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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 28, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
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Welcome to Punt Rd, Noah :).
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Noah Cumberland
medium utility
Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies.
Height 183cm
Weight 79kg
Birthday: March 15, 2001
DRAFT ANALYSIS: “Aggressive both with and without the ball, Cumberland is a midfielder/forward with a terrific mix of inside and outside traits.”
BRISBANE Lions Academy product Noah Cumberland showed great improvement this year at both Under-18 and senior level to throw his name into the hat as a potential top 40 pick. Originally a pressure forward, Cumberland has grown to have an impact up the field and excelled for the Allies during the National Carnival – crowned by his 18 disposals and two goals against South Australia. Cumberland’s impact also extends beyond the common stat line, with his defensive pressure, aggression around the ball and fend-offs all things which catch the eye of close watchers. The one-percenters helped Cumberland fit the mould of a role player, but his extended damage with ball in hand made him much more than that as the year progressed. His five-game experience against mature bodies in the Lions’ premiership-winning NEAFL side also bodes well, with Cumberland finding the goals in three of those outings. While the Lions will be happy to have produced another promising academy member, they may find themselves having to pay up in points come draft night.
STRENGTHS:
Agility
Speed
Footy smarts
Tackling/Aggression
Inside/outside mix
IMPROVEMENTS:
Accumulation
Kicking consistency
Cumberland’s National Draft Combine performance has propelled his value once again, finishing fifth in the 20m sprint (2.931 seconds) and eighth in the agility test (8.208 seconds). His speed shows on-field too as he breaks the lines on the outside and takes on his opponents at will. The agility aspect is more obvious in-close as Cumberland combines his power with being fleet of foot to bustle through congestion. Together, these elements make up much of the Maroochydore junior’s aggressive style of play, which is evident both with and without the ball. His willingness to take the game on and use his penetrating kick going forward is one aspect, while his bullocking style around the stoppages going both ways is the other. Cumberland’s average of almost five tackles per national carnival game is right up there, as is his ability to score in almost every outing and it gives him that desirable mix of inside and outside play.
While his effort and rate of improvement cannot be denied, there are still areas of improvement for such raw players, and especially ones who have spent time on the sidelines due to injury. Cumberland’s penetrating kick is definitely an asset – more than 50 per cent of his effective kicks are long – but it is those short, 45-degree kicks and overall lowering of the eyes that will make Cumberland a more complete forward mover. He is quite kick-happy and often does so on the end of bursting runs, so can become really damaging with some sharpening up, finishing the Academy Series with a 52.5 per cent kicking efficiency. The other area of improvement is building that consistency and finding the ball more often though, with Cumberland breaking the 10-disposal mark at NEAFL level just once – to his credit, in the Grand Final – and he has the potential to do so, as seen in his 26-disposal effort against Dandenong in the NAB League. He may well enter the elite level as a pressure forward, but has the scope to become an effective inside midfielder with some work.
https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/noah-cumberland/
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https://twitter.com/neaflofficial/status/1199984230463238145
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Welcome to Richmond, Noah Cumberland
richmondfc.com.au
Nov 28, 2019 8:31PM
Richmond has used its second selection (No. 43 overall) in the 2019 national draft to recruit left-footed forward, Noah Cumberland.
Here is a summary of what Richmond fans can expect to see from Noah on-field...
Club: Brisbane Lions Academy
Height: 183cm
Weight: 79kg
Noah was a member of the Brisbane Lions academy and had a breakout season after not competing at that level before this year. After his NAB league games he was selected and played all 4 games for the Allies before finishing his season with 5 games at senior NEAFL level including playing in the Lions premiership side. For the Lions he averaged 15 possessions and a goal a game and included 9 contested possessions, 4 clearances and 4 tackles per game. The highlight was a 26 possession game including 13 contested possessions against Dandenong when playing more of a midfield role.
His progress and improvement continued through the national carnival and he completed his carnival with a 18 possession and 2 goal game against SA playing a mix of half back and half forward. He averaged 7 contested possessions and 5 tackles per game across the carnival.
Noah has some exciting traits and is very early in his development clock having little exposure to the elite pathway before this year. He has elite speed and loves to tackle but also has some class with his penetrating left foot kick and goal sense. We look forward to him continuing to develop his football in our system in the coming years.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-11-28/2019-draft-second-selection
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VIDEO:
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2019-11-28/2019-afl-draft-pick-43-noah-cumberland
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as I said in the other thread the fact that Brisbane weren't prepared to match with 59 is a big concern.
not writing the two boys off as draft picks but if they were up to standard Fagan and co. wouldn't have let them go.
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Gotta trust the recruiters
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Doomed, we got a bigo and a huge O but this guy's a no oh.
I can see the tomatoes coming my way already.
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Just hope the recruiters didn't have Noah Dear..... :shh
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Nice reel also. Great foot and pace. No pansy either
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Speed and makes decent decisions. Plenty to work on
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PICS:
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https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/noah-cumberland/
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42. Noah CUMBERLAND
Clubs: Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies
Position: Medium Utility
Size: 183cm, 79kg
Bio: A Daniel Rich clone, the Brisbane Lions Academy member might be the first player from the Queensland state that receives a bid, with his dash across the ground catching the eye of club recruiters. He isn’t just a zippy player, with Cumberland able to impact the play in the contest and lay fierce tackles. Cumberland played a variety of roles across the year, but might be best on the wing where he can break the lines and boot the ball long inside 50.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-draft-prospects-players-player-profiles-matt-rowell-noah-anderson-draft-rankings/news-story/bb21ff89472da9320f744f531cec723a
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47. NOAH CUMBERLAND
183cm, 79kg, Allies/Brisbane Lions Academy, utility
Buckenara says: Cumberland is a Brisbane Lions Academy member who can play in a variety of positions but will be best suited as a rebound defender or outside midfielder at AFL level where he can use his speed to break the lines and kick the ball long inside 50 and be that 60-80m ball carrier.
Plays like: Daniel Rich
Stats: Disposals 11.0, clearances 2.3, tackles 4.5, pressure acts 17.0, goals 0.8, score involvements 2.5, ranking points 74
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/gary-buckenara/gary-buckenara-names-his-top-50-prospects-for-2019-afl-draft/news-story/83660db08be1e249f1f09b59a75b8a2b
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Richmond’s National Recruiting Manager Matthew Clarke on Cumberland:
Brisbane Lions Academy forward Noah Cumberland was our second selection, taken at pick 43. He had a breakout season which included playing in the Lions' premiership winning NEAFL side. What else made Noah stand out?
"Noah’s a really powerful player. He’s a really strong-bodied kid, he likes to crash in and tackle and that’s exactly what we like in our footballers. He’s got some real skill too to kick some goals. So, we can see him playing as a forward and hopefully in time will go through the midfield."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-11-29/afl-draft-recap
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AFL draft pick keen to show Lions what they missed out on
Sunshine Coast Daily
30 November 2019
The Buderim 18-year-old was selected with the 43rd pick in the AFL Draft on Thursday night, sparking celebrations from the Maroochydore Roos product and his supporters.
"It's absolutely unreal," he said.
"I just saw my name on the screen and jumped up.
"I had a bit of a tear in my eye and it couldn't have been any better, being among family and friends.
"I've always had that dream of being a professional footy player and that dream has come true, so I'm looking forward to it."
An explosive runner with a damaging left foot kick, Cumberland is determined to make the most of the opportunity.
"I'm looking forward to getting down there (Melbourne) and just getting stuck in, getting myself fit and to have a crack next year and to meet all the players," he said.
"The goal is to train my butt off and be the best I can through pre-season and hopefully show the coaches what I'm made of and hopefully they select me, and I can go through the (pre-season) JLT Cup and get a senior gig.
"That's my dream for next year.
"I've been picked as a professional footy player so if I can better that by playing a senior game next year, there would be nothing better."
The midfielder/forward said his time at the Brisbane Lions Academy helped pave the way for his entry into the elite.
And the Lions had the chance to secure his services by matching the Tigers' bid at the AFL Draft, but they opted out.
Cumberland said "it's not a big issue" but also said it could come back to bite his former club.
"I'm very excited to go to Tigerland and at the end of the day I'm going to have to show them (the Lions) what they missed out on."
Cumberland started playing at the Roos in under-10s after moving from Victoria.
The Mountain Creek High product played in the Roos' senior team in the southeast Queensland Division 1 competition for the past two years, featuring in grand final-winning and losing teams.
Cumberland played for the Lions Academy during their premiership-winning NEAFL campaign, including the grand final.
He also impressed for the Allies (Queensland, NSW, ACT, NT and Tasmania) at the national under-18 championships, which earned him an invitation to the Draft Combine.
It was at the annual test among 79 prospects at Melbourne in October where he placed fifth in the 20m sprint (2.93sec) and eighth in agility (8.20sec).
His parents Jason and Jess have shared his journey to the AFL.
And dad's a renowned Collingwood fan but it seems he's had a change of loyalty of late, according to Noah.
"He's put on his yellow and black. He's switched. He's a Tiger," he said.
https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/teen-presses-for-game-time-after-becoming-a-tiger/3890938/
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Good attitude. Thats a start.
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Yeah. Stick it right up them! MFs
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A mate of mine knows this kid and his dad and says they are both as mad as cut snakes.
I like the sound of that.
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https://twitter.com/championdata
Cumberland in to replace Towner according to Champion Data.
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/540344/cumberland-finds-his-way-back-to-melbourne?videoId=540344&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1575918000001&tagNames=afl&viewCountWindowSeconds=604800 (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/540344/cumberland-finds-his-way-back-to-melbourne?videoId=540344&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1575918000001&tagNames=afl&viewCountWindowSeconds=604800)
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The speedy left-footer is renowned for his tackling pressure and considers his contested ball-winning ability a feature of his game.
“It would be one of my best traits, winning my own ball, and that’s what I (pride) myself on,” Cumberland said.
Cumberland is confident his experience playing against bigger bodies in the NEAFL will hold him in good stead throughout his maiden season at Richmond.
“Playing with those boys and that level of footy with grown men, it makes you fit and that’s where you play your best footy,” he said.
With his first week at Tigerland now under his belt, Cumberland described his time so far in the Yellow and Black as “absolutely unreal”.
It was an action-packed opening week for Richmond’s five draftees, who took to the training track with their new teammates and enjoyed a hike in the Grampians with Tigers Jayden Short, Kamdyn McIntosh and Nick Vlastuin.
“(The hike was) really enjoyable, we got to know those three and (they) opened up (on being) a Richmond Man,” Cumberland said.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/540829/persistence-pays-off-for-cumberland
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If he turns out ti be a quicker, more versatile version of Townsend, he'll be quite the handy player... :shh
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A bit like Stewy Maxfield?
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AFL player manager Tim Hazell has issued updates on a host of unsigned players who are clients of Vivid Sport Management.
Speaking on AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Afternoons, Hazell gave the latest on the contractual situations of Collingwood’s Josh Thomas, Richmond’s Noah Cumberland and St Kilda pair Jack Lonie and Paul Hunter.
Noah Cumberland (Richmond)
“Tim Batty looks after Noah and Tim’s having constant conversations with Blair (Hartley) and the Richmond footy club.
“Noah’s been really impressive in the back-half of this year. We hope that he gets another opportunity at Richmond.
“We’d like to think there’s going to be an opportunity there, other clubs have inquired, but we’re just trying to keep dialogue open with Richmond to see where that lands over the next week.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/07/manager-gives-the-latest-on-unsigned-saints-magpie-tiger-and-giants-veteran/
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* Unlucky not to get a game last year. He's still uncontracted so we've just got to sit that one through trade (period).
- Blair Hartley.
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-draft-pool.1252517/page-245#post-72944269
:huh
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https://www.instagram.com/noah.cumberland/
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https://www.instagram.com/noah.cumberland/?hl=en
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"His speed and his contest work are his biggest strengths."
(https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f3a5.png) Xavier Clarke provides an update on Noah Cumberland's pre-season.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1497755866690428929
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Good on you young man !!!
Two early goals , awesome
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Hopefully he kicks 6
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Looks like Kane Pettifer
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Looks like Kane Pettifer
Nailed it. Was wondering who he reminds me of haha. It's quite uncanny.
Anyway could have had 4-5 goals by now. Some bad misses.
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Brust if Hawthorn , got uncanny knack without the daggy haircut
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2 goals in the first quarter was pleasing but like our other small forwards kicked 3 costly behinds. Debut game so I'll give him some slack.
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Should have kicked atleast 1 more. Did more than expected as the sub.
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Tom's strain is Noah's gain
Losing power forward Tom Lynch to a hamstring strain midway through the first quarter was not a great start for the Tigers. However, it did unleash Noah Cumberland into an unlikely role of medi-sub hero. Cumberland, the former Brisbane Academy product taken in the 2019 NAB AFL Draft was playing just his second game – he was the unused sub in his official debut against Sydney in round 11 - and quickly pocketed two goals. The 21-year-old was a handful in the forward line finishing with 2.3.
Source: AFL website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1168391/tigers-go-down-to-suns-after-the-siren).
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For me he is another who just lacks polish footskills and in a way exacerbates problems we have.
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For me he is another who just lacks polish footskills and in a way exacerbates problems we have.
Agree
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Interesting who was a better small forward for Richmond than Cumberland today
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Interesting who was a better small forward for Richmond than Cumberland today
Thought he was OK but like a few others did some selfish things that proved costly
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Interesting who was a better small forward for Richmond than Cumberland today
Thought hecwas OK but like a few others did some selfish things that proved costly
Still doesn’t play team first footy. Not a fan.
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Always been his issue
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Cumberland's stats:
10 disposals (9k, 1h, 6c, 3u, 40% eff.)
2 marks (1 contested mark)
1 tackle
1 inside 50
191 metres gained
5 score involvements
2 goals
3 behinds
71% time on ground
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Gonna sound like a Grinch but I was only half pleased that he managed to get into the right spots.
5 gettable goals and he managed 2.3 crap like this cost us the game
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Unfortunately he cant do a townsend. Did really little after quarter time. I dont think hes a quality AFL player he'll be a fringe player, play for 2 or 3 clubs rack up 70 or 80 games and tben play at the lower levels.
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Iii bite, who would kick more goals as a small forward for Richmond.
Could have kicked another but 2 of the shots were on the boundary , so a stretch
He has been told not to pass it if he is in range as they rate his acuratcy so I don’t know what he is meant do . He has earned the next couple of games imo.
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Iii bite, who would kick more goals as a small forward for Richmond.
Could have kicked another but 2 of the shots were on the boundary , so a stretch
He has been told not to pass it if he is in range as they rate his acuratcy so I don’t know what he is meant do . He has earned the next couple of games imo.
Not sure about the last line. Team first and if he can't do that- bye bye...
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I can’t see the non team things he does, he chases, tackles , passes, gives a shepherd and spoils.
From all the games I’ve watched I can’t see the selfish acts unless you want him to pass to players like George who has 3 players on him . He is likely being critisised for not handballing over the top in the square so I’m not buying it.
The club thinks he played a good game for the 3 quarter he was on so he will being picked at least for next week.
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For completeness, here is Noah.
From 6 shots --> 2 goals, 3 behinds.
Q1 8:05 to go
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Q1 26:39 min mark: From 25m out ran into an open GOAL!
Q1 28:49 min mark: From goalsquare ran into an open GOAL!
Q2 2:43 to go
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Q2 0:30 to go
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Q3 18:15 to go
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they obviously prefered his scoring output potential over Rioli's defense.
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they obviously prefered his scoring output potential over Rioli's defense.
Don't think that's the main reason
Very rarely do they drop debutants after 1 game. And despite being a medi sub previously and that counts as a game, he didn't play that week so really "debuted" last week. Was always going to hold his spot.
With Balta back I'd take Jnr's defensive pressure any day. Noah's defensive pressure last week was almost non existent
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they obviously prefered his scoring output potential over Rioli's defense.
Don't think that's the main reason
Very rarely do they drop debutants after 1 game. And despite being a medi sub previously and that counts as a game, he didn't play that week so really "debuted" last week. Was always going to hold his spot.
With Balta back I'd take Jnr's defensive pressure any day. Noah's defensive pressure last week was almost non existent
The fact is Cumberland had 2 pressure acts and 1 less tackle than George in his first game of afl footy to much made of his defensive workrate.
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Tend to agree , for his 1st game I thought he did well. If you look at 1st game of many of our current better players some may not have performed as well
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2nd game , was even better, one of two positives
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He was great.
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Just hope it's not a Dean Polo beginning.
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Could still kick better for goal but hard to complain after 5.7 in two games.
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Was reasonable
Which is a lot better than the majority
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Please, he was better than reasonable.
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Who do you want in the 22
Castagna and Aarts or
Cumberland and Sonsie
When in doubt always go for the kids. Theyre the future not vfl standard players.
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His mark, play on and kick to Aarts in the last minute was teriffic. Has the right attitude and backs himself. Young Caddy?
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I thought he was great. Has an issue with going missing a bit and accuracy but is a best 22 type player.
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Please, he was better than reasonable.
:thumbsup
Obviously he didn't do the little things some supporters crap on about when it comes to pumping up the likes of Mcintosh.
Kid was sensational. It was his 2nd game of AFL footy and he almost won it for us. Would have won it for us with that beautiful play at the end has Aarts just gone back for a set shot.
What did he kick? 3.4? Took a couple good grabs, hit up at the footy well, got to great spots. There is potential with him that some of our other smalls don't have
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Please, he was better than reasonable.
:thumbsup
Obviously he didn't do the little things some supporters crap on about when it comes to pumping up the likes of Mcintosh.
Clearly directed at me
He was reasonable and as I said that was alot better than the majority
He would have been in our best half dozen players.
But he missed sitters and his job today was to kick goals, game 2 or not.
He snags 2 of his misses we win.
Ditto Jack R
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Cmon WP. No matter which way you slice it, he was far better than reasonable.
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Cmon WP. No matter which way you slice it, he was far better than reasonable.
Sorry Willy but the only bloke out there today I thought was good was Tarrant, again 4 consistent qtrs
The next "best" were reasonable
The rest putrid
Just my opinion, I've got no issue with people disagreeing
But I sat there tonight in that hell hole of a ground and I'm disgusted and embarrassed with what was dished up
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Please, he was better than reasonable.
:thumbsup
Obviously he didn't do the little things some supporters crap on about when it comes to pumping up the likes of Mcintosh.
Clearly directed at me
He was reasonable and as I said that was alot better than the majority
He would have been in our best half dozen players.
But he missed sitters and his job today was to kick goals, game 2 or not.
He snags 2 of his misses we win.
Ditto Jack R
One of his misses was from a soccer attempt while being held, another from outside 50 that hit the post. I only remember one where if he had of had a little more composure, he'd have likely steadied and nailed it.
But hey, maybe that'll come with experience at the level.
If my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle. Yes, missing some chances hurt us but you're seriously hard on this kid and I've got no idea why. He is something to be happy about after his last 2 weeks
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Was good i thought. An upgrade on George but still needs to tidy up his disposal.
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Lol, second game player who as a forward gets 14 possessions and is our top scorer for the day , must be the new whipping boy if his game was just reasonable
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Gee it doesn't pay to have an opinion does it?
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Gee it doesn't pay to have an opinion does it?
Not when it’s wrong
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:lol
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Gee it doesn't pay to have an opinion does it?
Not when it’s wrong
Here's the thing
People are allowed to have opinions
Others don't have to agree
You say my opinion is wrong but that's only your opinion. But unlike you I am not going to say you are wrong.
You or anyone doesn't agree with mine as I said I have no issue with that
We simply don't agree, we move on
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We all think you're wrong though
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We all think you're wrong though
Yeah, that's yours and others opinion, got no issue with it. We don't agree, it's not the first time, won't be the last
What I find interesting is that I made it clear twice I thought he was in our best half a dozen players today
But just because I said he was reasonable not good then everyone thinks I'm being unfair
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We all think you're wrong though
Yeah, that's yours and others opinion, got no issue with it. We don't agree, it's not the first time, won't be the last
What I find interesting is that I made it clear twice I thought he was in our best half a dozen players today
But just because I said he was reasonable not good then everyone thinks I'm being unfair
It’s no biggie either way WP, I’m just gobsmacked that you would label a game like that from a second game small forward “reasonable”
How many goals does a small forward need to have a “good” game?..
You are aware that 3 goals is well above what even the best small forwards average?…
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Should have been in the side a long time ago instead playing duds.
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We all think you're wrong though
Yeah, that's yours and others opinion, got no issue with it. We don't agree, it's not the first time, won't be the last
What I find interesting is that I made it clear twice I thought he was in our best half a dozen players today
But just because I said he was reasonable not good then everyone thinks I'm being unfair
So who were the other 4, assuming cotch and Cumberland are the other 2?
Edwards, Aarts maybe
Whole place is embarrassing at present, but those 2 have been a positive. How cotch is not captian beggars believe when you see Pendlebury and Selwood continue on their merrry way.
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Cumberland's stats:
14 disposals (10k, 4h, 9c, 5u, 57.1% eff.)
4 marks ( 1 contested mark )
4 tackles ( 2 In50 tackles )
2 clearances
7 inside 50s
1 intercepts
345 metres gained
11 score involvements
3 goals
4 behinds
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So who were the other 4, assuming cotch and Cumberland are the other 2?
Edwards, Aarts maybe
Whole place is embarrassing at present, but those 2 have been a positive. How cotch is not captian beggars believe when you see Pendlebury and Selwood continue on their merrry way.
Can always count on you Frankie to resort to belittling even subtly
But seeing you asked
Good = Tarrant, Cotchin, Sonsie
Reasonable = Cumberland, Prestia (just), Graham (just)
Oh if you bothered to look I've said in the Changes for next week thread to both Edwards and Aarts should be dropped
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LMFAO dare to have a differing opinion and all hell usually breaks lose from supporters who are quite frankly sheep with most topics.That goes for supporters not just on this site but everywhere.
Was it Mark Twain who wrote, When you find yourself siding with the majority its time to take time to pause and reflect, or something like that.
Today im going to be a sheep and agree with the majority i thought he was good but that does not mean i dont have issues with parts of his
game.
Im sure that is what WP is really saying.
For me i really hope he can polish up his disposal as we have all seen in recent weeks just how damaging and hurtful poor disposal can be.
As a fwd he will have plenty of weeks where he will struggle to get a sniff and to have an impact he will need to make the most of every opportunity he gets.
Atm a massive upgrade on Castagana Aarts and even Junior as far as offensive impact goes.
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Coaches votes: (Hardwick & Adams)
North Melbourne v Richmond
10 Cameron Zurhaar (NMFC)
8 Jy Simpkin (NMFC)
3 Luke Davies-Uniacke (NMFC)
3 Noah Cumberland (RICH)
3 Dion Prestia (RICH)
2 Robbie Tarrant (RICH)
1 Bailey Scott (NMFC)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/802680/coaches-votes-r18-dees-star-closes-gap-at-top-as-seven-players-earn-perfect-10
:shh
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THE UNDROPPABLES: WHO IS A LOCK TO PLAY IN ROUND 19?
Andrew Slevison
SEN
20 July 2022
Noah Cumberland (Richmond)
It might have been a game to forget for Richmond, but the performance of Noah Cumberland should not be overlooked.
The 21-year-old forward was playing just his second AFL game (not including the one spent as a medi-sub) and produced a handy return on the scoreboard of 3.4.
Yes, he was a little inefficient in front of goal, however, he managed seven scoring shots in a game at AFL level which isn’t easy to do.
Cumberland also gathered 14 disposals, had 11 score involvements (second only to Jack Riewoldt’s 12), an equal team-high seven inside 50s and four tackles, attracting three coaches votes for his troubles.
He’s a lock for Fremantle on Friday night.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/20/the-undroppables-who-is-a-lock-to-play-in-round-19/
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Did siren go as Cumberland marked?
After the ball had sat on the Tigers’ goal line for two minutes, the Dockers looked to clear but Marlion Pickett won the ball and hit a leading Cumberland on the chest. It was unclear whether the siren went as the kick was in the air or after he marked but he was going to be paid the mark. However Cumberland thought he was on the edge of his range and played on rather than kicking a set shot for goal with the Tigers only needing a behind to win. The youngster had been excellent but just made the instinctive decision that didn’t work out. It comes a week after Jake Aarts played on late in the game against North Melbourne and Jason Castagna had his kick smothered in the week before when trying to seal the game against the Suns.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-and-fremantle-draw-after-tiger-lapse-20220722-p5b3v4.html)
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Just as it seemed unlikely either team would be able to score again before the final siren, the Tigers had one final surge left in them, with Marlion Pickett bursting away from a stoppage on the wing and delivering a beautiful kick to teammate Noah Cumberland inside 50.
Cumberland, a thumping long kick, marked seemingly one to two seconds before the siren but, remarkably, played on. The siren then sounded before Cumberland had got his kick away, thus the game ended in a draw.
With his head in his hands, a distraught Cumberland sank to his knees and put his head in his hands before being comforted by Tigers teammates as fans around Marvel Stadium were left bereft.
“You could see Jack Riewoldt in the back saying ‘hold, hold hold’,” St Kilda champion Nick Riewoldt told Fox Footy. “It’s hard to get a message out in that moment to say ‘there’s only 10 or 12 seconds left’, particularly when the ball’s on the other side of the ground.”
Triple premiership Lion Jonathan Brown added: “The problem is at Marvel Stadium, even if there’s 25,000 to 30,000, when the crowd gets loud you can’t hear each other out there. It feels like 70,000 or 80,000 at the MCG.
“The inexperience hurt him, but I feel sorry for that young fella.”
Tigers veteran Trent Cotchin said Cumberland and his teammates would learn a lesson from that moment.
“We didn’t know exactly how long (was left) and the clock can churn away pretty quickly,” he told Fox Footy post-game.
“We would’ve loved for Cummy to go back and have a shot, but we back our guys to make the right decision at the right time.
“We’ll learn another lesson, which is completely fine. It’s what we play footy for.”
Source: Foxsports. (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-fremantle-dockers-draw-result-noah-cumberland-play-on-before-siren-noah-balta-clock/news-story/b1a50523fd2b946ee5bb9a708bdba75a)
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Jack Riewoldt pledged the club would get around young Cumberland, after he was clearly devastated after the siren, stating “footy can be a real bi**h sometimes”.
“He won’t be defined by tonight,” he told ABC Radio.
“It’s the role of the leaders to get around him and make sure the sun comes up tomorrow for him.”
Source: Foxsports. (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/better-than-coming-back-next-week-extra-time-calls-grow-after-tigers-shot-themselves-in-the-foot/news-story/82be9d231501b29f5a97039755142199)
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Just as it seemed unlikely either team would be able to score again before the final siren, the Tigers had one final surge left in them, with Marlion Pickett bursting away from a stoppage on the wing and delivering a beautiful kick to teammate Noah Cumberland inside 50.
Cumberland, a thumping long kick, marked seemingly one to two seconds before the siren but, remarkably, played on. The siren then sounded before Cumberland had got his kick away, thus the game ended in a draw.
With his head in his hands, a distraught Cumberland sank to his knees and put his head in his hands before being comforted by Tigers teammates as fans around Marvel Stadium were left bereft.
“You could see Jack Riewoldt in the back saying ‘hold, hold hold’,” St Kilda champion Nick Riewoldt told Fox Footy. “It’s hard to get a message out in that moment to say ‘there’s only 10 or 12 seconds left’, particularly when the ball’s on the other side of the ground.”
Triple premiership Lion Jonathan Brown added: “The problem is at Marvel Stadium, even if there’s 25,000 to 30,000, when the crowd gets loud you can’t hear each other out there. It feels like 70,000 or 80,000 at the MCG.
“The inexperience hurt him, but I feel sorry for that young fella.”
Tigers veteran Trent Cotchin said Cumberland and his teammates would learn a lesson from that moment.
“We didn’t know exactly how long (was left) and the clock can churn away pretty quickly,” he told Fox Footy post-game.
“We would’ve loved for Cummy to go back and have a shot, but we back our guys to make the right decision at the right time.
“We’ll learn another lesson, which is completely fine. It’s what we play footy for.”
Source: Foxsports. (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-fremantle-dockers-draw-result-noah-cumberland-play-on-before-siren-noah-balta-clock/news-story/b1a50523fd2b946ee5bb9a708bdba75a)
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Jack Riewoldt pledged the club would get around young Cumberland, after he was clearly devastated after the siren, stating “footy can be a real bi**h sometimes”.
“He won’t be defined by tonight,” he told ABC Radio.
“It’s the role of the leaders to get around him and make sure the sun comes up tomorrow for him.”
Source: Foxsports. (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/better-than-coming-back-next-week-extra-time-calls-grow-after-tigers-shot-themselves-in-the-foot/news-story/82be9d231501b29f5a97039755142199)
Yeah Jack the sitters you missed 2 weeks in row :banghead.
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I dount blame either Noah for the loss.
Yes he should have gone back and had a shot. He would have either won us the game or it was a draw. He will learn from that.
I thought he was much better this week than last week. More consistent
His 1st half was brilliant. A bit quieter in the 2nd half but busted a gut with his defensive pressure. Really would love to see him and MJR working together at AFL level. That is something to look forward to
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I dount blame either Noah for the loss.
Yes he should have gone back and had a shot. He would have either won us the game or it was a draw. He will learn from that.
I thought he was much better this week than last week. More consistent
His 1st half was brilliant. A bit quieter in the 2nd half but busted a gut with his defensive pressure. Really would love to see him and MJR working together at AFL level. That is something to look forward to
Agreed- I was initially critical of his game as he was playing selfish footy. The more I see of him in the firsts, the more I like. We might have found a player here :shh
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I just wish reporters would report correctly he marked the ball just outside 50 and not knowing the time left played on to make sure he could get the distance.
Totally unlike the Aarts one who was just 30 out and had the distance in him easily.
If we are to have a go at anyone it should be the Balta one. there really is no excuse to go past the allotted 30 seconds you could hear the ump telling him and you could hear the the two peeps on the whistle that tells a player to move straight away.
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I just wish reporters would report correctly he marked the ball just outside 50 and not knowing the time left played on to make sure he could get the distance.
Totally unlike the Aarts one who was just 30 out and had the distance in him easily.
If we are to have a go at anyone it should be the Balta one. there really is no excuse to go past the allotted 30 seconds you could hear the ump telling him and you could hear the the two peeps on the whistle that tells a player to move straight away.
Not being critical of the guy, he was really good last night, but he's got that distance in his left peg, and more, and he knows it. He had two shots from outside 50 earlier in the game and kicked them over the fence. Let's just call a spade a spade - it was a total brain fade.
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I just wish reporters would report correctly he marked the ball just outside 50 and not knowing the time left played on to make sure he could get the distance.
Totally unlike the Aarts one who was just 30 out and had the distance in him easily.
If we are to have a go at anyone it should be the Balta one. there really is no excuse to go past the allotted 30 seconds you could hear the ump telling him and you could hear the the two peeps on the whistle that tells a player to move straight away.
Not being critical of the guy, he was really good last night, but he's got that distance in his left peg, and more, and he knows it. He had two shots from outside 50 earlier in the game and kicked them over the fence. Let's just call a spade a spade - it was a total brain fade.
True. But maybe he was knackered and couldn't maintain the distance after four quarters. He probably would have kicked from 50-55 after 120 minutes of football in those legs.
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I just wish reporters would report correctly he marked the ball just outside 50 and not knowing the time left played on to make sure he could get the distance.
Totally unlike the Aarts one who was just 30 out and had the distance in him easily.
If we are to have a go at anyone it should be the Balta one. there really is no excuse to go past the allotted 30 seconds you could hear the ump telling him and you could hear the the two peeps on the whistle that tells a player to move straight away.
Not being critical of the guy, he was really good last night, but he's got that distance in his left peg, and more, and he knows it. He had two shots from outside 50 earlier in the game and kicked them over the fence. Let's just call a spade a spade - it was a total brain fade.
Disagree he marked at about 52 and would have had at least a 55 plus kick. his two shots at goal were both inside 50 i dont know too many players who would not want to get a bit closer to ensure they reach.
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3 more seconds and he kicks a score on the run on the siren to win the game. In some ways it's just cruel bad luck.
(My favourite goal on the siren is Matty Rogers vs North Melbourne at quarter time, round 4 1995.)
"Close to siren time. Kellaway gets the handpass away--this could be the last kick of the quarter--SIREN--it could be a goal to Rogers!"
"Ho-hoh!!"
"Right on siren time, it's quarter time, in one of the most extraordinary quarters we've seen for a long long time! Richmond, you are getting a standing ovation!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fst0PFGDq3I
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I am an enormous fan of Cumberland, I really think he's got a bit of Stringer type to his game but bigger and less criminal.
I am however critical of either his development or application. He may have been trying to pass the ball off and didn't think he had the range, he may have been having a shot but wanted a bit of momentum to get the legs. Its just awful bad luck. Siren goes 1 sec earlier, and he gets the luxury of certainty. 1 second later we get to see the decision of having a shot or a pass. Either would have been fine in circumstance, as only he knows whether he had the journey.
Balta, a bit the same, he took his 30, so so so often players wind down all 30 seconds and start walking in, he did that but the Freo players I thought were half a second early. The right call of play on was made but the Freo guys did go early and made the decision up for the ump who didn't challenge it.
I think whilst both players will be criticised by some, I think the development and teaching of both players has to as well. How do we get 2 marks within range in the last minute and not manage to have a shot on goal is comical. A leader should have been next to Balta telling him how long he has. They had 5 Freo players ready to pounce. We didn't have anyone switched on.
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3 more seconds and he kicks a score on the run on the siren to win the game. In some ways it's just cruel bad luck.
Nup
Watch it again .. was going to be tackled instantly
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3 more seconds and he kicks a score on the run on the siren to win the game. In some ways it's just cruel bad luck.
Nup
Watch it again .. was going to be tackled instantly
True. Matty Knights could have squeezed it from there though. :)
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I just wish reporters would report correctly he marked the ball just outside 50 and not knowing the time left played on to make sure he could get the distance.
Totally unlike the Aarts one who was just 30 out and had the distance in him easily.
If we are to have a go at anyone it should be the Balta one. there really is no excuse to go past the allotted 30 seconds you could hear the ump telling him and you could hear the the two peeps on the whistle that tells a player to move straight away.
Not being critical of the guy, he was really good last night, but he's got that distance in his left peg, and more, and he knows it. He had two shots from outside 50 earlier in the game and kicked them over the fence. Let's just call a spade a spade - it was a total brain fade.
Disagree he marked at about 52 and would have had at least a 55 plus kick. his two shots at goal were both inside 50 i dont know too many players who would not want to get a bit closer to ensure they reach.
Sorry Claw but 50 or 55 metres out he could make the distance. He can clear 60 easily
As I posted earlier
He goes back and kicks a score we win, he doesn't and it's a draw...he will learn
Think they all will
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So why didn’t the message get to him that there was only 3 sec to go?
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So why didn’t the message get to him that there was only 3 sec to go?
How would this happen? impossible to get a message in those circumstances. Jack was right next to him yelling to take the shot, momentum and not being able to hear Jack was the problem.
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Maybe he could get the distance, maybe he couldn’t and it seems he felt that way as well which is why he played on. Very unfortunate and unlucky. Back in the day there could have been runners close by to be giving the players messages but the AFL had enough of that.
Think people need to factor in that is was a 55-60m kick at the very end of a slugfest, with the added pressure of potentially being to win the game, after the siren which would have had 4-5 dockers players waving their arms near the mark and the other 17-18 on the line to punch it away. I wouldn’t have been too surprised if he didn’t register a point if he did go back and take the set shot.
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Can't help but think this was inexperience in game sense. Our team is suffering from a lot of young players doing the wrong thing at the wrong time purely due to experience. Even the smothered shot on goal from Balta was inexperience. Balta has played 57 games but only about 15 to 20 as a forward I'd guess. A more experienced forward would know his routine timing better.
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I can’t agree that that’s inexperience. He’s a defender he sees forward taking shots for goal all the time and the umpire counting them down.
+ there’s a big countdown timer on the scoreboard right in front of him. All he had to do was take 1 step forward and that would be it.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYU7R6maIAAViGy?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1550710832606355456
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Think this guy has been great. Between him, Clarke and MRJ I think we can comfortably never play Aarts and Castagna again.
Should play all 3 some day and see how they go locking the ball in our F50.
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Think this guy has been great. Between him, Clarke and MRJ I think we can comfortably never play Aarts and Castagna again.
Should play all 3 some day and see how they go locking the ball in our F50.
I feel like Cumberland is already a bloody good player (beyond his years), whereas Clarke looked skinny and young to me. Just some right place, right time goals. Not saying I didn't like him or don't rate him, just I think there's a gap between MRJ and Cumberland on the one hand and Clarke on the other.
But yeah, it would be cool to see them as the two smalls and medium forward.
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Think this guy has been great. Between him, Clarke and MRJ I think we can comfortably never play Aarts and Castagna again.
Should play all 3 some day and see how they go locking the ball in our F50.
I feel like Cumberland is already a bloody good player (beyond his years), whereas Clarke looked skinny and young to me. Just some right place, right time goals. Not saying I didn't like him or don't rate him, just I think there's a gap between MRJ and Cumberland on the one hand and Clarke on the other.
But yeah, it would be cool to see them as the two smalls and medium forward.
Clarke been in the system one year , but I reckon he oozes class and makes the game look slow.
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Think this guy has been great. Between him, Clarke and MRJ I think we can comfortably never play Aarts and Castagna again.
Should play all 3 some day and see how they go locking the ball in our F50.
I feel like Cumberland is already a bloody good player (beyond his years), whereas Clarke looked skinny and young to me. Just some right place, right time goals. Not saying I didn't like him or don't rate him, just I think there's a gap between MRJ and Cumberland on the one hand and Clarke on the other.
But yeah, it would be cool to see them as the two smalls and medium forward.
Clarke been in the system one year , but I reckon he oozes class and makes the game look slow.
Would be nice if Bauer turned into a decent mid forward and if we could get someone like Fogarty maybe.
Clarke Lynch Rioli
Cumberland Fogarty Bauer
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‘52 Apiece - Trent and Noah’. My drawing from the @Richmond_FC and @freodockers draw on Friday. The great Tiger leader @tcotchin9 in game number 282 consoles Noah Cumberland in game number 4. Again inspired by the photography of @MichaelCWillson
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYZTuoGaUAADhmt?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/CamSchwab/status/1551019189108097025
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Great drawing. Yet again sublime and instinctive leadership from Cotch. Love him.
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The more I think about it. If we limp Edwards to 300. We get Cotch there next year. Even if he's the sub every game.
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BREAKOUT FORWARD TRACKING TOWARDS NEW DEAL
Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
28 July 2022
RICHMOND is in talks to tie down a deal for breakout forward Noah Cumberland.
The exciting youngster has enjoyed an encouraging stretch since making his on-field debut as a medical substitute earlier this month, kicking six goals from his first three games to provide a new element in the side's developing attack.
All signs now point to the 21-year-old Cumberland remaining at Punt Road on a multi-year deal, having initially extended his stay with the Tigers courtesy of a one-year deal signed last season.
Cumberland was a member of the Brisbane Lions Academy, though the club opted not to match Richmond's bids on both he and fellow member Will Martyn with consecutive selections at pick No.43 and 44 during the 2019 NAB AFL Draft.
The dynamic 183cm forward has since developed nicely at VFL level throughout his first three seasons with the Tigers, before making his senior debut as an unused medical substitute during a round seven loss to Sydney.
He has subsequently kicked bags of two goals and three behinds against Gold Coast and three goals and four behinds against North Melbourne, before adding one major in another influential display in last Friday night's draw with Fremantle.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/807529/out-of-contract-dogs-gun-weighs-up-future-in-form-bomber-opens-talks
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As you all would know and attest, I’m not wrong that often :shh :rollin
But on the very rare :shh occasion I’ve jumped the gun and said things prematurely, I’d like to say that I was absolutely wrong about this kid.
This kid knows how to kick goals.
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All this lack of pressure bs people we're moaning about should have been in the side months ago instead we went for Aarts and George :santa.
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GO CUMMY!!!!! He unfairly copped a lot of poo for his inexperience last week. It’s a real show of character that he has responded the way he did tonight. You can’t teach ticker and determination
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Kicking straight matters. Can't ask for more than 5 zip. Attacked the ball to create chances and took them all. Well done Noah. Likely rising star nomination you'd expect too.
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Love what he is producing this kid.
WP how good was his game? Average :lol
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Takes some big balls to bounce back like that.
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Wow a small forward who is an offensive threat. What a luxury!
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Love what he is producing this kid.
WP how good was his game? Average :lol
Nice bit of baiting, totally unnecessary
Up to half time I thought he along with Sonsie were our best. He kept us in the game
Not that it matters or anyone cares I have him in my top 3 and not for the 5 goals but his defensive efforts
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He was sensational.
Forget selfishness or defensive efforts etc even though he was fine but this kid can find the big sticks.
Classy!
I was calling for his delisting too so am eating humble pie. Club has given him a go and I have changed my mind.
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He was sensational.
Forget selfishness or defensive efforts etc even though he was fine but this kid can find the big sticks.
Classy!
I was calling for his delisting too so am eating humble pie. Club has given him a go and I have changed my mind.
I can relate to this
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BOG
KEEP US IN IT …
Should be the NAB Rising Star.
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So, why hasn’t this bloke been getting a crack up until now. Maybe it’s time to review our KPIs as they are clearly not a reliable measure when you look at the free passes Castagna and Aart and co have received week after week over the years. I’ll take scoreboard pressure over defensive pressure all day.
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Breakout Tiger’s teammate, coach pay tribute to ‘incredible’ response to AFL heartbreak
David Zita
Fox Sports
July 31st, 2022 9:40 pm
Cometh the moment, cometh the Cumberland.
It would’ve been incredibly easy for Noah Cumberland to stay down on himself after last week’s agonising ‘play on’ call saw him denied the chance to win the game after the siren for the Tigers.
Instead, the 21-year-old kicked a game-high five goals against the Brisbane Lions, helping to drag his team back from a 42-point deficit and catapult them back into finals contention.
“He was very flat on himself last week, but he didn‘t cost us the game, he probably kept us in it,” Richmond defender Nick Vlastuin told Fox Footy post-game.
“Today he wins us the game with those five goals. He keeps putting himself in those good positions to win the ball ... we’re a better team with him in it.”
Cumberland has now kicked 11 goals from his first five AFL games and looms as one of the great steals from the 2019 draft.
In a twist of irony, it was the Lions who could’ve snared Cumberland as an Academy product, but they instead opted not to match the Tigers’ bid at pick No.43.
Cumberland’s performance on Sunday may’ve been a surprise to some watching on, but not for those inside the club who know the tenacious youngster.
“He‘s a pretty carefree kind of guy. You hang s**t on him and he hangs s**t back on you,” Vlastuin said.
“We hung s**t on him a bit but with a good laugh because we knew he was going to take it well.
“You almost have to laugh about it instead of not talk about it at all. We got around him and he’s a good kid.”
His performance not only earned him the praise of his teammates, but also a glowing comparison from coach Damien Hardwick.
“That first goal I think he kicked when he ran through about three players, I thought he was Leigh Matthews there for a minute bursting through the pack,” he said wryly.
“I’ve got to give the kid credit, he has been incredible since he’s come in. He came in a little bit raw, he’s put the work in, he’s self-driven, he’s responsible for his own development and that to me is the mark of him as a player.”
Asked to expand on the improvement made by Cumberland, Hardwick added: “He was always a beast of a player, athletic traits, but probably like most Queensland kids a little bit slow in the general footy IQ stuff, but he has worked incredibly hard on that part of the game.”
“He‘s diligent, he’s got his notepad, he does the work, he watches tape and he just loves it.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-richmond-win-over-brisbane-lions-noah-cumberland-highlights-draw-against-fremantle-damien-hardwick-press-conference/news-story/84ca92e8544f038500eb26ce666b48d7
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On Fox Footy's First Crack show last night, Montagna mentioned that:
- It was Cumberland who kept Richmond in the game in the first half.
- Cumberland has had the 3rd most shots at goal in the AFL over the past month. Only behind Papley and Charlie Curnow.
- Cumberland is 7th in the AFL for scoreboard impact (shots + assists) despite playing just the 4 games. Only behind Papley, Curnow, Fritsch, Hawkins, Heeney and Walker. So he is in elite company.
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So, why hasn’t this bloke been getting a crack up until now. Maybe it’s time to review our KPIs as they are clearly not a reliable measure when you look at the free passes Castagna and Aart and co have received week after week over the years. I’ll take scoreboard pressure over defensive pressure all day.
Thankyou.
I’ve watched and read negative comments about this kid for years, yet saw him continually be in the scoring at vfl level. Instead what we saw is guys like George, Aarts and Ross receive the call up.time and time again.
Embarrassing a few people right now.
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Love what he is producing this kid.
WP how good was his game? Average :lol
Nice bit of baiting, totally unnecessary
Up to half time I thought he along with Sonsie were our best. He kept us in the game
Not that it matters or anyone cares I have him in my top 3 and not for the 5 goals but his defensive efforts
Thanks WP. You were on the verge of having a chop sticks x 2 moment but you are recovering well.
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:lol
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“LOVE WATCHING HIM PLAY”: FIVE-GOAL TIGER MAKES “INCREDIBLE” IMPACT
By Alex Zaia
SEN
1 August 2022
Noah Cumberland kicked a career-high five goals to help Richmond overturn a 42-point deficit to beat Brisbane at the MCG on Sunday.
In just his fifth game, the young Tiger kept his side in the contest with three first-half goals before adding two more majors in the second half.
Cumberland, selected with pick 43 in the 2019 National Draft, has made an immediate impression at senior level leading to high praise from his coach Damien Hardwick.
“He doesn’t get fazed by much, Noah,” Hardwick said post-game.
“I’ve got to give the kid credit - he’s been incredible since he’s come in.
“He came in a little bit raw, he’s put the work in, he’s self-driven, he’s responsible for his own development. That, to me, is the mark of him as a player.
“He’s put in a lot of work, a lot of hours to get to where he is today and reaping the benefits of it.
“He’s only going to get better which is the pleasing thing for us.”
Cumberland’s passion and booming left foot has caught the eye of Collingwood great Nathan Buckley.
“I love watching him play,” Buckley told SEN Breakfast.
“He’s played a handful of games … he kicked that goal from the top of the 50 and he was that excited. He was watching the big screen to see himself back on how he kicked it.
“He’s got passion, he’s got drive, he’s got an energy.
“When he put (Darcy) Gardiner under pressure and caused that turnover … you could see him out the back, he was punching the air.
“He’s a Richmond-type player, a Richmond-type forward who’s dangerous and can hit the scoreboard.”
Cumberland, 21, has kicked 11 goals so far in 2022.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/31/love-watching-him-play-five-goal-tiger-makes-incredible-impact/
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Rising star this week. Well done young fella, taking your chance with both hands :clapping
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Rising star this week. Well done young fella, taking your chance with both hands :clapping
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZD8L3-UIAA2eR7?format=png&name=small)
Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1187246/
:clapping
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Well done and well deserved Noah .
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Reminds me a bit of Caddy
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Def looks like him. Caddy had great grit in front of the sticks.
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IN CUMMY WE TRUST! You bloody ripper. You can’t beat a forward with natural killer instinct.
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I'm loving what I've seen so far, can't wait for more ... :clapping
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Vote here for Cumberland for Goal of the Week.
https://www.afl.com.au/goal-of-the-year
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“LOVE WATCHING HIM PLAY”: FIVE-GOAL TIGER MAKES “INCREDIBLE” IMPACT
By Alex Zaia
SEN
1 August 2022
Noah Cumberland kicked a career-high five goals to help Richmond overturn a 42-point deficit to beat Brisbane at the MCG on Sunday.
In just his fifth game, the young Tiger kept his side in the contest with three first-half goals before adding two more majors in the second half.
Cumberland, selected with pick 43 in the 2019 National Draft, has made an immediate impression at senior level leading to high praise from his coach Damien Hardwick.
“He doesn’t get fazed by much, Noah,” Hardwick said post-game.
“I’ve got to give the kid credit - he’s been incredible since he’s come in.
“He came in a little bit raw, he’s put the work in, he’s self-driven, he’s responsible for his own development. That, to me, is the mark of him as a player.
“He’s put in a lot of work, a lot of hours to get to where he is today and reaping the benefits of it.
“He’s only going to get better which is the pleasing thing for us.”
Cumberland’s passion and booming left foot has caught the eye of Collingwood great Nathan Buckley.
“I love watching him play,” Buckley told SEN Breakfast.
“He’s played a handful of games … he kicked that goal from the top of the 50 and he was that excited. He was watching the big screen to see himself back on how he kicked it.
“He’s got passion, he’s got drive, he’s got an energy.
“When he put (Darcy) Gardiner under pressure and caused that turnover … you could see him out the back, he was punching the air.
“He’s a Richmond-type player, a Richmond-type forward who’s dangerous and can hit the scoreboard.”
Cumberland, 21, has kicked 11 goals so far in 2022.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/31/love-watching-him-play-five-goal-tiger-makes-incredible-impact/
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1553685189687386112/video/1
Apologies if this was posted before.
Last 2 mins. As Buckley mentioned loved the Noah part here when Lynch took that mark.
We have found one here IMO.
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Watching the replay on sick-baby-duty and I just saw how he went after Berry a bit when Berry was trying to take down Bolton after his goal in the 3rd.
Love it. Bit of mongrel!
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Loved how pumped up he was after his defensive effort which lead to the lynch mark and goal in the last minute.
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Reminds me a bit of Caddy
Agree. Was thinking that as well. Developing a good goal sense.
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Reminds me a bit of Caddy
Agree. Was thinking that as well. Developing a good goal sense.
Except he is quick. Caddy was a bit of a plodder but Cumberland actually has quite good speed.
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Noah Cumberland interview on SEN with Dwayne Russell.
LISTEN: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1027900
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“THERE WAS A COUPLE DAYS OF GRIEVING”: CUMBERLAND’S TALKS THE 'PLAY ON' MOMENT
By Luke Stubbs
SEN
2 August 2022
Richmond youngster Noah Cumberland has provided some insight into the heartbreaking moment at the end of his side’s draw with Fremantle, where the forward played on after the siren.
Cumberland, who was named the Round 20 Rising Star, said he wishes he could have the moment back.
“I probably would have went back and had a bit of composure, went back and kick the goal. But in the time, in the moment, you’re thinking so quick," he told SEN's Dwayne's World.
“I’m a player that likes to play with speed and intent. That’s what I did, but I got a bit carried away and did it at the wrong time.”
Following the game against Fremantle, Cumberland described the change rooms as “quiet”, but they were happy enough to come away with a draw.
Following the result, Cumberland implied the club was very supportive with the whole situation and that their psychologist Samantha McLeod helped with the recovery.
The young forward responded, kicking five goals the next week and playing an important role in Richmond’s seven-point win against Brisbane at the MCG to keep their finals hopes alive.
After being a part of Brisbane’s academy, Cumberland was drafted by Richmond in 2019 and has played five games this season. He believes his early exposure to the senior team has helped him learn the system and helped him mature.
“You need to be brought into a professional environment pretty young to understand the developing progress and what you have to do,” he said.
Richmond is currently in talks to extend his contract, with Cumberland’s manager sorting out the details.
“I was lucky enough to get another year and I knew I had to pull my finger out and play some good footy. I was fortunate enough these past couple of months to play consistently, which is always good,” he said.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/02/there-was-a-couple-days-of-grieving-cumberlands-talks-the-play-on-moment/
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The fact Noah didn’t even know he got the name wrong is even funnier than the fact he called Robbo “Thommo” 😂 #AFL360
https://twitter.com/davvers605/status/1554416618574610433
:laugh:
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Two year extension signed!
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1194624/cumberland-re-signs
Richmond General Manager- Football Talent, Blair Hartley, said it had been great to see Cumberland’s hard work off-field translate into on-field performance.
“Noah has had to work through some adversity early in his career after suffering an ACL injury in his first year.
“He has worked hard on all aspects of his game and we are excited about his continual growth across the next two years and beyond.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1194596/emerging-trio-sign-richmond-extensions
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LOL. Cumberland said he didn't watch footy growing up and not until he came to the Club so he had to be introduced to Carey, Darcy and Watson.
Anyway, Noah mentioned Xavier Clarke has taught him an "odd" goalkicking technique that works for him so he's going to stick to it.
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What a gem. Keeps his feet at critical times.
18 snags in his first 8 games.
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Just looks a natural footballer. I know hindsight is 20-20 but you just wonder how it took him so long to get a game. I know some pointed to his often selfish play but I haven’t seen many signs of that at senior level.
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Just looks a natural footballer. I know hindsight is 20-20 but you just wonder how it took him so long to get a game. I know some pointed to his often selfish play but I haven’t seen many signs of that at senior level.
Yes and not only that but his defensive work looks great. Maybe they were genuine knocks that he's worked on?
Humble pie never tasted so good. I was ready to cull him.
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What a gem. Keeps his feet at critical times.
18 snags in his first 8 games.
and one of those games he was an unused sub. So it's really 18 from 7. What a gun
Agitates me seeing George lurking around the team still when we have MRJ and Cumberland killing it. We have found our small forwards for the long haul
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Elsewhere, there are plenty of positives. Noah Cumberland is key among them.
“When you find a player like this during a season, that‘s when you can really elevate,” Nathan Buckley told Fox Footy.
“We’ve gone from the old Richmond to the new Richmond throughout 2022 and Cumberland is one of those players who has come in and played an important role.
“(Jack) Ross has played one of his career-best halves. Cumberland keeps getting it done. His workrate, his pressure on the opposition and he just loves the moment, he seems to be a young kid that thrives with the big moments.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-bombers-stars-season-over-after-brutal-knock-leads-to-sub/news-story/d8baaa7ce86b5e9eb9cc304666f2eef4).
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It’s actually amazing to see a small forward be able
To execute basic skills and decision making. I don’t mean to poo on Castagna but it has been sorely
Missed
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another reasonable outing
:lol
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Just looks a natural footballer. I know hindsight is 20-20 but you just wonder how it took him so long to get a game. I know some pointed to his often selfish play but I haven’t seen many signs of that at senior level.
Probably had to be selfish because no-one else could kick a goal.
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another reasonable outing
:lol
You think?
I thought he was outstanding
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Has been a revelation since being promoted. His all round game has improved out of sight. Well done to him. Makes us a better team that's for sure.
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another reasonable outing
:lol
You think?
I thought he was outstanding
haha touché. Bit of humour from WP.
:gotigers
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another reasonable outing
:lol
You think?
I thought he was outstanding
haha touché. Bit of humour from WP.
:gotigers
:thumbsup
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Lloyd compared Cumberland to Hird. Saying he's a very hard match-up for opposition teams. He's a very good mark so you can't play a tall on him; and if you play a tall then he's too quick.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Faz--YqakAA18Xm?format=jpg&name=small) (https://www.afl.com.au/video/828942/shades-of-hird-richmond-s-newest-weapon)
https://www.afl.com.au/video/828942/shades-of-hird-richmond-s-newest-weapon
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I was so wrong about this kid. Looked at sea in the VFL and his skills by foot were deplorable.
I’m glad he’s proved me wrong and made his selection count.
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You're wrong about his skill level in the VFL too. Sounds like a judgement made after seeing him play one poor game.
At least you admit you had no idea though
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Think even watching a game might be a stretch…
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:shh
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Think even watching a game might be a stretch…
Actually have seen most on tv but I did watch a few live as well :thumbsup
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Cath Durkin on twitter reporting that Cumberland went down at training with a lower leg injury.
Club hopeful he will be ok for next week :pray
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Bloody hell. Hope it's minor otherwise we'll be seeing Castagna back in full force
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Castagna probably Nancy Kerriganed him
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Dusty up forward instead and Ross stays in?
this seems promising though:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-teams-week-1-finals-2022-team-whispers-elimination-and-qualifying-finals-injury-lists-changes-ins-and-outs-latest-news/news-story/5d12c2c851e0021b779b5dd64349e054
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Castagna probably Nancy Kerriganed him
Made me smile haha.
Twist:
Out - Cumberland
In - Dusty
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The training incident where Cumberland got hurt :(:
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https://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202022%20Training%20-%20Richmond%20250822
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During match simulation, Cumberland attempted to kick the ball but caught the leg of a smothering teammate.
The small forward was in pain and couldn't weight bear, requiring assistance to leave the ground.
Nankervis played down Cumberland's injury while the Tigers were confident he would be OK to face the Lions.
"I missed the last bit of training but I just spoke to him briefly and I think he should be alright," he said.
"We'll find out more this arvo but I think he should be right."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/829750/young-tiger-suffers-injury-scare-at-training-dusty-poised-for-return).
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SEN just said Cumberland will have scans.
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The club have since said Noah is fine, no stresses for him.
https://twitter.com/ReganHodge2/status/1562678090907922432
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Yeah channel 7 said in their report that he didn’t need scans
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it was shin on shin with Mansell, maybe some bruising only but they bloody hurt
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Noah another of the cubs who hopefully learns a lot from his debut season experiencing the rise in tempo and pressure of finals footy. He had his lowest impact for the year as far as the stats - ranked third lowest ahead of sub Edwards & Gibcus.
7 disposals (6k, 1h, 1c, 6u, 71.4% eff.)
2 marks
0 tackles
1 inside 50
2 intercepts
173 metres gained
4 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
69% time on ground
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Wasn't quite the same after he hurt his shoulder in the 2nd
Having said that, was like Gibcus over awed by the occasion
Will learn from it, must learn from it
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38. Noah Cumberland
Tough night to cap off a remarkable back-end to the season. Pounced on a loose Darcy Gardiner kick and snapped a goal to give Richmond the lead late in the second term. That was about it.
Foxsports rating: 2
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76
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Richmond’s national recruiting manager Matthew Clarke has taken great pride in the impact Noah Cumberland had at senior level for the Tigers during the second half of the 2022 season.
By the end of the season, the 21-year-old, left-foot, medium-sized forward had booted 19 goals and stamped himself as a hot prospect at the game’s highest level.
“He’d been doing it at VFL level for a bit of time . . . kicking his twos and threes (goals), but probably never having a huge breakout game,” Clarke said on the final episode for the year of the Club’s podcast Talking Tigers.
“It was really exciting to see and really pleasing for Noah.
“He’s been through a bit since he got here with a knee injury (an ACL) . . .
“He’s always been able to get himself fit and train and prepare, but he just needed that little opening.
“He got it and was able to run with it.
“It added a different sort of dynamic to the forward line.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1239990/clarke-commends-cumberland
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Every team’s 2023 breakout star
David Zita and Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
October 25th, 2022
RICHMOND
Noah Cumberland
Forcing your way into Richmond’s line up and holding that spot has been a tough feat for youngsters in years gone by. But Noah Cumberland showed plenty of class in his nine-game debut season (with one of those as the unused medi sub). After coming into the line up for Round 17, Cumberland held his own in an attack end featuring the likes of Jack Riewoldt and Tom Lynch. Coach Damien Hardwick even praised the 21-year-old as “Leigh Matthews” like, and labelled him “incredible” despite being “a little bit raw”. It’s clear Cumberland has the willingness to learn and work hard at his game, as he’s seen at the club with note-pad in hand. He looms as the likely long-term replacement for Riewoldt beyond 2023.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-preview-2023-every-clubs-breakout-star-contender-best-young-players-analysis-jye-amiss-max-holmes-jacob-van-rooyen/news-story/eebc322876ac0564df31c5e26c2b3196
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Replacement for Riewoldt?
Eh
He's a good 10cm shorter. Not exactly my idea of a key forward size.
Looks a player though, hope he goes to another level or at least maintains it next year.
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Check out Richmond ⭐️ Noah Cumberland training with us in preparations for his Pre season grind back at Tigerland.
#aflskills #afl #aflcoach #preseason #australianrulesfootball #kickingexperts #privatecoach #afldrills
Epic Music(842228) - Pavel
Watch here: https://www.tiktok.com/@enhancedfootball/video/7155759933345107202 (https://www.tiktok.com/@enhancedfootball/video/7155759933345107202)
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Great to see him working hard.
Sydney Stack take note
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Noah Cumberland lights up Richmond's forward line
Noah Cumberland had a meteoric rise in 2022. After making his debut, the dynamic forward kicked 19 goals in just 9 games (one of which he was an unused substitute).
Watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woNTvzAR2Ic
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Something about left footers, they look a million bucks kicking.
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Something about left footers, they look a million bucks kicking.
Stewie Maxfield
Mark Bayes
Darren Kappler
The real slam it on the foot left-footers are a treat to watch
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Love watching Tivendale and Bowden in full flight too.
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It is not unusual for a young player in his second year of seniors to fall off, but from what I saw Noah is primed and will not only avoid the second year blues but will catapult into another level. He looks focussed and ready to go.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm0iy-LaAAAXsfP?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/tiger_hype/status/1615986108835442688
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I really hope so. It's a big worry for any kid.
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Being picky here but while it will be his second year of seniors if they pick him its actually his third season in the system thus it would be hard to get the second year blues.
Just needs to keep working on his kicking because most other areas are pretty good.
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Being picky here but while it will be his second year of seniors if they pick him its actually his third season in the system thus it would be hard to get the second year blues.
Just needs to keep working on his kicking because most other areas are pretty good.
I think kicking is a strength myself. Especially in front of goal.
Good mark too.
Just need to make sure he didn't have a purple patch like Towner then go missing.
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His kicking is quality. Almost every possession of his was decent quality last season. Only game he didn't perform well in was the final but he wasn't horrible.
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His kicking is quality. Almost every possession of his was decent quality last season. Only game he didn't perform well in was the final but he wasn't horrible.
And he got injured which didn't help
Also reckon there's little chance of any let down. Why? Kid got told he was going to be delisted but at the last moment got a reprieve. He knows how fickle footy can be
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Yup, haven’t looked at the stats to back it up but he was a very reliable set shot and can launch the footy 50m+. We haven’t had a small forward who could execute that since Dan rioli was in his fwd peak.
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Great highlights.
Solid boy, doesn't mind crashing in, good set shot, and unselfish.
What's not to like?
If Lynch is healthy I love our forward line - Jnr, Noah, Jack, White Line Lynch, Dusty, & Shai
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I was a bit disappointed to see cumbo playing with reserve team only in P4-P6.
I’m hoping it’s just because he hasn’t been in full training and not because he’s fallen down the pecking order.
Was really impressed with him once he broke into the side last season and looked good yesterday too. Would be a lock to play round 1 for me, hoping the coaches agree.
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Looked great to me from what I could see.
A class above.
Sublime movement and skills.
Will be in the team guaranteed.
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Looked great to me from what I could see.
A class above.
Sublime movement and skills.
Will be in the team guaranteed.
Yep.
Looked like a bloke who was above the rest of the lads out there really, which is what we want to see given how well he finished last year. Always looked dangerous and confident...just looks like he can make something happen. The bit of play and that kick to set up Archie May's first goal was brilliant. Kids a stuffing gun.
Will be gutted if he gets shafted out of a spot
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Think we have three small forwards vyeing for a spot Rioli, Cumberland and Clarke Imo two of the three should play every week.
What will probably happen is when an injury hits Favorite son Castagna will play.
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22 today! Happy birthday, Noah (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f382.png)
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1635761381034323968
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Dimma post-game was asked about Tiger fans not understanding why Cumberland wasn't in the side. Dimma replied that pretty much Dusty now plays that same role.
Dimma added that we're trying to add other parts to Cumberland's game so he can play in the side. It's a situation where you take one step backwards to go two steps forward. Dimma added that Cumberland is an AFL level player as are Clarke, Ryan and Sonsie.
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lol at the response.
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Dimma post-game was asked about Tiger fans not understanding why Cumberland wasn't in the side. Dimma replied that pretty much Dusty now plays that same role.
Dimma added that we're trying to add other parts to Cumberland's game so he can play in the side. It's a situation where you take one step backwards to go two steps forward. Dimma added that Cumberland is an AFL level player as are Clarke, Ryan and Sonsie.
I actually don't buy that response from Dimma. I think the resting midfielders are taking Cumberland's spot, not Dusty or Bolton. I just think its easier to say Dusty because very few Richmond supporters would suggest that Cumberland is a better player than Dusty. But comparing Cumberland's offensive output to Cotchin or Mansell is much harder to explain away.
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Dimma post-game was asked about Tiger fans not understanding why Cumberland wasn't in the side. Dimma replied that pretty much Dusty now plays that same role.
Dimma added that we're trying to add other parts to Cumberland's game so he can play in the side. It's a situation where you take one step backwards to go two steps forward. Dimma added that Cumberland is an AFL level player as are Clarke, Ryan and Sonsie.
I actually don't buy that response from Dimma. I think the resting midfielders are taking Cumberland's spot, not Dusty or Bolton. I just think its easier to say Dusty because very few Richmond supporters would suggest that Cumberland is a better player than Dusty. But comparing Cumberland's offensive output to Cotchin or Mansell is much harder to explain away.
Agree again glad to see someone else gets it. Resting mids are taking Cumberlands spot and the reality is it does not have to be that way.
Imo he is doing this so he can continue to play the Grahams Shorts Ross's and a few others who i won't name.
In what land can we not play all of the following.
Rioli - Lynch - Ryan/Martin
Sonsie/Bolton - Riewoldt - Cumberland.
Who has to miss out in that scenario? It is not Martin and Bolton they will spend most of their time thru the midfield with stints in the fwd half regardless. Nope to play with that scenario others have to miss out and we all know who they are.
As for comparing Dusty and Cumberlands offensive output ie kicking goals then Cumberland is going at over two a game.Yep small sample size but the potential is mouthwatering.
Better to have both than just one i say.
They talk about polish then if thats the case Sonsie has to be played somewhere as well but again a favorite will have to miss out.
Personally i think there is absolutely no reason why we cannot go with the following team when all are fit. * denotes midfield rotations.
*# denotes mid/fwd rotations.
Vlastuin - Tarrant - Grimes
Rioli - Balta/Miller - Broad
Pickett* - Hopper* - McIntosh?*
Nankervis* - Martin*# - Prestia*
Sonsie*# - Lynch - Cumberland
Ryan*# - Riewoldt - Rioli
Taranto*# - Bolton *# - Cotchin* - Baker* - take your pick probably a hard runner who covers the ground well
We can all see who Hardwick is trying to protect in the above.
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Mind boggling that he wasn’t in the side for the first 2.5 games
The idea of AFL is to score goals
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Another footy department fail. Can we stop with this rubbish 'can't play the same player in the same side' crap.
The guy is our forwardline future. Play him.
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Whoever is keeping him out of the side should be punched in the head
Idgaf if he doesn't lay a tackle
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3 touches in 5 mins. 2 assists and 1 that would have been but probably should have had a shot. Don't tell me he doesn't bring in others.
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Can’t wait to read the tripe from a few people when they review his game
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He was fantastic when subbed on.
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He was fantastic when subbed on.
credit to you for admitting that
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10% chance I throw my toys outta the pram and don't watch next week if he's not selected. Looked a cut above and made a mockery of our forward line within 5 minutes.
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Get in contact with the chicken poo bloke if he gets dropped. Two loads worth on the steps
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Hopefully the stuffers realise if you kick more goals you win more games
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Has to play, when he plays he has to have a defender on him who only defends. Without a player like that, defense just triple teams on Lynch and we don't score. Need to get Lynch involved
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I would be embarrassed if I was one of those who said this bloke belongs in the VFL.
Said it from day one he can play and should play. Our forward entry is laughable and Junior bloody hell.. He was an embarrassment to himself tonight. Worst game I’ve ever seen a Rioli play.
Slow fat unfit call it why you like but he is not the answer.
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Think WP said it that his debut in AFL wasn't really warranted some players are just miles better in AFL than VFL. Many forwards are, sometimes playing VFL you have rubbish delivery and playing with guys you don't know well. Just pick him for gods sake.
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Has to play, when he plays he has to have a defender on him who only defends. Without a player like that, defense just triple teams on Lynch and we don't score. Need to get Lynch involved
you just worked that out eh.
Noah is a small medium im not sure about the connect a 200cm kpf has with him.
With just Lynch and Riewoldt who is almost redundant in the air the opposition just double team Lynchy with talls.
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He was great when he came on.
It was scary he could actually hit a target
Though a couple of times I wished he had been "selfish" and had a shot at goal rather than trying to pass it. Why because he would have nailed them
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He was great when he came on.
It was scary he could actually hit a target
Though a couple of times I wished he had been "selfish" and had a shot at goal rather than trying to pass it. Why because he would have nailed them
Maybe he's been told he's too selfish and that's why he's not playing lol
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SUPER-SUB INSPIRES TIGERS
Another tick for the tactical sub. Damien Hardwick’s decision to activate substitute Noah Cumberland proved an inspired move as he directly set up three Richmond scores with driving kicks inside 50, while Collingwood managed to cut off a fourth centring pass.
Cumberland has been a tad unfortunate not to play this season until Friday night, after being asked over summer to improve his defensive efforts, but his offensive explosion should ensure he is named next Thursday.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wayward-magpies-put-foot-down-to-overcome-tigers-20230331-p5cx7j.html).
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https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1641777450291187712
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Dimma is to stubborn simple as that like I said he was our best medium forward last year by a mile his got skill ,class and does the pressure stuff and we get this rubbish his competing with Martin. :banghead
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He was fantastic when subbed on.
He was good but I wouldn't say Fantastic. 7 posessions in a half a game when your the one with fresh legs is hardly fantastic. He certainly energized the Forward line when he came on which was what was needed.
That said I think he did enough for a game next week and given the weather last night should of probably been in for Ryan from the start. This is something that has happened quite a few times under Harwick, not sure what the reason is that they seem to not be prepared to make late changes give the weather.
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He still needs to pressure a tackle when he hasn’t got the ball and with his natural speed there is really no excuse unless he’s lazy.
A good comparison would be Baeu McCreery who has same role, size and speed.
I would say Cumberland is more dangerous around goal than McCreery but in defensive attributes Cumberland falls way way short of the standard.
If he’s willing to work hard I don’t think it’s beyond him but he must be prepared to work harder when the opposition has the ball.
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He was good but I wouldn't say Fantastic. 7 posessions in a half a game when your the one with fresh legs is hardly fantastic. He certainly energized the Forward line when he came on which was what was needed.
That said I think he did enough for a game next week and given the weather last night should of probably been in for Ryan from the start. This is something that has happened quite a few times under Harwick, not sure what the reason is that they seem to not be prepared to make late changes give the weather.
I don't think his game can be judged on possession
He gave the one thing in our F50 that the others except MRJ didn't and that was defensive pressure and an attack on the contest
I thought he was excellent
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Not sure people realise we kicked 1 goal in a half of footy and 5 minutes into the 3rd we have 13 points more on the board due to Cumberland brilliance
Kid is a stuffing jet
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Dimma and co clearly got this wrong.
He is AFL quality and we need him.
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THE FIRST SUB TO CHANGE THE GAME: RICHMOND “WILDCARD” HAS TO PLAY AFTER IGNITING TIGERS
Seb Mottram
SEN
1 April 2023
It wasn’t the Tigers’ night on Friday against Collingwood, but Damien Hardwick nailed his substitution call.
The Magpies were all over Richmond for most of the clash, particularly in the first half when heading into half-time leading scoring shots 13 to four. It amounted to only a 19-point lead off the back of some inaccurate kicking, but the Tigers were undoubtedly in trouble.
Enter Noah Cumberland.
The 22-year-old hadn’t played AFL this year after eight exciting games in 2022, but came on as Richmond’s sub after half-time and changed the game.
Gerard Whateley believes Cumberland’s use is the perfect prototype for the sub going forward.
“This is game 19 (of the 2023 season) and this is the first time I feel the sub has made a difference,” Whateley began on SEN’s Crunch Time.
“It was a tactical decision, they were clearly thinking about it in the last minutes of the second half, waited until half-time, and Noah Cumberland changed the tempo of the game in the first ten minutes of the third quarter.”
The Tigers gave Collingwood a fright when kicking the first three goals of the third quarter to narrow the margin to less than a kick before Craig McRae’s side proved too strong to record a 14-point win.
Cumberland came on for tall forward Samson Ryan in the slippery conditions and recorded seven possessions (five contested) and three inside 50s.
Hardwick has been reluctant to play Cumberland in the same team as Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton given their similar roles, but David King believes the “wildcard” simply has to play going forward.
“He is a player. He had a terrific back half of last season. He’s a bit of a wildcard, he finds the ball in really aggressive positions and he plays a style that if he has six or seven touches, they’re going on the scoreboard,” the dual-premiership Kangaroo said.
“I love those sort of players. To me, he’s a must play for Richmond. Their forward line can look a bit pedestrian at times… it’s come out a bit easy the last couple of weeks, so they need those spark players.
“I know we look at the magnets of Dusty, (Tom) Lynch, (Jack) Riewoldt and Bolton and we fall in love with them. But more often than not, you see Maurice Rioli putting pressure on and not a lot of others.
“I think they need a bit more youth in that forward half.”
Cumberland was taken with a second round pick in 2019 and averaged over two goals a game last year.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/01/the-first-sub-to-change-the-game-richmond-wildcard-has-to-play-after/
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Ffs even Seb can see it
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Ffs even Seb can see it
:lol :shh
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The Undroppable: Noah Cumberland
Many Tigers fans have been asking why Noah Cumberland wasn’t in the senior side for the opening two rounds.
He had kicked 19 goals in nine outings in 2022 and was seen by many as a regular in Hardwick’s 22, but has had to settle for VFL footy early this season.
Last Friday night, Cumberland made an immediate impact after he replaced Samson Ryan at half-time. His X-factor and energetic game style helped the Tigers get back into the contest and he possesses a genuine point of difference within the Richmond attack.
Cumberland simply must start against the Western Bulldogs in Round 4.
Source: SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/03/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-round-3/).
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If only Cumbo ran around like a headless chook, missed targets by hand and foot and cost us vital goals then he'd never be dropped.
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Not sure people realise we kicked 1 goal in a half of footy and 5 minutes into the 3rd we have 13 points more on the board due to Cumberland brilliance
Kid is a stuffing jet
Must play and should be one of the first picked.
anyone who cant see it now is blind or incredibly stupid. Our forward line is a mess.
Junior laid 2 tackles, but he is going great isnt he.
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Not sure people realise we kicked 1 goal in a half of footy and 5 minutes into the 3rd we have 13 points more on the board due to Cumberland brilliance
Kid is a stuffing jet
Must play and should be one of the first picked.
anyone who cant see it now is blind or incredibly stupid. Our forward line is a mess.
Junior laid 2 tackles, but he is going great isnt he.
Its hilarious Junior and Mansell who are there to tackle and harass are not getting it done Dusty hardly has a defensive bone in his body yet this kid cops it.He was fantastic when subbed on.
He was good but I wouldn't say Fantastic. 7 posessions in a half a game when your the one with fresh legs is hardly fantastic. He certainly energized the Forward line when he came on which was what was needed.
That said I think he did enough for a game next week and given the weather last night should of probably been in for Ryan from the start. This is something that has happened quite a few times under Harwick, not sure what the reason is that they seem to not be prepared to make late changes give the weather.
Lets see. 41% of game played 7 disposals. 100% game played would be about 16 or so. Not a bad return for a small fwd. :whistle
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The critical point is he offers something completely different to the other forwards. He has a really good goal sense. Must play.
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If only Cumbo ran around like a headless chook, missed targets by hand and foot and cost us vital goals then he'd never be dropped.
:lol :rollin
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Dimma in his presser today discussing Cumberland:
"We'll challenge players to add a further string to their bow. So, sometimes it will be one step back, for two steps forward. Now, Noah had to go back [to the VFL] because we wanted him to learn a little bit of a different role as Dusty, Shai and him play a similar role, even Jack to a certain extent. So, to improve like most players at stages - Daniel Rioli we've done it before; Kamdyn McIntosh; these sort of players - they do have to go back and learn a little bit of craft to further progress their career. So, we're reasonably happy with where he [Cumberland] is at. We certainly know he is an AFL quality player, and he is firmly in my view entrenched in our best 22, but sometimes it's not the best 22 now, but the best 22 moving forward. So, he'll play this week."
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Cumberland needs to back up his cameo last week with a full game effort on Saturday, so he keeps his spot.
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Not his best night. Very very poor with the ball by foot. His work rate was ok and it was a heavy deck but he needs to be a lot better than this.
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Apart from a couple of good things, thought he was putrid. Arrogant, selfish and a poor decision maker. Back to the 2s for me until he can demonstrate that he's a team player.
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I think he has a bit of Castagna about him. Lacks composure and polish but with a bit more creativity.
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He looks like creating things and kicking goals. We say no to that at our peril. He can develop in the 1s like a bunch of other favourites.
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Yeah, nah. Team players for mine, not flashy do nothing individuals. Ok if he's Dustin Martin, but you can't be half OK and an individual in a team game.
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Yeah, nah. Team players for mine, not flashy do nothing individuals. Ok if he's Dustin Martin, but you can't be half OK and an individual in a team game.
I personally didn't see him as selfish today but could be wrong of course. It didn't stand out to me anyway. I just saw a kid taking the game on. He also laid 6 tackles I think -- 4 more than Hopper who played in the guts all day on a wet deck.
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He muffed a lot of kicks but was also dangerous
You see the talent but you can also see why Dimma gets frustrated with him
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Kicks a few of those misses and you'd all be sucking his balls
Did anyone not see how many hard chase down tackles he laid? How many times he was clean, got out of traffic and launched it forward?
Yes, he skills were pretty poor tonight but as they say, the good outweighs the bad with this kid. We know he's highly skillful. This was a game where it was peeing down with rain fellas.
Just because we lost a close game that we should have won doesn't mean we should come on here and bag the poo out of kids. He's not the problem.
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Kicks a few of those misses and you'd all be sucking his balls
Did anyone not see how many hard chase down tackles he laid? How many times he was clean, got out of traffic and launched it forward?
Yes, he skills were pretty poor tonight but as they say, the good outweighs the bad with this kid. We know he's highly skillful. This was a game where it was peeing down with rain fellas.
Just because we lost a close game that we should have won doesn't mean we should come on here and bag the poo out of kids. He's not the problem.
Agree not the problem.
Not many senior places stood up tonight.
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Yeah, nah. Team players for mine, not flashy do nothing individuals. Ok if he's Dustin Martin, but you can't be half OK and an individual in a team game.
I personally didn't see him as selfish today but could be wrong of course. It didn't stand out to me anyway. I just saw a kid taking the game on. He also laid 6 tackles I think -- 4 more than Hopper who played in the guts all day on a wet deck.
To me it looks like he second guesses himself around goals now because he's apparently "selfish". Sometimes I wish he only had eyes for goal because he generally stuffing nails them
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Kicks a few of those misses and you'd all be sucking his balls
Did anyone not see how many hard chase down tackles he laid? How many times he was clean, got out of traffic and launched it forward?
Yes, he skills were pretty poor tonight but as they say, the good outweighs the bad with this kid. We know he's highly skillful. This was a game where it was peeing down with rain fellas.
Just because we lost a close game that we should have won doesn't mean we should come on here and bag the poo out of kids. He's not the problem.
Agree not the problem.
Not many senior places stood up tonight.
Exactly. I get the frustration with losing close games, I really do. Frustrates me more reading people pot the likes of Cumberland when there are far more experienced campaigners not pulling their weight
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Kicks a few of those misses and you'd all be sucking his balls
Did anyone not see how many hard chase down tackles he laid? How many times he was clean, got out of traffic and launched it forward?
Yes, he skills were pretty poor tonight but as they say, the good outweighs the bad with this kid. We know he's highly skillful. This was a game where it was peeing down with rain fellas.
Just because we lost a close game that we should have won doesn't mean we should come on here and bag the poo out of kids. He's not the problem.
:clapping
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Kicks a few of those misses and you'd all be sucking his balls
Did anyone not see how many hard chase down tackles he laid? How many times he was clean, got out of traffic and launched it forward?
Yes, he skills were pretty poor tonight but as they say, the good outweighs the bad with this kid. We know he's highly skillful. This was a game where it was peeing down with rain fellas.
Just because we lost a close game that we should have won doesn't mean we should come on here and bag the poo out of kids. He's not the problem.
Agree not the problem.
Not many senior places stood up tonight.
Exactly. I get the frustration with losing close games, I really do. Frustrates me more reading people pot the likes of Cumberland when there are far more experienced campaigners not pulling their weight
We’re in a weird spot.
Old legends are not the players they were.
Some promise from youth but they’re patchy and not reliable.
In summary, we’re an average side battling it out for bottom of the 8.
Tonight was a big swing game for both teams. Would have been a handy win
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Yeah, nah. Team players for mine, not flashy do nothing individuals. Ok if he's Dustin Martin, but you can't be half OK and an individual in a team game.
I personally didn't see him as selfish today but could be wrong of course. It didn't stand out to me anyway. I just saw a kid taking the game on. He also laid 6 tackles I think -- 4 more than Hopper who played in the guts all day on a wet deck.
To me it looks like he second guesses himself around goals now because he's apparently "selfish". Sometimes I wish he only had eyes for goal because he generally stuffing nails them
Agreed. Cumberland is exciting and runs in straight lines -- that is to say with purpose towards the goals. We desperately need a bona fide mid-sized forward instead of resting mids around HF and he's that guy.
As an aside, I'd say also that if anything Bolton is the selfish player in our F50: he appears unwilling to play simple footy when it is required and has to be all 'Shai Bolton' all the time. Bolton and Baker are the selfish ones -- they don't seem to care about the football that someone else took the trouble to win in the contest or win on the turnover. They're the 'flashy' experienced guys who aren't pulling their weight. If it weren't for his last-minute smother I'd be dropping Baker next week and challenging him to hit 75% DE in the VFL before a recall.
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Kicks a few of those misses and you'd all be sucking his balls
Did anyone not see how many hard chase down tackles he laid? How many times he was clean, got out of traffic and launched it forward?
Yes, he skills were pretty poor tonight but as they say, the good outweighs the bad with this kid. We know he's highly skillful. This was a game where it was peeing down with rain fellas.
Just because we lost a close game that we should have won doesn't mean we should come on here and bag the poo out of kids. He's not the problem.
Agree not the problem.
Not many senior places stood up tonight.
Exactly. I get the frustration with losing close games, I really do. Frustrates me more reading people pot the likes of Cumberland when there are far more experienced campaigners not pulling their weight
We’re in a weird spot.
Old legends are not the players they were.
Some promise from youth but they’re patchy and not reliable.
In summary, we’re an average side battling it out for bottom of the 8.
Tonight was a big swing game for both teams. Would have been a handy win
Totally agree.
Plus I'd say a few blokes that were support players in premierships are not exactly stepping up and taking over from the likes of Cotch.
We're a decent side, capable of being a great side on our day. Also capable of producing absolute poo.
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The only part of his game I'm disappointed in was the missed set what in the 3rd.
That was a terrible miss, senior, junior it doesn't matter an unacceptable miss
But apart from that no issue with his game. He missed tagets but so did many.
It is the senior blokes I'm most angry (disappointed) with after today's game.
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Long season. Lot to play out.
I do hope we don’t regret punting on TT and Hopper and not investing in youth.
Not potting those blokes but it was a bet on short term success.
Either way, I don’t blame the club for rolling the dice. I get it.
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I get TT's recruitment. Dude is a contested beast. At the present time it looks like he couldn't kick poo off a shovel but IDK if that's been the story for his whole career.
Struggling to see what Hopper is offering us right now in terms of CP's and clearances. He can run around and get 20-25 but so can Jack Ross. Early days tho
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Cumberland's game:
21 disposals (13k, 8h, 11c, 10u, 38.1% eff.)
7 marks (1 contested mark)
6 tackles (2 F50 tackles)
1 clearance
3 inside 50s
393 metres gained
2 intercepts
3 frees for
3 frees against
10 score involvements
2 goal assists
1 goal
2 behinds
77% time on ground
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That's a good game despite the poor DE but let's be honest it was wetter than your mum anyway.
Got plenty of ball, laid 6 tackles (lol at the defensive pressure excuse).
This guy is a must play.
At AT said if he'd kicked 2-3 goals we'd be lining up for him.
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Cumberland looks really exciting. Ironically takes pressure of talls as he moves well, pushing past 50 metre arc and is a lovely kick.
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One of the few to make an impact in last quarter
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Will be a gun
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2 goals
8 tackles
His efforts to pressure them were brilliant.
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Pressure was immense. Need to isolate him at times instead of kicking it to Jack all night long
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Was a standout tonight :thumbsup
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Too many basic errors for me.
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Was very good. One of those that plays better in the AFL than VFL.
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Still a kid , hasn’t played 20 games yet .
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Was very good. One of those that plays better in the AFL than VFL.
Certainly is
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“I thought Noah Cumberland could not have tried harder defensively. He is really working on it,” Matthew Richardson said.
“He’d been asked to do that at VFL level, and it really stood out.
“That shows me there’s a young player that is listening and wants to learn and wants to get better.
“And he’s averaging two goals a game over his first dozen games of AFL footy.”
Cumberland currently is ranked equal seventh in the competition for tackles inside 50 per game.
Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1311721/richo-commends-cumberland
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Thanks for saying it Richo. I saw it too.
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A bloody good story this as he was lacking defensively, however a hard worker will always succeed - well done to the lad!
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Still dont think he is playing all that different to his first 9 games. There was nothing wrong with his defensive efforts in the main to begin with not at Afl level anyway..
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Still dont think he is playing all that different to his first 9 games. There was nothing wrong with his defensive efforts in the main to begin with not at Afl level anyway..
Agree
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Agree 100% claw. I thought it was an very odd thing for Dimma / Club to say but accepted it as they'd know better.
Then even his return the efforts have been as good as any and I thought this doesn't look any different to what I remember him last year. Odd.
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I reckon he must have screwed the wife of every coach and member of the leadership group over summer.
Nothing else really makes sense.
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Spot on claw.
Those who initially came up with all these pathetic excuses to not play him, are looking foolish right now and tbh from day one. Our forward line is a mess, but he isn’t the issue.
Rapt for the kid.
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I'm glad he was made to earn his spot again. You could argue that his goodish form is because of the tough love he was shown at the start of the year. That's exactly how young players (who might get ahead of themselves) should be handled.
The next step for him is to become part of a forward line that functions - one that shares the ball around and honours the work of others around him. That's what stood out about our premiership forward lines and it is missing at the moment, and that's on all the players who get picked in there.
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Every goal this guy kicks is a middle finger up the you know what of the morons that didn't think he was doing XYZ enough to play AFL level.
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Every goal this guy kicks is a middle finger up the you know what of the morons that didn't think he was doing XYZ enough to play AFL level.
I’ll take the criticisms for that too.
I wasn’t sure it was setting a great example if he wasn’t performing in the VFL. But I was clearly wrong.
But he is clearly one of the very few players that are just way way better in the AFL than VFL. :clapping:clapping
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Every goal this guy kicks is a middle finger up the you know what of the morons that didn't think he was doing XYZ enough to play AFL level.
I’ll take the criticisms for that too.
I wasn’t sure it was setting a great example if he wasn’t performing in the VFL. But I was clearly wrong.
But he is clearly one of the very few players that are just way way better in the AFL than VFL. :clapping:clapping
I thought he was going to be delisted last year before he got some games and lit the place up.
It's only his lack of games early this year that's so deplorable.
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Every goal this guy kicks is a middle finger up the you know what of the morons that didn't think he was doing XYZ enough to play AFL level.
I’ll take the criticisms for that too.
I wasn’t sure it was setting a great example if he wasn’t performing in the VFL. But I was clearly wrong.
But he is clearly one of the very few players that are just way way better in the AFL than VFL. :clapping:clapping
Oh and btw I'm mostly talking about Hardwick and the coaching panel, didn't mean that about anyone here.
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I think his omission at the start of the season will be the most mysterious thing I'll ever witness. He's our 2nd best forward.
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Let's hope he finishes with 5 or 6. Need to see a full game from him.
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Hasn't touched it in the last 2 qtrs
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Hasn't touched it in the last 2 qtrs
He has
Just hasn't kicked a goal, nor had any good opportunity
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Dimma pooting on Cumberland in his press conference again... :whistle
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Dimma pooting on Cumberland in his press conference again... :whistle
Does he have some kind of attitude problem.
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Dimma mentioned that Cumberland is learning how hard he needs to work. Happy with his game and sees him as an AFL player but he can work harder.
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3 possessions (kicks) after quarter time, all of them turnovers. 3 score involvements (his 3 goals, one of which wouldn't have been a goal without a lucky 50).
Keep him in the side, sure, but let's not pretend he's the messiah. He's got a lot to work on, and Dimma knows that.
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Team first footy is an odd term.
The kid loves a goal, good on him. Kicked 3 in first half. He's played under 10 games let him go.
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Tigers fans were calling for Cumberland to be dropped a few weeks ago after a poor one on the wet. The kid has x-factor. Would love him at my club. #AFLDeesTigers
https://twitter.com/MattWalshMedia/status/1650436696595652608
Another media commentator with made-up statements :huh3
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Tigers forward Cumberland must work harder: Hardwick
Shayne Hope
AAP
April 25, 2023
Richmond forward Noah Cumberland can be an AFL matchwinner but needs to work harder to reach those heights, coach Damien Hardwick has said.
Cumberland helped the Tigers build a 25-point lead over Melbourne with three first-quarter goals in a scintillating start to Monday night's clash at the MCG.
But he was then shut out of the game by Michael Hibberd, managing just two disposals after quarter-time as the Demons overran Richmond.
"What Noah's got to realise is how hard he has to work in the game of AFL footy," Hardwick said after the Tigers' 18-point loss.
"He could be as good as he wants, that kid, but he's got to get to work on some things in his game.
"A lot of it is to do with Noah - how bad he wants it - and he's working on that."
Cumberland has kicked 25 goals in 13 senior games, including a haul of five against Brisbane last year.
Hardwick wants the 22-year-old to stay in games for longer and urged Cumberland to respond to the challenge.
"He can rip open a game in five minutes, this kid, and that's what we love about him," Hardwick said.
"We sort of changed our structure a little bit to get him in and he's just got to continue to play the game and realise the game will challenge him at various stages.
"His body language will get better but we just love what he brings (with) his energy.
"We've got to make sure that's used in all the right places because he can be a difference-maker for our side.
"We're excited about the prospect of that but we sort of want to get there a little bit faster."
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-forward-cumberland-must-work-harder-hardwick-c-10446039
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The body language comment is interesting
Reckon Dimma was talking about in the last when he led and the kick hit his opponent lace out.
Noah turned around and gave his team mate a spray
He isn't the first ans won't be the last
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I don’t blame him for the spray. They all get big bucks to kick a footy and part of that is at the least, give your forwards some chance by kicking it to advantage. It’s something every kid learns in junior footy and even more important nowadays considering how the opposition floods back.
Learn how to kick. :help
Our skills have been the worst I’ve seen in a number of years.
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He's an impact player and spurts player. Stevie Johnson was the same. Put Cumberland in our 2018 side and he's be tipped for All Aus one day. If we get back to a top 4 side Cumberland will get an enormous amount of goals.
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Cumberlands game or the fumbly low impact one dimensional game MRJ dished up again. Imo hes having a go at the wrong small fwd.
Also Hardwick took off Miller and moved Balta to fwd ruck. Then lamented sometimes you make a move and it opens another gate.
What was wrong with just swapping them doesn't he realise Miller has probably played his best footy for us in defense. Ffs we had our work cut out just dealing with Gawn and Grundy going fwd with out taking a tall out of the game and moving a defender fwd.
Personally i think he is in denial when it comes to apportioning blame. Always the kids copping it never the seniors.
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Agree 100% claw. Miller sub was a shocker. All off a sudden we needed Ryan to Rick full time which he was getting beaten anyway and then rotate with Balata forward. Ryan missed those two shots you'd back him to kick, he's a lovely kick of footy but was gassed after rucking more than usual.
Bad call. All in hindsight though. I also think a sub needs to be someone who can hit the scoreboard. A fresh running half back outside player takes a while to get the feel of the game. Cumberland sub vs Dogs is what you want. Not a outside backman looking for handball recieves.
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Our sub last night was shocking.
Pee off Mansell or Rioli and bring in HRS.
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For me it should have been sonsie. I know he hasn’t piled on goals but would at least give us some unpredictability in the midfield mix
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I got no problems with spray , but our kids a copping it what about most of our senior blokes been all away on holiday most of the year or when they do get the footy they kill us with mistakes premiership players or not they should be accountable to.
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I got no problems with spray , but our kids a copping it what about most of our senior blokes been all away on holiday most of the year or when they do get the footy they kill us with mistakes premiership players or not they should be accountable to.
agree Georgie i dont mind Samson at this stage under the circumstances. Older players have been average, and not the most popular opinion but i include dusty in that.
Paid to kick goals and he didnt. If it was lynch who missed those last night, this site would have latched on to him like a fly on poo.
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agree Georgie i dont mind Samson at this stage under the circumstances. Older players have been average, and not the most popular opinion but i include dusty in that.
Paid to kick goals and he didnt. If it was lynch who missed those last night, this site would have latched on to him like a fly on poo.
Like you have with the fitness bloke :rollin :rollin
:sarcasm2
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Read the full article here: https://theshinboner.com/2023/04/26/fortnightly-focus-sam-taylor-gws-esava-ratugolea-geelong-noah-cumberland-richmond-analysis-afl/
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Cumberland 1 disposal after halftime and that was a handball.
Last week 2 disposal after halftime.
Wow that’s 3 disposals in 4 quarters and no goals.
https://twitter.com/cr2000000/status/1652625029560152065
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I didn't mind Dimma criticism last week rightfully needs yo stay involved in games.
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Thought he tried enough but we were kinda getting fisted in the A after half time with nothing happening up forward anyway.
Not happy but also not worried when the team is going this poo.
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After half time only?
I thought he had a mare for the entire game myself
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Had a bad day. Looks lost with his set shots
Still, this is probably the first truly bad game he has played at this level. Young players have these sorts of games. Stick by him
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Worst game I’ve seen him play .
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Worst game I’ve seen him play .
The coach bagging him out last week probably didn't help his confidence.
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Playing on the wing at one stage did not help either.
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We need to put faith in these players and give them confidence, having them in and out of the team they are all hanging on a thread. Any mistakes they make are magnified.
Not saying all is perfect but look at Ellis, Butler, chol, mrakov, higgins, all doing ok. Sure not world beaters but better than a lot on our list.
I think it is time to clear out older players and get games into our youth. Riewoldt and Votchin should both retire.
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He got pantsed
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Not sure if Dimma's old school approach singling out Cumberland in the post-match presser after the Melbourne game has had the opposite effect on his confidence or it's Noah own failings, but Noah has had two shockers where he can't get his hands on the ball since those comments. He got a reprieve this week when he was meant to be dropped but don't see him getting another one next week even with our long injury list and lack of genuine small/midsized forwards.
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Good call, the right call to sub him out. I am thinking, right now, we are a better team without him as his petulant behavior continues to hold him back.
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Drop him. Let him reflect
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whoever instructed dimma to bag him in public ahead of some efforts by our so called leaders was a shocking decision. His comments today is a lot closer to what he should have said.
id like to know why mansell wasnt singled out today, nank a few weeks back, Bolton for his petulant efforts, Ross etc
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Im starting to get Mitch Morton vibes from Cumberland.
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One trick pony. But… he’s not the Lone Ranger in that regard.
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Im starting to get Mitch Morton vibes from Cumberland.
That's good, hopefully.
Because Morton is a premiership player.
Fingers crossed it means Cumberland will fall over the line in the last few weeks of the year and kick two goals in a winning GF.
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Deserves the same support as other players on the list.
A guy like Cumberland plays on instinct. You publicly bag him enough and he'll stop playing on instinct and second guess everything he's doing as he's doing it -- and then the flame is extinguished. The magic's gone.
I notice from Dimma's presser that the narrative has now changed to he's doing enough defensively but not enough offensively. ::)
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Deserves the same support as other players on the list.
A guy like Cumberland plays on instinct. You publicly bag him enough and he'll stop playing on instinct and second guess everything he's doing as he's doing it -- and then the flame is extinguished. The magic's gone.
I notice from Dimma's presser that the narrative has now changed to he's doing enough defensively but not enough offensively. ::)
Agreed
Still don't think we have any better options for forward positions
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I'm absolutely lost to the negativity on this kid. Our forward line is dosfunctional. Proven that when Dusty plays there he looks disinterested, he's past it, he can't get in the game. What can we expect from a kid like Noah.
He is high energy and gave 110% to the contests he was in, wasn't effective sure but I've had enough of the effort narrative. He's no jogger.
His IQ needs improving clearly. The 50m was ridiculous over umpiring but again the decision to do it was the type of Hollywood stuff the bottom 8 clubs do.
Let him free get around him and I reckon you have a potential Stevie J type player.
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Where is the negativity? Majority of posts I see are people making excuses for him. He’s a young player in bad form, but just because he had a breakout year last year and just happens to be under 23 years old doesn’t mean he should get a free pass in the side.
If you want to see negativity go have a look at the Shai Bolton thread. Clearly one of our best players and one of the most dangerous players in the league. He’s had some bad games but go and compare his bad games to what Noah’s done over the past few weeks and the night and day reactions between them.
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But he doesn’t get criticised publicly by the coach who changes the way he plays his game
Double standards ?
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Shai Bolton has most definitely been criticised by Dimma before.
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Needs to get betterand stay involved in games not dure what has happened since last season.
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BS not the way Cumberland was singled out and now he is playing a role that is killing his attacking confidence, same Dan r, Buttler , Higgins, etc
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I find the lengths people are going to, to find reasons for his poor peformances pretty bizarre. He’s out of form and as much as people want to deny it that’s mainly on him. He’s not being played out of position or asked to do something out of left field, he’s being asked to pressure and tackle, that’s literally one of the key roles of anyone outside of a key forward.
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I find the lengths people are going to, to find reasons for his poor peformances pretty bizarre. He’s out of form and as much as people want to deny it that’s mainly on him. He’s not being played out of position or asked to do something out of left field, he’s being asked to pressure and tackle, that’s literally one of the key roles of anyone outside of a key forward.
Completely agree.
Real over the top stuff in this thread.
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I find the lengths people are going to, to find reasons for his poor peformances pretty bizarre. He’s out of form and as much as people want to deny it that’s mainly on him. He’s not being played out of position or asked to do something out of left field, he’s being asked to pressure and tackle, that’s literally one of the key roles of anyone outside of a key forward.
Great post
Totally agree
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No one denies he is out of form but ask why he is and why a coach thinks it’s ok to bag his own players publicly
And if he will join the other of small forwards that have left the club or were reinvented
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No one denies he is out of form but ask why he is and why a coach thinks it’s ok to bag his own players publicly
And if he will join the other of small forwards that have left the club or were reinvented
Are we asking why other players out of form? No. It seems to be just Noah
I actually don't think he was "bagged" as badly as some think he was. Think it was also mentioned in the same presser how good this kid can be if he wants badly enough.
There was a little dig at Shai yesterday but I don't see or hear people going overboard about that.
Noah is horribly out of form. I think what gets lost in this discussion is that in all his games this season he has gone missing. And that was before the infamous presser.
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“He can be as good as he wants, that kid, but he’s got to get to work on some things in his game, and a lot of that has to do with Noah, how bad he wants it, and he’s working on that, he’ll get better,” Hardwick said.
“I was really happy with the vast majority of his game tonight. We sort of changed our structure a little bit to get him in, he’s just got to continue to play the game and realise the game will challenge him at various stages.
“His body language will get better, but we just love what he brings, his energy.”
Are these the comments everyone is up in arms about? Those are some incredibly tame comments. If that’s really people’s excuse, then I don’t know what to say.
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Other coaches don’t bag their own players publicly but I guess his loss of confidence has nothing to do with that .
I note, We don’t have a good track record with retaining small forward’s under Dimma who seems to be hard on them
Some of those same small seem to be going well at their new club but couldn’t get a regular game at Richmond or retired or moved to another position, but thinking Cumberland is going true same way is probably a coincidence
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If you don’t think other coaches make similar comments about their players then I’d suggest watching some other press conferences. What did Dimma really say that was so bad? To summarise; the skys the limit with him but he’s gotta want it for himself and he can see he’s working on it. I just don’t get the big fuss that’s being made about it here.
And let’s go through the small forwards you listed that Dimma doesn’t have a good track record with:
- Dan Rioli: 5 seasons as a small forward including 3 premierships. Fell out of form in season 6 and was moved to half back where he has been a revelation and signed a new long term deal with the club.
- Dan Butler: 3 seasons as a small forward including 1 premiership. Fell out of favour and requested a trade to st kilda. After a red hot start with 21 goals in his first 10 games, has averaged under a goal a game. He is an ok player but hardly setting the world on fire. Was essentially replaced by Bolton in our second premiership side who I don’t think anyone can argue is a vastly superior player.
- Jack Higgins: 3 seasons as a small forward where he was in and out of the side and suffered a serious brain injury during that period. Decided after 3 seasons that he wanted more regular game time and requested a trade to his boyhood club st kilda where he is doing very well this season. Would be quite the stretch to put this one on Dimma. We were right in the middle of our dynasty when he was drafted and it’s no surprise he couldn’t lock down a spot over the premiership players.
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Other coaches don’t bag their own players publicly but I guess his loss of confidence has nothing to do with that .
I note, We don’t have a good track record with retaining small forward’s under Dimma who seems to be hard on them
Some of those same small seem to be going well at their new club but couldn’t get a regular game at Richmond or retired or moved to another position, but thinking Cumberland is going true same way is probably a coincidence
We've only lost Stengle and Butler who couldn't get a game and Higgins who was not Richmond man material.
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Lol, none of them are currently small forwards at Richmond , that’s the point! We don’t have any specialist small forwards now apart form Cumberland , whys that when we had too many a couple of years ago?
I listen to other coaches and they rarely bag their own players , give me some examples of where they unload on their own players . Good Clubs do it in private!
Butler wasn’t offered a contract with Richmond and Higgins went because he was in the twos regularly and wanted more senior game time and St Kilda chased him.
Bolton is not a full time specialist forward.
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Why do you keep saying he unloaded on his players? The quotes are above how in anyone’s definition does that equate to unloading? He’s literally praising him for 90% of it, just says he needs to work harder. Can you list out those good coaches for me and then which ones have won 3 flags?
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Noah's replacement Mansell did no better so why do the coaches pick Noah's replacement as the sub.
Mansell is the most limited player on our list so if you pick him as a sub he is only going to replace Noah. ( he can't play any other position )
Ordinary kick, ordinary backman, ordinary forward.
If Mansell is the sub it sends a message to Noah we have your replacement waiting to go.
Did anyone see Hardwicks reaction when Noah fumbled the ball on the wing, I wonder if it was Mansell fumbling if the the reaction would have been the same.
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bingo yandb. Said it on here yesterday.
IMO i would have no real issue with what he said IF its consistent. Mansell is terrible what has he done? MRJ hasnt exactly set the world on fire but it wouldnt be pc to say the same to an aboriginal now would it. senior players etc
Few comments on here come as no surprise considering they never liked the guy since day one anyway.
Also If our small forwards were such an issue perhaps Dimma needs to look at our diabolical recruiting of late and call out some of those clowns.
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Noah's replacement Mansell did no better so why do the coaches pick Noah's replacement as the sub.
Mansell is the most limited player on our list so if you pick him as a sub he is only going to replace Noah. ( he can't play any other position )
Ordinary kick, ordinary backman, ordinary forward.
If Mansell is the sub it sends a message to Noah we have your replacement waiting to go.
Did anyone see Hardwicks reaction when Noah fumbled the ball on the wing, I wonder if it was Mansell fumbling if the the reaction would have been the same.
Maybe it is a case of Hardwick having higher expectations of Cumberland than he does for Mansell
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Interestingly Dane swan on front bar said something similar. Early in his career he played average in some game and got a massive spray. He confided in a team mate and was going “why did he go off at me in front of everyone at the meeting when there were half a dozen players which played worse than me.” Team mate said because you have e potential to be awesome and they don’t so mick is judging you harsher.
Rightly or wrongly that could be dimma’s approached to cummy?
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Interestingly Dane swan on front bar said something similar. Early in his career he played average in some game and got a massive spray. He confided in a team mate and was going “why did he go off at me in front of everyone at the meeting when there were half a dozen players which played worse than me.” Team mate said because you have e potential to be awesome and they don’t so mick is judging you harsher.
Rightly or wrongly that could be dimma’s approached to cummy?
Sure, agreed, but Mick did it in the rooms; Dimma did it at the presser.
Dimma = back pocket plumber = can't appreciate his antithesis.
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Is he contracted if not reckon he will look for greener pastures and there will be clubs who take him.
If im honest and im a small fwd with flair and a nose for goals then Richmond is the last place id want to go to.
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Dimma was tough on 2 all time greats - Rance and Jack.
I know we are all doubting Dimma atm but this is a part of his coaching that I think he is a master.
LMFAO at the guy who thinks we should have him bag Mansell because he bags Cumberland.
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The Negative: Quiet Cumberland
There is no doubting Noah Cumberland’s natural and raw ability as a forward.
He has a knack of kicking goals out of nothing and turning it on when the Tigers need a spark.
After kicking three goals in the opening quarter against Melbourne in Round 6, Cumberland has gone off the boil.
He had his moments early in the Gold Coast loss, but shanked his two first-quarter shots at goal, before dropping right off.
On Saturday, he had just two handballs before he was subbed out for Rhyan Mansell in the third term.
While Cumberland possesses some of the tools required to succeed at the elite level, he just needs to bridge the gap between his worst and best. A lot of that is between the ears.
Hopefully Hardwick can find a way to get more out of him because he can be a more than handy player in attack for the Tigers.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/08/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams8/
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I'm not giving up on Beaker yet.
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I'm not giving up on Beaker yet.
Me either! Muppet Labs approved ... *stamp ... :thumbsup
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Quietly cracking a few cold ones tonight....:shh
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Probably pretty happy.
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Yep probably happy and part of me is happy for him.
Another bloke having his talent and instinct coached out of him. Hopefully not too late.
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Quietly cracking a few cold ones tonight....:shh
:shh :shh
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Yep probably happy and part of me is happy for him.
Another bloke having his talent and instinct coached out of him. Hopefully not too late.
Being asked to pressure, tackle, defend and play selfless, team-first footy which was literally the core fundamentals of our 3 flags is having the talent and instinct coached out of you? :huh
I hope for all our sakes that Cumbo can find the form of last season that had us all thinking we had a future star on our hands but this victim card that people keep wanting to play for him is way over the top.
Anyway, as much as I would have preferred Dimma see out this season atleast, I’m excited to see what a new head coach will bring out of Noah and other players who have been on the fringes.
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Yep probably happy and part of me is happy for him.
Another bloke having his talent and instinct coached out of him. Hopefully not too late.
Being asked to pressure, tackle, defend and play selfless, team-first footy which was literally the core fundamentals of our 3 flags is having the talent and instinct coached out of you? :huh
I hope for all our sakes that Cumbo can find the form of last season that had us all thinking we had a future star on our hands but this victim card that people keep wanting to play for him is way over the top.
Anyway, as much as I would have preferred Dimma see out this season atleast, I’m excited to see what a new head coach will bring out of Noah and other players who have been on the fringes.
Whatever he has been asked to do he's not playing anywhere near the quality he was last year.
Maybe he had a purple patch, maybe the strategy of chaotic football just doesn't work anymore.
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Suddenly, the Noah stuff doesn't seem particularly important.
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Quietly cracking a few cold ones tonight....:shh
...or perhaps not.... :facepalm
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The farce continues - did Mini man actually watch how our forward functioned last week?
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Mangled
Can only man up and play well again this week and force them to pick him
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Maybe it wasn’t just a Dimma issue.
Could have an attitude problem.
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Or maybe Dimma’s “trust in his assistants” means mcqualter was the culprit all along with cummy hate :shh
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More like it , it’s the coaching panel that makes collective decisions
He obviously drop him bundle in his last senior game but I this obsession with a manic defence player is killing his game
To contradict myself he did play a good defensive and offensive game last week in the twos
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Back in the squad - Vlastuin out with a corkie.
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Electric youngster Noah Cumberland was recalled to the extended squad for the clash with GWS after the coaches saw a “spike” in the deficiencies that earnt him a rebuke from Hardwick before his departure.
After breaking into the team in round 10, Cumberland kicked six goals in a three-game stretch from rounds 11-13 but struggled for the next two games and was dropped back to the VFL.
Hardwick put Cumberland in the gun and said he had to realise “how hard he has to work in the game of AFL footy”.
Cumberland went back and booted four goals in a best-on-ground performance and McQualter said the coaching staff were happy he’d worked on the defensive elements as asked.
“We did see a spike in that part of his game,” he said.
“We know his ability to win the contest and to score, but he‘s just looking to improve as a young kid still in terms of footy in the amount that he’s played.
“So we have seen a spike from him and we’ll look to keep improving that for the rest of the year.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/richmond-adamant-dustin-martin-has-no-plans-to-follow-damien-hardwick-out-the-door/news-story/37c49f81b6fb05367f656d42de9af847).
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After breaking into the team in round 10, Cumberland kicked six goals in a three-game stretch from rounds 11-13 but struggled for the next two games and was dropped back to the VFL.
Speaking of the dumb media lol.
Whoever the 'journo' is who wrote this has looked up AFL tables on the net but mixed up Noah's running games tally for the rounds :wallywink. Hard to play in the rounds that haven't occurred yet :whistle.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/N/Noah_Cumberland.html#20220
Noah's 10th game was in Round 3.
His 11th-13th games were in Rounds 4-6 where he kicked a total of 6 goals.
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After breaking into the team in round 10, Cumberland kicked six goals in a three-game stretch from rounds 11-13 but struggled for the next two games and was dropped back to the VFL.
Speaking of the dumb media lol.
Whoever the 'journo' is who wrote this has looked up AFL tables on the net but mixed up Noah's running games tally for the rounds :wallywink. Hard to play in the rounds that haven't occurred yet :whistle.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/N/Noah_Cumberland.html#20220
Noah's 10th game was in Round 3.
His 11th-13th games were in Rounds 4-6 where he kicked a total of 6 goals.
The 'journo' was just warning Noah that he was GOING to be dropped after round 13. Cos we all know that some 'journos' have crystal balls ... :whistle
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Back in the squad - Vlastuin out with a corkie.
Is the sub today.
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Back in the squad - Vlastuin out with a corkie.
Is the sub today.
Very poor for the time he spent on the ground. Just doesn't seen like a Richmond Man/player.
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Back in the squad - Vlastuin out with a corkie.
Is the sub today.
Very poor for the time he spent on the ground. Just doesn't seen like a Richmond Man/player.
Confidence is shot. Not playing instinctively.
He'll make a great forward elsewhere if we don't pull our head out our arse and use him.
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Thought he played like he was 2nd guessing himself every contest. It feels like he is almost more worried about making a mistake rather than playing on instinct
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^^ Exactly
Kid is capable of producing goals through taking the game on, selling a bit of candy etc but he is too poo scared now to try it.
Obviously he didn't do much but he was out there for not even 20 minutes. I thought he showed good effort and desperation on a few occasions. Isn't that what a few of you seem to think is the only necessary for a footballer anyway...:shh
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Needs to be De-Hardwicked. :shh :shh
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Let’s stop making excuses for him.
He is playing a level below AFL at the moment.
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Definitely looks down on confidence.
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Let’s stop making excuses for him.
He is playing a level below AFL at the moment.
It’s not an excuse to point out he played less than a full quarter.
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Club botched they way it handled this kid no confidence at all yes his weakness , but the kid has class and a match winner.
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I love cummy. Last year he played on and his heart sank because he felt the weight of losing a game off his own boot. Next week instead of retreating in his shell he had a blinder and I think kicked 3 goals? You can’t teach ticker. They need to persevere with him and embrace his strengths and not hang him out to dry because of his weaknesses
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What did he injure? Because we’ve now got 2 spots open in our forward line.
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What did he injure? Because we’ve now got 2 spots open in our forward line.
Calf out for at least 2 weeks
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Well that’s just horrible timing for him.
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Ordinary player anyway so not missing much.
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Harsh
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He's a talented goal kicker with a chance to shine again without Dimma coaching him
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Ordinary player anyway so not missing much.
Confirmation he's actually a good player. #themachineeffect :shh
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Killed his confidence with all the negative stuff, he is more worried about tackling than killing goals now.
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Thought he played like he was 2nd guessing himself every contest. It feels like he is almost more worried about making a mistake rather than playing on instinct
Said the above also week
Still believe it.
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Our club has expectations according to assigned roles. Forward pockets are expected to use work rate and speed to cause turnovers in the front half harassing and providing pressure on the opposition defenders as first priority. Goals are a bonus for them if they can work hard back towards goal and get on the end of a few and maybe get the odd free kick from a bone crunching tackle in F50.
Cumberland was able to provide turnovers last season and was rewarded with more opportunities.
I’ve got only one thing to say to this kid…..
You’ve got the talent but your work rate is crap. Work hard and you’ll get your opportunities because we are crying out for a pressure forward especially one who is a natural goal kicker.
Do what they want and you’ll be playing every single week
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Ordinary player anyway so not missing much.
Confirmation he's actually a good player. #themachineeffect :shh
The coaching staff, currently think the same :shh
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He's a talented goal kicker with a chance to shine again without Dimma coaching him
You love this narrative don’t you? If you really think Dimma was some talent squasher, recommend you listen to Rances interview on sen recently where he talks about the sacrifices that he, jack and especially cotch made who are far far farrrr more talented players than cumberland to focus on defensive acts and put the team first. They still seemed to shine alright I reckon.
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It’s such a cop out to blame Dimma.
Cumbo is just out of from and down on confidence, which happens with young players.
He needs to string some good games together in the twos and he’ll be right.
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Those rules didn't apply to Mansell.
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Those rules didn't apply to Mansell.
:lol
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Alot of those rules didn't apply to certain players Hugo continues to play to.
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A reversal, played Cumberland out of form
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He's a talented goal kicker with a chance to shine again without Dimma coaching him
You love this narrative don’t you? If you really think Dimma was some talent squasher, recommend you listen to Rances interview on sen recently where he talks about the sacrifices that he, jack and especially cotch made who are far far farrrr more talented players than cumberland to focus on defensive acts and put the team first. They still seemed to shine alright I reckon.
I don't love it, but I do believe it hurt his confidence at a time where we were playing poorly and Dimma was approaching the end of his limits.
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They've ruined him for a while. For all his success, Dimma had sfa idea about how to promote a genuine small forward.
His favourites:
Jake King (dud)
Steve Morris (dud)
Jake Aarts (dud)
Rhyan Mansell (dud)
His misses:
Butler (traded)
Higgins (traded)
Stengle (premiership star at another club)
Sam Lloyd (traded)
D Rioli (moved to HB to save career)
M Rioli (reserves, can't kick)
Castagna (premature retirement)
Bolton (moved to midfield)
Cumberland?
We haven't let a quality small forward just be a quality small forward for years. Watch Cumberland light it up at Collingwood or somewhere else if we let another one slip through our grasp.
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Lol did you just list someone who kicked 40+ goals and was an all Australian forward last year as a miss because he also happens to be a gun mid?
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Guess he means a "miss" for us as he left after only playing two games because Hardwick kept overlooking him due to Hardwick not promoting genuine small forwards. :shh
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He's a talented goal kicker with a chance to shine again without Dimma coaching him
You love this narrative don’t you? If you really think Dimma was some talent squasher, recommend you listen to Rances interview on sen recently where he talks about the sacrifices that he, jack and especially cotch made who are far far farrrr more talented players than cumberland to focus on defensive acts and put the team first. They still seemed to shine alright I reckon.
I don't love it, but I do believe it hurt his confidence at a time where we were playing poorly and Dimma was approaching the end of his limits.
You sure do love mentioning it at every opportunity like Dimma was some offensive talent squasher because he wanted his small forward to do the unthinkable tasks of running, chasing, and tackling.
People will think I don’t like Cumberland but it’s the opposite, I had him in my 22 before the season started and I’d be playing him next week if he wasn’t injured. But the carry on is way way over the top imo, you’d think we’ve got a prime dusty Martin rotting away in the vfl.
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Guess he means a "miss" for us as he left after only playing two games because Hardwick kept overlooking him due to Hardwick not promoting genuine small forwards. :shh
I was referring to Bolton.
If we’re talking about Stengle, well a hell of a lot has played out between when we traded him to when he was AA…..like playing for a club in between, not being in their best 22 despite them being a bottom 4 side, a run in with the law, a delisting, a year in the state leagues (I think)…..
Besides I don’t remember anyone on here clamouring for him to play ahead of any of the forwards we had at the time. Hindsight indeed.
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Hey, I'm just pointing out that the guy had a blind spot -- developing small forwards. He wasn't perfect after all -- just ask his wife. :shh
Maybe one day we'll get to see an Eddie Betts or a Charlie Cameron running around for Richmond instead of a Rhyan Mansell.
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Look.
Cumberland has been horrible at senior level this year since qtr time on Anzac Day eve.
Since qtr time against Melbourne, Cumberland has had 4 effective disposals in 3 and 3 qtrs of football and not kicked a goal.
By any definition - it doesn’t stack up.
His performance is on HIM.
STOP BLAMING THE COACH.
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George served up worse for 3/4 of a season last year before he was dropped. He wasn't even laying tackles. :shh
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Whilst it is up to Cumberland to get back on track, I don’t think he just decided to completely change his game style by himself from offence and defence to complete defence with criticism from the coach , I’m not sure other players who have had a bad game were publicly criticised
We need his offence and it looks like they want him to be another George
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Hey, I'm just pointing out that the guy had a blind spot -- developing small forwards. He wasn't perfect after all -- just ask his wife. :shh
Maybe one day we'll get to see an Eddie Betts or a Charlie Cameron running around for Richmond instead of a Rhyan Mansell.
Cumbersome can’t untie the footy boots of my man Mansell. Mansell may not have the flair of the show pony but he makes up with better work rate and toughness that Cumbersome doesn’t possess
The kid needs to pull his digit out of his arse and work harder to do the basics that the coaching staff are after they are crying out for him to be that player not only for the good of the team but for the good of his own career.
It’s a very simple thing. Do the work you get a game we actually need him too
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Hey, I'm just pointing out that the guy had a blind spot -- developing small forwards. He wasn't perfect after all -- just ask his wife. :shh
Maybe one day we'll get to see an Eddie Betts or a Charlie Cameron running around for Richmond instead of a Rhyan Mansell.
Cumbersome can’t untie the footy boots of my man Mansell. Mansell may not have the flair of the show pony but he makes up with better work rate and toughness that Cumbersome doesn’t possess
The kid needs to pull his digit out of his arse and work harder to do the basics that the coaching staff are after they are crying out for him to be that player not only for the good of the team but for the good of his own career.
It’s a very simple thing. Do the work you get a game we actually need him too
:clapping
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Mansell's a c-grade plodder. :shh
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You don't have your best medium forward in the vfl that kicks you goals, got flair and can win games pure stupidity problem is confidence is shot and Dimma made bs excuses can't have him and Dusty in same team etc. Like people said same rules haven't applied to other players.
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Again, he would be playing in the seniors if he was the best medium forward. At this stage he is a VFL plodder :shh
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Toxic thread full of wankers at the moment.
Haven't seen a kid cop this kind of bagging since Tambling.
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The plodders of this board. :shh :shh
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The plodders of this board. :shh :shh
Forum cloggers.... :shh :shh :shh
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Toxic thread full of wankers at the moment.
Haven't seen a kid cop this kind of bagging since Tambling.
Wow the hypocrisy of it all. Seems you’re allowed to criticise some players and not others. Can only see one poster resorting to name calling in this thread which I agree is uncalled for. But go have a look at the soldo thread or the graham thread or the mansell thread or even more bizarrely the Bolton thread from earlier in the season for much worse examples.
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Again, he would be playing in the seniors if he was the best medium forward. At this stage he is a VFL plodder :shh
Did he take a dump in Jack Graham’s (your) locker?
You are the most positive person on this thread when it comes to plenty of players. This bloke cops the entirety of your negativity.
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Outside of Samson Ryan can anyone name a junior player, lets cap it at 22 and under who has not stagnated or gone backwards who has managed at least one senior game since they have been there.
Even the kids playing Vfl with the injuries we have had none can even get a senior look.
Players who were talked up enough
Ross - stagnated.
Ralphsmith - gone backwards to the point where your asking will he make it.
Clarke - imo stagnated despite good signs in recent weeks.
Ryan - well as a ruckman he looks to have a decent future and has improved.
Young - being a first year player and outside the 22 and under bar. Just looks a plodder. Just thought id get as many newbies here as possible.
Miller - 23yr old but still not a regular so threw him in. stagnated at best.
Cumberland - gone backwards.
Sonsie - Gone backwards if we cant play him.
Gibcus - Stagnated thru injury obviously.
Dow - gone backwards
Nyuon - Has not managed a game this year . As a defender is he done. Vfl form seems to have improved.
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Toxic thread full of wankers at the moment.
Haven't seen a kid cop this kind of bagging since Tambling.
Wow the hypocrisy of it all. Seems you’re allowed to criticise some players and not others. Can only see one poster resorting to name calling in this thread which I agree is uncalled for. But go have a look at the soldo thread or the graham thread or the mansell thread or even more bizarrely the Bolton thread from earlier in the season for much worse examples.
Cumberland cops it IMO because some posters have been critical of other posters favourites. Either that or Noah doesn’t stop for a chat with the hangers on at the VFL
His football is good, anyone with eyes can see that. With the bollocking he’s copping from a few I honestly wouldn’t mind if he left and kicked 7 against us next season.
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Toxic thread full of wankers at the moment.
Haven't seen a kid cop this kind of bagging since Tambling.
Wow the hypocrisy of it all. Seems you’re allowed to criticise some players and not others. Can only see one poster resorting to name calling in this thread which I agree is uncalled for. But go have a look at the soldo thread or the graham thread or the mansell thread or even more bizarrely the Bolton thread from earlier in the season for much worse examples.
Cumberland cops it IMO because some posters have been critical of other posters favourites. Either that or Noah doesn’t stop for a chat with the hangers on at the VFL
His football is good, anyone with eyes can see that. With the bollocking he’s copping from a few I honestly wouldn’t mind if he left and kicked 7 against us next season.
I agree that the criticism from some is over the top but I’d also say the defence he gets from some is also over the top. There’s something about this guy which is polarising a lot of the posters on here to take an extreme view on Cumbo either in the positive or the negative and to be honest I’m not sure which ones worse.
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I just want to be absolutely clear here. I actually want him to succeed.
The club wants him to succeed as he has the x-factor we need. But unlike last season he clearly is not ticking the necessary boxes to get other players out of the senior squad and clearly the boxes required is not goal kicking.
If he does those things asked of him the spot is his for as long as he wants it.
If I was giving him advice in person, “Just do those things the coaching staff are asking first and foremost and let your flair be the icing on the cake and the spot is yours”
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Toxic thread full of wankers at the moment.
Haven't seen a kid cop this kind of bagging since Tambling.
You cannot blame a coach for having favourites when you then do the same thing.
He was amazing last year - he started the year on fire and slowly dwindled in output.
Facts are, he’s not measuring up at the moment.
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Again, he would be playing in the seniors if he was the best medium forward. At this stage he is a VFL plodder :shh
Did he take a dump in Jack Graham’s (your) locker?
You are the most positive person on this thread when it comes to plenty of players. This bloke cops the entirety of your negativity.
Because of a few reasons:
He has talent but is a selfish player
He doesn't play to the team structure
He goes down in a heap after most contests, paper cut man he should be called
He is not as good as some believe, well not yet anyway
His defensive actions are on his terms
He is openly salty to teammate on field which is not Richmond Man behavior
His general kicking is below average
If he improves, he will become a valuable player. If not, he will be on the scrap heap.
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Will ask for a trade for sure i reckon. Who can blame him.
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6 goals in 7 senior games with 5 of them coming in 2 quarters. Averaging 4 effective disposals. Using your logic Claw on other small forwards, he should be delisted.
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Sounds the coaches need to give him a real public dressing down , change his game style completely and humiliate him at every chance until he doesn’t know what he should be doing,that should do trick, pity they can’t physically perform public flogging anymore, guess we will have to be satisfied with literal public floggings of scapegoats on media platforms
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Sounds the coaches need to give him a real public dressing down , change his game style completely and humiliate him at every chance until he doesn’t know what he should be doing,that should do trick, pity they can’t physically perform public flogging anymore, guess we will have to be satisfied with literal public floggings of scapegoats on media platforms
This.
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they wont ever do it to MRJ who i reckon has delivered nothing in the same amount of time. :shh
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:shh :shh
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they wont ever do it to MRJ who i reckon has delivered nothing in the same amount of time. :shh
Not sure it is the same amount of time, seeing the were drafted in different years
But hey, whatever
:rollin
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MRJ 22 games No. 51, 2020 AFL draft
NC 16 games. No. 43, 2019 AFL National Draft: Richmond
one has played 6 more games and has done SFA in my opinion apart from being lazy at this stage of his career, but we better not criticize :shh
Nice try though.
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who says we can’t be critical of MRJ?
He has been dropped for good reason. Not doing enough offensively.
The Cumberland white knights are the ones who seem to be against criticism.
Both players can and should be criticised IMO.
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MRJ 22 games No. 51, 2020 AFL draft
NC 16 games. No. 43, 2019 AFL National Draft: Richmond
one has played 6 more games and has done SFA in my opinion apart from being lazy at this stage of his career, but we better not criticize :shh
Nice try though.
You seem a bit sensitive with regard to Noah. But a nice clip from the cheap seats at someone who dares to pull you up on your
You can criticise whoever you like. Seriously I don't care but if you going to go down the road of comparisons then get your facts rights to back up your argument.
You and others conveniently forget that he was actually de-listed and re-drafted. Would think that there is a bit of message there don't you?
there is absolutely no doubt the kid has talent; a lot of it but clearly there are parts of his game he needs to work on just like MJ does, just like most of them do.
My personal view is he is playing with very little confidence as he trying to please everyone rather than concentrating on the controllables. Do the basics right, the hard work and the rest will take care of itself
who says he want be critical of MRJ?
He has been dropped for good reason. Not doing enough offensively.
The Cumberland white knights are the ones who seem to be against criticism.
Both players can and should be criticised IMO.
Very good post Willy :thumbsup
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There is plenty of criticism of MRJ on his thread. He’s been fumbling and turning over the ball with most of his possessions and posters have been commenting as such as well as been dropped from the side.
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Sounds the coaches need to give him a real public dressing down , change his game style completely and humiliate him at every chance until he doesn’t know what he should be doing,that should do trick, pity they can’t physically perform public flogging anymore, guess we will have to be satisfied with literal public floggings of scapegoats on media platforms
Well here’s the way over the top defence that I was talking about lol
Like I said, not sure what’s worse in this thread, the overly critical or the defend at all costs brigade.
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The Richmond football club would never mismanage a player's development. It's true because it's true.
We'd never single out one player over all others for public criticism because we have an industry-leading culture. Therefore, if any player doesn't make it with us, it's their fault not ours.
We'd never mismanage a player's development. It's true because it's true.
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LOL, I’m not sure you you understand the point or the irony , if you have to explain a basic point why bother.
You just keep telling yourself how right you are and some of us will ask why.🤡
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What exactly am I telling myself I’m right about here? I’m just bemused at the over the top criticism and defence that is being endlessly posted on this thread.
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I believe it would have greater value to explain why he went from a player on the up with a great goal sense last year to our new scapegoat dud with no confidence without complete victim blaming .
Could it be that the coaches didn’t manage his transition to offensive / defensive player from offensive player as well as they should have .It seems to be a pattern with our small forwards as they want them to be fully defensive where forwards are hard wired to kick goals and lose confidence when they don’t or get a possession
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That could 100% be it for sure.
Couldn’t it also just be that the kid is in poor form or that his form last year was an aberration? Let’s remember, he was playing for his AFL life last season having no contract for 2023 and beyond. Now that he got resigned for 2 more seasons, could he be less motivated? He wouldn’t be the first or last athlete that has happened to.
We’ve gone from the highest scoring side last season to a mid-low scoring side this season. I would think that this would naturally cause a forwards output to decrease and mess with his confidence.
I just don’t buy into the fact that Hardwick is some offensive/small-forward killer that has absolutely ruined Noah’s confidence nor do I believe he is a selfish dud player. Just don’t understand why it has to be so strongly one view or the other.
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I believe it would have greater value to explain why he went from a player on the up with a great goal sense last year to our new scapegoat dud with no confidence without complete victim blaming .
Could it be that the coaches didn’t manage his transition to offensive / defensive player from offensive player as well as they should have .It seems to be a pattern with our small forwards as they want them to be fully defensive where forwards are hard wired to kick goals and lose confidence when they don’t or get a possession
He’s not a scapegoat, he’s just not playing that good.
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they wont ever do it to MRJ who i reckon has delivered nothing in the same amount of time. :shh
Cumberland has played more games than MRJ.
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I’m not sure what you’re on about , maybe you can share you pearls of wisdom with someone else and stop stalking me!
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WTF are you talking about mate?
His numbers are horrible this year bar 2 qtrs of afl.
That also includes his reserves games.
Use facts to support whatever it is you are trying to say of STFU!
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You are not my mate, and who made you captain of the world. SC.
You have no idea what I’m talking about so wasted effort on you!
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they wont ever do it to MRJ who i reckon has delivered nothing in the same amount of time. :shh
Cumberland has played more games than MRJ.
AFL games?
Surely not
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You are not my mate, and who made you captain of the world. SC.
You have no idea what I’m talking about so wasted effort on you!
Amuse me by attempting to justify that statement - “what are you talking about”.
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Why don’t you read what is already been said, if you still don’t get it then I’m not going to put the effort in
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WTF are you talking about mate?
His numbers are horrible this year bar 2 qtrs of afl.
That also includes his reserves games.
Use facts to support whatever it is you are trying to say of STFU!
he’s played how many VFL games? He had 20 and 4 in one of them, kicked 3 in another. Maybe his other games were poor but I don’t think his overall reserves stats would be ‘horrible’
TK has said it best. People are annoying each other here because there’s staunch defenders and people needlessly bagging the pee out of the kid with not many in the middle
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Great opportunity for him to cement his place in this team.
Let hope he returns to his best and proves the doubters wrong.
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A bit stiff is the kid.
Not sure what he did but it didn’t look like he rolled an ankle. Looks to be something more serious probably a re-occurrence of the previous injury.
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Noah isn't the issue
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Noah isn't the issue
Nor is he the solution.
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Noah isn't the issue
Unless you're a Mansell fan boy :shh
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Jack's the issue . Needs a rest. Long rest . That's not a knock on him. Just the reality . Carried the load for a long time. Brain still knows what to do but his body can't keep up atm
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Noah isn't the issue
Unless you're a Mansell fan boy :shh
Mansell a huge loss. We could’ve used his toughness out there tonight.
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LMAO - yeah he would've turned it all around.... :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
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Noah isn't the issue
Unless you're a Mansell fan boy :shh
I’m a fan of Richmond men. Paper cuts ain’t one :shh
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LMAO - still parroting Hardwick's tired old lines. :shh :shh
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Not this again
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Credit to the young man playing on in the 2nd half
He was certainly hampered. When he wasn't in play he was certainly favouring the ankle he rolled
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Credit to the young man playing on in the 2nd half
He was certainly hampered. When he wasn't in play he was certainly favouring the ankle he rolled
I may be wrong but it didn’t look like a rolled ankle on the replay. I was thinking it might’ve been a reoccurrence of the previous injury.
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Jack's the issue . Needs a rest. Long rest . That's not a knock on him. Just the reality . Carried the load for a long time. Brain still knows what to do but his body can't keep up atm
I've said that a few times this year (and last year actually) and then the following week he's come out and kicked 5.
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Jack's the issue . Needs a rest. Long rest . That's not a knock on him. Just the reality . Carried the load for a long time. Brain still knows what to do but his body can't keep up atm
Wrong.
Wouldnt matter who we had up there, as long as that person is the only legitimate forward marking target we have up there he is going to get double and triple teamed all game.
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I agree that jack shouldn’t need to be playing every week, but this isn’t the week where I would blame tiredness given we were coming off the bye and he would have had almost 2 weeks im since our last game against the saints.
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Noah Cumberland's six-goal haul for @RichmondVFL on Saturday (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f525.svg)
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1684022378559594496
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Quality set shot kicking right there
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Yeah but what was his space guarding, defensive running & body language like? #notasgoodasmansell :shh
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Yeah but what was his space guarding, defensive running & body language like? #notasgoodasmansell :shh
Not as popular as some others either
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:shh :shh
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Good to see him playing on instinct again. Kid is a beauty.
Saw him accidentally snub some nuffy in a dufflecoat at the VFL a few years ago, think that was the catalyst for the online hate campaign against him...:shh
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Cumberland was ill at half-time yet still finished with 6 goals.
"Almost the complete game from Noah. He used the ball really well, hit the scoreboard heavily, and put some really good pressure on as well. He was pretty crook at half-time and still hit the scoreboard in the second half, so very pleased with the way Noah went about it." - Steve Morris
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1387188/vfl-report-round-18)
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First class performance and the noted point about the pressure would not be lost on the coaching group. More of this please Noah.
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MRJ 22 games No. 51, 2020 AFL draft
NC 16 games. No. 43, 2019 AFL National Draft: Richmond
one has played 6 more games and has done SFA in my opinion apart from being lazy at this stage of his career, but we better not criticize :shh
Nice try though.
Throw in Cumberlands early seasons were basically ruined thru injury.
Im accused of being stubborn pig headed and locked in and won't change.
Sheesh plenty of others are far more guilty than me.
They are guilty of far worse and that is being blinkered when it comes to what the club may have got wrong nd gets wrong.
When Noah finally overcame his knee issues last year he forced his way into the team on the back of kicking goals in the vfl and by the way from what i saw there was nothing wrong with the defensive part of his game.
Yep he got into the team and who could possibly complain about his first 8 games which is officially 9 games as he was sub in his first game and did not get on the ground.????.
Sub first actual game game got on early and kicked 2.3 in what was a great debut.Not a lot of disposals or tackles but he still should have kicked 4. and of the ten disposals, he had to win 6 of em for himself. he looked great not just offensively but defensively.
second game 3.4, 4 tackles 7 i50's 9 c/p with good game time fmd a kid kicking goals and tackling and applying pressure.
Third game only 1.1 but 6 tackles 4 i/50 and 7 c/p. who said he is defensively poor. it was a lie.
4th game against brisbane not a lot of ball but fmd kicks 5 straight and lays 3 tackles only the one i/50 but half of his disposals are contested.
I can go on but wtf needless to say probably his worst game for the year was the elimination final. Having kicked 5 against them last time they were going to put some work into him.
He had a quite one but still managed to hit the scoreboard and only had just over 2/3 game time.
Just my opinion but the club have mishandled him poorly ever since. I think the club are still stuck on something that worked for us 4 yrs ago but is clearly a player wrecker and no longer the way the game is. Some supporters defend this when there are so many examples of playing just defensive fwds is no longer enough.
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I just don't see what is so good about this guy. Probably made more errors than anybody on the park tonight and doesn't seem to make the right choices often. To all those so bouyant on him, what do you see?
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I just don't see what is so good about this guy. Probably made more errors than anybody on the park tonight and doesn't seem to make the right choices often. To all those so bouyant on him, what do you see?
Nothing :shh
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Not up to it unfortunately. Delist.
Drops marks that12 year olds take. Makes terrible decisions and he is selfish. Has to go.
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Play him the rest of the year, then decide, nothing to lose
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I can handle (barely) the goal misses, can almost handle the dropping of simply marks but I can't handle whe blokes either pull out of contests or refuse to attack a contest.
He did both tonight, not that he was the only one I might add and it cost us.
Had a massive opportunity tonight to make a statement about where he wants to get to on his career and he blew it
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I just don't see what is so good about this guy. Probably made more errors than anybody on the park tonight and doesn't seem to make the right choices often. To all those so bouyant on him, what do you see?
Nothing :shh
I wouldn't be pointing too many fingers after yet another pee poor w.o.g effort from you tonight. :shh :shh
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He stuffed a couple of opportunities for sure but he presents well and knows where to position himself. If he'd kicked 1 more it would have been a semi decent game.
Forward line looks better with him in it IMO.
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Finally - someone who actually watched the game. :shh
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Cumberland's first game back:
13 disposals (8k, 5h, 4c, 9u, 38.5% eff.)
6 marks (1 contested mark)
4 tackles
4 inside 50s
264 metres gained
2 intercepts
4 score involvements
1 goal
2 behinds (plus 1 OOTF)
82% time on ground.
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His fault we lost apparently.... :shh
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His fault we lost apparently.... :shh
Yep
With his Dan Connor’ish vibes
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I just don't see what is so good about this guy. Probably made more errors than anybody on the park tonight and doesn't seem to make the right choices often. To all those so bouyant on him, what do you see?
Hey Fluffy, I no way profess to be an expert but:
He is a decent size, not getting ragdolled
Is competitive offensively
Plays taller than his height
Defensively improving
Has plenty of upside, just needs time and experience
Who else is there?
We have a lot of project small link players, none with genuine speed
We let Mrakov go, he would be going ok now
We somehow failed with our talls selections but there is some upside if we are patient
Our list is looking pretty bad tbh
So we need to invest in some players and be patient with their development.
I feel Cumberland is one of those players on our list to invest time into.
The negativity of supporters is amazing.
Just wait until we hit the wall of considering trading our top players to regenerate our list, then the crying will really start.
At this stage it is going to get worse before it gets better.
So FT, do you think we should be playing Cumberland??
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WP said it perfectly. Take the goggles off he is not up to it.
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His fault we lost apparently.... :shh
Yep
With his Dan Connor’ish vibes
It’s true. But, that’s probably unfair to say as it’s his first game for weeks. There’s plenty of others who have plenty more opportunities that were as bad or worse. It was just a little disappointing is all.
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I can handle (barely) the goal misses, can almost handle the dropping of simply marks but I can't handle whe blokes either pull out of contests or refuse to attack a contest.
He did both tonight, not that he was the only one I might add and it cost us.
Had a massive opportunity tonight to make a statement about where he wants to get to on his career and he blew it
/\ This /\
:clapping :clapping
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I just don't see what is so good about this guy. Probably made more errors than anybody on the park tonight and doesn't seem to make the right choices often. To all those so bouyant on him, what do you see?
Hey Fluffy, I no way profess to be an expert but:
He is a decent size, not getting ragdolled
Is competitive offensively
Plays taller than his height
Defensively improving
Has plenty of upside, just needs time and experience
Who else is there?
We have a lot of project small link players, none with genuine speed
We let Mrakov go, he would be going ok now
We somehow failed with our talls selections but there is some upside if we are patient
Our list is looking pretty bad tbh
So we need to invest in some players and be patient with their development.
I feel Cumberland is one of those players on our list to invest time into.
The negativity of supporters is amazing.
Just wait until we hit the wall of considering trading our top players to regenerate our list, then the crying will really start.
At this stage it is going to get worse before it gets better.
So FT, do you think we should be playing Cumberland??
Well there's a new one. Being called negative. I am usually called the opposite. But back to Noah.
I don't see the positives in his game that some here do. He seems to make the wrong choice most of the time and that's the biggest negative I have. As far as playing him, yep now go for it. Let him change my mind and prove I'm wrong. I'm generally happy to be proven wrong on these sort of things.
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His fault we lost apparently.... :shh
Certainly not solely his fault we lost last night
He had 22 mates that joined that party. It was pathetic effort by the entire side.
I've backed him this year even defended him but last night after the first qtr he was so disappointing. Some of his 3rd qtr "efforts" were and I hate saying this non-competitive. But let me be clear he wasn't only one.
The bloke has all the skill in the world, that's not in dispute but question is quickly becoming does he have the will and desire to take that skill and make the most of it
I see with his stats he had 4 tackles. 3 of them were in the 1st half.
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His fault we lost apparently.... :shh
Certainly not solely his fault we lost last night
He had 22 mates that joined that party. It was pathetic effort by the entire side.
I've backed him this year even defended him but last night after the first qtr he was so disappointing. Some his 3rd qtr "efforts" were and I hate saying this non-competitive. But let me be clear he wasn't only one.
The bloke has all the skill in the world, that's not is dispute but question is quickly becoming does he have the will and desire to take that skill and male the most of it
I see with his stats he had 4 tackles. 3 of them were in the 1st half.
Just pointing out he would be the worst kick in the squad. Horrendous kick of the footy. He disrupts our game style, noting our game style is currently broken anyway but the point being, he has limited footy IQ and this point should send him packing.
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His fault we lost apparently.... :shh
Certainly not solely his fault we lost last night
He had 22 mates that joined that party. It was pathetic effort by the entire side.
I've backed him this year even defended him but last night after the first qtr he was so disappointing. Some his 3rd qtr "efforts" were and I hate saying this non-competitive. But let me be clear he wasn't only one.
The bloke has all the skill in the world, that's not is dispute but question is quickly becoming does he have the will and desire to take that skill and male the most of it
I see with his stats he had 4 tackles. 3 of them were in the 1st half.
Just pointing out he would be the worst kick in the squad. Horrendous kick of the footy. He disrupts our game style, noting our game style is currently broken anyway but the point being, he has limited footy IQ and this point should send him packing.
He's usually a good kick for goal.
Had a shocker.
Jack missed easy ones too, also normally a good kick.
I'd play him the rest of the year before making a call because he is a proper forward, unlike Pickett.
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I just don't see what is so good about this guy. Probably made more errors than anybody on the park tonight and doesn't seem to make the right choices often. To all those so bouyant on him, what do you see?
Hey Fluffy, I no way profess to be an expert but:
He is a decent size, not getting ragdolled
Is competitive offensively
Plays taller than his height
Defensively improving
Has plenty of upside, just needs time and experience
Who else is there?
We have a lot of project small link players, none with genuine speed
We let Mrakov go, he would be going ok now
We somehow failed with our talls selections but there is some upside if we are patient
Our list is looking pretty bad tbh
So we need to invest in some players and be patient with their development.
I feel Cumberland is one of those players on our list to invest time into.
The negativity of supporters is amazing.
Just wait until we hit the wall of considering trading our top players to regenerate our list, then the crying will really start.
At this stage it is going to get worse before it gets better.
So FT, do you think we should be playing Cumberland??
Well there's a new one. Being called negative. I am usually called the opposite. But back to Noah.
I don't see the positives in his game that some here do. He seems to make the wrong choice most of the time and that's the biggest negative I have. As far as playing him, yep now go for it. Let him change my mind and prove I'm wrong. I'm generally happy to be proven wrong on these sort of things.
Fluffy, the negative comment was not directed at you at all
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Cumberland out and to miss the next two games due to concussion protocols.
Noah Cumberland, who suffered a concussion late in Thursday's training session and now has entered the protocols.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1400377
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Noah Cumberland is a bit like Glenn Maxwell.
Can be bloody frustrating but give him the opportunities & he has the X-Factor to win games off his own boot in the blink of an eye.
I'm hoping Yze can make this guy a match winner.
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1721999623299252429
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Fingers crossed on this one
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Fourth in the time trial :thumbsup.
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2023/11/13/1c42a169-7b60-44c2-81b9-ab6d9994a899/AFLTrainingNovember13-1277-Noah-Cumberland.jpg?width=580)
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/albums/1464384/afl-pre-season-november-13-2023
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Looks stronger in the upper body
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I think he is worth giving plenty of games
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Maybe Yze will actually play him forward and let him ping it from anywhere :shh
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Maybe Yze will actually play him forward and let him ping it from anywhere :shh
Could be our fritsch… minus the hair
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Maybe Yze will actually play him forward and let him ping it from anywhere :shh
Could be our fritsch… minus the hair
And the attitude :shh
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Would describe it as having a good first 8 games. Then a failure to cement his place actually went backwards. Was given opportunity and did not take it. Yes he was poorly handled but real deficiencies have shown up and been exposed. Can only say like Sonsie and a few others he has gone backwards.
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Maybe Yze will actually play him forward and let him ping it from anywhere :shh
Could be our fritsch… minus the hair
And the attitude :shh
And the punchable head.... :shh :shh
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Maybe Yze will actually play him forward and let him ping it from anywhere :shh
Could be our fritsch… minus the hair
And the attitude :shh
And the punchable head.... :shh :shh
And the lamentable joke of a club he plays for
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Looks fit. Good to see.
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I saw on Instagram he came 4th in the 2km time trial?
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I saw on Instagram he came 4th in the 2km time trial?
Yep, he did.
Looks fit. Good to see.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/image/imagerender?key=45095347&src=afl-gal-clear-0w-450h)
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Midfield option?
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Interview with Noah Cumberland here:
#8 Noah Cumberland - 'that' moment during the draft, social media trolls, his first meeting
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xzOFn4kRrUc/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOFn4kRrUc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOFn4kRrUc
Had some decent insights.
Main takeaway was him saying he’s had to develop his professionalism, work on body language & defence. Clearly has talent, with some maturity, hopefully he can take the next step.
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1733379472915861638