One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 03, 2020, 12:36:42 PM
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Just announced by the Qld premier.
Richmond along with Carlton, St Kilda, North, Essendon and the Bulldogs heading up to Qld.
Divided between the Gabba and Metricon. 4 teams will play at one venue and two at the other.
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Sunshine coast hub will have Carlton & St Kilda.
NSW hub - Melbourne & Hawthorn.
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The Western Bulldogs, Essendon, Richmond and North Melbourne will relocate to the Gold Coast.
“Essentially, Queensland is going to be the home of the AFL, they should give us the grand final after this,” Palaszczuk said.
“Four teams are going to be on the Gold Coast and two on the Sunshine Coast.
“There will be a lot more matches at the Gabba (Brisbane) and Metricon (Gold Coast) and of course our capacity is 50 per cent of the public being able to go see these sports stars in action.
“(They’ll be here) for the rest of the season, is my understanding.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/the-six-afl-clubs-heading-to-queensland-hub-c-1142364
So Tiger fans in Qld like Julz will be able to go.
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Suits our style of play, less dependence upon contested marking due to the more dewy conditions up there.
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Just glad it's not the concrete knee & ankle killer of Optus or cold & crappy Adelaide.... :shh
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Yeah, who'd want to spend 4-6 weeks on the goldy in July. These guys should be thanking the gods.
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BT just said they've been notified that a couple of senior Tiger players aren't going up to the hub. Didn't mention names though.
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Houli & Edwards.... :shh
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Houli & Edwards.... :shh
Dow and Naish to come in
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They said during the call that Houli's wife gave birth a couple of days ago (?).
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Jon Ralph saying Houli and Edwards won't be going and that's it
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Houli, Edwards, Prestia, Cotchin, Nank, Biggy, Martyn & Cumberland. That’s a lot
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Houli would have been dropped anyway
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Tom Browne just said Richmond flies out on the last AFL flight tomorrow at midday.
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Experienced Tigers and young cubs snub hub
By Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
5 July 2020
A GROUP of experienced Richmond players will not journey with the team to the Queensland hub, with the club's football boss Neil Balme revealing that a number have elected to stay home with their families.
The club is due to travel to Queensland to continue the season on Monday, though a number of Tigers have informed Balme and coach Damien Hardwick that they would like to remain in Victoria.
It comes as Balme also revealed that a select group of younger Richmond prospects also wouldn't travel to Queensland for the foreseeable future and would instead remain at home to further their development.
The reigning premiers are due to play Sydney at the Gabba next week, before facing North Melbourne at Metricon Stadium in round seven as Victorian teams are forced interstate to deal with a fixture heavily impacted by the global COVID-19 pandemic.
"There's a couple (of senior players) that won't go," Balme told radio station 3AW.
"We'll probably make a decision on some of our younger guys. There are a few guys who are unlikely to get a game … we'd almost be wasting their time going up.
"We think we'll leave them back here with some coaches so that they can get genuine one-on-one improvement. Later in the season, they'll be able to make a difference … rather than almost making the numbers up.
"When we're on the Gold Coast, we'll be focused on winning game after game after game and you won't be doing as much development of the players who aren't going to play. We'll do that down here with them.
"All of that is a bit of a challenge. Things probably will change as we go along. As we've seen over the last few weeks, what you've thought is going to happen tomorrow sometimes doesn't happen tomorrow because things do change with it.
"We need to be flexible with all of that."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/461857/experienced-tigers-and-young-cubs-snub-hub
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Ch 7 just said Richmond will be staying at the Royal Pines resort on the Gold Coast.
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so there is no 14 day quarantine for us and any other team in any other state in the country. is that right?
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so there is no 14 day quarantine for us and any other team in any other state in the country. is that right?
We have to remain in our Qld hub for 14 days quarantine but can play other clubs during that period.
Queensland premier Ms Palaszczuk said all players and staff would undergo a 14-day quarantine after arriving in the state, although teams within the Queensland bubble would be able to play each other before that.
South Australia ruled itself out of the running to host a hub in the state, imposing a 14-day quarantine period for any teams coming back from playing a Victoria-based side. Mr Wade added that any South Australian team that played a Victorian team would have to quarantine for 14 days before returning to South Australia — regardless of where that match took place.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-03/coronavirus-afl-season-queensland-host-six-melbourne-sides/12419370
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Any confirmation on exactly who is staying behind besides the Hpuli, Edwards & the injured players?
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Off to the Hub:
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC
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More pics:
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https://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202020%20Media%20-%20AFL%20Teams%20Continue%20to%20Depart%20for%20AFL%20Hubs
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Ch 7 just said Richmond will be staying at the Royal Pines resort on the Gold Coast.
We are staying here
https://www.kdvsport.com/accomodation/
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I wish i was there. Melbourne is garbage in the depths of winter.
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Any confirmation on exactly who is staying behind besides the Hpuli, Edwards & the injured players?
No confirmation yet of the cubs but I'd guess it wouldn't be too many given our outs. Perhaps only Ralphsmith as Biggie, Cumberland and Martyn were injured anyway.
Garth and Eggy were on the flight. I'd presume Miller is going as well.
The club just tweeted that Prestia and Nank are staying in Melbourne to recover from their injuries.
Edwards and Houli are obviously staying for family reasons.
Is Astbury staying as well given he will miss at least 4 more weeks anyway?
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I think Prestia and Nank should have gone and rehabbed in queensland.
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I think Prestia and Nank should have gone and rehabbed in queensland.
Let’s see what happens post the surgery.
If it’s of Jack Ross proportion from 2019, there is no point...
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Astbury is staying in Melb
Players have to be on QLD by midnight to fall under the special exemption they've been given by the QLD govt
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So who ISN’T going?
David Astbury
Dion Prestia
Toby Nankervis
Shane Edwards
Bachar Houli
Dow?
Soldo?
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So who ISN’T going?
David Astbury
Dion Prestia
Toby Nankervis
Shane Edwards
Bachar Houli
Dow?
Soldo?
Soldo and Dow were on the plane
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I'm sure I seen meatball on that plane.
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They had footage tonight of DTL Dave walking to the bus.
Not going are:
Edwards
Houli
Prestia
Nank
Biggy
Martyn
Cumberland
Apart from Edwards and Houli the rest are LT injured
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Enjoy the weather boys.
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Punt Road ➡️ Gold Coast. Hub life begins... 🐯🏠 #gotiges
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1280361296391573509
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Day ✌️ in the hub. #gotiges
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1280679947216941056
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Second wave has begun...season to be canned within a month... :shh
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Second wave has begun...season to be canned within a month... :shh
2nd Wave?
Where? Other than our humble state of Victoria
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You reckon they've contained it here? They've already stuffed up and let an infected kid into NSW after they got his test results mixed up and there was another stuff up again at Sydney Airport today where they let passengers from a Melbourne flight through unchecked...also new cases in the ACT for the first time in months..... :shh
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Caro last night on Footy Classified said Richmond has only taken 33 players up to the hub.
She also said players left behind will be allowed to join the hub sooner given the AFL is considering compressing the next month of the season after round 7 by having 4 matches in 3 weeks. Clubs will need more of their players.
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Iso haircuts are back
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1281061253746548738
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Sounds like they are trying to get the rest of the squad up to Qld including Bachar and his family. After being told by the AFL there would be no scratch matches whilst in the hub the AFL has now changed their mind and allowing them. What an absolute cluster.
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While some players, most notably Jack Riewoldt, have been critical of their "shoebox" accommodations up north, Gil McLachlan said he has heard the exact opposite.
"I don't know what Jack Riewoldt's saying but everyone I've spoken to directly and the vast majority of the players, they think it's amazing," he said.
"I've gotten great feedback from the clubs.
"Speaking to the WA and Adelaide clubs, they're in a great rhythm and having a great time."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/gillon-mclachlan-responds-to-sydney-afl-grand-final-option/1dac9d48-a5ff-49ad-a60a-06aaf7f29d49
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Why is Jack captain? At the moment, if he is complaining about the accomodation as well, he’s a liability to the side - on and off field.
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Why is Jack captain? At the moment, if he is complaining about the accomodation as well, he’s a liability to the side - on and off field.
He is captain because he is our vice captain.
Who else is there?
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Why is Jack captain? At the moment, if he is complaining about the accomodation as well, he’s a liability to the side - on and off field.
He is captain because he is our vice captain.
Who else is there?
Someone who puts his team above his personal welfare in public?
It’s ridiculous that he keeps complaining.
That’s if he’s whining about the size of the rooms in the accomodation. That tipped me over the edge.
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surely he didnt complain abut that?
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surely he didnt complain abut that?
I watched the enitre0 interview
He made a comment about it but it took as totally tongue in cheek
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Why aren’t we at a “resort” like “other clubs”?
Are we disadvantaged because of this?
Was it out decision or the AFL.?
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surely he didnt complain abut that?
I watched the enitre0 interview
He made a comment about it but it took as totally tongue in cheek
He should probably read the play and save his “jokes” for other subject matters - surely he’s smart enough to know the media will latch onto it. God knows he does enough media to work out how they think ::)
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Caro also said the AFL has set up & booked for as long as needed 4 high performance centres on the Gold Coast. They'll include room for more players for us to go up along with staff and families. If I heard Caro right the latter will stay in a hotel such as the Royal Palm. Unlikely the players will come home now after their 32 days is up.
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We'll be up in the hub for at the next 6 weeks if not far longer.
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Ch 7 said clubs will hub now to at least to August 17.
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Whateley and Barrett saying Vic clubs will be up in Qld for the rest of the H/A season.
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Gil in his presser just now:
Qld to be the base for the competition.
Clubs to be up in Qld for up to next 10 weeks which equates to end of H/A season.
Partners/Families allowed to go up. They will spend initial 14 days in a separate transition hub before joining players.
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These hubs are costing the AFL northwards of $3m a week.
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Disastrous financial situation for all clubs and the afl. Theres going to be massive red ink everywhere this year.
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AFL 2020: Victorian clubs move to Queensland confirmed in fixture reveal
AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has confirmed the league is making an unprecedented mass migration to Queensland.
AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has confirmed Brisbane is the new home of football with Victoria’s clubs to call Queensland home for the rest of the 2020 regular season.
With all 10 Victoria-based clubs last week escaping Victoria before the border with NSW was shut, the league confirmed today that the clubs were now facing 10 weeks on the road.
On a dramatic day for the AFL, McLachlan confirmed:
• The rest of the home and away season will not include any more matches in Victoria, unless there is a dramatic change in the state’s alarming coronavirus transmissions
• The next 11 rounds of the season will need to be squeezed into a nine week window before the start of the finals series
• Tasmania and the Northern Territory could host matches
• Teams based in Perth and Adelaide have special exemptions to continue to fly in and fly out of Queensland on the day of games
• The MCG remains the likely venue to host the 2020 AFL grand final; and
• Each Victorian club setting up camp in Queensland will be allowed a combined 100 players and staff inside the Queensland bubble.
“The clear plan is to make Queensland the base for our competition,” McLachlan said.
“We are not able to announce fixtures yet. We are still working through the final details, their (AFLPA) support has been fantastic.
“We will continue to keep our game alive for fans, for clubs and the jobs. We persevere.”
The league does not have any matches scheduled beyond July 27 after it was only able to lock-in matches for Round 8 in a fixture announcement last week.
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The AFL earlier confirmed Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s statement that more Victorian clubs and hundreds of players were moving to Queensland.
The league confirmed eight of the 10 Victorian clubs would call Queensland home, while two more would be based in Perth.
AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan confirmed Victorian clubs would move to Queensland.Source:AAP
The Sydney Swans and GWS Giants will also be forced north at some stage as a result of the rising number of coronavirus cases recorded in Sydney this week.
Before McLachlan’s Wednesday press conference, reports revealed the wives and families of players would be allowed to travel with the teams as they faced an extended period living away from home.
The family members will also be held to the same strict biosecurity protocols that players have agreed to as part of the bubbles that have isolated players from the general public in recent weeks. That includes a 14-day quarantine period after arriving in Queensland.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-victorian-clubs-move-to-queensland-confirmed-in-fixture-reveal/news-story/17057d580da8f200b28da3f28e6afe96
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Caro just said we along with Essendon & Melbourne will get first preference to add to their squad given all have smaller squads up there. That means Nank & Prestia will head up and do their rehab in Qld.
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I wonder if Shedda and Bachar will eventually make their way up?
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I wonder if Shedda and Bachar will eventually make their way up?
I would think with Bachar's mother in ICU in the fight of her life with #COVID19 that he won't be going anytime soon
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I wonder if Shedda and Bachar will eventually make their way up?
I would think with Bachar's mother in ICU in the fight of her life with #COVID19 that he won't be going anytime soon
But he would not be allowed to visit her nor enter the hospital she is in, so it wouldn't matter where he was
The biggest thing would be the emotional affect on him.
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Prestia & Nank heading to the hub....
From the AFL Website
Richmond is now set to call in the reinforcements following Wednesday's news that all Victorian sides would be based interstate for the remainder of the home and away season due, with Dion Prestia and Toby Nankervis set to fly to Queensland on Friday.
The two premiership stars are both dealing with syndesmosis injuries, but will complete their rehabilitation processes in the Queensland hub to ensure they have served their COVID-19 quarantine period once they sufficiently recover.
However, Shane Edwards and Bachar Houli – who have remained in Victoria for family reasons – as well as several other younger squad members, will remain away from the side as per the club's initial plan.
"We've decided to leave those other seven players back home," Hardwick said.
"Obviously, the personal situations of Shane Edwards and Bachar Houli … they're not available to come up at this stage. We'd prefer to get some training into those guys, with the possibility of coming up at a later date.
"We'll also get some terrific coaching and training into those younger players that we've left behind. We're going to stick with that strategy, but that will change as the circumstances do change.
"But, at the moment, we've got 35 players up here and we'll continue to do that while having that hub back in Melbourne where we'll invest in the seven players we've left behind."
Richmond will still be without captain Trent Cotchin (hamstring) and key defender David Astbury (knee) for this week's clash with North Melbourne, with the Tigers set to take a cautious approach to their returns due to the condensed fixture that is awaiting teams.
full article:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/465510/-out-of-line-dimma-apologises-to-horse-after-mrs-hardwick-backlash
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Which youngsters were left behind ?.
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Ch 7 just said Richmond's partners & kids flew up to Qld today.
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Nank & Prestia also flew up today. Nank was walking unaided at the airport but Dion had crutches. They are going use the quarantine period to continue their rehab. Prestia said he hopes to start running again once quarantine is over.
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Dunno why they're trying to get these blokes back just for a stupid asterisk flag that could still be cancelled anyway...same goes for Cotchin & Astbury...give 'em the rest of the year off.... :shh
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Forgot to say both were wearing a moon boot.
Nank said they've been told it's a 4 to 8 week injury.
Dion said his is not as bad as he first feared. He'll be back before the end of the season.
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Higgo said yesterday was their first day out of quarantine.
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Richmond's Queensland hub floods
The Tigers woke up to knee high water surrounding their resort this morning ...
source: Geelong Advertiser
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Houli is flying up to our hub on Thursday. It will mean he will be eligible to return to play against Gold Coast in round 12.
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Star Tigers duo to return to hub
Caroline Wilson reveals that Bachar Houli and Shane Edwards are set to reunite with their Richmond teammates in the coming weeks Caroline Wilson reveals that Bachar Houli and Shane Edwards are set to reunite with their Richmond teammates in the coming weeks
https://wwos.nine.com.au/videos/afl/star-tigers-duo-to-return-to-hub/ckd4ngirc002s0gmwg0rx31q1
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Houli said his mum is doing much better. Flew up to Qld today.
Source: 7news
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The short cut to footy's survival
Ashley Browne
AFL Record Rounds 10-11
4 August 2020
When the story of the remarkable and historic 2020 season is written, the move to play shorter quarters will likely be hailed as the most significant.
It's a decision that pre-dates the game being shut down at the start of the season.
It was mandated in the playing rules for 2020 back in March, when COVID-19 loomed on the horizon and a season stoppage appeared likely, but not certain.
The reduction from 20-minute to 16-minute quarters has allowed players to recover more quickly between games.
It has been a game-changer, particularly during this 'football frenzy' with matches every day and clubs playing regularly off four and five-day breaks.
Richmond high-performance manager Peter Burge told the AFL Record that the shorter quarters, which pretty much amount to a 20 per cent reduction in playing time, has aided players in their recovery between games.
"All their numbers suggest that by day three after thre previous game they feel pretty good," he said.
In many instances, teams are replacing their main, high-intensity training for the week with games.
High-performance managers have become among the most critically important people in the game as it manoeuvers through this difficult period.
Ultimately, the calls on which players can back up for multiple games in a short period rests with them.
They're the ones collating the information, which is a complex matrix of in-game data such as minutes played, the number of rotations and distances covered, with all sorts of off-field wellness measurements that take into account elements such as sleep, diet and recovery.
It also takes some honesty from the players.
"It comes out in the conversations and the numbers from the data and what they're reporting medically," Burge said.
The relocation of the Victorian clubs to Queensland has been a bonus. The Tigers are located at KDV Sport, a complex in Southport that Burge likened to a "mini AIS (Australian Institute of Sport)".
Everything they need for high performance, including a top-ranked dhef, is at their disposal.
The team was supposed to move elsewhere after a week, but the players successfully lobbied to stay there.
"The warmer climate helps and perhaps that's why they're recovering more quickly," Burge said. "It does appear that our training sessions up here have been really, really good and the weather impact, with the blue skies, the temperature and the weather adds to the mental side of things."
The downside is that the players cannot escape the club or football.
The Tigers enjoy limited movement outside their accommodation and their families are on their way to joining them, but as Burge noted, pretty much wherever they go, they're surrounded by other Richmond people.
"In Melbourne on your day off, you're not seeing anyone else from the footy club. You can really switch off. Here it's more of a challenge for everyone and it makes it a bit harder to get away from the football environment, so the mental side is challenging from that aspect."
But don't think for a moment the players feel harshly done by, nor expect any sympathy.
Knowing what's happening in their home state gives all those in the hubs the reality check they need.
"We understand to keep the game going, this is what we have to do and our families have been amazing in supporting that," he said.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/04/get-your-round-9-digital-afl-record/
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Booked my flights ages ago, rock up to the airport tonight and apparently there is some virus and I can't fly ??
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Booked my flights ages ago, rock up to the airport tonight and apparently there is some virus and I can't fly ??
My first laugh all day. 😁 :thumbsup
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Bachar Houli targets Monday clash with Gold Coast for first AFL game since Round 5
After completing quarantine in Queensland, Richmond star Bachar Houli has set a target date for his first AFL game since Round 5.
Houli was part of a second group of players, their partners and families — including staff members’ — and club officials who finished their 14-day required quarantine period on Thursday.
The two-time premiership defender has been absent from the Tigers since Round 5 when he chose to stay in Victoria for the birth of his third child.
With his young family also in Queensland, Houli took part in his first training session outside of quarantine on Thursday - having kept himself fit with some Richmond younger players flown with him to the Gold Coast in the AFL established isolation hub at the Mercure.
“Being with the boys in the first training feels like a kid going back to school for his first day,” he said.
“It’s great being back with the boys and on this incredible journey we are all on.”
Houli has said he was targeting Richmond’s Monday night game against Gold Coast as his return.
Toby Nankervis stepped up his recovery from a syndesmosis injury, training in one of the Tigers’ small groups on Thursday.
Ivan Soldo was running by himself.
Some Tigers players and staff members who have brought their families over are now staying at the Royal Pines - where Essendon and the Western Bulldogs are staying.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/bachar-houli-targets-monday-clash-with-gold-coast-for-first-afl-game-since-round-5-ng-9570d09a82cadf596f3ab5383337e8aa
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Brooke Cotchin's father, ex-Bulldog Rick Kennedy has come out on MMM and said Brooke was muzzled over the spa incident and that she got no support from the AFL and Richmond.
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Don't know the exact circumstances, but she needs take responsibility simple as that she knew the rules from day one.
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Brooke Cotchin's father, ex-Bulldog Rick Kennedy has come out on MMM and said Brooke was muzzled over the spa incident and that she got no support from the AFL and Richmond.
I heard it and sounds like he had her ok to say it. Needs to STFU. This wont go down well with either club or AFL
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Apparently Brooke threatened to leave the hub with Trent! :lol
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Is it possible that when the media are looking at every gesture from everyone at our club That the old man could of waited till the end of the season to make a statement about his daughter?
Why now before finals? Just stupid decisions in my opinion.
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This whole Cotchin thing is still bubbling along.
Wish people would STFU.
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Cotchin playing like a man possessed atm.....wants to snag one more flag before the missus makes him retire.... :shh
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:lol
Yep, one more before he retires to the doghouse for the remainder of his life.
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Why? Why? Why? Why?
Turn off your Twitter, leave instagram, bloody cancel facebook!
I’m not condoning anyone posting disgusting posts but if your on it and your getting abused why not make yourself private? Or just bloody delete the bloody thing.
Is it that important to be known or popular or to have fans or likes?
And why the heck did the Cochins agree to a bloody herald sun interview about her “mistake”? :banghead
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Why? Why? Why? Why?
Turn off your Twitter, leave instagram, bloody cancel facebook!
I’m not condoning anyone posting disgusting posts but if your on it and your getting abused why not make yourself private? Or just bloody delete the bloody thing.
Is it that important to be known or popular or to have fans or likes?
And why the heck did the Cochins agree to a bloody herald sun interview about her “mistake”? :banghead
it was also in yesterday’s Gold Coast Bulletin
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Apparently, Jane Gale, Benny's wife, has come out in defence of the Club.
Matty Lloyd said it's hard enough to win a flag let alone with these off-field distractions.
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To be honest I don't condone abuse , but gez get over it you screwed up wear it.Like I said club nothing to do with it.
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What support was Cotch’s missus expecting from the AFL and the club? Play by the rules and you can bring your family into the ‘team’ hub. Above all else, have some respect for your husband instead of taking advantage of his position and status.
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Pretty major f up by Brooke and her family. Exactly the wrong thing to do. Why pee all over the club and competition that is responsible for your very privileged lifestyle. Obviously not that bright
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Apparently, Jane Gale, Benny's wife, has come out in defence of the Club.
Matty Lloyd said it's hard enough to win a flag let alone with these off-field distractions.
Yes it is in today's HIM
Page 3
Haven't read it. Might bother later
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tiger-star-threatened-to-leave-afl-hub-alongside-wife-after-covid19-breach/news-story/c520b75ecc52bd4054d2b209c7cd49d5
Real Housewives of Punt Road.... :shh
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Really, who gives a toss about this. Media driven agenda once again. Stick it up em Tigers
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Is it fact that Cotchin was going to or his wife suggested it ?.In all honestly club should put her in her place and if she keeps going she can go back to Vic.
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Is it fact that Cotchin was going to or his wife suggested it ?.In all honestly club should put her in her place and if she keeps going she can go back to Vic.
By the club putting her in her place I presume you mean staying exactly where Mrs Cotchin currently is - SUPPORTING her husband in his endeavors to lead his team to a fourth straight finals campaign!
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Is it fact that Cotchin was going to or his wife suggested it ?.In all honestly club should put her in her place and if she keeps going she can go back to Vic.
By the club putting her in her place I presume you mean staying exactly where Mrs Cotchin currently is - SUPPORTING her husband in his endeavors to lead his team to a fourth straight finals campaign!
No I don't mean that this issue was done and dusted why they dragged it out again is the question no ones bigger then the club and nothing to do with our club this issue fullstop.If she doesn't like the hub rules and keeps at it send her home it's a distraction.
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Is it fact that Cotchin was going to or his wife suggested it ?.In all honestly club should put her in her place and if she keeps going she can go back to Vic.
By the club putting her in her place I presume you mean staying exactly where Mrs Cotchin currently is - SUPPORTING her husband in his endeavors to lead his team to a fourth straight finals campaign!
No I don't mean that this issue was done and dusted why they dragged it out again is the question no ones bigger then the club and nothing to do with our club this issue fullstop.If she doesn't like the hub rules and keeps at it send her home it's a distraction.
Have you read the full article?
Often reading just the headline gives a vastly different slant (deliberately so) in order to generate the clicks /sell the paper. There is absolutely nothing in the article to suggest Mrs Cotchin doesn't like the hub rules, in fact there is understanding and support for both the AFL and Richmond.
Most parents (no matter how old their children are) will hurt when they are hurting and try to defend them as much as possible. This appears to be what Rick Kennedy did when answering questions on MMM. He also states his comments are his and not coming from Trent or Brooke Cotchin. Mrs Gale defended her husband when she was asked about Rick Kennedy's comments. Again totally understandable human behaviour.
Mrs Cotchin made an inadvertent error - there was no law broken, rather afl hub protocol- and as much as people would like to throw dirt at her for that error, there were 4 other inadvertent errors around the same time including Nathan Buckley. Mrs Cotchin has taken full ownership of the error, issued a public apology and has had to bear the brunt of the disgusting abuse hurled her way. I was always taught while you may not like the person, you still respect the position they hold. Mrs Cotchin is the wife of our two time premiership skipper and the mother of their children.
Has anyone stopped to wonder why Richmond are getting so much seemingly negative press? Reigning premiers for the second time in three years, 100000 members for the third straight year, tight knit group that other clubs are trying to emulate and other players talk about, an incredible club culture of embracing the imperfections. Richmond are seen as a massive threat, not just in the premiership race but in defining the attitudes of professional sporting organisations. The coaches and playing group won't be buying into the campaign to douse the light, they'll continue to do just as they have been doing, making the most of this year's extraordinary circumstances and support each other to be the best they can be in whatever they are doing be it on field or off.
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Have you read the full article?
Often reading just the headline gives a vastly different slant (deliberately so) in order to generate the clicks /sell the paper. There is absolutely nothing in the article to suggest Mrs Cotchin doesn't like the hub rules, in fact there is understanding and support for both the AFL and Richmond.
Most parents (no matter how old their children are) will hurt when they are hurting and try to defend them as much as possible. This appears to be what Rick Kennedy did when answering questions on MMM. He also states his comments are his and not coming from Trent or Brooke Cotchin. Mrs Gale defended her husband when she was asked about Rick Kennedy's comments. Again totally understandable human behaviour.
Mrs Cotchin made an inadvertent error - there was no law broken, rather afl hub protocol- and as much as people would like to throw dirt at her for that error, there were 4 other inadvertent errors around the same time including Nathan Buckley. Mrs Cotchin has taken full ownership of the error, issued a public apology and has had to bear the brunt of the disgusting abuse hurled her way. I was always taught while you may not like the person, you still respect the position they hold. Mrs Cotchin is the wife of our two time premiership skipper and the mother of their children.
Has anyone stopped to wonder why Richmond are getting so much seemingly negative press? Reigning premiers for the second time in three years, 100000 members for the third straight year, tight knit group that other clubs are trying to emulate and other players talk about, an incredible club culture of embracing the imperfections. Richmond are seen as a massive threat, not just in the premiership race but in defining the attitudes of professional sporting organisations. The coaches and playing group won't be buying into the campaign to douse the light, they'll continue to do just as they have been doing, making the most of this year's extraordinary circumstances and support each other to be the best they can be in whatever they are doing be it on field or off.
Well said
But you want to know what stood out to me?
This:
"I was always taught while you may not like the person, you still respect the position they hold."
Why, because right now this just doesn't and isn't happening when it should. It certainly hasn't happened here.
And before the inevitable whacks start, I have copped an almighty hammering, vitriolic abuse on a specific social media platform for saying the exact same thing. But sometimes it isn't about the person it is about the position
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Lets stop beating around the bush here.
We have a self entitled WAG that feels like she is doing the AFL a massive favour by relocating from her mansion in Melb to be with her husband in Qld. She is also I expect high maintenance.
The fact that she has been excluded from a chat group involving the other players wives says it all.
This has the potential to derail our season because when the WAGs are unhappy you can guarantee that will impact on their partners.
She needs to put on the 1st plane home and if the Captain decides to go with her so be it.
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Lets stop beating around the bush here.
We have a self entitled WAG that feels like she is doing the AFL a massive favour by relocating from her mansion in Melb to be with her husband in Qld. She is self entitled and I expect high maintenance.
The fact that she has been excluded from a chat group involving the other players wives says it all.
This has the potential to derail our season because when the WAGs are unhappy you can guarantee that will impact on their partners.
She needs to put on the 1st plane home and if the Captain decides to go with her so be it.
This
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I hear she wears the pants alright. High maintenance indeed.
Even if that's not the case, 'influencers' make me sick, especially when they attach to a bigger figure in the first place.
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I hear she wears the pants alright. High maintenance indeed.
Even if that's not the case, 'influencers' make me sick, especially when they attach to a bigger figure in the first place.
Agree - do you think the kids want to be part of the influencing process that these people leverage from? Thats the sickening part. They thrust the kids front and centre with no care for their wellbeing down the track.
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Caro saying there will be more developments on the Richmond spa saga on Footy Classified tonight.
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Fill us in who ever watches it thanks.
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Caro claims Jane Gale commented via email to the journo without Benny or the Club's knowledge. That she reacted emotionally to what she saw as criticism of Benny and the club he runs. Benny was going to let Rick Kennedy's comments slide.
Club internally rejects the claim they didn't support the Cotchins and muzzled Brooke.
Cotch never threatened to leave though. He only suggested if it was considered the best thing to do. Benny & Dimma obviously said it was not and he was needed in the team.
Caro added that clearly people have struggled in the hubs and it's caused ppl to do odd things. The whole episode is just ppl getting over-emotional.
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Lets stop beating around the bush here.
We have a self entitled WAG that feels like she is doing the AFL a massive favour by relocating from her mansion in Melb to be with her husband in Qld. She is also I expect high maintenance.
The fact that she has been excluded from a chat group involving the other players wives says it all.
This has the potential to derail our season because when the WAGs are unhappy you can guarantee that will impact on their partners.
She needs to put on the 1st plane home and if the Captain decides to go with her so be it.
100% correct she's not bigger then the club and our captain needs to put his foot down.
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100% correct she's not bigger then the club and our captain needs to put his foot down.
Seriously?
Like it was in the good old days? Say the 1940s or 1950s?
Not sure what you mean to be honest "needs to put his foot down"?
Supporting his wife and family or the footy club? :huh :-\
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I understand the point WP albeit not the same these days. Cotchin certainly needs to have a chat with her though and tell her the priority is team and club harmony and any personal issues or grievances need to be put aside for the betterment of team. Going by her Dads comments she hasn't listened if this chat has been held. In which case the point needs to be made again and the consequences of not getting on the bus very clear
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I just think everyone at the club should avoid airing dirty linen - father in laws included.
It’s really none of our business anyway so why make it our business but putting it our there for public consumption?
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Cotchin considered leaving hub for home: Hardwick
By Jon Pierik
The Age
September 1, 2020 — 3.10pm
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has confirmed Trent Cotchin considered quitting the Tigers' Brisbane hub but has praised his leadership and declared his captain is playing his best football since he retrospectively claimed the 2012 Brownlow Medal.
The Tigers have regularly been in the headlines - some bizarre - through this compressed AFL season but have managed to remained focused on the field to the point they are now outright favourites with the bookies to win back-to-back premierships.
Cotchin, wife Brooke and their three young children had struggled to adjust to life in their Queensland hub at one stage, with the skipper even considering returning to Melbourne with his family. Hardwick and chief executive Brendon Gale, the latter having returned to Brisbane on Tuesday, were in on the discussion and insist Cotchin never delivered an ultimatum.
"There was a conversation at one stage. Trent, as a family man, will always do what is best for his family. I think as a club we are very much aligned to those values," Hardwick said on Tuesday.
"We won't ask a person to put themselves above their family. Trent had some decisions to make and he was very supportive of his family as we are supportive of Trent.
"The reality is, you sort of look at the conditions we are in, we are very fortunate to be in better conditions than most of Victoria, but probably 90 per cent of the people up here at some stage have gone: 'Look, it's hard'. I probably think about going home. But the reality is, Trent stuck fat, his family stuck fat, he has been incredible up here and we are incredibly supportive of both of them."
Brooke had been the subject of vile social media posts for an AFL COVID-19 breach in July, having been caught after she posted an image of her visit to a day spa on the Gold Coast. This resulted in a $45,000 fine for the Tigers, with $25,000 suspended. The Cotchins have offered to pay the fine.
There has been more drama since, including Brooke's father, former Footscray defender Rick Kennedy, taking aim at the club and the AFL for the way they had handled the controversy in not allowing Brooke to "go public and take responsibility". The AFL and Tigers deny this.
Trent has also been the subject of "nasty" online attacks but through this has been in stellar on-field touch, particularly since returning from a hamstring injury. He is averaging 19.5 touches per game, and had 26 against premiership fancy West Coast last week, earning nine of a possible 10 votes in the AFL Coaches' Association player of the year award.
Jobe Watson won the Brownlow in 2012 but had it stripped in 2016 as a result of the supplements saga. It was handed to joint runners-up Cotchin and Sam Mitchell.
Cotchin plays a different role to what he did eight years ago and is averaging eight less touches per game but his ability to influence contests is as great, if not greater.
"I think he has had his best year since his Brownlow year. Every good game he has played, he has just been incredible for us," Hardwick said.
"We have changed his role a little but what we have seen is him at his very best. He is such a damaging player. He leads by example. He is a wonderful leader on and off the field. He is an inspiration to our footy club. He has done it tough up at here at stages but I look at the way he has led this football club. I get a little bit emotional talking about this guy because of what him and his family bring to us.
"There is no doubt he is a big reason to where we are now. His leadership on and the off the field has been incredible."
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/cotchin-considered-leaving-hub-for-home-hardwick-20200901-p55r99.html
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Is it fact that Cotchin was going to or his wife suggested it ?.In all honestly club should put her in her place and if she keeps going she can go back to Vic.
By the club putting her in her place I presume you mean staying exactly where Mrs Cotchin currently is - SUPPORTING her husband in his endeavors to lead his team to a fourth straight finals campaign!
No I don't mean that this issue was done and dusted why they dragged it out again is the question no ones bigger then the club and nothing to do with our club this issue fullstop.If she doesn't like the hub rules and keeps at it send her home it's a distraction.
Have you read the full article?
Often reading just the headline gives a vastly different slant (deliberately so) in order to generate the clicks /sell the paper. There is absolutely nothing in the article to suggest Mrs Cotchin doesn't like the hub rules, in fact there is understanding and support for both the AFL and Richmond.
Most parents (no matter how old their children are) will hurt when they are hurting and try to defend them as much as possible. This appears to be what Rick Kennedy did when answering questions on MMM. He also states his comments are his and not coming from Trent or Brooke Cotchin. Mrs Gale defended her husband when she was asked about Rick Kennedy's comments. Again totally understandable human behaviour.
Mrs Cotchin made an inadvertent error - there was no law broken, rather afl hub protocol- and as much as people would like to throw dirt at her for that error, there were 4 other inadvertent errors around the same time including Nathan Buckley. Mrs Cotchin has taken full ownership of the error, issued a public apology and has had to bear the brunt of the disgusting abuse hurled her way. I was always taught while you may not like the person, you still respect the position they hold. Mrs Cotchin is the wife of our two time premiership skipper and the mother of their children.
Has anyone stopped to wonder why Richmond are getting so much seemingly negative press? Reigning premiers for the second time in three years, 100000 members for the third straight year, tight knit group that other clubs are trying to emulate and other players talk about, an incredible club culture of embracing the imperfections. Richmond are seen as a massive threat, not just in the premiership race but in defining the attitudes of professional sporting organisations. The coaches and playing group won't be buying into the campaign to douse the light, they'll continue to do just as they have been doing, making the most of this year's extraordinary circumstances and support each other to be the best they can be in whatever they are doing be it on field or off.
:clapping
Ed: Fixed quoting
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Lets stop beating around the bush here.
We have a self entitled WAG that feels like she is doing the AFL a massive favour by relocating from her mansion in Melb to be with her husband in Qld. She is also I expect high maintenance.
The fact that she has been excluded from a chat group involving the other players wives says it all.
This has the potential to derail our season because when the WAGs are unhappy you can guarantee that will impact on their partners.
She needs to put on the 1st plane home and if the Captain decides to go with her so be it.
Is this true? How do we know this?
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What is Richmond’s record at The Gabba over the last 10 years and at Metricon?
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Given our record over the Lions you would have to assume it is pretty darn good
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Best possible result for us having the grand final firstly at the Gabba where we have a great record and secondly that it’s at night as we play humid/wet conditions better than anyone else.
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This could be the greatest premiership of all.
If we, on the way to the flag, beat WCE in Perth, Port in Adelaide and Brisbane at the Gabba.
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What is Richmond’s record at The Gabba over the last 10 years and at Metricon?
11 straight wins at the Gabba. Last lost way back in 2004.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames_vn.html#20
8 straight wins at Metricon. Last lost in 2014.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames_vn.html#32
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News report apparently on Sen that Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman Jones we’re allegedly involved in a brawl outside a strip club on the Gold Coast.
Just now on SEN.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.couriermail.com.au/coronavirus/richmond-players-caught-up-in-brawl-outside-gold-coast-strip-club/news-story/415a98d461f12ae7bc936dda1e17b348
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This makes Mrs Cotchins spa visit saga negligible.
I don’t understand then why it was a big deal that players and wags in the hub had to keep within the hub then why are players allowed to go to strip clubs? Im not sure they attended the strip club because I can’t access the article because of the paywall.
Have the restrictions on players been eased? I didn’t know this was the case
Does anyone have clarity on this?
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This makes Mrs Cotchins spa visit saga negligible.
I don’t understand then why it was a big deal that players and wags in the hub had to keep within the hub then why are players allowed to go to strip clubs?
Have the restrictions on players been eased? I didn’t know this was the case
Does anyone have clarity on this?
They're not allowed. If this is true, they would have been breaking hub protocols. May as well rule them out for the season.
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what stuffin losers
this is a bloody disgrace if true. CCJ can stuff off now and stack you silly stuff can also too
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Update: some are saying that the strip joint is inside the hub. ?
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If the restrictions were breached does that mean that the whole richmond team have to isolate for 2 weeks? Does that mean we forfeit the Geelong game if we can’t field a team?
If anyone has access to the article can give some clarity.
Look maybe they were innocently walking past and just happened to get caught up in something that had nothing to do with them. It easily could be that simple so let’s not jump to conclusions just yet until we know actually what happened but if it is true this may stuff the whole season for the club we might as well withdraw.
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Update: some are saying that the strip joint is inside the hub. ?
Are the wags getting bored?
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/breaking-tigers-stars-in-brawl-outside-gold-coast-strip-club/news-story/f0e7ad7594cecc4080bb1a2b78637c53
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you would think the club were called and and made sure these 2 never saw anyone within the hub this morning.
if they did we are screwed.
is balmey still up there or what?
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is balmey still up there or what?
Balmey has never been up in QLD
Unless he went up on Tuesady he is in Melbourne
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If the restrictions were breached does that mean that the whole richmond team have to isolate for 2 weeks? Does that mean we forfeit the Geelong game if we can’t field a team?
If anyone has access to the article can give some clarity.
Look maybe they were innocently walking past and just happened to get caught up in something that had nothing to do with them. It easily could be that simple so let’s not jump to conclusions just yet until we know actually what happened but if it is true this may stuff the whole season for the club we might as well withdraw.
The reports suggest they were evicted from the strip club.
Don't think they were just innocently walking by. lol.
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Trade both these halfwits.. :shh
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BREAKING: Tigers players in wild brawl outside Gold Coast strip club, face $100k fine
September 4, 2020 11:48am
Tom Morris
Source: FOX SPORTS
GOLD COAST - The AFL is investigating a matter involving Tigers Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones on Thursday night.
Foxfooty.com.au has confirmed the league is aware of an alleged altercation outside a Gold Coast strip club where the Courier Mail is reporting the duo were involved in a fight after being evicted.
It is understood the fight took place metres from a police station with officers called to the scene.
It is a clear breach of AFL COVID-19 protocols for players or coaches to attend bars, restaurants or other confined public spaces.
AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan and Richmond CEO Brendon Gale were locked in discussions on Friday morning in the quarantine hub.
If found guilty, Richmond could be fined up to $100,000 and both players would face suspensions.
It would be the Tigers second breach since the AFL introduced strict return to play protocols in July.
The $25,000 suspended fine handed down after Brooke Cotchin attended a day spa would need to be paid, plus a further $75,000 for a second breach.
The full financial amount would be taken out of Richmond‘s 2021 soft cap, which is set to be reduced from more than $9million to just over $6million.
Stack has played nine senior games this year, while Coleman-Jones hasn’t featured in 2020 but played on match in 2019.
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is in the AFL’s transition hub on the Gold Coast, as are AFL executives Gillon McLachlan and Andrew Dillon.
It’s unclear whether Gale will address the media on Thursday or await the AFL’s investigation to conclude first.
The AFL released its updated protocols on July 31, stipulating the financial penalties for first and second breaches.
A third breach would see the AFL Commission have the power to impose any sanction it sees fit on a discretionary basis. It could lead to loss of draft picks, premiership points and even bigger financial sanctions.
Richmond has become aware of a breach of AFL Covid-19 protocol by two of its players, in the early hours of Friday morning.
The Club immediately reported the breach of protocols to the AFL, and is working with the League to investigate the matter.
— Richmond FC 🐯🏆 (@Richmond_FC) September 4, 2020
“This strict regime is important for the AFL and the AFL Clubs to protect the health and safety of the community and to maintain the AFL’s social licence to continue the 2020 Toyota AFL Premiership Season in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic,” The AFL’s media release read in late July.
Richmond is one of 12 clubs which has committed a breach in 2020, but the only club to face a secondary fine.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/breaking-tigers-stars-in-brawl-outside-gold-coast-strip-club/news-story/f0e7ad7594cecc4080bb1a2b78637c53
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Two AFL players caught up in fight outside Gold Coast strip club
Joey Riordan
7News
4 September 2020 12:00 pm
Two Richmond Tigers players have been arrested after being involved in a fight outside Gold Coast strip club Hollywood Showgirls.
Teammates Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones sustained facial injuries in the altercation which occurred after they were kicked out of the establishment at around 3:30am on Friday morning .
The incident unfolded just metres away from a police station on the Gold Coast’s glitter strip.
“Police arrested two men following a disturbance in Surfers Paradise early this morning,” Queensland police said.
“Around 3.30am, officers responded to reports of two men, aged 20 and 21, involved in a physical altercation on Orchid Avenue.
“Both men sustained facial injuries as a result of the incident.
Callum Coleman-Jones of the Tigers in action during a Richmond Tigers AFL Intra Club match. Credit: Graham Denholm/Getty Images
“Further investigations are continuing into the matter.”
Both Stack and Coleman-Jones were issued infringement notices and have been banned from Gold Coast ‘safe night precincts’.
Meanwhile an AFL spokesperson said the league was “aware of the matter and currently investigating”.
Both players will now find themselves in hot water over a breach of the AFL’s biosecurity protocols.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/two-afl-players-caught-up-in-fight-outside-gold-coast-strip-club-c-1291765
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Tom Browne disputing the police charges.
The AFL and Richmond are investigating. I don’t believe there are police charges, at this stage. Stack and Coleman Jones are isolating in their rooms. Massive implications from a hub / covid protocols perspective.
Latest @7NewsMelbourne
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1301697722701942787
Sam Edmund on SEN just said charges haven't been laid (yet).
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Queensland Police statement:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhCNV-oU4AE_60N?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/QldPolice/status/1301695914235424768/photo/1
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Comment from the Club:
Richmond has become aware of a breach of AFL Covid-19 protocol by two of its players, in the early hours of Friday morning.
The Club immediately reported the breach of protocols to the AFL, and is working with the League to investigate the matter.
The Club is not in a position to comment further until the investigation is complete.
The players have been based inside the Club’s player hub on the Gold Coast having already undertaken a 14-day quarantine in July. They are not part of the current quarantine hub where AFL officials, players and family members are undertaking the required 14-day quarantine period.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC
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Trade both these halfwits.. :shh
Take it easy Dio.
Maybe send CCJ back to Vic but I wouldn’t be going crazy here.
Good players don’t grow on trees and if Callum is going to be the ruckman I hope he will be it would be stupid to get rid of him but fine and suspend him, support him and make him earn his spot in the future he will owe the club.
As for Sydney Stack Im not allowed to say anything because I have white privilege (BLM ✊🏾)
Seriously though, I would support him nonetheless and get him to earn his spot back after an obvious fine and suspension.
They’ve done a stupid thing. They haven’t killed anyone.
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is balmey still up there or what?
Balmey has never been up in QLD
Unless he went up on Tuesady he is in Melbourne
that is your problem right there.
anyone can dress it up as they like but the club has made a massive mistake in downgrading balmes role to some rubbish aflw crap.
His leadership around the place can never be underestimated
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Richmond will be handed a second offence breach. Will cost them a staffer or coach next year with a fine of up to $100K which goes into the footy cap. But surely CCJ and Stack have forfeited the right to play again this year.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun
Richmond's latest- & far more serious -COVID breach has rival clubs worried the AFL is going to lock them back down as per transition hub rules (no leaving hotel etc). Queensland Gov will also have a big say in it. This isn't a day spa visit or a hit of tennis with Alicia Molik.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1301710046275858438
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Stack was definitely in the kebab shop. Outside the adult club. See @7NewsMelbourne for updates and pictures. The approximate time was 3.20am
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne
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Stack ordered two lots of two kebabs. His card declined and he was quite aware according to the shop owner. Certainly not necessarily drunk according to shop owner
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1301711658734120960
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It appears from vision a drunk bloke repeatedly sets upon Jones.
Stack diffuses and attempts to contain the fight.
Tigers pair didn’t physically start it.
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1301712948415479810
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If they went out for a pie I'd be furious. Slightly less annoyed due to Kebabs being the reason. Kebabs are amazing.
Go the Tiges.
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Tigers pair about to face AFL integrity interview. Breach would involve uber use, strip club attendance, fight with police involvement, deceiving club, putting teammates at risk, putting the code at risk. Full box and dice really
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-faces-huge-penalty-for-covid-breach-after-two-players-arrested-on-gold-coast/news-story/5b603fb0b861278f31a9684fad1ef29
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun
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Depending on how true the reporting is I'd suspend both of them for 12 games (club imposed) next year.
Not sure if Stack is contracted.
They probably should both be sacked if we're serious
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that is your problem right there.
I hope that is just a poor typo on your part Frankie
You quote me and then typed "that is your problem right there"
Which implies it is MY problem >:(
No it's not, it is the Club's
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And regarding what's happened
Will wait until the investigations are complete
Will keep my views to myself for now
Now back to my Chinese food :shh
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is balmey still up there or what?
Balmey has never been up in QLD
Unless he went up on Tuesady he is in Melbourne
This has been our single biggest stuff up this year. Someone has needed to crack the whip multiple times and he hasn't been there to do it.
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that is your problem right there.
I hope that is just a poor typo on your part Frankie
You quote me and then typed "that is your problem right there"
Which implies it is MY problem >:(
No it's not, it is the Club's
I think thats the general "your", thats the way I read it not the specific your.
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that is your problem right there.
I hope that is just a poor typo on your part Frankie
You quote me and then typed "that is your problem right there"
Which implies it is MY problem >:(
No it's not, it is the Club's
haha not a typo, but your in a general sense. Definitely not directed personally at you WP :thumbsup
my point stands and to leave Balme out of the hub, at a time when a wiser head is required, is the worst decision i've seen from the club in years.
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Vision shows a drunk guy pestering CCJ who get up from sitting down to engage in a fight. Looks like Stack defended CCJ a few seconds later. Not great footage but you can see what happened.
Should not have been in this position but i am hopeful the club will support both players. Both are contracted next year and are worth supporting!
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Just heard on the 2pm news that club not only faces a fine but the loss of premiership points
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is balmey still up there or what?
Balmey has never been up in QLD
Unless he went up on Tuesady he is in Melbourne
that is your problem right there.
anyone can dress it up as they like but the club has made a massive mistake in downgrading balmes role to some rubbish aflw crap.
His leadership around the place can never be underestimated
Spot on. As I said yesterday a lot has gone wrong at our club since he was sidelined at the start of this year. He should have been in the hub from the start. Stupidity that he isn't
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Just heard on the 2pm news that club not only faces a fine but the loss of premiership points
The loss of points would be ridiculous. Fine yes but points...no way!
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https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/cctv-footages-emerges-of-afl-players-fight-outside-gold-coast-strip-club-c-1292148.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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is balmey still up there or what?
Balmey has never been up in QLD
Unless he went up on Tuesady he is in Melbourne
that is your problem right there.
anyone can dress it up as they like but the club has made a massive mistake in downgrading balmes role to some rubbish aflw crap.
His leadership around the place can never be underestimated
Spot on. As I said yesterday a lot has gone wrong at our club since he was sidelined at the start of this year. He should have been in the hub from the start. Stupidity that he isn't
what makes it worse, is that its probably over a game of aflw which beggars belief as that is the worst game in australian sport
certainly reeks of the same downgraded thing that was offered to balmey at the pies, which resulted in his departure.
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Seems they were not in the strip club after all, just had the munchies.
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Seems they were not in the strip club after all, just had the munchies.
does it really matter if they were or not?
unless your allowed to jump in an uber and grab a souvo they have made a big mistake and should be sent home.
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Perhaps the punishment should be CCJ & Stack sitting down and telling the 1-2 staff members that they've just lost their job thanks to a 3am kebab.
Normally this sort of stupid act would only have consequences for the player(s) involved. But not in these exceptional times. The Club will lose good loyal staff due to Cal & Syd's selfishness.
Or are Cal & Syd going to pay the $100k fine and play for peanuts next year?
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Seems they were not in the strip club after all, just had the munchies.
does it really matter if they were or not?
unless your allowed to jump in an uber and grab a souvo they have made a big mistake and should be sent home.
Agreed- just providing updates as the media does miss report constantly.
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The boys are innocent. Its a hatchet job by the media against the Tigers.
Its us against the rest. Everybody should realise thst by now.
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According to the shop owner, stack asked ‘for one of his famous kebabs.’ His eftpos didn’t work. So transferred the money. The two kebabs were ruined in the scuffle. So the tigers pair ordered two more post the fight
The vision helps piece what happened together. The biggest issues from the AFL perspective will be the hub breach, whether it compromises the entire side, the government’s position, and sanction
The AFL has previously put draft sanctions and premiership points on the table. As much as gale and Hardwick have worked very well to smooth things over. It’s an open secret the club has been difficult compared to other clubs. They’ve been fined already
A fine will hurt Richmond, but given it’s included in the footy soft cap, it will really ultimately cost the property steward or graduate physio their job. There is a strong argument for premiership points
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7
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https://mobile.twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1301744106863865857%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-8364985763689477492.ampproject.net%2F2008220050001%2Fframe.html
It seems according to the kebab owner that they were just innocently eating kebabs.
There are still some questions that need answering but if that’s all they did the bloke that accosted them should be dealt with.
Under AFL Covid rules if going to eat a kebab from a takeaway is a breach then so be it.
If not then all should be clearly explained.
If they went to the strip club then obviously that’s a problem. I dunno if eating takeaway is an issue no matter what time it is.
I don’t reckon we hang them just yet.
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Should the Tigers sack Stack and CCJ? The murky issue of talent giving players multiple chances gets in the way. But the "optics" for the AFL are horrible given the timing and the Tigers' hub issues add up.
My comment piece here on sending them home now: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-sydney-stack-and-callum-colemanjones-must-be-banned-for-season-after-fight-outside-strip-club/news-story/61515c198c4586f6c24529ba1870e68e
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun
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Morris: Put these arrogant Tigers on the next plane home. No ifs, buts or return tickets
Richmond
September 4, 2020 2:23pm
Tom Morris
Source: FOX SPORTS
GOLD COAST — Richmond must deal with Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones and the Surfers strip club fiasco as if it was preparing for a Grand Final: with certainty, precision and ruthless intent.
These young Tigers must be put on the next flight home, pending whatever consequences they face from the Gold Coast Police.
Their 3am punch-on was not only inexcusable, but patently defiant of clear AFL protocols that have been in place since July 31.
Round 15
Their stupidity had to be read to be believed, and even then it required a double take.
They deserve no sympathy and no second chances. I would ban them for 10 games each and force them to pay the fines themselves. Every last cent.
The pair may as well have walked up to Gillon McLachlan’s window in the quarantine hub, knocked on it and flipped him the bird, such was the belligerence and arrogance of their mistake.
Seriously, they punched on IN FRONT of the Surfers Paradise Police Station.
The AFL chief executive has every right to be filthy and it’s understood he is.
Richmond boss Brendon Gale should be just as angry.
Not only do the actions of Coleman-Jones and Stack put the entire AFL season in jeopardy (again), they also raise further unwanted questions about the Tigers in a season where their off-field form has sharply contrasted with their on-field form.
The club appears certain to be fined $100,000. A quarter of this was suspended from the last breach.
The other $75,000 should come straight out of the players’ pockets.
They acted like a law unto themselves and must pay the price.
The most unfortunate unintended consequence from Stack and Coleman-Jones attending a strip club and then getting into a fight when they were evicted at 3.30am relates to an innocent Richmond employee.
Consider these numbers: The AFL soft cap will drop by approximately 30 per cent for the 2021 season. It means roughly 30 per cent of coaches, analysts and physios will be let go across the league. It’s a brutal time.
But now Richmond has $100,000 less to spend for 2021, unless the club chooses to pay a heavy tax.
That’s someone’s job. It’s their livelihood. While that coach, analyst or physio was asleep on Thursday night, two foolish players were committing an offence unfathomable for any straight-thinking person.
Feel for the Richmond football staff members who are about to lose their jobs because the covid rules breach fine comes out of the soft cap
— Rob Harding (@robharding21) September 4, 2020
Unsurprisingly, AFL people inside the quarantine hub were aghast when the news dropped on Friday. It’s believed McLachlan and Gale had been deep in discussions all morning.
The Queensland Government has been incredibly patient and unbelievably welcoming to the AFL. The cosy relationship between Annastacia Palaszczuk and McLachlan has caused a stir in some circles, but it’s proved a mutually beneficial one so far. The Gabba will host the Grand Final next month.
Even though Stack and Coleman-Jones did not breach state COVID-19 guidelines as Elijah Taylor did in Perth a few weeks ago, they unequivocally did the wrong thing. Police were involved. Both have facial injuries.
For Stack, it could be a bitter pill to swallow. He was in trouble for disciplinary reasons last year and then got injured and missed the club’s premiership. This season, he could miss another flag for disciplinary reasons. It’s lucky both players have contracts for 2021, but even those deals must be at least called into question now.
Attention will soon turn to Ross Lyon’s old adage: “Challenge the behaviour but support the person.”
And fair enough, because welfare should never be dismissed.
But right now, both players should be hit with the harshest possible penalties.
No ifs, not buts and no return tickets to Queensland.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2020-richmond-strip-club-brawl-sydney-stack-callum-colemanjones-tigers-gillon-mclachlan-qld-bubble/news-story/b6f5881b2225ab291b93b24700757ced
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Tweet from the Queensland premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk:
AFL players caught breaking COVID rules should be sent home. Queensland won’t tolerate it. I know the AFL takes these issues seriously and will take appropriate action.
https://twitter.com/AnnastaciaMP
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Is it confirmed they went to the strip club? Or is it purely speculation since the kebab shop was near the strip club?
I don’t think it is confirmed they went to see boobs but only wanted to eat tasty meat.
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They shouldn't be out that's the issue fullstop both returning from injury to stupidity.I agree our biggest mistake was not bringing a calm head up there like Bamy who so good at running the club to many incidents for my liking.
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I dont think they breached covid rules. Theres no curfew in queensland.
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Is it confirmed they went to the strip club? Or is it purely speculation since the kebab shop was near the strip club?
I don’t think it is confirmed they went to see boobs but only wanted to eat tasty meat.
Either way they breached quarantine by going outside the hub and being around people outside the bubble.
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According to fox sports they arent in breach of covid 19 rules.
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Think they mean they arnt breaching government rules which was the case for that young swans player but they still breached AFL quarantine rules.
Don’t know why these journos keep talking about premiership points. AFL statement was clear that point deduction would only come into play on third breach.
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what makes it worse, is that its probably over a game of aflw which beggars belief as that is the worst game in australian sport
certainly reeks of the same downgraded thing that was offered to balmey at the pies, which resulted in his departure.
let me makes this clear I don't agree with Balmey not being in QLD; reckon he should be.
But
As I have said this many times but people fail to acknowledge or chose to accept it
But Neil Balme encouraged the changes in the footy department. Read he backed the changes (promotion) of Livingston & Hartley.
He has been involved the Women's program since day 1. He is a massive supporter of the women's program = he rates it.
Is he more involved going into season 2021, yes but was always going to be, being here in Melb
I am very much aware people don't rate it and that's fine but please don't use the women's program as ammo as to why he is not in QLD
He is heavily involved in other areas of the Club that during COVID are as crucial to the Club as his previous role in the Footy Dept.
Just because a couple of journos have raised this "he's been demoted, shifted sideways" line doesn't make it accurate
And for people to think that those up there in QLD aren't talking to him, seeking his counsel on a variety footy related issues is rather naive
Skype, Zoom etc exist and are being used
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Is it confirmed they went to the strip club? Or is it purely speculation since the kebab shop was near the strip club?
I don’t think it is confirmed they went to see boobs but only wanted to eat tasty meat.
Either way they breached quarantine by going outside the hub and being around people outside the bubble.
Since when is it a breach to get takeaway food?
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I have no evidence to back this up but my guess is they’re not meant to leave the hub? But the more important question is where are the actual boundaries of the hub?
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what makes it worse, is that its probably over a game of aflw which beggars belief as that is the worst game in australian sport
certainly reeks of the same downgraded thing that was offered to balmey at the pies, which resulted in his departure.
let me makes this clear I don't agree with Balmey not being in QLD; reckon he should be.
But
As I have said this many times but people fail to acknowledge or chose to accept it
But Neil Balme encouraged the changes in the footy department. Read he backed the changes (promotion) of Livingston & Hartley.
He has been involved the Women's program since day 1. He is a massive supporter of the women's program = he rates it.
Is he more involved going into season 2021, yes but was always going to be, being here in Melb
I am very much aware people don't rate it and that's fine but please don't use the women's program as ammo as to why he is not in QLD
He is heavily involved in other areas of the Club that during COVID are as crucial to the Club as his previous role in the Footy Dept.
Just because a couple of journos have raised this "he's been demoted, shifted sideways" line doesn't make it accurate
And for people to think that those up there in QLD aren't talking to him, seeking his counsel on a variety footy related issues is rather naive
Skype, Zoom etc exist and are being used
sorry WP, im calling BS on this one which is my opinion of course.
I dont buy that balmey was keen to stay back and work on a womans program, that lets be honest isnt going anywhere because it falls short of standards. That goes for his reason to stay behind and work on other matters.
Furthermore, you can only assume Balmey is on the big bucks which makes it even more strange he is sitting in melbourne and zooming it with the boys. FFS even eddie is up there.
There is a big difference having balmey around in the flesh than having balmey zoom in on proceedings.
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
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Players didnt breach covid 19 rules, they were attacked for no reason by a drunen fat slob. They defended themselves. Not Guilty.
At worst they should get $5000 fines and a 1 match suspension. The bloke from footscray smashed 4 cars and got 4 weeks. Our blokes havent done anything like that.
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CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Source: AFL via SEN.
Huge off season required by these two should they remain contracted. I personally believe we should support them.
The fine has massive consequences however we must get through this as a club together. The players will struggle mentally for the remainder of the year, so our support will be key!
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CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Source: AFL via SEN.
What a disgrace. This is shameful from the AFL. They are out to get us
Its us against the AFL world now. Us agsinst the rest. Hopefully our players can give there all and win against all odds.
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What we a forgetting all things aside to is will be 2 players short now for selection and were already undermanned really selfish on the club ,playing group and fans.
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The tigers seem confident there is no cross contamination issue in the hub. Both players self isolated this morning. The club has spoken to staff, making sure no one has direct contact. They have their own respective bedrooms.
Stack and Coleman-Jones didn’t drive. And no club staff took them there. I think it’s fairly safe to assume they took an Uber or Cab
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7
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Just on Fox Sports news
Both players suspended for 10 games and being sent home
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The AFL's official statement:
AFL Sanction - Breach of Protocols
AFL releases statement following Richmond's second breach of return to play protocols
afl.com.au
4 September 5pm
The AFL confirms Richmond players Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones will be suspended for 10 matches and sent home from Queensland, after breaching the AFL’s return to play protocols.
Stack and Coleman-Jones breached the protocols after taking an Uber, visiting a non-approved Gold Coast venue and becoming involved in an incident that involved Queensland Police. Stack was detained by police and released a short time after.
The AFL, in conjunction with the club, investigated the matter and has determined that Stack and Coleman-Jones be immediately sent home and suspended for 10 matches, a suspension that will stretch across both the remainder of the 2020 Toyota AFL Premiership Season, Finals and the start of the 2021 season.
Richmond have a BYE in Round 16, meaning the 10-match suspension will begin in Round 17.
The suspension will be served across Round 17, 18, the 2020 Finals Series, then dependent on how many matches Richmond play in this year’s finals series, the remaining matches to be served from Round 1 of the 2021 Season.
Richmond Football Club have been fined $100,000 for the breach - $75,000 for this breach and a further $25,000 that was the suspended amount from a previous breach.
$100,000 will be included in Richmond’s 2021 Soft Cap.
Both players have been isolated since returning to the Richmond HPC early this morning.
Stack and Coleman-Jones cleared 14-day quarantine in July. They are not part of the current quarantine hub where AFL officials, and players and family members are undertaking the required 14-day quarantine period.
AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon said the AFL’s protocols are the competition’s license to play and any breach would be held into account.
“It is a privilege to be able to continue our competition, and with that privilege comes responsibility. The actions of the players are not only irresponsible but disrespectful to the competition and everyone associated with it,” Mr Dillon said.
“There is simply no excuse for this breach. The two players knew the rules and chose to ignore them, putting the safety of everyone at risk.
“The behaviour of the players is not what we expect, regardless of whether any protocols are in place or not.”
https://www.afl.com.au/news/496031/
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Just on Fox Sports news
Both players suspended for 10 games and being sent home
Just a disgrace from the AFL.
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
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Good players dont go on trees. Id be keeping them both.
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sorry WP, im calling BS on this one which is my opinion of course.
I dont buy that balmey was keen to stay back and work on a womans program, that lets be honest isnt going anywhere because it falls short of standards. That goes for his reason to stay behind and work on other matters.
No issue with you having an opinion
But I really wish you would read what I wrote in total
Where did I say "he was keen to stay back and work on the women's program"?
this is what I wrote
But
As I have said this many times but people fail to acknowledge or chose to accept it
But Neil Balme encouraged the changes in the footy department. Read he backed the changes (promotion) of Livingston & Hartley.
He has been involved the Women's program since day 1. He is a massive supporter of the women's program = he rates it.
Is he more involved going into season 2021, yes but was always going to be, being here in Melb
I am very much aware people don't rate it and that's fine but please don't use the women's program as ammo as to why he is not in QLD
He is heavily involved in other areas of the Club that during COVID are as crucial to the Club as his previous role in the Footy Dept.
Just because a couple of journos have raised this "he's been demoted, shifted sideways" line doesn't make it accurate
And for people to think that those up there in QLD aren't talking to him, seeking his counsel on a variety footy related issues is rather naive
Skype, Zoom etc exist and are being used
So I am not sure how you've come to "keen to stay...." conclusion
But you seem to have missed or wont accept these 2 points I made
- he was involved in the decision to promote the other 2,
- that he is involved in other arrears that crucial for the clubs future in this COVID environment
Furthermore, you can only assume Balmey is on the big bucks which makes it even more strange he is sitting in melbourne and zooming it with the boys. FFS even eddie is up there.
There is a big difference having balmey around in the flesh than having balmey zoom in on proceedings.
So Eddie is up there and Peggy isn't. So what does that have to do with it?
You are aware they were only allowed to send a fixed number originally? He was part of the decision making process of who went and stayed (source? the man himself via Zoom ;D)
You are also aware that to cut costs a number of people were put on reduced hours at the beginning of the pandemic so the vast majority of staff left in Melbourne either got stood down or had their $ reduced. Not saying that is the case with Balme but there are alot more things in play here is all I am trying to say
Personally, I reckon we are a better club when he is around the footy department but seeing he was involved in the decision making process that led to changes in late 2019 going into season 2020; then I accept that call
Do I like it? No; but I do accept it because I have great trust and faith in Balmey
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
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Players didnt breach covid 19 rules, they were attacked for no reason by a drunen fat slob. They defended themselves. Not Guilty.
At worst they should get $5000 fines and a 1 match suspension. The bloke from footscray smashed 4 cars and got 4 weeks. Our blokes havent done anything like that.
Yes they did Ramps on a number of levels
They breached the COVID rules that the competition (means ALL clubs) signed to when the QLD govt allowed the AFL to set up Hubs
Worse than that they breached the AFL protocols again agreed to by all Clubs that were established prior to the games going into hubs. The Protocols established to get the season re-started
And the topper here it is the Club's 2nd breach
So the book has been thrown
And no someone (not the players) but a staff member from the footy department through no fault of thier own is likely to lose their job in 2021 because of this act of stupidity and that is the worst bit
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Hartley clearly not up the Balmey's job.... :shh
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Hartley clearly not up the Balmey's job.... :shh
You do realise that there is 2 people currently doing the Balmey role
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:shh
The fact that even two blokes can't do his job only further underlines the importance of the great man ... :shh :shh
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
Not sure you're quite understanding what they have done. It isn't just a dust up outside a strip joint.
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Players didnt breach covid 19 rules, they were attacked for no reason by a drunen fat slob. They defended themselves. Not Guilty.
At worst they should get $5000 fines and a 1 match suspension. The bloke from footscray smashed 4 cars and got 4 weeks. Our blokes havent done anything like that.
Yes they did Ramps on a number of levels
They breached the COVID rules that the competition (means ALL clubs) signed to when the QLD govt allowed the AFL to set up Hubs
Worse than that they breached the AFL protocols again agreed to by all Clubs that were established prior to the games going into hubs. The Protocols established to get the season re-started
And the topper here it is the Club's 2nd breach
So the book has been thrown
And no someone (not the players) but a staff member from the footy department through no fault of thier own is likely to lose their job in 2021 because of this act of stupidity and that is the worst bit
I doubt that. Everything you just stated is general. Specifically what covid 19 rules did they break?
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Players didnt breach covid 19 rules, they were attacked for no reason by a drunen fat slob. They defended themselves. Not Guilty.
At worst they should get $5000 fines and a 1 match suspension. The bloke from footscray smashed 4 cars and got 4 weeks. Our blokes havent done anything like that.
Yes they did Ramps on a number of levels
They breached the COVID rules that the competition (means ALL clubs) signed to when the QLD govt allowed the AFL to set up Hubs
Worse than that they breached the AFL protocols again agreed to by all Clubs that were established prior to the games going into hubs. The Protocols established to get the season re-started
And the topper here it is the Club's 2nd breach
So the book has been thrown
And no someone (not the players) but a staff member from the footy department through no fault of thier own is likely to lose their job in 2021 because of this act of stupidity and that is the worst bit
I doubt that. Everything you just stated is general. Specifically what covid 19 rules did they break?
"Stack and Coleman-Jones officially breached the AFL's COVID-19 protocols in taking an Uber, visiting a non-approved Gold Coast venue and becoming involved in an incident that involved Queensland Police. Stack was detained by police and released a short time after."
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Penalty fair enough. So stupid even for 20 year olds. You can't excuse this.
Club also has to take some responsibility for this. Letting them get hammered probably not a great idea.
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
Not sure you're quite understanding what they have done. It isn't just a dust up outside a strip joint.
So what if they went to the strippers and got a gyros. They were attacked by a drunk. What did people expect? That they would just sit their and get bashed. These boys were minding their own business. 10 weeks fir going to the strippers and getting a gyros. Its a disgrace.
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Players didnt breach covid 19 rules, they were attacked for no reason by a drunen fat slob. They defended themselves. Not Guilty.
At worst they should get $5000 fines and a 1 match suspension. The bloke from footscray smashed 4 cars and got 4 weeks. Our blokes havent done anything like that.
Exactly. The video and the kebab owner proved as much.
What we don’t know is whether the speculation is true.
These have not been adequately answered as yet.
- Did they actually Attended the strip club? Confirmed ✅
- Were they actually Arrested by the police for any reason? No
- were they charged with any crime? No
- were actual AFL rules were breached? Confirmed ✅
Also I’d be keen to know what the AFLPA have anything to add to the discussion as this penalty is way way overboard in my opinion.
I also don’t think the club should trade them because of this even if any of it is true.
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I doubt that. Everything you just stated is general. Specifically what covid 19 rules did they break?
Where to begin?
The first announcement from the AFL about the season re-starting
https://www.afl.com.au/news/433686/footy-s-back-afl-statement-on-season-return
And then there are copious updates on the AFL site and in the media
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Just watched Benny Gale facing the media
Applaud him for that, today isn't the day you release a press statement
He apologised to everyone but in particular members and supporters
Said the players will be paying the fines.
Club will work through the impact on the season 2021soft cap and numbers in footy department
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I'm surprised the players have to pay it, what other employer can dock someone's wages?
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They breached the AFL protocols. This was the second breach by the club and the AFL published what the financial sanction would be well in advance so don’t see how anyone can really complain about that. The fact that they got into a scuffle is irrelevant with regards to the penalty as even if they didn’t the same financial sanction would apply.
The 10 game suspension is where it gets a bit iffy. Not sure whether it’s right or wrong but it’s a fair bit higher than any other suspension a player has faced which has maxed out at 4 if I remember correctly.
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Under AFLPA agreements are they allowed to be fined this much ($37k each)
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Yes they broke covid afl rules wear that but 10 weeks player from dogs hit 4 cars and got 4 games.Footage shows they were provoked.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/cctv-footages-emerges-of-afl-players-fight-outside-gold-coast-strip-club-c-1292148.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Just watched Benny Gale facing the media
Applaud him for that, today isn't the day you release a press statement
He apologised to everyone but in particular members and supporters
Said the players will be paying the fines.
Club will work through the impact on the season 2021soft cap and numbers in footy department
Benny should have called in the QCs to get the boys a lesser sentence rather than appeasing the anti Richmond forces at AFLHQ. Hes been a great CEO but in instances like this I feel he just appeases the AFL.
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Harsh penalty, but I dont have a problem with it. As long its consistent.
The only other case that is similar ( interstate covid breach besides the young sydney player who was heavily punished ) is Buckley.
Playing tennis with people outside of the AFL bubble.
Buckley did not get punished heavily enough.
If this is the standard, then be consistent.
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Why were the boys arrested ?.
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Brendon Gale needs to get his gillette razor out. His beard looks shocking. Shave it Benny. You look like one of the losers in the centrelink lines not the CEO of the biggest football club in the country.
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Shut up Ramps Geez man
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I noticed only the aboriginal player was taken into custody before being released.
My wife just pointed out its footy, strip club, kebabs and a fight
Just another Saturday night normally.
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Brendon Gale needs to get his gillette razor out. His beard looks shocking. Shave it Benny. You look like one of the losers in the centrelink lines not the CEO of the biggest football club in the country.
I think his beard makes him look distinguished and regal.
Why are you so beardist?
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Hate beards. Hopefully one day some company produces a lotion we can put on that delays facial hair growth so we dont have to shave. Shaving is a pain in the arse.
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$37,500 seems like an expensive kebab and lap dance
She’d better have been high quality
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Very concerned for the wellbeing of these two. Stack in particular is vulnerable and going home to WA might not be in his best interest. Some will say they deserve it and more, however i really think the punishment far exceeds the crime in this instance. Every human has made mistakes, multiple mistakes, but what defines us is learning from adversity should second chances be granted.
I for one hope they are cared for during the next period of time and receive support from the RFC and come back bigger and better in 2021.
We'll that's my take and i hope the thug gets his wack from the police for inciting violence.
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Very concerned for the wellbeing of these two. Stack in particular is vulnerable and going home to WA might not be in his best interest. Some will say they deserve it and more, however i really think the punishment far exceeds the crime in this instance. Every human has made mistakes, multiple mistakes, but what defines us is learning from adversity should second chances be granted.
I for one hope they are cared for during the next period of time and receive support from the RFC and come back bigger and better in 2021.
We'll that's my take and i hope the thug gets his wack from the police for inciting violence.
Good post Mr Machine. We have a lot of suckhole supporters of the AFL on the big footy richmond boards. People supporting these sanctions
What a disgrace. Disloyal pieces of poo.
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They also copped an $800 fine from the cops.
source: Courier Mail & ABC news.
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They should go back to Melb and wait this one out with the other players who stayed behind.
Not happy with them but I also don't want to lose them.
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I noticed only the aboriginal player was taken into custody before being released.
My wife just pointed out its footy, strip club, kebabs and a fight
Just another Saturday night normally.
Yep failing to see the issue
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
Lol.
Take your tigers goggles off mate.
What they did was incredibly dumb in context of the COVID situation.
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10 weeks is utter crap.Yeah they shouldn't have been out and broke hub rules punish them on that 10 weeks tho you had a player drunk smashed 4 cars got 4 weeks , the footage supports that they were provoked and attacked just sitting down eating and so does the account of the kebab
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sorry WP, im calling BS on this one which is my opinion of course.
I dont buy that balmey was keen to stay back and work on a womans program, that lets be honest isnt going anywhere because it falls short of standards. That goes for his reason to stay behind and work on other matters.
No issue with you having an opinion
But I really wish you would read what I wrote in total
Where did I say "he was keen to stay back and work on the women's program"?
this is what I wrote
But
As I have said this many times but people fail to acknowledge or chose to accept it
But Neil Balme encouraged the changes in the footy department. Read he backed the changes (promotion) of Livingston & Hartley.
He has been involved the Women's program since day 1. He is a massive supporter of the women's program = he rates it.
Is he more involved going into season 2021, yes but was always going to be, being here in Melb
I am very much aware people don't rate it and that's fine but please don't use the women's program as ammo as to why he is not in QLD
He is heavily involved in other areas of the Club that during COVID are as crucial to the Club as his previous role in the Footy Dept.
Just because a couple of journos have raised this "he's been demoted, shifted sideways" line doesn't make it accurate
And for people to think that those up there in QLD aren't talking to him, seeking his counsel on a variety footy related issues is rather naive
Skype, Zoom etc exist and are being used
So I am not sure how you've come to "keen to stay...." conclusion
But you seem to have missed or wont accept these 2 points I made
- he was involved in the decision to promote the other 2,
- that he is involved in other arrears that crucial for the clubs future in this COVID environment
Furthermore, you can only assume Balmey is on the big bucks which makes it even more strange he is sitting in melbourne and zooming it with the boys. FFS even eddie is up there.
There is a big difference having balmey around in the flesh than having balmey zoom in on proceedings.
So Eddie is up there and Peggy isn't. So what does that have to do with it?
You are aware they were only allowed to send a fixed number originally? He was part of the decision making process of who went and stayed (source? the man himself via Zoom ;D)
You are also aware that to cut costs a number of people were put on reduced hours at the beginning of the pandemic so the vast majority of staff left in Melbourne either got stood down or had their $ reduced. Not saying that is the case with Balme but there are alot more things in play here is all I am trying to say
Personally, I reckon we are a better club when he is around the footy department but seeing he was involved in the decision making process that led to changes in late 2019 going into season 2020; then I accept that call
Do I like it? No; but I do accept it because I have great trust and faith in Balmey
Unless you know something I don’t WP. Otherwise it smells like a demotion with these 2 blokes taking over the work of Balmey.
Isn’t Livingston the one who is always on the ground near Diimma?
Bottom line is you pay someone the big bucks then put him in a spot where you get the results. Otherwise it says to me Livingston and hartley promoted and balmey demoted
If balmey departs in the near future we will know the reason
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
Lol.
Take your tigers goggles off mate.
What they did was incredibly dumb in context of the COVID situation.
Why does he have to take his tiger goggles off!
Two young guys did a dumb thing, doesn’t mean you can’t support them.
By the looks of it the fight wasn’t there fault, so for me that makes this nothing more than a really stupid thing to do.
Maybe these boys just wanted something to eat and maybe feel normal for a second.
I don’t give a poo either way- they are Tigers and did stuff all wrong IMO.
My Tiger goggles stay on just like they would if it were friends or family.
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Keep the boys on the list. Make them earn their spot. Move on, win another premiership, everyone hates us. Carlton can get stuffed! :gotigers
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
Lol.
Take your tigers goggles off mate.
What they did was incredibly dumb in context of the COVID situation.
Why does he have to take his tiger goggles off!
Two young guys did a dumb thing, doesn’t mean you can’t support them.
By the looks of it the fight wasn’t there fault, so for me that makes this nothing more than a really stupid thing to do.
Maybe these boys just wanted something to eat and maybe feel normal for a second.
I don’t give a poo either way- they are Tigers and did stuff all wrong IMO.
My Tiger goggles stay on just like they would if it were friends or family.
Agree- we need to support them both and show empathy. Young men who can salvage a great career should it be handled the right way. I'm disappointed but prefer to show support for two people who deserve compassion, like we all would should any of our family or friends be in their position. Get around them :thumbsup
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Keep the boys on the list. Make them earn their spot. Move on, win another premiership, everyone hates us. Carlton can get stuffed! :gotigers
:clapping
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This is a serious stuff up. So in my view although the penalty is harsh it is fair. Fact is with it being our 2nd breach it could have been alot harsher.
I am angry because it is likely at least one person through no fault of their own is going to lose their job because of this stuff up because of the $100k reduction to our soft cap in season 2021(Benny admitted as much in his presser). Whoever that is or if there are more than 1 they are also a Richmond person(s) and they deserve empathy as well. They deserve our support too
Nearly every person on this Forum is a member and have left their membership $$ with the Club; to help it through this COVID season. So if people want it be critical or are angry they have a right to
Having said that personally, I don't think either player should be traded or sacked. Going forward they need to work their backsides off to regain any respect and trust they may have lost or damaged with anyone from the Club. They stuffed up but they aren't the first and they won't be last but as long as they learn from it that is the most important thing not just for the Club but the 2 guys too.
I have no doubt the Club will look after them, support them as the media vultures and others circle. And when I say Club I am talking about all areas of the Club including members and supporters.
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This is a serious stuff up. So in my view although the penalty is harsh it is fair. Fact is with it being our 2nd breach it could have been alot harsher.
I am angry because it is likely at least one person through no fault of their own is going to lose their job because of this stuff up because of the $100k reduction to our soft cap in season 2021(Benny admitted as much in his presser). Whoever that is or if there are more than 1 they are also a Richmond person(s) and they deserve empathy as well. They deserve our support too
Nearly every person on this Forum is a member and have left their membership $$ with the Club; to help it through this COVID season. So if people want it be critical or are angry they have a right to
Having said that personally, I don't think either player should be traded or sacked. Going forward they need to work their backsides off to regain any respect and trust they may have lost or damaged with anyone from the Club. They stuffed up but they aren't the first and they won't be last but as long as they learn from it that is the most important thing not just for the Club but the 2 guys too.
I have no doubt the Club will look after them, support them as the media vultures and others circle. And when I say Club I am talking about all areas of the Club including members and supporters.
:clapping
Pertaining to the possibility of someone losing their position due to the fine, i am sure there are ways to ensure no one loses their position. Upper management might have already reduced their salary in recent times but we would have many employees on very good annual salaries who could absorb a small reduction. 20 employees taking a 5k reduction, no one needs to lose their position. Not ideal but manageable.
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Tom Browne just said the AFLPA is arcing up over the Club wanting the players to pay 75k of the fine as the penalty is for the Club not the players. The players should not be fined more than 10k.
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Oh by the way was getting punched in the face whilst sitting on a bench fair and just part of the punishment. I have heard any of our media football paparazzi mention anything about justice for a punch in the face. Maybe the Queensland police have different rules?
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RICHMOND BOSS ‘DEEPLY ASHAMED’
Tyson Otto
News.com.au
5 September 2020
Richmond has revealed it knew Stack and Coleman-Jones were drinking on Thursday night before they took flight from the club’s Gold Coast isolation hub.
The Tigers said in a statement the two players had been drinking alcohol at a club and AFL-sanctioned event inside the hub before they continued drinking inside their rooms and eventually took off to the notorious nightspot.
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale appeared a broken man when he fronted the media on Friday night.
“Disbelief, anger, bewilderment, all those responses,” he said when asked how he feels about the breaches.
“The players knew the protocols, they’ve been drummed into players consistently, there’s been a number of high profile examples that reinforce the standards that are expected.
“That notwithstanding that they’d choose to act and breach the protocols, I think it’s fair to say probably anger and deep embarrassment to be honest.
“At the end of the day we can’t forget these are young men, young people make mistakes. These are very, very serious mistakes ... they’ll learn from it and we’ll need to put our arm around them and help them regain the trust and respect of our football club and the community.”
Herald Sun reporter Sam Landsberger posted on Twitter: “Tigers are deeply ashamed and embarrassed at this year’s incidents and Gale says these two have “disrespected” the AFL community and leadership”.
Gale said in an earlier statement he was incredibly disappointed.
“Richmond – like all Clubs — has a responsibility to the game, and the broader AFL community, to observe the COVID-19 protocols that the AFL has put in place. Clearly Callum and Sydney did not meet that responsibility this week, and we are incredibly disappointed,” Gale said.
“The club can’t ignore the fact that off-field we have got some things wrong in recent months. We need to own that as a club and get better. We all accept that this has been a difficult year, but it is no excuse for some of the mistakes we have made.
“These players made very poor decisions after consuming too much alcohol, choosing to leave the club’s hub in the early hours of Friday morning, and in doing so potentially putting themselves, their teammates and the AFL season at risk.
“Their decision to attend a venue while outside the hub was also completely unacceptable, and in no way aligns with what we stand for as a club. They have let down themselves, teammates, our members and supporters, our partners and the entire AFL industry.
“Yes, young people can make mistakes, but we expect better. There is absolutely no excuse for what took place. We do however recognise we need to support and educate them. They have learned a very hard lesson and we need to help them earn back the trust and respect of the club.
“Both players are extremely remorseful and apologise for their actions. That apology extends to the Queensland Government and Police who have far more significant matters to attend to in these difficult times.
“We are a strong, successful Club and we will work hard to deliver a club that meets community expectations and makes our members and supporters proud.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-sydney-stack-ban-after-tonedeaf-joke-footy-reacts-to-richmond-bans/news-story/ad39dd94a43f73a2ea81b88e2b946c7d
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Right whack: Tigers didn't have a leg to stand on
Jake Niall
Chief football writer, The Age
September 5, 2020
Whatever the level of inebriation of Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones at 3.30am outside the Hollywood Showgirls and a kebab shop on the Gold Coast, Richmond knew that neither club nor players had the proverbial leg to stand on.
The players were intoxicated, and had been inside a venue that they shouldn't be inside. Worse, they had been involved in a fracas sufficient to put Stack in police custody and for Coleman-Jones to be taken to hospital with what were called "minor facial injuries".
Consider, too, that the pair – imbued with the reckless spirit of youth plus whatever spirits or beer they'd consumed – had continued to drink after the club-sanctioned celebrations for the birthdays of Jack Ross and Ben Miller had ceased.
They caught an Uber to the Surfers' Paradise precinct, spending about 20 minutes in that Uber – time enough to reflect on the wisdom of their choice, had they been capable of cogent thought.
Uber rides are more automatic suspensions this year than a punch to the guts on the field.
Their misdemeanours were both an escalation of what had happened at other clubs – Collingwood's Steele Sidebottom (four games) having been the mid-season COVID clubhouse leader, only to be surpassed by Swan Elijah Taylor (six games in effect) – and an escalation of Richmond embarrassments, which their chief executive Brendon Gale acknowledged as "mistakes" that the Tigers had made over recent months.
The 10-week bans and $100,000 fines were exactly what one would have forecast (the same suspensions as Jaidyn Stephenson's gambling ban last year), given the nature of the offences and the political climate in recent days, when the AFL and Gillon McLachlan have been under attack for what were seen as special, unwarranted privileges in Queensland, even copping a sledge from the hitherto footy-friendly treasurer Josh Frydenberg.
McLachlan is feeling the pressure, in a parlous season held together by an astute shotgun partnership with the Queensland government. If the Tigers have fought the AFL on the issue of the soft cap cuts, they were not about to mount a strong defence of themselves or the offending players, given the stakes.
Richmond intend to make the players pay the $75,000 balance of the $100,000 fine, a condition that the players must agree to, given the code of conduct for players limits fines to $5000. In any case, they are blessed to have contracts and to avoid the sack. The Crows, incidentally, have an interest in Coleman-Jones, as a South Australian.
For the Tigers, the worst fallout of this fiasco is not the suspensions to Stack and Coleman-Jones, neither of whom was in Richmond's best 22 right now, despite Stack's talent.
Far more damaging is the fact that the Tigers have lost $100,000 from their soft cap on football department spending. As Gale virtually conceded, this could well mean shedding a job, or jobs within their football operation – unless they wish to cop a hefty tax.
But the damage to the club's reputation, and to the fragile concept of Richmond exceptionalism is surely more painful again. Gale clearly understood this, as he admitted that the club brand had been dented. "Their actions are inconsistent with what we stand for," he said.
Gale has built a mighty club. The Tigers remain every chance to win what would be their third flag in four seasons. They have turned into a serious money-maker, and have – to this point – much to be proud about. No team is better coached, none has recruited more adroitly without access to high picks.
But the notion that the Tigers are some kind of moral force within the community, over and above other clubs – as the club that succeeded with overlooked Indigenous talent such as Stack, that fostered better relations with the Muslim community via Bachar Houli and showed what a female president could achieve – is undermined by this lapse, which will be viewed as the culmination of a hubris outbreak in 2020.
Today, they look more like an old-fashioned football club – with the standard quotient of badly behaved players – than a paradigm of cultural progress.
Trent Cotchin and his wife's hub travails were hardly crimes, but they bespoke some level of entitlement. The antics of players around Mabior Chol were juvenile. And Damien Hardwick, in defending Tom Lynch – which is fair enough for a coach – was graceless in questioning the courage of a commentator (David Schwarz) who had endured three knee reconstructions and seen his father murdered as a child.
Richmond are a great footy club. Tiger fans have much to celebrate. But this escapade by hub escapees represents their nadir since the club's rise to superpower.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/right-whack-tigers-didn-t-have-a-leg-to-stand-on-20200904-p55slk.html
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RICHMOND PLAYER SYDNEY STACK LEFT ‘SHATTERED’ BY INCIDENT
Tyson Otto
News.com.au
5 September 2020
Tigers star Stack is reportedly “shattered” about his stupid decision to break protocol.
It was revealed on Friday night Stack has been left “disconsolate” by the scandal.
Fox Footy’s Jon Ralph said on Friday night Stack’s manager Paul Peos is worried about Stack’s mental health heading into a long off-season isolated from teammates.
“He said his player is absolutely shattered. He is disconsolate,” Ralph said after speaking to Peos.
“He is very worried about his client’s mental health over the next few months.”
Stack is flying back to Melbourne on Saturday and has not yet been able to book a flight home to Western Australia.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-sydney-stack-ban-after-tonedeaf-joke-footy-reacts-to-richmond-bans/news-story/ad39dd94a43f73a2ea81b88e2b946c7d
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These guys signed up to play football, now they are being used as political sacrifices. The AFL has put a lot of people in a no-win situation. This is unchartered territory for everyone and we are all learning on the run. What did everyone think would happen when you relocate young men with more spare time than normal and no outlets. Half these guys are training once a week and haven’t played a serious game of footy all season. They went out, had some beers. No crime committed, it’s an ‘AFL COVID’ breach... the club and AFL had better support these guys to the best of their ability because they’ve really been left out to hang.
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These guys signed up to play football, now they are being used as political sacrifices. The AFL has put a lot of people in a no-win situation. This is unchartered territory for everyone and we are all learning on the run. What did everyone think would happen when you relocate young men with more spare time than normal and no outlets. Half these guys are training once a week and haven’t played a serious game of footy all season. They went out, had some beers. No crime committed, it’s an ‘AFL COVID’ breach... the club and AFL had better support these guys to the best of their ability because they’ve really been left out to hang.
Without the hubs there would be no footy. They’re lucky to be playing at all and we are lucky to be able to watch it. The AFLPA signed off on this on behalf of their members. Therefore there is only two people to blame- the players themselves. Whilst I think the penalties are harsh, these lads made a very poor decision fuelled by alcohol. We need to own it.
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But is it as bad as arranging and playing a doubles tennis match with Alicia Molik?
I don’t think so. :rollin
- Buckley & Sanderson - $25,000 fine.
- Stack & Coleman-Jones - $75000 fine and 10 games suspension - shame and ridicule - sent home- isolated from team - made examples of - people (even on here) want them sacked or traded.
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ive changed my mind. The penalty doesnt fit the crime when you compare that against the dogs fella and sidebottom.
they should have got punished but i feel this is now an overkill and a vendetta against the club.
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ive changed my mind. The penalty doesnt fit the crime when you compare that against the dogs fella and sidebottom.
they should have got punished but i feel this is now an overkill and a vendetta against the club.
100% correct
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Still of the same opinion as yesterday. We need to ensure player welfare have their fingers all over the two players to ensure they don't drop completely off the rails. The next few weeks will be vital for their future health and well being. They did do the wrong thing but the punishments are way over the top.
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Think what people are missing here is that this is the Club's 2nd breach, hence the $100k fine. The AFL protocols are very clear maximum $100k fine for a 2nd breach
The kid from the Swans who snuck his girlfriend into their hub in WA got suspended for the remainder of the season. Which for them was 6 weeks. It was one breach of the protocols
Our 2 players have committed multiple breaches and not just the COVID protocols. Catching an Uber, leave their hub, visting a non approved venue. Then there is the issue of police involvement which beaches the AFL code of conduct.
Couple all of this with it being our 2nd breach and the penalty were always going to be harsher. But make no mistake that the penalty could have been harsher. And I for one am glad they were not
They stuffed up and they're paying an massive penalty that isn't going to change.
Most important thing now is to support these 2 guys, our players, our Club and for the leaders to ensure this galvanises the team as we head to towards challenging for another flag. What a special premiership it will be if we do it :gotigers
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Think what people are missing here is that this is the Club's 2nd breach, hence the $100k fine. The AFL protocols are very clear maximum $100k fine for a 2nd breach
The kid from the Swans who snuck his girlfriend into their hub in WA got suspended for the remainder of the season. Which for them was 6 weeks. It was one breach of the protocols
Our 2 players have committed multiple breaches and not just the COVID protocols. Catching an Uber, leave their hub, visting a non approved venue. Then there is the issue of police involvement which beaches the AFL code of conduct.
Couple all of this with it being our 2nd breach and the penalty were always going to be harsher. But make no mistake that the penalty could have been harsher. And I for one am glad they were not
They stuffed up and they're paying an massive penalty that isn't going to change.
Most important thing now is to support these 2 guys, our players, our Club and for the leaders to ensure this galvanises the team as we head to towards challenging for another flag. What a special premiership it will be if we do it :gotigers
:clapping well said.
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Its time for Richmond people to support Richmond. In the end youre either with us or against us. AFL footy is like war.
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You also can't tell me that the players wouldn't have been sat down and reminded of their responsibilities both in respect to COVID protocols and the club generally before they were allowed to "take 5" during the bye period.
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Steve Hocking on SEN just reiterated it is a club fine. It is being dealt with by Andrew Dillon to satisfy all parties.
Sam Edmund stated the AFLPA is saying there's an agreement and clubs can't impose a club fine on the players.
Edmund added that the 10 week suspension would've been less if the AFL thought the players were also paying the fine.
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My view is the players should not pay the total fine. Having them pay $5k or $10k towards the fine might be suitable but the 10 week suspension is what hurts them and the club. Suspend them for the remainder of the year and allow them to continue training with the group would have been satisfactory. The AFL needs to understand the human element as they have a duty of care for the health and well-being of all players regardless of the actions.
The club will support the players however it will be challenging to support them when they are in their home states, away from the club and its resources.
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My view is the players should not pay the total fine. Having them pay $5k or $10k towards the fine might be suitable but the 10 week suspension is what hurts them and the club. Suspend them for the remainder of the year and allow them to continue training with the group would have been satisfactory. The AFL needs to understand the human element as they have a duty of care for the health and well-being of all players regardless of the actions.
The club will support the players however it will be challenging to support them when they are in their home states, away from the club and its resources.
Good post
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Question is will Balmey retire at years end me thinks? To not take the head of football seems a pretty big call.
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Wonder if Stack's & CCJ's suspensions will carry over to their new clubs? :shh
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How many do they miss next year? If we make grand final that's say 5 games this year so 5 next year??
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This discussion around who pays the fine seems to indicate the club told them to pay rather than then volunteering. 37.5k is wayyyy too much for stack on a rookie contract and CJ on a third year players contract. Especially with the reductions this year the 37.5k is probably half of stacks yearly wage.
The 10 match suspension is overs. The games penalty shouldn’t take into account whether it’s the clubs first or second breach as it only impacts the player. Should have at most been to the end of the year. Doubt either were getting back in after this but they should be given a clean slate next season to make up for their mistake.
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Absolutely they should pay the fine. I don’t care if it takes them 5 years to pay it off. Do the crime and u do the time.
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No crime in a gutfull of booze, strippers and kebabs finished off with a dust up
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Time to move on.We got 2 very important matches coming up and a finals campaign 100% focus needs to be on that needs to be made clear to players and staff up they.
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Both CCJ & Stack have flown to Adelaide. Stack made a public apology to camera while Cal posted his apology on instagram.
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Paul Marsh (head of the AFLPA) on 3aw said the club should pay the fine.
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Question is will Balmey retire at years end me thinks? To not take the head of football seems a pretty big call.
He is no longer head of footy = GM of Football
That decision / change happened in November last year and he was heavily involved in that decision
His official title is Senior Consultant, which covers numerous areas across the Club working closely with Benny Gale
But whatever
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Paul Marsh (head of the AFLPA) on 3aw said the club should pay the fine.
Players will not be paying :shh
And watch this space regarding the playing groups support :shh
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Furthermore, i understand Gale was under stress and pressure however it was a massive error in publicly announcing the players will be paying the fine. He should well understand this is not possible under the agreement and has just created added stoplight on the story.
Not his finest hour!!
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Balmey is not a spring chicken anymore, he has earn’t a rest, and Richmond have a succession plan in place whilst he can be a mentor.
I think a few saw the media where he seemed disappointed about not going with the team up north but not even Neil can stop someone who is hell bent on going out
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Furthermore, i understand Gale was under stress and pressure however it was a massive error in publicly announcing the players will be paying the fine. He should well understand this is not possible under the agreement and has just created added stoplight on the story.
Not his finest hour!!
Overall with his presser yesterday and the subsequent interviews last night he did very well
He clearly looked and sounded gutted with what has happened. Cannot blame him.
As he said he spent the last 4 weeks back on Melbourne telling a large part of our admin staff they no longer have jobs. It hurt!
Don't think people realise what he and Peggy have had to deal with not just yesterday but all season. Leading our Club through this is a massive challenge and Benny in particular has been outstanding.
Think he deserves to be cut some slack
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Furthermore, i understand Gale was under stress and pressure however it was a massive error in publicly announcing the players will be paying the fine. He should well understand this is not possible under the agreement and has just created added stoplight on the story.
Not his finest hour!!
Overall with his presser yesterday and the subsequent interviews last night he did very well
He clearly looked and sounded gutted with what has happened. Cannot blame him.
As he said he spent the last 4 weeks back on Melbourne telling a large part of our admin staff they no longer have jobs. It hurt!
Don't think people realise what he and Peggy have had to deal with not just yesterday but all season. Leading our Club through this is a massive challenge and Benny in particular has been outstanding.
Think he deserves to be cut some slack
They have done an amazing job but i think he might think twice about the comment given the chance. He should have not commented on who is responsible for paying the fine. Adds fuel to the fire as this is all the media are talking about...
Again, overall they have been brilliant :clapping
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Nice support shown by Eddie Bets on instagram :thumbsup
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Nice support shown by Eddie Bets on instagram :thumbsup
Yes saw it on Twitter
Class act is Eddie Betts
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Have any of our players supported them on social media?.
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Our players dont believe in showing support via social media. Ive heard rumours of how they will show rheir support and if true when people find out they will be amazed.
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'I own the consequences': Stack, Coleman-Jones apologise for Gold Coast incident
By Jon Pierik and Peter Ryan
The Age
September 6, 2020
Banished Richmond players Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones have apologised for breaching the AFL's COVID-19 protocols in Queensland, with Stack declaring he is intent on regaining the trust of the Tigers and the wider AFL community.
Stack, 21, and teammate Callum Coleman-Jones were involved in a fight outside a Gold Coast strip club early on Friday morning and have been sent home and suspended for 10 matches.
The Tigers were fined $100,000, which will be included in the 2021 soft cap, a penalty that will impact on the club's football department resources next season.
As a backroom stoush emerged on Saturday over who should pay the fine, Stack arrived in Adelaide en route to Melbourne and apologised for his actions.
"I'm aware of the actions that I've made and I'm dealing with the consequences constantly," he told Channel Ten at Adelaide airport.
In a social media post, Stack added: "I'm very sorry, understand the seriousness of it and can do nothing now but own the consequences. I've let down the AFL, the club I love, my teammates, coaches and staff, its members and the Tiger Army.
"I have also let down my family, my friends and all of those who have helped me along the way. To those who are supporting me at the moment, a huge thanks. I only hope going forward I can rebuild trust in me again."
Coleman-Jones has also apologised for the incident that has left the Tigers and AFL embarrassed.
"I take full responsibility for what I have done and am extremely remorseful. I have let a lot of people down, including the football club, the AFL, the Queensland government, my friends and family, and the wider community," he wrote on social media.
"I realise what I did was selfish and had the potential to jeopardise the continuation of the competition being played in Queensland."
Stack was detained by police after the alleged fight but was released a short time later. Coleman-Jones went to hospital but the pair returned to the Tigers' Gold Coast hub before being sent home.
Stack has played 26 matches and has limited support in Melbourne because of the state's lockdown restrictions.
The fine comprises $75,000 through this indiscretion and $25,000 as a result of a suspended fine handed to captain Trent Cotchin's wife for an earlier breach when she visited a day spa.
The Tigers say the duo will be responsible for paying $75,000 but Stack's manager Paul Peos insists his client will not do so.
AFL general manager of football Steve Hocking said the club, rather than the players, had to foot the bill.
"Everyone agreed that fines should go into the soft cap, it should be a whole-of-club sanction," he said.
"It's team accountability and a team response and a leadership requirement from everybody. There's been some questions around why it has to come out of the soft cap, really everyone has ownership of this and it's a club-wide leadership piece."
AFL Players' Association boss Paul Marsh and Tigers chief Brendon Gale are expected to discuss the matter further to determine whether a compromise could be reached, as the Tigers are aware that any fine they pay is a cost to members.
"Young people make mistakes, these are very, very serious mistakes, they've put our club and the competition at risk," Gale said.
"They'll learn from it and we'll put our arm around them and we're there to help them regain the trust and respect of our football club and the community."
The AFLPA argues that the pair will lose income as a result of the 10-match ban and therefore should not also be penalised through paying the fine.
Queensland Deputy Premier Steven Miles had strong words for the Tigers duo.
"Our sporting stars are leaders of our community, young people look up to them, and just what I've heard suggests these two blokes deserve to be sent home. It's good to see they've been sent home, the AFL has acted pretty strongly, a 10-week ban is a very significant ban," Miles said.
"They've let down their teams, they've let down their communities, they've let down their families."
Miles defended the treatment offered to AFL officials and staff in the sport's Queensland COVID-19 bubble, saying the code was operating under a well-established COVID-Safe plan, and the AFL's actions against the Richmond duo showed how seriously it took any breaches.
He said the code was not issued special exemptions but was allowed into the state due to that plan.
"The AFL's COVID-Safe plan has been proven to work and proven to be safe. It's important to remember that none of these measures are designed to be punitive ... they're just designed to keep people safe and in this case, the AFL COVID-Safe plan has been proven to keep people safe," Miles said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/i-own-the-consequences-stack-apologises-for-gold-coast-incident-20200905-p55spq.html
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Richmond’s Sydney Stack won’t pay fine for COVID breaches at strip club, manager says
Jasper Bruce
sportingnews.com
6 September 2020
Speaking on WA Sports Talk on Saturday, Stack’s manager Paul Peos rubbished any suggestion that his client would personally foot the bill.
“It’s pretty clear that the player is not responsible in relation to the fine part of it on the basis that they accept whatever sanctions are sent down to them,” Peos said.
Peos pointed to the fact that Stack, like most of his AFL teammates, has already taken a pay cut during the interrupted 2020 season.
“The simple answer is a second-year player that has to play on half his money anyway can’t afford a 37-and-a-half or 75 or 100 grand fine," he said.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/richmonds-sydney-stack-wont-pay-fine-for-covid-breaches-at-strip-club-manager-says/1qh4z2rk6zzs10xbblhs0qi3a
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Our players dont believe in showing support via social media. Ive heard rumours of how they will show rheir support and if true when people find out they will be amazed.
Enlightened us mate what to expect ?. Why a the polictians getting involved adding more fuel to the fire.
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
Lol.
Take your tigers goggles off mate.
What they did was incredibly dumb in context of the COVID situation.
Why does he have to take his tiger goggles off!
Two young guys did a dumb thing, doesn’t mean you can’t support them.
By the looks of it the fight wasn’t there fault, so for me that makes this nothing more than a really stupid thing to do.
Maybe these boys just wanted something to eat and maybe feel normal for a second.
I don’t give a poo either way- they are Tigers and did stuff all wrong IMO.
My Tiger goggles stay on just like they would if it were friends or family.
Where did I say that we shouldn’t support these boys? Of course we should and that goes for all Richmond players no matter what they have done.
But the whole QLD hub situation is very delicately placed and the AFL was always going to punish them severely, regardless or what club they play for.
The suggestion that the punishment is some sort of anti-Richmond conspiracy is just dumb.
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The official penalty from the AFL:
CCJ & Stack suspended for 10 matches and sent home.
$100k club fine to the soft cap for 2021.
Sources: AFL via SEN.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/LukeSchneider_7
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1301775960329519105
About right. The Qld Govt is out on a limb and the AFL would have had no choice but to hand out the biggest penalties possible.
Given CCJ and Stack both likely to be traded the games missed next year will be someone else's problem anyway.
No its not about right. Its a shameful vindictive attack on the RFC. Tbese players were attacked by a fat drunk and you reckon 10 weeks is fair? Dont be a clown its a disgrace.
Lol.
Take your tigers goggles off mate.
What they did was incredibly dumb in context of the COVID situation.
Why does he have to take his tiger goggles off!
Two young guys did a dumb thing, doesn’t mean you can’t support them.
By the looks of it the fight wasn’t there fault, so for me that makes this nothing more than a really stupid thing to do.
Maybe these boys just wanted something to eat and maybe feel normal for a second.
I don’t give a poo either way- they are Tigers and did stuff all wrong IMO.
My Tiger goggles stay on just like they would if it were friends or family.
Where did I say that we shouldn’t support these boys? Of course we should and that goes for all Richmond players no matter what they have done.
But the whole QLD hub situation is very delicately placed and the AFL was always going to punish them severely, regardless or what club they play for.
The suggestion that the punishment is some sort of anti-Richmond conspiracy is just dumb.
Was that post for me Willy?
I didn’t mention anything about punishments.
To be honest I don’t care what the punishments are, as long as they are fair. And I think Stack and CCJ think the same.
My post was just to support the boys as they made a mistake.
And the whole fight thing was not there fault.
Just some gutless wanker trying to be tough.
I wish they gave him a good kicking.
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I’m not sure if anyone has mention this, but I heard on SEN (Dwayne Russell) that apparently players are aloud to leave the hub during the day to get coffees??
Did anyone else hear that?
If that is true, the entire thing is farce.
And you can potentially see why Stack and CCJ were pretty blasé about being out of the hub.
No hats down over their faces trying to hide, nothing...
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And they are allowed to get takeaway food.
There is no player curfew times like we have here in Melbourne. The fact that they were out and about at 3am looks bad.
The fault was the uber drive and the venue they attended. These were a violation of AFL restriction guidelines.
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Our players dont believe in showing support via social media. Ive heard rumours of how they will show rheir support and if true when people find out they will be amazed.
Pending :shh
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I’m not sure if anyone has mention this, but I heard on SEN (Dwayne Russell) that apparently players are aloud to leave the hub during the day to get coffees??
Did anyone else hear that?
If that is true, the entire thing is farce.
And you can potentially see why Stack and CCJ were pretty blasé about being out of the hub.
No hats down over their faces trying to hide, nothing...
Yes they are allowed to do that at but is it during the day, at approved venues.
Issue here is it happened at night and they attended a non approved venue via an Uber. They didn't just venture 100 metres down the street to pick up a latte.. There is a good 10+ kms from they are staying to where they went.
They are all aware of what's allowed and what isn't. And as someone's else posted considering they were getting a few days off then I think it is reasonable they would have been told (again) what was allowed and what wasn't
So IMHO, I reckon it is a very long bow to draw that the guys didn't know or understand what was allowed and what wasn't
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I don’t think the distance is an issue at all considering players are allowed to golf and surf etc.
It wouldn’t of mattered if the strippers were next door they weren’t allowed to attend that venue and the players new that so it was a drunken choice to not consider consequences but to live in the moment.
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I don’t think the distance is an issue at all considering players are allowed to golf and surf etc.
It wouldn’t of mattered if the strippers were next door they weren’t allowed to attend that venue and the players new that so it was a drunken choice to not consider consequences but to live in the moment.
Fair call but I raised the distance issue because they used an Uber which as one of the breaches
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My Bummers mate reckons the Tigers should be responsible for the fine as they should have security guards making sure people don’t leave the hub. He also kept going on about how one more strike will see us lose premiership points - a fact he’s only too familiar with
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The club must pay both fines.
Obviously they failed in all aspects to make sure everyone including Mrs Cotchin were absolutely aware of the proper protocols.
You cannot assume that people understand what’s allowed.
The facts speak for themselves even the two players weren’t completely aware of the consequences of their actions. I’m blaming the club for not putting more in place to make sure everyone obeyed the rules.
It’s pretty much exactly the same issue as the victoria government faced in the hotel quarantine issue.
You can state the rules but the rules must be strictly followed and there needs to be checks and balances implemented to ensure those rules are followed. Unfortunately there’s always a few, that will for whatever reason, will flout those rules.
As for the fine the club is ultimately responsible just as the vic government is respond for our current predicament.
So with the soft cap the club may have to get rid of more staff? I don’t think so.
How about all the staff (coach, ceo, property steward) take a bigger pay cut?
So they must work for only 50k or less each year for few years so be it. Do they really need over 100k salaries? Let’s get fairdinkum. If the soft cap is in place and you’ve only got a certain amount to spend why dispense of important people? Just pay everyone less money.
If your an employee and don’t like the wages because of your selfishness then you can leave and get another highly paid job.
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The club must pay both fines.
Obviously they failed in all aspects to make sure everyone including Mrs Cotchin were absolutely aware of the proper protocols.
You cannot assume that people understand what’s allowed.
The facts speak for themselves even the two players weren’t completely aware of the consequences of their actions. I’m blaming the club for not putting more in place to make sure everyone obeyed the rules.
It’s pretty much exactly the same issue as the victoria government faced in the hotel quarantine issue.
You can state the rules but the rules must be strictly followed and there needs to be checks and balances implemented to ensure those rules are followed. Unfortunately there’s always a few, that will for whatever reason, will flout those rules.
As for the fine the club is ultimately responsible just as the vic government is respond for our current predicament.
So when do people start taking responsibility for their own actions rather looking someone to blame for their own either stupidity or selfishness?
If you don't understand you ask? If you are unsure you ask? We are not dealing with 8 year olds here
Or are you suggesting the Club should go down the Wuhun in China path and bolt the doors shut to keep them in over night :huh3 :shakeshead
I would have thought after breach number 1, everyone would have been well aware of the rules.
the Club will end up paying the fine because the AFLPA will dig their heels in. They are already sooking about it
So with the soft cap the club may have to get rid of more staff? I don’t think so.
How about all the staff (coach, ceo, property steward) take a bigger pay cut?
So they must work for only 50k or less each year for few years so be it. Do they really need over 100k salaries? Let’s get fairdinkum. If the soft cap is in place and you’ve only got a certain amount to spend why dispense of important people? Just pay everyone less money.
If your an employee and don’t like the wages because of your selfishness then you can leave and get another highly paid job.
The soft cap covers the footy department only.
So Benny Gale could forgo all his salary and it wouldn't make a difference to the soft cap. The Club has already had to make redundant a considerable number of people in Admin to reduce costs. People's hours have been cut...how much more do you think these people should sacrifice?
The soft cap is being slashed by $3 million a year. But what you are suggesting is person currently on say $70k with a mortgage and perhaps kids should drop back to $50k?
And what about the part time footy department staff; you know the ones who only work match day eg the trainers? I doubt they would even be on $50k a year, do we tell them to take a cut and and do it $0.00.
It's easy to say take a cut but it isn't that simple....
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The club must pay both fines.
Obviously they failed in all aspects to make sure everyone including Mrs Cotchin were absolutely aware of the proper protocols.
You cannot assume that people understand what’s allowed.
The facts speak for themselves even the two players weren’t completely aware of the consequences of their actions. I’m blaming the club for not putting more in place to make sure everyone obeyed the rules.
It’s pretty much exactly the same issue as the victoria government faced in the hotel quarantine issue.
You can state the rules but the rules must be strictly followed and there needs to be checks and balances implemented to ensure those rules are followed. Unfortunately there’s always a few, that will for whatever reason, will flout those rules.
As for the fine the club is ultimately responsible just as the vic government is respond for our current predicament.
So with the soft cap the club may have to get rid of more staff? I don’t think so.
How about all the staff (coach, ceo, property steward) take a bigger pay cut?
So they must work for only 50k or less each year for few years so be it. Do they really need over 100k salaries? Let’s get fairdinkum. If the soft cap is in place and you’ve only got a certain amount to spend why dispense of important people? Just pay everyone less money.
If your an employee and don’t like the wages because of your selfishness then you can leave and get another highly paid job.
A question for you, would you take a pay cut yourself?
If you are caught speeding do you pay the fine?
These 2 knew the rules, they should pay the fines themselves.
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I find it perplexing that anyone can leave the hub.
I thought that was the point- everyone in the hub was separated from the general public at all times.
I would be confused too if getting a coffee was ok if you were in and around the general public that could potentially have the virus.
Don’t get me wrong, these two guys made a mistake but to me none of this makes much sense being able to leave the hub whether it’s day or night.
Does the virus know the difference between AM and PM?
On another note, were they drunk?
They didn’t look drunk.
But I have read in the media it was a drunken brawl.
Is this an example of fake news, where the other guy might have been drunk but it’s made to seem like our 2 boys were drunk too??
10 weeks suspension is harsh but I am fine with it but the money is a completely different matter IMO.
If anyone thinks this has been easy for anyone up there, I reckon you may be kidding yourself.
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'Idiot soup': Eddie McGuire lifts lid on AFL strip club scandal
Chris Young
Sports Reporter
Yahoo Sport Australia
6 September 2020
Collingwood president Eddie McGuire has described the immediate fallout from Richmond duo Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones’ ill-advised visit to a Gold Coast strip club last week.
Stack, 20, and Callum Coleman-Jones, 21, were ousted from the Tigers' Queensland hub after visiting a strip club and being involved in a drunken fight early on Friday morning.
They were both suspended for 10 matches by the AFL and the Tigers fined $100,000 for a second breach by members of their club travel bubble.
Both players have made public apologies, but McGuire said the sheer idiocy of the pair’s actions had left AFL brass at the Queensland hub flabbergasted.
“(AFL CEO) Gillon McLachlan is basically in the room upstairs from me here - we just couldn’t believe what happened,” McGuire told Channel Nine’s Sport Sunday.
“In here at the moment at the hub, Gil and even myself and club officials sat around and we actually spoke to all the people that were up here, the journalists, the wives, the girlfriends, the kids and everybody.
“We said right, here’s what we need to do. We actually brought out a pole that was one-point-five metres and put it by the pool to make sure everybody has an understanding.
“Everyone’s on tenterhooks about getting this right.”
Eddie McGuire satisfied with Richmond Tigers sanctions
The Magpies president is no stranger to dealing with poor behaviour from players, having had to fend off accusations of hypocrisy following Collingwood veteran Steele Sidebottom’s COVID-19 breaches earlier in the season.
McGuire said he was satisfied Stack and Coleman-Jones’ punishment fit the crime.
“Clearly they had a drink to celebrate after a game, it was a teammates birthday, that was sanctioned,” he said.
“Then they went back to the room, the idiot soup kicked in on them and they decided it was a good idea to break every rule they’ve been told for the last three months and as a result they got a full whack.
“Everyone knows the rules, I’ve been pretty strong on this, you’ve got to go hard.
“I would’ve gone hard earlier including some of my people at Collingwood who got into trouble, but it is what it is.”
Tony Jones says Coleman-Jones and Stack deserve to be sacked
Fellow media commentator Tony Jones had argued for even harsher penalties.
The veteran reporter said both players deserved to be sacked.
“If it was me, it’d be instant dismissal. If you work for a bank and you were sent up there, you would be dismissed,” Jones told the Sunday Footy Show.
“What gets me is people have lost their jobs in the AFL and at Richmond.
“These two blokes along with their teammates are in a privileged position whereby they can go and kick a football and get paid well for it. They still can’t abide by the rules which have been set out.
“There should be no second chances, they should be sacked.”
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl-2020-eddie-mcguire-lifts-lid-fallout-richmond-strip-club-scandal-050851412.html
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Why his he commenting on our club atleast Gale owned it unlike pies made exuses for there incidents.Sidebottom should have got a tough penalty so to there coaches got a 25k penalty no suspension.
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I just assumed that Eddie would be proud of our boys for taking responsibility and owning their mistake.......
Isn’t that what he said about Steelo Tinass?
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The biggest fattest stuffen hypocrite going around. stuffen wanker
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The club must pay both fines.
Obviously they failed in all aspects to make sure everyone including Mrs Cotchin were absolutely aware of the proper protocols.
You cannot assume that people understand what’s allowed.
The facts speak for themselves even the two players weren’t completely aware of the consequences of their actions. I’m blaming the club for not putting more in place to make sure everyone obeyed the rules.
It’s pretty much exactly the same issue as the victoria government faced in the hotel quarantine issue.
You can state the rules but the rules must be strictly followed and there needs to be checks and balances implemented to ensure those rules are followed. Unfortunately there’s always a few, that will for whatever reason, will flout those rules.
As for the fine the club is ultimately responsible just as the vic government is respond for our current predicament.
So when do people start taking responsibility for their own actions rather looking someone to blame for their own either stupidity or selfishness?
If you don't understand you ask? If you are unsure you ask? We are not dealing with 8 year olds here
Or are you suggesting the Club should go down the Wuhun in China path and bolt the doors shut to keep them in over night :huh3 :shakeshead
I would have thought after breach number 1, everyone would have been well aware of the rules.
the Club will end up paying the fine because the AFLPA will dig their heels in. They are already sooking about it
So with the soft cap the club may have to get rid of more staff? I don’t think so.
How about all the staff (coach, ceo, property steward) take a bigger pay cut?
So they must work for only 50k or less each year for few years so be it. Do they really need over 100k salaries? Let’s get fairdinkum. If the soft cap is in place and you’ve only got a certain amount to spend why dispense of important people? Just pay everyone less money.
If your an employee and don’t like the wages because of your selfishness then you can leave and get another highly paid job.
The soft cap covers the footy department only.
So Benny Gale could forgo all his salary and it wouldn't make a difference to the soft cap. The Club has already had to make redundant a considerable number of people in Admin to reduce costs. People's hours have been cut...how much more do you think these people should sacrifice?
The soft cap is being slashed by $3 million a year. But what you are suggesting is person currently on say $70k with a mortgage and perhaps kids should drop back to $50k?
And what about the part time footy department staff; you know the ones who only work match day eg the trainers? I doubt they would even be on $50k a year, do we tell them to take a cut and and do it $0.00.
It's easy to say take a cut but it isn't that simple....
No I’m saying that if someone is on 500k a year they can peg it back to keep the important people employed.
One day hopefully you will get it back.
If these workers are essential to the success of the team they should continue their role and everyone has to help out if they are to stay employed.
I’m saying the boys weren't stupid and did an absurd mindboggling thing but it happened. It happened at Richmond.
The club must realise that they obviously were not clear enough. If they were mrs Cotchin would not have gone to a day spa. It clearly was not as obvious to some people for some reason.
On the issue of soft cap - the coaches are just gonna have to dig deep as half their wages if they want more staff to stay on for the good of the team.
What’s wrong with living off 50k - many Australians have to live on a gross wage less than that.
If that’s the case to keep everyone on the payroll and employed you do what you can.
You don’t NEED 200k salaries. of coarse you take them if they are there but for the good of all staff you do what you need to do to keep everyone employed.
If anyone can’t live on less than 200k a year to survive I think they may need to adjust what they do with all their money and make some tough decisions.
It’s then probably a good thing to be forced to live on the lowest wage for a change to see what it feels like to be a low income earner. They may even be able to get a health care card and concessions.
The club just has to manage it if they want all staff to be employed. Simple. These are difficult times for a lot of people and if your in a predicament that’s difficult you manage the best you’ve can without getting rid of valuable staff that potentially can be lost forever to another company.
Good people don’t grow on trees.
A question for you, would you take a pay cut yourself?
If you are caught speeding do you pay the fine?
These 2 knew the rules, they should pay the fines themselves.
Would I take a pay cut?
Yes, absolutely, and I have for the good of the company.
The difference with your question about speeding is that I know the rules and if I speed I pay the fine, even if I work for a company I must pay the fine because that’s what is written in the work contract and my responsibilities are clear to me.
The assumption here is whether or not these two bozo’s knew the rules and if they did and then we can assume they also knew that they weren’t going to be responsible for the fines as AFLPA rules dictate even I knew that was the case even if Benny Gale didn’t.
Rules are rules.
If you assume one you must also assume the other is true too.
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Jack Riewoldt:
It's a team sport. Two players made a series of poor choices but we are not going to ostracize them. We are going to own this as a group, use it as another learning experience, and rebuild the respect we've lost as a club and as a brand.
We're hurting too as it went against our club ethos. Take real exception to being 'arrogant' as a club.
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Can someone please talk about Bucks punishment ( or lack there of ) Like wtf
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Jack Riewoldt:
It's a team sport. Two players made a series of poor choices but we are not going to ostracize them. We are going to own this as a group, use it as another learning experience, and rebuild the respect we've lost as a club and as a brand.
We're hurting too as it went against our club ethos. Take real exception to being 'arrogant' as a club.
:clapping
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Can someone please talk about Bucks punishment ( or lack there of ) Like wtf
Fat Ed was comfortable with the punishment so Gill the Dill signed it off.
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‘We are bloody hurting’: Jack Riewoldt’s raw insight into ‘sombre’ Tigers camp
September 7, 2020 8:52pm
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
Richmond star Jack Riewoldt has provided a raw insight into the “sombre” mood among the club’s playing group and admitted it was on “heightened alert” to avoid another off-field misdemeanour.
Riewoldt’s comments come after teammates Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones both copped 10-game suspensions, while the Tigers were hit with a $100,000 fine, after the pair were involved in a 3am scuffle outside a Gold Coast strip club.
Speaking on his SEN program Tiger Time, Riewoldt said it’d been “pretty difficult” period of time for the players and there’d been a “sombre mood around the hub”.
“We’ve had we’ve had two young men make a lot of very poor decisions and the easy thing to do is to ostracise them from the group and say ‘that was their choice’. But the sign of a good football club and the sign of a good organisation is that we own it,” Riewoldt told SEN.
Riewoldt said the “decent whack” the club had copped from commentators and fans was deserved but also “cut the deepest and the most”.
“We feel like we’re a great organisation and we’ve had a couple of young men that have made the decision to pull against the fabric of our organisation – and it really hurts,” he said.
Stack and Coleman-Jones’ error was the second breach of the AFL’s COVID-19 protocols by people connected to the Tigers.
Should the club breach protocols a third time, it’d face losing premiership points and draft selections.
Riewoldt said the playing group understood the consequences of their actions, adding they “only have ourselves to blame”.
But the dual premiership forward declared “you can’t take it as a failure of two people”.
“This is a team sport and we’re not going to ostracise the boys and throw them out. We’re going to own it – and I think the club’s done that really well,” he said.
“They’ve gone against the grain of what we’re about. The majority of our actions – and I mean, 99.999 per cent – are of solid, good-cultured football club and a club that is built on respect and built on connection, built on love and built on care for each other. But these two young men, they made two really poor decisions.
“That’s not going to define us in the back-end of the season … We’ve got to learn our lesson from it because we’re in a position where we’re right on the borderline of going over into the next stage of punishments, which are pretty severe.
“So we’re on heightened alert as well. We know that we need to maintain the regulations, as every side does up here.”
Riewoldt said the club’s brand had taken a hit but took umbrage with suggestions the club had become “arrogant”.
“We’ve got some extremely humble people in here and they would cringe hearing that and I would cringe about them saying that about our people,” he said.
“The brand has really been affected – and it’s a brand that we do so much work on … We do some amazing things in the Alannah & Madeline Foundation space, Black Lives Mater I feel like we’ve been the industry leader, KGI and all these other programs that happen behind the scenes that players put a lot of energy in and staff at this football club put a lot of energy in – and that’s been really hurt by this.
“Yes we’ve stuffed up, yes the brand has been affected and yes we’ve lost some respect from people in the industry, from other supporters and from our own supporters who would be feeling down about the way that the club’s been painted at the moment. But culture is what you do next. How do you bounce back? How do you prepare and put this behind you and get ready for Friday night in a massive game of AFL football? How do you look after your people to get them through and get them going again?
“I have a firm and strong belief the leaders that we have around this club – and that’s players, Peggy, Brendan, Dimma, everyone that’s in a senior management position – is pushing in the right direction. We’ve had a couple of slip-ups and a couple of massive blues, but we are pushing in the right direction. We learn, we grow and we’ve been planted again. It will be the true showing of culture.”
Asked if he had a message for Richmond fans, Riewoldt said: “I just empathise with them and say that we are in that position as well.
“There’s players here that are guttered, absolutely guttered about what’s happened because they’ve been dragged into something that is so against the grain of their own ethos and the club ethos.
“The last thing that the players want is to be in the media for the wrong reasons and that’s all I can really say is that we are bloody hurting. It’s really cut deep in a lot of our guys and I think that’s what steels us to go: ‘How can I make up for this mistake? How can I get the get love and get the connection back to those fans that have been hurt?’ Because we’ve got 100,000 members that have paid their money up.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-jack-riewoldt-on-sen-sydney-stack-and-callum-coleman-jones-fight-at-strip-club/news-story/ea9f48c339dedcbe05c38fc1821a305c
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Craddock says he’d heard whispers of more protocol breaches on the Gold Coast, where a number of Victorian clubs are currently staying.
“I heard Richmond CEO Brendon Gale say it’s all about winning … some people are onto it and I know our reporters on the Gold Coast and they were sniffing around a couple of other stories that they couldn’t get up,” he said.
“They believe there were more (breaches) involving other people.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09/07/how-richmond-could-cost-annastacia-palaszczuk-the-queensland-election/
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Lloyd on Footy Classified said if he had been in a situation where he had let down his club to such a degree he would feel the need to pay or at least contribute to the fine.
Caro mentioned the Club is looking at such things as coming to an agreement whereby Stack and CCJ agree to pay off the fine over years rather than in one hit which the AFLPA won't allow. Eg: A $150k p.a. contract would become a $125k p.a. contract or something similar.
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Richmond great Matthew Richardson launches impassioned defence after 'over the top' criticism
Glenn Valencich
7News
9 September 2020 12:59 pm
Tigers great Matthew Richardson has launched an impassioned defence of his former club ahead of Richmond’s return to the field in a top-four clash with Geelong on Friday night.
The reigning premiers have not played since last Wednesday, two days before Sydney Stack and Callum Coleman-Jones’ drunken night out on the Gold Coast.
The young teammates were banned for 10 games by the AFL and ordered to leave the Tigers’ Queensland hub.
Criticism came thick and fast after an earlier COVID-19 protocol breach involving Trent Cotchin’s wife Brooke had already pushed Richmond further into the spotlight.
But Richardson says the idea that the Tigers have a culture problem is laughable.
“(Club chief executive Brendon) Gale and the club released a statement saying they need to be better. But if you look at it in isolation two young guys made a mistake,” he told 7NEWS.com.au on Wednesday.
“How is that related to the former breach that happened a month or so ago with Brooke Cotchin? They’re not really related at all.
The Tigers will return on Friday bidding to answer questions about their motivations against the Cats, their top-four rivals and the most in-form team in the competition.
“The narrative will come up - is it going to derail Richmond’s season?” Richardson said of the fallout to the latest breaches.
“If they lose to Geelong people will start talking that (up) but I don’t think it is.
“They’ve had a pretty good year on field. Of course those two breaches were disappointing but I don’t think they’re related at all.
“It was a huge mistake. They’ve paid severely for it but if you’re trying to make out there’s big deep-seated issues at Richmond I think that’s trying to make something out of it that’s not there.”
Richardson said the Tigers must back up their words with actions and ensure Stack and Coleman-Jones, if they’re prepared to put in the hard yards, are given the chance to succeed.
The players will not be available until at least round five next season.
“(They’ve) been dealt with harshly, don’t worry about that,” Richardson said.
“I don’t think you can hang them out to dry now as players. You need to support them and help them.
“I’m sure this could be a real turning point for them in their careers - if they want to learn something from that.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-great-launches-impassioned-defence-after-over-the-top-criticism-c-1302572
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:clapping :bow Richo
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Nice change from his ridiculous overcompensating commentary during our games... :shh
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Nice change from his ridiculous overcompensating commentary during our games... :shh
Agreed.
Richo is annoying the way he goes too far the other way...
Time is right Richo to be a Tiger again.
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So Bennell’s hub breach was Melbournes second indiscretion. Can anyone explain why they copped a 50k fine compared to our 100k and why Bennell got 4 games compared to CCJ and Stacks 10 games?????
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So Bennell’s hub breach was Melbournes second indiscretion. Can anyone explain why they copped a 50k fine compared to our 100k and why Bennell got 4 games compared to CCJ and Stacks 10 games?????
Like Collingwood, the Dees first breach wasn't in Queensland.
We copped the double whammy and more severe penalties because both of ours occurred up north.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-covid19-breach-timeline-sydney-stack-callum-colemanjones-strip-club/news-story/6a344e91a33810379b45a1b4a3fb448a
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2 players involved also maybe why it's 100K
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‘I was suicidal’: Brooke Cotchin’s hub hell revealed
The wife of Richmond captain Trent Cotchin has tearfully revealed she considered ending her life amid the fallout of a AFL hub breach.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/brooke-cotchin-reveals-she-was-was-suicidal-after-breaching-covid-rules-while-in-afl-hub/news-story/1313eb8eeb7e56bd42d0e0e650c6a886
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I too was suicidal reading that article
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Gez honestly not this again in the media.No one told her to go up in the first place and alot people in our community doing it tough to.
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I too was suicidal reading that article
:lol :rollin
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What a drama queen.
Stuffs up and then guilts people into not being annoyed with her.
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I don't see the need to troll the x3 Premiership captains wife on here. We should be better than that.
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I would go as far as to say it’s trolling. More so people have a right to voice their frustrations that many people outside of the hub were and still are struggling in the wake of covid and she is throwing the suicidal word out there. Which if she is I’m sorry and I hope she finds the appropriate counselling to help quell those thoughts because her husband and kids need her in their life.
But if she’s just saying she’s suicidal and doesn’t follow up on therapy or any self care and wants to make people feel bad that they were rightfully peeed at her then she can FO because I have lost friends to suicide and it’s not a word people should throw around lightly .
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I'm not trolling.
I just think she's a drama queen for giving this crap to the HS. If you have mental health issues the best thing to do is get help - not sell yourself to a trashy paper.
I know we all need to be empathetic etc but being up there in a hub with your family is a heck of a lot worse than what some of us down here had to deal with. Let's not forget 800+ people died.
Just sounds to me like a media money grab + guilt trip to everyone who rightfully gave her an earful about her petulance.