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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 02, 2020, 01:44:02 PM
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Worst kept secret just announced officially by Gill.
2020 GF @ the Gabba.
Saturday, October 24 at night. Exact start time tbc.
MCG contract extended by one year to 2058.
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Earliest start time is 5pm local time. With daylight savings that's 6pm Melbourne time.
Hoping for a crowd of 30k but depends on health rules.
Adelaide Oval is the back-up plan.
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Concessions to Vic:
* More games at the MCG.
* Next two drafts in Melbourne.
* MCG GFs to 2058.
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Good for us. We play fine there.
Glad it's no Optus or AO vs coke + power.
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Nothing against this. If it wasn’t for the QLD hub we’d have no season so I think it a a show of good faith to have a Gabba GF.
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Any talk of where the other finals might be held?
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65, Port will get to host their home finals at Adelaide Oval including a prelim if they win their Qualifying Final.
The Eagles on the other hand due to WA's strict 14-day border quarantine would only host a home final in Perth in the first week of finals. Talk of them choosing Adelaide Oval to host a home semi and/or prelim cause they don't want to play us or Brisbane in Qld.
Vic sides with a 'home' final will get to choose the venue out of the Gabba, Metricon or Adelaide Oval. Obviously, we will pick one of the Qld ones and likely Metricon if we end up 'hosting' the Lions.
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What we're all playing for :gotigers
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2020/09/02/778358.jpg)
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65, Port will get to host their home finals at Adelaide Oval including a prelim if they win their Qualifying Final.
The Eagles on the other hand due to WA's strict 14-day border quarantine would only host a home final in Perth in the first week of finals. Talk of them choosing Adelaide Oval to host a home semi and/or prelim cause they don't want to play us or Brisbane in Qld.
Vic sides with a 'home' final will get to choose the venue out of the Gabba, Metricon or Adelaide Oval. Obviously, we will pick one of the Qld ones and likely Metricon if we end up 'hosting' the Lions.
Thanks
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AFL locks in start time for historic night Grand Final
By Damian Barrett
afl.com.au
11 September 2020
THE AFL's first night Grand Final will start at 6.30pm AEST (7.30pm AEDT).
The historic game at the Gabba is to be held on Saturday, October 24 and, due to the COVID-19 pandemic, will be the first time the Toyota AFL Grand Final is both held at night and outside of Victoria.
AFL executive general manager clubs and broadcasting Travis Auld said the 6.30pm bounce provided the industry with the greatest scope to maximise the advantages of the night timeslot.
"When making the decision we had to factor in daylight savings times in parts of the country, along with ensuring we and our broadcast partner, the Seven Network, had sufficient time leading into the opening bounce," Auld said.
"We were also cognisant of finishing the match at a suitable time for younger footy fans. The shortened game times this season should see the final siren blown and the 2020 premier officially crowned just before 10pm AEDT.
"Historically a really special part of Grand Final day is the build-up and anticipation, and we want to ensure we can share the electricity and atmosphere of the night with as many people as possible around the country.
"A night grand final is sure to be a fantastic spectacle for both the fans in stadium and the millions watching around the country and overseas."
LOCAL START TIMES BY STATE
AWST: 4.30pm – WA
ACST: 6pm – NT
AEST (local): 6.30pm – QLD
ACDT: 7pm - SA
AEDT: 7.30pm - VIC, NSW, TAS, ACT
https://www.afl.com.au/news/499145/revealed-afl-locks-in-start-time-for-historic-night-grand-final
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More than half the tickets to next month's AFL grand final have been allocated to club members, with the league increasingly confident the Queensland government will raise the crowd limit to 30,000.
... Equating to about 8,100 tickets per club.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl-grand-final-more-half-tickets-allocated-club-members-094317430.html
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At least 16,000 grand final tickets will go on sale to the public, as part of a crowd of "over 30,000" that is being now finalised with Queensland's chief health officer Dr Jeanette Young.
Mike Brady would perform his time-honoured song Up There Cazaly from a near-empty Melbourne Cricket Ground as part of the pre-game entertainment on grand final day. Brady's performance will be broadcast into the Gabba and to the television audience because of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Grand Final presenters:
Byron Pickett - Norm Smith medal
Malcolm Blight - Jock McHale medal
Simon Black - Premiership Cup ambassador
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/pickett-blight-and-black-given-roles-for-afl-finals-20200928-p55zyr.html
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3x in 4 years.
Probably a silly question - Any preference to who we play in the Granny or don't care?
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Now this question deserves a poll.
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Would love a rematch against the lions. But beating Chris Scott in a gf will be sweeter
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Would love a rematch against the lions. But beating Chris Scott in a gf, stopping Dangerflog from winning a gf & sending Little Gaz out a loser will be sweeter
e.f.a. :shh
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:lol
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Go get em tigers !.
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Prefer to play Brisbane.
Would give Geelong supporters something to whinge about.
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Now this question deserves a poll.
Poll added - see above :).
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Prelim beat Port in Port
GF best Brisbane in Brisbane
Love to see what excuses the haters would have then
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I would love to destroy the hopes of Wanklett and Dangerwank and big tubby Wankins.
Can also do Brisbane again next year. Cats won't be there again, especially if they recruit fossils like Higgins lmao
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I want Geelong.
I want to see Scott squirm as he tries to down play our winning dynasty.
I really hope someone pulls him up on those ridiculous comments he made about us not being as good as those “great” Collingwood or StKilda teams :rollin
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We're playing Geelong in the Granny.
Means no hostile crowd for us with all the Tiger supporters in Qld :thumbsup.
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The cats actually play the gabba well.Did Stanley dominate the ruck.
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Doesn't bother me, I reckon we match up alright against Geebung and are under their skin. Brisbane actually do alright against us. Here is hoping we run rings around these bastards.
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The cats actually play the gabba well. Did Stanley dominate the ruck.
Hitouts:
Geelong - Stanley 16, Blicavs 11, Hawkins 11.
Brisbane - McInerney 22, S.Martin 13.
Hitouts and clearances narrowly won by the Cats overall but they dominated general play, inside 50s and scoring shots. Geelong unusually a very even team tonight whereas 13 Lions had 10 disposals or less.
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/2902#player-stats
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Chris Scott post-game:
* Backtracked on what he said earlier this year when he thought we weren't as good as previous years. Added tonight that our last meeting in Round 17 squashed that impression.
* We've been the best team for the past 3-4 years. We've got a system that we know well and stick to under pressure as we saw last night. We back this system even when it doesn't always work.
* He said they won't be relying on the Gabba but did reel off that we lost the QF there as well as struggling to score against the Swans when they flooded.
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He also mentioned that we chose Metricon for our final, so they think we don't like playing the gabba..
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The Lions applied very little pressure particularly to geelongs defenders.
They won't get that next week.
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He also mentioned that we chose Metricon for our final, so they think we don't like playing the gabba..
We played 3 games there this year Syd,Bris and who else Sun's right.Swans flood as usual and Sun's did to if I'm correct.Had 1 loss at the gabba in how many years lol.Let's be honest last 2 games they have had training drills cats.Neither match they got tested or had to battle hard big disadvantage for me.
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Will be a very tough match.
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Buckle up it's going to be a long week.
Cue the AFL writing the narrative about how deserving Ablett and Dangerfield are...it's already started.
Will be a tough match...
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Buckle up it's going to be a long week.
Cue the AFL writing the narrative about how deserving Ablett and Dangerfield are...it's already started.
Will be a tough match...
Good.
Will make victory that little bit sweeter
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We must play really tough, hard and unsociable. Everytime ablett, dalhuis, myers get it tackle them to the ground.
Match ups.
Hawkins - Balta
Rohan - Broad
Grimes - Ablett
Baker - Myers
Astbury- Stanley when resting
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Danger - Houli (just kidding)
Go with Grimes.
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Don't be suprised to see Balta go forward to.Got to expose Taylor and Henderson slow and not great when ball hits ground we exposed there back 6 last game.
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The most glorious flag of all if we win.....just an asterisk flag and not a real flag if we lose.... :shh
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Buckle up it's going to be a long week.
Cue the AFL writing the narrative about how deserving Ablett and Dangerfield are...it's already started.
Will be a tough match...
AFL grand final will produce either Richmond dynasty or fairytale farewell for Geelong’s Gary Ablett.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/afl-grand-final-will-produce-either-richmond-dynasty-or-fairytale-farewell-for-geelongs-gary-ablett-ng-b881696364z
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He also mentioned that we chose Metricon for our final, so they think we don't like playing the gabba..
We played 3 games there this year Syd,Bris and who else Sun's right.Swans flood as usual and Sun's did to if I'm correct.Had 1 loss at the gabba in how many years lol.Let's be honest last 2 games they have had training drills cats.Neither match they got tested or had to battle hard big disadvantage for me.
Geelong's 5 games at the Gabba this year:
R10 vs North 90-57
R11 vs St K 93-34
R16 vs Ess 108-42
SF vs Coll 100-32
PF vs Bris 82-42
Their last loss at the Gabba was R22 last year by a point. Brisbane came from behind to win.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/geelong/allgames_vn.html#20
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He also mentioned that we chose Metricon for our final, so they think we don't like playing the gabba..
We played 3 games there this year Syd,Bris and who else Sun's right.Swans flood as usual and Sun's did to if I'm correct.Had 1 loss at the gabba in how many years lol.Let's be honest last 2 games they have had training drills cats.Neither match they got tested or had to battle hard big disadvantage for me.
Geelong's 5 games at the Gabba this year:
R10 vs North 90-57
R11 vs St K 93-34
R16 vs Ess 108-42
SF vs Coll 100-32
PF vs Bris 82-42
Their last loss at the Gabba was R22 last year by a point. Brisbane came from behind to win.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/geelong/allgames_vn.html#20
Record reads well , but besides lions and to a extend saints who were a bit up and down weake teams they played.
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What time does the AFL Grand Final start?
Everything you need to know about the 2020 Toyota AFL Grand Final
By Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
19 October 2020
THE 2020 Toyota AFL Grand Final between Richmond and Geelong starts at 6.30pm AEST (7.30pm AEDT) on Saturday, October 24.
It will be the first night Grand Final and the first time the decider has been held outside of Melbourne, gracing the turf of Brisbane's Gabba.
The game will also be the first all-Victorian Grand Final since 2011, which is also the last time the Cats contested a decider.
Richmond is shooting for a third premiership in four seasons, and its second successive.
The Tigers, as the highest-ranked team, will wear their home guernsey and home shorts, while the Cats will wear their white shorts.
Starting times for those watching around Australia
AWST: 4.30pm – WA
ACST: 6pm – NT
AEST (local): 6.30pm – QLD
ACDT: 7pm - SA
AEDT: 7.30pm - VIC, NSW, TAS, ACT
Starting times for those watching around the world
United Kingdom: 9.30am, Saturday
Europe: 9.30am, Saturday (western); 11.30am, Saturday (eastern)
USA: 1.30am, Saturday (west coast); 4.30am, Saturday (east coast)
Dubai: 12.30pm, Saturday
New Zealand: 9.30pm, Saturday
Thailand: 3.30pm, Saturday
Japan: 5.30pm, Saturday
Bali: 4.30pm, Saturday
How to follow the Grand Final on AFL.com.au and the AFL Live Official App
- Watch the big game on the AFL Live Official App
- Live coverage throughout the day including full match centre with all the stats and video highlights
- The latest weather information straight from the Bureau of Meteorology
- Latest pictures from our photographers
- All the news from the game including comprehensive match report, player ratings and in-depth interviews with players and coaches
What happens if scores are level at full-time?
- There will be a six-minute break.
- There will be two five-minute halves, plus time on. The first period teams will kick to the same end in fourth quarter before swapping for the second period.
- If the scores are still tied at the end of the second period, the siren will not ring until the next score, which will decide the winner.
Medal presenters
After winning the 2004 Norm Smith Medal as part of Port Adelaide's historic triumph, Byron Pickett will hand over the 2020 edition of the medal given to the player judged best on ground.
The Norm Smith Medal is traditionally presented by a previous winner, with Brisbane champion Simon Black doing the honours last year. Black has been the Premiership Cup Ambassador in 2020.
Adelaide's dual premiership coach Malcolm Blight will present the Jock McHale Medal to the winning coach.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/519583/what-time-does-the-afl-grand-final-start-
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Contrasting styles collide in grand final like no other
Daniel Cherny
The Age
October 19, 2020
Grand final: Richmond v Geelong, Gabba, Saturday night, 7:30pm AEDT
So here we are. A season like no other before it will end with two Victorian teams contesting the grand final in Queensland, the first decider played under lights. That the Tigers and Cats have qualified for the last game of the year should not be understated given they've played almost all of the season on the road as a result of the coronavirus crisis in Victoria. Had the preliminary final results gone the other way there would have been fresh suggestions this year's premiership deserved an asterisk given Port Adelaide and Brisbane had accommodating fixtures and spent much of their respective seasons at home. But there can be no such claims about Richmond and Geelong, for both have done things the hard way.
The Tigers and Cats have met just once in 2020, and it came relatively recently at Metricon Stadium on the Friday night of round 17. The stakes were high for Richmond, whose top-four hopes would have been badly jeopardised with a defeat to a red-hot Geelong. It was billed at the time as a potential grand final preview, but the game was in truth pretty dreary. The Cats were kept to just one goal in three quarters as All-Australian backman Dylan Grimes dominated proceedings for the Tigers. The margin was 32 points at the final change but things could have been a lot worse for Geelong had Richmond not kicked 5.13 to that stage of the game. The Cats issued a brief scare, lifting on the back of some aerial excellence from Esava Ratugolea, but Richmond closed it out to record a 26-point win. Jack Riewoldt yet again stood up against one of the competition's top sides, kicking four majors in a low-scoring game. The win was marred though by a hamstring injury to Tom Lynch, and more seriously, a season-ending knee injury for Tigers big man Ivan Soldo.
X-factor
There haven't been many better finals players than Dustin Martin, if any. The Richmond champion added another chapter to his extraordinary big-game reputation with a best afield showing against Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval in Friday night's thrilling preliminary final. Martin enters the grand final as favourite to win what would be a third Norm Smith Medal. Should he salute he would become the first man to achieve the feat, and secure his status as a legend of the game.
Then there is the other No.4. Gary Ablett will line up for his 357th and final AFL match in the grand final, and he is far from limping to the line. When the Lions threatened in Saturday night's preliminary final, it was the dual Brownlow medallist who split the game open with two telling third-quarter goals. It's the closest thing the AFL has to the Chicago Bulls' Last Dance, and Ablett is jiving to the end.
Tactics
It's become something of a cliche, but it is undeniable that this match can be portrayed as chaos (Richmond) v control (Geelong). A hallmark of the Tigers' success over the past four seasons has been their desperation to keep the ball moving forward, while their glut of hard-running flankers mean they are rarely outnumbered. Conversely, the Cats have developed a cautious defence-first game style in which they are comfortable chipping the ball around, hanging onto possession to maintain their shape.
Richmond had been comfortable picking two ruckmen before Soldo got hurt but over the past couple of weeks have relied on Toby Nankervis getting the job done with some pinch-hitting from David Astbury. Rhys Stanley has been reliable – by his standards – for the Cats this year and gets help from the supremely versatile Mark Blicavs. Geelong have also benefited from Tom Hawkins' brute ruck force at forward-50 boundary throw-ins.
It's hard to envisage either side making an unforced change at selection this week. Both Ratugolea (Cats) and Mabior Chol (Tigers) have had their moments this year but they were too few and far between to justify the addition of an extra ruck-forward option. Brad Close and Tom Atkins played a lot of footy as pressure forwards for Geelong this year but Ablett's return has led to a selection crunch and Sam Simpson has done enough since being recalled. Josh Caddy, Jake Aarts and Oleg Markov all have claims for selection at Richmond but look set to be hard-luck stories.
Prediction
It's the meeting of two very well-drilled teams, both of whom have stars across all lines. Geelong's best football has been spellbinding this year, and as much as a team that has won three flags already this century could make for a fairytale – a Cats flag would be just that given Ablett's swansong and Patrick Dangerfield's missing CV item. But Richmond have won six of their past seven knockout finals and the memory of their comfortable round 17 win looms large. Tigers by 21 points.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/contrasting-styles-collide-in-grand-final-like-no-other-20201018-p56670.html
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For those in Qld, public tickets go on sale at 9am today via the ticketmaster website.
A crowd of 30k is allowed.
source: ABC
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I'm hearing chasos style versus a more composed style.How wrong they a last 2 games we have been winning differently winning the centre square with Nank and our midfielder winning clearances big difference and that's against sides we beat saints and power ranked highly in that stat.
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ABC24 saying the GF is sold out.
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ABC24 saying the GF is sold out.
Yep in 20 mins
My niece logged in at 8.30am and joined the queue and missed out
I wasn't allowed to give her access to my membership GF ticket guarantee :'(
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More than 8000 Richmond fans will have first access to Grand Final tickets as the Tigers prepare to take their shot at a dynasty. The Tigers have 3,503 Queensland-based members.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/8000-richmond-fans-will-have-first-access-togrand-final-tickets-but-victorians-locked-out/news-story/330ec93752d31213f0b13f3b5954cf0d
You're niece is stiff, WP :(.
Hope Julz got a ticket.
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Storms are predicted for Saturday's AFL grand final at the Gabba. Does that mean the game could be postponed?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-20/brisbane-storms-predicted-for-saturdays-afl-grand-final/12784964
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Brisbane forecast - Saturday 24 October
Summary
Min 19
Max 29
Possible shower.
Possible rainfall: 0 to 6 mm
Chance of any rain: 40%
Brisbane area
Partly cloudy. Medium (40%) chance of showers. The chance of a thunderstorm. Light winds becoming northerly 15 to 25 km/h during the morning.
http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/forecasts/brisbane.shtml
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Storms are predicted for Saturday's AFL grand final at the Gabba. Does that mean the game could be postponed?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-20/brisbane-storms-predicted-for-saturdays-afl-grand-final/12784964
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Brisbane forecast - Saturday 24 October
Summary
Min 19
Max 29
Possible shower.
Possible rainfall: 0 to 6 mm
Chance of any rain: 40%
Brisbane area
Partly cloudy. Medium (40%) chance of showers. The chance of a thunderstorm. Light winds becoming northerly 15 to 25 km/h during the morning.
http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/forecasts/brisbane.shtml
Storms are pretty common this time of year. I remember when they shifted the old Gold Coast Indy to late October. I reckon nearly every race there was a storm that went through in the last 10 laps. Caused carnage on the track.
The storms are usually big but isolated around Brisbane (they generally split the city to the north and south).
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More than 8000 Richmond fans will have first access to Grand Final tickets as the Tigers prepare to take their shot at a dynasty. The Tigers have 3,503 Queensland-based members.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/8000-richmond-fans-will-have-first-access-togrand-final-tickets-but-victorians-locked-out/news-story/330ec93752d31213f0b13f3b5954cf0d
You're niece is stiff, WP :(.
Hope Julz got a ticket.
What went on the sale this morning were the left over tickets after members got the first 3k of the 8k for Richmond and then same = whatever was left after Geelong members got theirs
Balance went on sale to the general public at 9am this morning
My niece really didn't stand a chance
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More than 8000 Richmond fans will have first access to Grand Final tickets as the Tigers prepare to take their shot at a dynasty. The Tigers have 3,503 Queensland-based members.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/8000-richmond-fans-will-have-first-access-togrand-final-tickets-but-victorians-locked-out/news-story/330ec93752d31213f0b13f3b5954cf0d
You're niece is stiff, WP :(.
Hope Julz got a ticket.
section 25 next to the interchange bench :thumbsup
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I feel sick about Saturday. I can not watch footy on TV, I nearly had a great attack last weekend. Please give us another 100 point win tigers :bow
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More than 8000 Richmond fans will have first access to Grand Final tickets as the Tigers prepare to take their shot at a dynasty. The Tigers have 3,503 Queensland-based members.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/8000-richmond-fans-will-have-first-access-togrand-final-tickets-but-victorians-locked-out/news-story/330ec93752d31213f0b13f3b5954cf0d
You're niece is stiff, WP :(.
Hope Julz got a ticket.
section 25 next to the interchange bench :thumbsup
Barrack hard for all of us Julz :thumbsup
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I feel sick about Saturday. I can not watch footy on TV, I nearly had a great attack last weekend. Please give us another 100 point win tigers :bow
I share the same view.
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Guys can we get some good analysis on the game GF etc matchups, must do's, must not be interesting on everyone's take ?.
The cats a the media darlings this week even with all fans fairy tale this fairy tale that.Keep hearing tigers Chasos style v cats build up play that is wrong we can win different ways winning the centre bounce and clearances to been massive last 2 weeks.Pressure and our intensity is the key cats don't like it has to be red hot for 4 qtrs.Need to take our chances to and be ruthless.Lions didn't expose them with there speed we need to.Our smalls need to get involved in this game cats don't match up on quality smalls like Bolton and Rioli and hopefully George can get involved.They need to bring the heat on there back 6 to.The ruck battle will be interesting Nank and Stanley I'll back Nank to run Stanley around the ground.
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Guys can we get some good analysis on the game GF etc matchups, must do's, must not be interesting on everyone's take ?.
The cats a the media darlings this week even with all fans fairy tale this fairy tale that.Keep hearing tigers Chasos style v cats build up play that is wrong we can win different ways winning the centre bounce and clearances to been massive last 2 weeks.Pressure and our intensity is the key cats don't like it has to be red hot for 4 qtrs.Need to take our chances to and be ruthless.Lions didn't expose them with there speed we need to.Our smalls need to get involved in this game cats don't match up on quality smalls like Bolton and Rioli and hopefully George can get involved.They need to bring the heat on there back 6 to.The ruck battle will be interesting Nank and Stanley I'll back Nank to run Stanley around the ground.
Both sides are significantly stronger than last time we met.
Changes since Round 17:
Richmond (4 changes)
IN: Prestia, Broad, Edwards, Astbury.
OUT: Ross, Soldo, Markov, Aarts.
Geelong (5 changes)
IN: Stanley, Ablett, Selwood, Rohan, Simpson.
OUT: Jarvis, Fogarty, Ratugolea, Atkins, Close.
A quick team 'match-ups' put together:
(Assuming no changes to both sides from the Prelims)
B: Vlastuin Balta Grimes
Dahlhaus Hawkins Rohan
HB: Houli Broad Baker
Ablett Blicavs Miers
C: McIntosh Prestia Pickett
Duncan Dangerfield Menegola
HF: Bolton Martin Castagna
Stewart Kolodjashnij O'Connor
F: Rioli Lynch Riewoldt
Bews Taylor Henderson
R: Nankervis Cotchin Edwards
Stanley Selwood Parfitt
I/C: Lambert Short Graham Astbury
Guthrie Tuohy Simpson Henry
We match up well on Geelong with various options to change if things aren't working or to find an advantageous mismatch.
We've got the choice of playing either Astbury or Balta on Hawkins. In recent weeks, Balta takes the No.1 forward while Astbury plays the 2nd ruck role.
Geelong don't really have a 'traditional' CHF. They use mobile tall-ish utilities like Blicavs, Menegola or Ratugolea (when he's played against us) to play that higher hit up role. Broad usually plays on this type.
When Dangerfield moves or even starts forward then we may have to change things around. Astbury onto Hawkins if we use Balta on Danger. Or there's Grimes, Floss or Broad. Having two defenders on the bench (one tall, one small) gives us flexibility.
Duncan is a talisman for them IMO. Geelong's version of Steele Sidebottom. You just can't allow him to run around freely as he will cut you up if he gets plenty of uncontested ball. Need someone who will make him accountable. I went with Kmac.
Dusty usually gets Stewart when we he plays forward but Geelong are talking this time about using Kolodjashnij.
The key of course is in the midfield. Both sides will rotate a long list of names heavily through there. Geelong like Port usually need/want to dominate the clearances. Matching them in the guts in terms of contested footy and clearances will go a long way to us getting over the line. We've been able to do this our past two finals wins against the Saints and Port. Obviously we also need to bring our A-grade pressure and tackling game as Geelong like to control the ball from defence to forward of centre. Collingwood and Brisbane didn't turn up to play and applied little or no pressure which allowed the Cats to slice through them.
Ruck wise I think we will use Balta in there for his athleticism against Stanley & Blicavs as well as Nank & Astbury. Lynch to take the ruck at forward stoppages.
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Guys can we get some good analysis on the game GF etc matchups, must do's, must not be interesting on everyone's take ?.
The cats a the media darlings this week even with all fans fairy tale this fairy tale that.Keep hearing tigers Chasos style v cats build up play that is wrong we can win different ways winning the centre bounce and clearances to been massive last 2 weeks.Pressure and our intensity is the key cats don't like it has to be red hot for 4 qtrs.Need to take our chances to and be ruthless.Lions didn't expose them with there speed we need to.Our smalls need to get involved in this game cats don't match up on quality smalls like Bolton and Rioli and hopefully George can get involved.They need to bring the heat on there back 6 to.The ruck battle will be interesting Nank and Stanley I'll back Nank to run Stanley around the ground.
Both sides are significantly stronger than last time we met.
Changes since Round 17:
Richmond (4 changes)
IN: Prestia, Nankervis, Edwards, Astbury.
OUT: Ross, Soldo, Markov, Aarts.
Geelong (5 changes)
IN: Stanley, Ablett, Selwood, Rohan, Simpson.
OUT: Jarvis, Fogarty, Ratugolea, Atkins, Close.
A quick team 'match-ups' put together:
(Assuming no changes to both sides from the Prelims)
B: Vlastuin Balta Grimes
Dahlhaus Hawkins Rohan
HB: Houli Broad Baker
Ablett Blicavs Miers
C: McIntosh Prestia Pickett
Duncan Dangerfield Menegola
HF: Bolton Martin Castagna
Stewart Kolodjashnij O'Connor
F: Rioli Lynch Riewoldt
Bews Taylor Henderson
R: Nankervis Cotchin Edwards
Stanley Selwood Parfitt
I/C: Lambert Short Graham Astbury
Guthrie Tuohy Simpson Henry
We match up well on Geelong with various options to change if things aren't working or to find an advantageous mismatch.
We've got the choice of playing either Astbury or Balta on Hawkins. In recent weeks, Balta takes the No.1 forward while Astbury plays the 2nd ruck role.
Geelong don't really have a 'traditional' CHF. They use mobile tall-ish utilities like Blicavs, Menegola or Ratugolea (when he's played against us) to play that higher hit up role. Broad usually plays on this type.
When Dangerfield moves or even starts forward then we may have to change things around. Astbury onto Hawkins if we use Balta on Danger. Or there's Grimes, Floss or Broad. Having two defenders on the bench (one tall, one small) gives us flexibility.
Duncan is a talisman for them IMO. Geelong's version of Steele Sidebottom. You just can't allow him to run around freely as he will cut you up if he gets plenty of uncontested ball. Need someone who will make him accountable. I went with Kmac.
Dusty usually gets Stewart when we he plays forward but Geelong are talking this time about using Kolodjashnij.
The key of course is in the midfield. Both sides will rotate a long list of names heavily through there. Geelong like Port usually need/want to dominate the clearances. Matching them in the guts in terms of contested footy and clearances will go a long way to us getting over the line. We've been able to do this our past two finals wins against the Saints and Port. Obviously we also need to bring our A-grade pressure and tackling game as Geelong like to control the ball from defence to forward of centre. Collingwood and Brisbane didn't turn up to play and applied little or no pressure which allowed the Cats to slice through them.
Ruck wise I think we will use Balta in there for his athleticism against Stanley & Blicavs as well as Nank & Astbury. Lynch to take the ruck at forward stoppages.
Great work mate summed it up well.Pressure is the key we can't let Hawkins get lace out passes to him his hard to beat, but in general we don't allow this.Have to be super discipline to nothing stupid.If someone's clear to have a ping at goal take it not share it around when in distance.
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Hey Mightytiges
Nankervis played against Geelong in Round 17.
It will be Broad who is new from that game
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Showers threaten AFL grand final
By Toby Crockford
Brisbane Times/The Age
October 21, 2020 — 3.22pm
A shower and humid conditions could dampen spirits for the AFL grand final on Saturday, with the chance of a shower reaching Brisbane in the late afternoon and evening.
The Bureau of Meteorology says there is also the risk of thunderstorms in the state's south-eastern corner, but they are forecast to fall away from the Gabba.
Meteorologist Rosa Hoff said the shower and storm activity would be caused by a combination of a coastal trough, an upper trough system and a surface trough moving through Queensland.
"We’ll have fairly cloudy and humid conditions for the AFL grand final on Saturday with the chance of a shower in the late afternoon and evening in Brisbane. If we see any thunderstorm activity, it’s much more likely to be further inland and not make it to the Gabba itself," Ms Hoff said.
The three troughs will create favourable conditions for storms, with showers and potential storms to reach the south-east on Sunday and showers set to linger over the east coast into next week.
"Other than those humid conditions, winds will be fairly light and conditions fairly cloudy. For the rest of Queensland, we do have showers and thunderstorms for inland and south-east Queensland today and tomorrow," Ms Hoff said.
"Severe thunderstorms are possible in this region and if we do see any severe thunderstorms develop, it is possible we could see some damaging winds, heavy rainfall and even some large hail.
"With these storms, they are most likely for further inland parts up to the south Carnarvon Ranges [in central Queensland] and potentially even to the east coast as well.
"These will then retreat back to inland parts, giving fairly sunny conditions on Friday around the coast, but exacerbating shower and storm activity for inland Queensland.
"Not only do we have widespread shower and storm activity from Friday, but we’re also expecting some severe thunderstorms to be possible over the wider area."
In terms of temperatures, the mercury level will remain high this week with tops creeping up to 27 degrees on Thursday and 29 on Friday and Saturday, before peaking at 30 on Sunday.
Maximum temperatures were expected to range 3-6 degrees above average both overnight and during the day, according to the weather bureau.
Rainfall in Brisbane was expected to be up to 35 millimetres from Sunday to Tuesday.
Thousands of tickets for the AFL grand final in Queensland sold out in under 20 minutes on Tuesday morning. An AFL statement said more tickets might be available if there are unused allocations.
The crowd number at the Gabba will remain capped at 30,000.
Fans took to Twitter about the race to obtain general public tickets, which went on sale at 9am on Tuesday, with one writing: "always knew it would be the hottest ticket in town!"
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/showers-threaten-afl-grand-final-20201021-p5676x.html
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Hey Mightytiges
Nankervis played against Geelong in Round 17.
It will be Broad who is new from that game
Cheers Gracie :cheers.
My post above fixed.
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Showers threaten AFL grand final
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/showers-threaten-afl-grand-final-20201021-p5676x.html
If there's any rain it would aid us. Make it harder for Geelong to play their kick & mark possession game.
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If both Dangerfield and Ablett were forward, does grimes go to Dangerfield and broad onto Ablett?
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The five grand factors:
AFL.com.au looks at the five biggest factors to consider ahead of the Grand Final
By Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
22 October 2020
WHERE will Saturday night's Grand Final be won and lost?
And how do both Richmond and Geelong gain a crucial advantage?
AFL.com.au looks at the five biggest factors to consider ahead of the Grand Final.
WILL DUSTY BECOME THE GREATEST EVER FINALS PLAYER?
Dustin Martin is perhaps one Grand Final away from being considered the game's greatest ever finals player. The Richmond superstar is gunning to become the first ever three-time Norm Smith medallist, while he could also add a third premiership to his incredible list of accolades on Saturday night. Remarkably, in his 11 finals since the start of 2017, Martin averages 22.5 disposals, 4.4 clearances, 12.9 contested possessions and 8.8 score involvements per game. From those 11 finals, the brilliant Tiger has also kicked 21 goals himself and provided a further 15 goal assists. It's rare air, a record that few players – including fellow dual Norm Smith Medal winners like Gary Ayres, Andrew McLeod and Luke Hodge – have managed. Champion Data also notes that Martin's average of 20.1 AFL Player Ratings points throughout those 11 finals matches are significantly more than any other player in the same period (Luke Shuey's average of 17.0 from eight matches is the second-most of any player with more than one final). Adelaide couldn't counter Martin in 2017, and Greater Western Sydney failed to get close in 2019. Can Geelong in 2020? Cam Guthrie could be his direct match-up through the middle, while Jake Kolodjashnij has been earmarked as a potential opponent should Martin go forward.
WHERE DO YOU PLAY DANGER?
Forward or midfield? It's the conundrum that has grown in significance over the last five matches, where Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield has pushed forward successfully to average two goals per game. However, perhaps an even more pertinent question on Saturday night might be – can Richmond take the option away from Geelong coach Chris Scott? Dangerfield's forward splits throughout the finals series have been relatively simple. Against Port Adelaide, where the Cats trailed for much of the game, Scott smashed the 'break glass in case of emergency' sign and Dangerfield spent 67 percent of his time in the midfield. Against both Collingwood and Brisbane, where Geelong built steady leads from the outset, Scott was able to use Dangerfield more sparingly through the midfield. In those two games, Champion Data notes that he spent just 14 percent and nine percent of his time in the middle respectively. Able to have an impact in both areas of the game, Geelong is likely to continue being flexible with where Dangerfield plays on Saturday night. If the Cats lead early, expect him in attack. If the Tigers make a hot start, expect him in the middle.
HOW DO YOU COUNTER TOMAHAWK'S RUCK THREAT?
Tom Hawkins is a genuinely good forward 50 ruckman. A feature of last Saturday night's preliminary final victory over Brisbane was his ability to physically beat Oscar McInerney at stoppages, but it was not a one-off. Remarkably, Champion Data notes that Hawkins has won first-possession at forward 50 stoppages a total of 32 times this season. It doubles that of Marcus Bontempelli, who ranks second in that particular category with just 16. Hawkins uses his size to win front position, then frequently takes possession rather than trying to tap to a teammate. Although he won 11 hitouts (with three to advantage) in the preliminary final, it was his ability to cleanly grab the footy and gain more territory – or even the occasional shot on goal – that was the most dangerous aspect of his time in the ruck. It's just another threat that the Coleman Medal winner poses in the Geelong forward line. It will be intriguing to see whether Richmond uses athletic 194cm youngster Noah Balta – likely to be his defensive match-up for the game – in the ruck against Hawkins as well.
CATS MUST BRING THE BALL TO GROUND
This is a non-negotiable. Regardless of who is the target inside 50, whether it's Tom Hawkins, Patrick Dangerfield or Gary Rohan, they must make a contest. Richmond is among the best transition teams in the competition, and it starts from the intercept work of its defenders. Champion Data notes that the Tigers average 14.7 intercept marks and 64.6 intercept possessions in victories this year, significantly more than in defeats (10.6 and 58.8 respectively). Furthermore, they haven't lost this season when taking more than 14 intercept marks in a game. The ability of players like Dylan Grimes, Nick Vlastuin, Noah Balta and David Astbury to intercept and begin chains from the backline is the centrepiece of how they play. Keeping them accountable, which largely happens by either marking or bringing the ball to ground to retain possession in the front-half, will therefore be key for the Cats. Balta is likely to take Hawkins, but Dangerfield moving forward could force Grimes into a direct match-up and has been earmarked as a way Geelong could counter Richmond's intercept threat. Grimes (five intercept marks) and Vlastuin (four) dominated the last time they played the Cats (a 26-point victory in round 17), as the Tigers finished with 16 intercept marks for the match. Allowing them to take as many this weekend won't bode well for Chris Scott's side.
THE TIGERS ARE WINNING OUT OF THE MIDDLE
Just when you thought Richmond wasn't already hard to beat, the Tigers have now become an elite centre clearance side as well. Richmond had a centre clearance differential of -1.7 during the home-and-away season, ranked 16th in the League. However, during the finals series, that differential has improved to +8.0. It's the best of any finals side by some distance. The improvement was noticeable during last weekend's preliminary final win. In a round 11 loss to Port Adelaide, Richmond lost the centre clearance battle 5-20. On Friday night, the Tigers won the centre clearance battle 11-4 against the same opposition and subsequently won the match. The turnaround has come at the perfect time, given the location of this year's Grand Final. A series of past Brisbane players and coaches have spoken publicly about the importance of winning centre clearances at a Gabba ground that is second only to the SCG for the shortest in length in Australia. Winning that contest from the centre on Saturday night could therefore be pivotal to winning the territory battle, and maybe even the premiership itself.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/520406/the-five-grand-factors-will-dusty-become-the-greatest-ever-finals-player-
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Ross Lyon & Matthew Lloyd's Grand Final preview on Footy Classified
13 Tigers are going for their 3rd flag: Vlastuin, Grimes, Prestia, Martin, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Edwards, Astbury, Houli, Rioli, Lambert, Nankervis & Broad.
Selwood going for his 4th at Geelong. Ablett, Hawkins & Taylor going for their 3rd.
Both sides have midfield depth:
"I look at these match ups, and the quality of these players is phenomenal." - @matthewlloyd18
and Ross Lyon take a look at the Grand Final midfield battle.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1318874462054469633
Nankervis Stanley
Martin Dangerfield
Prestia Guthrie
Bolton Duncan
Cotchin Selwood
Edwards Parfitt
McIntosh Menegola .... wing
Richmond's improvement in centrebounce clearances:
Differential
Home/Away -4
Finals +8 1st in the AFL
Prelim +7
Stoppage set-up:
Richmond brings up two small forwards (eg: Dusty & Lambert) which drags defenders with them and opens up the Tigers' forward line with a 4-vs-4.
Question for Geelong is do they follow these small forwards to the stoppage or stay back and leave a Dusty all alone.
Defensively at stoppages Richmond protects the corridor. Forces the opposition to kick to the spare in Vlastuin.
Lyon would play a drop off defender against us.
Increase in Geelong's mark & play-on percentage:
In Round 17, Richmond was too good for Geelong.
Once a team that moved the ball slowly, the Cats are now playing with a bit more dare, according to Ross Lyon.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1318875972121382913
R17 vs Rich 23% Loss
QF vs Port 22% Loss
SF vs Coll 29% Win
PF vs Bris 33% Win
In Round 17, Geelong were slow and forced sideways until they turned over the footy. Geelong in their past two finals are moving the ball quickly hitting up quickly short targets or via a handball receive.
Geelong forward line:
Tom Hawkins has been unstoppable all season, so how do the Tigers stop him on Saturday night?
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1318876601417871362
In Round 17, Richmond forced Geelong to kick high and long inside F50 to Hawkins which allowed Grimes to spoil and intercept mark. This frustrated Hawkins. You want to mark Hawkins frustrated. Don't allow easy hit-ups which Hawkins has had against Collingwood and Brisbane.
Geelong will play Dangerfield forward as a 2nd marking forward to stretch Vlastuin & Grimes. Ratagolea as a 2nd forward took marks and kicked two goals in the last quarter of the Round 17 game against Richmond. Geelong have learnt from this and now play Dangerfield as the 2nd marking forward.
Martin:
There's a lot of noise and hype around Dustin Martin, but what makes him such a difficult player to match up on?
Ross Lyon and @matthewlloyd18 take a look at why.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1318876295200149504
Dusty will take you as his opponent out of your comfort zone. He's multi-talented and smart which makes him hard to match up on and for the opposition to get their switch over right as he moves between midfield and the forward line.
Accuracy in front of goal matters:
Since 1998, five sides have lost the premiership due to poor goalkicking.
1998 North 8.22-70 lost to Adelaide 15.15-105
2005 West Coast 7.12-54 lost to Sydney 8.10-58
2008 Geelong 11.23-89 lost to Hawthorn 18.7-115
2009 St Kilda 9.14-68 lost to Geelong 12.8-80
2012 Hawthorn 11.15-81 lost to Sydney 14.7-91
Odds (PointsBet):
Head to Head:
Richmond $1.80
Geelong $2.00
Norm Smith:
$
Martin 5.00
Dangerfield 6.50
Houli 13
Prestia 13
Hawkins 13
Tips:
Lyon said his heart says Geelong but Richmond's speed could trouble the Cats. So no confidence but he is tipping Richmond.
Lloyd is tipping Richmond.
Caro - Richmond & Balta as the Norm Smith winner
Eddie - Richmond & Dusty
McClure - Geelong & Dangerfield.
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If both Dangerfield and Ablett were forward, does grimes go to Dangerfield and broad onto Ablett?
On SEN, Tim Watson said he would play Balta on Dangerfield. Balta has the perfect speed off the mark to match Dangerfield. Garry Lyon would go with Grimes.
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GRAND FINAL PREVIEW: Tigers v Cats, stats that matter, who wins and why
It all comes down to this. Who will prevail in the 2020 Toyota AFL Grand Final?
By Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
22 October 2020
SUMMARY
For the first time since 2011, two Victorian teams will meet in a Toyota AFL Grand Final. And it proves to be a corker more than 1600km away from the MCG. Two of their generation's best players Dustin Martin (Richmond) and Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong) will go head-to-head, while rival spearheads Tom Lynch and Tom Hawkins will lead their respective attacks. The Tigers are chasing their third premiership in four years in what would rubberstamp one of the most remarkable dynasties in the modern game. At the Cats, champion Gary Ablett is looking to finish his epic 356-game career with a third flag.
WHERE AND WHEN: Gabba, Saturday October 24, 6.30pm AEST (local), 7.30pm AEDT
WEATHER: Brisbane is expected to reach a maximum of 29c throughout the day with only a 30 per cent chance of rain in the afternoon and evening.
HOW MANY WILL BE THERE? Due to COVID-19 restrictions, the crowd has been capped at 30,000. After corporate tickets and members were allotted seats, tickets went on sale to the general public Tuesday and sold out within 20 minutes.
ENTERTAINMENT (split pre-game and half-time): Rising rock trio DMA'S will headline a contingent of Australian artists that includes Cub Sport, Sheppard, Electric Fields, Wolfmother lead singer Andrew Stockdale and the Queensland Symphony Orchestra.
WHO WILL PRESENT THE CUP AND MEDALS? World No.1 tennis player and Tigers fan Ash Barty will present the cup to Richmond if successful, while Geelong champion Ian Nankervis is in line to take the honours should the Cats salute. 2004 Norm Smith medallist Byron Pickett will present this year's medal, while dual Adelaide premiership coach Malcolm Blight will hand over the Jock McHale Medal to the winning coach.
UMPIRES: Matt Stevic (eighth Grand Final), Simon Meredith (sixth), Craig Fleer (first)
WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR?
Round 17: Richmond 7.15 (57) d Geelong 4.7 (31)
The Tigers' manic pressure kept the Cats to their lowest score of the season. Emerging youngster Shai Bolton collected three Brownlow Medal votes for his 18 disposals on a night Jack Riewolt kicked four majors. The Cats were without Joel Selwood, Rhys Stanley, Gary Rohan and Gary Ablett, while the Tigers were missing Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia and David Astbury.
WHAT TO WATCH FOR
Richmond
The Tigers' extra emphasis on winning the clearances compared to round 17. Despite winning that night over the Cats, they lost the stoppage count by 16. The Tigers were ranked 17th in the competition for clearance differential (-5.6) during the home and away season but have jumped to become the No.1 team this finals series with an average of +4.7 on their opponents. On the flipside, the Tigers have gone from the best team in scoring from opposition turnovers (45.4 points per game) to the third-worst in finals with 29.7 points per game.
Geelong
Can the Cats avoid being sucked into Richmond's pressure and get the game on their terms? The Cats love to control possession but it's gone to a new level during finals with an average of 76 more disposals per game compared to their opponents. While the Cats recorded 32 more touches than the Tigers in round 17, most were while over-possessing trying to get out of trouble. For example, Mitch Duncan had 83 per cent of his touches in the defensive half compared to his season average of 56. There will also be a strong focus on who takes Dustin Martin. When he's forward expect Jake Kolodjashnij or Tom Stewart to get the job and in the midfield it is likely to be split between Cam Guthrie and Brandan Parfitt.
WHAT THE STATS SAY
- The Tigers defenders have been on song this finals series. Dylan Grimes has won six of 10 on-on-one contests to be the No.1 ranked player the category, while Nathan Broad, Nick Vlastuin and Jayden Short are yet to lose a one-on-one contest.
- The second-best team for turning rebound 50s into forward 50s during the season at 26.4 per cent per exit, the Tigers have been clogged up in the finals, dropping to 13 per cent.
- Between the two sides, Dustin Martin and Joel Selwood have enjoyed the biggest jump between their home and away season and finals for this year. Martin's Champion Data average player rating has ballooned from 12.6 to 20.1 and Selwood's 8.3 to 13.
- Martin is vying to become the first player in history to win the Norm Smith Medal for a third time. The superstar has two medals along with Hawthorn legends Luke Hodge and Gary Ayres, as well as Adelaide champion Andrew McLeod.
- The Cats are unbeaten from five matches at the Gabba this season with an average winning margin of 53 points. The Tigers are 2-1, losing their last game at the venue in the qualifying final to Brisbane.
- The top-five players for retention of kicks inside forward 50 this finals series belong to the Cats. The Cats have retained 77.8 per cent of Sam Menegola's kicks with Gary Rohan (71.4), Luke Dahlhaus (71.4), Mitch Duncan (70) and Gary Ablett (66.7) the next best.
- Selwood is aiming to become the club's first four-time premiership player. Selwood and Ablett are the only remaining members from the 2007 flag.
- Should the Cats win, Ablett (2009-2020) will hold the third longest stint between flags after Drew Banfield (1994-2006) and Doug Wade (1963-1975).
IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …
Richmond
After a quiet 2019 season, Jack Riewoldt exploded in last year's decider with five majors. Can he do it again on Saturday night off a similar form line? Riewoldt has kicked three goals and had just 16 disposals from his three finals to date but will again be an important cog alongside Tom Lynch in attack.
Geelong
Cats superstar Patrick Dangerfield has spoken openly in recent times about not being fulfilled as a player until he wins a premiership. Now at age 30, he gets his chance. Dangerfield starred as a forward in the semi-final win over Collingwood but was quiet by his standards in last week's preliminary final. Don't expect it to last on Saturday night.
PREDICTION:
Richmond by five points, only splitting the two teams by the round 17 result.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/520495/grand-final-preview-tigers-v-cats-stats-that-matter-who-wins-and-why
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Our Grand Final guernsey :gotigers.
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2020/10/21/6595d2bc-a24b-4eae-a1e2-a8fc4866cdde/hYJEuhHG.png?width=451&height=268)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/829399/2020-grand-final-guernsey?videoId=829399&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1603273763001
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Tigers as I mentioned this morning on @mmmhotbreakfast staying in Brisbane Friday night. They are treating it as an away game. Conscious of the traffic Saturday and to an extent their gabba form compared to Geelong
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7
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Terry Wallace's preview of GF match-ups on SEN tonight:
Richmond's forward line:
Henderson - Riewoldt
Taylor - Lynch
Kolodjashnij - Martin (when playing forward)
Richmond can go small up forward with Rioli, Castagna & Bolton down there which will be interesting especially if the ball is on the ground as Geelong are quite tall down back with the above names plus Stewart and Henry.
Plough expects Dusty to start in the middle.
Geelong's forward line:
Grimes - Dangerfield
Balta - Hawkins
Broad - Rohan
Vlastuin - Ablett
Expects Dangerfield to start forward. Paddy spent 85% of training with the Geelong's forwards group.
Astbury can roll onto Hawkins if need be but Balta has been trusted with the big jobs this year.
Plough believes Balta is a better 2nd ruck option given his athleticism but expects Astbury and Balta to continually swap roles throughout the game at times.
Ablett given too much latitude by Brisbane (Daniel Rich). Need someone who is always on him hence went with Floss.
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Plough also said Richmond's form this year hasn't been as strong as in past seasons. There would be a believe based on what they've done in past years. They might see it though as there's still plenty of improvement left in them to go to.
On the other hand, Geelong's best has been dominant and that's reflected in having the highest percentage.
The SEN bloke with Plough said Richmond has left the door open in all their finals so far but only Brisbane were good enough to take it. Brisbane on top late in 2nd qtr and 3rd qtr. Argued that in the Semi-Final, the Saints in the 3rd quarter had a number of chances but were coming from a long way back at half-time. Then in the Prelim, Port had more inside 50s.
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If both Dangerfield and Ablett were forward, does grimes go to Dangerfield and broad onto Ablett?
Hawkins/Balta, Danger/Grimes, Rohan/Broad, Ablett/Vlas, Miers/Baker, Stanley(when forward)/Astbury
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Best to worst: Every Richmond and Geelong player ranked ahead of the 2020 Grand Final
Jourdan Canil
afl.com.au
23 October 2020
PLAYER RATINGS TOP 44
1. Dustin Martin (Rich) 562.6 (midfielder)
2. Patrick Dangerfield (Geel) 533.8 (midfielder)
3. Shane Edwards (Rich) 501.1 (midfielder)
4. Dion Prestia (Rich) 489.6 (midfielder)
5. Gary Ablett (Geel) 467 (forward)
6. Tom Hawkins (Geel) 422.3 (key forward)
7. Nick Vlastuin (Rich) 403.8 (defender)
8. Kane Lambert (Rich) 397 (midfielder)
9. Sam Menegola (Geel) 387.2 (midfielder)
10. Joel Selwood (Geel) 386.2 (midfielder)
11. Mitch Duncan (Geel) 384.9 (midfielder)
12. Rhys Stanley (Geel) 384.6 (ruck)
13. Mark Blicavs (Geel) 366.6 (key defender)
14. Trent Cotchin (Rich) 354.1 (midfielder)
15. Jack Riewoldt (Rich) 344.8 (key forward)
16. Cameron Guthrie (Geel) 328.9 (midfielder)
17. Brandan Parfitt (Geel) 319.9 (midfielder)
18. Harry Taylor (Geel) 318 (key defender)
19. Dylan Grimes (Rich) 313.3 (key defender)
20. Shai Bolton (Rich) 309.5 (midfielder)
21. Bachar Houli (Rich) 305.7 (defender)
22. Zach Tuohy (Geel) 293.8 (midfielder)
23. Tom Lynch (Rich) 292.6 (key forward)
24. Gryan Miers (Geel) 292.4 (forward)
25. Luke Dahlhaus (Geel) 287.7 (forward)
26. Daniel Rioli (Rich) 278 (forward)
27. Liam Baker (Rich) 277.9 (defender)
28. Toby Nankervis (Rich) 276.2 (ruck)
29. Jayden Short (Rich) 275.5 (defender)
30. Jack Graham (Rich) 266.9 (midfielder)
31. Kamdyn McIntosh (Rich) 264.4 (midfielder)
32. Mark O'Connor (Geel) 252.7 (defender)
33. Gary Rohan (Geel) 249.6 (forward)
34. Jack Henry (Geel) 242.3 (defender)
35. David Astbury (Rich) 237.6 (key defender)
36. Tom Stewart (Geel) 235.7 (defender)
37. Jed Bews (Geel) 223.3 (defender)
38. Jason Castagna (Rich) 219.3 (forward)
39. Nathan Broad (Rich) 197.6 (defender)
40. Jake Kolodjashnij (Geel) 194.1 (defender)
41. Noah Balta (Rich) 164.9 (key defender)
42. Lachie Henderson (Geel) 155.1 (key defender)
43. Marlion Pickett (Rich) 94.6 (midfielder)
44. Sam Simpson (Geel) 41.2 (forward)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/520417/best-to-worst-every-richmond-and-geelong-player-ranked-ahead-of-the-2020-grand-final
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Doesn’t say much for Pickett being a wingman
Considering all other wingman on that list
Menegola (9th)
Duncan (11th)
MacIntosh (31st)
Caddy’s player rating is 332.4 points makes him actually 16th on that list ahead of Guthrie.
I really hope Caddy plays instead as a wingman not a forward :pray
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Caddy would be a massive surprise should he be selected- he just hasn't had the body of work this year. He could not be selected due to the uncertainty surrounding his body. These risks are too large when playing in the big dance. No change...
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Caddy would be a massive surprise should he be selected- he just hasn't had the body of work this year. He could not be selected due to the uncertainty surrounding his body. These risks are too large when playing in the big dance. No change...
Agree
There will be no change
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Caddy would be a massive surprise should he be selected- he just hasn't had the body of work this year. He could not be selected due to the uncertainty surrounding his body. These risks are too large when playing in the big dance. No change...
Agree
There will be no change
Picket wasn’t a risk last year? Caddy has the runs on the board especially in All finals he has played.
Knows what’s required and can give as much as he gets. Kicks goals too.
Pickett with his one handed body chops aren’t going to cut the mustard in a GF.
In the wet last week there wasn’t a player that was as more fumbly as Pickett and his disposal efficiency was a meagre 46%.
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Sticking tackles is the key and it's been a problem for us all year.... :shh
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How about we back the coaches and players who got us this far.Caddy body this year is not reliable.Take out Pickett you loose speed,People over reacting to Pickett last week wasn't that bad his second half was everywhere him and Mecca a there to nullify cats wingers and also push up forward. Caddy aren't playing wing.Up forward push Martin up there with Shai,Rioli etc even like last week Balta.Plenty avenue to goal.
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Key match-ups for the 2020 AFL grand final
By Jon Pierik
The Age
October 23, 2020
NOAH BALTA (Richmond) v TOM HAWKINS (Geelong)
This has an emerging star defender against the Coleman medallist. Balta spent 87 minutes on Hawkins when the teams met in round 17 and held him to one goal. Balta has the strength and size to tame Hawkins. Should he be successful, it will allow fellow defender David Astbury to be used as the back-up ruckman.
TOM LYNCH (Richmond) v HARRY TAYLOR (Geelong)
Lynch booted 1.2 and had five scoring involvements before injuring his hamstring when the teams last met. He will look to use his athleticism to exploit Taylor, although the veteran Cat has been in superb touch. Mark Blicavs will roll back and help Taylor.
DUSTIN MARTIN (Richmond) v JAKE KOLODJASHNIJ (Geelong)
The importance of the dual Norm Smith medallist has been so pronounced through the finals that he has been involved in 40 per cent of the Tigers' scoring. Kolodjashnij, Tom Stewart and even Jed Bews shape as his likely opponents when he pushes inside 50. When on the ball, a Cam Guthrie, Brandan Parfitt or Jack Henry need to get involved defensively.
NICK VLASTUIN (Richmond) v PATRICK DANGERFIELD (Geelong)
Dangerfield's move up forward has largely been a success, although he did not hit the scoreboard last week despite spending 91 per cent of the game inside attacking 50. Vlastuin, key stopper Dylan Grimes and Nathan Broad are all options to take him. If he goes into the midfield there could be a mouth-watering, one-on-one battle with Martin.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/key-match-ups-for-the-2020-afl-grand-final-20201023-p567v3.html
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Have the Cats learnt enough to turn tables on Tigers?
By Michael Gleeson
The Age
October 23, 2020
In round four, Geelong played Melbourne. The game was close, decided by a kick, but it was the sort of modern, ugly contest that prompts scalding for being a blight on the game.
It was also the first game Geelong changed their style to ratchet up owning the ball. Already a kick and hold team, after this game they lifted the keepings-off style up a notch.
It was pretty effective ... until they played Richmond.
ROUND 17: GEELONG v RICHMOND
Geelong owns the ball. They win contested and uncontested possession, marks, contested marks. They destroy Richmond in clearances – 32-16 and 10-2 in centre clearances. They monster them in owning the ball.
Geelong kick four goals. They lose the game comfortably.
The teams were different - we'll get to that – but the Cats learned two things. The first is you cannot play slowly. Richmond don't fret about losing clearances or possession, their patience is waiting to inevitably give the ball back then quickly send it to the other end of the ground to score. You go slow, they punish you fast.
The second point they learned is you need more than one credible and viable tall forward target.
The speed you bring the ball in and the number of forward targets are linked.
Richmond love slow movement. Their team defence rolls across the back 50 arc filling holes like wet sand filling footprints in the shallows.
If you have just a Tom Hawkins as the primary forward target they know where the ball is going to go so they close up around him. Richmond players know how, when and where to cover for one another and fold back into the right places and spaces.
So when Noah Balta is on Tom Hawkins, if the Cats bring it in slowly to Hawkins then Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlastuin have time to cut across and mark.
So first, the quicker you bring the ball forward the more chance Hawkins has. Second, you have to give the Richmond defenders more players to worry about than Hawkins.
The Collingwood semi-final was when the Cats really pulled the trigger on this newer game.
They moved the ball fast. They still heavily possessed it but they got the ball in quickly.
And as importantly, they started Patrick Dangerfield forward and kept him there.
A CHANGED TEAM
In round 17, Geelong's forward line had Ben Jarvis on debut, Brad Close in his eighth game and Lachie Fogarty in his sixth.
On Saturday the forward line will have Dangerfield, Gary Ablett and Gary Rohan.
Ablett might be in his last game but who is really brave enough to ignore him and zone off him? Rohan has a modest finals record but try to think of him as medium-sized, fast pressure player and an advance on the kids who were there last time.
And then there's Dangerfield forward.
"Ablett will get [Bachar] Houli or [Jayden] Short I'd say, like Brisbane did with Daniel Rich, and just make it a shootout between them," said former Geelong and Essendon assistant coach Rob Harding.
"[Nathan] Broad potentially goes to Rohan. It's harder for Richmond to drop off the forwards this time when it's Ablett. Grimes, you'd think, has to go to Dangerfield."
This is why Dangerfield forward is so crucial. The question of Dangerfield has been whether you can afford to take him out of the midfield. Against Richmond, the question is can you afford not to play him forward?
Richmond, too, will be significantly different and better for changes on field - Dion Prestia, Shane Edwards and David Astbury weren't there last time.
Geelong actually play a similar defensive style to Richmond with Harry Taylor and Lachie Henderson trying to block the run and jump of the forwards, waiting for Mark Blicavs or Tom Stewart to arrive to mark or spoil as third man in.
Blicavs starts on a wing but pushes back to play as basically a seventh defender. He is very clever at getting into the leading lanes of forwards such as Tom Lynch, so even if he is not always in marking contests he cuts off leading options.
He is also important in not losing contact with Dustin Martin when the Tiger star rolls from the middle to the forward line.
Richmond use the width of the ground and their wingers Marlion Pickett and Kamdyn McIntosh are incredibly important links in that. Their running ability end to end and use of them as release players from defence is crucial to Richmond.
McIntosh and Pickett are important in pulling the Geelong wings, especially Blicavs, who is their most important structural player, away from their roles.
"The greasier conditions, maybe rain, will suit Richmond's style of play and ball movement," Harding said.
Tactically, we know what Richmond will do - they have been doing it and doing it better than anyone for four years - the question is whether the Cats' tweaks are enough to break that style.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/have-the-cats-learnt-enough-to-turn-tables-on-tigers-20201023-p567ws.html
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WHICH GRAND FINAL TEAM HAS THE STRONGER 'TAIL ORDER'?
BY SEN
23 October 2020
Often big finals are determined by the performances of both teams’ bottom five players as much as the top five.
Tim Watson and Garry Lyon both believe players 16 to 22 for both Richmond and Geelong will be crucial to the result on Saturday night.
They’ve gone through who those players are, which team has the stronger ‘tail’ and what it will mean for the game.
Watson: I went through the list of players on both teams and this is no reflection on the players. Any player playing in this Grand Final is a really good player. We all know, you’ve got your top five players and your bottom five players and maybe they will determine the outcome of this game.
Lyon: So just know that the bottom five players of either of these teams are going to be premiership players, to just put that into some perspective. This is not a demeaning exercise.
Watson: Both teams have got really good bottom five players which is why they’re playing off in the Grand Final. For Richmond for me, their bottom five players, in no particular order, Marlion Pickett, Jason Castagna, Nathan Broad, Kamdyn McIntosh and Daniel Rioli. And for Geelong Sam Simpson, Lachie Henderson, Jack Henry, Jake Kolodjashnij and Gary Rohan.
Lyon: I went Pickett, Broad, Castagna, McIntosh and Astbury instead of Rioli. The other ones I had, Simpson, Kolodjashnij, Henry, Dahlhaus and Miers.
Watson: They’re very talented bottom five players.
Lyon: They are, that’s what separates them from the other 16 teams.
Watson: I think on talent, Richmond has a more talented bottom five than Geelong.
Lyon: It’s interesting isn’t it. Talent wise yes, reliability I go probably the other way a little bit.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/22/which-grand-final-team-has-the-stronger-tail-order/
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A thing to note is the breaks are longer in the GF.
Quarter time and Three-quarter time breaks are 8 minutes long.
Half-time break is 27 minutes.
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https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/1319404622591651841
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Grand Final eve media conference pics:
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Damien Hardwick described the grand final as “a celebration of both clubs” after spending more than 100 days living interstate.
Richmond are chasing back to back premierships for just the third time in their history, and victory will also see them winning three of the last four flags. Hardwick said his players had to remain focused on beating Geelong instead of worrying about trying to create history.
“You can sit there and dream as much as you like but the fact of the matter is you’ve got to do a hell of a lot of work to get there. We’ve given ourselves an opportunity,” Hardwick said.
Richmond beat Geelong earlier in the season and Chris Scott said his team clearly had to play differently to win the premiership.
He said the Tigers had been the AFL’s best team for several years and everyone knew they had to search for the secrets to beating them.
“In the back of our mind it has been really clear that Richmond have been the best team and if you’re going to win the premiership, you’re more than likely going to have to beat them,” Scott said.
“We were aware that our system was going to have to stand up against them. They’ve been the benchmark.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/richmond-tigers/afl-grand-final-2020-how-chris-scott-and-damien-hardwick-handled-the-hub-to-earn-grand-final-chance-ng-b881701965z
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Who let go of the cup first? :shh
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Brad Johnson just tipped Geelong - home & hosed... :clapping :gotigers :shh
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Brad Johnson just tipped Geelong - home & hosed... :clapping :gotigers :shh
Has he tipped us at all this year?...actually I don't give a stuff!
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I want everyone to pick the Cats, it will build even further momentum for a back against the walls victory - not for us but for a media narrative
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2020 Grand Final Record:
https://issuu.com/lifestyle1-media/docs/afl_record_-_grand_final_2020/1?ff
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Caddy would be a massive surprise should he be selected- he just hasn't had the body of work this year. He could not be selected due to the uncertainty surrounding his body. These risks are too large when playing in the big dance. No change...
Agree
There will be no change
Picket wasn’t a risk last year? Caddy has the runs on the board especially in All finals he has played.
Knows what’s required and can give as much as he gets. Kicks goals too.
Pickett with his one handed body chops aren’t going to cut the mustard in a GF.
In the wet last week there wasn’t a player that was as more fumbly as Pickett and his disposal efficiency was a meagre 46%.
Let's hope if Pickett does go the bump, he actually connects and does some damage :shh
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Saturday 24 October
Summary
Min 22
Max 27
Shower or two. Possible evening storm.
Possible rainfall: 2 to 6 mm
Chance of any rain: 70%
Brisbane area
Cloudy. High (70%) chance of showers and patchy rain, most likely from the late morning. The chance of a thunderstorm in the evening. Winds northerly 15 to 25 km/h.
http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/forecasts/brisbane.shtml
First bounce: 25 degrees
Half-time: 23 degrees
source: 7news.
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Brad Johnson just tipped Geelong - home & hosed... :clapping :gotigers :shh
Has he tipped us at all this year?...actually I don't give a stuff!
I want everyone to pick the Cats, it will build even further momentum for a back against the walls victory - not for us but for a media narrative
Andy Maher and Sam McClure have also tipped Geelong.
It's us vs the world Hafey style :thumbsup :gotigers.
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WHO WILL WIN THE GRAND FINAL? THE CASE FOR BOTH RICHMOND AND GEELONG
BY SEN
23 October 2020
It all comes down to Saturday night. Richmond versus Geelong for the 2020 AFL Premiership, arguably the toughest won flag of all-time.
Who will win? Who should you tip?
We’ve made the case for both teams.
The Case For: Richmond
To put it simply, Richmond has the runs on the board to make them tough to tip against this year. They’ve won two of the last three Grand Finals and have a full-strength side available.
The Tigers have won four of their last five against Geelong and comfortably handled them earlier in 2020, with the takeaway from the game being that the Cats’ style did not hold up to Richmond’s pressure and spread.
Geelong only managed four goals in that game (three of which were in junk time), with the 26-point margin flattering given Richmond kicked 7.15 and 4.10 after half-time.
It was as comprehensive a win over a fellow top four team that we have seen in recent times and though coach Chris Scott and the Cats will likely make changes to their plan, it’s hard to see how enough changes to swing the result.
Geelong won more of the ball, took 40 more marks and doubled Richmond in the clearances … and could only kick one goal across three quarters. It seems to suggest that the Tigers are capable of taking the full brunt of their game style and dominate the contest anyway.
This points to a comfortable win for the Tigers on Saturday night, particularly if the rain starts coming down. Richmond might be the best wet weather team we have seen this decade.
- Nic Negrepontis
The Case For: Geelong
It all comes down to this for a Geelong side that has showed a remarkable level of consistency across the most turbulent season in history.
Away from their favoured GMHBA Stadium for most of 2020, Chris Scott has taken his side back to Grand Final for the first time in 2011 and would quite rightly fancy themselves against Richmond.
Chaos versus control has been the central theme leading up to the game – and the Cats will have to control this one from the outset and blunt the Tigers’ hallmark forward handball style, much like Brisbane were able to do against them in the qualifying final.
Why should you tip them? Geelong possesses two of the game’s best players in Patrick Dangerfield and Tom Hawkins and if allowed off the leash, they can take the game away from anyone.
Up against a Richmond side looking to win their third flag in four years, a Cats win would be a fitting farewell for Gary Ablett in his final game of football.
It would also be Dangerfield’s crowning moment, who has never previously played in a Grand Final despite lighting up the competition in previous seasons.
There’s no underestimating the task ahead for Geelong, who will start Saturday night’s Gabba Grand Final as outsiders.
But as this season has shown, not much phases this side and they’re well placed to bounce back from their Round 17 loss to the Tigers and claim footy’s ultimate prize.
- Laurence Rosen
Overall tip: Richmond by 14 points.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/23/who-will-win-the-grand-final-the-case-for-both-richmond-and-geelong/
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AFL Grand Final 2020 preview
Richmond vs Geelong: stats, analysis, who will win, tactics, keys to victory, news
MAX LAUGHTON
FOX SPORTS
24 October 2020
It’s a fitting showdown for Richmond and Geelong, the two best teams of the last two years, and it’s clear the Grand Finalists have been preparing for this very match-up.
We run through the keys to success for both teams and where the flag will be won and lost.
For so long, the Tigers have defined modern footy with their dominant intercept game, allowing them to control territory and score from it.
But after their qualifying final loss to Brisbane, there was a clear personnel shift, and it has flipped their style on its head.
“We’ve seen over the years, you want territory – that’s how you win big finals,” Brisbane great Jonathan Brown said on Fox Footy’s Ultimate Preview.
“Richmond started their run as a territory team, a forward-half turnover team when they won in 2017.
“And just remember last year, they won the Grand Final with absolute dominance around the stoppages against what was last year’s best stoppage team in GWS.”
The Tigers’ centre bounce line-up now typically includes some combination of Dion Prestia, Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin and Dustin Martin – a switch for Dusty, who has spent plenty of time in the goalsquare this year.
It’s the centre bounces where the Tigers now dominate, with the 6-6-6 rule forcing even numbers. However around the ground, they’re less impressive.
Perhaps even more stark is the change in how Richmond is generating territory.
Having focused on winning the ball via turnover in the home and away season, the Tigers are now getting it at the source and pushing forward.
“It’s a shift in the investment of your stars. You’re moving your higher-quality players up to the stoppage, so you’re going to win them more often than not,” Brown said.
“That’s a huge shift. That’s taking pressure off your defence, and giving your small crumbing forwards repeat opportunities to score.”
It doesn’t matter where they’re winning the ball – Richmond just wants to get it forwards. Fast.
The key to this success in the finals series has been through what David King coined the ‘Tiger line’, which is the area of the ground just inside the centre square where they can do the most damage.
“Any time you see a handball go from the logos into the corridor, to the wing line, they’re queuing up,” King explained on Fox Footy.
“And then the game goes from first gear to overdrive straight away. The forwards light up. Opposition plus-ones or loose men are rendered useless, and they get good quality one-on-ones when they go in.
“With the ball in contest, they’re getting themselves ready, and this is where the speed comes in. It’s super aggressive.”
But it’s not unstoppable. Brisbane found success in the qualifying final by focusing on halting this sort of ball movement.
It’s not clear whether the Cats have the right personnel to do the same thing though. As detailed below, Chris Scott’s side has sped up its own ball movement this finals series, but they can’t reach Richmond’s heights.
“If Geelong want to go fast, they’ll (Richmond) keep going faster, because they’ve got a higher speed limit than any other team,” Brown said.
All year the Cats had great success running out games, with their older bodies clearly enjoying the shortened quarters.
They were dominant after halftime, turning slender leads into thumping wins.
However something has changed in their two finals victories – they’re starting well, instead.
It’s an impressive and important shift, as seven of the last 10 Grand Finals have been won by the team that led at quarter-time.
It also means the Cats can play their preferred game style and dominate possession, going slow if they need to, rather than being forced to play fast and loose to get back into the game.
Richmond might’ve improved in the midfield this finals series, but they’ve got a ways to go to catch the Cats.
Chris Scott’s side ranks second in the AFL for clearances and first for scores from clearances – it’s their bread and butter.
The problem for the Tigers is they rank 12th for pre-clearance pressure applied, meaning they haven’t shown an ability to stop opposing midfielders at the coalface.
“Around the ball, the size of the Cats is going to be an issue. It’s their greatest strength,” St Kilda champion Leigh Montagna said on Fox Footy’s Ultimate Preview.
“They’re not a team that tends to just throw it on the boot and get territory, a bit like Port Adelaide or Richmond. They love to come out the front, take on the tackle and use the ball.”
The notable exception is Patrick Dangerfield, who is one of the best players in the AFL at extracting the ball from stoppages and driving it forward – but not with the best accuracy.
In one example shown on The Ultimate Preview against Richmond during the home and away season, Dangerfield thumped the ball forward, but the Tigers vacuumed it up and quickly rebounded for a score.
“There’s a better balance now with him in the forward line as opposed to in the midfield. He’s a high metres gained player, we know he can burst through stoppages, but he can tend to blast it at times and make it difficult for the forwards,” Montagna said.
“With the other guys in there, (Mitch) Duncan particularly, (Cam) Guthrie, (Brandan) Parfitt, (Sam) Menegola and (Joel) Selwood, they’re very good at using their hands and taking better looks.”
Duncan has had a tremendous finals series, with half of his inside 50s finding a teammate’s hands, while defender Tom Stewart has also become a sneaky threat up forward.
But a lot of this success is because suddenly the Cats aren’t taking forever to get the ball forward.
Their worst game of the year – against Richmond – saw them constantly kicking into a well set-up Tigers defence, because they gave Damien Hardwick’s side the time to prepare.
But there has been a dramatic shift since the qualifying final loss to Port Adelaide, with an almost 50 per cent increase in the number of times the Cats play on from marks in defence.
“It’s an adjustment made with Richmond in mind,” Saints great Nick Riewoldt said on Fox Footy.
“We know how organised Richmond are behind the footy, that’s their great strength … the quicker you move it, the less time they have to get all set up.”
It means the Cats aren’t controlling the footy quite as much – they averaged 85 uncontested marks across the home and away season, but 75 in their finals wins – but it’s clearly working.
If the Tigers get the game on their terms, and can move the ball downfield at speed, they’re going to be hard to stop.
The premiers love a chaotic contest on a wing, with their talls knocking the ball forwards or finding a running teammate who can quickly get it to Tom Lynch or Jack Riewoldt.
They’ve had great success against Geelong in recent years doing exactly this.
However the Cats have been even more stifling than usual from this source in this finals series.
Of the 107 times an opposing team has rebounded the ball from their defensive 50 this October, just once have they scored.
That’s an unsustainably low rate, but if the Cats can get anywhere close to that on Saturday night, they’re a real chance of winning the whole shebang.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-preview-richmond-tigers-vs-geelong-cats-stats-analysis-who-will-win-tactics-keys-to-victory-news/news-story/3d86adc202d46f17408193d6ed26e33e
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Brad Johnson just tipped Geelong - home & hosed... :clapping :gotigers :shh
Has he tipped us at all this year?...actually I don't give a stuff!
I want everyone to pick the Cats, it will build even further momentum for a back against the walls victory - not for us but for a media narrative
Andy Maher and Sam McClure have also tipped Geelong.
It's us vs the world Hafey style :thumbsup :gotigers.
'Experts' tips ...
The Age
Richmond (7):
Emma Kearney, Matthew Lloyd, Bec Goddard, Michael Gleeson, Daniel Cherny, Jake Niall, Caroline Wilson.
Geelong (7):
Jon Pierik, Sam McClure, Peter Ryan, Scott Spits, Wayne Carey, Bob Murphy, Greg Baum.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-expert-tips-winning-margins-and-norm-smith-medal-predictions-20201023-p5684h.html
Foxsports
Richmond (10):
Matt Balmer, Dermott Brereton, Nick Dal Santo, Ben Dixon, Jason Dunstall, Nick Riewoldt, Kath Loughnan, Max Laughton, Tom Morris, Kelli Underwood,
Geelong (14):
Jonathan Brown, Gerard Healy, Brad Johnson, David King, Alastair Lynch, Garry Lyon, Cameron Mooney, Leigh Montagna, Drew Jones, Sarah Jones, Bob Murphy, Sarah Olle, Ben Waterworth, David Zita.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-winners-2020-tips-predictions-richmond-vs-geelong-grand-final-preview-norm-smith-medal-first-goal/news-story/3e5e171d189205f0d22c54cbd4df0de1
Nine's Footy Show
Richmond: Kane Cornes
Geelong: Damian Barrett
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Pressure Pressure and tackling that's the key really high intensity for 4 qtrs.Get a good start and kick straight important.Win the centre clearances and contested ball or breake even.Delivery in 50 has to be accurate not bombing it in smalls need to do there job and terrorise cats back 6.Use our speed and run and carry to expose them also. No missed tackles,fumbles and stray hand balls skills need to be spot on and finely a even 22 contribution. :gotigers
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Have an uneasy feeling that soft spud Rohan will bob up on the end of a few... :shh
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Have decided night Grand Finals are a joke
This waiting around all day crap is well crap
:banghead
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Especially when you have been awake since 0430
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Have an uneasy feeling that soft spud Rohan will bob up on the end of a few... :shh
I will back our back 6 there a strong unit George to kick a few today :rollin
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BTW
Just wanted to confirm the AFL haven't made a rule change during this week and reduced the number of players taking part in the game?
Going by the media there are only 3 players, playing tonight
Danger, Ablett One and Dusty ::)
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AFL Grand Final 2020, Richmond v Geelong: How the game will be won and lost
Al Paton and Liam Twomey
Herald Sun
October 24, 2020
Richmond take on Geelong as they go in search of back-to-back flags and a third in four years. Geelong is looking to give superstar Gary Ablett the fairytale send off to retirement.
So where will the game be won and lost? Jon Ralph takes a look.
Dustin Martin versus Jake Kolodjashnij
Footy’s larrikin-turned-choir boy is as close to perfect in the cauldron of finals football as a player can be. He will not only tackle the best the Cats can throw at him, he is fighting against history as well.
No player has won three Norm Smith Medals before, with a trio of these feted awards putting him on the fast-track to Hall of Fame legend status as soon as he becomes eligible.
Geelong need to tag him with Cam Guthrie but probably won’t, so his regular Cats forward match-up Kolodjashnij needs to control him as he wanders up the ground into stoppages, which is where he creates so much havoc.
Bachar Houli versus Luke Dahlhaus
They don’t write songs about dual Norm Smith Medal runners-up, but Houli’s brilliance after finishing behind only Dustin Martin in two Grand Finals is unquestioned.
Houli and Richmond will try to orchestrate a match-up on the least lethal Cats forward so he can surge into space at every opportunity and turn counter-attack into offence.
Dahlhaus was his opponent in last year’s preliminary final, and must get dangerous from the opening bounce to plant the seed of doubt into Houli.
If he can’t stop his rebound he needs to kick multiple goals the other way.
Jack Riewoldt versus Lachie Henderson
As triple Coleman Medallist Riewoldt was kicking his fifth goal in last year’s Grand Final Henderson was on footy’s scrapheap, eventually delisted by the Cats.
He fought his way back onto the rookie list and has arguably been Geelong’s most consistent player across three finals.
After 13 seasons and at his third club, this former top 10 pick gets his date with destiny.
Riewoldt has only a single goal in his past two finals, so is he ready to erupt or can Henderson stifle one of footy’s most dynamic weapons on his way to holding up the cup?
Tom Hawkins versus Noah Balta
Hawkins emerged onto the scene described by premiership coach Denis Pagan as an “18-year-old Tony Lockett” while Balta was immediately compared to five-time All Australian Alex Rance.
Both are living up to the lofty expectations but at opposite ends of their career.
The Tigers defender mixes freakish athletic powers with a canny sense of when to spoil and when to throw himself skyward to intercept mark, but knows there is no more dangerous opponent than Hawkins.
He will get plenty of help from his teammates but in a handful of contests this will be a pure a show of strength between the 30-game kid and a veteran who knows every trick in the book.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-richmond-v-geelong-how-the-game-will-be-won-and-lost-ng-b881702537z
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Today Richmond are the AFL's bad guys - but the bad guys are going to win
Josh Elliott
theRoar.com.au
24 October 2020
Here’s something that I, as a post-’90s North Melbourne fan, have never had the opportunity to actually know: when a football team has gone through a rich period of success, does winning really still mean as much?
I was alive to see North Melbourne win premierships on TV, but I don’t have a moment’s memory of it. And the one defining football experience I crave is to be in the stands watching as my team wins the premiership. Give me that, and I’ll die happy – at least as far as football fandom ambitions go.
At that point I imagine I would become a footballing Buddha – completely at peace with the sport and willing to watch any team win with grace, for I have seen all the success that I need to. It’s a nice idea.
But is that actually what happens to football fans when they get a taste of success? Is it what would happen to me? Well, we might never find out with regards to the latter – but it’s clear in the lead-up to this week’s grand final that supporters of both Richmond and Geelong remain as hungry as ever.
And there’s good reason for that. While both fan-bases have lifted the premiership cup in recent memory, both still have plenty to gain from winning the 2020 premiership tonight.
For Geelong, 17 of the 22 members of their squad would be premiership players for the first time. That in itself is more than enough motivation for any team, and to see great stories like Tom Stewart, Mark Blicavs or Sam Menegola collect a medal would warm the hearts of every Cats fan.
Of course, more promiment than any of those names is Patrick Dangerfield, one of the great players of the modern era, who at the age of 30 and after playing in five preliminary finals at two different clubs is finally getting his first chance at a grand final.
A premiership is the most lusted-after thing on any all-time great’s resume and it’s the only thing left missing from his.
Should the Cats fall short, Joel Selwood and Gary Ablett won’t exactly finish their careers feeling like they failed – both have had more success than any footballer coming into the system could dream of achieving.
But for Selwood there is an opportunity to become the only four-time premiership player in the history of the Geelong Football Club, and to win a premiership as captain for the first time. For Ablett there’s the opportunity to end his career on the ultimate high note, to be the prodigal Son of God who returned to deliver premiership glory.
Richmond’s narratives don’t have quite the same drama. They’ve won two of the last three already, and have only a single player in their squad – Noah Balta – who would have to continue life without a premiership medal should they lose tonight.
And should that happen, no Richmond fan will find themselves feeling that this side’s success in recent years does not satisfy. These Tigers have already written themselves into history as the team that broke the club’s longest premiership drought, and went on to dominate the competition.
Still, many of you would’ve seen Brendon Gale’s bold three-flags-by-2020 prediction doing the rounds on social media this week, and while two out of three ain’t bad – as the AFL’s most infamous grand final entertainer would say – it would be beautifully symbolic of the Richmond renaissance for them to achieve exactly that.
It’s fair to say, too, that there’s no love left to lose between these two fan-bases. Perhaps neither is the other’s most famous rival, but they might well be their most bitter.
Both of Richmond’s recent premierships have involved knocking off the Cats in September. In 2017 it was their breakthrough qualifying final win, which drew inevitable controversy as a ‘home’ final for the Cats, fixtured at Richmond’s preferred venue of the MCG.
Then there was last year’s preliminary final, when Geelong so very nearly pulled off one of the great upsets, only to be sunk by five goals from Tom Lynch. Mark Blicavs on the wing, anyone?
Geelong coach Chris Scott has clearly never felt a need not to add fuel to the fire. In 2019 he said the Tigers weren’t as good as in their minor premiership-winning previous season. Earlier this year he claimed Richmond don’t compare to the great Hawthorn, Geelong, St Kilda or Collingwood sides of the past decade.
You might well agree with him, but it’s rare that a coach would be so straightforwardly honest in his assessment of a rival team – particularly one that, by any measure, has stood head and shoulders above the rest of the competition these past three years.
Winning tonight may well vindicate Scott’s comments, losing will open up yet another barrage of critcism. The margin between those outcomes is razor-thin and Scott’s reputation has as much if not more to gain – or lose – tonight as anyone else’s.
He is already a premiership coach, but on that many would say was lucky to inherit a premiership-ready team. I don’t necessarily agree with that, but it’s a refrain that will keep being echoed in his direction until he proves himself again.
Tonight will be Scott’s 211th game coaching the Cats since that 2011 flag win. No one in history has coached so many games at the same club between consecutive premierships – after ten years at the helm, no one could say this isn’t every bit a Chris Scott team.
We neutral fans are often drawn to the narrative, and I’ll admit that, like most others I suspect, I’ve been won over by Geelong’s. The many reasons why have all been listed above, the one that stands out the most is the desire to see Gary Ablett Junior go out on a high.
And there’s good reason to believe exactly that will happen. My statistical tipping model says the Cats by three points, 12 of the 13 tracked on Squiggle are also backing the white and navy blue.
But my gut? My gut says there’s no other way this ends than with Richmond lifting the cup again. In the eyes of many the Tigers may be the villains of the piece, but that’s the great thing about footy – sometimes the villains win.
That in itself can be a motivation – that siege-mentality, backs-against-the-wall opportunity to win a ‘screw you’ premiership even after every neutral fan has grown sick of seeing you succeed (or at least, that’s what they’ll tell themselves). See Hawthorn in 2015 for the best example.
The Tigers like to play intense, fast-paced football, a brand that’s well suited to what we’re expecting will be wet, possibly even stormy Queensland conditions. Geelong on the other hand are known for slower ball movement, set shots and uncontested possession – a style that may prove difficult to practice. I’m expecting that to be the difference.
I’ve tipped some grand finals in the past on who I wanted to win, a narrative I bought into because I wanted to see it happen. It worked okay for the Bulldogs in 2016, not so much Fremantle in 2013, or the Giants last year.
Not this time: I’m tipping 2020’s bad guys. Richmond by 18, Dustin Martin to make yet more history with a third Norm Smith medal. Come on Geelong – prove me wrong.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/10/24/today-richmond-are-the-afls-bad-guys-but-the-bad-guys-are-going-to-win/
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ROB HARDING'S ULTIMATE GRAND FINAL PREVIEW
BY ROB HARDING
SEN
24 October 2020
Well, we finally made it!
The 162nd and final game of the longest AFL season is here, and it’s the dynasty against the fairytale.
Richmond is shooting for their third premiership in four years. Three flags put them in the Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane Lions territory for team of the 21st century.
For Geelong, a fourth flag in this era would be a remarkable achievement, and cap off the retiring Gary Ablett’s return to the club, as well as see one of the best players of the era, Patrick Dangerfield, finally achieve premiership success.
Last three meetings
2020 Round 17: Richmond 7.15.57 d. Geelong 4.7.31 (26 points). Metricon Stadium (N)
2019 Preliminary Final: Richmond 12.13.85 d. Geelong 9.12.66 (19 points). MCG (N)
2019 Round 12: Geelong 16.8.104 d. Richmond 5.7.37 (67 points). MCG (N)
Something of note: Richmond has won four of the last five meetings between the two clubs since the start of 2018, yet in all five games, Geelong has won clearances and contested possession.
While this has given the Cats initial field position, the Tigers have been able to counter-punch effectively from their back half. In their last two meetings, Richmond scored 5.7 (out of 7.15) and 6.7 (out of 12.13) from their back half.
By way of comparison, Geelong has kicked only two goals from the back half in their last three games against Richmond.
Last time they met
On a Friday night in Round 17 at Metricon Stadium, the Tigers recorded a comfortable 26-point victory over the Cats.
The margin didn’t reflect the Richmond dominance, as Geelong kicked just 1.5 up until the five-minute mark of the fourth quarter.
Richmond’s defenders were able to drop off and prevent Tom Hawkins generating any one on ones against Noah Balta, with Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlastuin leaving their young Cats opponents to provide support. The pair recorded 19 intercept possessions between them on the night.
Geelong were able to control possession with their kick and mark game, but Richmond successfully prevented them gaining any field position, teasing short kicks to the boundary line and keeping Geelong in their back half.
Richmond’s ability to counter attack from their defensive half was outstanding, kicking five of their seven goals from the back half, unsettling the Geelong defence. Had they kicked accurately in front of goal in the third quarter (2.8), the margin would have been significantly greater.
The Tigers win came at a cost, with Tom Lynch suffering a hamstring injury and Ivan Soldo a season ending knee injury.
There will be significant changes from the last time the two sides met.
Stanley, Selwood, Rohan, Simpson and Ablett all return for the Cats, while Richmond bring in Premiership players Prestia, Edwards, Astbury and Broad.
What Richmond learnt during the finals
Despite subtle variations over the years, Richmond’s system has remained relatively consistent since their first premiership in 2017.
This finals series, two key areas have stood out – their stoppage work, and the impact of their half forwards.
Stoppages have long been a vulnerability of this Richmond side. In the last four home and away seasons, they have ranked 17th, 16th, 18th and 11th for Clearance differential.
The impact of their clearance losses has been negated by the strength of their back six and their great ability to counter-punch, using their speed and spread in transition to outnumber from contest to contest after the stoppage.
This year Richmond ranked 17th for clearance differential, at -5.6 a game. In finals they’ve averaged +4.7 a game, which would rank #3 during the home and away season.
The turnaround has entirely been due to centre bounce, where the Tigers have been +7, +10 and +7 over the last three weeks.
The fourth quarter of their epic preliminary final victory was outstanding in this area, winning Centre Bounce 5-0, as part of a 16-4 Clearance domination in the quarter.
The Tigers half forward running power has been central to their sustained success.
Richmond will bring one or two forwards up to midfield stoppages then reset with speed, giving the opposition the difficult decision on whether to follow the forwards into the stoppage (and leave the rest of their defenders 4v4), or drop off one forward and give Richmond the outnumber at the contest.
Tigers half forwards also have the important role of pushing back to releasing their hard working wings back into defensive 50.
In their qualifying final loss to Brisbane, Richmond were outworked in both their defensive 50 and forward 50. The Lions were able to generate shots at goal from ground level in their attack, and mop up ground balls in Richmond’s forward line to prevent the Tigers hitting the scoreboard.
The Tigers have been much better in the last two weeks, and their connection between Half Forwards, Wings and Half Backs has been back to its very best.
What Geelong learnt during the finals
Geelong’s big structural change began in the final home and away round, as Patrick Dangerfield spent more time forward to provide another focal point to Tom Hawkins.
Dangerfield kicked 3.2 in a quarter and a half against the Swans in Round 18, followed up by 22 disposals, 7 inside 50s and a long running goal against Port, and 19 disposals and four goals in a dominant display against Collingwood.
Dangerfield’s time forward is only possible if the Geelong midfield is able to break even or better around the contest.
In their three finals games, Geelong have won Contested Possession on all three occasions (+4, +22 and +16) and Clearances in their last two games (+13 and +4). The return of Joel Selwood from injury and Sam Simpson as a high Half Forward pushing into stoppage has allowed Dangerfield the time forward.
One of the biggest sources of confidence for the Cats going into the Grand Final is that they have won their last two games in different ways.
While they have been strong in the contest in both games, the Cats were able to control the ball for long periods against a tired Collingwood team in their Semi Final.
The Cats took 134 marks for the night, more than 50 more than their home and away average, which ranked #1 in the AFL.
Against Brisbane they were more direct with the football, playing a forward-half game from stoppage and contest, and not having to rely on building the ball up slowly from their defensive half.
Given the way their Round 17 loss to Richmond played out, the Cats will take a lot of belief from their preliminary final win, and the different mix of players in their forward six.
Two things to watch for
Richmond has been the best team in the last four years, and deservingly go in favourites to win their third premiership in four years.
For the Cats to win, there are two key areas they must address.
1. Geelong’s half forwards
In Round 17 the Richmond defenders were able to easily drop off Geelong’s half forwards to impact against Hawkins.
The Cats have addressed this by bringing the experience of Rohan and Ablett back into the side, and by deploying Dangerfield as a forward.
When the Cats half forwards are no longer in dangerous positions, they must reset and keep the Richmond backs engaged.
The more one-on-ones Hawkins and Dangerfield get, the better for Geelong.
2. Geelong’s defensive shape
The Cats are renowned for their strong defensive formation, preventing teams moving the ball forward with speed.
However, this has been an achilles heel against the Tigers, whose high half forwards and speed of ball have troubled the Cats out of their back half.
The key message for Geelong’s midfielders and forwards is “delay delay delay”.
Any time the Cats can buy to maintain their defensive formation and prevent Tigers fast breaks is worth its weight in gold.
Geelong can do this by coming forward to meet the Richmond surge and put pressure on the ball carrier, as Brisbane did in the qualifying final, and ensuring the have roll around support behind the ball.
Prediction
Both clubs are great role models to the competition for employing the right leaders, embedding a strong culture, and having trust and faith in the building process. As a result, the sustained success of both clubs comes as no surprise.
I was fortunate enough to be opposition analyst at Geelong for their last premiership in 2011, and would be thrilled to see a Cats flag and the fairytale complete for Ablett and Dangerfield.
It would be fitting for Chris Scott to coach his second Premiership, as the team has nearly entirely been rebuilt in his time at the club, all while retaining high positions on the ladder.
The Tigers have withstood all the distractions this year, and a third Premiership would be an appropriate reflection of their performance since 2017.
Based on their recent history, and the probability of a slippery night at the Gabba, I predict Richmond will get the job done.
Richmond by 16 points.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/23/rob-hardings-ultimate-grand-final-preview/
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Showers expected for AFL grand final but storms may hold off for final siren
Meteorologist Rosa Hoff said thunderstorms were possible over Brisbane on Saturday afternoon, but the chance of a storm during the grand final, which kicks off at 6.30pm, was still only about 20-30 per cent.
While a storm may hold off until after the game, showers are still likely during the match, Ms Hoff said.
"Showers are something we won't avoid, there's about a 60 per cent chance of a shower during the match itself," she said. "Some fairly light showers and a bit of humidity around the city [are expected]."
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/showers-expected-for-afl-grand-final-but-storms-may-hold-off-for-final-siren-20201024-p56873.html
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Balmey on the radio this arvo said Balta will play on Hawkins while Grimes will get Dangerfield (if and when the latter plays forward). Balmey said Grimesy has the speed off the mark and nous to go with Dangerfield.
Some of the Geelong sycophants and former Cats players interviewed today reckon the Cats have the advantage in the ruck and that Stanley & Blicavs will run Nankervis ragged.
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This board really needs an image re-size function... :shh
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This board really needs an image re-size function... :shh
It does ;).
Add width=pixel/cm_re-size_number inside the img tag.
eg: [img width=600]image web address[/ img]
nb. no space in the latter /img tag. I had to add a space so you could see the example.
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Mick Warner on 3aw said if the game is called-off before half-time due to bad weather such as a thunderstorm then there will be a replay held another day. But if it's called-off after half-time then the team in front will be named the winner and premiers.
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Keep the thread updated one eyed and others progress . :thumbsup
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Gabba is underwater
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Light rain at the moment but it was bucketing when I arrived at my hotel 90 mins ago
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Game will be played without any delayed or early finish :shh
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Light rain at the moment but it was bucketing when I arrived at my hotel 90 mins ago
Have a great time Julz!
It is a special event, so very special enjoy it
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Jane Bunn said rain easing up until half-time.
Hodge & Voss mentioned some puddles around the ground and that it will be wet and slippery.
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Go get em tigers pressure boys to the roof !.
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No late changes.
Teams as selected.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/geelong-cats/afl-grand-final-2020-no-late-changes-for-richmond-or-geelong-amid-drenched-gabba-ng-b881702735z
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Pressure Pressure and tackling that's the key really high intensity for 4 qtrs.Get a good start and kick straight important.Win the centre clearances and contested ball or breake even.Delivery in 50 has to be accurate not bombing it in smalls need to do there job and terrorise cats back 6.Use our speed and run and carry to expose them also. No missed tackles,fumbles and stray hand balls skills need to be spot on and finely a even 22 contribution. :gotigers
This x2. Well said georgie.
K.I.S.S. in the wet conditions, win the territory battle and take our chances in F50.
Here come the Tiges!
:pray :gotigers
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Ablett the only Geelong player smiling for their team photo...nearly all our players smiling for ours... :shh
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Good luck lad and ladettes.
C’mon boys
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Important to start well too. As you said georgie bring the pressure from the first bounce.
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CARN THE TIGERS!
EAT ‘EM ALIVE!
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On ya Ash.
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Cotch wins the toss.
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Need to adjust to conditions to cannot get to fancy and cute today.
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Floss out cold :(.
Ablett injured. Shoulder?
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Where’s our free kick?
6 weeks suspension
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stuffing danger
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Floss copped an elbow from Danger in the collision.
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Floss conscious going off on the stretcher. Probably won't come back on though :(
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Need to switch back on
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How can 4 umpires ignore that high contact?
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Diving Danger
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Fumbles :banghead
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Prestia goal :gotigers
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Kmac long bomb :gotigers
12 - 2
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Here we go, we’re on here fellas!
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Broad off too :(
poor defence by us there .
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Turnovers :banghead
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Pickett Rubbish.
Terrible decision.
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At some point we have to pick the call up and show some composure.
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Vlastuin is a massive loss - we're right up against it here... :help
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Fumbling too much, granted its slippery.
Wasting F50 entries. Can't blindly kick to their spare.
Not moving across on the switch. Need to protect the corridor.
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Got to wake up a bit few need to in the game.No chance of Nick coming on.
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Panicking to much.Skills got to be better and lift the pressure all over the ground to.
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Solid first qtr :gotigers
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Cotchin the wrong bloke to be on danger in the f50
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Gez the umpires lol holding the ball.
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Too many passengers at the moment.
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Yep we don't look good atm
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All those that wanted Pickett ahead of caddy.
I ask you.
NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Not winning this one
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We are stuffed
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Boy we are missing Vlastuin
And we are in massive trouble
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All those that wanted Pickett ahead of caddy.
I ask you.
NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Caddy won't make the difference
The entire team is getting smashed around the ground
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All those that wanted Pickett ahead of caddy.
I ask you.
NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Not a Pickett fan but he's got some mates on his level at the minute
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Duncan BOG at the minute.
Pickett is having his pants pulled down.
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We’ve come to a knife fight armed with a pop gun...
At what point does the message come out to pick the effing ball up and take some pressure off your defenders.
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We are stuffed
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Where's Nank hitting that...seriously
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All those that wanted Pickett ahead of caddy.
I ask you.
NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Not a Pickett fan but he's got some mates on his level at the minute
Yes that excuses it then.
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Dumb footy.
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Very soft, panicky and reactive
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I love Edwards. But stuff me, bend over and win possession.
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We can't keep our feet :banghead.
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Dusty fmd
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Dusty goal
understatement to say we needed that
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All those that wanted Pickett ahead of caddy.
I ask you.
NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Not a Pickett fan but he's got some mates on his level at the minute
Yes that excuses it then.
What I'm saying is, champ, no need to scapegoat him for playing like a dud when he has 20 mates doing the same
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Half time in the Soccer World Cup. Amazing scenes here.
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Some passengers tonight.
Lynch and Jack have done didn't, although Lynch held all night.
Rioli...
Grimes not doing much either.
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Balta having a mare down back, very lively when thrown into the ruck. Clone him so one can ruck all night
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To many ball watching not getting there hands dirty atleast 6 to 8 not going to win like that.Dimma needs to give them a bake not organised dumb footy at times no composure.Midfield and forward line poor no connection lack of pressure.Need yo lift.Need a few tactical changes.
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Match was gone the minute DangerDOG took out Vlastuin...completely stuffed our structure....if we get out of this from here it'll be the greatest win in the club's history and one of the greatest GF wins of all time... :shh
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Match was gone the minute DangerDOG took out Vlastuin...completely stuffed our structure....if we get out of this from here it'll be the greatest win in the club's history... :shh
We ain’t getting out from this, we are lucky to be this close.
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Well that qtr was crap. Not working hard enough as a team. Not hard enough at the contest. Panicky, brainfades galore and dumb footy in slippery conditions.
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Match was gone the minute DangerDOG took out Vlastuin...completely stuffed our structure....if we get out of this from here it'll be the greatest win in the club's history and one of the greatest GF wins of all time... :shh
^^^^^
This
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Match was gone the minute DangerDOG took out Vlastuin...completely stuffed our structure....if we get out of this from here it'll be the greatest win in the club's history... :shh
It did mate, but no exuses to adjust things going on out there not because of that.
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We aren’t going to win a wet grand final by playing a combination of volleyball and soccer. The Dam will burst sooner or later if we can’t control the ball for a decent period of time. We’ve done extremely well to only be down by 15 points but our mids need to lift big time. Being pushed off the ball way too easy.
Also, who’d want to be a forward in this team, stuff me it’s painful to watch.
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This doesn’t look good.
2021. Here we come.
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Balta having a mare down back, very lively when thrown into the ruck. Clone him so one can ruck all night
He, Short and Baker have been the best 3 down there, the others are lost
Seems like they are tagging Grimes
As for our forwards :help
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Match was gone the minute DangerDOG took out Vlastuin...completely stuffed our structure....if we get out of this from here it'll be the greatest win in the club's history and one of the greatest GF wins of all time... :shh
Agree with the Vlastuin call, I said to my mate when it happened that Tigger being out hurts us more than Ablett being out.
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Balta having a mare down back, very lively when thrown into the ruck. Clone him so one can ruck all night
He, Short and Baker have been the best 3 down there, the others are lost
Seems like they are tagging Grimes
As for our forwards :help
Baker been outstanding. Balta hasn't been horrible defensively but he's coughed the onion up plenty due to the pressure being applied by Geelong.
Who is up forward anyway ;D
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We aren’t going to win a wet grand final by playing a combination of volleyball and soccer. The Dam will burst sooner or later if we can’t control the ball for a decent period of time. We’ve done extremely well to only be down by 15 points but our mids need to lift big time. Being pushed off the ball way too easy.
Also, who’d want to be a forward in this team, stuff me it’s painful to watch.
It isn't raining and hasn't been since before the start of the game so not sure why we are continuing to play as if it is
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Who is up forward anyway ;D
I was hoping you could tell me
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Ben Nason by the look of it
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Forward line ball watching Stewart having a picnic no pressure.
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Ben Nason by the look of it
I'd take him over Castagna & Rioli at this point.... :shh
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Not enough at the contest , they had 2 to 1 most of the time in that quarter. Have a look at the complete stats to see who went missing
Very disappointing, very un Richmond like
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:shh
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22 inside 50s each :gobdrop
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Geelong has been working and running harder. It's not just on the inside. The oldest team ever is spreading in numbers faster than us on the outside :facepalm. Dimma must be doing his nut.
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It's the quality of the inside 50s. They had open marking targets and set shots. We've had none of that.
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Jack goal
26 - 35
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George goal lol
32 - 35
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Jack big hold, absolute free.
Castagna haha how did that go through
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:Banghead
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Lambert goal
39 - 42
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Dusty goal
we're in front :gobdrop
45 - 42
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People want to pot Pickett?
Then include Rioli too
Thstvwas pathetic
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Someone Capuano Houli
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#FreeKickGeelong
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Geez these umps are hot on us at the moment. 7-13 frees.
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People want to Pickett?
Then include Rioli too
Thstvwas pathetic
That was amazing. Rioli let a bloke run in and mark it from 15 metres away, that bloke kicks long while Houli watches Guthrie sit on Nank's head
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Edwards whyyyyyy
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Never been so animated watching a game. Neighbours calling the police I reckon, they'd be wondering who these Houli and Rioli characters are I'm screaming about
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3 Normies for Dustin if we get up
GO YOU TIGES
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Workrate got us back in it.
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Workrate got us back in it.
This
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Quality pressure that quarter. Our best is better than their best. One more quarter to prove it.
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I hope we can go on from here and hang on
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Prestia goal
52 - 44
well done baker
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Hold onto your hats ladies and gentlemen, these umps aren’t done yet!
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Bolton to Lynch Goal
59 - 44
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Dusty all class
66 - 44
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OUCH
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Been a Short knocker but stuff me, what a game
3 Normies for Dustin tho....:shh
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That guy has passed away
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Reckon we've got it boys?
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Yes
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That hurts the momentum
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Need to switch back on
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Need to switch back on
Professional unit.
Think we'll be ok
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Need one more!
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Reckon that incident took our momentum
Hope we can finish off :pray
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What the STUFF was Houli doing with that slide
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Lynch miss 68 - 50
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Anyone who thinks Dangerfield isn’t the biggest stager in the league only needs to watch this game.
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All over you absolutely effing C words!!
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Jack goal
74 - 50
back-to-back baby :gotigers
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F U
Dangerprick
Wanklett
Fattykins
And their pig of a coach
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I was wrong and I’m absolutely wrapped.
I love this club.
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Dusty freak goal :bow
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What an amazing team. Never say die.
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Woohoo! :woohoo
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Woo woo wee waa, what a bloody win. I was so sick of listening to the commentary team barracking for Geelong, Dangerfield and Abblett. They had to ease up in the second half.
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Match was gone the minute DangerDOG took out Vlastuin...completely stuffed our structure....if we get out of this from here it'll be the greatest win in the club's history and one of the greatest GF wins of all time... :shh
Have some faith ya flog.... :shh :shh
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Woody time
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Dusty has kicked 4 RIDICULOUS goals!
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It is indeed the greatest win i have ever seen
I thought we were gone for all money
I cannot believe it
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"Raise the fight " we did it boys and girls never underestimate this team.
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Now they can really start hating us Mwahaaahhahahah
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It is indeed the greatest win i have ever seen
I thought we were gone for all money
I cannot believe it
Yep 1000x this
A win for the ages
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Thought Dimma and the coaches did a great job at half time. Thought Balta into the midfield was a huge move.
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Could be the greatest victory in our history :gotigers
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Whatever happened at half time was awesome.
Said in my family chat in the second quarter that I hope the cats gas themselves out. Boy did they look slow, stuffed and insipid after half time. Really crapped the bed.
Nobody can ever say we are gifted home games anymore. Just need to keep pointing to umpires being on our side, despite always losing the free kick count haha.
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It is indeed the greatest win i have ever seen
I thought we were gone for all money
I cannot believe it
I’m with WP. We were no where near it.
We did the unbelievable and we have just witnessed another back to back
What a great win one of the best wins of all time.
I’m absolutely stoked.
It’s amazing. I can’t believe it.
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How good is this group, unbelievable, so proud
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Thought our first quarter was pretty good, just let them back in a bit late. Second was a bit poor, we looked like going down but only trailed by 15 in improving conditions. Third quarter is the premiership quarter & we were back in race. Last quarter & we just went from strength to strength! Ran away with it in the end, blew them away like it was a formality!
All supporters need to have a listen to our theme song - the 22 we had out there tonight lived up to it! They are the fighting fury in the flesh! What a day to be a die-hard Tiger supporter! YELLOW AND BLACK!!!
I've seen 6 flags now & tonight was our greatest so far. :gotigers
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I thought we were gone in the second quarter. Couldn’t believe they fought back. So proud of the boys and their spirit an endeavour. I am loving the salty comments on Instagram saying Martin overrated and didn’t deserve norm smith. This is the sweetest victory and will go down as one of the greats
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WOW
Just read that Bachar played with a torn calf. Did it a few minutes after Floss got knocked out
That's courage. Media will bang on about Gazza but I'd argue Bachar showed the same amount of courage
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WOW
Just read that Bachar played with a torn calf. Did it a few minutes after Floss got knocked out
That's courage. Media will bang on about Gazza but I'd argue Bachar showed the same amount of courage
Also wasn't grimacing like a wuss all night.
Honestly you wouldn't have known. Just got on with it!
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Over the moon. Had a little cry. Screamed & yelled - voice gone
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Over the moon. Had a little cry. Screamed & yelled - voice gone
So happy for you Julz, being there for it. You witnessed something extraordinary
Few tears in my house too
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Over the moon. Had a little cry. Screamed & yelled - voice gone
Great stuff, Julz. So happy for you to experience that premiership win live :).
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It’s an old saying but tonight it was so clear A CHAMPION TEAM BEATS A TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS!
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Still can’t believe it. They looked all over us in that second quarter and could have been up by more really, we just had nothing going for us forward of centre.
That second half though was almost perfect. Killed their lead within 5 minutes of the restart and never looked back.
After going 25 years of my life seeing no success we’ve now won 3 over the course of 4 years.
What a time to be alive!!!!!!
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EVERY 2020 AFL GRAND FINAL PLAYER RANKED (via AFL Player Ratings)
1. Dustin Martin (RIC)
2. Sam Menegola (GEE)
3. Toby Nankervis (RIC)
4. Jayden Short (RIC) [best game of 2020]
5. Shai Bolton (RIC)
6. Shane Edwards (RIC)
7. Dion Prestia (RIC)
8. Kamdyn McIntosh (RIC)
9. Trent Cotchin (RIC)
10. Sam Simpson (GEE)
11. Joel Selwood (GEE)
12. Patrick Dangerfield (GEE)
13. Mitch Duncan (GEE)
14. Gryan Miers (GEE)
15. Cam Guthrie (GEE)
16. Rhys Stanley (GEE)
17. Liam Baker (RIC)
18. Jack Graham (RIC)
19. Kane Lambert (RIC)
20. Gary Ablett (GEE)
21. Tom Stewart (GEE)
22. Luke Dahlhaus (GEE)
23. Bachar Houli (RIC)
24. Mark Blicavs (GEE)
25. Jack Riewoldt (RIC)
26. Harry Taylor (GEE)
27. Zach Tuohy (GEE)
28. Brandan Parfitt (GEE)
29. Jack Henry (GEE)
30. Mark O’Connor (GEE)
31. Dylan Grimes (RIC)
32. Jason Castagna (RIC)
33. Noah Balta (RIC)
34. Nathan Broad (RIC)
35. Daniel Rioli (RIC)
36. David Astbury (RIC)
37. Gary Rohan (GEE)
38. Marlion Pickett (RIC)
39. Lachie Henderson (GEE)
40. Jed Bews (GEE)
41. Tom Hawkins (GEE)
42. Nick Vlastuin (RIC)
43. Jake Kolodjashnij (GEE)
44. Tom Lynch (RIC)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-every-player-rated-144-afl-player-ratings-richmond-geelong-best-and-worst-players-on-the-ground/news-story/7c8ad1097ca0191da747a0a848d5537d
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Team Stats:
Disposals: 278 - 274 .... ( contested: 124 - 124 ; uncontested: 128 - 145 )
Efficiency%: 62.6 - 61.7
Turnovers: 69 - 72
Marks: 36 - 51 .... ( contested: 5 - 4 )
Tackles: 73 - 51
Clearances: 40 - 36 .... ( centre: 13 - 7 ; stoppages: 27 - 29 )
Inside 50s: 49 - 40
Eff% in50: 51 - 40
Marks in50: 8 - 9
Tackles in50: 8 - 14
Hitouts: 27 - 43 .... ( Nankervis 25, Balta 2 )
Bounces: 2 - 1
One-%ers: 52 - 56
Frees: 11 - 16
Individuals disposals:
Edwards 27
Short 25
Martin 21
Cotchin 19
Graham 17
Bolton 16
Baker 14
Pickett 14
Prestia 14
Lambert 13
McIntosh 13
Balta 12
Castagna 11
Houli 11
Riewoldt 9
Broad 8
Lynch 8
Nankervis 8
Astbury 7
Rioli 6
Grimes 4
Vlastuin 1 ... ( out with concussion after the first 5 minutes )
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/2904
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Good morning tiger army we sticked it all up them including the media and those clowns at afl house. :gotigers
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YOU BLOODY BEAUTY
:gotigers
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Should
YOU BLOODY BEAUTY
:gotigers
Would shout the same but voice is a little shakey this morning.
What a awesome game. It's fun reading the game thread back. Some very premature statements :snidegrin
:gotigers
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Tackling pressure was awesome
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Geelong will argue that they were playing with a torn heart muscle in the last 10 minutes
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Should YOU BLOODY BEAUTY
:gotigers
Would shout the same but voice is a little shakey this morning.
What a awesome game. It's fun reading the game thread back. Some very premature statements :snidegrin
:gotigers
That’s why I don’t post during the game.
At half time, my mate and I were saying “Can we do this to the Cats again?”
And it was almost like clockwork, that first couple of minutes where we stepped up our game, got the early goal and then another soon after.
It was clear that at ht Dimma implored the players to take their game up a notch and the Cats would fold under the pressure.
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It’s an old saying but tonight it was so clear A CHAMPION TEAM BEATS A TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS!
Thought that when the teams lined up at the start of the game. Richmond arm in arm and Geelong standing apart.
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What a awesome game. It's fun reading the game thread back. Some very premature statements :snidegrin
:gotigers
I will put my hand up and say, yep I thought we were gone at half time.
Playing poorly, no Vlastuin, back line looking very shaky, our mid field struggling and our forward line almost MIA
And even happier to say I was wrong, so wrong
As i said straight after the game it was our greatest GF win and that one I won't back away from that either
Just love this Club SO very much
:gotigers
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The system won the game .
When you think how many non contributors we had.
It's really quite amazing.
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Should YOU BLOODY BEAUTY
:gotigers
Would shout the same but voice is a little shakey this morning.
What a awesome game. It's fun reading the game thread back. Some very premature statements :snidegrin
:gotigers
:lol :rollin
I thought we were dead and buried. Exactly like the preliminary last season.
I thought we were gone for all money.
Stupidly lost the faith even though we have proved time and time again that we are never beating till that final sirens gone. :facepalm
Anyway what can I say Hardwick is a genius and our team is incredible
Dusty is a superstar.
:gotigers
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I thank the players the most for this win. They never gave up when they easily could have. I now think that Dustin Martin is the greatest player I have seen play at Richmond. Their tackling and their courage kept them in the game. When you think they were against a team that had so much motivation going for them and still won it is incredible. Plus we were a man down almost the entire game. Hats off to Hardwick as well. Apart from Martin liked the games of Short, Nank, Bolta, Baker and Bolton.
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All we had to do was reset and a bit of composure and up the anti a soon we did that cats went in there shell and didn't like it and we went up gear they we're stuck in the same one.
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This sums up why this club is so special.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/522116/riewoldt-s-heartwarming-medal-reception?videoId=522116&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1603541942001 (https://www.afl.com.au/video/522116/riewoldt-s-heartwarming-medal-reception?videoId=522116&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1603541942001)
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Not sure why- but this is the best one of the 3 for me.
Just unbelievable!
Very proud of the club and our players.
We stuck it up them!!
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We put the heat on them & the Cats folded quicker than a washing lady on washing day! Cats are lucky it was a game of shortened quarters, in a full length game that would turn a grand final into a 10-12 goal thrashing! As bad as GWS & not much better than Adelaide!
Here's hoping that we have destroyed yet another club! :santa
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Not sure why- but this is the best one of the 3 for me.
Just unbelievable!
Very proud of the club and our players.
We stuck it up them!!
for complete fulfillment and now undisputed acknowledgement-yes
the other 2 were just as good, albeit different emotions for myself.
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Eerie similarity between the 2019 Prelim (bottom) and the 2020 Grand Final (top):
(https://preview.redd.it/ppr3lquwc2v51.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7e341fda9ea5a91e2bd21e4e1548250ef342c8de)
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Listening to radio, how lucky we were, Geelong played badly, worst premiership team ever...blah blah blah, Amazingly 3 flags in 4 years and the year we didn’t win it we were minor premiers as we finished home and away first.
My theory why we won is that Geelong went flat out for the first half and couldn’t sustain it. Thoughts?
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Listening to radio, how lucky we were, Geelong played badly, worst premiership team ever...blah blah blah, Amazingly 3 flags in 4 years and the year we didn’t win it we were minor premiers as we finished home and away first.
My theory why we won is that Geelong went flat out for the first half and couldn’t sustain it. Thoughts?
We won because we have Dusty and they don't....the end! Good news Dusty will still be going around for another 4 to 5 years yet.
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Listening to radio, how lucky we were, Geelong played badly, worst premiership team ever...blah blah blah, Amazingly 3 flags in 4 years and the year we didn’t win it we were minor premiers as we finished home and away first.
My theory why we won is that Geelong went flat out for the first half and couldn’t sustain it. Thoughts?
Me personally second half we switched on more composure and went up gear players got into the game to plus a few good tactically moves .Our pressure and tackling intensity went to the roof and cats couldn't handle it they buckled.
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Grand Final coaches votes (Hardwick & Scott)
RICHMOND v GEELONG
10 Dustin Martin (RICH)
8 Jayden Short (RICH)
5 Shane Edwards (RICH)
3 Mitch Duncan (GEEL)
3 Tom Stewart (GEEL)
1 Shai Bolton (RICH)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/523032/aflca-gary-ayres-award-perfect-dusty-lands-third-trophy
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David King on 360 still talking about clubs trying to copy Richmond tactics. He's done this nearly every week.
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David King on 360 still talking about clubs trying to copy Richmond tactics. He's done this nearly every week.
Didn’t King tip the Cats to win GF? :rollin
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Top 10 players of the AFL Grand Final
No prizes for guessing who tops the list here😅
BY JAKE BENOITON -
Zerohanger.com
OCTOBER 26, 2020
There have to be standout performances should a club go on and win the ultimate prize, it takes 22 contributors if not more, but when the whips are cracking it’s the stars that separate the teams.
We take a look at the ten best players from the 2020 Grand Final.
10. Cam Guthrie (Geelong)
Guthrie topped off his career best year with a great display in the biggest game of all, he started terrifically kicking Geelong’s first goal and was everywhere as the Cats stormed to a half-time lead. But when his midfield fell away his supply lessened significantly out on the wing. He faded out of the game but it was through very little fault of his own.
9. Shai Bolton (Richmond)
Bolton was good without being great, but that was the beauty of his game. Usually one for the flashy and mercurial, on Saturday night Bolton did the simple and he did it well. His contest to set up the first goal of the game for Dion Prestia was huge and helped set the tone for his game going forward.
8. Dion Prestia (Richmond)
Prestia kicked the first goal of the game which is always a nice treat, but his game went far beyond that. It even went to a second goal, at the start of the last term which put a dagger in the heart of the Cats. Prestia was brilliant around the ball and proved damaging when he had ball in hand.
7. Tom Stewart (Geelong)
When Geelong were under the pump they offered little to no resistance, the only resistance that seemed to be there was Tom Stewart. He attempted to foil anything in his area and did so with mainly success, but there was no stopping the Tiger train when it was rolling. He was good though.
6. Toby Nankervis (Richmond)
He was instrumental in their preliminary final win and he proved to be huge again, when Nick Vlastuin went down it sent the Tigers defence into chaos. The Cats were having a easy time of it until ‘Big Nank’ went back and made it near impossible to avoid him. He crunched packs and made life difficult for Hawkins and Dangerfield.
5. Shane Edwards (Richmond)
Edwards missed most of the season, let that sink in. He has returned for finals and not missed a beat, he’s arguably been as good as he’s ever been. His skill and touch were on show as well as his as always excellent decision making, he was a critical part of the Tigers puzzle they missed all season.
4. Nathan Broad (Richmond)
May well have saved his best game for his last in a Richmond jumper, he may not be there next year but his performance will long live in the memory of Tigers fans. another man who stepped up in the absence of Vlastuin and helped the Tigers steady after a shaky first half.
3. Jayden Short (Richmond)
The booming right boot of Jayden Short has become one of the Tigers’ best assets, his run and dash as well as his decision making stood tall when the pressure was on. He defended brilliantly and when the Tigers won the ball back he was off and running. His two-way work was unparalleled on the night.
2. Mitch Duncan (Geelong)
He was outstanding, had one hand on the norm smith at half time. Duncan was everywhere in the first half, he went to the contest and got the ball moving his teams way and when the game opened up it was Duncan who began cutting Richmond to pieces by foot.
His goal oozed class, however when the Cats stopped winning the ball the outside ball supply dried up. Duncan still ended up with 30 disposals but his influence wasn’t what it was in the first half.
1. Dustin Martin (Richmond)
Hard to argue with the Norm Smith judges on this one, 4 goals, all of which mattered. His first goal kept them in the hunt going into half time as he grabbed the ball and guided it to his foot one-handed and in one motion. His second made him look untouchable, the third showed terrific goal sense and the last was just plane silly.
He rises to a level like we’ve never seen in finals and made a case as to why some see him as the games best ever finals performer. He was different!
https://www.zerohanger.com/top-10-players-of-the-afl-grand-final-richmond-67529/
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A brilliant Grand Final performance. Playing 1 down for 95% of the game. A great Premiership. Really proud of this flag. One of the better ones in our history.
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We've got to keep Broady don't we??
He is so adaptable and hard at the footy. Still young..
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Finally have internet again! What an amazzzzing win everyone! Have thoroughly enjoyed catching up on all the posts over the weekend, it was like reliving the game. :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
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Richmond Tigers forward Jack Riewoldt reveals best partying efforts during premiership celebrations
PerthNow
October 27, 2020
After a bit of confusion around Leigh Matthews’ Norm Smith medal votes, Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt has given us the numbers we really want to receive: the off-field polling.
48 hours on from the Tigers’ third flag triumph in four years, Riewoldt fronted up for his regular appearance on AFL 360.
It comes as little surprise the man who took out his third Norm Smith medal was equal to the task off the field.
“Three votes won’t be too unsurprising,” Riewoldt said.
“D Martin had a decent crack.
“We had a bloody good day actually yesterday, it was good fun.
“I reckon (Tom) Lynchy probably two, he’s the mayor of the Gold Coast as he likes to remind us.
“And one I’m gonna give to Dion Prestia.”
The polling comes after Matthews accidentally awarded two votes to Richmond defender Nathan Broad instead of his teammate Jayden Short.
The 31-year-old indicated the team has poked a bit of fun at the West Aussie following his accidental polling.
“Well, I wouldn’t have given Nathan Broad two votes, I can tell you that,” Riewoldt quipped.
“He’s smiling like a Cheshire cat (to) Broady, going ‘I got two votes in the Norm Smith’, no-one’s had the heart to tell him Lethal (Matthews) didn’t even mean to vote for him.
“I would’ve given Dustin three, Shorty (Short) I thought was fantastic, I would’ve given him two.
“And I probably would’ve given Shane (Edwards) one, Shane was awesome and his inclusion back into the team over the last five weeks can’t be understated.
“What he provides, he’s such a great player and he provided such a spark over the finals series.”
One can only assume the Tigers’ celebrations will continue in full swing once they’re home, after premier Dan Andrews today announced the re-opening of pubs and restaurants from Wednesday.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-tigers-forward-jack-riewoldt-reveals-best-partying-efforts-during-premiership-celebrations-ng-b881704419z
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WHY THE RICHMOND ROOMS WERE SO "HECTIC" AT HALF-TIME
BY SEN
27 October 2020
Richmond mindfulness coach Emma Murray has revealed what it was like in the Tigers change rooms at half-time of Saturday night’s AFL Grand Final.
Speaking on SEN's Whateley, Murray said it was hectic in the changerooms, with the Tigers trailing Geelong by 15 points at the main break.
“I pretty quickly went back down to the rooms to see (injured defender) Nick (Vlaustuin) and I ended up staying down there, and I’m always in the rooms for halftime but that was quite hectic,” Murray said.
Murray said there was one player in particular who approached her during the break which she found to be somewhat strange.
“When they (the coaches) break from their meetings is really the first time I start to talk to the players and the first player that called me over was Bachar (Houli), and he’s not one that I would typically speak to at half-time. So I thought that was a bit unusual,” she added.
“He was sort of nearly whispering and he said, ‘Oh, I’ve done my calf, I did it only a couple of minutes after Nick Vlaustuin went down and Dimma (coach Damian Hardwick) has asked me to stay out there’.
“He was sort of speaking like, ‘don’t let everyone know’, so we were just trying to get him ready to cope with that and were trying to put his focus on how he could get back out there to at least still contribute.”
Murray said young defender Noah Balta also come to her for some advice.
“I sought of went from Bachar to Noah Balta, who’s a lot less experienced than the other guys. I think he’d just done that chip kick to one of the Geelong players and was a bit rattled by that,” she said further.
“I was certainly being tested at half-time. I'm not sure what the coaches said at half-time, but it obviously worked.”
Richmond would put the hectic nature of the half-time break behind them, going on to outscore Geelong by nine goals to two to claim a comfortable 31-point victory and as a result, their third premiership in four years.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/27/why-the-richmond-rooms-were-so-hectic-at-half-time/
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Emma Murray been a star for our club.
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Finally have internet again! What an amazzzzing win everyone! Have thoroughly enjoyed catching up on all the posts over the weekend, it was like reliving the game. :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
You didn’t have internet?
Do you live in Tassie or WA?
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Emma Murray been a star for our club.
:thumbsup
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Emma Murray been a star for our club.
:thumbsup
Certainly has been
Let's hope the ridiculous soft cap cuts don't impact on Emma remaining as part of our Club
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Finally have internet again! What an amazzzzing win everyone! Have thoroughly enjoyed catching up on all the posts over the weekend, it was like reliving the game. :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
You didn’t have internet?
Do you live in Tassie or WA?
Moved house.
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GF radio calls:
3AW: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eat3yjguj545jd7/AADNoUAw_kszbQbQrqpgnEmKa?dl=0
MMM: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/93utiyyu0zmz58j/AAC4zW3sQ9QELyOEruBkTXVWa?dl=0
SEN: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/scpfv3uxllvtmyp/AACJ-ibyILmztMMgV9dhD1-qa?dl=0
ABC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_4ym_3Eaw&ab_channel=MichaelMarshallVoiceActor
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Still can’t believe we have won 3/4. Who knows how long we can stay up but all I’ll say is enjoy it while
You can folks !!! Unforgettable time to be alive as a rfc fan. Got my 2021 membership this morning. 17 years consecutively. Not bad for a 24 year old. A tiger Mum will do that. :gotigers
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Ever since 2017, everything else has just been a bonus for me, I am rapt, but 2017 was such an unexpected end of darkness moment that I will die happy, the rest just means, I will be happier lol
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Watching it again now....
4th time.
Jeez, Broad is underrated IMO.
Must sign him up.
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Watching it again now....
4th time.
Jeez, Broad is underrated IMO.
Must sign him up.
AFL.com reported today that he’s negotiating a new multi year deal to stay at Richmond and won’t be going anywhere.
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Watching it again now....
4th time.
Jeez, Broad is underrated IMO.
Must sign him up.
AFL.com reported today that he’s negotiating a new multi year deal to stay at Richmond and won’t be going anywhere.
That is great news, he is very versatile and reliable plus does what is expected of him.
I would hate to see him go.
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Absolutely!
Why would we even consider letting a 3 time premiership player, that is best 22 and only 27 years old, go??
Plus we don’t really have anyone else that plays his role waiting in the wind?
Not fussed about Higgins leaving or Bash retiring, but keep Broad FFS.
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Absolutely!
Why would we even consider letting a 3 time premiership player, that is best 22 and only 27 years old, go??
Plus we don’t really have anyone else that plays his role waiting in the wind?
Not fussed about Higgins leaving or Bash retiring, but keep Broad FFS.
It is inevitable that we will see some of these players leave though. They’ve had their success and now want to chase money ( B Ellis ) which is fair enough in my books. Hold on to the best that we can and hope the future don’t leave ( Bolton, Ross Graham, Balta ) I sense these players know that soon they will be running the joint which is why they’re signing contracts.
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Have the radio stations got the grand final somewhere where I can listen to all of the radio calls and relive all the moments whilst I drive in my car?
How about looking one page back in this thread ;)
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Have the radio stations got the grand final somewhere where I can listen to all of the radio calls and relive all the moments whilst I drive in my car?
How about looking one page back in this thread ;)
:thumbsup
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Watched it again and I would like to acknowledge the efforts of many in the first half but to single out one, it must be Pickett. Was great in the first half and a reason we were within reach starting the third. Tough hard player :shh
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Careful Machine Man, Tigeritis will smash you for praising Pickett...especially for his first half.....:shh
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"I just want it watch from a fan's point of view... to see how good Dusty was."
- Retiring Cat Harry Taylor plans to rewatch the 2020 #AFLGF at some point for one reason only 👀
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1323063105354559489
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Ch7 are replaying the Grand Final.
From now (midday) to 2:30pm.
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Ch7 are replaying the Grand Final.
From now (midday) to 2:30pm.
And I'm working :'(
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Your boss a Cats fan, WP?
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Dimma moving Balta into the ruck was the turning point watching the game again. Got the ball moving our way from the stoppages. Then add Dusty's goal which then settled us before half-time.
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That pick up low at pace by Lambert to Prestia gets better the more times you watch it. All class!
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Your boss a Cats fan, WP?
:lol
No
One of the joys of working for a multi national company and the regional head office is not in Australia and not recognising regional Aussie public holidays. International ones like Xmas or New Years not a problem
But Cup Day is one that is a problem :'(
It is month end result time I have reports due today so I have to work
Granted working from home but working none the less.
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Can't argue the Tiges winning the flag is Xmas? ;D
No long lunches to watch the TV GF replay either? ;)
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Can't argue the Tiges winning the flag is Xmas? ;D
No long lunches to watch the TV GF replay either? ;)
Funny you mention lunch
Sat down with my sandwich for 30 mins to watch the 2nd qtr and what happens?
Bloody phone call to discuss financial numbers :rollin
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All the radio calls are now up on youtube including Geelong's K-Rock:
3AW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvI_8XIfI0g
ABC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_4ym_3Eaw
MMM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MicMqNQqKPU
SEN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvR2SByYaI8
K-Rock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3_RjelngCk
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Can't argue the Tiges winning the flag is Xmas? ;D
No long lunches to watch the TV GF replay either? ;)
Funny you mention lunch
Sat down with my sandwich for 30 mins to watch the 2nd qtr and what happens?
Bloody phone call to discuss financial numbers :rollin
Didn't you turn the VCR onto record??
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Didn't you turn the VCR onto record??
It is recorded on the Foxtel IQ
Just haven't had time to sit down and watch it in full ;D
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Watched it again and I would like to acknowledge the efforts of many in the first half but to single out one, it must be Pickett. Was great in the first half and a reason we were within reach starting the third. Tough hard player :shh
:gobdrop :facepalm
Careful Machine Man, Tigeritis will smash you for praising Pickett...especially for his first half.....:shh
Only love for all my fellow OERites. Three premierships and a dynasty team with more to come. Picket might end up with three before he reaches fifty games. :rollin
:gotigers
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McIntosh was huge in that last 5 minutes of the second quarter which kept us in with a sniff.....every bit as important as Martin... :shh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZgMkkMRPnc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZgMkkMRPnc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZgMkkMRPnc)
Great clip.
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Patrick Dangerfield admits he fell into a “dark cave” following Geelong’s Grand Final loss to Richmond last month.
“Not super well,” he said on SEN’s Whateley when asked about how he coped with the loss.
“It took me while to get out of the dark cave I was in there for a while.
“Eddie Betts probably sums it up well – in an interview he was talking about the AFL Grand Final and he said it’s the best day and worst day all encapsulated into one.
“It was certainly a bit of that, it was a wonderful achievement to put ourselves in a position to play in a Grand Final and we would have loved a different result, but Richmond were spectacular and they deserve it.
“They’ve been an incredible side over a long period of time and they are the benchmark, the challenge is in front of us and we feel with the players we’ve brought in that we’ll be every bit as competitive come next season.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/11/19/dangerfield-fell-into-dark-cave-after-grand-final-loss/
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The Whisper
WHICH Richmond premiership star had a nightclub altercation on the Gold Coast with the son of a high-profile AFL figure?
https://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/afl/the-score-gws-brags-about-jeremy-cameron-deal-nathan-buckleys-radio-tellall-plus-pies-fans-launch-petition/news-story/d0610043c966de0d6ba2649478df2ff1
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Did someone smack one of Eddie's kids?
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Patrick Dangerfield admits he fell into a “dark cave” following Geelong’s Grand Final loss to Richmond last month.
“Not super well,” he said on SEN’s Whateley when asked about how he coped with the loss.
“It took me while to get out of the dark cave I was in there for a while.
“Eddie Betts probably sums it up well – in an interview he was talking about the AFL Grand Final and he said it’s the best day and worst day all encapsulated into one.
“It was certainly a bit of that, it was a wonderful achievement to put ourselves in a position to play in a Grand Final and we would have loved a different result, but Richmond were spectacular and they deserve it.
“They’ve been an incredible side over a long period of time and they are the benchmark, the challenge is in front of us and we feel with the players we’ve brought in that we’ll be every bit as competitive come next season.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/11/19/dangerfield-fell-into-dark-cave-after-grand-final-loss/
When did he fall into a dark cave?
I’m guessing it was in the third quarter :rollin
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Patrick Dangerfield admits he fell into a “dark cave” following Geelong’s Grand Final loss to Richmond last month.
“Not super well,” he said on SEN’s Whateley when asked about how he coped with the loss.
“It took me while to get out of the dark cave I was in there for a while.
“Eddie Betts probably sums it up well – in an interview he was talking about the AFL Grand Final and he said it’s the best day and worst day all encapsulated into one.
“It was certainly a bit of that, it was a wonderful achievement to put ourselves in a position to play in a Grand Final and we would have loved a different result, but Richmond were spectacular and they deserve it.
“They’ve been an incredible side over a long period of time and they are the benchmark, the challenge is in front of us and we feel with the players we’ve brought in that we’ll be every bit as competitive come next season.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/11/19/dangerfield-fell-into-dark-cave-after-grand-final-loss/
When did he fall into a dark cave?
I’m guessing it was in the third quarter :rollin
Half time break, dont remember seeing him in the second half apart from when Dusty brushed him off
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I hope that 4th Dusty goal breaks Dangerfield whenever we play them again. A bit like when Dusty don’t argued Fyfe last year
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One month anniversary today ;D :thumbsup.
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Queen - Richmond premiers 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxD5ItqPQyc
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Remembered the other day a song called "Hold that Tiger"
When I checked I found it was a common fight song in US colleges and High Schools, the most famous is the LSU (Louisiana State University) marching band version, where the Tiger is the mascot.
Where's that tiger! Where's that tiger!
Where's that tiger! Where's that tiger!
Hold that tiger! Hold that tiger ! Hold that tiger!
Choke him, poke him, kick him and soak him!
Where's that tiger? Where's that tiger?
Where oh where can he be?
Low or highbrow, they all cry now
"Please play that Tiger Rag for me"
source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/05/lsumarchingband_tigerraglyrics.html
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Our flag ranked as the 2nd biggest story of 2020 behind the Covid shutdown.
2. The Tiger dynasty
In 2017, Richmond orchestrated a remarkable year-on-year turnaround, and in 2019 the Tigers were utterly dominant. In 2020 they overcame constant hurdles to win what many involved said was the most satisfying of the club's three premierships in four seasons. Like all clubs, they had to find their rhythm once strict COVID-19 precautions were implemented, and they had their troubles. But they motored towards finals with six straight wins and, after losing to Brisbane in a qualifying final, drew on their big-game experience to overcome Port Adelaide in a thrilling preliminary final. A champion team, rather than a team of champions, the Tigers kept regenerating to win their 13th flag. Noah Balta won his first premiership, defender Jayden Short vied for Norm Smith honours to cap a best-and-fairest season, and Kamdyn McIntosh came in after the heartbreak of missing out in 2019. Whatever the obstacle, the resilient Tigers were able to adapt, delivering the third premiership in 10 years to which chief executive Brendon Gale had aspired when he released a blueprint for success back in 2010. With the 2020 premiership secured, this group joined the Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn teams of the past 20 years with a dynasty of its own.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/536958/the-top-50-biggest-stories-of-2020-5-1
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In some pretty dark days for me kidney problems, severe depression, a failed orthopaedic surgery and my dad passing away the day after the gf, Richmond was about the only joy I had during the last 6 to 8 months. Great win. Cup 13 in cabinet, and are chasing down our major rivals on the premiership table ladder.
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In some pretty dark days for me kidney problems, severe depression, a failed orthopaedic surgery and my dad passing away the day after the gf, Richmond was about the only joy I had during the last 6 to 8 months. Great win. Cup 13 in cabinet, and are chasing down our major rivals on the premiership table ladder.
Take care Ramps and condolences for the loss of your Dad. Losing a parent is so bloody hard.
Here's hoping that 2021 is better for you and everyone
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He had cancer, he loved richmond, bought his first house in Stawell Street after coming ftom overseas in the 50s.
I reckon he hung on just to be able to see Richmond win another flag.
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He had cancer, he loved richmond, bought his first house in Stawell Street after coming ftom overseas in the 50s.
I reckon he hung on just to be able to see Richmond win another flag.
Sorry to hear about the old man and that your still doing it tough. Must’ve been a tough Christmas without the old man.
Hang in there old mate, there is no good time to go out of this world but seeing your team winning their 3 flag in 4 years would’ve brought some joy to your dad. :cheers
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In some pretty dark days for me kidney problems, severe depression, a failed orthopaedic surgery and my dad passing away the day after the gf, Richmond was about the only joy I had during the last 6 to 8 months. Great win. Cup 13 in cabinet, and are chasing down our major rivals on the premiership table ladder.
All the best, Ramps. That personal news sucks especially about your dad. My sympathies and condolences to you and your family. Cancer is such a bastard of a disease. As WP said, losing a parent is bloody tough. You take care.
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DUSTY SINGLE-HANDEDLY PINCHED IT FROM US: HARRY
Having had a chance to think about it, retired Geelong champion Harry Taylor is sure that just one many stood in the way of his third flag in October. Unfortunately, that man just happened to be the greatest finals player of all time.
Paywall: https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/retired-cat-harry-taylor-certain-that-dustin-martins-virtuoso-game-won-the-afl-grand-final/news-story/c012faae34b46b06473c2ed59c4904e8
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Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield has reportedly been sidelined from pre-season training with a groin injury, which also hindered him during October’s Grand Final.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-preseason-training-news-patrick-dangerfield-injury-geelong-cats-patrick-cripps-injury-surgery-carlton-blues/news-story/00c8d8c86e5711fbd323d976e3e5be98
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Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield has reportedly been sidelined from pre-season training with a groin injury, which also hindered him during October’s Grand Final.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-preseason-training-news-patrick-dangerfield-injury-geelong-cats-patrick-cripps-injury-surgery-carlton-blues/news-story/00c8d8c86e5711fbd323d976e3e5be98
Lol.
You mean we basically kicked him in the nuts around half time and he went weak at the knees?
Puh-lease!
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Apparently he’s had it since the 2017 QF when he went at 31% by foot
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Funny how they don't mention our side Vaustin out in 5 minutes and Houli hampered all game.
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Apparently he’s had it since the 2017 QF when he went at 31% by foot
:rollin
The Cats even brought out a commemoration poster of the 2017 QF with Danger demonstrating how far he missed targets by ;D.
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Them and Port believe there own hype.
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Rewatching all our recent finals against the Cats, Danger probably did his injury flopping for frees. Yet some in the footy media called us divers :)) :huh3.
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Rewatching all our recent finals against the Cats, Danger probably did his injury flopping for frees. Yet some in the footy media called us divers :)) :huh3.
In finals since 2017, Danger and Dusty have similar average possies (21 each) but Dusty goes at 76% DE vs Danger at 57%.
Dusty has 2.3 goals vs 1 goal and 129 SC points to 97.
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Dusty only needs 20 possessions. He favours kicking over handballs and His kicking is absolutely elite. If he had the ball 50 times like Neale or Mitchell he would kick 10 goals and we would win by margins of 100+.
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2020 AFL Grand Final - things that went wrong for the Geelong Cats (no sound)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVEq_u_7BTc
Note: I don't own the rights to the footage, and there is no sound in this video.
I put this together to highlight some of the things that went wrong in the game from a purely Geelong perspective, such & missed shots at goal and other turnovers.
I also included all of the 3rd quarter centre bounces as it has been mentioned that Dangerfield not being in the centre had a big impact.
The sections are:
00:00 Missed shots at goal & missed forward half opportunities
03:00 Kicks out on the full & other turnovers
05:00 A couple of questionable umpiring decisions
05:33 The 3rd quarter centre bounces
Cats fans need to remember bad kicking is bad footy :whistle.
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Hardwick was asked about the Grand Final by Garry and Tim on SEN.
* Dimma remembers asking our doc while Vlastuin was being carried off on the stretcher if Floss could come back on :lol.
* The loss of Vlastuin in the first 5 minutes followed by Houli doing his calf a short time later did throw us out a bit. We knew what was going wrong but we couldn't stabilise our team for a while. We went into the game with Astbury and Balta as tall backs and as 2nd rucks. Geelong's forward line of Hawkins surrounded by smaller players meant with no Floss, Dave at times had to chase around Gary, Bews and alike. So Dimma eventually moved Kmac back into defence, rolled some forwards through our wings, Balta into the ruck and Astbury onto Hawkins.
* We didn't really change the way we played as a team. Ultimately, credited our leaders Cotch and Jack to organise things and steer us through.
* Dimma thought we had got the game back on our terms in the last 5-10 minutes of the 2nd quarter but we weren't putting it on the scoreboard. Not until Dusty pulled out that freakish goal just before half-time.
* Lyon: "What was your half-time message?"
Dimma: "Give it to Dusty and he'll do the rest" :snidegrin.
* We don't review the Grand Final as a single game either. We focus on the season as a whole and where we can still improve. We have reviewed the last game of the season in past seasons but only when we have been knocked out.
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Give it to Dusty!
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'I haven't seen a half-time like this in my career': How Tigers turned around 2020 GF
All-Australian defender Dylan Grimes says Richmond coach Damien Hardwick's short, sharp speech inspired another flag.
By Damian Barrett
afl.com.au
11 March 2021
RICHMOND defender Dylan Grimes has revealed a controlled mayhem inside the Tigers' rooms at half-time of last year's Grand Final was crucial in the second-half, premiership-securing turnaround against Geelong.
All-Australian Grimes said there was genuine concern in the Richmond camp before coach Damien Hardwick provided a 45-second, second-half directive.
Of the 2020 Grand Final half-time anxiousness, when the Tigers trailed by 15 points after being down by as many as 22, Grimes said:
"This is interesting, because I haven't seen a half-time break like this in any other game, in my whole career - we got down to the rooms, and the coaches, there was a hive of activity around the white board, every coach that we've got," he said.
"VFL coach, line coach, every coach, was surrounded and they were just back and forth. I was left with the backline, and normally (at this time) there is a meeting with the backs coach.
"… and then you just hear Dimma, 'Right, everyone in'. And the whole club was just around this whiteboard and he just provided, from the 15 minutes of conversation he'd just had with the coaches, a 45-second, succinct discussion about the two or three things that we were going to change.
"And it took all the focus away from the fact we were down and that they were playing really well, and that we had lost Nick Vlastuin, one of our best structural players. And that was when we all thought, well maybe this isn’t as out control as we may have first thought.
"I remember looking across at Dustin and Cotch at half-time, kind-of like, 'Oh, geez, this is a bit hairy, this is a bit full on, this is not how it is supposed to go'. On that night, for that second half, we were just slightly better than what Geelong was, and that was the difference."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/560893/-i-haven-t-seen-a-half-time-like-this-in-my-career-how-tigers-turned-around-2020-gf
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Revealed: Geelong coach Chris Scott’s ‘class act’ that floored Damien Hardwick mid-Grand Final
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
March 11th, 2021 1:02 pm
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has revealed a “class act” by Cats counterpart Chris Scott’s mid-Grand Final upon realising another Tigers premiership had been secured.
A long-range goal from gun wingman Sam Menegola just after the midway point of the fourth quarter reduced the margin to under three goals and gave Geelong faint hope of a late comeback.
However the Tigers regained control of the game for the next 10 minutes, culminating in a superb set-shot goal from star forward Jack Riewoldt that essentially sealed a Richmond victory with 1.43 on the clock.
Hardwick, though, was still in game mode post-goal and keen to contain his emotions before the final siren sounded.
But speaking on ‘One Night in Brisbane’ – a 90-minute feature on Grand Final night 2020 to air on Fox Footy at 7.30pm (AEDT) on Thursday evening – Hardwick revealed Scott classily walked in to the Tigers’ coaches box after Riewoldt’s set-shot to concede defeat and congratulate staff on a third flag in four seasons.
“As a coach you never really know (when you’ve truly won a game). But what I will say is after (Riewoldt’s) goal, Chris Scott came into our coaches’ box and congratulated us, which was incredible,” Hardwick told Fox Footy’s ‘One Night in Brisbane’.
“I think the assistants had packed up at this stage, but I’m still going: ‘Listen you blokes, we’re still — Oh Chris!’ He just congratulated us and said ‘great game’.
“It was such a class act by such a classy guy, really.”
Hardwick said the final-minute feeling of knowing the Tigers had secured their third flag in four years after trailing the Cats at half-time – compared to the year prior when their second premiership was assured from midway through the third quarter – was more satisfying.
The Tigers coach even declared the 2020 triumph as a better achievement than the 2017 and 2019 flags.
“This is a really, really tough thing to say, but I think this is our best Grand Final win,” Hardwick said.
“I look at it as one of the hardest, most challenging years we’ll ever go through and it was such a fantastic effort by our players and our club overall to walk away with, what I think is going to be, one of the hardest trophies ever to win.”
A Richmond victory appeared unlikely towards the end of the second quarter when Coleman Medallist Tom Hawkins gave Geelong a healthy 22-point lead.
Tigers superstar Dustin Martin, who’d eventually claim a third Norm Smith Medal, kicked a stunning and crucial goal just before half-time to reduce the margin to 15 points.
But with Nick Vlastuin (concussion) out for the rest of the game and Bachar Houli (torn calf) playing injured, Hardwick admitted he had concerns.
Asked if there were any flecks of doubt in his mind at half-time, despite knowing the quality and premiership experience his side had, Hardwick said with a laugh: “Absolutely.
“I was really worried about Bachar as well. I remember speaking to him on the phone saying ‘Listen mate, I need Allah on our side today, we need to get back on the field’ – and he laughed and got back on.
“Bachar’s just one of those guys. I mean that calf, he’s still struggling with that and probably won’t get up for Round 1 because of it.”
Riewoldt added: “You definitely had doubts going through your head … when you’ve been successful for a long time, inevitably you sometimes think ‘is the end coming’?
“It was like: ‘I feel like I’ve got the tools and I feel like we’ve got the tools to actually just keep beating it away and knowing that it’s there – and inevitably it will come at some point – but that wasn’t the time.’”
During the Fox Footy program, Riewoldt fired an ominous warning to the rest of the AFL, declaring Martin could be even better in 2021.
Martin’s four-goal, 21-disposal Grand Final performance capped off a colossal 2020 finals series, which also saw him lead the Tigers to a semi-final victory over St Kilda then a preliminary final win over Port Adelaide.
Riewoldt said Martin had the potential to become a more influential player this year.
“I’m really proud of who he’s become – the growth in him as a person and a mate, I couldn’t be more proud of what he’s done and it’s reflective on who we’re going to see going forward as well,” he said.
“I think we’re going to see a much more mature player – the sky really is the limit.
“I know he values how important he is from a vice-captain, from a captain, from the coach on how much we lean on him. I think he’s starting to get a bit of a grasp on how important he is, not only as a player but as a cultural figure from Richmond.”
Riewoldt also said it was Martin who calmed the side’s nerves when it trailed by 22 points, firstly with his brilliant goal just prior to the half-time siren then for rallying the team at the main break.
“This bloke, he’s not known as a leader outside of the footy club but he was the one who grabbed everyone and said ‘we’re right in this, we’re right up to our eyeballs in this game’ and we could feel the momentum shift back our way.
“It’s so phenomenal what he does in big games and we’re bloody lucky to have him.”
Hardwick added: “You look at all of his four goals on Grand Final day, each one surpassed the other. They were just incredible. You look back at that Grand Final and just shake your head at his performance.”
‘One Night in Brisbane’ — a Fox Footy 2020 Grand Final feature, Thursday at 7.30pm (AEDT) on Fox Footy
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-chris-scott-class-act-with-damien-hardwick-fox-footy-documentary-one-night-in-brisbane/news-story/c8c986a8e7ff4139bfc8f5b8ba212c61
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'Sometimes the greats are just too good': Danger tips hat to Dusty
By Damian Barrett
afl.com.au
30 March 2021
THE GAME'S greats reserve a special acknowledgement for the deeds of other greats.
For Patrick Dangerfield, one of those moments came in last season's Grand Final when Dustin Martin was compiling a performance which was to secure a third Norm Smith Medal.
"I can remember a passage of play where I just chuckled to myself, because it was just too good, and he was that," Dangerfield revealed to AFL.com.au in an interview ahead of the season.
"And he has been such an incredible player on the biggest stage so often, he has done what no one else has done before."
That it was Martin who extinguished Dangerfield's own first chance of a premiership in the 13th season of his own extraordinary career has actually assisted the champion Cat to deal with that heartache.
"We had a great season, and Richmond is a phenomenal team, but they have also got one of the greatest players to ever play the game, so it makes it a bit easier," Dangerfield said.
"He was just … sometimes you just have to take your hat off and go, 'too good'. If you beat yourself up too much over someone like Dusty, then you're banging your head against a brick wall because players like him are few and far between … sometimes the greats are just too good."
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/564622/-sometimes-the-greats-are-just-too-good-danger-tips-hat-to-dusty
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Premiership #13 one year ago today :thumbsup.
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Celebrations by the players in the rooms after the GF.
Dusty leading the boys in song to Queen's "We are the champions".
Watch here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2297566937190272/posts/3040788366201455/
:thumbsup
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Two years ago (last night) :)
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It is indeed the greatest win i have ever seen
I thought we were gone for all money
I cannot believe it
Dynasty achieved 3 years ago today :thumbsup
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