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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 28, 2021, 11:18:54 PM
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According to Caro tonight - "All the assistant coaches are leaving and Adam Kingsley has put his hand up for the Collingwood job".
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Good - they're all shyte. Get Hodge & bring Knights home. :shh
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Hmmmm things ain’t right at the moment. Something has gone down
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This doesn't make any sense at all. For Caro to say something like that she must know something.
Also every one of the assistants except Andrew McQ and Clarke who was near the bench was standing next to dimma at the VFL, so there can't be that much bad blood.
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Opportunity! Of course they're leaving. More money and bigger chances.
If they want to be senior coaches why would they stay here with the most successful coach of the era?
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For memory all our AC’s (with exception of Kingsley) had two year Contracts that aligned with Dimma’s contract ending. I would expect that to be relatively similar across the League to ensure minimal cost of new coaching staffs in the event that a Coach finishes at the end of any given Contract.
It just so happens that the middle of the contracts came when the Footy Dept. Cap was drastically reduced, which makes it hard to increase costs for the next Contracts if the majority of ACs are out of contract.
I would be surprised if they all go. I’d expect one of Maric / X/ Lonergan to stay at the least.
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According to Caro tonight - "All the assistant coaches are leaving and Adam Kingsley has put his hand up for the Collingwood job".
I wonder if Dimma has taken all the soft cap $ now he has a ex missus to pay out and a new one that also wants a new Brighton pad
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The midfield and stoppage coach can leave now. We're not protecting the defensive side at stoppage allowing the opposition to waltz out the front. You can't defend with your mids set up standing forward of the ball at throw-ins and ball-ups.
Likewise the forwards coach given our smalls are never front and centre allowing the opposition to rebound under no pressure from our F50.
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It's pretty clear that tactics & game day coaching were never Harwick's strengths and that he needs quality assistants around him in order to thrive... :shh
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So, Leppa is special comments, the same Leppa who was with us for 3 flags....
No other commentators seem to touch on this.
'Leppa, you helped win 3 flags at the Tiges, what's going through Dimmas head right now'
Has he put Richmond questions off-limits? :shh
We have the same soft cap as everyone else, why are we losing assistants to be assistants at other clubs?
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It's pretty natural assistants to leave successful clubs. Hawks had a heap rotating through. Cats and Swans only ones to keep some long term but even then the likes of Dew left for better opportunities.
The last time we cleared out assistants to give Dimma new ideas and direction we won a flag.
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Get Grigg back
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I'd be in Chris Newman's ear and getting him back ASAP
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Letting go Leppa was silly I'm not buying he needed a breake very poor decision.
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Andrew McQualter. Assistant coach, midfield/offensive.
Adam Kingsley. Assistant coach, midfield/stoppage.
These 2 have been carried by the likes of Caracalla and Truck. Now that they have left they have exposed as being duds.
Their performances have been equally as bad as the players.
On Leppa I don't buy he just left. We probably offered him peanuts so he said FO. For a guy wanting a break from the industry he does seem to still like it :shh
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Hardwick needs good hard nosed assistants. We havent got that at the moment.
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Hardwick needs good hard nosed assistants. We havent got that at the moment.
Why they leaving though?
Wonder if Hardwick's ego is getting too big? Yoko Ono is probably a distraction too.
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Hardwick needs good hard nosed assistants. We havent got that at the moment.
Why they leaving though?
But are they leaving?
I only ask because no other media outlet has run with this "story" or followed it up
Kingsley if he goes it will because he gets the Pies gig... and the way we are going especially in the area he is in charge of I'd say he is "buckleys and none" (see what i did there ;D)
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Hardwick needs good hard nosed assistants. We havent got that at the moment.
Why they leaving though?
But are they leaving?
I only ask because no other media outlet has run with this "story" or followed it up
Kingsley if he goes it will because he gets the Pies gig... and the way we are going especially in the area he is in charge of I'd say he is "buckleys and none" (see what i did there ;D)
McRae, Leppa and the fitness guy last year, Rutten, Caracella a couple years earlier. All we have attracted is Kingsley and Lonergan IIRC.
Why doesn't Hardwick get the adulation Clarko does? When Nafan Noflags Buckley pulled the pin, the media carried on like it was like Phil Jackson retiring. No-one really talks about Hardwick being a coaching genius, why is that?
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For me this is on the board and footy department alot of them left before covid and the fine we got and weren't replaced.
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Grigg....we need a new ruck coach... :shh
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Letting go Leppa was silly I'm not buying he needed a breake very poor decision.
Leppa left to pursue “business interests”.
ie. had a personal anathema to Hardwick’s extra curricular activities :shh
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As many as 10 AFL clubs are understood to have already shown interest in departing Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson.
According to The Herald Sun's Jon Anderson, more than half the league have put out feelers to the four-time premiership coach's availability.
While it is yet to be known if Clarkson will be in the AFL landscape next year, clubs have reportedly seen the 53-year-old as a potential acquisition as a coaching director or mentor as well as a coach.
https://www.zerohanger.com/10-clubs-showing-interest-in-clarksons-services-88768/
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From the BF podcast:
We're bringing in two assistant coaches and one of them will be an ex-Tiger. Newy? Grigg? Knighter?
And this was posted in the comments:
McQualter to Carlton to join Ross Lyon with Chris Newman replacing him.
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Will be interesting to see how hawthorn manage their soft cap considering the massive payout to Clarkson is included.
Swans, Essendon and Geelong etc lose no one from their footy departments but add to them.
Meanwhile at Punt rd………
:rollin
Covid must only effect some clubs that let it effect them.
We spent unders on our footy department for over 30 years and paid for it with mediocre recruiting mediocre development and mediocre performances.
I can only hope the club doesn’t think spending less on footy will help us in any way. We must keep investing in quality people within the footy department and now isn’t the time to be skimping.
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the RFC has completely stuffed this area up.
Its very rare that they would screw things these days but gee they dropped their guard here.
fancy letting all these blokes go and replacing them with uum noone.
reminds me of the dark days.
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If CCJ & Stack weren't horny & hungry we probably would've had at least one more assistant this year... :shh
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True Dio so why not pay the extra tax?
We have the largest supporter base, and just come off a flag. Pay the extra tax and do it properly.
When has it ever worked having no support around Dimma?
They botched it, and still not convinced leppa left for a clean break.
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If CCJ & Stack weren't horny & hungry we probably would've had at least one more assistant this year... :shh
Not for $100k you wouldn't. Assistant coaches are on much more than that :shh
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If CCJ & Stack weren't horny & hungry we probably would've had at least one more assistant this year... :shh
Not for $100k you wouldn't. Assistant coaches are on much more than that :shh
True but as you would know $100k would cover the wage of a person in a lesser role but that was important part of the footy department. Or it would cover the cost of 2 maybe 3 match day staff
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If CCJ & Stack weren't horny & hungry we probably would've had at least one more assistant this year... :shh
Not for $100k you wouldn't. Assistant coaches are on much more than that :shh
No-one said they weren't but it still would have a knock on effect of what we can offer coaches, especially coming on top of the covid cutbacks... :shh :shh
If CCJ & Stack weren't horny & hungry we probably would've had at least one more assistant this year... :shh
Not for $100k you wouldn't. Assistant coaches are on much more than that :shh
True but as you would know $100k would cover the wage of a person in a lesser role but that was important part of the footy department. Or it would cover the cost of 2 maybe 3 match day staff
This too.... :shh :shh :shh
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Balmey is leaving.
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what a surprise, NOT given how poorly we have been in this area.
what a stuff up
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Or you know just wait for it to play out before overreacting. He’s been linked with every job under the sun for the past couple of years and yet is still at the RFC.
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Or you know just wait for it to play out before overreacting. He’s been linked with every job under the sun for the past couple of years and yet is still at the RFC.
perhaps thats true, though i reckon a combination of lack of wages cause we have spent it all, and combined with whats happening in victoria, id say he is as good as gone.
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Balmey has been unwell while he is okay now (i think), I’d be extremely surprised if he’s leaving the club and going elsewhere
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If CCJ & Stack weren't horny & hungry we probably would've had at least one more assistant this year... :shh
Not for $100k you wouldn't. Assistant coaches are on much more than that :shh
True but as you would know $100k would cover the wage of a person in a lesser role but that was important part of the footy department. Or it would cover the cost of 2 maybe 3 match day staff
Yes- I know it has effected the ability for us having physiotherapists and masseurs at the club during training. Players seeking their own post training massages does impact connection in clubland.
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Is this true or not with Balme ?.
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Be very surprised if at at his age and after a year of poor health he upped & moved interstate.... :shh
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Nothing wrong with Balme going.
We've achieved everything with him here.
Although I too would be surprised if he moved anywhere but WA.
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I reckon we need him for the next year or 2 within this transition period we seen what he did in 2017 shake the place up no better man to do it.
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We aren’t a poor club anymore. We need to stop acting like a poor club and invest where the money is most needed.
We shouldn’t skimp on our footy department.
We are allowed to pay over the soft cap. Pay the tax! It’s not a big deal.
Does anyone think the Hawks aren’t going to be paying more than the soft cap next season?
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We aren’t a poor club anymore. We need to stop acting like a poor club and invest where the money is most needed.
We shouldn’t skimp on our footy department.
We are allowed to pay over the soft cap. Pay the tax! It’s not a big deal.
Does anyone think the Hawks aren’t going to be paying more than the soft cap next season?
So how much should we overspend by?
Just want to calculate how much tax we'd need to pay
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I think our club leaders have shown they are astute operators for a few years now , more than happy to support them in their decision making
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We aren’t a poor club anymore. We need to stop acting like a poor club and invest where the money is most needed.
We shouldn’t skimp on our footy department.
We are allowed to pay over the soft cap. Pay the tax! It’s not a big deal.
Does anyone think the Hawks aren’t going to be paying more than the soft cap next season?
So how much should we overspend by?
Just want to calculate how much tax we'd need to pay
Who cares?!
What’s the alternative?
Skimp on recruiting? Skimp on player development?
Where did that get us for 30 years?
Whatever it takes to have quality people around the club so the ones we currently have don’t have to double or triple their load because that’s how burn out occurs or diminished focus on all players individual requirements to further development.
This game is about percentages. This isn’t the time to be losing quality people to other clubs.
How is West Coke, Geelong, Essendrug and Swans able to increase their off field team or at the least keep it the same?
How is Hawthorn going to be able to afford to pay Clarkson out and still keep assistants? Do you truly think they will stay under soft cap?
I don’t think the “richer” clubs give a stuff about soft cap as much as we do.
PS. Interestingly that we don’t have access to see who is part of the footy department any more.
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We do have the small matter of the punt road redevelopment to navigate through for the next few years……
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Id think paying a $350,000 tax to get in a couple of good people would be worth it.
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I don’t think the “richer” clubs give a stuff about soft cap as much as we do.
PS. Interestingly that we don’t have access to see who is part of the footy department any more.
Just so you know not ONE club is paying over the soft cap limit this year
That's why the "rich" clubs have requested an increase on close to $1mil. Poorer club don't want more than $250k-$300k
You and others keep focusing on assistant coaches but seem to refuse to accept that ALL clubs have made significant cuts. As I've said many times other clubs have cut in other areas of their footy departments but that doesn't mean they haven't cut. In Sydney their biggest cuts are reportedly in their academy program. Do you get that? I know it doesn't suit your narrative but do you understand that?
And as for "who cares" mantra. Do you know how much the tax is? How it is worked out?
But to help you here you go. If we were to pay the previous $9.3 Mil then the Club would need to pay a further $2.376mil in tax. That would go to others clubs. You are clearly OK with that right? I mean who cares
Further to that if revenues wise we were to have the same revenues as we did in 2019 and paid above the cap then the club would in fact make a loss of over $1mil. That's OK too right? You wouldn't complain, wouldn't worry right? Because really who cares we are a rich club
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Id think paying a $350,000 tax to get in a couple of good people would be worth it.
Ramps that would mean you would be spending just over a further $450k
Tax is $0.75 for every dollar spent over the soft cap of $6.123 million
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#rebelcomp. :shh
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I don’t think the “richer” clubs give a stuff about soft cap as much as we do.
PS. Interestingly that we don’t have access to see who is part of the footy department any more.
Just so you know not ONE club is paying over the soft cap limit this year
That's why the "rich" clubs have requested an increase on close to $1mil. Poorer club don't want more than $250k-$300k
You and others keep focusing on assistant coaches but seem to refuse to accept that ALL clubs have made significant cuts. As I've said many times other clubs have cut in other areas of their footy departments but that doesn't mean they haven't cut. In Sydney their biggest cuts are reportedly in their academy program. Do you get that? I know it doesn't suit your narrative but do you understand that?
And as for "who cares" mantra. Do you know how much the tax is? How it is worked out?
But to help you here you go. If we were to pay the previous $9.3 Mil then the Club would need to pay a further $2.376mil in tax. That would go to others clubs. You are clearly OK with that right? I mean who cares
Further to that if revenues wise we were to have the same revenues as we did in 2019 and paid above the cap then the club would in fact make a loss of over $1mil. That's OK too right? You wouldn't complain, wouldn't worry right? Because really who cares we are a rich club
I also remember how poor financial management for a prolonged period had the Club needing to establish the Fighting Tiger Fund not too long ago
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Just so you know not ONE club is paying over the soft cap limit this year
So you say. Even if true that won’t be the case next season that’s for sure.
You and others keep focusing on assistant coaches but seem to refuse to accept that ALL clubs have made significant cuts. As I've said many times other clubs have cut in other areas of their footy departments but that doesn't mean they haven't cut. In Sydney their biggest cuts are reportedly in their academy program. Do you get that? I know it doesn't suit your narrative but do you understand that?
So you say again but the reality is that the same club Sydney that you mentioned has increased their football department by adding at least two quality people to it, Pyke and our former fitness guy Rob Innes. :rollin.
We can’t “afford” to keep people but other clubs seem to add extra people we cannot afford :rollin
And as for "who cares" mantra. Do you know how much the tax is? How it is worked out?
Yes, I read the Age article by Jake Niall and watched this YouTube video
https://youtu.be/Nr2ouKNuVVo
But to help you here you go. If we were to pay the previous $9.3 Mil then the Club would need to pay a further $2.376mil in tax. That would go to others clubs. You are clearly OK with that right? I mean who cares
Further to that if revenues wise we were to have the same revenues as we did in 2019 and paid above the cap then the club would in fact make a loss of over $1mil. That's OK too right? You wouldn't complain, wouldn't worry right? Because really who cares we are a rich club
I never said to pay the same as last year. I said we shouldn’t skimp in footy department spending and ensure we keep the people other clubs seem to have the money to employ ie. Innes, McCrae, Caracella, Leppitsch etc. I’m not saying they didn’t want to leave but we didn’t replace them
Now I answered your questions how about actually answering the questions I actually asked. It’s not that hard. :rollin
I will ask again.
What’s the alternative? Skimp on recruiting? Skimp on player development?
Where did that get us for 30 years?
Whatever it takes to have quality people around the club so the ones we currently have don’t have to double or triple their load because that’s how burn out occurs or diminished focus on all players individual requirements to further development. This game is about percentages. This isn’t the time to be losing quality people to other clubs.
How is West Coke, Geelong, Essendrug and Swans able to increase their off field team or at the least keep it the same?
How is Hawthorn going to be able to afford to pay Clarkson out and still keep assistants? Do you truly think they will stay under soft cap?
I don’t think the “richer” clubs give a stuff about soft cap as much as we do.
Why don’t we have access to see who is part of the footy department any more? That information was on the app but now has conveniently disappeared. I can still see it on all other clubs websites except our club and lions.
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I will ask again.
What’s the alternative? Skimp on recruiting? Skimp on player development?
Where did that get us for 30 years?
Whatever it takes to have quality people around the club so the ones we currently have don’t have to double or triple their load because that’s how burn out occurs or diminished focus on all players individual requirements to further development. This game is about percentages. This isn’t the time to be losing quality people to other clubs.
How is West Coke, Geelong, Essendrug and Swans able to increase their off field team or at the least keep it the same?
How is Hawthorn going to be able to afford to pay Clarkson out and still keep assistants? Do you truly think they will stay under soft cap?
I don’t think the “richer” clubs give a stuff about soft cap as much as we do.
Why don’t we have access to see who is part of the footy department any more? That information was on the app but now has conveniently disappeared. I can still see it on all other clubs websites except our club and lions.
I have answered your questions time and time again but because you don't like the answers you either say I haven't answered or belittle my answer with one of these :rollin
Cutting $3mil out of footy department spend always meant people were going to go.
Have we skimped on recruiting? No, There's been no changes
Have we made skimped on development? There are have been changes there as development coaches have taken on assistant line coaching as well. Which is the same as most clubs in the competition. This isn't "so I say" this is what I've read, researched.
Other clubs may have bought new assistants in but they have cut in others area whether that is the number of heads or what they are being paid. Not sure why this so so hard for you to at the barest on minimums so hard for you to at least acknowledge
The facts are Leppa and McCrae were out of contract the others were not. Keep the the 2 out of contract and flick the others and you pay off all of them.
I have no idea why we don't know the who makes up the footy department now. Why don't you ask the Club?
But let's wait and see what our financials throw up this year and perhaps then you will see why the
Club has made some really tough and clearly unpopular to some calls around spend this season. Benny Gale flagged it at the beginning of the year how tough this season was going to be financially and I reckon he's going to spot on with it & it's highly likely going to be worse than he foreshadowed.
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Wow thank you for answering some questions but not you didn’t answer all of them.
I think you have your head in the sand WP if you think West Coke, Essendrug, Sydney and Geelong lost anyone from their footy department.
We didn’t keep Innes. Sydney could afford him why? Is he not getting paid at Sydney? Is Pyke also there for free?
We couldn’t afford to keep McCrae but Hawks can. We couldn’t afford to keep Leppitsch either so he chose to help the club and walk. Will be interesting if he stays out of footy next season.
We have not replaced any of these guys.
McCrae has gone to Hawks, how is that possible with decreased cap spending? Is he there for free?
What about Hawthorns decision to not honour Clarksons contract next season and beyond without it effecting their soft cap? Do they really seem worried by soft cap pressure :rollin
BTW I have asked the club via email weeks ago as to why we don’t have that football Department information anymore on the app or website but as yet I haven’t received a reply nor have they changed the website back so we can see that information.
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Spot on. We have completely stuffed this up and forgot about what areas made us great.
Laughable to see what the Swans have done.
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For me the club let it's guard down to many good people left yeah soft cap hurt us and fine etc , but before Rutten and Blake both left pre covid and not replaced.Proof is in the pudding when we invested end of 201.
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We have a coach thats highly paid and didnt take a pay cut, thats impacted the assistants. We didnt cut deep in other areas like some others, particulalry recruiting.
We really needed to keep at least one of Fly or Leppa, as recommended in the 2016 review, Dimma needed experienced assistants around him, allowing him to focus on being a good coach and not trying to be everything, unfortunately we ended up with nearly the least experienced assistant coaching panel
Clubs with coaches paid less could afford to retain or add assistants
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We have a coach thats highly paid and didnt take a pay cut, thats impacted the assistants. We didnt cut deep in other areas like some others, particulalry recruiting.
We really needed to keep at least one of Fly or Leppa, as recommended in the 2016 review, Dimma needed experienced assistants around him, allowing him to focus on being a good coach and not trying to be everything, unfortunately we ended up with nearly the least experienced assistant coaching panel
Clubs with coaches paid less could afford to retain or add assistants
A you sure he didn't take a pay cut ?.
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Wow thank you for answering some questions but not you didn’t answer all of them.
I think you have your head in the sand WP if you think West Coke, Essendrug, Sydney and Geelong lost anyone from their footy department.
We didn’t keep Innes. Sydney could afford him why? Is he not getting paid at Sydney? Is Pyke also there for free?
We couldn’t afford to keep McCrae but Hawks can. We couldn’t afford to keep Leppitsch either so he chose to help the club and walk. Will be interesting if he stays out of footy next season.
We have not replaced any of these guys.
McCrae has gone to Hawks, how is that possible with decreased cap spending? Is he there for free?
What about Hawthorns decision to not honour Clarksons contract next season and beyond without it effecting their soft cap? Do they really seem worried by soft cap pressure :rollin
BTW I have asked the club via email weeks ago as to why we don’t have that football Department information anymore on the app or website but as yet I haven’t received a reply nor have they changed the website back so we can see that information.
Knowing people within the industry with multiple clubs I can categorically state that what you have said is blatantly not true. EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the comp had to cull staff, but each team focused on different areas. As an example, I think you’ll fine a lot of the WA and SA team culled sponser based staff because it was thought that they could survive within a five year period with a focus on each state’s individual medium to large businesses (not 10 teams fighting for sponsors in VIC).
You also seem to think that every AC, trainer, footy dept. employee is worth the same. This is again not true; winning three flags in four years, four straight Preliminary finals always comes with an added financial burden. Teams look to raid successful clubs and often you have to match to keep your key staff.
Re: Lepptich, think you’ll find that a) he was looking for time outside of footy and b) he walked so other could keep their jobs. It’s not a surprise that Leppa has ended up in the media on multiple fronts. With McCrae I will think you’ll find that the Footy Dept have never stopped a coach from going to another club with a better opportunity anyway (Marty Clarke, Ben Rutten; to an extent Blake Caracella although Blake is on the margins).
Last thing I’d say is that the club, 10 years ago was struggling financially on the back of poor Management for a number of years. The Club actively worked to get out of debt (Fighting Tiger Fund) and are now in the black. It’s - to be brutally honest - absolutely nearsighted to expected the Club (after taking so long to get out of the red + 2 Covid impacted seasons) to then spend money for the sake of it; and in doing so giving a financial benefit to other clubs via the tax.
I know a poor year seems to make things worse than a successful year, but the club has got itself where it has with prudent management. Throwing that all away through financial mismanagement is a shortcut to worse outcomes.
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Wow thank you for answering some questions but not you didn’t answer all of them.
I think you have your head in the sand WP if you think West Coke, Essendrug, Sydney and Geelong lost anyone from their footy department.
We didn’t keep Innes. Sydney could afford him why? Is he not getting paid at Sydney? Is Pyke also there for free?
We couldn’t afford to keep McCrae but Hawks can. We couldn’t afford to keep Leppitsch either so he chose to help the club and walk. Will be interesting if he stays out of footy next season.
We have not replaced any of these guys.
McCrae has gone to Hawks, how is that possible with decreased cap spending? Is he there for free?
What about Hawthorns decision to not honour Clarksons contract next season and beyond without it effecting their soft cap? Do they really seem worried by soft cap pressure :rollin
BTW I have asked the club via email weeks ago as to why we don’t have that football Department information anymore on the app or website but as yet I haven’t received a reply nor have they changed the website back so we can see that information.
Knowing people within the industry with multiple clubs I can categorically state that what you have said is blatantly not true. EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the comp had to cull staff, but each team focused on different areas. As an example, I think you’ll fine a lot of the WA and SA team culled sponser based staff because it was thought that they could survive within a five year period with a focus on each state’s individual medium to large businesses (not 10 teams fighting for sponsors in VIC).
You also seem to think that every AC, trainer, footy dept. employee is worth the same. This is again not true; winning three flags in four years, four straight Preliminary finals always comes with an added financial burden. Teams look to raid successful clubs and often you have to match to keep your key staff.
Re: Lepptich, think you’ll find that a) he was looking for time outside of footy and b) he walked so other could keep their jobs. It’s not a surprise that Leppa has ended up in the media on multiple fronts. With McCrae I will think you’ll find that the Footy Dept have never stopped a coach from going to another club with a better opportunity anyway (Marty Clarke, Ben Rutten; to an extent Blake Caracella although Blake is on the margins).
Last thing I’d say is that the club, 10 years ago was struggling financially on the back of poor Management for a number of years. The Club actively worked to get out of debt (Fighting Tiger Fund) and are now in the black. It’s - to be brutally honest - absolutely nearsighted to expected the Club (after taking so long to get out of the red + 2 Covid impacted seasons) to then spend money for the sake of it; and in doing so giving a financial benefit to other clubs via the tax.
I know a poor year seems to make things worse than a successful year, but the club has got itself where it has with prudent management. Throwing that all away through financial mismanagement is a shortcut to worse outcomes.
I’m only talking about the Football Department spending not administration or sponsorship etc. which isn’t part of soft cap spending so it’s a pointless argument. Looking at West coasts footy dept doesn’t seem they lost anyone that important to me as they’ve kept all the important people they had last season as did Geelong.
I’m very well aware of our financial prudence since Gale has been CEO and how much he has turned us around. I am also aware and mentioned that Leppitsch walked to help us out too.
My question is why we haven’t sought to keep the assistants that have helped our success considering other clubs have poached them, so my question is why can they afford them and we can’t?
Innes and McRae prime examples of what I am talking about.
We have NOT replaced the outgoing assistants so we have more inexperienced guys doing double the roles. Where as Geelong have not lost one assistant in their coaching panel from last season and the Swans adding to their panel.
We will see if Leppitsch will stay in the media or get picked up by another club (rumour that he will be at the blues as Head of footy. If that’s true then the cheats will be another club in the list of clubs that will have employed our assistants that we apparently cannot afford due to soft cap.
If it’s so difficult in the current climate to keep assistants and support staff in the footy department the why are clubs taking our people that we can’t keep due to soft cap?
We have lost Caracella, Leppitsch, McRae and Innes and haven’t replaced them. While other clubs have the money in the soft cap to employ them. McRae didn’t leave for better opportunity because he’s doing the exact same role he did for us but the only difference is that he’s at a much smaller club than ours so your point is that he moved for better opportunities is invalid.
No one has been able to answer how the Hawks will be able to pay all their support staff in the footy department whilst paying out Clarkson. McRae must be offering his services for free.
If Teague gets the tap on the shoulder and the Cheats are able to get Lyon or Clarkson whilst paying out Teagues contract on top of Leppitsch if the rumours are true, how do you think the blues will be able to fit a new big name coach and Leppitsch in the soft cap?
Sydney weren’t bothered and bolstered their football department by adding better people.
Meanwhile, Richmond are petrified of the soft cap and keep losing quality people that other clubs can pay for :rollin
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Not saying I'm for it. Just putting it out there.
Reported today that Scott Pendlebury has said he'd be interested in a contract that involved playing and later guaranteed a (assistant) coaching job. Apparently wants to experience another club's culture.
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Pass. He's only saying that to bump up his final contract
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betts would be a great fwd coach
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-players-relieved-to-see-eddie-betts-retire-20210817-p58jk3.html
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Clarkson????
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Clarkson????
Do a Bomber Thompson and go vice for a bit? Maybe, if he's tired of being head coach for a while.
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As long as Clarko dyesn't go quite as "vice" as Bomber did... :shh
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Wouldn't mind Burgoyne from the Hawks be a good get.
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May have been just old teammates catching up but Jack on 360 tonight mentioned he had spoken recently to Newy.
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Wouldn't mind Burgoyne from the Hawks be a good get.
Burgoyne stated numerous times last week that he has no interest in coaching.
If he ends up anywhere it will be an ambassador’s role with the AFL.
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grigg
newman
dimma
voss
That is who i would be targeting. Also get that fitness guy back from sydney as something has gone wrong this year.
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grigg
newman
dimma
voss
That is who i would be targeting. Also get that fitness guy back from sydney as something has gone wrong this year.
Would not be going near Voss.
Newman and Grigg wouldn't upset me.
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What’s Newman done? Strikes me a so so footballer at a so so time for the club before moving to a club that’s gradually declined to becoming a on field minnow
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What’s Newman done? Strikes me a so so footballer at a so so time for the club before moving to a club that’s gradually declined to becoming a on field minnow
Won Box Hill the premiership in 2018 before being white anted by Mitchell :shh
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No chance for Newy. I believe he signed an extension to stay on under Mitchell.
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We need a recently retired player too - maybe Burgoyne.
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Wise head or 2 for me. Maybe a Gary Ayres type.
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No chance for Newy. I believe he signed an extension to stay on under Mitchell.
Correct. Signed a two-year extension to remain at the Hawks.
https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/1008036/hawthorn-bolsters-its-coaching-line-up
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betts would be a great fwd coach
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-players-relieved-to-see-eddie-betts-retire-20210817-p58jk3.html
Great players don't always make good coaches.
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Fly currently favourite to land the pies coaching job. Came out of nowhere, I never read his name when potential senior coaches were being talked about.
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Caro just said we have spoken to David Teague about joining our coaching panel as an assistant if and when he gets the flick from Carlton.
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Caro just said we have spoken to David Teague about joining our coaching panel as an assistant if and when he gets the flick from Carlton.
I didn't hear Caro say "Richmond have spoken", I thought she said they're "intending to speak" to speak to him.
Take out his Carlton job, he has a great CV as an assistant. Worth having the chat
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Caro just said we have spoken to David Teague about joining our coaching panel as an assistant if and when he gets the flick from Carlton.
I didn't hear Caro say "Richmond have spoken", I thought she said they're "intending to speak" to speak to him.
Thanks WP.
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What would Caro know?
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Teague has always bern a good assistant. Hed be a good get for us.
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Teague officially gone.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-sack-coach-david-teague-20210824-p58lcg.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-sack-coach-david-teague-20210824-p58lcg.html)
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Tom Morris saying Adam Kingsley has been told he is out of the race for the Collingwood job.
Foxfooty.com.au understands Richmond assistant Adam Kingsley was informed over the weekend that he was no longer in the race.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/afl-2021-next-collingwood-magpies-senior-coach-craig-mcrae-nathan-buckley-replacement-news-to-be-announced/news-story/f4e637b9317b444f2ef9360236551f6d)
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Leppa senior assistant to McRae.
Good for them, reckon they'd be paying him alit of money to get him there.
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I was hoping/ praying Leppa would come back to us, oh well
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Shattered about Leppa.
Would be happy with Teague. Past sacked coaches have gone on to be great assistants. Pyke, Harvey, Voss, Leppa. He'd be an upgrade for sure.
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Any chance of Buckley. We could do far worse.
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Any chance of Buckley. We could do far worse.
Bucks would be a good get.
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Don't think he'd quite fit in with our culture somehow... :shh
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Richmond is keen on David Teague, who was sacked last month at Carlton. Adam Kingsley has a year to run on his contract at the Tigers after narrowly missing out on the Pies job.
Robert Harvey, alongside Andrew McQualter (Richmond) and former Melbourne assistant Craig Jennings, were set to link up at Carlton under Ross Lyon before he withdrew from the race.
West Coast is interested in bringing experienced Geelong assistant coach Matthew Knights to the club.
Foxfooty.com.au understands Knights is out of contract and open to a move as the Eagles look to rejuvenate their football department following the departures of Adrian Hickmott and Jaymie Graham.
Knights, who has been at the club in some capacity since late 2011, is aware of West Coast’s interest in him.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-assistant-coach-news-matthew-knights-to-west-coast-geelong-david-teague-to-richmond-signings-for-2022/news-story/1af66375ce12240cd5a06d36a6ec4fd6
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Knights and Teague to Punt Road would be a good get.
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Leppa has officially joined the Scum. So much for the denials.
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Said it before we need at minimum 2 new assistant's and club needs to spend the $$$ other club are don't want to hear this cap bs.
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Knighta going to WCE
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But concerning how many assistant coaching appointments have been made recently while we’ve been sitting on our hands.
Not sure about going after Teague. Not from a coaching perspective but given he’s a former head coach wouldn’t he command a higher salary then say an assistant coach who hasn’t had the top gig yet? And if that’s the case are we not better of going for someone else given I rekn we need atleast 2 new assistants?
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given he’s a former head coach wouldn’t he command a higher salary
Not if he wants a job!
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Teague to become our forward line coach. He was forwards coach at Adelaide & Carlton before getting the senior gig at the Blues.
Source: Tiger71 podcast (https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754).
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Said it before we need at minimum 2 new assistant's and club needs to spend the $$$ other club are don't want to hear this cap bs.
I don't want to get into another debate about why we are probably not paying over the cap this season but the link below highlights what I've been saying. It is from Peggy and Benny.... explains the financial pressure the is under even before crowds got shut out. Read column 1 in particular
https://am.ticketmaster.com/richmond/fightingtigerfund2021-2022#/
Just because the Club has cash reserves doesn't mean it is making the level of revenues in 2021 that it did in 2020. My gut feel is the Club will make a loss this year... a one off loss is OK, not great but OK but they are unsustainable especially when you are about to commence a further redevelopment of Punt Road
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We are only talking about 300k here so if the development has to be held back 3 months so be it.
Are we in the business of building edifices or trying to win premierships?
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Teague to become our forward line coach. He was forwards coach at Adelaide & Carlton before getting the senior gig at the Blues.
Source: Tiger71 podcast (https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754).
ABC news today said he was becoming the director of coaching at the Pie (least I think thats what I heard).
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Teague to become our forward line coach. He was forwards coach at Adelaide & Carlton before getting the senior gig at the Blues.
Source: Tiger71 podcast (https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754).
ABC news today said he was becoming the director of coaching at the Pie (least I think thats what I heard).
No, that is Brendon Bolton.
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Teague to become our forward line coach. He was forwards coach at Adelaide & Carlton before getting the senior gig at the Blues.
Source: Tiger71 podcast (https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754).
ABC news today said he was becoming the director of coaching at the Pie (least I think thats what I heard).
Thanks, wasnt sure as I only heard it in passing.
No, that is Brendon Bolton.
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All good.
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Said it before we need at minimum 2 new assistant's and club needs to spend the $$$ other club are don't want to hear this cap bs.
I don't want to get into another debate about why we are probably not paying over the cap this season but the link below highlights what I've been saying. It is from Peggy and Benny.... explains the financial pressure the is under even before crowds got shut out. Read column 1 in particular
https://am.ticketmaster.com/richmond/fightingtigerfund2021-2022#/
Just because the Club has cash reserves doesn't mean it is making the level of revenues in 2021 that it did in 2020. My gut feel is the Club will make a loss this year... a one off loss is OK, not great but OK but they are unsustainable especially when you are about to commence a further redevelopment of Punt Road
Agree mate with that 99% of clubs will be at a loss world wide.Either we're paying our current crop to much $$ or it's that.All clubs are investing in there coaches through there finding the $$ why can't we.Membership and sponsors the same crowds is a big issue.We fail to spend we will fall behind simple as that.
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We are only talking about 300k here so if the development has to be held back 3 months so be it.
Are we in the business of building edifices or trying to win premierships?
My final comment on this
We are talking about alot more than $300k here
We lose $2 million this year, which is highly possibly then what? We just keep spending money we don't have, that we are not making?
The redevelopment of the Punt Road is super important. It will allow us to have the best facilities, the best development program etc.
Yes it is a balancing act but it is bloody tough one.
Each to their own on this opinion wise but please those who think we should be over spending on the cap, paying the tax don't complain or sook if the Club reports a loss. Don't throw your hands up in the air and say "how did this happen, we are a powerful Club we are rich this shouldn't happen". You cannot have it both ways
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I don’t think we should be overspending but it is clear we need investment in our coaching department more, whether that’s by reallocating funds or otherwise.
We’ve lost Rutten, caracella, McRae and leppa over the past few seasons and I can’t remember how many we’ve replaced (maybe 1 or 2) and I’m not counting the internal promotions/taking on of multiple roles. IMO the coaching lineup is atleast 1-2 experienced appointments short as it stands.
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We are only talking about 300k here so if the development has to be held back 3 months so be it.
Are we in the business of building edifices or trying to win premierships?
My final comment on this
We are talking about alot more than $300k here
We lose $2 million this year, which is highly possibly then what? We just keep spending money we don't have, that we are not making?
The redevelopment of the Punt Road is super important. It will allow us to have the best facilities, the best development program etc.
Yes it is a balancing act but it is bloody tough one.
Each to their own on this opinion wise but please those who think we should be over spending on the cap, paying the tax don't complain or sook if the Club reports a loss. Don't throw your hands up in the air and say "how did this happen, we are a powerful Club we are rich this shouldn't happen". You cannot have it both ways
Cmon stop talking sense.
We’ve worked hard to get into a strong position, the last 2 years have hurt the bottom line big time.
Luckily we had cash reserves, which have been eaten into quite substantially.
Spend what we can on the cap, but be smart about it…you don’t go throwing around.
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Adam Kingsley to be one of those interviewed next week for the Carlton gig according to Tom Browne.
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1437701971054510082
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“ Davies said the clock was ticking for Michael Voss to make a decision on his future with the Power's senior assistant vying for the vacant Carlton head coach role.“
https://www.afl.com.au/news/677185/port-confirms-extreme-interest-in-swan-in-wake-of-prelim-abomination-
Voss might be available?
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Adam Kingsley now in Carlton's top 2 choices for their senior coaching gig.
Carlton’s search for a new senior coach is reportedly down to just two candidates after the selection panel’s latest series of interviews this week.
A report from 7 News details that Carlton’s new football director Greg Williams is set on either Michael Voss or Adam Kingsley for the vacant position.
Kingsley was Collingwood’s second choice for its recently filled position, with Craig McRae given the nod to be the club’s new senior coach after an interview process that included Voss.
The 46-year-old remains a highly-rated assistant coach at Richmond, with coach Damien Hardwick personally vouching for his credentials as a senior coach if given the opportunity.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2021-carlton-next-coach-candidates-michael-voss-or-adam-kingsley-coaching-selection-panel-brian-cook-ceo/news-story/9255a9919011640ad110d9228120127d
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Hope he gets it. Theyll sack him in 3 years tops.
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Geez we lose Kingsley and out coaching ranks are as depleted as it gets.
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Yeah would really hate to lose the bloke responsible for our midfield and stoppages this year..... :shh
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I'd prefer Kingsley to go, full clean out, new personal to share insight from other clubs and refresh some ideas. Worked for 2017.
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Would love to look at Buckley and Teague.
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Yeah would really hate to lose the bloke responsible for our midfield and stoppages this year..... :shh
Same guy that was in our premiership coaching team in 19 & 20 or does 1 crap year undo all of that? Why stop there let’s boot out everybody.
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Gee would they've been the same years we also had Leppa & Carracella and that was still the weakest area of our game? :shh
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Gee didn’t caracella leave after 2019….. Our ball movement still seemed to be able to win the premiership without his much hyped mastermind and genius.
Also our midfield was absolutely the best in the competition at the back end of last season and in finals.
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Said it before we need at minimum 2 new assistant's and club needs to spend the $$$ other club are don't want to hear this cap bs.
:clapping
We are only talking about 300k here so if the development has to be held back 3 months so be it.
Are we in the business of building edifices or trying to win premierships?
My final comment on this
We are talking about alot more than $300k here
We lose $2 million this year, which is highly possibly then what? We just keep spending money we don't have, that we are not making?
The redevelopment of the Punt Road is super important. It will allow us to have the best facilities, the best development program etc.
Yes it is a balancing act but it is bloody tough one.
Each to their own on this opinion wise but please those who think we should be over spending on the cap, paying the tax don't complain or sook if the Club reports a loss. Don't throw your hands up in the air and say "how did this happen, we are a powerful Club we are rich this shouldn't happen". You cannot have it both ways
But other clubs can not only pay for quality people in the footy department but also pay out coaches they have sacked. :shh :rollin
Maybe you can explain how the other clubs are able to do this?
Skimping on footy department spending is not what we should be doing but maximising talent as well as being smart about overspending.
We all know what happens when our club isn’t prepared to invest in football.
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With Teague now locked in I’m hoping we can still jag 1 more new assistant.
I find it really strange dean Solomon isn’t involved in the AFL. Was touted as one of the few assistants ready to make the jump to senior coach one minute and then out of a job completely the next.
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What is more important when we are in a Premiership window an, extra coach to maybe get us over the line or an extra room on our building?
Talking about debts is a red herring as there are projects we can defer for a couple of years while we focus on this window.
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What is more important when we are in a Premiership window an, extra coach to maybe get us over the line or an extra room on our building?
Talking about debts is a red herring as there are projects we can defer for a couple of years while we focus on this window.
You do realise the costs of the redevelopment is not included in the Footy department cap?
And that the club has received or is going to receive $30 million in govt funding for the redevelopment? I would think it is reasonable to assume that they want to see something for their investment ASAP.
And talking about losses as opposed to debt (they are totally different BTW) is not a red herring. You cannot continually spend more than you earn. You do that you make a loss.and you eat into your cash reserves which can lead you into debt
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WP if we tank again next season because we have been stingy in football dept spending how much will that cost us in revenue.
I see somewhere on another thread we have identified that we were too stingy last season and are addressing the issue.
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WP if we tank again next season because we have been stingy in football dept spending how much will that cost us in revenue.
I see somewhere on another thread we have identified that we were too stingy last season and are addressing the issue.
Who said anything about tanking ::)
We won't be tanking
Not sure what you point is to be honest
It is budget time, you'd be expecting the Club to be reviewing all areas of spend and revenue..... and seeing what extra can be spent without
things would be helped if the idiots at HQ actually told Clubs definitively how much the soft cap is going to be next year .. talk is it will be about $500k, that should make everyone happy that's probably at a minimum one and half assistant coaches
My personal view is there should be no soft cap at all. Clubs should be allowed to spend what they want in their footy depts but HQ don't share my view.
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It all currently a tight balance, to spend what you don’t have will have consequences in the future. To hire in one area will mean we will have to reduce in other areas. It’s unfortunate considering we had a tight successful group and to me we seem to have been particularly effected.
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Michael Voss remains favourite to be named Carlton’s new coach within days, but his only competitor Adam Kingsley is still in the running for the position.
Voss, the former Brisbane Lions coach and Port Adelaide assistant, and Kingsley, a senior assistant coach at Richmond, gave their final presentations to the Blues’ coach selection subcommittee on Wednesday, after Voss flew to Melbourne.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/voss-favourite-but-kingsley-supported-in-blues-coaching-bid-20210922-p58tyk.html
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Give Kingsley the job so we can grab Voss IMO
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Give Kingsley the job so we can grab Voss IMO
:chuck :chuck :chuck
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-announces-michael-voss-as-new-head-coach/news-story/740304e279e19f3991c68d4baebd7965
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-announces-michael-voss-as-new-head-coach/news-story/740304e279e19f3991c68d4baebd7965
Dusty will be pleased
Dusty rate Kingsley very highly
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Get Greg Stafford back to Punt Road, or Chapman so he can make amends for that woeful finals display years ago.
We will most likely lose Mclovin leaving 2 again, of which the jury is still out on one of them IMO.
As we have seen many times, Hardwick performs terribly with no support around him. That is a fact!
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Get Greg Stafford back to Punt Road, or Chapman so he can make amends for that woeful finals display years ago.
We will most likely lose Mclovin leaving 2 again, of which the jury is still out on one of them IMO.
As we have seen many times, Hardwick performs terribly with no support around him. That is a fact!
With Kingsley and Teague good support ,but will like one more coaching addition.
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To be honest Teague doesn’t fill me great excitement. Hardly raised the bar even when he was an assistance at the CFC.
As for Kingsley, well his area of focus this year was a disaster.
Looks good with a good team around him with leppa McRae, caracella etc.
Going to need a few more quality assistants than what we have so far.
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Give Kingsley the job so we can grab Voss IMO
We can get Voss halfway through next year ( if we want him) when Carlton sack him
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To be honest Teague doesn’t fill me great excitement. Hardly raised the bar even when he was an assistance at the CFC.
As for Kingsley, well his area of focus this year was a disaster.
Looks good with a good team around him with leppa McRae, caracella etc.
Going to need a few more quality assistants than what we have so far.
You do realise the injuries we had in the engine room not making excuses , but that's a factor.
Teague did well at eagles and crows.Leppa got the sack from lions come back better.
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Teague's a gun assistant and offence is his strong point....after tackling it's the area we need to improve on the most... :shh
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Teague's a gun assistant and offence is his strong point....after tackling it's the area we need to improve on the most... :shh
Yep.
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Rance at esssendon now :(
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Gee where is all this money from that other clubs are investing in the coaching ranks, and I thought rance had enough and wanted a time out. Perhaps a time out from Punt Road :shh
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Wonder how many Bumblers flogs are now hastily deleting all their Rance bashing comments & post-All-Australian meltdowns from over the last decade? :shh
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Livingstone said with the soft cap cut we've learnt to become more efficient. The 'tax' on going over the cap is quite high so you've got to watch what and where you spend. He stated that if you spend more on assistant coaches then you've got less to spend elsewhere such as on medical staff.
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Richmond GM of Football Performance Tim Livingstone has explained what David Teague’s likely role at the Tigers will look like.
The former Carlton coach will join Richmond as assistant coach from the 2022 season, and Livingstone was asked whether Teague will be involved with ball movement.
“I think he’ll (David Teague) have a portfolio that involves that (ball movement),” Livingstone told Sportsday in response to the question.
“We’re settling that at the moment … but look Teaguey comes with great experience in the game.
“(He’s had) some excellent mentors that he’s worked with and he’s got some great history with the ability to teach people, and in particular, around ball movement and scoring.
“So that’s probably where we’re tending to lean towards at the moment.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/30/richmond-gm-of-football-performance-explains-teagues-likely-role-at-the-club/
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CONCA PURSUES COACHING ROLE
Former Fremantle and Richmond player Reece Conca is pursuing coaching opportunities in Melbourne after his playing career came to an end in August.
The 150-game midfielder/defender is in discussions with multiple Melbourne clubs about combining a VFL contract with a development coaching position or role as a player development manager.
Conca has completed his level three coaching course, a certificate in counselling and AFLPA certificates in player development and business management.
The 29-year-old, who played 104 games with Richmond, crossed to Fremantle as a free agent at the end of 2018 and was part of the Dockers' leadership group for the past three seasons.
A popular teammate, he performed several shutdown roles on the game's best small forwards and fell just short of triggering a contract extension to play on in 2022. – Nathan Schmook
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682741/eagles-circle-a-big-dog-suns-roos-explore-innovative-trade
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Is turnover coach a thing now? :shh
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I think he'll do well personally.
Was always a popular bloke. Sounds like he's been busy outside footy. Good on him, since he wasn't a great player.
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Conca cuddles. LETS GO!!!!
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Kingsley has apparently re-signed for another year as our assistant coach.
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Richmond assistant coach Adam Kingsley is looking forward to reuniting with the newest member of the Tigers’ coaching panel, former Carlton senior coach David Teague.
The pair previously worked together as assistant coaches at St Kilda.
Kingsley was with the Saints from 2011-18 prior to joining Richmond, while Teague spent one-year there, in 2014, before being appointed as an assistant coach at Adelaide.
“We’re a really strong coaching group and adding “Teaguey” will be really good for us,” Kingsley said on SEN.
“I worked with Teaguey at St Kilda many years ago and he’s a ripping fellow, really pleasant company, and knows his stuff.
“So, I think he’s going to be a great addition to our coaching group.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1023761/tiger-coaching-duo-back-together
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Who's in, who's out? Your club's coaching changes for 2022
By Nathan Schmook and Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
23 October 2021
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
IN: David Teague
OUT: Nil
After two-plus seasons in the senior chair at Carlton, Teague joins Damien Hardwick's team as the Tigers look to put themselves back into premiership contention in 2022. Although his role is yet to be specifically titled, Teague will likely do something around ball movement. Xavier Clarke will also step up from the VFL to a line role next season, while Steve Morris will take over the VFL reins.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/685432/who-s-in-who-s-out-your-club-s-coaching-changes-for-2022
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Former Blues coach Teague, in charge of offence/ball movement has helped spark new ideas and innovation in front-half ball movement, with the long summer giving Richmond months to actually train their tactical tweaks.
“He is really bubbly and energetic and he wants everyone to get better. He has some great new ideas offensively and I have already struck up a great relationship with him,” Lynch said.
“Xavier Clark is our forward coach too, so we will tweak a bit like we always do and we have had time to train those changes.”
Source: Tom Lynch in the HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-richmond-news-stay-uptodate-with-the-tigers-preseason/news-story/9d4c1b5d978737995e53d57218f32572).
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So with Teague off to a flying start who else have we got this year in this department.
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laughable how the best we could come up with teague in the off season after losing the calibre that we lost, including Inness.
no wonder we are a rabble at present.
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But we are a big four club with the biggest membership :rollin
……..meanwhile our recruiting and development has gone down the toilet and the women’s team have to put up with the worst club support of any team in the country. :help
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I think the club have owned this especially with the reduced cap.
Huge shame we haven't kept up with what we built, it's certainly impacted negatively.
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Surely Dimma should have some control/input here??
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That Adam Kingsley was in the final 2 for the Pies job when our midfield and clearance work us in disarray is staggering to me
laughable how the best we could come up with teague in the off season after losing the calibre that we lost, including Inness.
no wonder we are a rabble at present.
Not sure what you mean Frankie, who from an assistant coaching perspective did we lose this past off season.
Macrae was at Hawthorn and Leppa was in the media last season... we actually didn't lose any assistants and added
Inness is the one that's the biggest loss right now
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That Adam Kingsley was in the final 2 for the Pies job when our midfield and clearance work us in disarray is staggering to me
laughable how the best we could come up with teague in the off season after losing the calibre that we lost, including Inness.
no wonder we are a rabble at present.
Not sure what you mean Frankie, who from an assistant coaching perspective did we lose this past off season.
Macrae was at Hawthorn and Leppa was in the media last season... we actually didn't lose any assistants and added
Inness is the one that's the biggest loss right now
Wp who have we lost over the last 3 years (post 19) and who have we gained?
Yes I include Inness in that. Our biggest play was for Teague. That’s it.
It’s playing out exactly as I thought it would.
Add to that we have blokes like Kingsley who thinks he is better than what he is.
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The question may be who’s taking up all the cap when we seem to be a bit behind in the coaching area compared to other clubs
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Wp who have we lost over the last 3 years (post 19) and who have we gained?
Yes I include Inness in that. Our biggest play was for Teague. That’s it.
It’s playing out exactly as I thought it would.
Add to that we have blokes like Kingsley who thinks he is better than what he is.
Ok, thanks Frankie get your point now. I thought you were referring to this past off season.
My personal view is losing Leppa is the biggest one since the cut to the soft cap. I get why it happened, he was out of contract and the others weren't (same with McCrae) but his loss has been significant IMHO
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The question may be who’s taking up all the cap when we seem to be a bit behind in the coaching area compared to other clubs
Divorces are expensive
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Teague looked after the Eagles’ defence for three seasons before crossing to St Kilda in 2014 and then to the Adelaide Football Club in 2015.
As Adelaide’s forward-line coach, Teague helped the sharp-shooting Crows play finals in three consecutive seasons, inc
So basically Teague has been a loser at every club he has been at? His resume isn’t great, and im baffles what Hardwick was thinking not replacing our previous gems with someone who had a clue what they are doing.
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I don't think it's anything to do with Teague the whole structure of the team is out of whack , personal, skills you name it.
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Who is our midfield and stoppage coach?
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He is part of the problem cause he is hopeless and the other mistake was those who thought he was the panacea to another flag.
Blues fans were laughing at us when we got him.
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Who is our midfield and stoppage coach?
Andrew McQualter
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HeraldSun claiming 8 clubs have sounded out Clarkson about having a role next year.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/alastair-clarkson-2022-eight-clubs-have-made-inquiries-about-coaching-future-of-hawthorns-fourtime-premiership-coach/news-story/df92839e1be3e20cae3c002b3c319907
He is Dimma's mate so would we be one of them?
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David Teague :lol
Bump.
Some on here lauded this selection.
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We are the second highest scoring team in the league.
If there’s one line we can say have been pulling their weight it’s the fwd line.
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:rollin
He is doing an outstanding job then, given the accuracy of our forwards.
What is our pressure like keeping the ball in d50. Must be off the chart especially in the last quarters where our games are lost?
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Needs a clean up still maintain shouldn't have let so much quality go fair enough McRae got a job rumour has it Dimma didn't want to take a pay cut to keep the band together.
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:rollin
He is doing an outstanding job then, given the accuracy of our forwards.
What is our pressure like keeping the ball in d50. Must be off the chart especially in the last quarters where our games are lost?
Instead of making wise cracks just for the sake of being able to say ‘I told you so’, while singling out the fwd line coach in his first season when we are second in the league in points scored which is the no.1 job of the fwd line, not to mention AFL #1 in fwd half turnovers, why don’t you look at the midfield and defensive lines. We are losing clearances most weeks and yes I know that was never our strong suit but the difference is now we are conceding goals from them. Then we are ranked 11th for points conceded, something that we were always in the top 3 in and that we built a dynasty off. We just conceded 92 points to the bottom side on the ladder who had lost 14 on the trot with their previous high score for the season being 81.
But yes David Teague what a horrible appointment. Bravo :clapping
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Needs a clean up still maintain shouldn't have let so much quality go fair enough McRae got a job rumour has it Dimma didn't want to take a pay cut to keep the band together.
Rumour is wrong. It has been well documented he did take a pay cut.
Soft cap got slashed by $3mil. Not a million, not $1.5 million but $3mil. We were spending all of the soft cap before the AFL over reacted. So our cuts had to be deep
I've said this a number of times and I know people don't like hearing it.
But we had 2 assistant coaches coming out of contract (Leppa and Macrae) all others were contracted. So others were not let go those 2 put their hands up and said they'd go. Although Macrae already had an offer from the Hawks on the table. To further ease the job losses Dimma took a pay cut. But the club still had to cut to get under the new limit. Recruiting got hit, development got hit. They did that and we've paid the price ever since.
I won't go into more detail but reckon if anyone ever gets the chance to chat to Balmey about it, youvshould you will learn a lot and I reckon most would be like me and think it’s a disgrace what the AFL did, damning
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Is our club so cash strapped that we couldn't have kept at least one of the assistants and just paid the tax?
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Needs a clean up still maintain shouldn't have let so much quality go fair enough McRae got a job rumour has it Dimma didn't want to take a pay cut to keep the band together.
Rumour is wrong. It has been well documented he did take a pay cut.
Soft cap got slashed by $3mil. Not a million, not $1.5 million but $3mil. We were spending all of the soft cap before the AFL over reacted. So our cuts had to be deep
I've said this a number of times and I know people don't like hearing it.
But we had 2 assistant coaches coming out of contract (Leppa and Macrae) all others were contracted. So others were not let go those 2 put their hands up and said they'd go. Although Macrae already had an offer from the Hawks on the table. To further ease the job losses Dimma took a pay cut. But the club still had to cut to get under the new limit. Recruiting got hit, development got hit. They did that and we've paid the price ever since.
I won't go into more detail but reckon if anyone ever gets the chance to chat to Balmey about it, youvshould you will learn a lot and I reckon most would be like me and think it’s a disgrace what the AFL did, damning
I hear this and I’ve heard it a few times but Sydney can recruit better people and not lose assistants, Melbourne too, Carlton and Collingwood get some assistants we couldn’t afford to keep.
Why have other clubs not having the same issues we are complaining about?
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Needs a clean up still maintain shouldn't have let so much quality go fair enough McRae got a job rumour has it Dimma didn't want to take a pay cut to keep the band together.
Rumour is wrong. It has been well documented he did take a pay cut.
Soft cap got slashed by $3mil. Not a million, not $1.5 million but $3mil. We were spending all of the soft cap before the AFL over reacted. So our cuts had to be deep
I've said this a number of times and I know people don't like hearing it.
But we had 2 assistant coaches coming out of contract (Leppa and Macrae) all others were contracted. So others were not let go those 2 put their hands up and said they'd go. Although Macrae already had an offer from the Hawks on the table. To further ease the job losses Dimma took a pay cut. But the club still had to cut to get under the new limit. Recruiting got hit, development got hit. They did that and we've paid the price ever since.
I won't go into more detail but reckon if anyone ever gets the chance to chat to Balmey about it, youvshould you will learn a lot and I reckon most would be like me and think it’s a disgrace what the AFL did, damning
Nobbled us…we were ahead of the curve.
The cuts brought us back to the field.
The whole idea of making the club debt free was so we could invest in off field.
Hence we did..
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Why have other clubs not having the same issues we are complaining about?
other Clubs have had the same issues but even if they complain they don't sell papers
The RFC is not the first Club that went to the AFL asking for the soft cap to be restored to pre COVID levels :whistle
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Needs a clean up still maintain shouldn't have let so much quality go fair enough McRae got a job rumour has it Dimma didn't want to take a pay cut to keep the band together.
Rumour is wrong. It has been well documented he did take a pay cut.
Soft cap got slashed by $3mil. Not a million, not $1.5 million but $3mil. We were spending all of the soft cap before the AFL over reacted. So our cuts had to be deep
I've said this a number of times and I know people don't like hearing it.
But we had 2 assistant coaches coming out of contract (Leppa and Macrae) all others were contracted. So others were not let go those 2 put their hands up and said they'd go. Although Macrae already had an offer from the Hawks on the table. To further ease the job losses Dimma took a pay cut. But the club still had to cut to get under the new limit. Recruiting got hit, development got hit. They did that and we've paid the price ever since.
I won't go into more detail but reckon if anyone ever gets the chance to chat to Balmey about it, youvshould you will learn a lot and I reckon most would be like me and think it’s a disgrace what the AFL did, damning
Ok that may be true , but why have other clubs recruited quality assistant's like a poster mentioned and we haven't replaced them.The only replacement has been Teague and promoted Clarke.We loss Rutten ,Blake ,Leppa and McRae that's alot of quality not replaced in my book.
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Needs a clean up still maintain shouldn't have let so much quality go fair enough McRae got a job rumour has it Dimma didn't want to take a pay cut to keep the band together.
Rumour is wrong. It has been well documented he did take a pay cut.
Soft cap got slashed by $3mil. Not a million, not $1.5 million but $3mil. We were spending all of the soft cap before the AFL over reacted. So our cuts had to be deep
I've said this a number of times and I know people don't like hearing it.
But we had 2 assistant coaches coming out of contract (Leppa and Macrae) all others were contracted. So others were not let go those 2 put their hands up and said they'd go. Although Macrae already had an offer from the Hawks on the table. To further ease the job losses Dimma took a pay cut. But the club still had to cut to get under the new limit. Recruiting got hit, development got hit. They did that and we've paid the price ever since.
I won't go into more detail but reckon if anyone ever gets the chance to chat to Balmey about it, youvshould you will learn a lot and I reckon most would be like me and think it’s a disgrace what the AFL did, damning
Ok that may be true , but why have other clubs recruited quality assistant's like a poster mentioned and we haven't replaced them.The only replacement has been Teague and promoted Clarke.We loss Rutten ,Blake ,Leppa and McRae that's alot of quality not replaced in my book.
Indeed it is and it produced 3 of the best years on my life- 3 x cups :shh
Good people are poached so it's our job to develop the next group.
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Needs a clean up still maintain shouldn't have let so much quality go fair enough McRae got a job rumour has it Dimma didn't want to take a pay cut to keep the band together.
Rumour is wrong. It has been well documented he did take a pay cut.
Soft cap got slashed by $3mil. Not a million, not $1.5 million but $3mil. We were spending all of the soft cap before the AFL over reacted. So our cuts had to be deep
I've said this a number of times and I know people don't like hearing it.
But we had 2 assistant coaches coming out of contract (Leppa and Macrae) all others were contracted. So others were not let go those 2 put their hands up and said they'd go. Although Macrae already had an offer from the Hawks on the table. To further ease the job losses Dimma took a pay cut. But the club still had to cut to get under the new limit. Recruiting got hit, development got hit. They did that and we've paid the price ever since.
I won't go into more detail but reckon if anyone ever gets the chance to chat to Balmey about it, youvshould you will learn a lot and I reckon most would be like me and think it’s a disgrace what the AFL did, damning
Ok that may be true , but why have other clubs recruited quality assistant's like a poster mentioned and we haven't replaced them.The only replacement has been Teague and promoted Clarke.We loss Rutten ,Blake ,Leppa and McRae that's alot of quality not replaced in my book.
^ This.
I’ve read your take on this WP and while I understand costs had to be cut due to the reduced soft cap, doing it to such a severe extent on our coaching group has been a mistake imo. Like the post above says, we lost 4 assistants at one point or another during our flag years and we’ve replaced them with Teague (done a good job imo) and that’s it. We’ve got Xavier Clarke pulling double duty and have Steve Morris coaching our VFL side. Think about that for a minute, we went from the guy who is now coaching Collingwood to 5th spot on the ladder to a guy who just recently retired from our VFL program who I’m not sure anyone had pegged to take up coaching.
Imo we need to hire 1 more senior assistant in the off-season at the bare minimum while 2 would be ideal.
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I’ve read your take on this WP and while I understand costs had to be cut due to the reduced soft cap, doing it to such a severe extent on our coaching group has been a mistake imo. Like the post above says, we lost 4 assistants at one point or another during our flag years and we’ve replaced them with Teague (done a good job imo) and that’s it. We’ve got Xavier Clarke pulling double duty and have Steve Morris coaching our VFL side. Think about that for a minute, we went from the guy who is now coaching Collingwood to 5th spot on the ladder to a guy who just recently retired from our VFL program who I’m not sure anyone had pegged to take up coaching.
Imo we need to hire 1 more senior assistant in the off-season at the bare minimum while 2 would be ideal.
So exactly where was the Club supposed to make the cuts?
I keep reading that they should have simply paid over the cap and pay the tax for over spending no matter how much that was/is. If only it was that simple
Club made just on $2.5mil profit in 2021. If they had paid over the cap by say $1.2 to $1.8mil and then the tax, the Club would have made a loss. Is that what people are suggesting the Club should be doing? Yes or no?
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I’ve read your take on this WP and while I understand costs had to be cut due to the reduced soft cap, doing it to such a severe extent on our coaching group has been a mistake imo. Like the post above says, we lost 4 assistants at one point or another during our flag years and we’ve replaced them with Teague (done a good job imo) and that’s it. We’ve got Xavier Clarke pulling double duty and have Steve Morris coaching our VFL side. Think about that for a minute, we went from the guy who is now coaching Collingwood to 5th spot on the ladder to a guy who just recently retired from our VFL program who I’m not sure anyone had pegged to take up coaching.
Imo we need to hire 1 more senior assistant in the off-season at the bare minimum while 2 would be ideal.
So exactly where was the Club supposed to make the cuts?
I keep reading that they should have simply paid over the cap and pay the tax for over spending no matter how much that was/is. If only it was that simple
Club made just on $2.5mil profit in 2021. If they had paid over the cap by say $1.2 to $1.8mil and then the tax, the Club would have made a loss. Is that what people are suggesting the Club should be doing? Yes or no?
I don’t know enough about the footy department to know where else costs could be cut but I’m sure there would have been other avenues to atleast spread the cost saving out.
Also fair difference between $2.5mil profit and taking a loss, again I’m not familiar enough with the books but if they added just 1 additional assistant coach are you saying we’d go from a $2.5mil profit to in the negatives?
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I’ve read your take on this WP and while I understand costs had to be cut due to the reduced soft cap, doing it to such a severe extent on our coaching group has been a mistake imo. Like the post above says, we lost 4 assistants at one point or another during our flag years and we’ve replaced them with Teague (done a good job imo) and that’s it. We’ve got Xavier Clarke pulling double duty and have Steve Morris coaching our VFL side. Think about that for a minute, we went from the guy who is now coaching Collingwood to 5th spot on the ladder to a guy who just recently retired from our VFL program who I’m not sure anyone had pegged to take up coaching.
Imo we need to hire 1 more senior assistant in the off-season at the bare minimum while 2 would be ideal
So exactly where was the Club supposed to make the cuts?
I keep reading that they should have simply paid over the cap and pay the tax for over spending no matter how much that was/is. If only it was that simple
Club made just on $2.5mil profit in 2021. If they had paid over the cap by say $1.2 to $1.8mil and then the tax, the Club would have made a loss. Is that what people are suggesting the Club should be doing? Yes or no?
WP are you sugesting that Assistants get $600,000 a season? I would have thought that $300,000 would have been closer
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I don’t know enough about the footy department to know where else costs could be cut but I’m sure there would have been other avenues to atleast spread the cost saving out.
Also fair difference between $2.5mil profit and taking a loss, again I’m not familiar enough with the books but if they added just 1 additional assistant coach are you saying we’d go from a $2.5mil profit to in the negatives?
They very much spread the cost savings out. Tim Livingstone is on record as saying they looked at everything, Balmey has said the same
They cut people that most of us wouldn't know about. Trainers, physios footy administrators staff that the players loved = heart and soul people. People bang on about culture but having to let those people go had IMHO a huge impact on the place. They cut in recruiting, they cut development. Every area got cut. It seems people think the only place the cuts were made were in assistant coaches
Also remember the soft cap doesn't cover the total of heads it is all footy dept costs like interstate travel for recruiters. People suggesting we go back to not spending our recruiters interstate?
My $1.2-$1.8 mil was based on putting back in 2 assistants and adding in recruiting. I deliberately made the over spend high to make a point. Paying over the cap would cost us more than people realise
Per the article from 2020 in this link
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/revealed-details-of-the-afl-s-new-footy-tax-20200729-p55gqg.html
Thr Soft cap tax is harsh. So if we were to spend even $500k over the soft cap it would cost another $1mil. So an extra $1.2 million in extra soft cap spend would cost us in total $3.6 million and as I said there goes any profit.
Now I don't know about you but I don't want my Club funding the AFL so they can give that money to the likes of N0rt, GC, GWS, Saints etc
Every Club has made cuts. Every Club has everyone in their footy dept doing double the work. It seems with us all anyone focuses on is our assistants. We've cut deep across the entire footy department ... not sure what else the Club was supposed to do?
So I ask again where or what/who else should we have cut to get under the cap or do we just go along pay overs and pay a tax at 200%
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Understand your point WP , but how have other clubs managed to keep there boat a float of assistant coaches and also added quality coaches that's what I can't understand I can't recall any club loosing that much quality over the space of 2 seasons. I don't buy it either we we're over paying or there is another reason.
This has back 🔥 big time all our success come when we added quality football people around the club so proof is in the pudding.
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Great question Georgies :thumbsup
It doesn’t make sense that we seem to need to have the bare minimum when other clubs poach our assistants we can’t afford.
Sydney lose no one and gain Pike and our fitness coach.
We seem to be struggling to pay anyone of quality.
And now we lose Burge to Hawks too after we couldn’t afford you keep McCrae but the hawks somehow could :rollin
It all makes no sense to me but apparently ALL clubs are struggling but it doesn’t seem so if you look at what some clubs have in their footy department compared to ours.
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I think the point here is that our spend was at it’s highest when covid hit - clubs like Hawks and Swans might not have had the same spend being near the foot of the ladder which would have made us vulnerable to being poached.
The best example are the Pies who effectively would have got Macrae and Leppa for Buckley’s salary.
I don’t understand why people can’t see this - organisations the world over have their talent pinched by those who are striving to fill their shoes.
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I think the point here is that our spend was at it’s highest when covid hit - clubs like Hawks and Swans might not have had the same spend being near the foot of the ladder which would have made us vulnerable to being poached.
The best example are the Pies who effectively would have got Macrae and Leppa for Buckley’s salary.
I don’t understand why people can’t see this - organisations the world over have their talent pinched by those who are striving to fill their shoes.
Understand that got no issues with talent getting poached, but why weren't they replaced we had one less assistant coach last year one was doing 2 jobs that's embarrassing for a club that boasting about 100k members and just won 3 flags ?.
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Great question Georgies :thumbsup
It doesn’t make sense that we seem to need to have the bare minimum when other clubs poach our assistants we can’t afford.
Sydney lose no one and gain Pike and our fitness coach.
We seem to be struggling to pay anyone of quality.
And now we lose Burge to Hawks too after we couldn’t afford you keep McCrae but the hawks somehow could :rollin
It all makes no sense to me but apparently ALL clubs are struggling but it doesn’t seem so if you look at what some clubs have in their footy department compared to ours.
100 % agree when you put together one of the best assistant coaching group together we started flourishing so why we wouldn't continue is bewildering and yes soft cap had it's issues, , but we handled it poorly we we're one assistant coach short last season mind you and club rectified it this year while other clubs have boosted .
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Wouldn't it be great if we knew exactly where, what and who every Club cut? How much each club pays its assistants, senior coaches, recruiters etc? To see how every Club allocates the soft cap now and before the cuts
Then everyone could actually accurately compare.
It is pretty clear to me that for Tiger supporters the only thing most focus on is assistant coaches and constantly compare to what other Clubs have or haven't done ....but surely there's more to it than that?
Doesn't it also involve what areas Clubs prioritise? We kept Emma Murray, we kept the leadership bloke. Things that are obviously important to our program. It was a balancing act.
Am I saying that we got everything right? No, far from it because as I have said many times there were behind the scene folk that were let go that hit the enitre footy dept and Club hard. But when you have to cut over $3mil from your costs then you have to make big cuts. I also wonder if there'd be this focus (obsession) on assistant coaches if we had won all the games we should have.
And just one more point many on here are making the assumption that all Clubs were spending the $9 mil plus before it was cut. They were not. So if a Club was only spending say $7-$8mil then wouldn't they need to make less changes and could that not be one of the reasons they didn't lose assistant coaches? Just think people need to look at the entire picture not just part of it
When it is all said and done our Club worked bloody hard to get to the point where it could be one of handful of Clubs that could spend all of the previous cap. And now we're are clearly disadvantaged due to an over reaction by the morons at AFL HQ when COVID struck. That the AFL has refused to return the soft cap to pre pandemic levels clearly shows their want to try and hold back successful clubs and help the have nots. The Pandemic gave them them the perfect excuse to make that cut. It was the perfect storm as they say.
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So Murray is still around now on the payroll? IF so she join burge and get stuffed.
The players aren’t listening to her it seems so why waste our money? Use it on another assistant like Grigg.
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Whatever we think football department needs a revamp Burge gone and we atleast 2 quality assistant's Grigg would be great and Graham from the dockers.
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Whatever we think football department needs a revamp Burge gone and we atleast 2 quality assistant's Grigg would be great and Graham from the dockers.
I would think right now the main focus has to be getting the Burge replacement 100% correct
Then look at the other areas.
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Bruise free offensive elimination final footy. Well done Teague ya flog
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Bruise free offensive elimination final footy. Well done Teague ya flog
Joking surely?
Highest scoring team this season.
Kicked 100+ points tonight.
Backline and midfield is the reason we lost
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Highest scoring team that now focuses on that and has lost all defensive pressure that made us great.
Come on ur smarter than that.
Teague is rubbish. Bring back Truck asap
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Loose, high-scoring, slingshot footy in losing elim finals--it's like the Ratten days at Carlton. This style hasn't won anything for decades--if ever.
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Loose, high-scoring, slingshot footy in losing elim finals--it's like the Ratten days at Carlton. This style hasn't won anything for decades--if ever.
That's not reason we lost , we loss because of lack of composure , smarts and poor decisions befn our issues all year.
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Loose, high-scoring, slingshot footy in losing elim finals--it's like the Ratten days at Carlton. This style hasn't won anything for decades--if ever.
Exactly. Been saying it all year when all these blokes were rubbing their nuts about this fantastic high scoring game.
Bolton no tackles
Lynch no tackles
Cumberland no tackles
Our one wood was holding the ball inside F50, and we just let them waltz it out time and time again with such ease. Been happening all year.
Rubbish football that wins you nothing in September. Fact.
The other mistake these idiots made, was not bringing anything through the door via FA, thinking we had one more shot by doing sfa and changing the game plan.
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Frankie, with respect
While you go on about Teague you are letting another assistant coach avoid any scrutiny.
We have leaked goals all season at crucial times. You need to hold the backline coach to the same level of account you seem to be obsessed with holding Teague to. That embarrassing thing "effort" in the last minute 20 that allowed Dopey Daniher to win them the game was unforgivable.
Ditto our stoppages coach. That we at no time adjusted our centre set up once we had dependency at ruck contest was a disgrace
No issue with anyone paying out on coaches but just be consistent with it. Don't target just one bloke
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Il target who I want to target WP with respect. Especially if they are crap.
No team wins finals playing this offensive crap. You can believe it does and good for you.
At least Kingslley and Mcqualter were around our winning era so for that I give them credit. Have they lost their way. Sure but it all starts with the mindset that IMv has been installed into them to be offensive.
Garbage year. Back to our 2013-2015 era.
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Il target who I want to target WP with respect. Especially if they are crap.
No team wins finals playing this offensive crap. You can believe it does and good for you.
At least Kingslley and Mcqualter were around our winning era so for that I give them credit. Have they lost their way. Sure but it all starts with the mindset that IMv has been installed into them to be offensive.
Garbage year. Back to our 2013-2015 era.
Frankie, you can target whoever you like
But IMO you are letting some blokes off very lightly. That they were around when we one flags is irrelevant
You speak about offensive mindset. That's Mcqualter's area.
The Daniher goal was a disgrace. That's the games right there.
Let's just agree to disagree
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In my opinion.. to paraphrase Harry Truman .. the buck stops here aka Dimma
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Richmond General Manager- Football Performance Tim Livingstone said retaining Lambert as a part of the football program was exciting news for the Club.
"Kane has shown already that he has the makings of an excellent coach with his outstanding knowledge of the game, relationship building and communication skills," he said.
"We are delighted to have Kane's thoughts and ideas as part of our coaching structure for another season and look forward to him continuing to help us embrace the challenge of climbing the ladder in 2023."
Lambert said he was thrilled to remain at the Swinburne Centre.
"I am very grateful to be able to enter the next phase of my football career still as a part of the Richmond Football Club," he said.
"There are some promising young players here at the moment, hungry to learn and improve, and I look forward to continuing to work with them next year."
Lambert's appointment follows the recent acquisition of Ben Rutten to Richmond's coaching ranks.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1224976/lambert-to-remain-at-richmond-in-2023
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Awesome news
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Perfect for the role :cheers
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Chutney :bow
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Fantastic news, has the makings to go further as he has the smarts and personality get the best out of player ( like Fly)
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Noticed that Lynchy thanked X Clarke as the forward line coach in his acceptance speech in the b&f. I had thought all season that Teague was the forward line coach but it seems maybe he is in charge of general offence although the website shows that’s part of mcqualters duties.
Be nice of the club to update the website with all current coaches and their role and to keep those up to date.
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Every club's coaching changes
By Nathan Schmook and Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
31 October 2022
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IN: Ben Rutten, Kane Lambert
OUT: Adam Kingsley
Rutten returns to Punt Road, where he helped develop a premiership-winning backline from 2015-2018 before joining Essendon and eventually becoming the Bombers' senior coach. He replaces backline coach Kingsley, who has joined Greater Western Sydney as senior coach. Rutten is another former senior coach in the Tigers' ranks after ex-Carlton coach David Teague joined the club 12 months ago. Triple-premiership player Lambert has also joined the coaching ranks in development.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/861055/big-names-return-stability-among-assistants-every-club-s-coaching-changes
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What a pack of duds. Get rid of them all.
Against suns, dons they couldn’t fiind a way to stop the tactics?
It felt like a very similar game.
Stupid idiots and they knew it was coming from the VFL game. Dumb stuffs
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Development coach Kane Lambert will assume the role of midfield line coach in place of McQualter.
“Kane is a highly regarded person that has made a huge impact in the coaching space both throughout his time as an injured player and since starting as a development coach,” Livingstone said.
“His football knowledge is first-class, and he is a strong tactician. He will add great value to our midfield and stoppage work going forward.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1338765/
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Fantastic news .. made my day
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Dimma is gone and so should the slush retirement fund for duds like Teague. What a joke he has been. Rutten hasnt done much better the second time round, in fact they both should go with a new coach. Morris as well.
A complete clean out is required and this is why i am in favor of a new coach with no emotional ties to anyone.
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Dimma is gone and so should the slush retirement fund for duds like Teague. What a joke he has been. Rutten hasnt done much better the second time round, in fact they both should go with a new coach. Morris as well.
A complete clean out is required and this is why i am in favor of a new coach with no emotional ties to anyone.
Maybe we're just no good anymore.
Possibly not a coaching issue.
But meh
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Dimma is gone and so should the slush retirement fund for duds like Teague. What a joke he has been. Rutten hasnt done much better the second time round, in fact they both should go with a new coach. Morris as well.
A complete clean out is required and this is why i am in favor of a new coach with no emotional ties to anyone.
And I'm sure you will pay any soft cap tax if we have to pay them out, cover the cost if any new ones etc :huh
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Dimma is gone and so should the slush retirement fund for duds like Teague. What a joke he has been. Rutten hasnt done much better the second time round, in fact they both should go with a new coach. Morris as well.
A complete clean out is required and this is why i am in favor of a new coach with no emotional ties to anyone.
And I'm sure you will pay any soft cap tax if we have to pay them out, cover the cost if any new ones etc :huh
how will we go over the soft cap with a new untried coach?
we would have to be a very stupid to have them on any contract, let alone a long one. They should be extremely lucky to even have a job.
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Dimma is gone and so should the slush retirement fund for duds like Teague. What a joke he has been. Rutten hasnt done much better the second time round, in fact they both should go with a new coach. Morris as well.
A complete clean out is required and this is why i am in favor of a new coach with no emotional ties to anyone.
Maybe we're just no good anymore.
Possibly not a coaching issue.
But meh
you dont have to be an excellent coach to send a runner out to Noah to man up.
They have got comfortable in the nice seats under Dimma who would never have got rid of them.
Teague has been woeful as has Morris, and Rutten will be lucky to see another year but after one year in perhaps stays.
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how will we go over the soft cap with a new untried coach?
we would have to be a very stupid to have them on any contract, let alone a long one. They should be extremely lucky to even have a job.
Are you really that naive?
All assistant coaches across the competition are on contracts
You clearly want all or the majority of the current ones gone.
So if they are contracted and the club does what you so desperately want; then the Club would need to pay them out. That cost will go into the soft cap. As will (obviously) the cost of their replacements
You want other areas of the Club expanded or improved eg S&C, development. I would think everyone wants the same
So while a new coach gives room to move in the cap. Getting rid of anyone under contract shrinks what's available and could if you flick them all is likely to put pressure on the soft cap
So I think if it is pretty simple to work out ::)
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I don’t think assistant coaching contracts are usually longer than 1-2 years are they? If that’s the case, some of them may actually be out or left with a single year. I also don’t think every contract has to be payed out, if for example the coaches find employment elsewhere, it may be a mutual agreement type deal.
Anyway I also agree that together with a new coach a new team of assistants would be very beneficial, obviously not if it cripples our soft cap.
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I don’t think assistant coaching contracts are usually longer than 1-2 years are they? If that’s the case, some of them may actually be out or left with a single year. I also don’t think every contract has to be payed out, if for example the coaches find employment elsewhere, it may be a mutual agreement type deal.
Anyway I also agree that together with a new coach a new team of assistants would be very beneficial, obviously not if it cripples our soft cap.
Geez we already managed to clean out a huge part of the whole footy dept without killing the soft cap in 2016.Yes i know its different now but if hard calls are needed then we at least have to make a start.
One thing for sure its not 2019 and the whole footy landscape has changed we have to stop looking within because we are way behind other clubs. Like 2016 its time look outside make some hard calls and at least do the ground work to start the changes that are needed with out destroying the soft cap. Every year this soft cap debate comes up and nothing changes does that mean the club are getting it wrong.
Apart from coaches i hope we actually look into the performance of our recruiting and list management ever since lets say the start of the successful years because i think generally both areas have been ordinary in the main.
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Geez we already managed to clean out a huge part of the whole footy dept without killing the soft cap in 2016.Yes i know its different now but if hard calls are needed then we at least have to make a start.
Umm the soft cap in 2016 was more than it is in 2023.
So that is a rather silly statement didn't you think?
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how will we go over the soft cap with a new untried coach?
we would have to be a very stupid to have them on any contract, let alone a long one. They should be extremely lucky to even have a job.
Are you really that naive?
All assistant coaches across the competition are on contracts
You clearly want all or the majority of the current ones gone.
So if they are contracted and the club does what you so desperately want; then the Club would need to pay them out. That cost will go into the soft cap. As will (obviously) the cost of their replacements
You want other areas of the Club expanded or improved eg S&C, development. I would think everyone wants the same
So while a new coach gives room to move in the cap. Getting rid of anyone under contract shrinks what's available and could if you flick them all is likely to put pressure on the soft cap
So I think if it is pretty simple to work out ::)
Of course they are, i was being a smart arse. Let me say this. Why would we have teague on a 3 year plus contract? Pay him out his last year (if it was 3 years and see him on his way) That is 1. Morris is rubbish and wouldnt be worth 5 cents, so there is another.
This was a bloke who just got the arse from carlton, who lets face it only dimma wanted and as if we are going to give him a long contract 3 plus years? I dont think so, Rutten the same but he has been back for 1 year so give him another year.
new coach 400k, dimma 1 mil maybe more. There wont be any pressure next year as we will finish close to dead last. I think you are the one who is naive thinking a new coach wont want to clean the joint out. You have become fascinated with the soft cap even as we just had a coach walk out on 1 mil plus.
Its time to be bald and i hope a new coach starts with these hacks looking to tidy up their retirement plans. This goes for existing staff across all departments as well. It's not just players who become comfortable in the seat after 3 flags :shh
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new coach 400k, dimma 1 mil maybe more. There wont be any pressure next year as we will finish close to dead last. I think you are the one who is naive thinking a new coach wont want to clean the joint out. You have become fascinated with the soft cap even as we just had a coach walk out on 1 mil plus.
Your naivety seems to know no bounds
A senior coach, even a rookie one is going to be on a bit more than $400k ::). Are you seriously suggesting McRae is on $400K a year? Sam Mitchell?
You want to flick a minimum 3 coaches who if under contract will need to been paid out at say $200k each...
There's the $1mil for Dimma you go on about used. Then bring in a minimum 3 new assistants plus you want more spent in others areas of the footy dept (don't we all) when the afl have said the increase next year will be around $500k.
Oh that's right let's just spend over the cap, pay the tax @200% so we can prop up the minnow Clubs more than we are now...
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If we paid Dimma out for the year we shouldnt have now he is walking into another job (we would have known he was going to GC).
If I quit my job, my employer wouldnt pay me to go on holiday.
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It's called severance pay due to him having a contract for this year & next. We would have paid Dimma out an agreed portion of this year & nothing for next year due to him not fulfilling his contract for that year.
I think the club is smarter than to payout on asisstants contracts when they don't need to.
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Dimma got paid entitlements which were considerable after 14 years. Both accrued annual and long service leave.
As there is in the corporate world, he is given gardening leave payments that prevent him going to another club for a period of time after his resignation .
This will be 3 or 6 months.
All up, worst case scenario is that he will be paid about a year and this will be all allowed under the soft cap entitlements.
So, can we move on? This is a NON ISSUE.
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Dimma got paid entitlements which were considerable after 14 years. Both accrued annual and long service leave.
As there is in the corporate world, he is given gardening leave payments that prevent him going to another club for a period of time after his resignation .
This will be 3 or 6 months.
All up, worst case scenario is that he will be paid about a year and this will be all allowed under the soft cap entitlements.
So, can we move on? This is a NON ISSUE.
Annual leave?? He had 6 months off every year
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Geez we already managed to clean out a huge part of the whole footy dept without killing the soft cap in 2016.Yes i know its different now but if hard calls are needed then we at least have to make a start.
Umm the soft cap in 2016 was more than it is in 2023.
So that is a rather silly statement didn't you think?
Silly lol whos being selective? How could you miss the bit straight after that comment where i said yes i know its different but we need to make a start.
How long is the soft cap going to be an excuse for not making decisions.
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Back to the constant negatives, you need to get back on the happy pills
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Back to the constant negatives, you need to get back on the happy pills
Im on the happy pills. ;)
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:cheers
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Back to the constant negatives, you need to get back on the happy pills
Im on the happy pills. ;)
Hard to imagine what you are like off them
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Back to the constant negatives, you need to get back on the happy pills
Im on the happy pills. ;)
Hard to imagine what you are like off them
Reckon you know :shh
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Richmond assistant Xavier Clarke is a person of interest for @NMFCOfficial [North Melbourne] should he miss out on the main gig at the Tigers. One to watch now there are vacancies... @1116sen
https://twitter.com/tommorris32/status/1701097579881365809
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Xavier Clarke has left to be an assistant coach at Norf.
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We're pleased to confirm that Xavier Clarke will join the club as an assistant coach 📋
Xavier brings a wealth of experience to Arden Street, after playing a key part in the success at Richmond throughout the past eight seasons.
https://twitter.com/NMFCOfficial/status/1706560545703547247
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Need a clean out and freshfaces.
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
Yeah we'll probably need a New man
You're such a negative nellyl
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
Yeah we'll probably need a New man
You're such a negative nellyl
Thanks :dancingpickle
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
Yeah we'll probably need a New man
You're such a negative nellyl
Thanks :dancingpickle
:rollin :rollin
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
We won't because he's contracted and the new coach you know him; some bloke called Yze has said that the majority of the assistants will be staying because they're contracted
Better bag the new bloke for that :lol
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Xavier Clarke has left to be an assistant coach at Norf.
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We're pleased to confirm that Xavier Clarke will join the club as an assistant coach 📋
Xavier brings a wealth of experience to Arden Street, after playing a key part in the success at Richmond throughout the past eight seasons.
https://twitter.com/NMFCOfficial/status/1706560545703547247
RFC Club farewell statement:
Richmond General Manager, Football Performance - Tim Livingstone thanked Clarke for his contribution to the Club.
“We would like to thank Xavier for his efforts across the past seven years working in our football program,” he said.
“Xavier expressed an interest in moving on from Richmond to further his coaching credentials and expand his experiences, which we understand.
“He certainly made a big impact at our Club, and we wish him and his family all the best for the future.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1440839/xavier-clarke-to-depart
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Sad to see Clarke go but completely understand why he left.
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
We won't because he's contracted and the new coach you know him; some bloke called Yze has said that the majority of the assistants will be staying because they're contracted
Better bag the new bloke for that :lol
Rutten was on a 1 year deal mate last year very sure on that Teague gets to much blame our forward line was high scoring last year and this year it was crippled with injuries and now rejuvenation. All I will say is the club needs to invest in the footy department no short cuts.
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
We won't because he's contracted and the new coach you know him; some bloke called Yze has said that the majority of the assistants will be staying because they're contracted
Better bag the new bloke for that :lol
Rutten was on a 1 year deal mate last year very sure on that Teague gets to much blame our forward line was high scoring last year and this year it was crippled with injuries and now rejuvenation. All I will say is the club needs to invest in the footy department no short cuts.
I don't think truck or Teague were the issue this year personally.
Some very questionable selections by Mini who might have been coaching with his hands tied in a sense.
Keen to see how we go next year with fresh leadership at the top.
Also keen to see who our captain(a) is/are
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
We won't because he's contracted and the new coach you know him; some bloke called Yze has said that the majority of the assistants will be staying because they're contracted
Better bag the new bloke for that :lol
he said they are all contracted? Also since when do contracts mean anything
mcqualter, newy, clarke, ratts, Grigg, all out of contract?
seems an awful lot of coaches out of contract :shh
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
We won't because he's contracted and the new coach you know him; some bloke called Yze has said that the majority of the assistants will be staying because they're contracted
Better bag the new bloke for that :lol
Rutten was on a 1 year deal mate last year very sure on that Teague gets to much blame our forward line was high scoring last year and this year it was crippled with injuries and now rejuvenation. All I will say is the club needs to invest in the footy department no short cuts.
Rutten was on a 2 year deal. My understanding is/was all our assistants contracts were due to expire when Dimma's did = end of 2024
And Frankie just for you and I'll try my best to make it simple.
1/ I never said ALL were contracted. I said like the article (interview with Yze) does the MAJORITY are contracted
2/ as is the norm if an assistant asked to be released from their contract to go to another club, they generally get released. They don't get paid out, they just go. This isn't ground breaking stuff
3/ the names you've listed to try and ,are whatever point your trying to make:
Ratts- part time gig at N0rt, so yeah 1 year deal
Newy - final year of his current contract
Clarke - contracted by asked to be released
McQualter- contracted but likely to ask for a release
Grigg - see Newy
But whatever
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Confirmed Ratten has gone back to the Hawks
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1042741/back-to-the-nest-brett-ratten-returns-to-hawthorn
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To blame Teague and Rutten is naive for me. Dimma and Mini were at captaining the ship. I think under Yze I will be interested to see how they go.
I got no issue with Rutten our defence wasn't to bad this year needs work , but alot of mistakes were individual errors by players and his proven before his good backline coach.
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No gibcus for year No Tarrant for most of year. Floss did not start the year well and Grimes had a poor year by his standards. Noah going rorward and back. Poor skills and a constant lack of midfield pressure. Rutten cannot be blamed for that
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Yep. Shame it wasn't Teague who left.
One more spot to fill but I bet we won't and a few posters will blame the soft cap again :lol
We won't because he's contracted and the new coach you know him; some bloke called Yze has said that the majority of the assistants will be staying because they're contracted
Better bag the new bloke for that :lol
Rutten was on a 1 year deal mate last year very sure on that Teague gets to much blame our forward line was high scoring last year and this year it was crippled with injuries and now rejuvenation. All I will say is the club needs to invest in the footy department no short cuts.
Rutten was on a 2 year deal. My understanding is/was all our assistants contracts were due to expire when Dimma's did = end of 2024
And Frankie just for you and I'll try my best to make it simple.
1/ I never said ALL were contracted. I said like the article (interview with Yze) does the MAJORITY are contracted
2/ as is the norm if an assistant asked to be released from their contract to go to another club, they generally get released. They don't get paid out, they just go. This isn't ground breaking stuff
3/ the names you've listed to try and ,are whatever point your trying to make:
Ratts- part time gig at N0rt, so yeah 1 year deal
Newy - final year of his current contract
Clarke - contracted by asked to be released
McQualter- contracted but likely to ask for a release
Grigg - see Newy
But whatever
Thanks for making my point clearer. Contracts dont mean jack. If they want to be broken they would be.
Lets be honest you have no idea who is on a contract, and i very much doubt Teague is on a contract that extends beyond this year. He isnt leppa or mcqualter and has proven sfa as an assistant and coach.
I dont remember Yze ever mentioning most are on contracts, but i may have missed it. Seems very strange a new coach would publicly state coaches are contracted or not.
Also you are the one who rambles on about contracts and not breaking them, soft cap this soft cap that.
As for your comment George I have always said Truck needs one more year as he has only been back for one. He was valuable as an assistant. Teague has had enough chances IMO and is a proven dud.
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Lambert is contracted for 2024.
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Thanks for making my point clearer. Contracts dont mean jack. If they want to be broken they would be.
Lets be honest you have no idea who is on a contract, and i very much doubt Teague is on a contract that extends beyond this year. He isnt leppa or mcqualter and has proven sfa as an assistant and coach.
I dont remember Yze ever mentioning most are on contracts, but i may have missed it. Seems very strange a new coach would publicly state coaches are contracted or not.
Also you are the one who rambles on about contracts and not breaking them, soft cap this soft cap that.
As for your comment George I have always said Truck needs one more year as he has only been back for one. He was valuable as an assistant. Teague has had enough chances IMO and is a proven dud.
You really don't get it do you? An assistant can asked to be released from their contract it has been happening for years. But a club if they terminate an assistants contract have to pay most of it out. Seriously it isn't that difficult to understand... then again perhaps it is
Regarding the RFC's current assistant coaches from page 48 from Monday's Herald Sun under the heading "DUSTY IS YZE’S PRIORITY" 7th paragraph
"Said Yze on Ratten: "We have a meeting on Mondayto work out who is contracted, but the majority of our coaches are contracted and good at what they do. We will workout if there are any gaps in our program and he would be someone we would talk to if there are any spaces available""
So hopefully that proves to you that he said what I've posted a couple about the majority of our assistants being contracts
And before you start twisting things. I have never said ALL I have only posted that Yze said the MAJORITY
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Stuart Dew and Ben Rutten have both knocked back an offer to join the Crows' coaching team.
Rutten is more than happy with his role as an assistant at Richmond following his departure from Essendon.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-miss-out-on-attempts-to-lure-stuart-dew-ben-rutten-among-other-to-deputise-matthew-nicks-c-12504240
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Saw Alex Rance in a Gold Coast kit today and it broke my heart a bit seeing him in red and yellow
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Newy & Ziebell on their first day at training as Tiger assistant coaches.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-yP4DqawAANlN4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-yP4DrbIAAEFC2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1723911454280294880
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Newman to Short: "So think you're the best unaccountable stat padding half-back flanker that goes missing when the heat's on eh? Pfft - I'll show you how it's really done..." :shh
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Saw Alex Rance in a Gold Coast kit today and it broke my heart a bit seeing him in red and yellow
Will last 1-1.5 years …
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I think the addition of Newman and Ziebell is exciting, hopefully they all gel really well
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Newman to Short: "So think you're the best unaccountable stat padding half-back flanker that goes missing when the heat's on eh? Pfft - I'll show you how it's really done..." :shh
:lol. He’s pointing to the best spot to wax the ball from
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Would be a smart move by @Richmond_FC to have a convo with former Tiger Jeromey Webberley the coach of Tassie Devils about coming onboard as an assistant or development coach. Has done a great job with Tassie Devils.
https://twitter.com/freakyherc/status/1726538755736301992
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Would be a smart move by @Richmond_FC to have a convo with former Tiger Jeromey Webberley the coach of Tassie Devils about coming onboard as an assistant or development coach. Has done a great job with Tassie Devils.
https://twitter.com/freakyherc/status/1726538755736301992
Absolutely not! >:(
Will never forget his petulant display up in Cairns all those years ago. Wouldn't chase, wouldn't tackle did absolutely nothing. Embarrassed the jumper that day. For memory was subbed out before half time. Disgraceful performance. Rightly never played for the Tigers again.
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Would be a smart move by @Richmond_FC to have a convo with former Tiger Jeromey Webberley the coach of Tassie Devils about coming onboard as an assistant or development coach. Has done a great job with Tassie Devils.
https://twitter.com/freakyherc/status/1726538755736301992
Absolutely not! >:(
Will never forget his petulant display up in Cairns all those years ago. Wouldn't chase, wouldn't tackle did absolutely nothing. Embarrassed the jumper that day. For memory was subbed out before half time. Disgraceful performance. Rightly never played for the Tigers again.
Look how dismal our team was that day haha.
Bachelor, Derickx, Gus Graham, Moore, McGuane, Dea, Adam Maric, O'Hanlon, Webberley.
We really were the pits fmd.
Personally I don't even remember Web's petulance but that was an era to forget and you'd be hard pressed to find many blokes worth a coaching role bar the legit leaders we had.
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Teague in charge of the fwds, as he was in '22 when we were #1 for scoring in the comp #GoTiges
https://twitter.com/Jonesracing82/status/1734445772786319645
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Would be a smart move by @Richmond_FC to have a convo with former Tiger Jeromey Webberley the coach of Tassie Devils about coming onboard as an assistant or development coach. Has done a great job with Tassie Devils.
https://twitter.com/freakyherc/status/1726538755736301992
Absolutely not! >:(
Will never forget his petulant display up in Cairns all those years ago. Wouldn't chase, wouldn't tackle did absolutely nothing. Embarrassed the jumper that day. For memory was subbed out before half time. Disgraceful performance. Rightly never played for the Tigers again.
Look how dismal our team was that day haha.
Bachelor, Derickx, Gus Graham, Moore, McGuane, Dea, Adam Maric, O'Hanlon, Webberley.
We really were the pits fmd.
Personally I don't even remember Web's petulance but that was an era to forget and you'd be hard pressed to find many blokes worth a coaching role bar the legit leaders we had.
As WP said - Webberly was so dismal that he got subbed off at half time - still the only uninjured player to do so...probably the worst non-effort I've ever seen from a bloke at senior level for any club let alone ours... :shh
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Our Four Walls: Kane Lambert
Richmond Development Coach Kane Lambert gives an update on his role and how the forward line is taking shape in 2024.
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2024/01/24/ab875d9e-2518-497e-9919-8c0df350e791/7xGdj0Eo.jpg?width=1240) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1483337/our-four-walls-kane-lambert)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1483337/our-four-walls-kane-lambert
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RFC still propping up their superannuation funds i see.
i would have liked Yze to boot them all out and start fresh, but no he leaves duds like teague who still pretends like he actually knows what he is doing.