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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on August 13, 2021, 11:25:21 PM
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There is a few players who have developed well namely Dan Rioli, Stack and to an extent CCJ. A few haven't and a few backwards with age.
Who do we expect not to be on the list next year, unsure how contracts play a role. But the following I can see not being with us to refresh the list.
Mabiot Chol - free agent, can't see him staying bring 4th ruck.
J.Caddy - Wasting away
M.Pickett - Nearly 30 probably out of best 22.
M.Parker - Prob hasn't done enough and finishing 11th better to look at a kid.
P.Naish - Unsure. 23 Next year, playing well in 2nds just unsure where he's at.
B.Houli - Injury prone and getting on.
D.Astbury - Also pretty injury prone, 31 next year.
Garthwaite - same as Nash.
Aarts/Castagna - Clearly both rated highly with so many chances and absolutely 0 pressure on his spot by other players. Probabky stays but needs a big improvement.
S.Edwards, T.Cotchin - on the decline of we are honest, maybe have a role up forward. Maybe not.
I'm sure others know more about contracts and who can't be moved on etc. But anyone else in trouble for next year.
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Just listened to Dimma's presser he was asked about Houli
It appears Bachar was on the wireless saying he definitely wants to play on in 2022
Dimma was asked about that. Dimma was very non committal. Stock standard "we will work through that with
Bachar and his manage" etc
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Houli going around again would be ridiculous.... :help
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Dimma discussing our older players and responding to the question about whether we'll start spreading out retirements so they don't all occur at once.
"We've seen it occur at other clubs already this year. I'm sure it will happen at our club whether it is this year or next year and work our way through it. You realise these are delicate matters. We'll work through this with players and their managers. These guys have been outstanding players for us. We'll give them every right to play on next year where we can but also make the right decision for the club."
5:45 min mark: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/999796/round-22-hardwick-post-match
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Dimma discussing our older players and responding to the question about whether we'll start spreading out retirements so they don't all occur at once.
"We've seen it occur at other clubs already this year. I'm sure it will happen at our club whether it is this year or next year and work our way through it. You realise these are delicate matters. We'll work through this with players and their managers. These guys have been outstanding players for us. We'll give them every right to play on next year where we can but also make the right decision for the club."
5:45 min mark: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/999796/round-22-hardwick-post-match
Some tough meetings coming up I reckon.
As there needs to be
Also a couple of easy calls too.
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THE TRADE PERIOD
With their finals hopes essentially shot, the Tigers now face a series of crucial list management decisions.
Those calls, according to triple All-Australian Nick Dal Santo, will essentially determine the club’s short and long-term destiny.
“I think we’ll get a clearer picture on where they think they’re at – or we definitely will have a clearer picture – on decisions they make in the next fortnight and when their season’s over and then ultimately through the trade period,” Dal Santo told Fox Footy’s First Crack.
“If they think that they’re going again, all those senior players that we’ve touched on that you might be thinking are 50-50, like a Bachar (Houli), you’re keeping them, because clearly they’re going to make your team better for the next 12 months.
“Are they in the best interest for the long term? Probably not, because you miss out on that development with the young group.”
Prior to Round 22, the Tigers held the following selections at this year’s national draft: 9, 16, 27, 28, 42, 46. The last time the club had such a juicy draft hand like that was in 2004 when they took Brett Deledio, Richard Tambling, Danny Meyer, Adam Pattison and Dean Polo with their five top-20 picks.
Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph reported on Fox Footy on Friday night the Tigers were more likely to “go to the draft” with that “amazing arsenal” of picks this year, instead of trading aggressively to acquire gun players from rival clubs. This is backed up by senior foxfooty.com.au writer Tom Morris’ report earlier this week, which indicated the Tigers were no longer in the hunt for Fremantle midfielder Adam Cerra.
But if the Tigers are to bring in an array of younger players at this year’s draft, they can’t offer several players new contracts.
The big talking point on Friday night was veteran defender Bachar Houli, who’s “100 per cent sure” he wants to play on next year but coach Damien Hardwick remained tight-lipped about the triple premiership player’s contract situation post-game.
Fellow defender David Astbury, as well as Kamdyn McIntosh, are also unrestricted free agents at season’s end – McIntosh is reportedly closing in on a new Tigers deal – while Mabior Chol and Daniel Rioli are both out of contract at the end of this year. Chol has reportedly been attracting interest from rival clubs.
Dixon said the Tigers had some hard decisions to make.
“You’ve got to move some of those guys on, because if you don’t move them on and you buy another year, you (cost) yourself another year of development, which is not where you want to be,” he said.
“So I think you can clean some out. They sharpen themselves up and they come back to where they know.”
Riewoldt added: “With your senior players, you’ve got to drip them out of the club. You don’t want them all leaving at the same time.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2021-richmond-trade-news-draft-picks-bachar-houli-contract-damien-hardwick-press-conference/news-story/6c53f19924309b59e8f8a12dc9b8c945
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TIGERS TIPPED TO TRADE EARLY PICK FOR READY-MADE PLAYER
North Melbourne great David King believes Richmond will trade away one if its early picks in this year’s draft for a ready-made player.
Friday night’s defeat to the Giants marked Richmond’s seventh loss from its last nine games, with the reigning back-to-back premiers now on the verge of missing finals.
But armed with a healthy draft hand including two first-round picks and two second rounders, the Tigers can reload with young talent and use their currency to target rival players.
“They’ll have some off-season acquisitions that will be of quality,” King said on Fox Footy’s Saturday Countdown.
“I think they’ll trade one of them (their picks).”
Hawthorn legend Dermott Brereton believes Richmond can “bounce” next year if they recruit experienced players in the off-season to provide a spark.
“(They’ll need to recruit) Somebody who’s good to go straight away who can give them some energising some way,” he said.
Richmond is one of several clubs that have been linked to Fremantle young gun Adam Cerra. But foxfooty.com.au senior reporter Tom Morris revealed that Cerra’s decision is now down to two clubs: the Dockers and Blues – thus ruling out the Tigers.
In what rules as a key off-season, Richmond have several players coming out of contract including Bachar Houli, Callum-Coleman Jones, Daniel Rioli, David Astbury, Ivan Soldo, Jason Castagna, Kamdyn McIntosh, Liam Baker, Mabior Chol, Patrick Naish, Ryan Garthwaite and Sydney Stack.
Both King and Brereton expect the Tigers to move on Houli to open up opportunities for younger players.
“They’ll allow some of these kids to take that role,” King said.
Amid a widespread of injuries to key players, King added that he doesn’t think Richmond’s struggles in 2021 have been purely personnel related and believes they can bounce back in 2022 if Damien Hardwick tinkers with their game plan.
“They‘re going to have to look at the way they play, because teams now know that if you do X, Y and Z against them that there’s a mode to beating them now,” the dual premiership Kangaroo said.
“So the challenge now is for Damien to reinvent (them).”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-round-22-analysis-talking-points-reaction-ladder-top-stories-tasmania-expansion-myth-alastair-clarkson-finals/news-story/f55d57033f3e78a1e0e42c585e127ac7
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Bachar Houli - delist
Callum-Coleman Jones - resign
Daniel Rioli - resign
David Astbury - delist or resign for 1 year on low money for KPD depth only
Ivan Soldo - resign on lowish money
Jason Castagna - trade or resign on lowish money
Kamdyn McIntosh - resign on lowish money
Liam Baker - priority resigning
Mabior Chol - delist
Patrick Naish - delist
Ryan Garthwaite - delist
Sydney Stack - priority resigning
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Bachar Houli - delist
Callum-Coleman Jones - resign
Daniel Rioli - resign
David Astbury - delist or resign for 1 year on low money for KPD depth only
Ivan Soldo - resign on lowish money
Jason Castagna - trade or resign on lowish money
Kamdyn McIntosh - resign on lowish money
Liam Baker - priority resigning
Mabior Chol - delist
Patrick Naish - delist
Ryan Garthwaite - delist
Sydney Stack - priority resigning
agree with most. Add garthwait to the list.
he is average.
If someone like naish gets another year at the expense of someone like CCJ then the club should be held to account by the media, and rightly so.
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Bachar Houli - delist
Callum-Coleman Jones - resign
Daniel Rioli - resign
David Astbury - delist or resign for 1 year on low money for KPD depth only
Ivan Soldo - resign on lowish money
Jason Castagna - trade or resign on lowish money
Kamdyn McIntosh - resign on lowish money
Liam Baker - priority resigning
Mabior Chol - delist
Patrick Naish - delist
Ryan Garthwaite - delist
Sydney Stack - priority resigning
Cumberland is uncontracted so he might be delisted as well.
Aarts and Eggy delisted as rookies.
Caddy and Ross are contracted but if they can't get a senior game in a side that has won just 2 of its last 9 games then they may be traded or they themselves may be looking for a trade to get more gametime elsewhere.
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I'd keep Cumberland for a year.
Aarts and Egg > delist.
Caddy trade.
Ross trade or put on 5kg and play inside for a year, then delist if he's still crap.
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reckon you could make a strong case for 15 to go
Houli retire. With Stack, Mansell, Rioli, along with Vlastuin and Broad. there just is no longer a need for his services. Playing him will stall the development of players.
DES delist. Another HBF with Rioli going back there he has lost any chance of getting a game. is not required we have too many hbf as it is.would look to find another mid for his spot on the list.
Short trade. reckon he has had a very poor season and for mine he is just too outside and soft. Again im asking is he needed with the list of players already mentioned at hb.Would probably get us a good pick. His kicking is so over rated.
Castagna delist. i say delist because i just can not see any other club wanting such a poorly skilled player.
Aarts delist. hes a good vfl player but an ordinary Afl player.
Naish delist. As soft as they come.
Garthwaite delist. For me he is not KPD size and does not have the attributes to play third tall like Broad or Grimes.
Chol trade/delist. CCJ, Colina, Ryan,Soldo, Nankervis all say hello. Let him go and tease some other club.
Caddy trade/delist. We cant find a spot for him now but he may offer something to another club.Has always been a failure to me because we wanted a big inside player and never got it having to find other roles for him to perform.
Edwards retire. Some won't like this but he more than any of our seniors looks shot.We really need to get games into some of our young mids and keeping 33 yr olds means we fail to get those games into them. Perhaps he could be retained to play as a small fwd.
Others im asking questions about
McIntosh his skills leave so much to be desired and quite frankly im sick of the constant fumbling that seems to inflict him for periods.How hard would it be to find a hard running winger with better skills. Our over all skills are a problem that needs addressing.
Parker Skills again he has a dip but there is more to the game than having a dip. our skills are a problem and we need to find better to improve.
Miller if we could not give him a game this year then im asking when ??
RCD We have been mostly belted all year at clearances and contested ball im still not sure he is the real deal.
Martyn. Like collier dawkins we needed inside mids and they just have not seen fit to play him you have to wonder if they think he is not good enough they clearly think hes not ready.
Reckon we dont have a say in keeping Astbury. Go out and get another KPD and take a quality one in the draft keeping Astbury for cover for now.
Riewoldt well its a similar situation to Astbury keep him for depth or even third tall but we must target a few genuine key forwards preferably a mature one thru f/a and a quality young one in the draft.
The other serious need is for a high quality inside/out bigger bodied mid or two. Definately could do with a beast who feeds it out to the likes of Martin and Bolton.
Thats it reckon this year we could cut 7 or 8 go hard in the draft and try to address some needs with f/a or cheap trades.Reckon we need to start looking at getting games into the likely kids and it may come at the expense of a few of the older players.
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I'd keep Cumberland for a year.
Aarts and Egg > delist.
Caddy trade.
Ross trade or put on 5kg and play inside for a year, then delist if he's still crap.
It will depend on how many draft selections we will use. Should players around the mark with our 5th selection be considered better prospects than Cumberland, it's see ya later.
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Think Parker will go round for a while like Petterd, Brad miller etc. We tend to hang onto poorly skilled players who have played for other clubs. Really unsure why.
Having said that his form hasn't been bad. He's just got atrocious skills and it stands out the more we slide, same with Castagna and Aarts. Can carry them when we are flying but stuff they look bad when the entire club is battling
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TIGERS TIPPED TO TRADE EARLY PICK FOR READY-MADE PLAYER
North Melbourne great David King believes Richmond will trade away one if its early picks in this year’s draft for a ready-made player.
Friday night’s defeat to the Giants marked Richmond’s seventh loss from its last nine games, with the reigning back-to-back premiers now on the verge of missing finals.
But armed with a healthy draft hand including two first-round picks and two second rounders, the Tigers can reload with young talent and use their currency to target rival players.
“They’ll have some off-season acquisitions that will be of quality,” King said on Fox Footy’s Saturday Countdown.
“I think they’ll trade one of them (their picks).”
Hawthorn legend Dermott Brereton believes Richmond can “bounce” next year if they recruit experienced players in the off-season to provide a spark.
“(They’ll need to recruit) Somebody who’s good to go straight away who can give them some energising some way,” he said.
Richmond is one of several clubs that have been linked to Fremantle young gun Adam Cerra. But foxfooty.com.au senior reporter Tom Morris revealed that Cerra’s decision is now down to two clubs: the Dockers and Blues – thus ruling out the Tigers.
In what rules as a key off-season, Richmond have several players coming out of contract including Bachar Houli, Callum-Coleman Jones, Daniel Rioli, David Astbury, Ivan Soldo, Jason Castagna, Kamdyn McIntosh, Liam Baker, Mabior Chol, Patrick Naish, Ryan Garthwaite and Sydney Stack.
Both King and Brereton expect the Tigers to move on Houli to open up opportunities for younger players.
“They’ll allow some of these kids to take that role,” King said.
Amid a widespread of injuries to key players, King added that he doesn’t think Richmond’s struggles in 2021 have been purely personnel related and believes they can bounce back in 2022 if Damien Hardwick tinkers with their game plan.
“They‘re going to have to look at the way they play, because teams now know that if you do X, Y and Z against them that there’s a mode to beating them now,” the dual premiership Kangaroo said.
“So the challenge now is for Damien to reinvent (them).”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-round-22-analysis-talking-points-reaction-ladder-top-stories-tasmania-expansion-myth-alastair-clarkson-finals/news-story/f55d57033f3e78a1e0e42c585e127ac7
Unless it's Tom Green or Sam Taylor - NO trading early picks...so basically no trading early picks... :shh
Free Agents: The only one I'm still interested in (mildly) would be Billings but he's hardly going to address our clearance issues...Dunstan would but he's disposal & forward delivery is even worse than Parker's, so while he might help fix one issue he'd only exacerbate others..plus he's slow as treacle and basically just a slightly better version of Matt Thomas....if we're thinking about Mitchell -which I hope we aren't than surely Mitch Wallis would be a just as good but cheaper option, but again - too old...as for Talia...would be like replacing Astbury with...Astbury... better off just grabbing Freeman , Josh Green & Schlesong from the state leagues.....Cowley from our academy...maybe rookie Lambert's kid... :shh :shh
EDIT: Though some of those Swans players that are supposedly "getable" sure are tempting...Stephenson, Florent, Dawson, Hewitt... :shh :shh :shh
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The value of draft picks is overrated IMO.
So many top picks end up being busts.
As long as they’re relatively young, I’d be happy to use our top picks on proven quality like Taranto or Cerra.
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The value of draft picks is overrated IMO.
So many top picks end up being busts.
As long as they’re relatively young, I’d be happy to use our top picks on proven quality like Taranto or Cerra.
Agreed, unless you have a top 5 pick I reckon.
And all clubs know it which is why guys like Kelly and Cameron have required huge picks.
If we need to deal with GWS I would want Green included and would be prepared to part ways with all of our top 4 picks + a steak knife like CCJ. Yep you read that correctly.
Either that or keep 8 but trade the next 5 picks for another early pick or two.
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disagree all of our best players came mostly inside the top 20 but top 5 guarantees nothing unless you do due diligence.
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disagree all of our best players came mostly inside the top 20 but top 5 guarantees nothing unless you do due diligence.
You said it comes down to how good the recruitment team have worked and studied the players even with covid.I actually think we nail our later picks better.
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Port did an excellent job getting some young blood in 2018.
Unless we can negotiate for Tom Green then i would go the draft and hopefully the recruiters can pick wisely.
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Must get - Tom Green (GWS)
Would be handy - Matthew Kennedy (Cheats)
Players out of contract:
Bachar Houli - retire
Ben Miller - keep
Bigoa Nyuon - keep
Callum Coleman-Jones - keep (unless the offer is to good to be true)
Daniel Rioli - keep
David Astbury - retire
Derek Eggmolesse-Smith - delist - soft
Hugo Ralphsmith - keep if he gets a haircut
Ivan Soldo - keep - can’t believe I want him to stay.
Jason Castagna - trade :pray :pray :pray
Kamdyn Mcintosh - trade - unless it effects team connection
Liam Baker - keep
Mabior Chol - trade - no tank no ticker no footybrain
Noah Cumberland - delist
Patrick Naish - trade or delist soft
Rhyan Mansell - keep
Ryan Garthwaite - delist stupid kicking style
Sydney Stack - keep
Thomson Dow - trade to the cheats for Kennedy
Will Martyn - delist looks soft
Anyone is tradable on this list
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Jack Riewoldt believes a tighter than usual salary cap has led teams to make some tough calls on veteran players.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-360/salary-cap-squeeze-impacting-decisions!808281
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Is Tom Green really that good??
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reckon you could make a strong case for 15 to go
Houli retire. With Stack, Mansell, Rioli, along with Vlastuin and Broad. there just is no longer a need for his services. Playing him will stall the development of players.
DES delist. Another HBF with Rioli going back there he has lost any chance of getting a game. is not required we have too many hbf as it is.would look to find another mid for his spot on the list.
Short trade. reckon he has had a very poor season and for mine he is just too outside and soft. Again im asking is he needed with the list of players already mentioned at hb.Would probably get us a good pick. His kicking is so over rated.
Castagna delist. i say delist because i just can not see any other club wanting such a poorly skilled player.
Aarts delist. hes a good vfl player but an ordinary Afl player.
Naish delist. As soft as they come.
Garthwaite delist. For me he is not KPD size and does not have the attributes to play third tall like Broad or Grimes.
Chol trade/delist. CCJ, Colina, Ryan,Soldo, Nankervis all say hello. Let him go and tease some other club.
Caddy trade/delist. We cant find a spot for him now but he may offer something to another club.Has always been a failure to me because we wanted a big inside player and never got it having to find other roles for him to perform.
Edwards retire. Some won't like this but he more than any of our seniors looks shot.We really need to get games into some of our young mids and keeping 33 yr olds means we fail to get those games into them. Perhaps he could be retained to play as a small fwd.
Others im asking questions about
McIntosh his skills leave so much to be desired and quite frankly im sick of the constant fumbling that seems to inflict him for periods.How hard would it be to find a hard running winger with better skills. Our over all skills are a problem that needs addressing.
Parker Skills again he has a dip but there is more to the game than having a dip. our skills are a problem and we need to find better to improve.
Miller if we could not give him a game this year then im asking when ??
RCD We have been mostly belted all year at clearances and contested ball im still not sure he is the real deal.
Martyn. Like collier dawkins we needed inside mids and they just have not seen fit to play him you have to wonder if they think he is not good enough they clearly think hes not ready.
Reckon we dont have a say in keeping Astbury. Go out and get another KPD and take a quality one in the draft keeping Astbury for cover for now.
Riewoldt well its a similar situation to Astbury keep him for depth or even third tall but we must target a few genuine key forwards preferably a mature one thru f/a and a quality young one in the draft.
The other serious need is for a high quality inside/out bigger bodied mid or two. Definately could do with a beast who feeds it out to the likes of Martin and Bolton.
Thats it reckon this year we could cut 7 or 8 go hard in the draft and try to address some needs with f/a or cheap trades.Reckon we need to start looking at getting games into the likely kids and it may come at the expense of a few of the older players.
You oughta change you moniker to The Knife not The Claw. Thats pretty brutal.
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disagree all of our best players came mostly inside the top 20 but top 5 guarantees nothing unless you do due diligence.
I concur but my threshold is 40. Any pick under 40 is live for me. If your astute you can get a Paul Chapman at 31 or Shai Bolton at 29. These are pure A graders but they take time to develop.
I used to think it was all drafting but now I'm 50:50 draft v development.
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Jon Ralph on AFL Tonight:
D.Rioli - will stay at Richmond on a one-year year according to manager Ralph Carr. He's really happy but just wants to access his options past 2022. The contract isn't massive so if he has an All-Australian year in 2022 then he'll be richly rewarded (in the next contract).
Chol - wants more opportunities. Another Ralph Carr client. Not sure the other Melbourne clubs aren't knocking down the door. He does want to stay in Melbourne.
Stack - talks to start between his manager Paul Peos and Blair Hartley.
Watch here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/blues-pies-and-tigers-trade-whispers!808709
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Jon Ralph on AFL Tonight:
D.Rioli - will stay at Richmond on a one-year year according to manager Ralph Carr. He's really happy but just wants to access his options past 2022. The contract isn't massive so if he has an All-Australian year in 2022 then he'll be richly rewarded (in the next contract).
Chol - wants more opportunities. Another Ralph Carr client. Not sure the other Melbourne clubs aren't knocking down the door. He does want to stay in Melbourne.
Stack - talks to start between his manager Paul Peos and Blair Hartley.
Watch here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/blues-pies-and-tigers-trade-whispers!808709
Happy with this update. Stack to get 2-3 years with conditions.
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Jon Ralph on AFL Tonight:
D.Rioli - will stay at Richmond on a one-year year according to manager Ralph Carr. He's really happy but just wants to access his options past 2022. The contract isn't massive so if he has an All-Australian year in 2022 then he'll be richly rewarded (in the next contract).
Chol - wants more opportunities. Another Ralph Carr client. Not sure the other Melbourne clubs aren't knocking down the door. He does want to stay in Melbourne.
Stack - talks to start between his manager Paul Peos and Blair Hartley.
Watch here: https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/blues-pies-and-tigers-trade-whispers!808709
Happy with this update. Stack to get 2-3 years with conditions.
Very much doubt he’s getting a 3 year deal. I’d say 2 max but wouldn’t be surprised if it was just the 1 year extension.
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Very much doubt he’s getting a 3 year deal. I’d say 2 max but wouldn’t be surprised if it was just the 1 year extension.
Absolutely. Club would be mad to do 3.
Should be 1 with triggers for 2nd re: fitness and games played etc.
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Just on those who don’t rate top draft picks:-
Exhibit A - Cotchin, Jack, Dusty, Vlas, Rance
Exhibit B - Hawks in 2004
Exhibit C - Hawks recruiting since 2016
Not against the odd draft sacrifice of a pick here or there but fundamental to list management is picking the right kids and backing your development
If we want to delist 15 players, how do you propose we replace them?
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Blokes I would be moving on below. Keep the rest.
Bachar Houli - ret
David Astbury - ret
Mabior Chol - delist
Patrick Naish - delist
Ryan Garthwaite - delist
Jake Aarts - delist
DES - delist
Josh Caddy - trade if we can offload his contract
That's 8 spots.
We have 6 draft picks worth using and a couple of blokes worth elevating to the senior list (Mansell and Stack IMO).
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Blokes I would be moving on below. Keep the rest.
Bachar Houli - ret
David Astbury - ret
Mabior Chol - delist
Patrick Naish - delist
Ryan Garthwaite - delist
Jake Aarts - delist
DES - delist
Josh Caddy - trade if we can offload his contract
That's 8 spots.
We have 6 draft picks worth using and a couple of blokes worth elevating to the senior list (Mansell and Stack IMO).
100% on all of them. They all have to go
I think thats plenty and each one of those 5 have shown little to be rewarded another contract.
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I think we should keep Garthwaite. He is still maturing and has gone ok IMHO
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Aarts contracted next season so won’t be delisted.
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Don't forget that Soldo's coming off the LTI list so that'll be another spot taken... :shh
...Naish might be saved due to the possible arrival of brother Charlie at the end of next year....depends on how highly we rate Charlie(early reports said he looks the best of the brothers but haven't heard much about him lately)... :shh :shh
...and then there's the possibility we might want to look at another SSP pick....and keep a spot free for the MSD as well.... :shh :shh :shh
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Aarts contracted next season so won’t be delisted.
FHO whatever it takes. Trade him for anything.
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Don't forget that Soldo's coming off the LTI list so that'll be another spot taken... :shh
...Naish might be saved due to the possible arrival of brother Charlie at the end of next year....depends on how highly we rate Charlie(early reports said he looks the best of the brothers but haven't heard much about him lately)... :shh :shh
...and then there's the possibility we might want to look at another SSP pick....and keep a spot free for the MSD as well.... :shh :shh :shh
Forgot about Soldo, cheers.
I don't know enough about Charlie but even if Pat was de-listed don't you think he'd want to play for his dad's team? Not our fault Pat sucks.
And I also think keeping a spot for MSD is a good idea. We just need to pick the right person that our team needs at the time. I reckon we should have taken that Schlenslog or whatever. We needed KPD this year. Or an inside mid like Freeman.
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Blood's thicker than water.....but yes the club shouldn't just keep him for that reason even if Charlie ends up being a top 10 prospect....would then just have to hope Patrick and his family are big enough to accept the decision and don't become resentful if he is indeed delisted... :shh
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took Freeman either as a rookie or as the SSP...think Hardwick rates him judging by his comments a few months ago...,Schlenslog late pick ...I've seen him rated as high as the low 20's in a few phantom drafts not that they mean anything..,,doubt an 21 yo previously delisted player that no-one took in the MSD when they had the chance would go that high if at all.....still like Josh Green...reckon he could at worst become a handy Tomlinson type and at best a home brand version of his brother...and one thing he looks like he can do is take a mark... :shh :shh
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Naish officially delisted.
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Naish officially delisted.
So we're down 3
Houli
Astbury and
Naish
We have 6 picks so really only three more to go. I bet they are asking older players if they are going around again before they drop anyone else.
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Parker should go to waste if pick plenty better then.him tin the state leagues.Offering contracts to Aarts , George a mistake for me.
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Naish officially delisted.
Welp there's our answer...wonder if we'll rookie him? Hope not.... :shh
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The son of popular 161-game forward Chris Naish was delisted alongside Derek Eggmolesse Smith, who won the last spot on the list.
Sydney Stack and Daniel Rioli will soon sign new deals while rivals believe Callum Coleman-Jones is more likely to stay despite outside interest including Gold Coast.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-follow-the-latest-player-movement-information-about-your-club/news-story/4a783b98d849c451c2c906bd03178c63
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Pickett Parker Garthwaite wouldnt lose any sleep if they get delisted too
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Garthwaite in real danger of being delisted.
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Naish officially delisted.
So we're down 3
Houli
Astbury and
Naish
We have 6 picks so really only three more to go. I bet they are asking older players if they are going around again before they drop anyone else.
Garthwaite makes it 4 but we only have 3 open spots. Parker came on as Soldo was moved off the list. Soldo now comes back into the player count. If we want to keep Parker we need to cut someone else.
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Id cut parker and pickett.
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parker expected to re-sign, according to this
https://www.afl.com.au/news/670602/the-arch-rival-circling-tigers-tall-st-kilda-swingman-testing-waters
what is going on with caddy ... and why did we re-sign castagna?
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The strategy must be to have enough players to delist next year as well...though that wouldn't explain Cantkickit getting another two.... :help
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The son of popular 161-game forward Chris Naish was delisted alongside Derek Eggmolesse Smith, who won the last spot on the list.
Sydney Stack and Daniel Rioli will soon sign new deals while rivals believe Callum Coleman-Jones is more likely to stay despite outside interest including Gold Coast.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-follow-the-latest-player-movement-information-about-your-club/news-story/4a783b98d849c451c2c906bd03178c63
So does that mean both Naish and Des have been delisted.
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Reckon the obvious should have been something like this. With re signings it cant happen but imo it is something we should be aiming at. No room for sentimentality we need to improve, evolve and look seriously at list improvement and where the least cover is.
Retire - Houli, Astbury
RF/A - Chol. Dont need with CC-J and Ryan on the list as potential ruck/fwds.
Trade - J Short. Again not one of my favorites. with Stack, Mansell, Rioli all small defenders along with Vlastuin a medium its an area we can afford to offload a player. If the right offer came i would do this in a heart beat.
Retire - Houli, Astbury. Not sure these two will be the only vets that hang up the boots this year either.
Delistings - The so obvious ones should come from Naish, DE-S, Castagna, Aarts, Garthwaite, Caddy, McIntosh Parker. This we know won't happen as a few have been re signed Parker McIntosh Castagna. This group contains possibly our most outside and least skilled players and all of them have been around the afl system long enough to make a call on.
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Let’s assume we delist/retire/trade those 14 players you’ve suggested. How would you propose we replace them?
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Let’s assume we delist/retire/trade those 14 players you’ve suggested. How would you propose we replace them?
Gotta admit i have not given it much thought. Just commenting on who i think the weakest links are. I havent even looked at who is contracted until a few minutes ago.
Having just looked at the contracts board a few minutes ago it is impossible to do too much without trading out contracted players.
It actually leads me to think that we will do some sort of deal to trade up into the draft with mid range picks. Someone mentioned WB first rounder for three picks in the 40's.
So instead of you trying to set me up with a dumb 14 in one go question heres what i think will happen with contracted players in mind.
Out of contract rookie list
Stack, Mansell, Miller, Parker, Colina, Des. It seems from club comments the first 4 the club definately want to keep and i would say they would not be giving up on Collina after one year either.
We will probably have to do enough to promote Stack and possibly Mansell from the rookie list and we will attempt to trade into some better picks like the WB scenario.
Out of contract list proper.
Houli , Astbury Naish. These three are already gone it leaves Chol , Garthwaite , Cumberland , Riewoldt, CC-J,
D Rioli, Nyuon.
We lose Houli ret, Astbury ret Naish del, Chol r/fa, Garthwaite del and possibly Cumberland. With rookie promotions we will probably only use the four nd picks
Looking at this id say we need to let Chol go and if we really want to participate heavily in this draft then we need to trade a few out and possibly retire someone like JR.
They Have already stated they want to give JR another season, they want to keep CC-J and D Rioli. There isnt really a whole lot of room to move.
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Naish officially delisted.
So we're down 3
Houli
Astbury and
Naish
We have 6 picks so really only three more to go. I bet they are asking older players if they are going around again before they drop anyone else.
Garthwaite makes it 4 but we only have 3 open spots. Parker came on as Soldo was moved off the list. Soldo now comes back into the player count. If we want to keep Parker we need to cut someone else.
Isn't Parker an actual rookie who went onto the list proper when we made Soldo a lti. Now that Soldo is back and the season is over Parker automatically goes back to the rookie list.
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parker expected to re-sign, according to this
https://www.afl.com.au/news/670602/the-arch-rival-circling-tigers-tall-st-kilda-swingman-testing-waters
what is going on with caddy ... and why did we re-sign castagna?
Great questions.
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Looking at the list holes and retirements delistings this is what i would like to see.
Houli - replace with 185cm plus hard running medium hbf. REASON we only have One medium sized defender on the list in Vlastuin.We replace a smallish defender with a needed bigger medium
Chol - replace with Genuine PURE KPF. Reason we only have TL and JR on the list who are Genuine pure KPF.
Astbury - replace with Mature kpd. Reason we only have one big PROVEN kpd left on the list in Balta and hes still a kid. While hoping for the best that Miller and Nyuon can make it i have the worst case scenario in mind that they dont. Also we have to ask about cover for injury in the short term.
Garthwaite - Replace with genuine sized quality young KPD. Reason we dont have a quality pick in this area. Miller and Nyuon were both taken very late and you have to ask about the odds of them making it and what quality they will be if they do make it.
Naish - replace with medium 185cm plus skilled hard running mid with good delivery. Reason We only have one tallish or rangy running mid with good skills in Hugo. here im looking to replace McIntosh or upgrade on him.
Castagna - Replace with Big contested ball winning mid. Reason we dont need more small fwds especially ones who cannot kick.
Aarts - Replace with a clearance mid. Reason see Castagna if we want another pure small fwd then lets get one who offers a more rounded game than these two. Lets be honest here we do need to improve our contested inside ball and clearances. especially whith the few good ones we have getting old.
DE-S - Replace with a tall fwd/utility. Reason we dont need another small hbf on the list we have enough and it gives us an opportunity to put maybe a tallish fwd on the list which we have few of.
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Looking at the list holes and retirements delistings this is what i would like to see.
Houli - replace with 185cm plus hard running medium hbf. REASON we only have One medium sized defender on the list in Vlastuin.We replace a smallish defender with a needed bigger medium
Chol - replace with Genuine PURE KPF. Reason we only have TL and JR on the list who are Genuine pure KPF.
Astbury - replace with Mature kpd. Reason we only have one big PROVEN kpd left on the list in Balta and hes still a kid. While hoping for the best that Miller and Nyuon can make it i have the worst case scenario in mind that they dont. Also we have to ask about cover for injury in the short term.
Garthwaite - Replace with genuine sized quality young KPD. Reason we dont have a quality pick in this area. Miller and Nyuon were both taken very late and you have to ask about the odds of them making it and what quality they will be if they do make it.
Naish - replace with medium 185cm plus skilled hard running mid with good delivery. Reason We only have one tallish or rangy running mid with good skills in Hugo. here im looking to replace McIntosh or upgrade on him.
Castagna - Replace with Big contested ball winning mid. Reason we dont need more small fwds especially ones who cannot kick.
Aarts - Replace with a clearance mid. Reason see Castagna if we want another pure small fwd then lets get one who offers a more rounded game than these two. Lets be honest here we do need to improve our contested inside ball and clearances. especially whith the few good ones we have getting old.
DE-S - Replace with a tall fwd/utility. Reason we dont need another small hbf on the list we have enough and it gives us an opportunity to put maybe a tallish fwd on the list which we have few of.
What? Just send that wish list to Santa & see if the magical elves can knock together a few champion players for you!
Most of the draft pool are raw kids so why not go through the pool & pick the best available like everybody else?
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It's quite possible we have the best rookie list in the competition at the moment. Very serviceable.
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Those who remain unsigned:
Chol, Coleman-Jones, Cumberland, Garthwaite, Nyuon.
Rookies: Ben Miller, Sydney Stack, Matt Parker.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=30409.msg683331#msg683331
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Chol?
Chol is out of contract. He's an unrestricted free agent if he doesn't re-sign.
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AFL LIST OF FREE AGENTS (As of September 14, 2021)
Unrestricted:
Key: * Previously delisted,
^ Previously qualified as Free Agent,
- Delisted or announced retirement
Richmond
Davis Astbury-
Bachar Houli-
Mabior Chol*
Derek Eggmolesse-Smith*
Matthew Parker*
Benjamin Miller*
Astbury and Houli have both hung up the boots, while Chol could move clubs for more senior opportunities, with Gold Coast, North Melbourne and Essendon all reportedly keen.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/st-kilda-saints/afl-news-2021-jack-billings-resigned-new-deal-with-st-kilda-saints-four-years-list-of-free-agents/news-story/b694eb8a280de0a54dc371f254a6a73b
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screenshot-2021-09-16-133721-png.1237325/)
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screenshot-2021-09-16-133744-png.1237326/)
Rankings: Home & Away Season
Contested Possession Differential: 16th
Uncontested Possession Differential: 14th
Inside 50 Differential: 8th
Scoring Shots Per Inside 50: 12th
Scoring Shots Per Inside 50 Conceded: 13th
https://theshinboner.com/2021/09/16/2021-every-afl-club-by-club-list-management-tools-contracts-demographics-minutes-played-changes-analysis-shinboner/
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Looking at the list holes and retirements delistings this is what i would like to see.
Houli - replace with 185cm plus hard running medium hbf. REASON we only have One medium sized defender on the list in Vlastuin.We replace a smallish defender with a needed bigger medium
Chol - replace with Genuine PURE KPF. Reason we only have TL and JR on the list who are Genuine pure KPF.
Astbury - replace with Mature kpd. Reason we only have one big PROVEN kpd left on the list in Balta and hes still a kid. While hoping for the best that Miller and Nyuon can make it i have the worst case scenario in mind that they dont. Also we have to ask about cover for injury in the short term.
Garthwaite - Replace with genuine sized quality young KPD. Reason we dont have a quality pick in this area. Miller and Nyuon were both taken very late and you have to ask about the odds of them making it and what quality they will be if they do make it.
Naish - replace with medium 185cm plus skilled hard running mid with good delivery. Reason We only have one tallish or rangy running mid with good skills in Hugo. here im looking to replace McIntosh or upgrade on him.
Castagna - Replace with Big contested ball winning mid. Reason we dont need more small fwds especially ones who cannot kick.
Aarts - Replace with a clearance mid. Reason see Castagna if we want another pure small fwd then lets get one who offers a more rounded game than these two. Lets be honest here we do need to improve our contested inside ball and clearances. especially whith the few good ones we have getting old.
DE-S - Replace with a tall fwd/utility. Reason we dont need another small hbf on the list we have enough and it gives us an opportunity to put maybe a tallish fwd on the list which we have few of.
What? Just send that wish list to Santa & see if the magical elves can knock together a few champion players for you!
Most of the draft pool are raw kids so why not go through the pool & pick the best available like everybody else?
it is not that hard mate with the hand we have.Whats your problem anyway arent we allowed to wish our real needs can be covered.
How about something like this.
PICK 9 one of Ward, Erasmus, Rachelle one will be there at least and they would be best available. And fill a real need.
Pick 15 Amiss, Van-rooyen. Both key forwards probably the best two in the draft and a good chance one may slip to us.both in the mix as best available. Both would fill a real need to boot.
Pick 20 from CC-J trade. Johnson, Chesser both big mids and a decent chance one will still be there. There will be other very good mids available here. one of those two would probably be close to best available at this pick. Again a real need filled. but hey just a little too much wishful thinking for you here id say.
Pick 26 Bazzo a chance to be here 2nd best kpd in the draft. and well and truly in the mix as best available. if gone still take best available with 26 and look for a young kpd later. The other real need filled.
Pick 28 to be used on the best 185cm plus rebounding hbf available and there will be good running players available here.
44 Schlensog 200cm utility probably a reach but i like young proven state league players thats assuming Bazzo was gone.
Still leaves pick 40 and possibly 44 and whatever we get for Chol in compensation.
DFA Daniel Talia.
That just about rules sending anything off to santa and the elves wont be so busy.
Would be tempted to take Amiss at 9 because very good mids would will still be available at 15 20.At what point in time do you propose we go about finding a KPF to replace JR. when he's retired i suppose.
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Why would norf give us 20? They dont have to give us anything.
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Why would norf give us 20? They dont have to give us anything.
They simply will not.
I think we will be lucky to get 38.
They will tell us to take 38 or 69 whatever crap, or gagf.
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Not sure on that I think pick 20 will get.
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I believe we will get fair compensation from North (if he goes). Clubs generally try to work together (maybe not Essendon) to make the trade a win-win. If North burn us with this, then they can guarantee that we will never help them with any future trades. One day the shoe will be on the other foot and all clubs bar Essendon know that.
Pick 20 for a young tall with a few years development is better than anything North could get with that pick.
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If thats what they do we should delist him and make them take him in the national draft.
Why would norf give us 20? They dont have to give us anything.
They simply will not.
I think we will be lucky to get 38.
They will tell us to take 38 or 69 whatever crap, or gagf.
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What's Sam Weideman like?
Is he genuinely crap or would people be interested if we could get him in a trade for say pick 40? Dees fans don't think he's worth much, maybe like how we shed some depth players over the years, and might let him go for a 3rd.
With CCJ + Chol leaving, Jack getting on, and our only other option likely to be the draft...would it be worth taking a look?
If we trade 3 picks to WB for 17, a 3rd rounder to Dees for Weideman, pick up Talia DFA, draft a guy like Schlensog hopefully around 38 (hoping North trade this to is for CJ).
We could go ahead with:
7
15
17
28
Talia (DFA)
Weideman (?40)
Schlensog (?38)
At the expense of:
CCJ (?38)
Chol (?50ish)
26 (WB)
40 (WB)
44 (WB)
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Weideman would be decent depth at least I reckon.
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Weideman is very average imo - avoid
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how about something like this.
Delist - Garthwaite, Parker, Naish, DE-S. Parkers skills leave too much to be desired and Garth is not good enough.
Trade - CC-J, Caddy. Well CC-J is gone and i see no need to keep a 29yo who we don't play and has no role.
Retire - Houli, Astbury. Gonski.
RF/A - Chol. Gonski.
Before trades and pick swaps it stands like this.
IN - Talia or Tarrant DF/A. 7, 15, 26, 28, 40, 44, Chol comp around 45, CC-J pick hopefully 20 could be 38 . Hopefully a pick for Caddy 50 plus as we help him to another club.
Draft needs are pretty clear imo.
Bigger mids who win ball and are good clearance players.
KPF - Theres only 33 yo JR and 29yo Lynch.
KPD - The reality Balta is the only proven big KPD that we have and what we do have in reserve look underwhelming or still a long way to go.
Medium HB - We have just one medium defender on the list in Vlastuin a bigger bodied replacement for Houli is ideal imo.
Dont claim to be up to speed on the ND but going by what i can get my hands on best available and needs these are about the mark.
7/ Ward, Erasmus. I like Neil Erasmus.
15/ Van Rooyen, Amiss. Both key forwards and both around the mark. I think Amiss will go a bit earlier.
20/ CC-J Compensation yep im hopeful we can get this pick. Chesser, Johnson both good sized mids. May be a stretch to get em.
26/ Bazzo 195cm kpd.
I think Erasmus, Van Rooyen, Chesser Bazzo would be ideal. Would also be looking at a Bloke like Schenslog a 200cm utility later in the draft if still there..
That would still leave Picks 26 28 40 44, Chol comp, Caddy pick..
How do we ensure we get pick 20 from NM. How about CC-J and pick 44 to Nm for 20 or C-J and a future pick.
How do we prise Wb first from them. How about 28, 40, Chol comp, would put us in the ball park.
Just a lot of wishful thinking i suppose.
A haul of 7, 15, 17, 20, 26,plus Caddy pick late. looks great on paper.
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I can’t see why we wouldn’t get 20 for Coleman Jones , we can match the offer can’t we, we may have a bit left over with the retirements and trades
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I can’t see why we wouldn’t get 20 for Coleman Jones , we can match the offer can’t we, we may have a bit left over with the retirements and trades
We aren't going to give him 4 years at $450k.
They won't give us 20.
We will take what's offered or he walks
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How do you know, if North pay it then that’s his market price. You probably haven’t worked it out but if the perception is that we will match the offer then fair negotiations will take place instead of the fire sale your proposing .
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CCJ is not a restricted free agent therefore we dont get to match the offer.
He is uncontracted so must be traded or go into the pre season draft.
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Ok, we can still improve the offer because I suspect he will walk for nothing otherwise.
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How do you know, if North pay it then that’s his market price. You probably haven’t worked it out but if the perception is that we will match the offer then fair negotiations will take place instead of the fire sale your proposing .
What are you on about? He's ooc and wants to ruck yet is behind Nank and Soldo. As a forward he is behind Lynch and Jack.
North is offering him games and more money than we can afford.
We either take what were given, try to sweeten the deal (eg CCJ +:44 for 20) or he walks to PSD where they have pick #1.
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How do you know, if North pay it then that’s his market price. You probably haven’t worked it out but if the perception is that we will match the offer then fair negotiations will take place instead of the fire sale your proposing .
What are you on about? He's ooc and wants to ruck yet is behind Nank and Soldo. As a forward he is behind Lynch and Jack.
North is offering him games and more money than we can afford.
We either take what were given, try to sweeten the deal (eg CCJ +:44 for 20) or he walks to PSD where they have pick #1.
Currently, CCJ is our 2nd ruck. He is the current custodian of that position. Yes Soldo is due back next year but everyone is assuming Ivan will be right to go round 1. I don't hold that view based solely on how badly his knee injury was.
CCJ is taking the easy way out. Like Higgins did.
He could do what a few other blokes did and that's fight to keep his spot of fight to make it impossible form them to not select him. But no he's decided not to back himself rather just take the money and run.
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Nothing you would understand , are you a visiting North supporter or maybe a Big Footy star as I don’t believe we have the pleasure of your wisdom before.
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Agree he was also imho equal to Lynch in the forward line when he played this year. I am disappointed as I see the potential in this bloke . I think North will trade with with us only if they think we can try to convince him to stay or they would like to keep that pick for best un contracted player that falls otherwise we will lose him for nothing.
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What's Sam Weideman like?
Is he genuinely crap or would people be interested if we could get him in a trade for say pick 40? Dees fans don't think he's worth much, maybe like how we shed some depth players over the years, and might let him go for a 3rd.
With CCJ + Chol leaving, Jack getting on, and our only other option likely to be the draft...would it be worth taking a look?
If we trade 3 picks to WB for 17, a 3rd rounder to Dees for Weideman, pick up Talia DFA, draft a guy like Schlensog hopefully around 38 (hoping North trade this to is for CJ).
We could go ahead with:
7
15
17
28
Talia (DFA)
Weideman (?40)
Schlensog (?38)
At the expense of:
CCJ (?38)
Chol (?50ish)
26 (WB)
40 (WB)
44 (WB)
Bloke on b/f worked out roughly that Chol would bring pick 39 40 as compo.
Picks
7,15, 17, 26, 38, 39 and Tarrant would be great. Also like the idea of Schlensog with one of our later picks.
Out 28, 40, 44 for pick 17. Chol for 39 CCJ for 38.
Would also be looking hard to failitate a trade for Caddy.
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After today's delistings, we now have 29 senior listed players and 7 rookies.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=31456.msg709302#msg709302
Current rookies: Aarts, Mansell, Miller, Parker, Pickett, Stack plus cat. B Mate Colina
Given both Biggie and Cumberland are to be redrafted as rookies and assuming a maximum of 8 rookies, then at least one current rookie will need to be promoted to the senior list.
So which rookie gets promoted?
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Should be Stack, Pickett or Miller but will probably be Aarts, Parker or Mansell..... :shh
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After today's delistings, we now have 29 senior listed players and 7 rookies.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=31456.msg709302#msg709302
Current rookies: Aarts, Mansell, Miller, Parker, Pickett, Stack plus cat. B Mate Colina
Given both Biggie and Cumberland are to be redrafted as rookies and assuming a maximum of 8 rookies, then at least one current rookie will need to be promoted to the senior list.
So which rookie gets promoted?
Of all them Aarts is the obvious one to go closely followed by Parker but they won't do that having just reinstated him.Followed probably by Miller after 4 seasons of very little and having already been demoted to the rookie list. List management of talls imo continues to be poor imo we have kept Miller because there is little else ffs development of tall defenders has been so bad we had to go out and replace a 30 yr old with a 32 yr old because we have invested so little into the area.
If i was Sydney Stack and i was not put on the list proper then id be looking elsewhere
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If Stack can keep his nose clean it’s a no brainer imo
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Miller made his debut and didnt lose 1 contest during the match. Hes a keeper.
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We'll have 6 free spots on the main list after we upgrade a rookie to accomodate Biggie & Cumberland....
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1634284353814-png.1261163/)
:shh
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BTW - if we want to keep a free spot for a SSP (how we got Stack & Mansell) we'll have to upgrade two rookies not one.... :shh
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After today's delistings, we now have 29 senior listed players and 7 rookies.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=31456.msg709302#msg709302
Current rookies: Aarts, Mansell, Miller, Parker, Pickett, Stack plus cat. B Mate Colina
Given both Biggie and Cumberland are to be redrafted as rookies and assuming a maximum of 8 rookies, then at least one current rookie will need to be promoted to the senior list.
So which rookie gets promoted?
Of all them Aarts is the obvious one to go closely followed by Parker but they won't do that having just reinstated him.Followed probably by Miller after 4 seasons of very little and having already been demoted to the rookie list. List management of talls imo continues to be poor imo we have kept Miller because there is little else ffs development of tall defenders has been so bad we had to go out and replace a 30 yr old with a 32 yr old because we have invested so little into the area.
If i was Sydney Stack and i was not put on the list proper then id be looking elsewhere
And that would probably result in his AFL career being done. A 1 year extension with a trigger for second year if the perfect contract to be hading out to stack at this stage.
Although in saying that out of all the rookies, stack would be the 1 player I would elevate onto the main list and second isn’t even close.
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Didn’t really specify but I don’t think stack or Miller were elevated to main list. Guess that means Pickett/Aarts/Mansell will be unless someone’s got it wrong and they can all be retained on the rookie list even while adding biggie and Cumberland? Pickett is most senior but mansell is contracted for longer whatever that’s worth.
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AFL list limbo: The big decisions your club must make
AFL list bosses are making the tough calls on players as they crunch the numbers on their squads. How many spots are left?
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-state-of-play-at-your-afl-club-as-list-managers-finalise-their-squads-ahead-of-the-draft/news-story/22a5e9b7fe542e4c3e1a4646cbadc6c5
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
interesting, how to we re-rookie Naoh & Biggy ?
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
interesting, how to we re-rookie Naoh & Biggy ?
We draft them at the rookie draft
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
interesting, how to we re-rookie Naoh & Biggy ?
We draft them at the rookie draft
do we have any rookie spots open was more my point, considering we have the following rookies
2020/Rookie 46 Ben Miller
2022/Rookie 44 Sydney Stack
2022/Rookie 16 Jake Aarts
2022/Rookie 37 Matt Parker
2022/Rookie 50 Marlion Pickett
2023/Rookie 31 Rhyan Mansell
CAT B Rookie 39 Mate' Colina
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
interesting, how to we re-rookie Naoh & Biggy ?
We draft them at the rookie draft
do we have any rookie spots open was more my point, considering we have the following rookies
2020/Rookie 46 Ben Miller
2022/Rookie 44 Sydney Stack
2022/Rookie 16 Jake Aarts
2022/Rookie 37 Matt Parker
2022/Rookie 50 Marlion Pickett
2023/Rookie 31 Rhyan Mansell
CAT B Rookie 39 Mate' Colina
I thought we could have up to 8 excluding Cat B rookies?
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Hi all, this is my first post after many years as a guest reader. Hope I don't make a fool of myself.
My understanding is that the maximum list size for 2022 will be 44 players including up to two on the Rookie B list. Specifically, the primary list must have between 36 and 38 players. Category A rookies are capped at 4-6, up to a total of 42 players on a list including primary-listed players and category A rookies. (Add two category B rookies makes the maximum of 44 players). We only have one Rookie B listed player (Colina) so our maximum for 2022 will be 43 players (unless we sign another category B rookie) comprising 36-38 primary listed players, four-six category A rookies and one category B rookie.
We currently have 29 primary list players and we have six on the Rookie A list (Aarts, Mansell, Millar, Parker, Picket & Stack) so if we re-draft Cumberland and Nyuon onto the Rookie list as the club had indicated, we will need to elevate two players to the Primary list. That would bring our Primary list to 31 leaving five free places. Assuming we fill all five free place at the National draft, that gives us 36 players on the Primary list. Adding the six category A rookies and one category B rookies gives a total of 43 players.
Have I got this right or have I misunderstood the rules? If I'm right we will need to elevate two players to keep the rookie A list to the maximum of 6.
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Hi all, this is my first post after many years as a guest reader. Hope I don't make a fool of myself.
My understanding is that the maximum list size for 2022 will be 44 players including up to two on the Rookie B list. Specifically, the primary list must have between 36 and 38 players. Category A rookies are capped at 4-6, up to a total of 42 players on a list including primary-listed players and category A rookies. (Add two category B rookies makes the maximum of 44 players). We only have one Rookie B listed player (Colina) so our maximum for 2022 will be 43 players (unless we sign another category B rookie) comprising 36-38 primary listed players, four-six category A rookies and one category B rookie.
We currently have 29 primary list players and we have six on the Rookie A list (Aarts, Mansell, Millar, Parker, Picket & Stack) so if we re-draft Cumberland and Nyuon onto the Rookie list as the club had indicated, we will need to elevate two players to the Primary list. That would bring our Primary list to 31 leaving five free places. Assuming we fill all five free place at the National draft, that gives us 36 players on the Primary list. Adding the six category A rookies and one category B rookies gives a total of 43 players.
Have I got this right or have I misunderstood the rules? If I'm right we will need to elevate two players to keep the rookie A list to the maximum of 6.
Not sure if you are correct as I’m not across the list management side of things. But welcome to the forum. I too lurked on here for a little while before I started posting and have never looked back.
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
interesting, how to we re-rookie Naoh & Biggy ?
We draft them at the rookie draft
do we have any rookie spots open was more my point, considering we have the following rookies
2020/Rookie 46 Ben Miller
2022/Rookie 44 Sydney Stack
2022/Rookie 16 Jake Aarts
2022/Rookie 37 Matt Parker
2022/Rookie 50 Marlion Pickett
2023/Rookie 31 Rhyan Mansell
CAT B Rookie 39 Mate' Colina
I thought we could have up to 8 excluding Cat B rookies?
No, 2022 will be as 2021 so
Minimum 37 players all up on list
Maximum 44 players all up on list inc 2 Cat B
Minimum 36 & max 38 on main list
4-6 Cat A Rookies
2 Cat B Rookies
So at present we are maxed on Cat A rookies & potentially have 1 spot for a Cat B
Hence my original question
Unless of course there is another list lodgement date where we could upgrade
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
interesting, how to we re-rookie Naoh & Biggy ?
We draft them at the rookie draft
do we have any rookie spots open was more my point, considering we have the following rookies
2020/Rookie 46 Ben Miller
2022/Rookie 44 Sydney Stack
2022/Rookie 16 Jake Aarts
2022/Rookie 37 Matt Parker
2022/Rookie 50 Marlion Pickett
2023/Rookie 31 Rhyan Mansell
CAT B Rookie 39 Mate' Colina
I thought we could have up to 8 excluding Cat B rookies?
No, 2022 will be as 2021 so
Minimum 37 players all up on list
Maximum 44 players all up on list inc 2 Cat B
Minimum 36 & max 38 on main list
4-6 Cat A Rookies
2 Cat B Rookies
So at present we are maxed on Cat A rookies & potentially have 1 spot for a Cat B
Hence my original question
Unless of course there is another list lodgement date where we could upgrade
And Yes, On the AFL site, there is indeed another opportunity to upgrade
Thursday 25 November at 10.00pm – Rookie Upgrade Period opens; AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences
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No rookie promotions for us.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/clubs-confirm-seven-afl-rookies-set-to-be-upgraded-to-the-primary-list/
interesting, how to we re-rookie Naoh & Biggy ?
Given all the posts since this question it means that if we wish to redraft these at rookies then we still need to upgrade 2 of our current rookies. My guess (and its purely a guess) is Picket and Stack but it could be any of them as they all played game last year.
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Pickett is overrated. Id upgrade Stack and Miller.
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He's not overrated... he's just not a stuffing winger..... :shh
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Ive never rated him. Think he just a very ordinary footballer. I was hoping we would we trade him back west but no one came for him.
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As a midfielder he plays his best, tackles to hurt
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When he tackles mostly he tries to corral (sic) opponents and it poos me to tears.
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That’s why he is better in close (rotating midfielder), if he is on the wing and the opposition is on the run and he misses the tackle he looks stupid. He is told to corral by the coaching staff to slow the oppositions run.
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Often chooses to bump rather than tackle or go the man instead of the ball.
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We have bigger problems than Pickett.
Carrying over a guy like Aarts for example.
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We have bigger problems than Pickett.
Carrying over a guy like Aarts for example.
Always said he is a vfl footballer if his playing next year with George in that forward line were in trouble they were horrible last year.
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We have bigger problems than Pickett.
Carrying over a guy like Aarts for example.
Always said he is a vfl footballer if his playing next year with George in that forward line were in trouble they were horrible last year.
This is what happens when you trade your depth out maybe. Butler, Higgins. Heck I'd have taken a punt on Stengle again.
George has had a lean two years.