One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 01, 2022, 06:57:35 AM
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Pretty early in the year for this wishful thinking but BF is apparently claiming "Richmond have been into Isaac Heeney for months".
59:30 min mark: https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1DXGyDoWAoEKM
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Heeney would be a great get but he comes from the Newcastle area of NSW and can't see him leaving the Swans.
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Wouldn't be cheap either. Could be a good forward option though.
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The Bigfooty boys are about 1/20 for trade rumours. I suggest this one is no chance at all.
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1/20 is being extremely generous lol
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Just signed a 6 year contract.
Fair to say the bf boys need another source
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Richmond is into somebody. Dont know who but there is a name player being chased.
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Richmond is into somebody. Dont know who but there is a name player being chased.
You could guess anyone other than Heeney and be more accurate than BF.
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Jack Steele should be our target
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Jack Steele should be our target
Would be great
But.....
No chance
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Just signed a 6 year contract.
Fair to say the bf boys need another source
"tiger71" strikes (out) again... :shh
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Jack Steele should be our target
Would be great
But.....
No chance
😢😢😢
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Just signed a 6 year contract.
Fair to say the bf boys need another source
"tiger71" strikes (out) again... :shh
He has that many strikes outs now surely people have worked out he is full of poo. Hasn’t got a single one right out of 50+ inside tips since Lunch 4 years ago.
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To be fair, i heard the heeney one a few weeks back as well. Our club has become very good at hiding info or allowing false info of this type to get around. Im confident theres a name player being chased but have no idea who it is. By the way 2 or 3 people on forums said theyd heard the heeney one too.
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To be fair, i heard the heeney one a few weeks back as well. Our club has become very good at hiding info or allowing false info of this type to get around. Im confident theres a name player being chased but have no idea who it is. By the way 2 or 3 people on forums said theyd heard the heeney one too.
The Tarrant one sure was a surprise to North and to me haha.
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Clubs will “come very hard” for out-of-contract GWS midfielder Tim Taranto, according to AFL Media reporter Cal Twomey.
The 24-year-old recently told AFL.com.au that he’s in no rush to sign a new deal, but did say he’s happy and settled in Sydney.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/03/30/clubs-expected-to-come-very-hard-for-giants-midfielder/
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Ch.7 reporting we're into McStay at $600k a year for six years...along with the Wobbles & Dawks. :help(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/2852770666.gif)
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Ch.7 reporting we're into McStay at $600k a year for six years...along with the Wobbles & Dawks. :help(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/2852770666.gif)
Cool - a 2nd rate swingman on big $ for 6 years that with solve our midfield issues
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Ch.7 reporting we're into McStay at $600k a year for six years...along with the Wobbles & Dawks. :help(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/2852770666.gif)
This one's pretty funny from Tom Browne.
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Ch.7 reporting we're into McStay at $600k a year for six years...along with the Wobbles & Dawks. :help(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/2852770666.gif)
Lol
I wouldn't take him for base wage
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Seems odd but at least we are hopefully out and about being active in trades.
But midfielders should surely be our priority!
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Dan McStay (Brisbane)
“McStay is one that has definitely been on the radar of Victorian clubs for a little while now. Negotiations have been parked there.
“Collingwood’s a club to look for there in terms of what they could be looking at.
“With McStay, you look at the clubs who were interested and had some interest and floated their interest in Ben King, I think they’re the same clubs that would be asking the question of Dan McStay.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/04/06/contract-updates-on-premiership-tiger-lions-free-agent-and-young-cat/
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Hope he McStays where he is.... :shh
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Ordinary footballer imho.
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We could certainly do better
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I'd rather Draft a tall
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Bring up his contract value based on tonight’s performance.
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BIG VIC INTEREST IN FREE AGENT
Daniel McStay is a free agent in demand, with the Brisbane key forward attracting ample interest from Victorian-based clubs, reports the Herald Sun.
McStay, 26, has played 142 games and kicked 115 goals for the Lions since being drafted with Pick 25 in the 2013 national draft.
The Herald Sun reported McStay had put off contract talks with Brisbane until later in the season, with “almost every Melbourne-based club” inquiring about the key forward’s footy future.
The report indicated if McStay did leave the Lions at season’s end, he would only join a Victorian-based club as he’s originally from Melbourne.
While the Lions have little salary cap wiggle room following their acquisitions of Joe Daniher, Charlie Cameron and Lachie Neale over the past five years, the club is confident McStay will remain in Brisbane considering it’s in the middle of a premiership window.
McStay booted a career-high 28 goals last year, including 17 from his last eight full games.
He kicked 2.2 from 14 disposals and six marks against North Melbourne last weekend.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-dan-mcstay-brisbane-contract-angus-brayshaw-free-agent-luke-jackson-west-coast-jamie-elliott/news-story/273ad0bde350b924b27ce219c507d491
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LOGUE ON RADAR OF VIC CLUBS
Victorian clubs have reportedly made inquiries about Fremantle’s former top-10 pick Griffin Logue, as the key defender struggles to cement a spot in the Dockers’ senior side.
The Herald Sun reports Logue, 24, is strongly favoured to move to a Melbourne-based club next year as the out-of-contract defender looms as a valuable commodity on the open market.
Logue, a former pick No.8, has played in only three of five senior games this season despite being fit, but has been named for round six against Carlton after Heath Chapman was withdrawn under health and safety protocols.
Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond are all cited in the report as needing another key defender, while Geelong is also leaving a considerable amount of work to youngster Sam De Koning in defence.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-trade-whispers-player-movement-out-of-contract-players-free-agency-latest-updates-griffin-logue-caleb-daniel/news-story/cec657b30480e187facf67ad44efe6cc
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Anyone seen him play? Is he any good?
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LOGUE ON RADAR OF VIC CLUBS
Victorian clubs have reportedly made inquiries about Fremantle’s former top-10 pick Griffin Logue, as the key defender struggles to cement a spot in the Dockers’ senior side.
The Herald Sun reports Logue, 24, is strongly favoured to move to a Melbourne-based club next year as the out-of-contract defender looms as a valuable commodity on the open market.
Logue, a former pick No.8, has played in only three of five senior games this season despite being fit, but has been named for round six against Carlton after Heath Chapman was withdrawn under health and safety protocols.
Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond are all cited in the report as needing another key defender, while Geelong is also leaving a considerable amount of work to youngster Sam De Koning in defence.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-trade-whispers-player-movement-out-of-contract-players-free-agency-latest-updates-griffin-logue-caleb-daniel/news-story/cec657b30480e187facf67ad44efe6cc
Undersized key defender with out much scope for improvement. Too small to play on talls and too slow to play on smalls. Half the player Broad is and a chance to be delisted.
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Rivals close in on Port midfielder
Port Adelaide’s Karl Amon is attracting significant rival interest – and that was before he was dropped by Ken Hinkley. More clubs are now set to inquire about the free agent.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-chatter-all-the-latest-movement-and-signing-whispers-out-of-the-afl/news-story/81fa04a0278e2b163e233a1db9b76e32
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I dont mind Amon. Straight swap for Jack Graham would be good for us.
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I dont mind Amon. Straight swap for Jack Graham would be good for us.
I like Amon too Ramps.
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FIVE potential landing spots for Daniel McStay
Where could the key forward end up this off-season?
Daniel Marazita
zerohanger.com
MAY 3, 2022
Daniel McSctay has stepped up to incredible heights so far in the 2022 season, acting as one of the spearheads behind the Lions' push for a top-four finish.
Across 146 games for Brisbane - where he has kicked 115 goals as a key forward - McStay has cemented himself as one of the key components of the Lions' forward line.
Originally from Victoria, McStay is putting up career nest numbers this season, averaging 1.4 goals per game alongside 12 disposals and an above-average 5.9 marks. At 26 years of age and standing tall at 195cm, McStay could be a very useful puck for a lot of clubs in need of a key forward.
However, with his contract expiring towards the end of the season, the tall forward may be weighing up his options. With plenty of Victorian-based clubs in need of a goalscoring boost, or with other players looking increasingly likely to move on, there’s a good reason for McStay to head back home.
The Lions forward has already had his name heavily linked to a return south of the Tweed, prompting ongoing speculation around his future from 2023 and beyond.
DANIEL MCSTAY
Brisbane
2022 SEASON AVG
12 Disposals
5.9 Marks
1.4 Goals
Keeping this in mind, we’ve listed FIVE potential landing spots for the key forward in the upcoming free agency period.
1. Richmond
Richmond is a team that could greatly benefit from the arrival of McStay, especially considering the age of some of their forwards. Tom Lynch is already 29, and with veteran Jack Riewoldt looking increasingly likely to call time on his career at the end of the season, picking up a forward the quality of McStay seems like a no brainer.
At the prime age of 26, the key forward could be an essential long-term replacement for Riewoldt, having enough experience to get started straight away, keeping the Tigers at the top of their game.
Lynch is already a solid choice for a full forward, but his inconsistencies raise the question on whether McStay could be a potential replacement. A partnership would seem more likely with Riewoldt likely to retire. Having another, taller forward partner to play alongside would give the troubled Lynch a bit more freedom to play one-on-one rather than being double-teamed.
Although defender Noah Balta is being given a new rotational role in the forward line, he was already established as a solid player down back. Restoring Balta to his former glory at fullback while gaining the experience of McStay upfront to replace Riewoldt seems like a perfect move for the Tigers.
2. North Melbourne
3. Collingwood
4. Essendon
5. Brisbane (stay where he is)
https://www.zerohanger.com/five-potential-landing-spots-for-daniel-mcstay-119600/
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Would need to be reasonably priced given his modest output of 1.5 goals/game in a top 4 side.
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Good in a great side but not the main man.
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Seems to me his agent wrote that piece of
marketing journalism.
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Next Geelong recruit :oldguy.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/goldstein-could-join-ruck-trade-merry-go-round-20220503-p5ai9d.html
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Amid their team’s rollercoaster start to the season, two triple premiership Tigers are thriving in defence, with both Nathan Broad and Daniel Rioli averaging career-high disposals. Rioli’s manager, Ralph Carr, recently indicated his client would assess how the season pans out before a call was made on his future, while Broad – who was linked to the Gold Coast Suns in late 2020 – remains unsigned beyond the end of the season.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-18-offcontract-stars-set-to-earn-bumper-pay-deal-jordan-de-goey-luke-jackson-west-coast/news-story/449269b6da4f061f17da142f414e4ee7
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Herald Sun Trade news: Will rival offers come for Paddy Dow?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/wreck-it-ralph-top-trade-and-free-agency-targets-on-offer/news-story/866c8887645d1ec144f1cd07510c32e0
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No thanks
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GWS forward Bobby Hill is likely to request a trade once again at the end of the year, according to SEN Chief Reporter Sam Edmund.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/10/giants-forward-remains-keen-to-leave-in-upcoming-trade-period/
North Melbourne’s prized No.1 draft pick Jason Horne-Francis has stepped away from negotiations over a new deal at the struggling club.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/10/horne-francis-puts-contracts-negotiations-with-north-melbourne-on-hold/
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#lolnorf should have taken our trade offer - CCJ, Pick 8, 15 and 26
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#lolnorf should have taken our trade offer - CCJ, Pick 8, 15 and 26
No Gibcus Brown or Sonsie potentially, glad they knocked it back. We look like getting #20 for CJ after all...
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North Melbourne’s prized No.1 draft pick Jason Horne-Francis has stepped away from negotiations over a new deal at the struggling club.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/10/horne-francis-puts-contracts-negotiations-with-north-melbourne-on-hold/
Don't blame him only because he is likely to improve and be worth more by the month.
North need to realise that he doesn't get down on the first date basically.
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If i was his manager id ask for $20,000 a week in guaranteed wage thats $1,040,000 base a year for 5 years and bonuses on top of that. If he stays there, he needs to set himself up for life coz they could wreck his career if he stays another 1 or 2 years.
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He'll leave after 4 years, now is not the right time. He'll be 22 and at his peak which will ensure $1mil + offers from the cows and powder puffs.
In saying that why the hell would he want to go back to SA. He is more likely to stay in Melb and end up at the Pies, Hawks or Tigers.
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We clearly value him very highly given our huge trade offer so I imagine we'll be monitoring this situation pretty closely.
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2022 KEY PRE-AGENTS
Richmond: Jason Castagna, Kamdyn McIntosh
Adelaide: Luke Brown, Tom Doedee, Rory Sloane
Brisbane: Eric Hipwood, Rhys Mathieson, Daniel Rich
Carlton: Charlie Curnow, Harry McKay, Jack Silvagni, Lachie Plowman
Collingwood: Jack Crisp, Scott Pendlebury
Essendon: Darcy Parish, Mason Redman, Will Snelling
Fremantle: Nat Fyfe, Darcy Tucker, Michael Walters
Geelong: Mark Blicavs, Sam Menegola
Gold Coast: Sam Day, Brayden Fiorini, Alex Sexton
GWS: Harry Himmelberg, Jacob Hopper
Hawthorn: Luke Breust
Melbourne: James Jordon, Alex Neal-Bullen, Clayton Oliver, Sam Weideman
North Melbourne: Ben McKay
Port Adelaide: Riley Bonner, Charlie Dixon
St Kilda: Jade Gresham, Daniel McKenzie
Sydney: Callum Mills, Tom Papley
West Coast: Jamie Cripps, Jeremy McGovern
Western Bulldogs: Bailey Williams
https://www.afl.com.au/news/758506/clubs-on-pre-agent-watch-former-no-3-pick-a-trade-target
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If take Fyfe to replace Riewoldt up forward whilst we develop some future forwards that we pick up in next years draft.
Fyfe can finally live out his dream of playing for his beloved tigers. :gotigers
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Fyfe to Richmond :lol.
On a more serious (and grounded in credible source) note I am concerned that one of our club’s greatest sons will be relocating to Sydney at year’s end.
If this source is correct and rumours are true, I wish him all the best and look forward to him being traded for the grandson of another living legend of the Tigers…
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Fyfe to Richmond :lol.
On a more serious (and grounded in credible source) note I am concerned that one of our club’s greatest sons will be relocating to Sydney at year’s end.
If this source is correct and rumours are true, I wish him all the best and look forward to him being traded for the grandson of another living legend of the Tigers…
Hmm. How reliable is your source RT?
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Im not as keen on Green as many others. I like midfielders with speed not plodders. Id also want the Giants 1st rounder as part of the deal. Dusty would bring millions into their club so they should pay the price
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Sam Weideman from Melb? I doubt Sam would come over cos it would end his run of soft as butter free kicks ... :-\
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Im not as keen on Green as many others. I like midfielders with speed not plodders. Id also want the Giants 1st rounder as part of the deal. Dusty would bring millions into their club so they should pay the price
Mate he's killing it this year in an average team too.
Dusty will be 31 next month with 2 years to go on about $1.1-1.2mil. There's no way in heck we'd get Green AND their first rounder.
Reality for me is that if Dusty wants to go then we're better off with someone else paying his contract and if we don't pull a flag out of our butts this year I'm confident we won't next year either.
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People put way too much emphasis on speed like without that trait there’s no chance you will be an a grade player when history suggests that’s not even close to being true.
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People put way too much emphasis on speed like without that trait there’s no chance you will be an a grade player when history suggests that’s not even close to being true.
For every Greg williams or Sam Mitchell or Clayton Oliver theres 100s of slow players who get chopped of lists. Quick players have a better chance of having long careers.
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Fyfe to Richmond :lol.
On a more serious (and grounded in credible source) note I am concerned that one of our club’s greatest sons will be relocating to Sydney at year’s end.
If this source is correct and rumours are true, I wish him all the best and look forward to him being traded for the grandson of another living legend of the Tigers…
Hmm. How reliable is your source RT?
It’s second hand to a 100% dead eye reliable source. No reason for the guy to steer me wrong but i hope it’s way off.
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Fyfe to Richmond :lol.
On a more serious (and grounded in credible source) note I am concerned that one of our club’s greatest sons will be relocating to Sydney at year’s end.
If this source is correct and rumours are true, I wish him all the best and look forward to him being traded for the grandson of another living legend of the Tigers…
Hmm. How reliable is your source RT?
It’s second hand to a 100% dead eye reliable source. No reason for the guy to steer me wrong but i hope it’s way off.
Understood. We shall see.
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Fyfe to Richmond :lol.
On a more serious (and grounded in credible source) note I am concerned that one of our club’s greatest sons will be relocating to Sydney at year’s end.
If this source is correct and rumours are true, I wish him all the best and look forward to him being traded for the grandson of another living legend of the Tigers…
Hmm. How reliable is your source RT?
I hope it isn't the reliable source that told someone I see at the footy that an unnamed tiger player would retire after round 3. The person I see said his source was super reliable, never gets it wrong and had proof the retirement was a lock :outtahere
In the fullness of time we will know one way or another
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Nope WP.
Same source (but second hand) as the one who correctly called his re-signing at the end of season 2017.
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Nope WP.
Same source (but second hand) as the one who correctly called his re-signing at the end of season 2017.
Fair enough
But back in 2017 my friend Chutney called his re-signing too and I posted that at the time.... :)
But now I don't post what Chutney tells me these days due to being ridiculed on here 😉.
As I said we will know one way or the other in the fullness of time
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Bring back Chutney :bow
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I'm quite fond of a Mango Chutney.
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Ahhh the old reliable source. Has a 50% chance of being right just by guessing and if not right can just claim situation changed as the year went on…..
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:shh
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Even a broken Chutney is right twice a day.
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Even a broken Chutney is right twice a day.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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I have heard things about a favourite son to Sydney as well. And if true I can’t have any ill feelings towards him. Hopefully get a few pieces back too
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Nope WP.
Same source (but second hand) as the one who correctly called his re-signing at the end of season 2017.
Fair enough
But back in 2017 my friend Chutney called his re-signing too and I posted that at the time.... :)
But now I don't post what Chutney tells me these days due to being ridiculed on here 😉.
As I said we will know one way or the other in the fullness of time
Ha ha. I like the roll the dice every once in a while. Keeps the ticker going ;D
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"Taranto out of contract with Victorian clubs circling."
https://www.afl.com.au/video/763481/footy-feed-dons-search-for-hard-edge-aflw-cba-done-rioli-s-contract
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THE TYPE OF PLAYER YOUR CLUB WOULD TARGET IN A HYPOTHETICAL MID-SEASON TRADE PERIOD
Andrew Slevison
SEN
27 May 2022
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Inside midfielder
Richmond’s defence is in good shape, the forward line, when Tom Lynch returns from his hamstring, is fairly dangerous and the ruck stocks are solid.
There is one area that the Tigers could use some help in and that is around the contest and at the stoppage in the midfield.
Midfielder/forward Shai Bolton and ruckman Toby Nankervis are two of the side’s best three contested players this season, with veteran Trent Cotchin the other.
Adding an inside beast to combat the bigger bodied midfield units at the top of the table could be a helpful move for the Tigers.
There aren’t too many of them around who aren’t already playing regular senior footy, but some names spring to mind.
Matt Crouch has been somewhat out of favour at Adelaide this year, but they would demand too much from the Tigers to make it a feasible trade. He is also expected to return to the Crows’ best 22 very soon.
Regardless, he is the type of player who could be handy for Damien Hardwick’s midfield for the here and now as the recent three-time premiers strive to mix it with the competition’s top teams.
GWS’ Jacob Hopper would be the dream, but that’s drawing a long bow.
Melbourne’s Luke Dunstan is another inside mid that is not playing regular senior football, however, the Demons find him useful whenever one of their first-choice mids are out of the side.
It’s not a major point of need for the Tigers, especially with promising youngster Thomson Dow gaining some experience in the ones this year, but it is an area they could look at if a hypothetical mid-season trade period were to take place.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/27/the-type-of-player-your-club-would-target-in-a-hypothetical-mid-season-trade/
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Hopper has knee issues which will be a long term risk.
Crouch is a stat chaser and wouldn't fit with our game plan.
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Bring back Chutney :bow
Chutney or chucky
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Considering what we offered Norf to get their first last year, and considering Cotchin, Edwards and Lambert may only have 1 or 2 years left in the game, Id be staggered if our footy department isnt considering trying to pry Jason Horne Francis out of Norf. I dont think its 100% that he goes back to SA.
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Considering what we offered Norf to get their first last year, and considering Cotchin, Edwards and Lambert may only have 1 or 2 years left in the game, Id be staggered if our footy department isnt considering trying to pry Jason Horne Francis out of Norf. I dont think its 100% that he goes back to SA.
What's your assessment of JHF? He any good?
Hard to tell playing for Norf.
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Bring back Chutney :bow
Bring back Dio :shh
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What's your assessment of JHF? He any good?
Hard to tell playing for Norf.
I think he will be a gun. Even playing for N0rt he is a cut above of most on that list.
Cannot see him leaving N0rt and the end of the season
But also don't see him extending his contract this year.
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I agree. In a decent side with decent coaches he will come on for sure development wise.
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Bring back Chutney :bow
Bring back Dio :shh
What happened there?
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Bring back Chutney :bow
Bring back Dio :shh
What happened there?
Dio's gone?
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Bring back Chutney :bow
Bring back Dio :shh
What happened there?
Dio's gone?
What happened? What did I miss? Has he left us?
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Apparently Eddie reckons we are chasing Andy McGrath from Essendon
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Apparently Eddie reckons we are chasing Andy McGrath from Essendon
Swap for Parker and shuffle of picks
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Apparently Eddie reckons we are chasing Andy McGrath from Essendon
McGrath to Richmond
Graham to Adelaide
Himmelberg to Bummers
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Apparently Eddie reckons we are chasing Andy McGrath from Essendon
Here's the clip:
"Is he the next captain, or is he trade bait?"
Eddie McGuire names two clubs interested in recruiting out-of-contract Essendon star Andrew McGrath.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1531982721316265984
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MCGRATH DRAWING INTEREST FROM VIC RIVALS
St Kilda and Richmond have interest in Essendon midfielder Andy McGrath, according to former Collingwood president McGuire.
The former Pick 1, who’s been touted as a future skipper of the Bombers and is part of a streamlined three-man leadership group under skipper Dyson Heppell and vice-captain Zach Merrett, comes out of contract at the end of the season.
But speaking on Channel 9’s Footy Classified, McGuire questioned whether it may be in the best interests of the Bombers to explore his trade value.
As McGrath doesn’t yet qualify for free agency, he’d need to be acquired via trade.
“Is he the next captain, or is he trade bait?” McGuire posed.
“Because I know there are two clubs who are into him at the moment.... St Kilda and Richmond.
“I think they’re looking at him very closely (and talking to his manager), and so they should because he’s a gun player.
“But is this the opportunity, because they’ve got so many of the same type, to maybe flick one out, get another player in?” What do you do in this situation?”
Former St Kilda and Fremantle coach Ross Lyon believed Merrett was more likely to succeed Heppell as captain.
“He’s not performing to a Pick 1 level as I see it,” Lyon said of McGrath.
“He was a back pocket out of the U18s, he’s never going to be a key position player and dominate a game.
“I think he’s a good solid player and he’s got great character, but if you’re not going forward as a club, maybe you cut your loss … but what are you going to get for him?
“I think Merrett’s the next captain. No one prepares better than Merrett and competes more consistently than Merrett and he’s been on the outer in leadership.
“To me, he’s got the intensity and the will and the drive to be their captain.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-victorian-clubs-interested-in-andy-mcgrath-richmond-tigers-st-kilda-saints-dyson-heppell-contract-latest-essendon-bombers-taylor-walker/news-story/e003cd407956753596d621f03d6791cc
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Carlton is reportedly bullish on its hopes of landing unrestricted free agent Karl Amon at season’s end.
The Herald Sun reports Amon has a strong relationship with Blues coach Michael Voss, who worked alongside Amon at Port Adelaide during his seven-year tenure as an assistant coach.
Amon, 26, is being looked at by several Victorian clubs, including Hawthorn and St Kilda, with Amon’s mother Katrina recently taking up a post at the latter as Indigenous development manager.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-trade-whispers-player-movement-free-agents-out-of-contract-jordan-de-goey-karl-amon/news-story/52bbd0f30e5fc515ea417c8c4e2456ee
No salary cap at Carlton? :huh3
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Bring back Chutney :bow
Bring back Dio :shh
:shh :shh
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McGrath, the dons supporters don't rate him haha. Reckon he's a waste.
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Carlton is reportedly bullish on its hopes of landing unrestricted free agent Karl Amon at season’s end.
The Herald Sun reports Amon has a strong relationship with Blues coach Michael Voss, who worked alongside Amon at Port Adelaide during his seven-year tenure as an assistant coach.
Amon, 26, is being looked at by several Victorian clubs, including Hawthorn and St Kilda, with Amon’s mother Katrina recently taking up a post at the latter as Indigenous development manager.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-trade-whispers-player-movement-free-agents-out-of-contract-jordan-de-goey-karl-amon/news-story/52bbd0f30e5fc515ea417c8c4e2456ee
No salary cap at Carlton? :huh3
The brown paper bag must be alive and well at that joint still. No way they can fit anymore in.
They've got Cripps, Williams, Saad, Martin, Hewett, Weitering, McKay, Curnow, McGovern, Cerra and Walsh all on $600k plus. Lets say an average of $750k. That's more than $8million of a total cap of $13mil on 11 players. Something isn't adding up.
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Andrew McGrath has told Essendon his future lies with them as St Kilda circles the former No.1 draft pick.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/06/06/sam-edmunds-afl-trade-and-contract-updates-on-andrew-mcgrath-darcy-cameron/
No mention of us.
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The Giants who should be on Tigers’ trade hit list
Richmond needs to replenish its midfield, and GWS is facing a squeeze in the engine room. See the two guns the Tigers should chase and who could leave.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-list-analysis-whos-a-free-agent-out-of-contract-and-in-the-gun-at-punt-rd/news-story/efc75d07487b5579ff73d0faee38e3e0
Behind a paywall but I'd guess they are talking about Green and Taranto?
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The Giants who should be on Tigers’ trade hit list
Richmond needs to replenish its midfield, and GWS is facing a squeeze in the engine room. See the two guns the Tigers should chase and who could leave.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-list-analysis-whos-a-free-agent-out-of-contract-and-in-the-gun-at-punt-rd/news-story/efc75d07487b5579ff73d0faee38e3e0
Behind a paywall but I'd guess they are talking about Green and Taranto?
You are correct.
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The Giants who should be on Tigers’ trade hit list
Richmond needs to replenish its midfield, and GWS is facing a squeeze in the engine room. See the two guns the Tigers should chase and who could leave.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-list-analysis-whos-a-free-agent-out-of-contract-and-in-the-gun-at-punt-rd/news-story/efc75d07487b5579ff73d0faee38e3e0
Behind a paywall but I'd guess they are talking about Green and Taranto?
You are correct.
Straight swap both of them for Dusty haha
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We should try and raid some of Norfs youngsters. Uniake and Horne Francis, even Will Phillips. Jy Simpkin at 24 still has a lot of footy in him too.
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We should try and raid some of Norfs youngsters. Uniake and Horne Francis, even Will Phillips. Jy Simpkin at 24 still has a lot of footy in him too.
Id take Uniake in a heart beat.
what would he cost us? Coleman-Jones pick hahaha
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LOGUE ON RADAR OF VIC CLUBS
Victorian clubs have reportedly made inquiries about Fremantle’s former top-10 pick Griffin Logue, as the key defender struggles to cement a spot in the Dockers’ senior side.
The Herald Sun reports Logue, 24, is strongly favoured to move to a Melbourne-based club next year as the out-of-contract defender looms as a valuable commodity on the open market.
Logue, a former pick No.8, has played in only three of five senior games this season despite being fit, but has been named for round six against Carlton after Heath Chapman was withdrawn under health and safety protocols.
Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond are all cited in the report as needing another key defender, while Geelong is also leaving a considerable amount of work to youngster Sam De Koning in defence.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-trade-whispers-player-movement-out-of-contract-players-free-agency-latest-updates-griffin-logue-caleb-daniel/news-story/cec657b30480e187facf67ad44efe6cc
Undersized key defender with out much scope for improvement. Too small to play on talls and too slow to play on smalls. Half the player Broad is and a chance to be delisted.
Lol he may be just a tad short at 193cm but fmd at 101kg and athletic with good pace for a bloke his SIZE i would say he has plenty of size.
Really liked him as a junior and if not for injuries would be well and truly on everyones lips but hey i get it you dont see much of those people way over in the west.
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Speaking on Fox Footy on Thursday night, Jon Ralph said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Tim Taranto move to a Melbourne-based club next season in a move that could help the Giants rebalance their list and their salary cap.
“I think it’s a likely chance,” Ralph told Fox Footy.
“He’s out of contract … they’re probably a little bit over the salary cap, as most good clubs are.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-round-13-talking-points-analysis-reaction-results-wrap-highlights-best-coach-justin-longmuir-north-melbourne-problems/news-story/a3051b47672c52adf6487e4cf7e90196
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Speaking on Fox Footy on Thursday night, Jon Ralph said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Tim Taranto move to a Melbourne-based club next season in a move that could help the Giants rebalance their list and their salary cap.
“I think it’s a likely chance,” Ralph told Fox Footy.
“He’s out of contract … they’re probably a little bit over the salary cap, as most good clubs are.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-round-13-talking-points-analysis-reaction-results-wrap-highlights-best-coach-justin-longmuir-north-melbourne-problems/news-story/a3051b47672c52adf6487e4cf7e90196
Taranto + Green
For Dusty + 1st rounder
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Speaking on Fox Footy on Thursday night, Jon Ralph said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Tim Taranto move to a Melbourne-based club next season in a move that could help the Giants rebalance their list and their salary cap.
“I think it’s a likely chance,” Ralph told Fox Footy.
“He’s out of contract … they’re probably a little bit over the salary cap, as most good clubs are.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-round-13-talking-points-analysis-reaction-results-wrap-highlights-best-coach-justin-longmuir-north-melbourne-problems/news-story/a3051b47672c52adf6487e4cf7e90196
Taranto + Green
For Dusty + 1st rounder
Theyre (GWS) not doing that in a million years.
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JHF will ask to be traded at the end of the year. We should put our hat into the ring.
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We need a KPF to replace Jack
What are people's thoughts on Sam Weideman from Melbourne?
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We need a KPF to replace Jack
What are people's thoughts on Sam Weideman from Melbourne?
No thanks - he is a dud - the one we should go for is Oscar Allen from West Coast.
Allen is probably not gettable but I reckon Jamara Ugle-Hagan is
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We need a KPF to replace Jack
What are people's thoughts on Sam Weideman from Melbourne?
How cheap can we get him? I guess if he’s cheap I would definitely do a deal if he was keen.
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We need a KPF to replace Jack
What are people's thoughts on Sam Weideman from Melbourne?
Yes if he's cheap
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GWS youngster Tanner Bruhn is considering a move back to Victoria after two seasons with the Giants.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/06/29/giants-young-gun-considering-move-back-to-victoria/
https://www.afl.com.au/news/789332/gun-giant-considering-move-annual-ruck-exchange-heating-up
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Lions forward Daniel McStay looks “a certainty” to be wearing black and white in 2023, according to Ralph.
The 27-year-old has been strongly linked to Collingwood on a five-year deal worth $3 million.
If McStay walks to the Magpies via free agency on the mooted contract, the Lions will get a first-round compensation pick - at worst, an end-of-first-round pick - which will give them two inside the top 20.
If Ashcroft receives a bid at Pick 1, both of those picks would be eaten up by Brisbane matching it.
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Rival clubs believe Fremantle forward-ruck Rory Lobb will be playing for the Western Bulldogs next season, reports the Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph.
According to Ralph, the market expectation is that the tall-needy Bulldogs will add Lobb via trade, with the 29-year-old seeking a three-year, $1.5 million deal.
Lobb is contracted for 2023 meaning he would have to be traded.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-rory-lobb-to-western-bulldogs-fremantle-daniel-mcstay-to-collingwood-brisbane-lions-contract-will-ashcroft-bid/news-story/02534ff2d8cf3d207ba06cc275b40b43
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Weidemann is a spud, if he was any good they wouldn't have gone for B.Brown
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Supposed to be a tall draft coming, take the best KPF we can in the draft even trade up if possible.
Then we need to target a likely mature player from another club or out of the state leagues. This is the way to go if JR does not retire.
We get a highly promising kid to develop and some much needed back up in case of injuries to Jack or Tom.
Imo the the fact is we are not one GENUINE kpf short but two.
A player id like to have a look at as a short term fix as long as he was cheap and his knee passes medical checks is Josh Bruce from the dogs.
They have Naughton, Ugle-Hagen and Darcy and their goal would probably now be to get as many games as possible into the latter two over the coming seasons.
Bruce would give us a year or two to develop the kid we take and add back up even a third wheel to TL and JR.
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Weidemann is a spud, if he was any good they wouldn't have gone for B.Brown
Agree - not a fan at all.
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The greater concern is that they are playing Mitch Brown ahead of Weideman …. now that’s saying something
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Matt Crouch is open to leaving Adelaide if the right suitor is forthcoming, reports AFL Media’s Cal Twomey.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/07/midfielder-open-to-leaving-crows-for-right-suitor/
Multiple reports have suggested Bobby Hill is likely to request a move to Victoria almost 12 months after he asked to for a trade away from the Giants — despite being contracted to the club — due to family reasons. The Giants last year remained steadfast Hill was required, reportedly rejecting an offer from the Bombers that included a second-round draft pick.
Source: Foxsports. (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-izak-rankine-essendon-offer-gold-coast-suns-contract-colin-young-interview-griffin-logue-bobby-hill-collingwood/news-story/c73dd96a3f8787a7b2185e2366984d67)
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I'd take Matt Crouch.
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I'd take Matt Crouch.
I wouldn't
Too many short dinky kicks, racks up plenty of possessions but doesn't really hurt the opposition with them
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I'd take Matt Crouch.
I wouldn't
Too many short dinky kicks, racks up plenty of possessions but doesn't really hurt the opposition with them
He’s a good player but will be 28 next year and would prob won’t some decent $$$ too. Much prefer other targets.
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We also say that than miss out and they go to Saints, Blues or Dees making them stronger
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Don't mind an extractor myself.
Others I would prefer over Crouch but he'd be an upgrade on the likes of Ross. If he came on reasonable money with a chance of finals success I'd consider it. Would take a 5 year deal though which I'm not sure about.
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Matt Crouch is a no for me. 3 years ago maybe but we are about to lose edwards, cotchin, lambert out of the mids and getting him wont help us win a flag.
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Tiger71 from BF reckons we are interested in Darcy Fogarty at the Crows.
He also is claiming Hopper is the one most likely from the Giants. Taranto wants too much money and Green wants to remain at GWS (caveat depends on the new coach).
Dusty and Baker aren't going anywhere.
Last 5 mins of the podcast: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1546443034421694464
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Im really excited for this off-season.
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Tiger71 from BF reckons we are interested in Darcy Fogarty at the Crows.
He also is claiming Hopper is the one most likely from the Giants. Taranto wants too much money and Green wants to remain at GWS (caveat depends on the new coach).
Dusty and Baker aren't going anywhere.
Last 5 mins of the podcast: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1546443034421694464
Wouldn't mind Fog. Think he has potential and Jack due to retire soon we need a KPF.
Prefer Taranto to Hopper myself. Don't see why we can't take both in the event Dusty leaves.
Baker needs to stay but if Dusty doesn't recapture some form I don't really see why we should try too hard to keep him with him and Lynch combining for about $2.4-2.6mil/year.
If Dusty leaves and Edwards + Lambert retire would be have enough money to entice all of Taranto, Hopper and Fogarty? Surely that's at least $1.8-2.2mil/year?
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I'd take Fogarty without hesitation
So much upside; he just needs to apply himself and get a decent run at it.
Crows would want a lot for him though
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I'd take Fogarty without hesitation
So much upside; he just needs to apply himself and get a decent run at it.
Crows would want a lot for him though
What do you think it would take?
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What do you think it would take?
the pick we got from N0rt for CCJ or decent player out of our best 22
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Is Fogarty a Victorian?
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I wouldn’t trade anything significant or pay over the top for forgarty, hasn’t shown enough over his first 5 seasons to prove he’s gonna become a top forward. If we are targeting a young forward I’d be looking at larkey from north.
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Is Fogarty a Victorian?
Nup. He's from Lucindale in rural South Australia (near Naracoorte).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcy_Fogarty
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I wouldn’t trade anything significant or pay over the top for forgarty, hasn’t shown enough over his first 5 seasons to prove he’s gonna become a top forward. If we are targeting a young forward I’d be looking at larkey from north.
Dunno if we could acquire Larkey though - likely to cost a lot more in trade + salary. Also we have Lynch so if someone like Fog could play second string I think it would suit us.
I think he's shown plenty of potential but he's playing in a side with Walker and Thilthorpe so is probably 3rd tier there and the team in general has been very poor.
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Fogarty suits us to a tee. Right age 23 or 24, 194cm key forward has talent. Moneyball type recruit because itll cost us a sevond rounder mayber or a Mansell heads back home.
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Balta - Tarrant - Grimes
Vlastuin - Rioli - Broad
Pickett - Prestia - KMac
Rioli - Fogarty - Bolton
Riewoldt - Lynch - Baker
Fol: Nankervis, Taranto, Hopper
Int: Gibcus, Graham, Short, Cotchin
Depth/developing: Clarke, Cumberland, Miller, Soldo, Sonsie, Mansell, Biggie.
The rest I have no idea (Banks, Brown, Bauer etc) about or drawn a line through them (Dow, RCD, Aarts, George, Parker, Ross, Stack).
If we could field a team like this at the expense of Dusty (on the decline, ?wants to go to NSW), Edwards (retire) and Lambert (retire) then I think we'd be in a position to compete better than we are in 2022.
Another year of Riewoldt and Tarrant if they're up to it, otherwise Gibcus and Fogarty could take their places.
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Buddy bombshell: Franklin could walk after Swans’ lowball offer
In a bombshell development, Lance Franklin’s future is up in the air after a lowball contract offer from the Swans that could drive him to retirement or a third club.
Swans offering $500k which is around half of what he is currently on. Buddy wants $700k-800k.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-bombshell-lance-franklins-contract-talks-hit-wall-after-lowball-offer-from-sydney/news-story/6da56badf4d3ddd6768f0d8b14527e13
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Buddy bombshell: Franklin could walk after Swans’ lowball offer
In a bombshell development, Lance Franklin’s future is up in the air after a lowball contract offer from the Swans that could drive him to retirement or a third club.
Swans offering $500k which is around half of what he is currently on. Buddy wants $700k-800k.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-bombshell-lance-franklins-contract-talks-hit-wall-after-lowball-offer-from-sydney/news-story/6da56badf4d3ddd6768f0d8b14527e13
Stuff me is this a joke he wants 700-800 after pulling $10mil for 9 years?
He's old and pretty much cooked like Jack. 500 tops, I wouldn't even offer him that much.
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Tom Browne on 7news couldn't resist going the obvious click-bait.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/BuddyRichmond.png)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1547140726391439360
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Uh Melbourne? How do they work that one out?
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Uh Melbourne? How do they work that one out?
Tom Browne making stuff up but it was meant to be a list of contending sides that Buddy would want to go to. Problem is why would Buddy want to return to Melbourne (the city) when he left in the first place to escape the 24/7 fishbowl down here?
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Tiger71 from BF reckons we are interested in Darcy Fogarty at the Crows.
He also is claiming Hopper is the one most likely from the Giants. Taranto wants too much money and Green wants to remain at GWS (caveat depends on the new coach).
Dusty and Baker aren't going anywhere.
Last 5 mins of the podcast: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1546443034421694464
Prefer Tom Green and Taranto but it should be a wait and see about Hopper given his knee. He had off-season surgery over last summer and when he played round 1 the knee swelled up and he required further surgery for what was a new injury. He's finally returning this week for GWS. Let's see how he goes and whether his knee holds up over the remaining 6 weeks.
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Uh Melbourne? How do they work that one out?
Tom Browne making stuff up but it was meant to be a list of contending sides that Buddy would want to go to. Problem is why would Buddy want to return to Melbourne (the city) when he left in the first place to escape the 24/7 fishbowl down here?
Sounds like he just wants money haha
I don't see how Dees could afford him, even if Jackson leaves (I don't think he's on big money at the moment).
Petracca, Oliver both on big contracts worth at least 800-900/year. May and Lever on 700ish? Gawn must be on plenty.
Don't see how they could rustle up 700+ for Buddy.
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Uh Melbourne? How do they work that one out?
Tom Browne making stuff up but it was meant to be a list of contending sides that Buddy would want to go to. Problem is why would Buddy want to return to Melbourne (the city) when he left in the first place to escape the 24/7 fishbowl down here?
Sounds like he just wants money haha
I don't see how Dees could afford him, even if Jackson leaves (I don't think he's on big money at the moment).
Petracca, Oliver both on big contracts worth at least 800-900/year. May and Lever on 700ish? Gawn must be on plenty.
Don't see how they could rustle up 700+ for Buddy.
Yep the Dees have got a salary cap squeeze. More likely to lose a couple of players. Angus Brayshaw is one that gets mentioned as poachable.
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Tom Browne on 7news couldn't resist going the obvious click-bait.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/BuddyRichmond.png)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1547140726391439360
If Tom Browne wanted to be genuine he would have had Geelong as the most likely landing place for a 35 year old player
You Know it makes sense :snidegrin
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RANKING ALL 17 TEAMS BY THEIR FIT FOR LANCE FRANKLIN IN 2023
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
14 July 2022
10. Richmond
If Jack Riewoldt retires, then sure, maybe, and the Tigers are in their premiership window, but this still doesn’t seem like a great fit.
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1. Melbourne
Melbourne needs a spearhead inside 50. They are right at the peak of their powers where buying one or two years of Buddy could lead to a flag.
The Dees are clearly at the top of this list.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/13/ranking-all-17-teams-by-their-fit-for-lance-franklin-in-2023/
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JACOB HOPPING OUT OF GWS?
AFL Media is reporting that a clutch of Victorian clubs are interested in recruiting GWS star midfielder Jacob Hopper.
Hopper can become a free agent at the end of next year — referred to as ‘pre agents’ — but the Giants have been known to trade out players early in order to maximise compensation.
For instance, in 2018, GWS traded out Dylan Shiel to Essendon for a pair of first-round draft picks, rather than wait another year for Shiel to depart as a free agent and receive just the one selection from the AFL.
Geelong and Richmond are believed to be the frontrunners for Hopper’s services if the Giants academy product decides to start afresh elsewhere.
Essendon have shown interest in Hopper in the past, and would likely do so again, especially considering their need for big-bodied midfielders to bolster their on-ball brigade.
A knee injury has restricted Hopper to just one game this year, all the way back in Round 1, but he is building towards a senior recall in the coming weeks.
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HEPPELL FUTURE IN LIMBO
Essendon captain Dyson Heppell is still yet to receive a contract offer from the Bombers for the 2023 season amid growing rival interest, according to AFL Media.
Rival clubs are believed to be interested in recruiting the 30-year-old for next year if he can’t come to terms on a new deal with the Bombers.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-carlton-pulls-out-of-race-for-karl-amon-suitors-free-agency-justin-longmuir-speaks-on-rory-lobbs-future/news-story/c235eb640ba214041c7fb7e9ef7dd8e3
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RANKING ALL 17 TEAMS BY THEIR FIT FOR LANCE FRANKLIN IN 2023
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
14 July 2022
10. Richmond
If Jack Riewoldt retires, then sure, maybe, and the Tigers are in their premiership window, but this still doesn’t seem like a great fit.
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1. Melbourne
Melbourne needs a spearhead inside 50. They are right at the peak of their powers where buying one or two years of Buddy could lead to a flag.
The Dees are clearly at the top of this list.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/13/ranking-all-17-teams-by-their-fit-for-lance-franklin-in-2023/
This article is laughable. AFL media are a joke
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Three clubs at head of the line for Giants star
Jake Niall
The Age
July 14, 2022 — 7.30pm
Geelong, Richmond and Adelaide are the clubs in contention for Jacob Hopper should the talented midfielder seek a trade from the Giants.
While Hopper is contracted for next year, rival clubs and industry sources believe he could be traded this October – a scenario believed more likely if his teammate Tim Taranto re-signs with GWS, placing further pressure on the Giants’ ever-tight salary cap.
Sources say that Hopper is a priority for Geelong, who have a proven record of landing players, with Richmond and Adelaide the other clubs that are in the running if Hopper leaves GWS one year before his free agency season.
The Cats and Tigers are in a similar position in that both clubs will have veterans departing from their ranks in the next two seasons and thus have both spots opening up in their midfields and some salary cap room. The Tigers, of course, would have a massive salary cap gain if their superstar Dustin Martin was traded given he is contracted at close to $1.2 million over 2023 and 2024.
Taranto is also being pursued by Collingwood, Richmond and a number of other clubs, with the key difference that he is out of contract. Hopper is recovering from knee surgery and has not played since round one, having had an excellent season in 2021 when he made the All-Australian squad of 40. Taranto has indicated that he will wait until a new coach is hired by the Giants before making any call on his future.
The Magpies are not believed to be in the running for Hopper, according to well-placed sources. Their prospects and need to acquire a midfielder would be enhanced if their own star Jordan De Goey exits as a free agent, earning a compensation draft pick and opening up salary cap space.
Another consideration for GWS will be the coaching appointment and the position that the coach takes on whether – subject to salary cap constraints – they can accommodate Hopper and/or Taranto on a playing list that is heavily skewed towards midfield talent. GWS already have Tom Green, another highly capable inside midfielder, on their list, while Josh Kelly, Stephen Coniglio and Lachie Whitfield are players best suited to midfield roles who are contracted on close to $1 million a season for long terms. Finn Callaghan, drafted at pick No.2 in 2021, is another talented midfielderwho will need ground time.
GWS have been in conversations with four-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson, in which both parties are sounding one another out about the coaching position, Clarkson having met with GWS football chief Jason McCartney and spoken with their chief executive David Matthews. Clarkson will also be sounded out by North Melbourne about the now vacant senior coaching position at Arden St.
GWS also are a chance to lose young midfielder Tanner Bruhn, who is out of contract in only his second season and exploring his options. While Bruhn is from the Geelong area and played with the Geelong Falcons as a junior, it would be harder for the Cats to land both he and Hopper should the latter nominate them as his preferred destination.
As a 2023 free agent, Hopper would have the opportunity to seek a new club and a substantial contract next year, or to remain with the Giants, who say he is expected to be back playing soon.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/three-clubs-at-head-of-the-line-for-giants-star-20220714-p5b1md.html
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Hopper signed a two-year extension last September, meaning he is contracted for 2023.
“Jacob’s name does get mentioned most years for whatever reason, whether he’s in and out of contract,” GWS football boss Jason McCartney said.
“Jacob’s one of those classic examples, a bit like Tim [Taranto] at the moment, he was out of contract all of last year … Jacob didn’t re-sign until post-season.
“He’s got next year to run on that contract, then he becomes a free agent.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/15/giants-give-updates-on-midfield-pair-as-rivals-circle/
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Would be happy with hopper provided his knee is ok. Would be thrilled with Taranto + Hopper. Pretty much rejuvenates our midfield in one offseason.
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FIVE potential landing spots for Matt Crouch
Jack Javanovski
zerohanger.com
July 19, 2022 - 4:29PM
1. Richmond
The eighth-placed Tigers are rumoured to be interested in GWS midfielders Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, and the club also has links to youngster Tom Green, as his grandfather, Michael, was a four-time premiership Tiger.
However, in the case that Richmond misses out on all three Giants (assuming they pursue one or more of them this off-season), Crouch could present as a worthy contingency plan.
With uncertainty surrounding the future of superstar midfielder-forward Dustin Martin, and the growing likelihood that ex-skipper Trent Cotchin and veteran Shane Edwards hang up the boots at season's end, Crouch could provide the Tigers with a much-needed senior presence as well as his ball-winning abilities.
With Crouch under contract next season, a trade would need to be orchestrated between Adelaide and Richmond.
The Tigers currently possess two second-round selections, with the later pick likely to be the necessary compensation for the 2017 All-Australian's services.
2. Gold Coast
3. Geelong
4. Essendon
5. St Kilda
https://www.zerohanger.com/five-potential-landing-spots-for-matt-crouch-123550/
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GWS Giants exodus, Jacob Hopper, Tim Taranto, Bobby Hill, Tanner Bruhn expected to leave, contracts, salary cap
Fox Footy
Fox Sports
July 21st, 2022 7:59 pm
Greater Western Sydney is staring down another player “exodus”, with four expected to leave the club in the upcoming trade period, according to Nine reporter Sam McClure.
Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Bobby Hill and Tanner Bruhn have all been floated as candidates to leave the Giants, but salary cap issues and a willingness from the club to “reset” amid a mini-rebuild should reportedly see all four leave.
Of the quartet, midfielders Taranto and Hopper are the most valuable. Richmond and Collingwood are among the Victorian clubs have shown interest in Taranto, while Adelaide, Richmond and Geelong have been linked to Hopper.
Small forward Hill requested a trade to Essendon last year but is most likely to join the Magpies, while Bruhn is looking at a move back to Victoria, with the Cats thought to be keen on the Geelong Falcons product.
The issue for the Giants is how well compensated their big names are - partially due to the oft-mentioned ‘retention tax’ northern clubs end up paying to keep their stars.
Stephen Coniglio, Josh Kelly, Toby Greene and Lachie Whitfield combined take up “the best part” of $4 million of the Giants’ $13.5 million salary cap, according to McClure.
Add in Taranto and Hopper if they are re-signed, and defender Nick Haynes who is on a back-loaded contract, and an estimated half of the team’s cap is already gone.
“There’s another player exodus. We’ve been here before with the Giants,” McClure said on 3AW’s Sportsday.
“I’ve already talked about Tim Taranto, I think that he won’t be there next year. Jacob Hopper you can now put in that same situation, I believe will leave GWS this trade period with one year left on his deal. And Bobby Hill and Tanner Bruhn I think will both join them out the exit door.
“This is once again salary cap based. We talk a lot about the Giants and the fact they pay their four highest-paid players the best part of $4 million per season - Coniglio, Kelly, Greene and Whitfield. Who are all stars.
“And Nick Haynes ... he’s coming to the last two years of a heavily back-ended contract.
“When you add him in, and Taranto and Hopper - if they were all playing in the same side next year, they’d be taking up $6.5 million of the Giants’ $13 million salary cap. That’s half.
“That’s not as much of an issue if you’re top four, if you’re playing in prelims, you’re contending for flags. But in what Matthew Lloyd believes to be a bottom four side at the moment, it of course is going to be an issue.”
Taranto, who is out of contract but not a free agent until 2024, and Hopper would both be worth first-round picks in return according to Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy.
While Taranto isn’t desperate to leave, the Giants believe trading him and Hopper and getting high picks back for them could be healthy for their future.
“One (reason they would trade him) is about cash, one is about seeing this change in coach, potential change in assistant coaches and then the football department, as the chance of a mini-reset,” McClure explained.
“And by trading out Taranto and Hopper, they believe they have the depth of the (players like) Tom Green, Finn Callaghan, Xavier O’Halloran, Lachie Ash, they can make up for those and for those players in their prime, cash in on their trade value.
“If I’m Collingwood, I’m trying to package up my first-round pick this year to get both Hill and Taranto through the door.
“Taranto and Hopper would free up, let’s call it $1.5 million. Hill and Bruhn add a little bit to that so let’s call it $2 million.”
The Magpies’ first-round pick currently sits at pick 14, while Richmond (pick 11), Geelong (pick 18) and Adelaide (pick 3) also own their natural first-rounders.
GWS has “definite interest” in Collingwood ruckman Brodie Grundy but not at his $1 million salary, and would only want to trade for him if the Magpies would pay some of it.
Grundy does not want to leave Victoria which makes it much less likely he would be involved in a player-driven deal with the Giants.
Jordan De Goey is more likely to leave the Magpies, with the Cats reportedly confirming their interest in the mid-forward.
Collingwood believes Geelong and St Kilda have already met with De Goey.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/greater-western-sydney-giants/afl-trade-news-2022-gws-giants-exodus-jacob-hopper-tim-taranto-bobby-hill-tanner-bruhn-expected-to-leave-contracts-salary-cap/news-story/30529709fee90c5a0558fd2dd01dcaf9
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Of course Geelong have already met with De Goey. Something fishy in the Corio waters with the amount of senior fellas on good dollar there.
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Soldo to GWS! Ill go start that rumour on bigfooty. I wonder how long before the footy media run with it.
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Yeah I've heard Soldo is going to GWS also :shh
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Yeah I've heard Soldo is going to GWS also :shh
Smaller ground will suit him.
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Caroline Wilson revealed today that GWS General Manager of Football, Jason McCartney, did not fall off his chair laughing at the prospect, and therefore the Soldo to GWS move "is on."
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Soldo to GWS! Ill go start that rumour on bigfooty. I wonder how long before the footy media run with it.
Steak knife. Dusty + Soldo for Taranto.
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Boys ive just done it. Dont put me in. Lets have a few laughs over today and tomorrow.
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Caroline Wilson revealed today that GWS General Manager of Football, Jason McCartney, did not fall off his chair laughing at the prospect, and therefore the Soldo to GWS move "is on."
Not sure if this is serious but why would we get rid of Soldo? It's not like we are stacked with ruckman
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Caroline Wilson revealed today that GWS General Manager of Football, Jason McCartney, did not fall off his chair laughing at the prospect, and therefore the Soldo to GWS move "is on."
Not sure if this is serious but why would we get rid of Soldo? It's not like we are stacked with ruckman
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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And we are up and running on bigfooty :lol
Should be in the herald sun by mid next week. ;D
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Let's get it done!
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‘Biggest summer of all time’ looms in AFL trade bonanza. These 41 could be involved
Ben Cotton
Foxsports
22 July 2022
Several Victorian clubs in need of key-position stocks have been linked to Logue, and Acres’ management has reportedly been shopping him around to rivals in hopes of getting a better deal.
In addition to Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong and Essendon have all been linked to the 24-year old Taranto.
Meanwhile Jacob Hopper, who’s contracted until the end of 2023, is also being courted by rivals including the Cats, Tigers and Crows.
It’s expected that Hopper is more likely to be dealt if Taranto re-signs with the Giants, with at least one of the two midfield stars seemingly set to be forced out of the club.
Dustin Martin could seek a move away from Tigerland at season’s end to join Sydney despite being contracted at Punt Road for two more seasons worth a total of $2.4 million.
It comes after the 31-year old earlier this year took personal leave from Richmond as he dealt with the death of his father, Shane.
While GWS has also been touted as a landing spot, the Swans are considered the more likely destination should the three-time Norm Smith medallist request a trade.
However Sydney CEO Tom Harley has twice downplayed interest in the Tigers superstar, insisting “there has been no conversations with Dustin.”
And making any trade difficult is that both NSW clubs already face salary cap pressure and would struggle to fit one of the highest-paid players in the game into their books without pulling other significant moves.
Another player who’s fallen down the pecking order is Carlton’s former Pick 3 Paddy Dow (out of contract end of 2023), who reporter Tom Browne revealed has interest from Geelong and Richmond — where his younger brother players.
Elsewhere, Richmond has several key players out of contract itself including Nathan Broad, Daniel Rioli, Liam Baker (all non FAs), Kane Lambert (RFA), Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and Shane Edwards (all UFAs).
It’s emerged that Rioli is nearing a long-time contract extension with the club in a key coup, while the Tigers would surely be desperate to lock away Baker also amid interest from the Western Australian clubs, in particular the Eagles.
But with intriguing decisions to come on veterans Cotchin, Riewoldt and Edwards, could rival clubs pounce in a bid to add experience?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-latest-state-of-play-players-out-of-contract-free-agents-futures-brodie-grundy-dustin-martin-lance-franklin-luke-jackson-jordan-de-goey-tim-taranto/news-story/48412a34ad0c674a95fe5cfdf6874d9d
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Keep broad, rioli, baker. The rest I'm not fussed but don't mind 1 year extensions on small coin with the expectation of 15ish games for Cotch and Jack.
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Broad triggered an extra year in June. Get it right :wallywink
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He was listed as 'managed' but GWS coach Mark McVeigh has admitted form has played a major role in boom youngster Tom Green being left out of the Giants' side to take on Carlton on Sunday.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/803412/mcveigh-defends-midfield-bull-s-axing-addresses-potential-player-exodus
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Dusty + pick 11 for Taranto + Green.
Get it done tigers.
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Dusty + pick 11 for Taranto + Green.
Get it done tigers.
If GWS did that they may as well shut the joint down
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Dusty + pick 11 for Taranto + Green.
Get it done tigers.
If GWS did that they may as well shut the joint down
Yeah it's probably not enough but not a bad starting point. I kinda want Fogarty and I think that'll take at least pick 19 so the next pick we have is 29 which isn't worth a lot.
Maybe they'll take Soldo in a deal haha
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Dusty + pick 11 for Taranto + Green.
Get it done tigers.
If GWS did that they may as well shut the joint down
Yeah it's probably not enough but not a bad starting point. I kinda want Fogarty and I think that'll take at least pick 19 so the next pick we have is 29 which isn't worth a lot.
Maybe they'll take Soldo in a deal haha
Not even close to enough
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Can anyone explain to me why Fogarty is being thrown around a lot. I've missed something how confident some people seem we are getting him?
*edit* OK I've caught up. Personally would love Fogarty its exactly what we need on our list. I am not convinced we have rated him accorgingly. CCP who wasn't in our best 22 got pick 19. Fogarty was pick 12 and has developed OK and is easily Crows best forward behind Walker who is close to retiring. Crows will want a war chest they absolutely can't afford to lose him whilst rebuilding. He would be integral to their plans. They'd want our first pick without question.
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Realistically is Fogarty worth pick 19 I'm not sold he is worth that much.
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Now's the time to go and get Matt Crouch for a future 3rd rounder before he heads to bombers or saints or anyone else. He'd be very handy in a good side
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Now's the time to go and get Matt Crouch for a future 3rd rounder before he heads to bombers or saints or anyone else. He'd be very handy in a good side
He is the Anti Richmond, sideways, backwards, slow, no hurt factor
& that was 2017, add 6 years to that
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Now's the time to go and get Matt Crouch for a future 3rd rounder before he heads to bombers or saints or anyone else. He'd be very handy in a good side
Pass!
Not what we need. Chip, chip, zip, zip = no thanks.
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On Crouch, surely you can teach him to play our way, we dont have many midfield prime movers and we need them.
Angus Brayshaw just signed for 6 years, wow that is a big risk with his history.
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On Crouch, surely you can teach him to play our way, we dont have many midfield prime movers and we need them.
Angus Brayshaw just signed for 6 years, wow that is a big risk with his history.
But isn't part of the issue with Crouch not getting offered a new contract after 2023 (he's actually contracted for 2023) is that he isn't playing the way they want him to play?
Sorry but IMHO he is not a prime mover. He is an outside mid who rather than kicking long would rather chip it around and rack up possessions.
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Few names id go for before considering crouch, but he is most definitely an inside mid not an outside mid. If crows had any sense they would have continued playing him to build up his trade value rather than taking him in and out of the side for inferior players that they have anyway.
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Im hoping we keep our picks and just get a free agent. 3 picks should be enough 2 mids 1 key forward from the draft Im happy.
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had chances to go for Lipinski and Hewitt which would have cost peanuts, and now we want to go for crouch. LMFAO.
Our recruiting department has been a major reason our team has slid this year. There were players on the table to help our ageing stars for a final crack, and they sat back and did nothing but finger their own butts and bask in the previous glory.
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Nasty....
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had chances to go for Lipinski and Hewitt which would have cost peanuts, and now we want to go for crouch. LMFAO.
Our recruiting department has been a major reason our team has slid this year. There were players on the table to help our ageing stars for a final crack, and they sat back and did nothing but finger their own butts and bask in the previous glory.
Hewitt is a turnover merchant. You’d be 100% abusing him and the club right now if he was playing for us.
Where have we confirmed our interest in Crouch?
The meeeedya are great and throwing out a line for the angry minority….. :lol
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Im hoping we keep our picks and just get a free agent. 3 picks should be enough 2 mids 1 key forward from the draft Im happy.
This is my ideal off season
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Speaking on Fox Footy’s On The Couch, Jon Ralph said the GWS salary cap reset was “officially on”, with a host of players set to be put up for trade.
“I think rather than an exodus of players wanting to flee this club, I think it’s a really calculated decision by this club (that) we need to fix this salary cap issue once and for all,” he said.
“If you are going to do it, over three or four years, do it now with really tough decisions.
“Josh Kelly’s contract hits $1.2m at some stage – it’s back-ended, Nick Haynes next year is on over $800,000 – back-ended. That’s a decision the club’s made, but you can fix it right now.
“The inside mids will depart; Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn, Bobby Hill as a small forward, I think to Collingwood.
“The Giants would love to keep Tim Taranto who can play as a medium forward, but he wants to play as an inside mid but they will not push him out.
“I think if someone wanted to pay Haynes’ salary, I think he’d be available.”
Ralph said rumours of a Lachie Whitfield exit were incorrect, and said Tom Green would remain at the club too.
“Lachie Whitfield will not be part of a trade … he’s had an ankle that’s been so bad since Round 8 he’s needed surgery but he’s battled on,” he said.
“Tom Green, happy, contracted, part of those 14 players (called out by caretaker coach Mark McVeigh) and that brings the speculation that he won’t be there.
“Collingwood missed the flag. Two years later, the salary cap exodus. I think it’s taken one more year but they are going to do something about it and it’s going to cause a ripple effect.
“Over a million bucks of cap space over next year and potentially years to come as well.”
Ralph said the exits of Hopper, Bruhn, Hill and Taranto would still leave the Giants with the likes of Stephen Coniglio, Kelly, Green and Whitfield.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/salary-cap-reset-is-on-the-five-players-gws-could-lose-to-attract-an-agrader/news-story/4ca610af94cc54eb4a763971940a9082
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The Tigers are also well into a chase for an experienced midfielder like one of GWS pair Jacob Hopper or Tim Taranto given they have their own first-round pick and the Roos’ second round selection at pick 19.
Source: HeraldSun. (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-trade-news-2022-all-the-latest-in-trades-free-agency-and-player-contracts/news-story/0c82f853f599b7b9b0c2927265c67006)
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Don’t discount a play for De Goey :shh
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Don’t discount a play for De Goey :shh
Oh god! Please no
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According to Callum Twomey:
Collingwood and Richmond still leading the race for Taranto.
Hopper is the priority for Geelong. He's contracted so they will have to trade for him.
Karl Amon expected to move to Hawthorn for 5 years @ $600k.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/812280/crows-big-bid-for-suns-star-who-s-leading-taranto-race-
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Is Taranto a free agent?
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Is Taranto a free agent?
No Ramps (FA in 2024) but Taranto is out of contract.
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Callum Twomey was asked on SEN Breakfast - Will Taranto be at the Giants next season?
“I think it’s highly unlikely, at this point,” he said.
“The way that things are moving, he’s had offers in front of him, a two-year deal, a four-year deal, longer and shorter-term options there for him.
“The way that Victorian clubs, particularly Collingwood and Richmond, are coming for him, I think it’s unlikely for him to be at the Giants next year.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/04/twomeys-update-on-taranto-banfield-rioli-and-more/
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Taranto wants to go to Collingwood. I've heard this first hand from a club insider.
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Taranto wants to go to Collingwood. I've heard this first hand from a club insider.
club as in ours or GWS?
im not sure he is that great anyway. reminds me of treloar but what would i know.
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Facebook rumour Willie Rioli to Richmond next season late 2nd or 3rd round pick headed the other way.
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Facebook rumour Willie Rioli to Richmond next season late 2nd or 3rd round pick headed the other way.
Saw that somewhere too probably FB.
3rd rounder is fine. Would have to be very late second for me like 40ish
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Hes 28 but still quick and besides imagine having 3 Rioli's in one team. Amazing!
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Hes 28 but still quick and besides imagine having 3 Rioli's in one team. Amazing!
Is that a record? I wonder if there was a threesome in recent years but can't remember.
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Taranto wants to go to Collingwood. I've heard this first hand from a club insider.
club as in ours or GWS?
im not sure he is that great anyway. reminds me of treloar but what would i know.
Pies.
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Facebook rumour Willie Rioli to Richmond next season late 2nd or 3rd round pick headed the other way.
Oh god! Please NO!
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To me it’s not the player but the type of player, we need key forwards and bull mids with those picks. Unless we got him for nothing , terribly sorry
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How is it that Collingwood are even in a position to chase players?
2 years ago they were basically giving their players away for free because their cap was stuffed. Aren’t they still paying a portion of Stephensons and Treloars contracts aswell? So how can they now be offering mcstay a long term contact at 650k and be going after Taranto too?
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According to Wide World of Sports, Franklin has informed the Swans that he will depart the club at the end of the 2022 season.
The report also says Franklin and his wife Jesinta are keen to move north for family reasons.
Sydney CEO Tom Harley has told Sportsday co-host and Swans champion Gerard Healy that the Franklin report is “news to him”.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/04/news-to-him-swans-respond-to-report-linking-franklin-to-rival/
... Waits for Sam McClure to regurgitate Dusty going to Sydney :facepalm.
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How is it that Collingwood are even in a position to chase players?
2 years ago they were basically giving their players away for free because their cap was stuffed. Aren’t they still paying a portion of Stephensons and Treloars contracts aswell? So how can they now be offering mcstay a long term contact at 650k and be going after Taranto too?
If they lose De Goey and Grundy, they'll be loaded
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Think we are still in the mix, it will be about money like always so if we can offer enough we might land him.
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How is it that Collingwood are even in a position to chase players?
2 years ago they were basically giving their players away for free because their cap was stuffed. Aren’t they still paying a portion of Stephensons and Treloars contracts aswell? So how can they now be offering mcstay a long term contact at 650k and be going after Taranto too?
I think they aren't paying Stephenson. Treloar yes some of it.
Grundy is way over paid IMO and I don't think De Goes is worth is so if they trade those two out then they could chase two players probably.
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Tigers and Cats set to fight it out for contracted Giant
GWS has a salary cap problem and if they need to move on contracted players, Jacob Hopper could be a very attractive prospect for some Victorian clubs.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-all-the-latest-afl-trade-draft-and-free-agency-news/news-story/9c33a56afeb7675287230c0f708a0c84
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If we are losing our top picks on one player who has missed a lot of footy we are in strife.
Smells like the hawks trade with Mitchell for me. Who is our FA target??? Paddy dow? :lol
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Rather Taranto.
Dow is a total no for me
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Dow is a D grade player. Our Dow is a C grade player at best. Id rather we didnt have either of them.
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We will cut lose 7 players imo.
We dont need Defenders this off season of any description unless they are too good to overlook.
What we do need is a couple of key forwards at least, 1 medium fwd and mids mids and more mids especially some big bulls.
Im hoping we get creative and rather than chase players from other clubs chase picks instead. Time to rebuild and accept we are in for some tougher times in the short term.
Be smart we need big inside bulls and big mids like Lipinski Keys are there every year and cheap. If we can get another pick say in the teens then its quality tall quality mid followed by quality mid. Load up on these two types and try to adress the shortcoming in these areas.
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Dow is a D grade player. Our Dow is a C grade player at best. Id rather we didnt have either of them.
Paddy Dow will complete our demise in this dynasty.
I would rather sign up Ross for 5 years.
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Dunkley what are everyone’s thoughts?
Did he train with us at one stage? If he is a FA I would consider,
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Dunkley what are everyone’s thoughts?
Did he train with us at one stage? If he is a FA I would consider,
Played a couple for our VFL team
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Dunkley what are everyone’s thoughts?
Did he train with us at one stage? If he is a FA I would consider,
Played a couple for our VFL team
100% however you’d think if he were going anywhere we’d have heard the whispers in the media.
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Dunkley what are everyone’s thoughts?
Did he train with us at one stage? If he is a FA I would consider,
Would be perfect, great player
But reckon he either stays at the kennel or will head to SA (that's been the whisper all year). His partner plays netball for the Adelaide team
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So after dumping players last couple of years the Pies are getting Taranto, Bobby Hill & McStay according to multiple media sources?
How does that work.
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I hate seeing these but how about this deal.
Hopper & Taranto for:
1st pick 2022 1st pick 2023 plus North pick 19
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Callum Twomey and Riley Beveridge on the AFL website's Trade Talk.
Go to 3:05 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/817561/pies-chasing-triple-treat-amon-intrigue-ramps-up
Do you see Taranto getting to Richmond?
Richmond or Collingwood are his likely destination. Giants have offered Taranto a two-year and four-year offer across the year. Different deals have been put to him but he's put off talks (until the end of the season). Tigers and Pies chasing that one pretty closely.
Tigers also interested in Jacob Hopper. Interesting to see if they can get both done or is it one or the other; which one if it is one or the other from a salary cap point of view and a trade capital point of view to get this done? Geelong also in the race for Hopper.
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So after dumping players last couple of years the Pies are getting Taranto, Bobby Hill & McStay according to multiple media sources?
How does that work.
According to Callum Twomey, by offloading Grundy (Melb & Geel interested) to free up salary cap space.
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So after dumping players last couple of years the Pies are getting Taranto, Bobby Hill & McStay according to multiple media sources?
How does that work.
According to Callum Twomey, by offloading Grundy (Melb & Geel interested) to free up salary cap space.
Seriously, how can Geelong have any money left?
As for Melbourne, if Grundy and Collingwood have proved that having the best ruckman in the game amounts to a hill of beans, are they trying to see what they can do with two hills of beans? Gawn not enough? Crazy.
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The Melbourne move is bizarre. Surely if they could afford Grundy they would just retain Jackson even with Collingwood covering a portion of his salary. Not to mention them already having Gawn, paying Grundy 700-800k a season (assuming pies cover 200-300k) for the next 6 years seems ridiculous.
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So after dumping players last couple of years the Pies are getting Taranto, Bobby Hill & McStay according to multiple media sources?
How does that work.
According to Callum Twomey, by offloading Grundy (Melb & Geel interested) to free up salary cap space.
Mitch Cleary on 7news saying Collingwood are willing to pay $300k per year of Grundy's contract for him to play elsewhere.
Combined with Treloar, that would mean the Pies would pay all up $2.4 million for two of their former players to play for other clubs.
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I hate seeing these but how about this deal.
Hopper & Taranto for:
1st pick 2022 1st pick 2023 plus North pick 19
Deal for me but we couldn't afford them unless we lost Dusty or another decently paid player.
We could surely afford one with Caddy, Lambert and hopefully Edwards retiring.
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So after dumping players last couple of years the Pies are getting Taranto, Bobby Hill & McStay according to multiple media sources?
How does that work.
According to Callum Twomey, by offloading Grundy (Melb & Geel interested) to free up salary cap space.
Mitch Cleary on 7news saying Collingwood are willing to pay $300k per year of Grundy's contract for him to play elsewhere.
Combined with Treloar, that would mean the Pies would pay all up $2.4 million for two of their former players to play for other clubs.
Mitch Cleary looks like the sort of guy that would have a gimp suit. I wouldn't believe anything that flog has to say.
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The Melbourne move is bizarre. Surely if they could afford Grundy they would just retain Jackson even with Collingwood covering a portion of his salary. Not to mention them already having Gawn, paying Grundy 700-800k a season (assuming pies cover 200-300k) for the next 6 years seems ridiculous.
They want to retain Jackson but he hasn't re-signed and put off contract talks.
Reckon Grundy is the back up plan if (when) Jackson leaves
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The Melbourne move is bizarre. Surely if they could afford Grundy they would just retain Jackson even with Collingwood covering a portion of his salary. Not to mention them already having Gawn, paying Grundy 700-800k a season (assuming pies cover 200-300k) for the next 6 years seems ridiculous.
They want to retain Jackson but hasn't re-signed and put off contract talks.
Reckon Grundy is the back up plan if (when) Jackson leaves
I thought they couldn’t match what was being offered to him? Can’t imagine they’re saving much money by picking up Grundy in his place even with Collingwood covering a portion of his wage. Then you think about whether it actually makes sense list wise and I just can’t see it. They have Gawn, the no.1 ruck in the game who will take the majority of the ruck contests. So they’d be committing 700-800k over 6 years to a 28 year old after a season in which he only played 5 or so games to be their no.2 ruck? Just a real head scratcher to me. Surely they need to be targeting a key forward or 2.
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So after dumping players last couple of years the Pies are getting Taranto, Bobby Hill & McStay according to multiple media sources?
How does that work.
According to Callum Twomey, by offloading Grundy (Melb & Geel interested) to free up salary cap space.
HTF can Geesook afford Grundy. Is there salary cap a bottomless pit?
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So after dumping players last couple of years the Pies are getting Taranto, Bobby Hill & McStay according to multiple media sources?
How does that work.
According to Callum Twomey, by offloading Grundy (Melb & Geel interested) to free up salary cap space.
HTF can Geesook afford Grundy. Is there salary cap a bottomless pit?
I could be wrong but I don’t think there are any massive contracts on their books. I think they even nabbed Dangerfield for around 800 a season.
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AFL Media’s Cal Twomey is reporting that Jacob Hopper is a good chance of getting to the Cats this trade period.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/10/cats-remain-right-in-the-mix-for-giants-gun-teammate-expected-to-leave/
BRISBANE is among the clubs with interest in out-of-contract Western Bulldogs midfielder Josh Dunkley. A call from Dunkley isn't expected before the end of the Dogs' season, as the Lions, Port Adelaide and Essendon show interest.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/817612/look-who-s-joined-dog-chase-gun-swan-in-talks-tippa-s-call
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WHY RIOLI TO RICHMOND “MAKES A LOT OF SENSE” TO HASLEBY
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
11 August 2022
Paul Hasleby says a move to Richmond makes sense for West Coast’s Willie Rioli.
The 27-year-old 2018 premiership forward is yet to sign a new contract with the Eagles despite the fact they have reportedly offered him a two-year deal to remain.
There is an obvious link to the Tigers given that Willie’s family members Daniel and Maurice Rioli play for the club.
Hasleby wrote about the Rioli situation in an article for The West Australian and further explained his thoughts on SEN WA Breakfast on Thursday.
“It’s just strange at this time of year, you look at the uncontracted players and Willie Rioli is still there,” said Hasleby.
“The West Coast Eagles need A-grade players, or potential A-grade players, under the age of 30 that are going to take the club forward.
“But still as we sit right now with two weeks to go, he remains unsigned. I think there’s a contract offer in front of him.
“The article is just about that. What are his options? Is he looking at his options? Are West Coast looking at their options with Willie? Because he has does have some trade currency.”
Rioli has been back playing for the Eagles in 2022 after a two-year doping ban.
While Hasleby would like to see him stay in Perth, he would not begrudge him moving to Melbourne to be closer to family.
All of this, of course, depends on if Richmond is actually interested.
“I hope he stays and finishes his career here and gets back to what he was. He just hasn’t been at that magnificent level,” Hasleby added.
“For a long time I’ve believed that he was the difference between them not winning more premierships or playing in more Grand Finals after 2018 because of his absence. He’s that important to them.
“It was expected after two years off that he probably wouldn’t get to that level straight away. With another pre-season he could do that here.
“Or you look at other clubs. I look at Richmond and I look at all the players that they’ve targeted in recent times - Marlion Pickett, Matthew Parker as well, and you’ve seen Shai Bolton and what he’s done this year.
“Could they do it again with Willie Rioli?
“With what’s happened with his family circumstances and his old man passing away, being close to family, cousins, nephews, it makes a lot of sense to go there.
“Maybe Damien Hardwick can get the absolute best out of him.
“Clearly he may be thinking like that, maybe I’ve made it up, but I think there’s an avenue there for him to take his time and select what’s best for Willie.”
Hasleby does not believe Rioli owes anything to the Eagles despite them supporting him through his two years out of the game.
“All these people would have their own opinion on Willie and the West Coast Eagles and that he owes them for what they’ve been through,” he said further.
“I don’t think it’s about that. I think he needs to make the right decision for him and his family going forward that’s going to give him the best chance of being happy, first and foremost, but then getting back to the level he was at prior to his ban.”
Rioli played his 50th game for West Coast in last Sunday’s loss to Adelaide. He has kicked 60 goals for the club.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/11/why-rioli-to-richmond-makes-a-lot-of-sense/
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Hopper to Geelong has been strong all the way through. Wr have to go all in on Taranto and Fogarty and try not to wreck our picks completely.
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WHY RIOLI TO RICHMOND “MAKES A LOT OF SENSE” TO HASLEBY
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
11 August 2022
Paul Hasleby says a move to Richmond makes sense for West Coast’s Willie Rioli.
The 27-year-old 2018 premiership forward is yet to sign a new contract with the Eagles despite the fact they have reportedly offered him a two-year deal to remain.
There is an obvious link to the Tigers given that Willie’s family members Daniel and Maurice Rioli play for the club.
Hasleby wrote about the Rioli situation in an article for The West Australian and further explained his thoughts on SEN WA Breakfast on Thursday.
“It’s just strange at this time of year, you look at the uncontracted players and Willie Rioli is still there,” said Hasleby.
“The West Coast Eagles need A-grade players, or potential A-grade players, under the age of 30 that are going to take the club forward.
“But still as we sit right now with two weeks to go, he remains unsigned. I think there’s a contract offer in front of him.
“The article is just about that. What are his options? Is he looking at his options? Are West Coast looking at their options with Willie? Because he has does have some trade currency.”
Rioli has been back playing for the Eagles in 2022 after a two-year doping ban.
While Hasleby would like to see him stay in Perth, he would not begrudge him moving to Melbourne to be closer to family.
All of this, of course, depends on if Richmond is actually interested.
“I hope he stays and finishes his career here and gets back to what he was. He just hasn’t been at that magnificent level,” Hasleby added.
“For a long time I’ve believed that he was the difference between them not winning more premierships or playing in more Grand Finals after 2018 because of his absence. He’s that important to them.
“It was expected after two years off that he probably wouldn’t get to that level straight away. With another pre-season he could do that here.
“Or you look at other clubs. I look at Richmond and I look at all the players that they’ve targeted in recent times - Marlion Pickett, Matthew Parker as well, and you’ve seen Shai Bolton and what he’s done this year.
“Could they do it again with Willie Rioli?
“With what’s happened with his family circumstances and his old man passing away, being close to family, cousins, nephews, it makes a lot of sense to go there.
“Maybe Damien Hardwick can get the absolute best out of him.
“Clearly he may be thinking like that, maybe I’ve made it up, but I think there’s an avenue there for him to take his time and select what’s best for Willie.”
Hasleby does not believe Rioli owes anything to the Eagles despite them supporting him through his two years out of the game.
“All these people would have their own opinion on Willie and the West Coast Eagles and that he owes them for what they’ve been through,” he said further.
“I don’t think it’s about that. I think he needs to make the right decision for him and his family going forward that’s going to give him the best chance of being happy, first and foremost, but then getting back to the level he was at prior to his ban.”
Rioli played his 50th game for West Coast in last Sunday’s loss to Adelaide. He has kicked 60 goals for the club.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/11/why-rioli-to-richmond-makes-a-lot-of-sense/
Can't see this happening and not sure we need him.
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Seems as though we're a secondary consideration as a destination last few years.
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If he was a few years younger I would Defs consider but 27 going on 28 I’d rather get games into Stacky and MRJ. Wouldn’t be against it though for the right price but we have bigger needs then another small forward.
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He's not coming to Punt Rd.
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Willie Rioli will be at @WestCoastEagles next season, and beyond.
The out-of-contract forward and WC are close to finalising a deal, with only minor details to be ticked off.
Delay is due to the recent death of Willie’s father.
@7NewsPerth
https://twitter.com/FootyRhino/status/1557930693631811584
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Dodged a bullet there.
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Dodged a bullet there.
Yep
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Dodged a bullet there.
Yep
X3. Zero interest
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Harvey Norman
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I'll take Rioli with open arms his game breaker and match winner.
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Harvey Norman
"Go!" (?)
Had we got him I was thinking more "Ken Bruce has gone mad!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGIytePrRI
KEN BRUCE HAS GONE COMPLETELY MAAAAAD!
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Harvey Norman
"Go!" (?)
Had we got him I was thinking more "Ken Bruce has gone mad!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGIytePrRI
KEN BRUCE HAS GONE COMPLETELY MAAAAAD!
Harvey Norman = Interest Free
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Harvey Norman
"Go!" (?)
Had we got him I was thinking more "Ken Bruce has gone mad!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGIytePrRI
KEN BRUCE HAS GONE COMPLETELY MAAAAAD!
Harvey Norman = Interest Free
Ohhhhh lol gotchya :lol
I have a feeling he would have been interest free too.
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Sam Edmund on SEN:
De Goey will either be at Collingwood or St Kilda next year. I think if you’re a betting man you’re putting your chips in the Collingwood corner at the moment and he stays at the price that is right for Collingwood.
Brodie Grundy is on (for a trade) at the moment. Rule out GWS, but he was blown away by the Melbourne presentation I’m told. Doesn't mean he can get to the Dees. Similar thing happened with Cerra who liked Melbourne but they didn’t have the levers to pull to get him in the door so he ended up going to Carlton.
Brisbane have enquired about Jack Gunston.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/13/sam-edmunds-trade-update-on-de-goey-grundy-gunston-and-more/
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Sam Edmund on SEN part II (relevant to Richmond):
RICHMOND “COMING HARD” FOR TARANTO AS THE TWO GENUINE CONTENDERS EMERGE
By Seb Mottram
SEN
13 August 2022
Richmond is right in the mix for Tim Taranto, reports SEN’s Sam Edmund.
The 2016 No.2 pick is widely tipped to leave the Giants at the conclusion of the 2022 season, with the club reportedly believing they can cover his loss and are against paying a hefty contract for him.
He was drafted out of the Sandringham Dragons and is all but certain to return home to Victoria should he seek a trade. Collingwood was the original front-runner, but Edmund believes the Tigers are “coming hard”.
Geelong is the other club understood to be in the mix.
“Tim Taranto is a really interesting watch at the moment,” he said on SEN’s Crunch Time.
“Richmond are right in the mix here. I know he’s been linked heavily with Collingwood, but Richmond (is) coming hard for Tim Taranto as well.
“So the Pies have a dog in the fight here, Geelong to some extent as well, even though the Cats like the idea of Jacob Hopper in the hoops next year.”
The Tigers' interest makes sense given Dion Prestia's and Dustin Martin's injury troubles this season, while Kane Lambert has retired and Shane Edwards' best footy is behind him.
Taranto, Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill are seen as the four Giants set to leave the club in the upcoming trade period.
Taranto and Hopper have both featured as two of the club’s primary on-ballers in recent years and could become elite midfielders of the competition as they enter their prime.
“So they’re slightly different, neither have reached free agent status, Taranto is 24, Hopper is 25, but Taranto is out of contract and Hopper is not,” Edmund continued.
“So logically speaking Jacob Hopper will be harder to acquire, but that’s the path the Cats want to go down.
“So Tim Taranto, if you’re sitting here right now, you’re saying he’s either going to be at Punt Road or Collingwood next year.”
Taranto is averaging 25.9 disposals, 4.1 inside 50s and 3.8 clearances throughout his 15 games in 2022.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/13/richmond-coming-hard-for-taranto-as-the-two-genuine-contenders-emerge/
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Nothing new but Twomey just repeating we're still into chasing Hopper and Taranto.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/823983/-watch-this-space-on-hawks-star-zurhaar-future-up-in-the-air
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TIGERS ‘EDGE AHEAD’ OF PIES IN RACE FOR GUN MID
Richmond reportedly leads the race for young GWS star Tim Taranto, reports AFL Media’s Cal Twomey.
Collingwood is the other leading suitor for the Giants midfielder, who appears almost certain to join a number of teammates in leaving the NSW club this off-season.
Salary cap issues mean the Giants cannot re-sign both Taranto and Jacob Hopper - the latter is contracted for one more year, while Taranto is out of contract but not a free agent - and they are willing to undergo a “reset” and let several players leave this year.
Bobby Hill and Tanner Bruhn are also expected to depart.
Taranto, the Giants’ best and fairest winner in their 2019 Grand Final season, appears more likely to join the Tigers than the Magpies at this stage.
Collingwood’s off-season and cap scenario is likely to be more complicated with Daniel McStay joining the club, Bobby Hill and Billy Frampton linked to them and the Jordan De Goey contract issue needing to be resolved.
“I think the Tigers have edged ahead (of Collingwood) for Taranto,” Twomey reported on SEN Breakfast.
“They have had interest in Jacob Hopper, but if you’re putting a market on it that Geelong would be favourites for Hopper and that would leave the Tigers to go a bit more all-in on Taranto.
“I do think the Pies have had interest in him for a fair while now. A lot might depend on salary cap space and what happens with Jordan De Goey.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-tim-taranto-to-richmond-collingwood-gws-deal-lewis-melican-willing-to-leave-sydney/news-story/23fe05f84538b01cf2e960c8df51d20e
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Collingwood are FOS. Should have no money. Make your damn minds up.
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Love to hear it. Will be a great addition to our midfield if we can get this through. Only 24 yo too about to hit the prime of his career.
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Who the stuff would go to Collingwood on big money these days.
Look at Treloar and Grundy. They offer them big, back-ended contracts and as soon as the premiership window shuts boom they are being shipped around and trashed to the media like Treloar was.
Richmond back ended Lynch and Dusty and we are bloody paying them despite dropping down the ladder. That's loyalty to your players.
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Tiger71 and Crock's trade talk on BF's podcast last night:
Starts around 36:00 min mark: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1561663133197815808
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Summary:
* Taranto is 85%-to-a-"lock" to come to Richmond. Between us and GWS. New coach (Kingsley) convincing him to stay the only thing that could put a spanner in the works.
* Hopper also a chance but less likely compared to Taranto (60%) as being contracted makes it harder. Again new coach may convince him to stay and GWS will try to keep him if they lose Taranto. Geelong now more interested in Tanner Bruhn or De Goey (if they win the flag and Dangerfield retires).
* We won't be going after Tom Green while he is contracted. He is also a very loyal kid.
* We're showing interest in Gold Coast's Darcy MacPherson who is a medium forward/midfielder.
* The noise about Junior (Willie) Rioli coming to Richmond won't go away. Still hasn't signed with the Eagles. The biggest noise is he will retire but if he plays on it won't be at West Coast. With his dad passing away he wants to be closer to family. So the noise linking him to us won't go away.
* Fogarty is less likely now. We have shown interest.
* No to both Matt Crouch and Blake Acres.
* We're going to be creative with our picks (currently 12, 19 and 30). May use them, a future first rounder and fringe players to get deals done.
* Kingsley at GWS may help us get trades done. He may take players off us he likes and knows well. Also GWS can't bring in A-graders via trades to replace those going out as they need TPP relief. So they may be willing to accept other players along with draft picks.
* RCD doesn't have the attributes to fit our system. Fracture between him and Dimma last year (almost traded) which hasn't fully been mended. So he may become part of a trade.
* Soldo could also be a name thrown up as ruckman are sought after.
* The Club feels we have depth in the backline. So we're targeting both forwards and mids.
* Cotch is playing on next year (unless of course he cops some sort of a serious injury).
* Jack Riewoldt playing on depends on our TPP and what deals get done. If the TPP is increased by 5% as the Club is hoping for then Jack may get another year.
* A player to keep an eye out on that we may have interest in during next year's trade period is Hawthorn's Jacob Koschitzke.
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Interesting info. Taranto would be a huge get. I’d like to keep our picks too.
RCD sounds like trade bait, I wonder what attributes he is missing that say Castagna or Aarts have that had them play so many games.
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Interesting info. Taranto would be a huge get. I’d like to keep our picks too.
RCD sounds like trade bait, I wonder what attributes he is missing that say Castagna or Aarts have that had them play so many games.
Yes you do wonder
Seeing the coach has said numerous times they see him playing the Cotchin role
And what was I saying about favourites :whistle
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But it’s BF lads. So we know it’s made up….
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IZAK Rankine has informed Gold Coast of his desire to continue his career in South Australia.
Rankine told the Suns on Tuesday morning he wanted to explore a trade to Adelaide.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/829120/rank-out-suns-gun-asks-for-trade-to-hometown-club
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Tiger71 and Crock's trade talk on BF's podcast last night:
Starts around 36:00 min mark: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1561663133197815808
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Summary:
* Taranto is 85%-to-a-"lock" to come to Richmond. Between us and GWS. New coach (Kingsley) convincing him to stay the only thing that could put a spanner in the works.
Keen on him! Get it done Tiges
* Hopper also a chance but less likely compared to Taranto (60%) as being contracted makes it harder. Again new coach may convince him to stay and GWS will try to keep him if they lose Taranto. Geelong now more interested in Tanner Bruhn or De Goey (if they win the flag and Dangerfield retires).
Less keen, injury concerns
* We won't be going after Tom Green while he is contracted. He is also a very loyal kid.
Pffft why wait, try and get him ASAP
* We're showing interest in Gold Coast's Darcy MacPherson who is a medium forward/midfielder.
Meh
* The noise about Junior (Willie) Rioli coming to Richmond won't go away. Still hasn't signed with the Eagles. The biggest noise is he will retire but if he plays on it won't be at West Coast. With his dad passing away he wants to be closer to family. So the noise linking him to us won't go away.
Also meh
* Fogarty is less likely now. We have shown interest.
Bummer, very keen since he was drafted. Now he's showing the talent I know he had so I doubt we can get him
* No to both Matt Crouch and Blake Acres. \\
Thank goodness
* We're going to be creative with our picks (currently 12, 19 and 30). May use them, a future first rounder and fringe players to get deals done.
Happy to go the draft personally but if the right player is available I trust the club to trade accordingly
* Kingsley at GWS may help us get trades done. He may take players off us he likes and knows well. Also GWS can't bring in A-graders via trades to replace those going out as they need TPP relief. So they may be willing to accept other players along with draft picks.
Don't know who we have with currency personally that I'd trade
* RCD doesn't have the attributes to fit our system. Fracture between him and Dimma last year (almost traded) which hasn't fully been mended. So he may become part of a trade.
Strange comment. I think he's worth a shot but maybe the club has written him off. Shame
* Soldo could also be a name thrown up as ruckman are sought after.
Open to this but who do we have if Nank goes down?
* The Club feels we have depth in the backline. So we're targeting both forwards and mids.
Thank goodness for this. Mids and KPFs our biggest need for 2-3 years previously
* Cotch is playing on next year (unless of course he cops some sort of a serious injury).
Great news
* Jack Riewoldt playing on depends on our TPP and what deals get done. If the TPP is increased by 5% as the Club is hoping for then Jack may get another year.
Disappointed if TPP cap is the reason he doesn't go on
* A player to keep an eye out on that we may have interest in during next year's trade period is Hawthorn's Jacob Koschitzke.
Interesting. Shows a bit but not as much as Lewis
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Sam Edmund on SEN today:
Tim Taranto (GWS)
“Tim Taranto is on the radar at Collingwood as he is at Richmond.
“He’s set to make a decision on his future by the end of the week. GWS doing their exit interviews at the moment.
“He will meet Adam Kingsley. He was determined to meet whoever the new coach was going to be out of respect.
“If we’re talking about Taranto, Hopper, Hill, Bruhn – they’ve really dug in, GWS, on keeping Taranto.
“They’ve had a two-year offer and a four-year contract offer on the table for him since mid-year.
“He’s the one that GWS want to keep. Whether he reciprocates that enthusiasm remains to be seen.”
Jacob Hopper (GWS)
“Targeted a long way out by Geelong.
“I think the Cats offer maybe a first-rounder for him and it’s done.
“Hopper’s 26 in February, he does have a year to run on that contract, but I think he’s the one the Cats are absolutely after.”
Junior Rioli (West Coast)
“Out of contract at West Coast, future well and truly up in the air at the moment.
“He’s got an offer from the Eagles, financially, that offer is light.
“This is a decision that goes well beyond the boundary line.
“I think it’s fair to say Junior likes life at West Coast, he would be keen to say, but he’s got some significant family logistics to work through and what that looks like will shape where he plays next year.
“He’s got a lot of extended family in Melbourne, a city that offers his immediate family more support than in Perth, it just depends on what Junior wants to do.
“His exit meeting is taking place at West Coast today.”
More about other players not linked to Richmond here:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/23/edmunds-mega-trade-update-on-taranto-jackson-gunston-rioli-and-more/
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Yeah they were Defs saying the same thing about Lynch. I don’t think pies can move without knowing what is happening with de goey and Grundy either which works in our favour.
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Sources insist Geelong is invested in trading for both Hopper and Grundy in a year they could also win the premiership.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/24/could-geelong-pull-off-a-stunning-double-trade-heist/
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GIANTS KEEN TO RETAIN RICHMOND, COLLINGWOOD, GEELONG TARGETS TARANTO AND HOPPER
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
24 August 2022
GWS Giants’ GM of Football Jason McCartney has commented on two key players who are continually being linked with a move away from the club.
Star Giants midfielders Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper are the pair who could potentially be out the door this year.
Taranto, 24, is out of contract and being linked to both Richmond and Collingwood, while Hopper, 25, is being earmarked for a shift to Geelong.
McCartney admits GWS would love to retain both on-ballers and the job is now in front of the club and new coach Adam Kingsley to make that the case.
Does McCartney see both those players staying with the Giants in 2023?
“It’s hard to answer, but Tim’s easy, Tim’s out of contract,” McCartney said on SEN Breakfast.
“So he’s got a call to make. We would love to retain Tim. Tim has been a wonderful player for our club over the last six years.
“He was a best and fairest winner in a Grand Final year (2019), so we’d love to be able to retain Tim. Obviously the opportunity for him to speak with the new coach in Adam Kingsley over the next few days will be important.
“But Jacob is contracted and that will be something we’ll need to sit down with Jacob and work through with his management, whether it’s retaining (him) and playing a really important role in our midfield or is he keen to explore some opportunities elsewhere.
“Those conversations have been with management all year, but with the players we just finished some medical reviews and some reviews of their season.
“Those in-depth contract conversations haven’t been had directly with the players as yet.”
McCartney also commented on the club’s proposed ‘salary cap dump’ which includes the likes of Taranto and Hopper exiting.
Read more at: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/23/giants-keen-to-retain-richmond-collingwood-geelong-targets-taranto-and/
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St Kilda is chasing Collingwood free agent Jordan De Goey with soon-to-be CEO Simon Lethlean confirming the board had ticked off the move.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-geelong-cats-brodie-grundy-jacob-hopper-izak-rankine-adelaide-crows-offer-contract-gold-coast-suns/news-story/4c417532c2109cc4b0070aa41572e47a
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Port Adelaide midfielder Karl Amon has nominated Hawthorn as his next home from 2023.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/830054/karl-s-call-wantaway-power-midfielder-nominates-club-of-choice
Edit:
Port Adelaide has registered interest in Junior (Willie) Rioli.
North Melbourne has also expressed interest in Rioli, with the Roos in the market to add to their forward line scoring power. Rioli has links in Victoria, too, having boarded at Scotch College during his school days before heading to the SANFL.
West Coast has remained confident Rioli will stay at the club, with coach Adam Simpson on Friday telling SEN the Eagles were "hoping we can get it done in the next few weeks" and re-sign the brilliant goalkicker.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/830136/clubs-flag-interest-in-unsigned-eagles-forward
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The Dimma briefing was probably the best, most informative & enjoyable ‘non-football’ hour I’ve spent at Richmond.
Like being at a team meeting that we’ve only seen on video before. Made one very interesting comment on a potential recruit.
He didn’t mention names but he met with someone the night before who wanted to come to Richmond because of who we are off field & the way we do things like the Hurley situation as much as on. The way he spoke, I think it was someone other than Taranto who’s been public knowledge
https://twitter.com/MelbFabulist/status/1563095767455113217
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Foxsports Q&A trade talk this arvo:
Q. When will Taranto announce his intentions?
David Zita: I think we will know very soon, tipping this week.
Q. Thinking Richmond for Taranto?
David Zita: I think Richmond is the one at this stage, Collingwood focused on McStay, Hill and potential Grundy trade.
Q: Will Hopper be out of GWS or the new coach wanting to keep him?
David Zita: I think he and Taranto will both go but at the very least one won't be there next year. Giants happy to clear up cap space as part of a mini reset under Kingsley.
Q: Where does Geelong keep finding this extra cash?
David Zita: Players don't get paid overs there and they've had a steady stream of veteran retirements that means money can be shifted around on deals for recruits etc. Richmond doing similar!
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RICHMOND
Players that could leave
The enigma remains Dustin Martin. There have been countless showings of faith in Martin and a belief he will see out at least the next year of his current deal, which expires at the end of 2024. Still, we’ve seen far stranger things transpire in trade periods, so there’s always a chance something changes before that period is out. Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt are yet to re-sign, but they won’t play elsewhere.
Players that could arrive
Tim Taranto could very well be in the yellow and black jumper next year as he weighs up his future at Greater Western Sydney. He’s the major watch this space player for the Tigers, who aren’t linked to a stack of players this off-season.
Who’s already gone
Josh Caddy (retired), Kane Lambert (retired), Matthew Parker (delisted), Shane Edwards (retired)
Draft picks
12, 19 (via North Melbourne), 30, 84
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-trade-period-state-of-play-every-player-linked-to-move-deals-picks-who-will-be-traded/news-story/f6af5d77e74d854f3ed4efb4c1344d69
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Five off-season targets for EVERY AFL club: Richmond
Who could the Tigers add to their next wave of young talent?
Jack Jovanovski
zerohanger.con
August 30, 2022 - 4:09PM
Richmond, off the back of an impressive bounce-back 2022 season, is preparing to embark on a fifth finals campaign in six seasons; symbolic of the club's list management successes over the course of the past decade.
Acquiring the likes of Dion Prestia, Toby Nankervis, Josh Caddy and Tom Lynch in recent off-seasons has helped spur the Tigers to premierships in 2017, 2019 and 2020, and they will hope future acquisitions can help aid further flag runs in the years to come.
Richmond signed lockdown defender Robbie Tarrant this past off-season and he has proven very valuable to the Tigers' cause this season, whether he's been among Richmond's best 22 or merely acting as quality defensive depth.
The Tigers are likely to be players during the upcoming trade and free agency period, as there will be holes to fill left by the likes of retiring stalwarts Shane Edwards along with the aforementioned Caddy, and veteran superstars Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt edging increasingly closer to the end of their playing days.
All of that being said, we've compiled a list, in no particular order, of five targets that Richmond could target this off-season to help bolster its 2023 playing list.
1. Tim Taranto (GWS Giants)
The Tigers' reported pursuit of GWS' Taranto has gained steam in recent days, with league insider Tom Browne reporting Collingwood has cooled its interest in the Giants midfielder, perhaps as a result of Taranto beginning to lean towards joining Richmond.
An acquisition of Taranto would indubitably boost the Tigers' midfield stocks, adding another big-bodied presence alongside contested-ball merchant, Dion Prestia.
Taranto has also demonstrated his ability to go forward and kick majors throughout his six years in the AFL, posting a career average of 0.4 goals per game despite predominantly damaging the opposition through the middle of the ground.
As the 24-year-old Sandringham Dragons product is a non-free-agent, Richmond officials will seek to strike a trade agreement with the GWS hierarchy, with a first-round draft selection likely to be the minimum compensation for a player of Taranto's quality.
2. Rory Lobb (Fremantle)
Riewoldt's retirement, as previously mentioned, is imminent. Whether its imminence is the conclusion of this year's finals series or the end of next season, Riewoldt's days are numbered.
The Tigers boast another spearhead forward by the name of Tom J. Lynch, but it could be argued he can't do it all on his own, which would spark a need for another key forward.
In 2022, Lobb has showcased his impressive high-marking tendencies, as well as a knack for snagging goals from improbable angles. In short, he's had a career-best year and, rightly, will be high in demand come the free agency and trade period.
Lobb has been rumoured to be heading to The Kennel to play for the Bulldogs next season, but a late Richmond charge cannot be ruled out.
Either way, Lobb is not out of contract until next season, meaning an exchange would need to be agreed upon by both sides, with the Tigers possessing the necessary draft capital.
3. Darcy MacPherson (Gold Coast Suns)
It's no secret the Tigers adore small forwards. Their premiership teams of 2017-20 were built off the back of forward pressure applied by the likes of Daniel Rioli, Jason Castagna and Dan Butler.
Now, the next wave of Richmond small forwards has arrived in the form of promising father-son prospect Maurice Rioli Jr. and academy selection Noah Cumberland.
Gold Coast's MacPherson, currently out of contract but a non-free-agent, fits the Richmond pressure-small-forward mould.
The Suns, who have bigger fish to fry in terms of player retention, are unlikely to drive a hard bargain for the 24-year-old Northern Knights product, who has been a fringe best-22 player throughout the majority of his time on the Sunshine Coast.
If nothing more, MacPherson would provide Damien Hardwick with adequate depth in the forward half, especially as the likes of Rioli Jr. and Cumberland continue on their roads of development.
As seen with Liam Baker, the Tigers could get the most out of the hard-nosed MacPherson across multiple positions.
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4. Tom Green (GWS Giants)
It would appear unlikely, if reports are correct, but if Collingwood was to land Taranto, the Tigers might look to pursue a similar Giants midfielder by the name of Tom Green.
The 21-year-old Green has Tigerland pedigree, with his grandfather, Michael, a four-time premiership hero and member of the club's Team of the Century.
However, unlike Taranto, Green is under contract at the Giants for the 2023 season, meaning the likelihood of Richmond being able to strike a trade this off-season is low, unless Green desperately wants out.
GWS' coaching situation - now settled, having just hired Richmond midfield assistant Adam Kingsley to take the reins - may sway Green to stay in New South Wales a while longer.
5. Jackson Nelson (West Coast Eagles)
Nelson, having served eight years in the league, is currently an unrestricted free agent, meaning he could depart the West Coast Eagles this year without any resistance.
Nelson played his junior football in Victoria, so a move home shouldn't be an unexpected development.
Throughout his time playing for the Eagles, Nelson has provided hardness at the contest and a ferocious attack on the ball, qualities every AFL coach adores.
As seasoned Tigers Marlion Pickett and Kamdyn McIntosh enter the twilight years of their careers, there may soon be openings at the wing position for somebody such as Nelson, who may not want to spend his prime years at the rebuilding Eagles.
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https://www.zerohanger.com/five-off-season-targets-for-every-afl-club-richmond-126607/5/
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Taranto yes please
Lobby no
Green if we can yes
MacPherson and Nelson would cost nothing so free hits but nothing to get excited about. Mac at least a good size and likes a tackle
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Tom Mitchell is exploring a trade away from Hawthorn.
Collingwood among clubs made aware of the situation. Pies had been looking at Tim Taranto but he's more likely at Richmond.
The Hawks trying to get mins into Ward/Newcombe/Worpel + have an interest in GWS 20yo Tanner Bruhn
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1564901027836731392
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Sam McClure said he "thinks" Hopper wants to play for a big Melbourne club and Hopper is thinking very heavily about Richmond. Hopper also has a big offer from Geelong.
McClure added that if Dusty leaves then Richmond can afford both Taranto and Hopper. Tigers can afford only one of them if Dusty stays.
Gold Coast losing Rankine means they have now salary cap space so Dusty is more gettable now than a month ago.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1564945851063091200
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Would anybody entertain a trade for Tom Mitchell?
Don't jump down my throat, hear me out - because yes I don't rate him as 'highly damaging' but IMO he's a decent inside extractor.
If he was gettable for our pick 30 (likely to slide to at least 35) and could be re-negotiated to say a 3 year deal on 400-450/year, would it be worth considering?
He's 30 in May so should have 2-3 solid years in him at least but I guess he probably doesn't fit our age profile unless we think we're going to challenge again in those years.
Not often we find diamonds around pick 35 but at least Mitchell could be a solid contributor for 40-60 games if we're having another crack.
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Geelong are a chance for Grundy?
Why don't the media ever question how it is even possible.
They don't have draft picks, they shouldn't have cap space, they wouldn't trade any of their kids. I don't get it.
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Geelong are a chance for Grundy?
Why don't the media ever question how it is even possible.
They don't have draft picks, they shouldn't have cap space, they wouldn't trade any of their kids. I don't get it.
Lots of their players are veterans whose wages are partially outside the cap I believe. Although I think the AFL was looking to reduce this?
Personally I'd love RFC to go after Grundy if Collingwood is prepared to pay $300k of his wage as reported. Not sure how we could do it without moving on someone like Dusty, but TBH we have figured out how to win without Dusty this year and if he wants to go I am open to it.
Wages out:
Dusty
Edwards
Caddy
Lambert
Parker (minimal coin obviously)
Should be over $2million there
Wages in:
Taranto $700k
Grundy $700k
Bolton contract/pay rise
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Sam McClure said he "thinks" Hopper wants to play for a big Melbourne club and Hopper is thinking very heavily about Richmond. Hopper also has a big offer from Geelong.
McClure added that if Dusty leaves then Richmond can afford both Taranto and Hopper. Tigers can afford only one of them if Dusty stays.
Gold Coast losing Rankine means they have now salary cap space so Dusty is more gettable now than a month ago.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1564945851063091200
DUSTY A KEY SHAPER OF TRADE PERIOD
Richmond star Dustin Martin could be “the linchpin” of the upcoming trade period, according to Nine reporter Sam McClure.
Martin has two years to run on a contract with Richmond worth over $1 million, but there have been reports throughout the year the 31-year-old is weighing up a potential move interstate at season’s end.
Speaking on Channel Nine’s Footy Classified, McClure said Martin “could stay at Richmond, but I think he’s going to have to be convinced to do that”, while explaining the ramifications of a potential move.
“He now looms, this man, as the linchpin I think for what is going to happen in the trade period,” he said.
“We know he’s on $1.3 million for the next two seasons, he’s been umming and ahhing, he’s been telling people that he doesn’t love football anymore, maybe he needs a change of location, a change of geography.”
Greater Western Sydney pair Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper are “both going” to leave, according to McClure, meaning a Martin departure could clear up sufficient cap space for the Tigers to secure both players.
Geelong is also interested in Hopper, with McClure saying the Cats were now “out of the race for Jordan De Goey”, while Gold Coast’s pending loss of Izak Rankine to Adelaide means Martin “is far more gettable than he was a month ago” from a salary cap point of view for the Suns.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-trade-whispers-latest-dustin-martin-contract-junior-rioli-ben-long-alastair-clarkson-player-movement/news-story/7720ed9bf9242a9730f929d78d59e7d0
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Aaron Francis wants a trade from Essendon. He could be good key defender depth seeing as we have virtually none. I recall watching him play some decent games in the backline too. Would trade Castagna for him in a heart beat
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Francis yuck.
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We need target needs and age , not any and every player being discarded by their current side
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Aaron Francis wants a trade from Essendon. He could be good key defender depth seeing as we have virtually none. I recall watching him play some decent games in the backline too. Would trade Castagna for him in a heart beat
IMO an under sized B grader. Not for me thanks. Surely he has a better role elsewhere maybe wing or half forward
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We need 2 x A Grade mids
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I would be looking at a Bobby Hill type. Imagine in a season if we didn’t have MRJ who have we got to keep the ball inside F50.I want to see more of Clarke to see if he has any defensive pressure.
We need to wake up because if we fall asleep during trade week like we did last year, then expect another year of the same.
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The time has come for us to get ultra aggressive on the trade front.
I don't agree with Dimma comments that we have great talent coming through in the VFL. Happy to be proven wrong and there are some good players there.
Sick of players always going to other clubs, let's have a crack at others not just Taranto.
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Geelong are a chance for Grundy?
Why don't the media ever question how it is even possible.
They don't have draft picks, they shouldn't have cap space, they wouldn't trade any of their kids. I don't get it.
Lots of their players are veterans whose wages are partially outside the cap I believe. Although I think the AFL was looking to reduce this?
Personally I'd love RFC to go after Grundy if Collingwood is prepared to pay $300k of his wage as reported. Not sure how we could do it without moving on someone like Dusty, but TBH we have figured out how to win without Dusty this year and if he wants to go I am open to it.
The veterans list went a few years back. So all that money's include now
Read a very interesting article about Geelong and how it handles its cap. The article focused on how they got Jeremy Cameron.
First thing that stood out was Cameron is on less at Geelong than he was at the Giants. But also Dangerfield took less to go to the Cats. Article said he was offered more that would have made him the highest player in the game to go to other Cubs but he knocked it back.
Also said that they rarely do back ended contracts, their top liners have always taken less to keep the list together because they regularly play finals. Again used Dangerfield as example, while he maybe their highest paid it isn't like 500k more than the next highest paid.
They also if they are after a Cameron they need space they will look at players with say a year left and work in new terms and do an extension. So say player A is in the last year of a deal and they are on $600k they will work on that players extension and give then a further say 2 years spreading the $600k over their last year and new 2 years. Freeing up cap space to get a Cameron. All Clubs do it just some do it so much better than others.
Throw in older blokes just taking cuts or retiring and you have a space quickly.
Biggest thing though was the want that players have to have success ( = regular finals) directly correlates to managing your cap. Geelong is consistently in finals, yes they lose them but they make finals. Players want that and some will forgo $$ to play finals
That's why we are now considered a destination Club because we are successful
We will free up cap space this year with the retirements and both Cotchin and Riewoldt taking cuts. So we can go after and get a Taranto :thumbsup
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I think the Cats also offer very generous land deals
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It’s cost of living down there is cheaper - reverse cola if you will. It’s 25-30% cheaper to live in that hole which means players get bigger bang for buck.
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Despite Richmond reportedly being over the line in their pursuit of Taranto, their interest in Hopper is understood to remain alive, with Triple M reporter Tom Browne flagging this week that the Punt Road side are still a sniff as they look to potentially spoil the Cats' party.
"Whilst the prevailing view is that Hopper is locked into Geelong... it's still a big choice for Hopper because Richmond remain in the race.
"He still has to make that decision. It's most likely Geelong, but Richmond [are] still in the race. If Hopper chose Richmond clearly they'd have to clear more salary space."
https://www.zerohanger.com/giants-bull-jacob-hopper-tipped-to-join-geelong-tigers-still-in-race-afl-trade-news-gws-126892/
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It’s all happening at Richmond! Trent Cotchin has been offered an extension AND they still plan on landing both Taranto & Hopper. @TomBrowne7 👇
https://twitter.com/triplemfooty/status/1566640634337042432
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LISTEN HERE: https://www.triplem.com.au/story/taranto-hopper-still-both-trade-targets-for-richmond-205443
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AFL.com reporting we met with hopper today.
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JACOB Hopper has met with Richmond as the Greater Western Sydney star weighs up his future.
Hopper is contracted to the Giants for next year but, as AFL.com.au revealed in July, has been considering a move to Victoria.
Geelong and the Tigers are pursuing the gun midfielder, with the Tigers set to land fellow Giants midfielder Tim Taranto.
It is understood Hopper met with the Tigers on Monday as the 25-year-old gets closer to making a decision on his preferred destination, with the Giants in a position to smooth their salary cap situation if he and Taranto depart.
Hopper played only seven games this season as he dealt with a knee injury, having been third in the Giants' best and fairest in 2021 when he was an All-Australian squad member.
He is a pre-agent, meaning he is a year out from hitting free agency, which would require a trade to be struck if he moved clubs.
Hopper is a graduate of the Giants' Academy, having been a top-10 selection in 2015 but he boarded at school in Ballarat before being drafted.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/837156
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Landing Hopper and Taranto would require pick 12 19 and our first rounder next year I think.
Taranto is elite at so many stats and Hopper is one of the younger All Aus members in recent history. They won't come cheap.
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Gimme gimme gimme
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Hopper never been all aus. While I do rate him as a player and would welcome his addition I am nervous about what the ramifications would be to our draft hand both this year and next to make this happen. Assuming we don’t get any high level picks in via trades and that a trade for both would require atleast 3 out of 12, 19, 30, 2023 first round, 2023 second round, that doesn’t leave us with much top end draft talent coming in over the next 2 seasons.
Could draw some parallels with the hawks bringing in Mitchell and omeara at the end of 2016 for 2 firsts and a second to try and stay competing but only really set back their rebuild. Although to be fair they had been ignoring the draft for the best part of a decade so it wasn’t just that one offseason which hurt them.
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Richmond is making a bold play to remain in premiership contention. Chief Football Reporter @TomBrowne7 revealed the club is going after not one - but two - Giants stars.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/HowRichmondGetTarantoHopper7news05092022.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1566715354277347328)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1566715354277347328
Tom Browne reckons we can afford both Taranto & Hopper via a combo of Edwards retirement, Cotch & Jack taking a significant pay cut to play on next year, plus the 5% increase in the salary cap next year.
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Dimma said he met with hopper today on AFL360.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1566733186662404097
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Richmond is making a bold play to remain in premiership contention. Chief Football Reporter @TomBrowne7 revealed the club is going after not one - but two - Giants stars.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/HowRichmondGetTarantoHopper7news05092022.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1566715354277347328)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1566715354277347328
Tom Browne reckons we can afford both Taranto & Hopper via a combo of Edwards retirement, Cotch & Jack taking a significant pay cut to play on next year, plus the 5% increase in the salary cap next year.
I really doubt we’d be giving hopper 750k a year as well.
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy's 'On the Couch' said GWS need a ruckman and Soldo has slipped down the pecking order at Richmond.
So a trade could be something like Soldo plus two first round picks for Taranto and Hopper.
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How would we afford both Taranto and Hopper?
Only way I see is moving on Dusty.
Makes me wonder if the club thinks dusty could go
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy's 'On the Couch' said GWS need a ruckman and Soldo has slipped down the pecking order at Richmond.
So a trade could be something like Soldo plus two first round picks for Taranto and Hopper.
GWS need a top tier ruck. They have Preuss and Flynn who are both imo better than soldo or at the very least at a similar level. I don’t think they’d be interested at all.
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy's 'On the Couch' said GWS need a ruckman and Soldo has slipped down the pecking order at Richmond.
So a trade could be something like Soldo plus two first round picks for Taranto and Hopper.
I read somewhere today that Hopper has a heart compliant that he has to manage and hence unlikely to cost too much trade wise?
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How would we afford both Taranto and Hopper?
Only way I see is moving on Dusty.
Makes me wonder if the club thinks dusty could go
Think edwards, lambert and caddys salaries coming off the books alone would cover it if they were all on roughly 400-500k a year.
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How would we afford both Taranto and Hopper?
Only way I see is moving on Dusty.
Makes me wonder if the club thinks dusty could go
Think edwards, lambert and caddys salaries coming off the books alone would cover it if they were all on roughly 400-500k a year.
And possibly Cotchin and/or Riewoldt. Dimma on 360 tonight wasn't definite about those two playing on. Whereas he was absolutely definite about Dusty.
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How would we afford both Taranto and Hopper?
Only way I see is moving on Dusty.
Makes me wonder if the club thinks dusty could go
Reduced contracts for both Cotch and Jack would easily give you a $1 mil
Take out Edwards, Caddy and Lambert and that frees up alot of $$$$
No need to move Dusty at all
And reckon if GWS's salary cap mess is as bad as they saying, then Hopper would easily be in $750k.
That's why they are in the mess they are in, over paying to try and keep their list together. It's back fired big time
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Wonder why they haven’t made a play for Dunkley if the reported figures of 650k a year are accurate. Maybe just thought he would cost too much in a trade since the doggies don’t want to lose him while the giants are more than willing to let TT and hopper go.
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How would we afford both Taranto and Hopper?
Only way I see is moving on Dusty.
Makes me wonder if the club thinks dusty could go
Reduced contracts for both Cotch and Jack would easily give you a $1 mil
Take out Edwards, Caddy and Lambert and that frees up alot of $$$$
No need to move Dusty at all
And reckon if GWS's salary cap mess is as bad as they saying, then Hopper would easily be in $750k.
That's why they are in the mess they are in, over paying to try and keep their list together. It's back fired big time
If Jack is being offered $300k, and let's say Cotch offered maybe $400k, that would mean we've paid then respectively close to $800k and $900k each this year which I didn't think was believable.
I thought both were already on 500-600 at most surely.
Regardless if we don't have to move on Dusty all the better
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Worth getting Hopper just so Geelong don't.
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Richmond would need to give up multiple first rounders in a package.
Likely the No.19 pick that they got from North Melbourne. But Soldo would help clear some more space and help the Giants’ needs.
Taranto is a star. I think he is worth 12 and 19 alone.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1566734226976026624
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Tiger71 on the BF Tigercast:
* Taranto a lock. Not 750k mentioned in the media either. He wants to come to us as we can do a fair deal with GWS.
* Hopper to Tigerland now 70% confident.
* Both will get lengthy deals so we can 'middle-end' the contracts after 2024 when Dusty and Lynch come out of contract. Any new deal for Lynch [to be extended next year] will be less than what he is on now. So that we'll free up around $2 million of the cap for 2025 and beyond. Reckons Dusty's contract was front-ended last year for 2022 so he's been paid in advance. That salary will increase by 5% next year and by 20-25% over the next 5 years. So along with the retirements we will have the space for both Taranto and Hopper as well as to afford any future increases in salaries for our own youngsters.
* We have the picks this and next year to trade with. Geelong don't. GWS also still not happy either about Geelong grabbing Jeremy Cameron.
* We want to keep pick 19. So we'll use picks 12, 30, our 1st next year and players to get both deals done. He mentioned 12+30 or 12+next year's first plus a player (assuming he meant a player in both set of picks scenarios).
* Kingsley will evaluate the GWS list and then work out what the Giants need and then ask for Tigers he would like given he knows our list intimately. We've got to trade for Hopper [he also doesn't want to screw his old club either] so we'll have to be prepared to give up someone good. Not Soldo as GWS have rucks coming through. The Giants are screaming for forwards and quick half-back flankers. So Ryan (as a forward), Hugo .... are the sorts Tiger71 feels potentially could go north.
* If we can get both Taranto and Hopper we'll be in a big shot for Green when he finally comes out of contract.
* Needs to confirm if we're after a 22-24 year old lead up/hit up forward he's been told about. Not an A-grader. Limited opportunities but dominating where he is playing.
* Initially said that he was told last night that Stack is "gone". Later modified it to "it's not looking good for him".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sag_ieYTCjc
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I’m so excited to see how this off season pans out. We are hungry for sustained success ! The need for a young kpf is really though
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SAM EDMUND'S TRADE UPDATE FEATURING RICHMOND’S “RECRUITING FLEX”
SEN
6 September 2022
Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper & Richmond
“What an extraordinary recruiting flex that was from the Tigers yesterday that meeting with the contracted giant Jacob Hoper that Damien Hardwick confirmed on AFL360 took place,” Edmund began on SEN's Whateley.
“They’ve already got Tim Taranto on the hook down there on a very good deal I might add, and a long-term Jacob Hopper as well?
“We’re not privy to the books, we don’t know the bottom line, clearly they can do it financially, but how do they do it in a trade sense?
“We’ve got those figures in front of us. They’ve got their first-round pick, Pick 12 as it stands at the moment. They’ve got two second-rounders, their own but one tied to North Melbourne which is handy, that sits at 19 at the moment.
“So 12, 19, I think there’s a 30, and then you go all the way back. So how do they do it from a trade point of view?
“Taranto is not contracted just Jacob Hopper clearly is, he’s also being courted by Geelong and clearly wants to come home, he’s just got to settle on his destination.
“So what sort of trade for those two prime midfielders would possibly satisfy the Giants? That’s got the whole industry scratching their heads saying, ‘how could they possibly do this’?
“The people that I’ve spoken to - list managers and player managers this morning – are genuinely bewildered as to how it would possibly happen.
“Does another club have to get involved, are there future picks involved? GWS as we know needs to ease the squeeze, but they’re not going to be railroaded into giving up quality players for nothing.
“And do Geelong still have a role to play in Hopper, we know how far down the Hopper path the Cats have gone, they wanted their own double act, they want Hopper and (Brodie) Grundy to come in.
“It’s a good choice to have for Jacob Hopper. Am I going to Richmond or am I going to Geelong? Both want me, I want to come home, great to have options.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/06/sam-edmunds-trade-update-featuring-richmonds-recruiting-flex-dunkley-rioli/
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Tiger71 on the BF Tigercast:
* Taranto a lock. Not 750k mentioned in the media either. He wants to come to us as we can do a fair deal with GWS.
* Hopper to Tigerland now 70% confident.
* Both will get lengthy deals so we can 'middle-end' the contracts after 2024 when Dusty and Lynch come out of contract. Any new deal for Lynch [to be extended next year] will be less than what he is on now. So that we'll free up around $2 million of the cap for 2025 and beyond. Reckons Dusty's contract was front-ended last year for 2022 so he's been paid in advance. That salary will increase by 5% next year and by 20-25% over the next 5 years. So along with the retirements we will have the space for both Taranto and Hopper as well as to afford any future increases in salaries for our own youngsters.
* We have the picks this and next year to trade with. Geelong don't. GWS also still not happy either about Geelong grabbing Jeremy Cameron.
* We want to keep pick 19. So we'll use picks 12, 30, our 1st next year and players to get both deals done. He mentioned 12+30 or 12+next year's first plus a player (assuming he meant a player in both set of picks scenarios).
* Kingsley will evaluate the GWS list and then work out what the Giants need and then ask for Tigers he would like given he knows our list intimately. We've got to trade for Hopper [he also doesn't want to screw his old club either] so we'll have to be prepared to give up someone good. Not Soldo as GWS have rucks coming through. The Giants are screaming for forwards and quick half-back flankers. So Ryan (as a forward), Hugo .... are the sorts Tiger71 feels potentially could go north.
* If we can get both Taranto and Hopper we'll be in a big shot for Green when he finally comes out of contract.
* Needs to confirm if we're after a 22-24 year old lead up/hit up forward he's been told about. Not an A-grader. Limited opportunities but dominating where he is playing.
* Initially said that he was told last night that Stack is "gone". Later modified it to "it's not looking good for him".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sag_ieYTCjc
Jon Ralph on the HeraldSun website is saying Stack is staying.
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Trade buzz: Another Giants gun ‘wants to join Richmond’
Richmond will secure GWS star Tim Taranto in a trade, and could land a massive one-two punch with another Giant signalling he wants to be a Tiger. Get all the trade latest.
Trent Cotchin will play on at Richmond on a one-year deal.
Cotchin has enjoyed his season playing excellent injury-free football and has also thrived with less responsibilities after he handed over the captaincy.
Richmond will secure GWS mid Tim Taranto, having had strong recommendations about his massive tank, which will allow him to defensively run in a midfield that often plays Shai Bolton and Dustin Martin as more offensively-minded onballers.
Taranto is also seen as a potential future captain by the Tigers, who will also sign up Sydney Stack.
Coach Damien Hardwick also revealed the club has met with GWS clearance beast Jacob Hopper, who has one year to run on his contract but has been linked to Geelong.
“We did meet with Jacob Hopper today ... it’s not something I feel overly comfortable about,” Hardwick said on AFL360.
“But the fact of the matter is he’s a quality player and wants to come. We’re hoping to facilitate that for him.”
The Herald Sun reported on Monday Jack Riewoldt was happy to play on a $300,000 deal as long as the club made sure he was a wanted player next year.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-latest-trade-free-agency-and-contract-updates/news-story/2cbcf5e26fce931a5bab363774a3dd9f
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Liam stocker delisted by Carlton? What do you guys think regarding his talent?
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Liam stocker delisted by Carlton? What do you guys think regarding his talent?
What talent!
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Is mr magic from big footy the same mr magic who use to post here frequently but only rarely these days? Because his posts on this equivalent thread on big footy are something else.
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Liam stocker delisted by Carlton? What do you guys think regarding his talent?
What talent!
Is he played out of position in defence? He was a pretty high draft pick from memory and rated above avg leading into the draft?
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Is mr magic from big footy the same mr magic who use to post here frequently but only rarely these days? Because his posts on this equivalent thread on big footy are something else.
Go after Nick Daicos :lol
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Liam stocker delisted by Carlton? What do you guys think regarding his talent?
What talent!
Is he played out of position in defence? He was a pretty high draft pick from memory and rated above avg leading into the draft?
Is a poor man’s Jack Graham
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A source who is said that Soldo will be part of the trade as they need a genuine tap ruckman
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Dimma sounds confident on Hooper.
But the fact of the matter is he’s a quality player and wants to come. We’re hoping to facilitate that for him.”
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Dimma sounds confident
But the fact of the matter is he’s a quality player and wants to come. We’re hoping to facilitate that for him.”
Actually said he wants to come home which is weird given he’s from NSW lol
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Still have my doubt we can afford them all but if the reports are true then I'd be keen on Hopper if he passes a medical.
Him and Taranto would rejuvenate our midfield big time.
Then we just need to find another key forward - can Miller be the forward/ruck option we need? Bauer developing/depth.
Grimes, Broad, Balta, Gibcus and Tarrant down back. Biggie depth.
Nank first ruck, Miller relief, Ryan depth and Collina development.
Sounds alright to me.
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Still have my doubt we can afford them all but if the reports are true then I'd be keen on Hopper if he passes a medical.
Him and Taranto would rejuvenate our midfield big time.
Then we just need to find another key forward - can Miller be the forward/ruck option we need? Bauer developing/depth.
Grimes, Broad, Balta, Gibcus and Tarrant down back. Biggie depth.
Nank first ruck, Miller relief, Ryan depth and Collina development.
Sounds alright to me.
I mean Dimma admitted they met with hopper and with the club making all these resignings over the past few weeks you’d think that at the very least they’ve worked out they have the cap space for both. Putting together a trade package that the club is happy to depart with and that gws are satisfied with might be trickier.
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Still have my doubt we can afford them all but if the reports are true then I'd be keen on Hopper if he passes a medical.
Him and Taranto would rejuvenate our midfield big time.
Then we just need to find another key forward - can Miller be the forward/ruck option we need? Bauer developing/depth.
Grimes, Broad, Balta, Gibcus and Tarrant down back. Biggie depth.
Nank first ruck, Miller relief, Ryan depth and Collina development.
Sounds alright to me.
I mean Dimma admitted they met with hopper and with the club making all these resignings over the past few weeks you’d think that at the very least they’ve worked out they have the cap space for both. Putting together a trade package that the club is happy to depart with and that gws are satisfied with might be trickier.
Yep, guess it depends on how F'd their TPP situation is and whether or not other clubs are prepared to offer more money to the players/picks to GWS etc.
You see in US sports that clubs actually GIVE a draft pick WITH the player who they are offloading as a salary dump so another club at least gets to draft a kid while they pay someone a wage that's unwanted.
Otherwise I'd be thinking it will probably be something like 12 + 30 + Soldo at a minimum, possibly more. You could argue both have had injury-interrupted seasons and whatnot but IMO they have plenty of runs on the board.
I'd like to keep at least one of 12 or 19 and take a KPF kid if we can.
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Still have my doubt we can afford them all but if the reports are true then I'd be keen on Hopper if he passes a medical.
Him and Taranto would rejuvenate our midfield big time.
Then we just need to find another key forward - can Miller be the forward/ruck option we need? Bauer developing/depth.
Grimes, Broad, Balta, Gibcus and Tarrant down back. Biggie depth.
Nank first ruck, Miller relief, Ryan depth and Collina development.
Sounds alright to me.
I mean Dimma admitted they met with hopper and with the club making all these resignings over the past few weeks you’d think that at the very least they’ve worked out they have the cap space for both. Putting together a trade package that the club is happy to depart with and that gws are satisfied with might be trickier.
Yep, guess it depends on how F'd their TPP situation is and whether or not other clubs are prepared to offer more money to the players/picks to GWS etc.
You see in US sports that clubs actually GIVE a draft pick WITH the player who they are offloading as a salary dump so another club at least gets to draft a kid while they pay someone a wage that's unwanted.
Otherwise I'd be thinking it will probably be something like 12 + 30 + Soldo at a minimum, possibly more. You could argue both have had injury-interrupted seasons and whatnot but IMO they have plenty of runs on the board.
I'd like to keep at least one of 12 or 19 and take a KPF kid if we can.
I would rip their arm off for 12 + 30 + soldo for TT and Hopper. Would expect they’d want next years first or 19 instead of 30 at a minimum. Still not convinced they’d want soldo either, doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade over the 3 rucks they already have.
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Sam Edmund has reported GWS will ask for 2 x 1st round picks for Tim Taranto and a Top 10 pick for Hopper
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Sam Edmund has reported GWS will ask for 2 x 1st round picks for Tim Taranto and a Top 10 pick for Hopper
Yeah I often ask for a BJ also knowing I’m no chance of getting one.
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Sam Edmund has reported GWS will ask for 2 x 1st round picks for Tim Taranto and a Top 10 pick for Hopper
Yeah I often ask for a BJ also knowing I’m no chance of getting one.
Lol
I often try to include them in trade deals too but to no avail.
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Sam Edmund has reported GWS will ask for 2 x 1st round picks for Tim Taranto and a Top 10 pick for Hopper
Top 10 is steep for Hopper after the year he's had IMO.
Wouldn't surprise me if combined they cost 12, 19, 2023 1st and Soldo if they want a tap ruck.
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Sam Edmund has reported GWS will ask for 2 x 1st round picks for Tim Taranto and a Top 10 pick for Hopper
They always start off miles apart then negotiate.
Cant blame GWS for trying but this is a salary dump scenario which weakens their position a bit imo.
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GIANTS SET STEEP ASKING PRICE FOR WANTAWAY MIDFIELDERS
By Sam Edmund
SEN
7 September 2022
GWS is demanding Richmond cough up two first-round draft picks for Tim Taranto as the Giants dig in on their departing stars.
The Giants are attempting to ease the squeeze on their salary cap as they reset under new coach Adam Kingsley, but SEN has learned this will be far from a fire sale.
The out of contract Taranto, 24, has agreed to join the Tigers on a seven-year deal – a lucrative contract the Giants believe warrants lucrative compensation.
Jacob Hopper is contracted for next year at GWS, but met with the Tigers on Monday and has also had talks with Geelong as he looks to move to a Victorian club.
The Giants insist they will ask for a top-10 pick at a minimum for Hopper, who has twice finished in the top three of the best and fairest and was in last year’s All-Australian squad of 40.
... But it’s the Taranto and Hopper trades that loom as the most contentious.
Taranto is Richmond’s priority as they look to plan for life after Trent Cotchin and greater support for Dion Prestia and Jack Graham.
The Tigers are armed with picks 12, 19 and 30 in this year’s national draft.
Hopper’s move south is potentially complicated by the fact there is no love lost between the Giants and Cats at the trade table in the wake of the at-times heated dealings over Jeremy Cameron in 2020.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/06/giants-set-steep-asking-price-for-wantaway-midfielders/
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Richmond pair raised as potential trade options amid GWS raid
Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com.au
September 7, 2022 - 1:17PM
Richmond's negotiations with the GWS Giants for in-demand stars Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper are sure to go deep into the sign and trade period, with the Tigers needing to move heaven and earth to secure the duo this year.
Geelong will heavily compete with the Tigers to secure Hopper, while a seven-year deal at Punt Road for Taranto is reportedly as good as done.
The Tigers will thank some of their 2021 trade planning ahead of this off-season's window, landing North Melbourne's 2022 second-round selection - placed at Pick 19 - in a trade that also saw them secure Robbie Tarrant from the Roos last year.
Their collection of Picks 12, 19 and 30 at this year's draft, along with their own future first-round pick, are likely to be key in negotiations with the Giants should the Tigers be in the window to land Hopper on top of their likely acquisition of Taranto.
It has emerged that the Giants will likely demand a number of early picks for the pair, meaning Richmond may have to get creative to lure the pair to Tigerland.
Should they look toward playing personnel to help broker a deal, duo Ivan Soldo and Riley Collier-Dawkins are seen as potential options to be added to negotiations, having both garnered reported interest from across the league.
Speaking on AFL Trade Desk, AFL.com.au's Riley Beveridge flagged the Tigers duo could be seen as moveable assets for Richmond's discussions with the Giants, with the situation surrounding Soldo "an interesting watch".
"There could be a couple of different players. I'm looking at from a midfield perspective whether a Riley Collier Dawkins, who has interest from around the competition, whether or not Richmond looks to part with him," Beveridge raised.
"There's been talk of Ivan Soldo at Richmond, potentially making the move to the Giants. I think Ivan Soldo has interest from around the competition, not necessarily just at the Giants. He's a watch there.
"He's got two years left on a three-year contract, he signed last season. It's an interesting watch.
"There's an interesting space there and how it plays out, because they're bringing in two very good players. You'd have to think a couple might get squeezed out to make way for them."
Soldo played 13 matches for the Tigers in 2022, seen as second-fiddle to co-captain Toby Nankervis as senior coach Damien Hardwick continued to ponder a two ruck system.
The Giants have continued to be left frustrated with their ruck stocks, with Braydon Preuss missing a considerable amount of games through both injury and suspension, while Matt Flynn has continued to battle with form and setbacks of his own.
Having named former Tigers assistant Adam Kingsley as their new senior coach, the Giants could have some sway to persuade potentially available Richmond players to consider a move north.
Soldo is contracted until the end of 2024, while Collier-Dawkins is one of six Tigers still without a deal for next season.
https://www.zerohanger.com/richmond-pair-raised-as-potential-trade-options-amid-gws-raid-afl-trade-news-127040/
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AFL trade news: Ivan Soldo could be offered to GWS in deal to get Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper to Richmond
Jay Clark
HeraldSun
7 September 2022 5pm
Richmond wants to land Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, but likely needs to sacrifice at least one player to make it happen. This is the man most likely to become a Giant.
Richmond could follow in Geelong’s footsteps in off-loading as many as four high draft picks plus a senior player to pull off a blockbuster move for GWS Giants’ star midfield pair Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper.
The Tigers are eyeing Taranto and Hopper to provide a massive injection of toughness and class into their engine room and revitalise their premiership prospects next season.
But it could see the Tigers hand over a bevy of top draft picks which they have smartly accumulated in recent years to help execute such a deal with the Giants.
Richmond holds picks 12, 19 and 30 in this year’s draft and also have a future first-round pick for next year’s draft up their sleeves to help satisfy the Giants.
The wildcard in the scenario is the future of Richmond back-up ruckman Ivan Soldo and whether he would be part of the deal.
Soldo, who is from Canberra, could appeal to the Giants as a potential candidate for the No. 1 ruck position but it would have to be in addition to an early draft pick.
Soldo, 26, is contracted to Richmond until the end of 2024 after signing a three-year deal last season but he was dropped from the senior team late in the year.
It means Richmond could offer up 12 and 19 for Taranto and look to package their future first-round pick and Soldo in a deal for Hopper under one scenario.
But any deal involving Soldo remains a long way off as GWS is yet to have meaningful talks about the big man.
The two-pick swap for Taranto, 24, fits well on the AFL’s draft value index as picks 12 and 19 combined equal 2216 points which just falls short of the pick two value of 2517 points.
Taranto was originally taken with pick two in between Essendon’s No. 1 pick Andrew McGrath and Brisbane’s No. 3 Hugh McCluggage in 2016.
But it is clear the Giants would much prefer an early single-figure pick for Taranto where the chances of landing a star player are much higher in comparison with two picks in the teens.
Hopper, 25, is contracted at GWS for next season and could remain on the list for another year when he could leave as a free agent, likely earning GWS an earlier draft pick as compensation compared to Richmond’s first choice next year.
But the Giants need to off-load some big-money wages this year to help recalibrate their salary cap after years of back-ending deals.
Geelong struck a similar deal for superstar Jeremy Cameron two years ago when it off-loaded three high picks to GWS for the gun spearhead and two second-round picks in return.
The savvy move from Geelong defied critics of their age profile and list strategy as Chris Scott’s team remain the favourite to win this year’s premiership after taking another mature-age player instead of heading back to the national draft with a suite of picks.
Cameron, 29, is now considered by some football experts as the most valuable player in the game.
The Cats are also strongly interested in Hopper and are expected to meet with the hard nut midfielder once their season concludes.
Geelong list bosses Andrew Mackie and Stephen Wells have long been big fans of Hopper and have the salary cap room to add a top-end player to their midfield for next season.
His hard edge could help take some of the load off ageing stars Joel Selwood and Patrick Dangerfield next season, but Richmond has already met with Hopper and his teammate Taranto.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-news-ivan-soldo-could-be-offered-to-gws-in-deal-to-get-tim-taranto-and-jacob-hopper-to-richmond/news-story/27596e36956d070f4e3f1bded352a066
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Seems it was already public knowledge that Taranto deal was done. Have just heard that hopper is also a lock. Will keep everyone posted, let’s end our second longest draught in 42 years!
https://twitter.com/swoopshim/status/1567369275148730369
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Yeah, I heard the herald sun footy podcast. Sam Landsberger did say Hopper and Taranto will come to Richmond and Geelong has accepted they have missed out on Hopper.
https://twitter.com/AustraliaBlink/status/1567402258895339520
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Sam Edmund has reported GWS will ask for 2 x 1st round picks for Tim Taranto and a Top 10 pick for Hopper
I think Pick 12 and 19 should be more than appropriate to get the deal done.
I think a Pick 10 for Hopper is overs. A first rounder should be enough which we can offer next year's first rounder.
Pick 12, 19 and 2024 first rounder gets the deals done I feel. I'm OK with losing these picks in that these guys are still young and our record of first rounders has been rubbish for a while anyway.
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Sam Edmund has reported GWS will ask for 2 x 1st round picks for Tim Taranto and a Top 10 pick for Hopper
I think Pick 12 and 19 should be more than appropriate to get the deal done.
I think a Pick 10 for Hopper is overs. A first rounder should be enough which we can offer next year's first rounder.
Pick 12, 19 and 2024 first rounder gets the deals done I feel. I'm OK with losing these picks in that these guys are still young and our record of first rounders has been rubbish for a while anyway.
Yep, need to remember that at best you're hoping your pick 12 or 19 becomes an A grade player. Very rare to find a genuine superstar outside the top 5-10.
We are guaranteed to get A grade mids if we trqse these guys in and they have at least 125-150 games in them each you'd think.
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Caro wondering how we can afford both Taranto & Hopper. Seriously, can't those in the footy media do rough basic maths? :facepalm
Edwards $500k
Lambert $400k
Caddy $300k
Parker $150k
Cotch $300k pay cut
Riewoldt $300k pay cut
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$1.95m freed up.
And that's not including the 5% increase in the salary cap but that will most likely go towards the new contracts for our existing younger stars like Bolton. Also we can back load some of Taranto and Hopper's long-term deals until after 2024 when Dusty and Lynch's current contracts end.
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Don’t discount soldo either. That’s another 350k.
I do think they will back end the deals. That’s called smart management Caro you imbecile.
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Yes we freed up all this money but this year we have already resigned on multiyear contracts Baker, Broad, Noah, Gibcus, Marlon , Miller, Daniel Rioli , MJR , Ross, Shorty , Ryan , Sonsie , Cotch , and JR8 , so with Dusty and Lynch back ended contracts kicking in this year our cap will be bursting at the seams , so I can see where everyone is sceptical re our cap space and adding another 1.5 Million into our cap
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Sam McClure and The Age both reporting Hopper has agreed to join RFC.
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Here comes the cavalry lads!
Also with new TV deal you'd think the salary cap will increase. Filling the cap now with long will be really clever. Meaning AVG wage for players will rise and we will have more room in cap later.
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Tim Taranto AND Jacob Hopper have both requested trades to Richmond.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcHA-1_akAANW0y?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1567746423197958144
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Thats huge
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Bang!
This will put us right back in contention next year I reckon.
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This is what sustained success and a good culture brings. We are a destination and this will be absolutely huge if we can land the both of them and get rid of some dead wood.
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 arvo news saying [guessing], "Richmond will likely have to give up picks 12, 19, a future 1st round and Soldo."
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 arvo news saying [guessing], "Richmond will likely have to give up picks 12, 19, a future 1st round and Soldo."
Throw in Farts as the steak knives
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 arvo news saying [guessing], "Richmond will likely have to give up picks 12, 19, a future 1st round and Soldo."
Fantastic deal if you ask me.
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7 years for Hopper is crazy if true.
We're obviously all chips in on these 2.
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7 years for Hopper is crazy if true.
We're obviously all chips in on these 2.
Hope they gave him one hell of a medical on Monday.
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Jay Clark on MMM guessed:
12 + 19 for Taranto
30 + future first + Soldo for Hopper.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/the-picks-players-on-the-cards-to-help-richmond-land-tim-taranto-jacob-hopper-205647
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Jay Clark on MMM guessed:
12 + 19 for Taranto
30 + future first + Soldo for Hopper.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/the-picks-players-on-the-cards-to-help-richmond-land-tim-taranto-jacob-hopper-205647
Hoping we can manage to keep 1 of those 4 picks. Still sceptical that they’d want soldo.
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Trade talk on Foxsports:
Question: Richmond really need a tall forward to replace Reiwoldt. Is there any word if they are chasing anyone?
David Zita: No word as yet GP... they've got Balta to swing as needed so don't think there's urgency yet.
Question: Pick 12 , 19 , Soldo and Castanga for Taranto and Hopper do you think that is fair?
David Zita: Don't mind it but that's just my opinion!
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-trade-news-2022-richmond-offseason-plan-analysis-tim-taranto-jacob-hopper-contracts-deals-picks-list-build/news-story/2a436857616a08a9789d23c051787df2
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I don’t think they will but I also hope they don’t try to push anyone out the door that wants to stay. If we’ve committed to them with a contract and they aren’t interested in leaving then that should end the conversation. We’ve built a great culture and that would be the sort of thing that would start to fracture that in my opinion.
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Jay Clark on MMM guessed:
12 + 19 for Taranto
30 + future first + Soldo for Hopper.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/the-picks-players-on-the-cards-to-help-richmond-land-tim-taranto-jacob-hopper-205647
Hoping we can manage to keep 1 of those 4 picks. Still sceptical that they’d want soldo.
No one in their right mind would want him
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Don't think we will give that up for a salary dump.
2 picks and a player for Hopper is way overs without something coming back.
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I can see Soldo part of it his a Canberra boy to.I would keep 29 and offer 12 ,30 and future first rd and Soldo.
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When you are out of finals this is definitely a fun time of year ;D
Just on Soldo, he used to have family in Canberra so a move north may actually appeal
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Be interesting Kingsley knows our list back to front so wouldn't be surprised who they request.
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Be interesting Kingsley knows our list back to front so vould be surprised who they request.
Agree, Kingsley would know exactly who from our list he'd want but also who'd be available
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If Richmond gets the two deals done, how quickly the AFL will introduce rules to stopped similar trades in the future?
https://twitter.com/natyibetta/status/1567636298927865858
:whistle
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Cornes this morning on SEN sooking saying it's not fair that we are getting both Taranto and Hopper and that equalisation is broken.
Also complains about 7-year contracts and he reckons Hardwick won't be around in 4-7 years time as coach so Dimma doesn't care.
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1040567
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https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1040552
Mitch Cleary reckons 12-19-30-Future 1st-Player (Soldo?) will be needed but we may trade with clubs searching for academy points to move a pick or picks up the draft as part of satisfying the Taranto/Hopper trades.
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Hopper is 1 year away from FA so I’d think their leverage is pretty low ish on him.
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People will complain about us getting Taranto and Hopper and equalisation etc but here is a fact they will conveniently overlook ( Cornes):
- At this point we will only have 6 players from other clubs on our list for 2023
- Prestia, Tarrant, Lynch, Nank Taranto and Hopper.
Surely one of the lowest amounts of any team in the comp.
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https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1040552
Mitch Cleary reckons 12-19-30-Future 1st-Player (Soldo?) will be needed but we may trade with clubs searching for academy points to move a pick or picks up the draft as part of satisfying the Taranto/Hopper trades.
Thats close - it will be 12, 19, Future 1st and Soldo. No need to include 30. That's overs
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Hopper is 1 year away from FA so I’d think their leverage is pretty low ish on him.
This is a good point.
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If Richmond gets the two deals done, how quickly the AFL will introduce rules to stopped similar trades in the future?
https://twitter.com/natyibetta/status/1567636298927865858
:whistle
Lol here we go. The anti-RFC movement. Honestly didn't mind when they scrapped COLA for Swans because honestly an average wage that high anyone can make it in Sydney. But the AFL needs to review their trade and FA rules instead of reacting to successful clubs. The club's need to take the responsibility of being successful as a business and not expect the AFL to equalise things for them.
Cornes this morning on SEN sooking saying it's not fair that we are getting both Taranto and Hopper and that equalisation is broken.
Also complains about 7-year contracts and he reckons Hardwick won't be around in 4-7 years time as coach so Dimma doesn't care.
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1040567
Gee I wish this guy would fall into a hole somewhere. What a dead set loser. The only real equalisation factors we have are the draft, priority picks and FA compo since the AFL clearly uses their discretion there.
Also does he think Hardwick is the one managing the TPP, list and tabling offers all himself? There's a whole list management team lol. He just says who he wants and coaches who he gets.
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No future first for me to risky.
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No future first for me to risky.
I'd ask for their '23 2nd back so we are least have two second rounders probably between 25-35
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If Richmond gets the two deals done, how quickly the AFL will introduce rules to stopped similar trades in the future?
https://twitter.com/natyibetta/status/1567636298927865858
:whistle
Lol here we go. The anti-RFC movement. Honestly didn't mind when they scrapped COLA for Swans because honestly an average wage that high anyone can make it in Sydney. But the AFL needs to review their trade and FA rules instead of reacting to successful clubs. The club's need to take the responsibility of being successful as a business and not expect the AFL to equalise things for them.
Cornes this morning on SEN sooking saying it's not fair that we are getting both Taranto and Hopper and that equalisation is broken.
Also complains about 7-year contracts and he reckons Hardwick won't be around in 4-7 years time as coach so Dimma doesn't care.
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1040567
Gee I wish this guy would fall into a hole somewhere. What a dead set loser. The only real equalisation factors we have are the draft, priority picks and FA compo since the AFL clearly uses their discretion there.
Also does he think Hardwick is the one managing the TPP, list and tabling offers all himself? There's a whole list management team lol. He just says who he wants and coaches who he gets.
The amount of dribble that comes out of Cornwit's mouth is quite impressive
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Because Hopper is still contracted the Tigers have to satisfy GWS or he just stays at the Giants. Hard to see how the Tigers finish up with any of their early picks from this year or next. GWS has shown what a hard bargain it pushes over Shiel, Cameron etc
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1567986455506722816
afl rules dictate they can't all be traded away don't they?
Yep you’re right. Giants will send picks back to the Tigers. Potentially second and third rounders.
Cant see the Giants parting with their 2nd pick this year as it will be in the early 20s vs the tigers 1st which is currently 12. That’s only 878 points or pick 43. 3rd rounder or future 2nd/3rd more likely.
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The salary dump aspect here diminishes GWS's asking price imo
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Hopper is 1 year away from FA so I’d think their leverage is pretty low ish on him.
This is a good point.
Not really
They will get a compo pick in the first round
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Lol, Collingwood reported to be bringing in 3 players. Not a word.
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So because Richmond have recruited smarter, have worked their finances more efficiently to allow this opportunity, people and AFL will complain about it?
I agree with those on here, the AFL will look into it and stop this.
But it was OK for Cameron, Dangerfield to go to Geelong on more than reported TPP and no complains.
Collingwood are recruiting half of the AFL aren't they?
Yet, some muppets in the media who just simply "dislike" Richmond and Hardwick voice their opinion.
Why give these muppets a response? I would just reply with - "Irrelevant Comment"
It will be an Anti-Richmond movement coming soon.
Hardwick to be NOT coaching in 7 years time so he wouldn't care about the 2 x 7 years contracts?
Woweee what an "Irrelevant Comment" ...
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Hopper is 1 year away from FA so I’d think their leverage is pretty low ish on him.
This is a good point.
Not really
They will get a compo pick in the first round
They’d get an end of first round pick - pick 19 or there abouts.
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Cornes fumingggggg
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/09/does-richmonds-taranto-and-hopper-pursuit-make-a-mockery-of-afl-equalisation/
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Cornes fumingggggg
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/09/does-richmonds-taranto-and-hopper-pursuit-make-a-mockery-of-afl-equalisation/
King is spot on though :clapping
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Cornes fumingggggg
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/09/does-richmonds-taranto-and-hopper-pursuit-make-a-mockery-of-afl-equalisation/
I managed to hack Karen Cornes' webcam and take a screengrab while he was discussing this....
(https://i.imgflip.com/5s9tx1.png)
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Amazing , how about they go through the other sides recruits from other sides and see who has the most in the last 10 years, we are defiantly not the greatest pillager by far
Gold Coast have picked up a few players from us that are doing well for them
Greater Western Sydney are stupid and do not recruit / swap players to play a role and mentor for the team and constantly recruit kids who just want to come home. They need to get smarter as to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result is the definition of insanity
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Reigning premiers Melbourne handing out 6 year deals left, right and centre. May lose Jackson, probably still on not much of a deal, and looking at $1m a year Grundy as a replacement. Nah, all good.
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All other clubs pinch our fringe players all good to nothing but clown.
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Read an 7AFL article about the 12 top trade deals and their worth. We give up 2 x first rounders plus 30 and first next year. Dunkley. This year's first! No mention of a secondary pick.
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Our first three way fake trade - is this overs or unders?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcMPt0eaIAQMwI7?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1568114381816479744
Was this done by a wishful thinking Crows fan? :huh3
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Crows making off like bandits in that trade lol
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Our first three way fake trade - is this overs or unders?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcMPt0eaIAQMwI7?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1568114381816479744
Was this done by a wishful thinking Crows fan? :huh3
Crows will need to pay someone to take Matt Crouch.
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We're not giving up 3 picks and 2 players.
GWS cannot afford ready made players. That is the whole point unless they'd both be staying.
This is a salary dump.
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I would be making a big play for Ollie Henry. Unsigned and exactly what we need,
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They need players who get paid 200 -300 thousand and not 750 thousand. They can keep getting kids who leave or request players to play a role , all good teams have role players
It will be interesting to see what happens but suspect we will trade picks and players to GWS
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DETAIL IN TIGERS’ HOPPER OFFER CATS REFUSED TO MATCH
Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
10 September 2022
Greater Western Sydney star Jacob Hopper has chosen Richmond as his preferred trade destination with the emerging star keen to join the Tigers on a seven-year deal.
Hopper is set to be part of an astonishing trade double act that will see the Tigers recharge their midfield with Hopper hopeful GWS will grant him a trade request to join his mate Tim Taranto.
Geelong had been a strong suitor for Hopper, who is a GWS academy player growing up in the small Riverine town of Leeton but boarded in Ballarat while at St Patrick’s College.
But the Tigers are believed to have pitched a more lucrative deal and have also offered seven seasons, which the Cats were not prepared to match.
The Cats will now plan their next move and are still keen on GWS teammate Tanner Bruhn, unwilling to significantly up their offer given they pay players in fairly strict bands to ensure fairness across the list.
Hopper headed overseas on Thursday morning and before that his management firm Connors Sports informed the Cats that if he moved the Tigers would be his likely home instead of them.
But unlike the uncontracted Taranto Hopper has a deal through to 2023 so Richmond will have to stump up a significant deal involving multiple picks or he will remain at GWS.
Richmond has long believed it could secure one of the Giants midfielders given the tight salary cap that GWS is trying to rectify this year.
But to secure both Taranto and Hopper will immediately put the Tigers back in as premiership contenders if it can orchestrate trades for the pair.
It seems likely Richmond will have to hand over most of picks 12, 19, 30 and next year’s future first-rounder for the pair and potentially throw in a player like ruckman Ivan Soldo.
GWS will ask for two first rounders for Taranto but the market for experienced mids of his quality in recent years has normally been two first-rounders with a second-rounder handed back.
What will Richmond need to give up in trades for Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto?
* Picks 12, 19 and a future-first
* Picks 12, 19, a future-first and player
* Picks 12 and 19
* Pick 12 and a future first-round pick
* Another combination of players/picks
Richmond believes Taranto’s vast tank will allow him to play as a more defensive mid who wins key stoppages but then can two-way run and allow Shai Bolton and Dustin Martin to play a more offensive role.
Hopper, a former No. 7 draft pick, had his 2022 season ruined by a knee injury but last year averaged 26 disposals, 98 ranking points, 12 contested possessions and 6.3 stoppages a game.
At only 25 the Tigers will believe they can get 150 exceptional games from him and keep their premiership window wide open.
For Geelong the decision is a setback but the emergence of Max Holmes and Tom Atkins as an inside midfielder means they will not be short of midfield options.
Bruhn, a number 12 draft pick at GWS, has interest from Hawthorn, North Melbourne and the Cats but has plenty of time to decide his future.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-latest-trade-free-agency-and-contract-updates/news-story/2cbcf5e26fce931a5bab363774a3dd9f
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Just watching the Collingwood / Freo final and thinking lipinski is very good player. Which experts said he was not worth chasing again.
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This upsets me but pies are playing exactly like us in 2017.
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Spot on, fully invested and winning contests before surging forward
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This upsets me but pies are playing exactly like us in 2017.
It’s exactly the same.
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Totally agree they can go all the way got 2 masters there in McRae and Leppa.
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Pies won't get past Sydney. Have thought Swans are more like us in 2017. Fittest team in comp.
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Surely Leppa an option for Bombers
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Surely Leppa an option for Bombers
If he wants the job it will be his
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Cam Luke actually one of the few in the footy media talking sense about us.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1568456216690696192
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Greater Western Sydney to play hard-ball in Richmond Tigers’ pursuit of midfielder Jacob Hopper
Jackson Barrett
The West Australian
12 September 2022
Jackson Barrett
It’s not going to be easy for Richmond to prise in-demand midfielder Jacob Hopper out of Greater Western Sydney.
The Giants are playing hard-ball as Victorian clubs circle the former pick seven, reportedly telling Richmond they will need to cough up two first-round picks.
Hopper has nominated the Tigers as his club of choice, despite strong interest also coming from Geelong.
Richmond are also in the hunt for fellow want-away Giant Tim Taranto, but will need to do some other dealing to be able to satisfy GWS on both trades.
The Tigers only have one first-round selection at this stage and another future first.
New coach and former Richmond assistant Adam Kingsley is set to inherit a healthy salary cap, with Hopper, Taranto, West Australian forward Bobby Hill and defender Tanner Bruhn all eyeing the exit door.
The Giants have a history of procuring big hauls from high-profile trades, with three first-rounders heading north as part of Jeremy Cameron’s move to Geelong.
Adam Treloar’s move to Collingwood and Dylan Shiel’s shift to Essendon both yielded a pair of first-round selections.
Hopper and Taranto were both a part of the Giants side belted by the Tigers on grand final day in 2019.
Richmond are in the market for proven performers to boost their on-ball stocks after bombing out of finals in the first week and are clinging on to their era of success.
Veterans and three-time premiership duo Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt have both been given one-year deals to keep their careers alive, while Dustin Martin has reportedly indicated to the club he is feeling more settled in Melbourne and is less likely to force a move away from the club.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-to-play-hard-ball-in-richmond-tigers-pursuit-of-midfielder-jacob-hopper-c-8200873
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@sam_mcclure back in July you suggested the Pies should try and package up pick 14 for Taranto and Bobby Hill on that basis pick 12 from the Tigers should be more than enough to Taranto alone.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/greater-western-sydney-giants/afl-trade-news-2022-gws-giants-exodus-jacob-hopper-tim-taranto-bobby-hill-tanner-bruhn-expected-to-leave-contracts-salary-cap/news-story/30529709fee90c5a0558fd2dd01dcaf9
https://twitter.com/P_T_Ager/status/1568870931875131392
Poor Sam McClure hasn't had a good past week :wallywink.
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Dreaming 2 first round picks let's not forget yhere salary cap issues they need to clear funds.
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Asking price for Giant Jacob Hopper revealed, Richmond set to get creative
Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
September 12, 2022
Richmond have been tasked with handing over four first-round draft picks in order to attain GWS duo Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, with the New South Wales side's demands for the latter revealed.
The Tigers are poised to land the duo on seven-year deals following their preference to head to Punt Road in what is seen to be an imminent double coup for the Tigers.
GWS are understood to be demanding a pair of first-round picks for Taranto's services as his contract comes to an end, while Hopper, who is contracted, is reported to require a similar asking price from the Giants, according to The Herald Sun.
The Tigers are equipped with Picks 12, 19 and 30 at this year's draft, while holding their own future first-round selection for the 2023 National Draft.
Should the Giants see Pick 19 - the first selection of the second round - to hold enough value to be included as a first-round pick, the Tigers will still need to acquire another top selection to meet the Giants' demands.
Fringe players Ivan Soldo and Riley Collier-Dawkins have been flagged as potential 'sweeteners' for a trade deal between the Tigers and Giants, but more draft assets may be required to get a deal over the line.
The Giants have managed to gain similar trade packages for past departing stars, like Dylan Shiel and Adam Treloar, who joined Essendon and Collingwood respectively on deals that saw a pair of first-round picks head to GWS.
Key forward Jeremy Cameron landed at Geelong with a pair of future second-round selections in 2020, with three first-round picks landing in the Giants' lap.
The Giants' stance will mean the Tigers need to get creative this off-season, potentially parting with key personnel or multiple draft selections to land another first-round pick.
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Riley Beveridge on the AFL website said Soldo is attracting interest from a few clubs. He seemed to be alluding to Soldo being traded to a third party and then what we get back from that (pick?) being used as part of the Taranto & Hopper trades.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/841328/twomey-the-new-bargaining-tool-set-to-shape-trade-period
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GWS youngster Tanner Bruhn has settled on Geelong as his preferred new home.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/841947/in-demand-giants-young-gun-keen-on-geelong-move
Would say that this implies Geelong have given up on Hopper.
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Asking price for Giant Jacob Hopper revealed, Richmond set to get creative
Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
September 12, 2022
Richmond have been tasked with handing over four first-round draft picks in order to attain GWS duo Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, with the New South Wales side's demands for the latter revealed.
The Tigers are poised to land the duo on seven-year deals following their preference to head to Punt Road in what is seen to be an imminent double coup for the Tigers.
GWS are understood to be demanding a pair of first-round picks for Taranto's services as his contract comes to an end, while Hopper, who is contracted, is reported to require a similar asking price from the Giants, according to The Herald Sun.
The Tigers are equipped with Picks 12, 19 and 30 at this year's draft, while holding their own future first-round selection for the 2023 National Draft.
Should the Giants see Pick 19 - the first selection of the second round - to hold enough value to be included as a first-round pick, the Tigers will still need to acquire another top selection to meet the Giants' demands.
Fringe players Ivan Soldo and Riley Collier-Dawkins have been flagged as potential 'sweeteners' for a trade deal between the Tigers and Giants, but more draft assets may be required to get a deal over the line.
The Giants have managed to gain similar trade packages for past departing stars, like Dylan Shiel and Adam Treloar, who joined Essendon and Collingwood respectively on deals that saw a pair of first-round picks head to GWS.
Key forward Jeremy Cameron landed at Geelong with a pair of future second-round selections in 2020, with three first-round picks landing in the Giants' lap.
The Giants' stance will mean the Tigers need to get creative this off-season, potentially parting with key personnel or multiple draft selections to land another first-round pick.
Its a salary cap dump. As if we are going to hand over 4 1st round picks GWS. Pee off you campaigners
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Reports emerged that the Giants were set to command two first-round picks for Taranto alone, and a top-10 pick minimum for Hopper, while Richmond currently hold selections 12, 19, 30 and 84.
However Loen Cameron predicted the Tigers would need to include players in the deal too.
“No doubt there’s going to be picks … I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some players in play there, that’s up to the Giants and the Tigers to work out,” he said.
“There’s no precedent, you can’t look back and say, ‘well two players going to one club at that high level, where do you go.’
“To try and bundle up a package to make sure that works for both clubs, clearly it’s going to have to be a combination of picks and a player or two”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-week-two-of-finals-highlights-analysis-talking-points-jordan-de-goey-new-deal-tim-taranto-jacob-hopper-sevenyear-deals-richmond-tigers-gws-giants-exodus/news-story/d751b887f2a7629f31a995c96bb9ced2
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GWS youngster Tanner Bruhn has settled on Geelong as his preferred new home.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/841947/in-demand-giants-young-gun-keen-on-geelong-move
Would say that this implies Geelong have given up on Hopper.
If a first round pick wants to be traded within the first 3 years, the price should automatically a first round draft pick.
Can't have teams investing in a kid, then getting a second rounder or worse back.
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These 2 players should have been cream on top after getting stuck into FA last year. Instead we watched paint dry and did sfa.
How we just ignored our list issues last year was a massive error of judgement. Watching players like Brodie Hewitt and lipininski go to the pies for a third of what hopper is costing.
Just on the stats of the 2 players.
Hopper 2021 vrs Lipinski 2022.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=25&pid1=4169&fid1=P&fopt1=2021&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&pid2=6354&fid2=S&type=A
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I can't find the vision but Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified last night said he disagreed with Richmond going after both Taranto and Hopper because they are same type of player. Both inside mids & both ordinary kicks. He added that Richmond should only be going after one of them and then going for different type of player.
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You may be right but in 2021, we were coming off back to back flags and Pies were coming off 17th. Ladder position has to be a consideration.
My analogy would be an auction where 2 guys are bidding - one has just sold his house with a 30 day settlement and the other guys is not yet on the market.
The urgency is different.
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I can't find the vision but Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified last night said he disagreed with Richmond going after both Taranto and Hopper because they are same type of player. Both inside mids & both ordinary kicks. He added that Richmond should only be going after one of them and then going for different type of player.
Lloyd is a dumb campaigner. No wonder Knighter sacked him
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You may be right but in 2021, we were coming off back to back flags and Pies were coming off 17th. Ladder position has to be a consideration.
My analogy would be an auction where 2 guys are bidding - one has just sold his house with a 30 day settlement and the other guys is not yet on the market.
The urgency is different.
end of 2021 we weren't coming off a flag, we were 12 months post a flag.
the urgency was starting to become apparent after having a poor year, and a serious injury to our best player, and so what did we do. Extend the contract of George mid year, and not even bother with FA or adding to our fitness department. We are good to go again they would have thought, and they were 100% wrong.
Freo finished 11th and picked up brodie for virtually nothing. 12 months later and with many stars past 30 we are scrambling for one more shot at the title.
Not bagging them for going after these 2. I feel the club is just too late to the party, and if one more flag was the aim then they stuffed this up 12 months ago.
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I can't find the vision but Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified last night said he disagreed with Richmond going after both Taranto and Hopper because they are same type of player. Both inside mids & both ordinary kicks. He added that Richmond should only be going after one of them and then going for different type of player.
He has no idea ordinary kicks there not elite , but not ordinary same goes for some of the best players in the game.
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You may be right but in 2021, we were coming off back to back flags and Pies were coming off 17th. Ladder position has to be a consideration.
My analogy would be an auction where 2 guys are bidding - one has just sold his house with a 30 day settlement and the other guys is not yet on the market.
The urgency is different.
end of 2021 we weren't coming off a flag, we were 12 months post a flag.
the urgency was starting to become apparent after having a poor year, and a serious injury to our best player, and so what did we do. Extend the contract of George mid year, and not even bother with FA or adding to our fitness department. We are good to go again they would have thought, and they were 100% wrong.
Freo finished 11th and picked up brodie for virtually nothing. 12 months later and with many stars past 30 we are scrambling for one more shot at the title.
Not bagging them for going after these 2. I feel the club is just too late to the party, and if one more flag was the aim then they stuffed this up 12 months ago.
We did the right thing picked up 5 quality kids last year had to be done that was most important.
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I can't find the vision but Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified last night said he disagreed with Richmond going after both Taranto and Hopper because they are same type of player. Both inside mids & both ordinary kicks. He added that Richmond should only be going after one of them and then going for different type of player.
He has no idea ordinary kicks there not elite , but not ordinary same goes for some of the best players in the game.
Fyfe anyone.
Bont
Plenty of ordinary kicks but tol shelf
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It staggers me that any so called expert thinks getting Taranto AND Hopper is in any way a negative thing.
They clearly don't do any in depth analysis before shooting off their mouths in the media.
This a huge get for us. Any fool knows that.
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Least with Jackson now requesting a trade the media focus will shift to that deal. We can just get it done.
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Junior (Willy) Rioli has made a decision on his future and informed West Coast of his desire to be traded to Port Adelaide.
The Power are also chasing Western Bulldogs midfielder Josh Dunkley, who is weighing up long-term offers from the Power, Brisbane and the Dogs.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/842663/goalsneak-wants-power-switch-eagles-bitterly-disappointed-
A caller to SEN claimed Dunkley had been offered a 7-year deal by a club other than the Bulldogs.
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Saw this posted on BF.
According to sen this morning
Tigers interested in Robbie Fox and Mitch Crowden
i can see why Crowden that midfield half foward role
Source: BigFooty (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-5.1289189/post-76621743).
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ROBBIE FOX
(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/392a4747ad6e17c6962f32f15f723cf9)
Position: Defender
D.O.B.: 16 April 1993 (age 29)
Height: 185 cm (6 ft 1 in)
Weight: 84 kg
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/R/Robbie_Fox.html
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/sydney-swans-defender-robbie-fox-is-in-careerbest-form-with-teaching-to-fall-back-on/news-story/a444897896bc3516182c8bd590dd53f8
Mitchell CROWDEN
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Position: Midfielder
Age: 23
Height: 175cm
Weight: 83kg
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/M/Mitch_Crowden.html#20220
https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/players/1561/mitch-crowden
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Least with Jackson now requesting a trade the media focus will shift to that deal. We can just get it done.
Fmd this kid is overrated.
If Grundy has taught us anything it's that you don't need a gun ruck and you don't pay them big coin.
The million dollar/year suggestions are laughable.
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Robbie Fox signed a contract extension less than a week ago lol
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Robbie Fox signed a contract extension less than a week ago lol
Cheers TK :laugh:.
Got to love this time of the year!
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You may be right but in 2021, we were coming off back to back flags and Pies were coming off 17th. Ladder position has to be a consideration.
My analogy would be an auction where 2 guys are bidding - one has just sold his house with a 30 day settlement and the other guys is not yet on the market.
The urgency is different.
end of 2021 we weren't coming off a flag, we were 12 months post a flag.
the urgency was starting to become apparent after having a poor year, and a serious injury to our best player, and so what did we do. Extend the contract of George mid year, and not even bother with FA or adding to our fitness department. We are good to go again they would have thought, and they were 100% wrong.
Freo finished 11th and picked up brodie for virtually nothing. 12 months later and with many stars past 30 we are scrambling for one more shot at the title.
Not bagging them for going after these 2. I feel the club is just too late to the party, and if one more flag was the aim then they stuffed this up 12 months ago.
We did the right thing picked up 5 quality kids last year had to be done that was most important.
Not talking about the kids I am happy with Gibcus and Sonsie only. The rest are a dime a dozen and i think especially T Brown is a total bust at this stage.
I'm talking about FA and we could have given them this years picks which is essentially what Freo did to GC. Pies gave dogs pick 43 for a player who has similar stats to Hopper.
Instead of signing George we could have offloaded him.
Dusty coming off a serious injury, and we were asleep at the wheel 12 months ago.
Those are the facts.
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Trade Radio starts 10am this morning.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Trade Radio starts 10am this morning.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
I’d rather listen to finger nails being run along a chalk board for 8hrs a day
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SOS: I think the deal gets done (for Jacob Hopper). Robbie and Paul wouldn't have nominated Richmond if they couldn't.
SOS: The Tigers have pick 12. I think that's what Taranto is worth.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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WHY SILVAGNI EXPECTS RICHMOND TO LAND BOTH HOPPER AND TARANTO
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
14 September 2022
Stephen Silvagni is of the belief that Richmond will be successful in pulling off the double coup of GWS pair Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto.
The former Giants and Carlton list boss can definitely see Hopper making his way to the Tigers given that his managers Robbie D’Orazio and Paul Connors often get the result they want for their players.
“I think the deal gets done,” Silvagni said on AFL Trade Radio.
“If I know Robbie D’Orazio and Paul Connors well enough, Hopper wouldn’t have been put out there and nominated Richmond if that deal can’t be done.
Damian Barrett added: “That is a management group that nominates a club and gets it done.”
Silvagni acknowledges that the Giants will be well within their rights to ask for a fair bit in return if both Hopper and Taranto are to depart.
“I would think that the Giants would be asking plenty for them, but the reality will say ‘you know what, this is what you’re going to get’,” he added.
“They’ve managed their list well in terms of their strategy to be able to trade players out and get really good young talent in.
“They’ve done that really well but I guess their salary cap situation, if they look over time they may have been able to do that better. They had a real crack at a Grand Final a couple of years ago to hold their players.
“I think the Hopper one will get done and I think the Taranto one will get done. They’ve got pick 12, the Tigers, and I think that’s what he’s worth.”
Matthew Lloyd is not convinced by Richmond’s trade ploy, believing both players aren’t overly required at Punt Road.
“I’m surprised they’re going for both of them,” he said.
“I don’t think they’re great kicks of the footy. They’re contested beasts, they’re your clearance (players).
“They’ve got Dusty (Martin) who still has another two years (on his contract), they’ve got Dion Prestia, Jack Graham, I love Jayden Short and Liam Baker going in to the midfield.
“It’s going to be interesting to see how they work those two into it.”
However, Silvagni has backed the pursuits of the Tigers who should now have a very deep midfield mix.
“I think it’s about the mix they put in there,” he said further.
“Obviously (Shai) Bolton can go through there, we know that Dusty still has some explosiveness as well. Whether they play (Trent) Cotchin a little bit sparingly through the middle.
“With Taranto being able to go forward, Hopper is that real beast, that ball-winning beast. I don’t mind it.
“Then there’s some talk in terms of the interchange going to five next year, and how do they spin their midfield, so that could be all part of the planning.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/14/why-silvagni-expects-richmond-to-land-both-hopper-and-taranto/
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Lloyd provides further evidence he knows nothing
Says:
Matthew Lloyd is not convinced by Richmond’s trade ploy, believing both players aren’t overly required at Punt Road.
“I’m surprised they’re going for both of them,” he said.
“I don’t think they’re great kicks of the footy. They’re contested beasts, they’re your clearance (players)"
Seriously?? He thinks contested beasts / clearance players aren't overly required at Richmond??
Shaking my head
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Given GWS are making a salary cap dump, all the footy media talk about us having to give up all our picks plus players is fanciful. Silvagni is at least talking more realistically.
12 -> Taranto
Future first -> Hopper
Throw in a player or two (esp. if we're going to delist them anyway) that we and Kingsley agree on to sweeten the deal. Throw in a pick swap or a pick back if need be. We aren't a club that goes out to screw other clubs in trade deals as you want good relations for future trading.
We then keep picks 19 & 30 or thereabouts and either draft two more kids this year or trade one for a future pick next year.
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Apparently, SEN's "trade bell" earlier today threw out that St Kilda is interested in Soldo.
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And that Adelaide are keen on Jack Graham but that he wants to stay in Melbourne so Carlton might come into play
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And that Adelaide are keen on Jack Graham but that he wants to stay in Melbourne so Carlton might come into play
Sounds like they are just regurgitating what they said two years ago when Graham was last out of contract. He's contracted for next year now.
Sep 10, 2020:
Essendon and Adelaide were linked to Graham in recent weeks, but AFL.com.au can reveal Carlton is also monitoring the premiership Tiger.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/498758/man-in-demand-blues-the-third-club-to-circle-flag-tiger
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/14/rival-clubs-monitoring-former-first-round-tiger/
Rival clubs are keeping tabs on out-of-contract Richmond midfielder Riley Collier-Dawkins, according to AFL Media’s Riley Beveridge.
Collier-Dawkins, 22, was taken at pick No.20 in the 2018 National Draft but has only mustered 11 AFL games in the yellow and black.
Given that Collier-Dawkins has failed to find his footing at Punt Road and the club is set to bring in GWS pair Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper this trade period, Beveridge’s colleague Cal Twomey says there’s a “watch” on the young Tiger moving clubs.
“We talk about Liam Stocker, but a pick or two after him in that year’s draft was Riley Collier-Dawkins in that 2018 intake,” Twomey said on SEN Breakfast.
“Riley Beveridge reported in Inside Trading that some clubs are monitoring the Collier-Dawkins situation at Punt Road.
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Griffin Logue anyone? Apparently down to the kangas or us…..
https://mobile.twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1570328612561362944?t=OJ7UFubPKmSobC5ffueSeA&s=19
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Griffin Logue anyone? Apparently down to the kangas or us…..
https://mobile.twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1570328612561362944?t=OJ7UFubPKmSobC5ffueSeA&s=19
And the race is over lol
https://mobile.twitter.com/bymarcmcgowan/status/1570340197623287808?s=46&t=916PZwekxL2EymG6WE29cw
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We couldn't have done it anyway
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Not actually disappointed we missed out either. He wouldn't be a replacement for Jack.
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/14/rival-clubs-monitoring-former-first-round-tiger/
Rival clubs are keeping tabs on out-of-contract Richmond midfielder Riley Collier-Dawkins, according to AFL Media’s Riley Beveridge.
Collier-Dawkins, 22, was taken at pick No.20 in the 2018 National Draft but has only mustered 11 AFL games in the yellow and black.
Given that Collier-Dawkins has failed to find his footing at Punt Road and the club is set to bring in GWS pair Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper this trade period, Beveridge’s colleague Cal Twomey says there’s a “watch” on the young Tiger moving clubs.
“We talk about Liam Stocker, but a pick or two after him in that year’s draft was Riley Collier-Dawkins in that 2018 intake,” Twomey said on SEN Breakfast.
“Riley Beveridge reported in Inside Trading that some clubs are monitoring the Collier-Dawkins situation at Punt Road.
RCD will be way down the pecking order if both Taranto and Hopper end up at Punt Rd. It won't be a surprise if he ends up elsewhere next year such as at GWS as part of the trade we will need to do with them.
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Trade latest: Tigers lose out to rival for WA tall
The Tigers have lost out to a lower-ranked rival for Dockers tall Griffin Logue. Here’s how the deal could get done.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trades-geelong-eyes-collingwoods-oliver-henry-and-gws-giants-tanner-bruhn/news-story/05d23e613fec8338286db60b24ef3b51
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Griffin Logue anyone? Apparently down to the kangas or us…..
https://mobile.twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1570328612561362944?t=OJ7UFubPKmSobC5ffueSeA&s=19
And the race is over lol
https://mobile.twitter.com/bymarcmcgowan/status/1570340197623287808?s=46&t=916PZwekxL2EymG6WE29cw
Thank goodness for that
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We need a genuine key forward with the potential to kick an average of 3 or 4 a game. This bloke is not it and looks to be better suited in the backline
I doubt they went too hard
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We need a genuine key forward with the potential to kick an average of 3 or 4 a game. This bloke is not it and looks to be better suited in the backline
I doubt they went too hard
I don’t think there are any key forwards in the game anymore that can avg 4 goals a game. The only player that averaged above 3 this season was Lynch at 3.3.
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There are a few with the potential to kick 3 goals a game , no good aiming low
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Griffin Logue anyone? Apparently down to the kangas or us…..
https://mobile.twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1570328612561362944?t=OJ7UFubPKmSobC5ffueSeA&s=19
And the race is over lol
https://mobile.twitter.com/bymarcmcgowan/status/1570340197623287808?s=46&t=916PZwekxL2EymG6WE29cw
Thank goodness for that
Norf offered Lobbe a 5-year contract. Whispers around they are also paying him $700k p.a. :o.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dockers-logue-to-accept-five-year-deal-at-north-melbourne-20220916-p5bim8.html
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Sam Edmund claiming the Suns may also do a salary dump.
Edmund was asked by Gerard Whateley: “so, potentially, Suns players who we couldn’t have imagined are on the open market?”
“I think so,” Edmund replied.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/17/suns-could-be-prepared-to-pull-the-trigger-to-break-the-cycle-on-salary-cap/
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GWS likely to target a second-round pick for Bobby Hill, who has formalised his trade request to get to Collingwood. With the Giants set to have a stack of early draft picks this year, a future selection may be more appealing.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/846192/small-forward-confirms-wish-to-head-to-magpies
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Richmond & Geelong go for A graders in their trades. @CollingwoodFC go for blokes struggling for a game!
I'm not bagging the blokes we're linked with, only that we have players just as good already.
https://twitter.com/yurglegurgle/status/1571415977161822208
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A trusted source informs me that Hunter Clark will formally ask for a trade out of St. Kilda #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/IncrediblyBozza/status/1571433650566352897
Multiple sources that are pretty good now. Feels like Clark is gone.
https://twitter.com/RankerAfl/status/1571434752544247808
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I know Taranto deal is pretty well done BUT what deal would we need to get Jack Steele?
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I know Taranto deal is pretty well done BUT what deal would we need to get Jack Steele?
Think you'd want Jack Steele to say he wants to leave St Kilda first
He doesn't, he's their captain and I'm pretty sure he signed a contract extension either during this season or last season
If you're asking as a hypothetical, then it would cost you at least a 1st rounder and probably a 2nd. Or a 1st rounder and player
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Isn’t/wasn’t he a Tiger fan before being drafted? Hunter.
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I know Taranto deal is pretty well done BUT what deal would we need to get Jack Steele?
Think you'd want Jack Steele to say he wants to leave St Kilda first
He doesn't, he's their captain and I'm pretty sure he signed a contract extension either during this season or last season
If you're asking as a hypothetical, then it would cost you at least a 1st rounder and probably a 2nd. Or a 1st rounder and player
Considering he’s their captain on a long term contract and an absolute gun, I’d think you’d need 2 top 10 picks and then some more picks/player on top.
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I know Taranto deal is pretty well done BUT what deal would we need to get Jack Steele?
No way known they'd trade him. If they did they may as well fold the Club.
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Josh Dunkley has requested a trade to Brisbane.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/19/star-bulldog-requests-a-trade-to-brisbane/
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A very good source informs me that Tom Mitchell will seek a trade to Collingwood officially in the next few days. #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/IncrediblyBozza/status/1571676395734175744
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As mentioned in the Norf thread, the AFL has handed Norf freebie 2023 second and third round picks they need to trade away in this draft period for players.
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Dimma was asked about Taranto and Hopper on AFL360 last night:
Robbo: [while talking to Goodwin] Are you curious like all of us how they [Richmond] are going to fit in Taranto and Hopper into the salary cap. What's going on?
Hardwick: We're like Goody, we're trying to improve our list.
Robbo: And they're contracted [laughs].
Hardwick: One of them is. They're two pretty good players as far as we are concerned.
Robbo: They are, absolutely.
Hardwick: At the end of the day, you know, we've got great respect for GWS. So we'll deal with those guys and there will be no postering from us. We understand that if these players are available to come to us, we'd love to facilitate it. They will be adequately rewarded.
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This may come in handy in our quest to get Hopper.
Clubs allowed to ‘salary dump’ in a major change to AFL trade rules
Michael Gleeson
The Age
September 20, 2022
The AFL has made a major shift in player trading this year, officially allowing clubs to “salary dump”, or trade out players on big contracts for minimal draft return.
The change will allow clubs to more easily get a player’s contract off their books to ease the strain on their salary caps.
The AFL is in the process of informing all clubs of the change in policy which will see clubs able to trade out players on large contracts for minimal draft pick return as long as the other clubs takes over the player’s contract.
Clubs also have the option to do things like bundling an attractive early draft pick with a highly paid player in a trade for just a lowly pick as a way of getting the player’s salary off the books.
Read more: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/clubs-allowed-to-salary-dump-in-a-major-change-to-afl-trade-rules-20220919-p5bjbv.html
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Hang on.
So the AFL is essentially offering compensation to a club who dumps their contracted player after they have mismanaged the crap out of their TPP to the point of basically breaching it, provided at least one other club is prepared to pay it?
Sounds bad. Worse than FA compo.
Clubs should suffer in their jocks if they have agreed to pay their players too much money.
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Ah, the annual moving of the goal posts! Its usually a sign that the Sydney Swines want to do something dodgy! :help
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Ah, the annual moving of the goal posts! Its usually a sign that the Sydney Swines want to do something dodgy! :help
Nope - Gold Coast and GWS.
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Fremantle's Darcy Tucker has settled on North Melbourne as his preferred new home, joining Dockers teammate Griffin Logue as wanting to play at Arden Street.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/847382/another-docker-seeks-move-to-north-melbourne
I can confirm that [Gold Coast's] Brayden Fiorini has chosen Collingwood as where he wants to play in 2023. #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/IncrediblyBozza/status/1572085120433295364
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“GWS is the most likely, but Gold Coast, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and Geelong are all showing interest in Meek.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/19/six-clubs-after-ruckman-who-could-double-his-earnings/
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Did we have interest in Narkle last year or was that just media speculation?
Quinton Narkle (Geelong)
“Quinton Narkle, his management are in talks with multiple clubs.
“The Cats say he’s a required player, but he has no contract, he’s not playing.
“If there’s a suitor there, Quinton Narkle will definitely be playing for someone else next year.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/20/first-round-saint-likely-to-join-rival-as-edmund-delivers-trade-wrap-on/
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This may come in handy in our quest to get Hopper.
Clubs allowed to ‘salary dump’ in a major change to AFL trade rules
The AFL is in the process of informing all clubs of the change in policy which will see clubs able to trade out players on large contracts for minimal draft pick return as long as the other clubs takes over the player’s contract.
Clubs also have the option to do things like bundling an attractive early draft pick with a highly paid player in a trade for just a lowly pick as a way of getting the player’s salary off the books.
Read more: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/clubs-allowed-to-salary-dump-in-a-major-change-to-afl-trade-rules-20220919-p5bjbv.html
So we could now get Hopper for either pick 30, a future 2nd, or a player swap?
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“GWS is the most likely, but Gold Coast, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and Geelong are all showing interest in Meek.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/19/six-clubs-after-ruckman-who-could-double-his-earnings/
Not sure why we would be chasing another ruckman unless an existing one is on the way out?
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Emerging ruckman Nick Bryan is on Richmond’s radar. As Richmond are prepared to include Ivan Soldo in the Hopper/Taranto deal, they want to bolster their ruck stocks. #Richmond #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/Jono_Tel/status/1572191828283359232
Nick BRYAN
Position: Ruck
Age: 20
Height: 203cm
Weight: 101kg
Contracted until 2023.
(https://resources.essendonfc.com.au/photo-resources/2021/06/07/21aaa812-3522-48de-ad63-a1ae16bd0434/07EsCa21QR866246063.JPG?width=1416&height=2124)
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“GWS is the most likely, but Gold Coast, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and Geelong are all showing interest in Meek.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/19/six-clubs-after-ruckman-who-could-double-his-earnings/
Lloyd Meek has nominated Hawthorn as the club he wants to join however Fremantle are eager to keep him at the club. Meek is contracted for next season.
- Cal Twomey
https://twitter.com/hawthornzone/status/1572137251446083587
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This may come in handy in our quest to get Hopper.
Clubs allowed to ‘salary dump’ in a major change to AFL trade rules
The AFL is in the process of informing all clubs of the change in policy which will see clubs able to trade out players on large contracts for minimal draft pick return as long as the other clubs takes over the player’s contract.
Clubs also have the option to do things like bundling an attractive early draft pick with a highly paid player in a trade for just a lowly pick as a way of getting the player’s salary off the books.
Read more: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/clubs-allowed-to-salary-dump-in-a-major-change-to-afl-trade-rules-20220919-p5bjbv.html
So we could now get Hopper for either pick 30, a future 2nd, or a player swap?
Sounds like yes, as long as the TPP squeeze is so tight that GWS basically has to dump him. Article doesn't say anything about where the draft picks would land though but you'd think there's a secret (discretionary) formula like FA comp.
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Did we have interest in Narkle last year or was that just media speculation?
Quinton Narkle (Geelong)
“Quinton Narkle, his management are in talks with multiple clubs.
“The Cats say he’s a required player, but he has no contract, he’s not playing.
“If there’s a suitor there, Quinton Narkle will definitely be playing for someone else next year.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/20/first-round-saint-likely-to-join-rival-as-edmund-delivers-trade-wrap-on/
I think we had a very mild interest.
He actually gets a reasonable amount of ball when his game time is higher but it's often low - you'd wonder if he doesn't have a big tank.
I'd consider taking him on if he's cheap - which he probably will be.
But ultimately I don't see the point given that RCD couldn't get a game.
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Pass bigtime, tank not big enough and no left foot.
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Hearing the Taranto deal is progressing well. Hopper is the more complicated one.
Sam Edmund on SEN: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1044143
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I wouldn’t be upset with just Taranto. The interesting one for me is GCS are keen to offload Bowes for salary cap and also willing to throw pick 7 in as well. I don’t think we can entertain that prospect since we need to make sure Taranto and the future is sorted (Bolton and sonsie for example) but jeez, throwing in a top 10 pick is a pretty wild sweetener
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I wouldn’t be upset with just Taranto. The interesting one for me is GCS are keen to offload Bowes for salary cap and also willing to throw pick 7 in as well. I don’t think we can entertain that prospect since we need to make sure Taranto and the future is sorted (Bolton and sonsie for example) but jeez, throwing in a top 10 pick is a pretty wild sweetener
Things must be bad bad bad.
Good option for crap teams looking to rebuild like Norfff
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The Gold Coast Suns are willing to offer pick 7 as well as Jack Bowes to interested clubs, reports AFL Media’s Cal Twomey.
The Suns are eager to ease salary cap pressure by offloading former no.10 pick Bowes, who still has two years to run on his current contract, and sweetening it with the 7th selection in this year’s draft.
Twomey understands that four Victorian clubs - Hawthorn, St Kilda, Geelong and Essendon - are showing interest in the combination.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/21/four-victorian-clubs-interested-in-sun-and-pick-7-combo/
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Can someone explain this to me? They will give away a top 10 player and pick 7 for nothing?
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Can someone explain this to me? They will give away a top 10 player and pick 7 for nothing?
Yep. The link above explains it. The Suns are using the new trade rule where you are now allowed to offload a contracted player to free up salary cap space including adding a cherry on top (pick 7 in this case) if another club is willing to take on that player's existing contract. Clearly, after losing Rankin, a freed-up salary cap is now more important to Gold Coast than another early pick who will likely leave in a couple of years anyway because of their tight salary cap. In essence, it looks like they are using this new trade rule to try and break that cycle.
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What do the Suns get out of the deal?
“The motivation is to free up the salary cap space and ease that pressure,” he [Twomey] added.
“They do have some re-signings that are important next year in Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson.
“And also in time they’re going to be a destination club. I can see the Suns becoming like Brisbane has become.
“They’re likely to get pick 5 as part of the Izak Rankine deal so they will still have a foot at the front of the draft.”
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Can someone explain this to me? They will give away a top 10 player and pick 7 for nothing?
Yep. The link above explains it. The Suns are using the new trade rule where you are now allowed to offload a contracted player to free up salary cap space including adding a cherry on top (pick 7 in this case) if another club is willing to take on that player's existing contract. Clearly, after losing Rankin, a freed-up salary cap is now more important to Gold Coast than another early pick who will likely leave in a couple of years anyway because of their tight salary cap. In essence, it looks like they are using this new trade rule to try and break that cycle.
If he's not good enough to be on the contract he's on then that is mismanagement, and handing another team pick 7 is simply curing mismanagement with further mismanagement.
I'm sure this is some ruse to get more top players and picks to Geelong ...
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What do the Suns get out of the deal?
“The motivation is to free up the salary cap space and ease that pressure,” he [Twomey] added.
“They do have some re-signings that are important next year in Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson.
“And also in time they’re going to be a destination club. I can see the Suns becoming like Brisbane has become.
“They’re likely to get pick 5 as part of the Izak Rankine deal so they will still have a foot at the front of the draft.”
Thanks for that. It still seems insane to me though. I mean, unless they're going to throw their hands up in the air and stop drafting entirely (which is illegal--3 picks minimum) then you're always going to head to the draft, and if you are, you might as well head there with pick 7 instead of pick 77.
If the player, Bowes, is good enough to be on a troublesome contract then he is good enough to be paid that contract elsewhere without pick 7 needing to head that way as well. ("Please, he's a jet, we'll give you pick 7 to pay him!" huh?) I mean why are we packaging up picks for Taranto and Hopper when they should apparently be heading our way instead?
If he's not good enough to be on that contract then that is mismanagement, but paying another club pick 7 to take him is curing mismanagement with further mismanagement.
Are we sure this isn't a new mechanism for keeping Geelong perpetually at the top. They've already changed the on-field rules to suit the style of those soft panic-merchants.
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Surely we can work it , back end a contract or 2
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Suns are expecting to get Adelaide's pick 5 for Rankine
So it's not like they are going to miss out on a top 10 pick
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What sort of attitude is that though? They're literally giving away pick 7 for NOTHING.
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What sort of attitude is that though? They're literally giving away pick 7 for NOTHING.
It’s trading a pick for salary cap relief.
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What sort of attitude is that though? They're literally giving away pick 7 for NOTHING.
It’s trading a pick for salary cap relief.
I honestly can't believe it's a thing. It's encouraging teams who are rubbish at list management to be worse at list management by ending up with a garbage list instead of a pricey one. No idea how that is expected to be a good thing.
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Well.the afl rewards incompetent clubs they gave sun's a priority pick last couple of years for what situations like this poor management.
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They won’t be giving it up for nothing, they’ll be a pick coming back their way. Probably a switch of first rounders lol if I had to guess.
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Well.the afl rewards incompetent clubs they gave sun's a priority pick last couple of years for what situations like this poor management.
Any coincidence that the AFL change the rules just as God Coast and GWS need to do a salary dump? Absolutely disgraceful!
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Well.the afl rewards incompetent clubs they gave sun's a priority pick last couple of years for what situations like this poor management.
Any coincidence that the AFL change the rules just as God Coast and GWS need to do a salary dump? Absolutely disgraceful!
Good point
Other Clubs have had to go down the salary dump fire sale over the years and the AFL did nothing
Now suddenly they do something
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What sort of attitude is that though? They're literally giving away pick 7 for NOTHING.
It’s trading a pick for salary cap relief.
I honestly can't believe it's a thing. It's encouraging teams who are rubbish at list management to be worse at list management by ending up with a garbage list instead of a pricey one. No idea how that is expected to be a good thing.
Common in other sports around the world.
It's just an incentive for another club to pay the contract.
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The Suns did the same with Will Brodie to Freo.
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Jay Clark throwing out Graham and Soldo.
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Jay Clark | The Two Players Richmond Could Sacrifice To Land Hopper & Taranto
"They do want some ruck support."
Richmond's pursuit of Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto could come at a cost, according to Triple M's Jay Clark.
Hopper and Taranto have nominated the Tigers as their preferred destination in the upcoming trade period.
But with two ready-made stars ready to walk in, it could come at the cost of two more established names.
"They need to come up with the best part of a first-round and a second-round pick for each of those," he explained.
WHO RICHMOND COULD LOSE:
Audio in the link: https://www.triplem.com.au/story/jay-clark-the-players-richmond-could-sacrifice-to-land-hopper-taranto-206327
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No fn idea these guys.
Should be a moratorium on footy media discussing trades until after the gf.
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
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Graham needs to stay.
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
A lot of people just don’t realise how special Lambert was as a player
Genuine star
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
He was not right to go. Dimma played one player who was not right to go- Dusty. Couldn't take the chance with 2 players playing injured. Did everything he could do to get up, and he is still having toe issues.
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
He was not right to go. Dimma played one player who was not right to go- Dusty. Couldn't take the chance with 2 players playing injured. Did everything he could do to get up, and he is still having toe issues.
Our medical staff had confirmed he was available for selection. He was far more match fit than Dusty. He just didn't get picked. That tells me the coaching staff didn't think his form before the injury warranted selection.
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
He was not right to go. Dimma played one player who was not right to go- Dusty. Couldn't take the chance with 2 players playing injured. Did everything he could do to get up, and he is still having toe issues.
Our medical staff had confirmed he was available for selection. He was far more match fit than Dusty. He just didn't get picked. That tells me the coaching staff didn't think his form before the injury warranted selection.
Sorry you are wrong.
He was not selected as per The Machine.
As for our fitness staff? I think it is fair to say they got more wrong in 2022 than they got right, so forgive me if I don't put much credence in turn declaring someone available for selection 3 days before a game
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
He was not right to go. Dimma played one player who was not right to go- Dusty. Couldn't take the chance with 2 players playing injured. Did everything he could do to get up, and he is still having toe issues.
Our medical staff had confirmed he was available for selection. He was far more match fit than Dusty. He just didn't get picked. That tells me the coaching staff didn't think his form before the injury warranted selection.
Trust me on this one Knighter :shh
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
Not often we agree but we do on this.
I have said it elsewhere - he should have played before Dusty. Both coming off injuries but at least Graham was match fit. Dusty would have been blowing cobwebs out.
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
He was not right to go. Dimma played one player who was not right to go- Dusty. Couldn't take the chance with 2 players playing injured. Did everything he could do to get up, and he is still having toe issues.
Our medical staff had confirmed he was available for selection. He was far more match fit than Dusty. He just didn't get picked. That tells me the coaching staff didn't think his form before the injury warranted selection.
Sorry you are wrong.
He was not selected as per The Machine.
As for our fitness staff? I think it is fair to say they got more wrong in 2022 than they got right, so forgive me if I don't put much credence in turn declaring someone available for selection 3 days before a game
He was listed as a test and considered available just like Dusty.
Should have played the defensive role on Neale.
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Jack Graham Foot Test
Dustin Martin Hamstring Test
Dylan Grimes Hamstring 3-4 weeks
Updated: August 30, 2022
Early prognosis
Both Martin and Graham should be available for selection in Thursday night's elimination final against Brisbane. Grimes is progressing well, having hit about 60 per cent running pace and started changing direction – Sarah Black
https://www.afl.com.au/news/832633/medical-room-the-full-afl-injury-list-ahead-of-finals-week-one
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Brisbane forward Dan McStay will join Collingwood after officially informing the Lions of his intention to head to the Magpies.
The Lions will get a free agency compensation pick for McStay, who is set to sign a five-year deal at the Magpies.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/848994/mcstay-opts-to-mcgo-lions-tall-set-to-join-magpies
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Adelaide has expressed interest in bringing Collingwood wingman Caleb Poulter home to South Australia.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/22/report-crows-keen-to-lure-collingwood-midfielder-home/
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Sounds pretty spot on to me. At least he was saying a 1st and 2nd rounder which sounds about right. Not like Karen and the anti Richmond mob that are demanding it cost us x2 1st rounders
Graham and Soldo are both fringe players with value and the right players to move on for some picks or as part of the Taranto / Hopper deals
Haha 😂… Graham is not a fringe player, in fact he’s the Lambert replacement. He’ll have his contract extended next year 😉
Not just me the coaching staff also think he is a fringe player because he wasn't picked for our final when he was right to go.
He is half the player Lambert was. To use the 2 in the same sentence is offensive to Kane.
He was not right to go. Dimma played one player who was not right to go- Dusty. Couldn't take the chance with 2 players playing injured. Did everything he could do to get up, and he is still having toe issues.
Our medical staff had confirmed he was available for selection. He was far more match fit than Dusty. He just didn't get picked. That tells me the coaching staff didn't think his form before the injury warranted selection.
Sorry you are wrong.
He was not selected as per The Machine.
As for our fitness staff? I think it is fair to say they got more wrong in 2022 than they got right, so forgive me if I don't put much credence in turn declaring someone available for selection 3 days before a game
He was listed as a test and considered available just like Dusty.
Should have played the defensive role on Neale.
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Jack Graham Foot Test
Dustin Martin Hamstring Test
Dylan Grimes Hamstring 3-4 weeks
Updated: August 30, 2022
Early prognosis
Both Martin and Graham should be available for selection in Thursday night's elimination final against Brisbane. Grimes is progressing well, having hit about 60 per cent running pace and started changing direction – Sarah Black
https://www.afl.com.au/news/832633/medical-room-the-full-afl-injury-list-ahead-of-finals-week-one
That's the same fitness staff though that told us Dusty would be back for the Round 20 game against Brisbane yet we didn't see him until a month later in the final and even then he was only at "80%". The same fitness staff that has overseen so many soft-tissue injures over the past two years. There's no surprise we are searching for new fitness and conditioning staff.
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That's the same fitness staff though that told us Dusty would be back for the Round 20 game against Brisbane yet we didn't see him until a month later in the final and even then he was only at "80%". The same fitness staff that has overseen so many soft-tissue injures over the past two years. There's no surprise we are searching for new fitness and conditioning staff.
Totally. I don't buy the stuff about everyone getting older etc. Our soft tissue and conditioning management this year was deplorable.
Regardless I think playing Dusty was a mistake. Graham or heck even RCD might have been better on Neale.
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That's the same fitness staff though that told us Dusty would be back for the Round 20 game against Brisbane yet we didn't see him until a month later in the final and even then he was only at "80%". The same fitness staff that has overseen so many soft-tissue injures over the past two years. There's no surprise we are searching for new fitness and conditioning staff.
Totally. I don't buy the stuff about everyone getting older etc. Our soft tissue and conditioning management this year was deplorable.
Regardless I think playing Dusty was a mistake. Graham or heck even RCD might have been better on Neale.
Say we beat Brisbane, would you have picked dusty for the Melbourne game and so on if we continued to progress through finals?
They had to pick him at some point it’s just a shame they couldn’t clear him to blow out some cob webs in round 22 or 23. I don’t really think his fitness was an issue and he was far from our worst.
If a guy who has been best on ground in 10 of his last 12 finals games is fit enough to play or anywhere close to that you play him imo.
Also think grahams ‘tagging’ abilities are being overblown by people here. Other than the 2017 grand final job he did on Sloane, is there really that much evidence he can shut down a top line midfielder moreso than anyone else on our team if they were given the job?
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It’s not always the amount of possessions a tagger stops it’s the quality of those possessions. Neale gave Brisbane silver service .To contradict myself ,I think Graham’s fitness level were down, as he was restricted with his training due to the foot injury which may have limited his effectiveness tagging Neale which may be why he wasn’t picked
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Graham struggled in round 1 IIRC coming back from a hammy and off no preseason games. Carlton got a hold of us in the midfield and we had no answer. It's a risk playing players who aren't right or underdone as the Swans are finding out with Sam Reid today.
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I heard we were looking at Hayden McLean.
No thanks.
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If I was Logan Mcdonald I'd be asking for a trade being dropped for McLean.
Playing Sam Reid a massive, massive mistake.
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If I was Logan Mcdonald I'd be asking for a trade being dropped for McLean.
Playing Sam Reid a massive, massive mistake.
I don't think Logan McDonald will leave but other clubs wouldn't be doing their "due diligence" if they weren't trying to get in his ear and convince him to leave the Swans after being dropped for the GF and with Buddy going on another year.
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Corruption over many years has paid off today Geelong.
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Corruption over many years has paid off today Geelong.
Crime Pays
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A deluded Adelaide supporter.
Jack Bowes, Izak Rankine and pick 7 to adel
Pick 7 to Richmond
Graham and pick 12 to adel
Rowe and pick 5 to gcs
https://twitter.com/FredBarker83/status/1573622040468209670
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Maybe pick 30 lol
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That's the same fitness staff though that told us Dusty would be back for the Round 20 game against Brisbane yet we didn't see him until a month later in the final and even then he was only at "80%". The same fitness staff that has overseen so many soft-tissue injures over the past two years. There's no surprise we are searching for new fitness and conditioning staff.
Totally. I don't buy the stuff about everyone getting older etc. Our soft tissue and conditioning management this year was deplorable.
Regardless I think playing Dusty was a mistake. Graham or heck even RCD might have been better on Neale.
Say we beat Brisbane, would you have picked dusty for the Melbourne game and so on if we continued to progress through finals?
They had to pick him at some point it’s just a shame they couldn’t clear him to blow out some cob webs in round 22 or 23. I don’t really think his fitness was an issue and he was far from our worst.
If a guy who has been best on ground in 10 of his last 12 finals games is fit enough to play or anywhere close to that you play him imo.
Also think grahams ‘tagging’ abilities are being overblown by people here. Other than the 2017 grand final job he did on Sloane, is there really that much evidence he can shut down a top line midfielder moreso than anyone else on our team if they were given the job?
All fair points but my feeling is that dusty hasn't played all year, hasn't looked interested, and we've learned to win without him.
I know what you mean re: his pedigree but I guess it will just always be a mistake for me. Maybe we should have parked him until '23.
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I get the sentiment. But imagine if we had not picked him and still lost by a small margin. We’d probably be sitting here saying they got it wrong by not picking him over some fringe player who was quiet.
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A good source informs me that Hawthorn will trade Tom Mitchell and their second round pick for Collingwood’s first round pick #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/IncrediblyBozza/status/1573870117892415488
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How can the pies afford Tom Mitchell who'd be on decent coin? Hawks paying a chunk?
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How can the pies afford Tom Mitchell who'd be on decent coin? Hawks paying a chunk?
They missed out on Taranto.
I think Cox coming ooc? He was on 600.
Grundy likely traded out.
De Goey not going to get the big coin he wants.
Maybe Hawks paying a bit.
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So
Mitchell
Hill
Frampton
Mc stay
Fiorini
And no carry on by flogs on SEN like Russell asking the AFL for a royal commission
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Trade Radio returns! Make sure you're tuning in via the AFL App or website!
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1573941372515627008
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Mitchell - Have to be on $600k plus
Hill - $400k ?
Frampton - $300k
Mc stay - $600k
Fiorini - $400k probably on that at GC.
I'm obviously guessing the numbers here but $2.3k coming in potentially with $700k coming out for Grundy and maybe $400k for Henry.
Either I'm way out in the numbers or they'd need to offload others?
No one retiring of note??
For a team who had to dump 4 players 3 years ago doesn't make sense to me
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Fiorini would command more than $400k surely
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Listening to McCartney today were near certainties to get Hopper & Taranto.
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Mitchell - Have to be on $600k plus
Hill - $400k ?
Frampton - $300k
Mc stay - $600k
Fiorini - $400k probably on that at GC.
I'm obviously guessing the numbers here but $2.3k coming in potentially with $700k coming out for Grundy and maybe $400k for Henry.
Either I'm way out in the numbers or they'd need to offload others?
No one retiring of note??
For a team who had to dump 4 players 3 years ago doesn't make sense to me
Lollingwood shopping at Dimmey's whilst Blair is strolling through the Rolls Royce showroom.
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Listening to McCartney today were near certainties to get Hopper & Taranto.
Taranto and Hopper
“It’s an interesting one to have two players of quality request to go to the same club,” McCartney told AFL Trade Radio.
“Tim’s a bit different to Jacob because Jacob is in contract. Richmond bowed out that first week of finals and they’ve identified a need in their midfield and obviously there’s two quality players there.
“Chatting with Blair Hartley and the Richmond guys and they understand the quality of these players and they understand it’s going to take a little bit of work with one still in contract. We’ll keep working through that.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/26/giants-list-manager-comments-on-taranto-hopper-bruhn-and-hill/
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TIM TARANTO AND JACOB HOPPER
Both Taranto and Hopper are set to join Richmond on seven-year deals in what looms as a huge double coup for the Tigers.
Taranto was also weighing up interest from Collingwood, while Hopper snubbed the Cats as Richmond is now set to be bolstered by two key additions to its midfield.
McCartney said such landmark deals are the “nature of player movement now” where it’ll help the Tigers shape the structure of their salary cap.
“It’s an interesting one to have that quality both end up choosing the one club. Tim is a bit different to Jacob, because Jacob is in contract,” McCartney said on AFL Trade Radio.
“Richmond bowed out that first week of finals and they’ve identified a need in their midfield, obviously there’s two quality players there. (We’re) In chats with Blair Hartley and the Richmond guys, they understand the quality of these players and that it’s going to take a bit of work with one still in contract. We’ll keep working through that though.
“To see two go the one club certainly is rare.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/greater-western-sydney-giants/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-gws-giants-latest-tim-taranto-jacob-hopper-sevenyear-deals-richmond-tigers-tanner-bruhn-geelong-cats-bobby-hill-collingwood-magpies/news-story/be7ae58993ee1e5b4b2fbb2575067148
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Logan McDonald to Richmond…? #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/KirkHebs10/status/1574189575588974592
Would be handy but wishful thinking.
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RICHMOND - Players that could arrive
GWS duo Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto have their sights set on landing at Richmond, and veterans Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin have already done their part in the process by signing reduced money deals for 2023 to free up some cap space. They’ll probably need to spend their two top-20 picks from this year and next year’s first-rounder to nab the pair.
Liam Stocker is a name floated in recent weeks after he was delisted by the Blues. It was reported that Richmond were interested in drafting him back in 2018 before the Blues jumped the queue.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-2022-trades-state-of-play-before-the-trade-period-every-clubs-targets-contracts-free-agents-draft-picks/news-story/1531b61b133efab01890419656a95165
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"There are players that get motivated by going to another club. This is maybe what he needs. To go in a new direction."
-> David Noble on Lachie Hunter
"You're probably looking at something in the late first round. When he's playing well, he's a very good player and very important to the Bulldogs when at his best."
-> Stephen Silvagni on Hunter's value
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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I'd say Lachie Hunter is worth a second rounder.
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:cheers
I'd say Lachie Hunter is worth a second rounder.
Depends what his contract is per year ?
If getting paid too much , he’s probably not worth a second rounder
If getting paid unders , he’s probably worth early second
If way unders, late first maybe
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Logan McDonald to Richmond…? #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/KirkHebs10/status/1574189575588974592
Would be handy but wishful thinking.
Developing KPF? Any good?
"There are players that get motivated by going to another club. This is maybe what he needs. To go in a new direction."
-> David Noble on Lachie Hunter
"You're probably looking at something in the late first round. When he's playing well, he's a very good player and very important to the Bulldogs when at his best."
-> Stephen Silvagni on Hunter's value
https://twitter.com/traderadio
I'd be interested in Hunter. Upgrade for the wings.
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McDonald would be worth a crack if we could afford it, but I don’t think so as Sydney’s KPF are similar in age to ours.
Hunter no thanks, another back flanker / wing is not what we need
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De Goey rejects Collingwood contract offer over behavioural clauses.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/de-goey-rejects-collingwood-contract-offer-over-behavioural-clauses-20220926-p5bl4t.html
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Mitch Cleary on 7news tonight claimed Gold Coast's Jack Bowes in "strongly linked to Geelong" because Dangerfield is a fan.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1574320383678742528
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Oh surprise surprise, and I suppose they will pocket pick 7 as well.
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Corruption at Scats park continues. B Scott changes rules to suit his twin
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At Richmond, list manager Blair Hartley is preparing to pull an old trick out of his kitbag as the Tigers look to hand over their top picks from this and next year’s draft to electro charge the engine room.
In 2016, Richmond off-loaded pick six for ex-Gold Coast onballer Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy in a move which helped them win three flags.
And next month, Richmond will hand over selections 12, 19 and 30, plus next year’s first-rounder for hard nut Jacob Hopper and fire-starter midfield-forward Tim Taranto.
The Tigers beat the Cats and Magpies for the pair’s signatures with blockbuster seven-year deals which did raise some eyebrows at clubs around the league.
But there again is the boldness at play.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-trade-2022-how-the-trade-period-could-play-out-and-what-clubs-will-be-out-to-achieve/news-story/4a8a4cf127170b066103c5c8a40d5934
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RICHMOND
It’s the definition of going all in. Richmond will surely have to trade all of picks 12, 19, 30 and a future first-rounder and expend $1.5 million a year of cap space on Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper. But if they can land that pair their midfield fortunes are set until 2030. Riley Collier-Dawkins is yet to be offered a new deal and rivals could circle late. GWS hasn’t discussed players in the trade but Ivan Soldo has been floated. The Giants have enough half-backs so aren’t interested in Hugo Ralphsmith, who surely the Tigers must keep anyway. Jack Graham has rival interest but the Tigers would be mad to let him go under any circumstances.
LIKELY INS: Jacob Hopper, Tim Taranto
LIKELY OUTS: No one yet. Maybe Jack Graham, Ivan Soldo and Riley Collier-Dawkins.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/trade-guide-every-clubs-targets-and-potential-departures-in-2022/news-story/28cc99bded0459d5f1f414b43e62a9a0
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I'm comfortable with what is above if it pans out that way. I'd expect some later picks back though.
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I'm comfortable with what is above if it pans out that way. I'd expect some later picks back though.
They have two picks in the 50's which I'd want back at least
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Trade Radio already interviewing delisted nobodies with all due respect to Will Hayes on day 2.
Really takes the excitement out of the trade period not to mention the prior 6-8 weeks of media reporting.
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Is this how the Tigers get the dynamic midfield duo over the line?
Josh Jenkins's Mega Trade!
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1574578319407849476
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Please let it be so!
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Id be happy with that
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Always rated Josh Jenkins…….
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SUNS SET FOR $2M PLAY
Geelong is reportedly in the mix for out-of-favour Suns defender Jack Bowes, who has a heavily backended contract.
Bowes’ contract for the next two years is reportedly worth more than $1 million overall, with the Herald Sun reporting the Suns are keen on offloading him along with pick No.7 this trade period.
SEN reports Geelong is “very interested” in Bowes and that he is owed roughly $850,000 next season, which is the second-last year of his current deal.
The Suns are looking to offload $2 million of salary cap space according to the Herald Sun, as the club looks to realign its player payments and keep the likes of Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson at the club.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-collingwood-magpies-bid-for-tom-mitchell-targets-hawthorn-hawks-blake-acres-carlton-blues-fremantle-dockers/news-story/265d92d5231a41578614f813360ed0b6
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Please let it be so!
+1
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No chance GWS would take that deal.
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Is this how the Tigers get the dynamic midfield duo over the line?
Josh Jenkins's Mega Trade!
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1574578319407849476
That ain't no "mega trade"
Not even close
GWS will want more than that
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Is this a really good trade?
If we just traded Taranto is there another option we could be looking at??
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
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Fake Trade
Tigers receive Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto.
Giants receive Sydney Stack, future 2nd and pick 12.
#AFLTrade #AFLtrades
Official Journalist for The Roar. I cover AFL Trade news and rumours and cricket.
https://twitter.com/FredBarker83/status/1574722617268834304
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
Good post but I suspect Hopper is a salary dump and they’re keeping it on the down low. They have enough inside mids to cover him.
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
Good post but I suspect Hopper is a salary dump and they’re keeping it on the down low. They have enough inside mids to cover him.
Down low? It’s been well documented that gws are 1 mil+ over the cap next season. Bruhn would be on 200k, Bobby hill at most 400k, they most definitely need to get rid of hopper. By all accounts hopper and Taranto are happy at gws, if it wasn’t for their cap situation I suspect they’d both be playing for the giants next season.
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Quinton Narkle has been delisted by the cats today.
We have had heavy interest in the past.
Would be worth a punt.
Watch this space..
https://twitter.com/RFC_Centre/status/1574665383474188288
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Benny Gale on 7news last night was confident about getting both the Taranto & Hopper deals done.
Grimesy on 9news said it will be exciting to have both of them around Punt Rd long term.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1574683471284678661
https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1574683475961069568
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Quinton Narkle has been delisted by the cats today.
We have had heavy interest in the past.
Would be worth a punt.
Watch this space..
https://twitter.com/RFC_Centre/status/1574665383474188288
Depth on minimal coin maybe
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
Clearly they want him off the books. Not sure what else you call it? If they'd prefer to keep him, he's under contract so they can and trade out others.
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Hopper is a dump 100%
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
Good post but I suspect Hopper is a salary dump and they’re keeping it on the down low. They have enough inside mids to cover him.
Down low? It’s been well documented that gws are 1 mil+ over the cap next season. Bruhn would be on 200k, Bobby hill at most 400k, they most definitely need to get rid of hopper. By all accounts hopper and Taranto are happy at gws, if it wasn’t for their cap situation I suspect they’d both be playing for the giants next season.
Context for downlow - they aren’t explicitly stating it - nor are the dealing like GC or Collingwood from 2020.
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
Clearly they want him off the books. Not sure what else you call it? If they'd prefer to keep him, he's under contract so they can and trade out others.
They don’t ‘clearly’ want him off the books. Where is it clearly stated that’s the case?
In contrast you have Collingwood pushing Grundy out the door. Hawks with Mitchell. Gold Coast doing the same with Bowes.
It actually makes more sense for the Giants to keep him, and let him walk in free agency next season as the chances of it being a first round compensation pick tied to a (likely) top end pick will be better than what RFC can offer.
Again, it helps GWS to move from Hopper, but it isn’t their only option.
This is like any other trade for an in contract player. A team has made an offer that the current contract holder can’t match. They aren’t pushing him out the door.
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Hopper is a dump 100%
It 100% isn’t. It’s an inability to match a contract offer Richmond has made that in turn helps them shed salary. That’s not a dump at all.
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Hopper is a dump 100%
It 100% isn’t. It’s an inability to match a contract offer Richmond has made that in turn helps them shed salary. That’s not a dump at all.
It helps them dump him a year early that's all.
Chances are he'd have been shopped around if we hadn't asked the question. He's surplus to their needs, coming off injury, on decent coin and they're likely to get a good deal for him being contracted next year.
Otherwise they may as well keep him and hold him to his contract but they simply won't. They need the cap space.
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Richmond’s targeted response to critics over ‘risky’ seven-year deals for Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper
James Brien
24ssports.com/7news
28 September 2022
Richmond boss Brendon Gale has hit back at questions about the reported seven-year deals to GWS Giants midfielders Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, telling 7NEWS: “If you don’t take risks, you can’t advance.”
The teammates will join the Tigers in the AFL trade period, although their status as unsigned but not a free agent (Taranto) and scheduled for 2023 at GWS (Hopper) will complicate matters.
Richmond holds the No. 12, No. 19 and No. 30 picks in this year’s draft and will likely need to cough up next year’s first-round pick — and possibly a player — to close the deals.
However, with negotiations yet to officially begin, the reported lengthy contract offers – rumored to have combined annual wages of up to $1.5 million – have become the main subject of speculation.
Hopper will turn 26 in February and would leave the next few months of his contract before his 33rd birthday, while Taranto will turn 25 in January and would be close to 32 when his contract ends.
Premiership player Kane Cornes said the bids were “not the most responsible move by Richmond” and argued they prioritized Damien Hardwick’s quest for a fourth flag over anything else.
He likened it to Alastair Clarkson leaving a Hawthorn side out of the Premiership window when their top-up recruits Jaeger O’Meara, Tom Mitchell and Chad Wingard were still on the books.
Midfield pair O’Meara and Mitchell joined the Hawks a year after their last flag, 12 months ahead of Richmond’s schedule for Hopper and Taranto.
“That won’t be Damien Hardwick’s problem. It is very unlikely that he will coach Richmond for 20 years,” Cornes said on SEN this month.
Speaking to 7NEWS Melbourne at the Tigers’ awards night on Tuesday, Chief Executive Brendon Gale backed the club’s “due diligence” – and its history – on long-term offers for recruits.
“We looked at Dion Prestia a few years ago, these players in the 24, 25 age group, we all have expectations that they will play for many years to come,” he said.
“So there is a risk with all players, but if you don’t take a risk you don’t progress. We think these are reasonable risks as things stand.”
Prestia joined Richmond on a five-year contract from Gold Coast in 2016, aged 24, when players other than Lance Franklin were far less likely to receive such long-term offers.
Injuries have limited Prestia at times, but he became a triple-premiership player with a year on his original contract and was rewarded with a three-year extension in early 2021, running until he was 32.
Gale, meanwhile, did not offer an expected time frame to secure Hopper and Taranto during the eight-day trading period, but expressed confidence in their ability to close the deals.
“Like any team, after seeing Geelong (win the grand finals) we have work to do, they’ve been very impressive so we’re working very hard to find areas to improve our list,” he told 7NEWS.
“There was speculation, but we still have a lot to do. They are players that we believe can make us better as a football team. I’ll leave that and we’ll just be patient.
“I think we have a proven track record of making deals that are fair to everyone and we just keep going, so I’m confident that will get resolved.”
https://24ssports.com/afl-business-news-richmonds-targeted-response-to-critics-over-risky-seven-year-deals-for-tim-taranto-and-jacob-hopper/
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Poor form being so critical of the most successful club boss around.
Anyway if things don't pan out we're allowed to dump their salaries now :lol
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The 7-year contracts will be structured so the bulk of the cash will be paid in the middle years once Dusty and Lynch's current contracts have ceased. Then they tail off again so Taranto and Hopper will be on lower salaries when they are both 32 years old. $750k p.a. will be not high anyway in seven years time given the increasing salary cap.
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No wonder Port are so poo as according to Kornhole it’s a bad idea to prioritise a premiership
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7news says Jordan De Goey has re-signed with Collingwood for 5 years.
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
Clearly they want him off the books. Not sure what else you call it? If they'd prefer to keep him, he's under contract so they can and trade out others.
They don’t ‘clearly’ want him off the books. Where is it clearly stated that’s the case?
In contrast you have Collingwood pushing Grundy out the door. Hawks with Mitchell. Gold Coast doing the same with Bowes.
It actually makes more sense for the Giants to keep him, and let him walk in free agency next season as the chances of it being a first round compensation pick tied to a (likely) top end pick will be better than what RFC can offer.
Again, it helps GWS to move from Hopper, but it isn’t their only option.
This is like any other trade for an in contract player. A team has made an offer that the current contract holder can’t match. They aren’t pushing him out the door.
Don’t see how hopper is any different to the others you have named. None of those players, their clubs or their management have come out and said they are looking to move them on, it’s just been heavily reported in the media the same as with hopper. The Tom Mitchell comparison is a poor one too. Hawks aren’t in salary cap trouble like the giants, they just see a 30+ year old with diminishing performances and market value that they’d much prefer to move on since they are right in the middle of a rebuild and would prefer to play one of their kids. They would have no trouble paying his salary next season.
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Jack Gunston has played his last game at Hawthorn after telling the club he intends to join Brisbane as a free agent.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/852381/gun-forward-s-hawks-career-over-as-lions-move-beckons
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You have to remember that Hopper is a salary dump and we're doing them a favour otherwise he'd be staying.
I'm thinking 2 firsts plus a player or pick 30 get a this done.
Hopper isn’t a salary dump.
Giants would prefer to keep him.
Whilst it does help there salary situation, there are many ways to reduce cap, made easier by the AFL signing off on picks + salary for lower pick salary dump trades for this trade period..
Again, trading Hopper helps GWS, but they’re not the ones pushing Hopper out the door like Pies are with Grundy and also did with Treloar.
Clearly they want him off the books. Not sure what else you call it? If they'd prefer to keep him, he's under contract so they can and trade out others.
They don’t ‘clearly’ want him off the books. Where is it clearly stated that’s the case?
In contrast you have Collingwood pushing Grundy out the door. Hawks with Mitchell. Gold Coast doing the same with Bowes.
It actually makes more sense for the Giants to keep him, and let him walk in free agency next season as the chances of it being a first round compensation pick tied to a (likely) top end pick will be better than what RFC can offer.
Again, it helps GWS to move from Hopper, but it isn’t their only option.
This is like any other trade for an in contract player. A team has made an offer that the current contract holder can’t match. They aren’t pushing him out the door.
Don’t see how hopper is any different to the others you have named. None of those players, their clubs or their management have come out and said they are looking to move them on, it’s just been heavily reported in the media the same as with hopper. The Tom Mitchell comparison is a poor one too. Hawks aren’t in salary cap trouble like the giants, they just see a 30+ year old with diminishing performances and market value that they’d much prefer to move on since they are right in the middle of a rebuild and would prefer to play one of their kids. They would have no trouble paying his salary next season.
Fair point in regards to Mitchell, think you’re spot on as to why Hawthorn are moving from him. I agree with you that my use of him as a comparison is a poor one.
In relation to Grundy, it’s been widely reported that Grundy wants to stay at Collingwood, but Pies want him out to bring in all the other players they’re targeting this off-season. To move him, Pies will pay some of his salary.
In relation to Bowes, the fact that the Suns are willing to include a high FRP to facilitate a deal is classic contract dumping actions.
GWS aren’t doing either of the above with Hopper. In fact, if I was the Giants I’d be saying to Richmond we could attach one of the many picks we will be getting this off-season and move on from someone like Haynes. Point being, I don’t think that the Giants will discount the price of Hopper too much because of their salary situation.
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Agree to disagree. I see the Grundy and hopper situation as very similar in principal just not as high profile as Grundy is being paid more, is a more recognised ‘star’ and plays for Collingwood so the media beat up is more intense and frequent. I’ve heard numerous articles basically saying the same about both in that their preference in an ideal world would be to stay at their current club but that their clubs need to move them on for mismanaging their cap so the players and their management have taken it upon themselves to talk to rival clubs.
In terms of trade value, I don’t think he is worth 2 first rounders whether the club is pushing him out or not. We have picks 12, 19, 30 and a future first to deal currently and I’m of the opinion if we can grab both players while holding 1 of those 4 picks (ideally 19 or the future first) then we’ve done very well.
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From David Zita's live trade talk this arvo on the Foxsports website:
Q: jack graham and pick 12 for pick 8 and a future second from port sound fair?
Zita: Heard far worse trade proposals than that one, don't mind it
Q: Is the Taranto/hopper a done deal? Seems like Tigers will have to pay alot
Zita: Both will get done I think Blueboy, will be a lot to pay but the Tigers have the draft capital to make it happen
Q: Do you think GWS will want Draft picks for Taranto/Hopper or will players be used too? Soldo has been thrown up but what about an Aarts/Castanga to replace Hill?
Zita: They're happy to go hard at the draft, mini-reset of sorts under Kinglsey, clearing cap space and giving Kingsley a clear runway
Q: What will it take for Port to lure Jack Graham to Alberton? Could the Amon compo pick be enough? And how does the Rioli deal go down - will Port need to trade for picks?
Zita: Believe the compo pick will be second round and that wont be enough for Port to get Graham. More likely to get Rioli deal going than it is Amon
Q: What day do you expect the Hopper and Taranto deals to be completed?
Zita: Always a dangerous game this one... I reckon start of second week.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-jack-bowes-geelong-cats-gold-coast-salary-dump-ollie-henry-tanner-bruhn-fox-footy-trade-chat/news-story/ec7549dc138dd5f08d338341880eb500
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Melbourne's Jayden Hunt could land at @WestCoastEagles as early as tomorrow when free agency period opens.
https://twitter.com/SweeneyPaddy9/status/1575274200901636096
Essendon is among the clubs trying to lure fringe forward Toby Bedford out of Melbourne. Demons have offered three years to Bedford. He is still weighing up his future as GWS, Dons circle.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1575350816180822021
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1575356481024983040
Lion Tom Berry requests trade to Gold Coast.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1575337086038659072
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"We can tell you today that the Essendon Footy Club hasn't given up hope on getting into the conversation with Jordan De Goey."
- Damian Barrett
"I still feel that he will wade through these clauses in the contract and stay.
We keep saying in this business though, until the signature is on the line, it's yet to be official."
- Damo
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1575371217938178049
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It was mentioned about a month ago that they had to shed about 1 million+ from next years cap so they set about achieving this in a methodical way.
By releasing this information so far out it has enabled them to put players up for trade enabling prospective suitors to plan towards this eventuality.
It is still a salary dump but a well planned one.
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7news says Jordan De Goey has re-signed with Collingwood for 5 years.
Confirmed today by Collingwood.
https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/1230786/jordan-de-goey-signs-on-at-collingwood
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Free agency, trades, draft: Every AFL club's list needs ahead of 2023
Chris Doerre
ESPN
30 September 2022
Richmond
List needs:
* Star midfielders
* Recycled or state league need-fillers who can add to Richmond's best 22
* Midfield speed
Who should they target?
With a midfield that has long struggled at stoppages and to win the contested ball, now is the opportune time for Richmond to aggressively pursue established ball winning midfielders. GWS duo Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper are the two Richmond have targeted and look set to secure during the trade period as two difference makers who can propel the Tigers back into premiership contention.
With Geelong proving that topping up on opposition talent and state leaguers is a winning formula for premiership success, Richmond may have one final chance to aggressively work towards putting together a premiership side. With Jed Anderson out of contract and Liam Stocker delisted, they would be budget list additions who importantly play the style of football that would fit Richmond.
If Taranto and Hopper are being added to Richmond's midfield, there will need to be an injection of speed and run around them to balance the Tiger's midfield. With Paddy Dow on the fringe for Carlton and having no clear path to a best 22 position, he would be an ideal midfield complement if willing to move.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/34688291/afl-2022-trade-free-agency-draft-period-every-club-list-needs-ahead-2023
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"Is 12, 30 and 27 enough for the Giants for both Taranto and Hopper?" - Sando
"I don't think that's enough. They're on record saying that want two first-rounders for Taranto." - Edmund
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1575692432750284801
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Is 27 enough for Graham should be the question given it will slide to 30-odd.
And despite the cap squeeze I don't see how we can get out of the Taranto/Hopper trade without giving up at least 12, 19 and F1. However if that's enough to get it done and we hit the draft with 30 and possibly 27 that's not a bad outcome.
If GWS need 30 to get the deal over the line I want their 3rd rounders back.
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Here's Sanderson and Sam Edmund's full discussion about us and Taranto/Hopper:
Listen here: https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1575707731956146177
Sanderson and Edmund also threw up:
12 + Future 1st for Taranto
19 + 27 + 30 for Hopper
Plus Soldo.
Then they say Pick 27 for Graham won't get it done either. Pick 8 is too high unless something comes back the other way.
2 mins later they are talking about pick 27 for Graham as a done deal.
Got to love how any deal that screws us is fine while the media forget that GWS need to do a salary cap dump :facepalm ::).
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Wow I'd rather go to the draft with 12, 19, 27, 30 and F1
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Pie Ollie Henry wants to make the move to Geelong, reports @ClarkyHeraldSun.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1575684945049440259
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Pie Ollie Henry wants to make the move to Geelong, reports @ClarkyHeraldSun.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1575684945049440259
Shame I think he's worth a look myself
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Watch Pies get more for Henry (out of contract) than we do from Jack Graham.
Here's my plan.
Pick 8 & 27 for Graham & 30
8, 12, 27 our future second to GWS for those boys.
Still want Jack to stay.
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Watch Pies get more for Henry (out of contract) than we do from Jack Graham.
Here's my plan.
Pick 8 & 27 for Graham & 30
8, 12, 27 our future second to GWS for those boys.
Still want Jack to stay.
What did we spend 19 on??
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Wow I'd rather go to the draft with 12, 19, 27, 30 and F1
Agree
Should Sanderson and Edmund be right then we should walk and go to the draft. Take the long haul
See how GWS deal with that
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Callum Twomey reckons Graham is worth a future 2nd rounder.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/852582/young-pie-s-trade-price-who-s-the-frontrunner-for-bowes-
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Callum Twomey reckons Graham is worth a future 2nd rounder.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/852582/young-pie-s-trade-price-who-s-the-frontrunner-for-bowes-
Keep him for that
People think I want him gone, not true.
What I am saying is that if we get good value, or overs, then make it happen
If we get bent over for Taranto and Hopper, and then get unders for Graham, it's a horrible result
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Watch Pies get more for Henry (out of contract) than we do from Jack Graham.
Here's my plan.
Pick 8 & 27 for Graham & 30
8, 12, 27 our future second to GWS for those boys.
Still want Jack to stay.
While we would like pick 8, I don't see Port giving it up and dropping back 3 spots in the 2nd round for Graham. That would mean their first live pick wouldn't be until pick 53 given they also have to trade that 2nd rounder for Willie Junior Rioli. Port would want something else going the other way from us.
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He’s under contract. Eff of Port or pony up. Simple.
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If Taranto and Hopper are being added to Richmond's midfield, there will need to be an injection of speed and run around them to balance the Tiger's midfield. With Paddy Dow on the fringe for Carlton and having no clear path to a best 22 position, he would be an ideal midfield complement if willing to move.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/34688291/afl-2022-trade-free-agency-draft-period-every-club-list-needs-ahead-2023
Paddy Dow? I've read it all now :facepalm
Paddy can't get a game regularly at Carlton
His brother can't get a game with us. He will fall further down the pecking order now with Taranto and Hopper coming in
I mean seriously
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Watch Pies get more for Henry (out of contract) than we do from Jack Graham.
Here's my plan.
Pick 8 & 27 for Graham & 30
8, 12, 27 our future second to GWS for those boys.
Still want Jack to stay.
That puts Graham's value higher than pick 8? Absurd lol
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Watch Pies get more for Henry (out of contract) than we do from Jack Graham.
Here's my plan.
Pick 8 & 27 for Graham & 30
8, 12, 27 our future second to GWS for those boys.
Still want Jack to stay.
That puts Graham's value higher than pick 8? Absurd lol
Lol
I want some of what pmac21 is on
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I think he is saying don’t let him go for unders as he is still a required player which is spot on in my opinion
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Richmond’s budget – Abandon one of two GWS mids to get a young forward
Jenkins believes the Tigers should recruit just one of Hopper or Taranto and spend the remainder on a young key forward.
“I would like them to go after one of the two midfielders that have been spoken about,” he said on AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Mornings.
“Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto are the two mids that have both requested trades to Richmond. I’m saying go for Hopper and not Taranto, but I don’t mind either way, one of the two.
“They are both going to be in the $700-750,000 range from all reports, so there’s not a lot left.
“A young key forward is important. Jack Riewoldt is close to 34, Tom Lynch is not young either (29) and Lynch has had some injuries. A nasty PCL which slowed him up and he had some injuries last year.
“Mabior Chol left, Callum Coleman-Jones left, because they just couldn’t provide them opportunities.
“They need depth in that space. Samson Ryan is a guy I’ve spoken about. Early days he was considered a key forward prospect but he’s developed and grown, he’s 206(cm) and whether he becomes a Rory Lobb type, I’m not sure.
“I think the Tigers need to spend that remaining $250,000-odd and go and poach a young key forward. I’m not talking Mitch Georgiades, because he’s going to cost a lot more, but I’m talking about someone who is not getting a game.
“A young, tall forward who the Richmond recruiters can look at and say, ‘We identify him as a talent of the future, he needs another year in the VFL, then hopefully he can take Jack’s spot in 2024’.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/01/richmonds-budget-drop-interest-in-one-of-two-giants-mids-to-get-a-young-key/
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Rather than spend $250k on a crap tall not getting a game in any mediocre team we may as well play Taranto as a resting medium forward lol.
Good overhead and a nice shot for goal.
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Miss out on a gun mid to try and pick up a cheap forward who could turn out to be another Josh Jenkins? :nope
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It’s a ramble by an idiot. When Jack and Cotch retire next year, we can land a key forward for $500-600k.
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Cheap key forwards are the Datsun 120Y of footballers.
The moment you own one, the closer you are to getting rid of it! :thumbsdown
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Jenkins is trying to stay relevant...
Ridiculous. Of course you would chase the gun mid fielders x 2 over a 'potential' key forward
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Melbourne forward Toby Bedford has requested a trade to Greater Western Sydney.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/853670/make-me-a-giant-demons-forward-requests-trade-to-gws
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RICHMOND (finished seventh)
Draft picks: 12, 19, 31, 85.
Who could be on the move:
Jack Graham toured Port Adelaide, feeling he might be squeezed out of the Tiger midfield by the likely arrival of Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, but the Tigers will be keeping him. They traded their third and fourth-round picks in this year’s draft, so they might look at trading players who could bring in a few picks as their first three picks are likely to go on bringing in the two GWS recruits.
What do they need and who could they target:
The Tigers, as is well known, are trying to trade in Hopper and Taranto, both of whom have asked for trades to Richmond. That is going to cost them all three of this year’s draft picks at least and probably a shuffle of picks next year with the Giants.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/your-team-by-team-guide-to-free-agency-and-trade-week-20220928-p5blk8.html
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With Graham out of the equation (think a second round pick as suggested way unders for him anyway) how do the deals with GWS get done?
I think they'll be done separately.
Taranto for 12 I think gets it done.
Hopper for 30 and next year's 1st plus as he's contracted. May also need a player.
Hope it happens early
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Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto to Richmond
The GWS duo are the biggest fish to land this trade period, given they are heading together to the Tigers, where they’ve both been offered seven-year deals. Tim Taranto is an easier prospect for Richmond and GWS to reach an agreement on given he’s out of contract. The Tigers have in play picks 12, 19, 30 and next year’s first-rounder. As things stand, the Giants want two first-rounders in exchange for Taranto’s services but, like the deal for Jeremy Cameron with Geelong, a second-round pick from the Giants could come back the other way. For Hopper, a first-round pick will be on the cards in exchange for a player taken with pick No.7 by the Giants. “In chats with (Tigers head of footy) Blair Hartley and the Richmond guys, they understand the quality of these players and that it’s going to take a bit of work with one still in contract. We’ll keep working through that though,” McCartney said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/sticking-point-in-stars-7m-move-as-deal-for-former-no3-pick-hits-stalemate-trade-state-of-play/news-story/830339641419d82032a2e5b188d352e4
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Jason Horne-Francis will be requesting a trade back to SA, Port Adelaide to be precise
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854039/power-switch-young-roos-star-eyes-trade-to-port-adelaide
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Oh well, there goes any other club air time for a few days.
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For Taranto and Hopper to come, we won't have 12, 19 or next year's first rounder.
Will be a question of what else gets the deal done.
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Jason Horne-Francis will be requesting a trade back to SA, Port Adelaide to be precise
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854039/power-switch-young-roos-star-eyes-trade-to-port-adelaide
Wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole.
Arrogant, entitled and unprofessional.
North should count their lucky stars and get the best deal they can.
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Jason Horne-Francis will be requesting a trade back to SA, Port Adelaide to be precise
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854039/power-switch-young-roos-star-eyes-trade-to-port-adelaide
The centerpiece of the Port Adelaide offer is this year’s pick 8 and next year’s first round selection.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1576518298589487104
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Norf now wishing they took our offer of picks 7 (Gibcus), 15 (Brown), 26 (Sonsie) and Coleman-Jones.
Fortunately for us, they only traded the pick 19 for CCJ.
Thanks, Norf! ;D
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Jason Horne-Francis will be requesting a trade back to SA, Port Adelaide to be precise
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854039/power-switch-young-roos-star-eyes-trade-to-port-adelaide
Wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole.
Arrogant, entitled and unprofessional.
North should count their lucky stars and get the best deal they can.
Yep. Was this the pussy who cried when noble gave them a spray.
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Jason Horne-Francis will be requesting a trade back to SA, Port Adelaide to be precise
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854039/power-switch-young-roos-star-eyes-trade-to-port-adelaide
Wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole.
Arrogant, entitled and unprofessional.
North should count their lucky stars and get the best deal they can.
Yep. Was this the pussy who cried when noble gave them a spray.
Dunno if he cried but the stories and evidence I've seen on the telly are poor.
Spraying ya team mates. Flying home without telling the club. Refusing to do recovery sessions. Late to training.
Sell high Norf and run.
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The paperwork is being completed for Bobby Hill. He is set to land at the Magpies in exchange for a future second round pick. GWS and Collingwood to also swap third round picks
@AFLcomau @traderadio
https://twitter.com/JoshGabelich/status/1576738864001355776
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Ben Waterworth on Foxsports live trade talk:
Q: Good Morning Ben. With the latest news regarding Paddy Dow, there was rumours amongst the Richmond fans mid-season that they'd try and snare Paddy to play with Thomson during the trade period. Do you see this news… more
Ben Waterworth: Hi Gil, yes Dow and Tigers were linked mid-year. Even though he was a Pick 3 and he's contracted, I reckon enough time has passed now where the Blues might be happy to accept a second-rounder for Dow considering how little senior footy he's played in recent years.
Q: Where’s Dow likely to end up? What’s he worth?
Ben Waterworth: No idea where he'll end up. Considering he's contracted, I'd say a mid second-rounder
A few questions on Dow and where he might end up. No official link to any club today, but there were reports in July Richmond and Geelong were interested in him.
Q: Riley Collier Dawkins is there any idea as to what is going to happen with him as hasn’t been offered a contract at Tigers yet
Ben Waterworth: Not sure yet Rick! I'm a fan and think if he doesn't get a new contract he's worth a lifeline
Q: Will the Taranto deal get done today and also future first rounder and Soldo will that get the hopper deal done do you think
Ben Waterworth: Hi Rick, I would think it's certainly earlier in the trade period than later a Taranto deal will get done. Soldo could help the Hopper deal yes.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-trade-period-day-1-live-updates-chat-done-deals-draft-picks-jason-hornefrancis-trade-request/news-story/dbe943907e0446c4597fe17a30fd04a7
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So Paddy Dow worth the same as Jack Graham. Ok then.
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https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1576797001726894080
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Trade radio is a rabble. 2 trades actually done just now yet I have to listen to David Noble doing a list review.
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Got to love this time of the year :rollin.
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Gonna have to find a way to bring a young kpf into the club ASAP
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Gonna have to find a way to bring a young kpf into the club ASAP
Still reckon Weideman is worth enquiring about
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Gonna have to find a way to bring a young kpf into the club ASAP
Still reckon Weideman is worth enquiring about
Future 2nd should do it.
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Gonna have to find a way to bring a young kpf into the club ASAP
Still reckon Weideman is worth enquiring about
Absolutely not. Complete spud.
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Gonna have to find a way to bring a young kpf into the club ASAP
Still reckon Weideman is worth enquiring about
Absolutely not. Complete spud.
Agree.
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Brisbane Lions will receive a second-round compensation pick for Dan McStay (currently pick No. 35).
https://twitter.com/DanielCherny/status/1577133324006756355
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Blake Acres to Carlton is a done deal.
Freo will receive 2023 third round pick.
https://twitter.com/FootyRhino/status/1577120530892697600
Carlton will receive a third-round compensation pick for Liam Jones, currently pick No. 49.
https://twitter.com/DanielCherny/status/1577138538038325248
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A deal has been agreed upon that will see Griffin Logue & Darcy Tucker join the Roos.
The Dockers to receive North's AFL assistance picks - the future 2nd & 3rd round selections - and North's future 4th-rounder. In return Roos to get Logue, Tucker & Freo's future 3rd.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1577138780397776896
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Gonna have to find a way to bring a young kpf into the club ASAP
Still reckon Weideman is worth enquiring about
Absolutely not. Complete spud.
Agree.
Agree as well - very average player
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Trade paperwork lodged.
Melbourne trade its Round Two Selection (33), its Round Three Selection (43), and its Round Three Selection (53) to Port Adelaide for its Round Two Selection (27).
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1577175295198576640
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Trade paperwork lodged.
Melbourne trade its Round Two Selection (33), its Round Three Selection (43), and its Round Three Selection (53) to Port Adelaide for its Round Two Selection (27).
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1577175295198576640
Surely more to this ???
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Trade paperwork lodged.
Melbourne trade its Round Two Selection (33), its Round Three Selection (43), and its Round Three Selection (53) to Port Adelaide for its Round Two Selection (27).
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1577175295198576640
Surely more to this ???
27 will get Grundy done
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Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker will join @NMFCOfficial
North Melbourne Receive: Griffin Logue | Darcy Tucker | Future Third Round Pick
Fremantle Receive: Future Second Round Pick | Third Round Pick | Fourth Round Pick
https://twitter.com/TheRealAFL20/status/1577194059310907392
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FIVE potential landings spots for Paddy Dow
With the 22-year-old telling Carlton he wants to explore his options, we delve into which clubs could pursue him👇
By Juri Bilcich
zerohanger.com
October 5, 2022
1. Richmond
A move perhaps to Punt Road? Seeking new opportunities in the yellow and black would be the way to go for Dow as the Tigers possess a midfield which will only get stronger.
With the addition of former Giant Tim Taranto, and Jacob Hopper likely joining him, Dow would get more opportunities with the on-ball versatility the Tigers possess.
With former Captain Trent Cotchin in the twilight of his career and superstar Dustin Martin spending more time forward, it sets up an opportunity for him to spend the majority of his minutes in the midfield.
If Dow joins Richmond, it would help the side with contested possession having ranked 12th in Season 2022, while he would also join his brother, Thomson, at the club.
https://www.zerohanger.com/five-potential-landings-spots-for-paddy-dow-afl-trade-news-128468/
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No thanks. Underwhelming
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Paddy Dow wants out of Carlton for more senior opportunities
Why would he even consider Richmond where he would be further down the pecking order than his brother?
And aside from that 👇
No thanks. Underwhelming
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Surely we would only consider him as a Delisted Free Agent
And even then not sure we would be bothered.
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Dear me.
Black acres goes for nothing, lipinski last year for the same and the best is this dud?
I hope this is a bad joke and just a media build up.
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Surely we would only consider him as a Delisted Free Agent
And even then not sure we would be bothered.
Pretty sure he is contracted so needs to be traded
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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577435984127746048
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If Jack Bowes is traded to Geelong, with the Cats also gaining the prized pick seven in the national draft, the deal will represent a worrisome watershed in the competition’s history.
What should concern the AFL and what the Bowes deal lays bare is that expansion teams are nowhere near parity if they have to compete with the same set of rules as Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood, West Coast and so forth.
Greater Western Sydney operates under the same grim circumstances, or worse, than the Gold Coast, in that they have been forced to pay close to a million dollars a season for four players - Stephen Coniglio, Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield and Toby Greene - and for terms of at least six years. The player they could least afford to lose, Jeremy Cameron, joined the Cats for a lower price than he was paid at GWS.
The Giants and Suns are caught in a cycle of losing players, whom they have little choice but to overpay based on their high draft position; hence, the Giants are giving up Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper (albeit they have too many inside mids) rather than Coniglio or another older player on a hefty contract.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-problem-the-jack-bowes-trade-reveals-20221004-p5bn74.html
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1577457515851571200
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https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1577500524613861376
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Jack Bowes wants to play for Geelong next year. More on @AFLcomau.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1577508367966547968
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https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1577500524613861376
Do GWS realise they are going to be rubbish next year
This is CCJ and North over again
Don’t clubs realise that the future success is relevant to the future picks LMAO
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Trade submitted for Ben Long. His move from Moorabbin to Metricon Stadium to be official soon. St Kilda receives pick No. 32. Future fourth round pick heading to Gold Coast
https://twitter.com/JoshGabelich/status/1577548216178212865
Brisbane's Tom Berry to Suns has been done for 25 and 36. The Suns get Berry, the ontraded GWS future 2nd and 46. Lions get two picks for good points this year.
https://twitter.com/mickgleeson/status/1577537320072290304
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As revealed on @FOXFOOTY Trading Day, early discussions taking place on three-way deal w/ Kangaroos, Eagles, Power.
Roos would receive Pick No.2 (& a sweetener TBC), Port would get JHF & Junior Rioli, Eagles would get Pick 8 and a future first-rounder.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1577554182613405697
HOW THE TRADE WOULD WORK
Port Adelaide
Gets: Jason Horne-Francis and Junior Rioli
Gives: Pick 8 and future first-round pick (and another pick/player to Roos)
North Melbourne
Gets: Pick 2 (and another pick/player from Power)
Gives: Jason Horne-Francis
West Coast
Gets: Pick 8 and future first-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide)
Gives: Pick 2 and Junior Rioli
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2022-threeway-trade-for-jason-hornefrancis-north-melbourne-gets-picks-1-and-2-west-coast-port-adelaide-details/news-story/9b3996bf3f26c3d0c866cb89b272cf5b
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Find it staggering that the Eagles would be willing to give up pick 2.
First time they have had first round pick in years and it's pick 2 and they are willing to give it up.
:help
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Find it staggering that the Eagles would be willing to give up pick 2.
First time they have had first round pick in years and it's pick 2 and they are willing to give it up.
:help
Also strange the kangas only getting 2 and a player
What happened to them getting a boatload of picks ??
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Agree WP
Pick 2 to 8 is a huge drop. A free future first is decent I guess. But I wouldn't be doing it.
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Jack Bowes wants to play for Geelong next year. More on @AFLcomau.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1577508367966547968
Just fantastic.
Is this trade done? What pick or player are the suns getting?
The more I think about it the more I don’t blame the cats. I blame the afl and the suns for creating a system that allows it to occur.
Cats are cashing in and good luck to them.
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Jack Bowes wants to play for Geelong next year. More on @AFLcomau.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1577508367966547968
Just fantastic.
Is this trade done? What pick or player are the suns getting?
The more I think about it the more I don’t blame the cats. I blame the afl and the suns for creating a system that allows it to occur.
Cats are cashing in and good luck to them.
I don't know but who at the AFL created or approved this system that the Cats have benefitted from?
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Seem to always get the rub of the green, the question should be why didn’t we have a crack or we also constrained by high end contracts
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I feel over the last few years we haven’t been proactive as we should have been.
Deals over picks, players going for bargains have been happening all around us.
Cats saw an opp and made the most of it. Did they get inside word mid year who knows. Just like pies last year with Lipinski. I hope we aren’t considering Paddy Dow. That’s almost cringeworthy stuff getting that softie.
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I feel over the last few years we haven’t been proactive as we should have been.
Deals over picks, players going for bargains have been happening all around us.
Cats saw an opp and made the most of it. Did they get inside word mid year who knows. Just like pies last year with Lipinski. I hope we aren’t considering Paddy Dow. That’s almost cringeworthy stuff getting that softie.
I mean it's all about that pick 7 right? No one actually wants to pay a flop 800k a season when you can pick up Taranto for 700k.
I don't think we can bring Taranto and Hopper in AND find space in the cap for a worse player getting paid more than both of them. Geelong must have multiple retirements coming to be able to fit that in their cap.
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Find it staggering that the Eagles would be willing to give up pick 2.
First time they have had first round pick in years and it's pick 2 and they are willing to give it up.
:help
Also strange the kangas only getting 2 and a player
What happened to them getting a boatload of picks ??
The extra picks they are getting, their assistance package are picks in the 2023 draft and they have to trade them
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I feel over the last few years we haven’t been proactive as we should have been.
Deals over picks, players going for bargains have been happening all around us.
Cats saw an opp and made the most of it. Did they get inside word mid year who knows. Just like pies last year with Lipinski. I hope we aren’t considering Paddy Dow. That’s almost cringeworthy stuff getting that softie.
I mean it's all about that pick 7 right? No one actually wants to pay a flop 800k a season when you can pick up Taranto for 700k.
I don't think we can bring Taranto and Hopper in AND find space in the cap for a worse player getting paid more than both of them. Geelong must have multiple retirements coming to be able to fit that in their cap.
Get your point but they are saying his Geelong deal will be the remaining $1.6mil spread over 4 years
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Find it staggering that the Eagles would be willing to give up pick 2.
First time they have had first round pick in years and it's pick 2 and they are willing to give it up.
:help
Also strange the kangas only getting 2 and a player
What happened to them getting a boatload of picks ??
The extra picks they are getting, their assistance package are picks in the 2023 draft and they have to trade them
Sorry, you misunderstood, which is my fault
What I mean is , the Kangas were rumoured to be getting a lot more for JHF that just pick 2 this year and a player
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I feel over the last few years we haven’t been proactive as we should have been.
Deals over picks, players going for bargains have been happening all around us.
Cats saw an opp and made the most of it. Did they get inside word mid year who knows. Just like pies last year with Lipinski. I hope we aren’t considering Paddy Dow. That’s almost cringeworthy stuff getting that softie.
I mean it's all about that pick 7 right? No one actually wants to pay a flop 800k a season when you can pick up Taranto for 700k.
I don't think we can bring Taranto and Hopper in AND find space in the cap for a worse player getting paid more than both of them. Geelong must have multiple retirements coming to be able to fit that in their cap.
Get your point but they are saying his Geelong deal will be the remaining $1.6mil spread over 4 years
I’d wait for the details to come out but I can’t imagine a player who is owed $1.7 mil for 2 years agrees to spread that over 4 years meaning he’d essentially be playing for free for 2 years. I’d imagine his salary being spread means he’s agreed to take less per year but he’s still getting extra $$$$ on top of his already owed $1.6mil. So something along the lines of 2.4mil over 4 years which comes out to 600k a year rather than the 850k a year. Bowes gets extra years and dollars and Geelong spread out his $$$ to not put as much stress on their cap with the added bonus of pick 7.
And regarding pick 7 I reckon suns will get cats first rounder ~18 back or at the very least geelongs second rounder or future second. Then Geelong split that pick 7 for 2 end of first round picks (probably with GWS who have 3 picks in the teens) and then use one on bruhn and one on Henry. It’s why I think we have gws picks 12 and 19 on the first day of trade period so that they could have as much time as possible to snag another top10 pick while we have an understanding they’d accept a combo of our remaining picks and/or a fringe player for hopper.
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Agree TK. Bowes would be mad to take $2mil over four years
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Agree TK. Bowes would be mad to take $2mil over four years
Atleast that would be something, think a lot believe he’s just gonna take what he’s owed for 2 and spread it over 4 years which would be crazy on his end.
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Agree WP
Pick 2 to 8 is a huge drop. A free future first is decent I guess. But I wouldn't be doing it.
UPDATE: West Coast has blocked Jason Horne-Francis' path to Port Adelaide.
And the Eagles' stance could see the three-team arrangement fall over.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1577601255513681921
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Find it staggering that the Eagles would be willing to give up pick 2.
First time they have had first round pick in years and it's pick 2 and they are willing to give it up.
:help
Also strange the kangas only getting 2 and a player
What happened to them getting a boatload of picks ??
The extra picks they are getting, their assistance package are picks in the 2023 draft and they have to trade them
Sorry, you misunderstood, which is my fault
What I mean is , the Kangas were rumoured to be getting a lot more for JHF that just pick 2 this year and a player
Got ya !
Yes. I thought they'd want 2 first round picks and a player minimum.
Maybe no Port player wants to go there. Which is no great surprise especially now with the racism situation hanging over Clarkson
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I’d wait for the details to come out but I can’t imagine a player who is owed $1.7 mil for 2 years agrees to spread that over 4 years meaning he’d essentially be playing for free for 2 years. I’d imagine his salary being spread means he’s agreed to take less per year but he’s still getting extra $$$$ on top of his already owed $1.6mil. So something along the lines of 2.4mil over 4 years which comes out to 600k a year rather than the 850k a year. Bowes gets extra years and dollars and Geelong spread out his $$$ to not put as much stress on their cap with the added bonus of pick 7.
Sorry, my bad explanation
Yes, you are correct.The scenario you've suggested is how it is being reported. The $1.6mil plus a bit extra spread over 4 years.
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The Western Bulldogs are still chasing two first-round picks for Josh Dunkley, despite Brisbane trading out its top selection yesterday. Pre-season draft a growing possibility. Lions don't want to include any players in the deal.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1577816118429114368
Josh Dunkley’s move to the Brisbane Lions is on life support less than a week out from the end of the trade period. It can be revealed the Western Bulldogs are prepared to let Dunkley go through to the pre-season draft, such is their frustration over a lack of progress with the Lions on a suitable deal.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/05/bulldogs-willing-to-walk-dunkley-into-the-open-market-as-brisbane-talks/
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If GWS won't budge do we pivot and chase Dunkley??
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If GWS won't budge do we pivot and chase Dunkley??
I would > Hopper for sure.
But I think he's a better player than Hopper so I still think we'd have to find a steak knife to go with 31 + F1 at a minimum.
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If GWS won't budge do we pivot and chase Dunkley??
I would > Hopper for sure.
But I think he's a better player than Hopper so I still think we'd have to find a steak knife to go with 31 + F1 at a minimum.
Dogs have told Brisbane they want 2 first rounders for Dunkley. Don't think they are going to change that unless and we can't even offer that noe.
hypothetically we'd need to give up 2023 first rounder pick and then throw in a player that I don't think anyone of us would want to part with e.g. a Sonsie, Gibcus or Baker
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Also he wants to go to Queensland. Suspect if they can’t work out a deal then he’ll just sign a 1 year deal with the doggies which would take him through to free agency next season.
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Still 6 more days of trade week so plenty will happen closer to the cate.
Clubs just playing hard to get now.
Same thing every year.
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Mitch Cleary saying Kingsley wants Hugo as part of the Hopper deal.
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Mitch Cleary saying Kingsley wants Hugo as part of the Hopper deal.
Not happening… been rejected
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Mitch Cleary saying Kingsley wants Hugo as part of the Hopper deal.
Not happening… been rejected
Yup heard it on trade radio but they totally missed what Cleary reported in that Kingsley wanted him as part of the trade but Richmond knocked them back straight away.
Here’s the clip:
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1577884811628515328
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Saw an article that the Cats want to get Bruhn and Henry for peanuts, keep all their first rounders and get a good pick for Ratagolea.
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Rivals are circling young Cats midfielder Cooper Stephens who’s contracted for 2023.
https://twitter.com/InformationAfl/status/1577933369824116736
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TRADE DONE: Giant Tanner Bruhn to Geelong for Pick 18.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1578175421945765889
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Those close to Hunter Clark ... tell me he’s asked St.Kilda to be traded if fair deal can be done… Hunter furious with initially being put on market…
If John Doe betting man he lean towards Hunter leaving…
North and at least 2 other club in his mng ear.
https://twitter.com/ontheinner/status/1577997834343055360
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Those close to Hunter Clark ... tell me he’s asked St.Kilda to be traded if fair deal can be done… Hunter furious with initially being put on market…
If John Doe betting man he lean towards Hunter leaving…
North and at least 2 other club in his mng ear.
https://twitter.com/ontheinner/status/1577997834343055360
Did a Neanderthal write that?
Hunter angry. Hunter sleep. Hunter hungry. Hunter eat. Hunter kick. Hunter bump. Hunter mark. Hunter hunt.
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Those close to Hunter Clark ... tell me he’s asked St.Kilda to be traded if fair deal can be done… Hunter furious with initially being put on market…
If John Doe betting man he lean towards Hunter leaving…
North and at least 2 other club in his mng ear.
https://twitter.com/ontheinner/status/1577997834343055360
Did a Neanderthal write that?
Hunter angry. Hunter sleep. Hunter hungry. Hunter eat. Hunter kick. Hunter bump. Hunter mark. Hunter hunt.
He [John Doe] has had a few scoops that so far that have been on the money. He had Soldo agreeing to move to GWS before it came out in the media.
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Clubs are looking to see if there are provisions within rules that could allow them to trade out their future first and second-round picks to unlock deals. Exemptions are allowed in the 'two first-rounders in four years' rule. Could shape a few of the big deals to come.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1578223629661536256
More rule changes on the run from AFLHQ ::).
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"It makes sense for North to trade pick one." - SOS
"Tell me why." - Damian Barrett
"Because they are not getting the number 1 kid in the land (Ashcroft)." - SOS
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1578236193916919808
Welcome to the trade period :rollin.
Still another 5 days of this to go after today :-\.
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Between Barrett, Cornes, SOS, Lloydy and Cooney the trade period can get excruciating!!
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And Dwayne Russell the Geelong banner waver, talk about bias
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Pick Swap:
Geelong receive Round Two Selection (25).
Brisbane receive Round Two Selection (38 ), Round Three Selection (48 ), Round Three Selection (55), Geelong's 2023 Round Two Selection, and Geelong's 2023 Round Four Selection.
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1578251275728171008
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The Cats now expected to present Collingwood with pick 25 for Ollie Henry.
Geelong and Gold Coast have just met with the AFL’s head of player movement Ned Guy to thrash out the complex financial terms of the Jack Bowes deal. Still a bit to be worked through but the deal will be finalised this afternoon or early next week
@7NewsMelbourne
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
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https://twitter.com/BigFootyDraft/status/1578254858091888641
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Revealed / exclusive
A six club mega super deal is poised to break open trade period.
There are advanced discussions for gws to get pick 1, north 2 and 3, port Ratugolea / Junior Rioli / Horne-Francis, West Coast picks 8 and 12.
Brisbane Geelong involved in deal.
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1578304250580373505
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So will we just be upgrading three players from rookie to primary list this draft?
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Gws will be hoping this years draft is good
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So will we just be upgrading three players from rookie to primary list this draft?
Min. 3 selections including afl draft, pre-season draft and rookie upgrades. Reckon we’ll have atleast one pick in the afl draft, then atleast one rookie upgrade (Pickett) and probably a couple picked up in the rookie draft to replace Pickett and aarts (prob delisted).
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Gws will be hoping this years draft is good
The word is the first round or two is good but even after the first few (Ashcroft obviously the standout). Tails off after that although watching the Vic Metro vs Vic Country game there's some decent kids who may end up diamonds in the rough for smart recruiters with a good eye.
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Mega trade shaky at best with clubs expecting Port Adelaide to opt out as they look for deals to land Junior Rioli and Jason Horne-Francis @agerealfooty
https://twitter.com/petryan/status/1578640654087094272
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Melbourne key forward Sam Weideman is poised to move to Essendon for a pick.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/weid-out-a-solution-dees-dons-trade-could-set-off-dominoes-20221009-p5bodj.html
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The AFL have ruled out that "mega trade". You're still not allowed to trade both your future first and future second round picks.
Source: Trade Radio just now.
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The Izak Rankine trade is finally agreed upon. Will be official this afternoon. Details 👇🏻
https://twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1579294304522371078
Pick 5 for Rankine.
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Luke Jackson has been traded to Fremantle in a deal involving GWS.
Melbourne gets pick 13, Fremantle's future first round pick and future second round pick (tied to the Dockers) in exchange for Jackson, picks 44 and 67. GWS gets Toby Bedford.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579298610008973318
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Why did the Port Adelaide mega trade get blocked?
Did Fremantle just give away their 1st and 2nd future round picks as well as their 1st this year?
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Why did the Port Adelaide mega trade get blocked?
Did Fremantle just give away their 1st and 2nd future round picks as well as their 1st this year?
They got an additional round 2 pick from north for the logue and tucker deal so they were able to trade their own one out. Port only have their own so can’t trade both their future first and second.
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1579317335050944512
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Why did the Port Adelaide mega trade get blocked?
Did Fremantle just give away their 1st and 2nd future round picks as well as their 1st this year?
They got an additional round 2 pick from north for the logue and tucker deal so they were able to trade their own one out. Port only have their own so can’t trade both their future first and second.
Ahhh thanks Tiger Khosh
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https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1579322278197989377
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"I think there is still some possibility of the reigniting of the exchange between GWS and North Melbourne which could see North moving Pick 1 to GWS.
I'm hearing it's still being talked about in the last half hour."
- Damian Barrett
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579323313360629763
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Luke Jackson has been traded to Fremantle in a deal involving GWS.
Melbourne gets pick 13, Fremantle's future first round pick and future second round pick (tied to the Dockers) in exchange for Jackson, picks 44 and 67. GWS gets Toby Bedford.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579298610008973318
Freo got reamed there imo. Jackson very overrated. All hype about potential
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Luke Jackson has been traded to Fremantle in a deal involving GWS.
Melbourne gets pick 13, Fremantle's future first round pick and future second round pick (tied to the Dockers) in exchange for Jackson, picks 44 and 67. GWS gets Toby Bedford.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579298610008973318
Freo got reamed there imo. Jackson very overrated. All hype about potential
Still was a pick 3 only 3 seasons ago and won a premiership and the rising star in that time. 2 picks likely in the mid teens and another likely in the late 20s seems close enough to the mark.
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Mega deal back on and in front of AFL for approval. North Melbourne, GWS Giants, Port Adelaide and West Coast involved.
Assuming it gets green light, Horne-Francis and Rioli will get to Port, GWS pick one, WC 8 and 12, North 2, 3 and F1, then bunch of other convoluted pick swaps
https://twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1579332973757083648
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Mega deal back on and in front of AFL for approval. North Melbourne, GWS Giants, Port Adelaide and West Coast involved.
Assuming it gets green light, Horne-Francis and Rioli will get to Port, GWS pick one, WC 8 and 12, North 2, 3 and F1, then bunch of other convoluted pick swaps
https://twitter.com/ByMarcMcGowan/status/1579332973757083648
Might as well shut down Arden St if Norf throw away the chance to get Cadman :lol.
Anyway, hopefully a positive to come out of this for us is if GWS end up with a pick they can hand back to us for the Hopper deal.
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Mega deal back on involving the four key clubs. Greater Western Sydney a big part of the revised deal with their future second-round pick (tied to Collingwood) to enter the mix and satisfy AFL rules. Still needing to be approved but that may be missing piece.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579337935690018816
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Mega deal back on involving the four key clubs. Greater Western Sydney a big part of the revised deal with their future second-round pick (tied to Collingwood) to enter the mix and satisfy AFL rules. Still needing to be approved but that may be missing piece.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579337935690018816
I reckon we were eyeing off that pick if Soldo went with the Hopper deal
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Would see the Giants likely get back some picks in the third round, Port Adelaide end up with that future second-rounder and a future third from North (tied to Freo) and West Coast have Port's future second and third picks. Still to be approved but the deal has been revived.
https://twitter.com/p_mclaren/status/1579342943005315072
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The megadeal seems certain to get done in its current form, as @ByMarcMcGowan reports. There is no impediment to the AFL kyboshing it. Clubs are all happy. Port have the requisite future picks in their keeping. It's game on
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1579347904732745728
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The mega deal has been approved [by the AFL].
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579352287579103232
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https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579354046988943361
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West Coast got reamed. Sack their footy mgr.
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Norf are idiots. Just gave away a future generational key forward :lol.
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The Giants have made a bombshell #AFLTrade play for Jaeger O'Meara 👀
@ByMarcMcGowan has the details:
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1579358714653741056
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Jason Horne-Francis has signed a six-year contract with Port Adelaide, taking him through to 2028.
https://twitter.com/RileyBev/status/1579366509021106177
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6 years :gobdrop.
Norf fans not happy :snidegrin.
Thanks for the memories jason (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f400.png)
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https://twitter.com/JoshLFC_6/status/1579357967606255616
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Don’t blame them, what an entitled pos and a wasted pick
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1579627283777654784
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"The Dockers are looking for a future 2nd round pick for Lloyd Meek. Hawthorn are offering a future 3rd." - @CalTwomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579644772331184129
Sydney general manager of list strategy and recruitment Kinnear Beatson has confirmed the Swans’ interest in Essendon defender Aaron Francis. “We’re hopeful we’re edging closer with that, it might involve a three-way deal with Melbourne.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/11/swans-edging-closer-to-landing-bombers-tall-in-three-way-trade-deal/
Melbourne has an interest in recruiting Bulldog Josh Schache. Sam Edmund broke the news on Tuesday morning, but added it was far from a done deal.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/11/melbourne-considering-ploy-to-recruit-fringe-bulldog/
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Don’t blame them, what an entitled pos and a wasted pick
Poort can watch him grow and develop….
Into another Jake Stringer
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Collingwood has traded Brodie Grundy to Melbourne for pick 27. @AFLcomau
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579659697862635521
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Twin deals. Collingwood has traded Grundy to Melbourne for pick 27. Also traded in Frampton from Adelaide for a future third round.
https://twitter.com/mickgleeson/status/1579660668294549504
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The Collingwood fire sale continues and they are paying for the privilege :lol.
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Collingwood has traded Brodie Grundy to Melbourne for pick 27. @AFLcomau
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1579659697862635521
I wonder how much of Grundy's salary they are still paying. That's if they still are?
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Gold Coast have traded Jack Bowes and pick No. 7 to Geelong for a future third-round pick, per @CalTwomey.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579670976165400576
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Gold Coast have traded Jack Bowes and pick No. 7 to Geelong for a future third-round pick, per @CalTwomey.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579670976165400576
Are you stuffing kidding me?
Would have been happy for that instead of Hopper lol
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Fremantle are the latest club to join GWS in the race for Jaeger O’Meara. - Marc McGowan
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1579669559224991747
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Gold Coast have traded Jack Bowes and pick No. 7 to Geelong for a future third-round pick, per @CalTwomey.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579670976165400576
Are you stuffing kidding me?
Would have been happy for that instead of Hopper lol
And here I was thinking suns would get a late first rounder or second round pick back at the least. Very nicely done by the cats.
I still wouldn’t want bowes on a long term contract at 600k a year even it does get you pick 7.
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Gold Coast have traded Jack Bowes and pick No. 7 to Geelong for a future third-round pick, per @CalTwomey.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579670976165400576
Are you stuffing kidding me?
Would have been happy for that instead of Hopper lol
And here I was thinking suns would get a late first rounder or second round pick back at the least. Very nicely done by the cats.
I still wouldn’t want bowes on a long term contract at 600k a year even it does get you pick 7.
Well he was due $1.6 over two years and from all reports he was re-negotiating to around $2.2 for 4 years?
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Gold Coast have traded Jack Bowes and pick No. 7 to Geelong for a future third-round pick, per @CalTwomey.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579670976165400576
Are you stuffing kidding me?
Would have been happy for that instead of Hopper lol
And here I was thinking suns would get a late first rounder or second round pick back at the least. Very nicely done by the cats.
I still wouldn’t want bowes on a long term contract at 600k a year even it does get you pick 7.
Well he was due $1.6 over two years and from all reports he was re-negotiating to around $2.2 for 4 years?
Gold Coast have traded Jack Bowes and pick No. 7 to Geelong for a future third-round pick, per @CalTwomey.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579670976165400576
Are you stuffing kidding me?
Would have been happy for that instead of Hopper lol
And here I was thinking suns would get a late first rounder or second round pick back at the least. Very nicely done by the cats.
I still wouldn’t want bowes on a long term contract at 600k a year even it does get you pick 7.
Apparently Bowes is still on $850,000 for 2 years.
Cheatlong are going to offer him 4 years and spread it. So only $400,000-$410,000.
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Corruption at its best. No way the AFL should allow that but watch it sweep it under the carpet. Anything for Cheatlong
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Torch, they’ll be reducing his annual salary no doubt by giving him a longer contract but they’ll also be offering him $$$ on top. No player in their right mind would accept the same amount for 4 years as they are owed for 2 years i.e. paying 2 years for free.
Andy, not sure, I haven’t read anything concrete regarding $$$ from any reputable source. I was thinking something along the lines of an additional 700k so the contract would be 2.4mil across 4 years working out to be 600k per year. In any case, I don’t think bowes would be in our 22 so wouldn’t want whatever his contract is. Maybe he’ll become a handy player for the cats though, only time will tell.
Whatever the case may be, one thing I do know for sure is that the people running the suns are about as incompetent as it gets. How you let it leak that you’ll give up pick 7 for anyone willing to take bowes contract is ridiculous. Start your negotiations low (i.e say you’ll give a third rounder with bowes) and work your way up from there if need be. These guys just offered the best asset they had from the get go.
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Corruption at its best. No way the AFL should allow that but watch it sweep it under the carpet. Anything for Cheatlong
Ben King will probably want to come back home. Cheatlong will get him as the AFL will pass that too.
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That has to be the most dodgy deal ever Bowes and cats how the afl passed it bewildering not coincidence the salary cap dump was announced a week before trade week 2 seasons ago the afl were giving suns priority picks.
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I think we need to make polite enquiries about Ollie Henry
What could it hurt ;D
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If he walks to the preseason draft we should take him just to Feck Geelong over.
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Wont happen, Collingwood want a first round pick which don’t have for 2 season and if he goes to the draft he won’t get past North Melbourne
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Torch, they’ll be reducing his annual salary no doubt by giving him a longer contract but they’ll also be offering him $$$ on top. No player in their right mind would accept the same amount for 4 years as they are owed for 2 years i.e. paying 2 years for free.
Andy, not sure, I haven’t read anything concrete regarding $$$ from any reputable source. I was thinking something along the lines of an additional 700k so the contract would be 2.4mil across 4 years working out to be 600k per year. In any case, I don’t think bowes would be in our 22 so wouldn’t want whatever his contract is. Maybe he’ll become a handy player for the cats though, only time will tell.
Wouldn't he be better off agreeing to two years with the same pay? What's stopping him? He can find another team in two years. Still, such a salary cut by half is a kind of humiliation for him as a player.
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Torch, they’ll be reducing his annual salary no doubt by giving him a longer contract but they’ll also be offering him $$$ on top. No player in their right mind would accept the same amount for 4 years as they are owed for 2 years i.e. paying 2 years for free.
Andy, not sure, I haven’t read anything concrete regarding $$$ from any reputable source. I was thinking something along the lines of an additional 700k so the contract would be 2.4mil across 4 years working out to be 600k per year. In any case, I don’t think bowes would be in our 22 so wouldn’t want whatever his contract is. Maybe he’ll become a handy player for the cats though, only time will tell.
Wouldn't he be better off agreeing to two years with the same pay? What's stopping him? He can find another team in two years. Still, such a salary cut by half is a kind of humiliation for him as a player.
I guess Cats are premiers, GCS are ordinary, and he knows a backloaded contract doesn't represent his value maybe.
Agree though. I'd be tempted to stay there on 850 for two years then leave.
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Wont happen, Collingwood want a first round pick which don’t have for 2 season and if he goes to the draft he won’t get past North Melbourne
Talk is he’d nominate for the national draft not the pre-season draft. Would a team take him in the national draft before the cats pick 25? I’m not sure especially since hed get the 2 year deal only and wouldn’t wanna play for them.
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Wont happen, Collingwood want a first round pick which don’t have for 2 season and if he goes to the draft he won’t get past North Melbourne
Talk is he’d nominate for the national draft not the pre-season draft. Would a team take him in the national draft before the cats pick 25? I’m not sure especially since hed get the 2 year deal only and wouldn’t wanna play for them.
Well apparently this draft is crap so personally I'd take him in the late teens onwards, obviously depending on what's left.
Could be anything or nothing. Reminds me of Hoskin Elliot. Good in the air and jags a goal then goes missing for yonks.
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Wont happen, Collingwood want a first round pick which don’t have for 2 season and if he goes to the draft he won’t get past North Melbourne
Talk is he’d nominate for the national draft not the pre-season draft. Would a team take him in the national draft before the cats pick 25? I’m not sure especially since hed get the 2 year deal only and wouldn’t wanna play for them.
Well apparently this draft is crap so personally I'd take him in the late teens onwards, obviously depending on what's left.
Could be anything or nothing. Reminds me of Hoskin Elliot. Good in the air and jags a goal then goes missing for yonks.
You’d have to back yourself to get him to buy into the club and commit long term considering he’s pretty hell bent on moving home (45mins down the highway). Id risk that on a pre season draft pick not sure I’d do that with a late first/early second round national draft pick considering he’d only be tied to you for 2 years if drafted.
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Does anyone think we will do anything else? Pick swaps for an earlier pick?
Or are we done.
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Does anyone think we will do anything else? Pick swaps for an earlier pick?
Or are we done.
Dunno how much higher up the draft we could trade.
May as well draft 2 tall forwards who aren't highly rated, hope one of them does a Mitch Lewis.
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Does anyone think we will do anything else? Pick swaps for an earlier pick?
Or are we done.
I think we are done
Unless someone comes knocking asking about a fringe player that's unlikely to get AFL games in 2023
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RCD?
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RCD?
Gotta keep him. How many other 190cm+ mids do we have on the list? Answer: one -- Kamdyn Mcintosh. Taranto and Hopper at 188 and 187 have addressed this a little, but I reckon if you have a 191cm mid like RCD starting to get big numbers in the VFL you keep him on the list.
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RCD?
Gotta keep him. How many other 190cm+ mids do we have on the list? Answer: one -- Kamdyn Mcintosh. Taranto and Hopper at 188 and 187 have addressed this a little, but I reckon if you have a 191cm mid like RCD starting to get big numbers in the VFL you keep him on the list.
Tend to agree, but all the talk before trade week was that he was gawn, personality clash with Dimma etc. Then nothing. Maybe other clubs see what Dimma sees in him.
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RCD?
Gotta keep him. How many other 190cm+ mids do we have on the list? Answer: one -- Kamdyn Mcintosh. Taranto and Hopper at 188 and 187 have addressed this a little, but I reckon if you have a 191cm mid like RCD starting to get big numbers in the VFL you keep him on the list.
Tend to agree, but all the talk before trade week was that he was gawn, personality clash with Dimma etc. Then nothing. Maybe other clubs see what Dimma sees in him.
Blair Hartley on trade radio just now said they told him and Stacky that they’d have to wait until after trade period to see where the list stood before they could see whether they’d be offered new deals.
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RCD?
Gotta keep him. How many other 190cm+ mids do we have on the list? Answer: one -- Kamdyn Mcintosh. Taranto and Hopper at 188 and 187 have addressed this a little, but I reckon if you have a 191cm mid like RCD starting to get big numbers in the VFL you keep him on the list.
Tend to agree, but all the talk before trade week was that he was gawn, personality clash with Dimma etc. Then nothing. Maybe other clubs see what Dimma sees in him.
Blair Hartley on trade radio just now said they told him and Stacky that they’d have to wait until after trade period to see where the list stood before they could see whether they’d be offered new deals.
Well in the absence of a significant draft hand you'd think they'll both be retained on cheap contracts. Last chance saloon.
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RCD?
Gotta keep him. How many other 190cm+ mids do we have on the list? Answer: one -- Kamdyn Mcintosh. Taranto and Hopper at 188 and 187 have addressed this a little, but I reckon if you have a 191cm mid like RCD starting to get big numbers in the VFL you keep him on the list.
Tend to agree, but all the talk before trade week was that he was gawn, personality clash with Dimma etc. Then nothing. Maybe other clubs see what Dimma sees in him.
Blair Hartley on trade radio just now said they told him and Stacky that they’d have to wait until after trade period to see where the list stood before they could see whether they’d be offered new deals.
Well in the absence of a significant draft hand you'd think they'll both be retained on cheap contracts. Last chance saloon.
Think with RCD it depends on a couple of things. From his end is there a team keen on him where he think he’d get better opportunities. From the clubs end are they planning on using both the late picks in the national draft. Given we didn’t lose any players to trade, I suspect if we are going to use both picks then RCD wouldn’t be offered a contract however if we are only using one then there may be a spot for him.
With stack I don’t think they’d consider putting him on the primary list so would need to be delisted and rerookied. I suspect both the club and stack would be happy with this as well have a few rookie spots available and I haven’t heard of any interest from other clubs in stack.
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I'd be dirty on the club if RCD walks to the PSD and carves it up at another club.
Going off his VFL form you'd think he'd have had more changes but with Taranto and Hopper coming in he's in strife so wouldn't surprise me if he walks.
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Meh.
It doesn't sound like there has been huge demand for RCD in the trade period.
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Meh.
It doesn't sound like there has been huge demand for RCD in the trade period.
Think there ahs been enquiries Willy but end of the day, if your a Club who thinks he's going to get delisted why would trade when next week you can pick him up for nothing in the Delisted FA signing period?
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I'd be dirty on the club if RCD walks to the PSD and carves it up at another club.
Going off his VFL form you'd think he'd have had more changes but with Taranto and Hopper coming in he's in strife so wouldn't surprise me if he walks.
AFL.com reported that clubs were interested in RCD.
I think we should jump on the chance to trade him out. 4th Round Pick at least?
I think RCD will walk to a club that has been chatting to him throughout the year.
Unless we sign him up ASAP? Blair said that him and Stack will have decisions made about them in the next few days post trade period.
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Meh.
It doesn't sound like there has been huge demand for RCD in the trade period.
Think there ahs been enquiries Willy but end of the day, if your a Club who thinks he's going to get delisted why would trade when next week you can pick him up for nothing in the Delisted FA signing period?
I hear you, but personally i'm not losing sleep if we lose him.
Wish him all the best though. Seems like a nice fella.
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Meh.
It doesn't sound like there has been huge demand for RCD in the trade period.
Think there ahs been enquiries Willy but end of the day, if your a Club who thinks he's going to get delisted why would trade when next week you can pick him up for nothing in the Delisted FA signing period?
Exactly then. So it's either another year with us or else he walks.
I personally would sign him up for 1 year.
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We could delist and promise to rookie them if they aren't picked up by another club. RCD will depend on how many picks we want to use in the draft and/or if we promote Miller off the rookie list. Stack as a four-year rookie I think has to be delisted and then redrafted if we want to keep him?
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I'd be dirty on the club if RCD walks to the PSD and carves it up at another club.
Going off his VFL form you'd think he'd have had more changes but with Taranto and Hopper coming in he's in strife so wouldn't surprise me if he walks.
Think a bit much is made of his vfl form. He had a ripping end to the season no doubt but that was still only what 5-6 games. There are players who carve up the state leagues all season long that can’t get games for their sides and make their way to other clubs either by getting delisted or traded who prove they aren’t up to it at AFL level.
For all the scrutiny that players like aarts and Ross get for us, their form when they get dropped at VFL level is a lot more dominant and consistent. Aarts won our vfl b&f and was also in the vfl team of the season while missing atleast a quarter of the season playing for the seniors. From memory RCD didn’t even finish in the top 5 with both martyn and dow ahead of him.
In saying all that I’d be ok with them giving him a 1 year contract, I just can’t see how he’ll get a game. He’s an inside mid who managed only 2 games this season even with Prestia, cotchin, dusty, Ross, graham being injured at one point or the other. Now with hopper and Taranto there are 2 additional players well ahead of him.
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He’s an inside mid who managed only 2 games this season even with Prestia, cotchin, dusty, Ross, graham being injured at one point or the other. Now with hopper and Taranto there are 2 additional players well ahead of him.
My only comment on RDC is this. Against the WCE in Perth Dimma said he had played his best game for the Club. the next week because Cotchin was available he got dropped. I'd argue he should not have been dropped after that game.
As for the last 3rd of the season, he got named by the VFL coach as one of the best players in nearly all games and he couldn't get a look in....that doesn't make sense to me
but anyway I think it is in his own best interests to find himself a new Club because as you say he's fallen further down the pecking order now
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I get your point WP and you’ve been pretty vocal about how you didn’t understand why he wasn’t getting a game. While I do agree he should have been given more opportunities I’d moreso say it’s because the players coming in ahead of him were known quantities at AFL level whereas RCD is still somewhat unknown. Just think his vfl form is being overplayed.
Either way I’m happy with whatever the club decide. I agree it’s in his best interests to look elsewhere if there are other clubs interested.
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Maybe Mooroolbark will show some interest in RDC
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I'd be dirty on the club if RCD walks to the PSD and carves it up at another club.
Going off his VFL form you'd think he'd have had more changes but with Taranto and Hopper coming in he's in strife so wouldn't surprise me if he walks.
Think a bit much is made of his vfl form. He had a ripping end to the season no doubt but that was still only what 5-6 games. There are players who carve up the state leagues all season long that can’t get games for their sides and make their way to other clubs either by getting delisted or traded who prove they aren’t up to it at AFL level.
For all the scrutiny that players like aarts and Ross get for us, their form when they get dropped at VFL level is a lot more dominant and consistent. Aarts won our vfl b&f and was also in the vfl team of the season while missing atleast a quarter of the season playing for the seniors. From memory RCD didn’t even finish in the top 5 with both martyn and dow ahead of him.
In saying all that I’d be ok with them giving him a 1 year contract, I just can’t see how he’ll get a game. He’s an inside mid who managed only 2 games this season even with Prestia, cotchin, dusty, Ross, graham being injured at one point or the other. Now with hopper and Taranto there are 2 additional players well ahead of him.
💯 correct we're going on a snippet of 5 to 6 games the rest were very average this year. I will say the same the differences between Ross and Aarts is they perform consistently in the vfl.I agree there are games he should have played.
For me lacks intensity and goes missing you see him one half not sighted the next been his issue from day one running capacities.Have look at Cumberland had is issues defence wise worked hard on them and performed consistently this year got his opportunities.
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Aaron Francis to Sydney.
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1580048238832295936
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Geelong have traded Cooper Stephens to Hawthorn for pick 65, per @CalTwomey.
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https://twitter.com/afItraderadio/status/1580045642940178432
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Sam Weideman, pick 54 and 72 sent to Essendon for pick 37.
https://twitter.com/DanielCherny
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Jaeger O’Meara has nominated @freodockers as his club of choice.
Issue will be working out a suitable deal, with plenty of work to be done. No guarantee he ends up in purple.
More to come.
@7NewsPerth
https://twitter.com/FootyRhino/status/1580045267767685120
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Developing news on Josh Dunkley. Understand Brisbane has now offered 21 and a future first rounder without asking for the Dogs' 39 back, which was their initial offer. It's still not what the Dogs want but it's definitely closer to acceptable.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1580054275941883904
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https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1580057147487813633
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That’s 3 top 10 picks from 2015 that have now been traded.
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Geelong have traded Cooper Stephens to Hawthorn for pick 65, per @CalTwomey.
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https://twitter.com/afItraderadio/status/1580045642940178432
So they trade for pick 7 to get a local kid then trade a local kid who was a first rounder for nothing. WTF
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"The Saints are interested in packaging up pick 9 and Hunter Clark in order to move up the draft to pick 3."
"Using Hunter Clark who's been wanting to get to North Melbourne, but North won't part with that pick under this proposed deal."
- Cal Twomey on Hunter Clark
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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He’s an inside mid who managed only 2 games this season even with Prestia, cotchin, dusty, Ross, graham being injured at one point or the other. Now with hopper and Taranto there are 2 additional players well ahead of him.
My only comment on RDC is this. Against the WCE in Perth Dimma said he had played his best game for the Club. the next week because Cotchin was available he got dropped. I'd argue he should not have been dropped after that game.
As for the last 3rd of the season, he got named by the VFL coach as one of the best players in nearly all games and he couldn't get a look in....that doesn't make sense to me
but anyway I think it is in his own best interests to find himself a new Club because as you say he's fallen further down the pecking order now
Someone on the forum made the credible claim that because he has gay female parents he has a problem with listening to white heterosexual middle aged men.
Maybe it’s that. ::)
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The Western Bulldogs and Melbourne are closing in on a trade for midfielder Lachie Hunter.
Under the likely trade, Hunter would be traded for a third-round or future third-round pick.
The Dogs would potentially contribute to Hunter’s two-year contract though the deal is still being sorted.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-2022-live-updates-day-eight-20221012-p5bp8q.html
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The Western Bulldogs and Melbourne are closing in on a trade for midfielder Lachie Hunter.
Under the likely trade, Hunter would be traded for a third-round or future third-round pick.
The Dogs would potentially contribute to Hunter’s two-year contract though the deal is still being sorted.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-2022-live-updates-day-eight-20221012-p5bp8q.html
How the hell do Melbourne do this? You have to tip your hat to them.
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The Western Bulldogs and Melbourne are closing in on a trade for midfielder Lachie Hunter.
Under the likely trade, Hunter would be traded for a third-round or future third-round pick.
The Dogs would potentially contribute to Hunter’s two-year contract though the deal is still being sorted.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-2022-live-updates-day-eight-20221012-p5bp8q.html
How the hell do Melbourne do this? You have to tip your hat to them.
Confirmed for a future 3rd round pick.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1580102382263750656
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He’s an inside mid who managed only 2 games this season even with Prestia, cotchin, dusty, Ross, graham being injured at one point or the other. Now with hopper and Taranto there are 2 additional players well ahead of him.
My only comment on RDC is this. Against the WCE in Perth Dimma said he had played his best game for the Club. the next week because Cotchin was available he got dropped. I'd argue he should not have been dropped after that game.
As for the last 3rd of the season, he got named by the VFL coach as one of the best players in nearly all games and he couldn't get a look in....that doesn't make sense to me
but anyway I think it is in his own best interests to find himself a new Club because as you say he's fallen further down the pecking order now
Someone on the forum made the credible claim that because he has gay female parents he has a problem with listening to white heterosexual middle aged men.
Maybe it’s that. ::)
This is my favourite theory so far. I believe it could also be enhanced by assuming that his lesbian parents are socialist lesbian parents.
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Other clubs with 15 mins to go.
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Us with the job done after getting both Taranto and Hopper.
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Dunkley off to Brisbane.
Waiting for the actual trade details.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1580110267811520513
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Ollie Henry to Geelong is done. Paperwork to be lodged now.
https://twitter.com/RileyBev/status/1580111500664270848
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“Rory Lobb is done, he will be at the Bulldogs next season.”
- Cal Twomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1580113468606541825
Trade period over. AFL just finalising the paperwork through.
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1580114161954361344
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1580114796040441858
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1580115880729804800
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1580116368162426880
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4 trades done in the last 5 minutes.
And that's all folks for the Trade Period!
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Stuff what everyone else did, wrapped with what we did. Can’t wait for round 1!
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https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1580115880729804800
Doggies paid overs there
Lobb isn't worth pick 30 on its own let alone 30 and 2nd rounder :help
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How's Hawthorns form - complete basket case. Paying clubs to take their best players and giving them away for peanuts. They are tanking for sure.
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How's Hawthorns form - complete basket case. Paying clubs to take their best players and giving them away for peanuts. They are tanking for sure.
They’re under no salary cap pressure, both guys only had 1 year left anyway and they traded them away for nothing. Add in McEvoy and Shiels retiring and Gunston leaving they’ve got like 5 players over the age of 25. Don’t really see any elite young talent either. Hawks will push kangas for the spoon and will be down there for a few seasons at least.
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Three-year deal for Tom Mitchell at Collingwood.
https://twitter.com/JoshGabelich/status/1580120536923123712
:o Mitchell turns 30 early next year.
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Three-year deal for Tom Mitchell at Collingwood.
https://twitter.com/JoshGabelich/status/1580120536923123712
:o Mitchell turns 30 early next year.
Plus, he has had a significant broken leg and is slow as treacle
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Three-year deal for Tom Mitchell at Collingwood.
https://twitter.com/JoshGabelich/status/1580120536923123712
:o Mitchell turns 30 early next year.
Plus, he has had a significant broken leg and is slow as treacle
Has always been slow
Sometimes they actually have more longevity as not reliant on pace
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Three-year deal for Tom Mitchell at Collingwood.
https://twitter.com/JoshGabelich/status/1580120536923123712
:o Mitchell turns 30 early next year.
Plus, he has had a significant broken leg and is slow as treacle
Has always been slow
Sometimes they actually have more longevity as not reliant on pace
Hawthorn understand exactly where their list is at present, and keeping Mitchell and O'Meara does not get them or those guys any closer to a premiership.
Cut em loose, they have been solid servants and let them explore their opportunities to be at a club that has a top 4 chance and therefore GF day.
It is Sicily and Amon that at 27 and with 5 year deals will pay a price for the next 3 years.
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Collingwood's list has so very many holes, cant decide if it is equivalent to their 2004 or their 2013.
No forward line, recruiting C graders, over rating the seasons of journey men, not ready for a top 4 draw, let alone a top 8 draw.
Will be exposed, tactically (and I rate Fly & Leppa) because they will be worked out by the B & A grade teams across half back. Although the backline is half decent because it keeps em close however will ultimately fail vs with slick ball movement against their intercept driven zone.
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Would we still have interest in Narkle or has that passed?
THE DELISTED PLAYERS WHO SHOULD BE GIVEN ANOTHER CHANCE
Seb Mottram
SEN
17 October 2022
Quinton Narkle (Geelong)
Many Cats fans will remember Narkle’s first game against the Western Bulldogs in 2018, where the young midfielder was thrown into the final centre bounce of the game in a massive show of faith by Chris Scott.
Narkle was on the edge of Geelong’s best team last year but fell slightly down the pecking order in 2022. The 24-year-old was heavily linked to Richmond in last year’s trade period, and rival clubs can now secure his services for nothing.
Narkle’s best footy would have had him in Geelong’s best side this year, so there are question marks about where he’s at. But he demonstrated strong form in the three games he wasn’t injured or the medical sub, averaging just shy of 15 touches a game.
If he commits to his best footy, Narkle could be fielding multiple offers at new clubs.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/17/the-delisted-players-who-should-be-given-another-chance/
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Not very scientific of me, I know, but I feel like it would be bad luck to take Narkle. Geelong teach their players to panic and we don't want their dregs.
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No no no no no no no no no
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Someone better than me can post the image directly but here’s sen’s delisted 22.
https://mobile.twitter.com/1116sen/status/1581845974720577536
Based on our need for key position players, jarred brander at 197cm and 97kg would fit the bill. Was pick 13 5 years ago although being delisted by 2 seperate clubs with a total of only 27 games doesn’t bode well. I’ve either never seen him play or can’t remember seeing him play so can’t really comment one way or the other.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwF7lb5mpgE
Based on this footage we should sign him up as a midfielder to deliver inside 50. Looks pretty mobile for a big fella. Okay skills. Originally from Vic. Only 23ish. Might as well considering there's only Jack Bauer waiting in the wings.
According to the West Coke board he was being played as a defensive winger, which would explain the lack of scoreboard impact. Seems that no one has really plonked him in the forward line and seen what he's capable of there.
https://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18019&hilit=jarrod+brander
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I'd take Brander purely because of his size and we have nothing else.
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Someone better than me can post the image directly but here’s sen’s delisted 22.
https://mobile.twitter.com/1116sen/status/1581845974720577536
Based on our need for key position players, jarred brander at 197cm and 97kg would fit the bill. Was pick 13 5 years ago although being delisted by 2 seperate clubs with a total of only 27 games doesn’t bode well. I’ve either never seen him play or can’t remember seeing him play so can’t really comment one way or the other.
Played against us round 2 this season. They played him as KF along side Himmelberg and Hogan had no impact at all. Though moves well for a big bloke.
Maybe he is one that you get to train with a side during the preseason and then c0nsdoer him for that supplementary selection just prior to the season. Or alternatively sign him for our VFL program with an eye on the mod season drsft
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Pass on Brander rather target a kid or a vfl , wafl, or sanfl recruit.
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Second chance saloon: 16 delisted AFL free agents who deserve a footy lifeline in 2023
Ignoring delisted Tigers.
Jed Anderson (North Melbourne)
Connor Blakely (Fremantle)
Callum Brown (Collingwood)
Tyler Brown (Collingwood)
Francis Evans (Geelong Cats)
Martin Frederick (Port Adelaide)
Daniel Howe (Hawthorn)
Quinton Narkle (Geelong Cats)
Tom Phillips (Hawthorn)
James Rowe (Adelaide Crows)
Ely Smith (Brisbane Lions)
Liam Stocker (Carlton)
Mitch Wallis (Western Bulldogs)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-delisted-free-agents-who-deserve-second-chance-trade-period-afl-draft-veterans-on-market-analysis/news-story/521e3dc2d7e0ea1db6323a55b82eeb99
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Ely Smith had some wraps on him in his draft year. Went around pick #20
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Four clubs interested in delisted Saint tall defender Jarrod Lienert [n.b. doesn't name which clubs].
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/18/four-clubs-interested-as-delisted-saint-hopes-to-keep-afl-career-alive/
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Anyone know if it’s a mandated 1 year or 2 year deal for selections from the rookie draft?
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Anyone know if it’s a mandated 1 year or 2 year deal for selections from the rookie draft?
1 minimum
Option of 2+
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A couple of pick swaps today.
Adelaide gain pick 56.
Brisbane gain Future 4th round pick (tied to Freo)
Adelaide gain Future 2nd round pick and pick 59.
North gain pick 23.
https://twitter.com/AFL_House
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Gold Coast is interested in bringing Dan Hannebery out of retirement, per SEN's @Sammy__Edmund 😮
Hannebery, who retired this season after an injury-ravaged four-year stint at St Kilda, is reportedly considering a return to the AFL.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1585419708643565569
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Gold Coast is interested in bringing Dan Hannebery out of retirement, per SEN's @Sammy__Edmund 😮
Hannebery, who retired this season after an injury-ravaged four-year stint at St Kilda, is reportedly considering a return to the AFL.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1585419708643565569
On the surface seems like a ridiculous move, given he cant get out on the ground with those dodgy legs.
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Gold Coast is interested in bringing Dan Hannebery out of retirement, per SEN's @Sammy__Edmund 😮
Hannebery, who retired this season after an injury-ravaged four-year stint at St Kilda, is reportedly considering a return to the AFL.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1585419708643565569
On the surface seems like a ridiculous move, given he cant get out on the ground with those dodgy legs.
Yep it was a disaster for the Aints. Don't see why GCS would consider it at all.
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Only posting this because we've been linked to him in past years.
“Quinton Narkle has some interest out there but he might be one of these ones that has to wait a little bit until after the rookie draft to see what clubs pick up through the national draft and how many spots they have.
“It’s all about age and fit. Do you look at these guys to be ready to go players, like Narkle would be?
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/02/retired-hawk-ex-giants-defender-former-cat-on-free-agency-radar-of-clubs/
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Only posting this because we've been linked to him in past years.
“Quinton Narkle has some interest out there but he might be one of these ones that has to wait a little bit until after the rookie draft to see what clubs pick up through the national draft and how many spots they have.
“It’s all about age and fit. Do you look at these guys to be ready to go players, like Narkle would be?
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/02/retired-hawk-ex-giants-defender-former-cat-on-free-agency-radar-of-clubs/
Appreciate the initial disclaimer.
No no no from me.
With our trade ins we have absolutely no spot for a battler like Narkle.
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Only posting this because we've been linked to him in past years.
“Quinton Narkle has some interest out there but he might be one of these ones that has to wait a little bit until after the rookie draft to see what clubs pick up through the national draft and how many spots they have.
“It’s all about age and fit. Do you look at these guys to be ready to go players, like Narkle would be?
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/02/retired-hawk-ex-giants-defender-former-cat-on-free-agency-radar-of-clubs/
Appreciate the initial disclaimer.
No no no from me.
With our trade ins we have absolutely no spot for a battler like Narkle.
Was going to say I wouldn’t mind him as small forward depth with potential to roll through the midfield too as beyond MRJ, cumbo and Bolton our next in players in that role seem to be limited to juddy clarke and Castagna. However looking at his stats for the 2021 season where he played 16 games (the most of his career), he more or less ranked average or below average in every category relevant to a small forward.
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Only posting this because we've been linked to him in past years.
“Quinton Narkle has some interest out there but he might be one of these ones that has to wait a little bit until after the rookie draft to see what clubs pick up through the national draft and how many spots they have.
“It’s all about age and fit. Do you look at these guys to be ready to go players, like Narkle would be?
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/02/retired-hawk-ex-giants-defender-former-cat-on-free-agency-radar-of-clubs/
Appreciate the initial disclaimer.
No no no from me.
With our trade ins we have absolutely no spot for a battler like Narkle.
Was going to say I wouldn’t mind him as small forward depth with potential to roll through the midfield too as beyond MRJ, cumbo and Bolton our next in players in that role seem to be limited to juddy clarke and Castagna. However looking at his stats for the 2021 season where he played 16 games (the most of his career), he more or less ranked average or below average in every category relevant to a small forward.
Don't think he's a forward at all though? Plays inside mid.
Can't say I've seen enough to make a judgement but I'd rather have kept RCD personally.