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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 26, 2023, 06:19:47 PM
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Every AFL team’s pass mark for the 2023 season
Will Guthrie
zerohanger.com
January 26, 2023
Richmond
The Tigers enter 2023 full of confidence, but they'll also be praying that the type of injuries and setbacks that typified 2022 are not repeated. Particularly when it comes to their star players.
They can ill-afford to lose Dustin Martin, Tom Lynch, Jack Riewoldt, Dylan Grimes or Shai Bolton for lengthy periods. With a clean bill of health, the list is more than capable of challenging for another flag, particularly with the big-name recruits they have brought in.
Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper are two very handy inclusions, allowing the likes of Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton to rest forward and wreak havoc, while also taking the pressure off Dion Prestia and Trent Cotchin.
Richmond's Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto during the 2023 AFL pre-season (Image: Richmond FC Twitter)
If Richmond can finish top 6 and go deep into finals, this season can be considered a pass, however that is unlikely to satisfy this driven group of players, who no doubt view a mythical fourth flag as a must.
Pass Mark: 14-17 wins and top four/home finals.
https://www.zerohanger.com/every-afl-teams-pass-mark-for-the-2023-season-131779/14/
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Agree top 4 finish at a minimum
Then.....
Rest will take care of itself
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for me its a flag or bust with the path we have taken.
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for me its a flag or bust with the path we have taken.
Agree
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for me its a flag or bust with the path we have taken.
Agree
Flags are tough. If we get to place where we give it a fair shot then that would be a pass. Top 4 is a pass for me. Flag would be amazing but is above a "Pass" mark
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Exactly. What you want out of a home and away season is to give yourself a good chance at the flag, which means top 4.
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Exactly. What you want out of a home and away season is to give yourself a good chance at the flag, which means top 4.
Exactly.
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Finish top 4 still not having reached our peak.
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for me its a flag or bust with the path we have taken.
Agree
Flags are tough. If we get to place where we give it a fair shot then that would be a pass. Top 4 is a pass for me. Flag would be amazing but is above a "Pass" mark
Great post.
TBH, we are a 2023 version of that Carlton side in late ‘80’s - mid 90’s. I hated them but they were that classic destination club and attracted talent from interstate in particular but also other clubs.
They only won 2 flags from the mid 80’s til the late 90’s but had a heap of top 4 ladder positions during that time which meant they were continually challenging for a flag.
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Top 6 and win at least 2 finals
But with a good injury free run I believe we have a good shot at the flag
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What's your club's pass mark for 2023? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f9d0.png)
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https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1622464663312273409
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https://twitter.com/sportingnewsau/status/1623507667003277312
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Kane and Kingy set their 'Pass Marks' for @Richmond_FC in 2023!
LISTEN: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/NTETP7392740660?selected=NTETP3314020301
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Transcript:
David King:
Hardwick will be able to win in different ways this year. He's had the intercept game down pat. They are a scary proposition when they move the ball by hand. They've got those fleet of foot HBFs and HFFs. Taranto and Hopper come in. That's your midfield brutes.
Can't rely Prestia. Missed 12 games in 2020, 13 in 2021 and only 4 last year where he came 3rd in the B&F. That's how important this guy is.
But if you don't have to rely on him being healthy every week and you've got Bolton, Short, Baker, Dusty, Pickett can go in there, Sonsie, Dow's had a good preseason, Prestia I've mentioned, then you've got genuine midfield depth. That's the luxury Richmond are going to throw at the opposition each week. They are in for a big year the Tiges.
Kane Cornes:
Agree with that on paper. However, Richmond get injured a lot. Their best players get injured. Prestia gets injured, Martin gets injured, Grimes gets injured, Cotchin is always injured, Graham is injured at the moment, Lynch gets injured, Castagna has a hammy, Gibcus has got a serious hammy, Vlastuin missed a lot of games last year. They all do hamstrings for whatever reason at Richmond and they do them at crucial times. So provided they stay sound, not everyone is sound for the whole season, but if they get the majority of those to play 18+ games then yep they will be in the mix. But if not, then it could go wrong pretty badly at Richmond injury-wise.
King:
Think Tim Taranto will announce himself as a bona fide star of the competition under the bright lights of the Richmond Football Club. He's 25 and played 114 games. He's entering his prime years. He's never been All-Australian.
Kane Cornes:
He's another injured player. He gets injured as well.
King:
You're hot on this.
Cornes:
Richmond's injuries. I've said it for three years. I'm right on this. They get injured a lot. Their best players do a lot of hamstrings. I don't know what it is.
King:
The way they play maybe? It is a ballistic brand of footy.
Cornes:
Yeah that and age. When you've done one hammy and you get older, then you're prone to doing others.
King:
They had five games decided by under 10 points last year and lost four of them. Some of them comical. They lost to Geelong by three points, Swans by six points.
Cornes:
The one at Marvel that was a draw.
King:
They were in control. Even the final up north was just crazy. The goal umpiring and all that stuff.
Cornes:
What I am excited about Richmond is Martin and Bolton. And you've watched them during the preseason. Bolton does his best work front of centre and when he goes into the centrebounce and finds a mismatch, he's a nightmare. But Bolton and Martin could be the best medium to small forward duo in the game. I don't know ... how many goals combined could they kick ... I think 80+.
King:
The most goals Martin has kicked in a season is 37. That sounds low but he has played a lot of midfield. I'm tipping 45+.
Cornes:
Dusty gives a lot away. I'd like to see his assist numbers.
King:
I'm excited by Noah Balta at CHB. I think he is one of the most athletically gifted players in the competition. And Noah Cumberland as that wildcard forward who rides shotgun next to Lynch and Riewoldt.
Cornes:
You've mentioned Sonsie. He plays footy the right way. Defensively, he is really strong.
They've topped up but they haven't neglected the draft. They've been pretty shrewed with their picks.
My only concern as I've said is injuries.
What's their pass mark? You've got them top 4?
King:
Yeah. I'm really excited about their season. Their pass mark ... winning one final is probably their pass mark but they will be top 4 for me. I'm flirting with the idea of tipping them to win the whole lot.
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King:
Think Tim Taranto will announce himself as a bona fide star of the competition under the bright lights of the Richmond Football Club. He's 25 and played 114 games. He's entering his prime years. He's never been All-Australian.
Kane Cornes:
He's another injured player. He gets injured as well.
Taranto missed 6 games last year yet played every game for the Giants in 2021 when they made the finals. Hardly someone who is always injured :huh3.
Having said that soft tissue injuries have been an issue for the past two years though.
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He's right otherwise, we do a lot of hammies and a lot of our best players get injured. It's rare we have our best 22-23 players out there.
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sheesh why do people read his crap.
Alright a bit of balance.
Martin - Hardly missed a game until the last two seasons where he played 16 and 9 games in each. Serious kidney injury a contact injury and time away due to his dad dying makes up the majority of his time off. HE IS NOT REGULARLY GETTING HURT.
Cotchin - His last three seasons have gone 17 17 and 19 games a year. You would take that with most players you expect them to get the odd injury. Yes he missed 5 games 3 with a hammy in 2021 big deal the other two was gastro and knee. Last year he missed just 4 games.
Bolton - Has played the majority of games the last 4 seasons with 19, 19, 20 and 23 which shows like most players he has had the odd niggle.
Vlastuin - 2021 Missed 10 games with knee and ankle injuries not hamstrings or soft tissue. Wasn't last year due to shoulder.
Lynch - Has played with injuries and it has shown at times but has played 25, 19, 18 19 games a season since coming to us.
Grimes - since 2017 25, 23, 24, 20, 21 and only this year with a hammy problems 15. Its hardly chronic.
Since about 2017 the only one you could say hes had CHRONIC soft tissue issues is Prestia.
Taranto im not sure what type of injuries he has had but yep hes had a few but players like him should get their fair share of contact injuries.
I dunno there seems to be a constant lack of objectivity and proper research into articles and its just not Cornes. Only place i read the rubbish is on this site and every time i wish i hadn't.
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sheesh why do people read his crap.
Alright a bit of balance.
Martin - Hardly missed a game until the last two seasons where he played 16 and 9 games in each. Serious kidney injury a contact injury and time away due to his dad dying makes up the majority of his time off. HE IS NOT REGULARLY GETTING HURT.
Cotchin - His last three seasons have gone 17 17 and 19 games a year. You would take that with most players you expect them to get the odd injury. Yes he missed 5 games 3 with a hammy in 2021 big deal the other two was gastro and knee. Last year he missed just 4 games.
Bolton - Has played the majority of games the last 4 seasons with 19, 19, 20 and 23 which shows like most players he has had the odd niggle.
Vlastuin - 2021 Missed 10 games with knee and ankle injuries not hamstrings or soft tissue. Wasn't last year due to shoulder.
Lynch - Has played with injuries and it has shown at times but has played 25, 19, 18 19 games a season since coming to us.
Grimes - since 2017 25, 23, 24, 20, 21 and only this year with a hammy problems 15. Its hardly chronic.
Since about 2017 the only one you could say hes had CHRONIC soft tissue issues is Prestia.
Taranto im not sure what type of injuries he has had but yep hes had a few but players like him should get their fair share of contact injuries.
I dunno there seems to be a constant lack of objectivity and proper research into articles and its just not Cornes. Only place i read the rubbish is on this site and every time i wish i hadn't.
:clapping :clapping
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Agreed claw good post.
Back to topic I'm thinking top 6.
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Agreed claw good post.
Back to topic I'm thinking top 6.
Top 6??
That’s a definite fail after our trade period and the route we took
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Agreed claw good post.
Back to topic I'm thinking top 6.
Top 6??
That’s a definite fail after our trade period and the route we took
Well we finished 7th last year didn't we?
Two guns mids in while we lost Edwards, Lambert etc.
I'm just trying not to get ahead of myself. Wanted to say top 4
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Agreed claw good post.
Back to topic I'm thinking top 6.
Top 6??
That’s a definite fail after our trade period and the route we took
Well we finished 7th last year didn't we?
Two guns mids in while we lost Edwards, Lambert etc.
I'm just trying not to get ahead of myself. Wanted to say top 4
Last year I was of the opinion that we could do damage regardless of whether we were top4 or not. Think we all need to remember only the doggies managed to win it from outside the top4 and they really captured lightning in a bottle that season.
So it’s top4 or bust for me.
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THE “ONLY CONCERN” FOR RICHMOND AND THE 2023 PASS MARK
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
20 February 2023
Kane Cornes has one major concern surrounding Richmond in 2023.
The Tigers reloaded in the off-season after losing the Elimination Final to Brisbane by one point, recruiting Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper to bolster their midfield.
On paper the team looks much stronger leading into the new season which has many pundits forecasting success for the yellow and black.
Cornes acknowledges that Damien Hardwick now has a deeper list at his disposal but is concerned that Richmond’s very best players often cop injuries of the soft tissue variety which subsequently hinder the group.
“When you look at the names on paper and you look at the midfield depth that they’ve got and their ability in the forward line, I agree (they have a good side),” Cornes said on SEN Breakfast.
“The thing I always say with Richmond is they get injured a lot. I don’t have the numbers, I’m not a sports scientist, but their best players get injured.
“(Dion) Prestia, (Dustin) Martin gets injured, (Dylan) Grimes gets injured, (Trent) Cotchin is always injured, (Jack) Graham is injured at the moment, (Tom) Lynch gets injured, (Jason) Castagna has a hammy, (Josh) Gibcus has got a serious hammy, (Nick) Vlastuin missed games last year.
“They all do hamstrings, for whatever reason, and they seem to do them at crucial times.
“So provided they stay sound - and not everyone is sound for the whole season - but if they get the majority of those players to play 18-plus games I reckon they’ll be in the mix.
“But if not, it can go wrong pretty bad for Richmond, injury-wise.
“Taranto is another injured player. He gets injured as well.
“Richmond’s injuries, I’ve said it for three years, I’m right on this. They get injured a lot, their best players do a lot of hamstrings. I don’t know what it is.
“Once you’ve done one hammy and you get a bit older you’re more prone to doing others.”
Despite the doubts, Cornes has high hopes for the midfield/forward duo of Shai Bolton and Dustin Martin after the latter was restricted to just nine matches in 2022.
“What I’m excited about for Richmond though is when I look at Martin and Bolton,” Cornes added.
“Bolton does his best work front of centre. He’ll go to the centre bounce and then get a mismatch and he’s a nightmare.
“But Martin and Bolton could be the best medium-to-small forward duo in the game and kick 80-plus goals between them this year.
“They’ve topped up but they also haven’t neglected the draft. I think they’ve been pretty shrewd with their picks.
“I guess my only concern is the injuries.”
Co-host David King picked out a trio of Tigers he is keen to see, including former Giants midfielder Taranto who he believes can go to another level in 2023.
“I’m more excited about Noah Balta at centre half-back. I think he’s one of the most athletically gifted players in the competition,” King said.
“And Noah Cumberland as that wildcard forward who rides shotgun next to Lynch (and Jack Riewoldt).
“I think Tim Taranto will announce himself as a bona fide star of the AFL under the bright lights of the Richmond Footy Club.”
King laid out what he believes to be a pass mark for the Tigers, indicating that he is very keen on the 2017, 2019 and 2020 premiers to have another crack at a flag this year.
“They’re in for a big year, the Tiges,” he added.
“I’m really excited about their season. To win one final is probably a pass mark but they’ll be top four for me.
“I’m flirting with the idea of tipping them to win the whole lot.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/02/19/the-only-concern-for-richmond-and-the-2023-pass-mark/