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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on June 20, 2006, 05:53:11 PM
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As the topic says - Who needs a strong showing over the next 10 weeks to remain at Punt Road?
I don't mean just Tivs, Hall and Krak lol who are playing seniors but others such as our older guys like Chaffey and younger ones like Jackson, Limbach, Moore, Roach, Rodan, Hartigan, etc....
Thoughts?
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As the topic says - Who needs a strong showing over the next 10 weeks to remain at Punt Road?
I don't mean just Tivs, Hall and Krak lol who are playing seniors but others such as our older guys like Chaffey and younger ones like Jackson, Limbach, Moore, Roach, Rodan, Hartigan, etc....
Thoughts?
hartigan
jackson
roach
rodan(trade or delist after next yr)
those 4 are definates for that list
guys like gas hall tiv krak have got 10 weeks to prove their worth also and im sure krak will prove to all he is gonna be here 4 a while still
staff and chaff are gone too imo, delisted or retired
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Roach
Limbach
McGuane
Moore (even though he's been injured)
Rodan
Gasper
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Roach
Limbach
McGuane
Moore (even though he's been injured)
Rodan
Gasper
i think limbach moore and mguane are safe
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Krak
Hartigan
Roach
Rodan
Jackson
Despite Tivendale being mentioned, he would be close to top 5 in the B&F so far this season. Great turn around from last season and i can tell you he isnt one of my favourite players. I used to bag the crap out of him the last fwe seasons, to the extent where i nearly got into a fight with a Richmond supporter who sits near me at Telstra Dome. ;D
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Rodan.
Roach
Stafford
Moore
McGaune
Limbach
Roach
Hartigan
Knobel
Chaffey
Is that enough ?
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Despite Tivendale being mentioned, he would be close to top 5 in the B&F so far this season. Great turn around from last season and i can tell you he isnt one of my favourite players. I used to bag the crap out of him the last fwe seasons, to the extent where i nearly got into a fight with a Richmond supporter who sits near me at Telstra Dome. ;D
with an effective disposal rate of 58% tiv has no chance!!!
TIV BE GONE!
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Tivvers will stay. He is a good player in a good side. Sounds dumb but you aint going to have 9 Richos and 9 Petters' in the side. Tiv stays.
I think Krak is definately under the microscope.
Throw in Gas.
Staff needs to otherwise ciao...
Jackson and Rodan would be my other two.
And my darkhorse is Schultz.
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my ones are
gaspar- freo are stupid, anythings possible- trade for mine
stafford- retired
rodan- no point/ delist/trade/just gone i reckon
krakouer- could be traded, not impacting after all these years...time to move on, weve got plenty of forward pocket options
hall- could be traded, not a premiership player and wont be, as long as players like Hall are constants, we aint going anywhere
tivendale- could be traded, would be good in a good side, improved year may have currrency
moore- been no where for a long time now.
dark horse- like om21: Jay Schulz but theyll only do it if they can get a really early pick coz there desperate for a certain player.
I think Roach, McGuane and Limbach will all get 1 more year just to make sure.
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Staff - gone
Roach - gone
Rodan - Trade to Bombers :lol
Krak - On thin ice. Could go.
Hall - Trade
Gaspar - Trade
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Staff will retire
I think Chaffey may be in the same boat if he cannot get over his injury problems.
Kel Moore - seems a bit injury prone unfortunately
Tommy Roach - struggling to get back from the cheeckbone break and needs at least 8-10 senior games to stake a claim
Knobel is safe IMO because Staff will retire.
I also reckon it will be interesting to see what happens with Jackson - I just don't thinkthey know what to do with him.
Limbach - I see staying
Ray Hall - annual trade bait isn't he :help
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Retirees: Staff, Chaffey
Need to show something or will be put up for trade: Rodan, Hartigan, Krakouer (all contracted for another year)
Need to show something or will be delisted: Jackson, Moore, Roach (all in their 3rd year)
Tivs and Gas are both out of contract so we either sign them up or let them go for nothing in return. With Will coming back from a knee and no definite successors to key defensive posts, IMO Gas and Hall will stay at Tigerland.
Also Graham will be the only rookie to survive.
So potentially 6 or more spots freed up on our list for te National and PSD drafts plus at least 2 more rookies.
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Staff & Chaff - Retirees.
Moore - Delisted outright.
If Shultz is offered around as 1st round trade bait, and not taken, a choice will be made between Gas, Hall & Chubba. Just cant see all 4 surviving, however at best Gas offered a 1 year reduced contract as an insurance policy on Will's progress.
Krak & Tiv also offered as trade bait - if not PSD for Krak. Meyer is a better small forward in 12 games than Krak has delivered in 70.
Tiva will be overtaken by the young guys in 12 months, so a hard decision will be deferred for 12 months via a performance based contract.
Hart's, Roach & Jacko put on notice. Hart's for attitute and may not survive at Tigerland. Jacko appears to be a poor man's Goddard, no real position, caught in between KPP and midfielder without footy smarts. Roach & Rodan are depth players at best, however Roach would appear to have more upside than the D-Rod.
Would like to see a full Rookie list next year.
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Would like to see a full Rookie list next year.
I think that would be fantastic.
If the league go ahead and change the rookie rules allowing for a mature age player you'd use that for insurance and then fill the rest of it with kids 18-20 y.o's and develop them over the 2 year period your allowed to retain them for
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Darren Gaspar: Out of contract I think at the end of the year. Only played a handful of games, and it is not promising that he has been dropped for such a long time in the 2’s. Age and injuries are not helping him.
Greg Stafford: I think this has been earmarked as his farewell year. Seems to lack intensity and interest and it show when you watch him play (especially when you compare him to someone like Patto who look really intense and focused in games).
Tom Roach: Pretty good overhead, has good pace and takes players on but lacks footy smarts and skill. Probably will be kept on the list as he is still fairly young, but would not surprise me if he left. Being a son of a gun may help him keep his spot.
Trent Knobel: More than useful tap ruckman may probably be used as trade bait this year IMO. If his name is not tossed up during trade week then he will stay a tiger.
Greg Tivendale: Played a few good games this year, but some poor games have put a black mark against his name. Especially the game against the Hawks where he continually turned over the ball and absolutely shat himself in front of goal (even on his dominant left foot).
David Rodan: I dunno, from my point of view has done very little. But in his favour are his style of play, work ethic and his part in the Richmond junior leadership group. IMO hopefully we can offload him, as you can tell i'm not a big fan of the D-Rod.
Kelvin Moore: Similar type player to Thursfield (in terms of height and position), but Thirsty has surpassed Moore by a lot. Nothing really special about Moore's game and one of the most likely candidates for delisting IMO. Hasn't done anything this year, maybe because of injuries i'm not sure.
Mark Chaffey: Top bloke, works hard and gives 110% when given the opportunities. But IMO the game has surpassed him. Not very skilful and not quick enough and injuries certainly haven’t helped him. Most likely a retirement at years end for him.
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Jacko appears to be a poor man's Goddard, no real position, caught in between KPP and midfielder without footy smarts.
He is a good lead and a good grab, natural forward I reckon, do they hold on to these guys for the the 2-3 years (hopefully longer) that Richo has left or let them go.
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Jacko appears to be a poor man's Goddard, no real position, caught in between KPP and midfielder without footy smarts.
Yep they don't know where to play Jacko. We want him as a third tall defender or tallish midfielder but he's struggled in both spots while FF is not going to be a long position for him at Richmond even if he has shown glimpses. Don't rate Goddard either btw.
Agree Darth a full rookie list is a must. I guess it depends what happens to Gas. If he stays (and on the Veterans' list) there'll be five rookie spots. If he goes then the maximum six. Richo is a vet too but is still included on the senior list.
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Roach
Limbach
McGuane
Moore (even though he's been injured)
Rodan
Gasper
i think limbach moore and mguane are safe
I am not usually one for predictions, but I reckon this bloke may turn out to be a gun. Give it time :shh
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McGuane, Limbach and Roach should all get 1 more year just to make sure they arent up to it.The ferals will go nuts if they keep guys like a gaspar or a rodan and they delist a Limbach and he becomes a good player somewhere else. That being the case I doubt Wallace will nail any of the 3 kids listed above.
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Playing for their careers
25 June 2006 Sunday Herald Sun
Jon Ralph
BY the time Rory Hilton finally worked his way into the Richmond side in Round 11 last year, he knew he had half a year to prove himself all over again.
Only 12 rounds to somehow circumvent the club's new youth policy or go and get a real job.
It is a scenario scores of AFL footballers will be considering during the split round.
Their dilemma? Either make the coaches take notice or face the scrap heap.
It's no place for the faint-hearted, says Hilton, now happy to be out of the cut-throat world of AFL footy and playing with mates in the Goulburn Valley league.
``It's just that week-to-week thing. You live and die by your results on the weekend,'' Hilton says of that phase when you simply must perform.
``It's kind of like everything you do you feel is getting scrutinised, from every kick, to every time you go towards the ball, every time you kick a goal or your opponent kicks a goal.
``You have basically got 10 or 12 or however many weeks to prove your worth.''
By late in the year, Hilton was resigned to his fate, but still it didn't get any easier.
``I think the third-party influences from family and friends, that's where the pressure comes from because they are wondering what's going to happen,'' he says.
``And then every time there is someone in the paper mentioning your name, that you are out of contract, and the club is not sure what to do, it is coming from all angles.
``If you live and breathe footy, you are not going to handle it well and not going to survive, but I had a few other things going on in my life to take my mind off it.
``I was coming back from a knee reconstruction and my footy wasn't going too great. I was almost over it by the time it was happening.''
If Hilton felt his cards were marked no matter how well he played, he remained grateful for the chance to prove himself in the seniors in his final year at Richmond.
Former Essendon and Tiger onballer Justin Blumfield, whose career was cut short at 27, is a player manager with Athletes1 and at this time of year can be found advising players on how to resuscitate flagging careers.
``The kids in the system these days have three to four years to show something and, by the middle of the third year, if there is not much being shown, you have to see what is going wrong,'' Blumfield says.
``We encourage them to knuckle down or do things differently or do extra training or something that might get them the spark and lift that will get them over the line.
``When I was at Richmond it was tough to deal with. You knew if you didn't have the opportunity it was hard to prove yourself, but you just try to be positive and you can't think too far ahead.
``You just have to think of the smaller things, like training hard and doing the right things.''
Even if they manage to impress late in the year, some players will be culled simply because of list management.
Every club needs a minimum of three picks in the national draft and, if there are rookies to be elevated or players to be picked in the pre-season draft, space needs to be made on the primary list.
``You get to the stage where you are being told that your career depends on how you play each week,'' Hilton says.
``It's pressure, but it's also an opportunity.''
Playing for their careers
RICHMOND
Darren Gaspar: Can't find a spot in Richmond's best, presumably because of lack of rebound. Just turned 30. Tigers have postponed contract talks - never a good sign for an ageing player.
David Rodan: An undoubted talent, but few chances this year in the seniors. Future could be elsewhere if opportunities don't present themselves in the second half of the season.
Greg Stafford: Only five goals in seven matches as a forward. He is 32 in August, so retirement is more likely than not.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,19578439%255E19742,00.html
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Jacko appears to be a poor man's Goddard, no real position, caught in between KPP and midfielder without footy smarts.
He is a good lead and a good grab, natural forward I reckon, do they hold on to these guys for the the 2-3 years (hopefully longer) that Richo has left or let them go.
Jacko doesn't have a natural forward's scent for goals. Am yet to see him crumb a goal at AFL level, and his kicking style is shaky at best because it is not technical and is without a consistent ball drop.
Probably needs an intense training course with a focus on the technical kicking style with a set routine to follow when lining up for goals. Needs to get to & create contests more frequently so as to increase possession opportunities.