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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 22, 2006, 10:56:27 AM
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How do you think Matty White has gone in the past few weeks? While other yongsters are getting all the attention lol he seems to be slowly finding his feet at senior level across half-back.
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great pick up in the pre-season draft
terrific pace with a bit of mongrel
looks to play a little like mathew robbins
A key part of the future that will release raines to the midfield next year.
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Decision making is poor at this stage of the proceedings, 12 months to fix it or as Andy D likes to say...I think he's in strife ;D
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Are things starting to click for Whitey?
He's starting to have impact on games using his pace to advantage when he gets his hands on the ball.
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not convinced yet but is improving, will know by yrs end
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Thought he was very good today - gives a run but also has a very good defensive side to his game.
Showed some marts too in the last with that pass to Brown - could have blazed away but didn't
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like the lad has strong upper body & shakes off the tacklers, has great pace & played a good game today. A bright future
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White > Hyde, Howatt
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Matty is showing some very good signs over the past 2 weeks. Looks like he's been taking some lessons from Foley.
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Must admit i'm not Whitey's biggest fan but he has been playing some good footy lately. Not only for the seniors but also for the Burgers.
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Must admit i'm not Whitey's biggest fan but he has been playing some good footy lately. Not only for the seniors but also for the Burgers.
Agree Bluey we are watching the same game, to me he has shown strength & brushes off tackles more easy & seems to have a little extra pace.
His skills & goal kicking have improved, His the type of player we need to get more games into. With more confidence l see a very good player who will serve us well in the midfield going forward :thumbsup
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Must admit i'm not Whitey's biggest fan but he has been playing some good footy lately. Not only for the seniors but also for the Burgers.
Agree Bluey we are watching the same game, to me he has shown strength & brushes off tackles more easy & seems to have a little extra pace.
His skills & goal kicking have improved, His the type of player we need to get more games into. With more confidence l see a very good player who will serve us well in the midfield going forward :thumbsup
Pretty sure he or his father, the only poster I go to PRE for, already stated something along the lines of he's Foley's "buddy" and is modelling himself on him. Two Foley's would be nice bursting out of the centre square. :pray
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Pretty sure he or his father, the only poster I go to PRE for, already stated something along the lines of he's Foley's "buddy" and is modelling himself on him. Two Foley's would be nice bursting out of the centre square. :pray
going off his game lately breaking out of the midfield you be sure he was. :thumbsup
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Pretty sure he or his father, the only poster I go to PRE for, already stated something along the lines of he's Foley's "buddy" and is modelling himself on him. Two Foley's would be nice bursting out of the centre square. :pray
"Rimau Junior" is Matt's dad. If he says that's what he is doing then I'm pretty confident he is. It is showing. Keep it up Matty.
Yet another positive Nathan is having on the club. :thumbsup
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Yet another positive Nathan is having on the club. :thumbsup
Off topic - but this just shows me yet again that Foley must be our next captain
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Looks like a different player this year.
Whatever he's doing it's working.
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Just out of interest here's what the phantom drafts thought of Whitey before he was drafted in the PSD in 2005.
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footydraft's view
Matt White
Details:
Club: Sunbury/Calder Cannons
DOB: 15 April 1987 Hgt: 178cm Wgt: 74kg
Position: Midfield
Natural Foot: Right
Honours:
Vic Metro U16 2003
Victorian Screening 2004
Victorian Screening 2005
Statistics:
2004 TAC Cup: 16 games, 5 goals, 10.8 PPG
2005 TAC Cup: 15 games, 7 goals, average 19.1 PPG, 9 times in best
Awards:
TAC Cup Morrish Medal: 11 votes
TAC Cup Coaches Award: 16 votes
Background:
Made his TAC Cup debut back in 2003 as a 16 year old for the Calder Cannons and also represented Vic Metro U16 in the same year. In his 17 year old season at the Cannons he played 16 matches and was looked at in Victorian State Screening but passed on in the draft. A bad run with injuries this season saw him miss vital finals matches and also miss the Under-18 championships. His explosive pace is by far his greatest attribute, and he is more than capable around stoppages.
Strengths:
- Pace – line breaker/ball carrier
- Good in close/stoppages
- Strong endurance runner
- Good 1%ers
Weaknesses:
- Missed a lot of footy with injury this year
- Can be hit and miss with his disposal by foot
- He doesn’t take many marks – average 1.7 per game in 2004 and 2.7 per game in 2005
Footydraft.com comment:
Has played some terrific footy, but the consistency has not been there this year due to injury problems. It was also a bit surprising to see him only be nominated for screening. Given those two factors, he might slip down the draft order a bit. Could go as early as mid to late second round or slip right down into the 50s but it would be a surprise to see him miss being drafted.
http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=matt_white
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Colin Wisbey's view
UP AGAINST IT (from National & Preseason drafts, in draft order) – I’d like to see every committed draftee succeed but these would surprise me: (Almost every draftee gets AFL games these days. I'm talking about sustained AFL careers)
WHITE, Matthew (P 5) [Ric] Predator hard-running compulsive quick dasher. Ankle problems throughout '05. Hard worker on and off field. Fierce tackler. Will break the play open and carry the ball but is not clean or quick-thinking enough and disposal / hurt factor a worry.
http://www.voy.com/51976/52438.html
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Weaknesses:
- Can be hit and miss with his disposal by foot
WHITE, Matthew ... not clean or quick-thinking enough and disposal / hurt factor a worry.
Fix this and you will be a gun Matty. My personal opinion. He is very enthusiastic but just needs to calm down a bit and take the edge off. This should be able to be done without losing pace. I see it as a more mental thing than physical. Anyone know a good guru?
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white is very similar to foley, he will improve greatly if he continues to play in the 22. Imagine if white becomes a second foley wow. It's possible :)
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Just out of interest here's what the phantom drafts thought of Whitey before he was drafted in the PSD in 2005.
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footydraft's view
Matt White
Details:
Club: Sunbury/Calder Cannons
DOB: 15 April 1987 Hgt: 178cm Wgt: 74kg
Position: Midfield
Natural Foot: Right
Honours:
Vic Metro U16 2003
Victorian Screening 2004
Victorian Screening 2005
Statistics:
2004 TAC Cup: 16 games, 5 goals, 10.8 PPG
2005 TAC Cup: 15 games, 7 goals, average 19.1 PPG, 9 times in best
Awards:
TAC Cup Morrish Medal: 11 votes
TAC Cup Coaches Award: 16 votes
Background:
Made his TAC Cup debut back in 2003 as a 16 year old for the Calder Cannons and also represented Vic Metro U16 in the same year. In his 17 year old season at the Cannons he played 16 matches and was looked at in Victorian State Screening but passed on in the draft. A bad run with injuries this season saw him miss vital finals matches and also miss the Under-18 championships. His explosive pace is by far his greatest attribute, and he is more than capable around stoppages.
Strengths:
- Pace – line breaker/ball carrier
- Good in close/stoppages
- Strong endurance runner
- Good 1%ers
Weaknesses:
- Missed a lot of footy with injury this year
- Can be hit and miss with his disposal by foot
- He doesn’t take many marks – average 1.7 per game in 2004 and 2.7 per game in 2005
Footydraft.com comment:
Has played some terrific footy, but the consistency has not been there this year due to injury problems. It was also a bit surprising to see him only be nominated for screening. Given those two factors, he might slip down the draft order a bit. Could go as early as mid to late second round or slip right down into the 50s but it would be a surprise to see him miss being drafted.
http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=matt_white
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Colin Wisbey's view
UP AGAINST IT (from National & Preseason drafts, in draft order) – I’d like to see every committed draftee succeed but these would surprise me: (Almost every draftee gets AFL games these days. I'm talking about sustained AFL careers)
WHITE, Matthew (P 5) [Ric] Predator hard-running compulsive quick dasher. Ankle problems throughout '05. Hard worker on and off field. Fierce tackler. Will break the play open and carry the ball but is not clean or quick-thinking enough and disposal / hurt factor a worry.
http://www.voy.com/51976/52438.html
I remember White being touted as a decent prospect pre-draft, and was consitered a pretty good get to pick him up in the PSD.
He had some injury problems the year before he was draftd, but 9 BOGs in 15 games is a pretty impressive effort.
I have been on his bandwagon since the Burgers vs Geelong VFL game. Looked sensational.
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I remember Hawk supporters at the time spewing we got him in the 2005 PSD. They were hoping he would slip through to the rookie draft as they had the pick before us. Whitey was also captain of Calder IIRC.
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If Matty keeps on improving and developing quickly and plays games like he did on Sunday he'll be a regular in the 18 let alone the 22. Can get the hard ball and break the lines with pace and long kicking. :clapping
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What did we all think of Matty White's game last night?
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if his rate of improvement continues until the end of the year,
I will be a fan.
Definitely has the goods and from all indications,redy to step up.
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Yup like him.
Am glad I stuck up for him in the off-season while people were laying into him as a dud.
He's paying dividends. ;D :clapping
But seriously he's on the upward curve, looks to be a player.
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Disposal is on the improve
The attitude is fantastic, the decision making is gewtting better every week..
Amazing what confidence can do... :thumbsup
Terrific kid off the field too :thumbsup
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i never rated this kid but feel a lot different. You can see it - the boy can play!!!!
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Onwards and upwards Matty :clapping
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What did we all think of Matty White's game?
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Matty is coming along nicely, he needs to be let loose so he can continue his development as a player.
Could turn into another Foley the way he is going.
Good work Whitey.
Someone with his leg speed is very handy.
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Matty is coming along nicely, he needs to be let loose so he can continue his development as a player.
Could turn into another Foley the way he is going.
Good work Whitey.
Someone with his leg speed is very handy.
While he is doing well, no he will never be another Foley.
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Matty is coming along nicely, he needs to be let loose so he can continue his development as a player.
Could turn into another Foley the way he is going.
Good work Whitey.
Someone with his leg speed is very handy.
While he is doing well, no he will never be another Foley.
Whitey's doesn't have the inside game Foley does but outside they are very similar. Both are burst players who can use their pace to breakaway from stoppages and break the lines. They are both also goalkicking mids on their day which is something we've lacked for a long time in the past.
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IMHO one of Matty White's great strengths is the defensive side to his game. Will bust a gut to chase down an opponent.
Just needed an opportunity to play over a number of weeks , rather than AFL one week VFL the next.
With all the kids I just think you have to give them a at least 3-4 games in row to allow them to settle
Matty has benefited from that approach and we are seeing the rewards :clapping
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IMHO one of Matty White's great strengths is the defensive side to his game. Will bust a gut to chase down an opponent.
You're not Plough's ghostwriter on EOTT are you WP? ;D
Massive praise for Whitey by Plough.
His ability to run, chase and pressurise the opposition, regularly creates goal opportunities for our team. He has a big motor, is very quick, and now has the strength to hold his tackles, or bust out of tight situations. If he continues to work hard on all aspects of his game, he can be a quality player for the Club for many many years.
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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You're not Plough's ghostwriter on EOTT are you WP? ;D
Massive praise for Whitey by Plough.
:nope :nope :nope
:eyebrow
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Whitey's been our bolter so far this year IMO. Last year he was stagnating running around at Coburg and now he's just hit 21 something's click. Hopefully there's still further improvement left as he matures like Axel has.
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Plough loves Matty White:
Snippet from EOTT
"Each week he shows us a little bit more of what he’s going to provide us with over the next decade ..... ‘Whitey’ has the ability to burn off his opponents and run all day, which makes him a really valuable member of our team. Because of his endurance, he also has the ability to stop his opponents getting easy kicks ..... So, he became both an offensive and defensive weapon for the team, and an extremely valuable player."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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Plough loves Matty White:
Oh no, not an Eddie and Nathan "love affair" at Tigerland. :rollin
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After a few quiet weeks, good to see Matty find some form again.
How did we all rate his game yesterday?
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still needs to do alot more to get rated. he took some nice marks, and yes he has pace, but his disposal still lets him down . needs to string more than one good hame to get rated. jury still out, but things look more posiitive for him than a few weeks ago
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He is only 22 and has the drive and passion to work on any deficiencies.
Will be a long term player for us.
:cheers
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hope so but he will have pressure for a spot coming from meyer, polo, and guys like raines, casserly and collins if they get their bodies right
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I reckon he will always have to compete for a spot (read - won't always be first picked) but he has shown good improvement this year to suggest he will keep his spot. Every good side has a number of his type that keep the pressure on for spots and create the depth that is essential. I have no problem with him at all.
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More of the White stuff
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
Sun 24 August, 2008
NOT PRETTY, but effective.
Richmond's seven-point win over Fremantle at the MCG on Saturday afternoon has kept them in the hunt for the finals, but for most of the day, the Tigers looked anything but the side that so comprehensively beat second-placed Hawthorn last week.
Last week it was the Tigers methodically picking their way through the Hawks' highly-effective rolling zone, this week they employed a Geelong-style play on at all costs.
Quicksilver Tigers midfielder Matt White said the Tigers had probably overdone the need for speed.
"It was a little scrappy – I think we rushed a little bit today," he told richmondfc.com.au after the match.
"We thought if we got it moving with run-and-carry we could burn them off, but we just kept turning the ball over, and they kept converting that into goals.
"Once we got a bit more control back into our game, we finally got back into it, and it just kept going from there, as everyone saw."
The 21-year-old said Fremantle – who have lost an amazing eight matches by single-figure scores this season – was always going to be a dangerous side to combat.
"Fremantle are playing for pride now, and to their credit, they were playing some pretty good footy, and going from what we did last week – where we had really set structures – we sort-of mixed it up a little bit this weekend.
"Instead of playing that keepings-off sort of game, and working it forward, we tried to run-and-carry it - fast play and we turned it over through the midfield, which they turned into goals.
"We were trying to move it quickly and get it inside 50 because we thought we could beat them in there with some talls, and the smalls running around.
"But it just didn't seem to work."
The Tigers finally settle down after the three-quarter-time break, and booted four consecutive goals to go to a match-high 20-point lead. Fremantle got a couple late, but the Tigers hung tough and grabbed the points.
"It really started us off well – to get goals in that time, in that first five or ten minutes, to put a bit of a lead on – just gives us control of the game a little bit more.
"We didn't have to panic about keeping hold of it and really trying to work it back off them, we could save the game and still go about our business of going inside 50 and kicking goals."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=66177
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What was pleasing to me was seeing Whitey more defensive efforts from him yesterday. Some crucial spoils and tackles running from behind.
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at least he chases unlike someone else. :shh
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What was pleasing to me was seeing Whitey more defensive efforts from him yesterday. Some crucial spoils and tackles running from behind.
You want more defensive efforts out of the guy running 4th for tackles?
Whitey is 4th for tackles while still being:
8th for inside 50's
8th for centre clearances
and 2nd for goal assists.
He is probably our most effective defensive players while still being one of most attacking players.
Maybe I am getting your post wrong MT but Whitey's defensive efforts are just what some of our higher profile young guns need to emulate.
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Great Speed. Can Tackle
Wing/ Back Pocket/Forward Pocket/Centre/Half Forward/Half Back - any of those positions.
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He is only 22 and has the drive and passion to work on any deficiencies.
Will be a long term player for us.
:cheers
I am sure that Whitey doesn't turn 22 until 2009.
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A gem.... :clapping
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What was pleasing to me was seeing more defensive efforts from him yesterday. Some crucial spoils and tackles running from behind.
You want more defensive efforts out of the guy running 4th for tackles?
Whitey is 4th for tackles while still being:
8th for inside 50's
8th for centre clearances
and 2nd for goal assists.
He is probably our most effective defensive players while still being one of most attacking players.
Maybe I am getting your post wrong MT but Whitey's defensive efforts are just what some of our higher profile young guns need to emulate.
Nah I only meant when compared to his past couple of games where he was a bit quiet IMO. Overall he's stepped up this year for that very reason of using his pace both ways.
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Another solid game from Whitey :thumbsup.
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Matty White plays his 50th game this week :clapping.
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best player from 2005 draft...
hughes, JON, Casserly ... :-\
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I think Matty has developed Rainesy's problem in the last couple of games. Running too far into trouble thinking he can dodge opponents and then dishing off to flat footed teammates who are under the hammer :-\. Needs a spell at Coburg to sort things out.
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Seems to have gone backwards since Rawlings took over
Although his form drop also coincides with his hamstring injury
Would like to see how he goes under a good coach
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deserves his own thread on todays game
Not a mathew white fan, but you have respect a guy that shows that much ticker.
In the context of the game at that time that goal was a career highlight, absolutely sensational
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ripper goal
must play out the season.
can play
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Sometimes needs to slow down and assess rather than put the head down and charge like a bull without looking around him. Great goal in the last though.
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Good on Whitey saving his footy career over the past 6-7 weeks. The only thing that's gone wrong in that time for Matty is Shane Edwards poking him in the eye high-5ing :wallywink. Matty's left eye was swollen and closed shut apparently yesterday.
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That was whites own fault - the poke in the eye. He dropped his hand away before Edwards made contact with it.
About Whites biggest blunder for the season :D.
The thing that has surprised (pleasantly) me about White is his ability to hold his own in one on one contests as he is hardly ever beaten . Even when outnumbered at times he manages to scrag a ball up. Has also shown that he can be very creative with the ball. I think he has a lot more talent than some give him credit for and if he can keep improving will be a part of the clubs long term plans.
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he has improved heaps and is finally using his pace both offensively and more importantly defensively for the team
still not sold on him yet though if we wanna become elite , players like him still need to improve
what he has got is tiger blood and ticker
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He's doing everything right at the moment, and IMO, he's off the list of players to get the chop at the end of the year.
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still not sold on him yet though if we wanna become elite , players like him still need to improve
As do all the players, however he has an amazing combination of speed and endurance. If he can put it all together then he will be a very handy player for us. Remember, he's played 65 games for us now, look at the progress someone like Shane Edwards has made after playing 60 and you can see that it really does take a good 3 years before most players adjust properly to the level required.
White & Graham have meant that the 2005 draft wasn't a complete write off after all
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Keeps on improving under the tutorledge of Hardwick.
A remarkable transformation really....was on"football death row".
I wouldn't be surprised to see him play 100 + games for the club now.
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i reckon his last 6 weeks have been his best collectively. I have never been a fan, but fairs fair he's turned the corner and is now a genuine contributor to the side, plays within himself, understands his limitations(and strengths!) and plays to them
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Totally agree with the comments put on this thread. Lets hope he continues to improve not only for the club but for himself as well
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Seen Matt at the local gyn tonight( does extra work there once a week )
Asked him why he doesnt run through the banner any more.
Explained that earlier in the year when he was dropped to Coburg, he decided not to run through it, and has played well ever since.
Eye looked okay although blood shot.
Good bloke is Matt :thumbsup
Didn't you have the guts to tell him that you regularly post that he is the biggest dud at Tigerland? :wallywink
You obviously don't watch too much footy because Whitey has NEVER run through the banner before a Richmond game. It is not a new thing. Everyone who watches the Mighty Tigers has noticed it for years. And he is not the only one at Tigerland, or in the AFL.
Given Whitey's form it will be interesting to see if he runs through the banner for his 100th game for the Tigers.
I guess you are lucky that he didn't try to replicate his eye on your face, firstly because he doesnt't read your crap on here and secondly that he is a good bloke.
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Seen Matt at the local gyn tonight( does extra work there once a week )
Asked him why he doesnt run through the banner any more.
Explained that earlier in the year when he was dropped to Coburg, he decided not to run through it, and has played well ever since.
Eye looked okay although blood shot.
Good bloke is Matt :thumbsup
Didn't you have the guts to tell him that you regularly post that he is the biggest dud at Tigerland? :wallywink
You obviously don't watch too much footy because Whitey has NEVER run through the banner before a Richmond game. It is not a new thing. Everyone who watches the Mighty Tigers has noticed it for years. And he is not the only one at Tigerland, or in the AFL.
Given Whitey's form it will be interesting to see if he runs through the banner for his 100th game for the Tigers.
I guess you are lucky that he didn't try to replicate his eye on your face, firstly because he doesnt't read your crap on here and secondly that he is a good bloke.
:lol although Jackster has been a star since he's been back on the forum.
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Its Jackstar you moron, not Jackster. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :)
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Jack,
You've said you seen White and Simmonds at the gym after hours?
Why are they wasting money on going to the gym when they have facilities at RFC? The club surely wouldn't close for our players to do extra gym work?
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i doubt they pay
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Its Jackstar you moron, not Jackster. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :)
sorry Jackmeof :santa
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Whitey has also re-signed apparently....
Can't say too much, but stay tuned for an announcement (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif)
I'm guessin one year contract extension
I believe it is two years from what I have heard.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747813&page=3
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He still misses too many targets by foot which has always been his major flaw of his but Whitey has started well in his new shutdown role. He's kept Yarran and now Montagna out of the game in the past two weeks.
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the problem is those misses are often when not under pressure.
It's a shame because his pace and ability to win one on one contests are invaluable but he causes so much :banghead
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I've noticed he always tries to kick at full pace rather than steadying before he disposes.
His pace breaks lines and can keep up with any player plus his stamina makes him a great shutdown player as he won't run out of legs, but he just needs a bit more composure
I hope he can get this as I think he plays the tagging role well
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white is improving , been good 2 weeks now, but he still, like foley misses too many targets
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Tagging roll suits him. Agree needs to work on hitting targets
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White out
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Wed 22 Jun, 2011
Speedy Richmond utility player Matthew White will be sidelined for the next 2-4 weeks with a medial ligament strain in his left knee.
White sustained the injury playing for Coburg in the VFL last Sunday following his omission from the Richmond side that defeated Brisbane at the Gabba on Saturday night.
He was a key factor in Coburg’s stunning upset win against the Casey Scorpions, with his ball-getting ability, strong running and effective disposal.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/116805/default.aspx
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Whitey got a meat tray for being B.O.G. today lol.
From Matty White twitter:
"What a result. A win with @CoburgFC and an awesome meat tray! #livingthedream"
(https://p.twimg.com/AwI4pB_CQAA1_Rr.jpg)
https://twitter.com/matt_white35/status/216798009617432576/photo/1
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There ain't any "burgers" in the meat tray..lol
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But if that meat tray has come from Coburg City Meats then those snags are award winning and bloody delicious ;D
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No Burgers in the meat tray
Your would think with the club being nicknamed the burgers..the meat tray would have some burgers in it
Great game by Matty although will get 2 weeks
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my own preference is we dont play white in the seniors. like miller hes not the way forward and a waste of an opportunity to get more games into players who have not had a taste of afl.
will concede though if hes repeatedly in the best players the club should be seen to do the right thing and actually reward good coburg form. rather than continueosly hoping players already in the side will improve. question is who does he come in for. surely not developing players like ellis and conca who quite frankly have given more in the games they have got than white has in any game in his 7 yrs at the club. perhaps white for a fellow battler like king or nahas.
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White got reported and will probably get a holiday
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White got reported and will probably get a holiday
Another reason why we need him playing for Richmond.
We need a bit of hardness, it's the reason Jacko keeps getting a game.
:cheers
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my own preference is we dont play white in the seniors. like miller hes not the way forward and a waste of an opportunity to get more games into players who have not had a taste of afl.
will concede though if hes repeatedly in the best players the club should be seen to do the right thing and actually reward good coburg form. rather than continueosly hoping players already in the side will improve. question is who does he come in for. surely not developing players like ellis and conca who quite frankly have given more in the games they have got than white has in any game in his 7 yrs at the club. perhaps white for a fellow battler like king or nahas.
Jackson
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my own preference is we dont play white in the seniors. like miller hes not the way forward and a waste of an opportunity to get more games into players who have not had a taste of afl.
will concede though if hes repeatedly in the best players the club should be seen to do the right thing and actually reward good coburg form. rather than continueosly hoping players already in the side will improve. question is who does he come in for. surely not developing players like ellis and conca who quite frankly have given more in the games they have got than white has in any game in his 7 yrs at the club. perhaps white for a fellow battler like king or nahas.
Jackson
i can name 5 senior players who are regulars i would never play again but whats the point just opens a can of worms. theres others badly out of form i would drop and give a kid a game as well.
at least white is not a regular so why add to the 5. a blind man can see who can and who cant take us forward imo the kids are close enough to the spuds to put in and leave in and hopefully go way past em.
we are very much still a building and developing list why that goes out the window because we have won a couple of games is beyond me.
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VIDEO: Matty White talks fitness ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/479587/Matt%20White%20talks%20fitness/
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VIDEO: Matty White's goal after 3 bounces from the wing and ping on the run from 50m ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/480837/default.aspx
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Woo-hoo. :help
Pity he couldn't hit targets 30 metres away or make the right decision earlier in the game.
Delist.
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VIDEO: Matty White post-match interview in the rooms ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/480946/In%20the%20rooms:%20White%20post%20match/
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At least he'll have some highlights to show the grandkiddies to go along with his RFC tattoo
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Matty White on 'Gen Y Footy' with Nick Dal Santo and co.
http://www.deanandfrankie.com/
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Any reason why Marty white doesn't go through the banner?
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Any reason why Marty white doesn't go through the banner?
Superstition
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Has done his hammy been subbed off.
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I thought he actually started pretty well, minus the wayward kicks. So that's a bit of a bummer.
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I thought he actually started pretty well, minus the wayward kicks. So that's a bit of a bummer.
Last game for the club i feel.
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Gorn
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Trade Radio @traderadio twitter:
"Matty White also beleived to have been offered a one-year deal and has been giving consideration to that says @barrettdamian"
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Where is Etko
he should be able to confirm this.
Matt please ring home and speak to Etko, LOL ;)
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It's from Damian Barrett nuff said.
He is just a depth player now. Would be top 30-35 now one would hope after trades and drafts.
Hopefully he won't see much senior footy but good luck to him if true about the extension.
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Trade Radio @traderadio twitter:
"Matty White also beleived to have been offered a one-year deal and has been giving consideration to that says @barrettdamian"
Poor old Damian (wheelie bin) Barrett is getting slow with the news these days ;) ;D
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I am looking forward to White playing next year, could be a real asset should he get it together. I thought he played one of his best game this year, the game he was reported in.
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Greg isn't up to it. But he will be handy for Coburg for one more season
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Greg isn't up to it. But he will be handy for Coburg for one more season
Have bookmarked this one.
Hope he proves you wrong.
:cheers
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Greg isn't up to it. But he will be handy for Coburg for one more season
Have bookmarked this one.
Hope he proves you wrong.
:cheers
I hope he does too. I'm a fan and called for him to get a game this year. He just isn't good enough though unfortunately. He's the same player he was in 2008.
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I am looking forward to White playing next year, could be a real asset should he get it together. I thought he played one of his best game this year, the game he was reported in.
If my career was on the line as his apparently was in round 15 I would have played with intensity.
Pity for Greg White his performance are in cameos and he is very inconsistent.
Other than his pace he is just another below average player.
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Well the club still hold faith or they wouldn't of extended his contract and we haven't heard his name during tis trade period.
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Well the club still hold faith or they wouldn't of extended his contract and we haven't heard his name during tis trade period.
Who would be interested in trading for him? The club haven't extended it yet have they? We can't delist everyone so some of our average players stay (Whitey, McG and maybe Post + Graham and his contract)
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Well the club still hold faith or they wouldn't of extended his contract and we haven't heard his name during tis trade period.
Of course they have.
What about Shane Edwards WAT. :lol :rollin :lol
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Well the club still hold faith or they wouldn't of extended his contract and we haven't heard his name during tis trade period.
Do you think Matty White is a better player than Shane Edwards, and given he was drafted before him, has more upside?
If so, on what basis do you say this and if not, why pot Shane-o and have blind faith in Matty?
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It's from Damian Barrett nuff said.
He is just a depth player now. Would be top 30-35 now one would hope after trades and drafts.
Hopefully he won't see much senior footy but good luck to him if true about the extension.
hes not even a depth player.
he has never ever produced enough to deserve a game. a small mid whos had 7 yrs who turns 26 in april. who does not get the ball just 10 possesions a game, with poor skills and decision making. that makes him useless for his age and type. hes also played as a small forward and doesnt kick goals what role does he perform.
hes exactly like so many duds who have gone before him the odd good game and all is okay. i could go out and have a good game on the right day and im useless.
you want a depth player go and give a bloke like kyle martin a go tom sundberg sam dwyer and any amount of proven state league players who have the right skill sets and are athletically capable of the afl level.
with a bit of luck we not only get a depth player but players who lead and can maybe become decent consistent role players for richmond.
this bloke being a small should have well and truly established himself and clicked 4 or 5 yrs ago.
i have to chuckle at the attitude od f supporters who bring up f the club kept him so they must know something we dont so they think he can improve they must be right.
im sorry to say the club gets plenty wrong and everything about matt white. type, age, experience, skills, over all performance and just about every stat you can think of says they are wrong.
he is redundant hes not even depth because hes behind forwards nahas, king, edwards edwards, knights martin and just about every mid we have on the list.
in all honesty at age 26 after being in our system for 7 yrs and 80/90 odd games he will all of a sudden have to improve dramatically most areas of his game and miraculously become a consistent player who in all honesty thinks this will happen with his many deficiencies.
yes it was a mistake keeping white we sure as hell could use another pick around 50 or even later on a mature player who adds depth in an area we are lacking.there are plenty there who offer more than white.
surely as supporters we look at these things for ourselves and form our opininions based on them with out the need to go down the ignorant " oh the club kept him he must be okay.
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Love Whitey.
Bleeds the yellow and black and always does us proud. Best mates with Milzy and McG too.
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It's from Damian Barrett nuff said.
He is just a depth player now. Would be top 30-35 now one would hope after trades and drafts.
Hopefully he won't see much senior footy but good luck to him if true about the extension.
hes not even a depth player.
he has never ever produced enough to deserve a game. a small mid whos had 7 yrs who turns 26 in april. who does not get the ball just 10 possesions a game, with poor skills and decision making. that makes him useless for his age and type. hes also played as a small forward and doesnt kick goals what role does he perform.
hes exactly like so many duds who have gone before him the odd good game and all is okay. i could go out and have a good game on the right day and im useless.
you want a depth player go and give a bloke like kyle martin a go tom sundberg sam dwyer and any amount of proven state league players who have the right skill sets and are athletically capable of the afl level.
with a bit of luck we not only get a depth player but players who lead and can maybe become decent consistent role players for richmond.
this bloke being a small should have well and truly established himself and clicked 4 or 5 yrs ago.
i have to chuckle at the attitude od f supporters who bring up f the club kept him so they must know something we dont so they think he can improve they must be right.
im sorry to say the club gets plenty wrong and everything about matt white. type, age, experience, skills, over all performance and just about every stat you can think of says they are wrong.
he is redundant hes not even depth because hes behind forwards nahas, king, edwards edwards, knights martin and just about every mid we have on the list.
in all honesty at age 26 after being in our system for 7 yrs and 80/90 odd games he will all of a sudden have to improve dramatically most areas of his game and miraculously become a consistent player who in all honesty thinks this will happen with his many deficiencies.
yes it was a mistake keeping white we sure as hell could use another pick around 50 or even later on a mature player who adds depth in an area we are lacking.there are plenty there who offer more than white.
surely as supporters we look at these things for ourselves and form our opininions based on them with out the need to go down the ignorant " oh the club kept him he must be okay.
Claw you are full of contradictions. You may as well put this exact same post in the Aaron Edwards thread.
Like your last paragraph for instance. Reads well.
In all honesty at age 29 after being in the system for years and 82 games he will all of a sudden sudden have to improve dramatically most areas of his game and miraculously become a consistent player who in all honesty thinks this will happen with his many deficiencies.
......I agree totally.
Facts are White, Edwards, Post, Miller, Mcguane, Fringe player hacks that aren't good enough. Plain and simple.
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Edwards is/was a much better player than White. They are completely different players anyway.
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A. Edwards is actually a half decent player don't understand all the hate
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A. Edwards is actually a half decent player don't understand all the hate
:thumbsup
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A. Edwards is actually a half decent player don't understand all the hate
Has had behavioral issues. We have spent so long saying how important the attitude side of a player is, it seems strange that the club went out a got a "bad boy" who could badly influence guys like Martin (a fellow Maori).
That and the fact he will be 29 seemed strange to most and a complete 180 to what has preceded it from the club.
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
FFS Jack shouldn't need support he should be kicking 175 a season FFS :banghead
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
FFS Jack shouldn't need support he should be kicking 175 a season FFS :banghead
poo yeah Coach I forgot how lazy that SOB is.
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
FFS Jack shouldn't need support he should be kicking 175 a season FFS :banghead
poo yeah Coach I forgot how lazy that SOB is.
FFS what sort of nuffer is happy with 60 goals. If he had any talent he would kick 9 a game
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
FFS Jack shouldn't need support he should be kicking 175 a season FFS :banghead
poo yeah Coach I forgot how lazy that SOB is.
FFS what sort of nuffer is happy with 60 goals. If he had any talent he would kick 9 a game
I for one am not happy with 60 goals a season :banghead
I expect A. Edwards to surpass Jack in his first season and kick 125 goals and assist Jack in at least half of his 112 goals.
A.Edwards will expose Jack for his lack of work ethic.
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
FFS Jack shouldn't need support he should be kicking 175 a season FFS :banghead
poo yeah Coach I forgot how lazy that SOB is.
FFS what sort of nuffer is happy with 60 goals. If he had any talent he would kick 9 a game
I for one am not happy with 60 goals a season :banghead
I expect A. Edwards to surpass Jack in his first season and kick 125 goals and assist Jack in at least half of his 112 goals.
A.Edwards will expose Jack for his lack of work ethic.
Whats thst, in knocking back beers, coleman medalist we re talking
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
FFS Jack shouldn't need support he should be kicking 175 a season FFS :banghead
poo yeah Coach I forgot how lazy that SOB is.
FFS what sort of nuffer is happy with 60 goals. If he had any talent he would kick 9 a game
I for one am not happy with 60 goals a season :banghead
I expect A. Edwards to surpass Jack in his first season and kick 125 goals and assist Jack in at least half of his 112 goals.
A.Edwards will expose Jack for his lack of work ethic.
Whats thst, in knocking back beers, coleman medalist we re talking
I won't be happy until he wins 14 Colemans, 6 Norm Smiths and i also think it is pathetic he has not won the rising star award for the past 5 seasons.
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It's from Damian Barrett nuff said.
He is just a depth player now. Would be top 30-35 now one would hope after trades and drafts.
Hopefully he won't see much senior footy but good luck to him if true about the extension.
hes not even a depth player.
he has never ever produced enough to deserve a game. a small mid whos had 7 yrs who turns 26 in april. who does not get the ball just 10 possesions a game, with poor skills and decision making. that makes him useless for his age and type. hes also played as a small forward and doesnt kick goals what role does he perform.
hes exactly like so many duds who have gone before him the odd good game and all is okay. i could go out and have a good game on the right day and im useless.
you want a depth player go and give a bloke like kyle martin a go tom sundberg sam dwyer and any amount of proven state league players who have the right skill sets and are athletically capable of the afl level.
with a bit of luck we not only get a depth player but players who lead and can maybe become decent consistent role players for richmond.
this bloke being a small should have well and truly established himself and clicked 4 or 5 yrs ago.
i have to chuckle at the attitude od f supporters who bring up f the club kept him so they must know something we dont so they think he can improve they must be right.
im sorry to say the club gets plenty wrong and everything about matt white. type, age, experience, skills, over all performance and just about every stat you can think of says they are wrong.
he is redundant hes not even depth because hes behind forwards nahas, king, edwards edwards, knights martin and just about every mid we have on the list.
in all honesty at age 26 after being in our system for 7 yrs and 80/90 odd games he will all of a sudden have to improve dramatically most areas of his game and miraculously become a consistent player who in all honesty thinks this will happen with his many deficiencies.
yes it was a mistake keeping white we sure as hell could use another pick around 50 or even later on a mature player who adds depth in an area we are lacking.there are plenty there who offer more than white.
surely as supporters we look at these things for ourselves and form our opininions based on them with out the need to go down the ignorant " oh the club kept him he must be okay.
Claw you are full of contradictions. You may as well put this exact same post in the Aaron Edwards thread.
Like your last paragraph for instance. Reads well.
In all honesty at age 29 after being in the system for years and 82 games he will all of a sudden sudden have to improve dramatically most areas of his game and miraculously become a consistent player who in all honesty thinks this will happen with his many deficiencies.
......I agree totally.
Facts are White, Edwards, Post, Miller, Mcguane, Fringe player hacks that aren't good enough. Plain and simple.
you point out where im being contradictory and i will reply.
playing solely as medium sized forward this bloke averages 1.5 goals a game, and if you extend his average goals per game to 22 games over the last 3 yrs he would theoretically have kicked just on/under 2 goals a game for returns of over 40 per yr. he uses the ball really well. with the ball he makes good decisions and he actually hit packs hard. hes versatile in the fact he can take a fantastic mark for his size.
as a role player and that role is purely as a forward he is statistically the best sml/med forward we have on the list. he is without a doubt a massive upgrade on white yet posters defend their favorite club man and put the boots into edwards. yet in the same breath try and tell all of us matt white deserves his spot over edwards because hes nothing more than good depth. who is the better forward.
edwards will give more than connors macdonald for starters that makes him an upgrade and an improvement to the list. how hard is that to grasp. hes certainly a better option than white.
yes we need to find another longer term solution to our sml/medium sized forward problems but make no mistake edwards is a big improvement on not only what we had but what we have.
that longer term solution should be a max duffy or marvin warrell type and they should have whites spot. keeping white prevents us having a crack at one of these type of players hes freakin clogging up the list hurting development and causing stagnation.
what purpose does white fulfill.do we really need white nahas, king, edwards, edwards, knights whos at the bottom of the tree here? whos had 7 yrs? whos been consistently below
standard ? the answer is white. will he even get a game if injury occurs.
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Hartley, CC and FJ are on record as stating that they're taking a 3 and 4 year view of recruiting and list replenishment along with salary management. I see White's retention purely as a part of that. Line up 3 or 4 very easy delistings at the end of 2013 and 2014.
Funny how list manager's at 3 other clubs in a lengthy article in The Age subscribe to the same managed, 3 and 4 year approach. Including the Collingwood and Swans list managers. So the RFC is just managing to what many would subscribe as best practice.
Easy when you're not managing all the pieces. The salary cap and the CBA it's imposition of set salaries for year 1 and 2 player's creates a fair bit of headache for the club. Many moaning about Luke's salary for the past 3 years. Few would if they took the time to do the maths.
The CBA terms and the desire to keep structured salaries does impact your ability to move too much of the list, when that list is young. We're in that bind now.
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Just goes to show how hard we are up for a KPF to support Jack
FFS Jack shouldn't need support he should be kicking 175 a season FFS :banghead
poo yeah Coach I forgot how lazy that SOB is.
FFS what sort of nuffer is happy with 60 goals. If he had any talent he would kick 9 a game
Yer but now he has support from Vickery and Edwards we expect 15 a game.
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Hartley, CC and FJ are on record as stating that they're taking a 3 and 4 year view of recruiting and list replenishment along with salary management. I see White's retention purely as a part of that. Line up 3 or 4 very easy delistings at the end of 2013 and 2014.
Funny how list manager's at 3 other clubs in a lengthy article in The Age subscribe to the same managed, 3 and 4 year approach. Including the Collingwood and Swans list managers. So the RFC is just managing to what many would subscribe as best practice.
Easy when you're not managing all the pieces. The salary cap and the CBA it's imposition of set salaries for year 1 and 2 player's creates a fair bit of headache for the club. Many moaning about Luke's salary for the past 3 years. Few would if they took the time to do the maths.
The CBA terms and the desire to keep structured salaries does impact your ability to move too much of the list, when that list is young. We're in that bind now.
so what are they saying. i take it when we recruit a player it will be with the view we will look at them and keep them for 3 or 4 yrs. how this affects making it easy to delist players is beyond me.
most kids take between 2 and 4 yrs and talls even longer sometimes. depending on where you take a kid i would have thought planning your contracts around 3 or 4 yr terms the logical thing to do. i still dont see what that has to do with keeping players who add nothing to your list.
we have a 10 or more not including rookies who we should be seriously looking at cutting. most have been there more than 3 yrs.
atm if we are looking at cutting just 3 or 4 players each yr with the holes we have in the list then we will never get anywhere.
how does keeping white help us in this 3 or 4 yr approach hes had 7. how does he affect our salary cap are you saying we could not bring in a mature player like moloney as a f/a to help us get to 92%.
at 29 would not moloney with a two yr contract fall into that easy delisting category for 2013 2014.
and once again just because cc hartley and jackson say something does it mean they actually are right or what they say is written in stone and is totally inflexable.
there is absolutely no valid reason to keep players like white. weather thats contractually or the ability to delist players in yr or two time. or the role he plays depth skills performance he ticks none of them. in cutting him it does not create a list problem or a contractual problem sheesh they couldnt give him away no one wanted him yet we give him another yr. surely jackson and cameron has seen enough of him after all both have been there almost his entire career.
it is a valid question do these two even look at overall performances, the skill set of each player on our list, and the need for them in terms of the role they do with other options on the list. in whites case the answer to this must be clearly not.
i have to ask you do you think it at possible that every now and then they get things wrong. seems not the way every single thing they do is defended.
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Don't get your knickers in a knot. White will be gone next year and his spot will be taken by a first round draft pick. On ya, Whitey :clapping
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Havent seen Matts Dad posting here for a while.
No doubt he will bob up soon, LOL
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ROFLMFAO!
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A. Edwards is actually a half decent player don't understand all the hate
Has had behavioral issues. We have spent so long saying how important the attitude side of a player is, it seems strange that the club went out a got a "bad boy" who could badly influence guys like Martin (a fellow Maori).
That and the fact he will be 29 seemed strange to most and a complete 180 to what has preceded it from the club.
:clapping
Spot on. :thumbsup
Even worse than this is the fact that despite his history he gets locked up 3 days after given a lifeline. A complete moron if you ask me.
Apparently though he did nothing wrong. :lol
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A. Edwards is actually a half decent player don't understand all the hate
Has had behavioral issues. We have spent so long saying how important the attitude side of a player is, it seems strange that the club went out a got a "bad boy" who could badly influence guys like Martin (a fellow Maori).
That and the fact he will be 29 seemed strange to most and a complete 180 to what has preceded it from the club.
:clapping
Spot on. :thumbsup
Even worse than this is the fact that despite his history he gets locked up 3 days after given a lifeline. A complete moron if you ask me.
Apparently though he did nothing wrong. :lol
Spot off. Edwards is Samoan. born in Western Samoa.
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Havent seen Matts Dad posting here for a while.
No doubt he will bob up soon, LOL
Veteran of forums is Greg White's dad. Think he was a member of Forsaken
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bit too much detail there Coach Davey.
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Well he was.
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Weren't there only about 7 or 8 members at forsaken? :lol This will be like shooting fish in a barrel ;D
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Hartley, CC and FJ are on record as stating that they're taking a 3 and 4 year view of recruiting and list replenishment along with salary management. I see White's retention purely as a part of that. Line up 3 or 4 very easy delistings at the end of 2013 and 2014.
Funny how list manager's at 3 other clubs in a lengthy article in The Age subscribe to the same managed, 3 and 4 year approach. Including the Collingwood and Swans list managers. So the RFC is just managing to what many would subscribe as best practice.
Easy when you're not managing all the pieces. The salary cap and the CBA it's imposition of set salaries for year 1 and 2 player's creates a fair bit of headache for the club. Many moaning about Luke's salary for the past 3 years. Few would if they took the time to do the maths.
The CBA terms and the desire to keep structured salaries does impact your ability to move too much of the list, when that list is young. We're in that bind now.
so what are they saying. i take it when we recruit a player it will be with the view we will look at them and keep them for 3 or 4 yrs. how this affects making it easy to delist players is beyond me.
most kids take between 2 and 4 yrs and talls even longer sometimes. depending on where you take a kid i would have thought planning your contracts around 3 or 4 yr terms the logical thing to do. i still dont see what that has to do with keeping players who add nothing to your list.
we have a 10 or more not including rookies who we should be seriously looking at cutting. most have been there more than 3 yrs.
atm if we are looking at cutting just 3 or 4 players each yr with the holes we have in the list then we will never get anywhere.
how does keeping white help us in this 3 or 4 yr approach hes had 7. how does he affect our salary cap are you saying we could not bring in a mature player like moloney as a f/a to help us get to 92%.
at 29 would not moloney with a two yr contract fall into that easy delisting category for 2013 2014.
and once again just because cc hartley and jackson say something does it mean they actually are right or what they say is written in stone and is totally inflexable.
there is absolutely no valid reason to keep players like white. weather thats contractually or the ability to delist players in yr or two time. or the role he plays depth skills performance he ticks none of them. in cutting him it does not create a list problem or a contractual problem sheesh they couldnt give him away no one wanted him yet we give him another yr. surely jackson and cameron has seen enough of him after all both have been there almost his entire career.
it is a valid question do these two even look at overall performances, the skill set of each player on our list, and the need for them in terms of the role they do with other options on the list. in whites case the answer to this must be clearly not.
i have to ask you do you think it at possible that every now and then they get things wrong. seems not the way every single thing they do is defended.
There always appears to be enough others with their head on the chopping block first that by the time the Club gets to Whitey they do their "mark out of 1000" ranking they determine that despite his deficiencies he's still better as a senior listed player than the 'unknown' kids selected at say pick 60 in the draft with deficiencies of their own. He has no trade value either so the Club can't swap him for something worthwhile. It would've also helped him that the Club thinks it is locked and loaded :-\ for finals in 2013 so they want ready-made fringe players to call on as temporary fill-ins. I'm not saying that's the way it should be and I can't believe Whitey is still around after 7 years to play mostly at Coburg again either but that's how he's surviving IMO. This time around he only 'just' survived along with McGuane :help :scream and Derickx. Hard to see those names not being at the top of the cutting list in 12 months time.
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There always appears to be enough others with their head on the chopping block first that by the time the Club gets to Whitey they do their "mark out of 1000" ranking they determine that despite his deficiencies he's still better as a senior listed player than the 'unknown' kids selected at say pick 60 in the draft with deficiencies of their own. He has no trade value either so the Club can't swap him for something worthwhile.
yep, i think you are the money there MT
It would've also helped him that the Club thinks it is locked and loaded :-\ for finals in 2013 so they want ready-made fringe players to call on as temporary fill-ins. I'm not saying that's the way it should be and I can't believe Whitey is still around after 7 years to play mostly at Coburg again either but that's how he's surviving IMO. This time around he only 'just' survived along with McGuane :help :scream and Derickx. Hard to see those names not being at the top of the cutting list in 12 months time.
again have to agree, except for the "locked and loaded" Where the hell did you pull that crap from?
The quote you posted in another thread from Dimma harldy seems to be implying the club thinks it is locked and loaded
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There always appears to be enough others with their head on the chopping block first that by the time the Club gets to Whitey they do their "mark out of 1000" ranking they determine that despite his deficiencies he's still better as a senior listed player than the 'unknown' kids selected at say pick 60 in the draft with deficiencies of their own. He has no trade value either so the Club can't swap him for something worthwhile. It would've also helped him that the Club thinks it is locked and loaded :-\ for finals in 2013 so they want ready-made fringe players to call on as temporary fill-ins. I'm not saying that's the way it should be and I can't believe Whitey is still around after 7 years to play mostly at Coburg again either but that's how he's surviving IMO. This time around he only 'just' survived along with McGuane :help :scream and Derickx. Hard to see those names not being at the top of the cutting list in 12 months time.
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the club hardly acknowledges list deficiencies. craig cameron certainly does not.
we are not talking 18 yr olds here we are talking mature recruits both afl and state league.
we are 4 talls short on the list including ruckmen. in fact we are we are screaming out for a ruckman.
we are are at a minimum 4 mids short yet none of this is acknowledged. we are looking at petterd another med forward they certainly acknowledge the weakness in this area. in fact its been over kill petterd if we rookie him edwards, knights who is to play also as a mid, to go with nahas, king, s edwards and likely martin will again spend significant time forward. now add white and tell me from a list perspective we needed to keep white.
pick 60 plus would enable us to take kyle martin a mature mid, or jack hannath or cameron symonds both ruckmen of promise. oth 20 and 21. it would enable us to take a tall player like hartigan or even allow us to take a tall at 43 and another mid at 60 plus.the options are nendless and the opportunity to actually attempt to fill a hole is huge yet we go again with a known hack.
fair dinkum id give another forward in duffy a 20/21 yr old a go in front of white he actually as far as filling up a hole and attending to age gaps is a good fit.
other options we had.
well we all including the club are crying about the lack of mids yet we dont even put in an offer for the best performed mid in f/a in moloney. bloody hell moloney for two yrs or white or jackson for that matter.
if they cant find a better player than white at 60 ot in the psd or f/a or even rookie they should give up.
tell me will he play in front of is it it even remotely likely he will play in front of king nahas, knights, edwards, edwards, even ohanlon possibly petterd and martin. not on your life. depth pppfffffttt.hes the worst of a poor lot and hes had 7 yrs to show hes worth a spot and failed abysmally.
they have it wrong.
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Would rather replace White in one year with an early draft pick than be stuck with another most likely potato for two years.
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Would rather replace White in one year with an early draft pick than be stuck with another most likely potato for two years.
who says it has to be or had to be a draft pick this yr. brent moloney says high. but hey according to everyone hes too old a hack and not as good as white.
if white is only a one or two yr prospect why did we not go after blokes like moloney or stefan martin.arent they exactly the types we are lacking. another yr of white is equivalant of another yr of doing nothing.
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how do you know we didn't make inquiries about these two?
plus the comment was would prefer white for 1 year (not 1 or 2) than a another spud for 2 years.(moloney got a 2 year contract)
MT has moaned loader and more often about mr Mgoo than anyone else (except you), but at least he can see the process that has him still on the list for now.
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Stop swinging from the clubs nuts.
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There always appears to be enough others with their head on the chopping block first that by the time the Club gets to Whitey they do their "mark out of 1000" ranking they determine that despite his deficiencies he's still better as a senior listed player than the 'unknown' kids selected at say pick 60 in the draft with deficiencies of their own. He has no trade value either so the Club can't swap him for something worthwhile.
yep, i think you are the money there MT
It would've also helped him that the Club thinks it is locked and loaded :-\ for finals in 2013 so they want ready-made fringe players to call on as temporary fill-ins. I'm not saying that's the way it should be and I can't believe Whitey is still around after 7 years to play mostly at Coburg again either but that's how he's surviving IMO. This time around he only 'just' survived along with McGuane :help :scream and Derickx. Hard to see those names not being at the top of the cutting list in 12 months time.
again have to agree, except for the "locked and loaded" Where the hell did you pull that crap from?
The quote you posted in another thread from Dimma harldy seems to be implying the club thinks it is locked and loaded
It wasn't meant to be a direct quote from anyone at the Club. More an expression on my part to describe the Club's view that we're past the list development stage and it's now time we finally made the finals. I mean the Club was targeting finals this year even though I believed at the start of the season we wouldn't make it as we were too young, inexperienced and had poor depth. While Dimma is right to say finals isn't a right of passage, we have the likes of Craig Cameron talking about making the finals next year and there being no excuses. Dimma was just trying to keep the lid on the expectations of supporters.
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There always appears to be enough others with their head on the chopping block first that by the time the Club gets to Whitey they do their "mark out of 1000" ranking they determine that despite his deficiencies he's still better as a senior listed player than the 'unknown' kids selected at say pick 60 in the draft with deficiencies of their own. He has no trade value either so the Club can't swap him for something worthwhile. It would've also helped him that the Club thinks it is locked and loaded :-\ for finals in 2013 so they want ready-made fringe players to call on as temporary fill-ins. I'm not saying that's the way it should be and I can't believe Whitey is still around after 7 years to play mostly at Coburg again either but that's how he's surviving IMO. This time around he only 'just' survived along with McGuane :help :scream and Derickx. Hard to see those names not being at the top of the cutting list in 12 months time.
the club hardly acknowledges list deficiencies. craig cameron certainly does not.
we are not talking 18 yr olds here we are talking mature recruits both afl and state league.
we are 4 talls short on the list including ruckmen. in fact we are we are screaming out for a ruckman.
we are are at a minimum 4 mids short yet none of this is acknowledged. we are looking at petterd another med forward they certainly acknowledge the weakness in this area. in fact its been over kill petterd if we rookie him edwards, knights who is to play also as a mid, to go with nahas, king, s edwards and likely martin will again spend significant time forward. now add white and tell me from a list perspective we needed to keep white.
pick 60 plus would enable us to take kyle martin a mature mid, or jack hannath or cameron symonds both ruckmen of promise. oth 20 and 21. it would enable us to take a tall player like hartigan or even allow us to take a tall at 43 and another mid at 60 plus.the options are nendless and the opportunity to actually attempt to fill a hole is huge yet we go again with a known hack.
fair dinkum id give another forward in duffy a 20/21 yr old a go in front of white he actually as far as filling up a hole and attending to age gaps is a good fit.
other options we had.
well we all including the club are crying about the lack of mids yet we dont even put in an offer for the best performed mid in f/a in moloney. bloody hell moloney for two yrs or white or jackson for that matter.
if they cant find a better player than white at 60 ot in the psd or f/a or even rookie they should give up.
tell me will he play in front of is it it even remotely likely he will play in front of king nahas, knights, edwards, edwards, even ohanlon possibly petterd and martin. not on your life. depth pppfffffttt.hes the worst of a poor lot and hes had 7 yrs to show hes worth a spot and failed abysmally.
they have it wrong.
I'm not defending the decision to not delist Whitey. As you've argued Claw there is no reason for keeping him on our list based on what he offers judging him alone. However the Club doesn't just judge players that way. They look at a whole swag of footballers (RFC players, opposition players, state leaguers and U18s kids) and they give each of them a score out of 1000 based on a variety of KPIs and criterias (with a score of 500 being the average AFL player). They then compare these players based on where they are available as far our draft picks and trades. So they'll have a draft order list with all the U18s and potential state leaguers they are interested in in order from best to also-ran and then in say Whitey's case they would've compared the score of U18 kid/state leaguer's at our pick 60 (or whatever our pick after pick 43 would've been) on their list with Whitey's score. If the latter is greater than the former then Whitey stays which appears what has happened.
Now rather than us just saying Whitey is a list clogging spud who our 38th (ie. last) senior-listed player, the real question needed to be answered by the Club is why the KPIs and criteria used for the rankings rate higher an existing fringe player who hasn't come on after a whole 7 years and offers sub-AFL standard football than a U18 kid or state leaguer? Effectively the answer given by the Club with their decision to keep Whitey is they don't rate anybody via their score rankings at that late pick stage or later (including in rookie draft). That would fit in with the Club looking at delisted AFL players as mentioned today. It seems the Club is not going to take the 'risk' of trying to find a gem in the rough late in the National draft or in the rookie draft this year. Some would argue to the Club that a low percentage 'unknown' is still better than keeping hold onto a zero percentage known like Whitey. Obviously the Club disagrees with that view.
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Surely some of these kids/state league players could improve massively if they were in the system for a few years let alone 7. Wonder what ranking a 17 year old greg white would have had
Bed time. yes
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Surely some of these kids/state league players could improve massively if they were in the system for a few years let alone 7. Wonder what ranking a 17 year old greg white would have had
Yep there's always at least one rookie each year who proves all the clubs who overlooked him wrong.
Bed time. yes
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Bed time. yes
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That's not the rag the Coach uses.
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There always appears to be enough others with their head on the chopping block first that by the time the Club gets to Whitey they do their "mark out of 1000" ranking they determine that despite his deficiencies he's still better as a senior listed player than the 'unknown' kids selected at say pick 60 in the draft with deficiencies of their own. He has no trade value either so the Club can't swap him for something worthwhile.
yep, i think you are the money there MT
It would've also helped him that the Club thinks it is locked and loaded :-\ for finals in 2013 so they want ready-made fringe players to call on as temporary fill-ins. I'm not saying that's the way it should be and I can't believe Whitey is still around after 7 years to play mostly at Coburg again either but that's how he's surviving IMO. This time around he only 'just' survived along with McGuane :help :scream and Derickx. Hard to see those names not being at the top of the cutting list in 12 months time.
again have to agree, except for the "locked and loaded" Where the hell did you pull that crap from?
The quote you posted in another thread from Dimma harldy seems to be implying the club thinks it is locked and loaded
It wasn't meant to be a direct quote from anyone at the Club. More an expression on my part to describe the Club's view that we're past the list development stage and it's now time we finally made the finals. I mean the Club was targeting finals this year even though I believed at the start of the season we wouldn't make it as we were too young, inexperienced and had poor depth. While Dimma is right to say finals isn't a right of passage, we have the likes of Craig Cameron talking about making the finals next year and there being no excuses. Dimma was just trying to keep the lid on the expectations of supporters.
Oh they expect finals, CC made a quote several weeks ago about getting the coaching staff away from the club for a break to freshen up as they expect them to be here well into september next year. :shh
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i would stuffing hope they expect finals.
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CC seems to be calling all the shots for quite some time now.How do people here generally rate his performance?..i guess the jury is out still.
I must admit when i really first noticed him during the terry wallace departure i was less than enthusiastic with him,although that was partly because of what i thought was a very ordinary performance in front of the camera....
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Whose Matty Whites dad?
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CC seems to be calling all the shots for quite some time now.How do people here generally rate his performance?..i guess the jury is out still.
I must admit when i really first noticed him during the terry wallace departure i was less than enthusiastic with him,although that was partly because of what i thought was a very ordinary performance in front of the camera....
Yep, was quite a performance through that whole period.
The Football Head who didn't know about the rift between players and the coach.
When it did blow up in his face with all the media reports he seemed to stand back and hold March's coat while HE read the riot act to the players.
Thinking about the Edwards trade from a List Manager perspective he should have said to Hardwick
"You wanted a big defender - we got in Chaplin.
You wanted a mature medium forward - we got in Knights.
But, we are not going to compromise our list to get a 29 year old medium forward who has behaviour problems and can't get a regular game at his current club.
This is particluarly true when we don't know who is going to be available in Delisted Free Agency or Pre-season Draft and you want to keep White and Derickx ."
His job as Football Head and List Manager is to safeguard the long term future of the club against any short term temptations of the staff.
Add the medical risks of Riewoldt, Vickery, Maric, Foley and McGuane and there's some real questions raised.
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VIDEO: Matty White tells us about his pre-season and how the new fitness staff are already having an impact ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/503439/default.aspx
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i would stuffing hope they expect finals.
absolutely, and hopefully we wont have fans getting cute telling us that the club didnt actually 'say' they expected finals if things go pear shaped
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i would stuffing hope they expect finals.
absolutely, and hopefully we wont have fans getting cute telling us that the club didnt actually 'say' they expected finals if things go pear shaped
Club has failed their own plan. They wanted finals last season so they most definitely expect it next year. Hardwick will remain in 2014 regardless of results due to his contract that was given to him very early in 2012....:outtahere Let's just hope we play finals otherwise the circus returns in 2013. By stuff this gonna be fun either way ;D
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I'm not defending the decision to not delist Whitey. As you've argued Claw there is no reason for keeping him on our list based on what he offers judging him alone. However the Club doesn't just judge players that way. They look at a whole swag of footballers (RFC players, opposition players, state leaguers and U18s kids) and they give each of them a score out of 1000 based on a variety of KPIs and criterias (with a score of 500 being the average AFL player). They then compare these players based on where they are available as far our draft picks and trades. So they'll have a draft order list with all the U18s and potential state leaguers they are interested in in order from best to also-ran and then in say Whitey's case they would've compared the score of U18 kid/state leaguer's at our pick 60 (or whatever our pick after pick 43 would've been) on their list with Whitey's score. If the latter is greater than the former then Whitey stays which appears what has happened.
Now rather than us just saying Whitey is a list clogging spud who our 38th (ie. last) senior-listed player, the real question needed to be answered by the Club is why the KPIs and criteria used for the rankings rate higher an existing fringe player who hasn't come on after a whole 7 years and offers sub-AFL standard football than a U18 kid or state leaguer? Effectively the answer given by the Club with their decision to keep Whitey is they don't rate anybody via their score rankings at that late pick stage or later (including in rookie draft). That would fit in with the Club looking at delisted AFL players as mentioned today. It seems the Club is not going to take the 'risk' of trying to find a gem in the rough late in the National draft or in the rookie draft this year. Some would argue to the Club that a low percentage 'unknown' is still better than keeping hold onto a zero percentage known like Whitey. Obviously the Club disagrees with that view.
thats a very good post mt. one of some very good ones you have done on this topic.
while im reluctant to criticise them going thru a good process and what you describe is a very good process and we have failed to have any sort of process for 30 yrs in this area, but surely we have to be flexable at times and go outside the process.
its a damn good question you ask.
why is the KPIS and criteria/processes that are used for the rankings, rate higher an existing fringe player who hasnt come on after a whole 7 yrs. the obvious answer is the process is not perfect and has some flaws. they need to acknowledge this and on the odd occasion step outside the process or we will continue to have more than our fair share of matt whites in our system for 7 plus yrs.if they cant step outsside their system perhaps somehow continuing to improve it and modifying it is the way to go. one thing that seems a regular occurance with us is the number of very ordinary players who last 75 or 7 yrs sometimes longer in or system.
it concerns me greatly that we are so rigid and inflexable when it comes to player types like matt white. there has to be something wrong with the process if they cant find and target a better player who scores higher in their process weather that be nd, rookie draft or f/a than matt white.
i have to ask at what point do you perhaps say. hey we have had this bloke 7 yrs for very little return, perhaps its time to take a chance on a kid or perhaps take an older very short term proven player like moloney or try a state league player with the right skillset and physical attribetes who hhas performed consistently well in his league. instead of going with what they must know is a below standard player despite their criteria.
footy like most things in life has its fair share of grey areas. the more black and white we can keep things the better but its not always possible to do so.
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I'm not defending the decision to not delist Whitey. As you've argued Claw there is no reason for keeping him on our list based on what he offers judging him alone. However the Club doesn't just judge players that way. They look at a whole swag of footballers (RFC players, opposition players, state leaguers and U18s kids) and they give each of them a score out of 1000 based on a variety of KPIs and criterias (with a score of 500 being the average AFL player). They then compare these players based on where they are available as far our draft picks and trades. So they'll have a draft order list with all the U18s and potential state leaguers they are interested in in order from best to also-ran and then in say Whitey's case they would've compared the score of U18 kid/state leaguer's at our pick 60 (or whatever our pick after pick 43 would've been) on their list with Whitey's score. If the latter is greater than the former then Whitey stays which appears what has happened.
Now rather than us just saying Whitey is a list clogging spud who our 38th (ie. last) senior-listed player, the real question needed to be answered by the Club is why the KPIs and criteria used for the rankings rate higher an existing fringe player who hasn't come on after a whole 7 years and offers sub-AFL standard football than a U18 kid or state leaguer? Effectively the answer given by the Club with their decision to keep Whitey is they don't rate anybody via their score rankings at that late pick stage or later (including in rookie draft). That would fit in with the Club looking at delisted AFL players as mentioned today. It seems the Club is not going to take the 'risk' of trying to find a gem in the rough late in the National draft or in the rookie draft this year. Some would argue to the Club that a low percentage 'unknown' is still better than keeping hold onto a zero percentage known like Whitey. Obviously the Club disagrees with that view.
thats a very good post mt. one of some very good ones you have done on this topic.
while im reluctant to criticise them going thru a good process and what you describe is a very good process and we have failed to have any sort of process for 30 yrs in this area, but surely we have to be flexable at times and go outside the process.
its a damn good question you ask.
why is the KPIS and criteria/processes that are used for the rankings, rate higher an existing fringe player who hasnt come on after a whole 7 yrs. the obvious answer is the process is not perfect and has some flaws. they need to acknowledge this and on the odd occasion step outside the process or we will continue to have more than our fair share of matt whites in our system for 7 plus yrs.if they cant step outsside their system perhaps somehow continuing to improve it and modifying it is the way to go. one thing that seems a regular occurance with us is the number of very ordinary players who last 75 or 7 yrs sometimes longer in or system.
it concerns me greatly that we are so rigid and inflexable when it comes to player types like matt white. there has to be something wrong with the process if they cant find and target a better player who scores higher in their process weather that be nd, rookie draft or f/a than matt white.
i have to ask at what point do you perhaps say. hey we have had this bloke 7 yrs for very little return, perhaps its time to take a chance on a kid or perhaps take an older very short term proven player like moloney or try a state league player with the right skillset and physical attribetes who hhas performed consistently well in his league. instead of going with what they must know is a below standard player despite their criteria.
footy like most things in life has its fair share of grey areas. the more black and white we can keep things the better but its not always possible to do so.
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I agree Claw the system use is flawed when it comes to fringe players remaining on our list for 7-9 years. It only feels like 75 years ;D. There's an old timeframe rule where if a player depending on his size/type hasn't cemented himself in the team's 22 then it's time to 'cut'. So a small (sub 6ft) like Whitey may have a limit of 4 years max. to come on, midsize mid 5 years. tall 6 years and a ruck 7 years (apart from the freaks, ruckmen don't reach their pick until their mid 20s.).
The other issue which I forgot to mention in my previous post and which the Club would use as an excuse, is that National draft draftees compulsorily receive a 2-year deal while Whitey has been given a one-year new contract. The Club would argue this gives it greater flexibility next year as far as cutting back the list and then recruiting new players most likely replacing a Whitey with a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2013. My response to that is that list management isn't a year to year proposition and the Club would've/should've been doing list planning over a couple of seasons so that if Whitey had been delisted last year then the kid who would've replaced him would now have just a year left on his contract now. Holding onto Whitey for another year last year has compounded the flaw which sees him now been given a one-year deal for 2013 because we don't want to give an unknown U18 kid or state leaguer a two year deal.
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White still around goes to show how far back we're coming from. He only came in after injuries last year and so would have any late pick or state league player and neither would be likely play next year. I'm not making any excuses for White or the club but it's so easily justified why he got one more year (so we don't have to cut a better player next year and we can replace him with a first three draft pick who is more likely than a punt this year that we'll also be stuck with for two years) I'm not sure what all the hoo haa is about.
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White up for the fight
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
3:46 PM Wed 14 Nov, 2012
Speedy Richmond utility Matthew White is determined to nail a permanent place in the Tigers’ line-in 2013, following a frustrating season this year.
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“I never wanted to leave, and I never looked like leaving, so I’m glad they gave me the opportunity,” White told “Roar Vision”.
“I’ve just got to get a few games next year now and, hopefully, get another contract at the end of the year.”
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“It (pre-season) has been a bit of a different one for me, coming back through rehab., still taking a bit of care with the hamstring tendon,” he said.
“I’m actually running at the moment, I just don’t have any top-end speed. So, I run and then come back here (to the Club) for cross-training and boxing.
“I’m not quite there . . . probably about a week away (from joining in full training).”
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151099/default.aspx
VIDEO: Matty White talks about the pre-season ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151099/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
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Payed very well yesterday, was in everything, well done!
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Payed very well yesterday, was in everything, well done!
Agree and when it comes to shots at goal he kicks straight :clapping
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Wouldn't stick him anywhere near the 22 for now, but I thought he played well yesterday too. I also thought he played well in that final game against Port last year too before he went off injured. Obviously playing for his career and can competently cover an injured player here or there.
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Clear to me why he was not delisted. Too much ticker.
If you watch coburg from last year he was regular bog for our 2s
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A possible captain of our VFL side next year?
:thumbsup
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VC. Whacko for Captain ;D
Greg lacks class and loves a brain fart just like Lukey and Whacko, but they all have ticker and that's why they are on the list ahead of peahearts like Webberley, Post and Gus.
Having said that, you'd be hard pressed to find another side with 3 senior players worse than them.
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Greg lacks class and loves a brain fart just like Lukey and Whacko, but they all have ticker and that's why they are on the list ahead of peahearts like Webberley, Post and Gus.
Spot on Gerks.
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VIDEO: Whitey interview post the Essendon game:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-03-04/white-post-preseason-round-2
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good vfl player that's it
not in our best $0
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White off and running
By richmondfc.com.au
Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Richmond speedster Matt White is hoping the flying start he produced at Wangaratta last Saturday evening, will be the catalyst for bigger and better things from him in season 2013.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-03-05/white-off-and-running
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Clear to me why he was not delisted. Too much ticker.
If you watch coburg from last year he was regular bog for our 2s
pity we can't transplant it in a couple of others
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VIDEO: Whitey's goal from 50 out ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-03/round-10-white-from-50
Credit where it is due. Last night was arguably his best game for the Tigers; especially that first half.
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It's probably been his best season.
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VIDEO: Whitey's goal from 50 out ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-03/round-10-white-from-50
Credit where it is due. Last night was arguably his best game for the Tigers; especially that first half.
Agree. He loves playing on the big grounds and plays well on them. Listening to Wallace on radio after he kicked the first goal said that the reason White is always a sub is because he does not have the football smarts but he then went on to state that White was a supreme endurance athlete
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Trade him to West Coast or Freo?
:outtahere
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Clear to me why he was not delisted. Too much ticker.
If you watch coburg from last year he was regular bog for our 2s
pity we can't transplant it in a couple of others
If everyone cared for the jumper as much as Morris we would have no problems.
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Da fuq does Morris have to do with anything? :lol
Your a weird man Bents
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white and morris both have ticker and play for the jumper
yes i am odd 8)
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White’s night at Patersons Stadium
By richmondfc.com.au
Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Richmond speedster Matt White hopes to become to known as an “everywhere specialist” after another standout performance at Patersons Stadium had him described as a specialist at that venue.
Starting just his second game of the season without the green substitute vest, the 26-year-old was hoping to continue to string games together and become a consistent AFL player.
“From what I’ve been told I am, I don’t want to be (just a Patersons Stadium specialist) anymore, I want to be an everywhere specialist,” White said of the tag.
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-05/whites-night-at-patersons-stadium
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Will be sub this week
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Will be sub this week
Not if Kingy's out.
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Will be sub this week
Hope not. Whites willingness to take the game on was a shining beacon of hope when you think about the week before backwards sideways rubbish.
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Will be sub this week
Hope not. Whites willingness to take the game on was a shining beacon of hope when you think about the week before backwards sideways rubbish.
I think he'll get a full game and Ellis will sub if he plays.
Can't see him playing as sub after being so influential in the game.
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I really think this boy has stepped up a peg this year.In my opinion he is now good enough to get picked in the 18,although as an impact player he really does make a difference when he comes on.
For many years he has languished thereabouts ,but to his credit has worked his butt off to improve his game...well done whitey
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came on and did his job again, well done whitey
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Does make an impact when comes on. Well done to him. Deserves credit.
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Marc Murphy haircut :chuck
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Will be the sub until injuries occur
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Fast, fit and hungry = good for a sub
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Will be sub this week
Hope not. Whites willingness to take the game on was a shining beacon of hope when you think about the week before backwards sideways rubbish.
I think he'll get a full game and Ellis will sub if he plays.
Can't see him playing as sub after being so influential in the game.
I was wrong, but am glad for him to be the sub. keep up the good work :thumbsup
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Has pace to burn. Late in games as a sub he just trots past tiring players and uses the ball well.
Has become a real super sub.
Could kick four or five from half way through the third with tiring bodies around him as the sub.
Has great pace and endurance for those cameo type of roles. :thumbsup
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May just be a purple patch but he oddly seems to be classier than in years gone by. Skills and decision making have impressed.
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agree . Should be in the team ahead of foley
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pace is still his only genuine asset
disposal is no better, both hand and foot, runs himself into trouble, doesn't get enough of it, nancy haircut
does kick the odd goal though and his name is greg :thumbsup
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disposal is no better, both hand and foot, runs himself into trouble, doesn't get enough of it, nancy haircut
I disagree. Skills look good to me so far this year.
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I think his skills look the same as the rest of his career TBH, effectiveness somewhere in the 60s, I'd be surprised if it's not, and when you only get the pill about 10 times, play predominantly as an outside runner, he needs to be cleaner. Looks that way to me anyway, maybe he's going better.
Has played some good minutes though, enjoyed his West Coast game
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Thought his Freo game as good too.
Consistency has been his main problem or lack of it.
Playing as a sub he has been able to maximise his effectiveness without falling away or going missing for large chunks of games as he has generally during his career as matches wear on.
Still remember how he sprinted off after his goal in the record breaking loss to Geelong in 2007.
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Kicked the match winning goal vs feel
From an impossible angle.
Only to get screwed from umpire.
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Supersub!
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if matty is to keep being super sub,at some point he needs to play a full game somewhere
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As per many others whom commented above me, I dig the pace he brings to the side when brought in late in the match. Although seing as he's 26, would he need to produce a stand out match winning performance (ala Tom Mitchell with 18 disposals despite coming on as a sub) or risk getting delisted?
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if matty is to keep being super sub,at some point he needs to play a full game somewhere
Coburg
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Supersub!
X2 - Pace!! Whitey had 12 touches last week.
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Witty had 12 touches in 40 minutes of footy, absolutely should start on the ground
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Witty the comedian :clapping
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VIDEO: Matty White interviewed after the game ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-07-07/round-15-white-post-match
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VIDEO: Matty White interviewed after the game ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-07-07/round-15-white-post-match
“I had a tough job trying to run around with ‘Boomer’ (Brent Harvey) at stages, but I was able to hit the scoreboard a couple of times, which was nice,” White said.
“It was a bit different for me playing almost three and a half quarters, compared to a quarter and a half, so my body’s definitely sore, but I’m looking forward to next week up in Cairns.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-08/beware-the-wounded-tiger
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Whitey is rated the 7th most effective substitute in the AFL according to Champion Data. He's been used as the sub, prior to today, 10 times this year.
THE MOST EFFECTIVE SUBS
M TOG Disp Disp/100 mins
Jonathan Simpkin (Haw) 4 40.30 11.2 28.3
Jason Porplyzia (Ade) 5 38.34 11 27.6
Ben Kennedy (Coll) 5 31.36 7.2 22.3
Luke Russell (GC) 4 50.28 11.0 21.7
Kane Mitchell (Port) 6 43.05 9.3 21.7
Daniel Giansiracusa (WB) 4 53.00 12.2 21.6
Matthew White (Rich) 7 47.07 9.1 19.8
*Statistical analysis of the players Champion Data ranks as the most effective substitutes this season. Minimum four games as sub for qualification.
MOST GAMES STARTING AS SUB SINCE 2011
Shane Savage (Haw) 12
Nathan Lovett-Murray (Ess) 11
Luke Russell (GC) 10
Matt White (Rich) 10
Luke Parker (Syd) 9
Jamie Cripps (WC) 9
Andrejs Everitt (Syd) 9
Allen Christensen (Gee) 9
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-sub-plot-20130712-2pvi4.html#ixzz2YqRKg0g2
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Matty White plays his 100th game this weekend.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1739&SeasonID=ALL
VIDEO: White's best goals ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-07-16/matt-whites-best-goals
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Good work, Greg :thumbsup
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Yes well done Matty..looks like you will be in then.. ;D
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Another Father/Son selection......................tick.
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Another Father/Son selection......................tick.
What?
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work it out genius
any whitey offspring are now ours
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Thought he was gone this year. Has fought his way back into the side and managed to hold his spot. Well done to him.
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I'm super peeed off ray halls kid is a gun :banghead
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Richmond's White reaches AFL ton
Melissa Woods
AAP
July 16, 2013, 8:30 pm
Richmond super-sub Matt White will mark a milestone against Fremantle on Sunday which not long ago he thought was out of reach.
The lifelong Tigers fan will play his 100th AFL game against the Dockers at the MCG, seven years after making his senior debut.
Last year the midfielder managed only seven senior matches.
But he has blossomed - predominantly in the sub's role - in 2013, playing 10 senior games including the last eight in succession.
The former champion cross-country runner's speed and endurance make him ideally suited to impacting matches when opponents are tiring in the closing stages.
"Coming from a Richmond family I'm pretty happy to be playing 100 games," the 26-year-old said on Tuesday.
"For a while there it didn't look like I was going to get there and a lot of hard work over the last 18 months cemented a spot in there so it's nice to be getting to that milestone."
White said a stint with Richmond's VFL affiliate Coburg last season had reignited his love of the game.
"It brought me back into the midfield and I was able to run my own race down there and it gave me a lot of confidence to play the way I've been playing with a lot of run and carry and shots from outside 50."
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/18021642/richmonds-white-reaches-afl-ton/
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only at richmond does such ordinary players last not 7 yrs but 8 earn long service leave and play 100 games. still cant believe we continue to put games into such limited players.
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I'm super peeed off ray halls kid is a gun :banghead
Let it go Bents.....let it go....
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After watching his best goals video, I have really been made aware of how much passion he has for the club, clutching the jumper after most of them. Love it.
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I'm super peeed off ray halls kid is a gun :banghead
Did he play any preseason games we can count as part of his total games for Richmond?
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Congrats Matt White on 100 games for RFC.
Clubman 1st and foremost. :clapping
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Well deserved Matty, look forward to your next 100 games.
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Congrats Matt White on 100 games for RFC.
Clubman 1st and foremost. :clapping
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:clapping :clapping
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Good work, Greg :thumbsup
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Liking Matty Whites football at the moment........
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The interesting one there is Andrejs Everitt.
A genuine tall in the list of most times as sub.
I wonder if he replaced another tall or a mid sized player when he came on?
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Playing very well at the moment.
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VIDEO: Whitey's long running goal from the 2nd quarter ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-08-10/round-20-the-white-stuff
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He ignites our side when we need it - week in, week out.
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Having some kind of season with jacko and rance :thumbsup
This kid bleeds yellow and black :cheers
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Greg :cheers
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9. Matty White.
I ran in to assistant coach Mark Williams at Punt Rd after the game and after brief pleasantries, the subject got to White. Posted on Twitter earlier that day that White might be the most improved player at the Tigers. Some agreed. Some didn't. Daniel Jackson, Brandon Ellis and Shane Edwards were offered. Still, there's an argument for White. He has become a more consistent line-breaker and some of his explosive running against the Lions reminded me of Adam Cooney in full flight. White won't win a Brownlow Medal, but he will hurt opposition teams because of his quick transition. Had the second-most inside 50s (six) behind Cotchin (seven).
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-essendon-rejects-afl-demands-as-drug-saga-reaches-its-climax/story-fndv7pj3-1226695118390
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Love Whitey's determination and speed.
Defiantly improved over the last 6 weeks, playing with more confidence
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Has gone from a 18-25 depth player to a decent starting 18 player. Well done to White for never giving up, working hard and earning a spot :cheers
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Really happy for him. Gone from Coburg regular to Richmond fill in player to permanent sub to now important member of the team.
Great advertisement for the value of hard work and a good attitude.
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if this bloke is an important member of the team we are still in strife.
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On the contrary, blokes like Whitey are stepping up when our top shelf have their fingers in their bums and getting worked over. Several times over the past few weeks where White has single handedly hurt the opposition with his pace. Wins the footy, wins the foot race, and if he doesn't kick it himself he gives it to someone who does.
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Love Whitey's determination and speed.
Defiantly improved over the last 6 weeks, playing with more confidence
Well said, it's not just his pace, his manic determination to make a contest out of nearly everything is causing havoc with the opposition trying to move the ball.
When Jakey is back there will be no cheap kicks on the hbf against us! :gotigers
He also punches above his weight overhead, his marking and spoiling have been great for a midget :clapping
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if this bloke is an important member of the team we are still in strife.
Agree
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if this bloke is an important member of the team we are still in strife.
We missed Whitey's pace and linebreaking last week. He's clearly given a licence to take the opposition on with is pace and be that 80m ballcarrier (run 25 + kick 55).
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Has done well this year. I thought he might get delisted last season.
Has proved us wrong. Bleeds yellow and black as a lifelong supporter. Has mad himself essential IMO.
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Better than Folio myelitis
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Always believed in Whitey
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I think matt White is going great. What ever he has done he is doing vvvvv well. We really missed his speed against carlton and his delivery was very good yesterday. Where has he been hiding??
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his delivery was good yesterday, surprisingly.
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Whitey is quickly rocketing up my favourite player list
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I think matt White is going great. What ever he has done he is doing vvvvv well. We really missed his speed against carlton and his delivery was very good yesterday. Where has he been hiding??
Like Jacko has hit the sweet spot between getting his decision making right and playing within his limitations.
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glass half full types :banghead
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Fast white guy :clapping
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glass half full types :banghead
Hahaha.
I know that aint me. :lol
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Has become important, last week against the Cheats is a classic example.
We were shown up for pace. White just provides some extra zip in fits and spurts and that has helped us heaps of times this year. Has found his niche and is playing within the parameters of this.
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On the contrary, blokes like Whitey are stepping up when our top shelf have their fingers in their bums and getting worked over. Several times over the past few weeks where White has single handedly hurt the opposition with his pace. Wins the footy, wins the foot race, and if he doesn't kick it himself he gives it to someone who does.
no doubt hes improved. but lets just say im scarred for life by players like white and i question with good cause if they can maintain it.
imo hes at a level where he needs to be he cannot drop off he must learn to maintain the level on a consistent basis and he needs to do it when real pressure is on.
imo the biggest improvent has come from him not panicking as much as normal and hes looking to buy more time ride a tackle etc. hence he makes better decisions and uses a bit better. i reckon wacko jacko is the same.
still you see parts of their games and you just cringe at times. still think his kicking for a small player very average.and the brain fades are there.
stil think he needs to find a lot more ball as well against boys he had more than 20 possesions for the first time this yr. hes going at about 12 possesions a game not enough for a mid.
anyway yes he has improved a bit in recent times and at times hes provided a bit of a spark with his pace. still i prefer we look for an upgrade
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stil think he needs to find a lot more ball as well against boys he had more than 20 possesions for the first time this yr. hes going at about 12 possesions a game not enough for a mid.
I think that would be dragged down a bit by all those games as sub, not sure how many full games he has played.
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Not sure how many full games some have watched
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stil think he needs to find a lot more ball as well against boys he had more than 20 possesions for the first time this yr. hes going at about 12 possesions a game not enough for a mid.
I think that would be dragged down a bit by all those games as sub, not sure how many full games he has played.
You can also throw in the fact he's played more as a defensive HF than mid ;D
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stil think he needs to find a lot more ball as well against boys he had more than 20 possesions for the first time this yr. hes going at about 12 possesions a game not enough for a mid.
I think that would be dragged down a bit by all those games as sub, not sure how many full games he has played.
good call chuck - thing is regardless of touches, White has been having an impact in almost every game he plays
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Tell you what I have had to reassess Whitey, had him written off at the end of this year
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Not sure how many full games some have watched
It's not as bad as the Gardener situation
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Doc Larkins said Whitey is pretty upbeat and doesn't believe there's a tear in his hammy. We'll see how he is midweek but, given Matty is a speedster, it's more likely he'll be hoping we win next week and he'll be back in the second week of the finals.
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“To miss out on the (Club’s) first final in 12 years . . . I still haven’t played a finals series as an AFL player," White told ‘Roar Vision’.
“I was gutted with the way it all ended and gutted that I didn’t play, so I’ll be fighting pretty hard to get there next year.
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-12/white-agony
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Matty White would have to be one of the most improved this year. Most of the time when he played, we looked better. In the 1st elimination final, not having his run and carry did hurt us...not that he would have been the difference between winning and losing, for we will never know, but he was a loss.
Go for it again next year matty. Well played this year.
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rumour is port adelaide have offered him a three yr contract and melbourne have offered him two yrs.
personally id be happy to let him go. these comments are from a couple of posters on another site and i concur wholly.
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l would keep White. his just starting to show how good he was as a 18 year old. l like him ;D
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Who? Should offer Greg 2 years.
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matty white made huge inroads this season.I think he has finally understood that you dont have to be a bull at a gate to play this game but rather if you use your noggin a bit you can become very effective ,which is what he has become
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would like to keep, but not if we have to pay overs
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I wouldn't be devasted if we lost him but I would certainly be disappointed. Massively improved this year and on latest form is a first 22 selection. I agree, wouldn't throw three years at him, but if two years was what it meant to keep him then so be it. Losing White won't upgrade the list, replacing some further at the bottom with trades/free agents/draftees with all intentions of going past blokes like White will.
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Whites absence is probably the reason we lost to Carlton twice in a month. Let go of him if you are dumb
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Rumour has it that no club is in to Greg.
But fantasise away...
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In my opinion we sign him to a long term deal with incentives for finals, norm smith that kinda thing. That should hold the likes of melb at bay :lol...he s just had a breakout year and like whoa, he is damned quick . Personally keep ahead of Edwards
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Still need his pace, I remember a couple of times off half back this year, no one could catch him! A great weapon up our sleeve.
:thumbsup
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Norm Smith LMAO you bad old troll BJ
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Wouldn't let him go. And he won't want to go. Will stay for less money for sure. Tiger supporter all his life.
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Think about the pricks who played as sub this year. Nahas for example. Sooked. Didn't like the green vest the same way Yaran felt.
Look at Whitey. Gets the green vest and decides to make something of his opportunity. Showed he can contribute well.
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rumour is port adelaide have offered him a three yr contract and melbourne have offered him two yrs.
personally id be happy to let him go. these comments are from a couple of posters on another site and i concur wholly.
. no way should we offer this bloke more than 1 yr with say a second triggered if kpis are met.
his assets do add to the team but he should easoily be replaced if our recruiters are any good.
and from another poster
look at his whole career not just his last 16weeks. to base the next 3 yrs on that is madness.
Claw if you've posted quotes directly from other sites you must post the link or we will have to remove them
Thanks
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1 year only. Edwards had a good "breakout" season last year, Tyrone had a "breakout" year 2011 (bit of a different scenario). Players have good years then go back to crap so now way does he deserve 2 let alone 3 :lol
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Junk post.
100% no chance White will leave Richmond the guy worships the place as does his family, no chance.
No chance he'll move interstate, no chance he'll go to a rubbish club after putting up with playing for us as a bottom 4 club.. Absolutely no chance of him leaving unless we let him go.
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he should be playing for minimum wage and on 1 year deals IMHO.
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Have not seen or heard any evidence to suggest he wants to leave us or that the club don't require his services
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;D ;D ;D
SOme gold here too
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RFC need to look at opportunities to move itself into the top 4 and sadly White might be one of them that departs
You lot want to keep everyone which will get you elimination final losses as seen this year
I want a flag
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Junk post.
100% no chance White will leave Richmond the guy worships the place as does his family, no chance.
No chance he'll move interstate, no chance he'll go to a rubbish club after putting up with playing for us as a bottom 4 club.. Absolutely no chance of him leaving unless we let him go.
is this the same bloke that told his manager last year that he doesn't care where he is, as long as he is playing AFL?
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If this is true think about it, Hinkley and Roos aren't dumb, that is why they want him.
Matty is our quickest player. he delivered well by foot and his size is good so he can break lines. I would hate to see him go.
Tell me someone with his size and pace and improved footskills who is available to draft from another team?
and correctamundo, if we had White against carlton I reckon we would have had a better chance of winning.
Would be devastated, if Matt was traded.
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Junk post.
100% no chance White will leave Richmond the guy worships the place as does his family, no chance.
No chance he'll move interstate, no chance he'll go to a rubbish club after putting up with playing for us as a bottom 4 club.. Absolutely no chance of him leaving unless we let him go.
is this the same bloke that told his manager last year that he doesn't care where he is, as long as he is playing AFL?
Said he'd want to stay at Richmond but if there aren't offers from them he'd look around
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are you saying that he said that, rather than what I posted, or as well as?
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are you saying that he said that, rather than what I posted, or as well as?
As well as
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rumour is port adelaide have offered him a three yr contract and melbourne have offered him two yrs.
personally id be happy to let him go. these comments are from a couple of posters on another site and i concur wholly.
. no way should we offer this bloke more than 1 yr with say a second triggered if kpis are met.
his assets do add to the team but he should easoily be replaced if our recruiters are any good.
and from another poster
look at his whole career not just his last 16weeks. to base the next 3 yrs on that is madness.
Claw if you've posted quotes directly from other sites you must post the link or we will have to remove them
Thanks
sorry wp i have deleted the relavant parts. should have added carlton to the list of clubs supposedly into white.
true or false we would indeed be mad to offer this bloke more than 1 yr.
if we sign him for more we mayas well give mcguane and nahas another 3 yrs.
dont get it this bloke is still the same matt white with the same sort of weaknesses in his gamne he always has had.
i lol when i hear people talking about improveed kicking etc its a fallacy.
hee played what 16 games this yr. 9 or 10 of them would have been full games. the poor skills the missed easy chances the brain fades were all still there for people to see.
yet the side wins and these things magically dont exist anymore.
he came on as a sub provided run kicked the odd goal and got a few cheap possesions. i have to ask what sub doesnt in the main. 10 full games did he have a 20 possesion game at all.how many clangers per game across those 10 games how many easy missed chances gone begging.
we really want our players to be more than quick and prvide run. i dont get it we could easily upgrade on matt white and yet people will be demanding we give him an inordinate length contract.
hes one player we can hand a contract out based on the whole of his career and i can tell ya all one yr is generous.
id like a dollar for every richmond player who has given what is required yes they meet the minimum expected, only to revert back to type the next yr. my monies on white reverting bacjk to type and ya know why that is. because he doesnt tick enough basic boxes. you know he is incapeabel of sustaining any sort of proper afl level.
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Matty White weighing up a one year deal from Richmond vs. 3 year deal from another club.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-80#post-30340005
This fits in with the word going around that Whitey wants a two-year deal from us but we are offering just one year.
BF saying Port is the club with the three-year offer.
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home delivery dynamite does have one of the better strike rates with these things.
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Matty White is a massive Tiger fan (his whole family are) so cannot imagine him going anywhere unless we told him he wasn't required. Can't see that happening after his season this year.
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I suppose the biggest positvie regarding Matt is the fact Ralph Carr isn't his manager ;D
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How's his brother Greg going? ;D
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How's his brother Greg going? ;D
Don't think they speak anymore Greg is represented by Ralph :rollin
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Matty White weighing up a one year deal from Richmond vs. 3 year deal from another club.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-80#post-30340005
This fits in with the word going around that Whitey wants a two-year deal from us but we are offering just one year.
BF saying Port is the club with the three-year offer.
ah so old santa wasnt far off the mark about this rumour.
we would look ridiculous if we offered more than one yr based solely on whites yr this yr.
16 games just 10 of them full games, a role player with still the same short comings he has always had.
hes done enough to save himself from being delisted nothing more and good on him if push came to shove id cut him in the blink of an eye.
we have seen this often at richmond hevent we, below standard players have reasonable yr and then being given multiple yr contracts. to only see them then slip back into mediocrity because they dont have the tools to maintain a thing over a decent length of time.we then cop all and sundry bemoaning the fact said player is contracted and we cant cut em. ffs lets learn from our mistakes.
if he wants two yrs let him show next yr he can string two decent seasons together, sound fair to me. maybe then it would be warranterd offering him two yrs at the end of next yr.
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Matty White weighing up a one year deal from Richmond vs. 3 year deal from another club.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-80#post-30340005
This fits in with the word going around that Whitey wants a two-year deal from us but we are offering just one year.
BF saying Port is the club with the three-year offer.
ah so old santa wasnt far off the mark about this rumour.
we would look ridiculous if we offered more than one yr based solely on whites yr this yr.
16 games just 10 of them full games, a role player with still the same short comings he has always had.
hes done enough to save himself from being delisted nothing more and good on him if push came to shove id cut him in the blink of an eye.
we have seen this often at richmond hevent we, below standard players have reasonable yr and then being given multiple yr contracts. to only see them then slip back into mediocrity because they dont have the tools to maintain a thing over a decent length of time.we then cop all and sundry bemoaning the fact said player is contracted and we cant cut em. ffs lets learn from our mistakes.
if he wants two yrs let him show next yr he can string two decent seasons together, sound fair to me. maybe then it would be warranterd offering him two yrs at the end of next yr.
If we would look ridiculous offering 2 years, what does that make port and Hinkley?
As usual pretty extreme
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Matty White weighing up a one year deal from Richmond vs. 3 year deal from another club.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-80#post-30340005
This fits in with the word going around that Whitey wants a two-year deal from us but we are offering just one year.
BF saying Port is the club with the three-year offer.
ah so old santa wasnt far off the mark about this rumour.
we would look ridiculous if we offered more than one yr based solely on whites yr this yr.
16 games just 10 of them full games, a role player with still the same short comings he has always had.
hes done enough to save himself from being delisted nothing more and good on him if push came to shove id cut him in the blink of an eye.
we have seen this often at richmond hevent we, below standard players have reasonable yr and then being given multiple yr contracts. to only see them then slip back into mediocrity because they dont have the tools to maintain a thing over a decent length of time.we then cop all and sundry bemoaning the fact said player is contracted and we cant cut em. ffs lets learn from our mistakes.
if he wants two yrs let him show next yr he can string two decent seasons together, sound fair to me. maybe then it would be warranterd offering him two yrs at the end of next yr.
If we would look ridiculous offering 2 years, what does that make port and Hinkley?
As usual pretty extreme
extreme no. common sense yes. what does it make hinkley and port ill informed or short sightyed or both id say.
white is at richmond we should know what he can and cant do.
sometimes you have to take a blokes career as a whole when offering a contract. based on his whole 8 or 9 yr career to date he is a one yr player.
if we wish to take what his half a good yr this yr in isolation he would probably just earn two. ffs hes 27 at the start of next yr. his skills are at best average and his over all performances have been barely good enough for us to keep him. hes a role player and average one at that you dont offer em 3 yr deals so id say port have got there assesment wrong somewhere.
id say common sense says he needs to show he can perform at the level consistently and over a decent period. ffs he was a sub for so many games for a reason.for us one yr deal is the right way to go if he can for the only time in his entire career string 2 seasons together then yes at the end of next yr give him the two yr contract. lets for once see if a player hasnt had a fluke of a period.
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Id back Hinkley and ports view over yours
just sayin
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Mail is Kochie has just had some flames tattooed on his ankle :shh
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Matty White fit is our best sub option, at times a great starting 18 player. Not sure why he wouldn't get a year with a mutual option of a 2nd year. These types of players prove the point of player development and playing a team orientated role.
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Assertions that a player can't improve in his mid-20's is laughable.
Cheap player. Does his job. Contributes well.
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Someone better tell the swans to stop recruiting middle aged under valued fringe players in the hope of improving them into serviceable role players.
It won't work!
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Someone better tell the swans to stop recruiting middle aged under valued fringe players in the hope of improving them into serviceable role players.
It won't work!
Don't let facts get in the way of claw's theories!
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Claws problem is hes so black and white, it just doesn't work that way. 1 year with an option for a second if he meets KPI's is fair and reasonable.
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Matty White is a massive Tiger fan (his whole family are) so cannot imagine him going anywhere unless we told him he wasn't required. Can't see that happening after his season this year.
So when he finally has trade value - he's now non tradable ?
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Matty White is a massive Tiger fan (his whole family are) so cannot imagine him going anywhere unless we told him he wasn't required. Can't see that happening after his season this year.
So when he finally has trade value - he's now non tradable ?
Dont think ppl are saying that,
as hes a free agent, he can walk for nothing which would be a shame given he's finally shown some worth. Im sure if a suitable trade was put up most wouldn't baulk at it
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Id back Hinkley and ports view over yours
just sayin
thats fair enough.
me i dont back any of em in as they all get their fair share wrong.
some of us called for tamblings head for yrs when adelaide gave us their then compensation pick 25 ithink was you backing craig and adelaide in then too.
there are numerous cases of players being over rated by opposition clubs much to their chagrin in the end.
do you really think a battling 7 yr player whos struggled to stay on the list in that time should get a 3 yr contract based on a decent run in his 8th yr playing mostly as a sub.
that imo is madness.
hes earnt 1 yr and one yr only. everything about matt white screams one yr contract.
you know once again id back myself in over so called experts.
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Id back Hinkley and ports view over yours
just sayin
thats fair enough.
me i dont back any of em in as they all get their fair share wrong.
some of us called for tamblings head for yrs when adelaide gave us their then compensation pick 25 ithink was you backing craig and adelaide in then too.
there are numerous cases of players being over rated by opposition clubs much to their chagrin in the end.
do you really think a battling 7 yr player whos struggled to stay on the list in that time should get a 3 yr contract based on a decent run in his 8th yr playing mostly as a sub.
that imo is madness.
hes earnt 1 yr and one yr only. everything about matt white screams one yr contract.
you know once again id back myself in over so called experts.
As of 6pm Sunday 8th September 2013, everything "the claw" says makes sense to me :thumbsup
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Pity neither party has mentioned 3 year contract, only another club. Why so negative all the time?
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Pity neither party has mentioned 3 year contract, only another club. Why so negative all the time?
:thumbsup
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without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.
if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.
im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.
it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
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Matty White is a massive Tiger fan (his whole family are) so cannot imagine him going anywhere unless we told him he wasn't required. Can't see that happening after his season this year.
So when he finally has trade value - he's now non tradable ?
Not saying that at all Bents. I just cant see a) Matt White wanting to be traded and b) RFC wanting to trade him. That's more what I was getting at. :thumbsup
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without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.
if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.
im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.
it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
i've also asked openly how you expect to relace 8-10 players in one hit and have a decent chance of actually getting upgrades?
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Wallace says he has fielded a call to enquire about Matt White as a footballer, having coached him. Possibly an interstate club.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Claw, you have hated Whitey since his first game and now that you somehow know where he will playing footy next year you are sticking the knife in.
You are a disgrace and other disgraceful fools like you have made a hard working and loyal Tiger leave the club.
Whitey's acceptance of a new contract , albeit with another club, will make him a 10 year AFL player and given his new club's talent and ability, he will most likely play in a game that you have only dreamed of supporting for the past many years.
As a Tiger SUPPORTER, I will be sad when that happens, but I will be mightily proud of a young guy who has battled his way back into being a vital cog of our beloved club and I will happily like to watch you eat your words when it does.
Get a life Claw, you are a bloody disgrace as a so-called Tiger supporter.
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Not bad for a second post.
:lol
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:cheers
Not bad for a second post.
:lol
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You are a disgrace and other disgraceful fools like you have made a hard working and loyal Tiger leave the club.
Whitey's acceptance of a new contract , albeit with another club, will make him a 10 year AFL player and given his new club's talent and ability, he will most likely play in a game that you have only dreamed of supporting for the past many years.
So are you suggesting he is goneskis?
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Just walked in the door...has whitey left us???
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mightily proud.... ;D
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Just walked in the door...has whitey left us???
I'm just about to walk out the door and I want an answer ;D
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Don't forget the updates WP if you can
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Don't forget the updates WP if you can
No need the club is doing a podcast on the net
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Yes Bill.
Both clubs know where Whitey is playing next year.
You may well see him cry at his last Tiger function tonight.
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and where will that be?
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I'm lost..has matty left us?
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Yes Bill.
Both clubs know where Whitey is playing next year.
You may well see him cry at his last Tiger function tonight.
Hope your not Tiger71 who tells porky pies
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Yes Bill.
Both clubs know where Whitey is playing next year.
You may well see him cry at his last Tiger function tonight.
Hope your not Tiger71 who tells porky pies
I love Pork Pies and pork sausages Monk.
And Bill knows where I live, so I guess he knows I don't speak with forked tongue.
But don't be sad, you should be happy that your favourite dud is no longer a Tiger.
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Not bad for a second post.
:lol
not bad at all
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Shame to see Matt leave, a true RFC player.
Good luck Matt
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As a free agent do we get a compo pick for Whitey?
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I think we get a token something.
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It's a disgrace that the most improved player is a senior player who played a vital role throughout the year and was sorely missed during the last few games, especially in the finals.
How can a professional club let this kind of player just leave and become part of a serious rival that may well beat us in a final?
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I'm lost..has matty left us?
what he said
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Word is Whitey is gone Gigantor and daniel.
It's a disgrace that the most improved player is a senior player who played a vital role throughout the year and was sorely missed during the last few games, especially in the finals.
How can a professional club let this kind of player just leave and become part of a serious rival that may well beat us in a final?
Reportedly Port were offering 3 years at $300-350k. Presumably we weren't prepared to match that so that's why.
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I'm lost..has matty left us?
what he said
If you could read and write like a real adult, you would have been able to work it out.
You are just one of the knockers who have helped Whitey to make up his mind to leave Tigerland.
Be proud Daniel.
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Terrible club error
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Well I'll eat my words, shame they let him go if true was a good impact player.
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I'm lost..has matty left us?
what he said
If you could read and write like a real adult, you would have been able to work it out.
You are just one of the knockers who have helped Whitey to make up his mind to leave Tigerland.
Be proud Daniel.
Not meaning to speak for daniel but why would any player take any notice of anyone posting on the net?
ps. no need for the intro insult either to state your point, WT.
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ps. no need for the intro insult either to state your point, WT.
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Sorry One-eyed,
I find it difficult to cope with ill-informed and biased fools who have regularly knocked Tiger players without just cause.
I promise not to do it again.
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So what makes you think he is leaving??
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i cant see how anyone can blame us by not renewing that contract.
if he goes he goes.
good luck to him
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Port Adelaide has set its sights on Richmond Tigers free-agent Matt White
Michelangelo Rucci
From: The Advertiser
September 30, 2013 9:47PM
PORT Adelaide is poised to make another strategic strike in the AFL free-agent market by strengthening its midfield with Richmond wingman Matt White.
The Power confirmed its interest in the 26-year-old pacy Tiger who is an unrestricted free agent. This means the 105-game White can leave Richmond for the club of his choice - and Port is not the only suitor in the lead-up to a potentially busy AFL trade market.
White’s management has fielded offers from as many as five AFL clubs that include Carlton, Essendon, St Kilda and Melbourne.
White, who played 16 games this season but missed the finals, can declare his intentions on Friday when the free-agent market opens.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-has-set-its-sights-on-richmond-tigers-free-agent-matt-white/story-fnfll94y-1226730302701#mm-breached
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i cant see how anyone can blame us by not renewing that contract.
if he goes he goes.
good luck to him
Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.
Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.
Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
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Old Greg 8)
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Stick to the topic ppl without the insults or snip!
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Stick to the topic ppl without the insults or snip!
Let those who sow the seed reap the storm please One-Eyed.
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Thought he really stood in the last few games of 2012 when many thought he was playing for his career. Solid soldier since and I'm actually a bit bummed :-[
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Is this confirmed? Weak effort RFC IMO. He's a keeper.
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without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.
if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.
im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.
it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
i've also asked openly how you expect to relace 8-10 players in one hit and have a decent chance of actually getting upgrades?
and ive replied in detail. not my problem if you wish to stick your head in the sand or be stupid about it.
theres a fair few clubs who have already cut between 6 and 8 players i suppose your wondering how they are going to do it as well. and thats without lists being finalised.
i will do it again for you
we will use 3/ 4 nd picks will any of them be upgrades who knows they are kids. who even knows what picks we will end up with. you are not going to silly enough to suggest we dont use our nd picks because they may not end up better than what we have. thats like saying bo we wont cut players to get a look at kids like vlastuin mcbean macdonough or mcintosh last yr. none were an ipgrade they were all taken on potential.so
4nd picks
one f/a
one psd
one delisted player from another club. thats 6 to 7 to the list proper depending on if we use pick 64.
3/4 rookie picks used on
chris cain vfl 21 yo mid
david mirra vfl 21 yo def
tom howson wafl 22yo def.
so it goes
tuck retred = chapman thats an upgrade on a player who has gone of his own accord.
nahas dud = chris cain a clear upgrade
mcguane dud = laidler injuries permitting a far better player.
white gone in f/a 3yrs 350k to port adelaide. lmfao. = 2 rnd pick an upgrade or should be
derickx dud = 3rd rnd pick lol wont need much to upgrade on him will we.
verrier dud = mirra has at least made a vfl representative side and looks to have all the tools to play afl a clear upgrade.
darrou r hasnt done enough to be kept = tom howson has played superbly for east fremantle this yr an upgrade.
lonergan r dud = chris cain chris cain can run kick and find the ball another vfl rep this yr and clearly better credentialled player than lonergan.
stephenson battler. = jolly would only need to get halfway close to his best to upgrade on stephenson.
bud theres upgrades all over the place there it aint hard. theress others in other leagues who look better players than some we have.
id gladly give mitch thorpe another go hes done more than griffiths to date in fact he absolutely tore the tsl apart this yr.
as i said it aint hard to do better than a whole pile of the players we have. but in fairness replacing below standard players with slightly better isnt after all a hard thing to do.
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lol at 3yrs and 350k hes definately a let go type.its unbelievable what some clubs offer players.
350k is what we would be paying taylor adams i know which one id rather see us try to get and keep.
see ya matty enjoy ya time at port. :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Now we can get Adams
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Port are mad for offering him 3 years @ 350k. He will be delisted and paid out by the time the 3rd year rolls up and I love the way the Port supporting tosser Rucci has worded it. Making Poort sound like some superpower of the comp :D
They're only doing it because they're still burning that we poached Chaplin off them
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Dissappointed that Matt White has chosen to move on after a low ball offer from RFC for list management reasons.
Should have been a few pushed out before MW and how King, Foley & Grigg have gained lengthier & healthier contract terms is a mystery.
Thanks for your efforts Matt at RFC and congrats on the Most Improved Award.
A True Tiger that worked to gain every molecule of effort from the DNA cluster.
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Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.
Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.
Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.
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Is this confirmed? Weak effort RFC IMO. He's a keeper.
Are you serious?
White for Chaplain.
Fair trade IMO.
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Yes Bill.
Both clubs know where Whitey is playing next year.
You may well see him cry at his last Tiger function tonight.
He certainly didn't cry.
It's a disgrace that the most improved player is a senior player who played a vital role throughout the year and was sorely missed during the last few games, especially in the finals.
How can a professional club let this kind of player just leave and become part of a serious rival that may well beat us in a final?
Although I understand your angst and trust me I am not trying to be a smart you know whatskis
but the fact remains he has been offered a new contract by the RFC, so to say they are just letting him leave is not totally correct. The choice is now his.
Whatever he decides though going by the talk in the room last night he is likely going, I wish him all the very best because he is a terrific young man and as has been proven this year a very good player
Dissappointed that Matt White has chosen to move on after a low ball offer from RFC for list management reasons.
Should have been a few pushed out before MW and how King, Foley & Grigg have gained lengthier & healthier contract terms is a mystery.
Thanks for your efforts Matt at RFC and congrats on the Most Improved Award.
A True Tiger that worked to gain every molecule of effort from the DNA cluster.
:clapping :clapping
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Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.
Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.
Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.
Has he made his decision yet?
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Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.
Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.
Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.
Has he made his decision yet?
Going by the talk in the room last night, answer is YES
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Is this confirmed? Weak effort RFC IMO. He's a keeper.
Are you serious?
White for Chaplain.
Fair trade IMO.
Are YOU serious? Who said anything about a trade? There was none. And certainly nothing to do with Chaplin lol. What the hell are you on about?
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Put yourself in any Richmond players shoes Daniel.
Then take them off and put yourself in your grandmother's shoes who loves Richmond.
Would you continue to heap crap on Richmond?
No doubt it's tough on the family of the player as it's their boy who is being affected but rightly or wrongly list managers at clubs these days are paid to make decisions on players' futures without emotions getting in the way. As we've seen with the Dusty/Carr circus, the Club clearly has a definite view on the value of each player on our list and is sticking to it. Port are offering Whitey far more than what we are willing to pay (particularly the 3 years AFAIK). As a free agent, the Club would have to match Port's offer for Whitey to remain a Tiger and clearly the Club has said no to that.
Has he made his decision yet?
Going by the talk in the room last night, answer is YES
staying or going?
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i cant see how anyone can blame us by not renewing that contract.
if he goes he goes.
good luck to him
Spot on Dan. Not worth 3 years @ anywhere near that type of coin. In all his years with us he has only ever been able to string a couple of good games together before descending back into the pack of middling midfielders that spend most of their time in the 2's. I really like Whitey and his attitude but he isn't a great player or even a consistent player and keeping him for sentiments sake is not going to ever win us a flag so if he (rightly so) wants the security of 3 years at another club on good coin then he should go with our blessing.
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without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.
if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.
im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.
it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
i've also asked openly how you expect to relace 8-10 players in one hit and have a decent chance of actually getting upgrades?
and ive replied in detail. not my problem if you wish to stick your head in the sand or be stupid about it.
theres a fair few clubs who have already cut between 6 and 8 players i suppose your wondering how they are going to do it as well. and thats without lists being finalised.
4nd picks
one f/a
one psd
one delisted player from another club. thats 6 to 7 to the list proper depending on if we use pick 64.
3/4 rookie picks
Ah, no. last time i posed the question, i also asked you to take certain things into consideration, which was a mistake, as you then picked and twisted them, rambled endlessly and never gave the info i was after..
even now it was was like panning for gold, sifting through the irrelevant mindless crap to get to the answer, which i have edited as above.
so in essence we will either 2 3rd rounders or a 3rd and 4th, as we will not get much better for any trades.
as you said yourself, 3rd rounders go at around about 50% but my suspicion it is less.
one fa.granted thats reasonable.
one delisted player, yeah possible to get a short term upgrade such as chappy, but most delisted players will more be in the matt thomas mode though.
one PSD. well they are normally a longer shot than 3rd rounders, so the odds are getting longer.
and then 3-4 rookies.
well what are the odds of rookies making it? as they are basically left over after the ND and PSD, so now we are getting to the bottom the barrel, so they would have to be much less than 50%, which is why the club has gone down the path of mature discards, coz you get some certainity in having someone who can step straight in if injuries hit, albeit at an average level, with minimal cost. its like backing a short priced horse for a place rather than backing a long shot for a win.
so on average of the 8-10 you talk about we would be upgrading on 4-6 only, and only 2-3 of those would be stepping up in the short term.
but i can see how you find that appealing, as it would contribute to your wish to sliding back down the ladder.
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Nothing has been said cause Trade week is coming ;D Whitey is one of us & always has been. If other clubs are offering him a longer contract then take it. Its not so much the money but the security of employment is what players search want. Players come & go & unfortunately Matt was drafted on his terrific TAC form for being a skilled & dangerous player with explosive speed, which was hit by injury. He has also had problems during his career with injury which has limited him at times when we really needed him. Just think if we had better staff back in the days when he 1st showed up at punt road. Anyway thanks for the service Matty & we wish you all the success in your future with your new club. Your not the 1st Richmond supporter who has lived your dream & moved on, You wont be the last. Good Luck but you still have a chance to change your mind & help us win a premiership & really live your dream ;D :santa
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staying or going?
Answered it here:
Whatever he decides though going by the talk in the room last night he is likely going, I wish him all the very best because he is a terrific young man and as has been proven this year a very good player
= Going
Trade week doens't effect Matt White Monk,
He is unrestricted free agent. Doesn't need to be traded, he can go to the club of his choice and he can do that on Friday ;D
i cant see how anyone can blame us by not renewing that contract.
if he goes he goes.
good luck to him
Spot on Dan. Not worth 3 years @ anywhere near that type of coin. In all his years with us he has only ever been able to string a couple of good games together before descending back into the pack of middling midfielders that spend most of their time in the 2's. I really like Whitey and his attitude but he isn't a great player or even a consistent player and keeping him for sentiments sake is not going to ever win us a flag so if he (rightly so) wants the security of 3 years at another club on good coin then he should go with our blessing.
Agree with what you are saying Smokey.
Choice is now Matt's and if he can secure his future by going somewhere else and it is truly what he wants to do then no one should begrudge him that.
But there is also the old saying about the grass not necessarily being greener over the other side...
I supose part of the issue some folks have and I can understand their view is the fact that the Club will offer people like Grigg who aren't great players either long term deals on good coin. They seem to be prepared to pay overs for some but not even come close to offering others what they are worth
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I really feel we need him in our best 22. Line breaker, we need his pace !!
I feel he has been hard done by RFC. One of few players who absolutely give it his all and still cant get a decent contract, hope he stays but looks like he's gone. :-\
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Trade week doens't effect Matt White Monk,
He is unrestricted free agent. Doesn't need to be traded, he can go to the club of his choice and he can do that on Friday ;D
ok never realised he was unrestricted, anyway its his choice. Hope he don't walk away from his dream but as you know many who leave or retire are pushed out the door by the club & always have been. ;D
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You would be correct in placing me in that category WP
Grigg new contract/Edwards new contract
White 1 year
I have an issue with that
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without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.
if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.
im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.
it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
i've also asked openly how you expect to relace 8-10 players in one hit and have a decent chance of actually getting upgrades?
and ive replied in detail. not my problem if you wish to stick your head in the sand or be stupid about it.
theres a fair few clubs who have already cut between 6 and 8 players i suppose your wondering how they are going to do it as well. and thats without lists being finalised.
4nd picks
one f/a
one psd
one delisted player from another club. thats 6 to 7 to the list proper depending on if we use pick 64.
3/4 rookie picks
Ah, no. last time i posed the question, i also asked you to take certain things into consideration, which was a mistake, as you then picked and twisted them, rambled endlessly and never gave the info i was after..
even now it was was like panning for gold, sifting through the irrelevant mindless crap to get to the answer, which i have edited as above.
so in essence we will either 2 3rd rounders or a 3rd and 4th, as we will not get much better for any trades.
as you said yourself, 3rd rounders go at around about 50% but my suspicion it is less.
one fa.granted thats reasonable.
one delisted player, yeah possible to get a short term upgrade such as chappy, but most delisted players will more be in the matt thomas mode though.
one PSD. well they are normally a longer shot than 3rd rounders, so the odds are getting longer.
and then 3-4 rookies.
well what are the odds of rookies making it? as they are basically left over after the ND and PSD, so now we are getting to the bottom the barrel, so they would have to be much less than 50%, which is why the club has gone down the path of mature discards, coz you get some certainity in having someone who can step straight in if injuries hit, albeit at an average level, with minimal cost. its like backing a short priced horse for a place rather than backing a long shot for a win.
so on average of the 8-10 you talk about we would be upgrading on 4-6 only, and only 2-3 of those would be stepping up in the short term.
but i can see how you find that appealing, as it would contribute to your wish to sliding back down the ladder.
oh dear it really is amusing to watch the contortions of thjose who just wont admit they are wrong. forever letting their dislike of others twist what they say.
its funny no opinion on the subject at all but real keen to drag those down that do have one.
4 nd picks son we will use em upgrade or not.
chapman jolly laidler all upgrades on those they replace.
mirra howson and cain all better skilled rookies than what we have now and they are ready to go.
like i said it aint hard a blind man could improve our list but keep the head in the sand its funny. we obviously have a premiership list with your type of thinking. i know lets just cut the bare minimum of 3 lets hang onto the duds because they are good blokes.
have a try for yourself it aint hard even you could come up with 9 or 10 better options than what we currently have. oh thats right your not here to put it out there your just here to criticise those who have opposing views.
fair dinkum i will never understand the love of duds and the need of people to want to keep so many of them who have no value what so ever. i will never ever understand why people want to sit on so many awful players rather than try something new.
you do realise al even if we cut 8 - 10 theres a shedload of other hacks on the list still for you to support.
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Ok, how does compo work then?
Is it based on what salary White has been offered from Port?
Would we be looking at maybe a 3rd rounder?
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It's funny how players Claw likes will automatically be as good as they promise but every single AFL club have some fails and take their time in building up a list. If only one club could hire Claw, imagine their premiership window :gobdrop
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Trade radio twitter
We have just spoken to Anthony McConville off air - has confirmed his player Matt White is seeking a trade to Port Adelaide.
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If it's a trade, what are we likely to receive in return?
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Ok, how does compo work then?
Is it based on what salary White has been offered from Port?
Would we be looking at maybe a 3rd rounder?
I think they take into account things like games played and salary and then give you some arbitrary pick. Reckon it's safe to expect a 3rd round.
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I supose part of the issue some folks have and I can understand their view is the fact that the Club will offer people like Grigg who aren't great players either long term deals on good coin. They seem to be prepared to pay overs for some but not even come close to offering others what they are worth
WP , you have nailed it !
So I gotta ask the question
Is this a ' Dimma's favorites ' issue ? Grigg , Houli , Petterd for example ?
Or is it a Dan ' I used to be a player manager but I'm above that now and I don't tolerate player managers ' Richardson issue ?
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Trade radio twitter
We have just spoken to Anthony McConville off air - has confirmed his player Matt White is seeking a trade to Port Adelaide.
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Not sure how it can be a trade when he is an "Unrestricted Free Agent" meaning he can go where he likes. The Tigers don't even get the option of matching any offer
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Mrs Houli sends tabouli to the Hardwick house every thursday night which happens to be selection night
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We got one from Port in Chapman, so I'm not gonna begrudge Port one of ours. I think we won out of that one.
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We got one from Port in Chapman, so I'm not gonna begrudge Port one of ours. I think we won out of that one.
God dammit, who is Chapman
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Mrs Houli sends tabouli to the Hardwick house every thursday night which happens to be selection night
Ekto sends fish and chips, whats your point?
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Nope, he will sign with Port on Friday and move across.
I would have thought Dan Richardson knows exactly what offer(s) White was looking at, and stated we (RFC) wouldn't be willing to match it so White has decided to move to Port (which he is completely entitled to do).
You win some and you lose some. He was good this year but average at best prior. Just means we need to continue doing what we have been which is bringing in more talent.
If it all goes as expected, best of luck to Matty White, has been a great servant of our club. :cheers
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Matt White to leave Richmond
Date October 1, 2013 - 12:03PM
Michael Gleeson
Sports Writer for The Age
A day after re-signing Dustin Martin, Richmond has lost free agent forward and midfielder Matthew White, who has told the Tigers that he wants to leave the club.
White, who is an unrestricted free agent, is set to move to Port Adelaide.
White informed the Tigers of his decision Tuesday morning, after the club’s best and fairest count, won by Daniel Jackson with Martin second. White finished 19th.
White’s manager Anthony McConville confirmed the 26-year-old’s move.
"Matthew is an unrestricted free agent and he has advised Richmond that he is going to explore some further opportunities elsewhere. I have had discussions with Port Adelaide and that is his likely destination," McConville said.
"Richmond had indicated Matt was a required player but they understand the free agency situation and the opportunities for Matt to play a role at a club."
Richmond would be likely to get an end of second round draft pick, at best, as compensation for White.
The mechanism for determining the compensation is influenced in part by the age of the player and the size of the contract he accepts at another club. As a contract offer has not yet been put to White - and won't be until the free agency window opens on Friday - it is uncertain how much the compensation would be likely to be.
A quick player with endurance, White has played 16 games this year for a total of 105 and 54 goals in his eight seasons with the Tigers.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/matt-white-to-leave-richmond-20131001-2upny.html#ixzz2gRG4RhDA
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Mrs Houli sends tabouli to the Hardwick house every thursday night which happens to be selection night
Yep ! ;D
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I'm going to miss Matt White. With interchange caps coming up next year, pace and having a ready made super sub could be the difference between 8th and 9th.
I'll always remember him dominating the Grand Final Sprint, his amazing 4th quarter goal (should have been goals) vs Freo, and the role he played in helping Richmond crap on the Hawks this year.
Matty, all the best
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I'm going to miss Matt White. With interchange caps coming up next year, pace and having a ready made super sub could be the difference between 8th and 9th.
Won't effect us then as we will be pushing for top 4 :rollin :thumbsup
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Excellent sub IMO. Played some great games.
Wish him the best for his career and beyond.
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Disappointed to see him go. Club was very patient with him over the years. Could have been delisted last year or year before but wasn't. This year was his breakout year. Was developing into a solid player. Was a good tackler, great kick at goal and could break the lines. Admit wasn't a great mark. He had a great attitude. Had become an important player at the club because of his speed endurance and ability the break the lines. Will need to find a suitable replacement. Wish him good luck with his career.
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I'm going to miss Matt White. With interchange caps coming up next year, pace and having a ready made super sub could be the difference between 8th and 9th.
Won't effect us then as we will be pushing for top 4 :rollin :thumbsup
In that case could be the difference between finishing 4th and 5th :D
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yeh, i'm big spewing about this... :P
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without knowing the situation as far as what players are getting paid one angle is by signing white and a lot of others hurts our ability to go after a player like taylor adams.
signing players like white mcguane jackson grigg king griffiths edwards to multiple yr contracts is now in all likely hood kicking us in the arse. the talk is we cant resign martin and we cant offer blokes like adams and longer enough or match other clubs offers.
im wondering how that can be.
if this is correct the club sure as hell is getting something very wrong when it comes to list management and more specific contracts. none of those mentioned should be getting more than one yr contracts because of their erratic form from yr to yr.most of em should have been cut ages ago.
im waiting with bated breath to see who and how many we cut ive said openly that 8 to 10 should go including rookies. yet it seems we are slowly but surely tying every one up bar a few.further inhibiting our ability to go after quality and needed players.
it looks atm a lot like 95 and 01 where they thought they had the lists to become regular top 4 when the truth was we were nowhere near it.
if the club fails at this watershed moment we can all look forward to many yrs back in the wilderness.
i've also asked openly how you expect to relace 8-10 players in one hit and have a decent chance of actually getting upgrades?
and ive replied in detail. not my problem if you wish to stick your head in the sand or be stupid about it.
theres a fair few clubs who have already cut between 6 and 8 players i suppose your wondering how they are going to do it as well. and thats without lists being finalised.
4nd picks
one f/a
one psd
one delisted player from another club. thats 6 to 7 to the list proper depending on if we use pick 64.
3/4 rookie picks
Ah, no. last time i posed the question, i also asked you to take certain things into consideration, which was a mistake, as you then picked and twisted them, rambled endlessly and never gave the info i was after..
even now it was was like panning for gold, sifting through the irrelevant mindless crap to get to the answer, which i have edited as above.
so in essence we will either 2 3rd rounders or a 3rd and 4th, as we will not get much better for any trades.
as you said yourself, 3rd rounders go at around about 50% but my suspicion it is less.
one fa.granted thats reasonable.
one delisted player, yeah possible to get a short term upgrade such as chappy, but most delisted players will more be in the matt thomas mode though.
one PSD. well they are normally a longer shot than 3rd rounders, so the odds are getting longer.
and then 3-4 rookies.
well what are the odds of rookies making it? as they are basically left over after the ND and PSD, so now we are getting to the bottom the barrel, so they would have to be much less than 50%, which is why the club has gone down the path of mature discards, coz you get some certainity in having someone who can step straight in if injuries hit, albeit at an average level, with minimal cost. its like backing a short priced horse for a place rather than backing a long shot for a win.
so on average of the 8-10 you talk about we would be upgrading on 4-6 only, and only 2-3 of those would be stepping up in the short term.
but i can see how you find that appealing, as it would contribute to your wish to sliding back down the ladder.
oh dear it really is amusing to watch the contortions of thjose who just wont admit they are wrong. forever letting their dislike of others twist what they say.
its funny no opinion on the subject at all but real keen to drag those down that do have one.
4 nd picks son we will use em upgrade or not.
chapman jolly laidler all upgrades on those they replace.
mirra howson and cain all better skilled rookies than what we have now and they are ready to go.
like i said it aint hard a blind man could improve our list but keep the head in the sand its funny. we obviously have a premiership list with your type of thinking. i know lets just cut the bare minimum of 3 lets hang onto the duds because they are good blokes.
have a try for yourself it aint hard even you could come up with 9 or 10 better options than what we currently have. oh thats right your not here to put it out there your just here to criticise those who have opposing views.
fair dinkum i will never understand the love of duds and the need of people to want to keep so many of them who have no value what so ever. i will never ever understand why people want to sit on so many awful players rather than try something new.
you do realise al even if we cut 8 - 10 theres a shedload of other hacks on the list still for you to support.
you are fair dinkum off your tree.
You are either an A grade troll or an A grade moron, because one again your reply has nothing, I repeat nothing what so ever to do with I wrote.
How about you go back and get you state appointed carer to explain what i wrote and answer that rather go off on an tangent throwing abuse that is irrelevant to the post.
here i will highlight the part to concentrate on.
so in essence we will have either 2 3rd rounders or a 3rd and 4th, as we will not get much better for any trades.
as you said yourself, 3rd rounders go at around about 50% but my suspicion it is less.
one fa.granted thats reasonable.
one delisted player, yeah possible to get a short term upgrade such as chappy, but most delisted players will more be in the matt thomas mode though.
one PSD. well they are normally a longer shot than 3rd rounders, so the odds are getting longer.
and then 3-4 rookies.
well what are the odds of rookies making it? as they are basically left over after the ND and PSD, so now we are getting to the bottom the barrel, so they would have to be much less than 50%, which is why the club has gone down the path of mature discards, coz you get some certainity in having someone who can step straight in if injuries hit, albeit at an average level, with minimal cost. its like backing a short priced horse for a place rather than backing a long shot for a win.
so on average of the 8-10 you talk about we would be upgrading on 4-6 only, and only 2-3 of those would be stepping up in the short term.
Can you address this in a concise, logical manner?
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western australia
the special state
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Yep, I'm going to miss him. No one runs faster off the ground when interchanged (or on the ground when subbed on)
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Can you address this in a concise, logical manner?
hmm concise and logical
the only logical conclusion i can come to is there is only one moron on this site his name starts with a and ends in l. i know your bright enough to work that one out.
hmm concise two words sums you up f%%$$%%k wit. i know you can decipher that youve obviously been called it plenty of times.
and mods the abuse is tit for tat whats good for the goose is good for the gander..i dont like to go down that path but some people deserve it. if im sanctioned just remember it takes two to tango. im not putting up with poo from a pissant like al.
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Mathew white had a great season...Never like seeing real Richmond people leave the den.
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players leave all the time. whitey has been average for about 90% of the time he was with us. wish him all the best at Port. Happy to get a pick between 35 and 40 for him as I see that as above the odds for white.
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Mathew white had a great season...Never like seeing real Richmond people leave the den.
X2
We will miss his pace, however Todd Elton ran in the GF sprint, he must have some pace!!
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im amazed at our supporters and their stupidity in calling for our administration to match offers for ordinary players like matty white. great servant yes but lets be real hes been a battler and was never gonna be a Richmond Premiership Player. id prefer we draft a kid like Hartung in the draft and pay him 80k rather than keep White.
Another really good decision from our football department. Well done to all :clapping
And Good luck to White at Port
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Matty White is in our best 22 and worked his way into the best 18 by the 2nd half of this year. Yes it's a bit late to achieve this at age 26 but why hold his past against him. Pace has always been an asset in footy but now it seems more crucial than ever, especially when you have got 2 evenly matched sides playing a similar brand of footy, which seems to happen more and more these days.
Somehow I doubt that Matty was holding the club to ransom. If this was an issue on length of tenure, I think that White has built a case and the club should have shown more flexibility in this area.
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I think this will be the best result for both player and club.
If we get an end of second round draft pick for him that will be a huge bonus for us!
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Yeah id take that and sincerely wish him well. Thought he was lucky to survive and to his credit really turned it around and become a big impact player this year. takes a lot of character to be able to do that
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What the hell is it with people judging players by last year or the year before?
Guys like Tuck, Jackson and White have all proved that you can improve late in your career.
People just make up their mind and stick with it.
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He is 26 and has started to get soft tissue injuries. Memo the last five weeks of the season. Whilst I would have liked him to stay I could see his injuries becoming chronic. Nevertheless for his sake I hope they don't. Good luck to him for getting the three year deal. Has CC moved to Alberton? ;D
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What the hell is it with people judging players by last year or the year before?
Guys like Tuck, Jackson and White have all proved that you can improve late in your career.
People just make up their mind and stick with it.
Guys like you mention improve when the quality of player improves around them. This aint RFC 2007.
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What the hell is it with people judging players by last year or the year before?
Guys like Tuck, Jackson and White have all proved that you can improve late in your career.
People just make up their mind and stick with it.
Guys like you mention improve when the quality of player improves around them. This aint RFC 2007.
Bahaha.
Then I suppose kids like you imply that nobody improves individually at all and its just a placebo effect from the wholistic team improvement?
Get real mate. The skills improve and you can see it clearly. Having better teammates might help you jag a cheapie or take a mark on the lead but individual efforts are another story and these guys have genuinely gotten better with age. Wake up.
You must have been watching another game to me every week.
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Best18?
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What the hell is it with people judging players by last year or the year before?
Guys like Tuck, Jackson and White have all proved that you can improve late in your career.
People just make up their mind and stick with it.
Guys like you mention improve when the quality of player improves around them. This aint RFC 2007.
Bahaha.
Then I suppose kids like you imply that nobody improves individually at all and its just a placebo effect from the wholistic team improvement?
Get real mate. The skills improve and you can see it clearly. Having better teammates might help you jag a cheapie or take a mark on the lead but individual efforts are another story and these guys have genuinely gotten better with age. Wake up.
You must have been watching another game to me every week.
Statistically blokes Like Jako Tuck turn over the ball more than others in our side. Thre fact is in our last two years with the side naturally improving due to the development of Cotch, Martin, Lids etc the impact of these guys good and bad games still stand out.
Look at Jako's dreamtime game the last two years. One was shocking the other whilst in our best was clearly why hhis disposal is not upto scratch and why Essendon were happy to let him run loose.
These players just need to play within their limitations rather than trying to do more thean they can.
Good on him for winning the B&F but Jako will never win you a game of footy like a Lids or a Cotch and if you can't see that then I don't know which Richmond game you are watching. Maybe its the placebo effect from the clappers in the old Olympic Stand in the 90's.
Too many prima donnas on here. Grow up moron. Malakies. ;D
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What the hell is it with people judging players by last year or the year before?
Guys like Tuck, Jackson and White have all proved that you can improve late in your career.
People just make up their mind and stick with it.
Guys like you mention improve when the quality of player improves around them. This aint RFC 2007.
Bahaha.
Then I suppose kids like you imply that nobody improves individually at all and its just a placebo effect from the wholistic team improvement?
Get real mate. The skills improve and you can see it clearly. Having better teammates might help you jag a cheapie or take a mark on the lead but individual efforts are another story and these guys have genuinely gotten better with age. Wake up.
You must have been watching another game to me every week.
Statistically blokes Like Jako Tuck turn over the ball more than others in our side. Thre fact is in our last two years with the side naturally improving due to the development of Cotch, Martin, Lids etc the impact of these guys good and bad games still stand out.
Look at Jako's dreamtime game the last two years. One was shocking the other whilst in our best was clearly why hhis disposal is not upto scratch and why Essendon were happy to let him run loose.
These players just need to play within their limitations rather than trying to do more thean they can.
Good on him for winning the B&F but Jako will never win you a game of footy like a Lids or a Cotch and if you can't see that then I don't know which Richmond game you are watching. Maybe its the placebo effect from the clappers in the old Olympic Stand in the 90's.
Too many prima donnas on here. Grow up moron. Malakies. ;D
Trollolol malaka. You're right. Lets just play each week with 7 Cotchins, 7 Lids and 7 Martins. Leave Jack in the square.
Oh, wait a minute, you need soldiers too ;)
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What the hell is it with people judging players by last year or the year before?
Guys like Tuck, Jackson and White have all proved that you can improve late in your career.
People just make up their mind and stick with it.
Guys like you mention improve when the quality of player improves around them. This aint RFC 2007.
Bahaha.
Then I suppose kids like you imply that nobody improves individually at all and its just a placebo effect from the wholistic team improvement?
Get real mate. The skills improve and you can see it clearly. Having better teammates might help you jag a cheapie or take a mark on the lead but individual efforts are another story and these guys have genuinely gotten better with age. Wake up.
You must have been watching another game to me every week.
Statistically blokes Like Jako Tuck turn over the ball more than others in our side. Thre fact is in our last two years with the side naturally improving due to the development of Cotch, Martin, Lids etc the impact of these guys good and bad games still stand out.
Look at Jako's dreamtime game the last two years. One was shocking the other whilst in our best was clearly why hhis disposal is not upto scratch and why Essendon were happy to let him run loose.
These players just need to play within their limitations rather than trying to do more thean they can.
Good on him for winning the B&F but Jako will never win you a game of footy like a Lids or a Cotch and if you can't see that then I don't know which Richmond game you are watching. Maybe its the placebo effect from the clappers in the old Olympic Stand in the 90's.
Too many prima donnas on here. Grow up moron. Malakies. ;D
Trollolol malaka. You're right. Lets just play each week with 7 Cotchins, 7 Lids and 7 Martins. Leave Jack in the square.
Oh, wait a minute, you need soldiers too ;)
Did I say we don't need foot so.diers Malaka? You do it's just Jako is an unskilled undisciplined one who happens to win a B&F when the cream at the club is amazingly higher than when he came second in one in 2009 when you could put a line through all the list but if you need to keep nitpicking to make yourself relevant then keep on talking malaka. ;D
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Matty White is in our best 22 and worked his way into the best 18 by the 2nd half of this year. Yes it's a bit late to achieve this at age 26 but why hold his past against him. Pace has always been an asset in footy but now it seems more crucial than ever, especially when you have got 2 evenly matched sides playing a similar brand of footy, which seems to happen more and more these days.
Somehow I doubt that Matty was holding the club to ransom. If this was an issue on length of tenure, I think that White has built a case and the club should have shown more flexibility in this area.
Agree. Some players take a while to develop. White was one of those players. As he has been in the system awhile his strength had developed to the extent where he could lay effective tackles and brush off tackles. He was good in packs and was a good clubman. You need those types of players to win a premiership. It seems now that Port will reap the rewards of the club's good work in developing him. At 26 he has fair few years of football in him.
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Can you address this in a concise, logical manner?
hmm concise and logical
the only logical conclusion i can come to is there is only one moron on this site his name starts with a and ends in l. i know your bright enough to work that one out.
hmm concise two words sums you up f%%$$%%k wit. i know you can decipher that youve obviously been called it plenty of times.
and mods the abuse is tit for tat whats good for the goose is good for the gander..i dont like to go down that path but some people deserve it. if im sanctioned just remember it takes two to tango. im not putting up with poo from a peeant like al.
ok, all that aside, can you address the point in a concise and logical manner rather than twisting it into something i am not saying?
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Wow the hostility
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White only played good when he came on as a sub and played for 30 minutes. Whenever he had to play full games he always reverted back to how its always been. Very average. The issue of hamstrings is also important and his injury late in the season had to be taken into account. Lastly, there have been dozens and hundreds of players who have shown improvement in 1 year. The trick isnt to improve for 1 year, its to do it for consecutive years. White has never done it at Richmond but as I said before Good luck to him at Port. Hope he does well just prefer to draft a kid instead of having White on the list.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-09-12/white-2013-review
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If I'm watching a RFC vs Port match in 2014
and I see White break the lines and burn off a Tiger and kicks it laces out to Jay Schulz whom then coverts, I may cry
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White only played good when he came on as a sub and played for 30 minutes. Whenever he had to play full games he always reverted back to how its always been. Very average. The issue of hamstrings is also important and his injury late in the season had to be taken into account.
Really? Would think in 2013 the games in the where he actually played the enitre game he was very good. Was our best player against the Eagles, got us in the game and kept us there until our "good" players joined in. Yes he had some "ok" ones but he wasn't alone. But he was above average a fair bit
As for the hamstring, suggest you ask the club why they played him in the GWS game when he had a niggle and then against the Bombers in a meaningless game when the focus (as so many on here suggested) should have being making sure he was right for the finals
Given opportunities this year he showed his benefits to the team
Wish him all the best
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Chaplin will point at some else to man up while this is all happening.
Them loap towards the contest and fail to impact it
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If I'm watching a RFC vs Port match in 2014
and I see White break the lines and burn off a Tiger and kicks it laces out to Jay Schulz whom then coverts, I may cry
They all do it, seen Cotchin do the same thing a few times
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Had a real habit of playing well in the west eg against both Freo and West Coast this year. Showed real consistency and spirit this year no matter what situation eg game against North.
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Can you address this in a concise, logical manner?
hmm concise and logical
the only logical conclusion i can come to is there is only one moron on this site his name starts with a and ends in l. i know your bright enough to work that one out.
hmm concise two words sums you up f%%$$%%k wit. i know you can decipher that youve obviously been called it plenty of times.
and mods the abuse is tit for tat whats good for the goose is good for the gander..i dont like to go down that path but some people deserve it. if im sanctioned just remember it takes two to tango. im not putting up with poo from a peeant like al.
ok, all that aside, can you address the point in a concise and logical manner rather than twisting it into something i am not saying?
ffs just pee off will ya. you dont deserve a civil answer. go and get your jollys nit picking some other poor sod.
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I'll take that as a no then?
why is it you feel that your statements, made with such conviction, cannot be held up to question?
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I'll take that as a no then?
why is it you feel that your statements, made with such conviction, cannot be held up to question?
Al, time to give this a rest.
There is nothing to be gained.
:cheers
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I'll take that as a no then?
why is it you feel that your statements, made with such conviction, cannot be held up to question?
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Can you address this in a concise, logical manner?
hmm concise and logical
the only logical conclusion i can come to is there is only one moron on this site his name starts with a and ends in l. i know your bright enough to work that one out.
hmm concise two words sums you up f%%$$%%k wit. i know you can decipher that youve obviously been called it plenty of times.
and mods the abuse is tit for tat whats good for the goose is good for the gander..i dont like to go down that path but some people deserve it. if im sanctioned just remember it takes two to tango. im not putting up with poo from a peeant like al.
ok, all that aside, can you address the point in a concise and logical manner rather than twisting it into something i am not saying?
ffs just pee off will ya. you dont deserve a civil answer. go and get your jollys nit picking some other poor sod.
It's just al's MO, he doesn't know any better, he is up on the pedestal, high and mighty!!
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Al is a good poster who challenges peoples opinions and when that happens we sometimes dont like it.
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Al is a good poster who challenges peoples opinions and when that happens we sometimes dont like it.
Non stop, its becoming a bore and too self righteous!!
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Al is a good poster who challenges peoples opinions and when that happens we sometimes dont like it.
Non stop, its becoming a bore and too self righteous!!
A little like 90% of your posts ::)
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Al is a good poster who challenges peoples opinions and when that happens we sometimes dont like it.
Non stop, its becoming a bore and too self righteous!!
A little like 90% of your posts ::)
And 95% of yours!!!!
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
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In defense of al, there is nothing more annoying that asking someone a question and they go off only a completely irrelevant tangent. FFS we get enough of this from our politicians
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
Really? Why would you think that?
;)
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
Sad if that is true
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Al is a good poster who challenges peoples opinions and when that happens we sometimes dont like it.
Non stop, its becoming a bore and too self righteous!!
as tempting as it is to challenge your meaning of non stop I wont :P
i let a lot go that i disagree with, but some things that i feel are not so well thought out, yet are said with such conviction and repeatedly, as well as followed with belittlement of anyone that dares say something different, well, it is a condition of membership of the nit pickers society that i must then question such statements.
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
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Al is a good poster who challenges peoples opinions and when that happens we sometimes dont like it.
Non stop, its becoming a bore and too self righteous!!
as tempting as it is to challenge your meaning of non stop I wont :P
i let a lot go that i disagree with, but some things that i feel are not so well thought out, yet are said with such conviction and repeatedly, as well as followed with belittlement of anyone that dares say something different, well, it is a condition of membership of the nit pickers society that i must then question such statements.
:'(
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Can you address this in a concise, logical manner?
hmm concise and logical
the only logical conclusion i can come to is there is only one moron on this site his name starts with a and ends in l. i know your bright enough to work that one out.
hmm concise two words sums you up f%%$$%%k wit. i know you can decipher that youve obviously been called it plenty of times.
and mods the abuse is tit for tat whats good for the goose is good for the gander..i dont like to go down that path but some people deserve it. if im sanctioned just remember it takes two to tango. im not putting up with poo from a peeant like al.
ok, all that aside, can you address the point in a concise and logical manner rather than twisting it into something i am not saying?
ffs just pee off will ya. you dont deserve a civil answer. go and get your jollys nit picking some other poor sod.
It's just al's MO, he doesn't know any better, he is up on the pedestal, high and mighty!!
I find that to be a disgusting comment. Al is a leader of men. He argues his side and respectfully listens to the thoughts and views of others.
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Sir Al.
To you plebs. >:(
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
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Lord Al or Baron Von Allen also acceptable*
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
Not good enough for 2 year deal?
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reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
;D True dat
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
Not good enough for 2 year deal?
borderline, won't be a massive error letting him walk though :lol
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
Not good enough for 2 year deal?
That is the question.
BTW this info came from very close friends of his...
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
Not good enough for 2 year deal?
That is the question.
BTW this info came from very close friends of his...
So you are suggesting the coin has nothing to do with it?
That is if both clubs were to offer 2 years but Port offers as reported between $300-$350k a season and Richmond were to offer less coin (put in whatever number you like as long as it is less than $300k) he would stay?
Hmmm interesting
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Two years for $500k IMO.
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
Not good enough for 2 year deal?
That is the question.
BTW this info came from very close friends of his...
So you are suggesting the coin has nothing to do with it?
That is if both clubs were to offer 2 years but Port offers as reported between $300-$350k a season and Richmond were to offer less coin (put in whatever number you like as long as it is less than $300k) he would stay?
Hmmm interesting
Considering that ricky nixon reckoned that he told his clients its not worth changing clubs for less than 150k extra, or 200k if the move was interstate, it is quite feasable
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
While some of the language borders on jazz hands-esque exaggeration - it is spot on.
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
Not good enough for 2 year deal?
That is the question.
BTW this info came from very close friends of his...
So you are suggesting the coin has nothing to do with it?
That is if both clubs were to offer 2 years but Port offers as reported between $300-$350k a season and Richmond were to offer less coin (put in whatever number you like as long as it is less than $300k) he would stay?
Hmmm interesting
Considering that ricky nixon reckoned that he told his clients its not worth changing clubs for less than 150k extra, or 200k if the move was interstate, it is quite feasable
In part that's my point al,
YBB is suggesting that if Matt White was offered a 2 year deal by Richmond he would taken less money and stayed. Money wouldn't really be a factor
Well that's what I think that's the suggestion ;D
Just trying to get some clarification ;D
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White left richmond for money and job security
The same reason why Houli, grigg, Maric and Chaplin all came to richmond
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I think he was suggesting he wanted a 2 year contract ::)
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The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
If that's true it's a massive error from the RFC.
LMFAO now i have heard it all
Matt White has gone from a likeable battling clubman to some sort of budding superstar
reminds me of Kel Moore when he was injured, just kept getting better and better
good on him for seeking more opportunities, but the club would have been howled down if they offered him the sort of contract Port has
Not good enough for 2 year deal?
That is the question.
BTW this info came from very close friends of his...
So you are suggesting the coin has nothing to do with it?
That is if both clubs were to offer 2 years but Port offers as reported between $300-$350k a season and Richmond were to offer less coin (put in whatever number you like as long as it is less than $300k) he would stay?
Hmmm interesting
Considering that ricky nixon reckoned that he told his clients its not worth changing clubs for less than 150k extra, or 200k if the move was interstate, it is quite feasable
In part that's my point al,
YBB is suggesting that if Matt White was offered a 2 year deal by Richmond he would taken less money and stayed. Money wouldn't really be a factor
Well that's what I think that's the suggestion ;D
Just trying to get some clarification ;D
This is exactly what close friends to Matty have said. Now, I have no reason to believe that they are lying.
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I think he was suggesting he wanted a 2 year contract ::)
Really? ::) ::)
This is the statement that I asked about:
The truth is that Matty just wanted a 2 year deal. He would have accepted less money.....
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I am asking a question based on the entire statement. Not the first bit or the last bit but the entire statement
The statement suggests a number of things depending on how you read/interept it.
One was that if he was offered a 2 year deal by the RFC he would have stayed even if meant less money, that is he would have accepted less money to stay if he got 2 years
I am asking for clarification on that. Hence, why I asked:
So you are suggesting the coin has nothing to do with it?
That is if both clubs were to offer 2 years but Port offers as reported between $300-$350k a season and Richmond were to offer less coin (put in whatever number you like as long as it is less than $300k) he would stay?
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This is exactly what close friends to Matty have said. Now, I have no reason to believe that they are lying.
Fair enough
Thank you for the clarification
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Stop being such a mut with your grins and stupid questions
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Any news??
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Any news??
Nope
No FA news as yet
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Any news??
Nope
No FA news as yet
Cheers, there was talk it was a done deal and could be all over by today...talk, got to love it!!
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Any news??
Nope
No FA news as yet
Cheers, there was talk it was a done deal and could be all over by today...talk, got to love it!!
Reckon it will be one of the first FA deals done
He is goneskis
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Any news??
Nope
No FA news as yet
Cheers, there was talk it was a done deal and could be all over by today...talk, got to love it!!
Reckon it will be one of the first FA deals done
He is goneskis
Yeah thought so, cheers.
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Done
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Done
Yep done
From Patrick Keane's twitter
Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane Port Adelaide FC has today formally lodged an unrestricted Free Agency offer for Matthew White with the AFL.11:46 AM - 4 Oct 2013
From: http://www.afl.com.au/trade-period/trade-radio
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There you go then, pity we cant get compensation for him.... :-\
Maybe we should of looked at a trade last year....we didn't did we??
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Gone.
Thanks for the service Matt and wish you all the best.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2013-10-04/free-agent-white-joins-power (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2013-10-04/free-agent-white-joins-power)
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I hope he plays poo for them and they delist him in 2016
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White 05 rookie
Franklin 04 draft
Why do we not get compensation? Cause white was a year older draft?
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who said we don't get compensation?
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White 05 rookie
Franklin 04 draft
Why do we not get compensation? Cause white was a year older draft?
Compo depends on whether we have a net gain in the FA period, loss white & pick up a FA = no compo
lose white & we dont get a FA = Compo, simple really :)
Hope i am correct !!
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I hope he plays poo for them and they delist him in 2016
Why?
Because left Richmond?
Because he took an offer that has given him the secuirty of 3 years?
You cannot begrudge him taking the security of a 3 year contract over what he was offered by the Tigers
Personally, I'm disappointed to see him go but I wish him all the best
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I hope he plays poo for them and they delist him in 2016
Why?
Because left Richmond?
Because he took an offer that has given him the secuirty of 3 years?
You cannot begrudge him taking the security of a 3 year contract over what he was offered by the Tigers
Personally, I'm disappointed to see him go but I wish him all the best
My wish has nothing to do with Whitey. I like him. It's port who I hate.
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who said we don't get compensation?
He is a free agent, its not a trade.
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White 05 rookie
Franklin 04 draft
Why do we not get compensation? Cause white was a year older draft?
I believe the reason is because White is an Unrestricted Free Agent = no compo
Restricted free Agent = compo if you don't sign another FA.
Restricted & Inrestricted Free Agent is determined by the number of years you've been at the ONE club, so yes White is unrestricted because he was drafted the year before Buddy
Restricted FA - clubs can match any offer
Unrestricted FA - clubs don't get the option to match and player walks to the club of their chocie
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Retire 35. :clapping
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Thanks for clearing that up WP.
SO Matty White is now with Port and we get nothing for him.
Good luck Matty at your new home.
Can we now move this thread to View from the outer as it has now become a discussion about a Port player.
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We will get compensation for White. It's only delisted free agents that you won't get a component pick for. At the end of the trade period the AFL will determine what pick we get.
White IMO is probably only worth an end of 3rd round pick, if the AFL are feeling generous we might get an end of Second round which would be a goof get got us.
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The Matthew White highlights package on the port web site is enough to make any tiger fan cry.
Must be creaming themselves over there.
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who said we don't get compensation?
He is a free agent, its not a trade.
We still get compo for him regardless!
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The Matthew White highlights package on the port web site is enough to make any tiger fan cry.
Must be creaming themselves over there.
meh. average 12 touches per game.
not best 18.
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We will get compensation for White. It's only delisted free agents that you won't get a component pick for. At the end of the trade period the AFL will determine what pick we get.
Thanks for clearing that up
I thought it was all Unrestricted Free Agents
But if we were to sign a FA we'd get nothing though?
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We will get compensation for White. It's only delisted free agents that you won't get a component pick for. At the end of the trade period the AFL will determine what pick we get.
Thanks for clearing that up
I thought it was all Unrestricted Free Agents
But if we were to sign a FA we'd get nothing though?
It depends, sort of a 'balancing act' the AFL try to perform.
They look at what you lose and what you gain. Depends I think on the value and length of contracts the players sign and they figure it out with a 'special formula' which they keep up Andy D's clacker.
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We will get compensation for White. It's only delisted free agents that you won't get a component pick for. At the end of the trade period the AFL will determine what pick we get.
Thanks for clearing that up
I thought it was all Unrestricted Free Agents
But if we were to sign a FA we'd get nothing though?
It depends, sort of a 'balancing act' the AFL try to perform.
They look at what you lose and what you gain. Depends I think on the value and length of contracts the players sign and they figure it out with a 'special formula' which they keep up Andy D's clacker.
Ah hello young Richmond fan. You want to find out if you get compensation for losing Matty White? You must go on a quest up the fat wogs clacker.
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Port Adelaide move quickly to secure speedster White
Harry Thring
afl.com.au
October 4, 2013 12:07 PM
PORT Adelaide has secured former Richmond speedster Matt White on a three-year deal on the opening day of the Gillette AFL Trade and Free Agency Period.
Power coach Ken Hinkley flagged his desire to lure the 26-year-old to Alberton earlier in the week and the fifth pick at the 2006 NAB AFL Pre-season Draft wasted no time in signing with the club.
White played 105 games for the Tigers, including 16 games this year, but was often forced to start as the side's substitute for the 2013 season.
He fielded offers from several rival clubs, but White said he chose to join the Power for the opportunity of a starting 22 position.
“It’s a massive opportunity to come to a great club in Port Adelaide, and I’m really looking forward to what the next few years can bring the club and me personally,” White told Port Adelaide's website.
“It’s a massive thing for me to come over to SA and into a group that’s played in two finals this year.
“I know Ken runs a pretty tight ship and I’m really excited about the challenge of trying to slot into the 22 each week and hopefully be playing finals come the end of next year.
“Ken and Alan Richardson have outlined some key roles for me to play throughout the year, but I’m just looking forward to getting out there and playing on some quality opponents, as well as hopefully winning a lot of games.”
As well as the obvious need from a football perspective, Hinkley has previously spoken about the importance of bringing the "right" sort of characters into the club.
He said White ticked both boxes.
“Matt has got great character and is a fantastic person – he’s exactly the type of player we want to be getting to our football club,” Hinkley said.
“Attracting the right type of people to our club is so important.
“But he also satisfies our list needs and we believe he can play a couple of roles for us over the next three years.
“Getting some outside run to the club was a priority going into this trade period and it is a tremendous result that we’ve been able to secure a player of Matt’s quality so early in this period.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-04/port-quick-to-sign-white
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We will get compensation for White. It's only delisted free agents that you won't get a component pick for. At the end of the trade period the AFL will determine what pick we get.
Thanks for clearing that up
I thought it was all Unrestricted Free Agents
But if we were to sign a FA we'd get nothing though?
It depends, sort of a 'balancing act' the AFL try to perform.
They look at what you lose and what you gain. Depends I think on the value and length of contracts the players sign and they figure it out with a 'special formula' which they keep up Andy D's clacker.
Ah hello young Richmond fan. You want to find out if you get compensation for losing Matty White? You must go on a quest up the fat wogs clacker.
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:lol :lol :lol No Lemmiwinks!
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:lol Fake!! There's no way Demetriou's intestines are that clean unless he's just had an Eddie Hi Colonic. ;D
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White departs Tigerland
richmondfc.com.au
October 4, 2013 1:36 PM
Richmond advises that Matthew White, as an unrestricted free agent, has informed the Club of his decision to sign with Port Adelaide.
White, 26, played 105 games and kicked 54 goals in an eight-year career with the Tigers.
His efforts in the 2013 season were acknowledged at the Jack Dyer Medal night this week, when he received the Club’s most improved player award.
“On behalf of the Club, I would like to thank Matty for his valuable contributions, and the fine service he has provided us with over the past eight years,” said Richmond’s General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-04/white-departs-tigerland
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
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There you go then, pity we cant get compensation for him.... :-\
Maybe we should of looked at a trade last year....we didn't did we??
Compensation is largely based on recent form. Maybe that's why he was named Most Improved?
Just sayin'. :whistle
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I'll take that as a no then?
why is it you feel that your statements, made with such conviction, cannot be held up to question?
i believe this nonsense started on the
How did you rate our 2013 season thread. It was then bought over here to this thread. i suggest anyone who wants to see what this about go over there and have a look i stand by everything ive said.
i reckon on both threads ive answeerd all questions. explained how simple it is to cut 8 - 10 with examples. nowhere have i said every pick will be an upgrade or should be an upgrade those unrealistic words are yours and yeahrights.
after some comments i made yeahright asked how do you cut 8-10 players and upgrade on them all.
to which at the start of my reply i said , at the end of the day duds are duds.
making an attempt to get better players and failing is better than doing nothing. i reckon few comments have summed up better exactly where i was coming from. yet they are ignored.
im not the one who has had the unrealistic and down right silly notion that every pick and player we take will be an upgrade.
but i do think a good process would be for us to cut the players ive mentioned and go thru a similar procees as ive suggested how many times now.
ive been asked a similar question 3 times now on two threads and every time i have replied on what we can do. ive had the decency to reply and actually read and try to take in the whole of whats been said. i cant say that for others.
for those who have a mind go over to that thread and see who has got his knickers in a knot and whos been unreasonable.
ffs i want us to use 4 nd picks how can i say any of those picks will be upgrades. i want us to use 4 nd picks as a minimum every yr. i do this knowing one or two are likely to fail. thats the nature of the nd. every club does similar.
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i want us to cut 3 rookies maybe 4 depending. if we cant bring in better skilled rookies than lonergan, verrier, and petterd and if we get a decent 2nd ruck stephenson, we should just quit. will the players be upgrades who is to say. if they have better skills and better physical attributes and have performed they will be a better chance of becoming afl standard players.
i also hope we do 1 trade one or two f/a or maybe a psd if we do one f/a. ive mentioned chapman jolly laidler for starters. replacing nahas derickx mcguane, white gone to port tuck retired theres 5 alreaqdy gone.
all ican say is ive kindly answered your questions every time and you refuse acknowledge what has been said instead focusing on what you want me to say.
i will say again i am not the one insisting every pick or player we use will be an upgrade. i will argue though when we have so many below standard players it is indeed better to try new players and maybe even fail with a few than hang onto players who dont even have a basic skill set to play afl.
now ive answered again im over the nit picking or the selective choosing of parts of posts now stuff of.
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well sorry to disapoint ya claw, but i'm gunna highlight one part of your post.
making an attempt to get better players and failing is better than doing nothing.
because i feel this is a pretty straight forward statement that cant really mean too much different from how it reads, and is the crux of the issue.
if you need to replace 8-10 blokes in one hit, you will be using 3-4 ND picks after pick 20. The likely hood of getting a 100 game player from these picks is around 30%, and some of the players that have made up the 30% that do get to 100 games have been average, including the 2 that left today. This figure also includes players who have not played the 100 games at the original club that drafted them, further reducing the odds.
So in your list management you are knowingly replacing average players with outright duds (not all, but some), going backwards and risk leaving yourself in the situation we were two years ago when injuries hit you have nothing but raw, untried players to try to fill the void.
The alternative is to cut the hacks over a period of time, so you are more likely to be replacing them with true upgrades.
A club coming off a 3-4 win season may be in a position to cut 10 players, but not a club that has made a steady rise up the ladder to play finals, unless you can get a large number of FAs.
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There you go then, pity we cant get compensation for him.... :-\
Maybe we should of looked at a trade last year....we didn't did we??
Compensation is largely based on recent form. Maybe that's why he was named Most Improved?
Just sayin'. :whistle
It's actually based on size of contract they got, takes all the pee and wind out of it
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based on both, i believe.
it is also based on net loss over the FA period.
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well sorry to disapoint ya claw, but i'm gunna highlight one part of your post.
making an attempt to get better players and failing is better than doing nothing.
because i feel this is a pretty straight forward statement that cant really mean too much different from how it reads, and is the crux of the issue.
if you need to replace 8-10 blokes in one hit, you will be using 3-4 ND picks after pick 20. The likely hood of getting a 100 game player from these picks is around 30%, and some of the players that have made up the 30% that do get to 100 games have been average, including the 2 that left today. This figure also includes players who have not played the 100 games at the original club that drafted them, further reducing the odds.
So in your list management you are knowingly replacing average players with outright duds (not all, but some), going backwards and risk leaving yourself in the situation we were two years ago when injuries hit you have nothing but raw, untried players to try to fill the void.
The alternative is to cut the hacks over a period of time, so you are more likely to be replacing them with true upgrades.
A club coming off a 3-4 win season may be in a position to cut 10 players, but not a club that has made a steady rise up the ladder to play finals, unless you can get a large number of FAs.
no matter where we go here we disagree. im coming from the premise we have 18 to 20 players atm of varying ages and experience who you could call below standard. cuttin 8 is needed and should be tried if possible.
no half of the players i want to trade take in nd f/a rookie are mature. chapman jolly mirra cain laidler as the examples ive given are 21 and older id expect senior footy out of them all. i certainly expect them all to be upgrades on the senior players we have delisted.
last yr it wasnt hard to come up with moloney sam dwyer kyle martin stefan martin and hannath all mature and then use the 4 nd picks we used.
imo keeping blokes like mcguane and white for 8 yrs is the reason why we have only played finals once in the last 13 yrs.
the real gripe with all of the ones i want out is they fail abysmally with skill set or physical attributes or consistent performance or in some cases all 3. its that simple.
i certainly disagree that my scenario would be replacing average players with duds. we are replacing duds apart from tuck and hopefully finding if we take 8 new players 4 or 5 upo to standard players. of course we will fail with nd and some trades. going by the averages 40% will fail. but if we find just 2 decent players who can play well in finals we are in front imo.
tuck white and mcguane are gone no matter what, we havent had to make a call on them. id have no problem and most wouldnt have a problem making a call on nahas derickx thats 5 from the list proper. chop 3 rookies and some of them are terrible.
lets say.
na bugger it lets just say we are not going to agree it all comes down to how you rate the list, for me it shallow with far too much reliance on too few, and the players, we just have too many non performers and below standard players. not many agree with me on both counts. i will say though i will voice what i think on what we should do as far as delistings and new faces go.
im over this debate so just let it be. lets move on. it sometimes feels lioke your being hounded for no other reason than your opinion is different.
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There you go then, pity we cant get compensation for him.... :-\
Maybe we should of looked at a trade last year....we didn't did we??
Compensation is largely based on recent form. Maybe that's why he was named Most Improved?
Just sayin'. :whistle
It's actually based on size of contract they got, takes all the pee and wind out of it
If that's the case you can say good by to pick 11 then and you'll see Salem running around in Black and White Stripes next year instead of the yellow Sash!
The size of the new contract makes no difference at all, it's based on recent form, current contract and personal awards I.E B&F finishes, Brownlow votes ect.
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Think White getting most improved is a bit embarrassing.
Guys been here for 8 years and ended up being out cliche sub. Thinking about that for a 2nd how on earth is he most improved?
Brandon Ellis should have won it. Rance, Jackson even Houli developed more than White did in my opinion. White started the year as a fringe player and ended the same way. If fit he wouldn't have played in the final ahead of Foley who missed out.
Seems a strange award when you think about it. No doubt he had a good year by his standards but think we may be trying to top up a compo pick here.
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Caecilius est in atrium and he's not happy! >:(
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i believe this nonsense started on the
How did you rate our 2013 season thread. It was then bought over here to this thread. i suggest anyone who wants to see what this about go over there and have a look i stand by everything ive said.
Thanks for that tip, but appealing as that sounds I need to take a crap and will regretfully have to pass
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Caecilius est in atrium and he's not happy! >:(
Vhitus est in culina, but beware cos it might get too hot !
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another thread along with the coburg bollocks to move from richmond rant
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Caecilius est in atrium and he's not happy! >:(
Quintus says pestis furcifer
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Matty White on why he left Richmond to go to Alberton ...
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/video/2014-01-20/ptv-matt-white-on-why-he-came-to-port-adelaide
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Whats with the stadium graphic in the background of their website?
Looks absolutely horrendous. AFL live 2003 styles. :shh
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Whats with the stadium graphic in the background of their website?
Looks absolutely horrendous. AFL live 2003 styles. :shh
Alberton Ears.
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Had a blinder coming on as sub today, 2 goals and a number of possessions, looked super quick in comparison to our guys.
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That's how he often looked coming on for us last year. We don't have a replacement for him yet which sucks.
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Good on him, they are on fire atm, look really strong, fit and fast. 3rd youngest list in the comp too.
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That's how he often looked coming on for us last year. We don't have a replacement for him yet which sucks.
Banfield is his replacement but he can't get anywhere as a rookie.
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That's how he often looked coming on for us last year. We don't have a replacement for him yet which sucks.
Banfield is his replacement but he can't get anywhere as a rookie.
Hence we don't have a replacement :-[
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Woeful decision to throw money at conca, ultimately squeezing white out of the pic.
As stated. We have no replacement.
Clever list management, fellas.
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conca will be a gun, had a major hammy op
where we messed up was keeping foley
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Foley for 3 years yeah? FFS...
Should have kept Whitey even if he was permanent sub...
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He s a perfect sub whitey a classic game of his where he ll chalk up 9-10 possies and kick a couple in a half, the weird thing is give him a full game and he ll generally only ever get 2 or 3 possies more than that, ::)
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Club wasnt prepared to give the length of contract that port were. it was not so much to do with money, they just weren't prepared to give an extended contract and put with with claws bitching for said period of time.
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Foley 3 years.
Whitey 1 year.
Laughable. Whitey was at least tough, quick and good by foot. Foley used to be all those things. And White tried hard. Richmond supporter who just wanted the club to win...
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Reality was whitey had one good year in his 8 at RFC and is oft plagued by dodgy hammies, we'd be derelict offering a player with a cv like that 3 years
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Didn't white leave because he didn't want to be a sub ffs get it right dudes
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Didn't white leave because he didn't want to be a sub ffs get it right dudes
Incorrect. He wanted a 3 year contract but probably would have accepted 2 - the club was only prepared to give him 1.
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Good on him, they are on fire atm, look really strong, fit and fast. 3rd youngest list in the comp too.
THAT IS NOT CORRECT OR EVEN RELEVANT. Whoops again i apologise for caps on.
There are 5 or 6 sides whos overall list age is younger than ports not sure cant be bothered looking it up. theres another 7 to 10 sides including port, again dont have the figures in front of me,who are all aged 23 yrs and so many days. its neither here nor there. who
what is relevant is the age of the players who will play the majority of games. to me about 25 players at all clubs will play more than half the games work out the age of these players. i bet ports top 25 are up there with most other clubs.
it really is a fallacy that most players under 22 yrs of age impact clubs seasons. the simple truth is most are in early development with no guarantee of them making it. trhe thing these players do do is impact the overall age of the list though.
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Correct. It's also the quality of your youth. Who have Port got coming through after Schulz? Bloke is 29 in a couple of weeks and one of the absolute key cogs in their team.
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Correct. It's also the quality of your youth. Who have Port got coming through after Schulz? Bloke is 29 in a couple of weeks and one of the absolute key cogs in their team.
They have the "Ball Butcher", John Butcher ;D
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Correct. It's also the quality of your youth. Who have Port got coming through after Schulz? Bloke is 29 in a couple of weeks and one of the absolute key cogs in their team.
They have the "Ball Butcher", John Butcher ;D
Wasn't he called "the future" or was that just in "the past"?
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Correct. It's also the quality of your youth. Who have Port got coming through after Schulz? Bloke is 29 in a couple of weeks and one of the absolute key cogs in their team.
Because of one player(Schulz) it leaves question marks?
maybe they'll go out and trade for a replacement like they did for Schulz? Maybe they already have him on the list and they(and we) don't know yet as they still develop) Looking at the players they have introduced into the side the past 12 months I think they are very well placed and if they are missing 1 or 2 pieces to the puzzle that's ok, they can focus on it in the coming years.
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Good on him, they are on fire atm, look really strong, fit and fast. 3rd youngest list in the comp too.
THAT IS NOT CORRECT OR EVEN RELEVANT. Whoops again i apologise for caps on.
There are 5 or 6 sides whos overall list age is younger than ports not sure cant be bothered looking it up. theres another 7 to 10 sides including port, again dont have the figures in front of me,who are all aged 23 yrs and so many days. its neither here nor there. who
what is relevant is the age of the players who will play the majority of games. to me about 25 players at all clubs will play more than half the games work out the age of these players. i bet ports top 25 are up there with most other clubs.
it really is a fallacy that most players under 22 yrs of age impact clubs seasons. the simple truth is most are in early development with no guarantee of them making it. trhe thing these players do do is impact the overall age of the list though.
You are correct, I heard it on the commentary but having a look they aren't actually the 3rd youngest. In terms of average, median, games played etc they are 4th or 5th youngest - either way, for mine they are well placed for the next several years
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Heard a snippet of an interview commentators had with Matty after the game and asked if he enjoyed being sub. He said it was not a position he wanted to play consistently in (his tone of voice was very cold) :lol
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Correct. It's also the quality of your youth. Who have Port got coming through after Schulz? Bloke is 29 in a couple of weeks and one of the absolute key cogs in their team.
Because of one player(Schulz) it leaves question marks?
maybe they'll go out and trade for a replacement like they did for Schulz? Maybe they already have him on the list and they(and we) don't know yet as they still develop) Looking at the players they have introduced into the side the past 12 months I think they are very well placed and if they are missing 1 or 2 pieces to the puzzle that's ok, they can focus on it in the coming years.
Was a genuine question. Not having a go at them. Just wasn't sure what they've got when he retires. He's very good and plays a very important position for them. Butcher sure as hell ain't going to be able to replace dead-eye Schulzy
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Was a genuine question. Not having a go at them. Just wasn't sure what they've got when he retires. He's very good and plays a very important position for them. Butcher sure as hell ain't going to be able to replace dead-eye Schulzy
They've got The Hoff. He goes alright
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Was a genuine question. Not having a go at them. Just wasn't sure what they've got when he retires. He's very good and plays a very important position for them. Butcher sure as hell ain't going to be able to replace dead-eye Schulzy
They've got The Hoff. He goes alright
He's already in the team though.
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That jumper tug :nope
Wonder if he got his Tiger tattoo changed to an electric eel?
I'm on him for the Magarey. Anyone know who he's playing for in the SANFL, might win their B&F too.
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That jumper tug :nope
Wonder if he got his Tiger tattoo changed to an electric eel?
I'm on him for the Magarey. Anyone know who he's playing for in the SANFL, might win their B&F too.
Don't they have their own SANFL team?
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That jumper tug :nope
Wonder if he got his Tiger tattoo changed to an electric eel?
I'm on him for the Magarey. Anyone know who he's playing for in the SANFL, might win their B&F too.
Don't they have their own SANFL team?
Might have to change the eel into a magpie then
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That jumper tug :nope
Wonder if he got his Tiger tattoo changed to an electric eel?
I'm on him for the Magarey. Anyone know who he's playing for in the SANFL, might win their B&F too.
Don't they have their own SANFL team?
Might have to change the eel into a magpie then
As long as he colours it in. :cheers
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Correct. It's also the quality of your youth. Who have Port got coming through after Schulz? Bloke is 29 in a couple of weeks and one of the absolute key cogs in their team.
They have the "Ball Butcher", John Butcher ;D
Wasn't he called "the future" or was that just in "the past"?
:clapping
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Good on him, they are on fire atm, look really strong, fit and fast. 3rd youngest list in the comp too.
THAT IS NOT CORRECT OR EVEN RELEVANT. Whoops again i apologise for caps on.
There are 5 or 6 sides whos overall list age is younger than ports not sure cant be bothered looking it up. theres another 7 to 10 sides including port, again dont have the figures in front of me,who are all aged 23 yrs and so many days. its neither here nor there. who
what is relevant is the age of the players who will play the majority of games. to me about 25 players at all clubs will play more than half the games work out the age of these players. i bet ports top 25 are up there with most other clubs.
it really is a fallacy that most players under 22 yrs of age impact clubs seasons. the simple truth is most are in early development with no guarantee of them making it. trhe thing these players do do is impact the overall age of the list though.
yep. average age would have to be one of the most misleading useless stats thrown about in football.
What is more important is number of players in each age group, or probably more relevant number of games played ie, 0 -100, 100-200, 200+
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White decided to test the free agency market late last year after deciding his future no longer rested at Punt Road.
It was a tough decision – he loved the Tigers – but Power coach Ken Hinkley offered the 26-year-old greater opportunity and White made the move.
"As much as I loved Richmond and it'd be nice to still be there playing with the boys and helping out the team, I didn't see myself playing a lot of footy there.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-13/white-pays-back-power
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Grigg. Houli. King. Petard
Keeping his spot warm
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What an embarrassment watching this bloke now while we are paying the same money to tambling, grigg and shithard
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What an embarrassment watching this bloke now while we are paying the same money to tambling, grigg and poohard
Tambling..??
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What an embarrassment watching this bloke now while we are paying the same money to tambling, grigg and poohard
Just reading Bout this game on the afl website, ......."A goal to Matt White in the first 2 mins of the final quarter wrestled back the lead for port"......... :chuck
Its amazing what other clubs can do with our players, should send grigg and co over there for pre season next next year :shh. Will come back a champ
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RFC is a joke when it comes to development and rebuilding. Port Adelaide have gone right past us in terms of development. Its shameful that after 34 years we still cant fire a shot and other clubs go right past us at a rate of knots. Its a deadset disgrace.
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he was showing some really strong signs last season and played some great cameos. Not a big surprise he's gone on with it, we should have kept this bloke ahead of a fair few others. Good luck to him, he often says "I didn't see myself playing much footy there" so he obviously felt the coaching staff didn't really rate him
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What an embarrassment watching this bloke now while we are paying the same money to tambling, grigg and poohard
Tambling..??
Slang for S.Edwards....
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he was showing some really strong signs last season and played some great cameos. Not a big surprise he's gone on with it, we should have kept this bloke ahead of a fair few others. Good luck to him, he often says "I didn't see myself playing much footy there" so he obviously felt the coaching staff didn't really rate him
They finally go pave hm a go last season and we got the rewards, port are giving him a massive opportunity and aren't they are being rewarded in spades
IMHO it's an indictment on the club that they let him go without giving much of a yelp.
They can blame FA (like Dimma did on "On the couch" but may be if they had worked a bit harder and showed some intent in wanting to keep him.... Then things might be different
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he was showing some really strong signs last season and played some great cameos. Not a big surprise he's gone on with it, we should have kept this bloke ahead of a fair few others. Good luck to him, he often says "I didn't see myself playing much footy there" so he obviously felt the coaching staff didn't really rate him
That's the telling remark, and was prob hammered home in the RFC side of contract negotiations that he was by no means a lock in the current side , he has gone on and taken his game up a notch, avg 15-20 possies and 2 G a game is about a 25% improvement on his breakout year!, unusual to be seeing such improvement at 27yo....good luck to him
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he was showing some really strong signs last season and played some great cameos. Not a big surprise he's gone on with it, we should have kept this bloke ahead of a fair few others. Good luck to him, he often says "I didn't see myself playing much footy there" so he obviously felt the coaching staff didn't really rate him
That's the telling remark, and was prob hammered home in the RFC side of contract negotiations that he was by no means a lock in the current side , he has gone on and taken his game up a notch, avg 15-20 possies and 2 G a game is about a 25% improvement on his breakout year!, unusual to be seeing such improvement at 27yo....good luck to him
unusual? no its just the RFC.
we cant even develop first round picks (jack, Dusty) how could we have any chance with White.
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It won't last
You read it here first
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It won't last
You read it here first
Do tell
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he was showing some really strong signs last season and played some great cameos. Not a big surprise he's gone on with it, we should have kept this bloke ahead of a fair few others. Good luck to him, he often says "I didn't see myself playing much footy there" so he obviously felt the coaching staff didn't really rate him
That's the telling remark, and was prob hammered home in the RFC side of contract negotiations that he was by no means a lock in the current side , he has gone on and taken his game up a notch, avg 15-20 possies and 2 G a game is about a 25% improvement on his breakout year!, unusual to be seeing such improvement at 27yo....good luck to him
unusual? no its just the RFC.
we cant even develop first round picks (jack, Dusty) how could we have any chance with White.
Yes it is unusual, tell me the last 27 yo that took 8 or so years to knock up 100 games go on and raise his game to another level, they invariably flop, be it form or fitness/injury, the footy graveyard is absolutely full of them. Knights is a perfect example , Clinton young , Quentin lynch, mark Williams , bris have had a heap of them,
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Whitey should be on the phone to the Tigers with some port training secrets
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Jade Rawlings another good example , PA were kissed on the dick by a fairy how things have unfolded
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Yes it is unusual, tell me the last 27 yo that took 8 or so years to knock up 100 games go on and raise his game to another level, they invariably flop, be it form or fitness/injury, the footy graveyard is absolutely full of them. ,
Schulz.
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Lol, there's a theme happening, I reckon they're two of 20 that have gone alright
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what a bunch of chicken littles.
moaning because we hang onto far too many players for way too long and then bemoan letting players go who were nothing but chronic underachievers. scared to see players go because they may get better.
well people we cant have our cake and eat it too. sometimes in turning players over you will let the odd good one go.
heres a list of players from 03 onwards could not be bothered going back any further that have been traded out. gone in f/a or delisted and have then been picked up.
torney, ben holland, fiora, OTTENS, zantuck, krakouer, meyer, jon, SCHULZ, pattison, raines, collins, tambling, morton, graham, derickx, mcguane, nahas, and white.
the only two i lament losing are the two in capital letters.
it really is in the main a list of mediocrity.
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Who cares, hes gone. thread should be closed.
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what a bunch of chicken littles.
moaning because we hang onto far too many players for way too long and then bemoan letting players go who were nothing but chronic underachievers. scared to see players go because they may get better.
well people we cant have our cake and eat it too. sometimes in turning players over you will let the odd good one go.
heres a list of players from 03 onwards could not be bothered going back any further that have been traded out. gone in f/a or delisted and have then been picked up.
torney, ben holland, fiora, OTTENS, zantuck, krakouer, meyer, jon, SCHULZ, pattison, raines, collins, tambling, morton, graham, derickx, mcguane, nahas, and white.
the only two i lament losing are the two in capital letters.
it really is in the main a list of mediocrity.
To be fair, Krakouer had to leave to do time. He was a gun at Collingwood when he came back.
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what a bunch of chicken littles.
moaning because we hang onto far too many players for way too long and then bemoan letting players go who were nothing but chronic underachievers. scared to see players go because they may get better.
well people we cant have our cake and eat it too. sometimes in turning players over you will let the odd good one go.
heres a list of players from 03 onwards could not be bothered going back any further that have been traded out. gone in f/a or delisted and have then been picked up.
torney, ben holland, fiora, OTTENS, zantuck, krakouer, meyer, jon, SCHULZ, pattison, raines, collins, tambling, morton, graham, derickx, mcguane, nahas, and white.
the only two i lament losing are the two in capital letters.
it really is in the main a list of mediocrity.
that's it claw, dare I say it but you've pretty well underlined the theme of my point, 90% of the time it NEVER turns out for the better as we re experiencing with chris knights, similar profile , long time not many games at crows ...PA are lucky arseholes, no doubt
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If you look at many of the games last year, Matty White was instrumental in turning the game. Those sort of players should never be released.
I think we should move on though as he is not coming back…... :(
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If you look at many of the games last year, Matty White was instrumental in turning the game. Those sort of players should never be released.
I think we should move on though as he is not coming back…... :(
Agree x 100 on both counts. maybe look at playing McBean and show the love. Nothing worse than being selected then thrown out after 2 games. No wonder these players have difficulty. Tom DX is going Ok and he is getting a game every week.
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If you look at many of the games last year, Matty White was instrumental in turning the game. Those sort of players should never be released.
I think we should move on though as he is not coming back…... :(
Held back in his career cause he had dumb coaches like Wallace, Rawlings, Royal, & whoeva else l want to forget.
But he also must pay the price for not stepping up to the next level.
l agree 100% on what you say about him turning games with his burst of speed & some very timely goals
one that we should have kept & send Edwards home instead
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It's obvious now that we should have kept Whitey, but to be fair, not many on here were complaining when we let him go. Hindsight...
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It's obvious now that we should have kept Whitey, but to be fair, not many on here were complaining when we let him go. Hindsight...
Well like none
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It's obvious now that we should have kept Whitey, but to be fair, not many on here were complaining when we let him go. Hindsight...
mate im still over the moon hes gone.
look at his time with us it was bloody pathetic.
good on him if he improves and plays well at port. for us he was a 8 yr failure. he did next to nothing for us and it was the right thing to offer him what we did.
people forget we offered him a contract based on what he had dished up over his 8 yrs any contract was a generous contract at that because he has struggled to demand he stays on the list yet alone a spot in the team.
ffs people we participate in a system where players leave thru f/a get traded get delisted. if players perform at other clubs we should not be moaning and groaning, that is a part of the process. you will have your wins and you will have your losses people just have to learn to accept that is the way of things.
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It's obvious now that we should have kept Whitey, but to be fair, not many on here were complaining when we let him go. Hindsight...
mate im still over the moon hes gone.
look at his time with us it was bloody pathetic.
good on him if he improves and plays well at port. for us he was a 8 yr failure. he did next to nothing for us and it was the right thing to offer him what we did.
people forget we offered him a contract based on what he had dished up over his 8 yrs any contractwas a generous contract at that.
I agree, not that upset that he has left. Good luck to him though. I like the way Port are playing, I wish we could run and chase like they do.
I remember when Rodan was going well over there too, but I didn't want him back. He was to unpredictable with the footy in his hands. Didn't end all that well for them.
We need to find better, players that will stand up in big games.
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Port remind me a bit of the Bombers, start the season really well and taper of as the season progresses.
I wonder what will happen this year.
They do look good in April and May.
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Who cares, hes gone. thread should be closed.
:clapping :clapping
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They do look good in April and May.
They were good last year when they lost 5 in a row after round 5.
Port remind me a bit of the Bombers, start the season really well and taper of as the season progresses.
Yeah Port were arse when they beat Collingwood in finals and then played a quality game against Geelong in the semi.
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They do look good in April and May.
They were good last year when they lost 5 in a row after round 5.
Port remind me a bit of the Bombers, start the season really well and taper of as the season progresses.
Yeah Port were arse when they beat Collingwood in finals and then played a quality game against Geelong in the semi.
Your a closet Port supporter aren't you big fella... ;D
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Not in the closet at all. I do support Port and have done for a while now.
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Port are the South Australian Collingwood. Supporting Port is the equivalent of supporting Collingwood.
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Snip! Back to discussing the topic ppl.
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I am an illiterate, disadvantaged port power following tiger fan who has always enjoyed the way matt white has sprinted on and off the interchange bench.
I believe he is bringing Tiger and Port fans closer together despite the unpleasantness in this thread. I would hope they play for the "Matt Whites, he's alright Cup" this year when they line up against each other with the lightning boot awarded to the fastest interchange
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I am an illiterate, disadvantaged port power following tiger fan who has always enjoyed the way matt white has sprinted on and off the interchange bench.
I believe he is bringing Tiger and Port fans closer together despite the unpleasantness in this thread. I would hope they play for the "Matt Whites, he's alright Cup" this year when they line up against each other with the lightning boot awarded to the fastest interchange
:clapping
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Matthew White 13 goals in 2014, playing as the sub in half his games.
Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin have kicked a combined 15 goals.
DM and TC on a combined 1 million dollars a season more than Whitey. ( just a guess)
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Matthew White 13 goals in 2014, playing as the sub in half his games.
Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin have kicked a combined 15 goals.
DM and TC on a combined 1 million dollars a season more than Whitey. ( just a guess)
A little unfair as White is neither tagged nor has he played off half back this year. I agree that we have missed his run and goal kicking though. The problem with getting rid of him is that we never replaced him with an upgrade. All we did is just lose him.
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Matthew White 13 goals in 2014, playing as the sub in half his games.
Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin have kicked a combined 15 goals.
DM and TC on a combined 1 million dollars a season more than Whitey. ( just a guess)
Martin deserves a fair bit of criticism because he has definitely underperformed this year to date. However the comparison between Cotchin and White is ridiculous. Cotchin has carried a team full of passengers for over a month and is required to do everything from winning the contest, setting up hand ball chains, and driving the ball i50, only to have to run back and get the ball out of the d50
White is averaging 16.4 possessions where 5 of them are contested. Cotchin is averaging 25.7 where 11 are contested. White doesn't get tagged like Cotchin does either.
I'm bummed White left RFC as well. Believe me, with the direction the game is taking I thought it was crap we let him go. But let's not go over board and suggest that he is better value than Cotchin.
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superstar
like mcgaune
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A little unfair as White is neither tagged nor has he played off half back this year. I agree that we have missed his run and goal kicking though. The problem with getting rid of him is that we never replaced him with an upgrade. All we did is just lose him.
That to me is the crux of the issue.
If we had as a minimum a natural replacement but preferably an upgrade then the discussion becomes a mute point
Simply fact is we didn't/haven't hence, why we keep discussing it
Club erred not so much in not matching the Port offer but by not replacing him with a "like for like"
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conca and martin carrying on like a pork chop would not have aided contract negotiations with white tbf to the rfc
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I loved Whitey.
Great club man.
Couldnt be happier for him playing in a professional outfit.
Go Matty!!!
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He plays for PA, I care as much for MW as I do Jared Impey . I would ask mods ban all threads and posts relating to port Adelaide players in the RFC forum, just a thought ::)
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Indeed, that's just all it is. :lol
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That said, I'd like an explanation for the mods on the relaxation of standards ::)
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conca and martin carrying on like a pork chop would not have aided contract negotiations with white tbf to the rfc
no doubt
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conca and martin carrying on like a pork chop would not have aided contract negotiations with white tbf to the rfc
no doubt
If i was Matty, I'd have been over the interest they showed in conquer
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That said, I'd like an explanation for the mods on the relaxation of standards ::)
What are you talking about ::)
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l wouldn't go as far as saying we have not replaced him. The club still has some untried players like Miles & Lennon who look just as dangerous with ball in hand. l'm prepared to sit back & watch the progress of the year. We are missing a Tuck protector type player.
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That said, I'd like an explanation for the mods on the relaxation of standards ::)
What are you talking about ::)
Dementia. Disregard.
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That said, I'd like an explanation for the mods on the relaxation of standards ::)
What are you talking about ::)
Whatever it is, it's important to him... ;D
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Matty White's departure is further evidence that Hardwick has failed as coach of the Richmond Football Club. Why was White stuck at reserve level and as a sub when he was clearly a better player than half the players on our list that were gifted games ahead of him.
Hinkley got rid of Thomas and gained White. It wasn't a complicated decision for him to work out what Port needed going forward. Electric pace, highly skilled goal kicker and match winner or slow, in and under plodder with awful skills. It was too hard for Hardwick to work out though.
Pretty sure Hardwick got rid of Schultz as well when he arrived. Schultz was a very good player for Richmond but shared the same fate as White, with limited opportunities having to share a forward line with Richo. Having his spot in the side taken by Vickery in his last year was just the icing.
With Richo retiring, getting rid of Schultz was befuddling.
Hardwick isn't just a bad match day coach or poor leader of men. His value system where footballers are concerned is all wrong.
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orabronze man sacked Schiltz
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Schultz was ready to try another club. He'd been given enough chances. White is a little contentious I guess but read back a couple of years on his thread. Some of us have short memories. I'd like to bump this thread in a year or two.
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Can't believe I'm doing this didn't want to add to 40 pages of nothing, f it
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PA player don't care , nil interest :banghead :wallywink :whistle
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PA player don't care , nil interest :banghead :wallywink :whistle
Agree BJ. This thread shouldn't be now on Richmond Rant. We've discussed it to death and he is now well and truly a Port player. Move it to View from the Outer. Thanks mods.
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^^^^^^^Like^^^^^^^^^
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PA player don't care , nil interest :banghead :wallywink :whistle
Agree BJ. This thread shouldn't be now on Richmond Rant. We've discussed it to death and he is now well and truly a Port player. Move it to View from the Outer. Thanks mods.
Most assuredly,
however with the rfc having made so many mistakes and errors over the years, (they far outnumber the victories) what else is there to discuss?
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Is it possible that in one preseason PA have developed White and in Sydney's case Big X better than we did in the eight seasons White was with us?
White was good last year in spurts but nothing like he has been this year. Even his kicking seems better?
Is it development?
Whatever it is, I'm happy to talk about any ex-Tiger player, and I hope they all do well.
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maybe port play him for longer spells
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PA player don't care , nil interest :banghead :wallywink :whistle
Agree BJ. This thread shouldn't be now on Richmond Rant. We've discussed it to death and he is now well and truly a Port player. Move it to View from the Outer. Thanks mods.
Most assuredly,
however with the rfc having made so many mistakes and errors over the years, (they far outnumber the victories) what else is there to discuss?
Girl hit with shovel? The A-HA Remix?
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C'mon folks, big Derrick's is still a poo truck. Sydney were desperate. Let's not go overboard.
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Who gives a crap if this thread is in Richmond Rant or another section? Footy being discussed is what this forum is about I thought. We don't ask for a "delusional" board for all of BJ's posts to be placed.
Is it possible that in one preseason PA have developed White and in Sydney's case Big X better than we did in the eight seasons White was with us?
White was good last year in spurts but nothing like he has been this year. Even his kicking seems better?
Is it development?
Whatever it is, I'm happy to talk about any ex-Tiger player, and I hope they all do well.
:thumbsup
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We don't ask for a "delusional" board for all of BJ's posts to be placed.
Pretty shrewd idea just quietly :shh.
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We don't ask for a "delusional" board for all of BJ's posts to be placed.
Pretty shrewd idea just quietly :shh.
You been looking through my mail again Slick? :shh
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We don't ask for a "delusional" board for all of BJ's posts to be placed.
Pretty shrewd idea just quietly :shh.
You been looking through my mail again Slick? :shh
Yeah mate. Borrowed the latest issue of "Bears World" too. Hope that's cool.
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Well if you wAnt to turn the quality posters away in droves then continue with threads about rival players on a richmond board. People don't like it, I'm telling ya :shh
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PA player don't care , nil interest :banghead :wallywink :whistle
Agree BJ. This thread shouldn't be now on Richmond Rant. We've discussed it to death and he is now well and truly a Port player. Move it to View from the Outer. Thanks mods.
Serious question has this happened to the threads of other players who've left the Tiges?
If you don't want to read about Matt I'd suggest you don't open the thread, no one is forcing you to.
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PA player don't care , nil interest :banghead :wallywink :whistle
Agree BJ. This thread shouldn't be now on Richmond Rant. We've discussed it to death and he is now well and truly a Port player. Move it to View from the Outer. Thanks mods.
Serious question has this happened to the threads of other players who've left the Tiges?
If you don't want to read about Matt I'd suggest you don't open the thread, no one is forcing you to.
Obviously you have misunderstood me. I'm not advocating not having a thread on ex Richmond players. However, this thread should be on View from the Outer as he is now OBVIOUSLY ON THE OUTER!!!!!!!!! This would not stop posters from still discussing this if they wished to. To paraphrase you, no one is forcing you not to.
We have had 20 pages of this stuff on what is supposedly a Richmond team/player board. I would have thought that it is more than enough and the mods should move it. They seem to do that about other things that are now not related to Richmond. I don't think it's unreasonable request as I am only asking them to follow their own rules.....
And to answer your question, I don't keep count of how much time has been put into other former tigers that have gone to other teams so it's impossible to know if 20 pages of discussion or more has occurred with these players. If it has then those discussions also should have been moved to View from the Outer IMHO.
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While i always rated Schulz's ability, it was the right thing to do for him and us, he was never going to get to where he is now with us, Im just spewing we didnt take ports offer the year before we traded. Think it was a pick around 20ish? anyhow we probably would have peeed it up against the wall
White on the otherhand was clearly trending upwards last season, yeah people will point to stats but fact is he was impacting most games he was involved in. In the final I found myself wishing he was out there. Think we erred in not doing more to keep him.
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Firstly, in answer to this question from Mr Magic:
Serious question has this happened to the threads of other players who've left the Tiges?
Short answer is this: there has been the odd 1-2 or that have been moved (eg Ben Cousins) but usually no we don't move them
Now onto this:
Obviously you have misunderstood me. I'm not advocating not having a thread on ex Richmond players. However, this thread should be on View from the Outer as he is now OBVIOUSLY ON THE OUTER!!!!!!!!! This would not stop posters from still discussing this if they wished to. To paraphrase you, no one is forcing you not to.
We have had 20 pages of this stuff on what is supposedly a Richmond team/player board. I would have thought that it is more than enough and the mods should move it. They seem to do that about other things that are now not related to Richmond. I don't think it's unreasonable request as I am only asking them to follow their own rules.....And to answer your question, I don't keep count of how much time has been put into other former tigers that have gone to other teams so it's impossible to know if 20 pages of discussion or more has occurred with these players. If it has then those discussions also should have been moved to View from the Outer IMHO.
A couple of points
* what we usually move is the stuff that has nothing to do with Richmond, past, present or future. Perfect example a thread started about the "Douglas Bump' that was started on this board. It was moved because it had nothing to do with Richmond. There is a clear difference I would have though
* Interestingly we didn't have anyone complaing the other the week when we played Brisbane and folks posted in the Luke McGuane thread; meaning it made a re-appearance after not being touched for a period of time
* I would argue that the recent discussions in this thread are more about the Club's recruiting and retaining of players than the actual player himself. Good or bad to see someone do as well as White is at the moment and to see us not having anyone filling that role has raised an interesting debate and having re-read the last few pages that is what is making up the most recent discussion here. Perhaps you think we should split the discussions and create a whole new thread??
* Finally, don't take this the wrong way YBB, but you started a thread on this very board about Richard Tambling retiring. Richie hadn't been at Richmond for over 3 years & (obviously) at the time of his retirement he wasn't a RFC player. But again like the McGaune scenario there wasn't any request to have it moved :-\ So I'd ask doesn't that sort of go against what you are arguing here?
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Firstly, in answer to this question from Mr Magic:
Serious question has this happened to the threads of other players who've left the Tiges?
Short answer is this: there has been the odd 1-2 or that have been moved (eg Ben Cousins) but usually no we don't move them
Now onto this:
Obviously you have misunderstood me. I'm not advocating not having a thread on ex Richmond players. However, this thread should be on View from the Outer as he is now OBVIOUSLY ON THE OUTER!!!!!!!!! This would not stop posters from still discussing this if they wished to. To paraphrase you, no one is forcing you not to.
We have had 20 pages of this stuff on what is supposedly a Richmond team/player board. I would have thought that it is more than enough and the mods should move it. They seem to do that about other things that are now not related to Richmond. I don't think it's unreasonable request as I am only asking them to follow their own rules.....And to answer your question, I don't keep count of how much time has been put into other former tigers that have gone to other teams so it's impossible to know if 20 pages of discussion or more has occurred with these players. If it has then those discussions also should have been moved to View from the Outer IMHO.
A couple of points
* what we usually move is the stuff that has nothing to do with Richmond, past, present or future. Perfect example a thread started about the "Douglas Bump' that was started on this board. It was moved because it had nothing to do with Richmond. There is a clear difference I would have though
* Interestingly we didn't have anyone complaing the other the week when we played Brisbane and folks posted in the Luke McGuane thread; meaning it made a re-appearance after not being touched for a period of time
* I would argue that the recent discussions in this thread are more about the Club's recruiting and retaining of players than the actual player himself. Good or bad to see someone do as well as White is at the moment and to see us not having anyone filling that role has raised an interesting debate and having re-read the last few pages that is what is making up the most recent discussion here. Perhaps you think we should split the discussions and create a whole new thread??
* Finally, don't take this the wrong way YBB, but you started a thread on this very board about Richard Tambling retiring. Richie hadn't been at Richmond for over 3 years & (obviously) at the time of his retirement he wasn't a RFC player. But again like the McGaune scenario there wasn't any request to have it moved :-\ So I'd ask doesn't that sort of go against what you are arguing here?
I'd just like to reiterate that I said having 20 plus pages of repetitive stuff post his leaving of the tiges was enough. I never said that nothing should ever be posted on here that involves past players. White is well and truly a port player now. We need to move on.
As for Richie, he contributed to the RFC in many ways other than just football. Acknowledging him in his retirement is hardly the same as what I am talking about! Dont you think WP?
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Well if you wAnt to turn the quality posters away in droves then continue with threads about rival players on a richmond board. People don't like it, I'm telling ya :shh
Incorrect.
As a quality veteran poster on this site, (with consensus being im in the top 3), i wish to advise you that such threads are unlikely to drive myself and my fellow droves away.
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As for Richie, he contributed to the RFC in many ways other than just football. Acknowledging him in his retirement is hardly the same as what I am talking about! Dont you think WP?
Sorry but no I don't.
Whether it is 1 page or 20-40 pages, facts are as I said before outside a couple of threads we haven't moved threads about players no longer at the club and there have been no complaints until now.
What has been moved are threads that have nothing to do with the RFC. We have been very consistent with this as we've applied the same "rules" (your term BTW not mine) since the forum started.
As for the Tambling thread I used it as an example because it perfectly highlights that we have always allowed threads about former players being on the Richmond board; even players who in Tambling's case had been gone from the Club for 3 years.
Don't think you can have it both ways
So we'll have to agree to disagree
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As for Richie, he contributed to the RFC in many ways other than just football. Acknowledging him in his retirement is hardly the same as what I am talking about! Dont you think WP?
Sorry but no I don't.
Whether it is 1 page or 20-40 pages, facts are as I said before outside a couple of threads we haven't moved threads about players no longer at the club and there have been no complaints until now.
What has been moved are threads that have nothing to do with the RFC. We have been very consistent with this as we've applied the same "rules" (your term BTW not mine) since the forum started.
As for the Tambling thread I used it as an example because it perfectly highlights that we have always allowed threads about former players being on the Richmond board; even players who in Tambling's case had been gone from the Club for 3 years.
Don't think you can have it both ways
So we'll have to agree to disagree
Ok. ;D
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Pull your head in, YBB.
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Move thread pls mods
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Move thread pls mods
:lol
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Move thread pls mods
Hi Judge,
As previously advised the thread will remain.
I would ask kindly on behalf of us mods for everyone to refrain from further off~topic posts and remind all posters of the three strike rule.
Regards,
Dooks.
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Hi dooks
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Well if you wAnt to turn the quality posters away in droves then continue with threads about rival players on a richmond board. People don't like it, I'm telling ya :shh
Incorrect.
As a quality veteran poster on this site, (with consensus being im in the top 3), i wish to advise you that such threads are unlikely to drive myself and my fellow droves away.
You,represent yourself my friend and you re welcome to your opinion, for mine this thread is a load of tripe and has no more relevance than discussing the fed budget on the board :banghead :sleep :wallywink
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yet here you are racking up post counts in it
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Well if you wAnt to turn the quality posters away in droves then continue with threads about rival players on a richmond board. People don't like it, I'm telling ya :shh
Incorrect.
As a quality veteran poster on this site, (with consensus being im in the top 3), i wish to advise you that such threads are unlikely to drive myself and my fellow droves away.
You haven't been registered on here for a year. Hardly a veteran, pull ya head in. Agree with everything else
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Another bloody thread about an ex RFC player that no one really cares about.. :santa :banghead :birthday :whistle :police: :angel: :gotigers :cheers :'( :gobdrop :huh ;D :sleep
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Yet you're posting in his thread. Count to potato before you press 'post'.
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Yet you're posting in his thread. Count to potato before you press 'post'.
Thought you were quicker or more onto it coach. Go look in the Derickx thread mate, get with the program.. ;)
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No I'm sweet bro. You just need to calm down by the look of things. I'm actually a little worried
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No I'm sweet bro. You just need to calm down by the look of things. I'm actually a little worried
All good coach....all good. :thumbsup
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No I'm sweet bro. You just need to calm down by the look of things. I'm actually a little worried
A non Richmond player is on the Richmond section. You can see how one would be worried.
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Well if you wAnt to turn the quality posters away in droves then continue with threads about rival players on a richmond board. People don't like it, I'm telling ya :shh
Incorrect.
As a quality veteran poster on this site, (with consensus being im in the top 3), i wish to advise you that such threads are unlikely to drive myself and my fellow droves away.
You,represent yourself my friend and you re welcome to your opinion, for mine this thread is a load of tripe and has no more relevance than discussing the fed budget on the board :banghead :sleep :wallywink
I represent the greater good and, for your benefit, youd be suprised how many complaints i and the other mods recieve from your kind.
I would suggest a bit of self discipline and common sense.
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Hello dooks. How do you do?
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Who's idea was it to have this guy playin sub every game for us?
Killing it at port, good on him.
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Gone & where this thread should go to another part of the site :banghead
watched him kick 2 goals in a minute after l turned Pathetic Richmond off from over using the ball.
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Well that was the same game I've seen from White heaps of times, one good goal and the rest of the game mediocrity
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Precisely , couple of stuff ups masked by a great running goal....average game
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2 out of 10
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Morris should have stayed goal side and he would have got him
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Goal of the year
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Goal of the year
Yep, cracking goal. Don't know how he managed to kick it from the fifty after that run! :clapping
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Goal of the year
As a fan of football, I really enjoyed that goal.
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Love Whitey!
Great goal.
LMAO@ Morris with his KFC arm getting burned off.
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only just, though
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Tug your jumper today, F off whitey Idgaf
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goal of the year. hahaha
Please
Marcus B leaves that for dead. He can run faster than Morris who eventually fell to the ground, yet again
Woopty bloody doo
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wasn't it a fiasco we let him go?
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wasn't it a fiasco we let him go?
negative sweetheart
Played a good game just not goal of the year.
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Love Whitey!
Great goal.
LMAO@ Morris with his KFC arm getting burned off.
As Bents said, I thought Morris made a tactical blue by getting in behind Whitey in the chase. I reckon if he had kept him 'outside' then he wouldn't have been able to get a shot away.
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wasn't it a fiasco we let him go?
negative sweetheart
Played a good game just not goal of the year.
lmao
you flip flop more than... umm... flip flops
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wasn't it a fiasco we let him go?
negative sweetheart
Played a good game just not goal of the year.
lmao
you flip flop more than... umm... flip flops
okay it was goal of the year, my bad
Better than Marcus Bontempelli
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Love Whitey!
Great goal.
LMAO@ Morris with his KFC arm getting burned off.
As Bents said, I thought Morris made a tactical blue by getting in behind Whitey in the chase. I reckon if he had kept him 'outside' then he wouldn't have been able to get a shot away.
LMAO
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wasn't it a fiasco we let him go?
negative sweetheart
Played a good game just not goal of the year.
lmao
you flip flop more than... umm... flip flops
okay it was goal of the year, my bad
Better than Marcus Bontempelli
yeah, of course thats that point.
lmao
again
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Tug your jumper today, F off whitey Idgaf
Did he really , that little ___, how dare he :clapping
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Tug your jumper today, F off whitey Idgaf
Did he really , that little ___, how dare he :clapping
as did Chaplain after he snapped his second goal.
Nothing wrong with that from white.
CUB you get offended by that. Please.
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Tug your jumper today, F off whitey Idgaf
Did he really , that little ___, how dare he :clapping
as did Chaplain after he snapped his second goal.
Nothing wrong with that from white.
CUB you get offended by that. Please.
Theres everything wrong with it, it was a richmond home crowd unless I'm mistaken , he can shove the jumper up his clacker for all we care , ::)
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Thorpe
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Not offended nuff man it's an insult to Richmond wtf are you doing here fo u idiot Thorpe cs mf
Go barrack fir port and smfd
hehe
whats smfd stand for?
I would suggest the first 2 letters are "suck my" - you can probably get the rest from that. ;D
Footlong Dog?
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Footlong Dog?
Are you Robin Nahas?
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Footlong Dog?
Are you Robin Nahas?
:Lol I wish
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Still average.
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Still average.
Apart from the goal he had a crap game
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Loved it when he stuffed up in the middle caused a turnover and goallllllllllll . Gold I thought :clapping
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Missed two sitters in the first quarter too. Oh well.
(http://theamericanreligion.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/tumblr_mb3jv9aubv1rwl09fo1_500.gif)
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It's not that this dude is a superstar or anything.
But it sh!ts me that all he wanted was a second year and we offered him one.
Guys like Grigg, Titch, Foley etc get thrown 2-3 year deals like its nothing.
He's a line-breaker and we need somebody who can run like that.
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White would've chased White down.
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Na didn't run two ways :whistle
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Former Tiger Matt White produces one of the goals of the year but Richmond beats Port at Etihad Stadium
Rebecca Williams
Herald-Sun
July 14, 2014
AT THE end of the day, the scoreboard did not reflect a happy homecoming for Port Adelaide speedster Matt White facing his old club for the first time.
The Power suffered a 20-point loss to the Tigers, there was plenty of attention from his former teammates early on, not to mention a shaky start when his first two shots at goal went through for behinds in the opening quarter.
But White, who joined Port this season after eight years at Richmond, produced one of the highlights of the game with his brilliant final-quarter run that was immediately being hailed as a goal of the year contender.
White gathered the ball at half-back, ran full tilt up the wing with three bounces, burning off a chasing Steve Morris in the process, before unloading from 50m to goal.
“I saw Stevie Morris running at me and I knew that if I could just get him back inside, I might have a chance of getting away from him,'' White said of his run after the game.
“I tried to suck him in as much as I could and I was lucky enough to get around him and finish the goal with a very mongrel punt goal but it was nice to see that one go through.
“(I was going at) about 90 per cent and when he got closer I really put it down. It was nice to kick a nice goal like that, just disappointed we couldn't get the win.”
The goal was one two for White, his first coming after two behinds in the opening quarter, which he savoured against the backdrop of jeering from sections of the Richmond crowd.
“I was pretty happy to get the first one. I missed two early that I thought I should have kicked,'' White said.
“But to finish off with two, I was pretty happy with. Disappointed we didn't get the win, but did some nice things out there today.'' Richmond coach Damien Hardwick this week acknowledged how important the 27-year-old speedster had been for Port this season and suggested he would get plenty of attention from his former teammates.
White admitted he had been on the receiving end early in the match from the Tigers.
“It was difficult, the boys got into me a little bit early, which I knew was going to happen and bounce me around,” White said.
“I got a nice little elbow in the side of the head at one point just in the bottom of the pack. But that's all right, it was always going to happen.
“I hope I left the place on good terms. It was a decision for me to come and play some more footy and it's working for me and I wish the club all the best and I've just got to keep going now and look to finish the year off strongly and have a fair crack towards the end of the year.'' White has played 15 matches with the Power this year, producing career-best numbers in his ninth AFL season.
He said the decision to move was the right one for his game. “I am really happy with the move,” White said.
“I've come to a great place, we obviously haven't had the last couple of weeks that we wanted but this has definitely been the right move for me and my partner and hopefully I can repay Port Adelaide football club with some good performances to finish off the year.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/former-tiger-matt-white-produces-one-of-the-goals-of-the-year-but-richmond-beats-port-at-etihad-stadium/story-fndv8s6g-1226987389878
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“I hope I left the place on good terms. It was a decision for me to come and play some more footy and it's working for me
Was really wasted at Richmond. He came to the club same year as Edwards. Imagine if he had the same opportunities.
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He was a very good footballer before being drafted. unfortunate he had injuries & lack of chances. was coached poorly. Good Luck for the rest of your career. His still a Tiger supporter ;D
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u should hang on to blokes like that.
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u should hang on to blokes like that.
nar l'm happy his gone. ;D
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“I hope I left the place on good terms. It was a decision for me to come and play some more footy and it's working for me
Was really wasted at Richmond. He came to the club same year as Edwards. Imagine if he had the same opportunities.
White was drafted the year before Titch. He was picked in the PSD (which was called the 2006 PSD even though it was held in Dec. 2005).
He was the sole survivor from our shocking 2005 draft effort :help:
ND: JON, Hughes, Casserley.
PSD: White
RD: A.Graham, Humm, C.Howat.
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“I hope I left the place on good terms. It was a decision for me to come and play some more footy and it's working for me
Was really wasted at Richmond. He came to the club same year as Edwards. Imagine if he had the same opportunities.
White was drafted the year before Titch. He was picked in the PSD (which was called the 2006 PSD even though it was held in Dec. 2005).
He was the sole survivor from our shocking 2005 draft effort :help:
ND: JON, Hughes, Casserley.
PSD: White
RD: A.Graham, Humm, C.Howat.
did you have to mention JON. ;D
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Gus Graham the best of that group and the one who should still be on our list.
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Agnes Graham
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full bodycramp agnes ;D
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It's not that this dude is a superstar or anything.
But it poos me that all he wanted was a second year and we offered him one.
Guys like Grigg, Titch, Foley etc get thrown 2-3 year deals like its nothing.
He's a line-breaker and we need somebody who can run like that.
We had to match a three year 1mn deal, don't re write history ::)
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We had to match a three year 1mn deal, don't re write history ::)
Agree, don't re-write history, which you've just done.
:facepalm
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He would have settled with two years. I know you know the Whites WP but a good friend knows his parents very well. They told him he would have accepted two years from the Tiges to stay…..
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He would have settled with two years. I know you know the Whites WP but a good friend knows his parents very well. They told him he would have accepted two years from the Tiges to stay…..
Exactly, thanks for beating me too it. Port probably paying him $1mil for 3 years. He probably would have stayed at Richmond for $400-500k for 2 years.
He wanted to stay, just with a second year. Diehard Richmond supporter and family too.
So we let him go and signed up blokes like foley, Titch and Grigg on multiple year deals instead. Titch played well at least.
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I think Bo is right in the sense if we wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave (he was restricted yes). But as others as said he doesn't have to accept their offer in the first place
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hes chit
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lets see how he goes next year
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“I hope I left the place on good terms. It was a decision for me to come and play some more footy and it's working for me
Was really wasted at Richmond. He came to the club same year as Edwards. Imagine if he had the same opportunities.
White was drafted the year before Titch. He was picked in the PSD (which was called the 2006 PSD even though it was held in Dec. 2005).
He was the sole survivor from our shocking 2005 draft effort :help:
ND: JON, Hughes, Casserley.
PSD: White
RD: A.Graham, Humm, C.Howat.
Good pickup.
That goal he kicked on the wing gets better and better with every viewing. Absolutely burnt Morris off who is quick, bounced the ball at full speed and delivered a 50m goal from a tight angle after running from half back. Should be goal of the year.
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That goal was so good it almost made up for the other ninety or so minutes of poo he dished up
Highlight reel watchers seeing that would say " that White goes alright, why did they ever let him go"
Well the answer is he is poo
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That's right POO
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Any takers, apparently still has plenty to offer
Always ran off the ground really hard
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Unfortunately injuries have played a significant part in his delisting. Needs to prove he can remain injury free for a sustained period. Not sure whether any club prepared to take a chance given his recent history with injuries.
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Unfortunately injuries have played a significant part in his delisting. Needs to prove he can remain injury free for a sustained period. Not sure whether any club prepared to take a chance given his recent history with injuries.
History proves club was right to let him walk
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Any takers, apparently still has plenty to offer
Always ran off the ground really hard
Was the best in the comp. A great legacy
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Any takers, apparently still has plenty to offer
Always ran off the ground really hard
One of the greatest ever at running off the ground. :clapping
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Port supporters loved him but say he's cooked .
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He was boiled before he went there
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Supersub!
He did manage to tackle Dusty once too.
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He was built for the sub rule and that's about it. I was sad to see him go and it looked shocking in2014 when he was burning everyone off with his pace and port made a prelim but that was his last decent season
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8 games in the past two seasons - worse than Lids .
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Always liked Matty despite his limitations. Remember a game (was it 2013 against WCE or Freo?) when he literally kept us in it in the first quarter purely because he was the only one who looked half interested.
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I really liked Matty White , might of beaten Carlton in 2013 had he not been injured.
Will never forgot that brilliant goal against Freo in Perth - that looked like the match winner before we fluffed it again in the final minute .
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I really liked Matty White , might of beaten Carlton in 2013 had he not been injured.
Will never forgot that brilliant goal against Freo in Perth - that looked like the match winner before we fluffed it again in the final minute .
And the one where the umpire stopped it from going through......... :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Players’ Voice — Matt White
By Matt White
aflplayers.com.au
Nov 6, 2017
50/50 — they were my chances of staying at Port Adelaide in 2018 before the trade period began. Unfortunately, for me, my 50 didn’t go the way I’d hoped.
I didn’t really see it coming and thought I’d get another year. While I was somewhat prepared for the end, at the same time, I wasn’t.
It’s been a few weeks since the season, and my career at Port Adelaide, has officially ended, and I’ve been working as a landscaper with my mate, which I’d already planned on doing this off-season.
And while thinking about it all, when I’m not getting my hands dirty from dawn to late, I feel like my AFL career has been much like a landscaping job — building something from scratch and becoming something other people can enjoy, too.
I was lucky to be drafted and was taken by the Tigers, the club I grew up supporting, in the pre-season draft at the end of 2005.
You go from being one of the talented kids in the junior ranks to the bottom end of the food chain at an AFL club playing alongside your heroes.
It’s similar to the way my mate and I constructed a rebuild of a playground in Mulgrave the other day. First, we dig the foundation up, revealing only the dust and dirt that lies beneath.
Suddenly, the foundation that stood before had been filed down to start the next phase of its existence.
I was no different when I first walked through the doors at Punt Road. I worked my way from the bottom to become a 100-game player in the eight years I spent at Richmond.
It didn’t end there and at the end of 2013, I believed the best thing for my footy was to accept an offer to move interstate and play with Port Adelaide.
It paid dividends to begin with. I played some of my best footy, won a Goal of the Year Award and played in my first finals series in 2014.
We beat my old mob in my first ever AFL finals match. It was a weird feeling but it led to the high point of my time in the AFL — the win against Fremantle coming in the following week’s Semi-Final.
The emotions after that game were unreal. It was difficult to celebrate the week before but this was a special moment. We ended up coming within three points of advancing to a Grand Final — you can’t help but wonder if only.
But it wasn’t long until the lowest moment would surface and spell the beginning of the end of my time at Port Adelaide.
It took only 15 minutes of the Round 1 clash in 2016 for things to unravel. I tore a pec muscle and missed the following 15 weeks. I returned to play in the SANFL side but a fractured cheekbone late in the season, capping off a terrible year for me and for the club.
The only consolation was that I wasn’t alone in rehab throughout the year. I had guys like Jay Schulz, Robbie Gray at times and Tommy Jonas to keep me company, which meant I wasn’t as isolated — although we all would’ve preferred not to be there.
The club struggled in 2016 and knowing you can’t physically do anything to help is as frustrating as it gets. Special mention to my wife Tara who has been along for the entire 12-year journey with me and has had to deal with a lot of crap.
Mentally, I’m not ready for this to end and I’d jump at another opportunity anywhere around the country. But I don’t think I’m set to say goodbye to my teammates and to think I might not run out onto the MCG or Adelaide Oval again is heartbreaking. At least I have a few good yarns to spin around a campfire.
A career as an elite Australian Rules player isn’t as easy as it looks and it’s not always as fun as it looks but the feeling you get when you run onto the ground and ‘Never Tear Us Apart’ is echoing across the stadium makes all the pain and stress you’ve put your body through worth it.
For now, I need to figure out what to do with the rest of my life if I don’t get a lifeline elsewhere. Maybe building something from a pile of dust into something other people will enjoy is the path I’m destined to continue after all.
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/players-voice-matt-white/