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Gaspar, Kellaway may join exodus of senior Tigers
Rohan Connolly
The Age
August 29, 2006
RICHMOND is poised to part company with up to four of its most senior players, with two veterans expected to retire today and at least one and possibly two more having been told their time at Punt Road is up.
Ruckman Greg Stafford and defender Mark Chaffey are expected to announce their retirements at a press conference at Punt Road today after both decided they'd had enough of AFL football.
But key defenders Andrew Kellaway and Darren Gaspar may be less willing casualties of the Tigers' review of its senior list.
Stafford, a former Swan who played in the 1996 grand final and has spent the past five seasons at Punt Road, reached his 200th game against the Western Bulldogs three weeks ago and hinted at his retirement when he reached that milestone.
Chaffey, who confirmed to the club yesterday that he would not be going on in 2007, thrived under the coaching of Terry Wallace last year, but has struggled all through 2006 after a groin injury hampered his pre-season, with his battle to make up for lost time resulting in him not being selected in the senior team until round 17.
But the situation regarding Kellaway and Gaspar is more problematic. Richmond remained tight-lipped on the potential axings last night, coach Terry Wallace refusing to confirm what would be a big clean-out of the Tigers' senior core.
"We've got one game to play and we'll deal with delistings and things like that once the season has finished," Wallace said.
But it is believed the club has told both players their careers are on the line. Gaspar's controversial five-year deal with Richmond, worth $500,000 a season before he took a pay cut, ends this season, resulting in the defender being the subject of much speculation.
Gaspar's manager Ron Joseph met Richmond director of football Greg Miller yesterday in an attempt to negotiate a new deal for the 2001 best-and-fairest winner and two-time All-Australian.
The dour key backman had a fine 2005, finishing fourth in the best and fairest, but has struggled throughout 2006, managing only eight games, his season ended by knee cartilage damage for which he had surgery before round 17.
But Kellaway would be a more surprising casualty, the courageous defender having played 15 of 16 games this season before straining a hamstring while surfing — an injury from which he was due to return this week.
The 2000 best-and-fairest winner, who won All-Australian honours the same year, has played 172 games with the club since 1998.
If all four players are finished, Richmond will have lost more than 750 matches of senior experience in one hit, Gaspar and Stafford two of only four Tigers in a young and developing list to have played more than 200 matches.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/08/28/1156617275512.html
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Chubba?!? :gobdrop :gobdrop
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I wouldn't mind Gaspar and Kellaway going on for one more year, but at the same time, their departure wouldn't be an altogether bad thing.
Plenty of guys we can get rid of:
Chaffey
Stafford
Rodan
Moore
Hall
Humm
Knobel
Jackson
Roach
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I would definetly like to see chuba stay for another year at least. As for the rest great servants of the club but time for the RFC to move on :thumbsup
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The cleanout has begun early. Sounds like we are willing to take a step back (loss of experience in 2007) to go forward with only the best, most reliable and consistent senior players.
I still think Gas on a significantly reduced contract and Chubba will get one more year with our lack of key defenders.
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I still think Gas on a significantly reduced contract and Chubba will get one more year with our lack of key defenders.
That's unless we are chasing someone who could fill one of those possies - Just a feeling a bit of an inkling - and no not Mal Michael :thumbsup
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Think Andy deserves one more year - wasn't that bad this year.
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im glad to see these 4 go, why waste the development of a kid to give either of these players one more yr! we have seen this yr a younger team than last yr play better footy and get better results.
and btw, imo , i have a gut feeling terry was not impressed when chubba did his hammy surfing, just have a gut feeling
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Well I spoke to one of the head coaches at Surfing Queensland who coached Mick Fanning and he said it sounded very doubtful whether surfing caused the hamstring injury. He said it was more than likely the hammy was going to go anyway, especially as Chubba was no novice surfer. My friend took the Brisbane Broncos out for a surfing lesson once during the season and he said he was more worried about them getting dumped and having head and neck injuries or fin cuts than hamstrings.
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doubtful or not isnt the issue, they said he did it surfing, so be it, its just my gut feeling and whether he did his hammy or not, if they get rid of gas and chubba its the right move for the future. we cant just hang onto players for sentimental reasons, this is why we have terry as coach now and not spud. u cant move forward by hanging onto players who are not part of the future and dont really have a strong influence on development.
up fwd we have richo/brown to develop the kids
in the middle we have sugar/brown
down back we have have joel to organise and marshal our defence.
its time to clean out more players and staff, chaff, gas and chubba and are a good starting point
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I would have kept Chub for 12 months max the other 3 however - its time. 3 maybe 4 down, another 16 or 17 to go lol :scream
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get rid of all of them.
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I am all for bringing on the young players but I don't think we are in a position to get rid of both.
I cannot believe they would seriously consider parting with Chubba :gobdrop Gas yeah maybe but Chubba :gobdrop
Seriously who do you replace them with?
Thursfield will be a good player no doubt but he is coming back from a nasty reco.
Sure Joel B has been great down back the last 3 years but to expect him to hold an inexperience backline together is a a massive ask.
And quite frankly I want to play finals next season and I just don't see how having a inexperience baby backline will give us a chance to do that - I want to continue the march forward not go backwards
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The thinking might be that Chubba is no KPP anyway and that Joel, Paddy and maybe one or two young guys can play his role yet have more precise foot skills rebounding out of defence.
If we do offload one or both of Gas and Chubba you'd reckon we'll be pretty active come trade week.
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And quite frankly I want to play finals next season and I just don't see how having a inexperience baby backline will give us a chance to do that - I want to continue the march forward not go backwards
we can make finals next yr without chubba, we have not suffered in defence since he has been out with a hammy, sure we may have earlier this year but the kids are showing they are developing fast and good
we dont need these players in their over the hill yrs unless they are as vital as richo
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The thinking might be that Chubba is no KPP anyway and that Joel, Paddy and maybe one or two young guys can play his role yet have more precise foot skills rebounding out of defence.
If we do offload one or both of Gas and Chubba you'd reckon we'll be pretty active come trade week.
spot on
and btw, wasnt terry meant to use schulz as a chb, i bet next yr jay will play down back and cleve or limbo will take a place up fwd
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we can make finals next yr without chubba, we have not suffered in defence since he has been out with a hammy, sure we may have earlier this year but the kids are showing they are developing fast and good
we dont need these players in their over the hill yrs unless they are as vital as richo
Sorry X, I don't share your confidence. In the last 3 weeks we've beaten 3 bottom teams - wins I know but not the greatest opposition. Go back to when we played the Saints and how we got belted and that was in part because we had no one experienced or strong enough to take on the likes of Reiwoldt or especially Gehrig - there was Joel B on a gorilla. I just worry if we get rid of these 2 how we will compete with a baby backline.
BTW I don't think Chubba will be going anywhere.
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we can make finals next yr without chubba, we have not suffered in defence since he has been out with a hammy, sure we may have earlier this year but the kids are showing they are developing fast and good
we dont need these players in their over the hill yrs unless they are as vital as richo
Sorry X, I don't share your confidence. In the last 3 weeks we've beaten 3 bottom teams - wins I know but not the greatest opposition. Go back to when we played the Saints and how we got belted and that was in part because we had no one experienced or strong enough to take on the likes of Reiwoldt or especially Gehrig - there was Joel B on a gorilla. I just worry if we get rid of these 2 how we will compete with a baby backline.
BTW I don't think Chubba will be going anywhere.
3 bottom teams yes, 3 bottom fwd lines no.
fev, lucas, and bradshaw are all in form and capable of killing or defence
but our defence did quite well against these power fwds
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I don't see us playing finals next year unless we get a lucky break (excuse the pun) as far as injuries go and our young blokes step up to another level again. Most likely Newman, Cogs and Thursty will need another year to get back near their best just as Browny found out this year.
We are still closer to the bottom 4 than the top 4. Of the top 8 sides we only bet Adelaide with extreme tactics and a overrated Collingwood who are only playing finals thanks to their soft draw. Finals in 2008-9 for mine :thumbsup.
and btw, wasnt terry meant to use schulz as a chb, i bet next yr jay will play down back and cleve or limbo will take a place up fwd
Sarge is a natural forward. He just needs to follow Richo's lead and work on becoming superfit so he can lead and re-lead all day. Once again he kicked an early goal or two then didn't do much else.
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3 bottom teams yes, 3 bottom fwd lines no.
fev, lucas, and bradshaw are all in form and capable of killing or defence
but our defence did quite well against these power fwds
Fair point X, but there is a bit of a difference IMO - the ones you mention are the only decent big forwards in those teams so you only have to cover one. Against the better sides you usually have to cover multiple fwds. Look at Sydney you have Hall and O'Keefe, Saints you've got Gehrig, Kosi (if he keeps his eyes on the ball ;D), Hamill and even Reiwoldt
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3 bottom teams yes, 3 bottom fwd lines no.
fev, lucas, and bradshaw are all in form and capable of killing or defence
but our defence did quite well against these power fwds
True X but forwards need decent supply from the midfield and other teammates up forward dragging defenders with tem so the main forward isn't double and tripled teamed every week as Richo has found out the hard way all his career. The Dons and Lions midfields are getting old and too slow for modern footy and lack depth while Carlton's is non-existent after Kouta, Scotland and Stevens with Murphy out injured. Hird was brilliant on Saturday night but the bad news for the bombers is he'll be gone in 12 months time.
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i see ur point wp, but terry has a 5 yr plan, keeping these blokes will extend it to a 6,7,8 ...yr plan
we need to get some of these young defenders in the team to get some mileage and 50 games into them, and if they get flogged like zac dawson or bradley , who cares m, they will learn from it
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i see ur point wp, but terry has a 5 yr plan, keeping these blokes will extend it to a 6,7,8 ...yr plan
we need to get some of these young defenders in the team to get some mileage and 50 games into them, and if they get flogged like zac dawson or bradley , who cares m, they will learn from it
That's true but who are these young defenders?
Agree there is Schulz and there is Thursfield but I have a question mark over Thursfield because of his knee - I don't think we can expect him to come back and be a star, it's gonna take time.
Who are the others?
McGuane - question mark on him as defender especially considering the last 4 games at Coburg he's been swung around to the FWD line
I just think we need to be careful thats all
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3 bottom teams yes, 3 bottom fwd lines no.
fev, lucas, and bradshaw are all in form and capable of killing or defence
but our defence did quite well against these power fwds
True X but forwards need decent supply from the midfield and other teammates up forward dragging defenders with tem so the main forward isn't double and tripled teamed every week as Richo has found out the hard way all his career. The Dons and Lions midfields are getting old and too slow for modern footy and lack depth while Carlton's is non-existent after Kouta, Scotland and Stevens with Murphy out injured. Hird was brilliant on Saturday night but the bad news for the bombers is he'll be gone in 12 months time.
that slow dons midfield beat us hands down, richo was the only reason why we won, our defence did well considering how many clearances they got and how many times they went inside 50
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i see ur point wp, but terry has a 5 yr plan, keeping these blokes will extend it to a 6,7,8 ...yr plan
we need to get some of these young defenders in the team to get some mileage and 50 games into them, and if they get flogged like zac dawson or bradley , who cares m, they will learn from it
That's true but who are these young defenders?
Agree there is Schulz and there is Thursfield but I have a question mark over Thursfield because of his knee - I don't think we can expect him to come back and be a star, it's gonna take time.
Who are the others?
McGuane - question mark on him as defender especially considering the last 4 games at Coburg he's been swung around to the FWD line
I just think we need to be careful thats all
maybe terry and co have trades in line to fill defensive posts
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maybe terry and co have trades in line to fill defensive posts
Probably
As long as it isn't Polak ;D
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i see ur point wp, but terry has a 5 yr plan, keeping these blokes will extend it to a 6,7,8 ...yr plan
we need to get some of these young defenders in the team to get some mileage and 50 games into them, and if they get flogged like zac dawson or bradley , who cares m, they will learn from it
Bradley on Richo was okay as Bradley is of a similar size to the big fella and there was no one else for the bombers who could have stopped the Richo man beit McPhee or Solomon. Richo was just too strong, too fit and too good. On the other hand Dawson on Rocca was lamb to the slaughter stuff given the size difference and Clarkson could have put Croad or Roughead at FB. You've got to give a kid some bit of chance of succeeding and believing in himself.
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maybe terry and co have trades in line to fill defensive posts
Probably
As long as it isn't Polak ;D
me 2, polak as i understand believes and thinks he cab only play fwd, from what i understand he does not want to play in defence
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And I just wanna say it is pathetic that Staff and Chaff had their press conference at 2.30pm today - it's been on the 4.00pm news and after more than 2 hours there is still nothing on the RFC website >:(
No wonder people think the official sites are a joke :wallywink
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3 bottom teams yes, 3 bottom fwd lines no.
fev, lucas, and bradshaw are all in form and capable of killing or defence
but our defence did quite well against these power fwds
True X but forwards need decent supply from the midfield and other teammates up forward dragging defenders with tem so the main forward isn't double and tripled teamed every week as Richo has found out the hard way all his career. The Dons and Lions midfields are getting old and too slow for modern footy and lack depth while Carlton's is non-existent after Kouta, Scotland and Stevens with Murphy out injured. Hird was brilliant on Saturday night but the bad news for the bombers is he'll be gone in 12 months time.
that slow dons midfield beat us hands down, richo was the only reason why we won, our defence did well considering how many clearances they got and how many times they went inside 50
True X but they did have 33 scoring shots and 4 more than us so our defence didn't do too well. Just lucky they kicked poorly. Over the whole season the bombers midfield has been found out for lack of pace. Suspension and injury probably meant they actually were a bit quicker against us with youngsters instead of the likes of oldies Jason Johnson and Camporeale.
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maybe terry and co have trades in line to fill defensive posts
Probably
As long as it isn't Polak ;D
me 2, polak as i understand believes and thinks he cab only play fwd, from what i understand he does not want to play in defence
We're trying to weed out the duds not recruit them ;).
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maybe terry and co have trades in line to fill defensive posts
Probably
As long as it isn't Polak ;D
me 2, polak as i understand believes and thinks he cab only play fwd, from what i understand he does not want to play in defence
We're trying to weed out the duds not recruit them ;).
im not 4 polak, i want hunter from teh eagles
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And I just wanna say it is pathetic that Staff and Chaff had their press conference at 2.30pm today - it's been on the 4.00pm news and after more than 2 hours there is still nothing on the RFC website >:(
No wonder people think the official sites are a joke :wallywink
Telstra has its share price to worry about more than us :yep
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'Telstra" :chuck
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Final roar for 'Staf' and 'Chaf'
4:22:14 PM Tue 29 August, 2006
Jen Witham
Sportal for afl.com.au
While coach Terry Wallace conceded 32-year-old Stafford's announcement came as no surprise, he was initially shocked when 29-year-old Chaffey came to him with his own plans to hang up the boots.
"I was a little surprised to have the 'Chaf' come on board, but obviously he has had a very tough run with injury over the past 12 months and it had been a very, very difficult time for him this season to get his body in the right order," Wallace said on Tuesday.
"I just think that Mark has done a fantastic job to be at this football club over a 10-year period, and I think he's been a real worker."
Chaffey, who will retire with 166 games to his name, said he will enjoy the ability to travel and that he has no immediate plans to pursue a career in football in another capacity.
"It was very difficult actually, a lot harder than I had anticipated. The waterworks nearly opened up there but I'm going a bit better now," he said.
"It was tough because I've known a handful of those guys for the duration of my career and I've become friends with a lot of the young guys at the club too and they are just a really good bunch of guys and I've really enjoyed their company."
Stafford – who will retire on 204 games - said he was at peace with his decision and that he would value the years he was able to play with both the Swans and the Tigers.
"I'm very comfortable with where I'm at and, as I said to the boys before, I'm looking forward to the future as much as I've enjoyed the last 15 years," Stafford said.
"I've been blessed to have been a part of a terrific competition with terrific people involved and I took that and put it in its place and that's part of what will hopefully a long journey for me over the next 40 or 50 years, and that will make up 15 years of it.
"I will look back, no doubt, on it very fondly."
Full article at: http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=293370
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All the best to Staff and Chaff with life after footy.
Footy wasn't everything to Staff so he might walk away from footy completely and just enjoy retirement but I wonder with his footy brain whether Staff would ever consider having a dab as coaching after a spell out of the game.
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I don't think Chuba should go.
If we get some new KPP (kids) for down back then who are they going to learn from. Chubba is the perfect example of playing with courage and would be of great value in showing them the way. We really don't have many others of his type to do that. He is still would be in my starting 22 every week.
Jusy my opinion.
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Staff also said he planned to go out with a bang...so will it be Cox, Judd, Kerr or COusins who will miss the finals? :rollin
:thumbsup :gotigers
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Chubba :gobdrop
Hopefully he won't go, keep him on for another year I think.
Sarge is a natural forward, keep him where he is comfortable playing.
Haha, hopefully Staff will do a bit of damage to the Eagles and put them off a bit and fire our boys up ;D
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Saturday farewell for Chaffey and Stafford
Martin Boulton
The Age
August 30, 2006
RICHMOND players Mark Chaffey and Greg Stafford will play their 166th and 204th games respectively at the MCG on Saturday, then leave the ground and the game forever.
After 10 years of AFL football, Chaffey said injury had forced him into retirement, while Stafford, who came to Punt Road from Sydney in 2001, simply decided it was time to draw the curtain on a 14-year career.
Meanwhile, the playing future of defenders Darren Gaspar and Andrew Kellaway remained uncertain, with coach Terry Wallace saying the club would "make decisions on players" at the end of the season.
"We'll do that once the season is finished, it won't be any different to any other year," he said.
Wallace admitted he was "a little surprised" when Chaffey told him on Monday he was hanging up his boots.
Chaffey, 29, told his teammates of his decision yesterday, just before announcing his retirement publicly.
"It was a difficult decision … but I've struggled getting my body to a level where it needs to be to compete at the highest level," he said. "I've had a lot of problems with my groins (and) this year was always going to be a pivotal year in my career."
Chaffey's game against West Coast this weekend will be just his sixth for the year. He said as the season unfolded he'd hoped to "get back and play some solid senior footy and gone on for another year" but injuries had restricted his training and forced his hand.
Wallace said Chaffey had given the club great service and was a highly respected part of the team.
Stafford, 32, said he was several years into playing with the Swans before deciding to "play seriously", following former coach Rodney Eade's decision to make him the team's main ruckman.
"When I first started in footy I didn't have any real connection with the game … it was all new and I didn't really take it seriously for a long time," he said. "I'd hate to think what I would have missed out on, had I not knuckled down at some point."
Stafford reached the 200-game milestone in round 18 against the Western Bulldogs. He played 130 games with the Swans, including their 1996 grand final loss to the Kangaroos.
Asked if his image as a "tough guy" of the AFL was justified, Stafford said "that's a myth … there's tougher guys than me going around and 'Chaf' is one of them".
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/08/29/1156816900553.html
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Staff also said he planned to go out with a bang...so will it be Cox, Judd, Kerr or COusins who will miss the finals? :rollin
:thumbsup :gotigers
Alastair Lynch could give him tips about that.
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BTW I don't think Chubba will be going anywhere.
Except maybe surfing ;)
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Is Hunter going to be traded? If so, I'm with X (don't fall over with shock X) - let's get Hunter.
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Is Hunter going to be traded? If so, I'm with X (don't fall over with shock X) - let's get Hunter.
i fall over quite alot julz, but always bounce str8 back up lol
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we can make finals next yr without chubba, we have not suffered in defence since he has been out with a hammy, sure we may have earlier this year but the kids are showing they are developing fast and good
we dont need these players in their over the hill yrs unless they are as vital as richo
Yes, but look who we've played X. :banghead We have only beaten two sides in the top 8. Chubba played in both victories. 23 possies against the Crows & Pies. I'm hoping Chubba gets at least another year. He's been very solid so far this season and he is courage pesonified. He always leads by example. When the young guys see him backing into a pack to take a crucial mark in the defensive 50 it sets a benchmark for them to follow.
How can fellow supporters here so easilly discard a player of his callibre and someone who has been such a loyal servant to the club. Oh we have such short memories especially the kindergarten crew here. For them it's just all kids, kids, kids. Eff that! We need experienced players like Chubba to show them how its done. >:(
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sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, and forget the sentimental crap and put the future of teh team 1st.
when its time to cut ties in order to progress fwd , u just have to do it, even if it means going one step backwards.
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whats the forecast for Saturday?
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whats the forecast for Saturday?
In Chubba's case, 1 to 2 metre swell with prevailing offshore winds. Best to stick to right hand point breaks.
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we can make finals next yr without chubba, we have not suffered in defence since he has been out with a hammy, sure we may have earlier this year but the kids are showing they are developing fast and good
we dont need these players in their over the hill yrs unless they are as vital as richo
Yes, but look who we've played X. :banghead We have only beaten two sides in the top 8. Chubba played in both victories. 23 possies against the Crows & Pies. I'm hoping Chubba gets at least another year. He's been very solid so far this season and he is courage pesonified. He always leads by example. When the young guys see him backing into a pack to take a crucial mark in the defensive 50 it sets a benchmark for them to follow.
How can fellow supporters here so easilly discard a player of his callibre and someone who has been such a loyal servant to the club. Oh we have such short memories especially the kindergarten crew here. For them it's just all kids, kids, kids. Eff that! We need experienced players like Chubba to show them how its done. >:(
I agree, don't offload Chubba just yet, otherwise our backline it going to be a bunch of youngsters who aren't fully developed. Keep him for another year, that way our young kids will have a chance to get some experience in the backline without the added pressure of doing it by themselves.
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whats the forecast for Saturday?
In Chubba's case, 1 to 2 metre swell with prevailing offshore winds. Best to stick to right hand point breaks.
:rollin tiga
A few showers and 17 degrees Ox.
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Hutchy on Ch7 news reckons Wallace has told Chubba to consider retirement as there was no guarantee of a new contract. Chubba was also offered a farewell game this week.
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looks like the axe is well and truly out just at the minute. :o
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Apologies for the thread jump.
Just mention that McGuane has more upside than Chubba. Could be a choice between the 2 given that Moore should be delisted.
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Apologies for the thread jump.
Just mention that McGuane has more upside than Chubba. Could be a choice between the 2 given that Moore should be delisted.
I don't think McGuane has more an upside than Chubba. As a froward yep as a defender NOPE. The one thing that's stood out the last 3-4 weeks at Coburg is Luke is a far better forward than he is backman.
Hutchy on Ch7 news reckons Wallace has told Chubba to consider retirement as there was no guarantee of a new contract. Chubba was also offered a farewell game this week.
Yeah saw that and I'm like :gobdrop :gobdrop what the :gobdrop and one of the reasons is because Tezza said on WLF last night with Caro sitting next to him that they hadn't made any decision on the list yet - I am confused
If they have to make a call on Chubba or Gas - for me it's you keep Chubba.
Might I suggest everyone get a copy of our game against the Pies at the MCG back in July and a fter watching it you should be able to see why I'm saying we should keep one Andrew Kellaway
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Browny said something like Gas and Chubba will sit down Monday or Tuesday with the club.
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Career flashes past Kellaway
01 September 2006
Herald-Sun
Mike Sheahan
FOR most Richmond supporters, there was an obvious replacement for the suspended Ray Hall: fellow tall, experienced defender Andy Kellaway.
Richmond supporters love Kellaway, and with good reason. He is passionately yellow and black, as tough and brave as Captain Blood, reliable, and has recovered from the hamstring tear he suffered tumbling off his surfboard a few weeks ago.
Kellaway, though, has been named in the emergencies for tomorrow's game against West Coast, Hall replaced by the smaller, quicker Tom Roach.
With doubts on a couple of Tigers, he may yet play against the Eagles, but it might be his farewell appearance, too.
The veteran backman suddenly is face to face with his football mortality, despite his sound form before the surfing mishap that might end up dumping him from Punt Road.
Kellaway looms as a casualty of modern football.
As tough and brave as he is, his pace and disposal put him at risk.
With Richmond on the climb and him turning 31 in November, he is a victim of evolution.
Like his brother, Duncan, before him, there's nothing he wouldn't give for the team, but the emphasis on pace and foot skills grows by the year.
Andrew may have Duncan covered as a kick, but that doesn't make him Jimmy Jess.
Sadly it's no longer just enough to be a fierce competitor, to attack the ball or man with raw courage, to beat your opponent, to bleed for the team. That's a culture from a different era.
The model defence in the modern game is built on rebound and creativity rather than simply negating the best of the opposition forwards.
At Richmond, the change is symbolised by the attacking style of Joel and Patrick Bowden, Andrew Raines, Chris Hyde and Brett Deledio.
Kellaway will wake up today wondering where it's all gone wrong. The warning bells started to sound when no one from the club raised the issue of a new contract. That's got to be a concern come August in the last year of a contract, and it was.
Kellaway's fate will be determined in discussions with coach Terry Wallace early next week, but a modified one-year contract appears the best possible outcome for him.
Wallace told the Herald Sun in June: "He has become a very valuable contributor and we wouldn't be the same side without him."
Sadly for the surfer/footballer, the Tigers have won three of four games in his absence, kicking 20 goals in the three wins.
If he gets a chance tomorrow, the West Coast forwards will know he's back.
He literally will be playing for his career and that's a fearsome thought for any opposition.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20321258%255E19742,00.html
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Kellaway future unclear
1:18:14 PM Fri 1 September, 2006
Jason Phelan
Sportal for afl.com.au
Senior players Mark Chaffey and Greg Stafford will bid farewell to the Tiger faithful when Richmond takes on West Coast at the MCG on Saturday, but the future of Andrew Kellaway still hangs in the balance.
Terry Wallace refused to buy into the speculation surrounding the 30-year-old and fellow tall defender Darren Gaspar on Friday, but admitted Kellaway's future in the yellow-and-black was far from assured.
"We've had a conversation and I said that I couldn't guarantee him a contract for next season and we needed to see how things pan out - you've got to wait until after round 22 for these situations," Wallace said after training at Punt Road.
Full article:
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=294247
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get rid of them both.
No room for sentiment here,besides,they're hopeess and injury prone.
Thanks for the memories but we have a team to build.
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get rid of them both.
No room for sentiment here,besides,they're hopeess and injury prone.
Thanks for the memories but we have a team to build.
Who's going to play on the opposition tall forwards next season then?
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We could always try and pinch Polak from the Dockers. Someone once told me he likes to fly high so I take it he must have a pretty good leap which would be good in combatting tall forwards.
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get rid of them both.
No room for sentiment here,besides,they're hopeess and injury prone.
Thanks for the memories but we have a team to build.
Who's going to play on the opposition tall forwards next season then?
Same as did the last few weeks.
Gas & Kellawy are "old" Richmond.
FFS we've been screaming out for change and some tough calls to be made and as soon as they are all the supporters go to water.
What would you prefer?
Mediocrity or successs?
Thanks for the memories boys. Stick to the plan TW.
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get rid of them both.
No room for sentiment here,besides,they're hopeess and injury prone.
Thanks for the memories but we have a team to build.
Who's going to play on the opposition tall forwards next season then?
Same as did the last few weeks.
Gas & Kellawy are "old" Richmond.
FFS we've been screaming out for change and some tough calls to be made and as soon as they are all the supporters go to water.
What would you prefer?
Mediocrity or successs?
Thanks for the memories boys. Stick to the plan TW.
spot on magic
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get rid of them both.
No room for sentiment here,besides,they're hopeess and injury prone.
Thanks for the memories but we have a team to build.
Who's going to play on the opposition tall forwards next season then?
not gas and chubba thank god!
its time to move on and build a skillful tiger team!!!
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Same as did the last few weeks.
Understand what you are saying Magic but the past few weeks we've played the 16th, 15th and 13th teams - I think we should not forget that.
The 16th team has Fev and no other big forward, the 15th team had Lucas and nothing else and the 13th team - when we played them there was no Bradshaw or J. Brown. Go back to when we played St Kilda and compare how the backline we've had the last 3 weeks went against them.
I'm all for tough decisions but when I look at the list and our best 30 not 20 to 25 but best 30 then Chubba is easily in there. There a few others on the list that don't make the best 30 and they are the ones I'd be looking at chopping before him.
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the 15th team had Lucas and nothing else
Not a fan of Courtney Johns WP? ;D.
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the 15th team had Lucas and nothing else
Not a fan of Courtney Johns WP? ;D.
Like I said MT, they had Lucas and nothing else ;) ;D
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Basically they are CRAP standard for our juniors to aspire to.
Better off copping rodgerings for 11 weeks and developing what we have,unpoisined by the last of the mo-hackans
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Kellaway future in doubt at Tigerland
Renee Switzer
The Age
September 2, 2006
RICHMOND defender Andrew Kellaway's AFL future hangs in the balance after coach Terry Wallace said he had given the gutsy backman no promises that he would play next season.
"We've had a conversation and I said I couldn't guarantee him a contract for next season and we needed to see how things pan out," Wallace said yesterday.
"He just sort of said he needs to speak to his management about where his future lies."
Kellaway, the 2000 best-and-fairest winner who earned All-Australian honours the same year, was named as emergency for today's match against West Coast. He has not played since straining a hamstring while surfing more than a month ago. Andrew Krakouer is struggling with an ankle injury but even if he is a late withdrawal Kellaway is no certainty to play.
"I'm not sure even where Andy's (Kellaway) at, I mean Andy hasn't played for five weeks," Wallace said. "He's got through his training sessions but (I don't know) whether he's been able to get to full-steam training. Until I go in and speak to the medical staff and speak to him as well, I don't know whether he will be putting his hand up to play if there was a change."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/01/1156817101581.html
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Just mention that McGuane has more upside than Chubba. Could be a choice between the 2 given that Moore should be delisted.
Your comment was totally justified today Darth!!!
McGuane isnt a footballers ars*hole and if he is still on our list next year then it is a disgrace.
Others who should get the chop include Tivendale, Sarge(dumb footballer), Jackson, Roach, Humm, Rodan, Tuck,(another Dumb footballer)
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Bull, I agree with everyone you mentioned, except for Sarge
In no way whatsoever am I having a go at you but just, explain to me why you class him as "dumb footballer". I'd really like to know why ???
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Shultz is a dumd footballer coz he runs to the wrong spot, contests balls which he shouldnt and i also believe that he doesnt play to instruction.
Thats why i call him a Dumb footballer, he has ability but no brains. Same as Tuck, how many turnovers does he create each week.
Back on Shultz, he didnt even register one kick today.
There may be some interest this year for trade so i say just offload him while the going is good.
The RFC must be ruthless in their assesment of where our list is at. Sure we have some good young kids, we dont need any Idiots getting into their heads and destroying their careers.
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Ports first round pick for Schulz :rollin
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Hard to disagree with those names Bull.
Once we brought McGuane in it was as though the white flag was raised before the ball was even bounced.
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Hard to disagree with those names Bull.
Once we brought McGuane in it was as though the white flag was raised before the ball was even bounced.
According to Fox Footy Saturday Central, Chubba was asked to play first but said he didn't feel 100% or something like that...
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Did anyone else have a tear in their eye when Staff kicked that last goal? I've gotta admit I cried at the end of the game - and not just because we were so hopeless :'( :'(
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Did anyone else have a tear in their eye when Staff kicked that last goal? I've gotta admit I cried at the end of the game - and not just because we were so hopeless :'( :'(
:rollin
I left before the last quarter started, but when I got home I watched the delayed telecast, yes, I'm a sucker for punishment... anyhow, I got a bit teary when they showed Staff's boots in the middle of the ground. But after his last goal I was smiling
Shultz is a dumd footballer coz he runs to the wrong spot, contests balls which he shouldnt and i also believe that he doesnt play to instruction.
Thats why i call him a Dumb footballer, he has ability but no brains. Same as Tuck, how many turnovers does he create each week.
Back on Shultz, he didnt even register one kick today.
There may be some interest this year for trade so i say just offload him while the going is good.
The RFC must be ruthless in their assesment of where our list is at. Sure we have some good young kids, we dont need any Idiots getting into their heads and destroying their careers.
Of course Schulz didn't get a kick today, we played West Coast, they outplayed us in every way possible, half of our blokes were "dumb footballers" today.
I believe he is a natural foward and should play up there, not in defense. He looks uncomfortable down back, which in turn, cause him to make errors.
3/4 of our blokes today made turnovers, what about Lids, about 30m out should have gone for goal, 2nd quarter I believe, except he handballed it off and it got turned over, or what about Petts, same quarter, went out on a lead and backed out of it after the ball had been kick in his direction.
Put Sarge in the forward line were he is comfortable and as he has shown it can reward.
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Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D
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It was time for Staff and Chaff to hang up their boots and they were able to leave on their own terms and before a good crowd so not really sad for them. Felt more sorry for Tommy Roach who after handing a footy to a kid near us walked off by himself knowing he's probably played his last game.
Hard to disagree with those names Bull.
Once we brought McGuane in it was as though the white flag was raised before the ball was even bounced.
According to Fox Footy Saturday Central, Chubba was asked to play first but said he didn't feel 100% or something like that...
Not sure what to make of that. Does Chubba believe he will get a new contract ???. I couldn't see Richo turn down a game although that might be unfair on Chubba as I don't know if his hammy is still troubling him. Chubba got right through training though yesterday apparently.
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Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D
:rollin
I'm all for trading Krak... dodgey ankle? What's that? :shh
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Even though he wasn't fit, Andy was told he could play because he couldn't be guaranteed a spot on the list next year. After Friday training he said he wasn't right to play.
Putting the team first, as expected from him.
Has apparently said he wants to play on next year, even if not at Richmond.
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If he wasn't right FF then Chubba did do the right thing. I've heard the latter too.
Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D
LOL. Today the house trashed itself :P.
Krak probably increased his value as we had no crumbers/numbers at the fall of the ball all day. On the other hand Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year. Not sure if he is carrying a leg injury or something but he looks very slow lately. Sarge needs to get fit to lead and lead for a whole game otherwise he'll be gone within 12 months.
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If he wasn't right FF then Chubba did do the right thing. I've heard the latter too.
Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D
LOL. Today the house trashed itself :P.
Krak probably increased his value as we had no crumbers/numbers at the fall of the ball all day. On the other hand Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year. Not sure if he is carrying a leg injury or something but he looks very slow lately. Sarge needs to get fit to lead and lead for a whole game otherwise he'll be gone within 12 months.
Tuck looked very awkward running to the bench today...has he always had such a weird running style? Looked like he was running into a 50km wind.
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Looked like he was running into a 50km wind.
Lucky he wasn't or you might have seen McGuane roll past him like a tumbleweed.
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LOL FF ;D
Tuck looked very awkward running to the bench today...has he always had such a weird running style? Looked like he was running into a 50km wind.
I saw that too. He has the same wirey body and gait as his dad but yeah he didn't look right.
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Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D
:rollin
I'm all for trading Krak... dodgey ankle? What's that? :shh
Didnt have a crumbing forward today ? We actually missed Krak,like it or not !
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Tiger vets await fate
03 September 2006
Sunday Herald Sun
Jon Pierik
THE careers of Richmond veterans Andrew Kellaway and Darren Gaspar are expected to be decided by Tuesday after they meet coach Terry Wallace.
Kellaway, 31 in November, was offered the chance to play in yesterday's 88-point thrashing by West Coast but turned it down because of a tight hamstring.
Gaspar, 30, has been battling a knee injury and was not considered.
Both are out of contract.
As the Tigers look to continue their youth policy, the pair, along with tagger Thomas Roach, face an uncertain future.
"Purely and simply, what I have said from day one is that over the next three days I have my exit meetings with the players," Wallace said last night. "I will sit down with Andy and speak to him about the situation going forward.
"He will know exactly where he sits with relation to what roles would be available, the situations he has to ponder -- if he is not playing at the senior level, how he handles going back and playing with Coburg at times.
"It's all those sort of things that we have to actually go through, (and) that's exactly the same with Darren."
The Tigers said goodbye to Greg Stafford and Mark Chaffey yesterday, with Wallace predicting six new faces at Punt Rd next year.
He said he wasn't looking forward to making tough calls. "I don't like finishing blokes' careers (but) it's the nature of it," he said.
"Believe me, any person that's worked in business, you sack people. It's not an easy thing to do."
Wallace pointed out the Tigers were unable to call on as many as 14 senior players for yesterday's clash against last year's grand finalist.
The Tigers finished the year with an 11-11 win-loss record -- one more victory than last year -- to miss the finals by two matches.
Wallace said he was happy with the development of the side in the second year of his five-year plan.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20341281%255E19742,00.html
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Reading BF and Y&B, it seems Plough said tonight on WLF that Chubba is gone. He believed Kellaway would struggle and end up at Coburg and didn't want to see that so suggested Chubba should consider retirement. Chubba disagreed. Tezza said he knows it won't be a popular decision and it's not personal towards Kellaway but as the Crows did the same a few years ago offloading senior players he believes it will bring success.
A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
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Kellaway out, Gaspar to stay
Lyall Johnson
The Age
September 7, 2006
COURAGEOUS defender Andrew Kellaway, one of Richmond's favourite sons, is seeking a new club after being told this week he would have very few, if any, opportunities to play senior football in 2007.
Kellaway has not been offered a contract to stay at Richmond and was told that even if a contract were forthcoming, he would face a very limited on-field role — a prospect the veteran was unwilling to accept.
However, while Kellaway is heading out the door, the club yesterday ended speculation on the future of Darren Gaspar by announcing it had re-signed the veteran defender on a one-year deal.
Kellaway, who turns 31 in November, is keen to play on for at least one more year and has instructed his manager, Ricky Nixon, to investigate whether there is interest from other clubs.
Should there be interest, the 2000 Richmond best and fairest and All-Australian would nominate for the 2007 pre-season draft. Otherwise, he will retire without having played a farewell match.
Kellaway and coach Terry Wallace had frank discussions this week, during which the 172-game veteran had his playing opportunities for next season outlined to him.
The club issued a statement yesterday which said Kellaway was "now considering his options" as a result of the meeting.
"Richmond's statement is a bit misleading," Nixon said yesterday. "Andrew has been told that he is not wanted at Richmond next year. He wanted to play on and he has asked me to investigate whether any clubs are interested in him in the form of a trade or as an uncontracted player.
"It staggers me. I honestly don't know the rationale other than the last couple of years his last four or five games haven't been great. His form was terrific until he did his hamstring this year."
Richmond football manager Paul Armstrong was yesterday unwilling to comment on what was said between Wallace and Kellaway but denied the club had told Kellaway he wasn't required next year.
Armstrong said the club's stance on the playing opportunities being offered to Kellaway had nothing to do with Kellaway tearing his hamstring while surfing before the round-17 match.
"What (Kellaway) discussed with Terry is between him and Terry.
"He's an outstanding bloke — one of the best guys you'd meet in footy," Armstrong said.
Richmond said yesterday that Gaspar had been offered a one-year deal but it had not renewed the contract of assistant coach David Wheadon, who had been at the club for seven years.
Recent speculation over Gaspar's future had been rife, with the 30-year-old former All-Australian and club best and fairest sidelined with a knee injury since round 16. To that point, Gaspar had managed eight games due to injury.
"Darren's record speaks for itself and he is very much part of our plans for 2007 and beyond," said Richmond football director Greg Miller.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/06/1157222200667.html
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So it looks certain.
Are we going to attempt to trade?
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So it looks certain.
Are we going to attempt to trade?
Apparently not, from what i've read.
It looks as though we're going at a Western Bulldogs style backline, one stopper (Brian Harris = Darren Gasper) and the rest are smaller running type, highly skilled players.
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If he wasn't right FF then Chubba did do the right thing. I've heard the latter too.
Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D
LOL. Today the house trashed itself :P.
Krak probably increased his value as we had no crumbers/numbers at the fall of the ball all day. On the other hand Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year. Not sure if he is carrying a leg injury or something but he looks very slow lately. Sarge needs to get fit to lead and lead for a whole game otherwise he'll be gone within 12 months.
MT when you say "Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year" would this time frame start when Cogs went down??
Just thinking Tuck was under more pressure without Cogs
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A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?
Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this :help
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A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?
Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this :help
more courage no
better runner ......yes
better and longer kick.....yes
decision maker ..no
but i dont think tezza means hall. i hope they get rid of hall but terry has always stated he has not been able to play hall where he wants to . i feel , once terry gets his backline sorted out, ray hall if he is still around will will play on the wing, aka burton. hard to match up on a tall running wingman who can kick 60m goals.
we have both bowdens, raines, white, etc players like hartigan and whoever else we pick up to be fast running and linking players out of defence.
i understand totally where terry is coming from and congratulate him for his dedication to the cause. he told the caller his job is to turn the tigers into a successful club! lets face facts, as tiger supporters and our biased minds , we over valuate many of our players and over rate them. facts are facts, we really are a crap team, we have possibily 5 players or so who would get games in good teams elsewhere. its time, we get realistic and not sentimental. sh it we carried players like duncan and many others for far too long because we think they are good! well duncan was crap, overrated and could not kick, who cares if he had courage he could not play and would have never got a game elsewhere.lets not make these same mistakes with andy and other players. there have been too many players at rfc get games and did not deserve them. we dont just want success, we want to build a team that has skill flair and competiveness week in week out. in order to achieve this, terry has to get rid of blokes who dont fit the modern footy mould and thats players like chubba!
no one doubts glenn archers courage, but do u think the roos are better off keeping him????no! he will fade away in embarrassing style for playing on too long. the game has passed him as it has kellaway and terry tried to explain this to him but he wouldnt buy it because as many tiger players , they believe the crap that most of us think about them. if our players were as good as we think they are, we would have been a force yrs ago.
its time to go chubba, and stop sooking, better players than you have been told to go forth
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So it looks certain.
Are we going to attempt to trade?
Apparently not, from what i've read.
Greg Miller says in the Herald-Sun today that we are not going to trade Kellaway:
Tigers cut Kellaway
07 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Bruce Matthews
POPULAR defender Andrew Kellaway has played his last game for Richmond.
A devastated Kellaway was not offered a new contract when the Tigers completed their senior list review yesterday. But fellow backman Darren Gaspar was thrown a lifeline, receiving a one-year deal.
Kellaway was the major casualty after coach Terry Wallace interviewed each player during the past three days.
The 2000 best-and-fairest winner has instructed manager Ricky Nixon to approach other clubs.
"There's not a spot for him at Richmond. He believes he can still play on and he has asked me to investigate those possibilities," Nixon said.
"So we'll assess that over the next four weeks up until the trade period."
Richmond said yesterday it didn't expect an announcement on Kellaway's future until the October 31 deadline for playing lists.
"I don't think it's a case of them wanting to trade him, it's more a case of them wanting to put him into retirement," Nixon said.
Tigers football director Greg Miller said Kellaway was held in the highest esteem at Punt Rd and would not be used as trade bait.
"We explained to Andrew that it's going to be very difficult for him. As good as he has been for this club, we don't want to see him playing at (VFL affiliate) Coburg," Miller said.
Kellaway played 15 games this season, but he missed the last six rounds after tearing a hamstring while surfing.
The defender wasn't playing when the Tigers suffered two of their three 100-point plus whippings. And he had 23 disposals in the three-point victory against Adelaide at Telstra Dome in Round 8.
Nixon said Kellaway, who turns 31 in November, believed he could play for one or two more seasons. And he wouldn't rule out moving interstate.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20367891%255E19742,00.html
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Why not trade bait, not worth much, but somethings better than nothing, just stick him in the pile with 3 or 4 others I wanna send to North for pick 3 lol
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what happened to ur scarlett thread RT
why not trade chubba for scarlett lol :thumbsup
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I dont wanna hogg the limelight in here lol ...you put up the scarlett thread. gotta say it was a decent spray from the 27 yo full back lol.
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A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?
Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this :help
Razor is contracted while Chubba isn't/wasn't. Razor can also as back-up play CHB.
Chubba was offered the game on Saturday and said no. He thinks he can play on yet the club thinks not and believes he will languish at Coburg. He'll nominate for the draft apparently (not sure which one) as a result. He's out of contract so he can walk. The club wants to move forward and believes we have some outstanding kids for next year and beyond. The backline next year will have around 12-14 other (presumably better in the club's view as far as skill, run and rebound) options so the club doesn't believe we need Kellaway. Basically what the Herald-Sun said today.
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If he wasn't right FF then Chubba did do the right thing. I've heard the latter too.
Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D
LOL. Today the house trashed itself :P.
Krak probably increased his value as we had no crumbers/numbers at the fall of the ball all day. On the other hand Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year. Not sure if he is carrying a leg injury or something but he looks very slow lately. Sarge needs to get fit to lead and lead for a whole game otherwise he'll be gone within 12 months.
MT when you say "Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year" would this time frame start when Cogs went down??
Just thinking Tuck was under more pressure without Cogs
Agree Gracie that Tuck would have had more workload placed on him in Cogs' absence but he looked terribly slow in the legs towards the end of the year. That's why I was asking if he was carrying an injury. You can't afford to have slow midfielders in modern footy.
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A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?
Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this :help
Razor is contracted while Chubba isn't/wasn't. Razor can also as back-up play CHB.
Chubba was offered the game on Saturday and said no. He thinks he can play on yet the club thinks not and believes he will languish at Coburg. He'll nominate for the draft apparently (not sure which one) as a result. He's out of contract so he can walk. The club wants to move forward and believes we have some outstanding kids for next year and beyond. The backline next year will have around 12-14 other (presumably better in the club's view as far as skill, run and rebound) options so the club doesn't believe we need Kellaway. Basically what the Herald-Sun said today.
I would think we are not going to offer him around. If he finds a club that would play him then he either enters the preseason draft and gets picked up by that club or the club comes to a low cost draft exchange with the Tigers. As I see it Kellaway has to find the other club himself.
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A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?
Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this :help
Razor is contracted while Chubba isn't/wasn't. Razor can also as back-up play CHB.
Chubba was offered the game on Saturday and said no. He thinks he can play on yet the club thinks not and believes he will languish at Coburg. He'll nominate for the draft apparently (not sure which one) as a result. He's out of contract so he can walk. The club wants to move forward and believes we have some outstanding kids for next year and beyond. The backline next year will have around 12-14 other (presumably better in the club's view as far as skill, run and rebound) options so the club doesn't believe we need Kellaway. Basically what the Herald-Sun said today.
I would think we are not going to offer him around. If he finds a club that would play him then he either enters the preseason draft and gets picked up by that club or the club comes to a low cost draft exchange with the Tigers. As I see it Kellaway has to find the other club himself.
Agree Gracie Chubba will need to find another club himself. I think we will delist him and then he'll put his name up for both the National and PS drafts. Remember if you trade for a pick you have to pick up a player with it in the draft. You can't pass. That's why we didn't exchange a 4th round pick with the dogs last year for Paddy. We gave them our 4th round pick and declined theirs. We possibly could get a 4th rounder for Kellaway if we wanted to but we may not want it if it ends up being say our 6th or 7th pick in the draft after further trades.
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by Terry Wallace
I believe good AFL clubs are open in their decision-making process with their loyal supporters, which is why I want to take this opportunity on our website to explain the Andy Kellaway situation to the Tiger faithful . . .
Firstly, let me state that I fully realise there are a number of Richmond fans who disagree with the decision we’ve made in not offering Andy a new contract and suggesting he retire. I can assure you it’s never easy telling a player and person of Andy’s calibre that you feel their time is up.
When I took over as Richmond’s coach two years ago, I was charged with the responsibility of turning around the direction of the team, which had suffered 14 losses in-a-row and was roundly criticised for being too slow, too old, and sorely lacking in the skill department.
The responsibility that goes with the territory means difficult decisions occasionally have to be made in order to make progress. And, the AFL rules also force your hand on some of these tough decisions because each year there have to be changes made to your list.
Over the past couple of years, we’ve made a lot of changes to our list, cutting most of the players we felt couldn’t take us to the next level and bringing an exciting group of youngsters into the mix.
With the new breed coming through, plus a collection of good, older players, we think we’re starting to assemble a playing list capable of achieving some long-awaited sustained success at Tigerland. But the league’s rules state that you still have to turn over your list each year, and that’s certainly a much harder task for us at the end of the ’06 season than it has been at any other time since I became coach.
You have to decide whether to make the hard call on senior players – or on kids, who may have been in the system for only a couple of years and are yet to properly mature. The fact is that you could be throwing away your future by letting these youngsters go before they have been given sufficient opportunity to prove themselves.
At the end of 2004, we were faced with such a decision, having to choose between an older player, Tim Fleming, and a younger one, Shane Tuck. We went with ‘Tucky’ and have been very happy with that decision. As a coach, my preference is to back the kids in, because I am convinced that’s the best way to rebuild. I believe if you’re not making those sort of decisions, you’re not truly developing your list.
In Andy Kellaway’s case, we saw him as competing for a senior spot next year against young players such as Brett Deledio, Andrew Raines, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, Matty White and Dean Polo, along with more seasoned campaigners in the Bowden brothers and Chris Newman. When you also have the likes of the taller Will Thursfield (returning from his knee reconstruction) and Darren Gaspar to add to our defence, you can see that we have quite a few options back there and competition for places is going to be strong.
Let me just clarify that it’s not – and never has been – a Kellaway v Gaspar contest. That’s not fair on Darren, who’s been a teammate and good mate of Andy’s over the past decade. Darren, who has been offered a new one-year contract with the Club, is a key-position player in defence, while Andy has played a third man in role at half-back. He hasn’t lined up on the opposition’s tall forwards for several years now.
Yes, I’ve gone on record as saying that we were a better side with Andy in the backline – and no-one could doubt his wonderful bravery and the excellent contribution he has made to the Club throughout his league career. Time, however, stands still for no-one, and with Andy turning 31 at the end of the year, I believe retirement is in his best interests.
I didn’t want such a respected figure as him to spend most of next season playing in the VFL and getting increasingly frustrated with that. Far better, in my opinion, to make the hard call now, rather than letting it fester.
Richmond, of course, is not the only club to make these difficult decisions on stalwarts. Just today, Brisbane announced it was parting company with triple premiership ruckman Clark Keating, and that surely wouldn’t have been an easy decision for the Lions to make.
I also well recall the publicity surrounding Malcolm Blight’s ‘sacking’ of Adelaide champions Chris McDermott, Tony McGuinness and Andrew Jarman, not long after becoming coach of the Crows in the late 1990s. ‘Blighty’ just wanted to get the next generation up and going at Adelaide as quickly as possible – and history shows how successful he was . . .
As far as I’m concerned, it’s all about developing our next group of players, who can help restore this Club to it rightful place, as a force to be reckoned with in the AFL competition.
I have nothing but respect and admiration for the Kellaway family. Andy and his older brother Duncan, have been favorites of the Richmond fans for many years due to their courage and commitment to the cause.
This is purely a football disagreement with Andy. He believes he should play on with the Tigers, and I believe he should retire. There’s certainly nothing personal involved.
I had a beer with Andy on ‘Mad Monday’ this week and told him I’d see him next day at the Club for a chat about his playing future. He is still comfortable being around the Club and there is no animosity at all. It’s simply a matter of differing opinions on where he’s at in his league career.
All I can do is put forward my views and leave it to Andy to decide which way he goes – whether he retires, or plays on at another AFL club.
I had a similar situation at the Bulldogs a few years ago when I thought the time had come for Paul Hudson to hang up his boots. Paul disagreed, left the Dogs and signed a two-year deal with Richmond. To this day, I still believe I was right in my call on Paul’s league future and, even though we disagreed on that, we have always maintained a good relationship.
Given that Andy has indicated he wants his manager to sound out other league clubs so he can continue to play at the game’s highest level, I don’t want to go into the specific football reasons why I believe his time as a player at Tigerland is up. To me, that would be totally disrespectful to him.
I would have loved for Andy to have agreed to play a farewell game, which was offered to him last Saturday, but he declined.
All I hope now is that Andy makes the right decision on his future. I wish him luck and thank him for everything he’s done for the Richmond Football Club.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=296015
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Even though i dont agree with the decision to cut Chubba, i am pleased that Wallace has written this article to explain himself and give reasons to why the decision was made.
Well done RFC on this :thumbsup
:gotigers
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I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.
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by Terry Wallace
I would have loved for Andy to have agreed to play a farewell game, which was offered to him last Saturday, but he declined.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=296015
andy has lost me! u sook. thought u were tough! sorry andy , u r not bigger than the rfc!
terry does not need to explain himself as he did, we all know and understand his reasons.
its about time tiger fans realise we are closer to being a pathetic team than a gr8 team, thus terry has to make these calls so we dont become pathetic again
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what happened to ur scarlett thread RT
why not trade chubba for scarlett lol :thumbsup
I think Scarlett's comments today were more of a case of the player(s) thinking they are bigger than the club. I think Chubba still has AFL footy in him at least at a club that needs a third tall defender (Carl, Ess, Hawks and even the Saints) but he isn't in our future so Wallace has made the right call.
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andy has lost me! u sook. thought u were tough! sorry andy , u r not bigger than the rfc!
If my boss tapped me on the shoulder when I didn't think I was finished, I'd look elsewhere.
Reckon I'd winge about it too. ;D
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Totally agree FF.
X, i think it is below the belt you calling Kellaway a sook. He has been a great servant of the club, you cant dispute that.
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Even though i dont agree with the decision to cut Chubba, i am pleased that Wallace has written this article to explain himself and give reasons to why the decision was made.
Well done RFC on this :thumbsup
:gotigers
Agree Bull - totally agree
I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.
True MT - I think it's because his name is out there and because of the way it's been handled. Seriously you'd like to know how it got leaked to Rohan Conolly last week.
X - I agree with some if your comments earlier about the Club making tough decisions - you are absolutely right these.
But to call Andy Kellaway a sook is unfair. Here's a bloke who had a chance to play last week and chose for the better of the team not too because he didn't think he was 100% right. Exactly where has he sooked? I haven't heard one word from Chubba Kellaway, heard from his manager Mr Positive Ricky Nixon :banghead but haven't heard a word from Chubba
Courageous and fantastic club man? Absolutely
Sook? No way
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i never said chubba was never courageous, but he knows the reasons why he is no longer required and he is being a selfish sook about it. he was offered a send off game and never took it because he thought he was better and deserved better. imo archer is courageous, but he is a sook too. remember when snake fended his face off, how he siooked and carried on to the umpire!! well chubba is being a sook, he could have accepted his send off and taken his coaches advice.
if he thinks he would get a game else where he is dreaming. chubba wont be picked up in any draft . he has nothing to offer modern day footy anymore. yes he was gr8 in his hay day and was ok even til now, but for the team to become successful in the modern era, he is not required
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I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.
True MT - I think it's because his name is out there and because of the way it's been handled. Seriously you'd like to know how it got leaked to Rohan Conolly last week.
X - I agree with some if your comments earlier about the Club making tough decisions - you are absolutely right these.
But to call Andy Kellaway a sook is unfair. Here's a bloke who had a chance to play last week and chose for the better of the team not too because he didn't think he was 100% right. Exactly where has he sooked? I haven't heard one word from Chubba Kellaway, heard from his manager Mr Positive Ricky Nixon :banghead but haven't heard a word from Chubba
Courageous and fantastic club man? Absolutely
Sook? No way
It doesn't help Chubba that there are two versions of the same story floating around. One that he knocked back playing because he wasn't 100% right and the other that he was right to play. I don't see Kellaway saying a word until he officially leaves if at all. He hasn't be one for media attention throughout his career.
As for Rohan Connolly - it seems stories leak more when there is disagreement over a club decision. A few other Tigers would have been told their future doesn't lie at Punt Rd either ;) but their names aren't in the papers.
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Kellaway call defended
08 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has defended the decision to sack veteran defender Andrew Kellaway, despite the Tiger wanting to play on.
Wallace said he could understand why some fans disagreed with the club not offering Kellaway a deal, instead suggesting he retire.
Wallace yesterday revealed on the club's website he was disappointed the 30-year-old did not accept an invitation for a farewell game in last week's final clash of the season.
"He had missed six weeks with a hamstring injury and we thought he might like to get himself up and play the last week," Wallace said.
"He trained for two weeks on the track and I had a couple of conversations with him in those last couple of weeks about where he was going and told him I thought it would be in his best interests to retire."
Wallace said the club did not want him competing for a senior spot in 2007 against young players such as Brett Deledio, Andrew Raines, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, Matthew White and Dean Polo. Or against more seasoned campaigners in the Bowden brothers, Joel and Patrick, and Chris Newman.
"When you also have the likes of the taller Will Thursfield, returning from his knee reconstruction, and Darren Gaspar to add to our defence you can see that we have quite a few options back there," Wallace said.
Wallace said he wanted to clarify that it was never a Kellaway versus Gaspar contest.
"That's not fair on Darren, who has been a teammate and good mate of Andy's over the past decade," Wallace.
"Darren . . . is a key-position player in defence, while Andy has played a third man-in role at half-back. He hasn't lined up on the opposition's tall forwards for several years now."
Wallace said coaches had to decide whether to make the hard call on senior players or on kids who might have been in the system for only a couple of years and were yet to properly mature.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20373182%255E19742,00.html
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I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.
True MT - I think it's because his name is out there and because of the way it's been handled. Seriously you'd like to know how it got leaked to Rohan Conolly last week.
X - I agree with some if your comments earlier about the Club making tough decisions - you are absolutely right these.
But to call Andy Kellaway a sook is unfair. Here's a bloke who had a chance to play last week and chose for the better of the team not too because he didn't think he was 100% right. Exactly where has he sooked? I haven't heard one word from Chubba Kellaway, heard from his manager Mr Positive Ricky Nixon :banghead but haven't heard a word from Chubba
Courageous and fantastic club man? Absolutely
Sook? No way
As for Rohan Connolly - it seems stories leak more when there is disagreement over a club decision. A few other Tigers would have been told their future doesn't lie at Punt Rd either ;) but their names aren't in the papers.
spill the beans MT, who are they!!!! if u want , pm them to me and ur word is safe with me........ "omerta!"
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I am another that doesn’t agree with this decision. Chubba to me still had a role to play in the bringing though the younger guys.
I don't think 100 point losses teach the young guys anything good and having a guy like Chubba there helped stop these losses.
As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc, well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.
Stan Elves said something about this on radio in the final week of the season. He could not believe that a RFC would not give Andrew another year for several reasons. 1) Some players are the Glue that keeps the team together by their efforts on the field. He thought Chubba was one of those sort of players (and I agree). 2) Injuries can decimate a side and playing kids before they are ready is not really the answer. Having a guy like Chubba around could be extremely valuable. I also believe this to be true and think we saw this during this season when we had so many injuries.
Anyway it is done, at least they have been open about it (I suppose, can’t really know).
Thanks Chubba, I really do believe the team will miss you. Hope you get a gig elsewhere and show everybody that the game hasn't passed you by yet. Just don't do it against us.
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As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc, well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.
deledio, raines, B1 and B2, newman,harigan, polo, JON(when a bit heavier), thursfeild, sugar, are just some blokes chubba is fighting against 4 a spot on the hbf next yr. chubba has no chance cos he is the brightest, nor the fastest not even the best skilled. all he has is courage and thats it. we want to win premierships and terry knows what we have to do to get one.
chubba wont get a game anywhere next yr, players of his ilk and style are finished, the game has moved on
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As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc, well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.
deledio, raines, B1 and B2, newman,harigan, polo, JON(when a bit heavier), thursfeild, sugar, are just some blokes chubba is fighting against 4 a spot on the hbf next yr. chubba has no chance cos he is the brightest, nor the fastest not even the best skilled. all he has is courage and thats it. we want to win premierships and terry knows what we have to do to get one.
chubba wont get a game anywhere next yr, players of his ilk and style are finished, the game has moved on
X. Totally agree !
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With all due respect to Chubba, he's at the end.
Iif we had a full list he wouldn't get a look in next year.
Terry wants to give opportunities to players like JON & Casserly next season.
The player involved here needed to be honest with himself.
Very disappointed that he declined his farewell match as it would have been the right way to go out.
Unfortunately, I reckon his manager(Nixon) has got in his ear.
Again with due respect, AK is kidding himself IMHO if he thinks he continue at another club.
I'll be amazed if he plays for an AFL club next year.
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As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc, well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.
deledio, raines, B1 and B2, newman,harigan, polo, JON(when a bit heavier), thursfeild, sugar, are just some blokes chubba is fighting against 4 a spot on the hbf next yr. chubba has no chance cos he is the brightest, nor the fastest not even the best skilled. all he has is courage and thats it. we want to win premierships and terry knows what we have to do to get one.
chubba wont get a game anywhere next yr, players of his ilk and style are finished, the game has moved on
On the money X-factor.
Chubba's career accomplishments have far exceeded his perceived natural ability. RFC B&F and A-A selection in 2000 and 150+ games from a supplementary list player is a sensational career. The fact is that age, and the pace & skill of AFL in 2007 have over taken Chubba's ware's.
A sensational career for RFC Andy, just not suited to modern footy and RFC for 2007 and beyond.
Would like to see Andy remain a 1-club AFL player, and IMO suggest that Andy would be embarassed if he placed himself in the PSD as it is highly likely that he would be overlooked.
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I dunno.....The Saints still have Peckett and Powell in their team. Chubba is a better player than either of them and How Fiora is still getting a game stuffs me. Saints might pick him up I reckon.
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I dunno.....The Saints still have Peckett and Powell in their team. Chubba is a better player than either of them and How Fiora is still getting a game stuffs me. Saints might pick him up I reckon.
Why would the Saints pick him up ? Thay have got Fischer (good developing player) as the 3rd defensive tall, and Montagna running off a HBF has had his best season replacing A.Jones.
Powell gets his own ball & Peckett has more pace. Both will probably be gone by 07 (depending on Harvey & Thommo), so couldn't see the Saints adopting a Mark Graham strategy.
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Kellaway could still get a game a Carlton to help out their defence while they rebuild their list. It's not like they'll be moving up the ladder in the next few years. Apart from Thornton, Whitnall and the O'Hailpin they don't have many other tallish options in their backline.
Chubba's career accomplishments have far exceeded his perceived natural ability. RFC B&F and A-A selection in 2000 and 150+ games from a supplementary list player is a sensational career. The fact is that age, and the pace & skill of AFL in 2007 have over taken Chubba's ware's.
A sensational career for RFC Andy, just not suited to modern footy and RFC for 2007 and beyond.
Nicely said Darth.
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Kellaway could still get a game a Carlton to help out their defence while they rebuild their list. It's not like they'll be moving up the ladder in the next few years. Apart from Thornton, Whitnall and the O'Hailpin they don't have many other tallish options in their backline.
Perhaps MT, but, do you think that the Carlscum would let Livingstone go (a 1st round - 4th choice draft pick) to bring Chubba in ?
Just cant see the Bpoos go for a 30+ year old when they are under the pump for recruiting mature age & recycled players, when late draft gems have been unearthed at other clubs.
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All I can say is that Chubba should of been Capuanoed years ago.
Thank god there are no more Kellaways at the club:- a blight on the game!
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All I can say is that Chubba should of been Capuanoed years ago.
Thank god there are no more Kellaways at the club:- a blight on the game!
Here here Dibbler its clear Wallace is staring to realise the ferals will turn soon and he to will drown in saliva walking up the race after another familiar flogging. 5 years to late for this dud.
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Please note guys that I didnd't say that I thought Chubba would get picked up as I doubt he will. I said I hoped he got picked up. There is no reason to wish somebody who has been at the club for so long anything but the best. Just becasue some of you don't think he is up to it anymore (or never was) is no reason for some of the more spitefull comments that have been added here.
I just don't get kids today :help
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Ignore the rants of the recent blow-ins fluffy ;). They've been doing the same old double act for the last 6 years since the old now-defunct Roarpower site :sleep.
Kellaway could still get a game a Carlton to help out their defence while they rebuild their list. It's not like they'll be moving up the ladder in the next few years. Apart from Thornton, Whitnall and the O'Hailpin they don't have many other tallish options in their backline.
Perhaps MT, but, do you think that the Carlscum would let Livingstone go (a 1st round - 4th choice draft pick) to bring Chubba in ?
Just cant see the Bpoos go for a 30+ year old when they are under the pump for recruiting mature age & recycled players, when late draft gems have been unearthed at other clubs.
Forgot about Livingstone Darth although he is much maligned at the Blues given he was picked up at #4 in the 2002? draft yet has delivered little. I was thinking Chubba would be more a PSD pick for the Blues. Get kids in the National draft and some experience in the PSD.
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The Diggler/Laff double act is was and always will be the best AFL gimmick on the net. I cant allow pot shots from the cheap seats MT and I expected better from you. Diggler/Laff is the doyen of truth. The ferals hate him coz he is right 99% of the time. I will defend the truth. Diggler and Laff are not blow ins...they my friends are the rfc leaders of the future!
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From 'so long, and thanks for the memories' to just 'so long'
Rohan Connolly
The Age
September 10, 2006
SENTIMENT spilled freely around AFL football for the past couple of weeks as a steady stream of players said their goodbyes.
Last Sunday, it was Hawthorn's John Barker and the Kangaroos' Sav Rocca.
But it's fair to say the little surge of football romanticism came to an abrupt halt this week, and the sense of ruthlessness that accompanies today's game well and truly restored. Just ask Andrew Kellaway or Clark Keating.
Kellaway, one of Richmond's most popular players, might well have played his last game of AFL football knowing that his farewell came not in front of a packed MCG, nor even the Punt Road training track, but on a surfboard.
That was where he strained his hamstring, forcing a late withdrawal from Richmond's round-17 clash with St Kilda. He had played 15 of 16 games to that point, pretty serviceably, too, and was badly missed that day as the Saints cut though the Richmond defence.
At that point, you might have got sizeable odds on the 2000 best and fairest not remaining an essential part of the Tiger equation. But when you're over 30 these days, AFL football is a week-to-week proposition.
Kellaway and Keating are keen to play on. But even if either is picked up by another AFL club, it's going to remain a pretty insecure existence on a one-year deal.
The writing was obviously on the wall for Barker, Rocca and Rioli. They'll leave with some fond memories, none the least the manner in which they were allowed to say goodbye.
It's a different story for the Kellaways, Keatings and Johnsons. They should be kicking back, enjoying the break from another year's hard toil and effort. But you can bet they're not.
A harsh and unforgiving business is AFL football. Particularly if you're in the latter stages of your career and are proud enough to believe you have something substantial to offer.
Full article at: http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/09/1157222383432.html
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Ignore the rants of the recent blow-ins fluffy ;). They've been doing the same old double act for the last 6 years since the old now-defunct Roarpower site :sleep.
Kellaway could still get a game a Carlton to help out their defence while they rebuild their list. It's not like they'll be moving up the ladder in the next few years. Apart from Thornton, Whitnall and the O'Hailpin they don't have many other tallish options in their backline.
Perhaps MT, but, do you think that the Carlscum would let Livingstone go (a 1st round - 4th choice draft pick) to bring Chubba in ?
Just cant see the Bpoos go for a 30+ year old when they are under the pump for recruiting mature age & recycled players, when late draft gems have been unearthed at other clubs.
Forgot about Livingstone Darth although he is much maligned at the Blues given he was picked up at #4 in the 2002? draft yet has delivered little. I was thinking Chubba would be more a PSD pick for the Blues. Get kids in the National draft and some experience in the PSD.
MT, is Livingstone getting a game at the Bullants ? Any stats / info / opinion ?? A late developer ???
What is his contract status ? A PSD for the tigers ??
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MT, is Livingstone getting a game at the Bullants ? Any stats / info / opinion ?? A late developer ???
What is his contract status ? A PSD for the tigers ??
Livingston is 23 y.o turning 24 in November. 192cm and 97kg. 2000 draft pick #4. Debut 2002.
14 games with the Bullants and named once in the bests. 46 AFL career games in 5 years with 5, 9 and 5 matches for the Blues in the past 3 years respectively. Been very injury prone too.
http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=581
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Watching the Bulldogs run the ball out of defence, makes you realise that Wallace has made the right call
on this dithering dud!!!
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Watching the Bulldogs run the ball out of defence, makes you realise that Wallace has made the right call
on this dithering dud!!!
exactly and the dogs are atm playing well not just bec eade is the coach but bec terry built that team and set them up to play that style
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someone should dump a truck load o Dust @ Gaspar front door. :pray
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Watching the Bulldogs run the ball out of defence, makes you realise that Wallace has made the right call
on this dithering dud!!!
exactly and the dogs are atm playing well not just bec eade is the coach but bec terry built that team and set them up to play that style
What about Peter Rhode?
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Watching the Bulldogs run the ball out of defence, makes you realise that Wallace has made the right call
on this dithering dud!!!
exactly and the dogs are atm playing well not just bec eade is the coach but bec terry built that team and set them up to play that style
What about Peter Rhode?
what about him, he was given a good list with a good style of play built in them. rather than continue on the way, he tried to change their game style which did not suit that list of players. enter eade and he str8 away retrained the group to run and carry the wallace way. eade understood the type and quality of players terry drafted/selected and has had pretty much instant success unlike rhode
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Wallace drafted the new generation of doggie runners - Gilbee, Giansiracusa, McMahon, Hahn, etc that have finally matured 6 years later on and Rohde got them the early draft picks - Cooney and Ray.
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Wallace drafted the new generation of doggie runners - Gilbee, Giansiracusa, McMahon, Hahn, etc that have finally matured 6 years later on and Rohde got them the early draft picks - Cooney and Ray.
the doggies would be just as good without cooney and ray
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Wallace drafted the new generation of doggie runners - Gilbee, Giansiracusa, McMahon, Hahn, etc that have finally matured 6 years later on and Rohde got them the early draft picks - Cooney and Ray.
the doggies would be just as good without cooney and ray
Cooney will be a gun in a few years but agree about Ray. When we last played the dogs he almost single-handedly got us back in the game with his blind turnovers straight to the Bowden boys.
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Forget about the Doggies running ability - it's their skills. They have to best team in the comp for disposal by foot by an 1000 kms - they just hit target after target
Silky!!!!!!!!!!!
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Forget about the Doggies running ability - it's their skills. They have to best team in the comp for disposal by foot by an 1000 kms - they just hit target after target
Silky!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to Chocco Royal ;).
Is/was Royal or Wheadon our skills coach?
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Wallace drafted the new generation of doggie runners - Gilbee, Giansiracusa, McMahon, Hahn, etc that have finally matured 6 years later on and Rohde got them the early draft picks - Cooney and Ray.
the doggies would be just as good without cooney and ray
Cooney will be a gun in a few years but agree about Ray. When we last played the dogs he almost single-handedly got us back in the game with his blind turnovers straight to the Bowden boys.
MT,
Gotta disagree. Ray was all class on Sunday afternoon. For a period there in tehs econd and thrid quarters, he was a key aprt of nearly every move that ended in a Doggies goal. Some of his long kicks/passes to a teammate were exceptional.
I rate Ray haigher than Cooney. Cooney misses lots and lots of targets. Eade saw it the same way on Sunday and parked Cooney on the forward line from the 2nd quarter, whilst Ray had a license to roam wherever he wanted.
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Cooney will be a gun in a few years but agree about Ray. When we last played the dogs he almost single-handedly got us back in the game with his blind turnovers straight to the Bowden boys.
MT,
Gotta disagree. Ray was all class on Sunday afternoon. For a period there in tehs econd and thrid quarters, he was a key aprt of nearly every move that ended in a Doggies goal. Some of his long kicks/passes to a teammate were exceptional.
I rate Ray haigher than Cooney. Cooney misses lots and lots of targets. Eade saw it the same way on Sunday and parked Cooney on the forward line from the 2nd quarter, whilst Ray had a license to roam wherever he wanted.
Fair enough HKT. I didn't see the game on the weekend. He obviously much have had just a bad day against us.
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* Chubba has put his name in the draft. Thinks he has a 1-2 years left.
* Doing part-time work at the moment as a labourer helping out a friend of the family's landscaping business.
* Little bit of interest from other clubs but not too much. Needs to keep fit just in case you get picked up.
* Not fussy where he goes. Hopes he can fill a gap like what Mark Graham and Montgomery have done.
* Doesn't think he'll be asked to change his playing style as all clubs would know how he plays.
* Matthew Campbell said if we don't play finals next year it will be a bad year ::). Chubba responded by saying we still have a number of young guys coming through.
* Career: individually - consistent; team - didn't play as many finals as he and us wished.
* If doesn't get picked up he'll just get on with life. Might travel first with his wife.
[SMS thanked him for his efforts at Richmond]
* Thanked Tiger supporters for their support. Said he still has lots of good friends at Richmond.
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Age spells the end
Jackie Epstein
Herald-Sun
19th November 2006
ANDREW Kellaway sees a worrying trend developing at football clubs.
It's not flooding or unsavoury tactics, but rather the tendency to flippantly dispense with older players.
He turns 31 on Thursday and two days later, at the national draft, is hoping to find a new home.
The former Tiger was hoping for another two years and had no real inkling he was headed for the scrapheap.
"I was definitely keen to keep going and I think at one stage the club was keen to keep going with me, but by the end of the season it had changed," Kellaway said.
"I'm definitely disappointed, but it seems to be happening to a few guys at the moment. Guys who have been there for a while -- if they have a quieter year and they're older and out of contract, it can be an interesting time for them.
"That seems to be happening more and more just in AFL in general. I put myself in that group where, through whatever reason, just having a quieter season or getting injured at the wrong time and being out of contract, it makes things a bit awkward."
Kellaway, who made his debut in 1998, was told at season's end he was no longer required. Coach Terry Wallace indicated that the way forward was with youth.
"I was reasonably shocked and disappointed," Kellaway said.
"I wouldn't put my name back in the draft now if I wasn't keen.
"I feel really good physically and mentally so I see no reason why I can't fill a spot somewhere."
http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,20780664-11088,00.html
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"That seems to be happening more and more just in AFL in general. I put myself in that group where, through whatever reason, just having a quieter season or getting injured at the wrong time and being out of contract, it makes things a bit awkward."
Although he got delisted because he was neither a KPP nor a modern day rebounding defender, it's interesting Chubba mentions about getting injured at the wrong time. Maybe doing his hammy did contribute in some way to his axing ???.
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How funny his dog being named Dudley :lol
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Kellaway swaps boots for bags
13 December 2006 Herald-Sun
Bruce Matthews with Zac Milbank
TRAVEL instead of training is now on the agenda for discarded Richmond defender Andrew Kellaway.
Kellaway and his wife Kate are expected to take the opportunity to see the world after the popular Tiger failed to find a new AFL home.
"Whenever footy finishes, a lot of guys like to do that sort of thing. That's probably my go," Kellaway said yesterday.
"I'm open to offers, obviously, in terms of footy at some stage. But as we speak, it's probably a bit of travelling."
Kellaway, who turned 31 two weeks ago, was a shock delisting when Richmond dumped him after 172 games, including 15 this season.
He became another casualty of the ever-increasing search for speed that he couldn't compensate for with his courage and competitive spirit.
A Tiger mainstay for the past decade, the 2000 best-and-fairest winner and All-Australian backman trained alone in the hope of finding another club. But the phone didn't ring and he realised his career had come to an end.
"I tried to maintain my fitness, but I realised pretty soon there weren't many calls coming through and there wasn't much interest," Kellaway said.
"I've enjoyed my footy and my career and I was keen to go on. But nothing has happened and I suppose it's time to do something else for a little bit.
"Maybe when we get back from travelling and there's any opportunities in footy with coaching and stuff, well, I'll have a look then."
Former Richmond skipper Wayne Campbell landed a coaching job with the Western Bulldogs for the new season after spending 12 months travelling overseas.
Carlton backman Luke Livingston, pick No. 4 in the 2000 national draft, was among the other big names overlooked in yesterday's pre-season draft. The list also included Brisbane's three-time premiership ruckman Clark Keating, Adelaide games record-holder Ben Hart, Collingwood Grand Final defender Jason Cloke, Hawthorn's Nick Ries, who was a top-25 draft pick in 2000, St Kilda's Troy Schwarze, young Tiger Tom Roach -- axed after just 11 games -- and West Coast's Travis Gaspar.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20919261%255E19742,00.html
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Matthew Clarke was on Richmond's list, and spent a year in its under-19 team.
"We had quite a good team that year," Clarke said, of the 1991 team that included former Tigers Duncan Kellaway and Nick Daffy, as well as one-time Hawk Rayden Tallis and Bulldog Paul Dimmattina.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/12/13/1165685752515.html
Next year will be our first year without a Kellaway on our list in 17 years :o.