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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 05, 2006, 01:21:22 AM
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On SEN before 11pm last night they said Wallace will ask to have a Academy for 12-year old sons of former players who qualify for the Father-Son rule. This would allow the kids to develop through their teens in an AFL club enviroment. He got the idea from his trip overseas. The story will be in the Herald-Sun today.
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Here's the article:
Tigers to nurture cubs in father-son plan
05 December 2006
Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms
RICHMOND will start the potential league careers of former players' sons at the tender age of 10.
The kids, whose ages will range from 10 to 15-plus, will begin training with the Tigers in a father-son academy from next season.
Coach Terry Wallace is behind the ambitious plan to identify and improve the skills of the sons of former Tiger footballers.
He said the youngsters would be invited to special training programs at Punt Rd during each school holiday break.
After their strengths and weaknesses are identified during the special sessions, the children will be given training programs to follow.
And as they become older, they will be also instructed on other aspects of football, including weight training and diet.
Wallace said the only way a club could specifically recruit a young player in the national draft was through the father-son rule.
Clubs must give their third round selection in the draft to take the son of one of their former players.
There have been cases of the sons of former players not being taken because they might have a certain deficiency in their game.
Wallace said the kids' program at Punt Rd could help the youngster overcome the deficiency so hopefully he would become a viable selection for Richmond under the father-son rule.
Had the system already been in place, the Cloke brothers -- Jason, Travis and Cameron -- might have trained with the Tigers since the age of 10 and could have decided to play with Richmond rather than Collingwood, where their father David also played.
"If you go overseas, particularly Europe, you see where they have the ability to start developing their players at 12 years of age though junior squads from 12s and 14s and all the way through," Wallace said.
"Before the draft system, we had the ability to develop players when there was zoning and the more work you put into your zone, the more likely you were of getting some quality players out of it.
"If you did it now, they could finish up anywhere, but the one place we can still monitor and assist them is father-son because you know you have got a hold of those players."
Wallace said getting the sons at an early age would give them the chance to become the best possible player.
"The holiday program is there for them to have fun but if we can be identifying kids along the way and assist them with their footy, it's a good service for them and could help us down the track," he said.
"There will be age groups which can be worked on -- 10s to 12s, 13s to 15s and above. The 15s would train like under-18 teams would train and you would start to work with things like diet.
"This will also give us a closer liaison with our past players."
Wallace said he believed kids at 10 could start to work on their skills.
He said a player who might have a problem with a skills such as kicking would benefit greatly from working under someone like Nathan Brown.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20872062%255E20322,00.html
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Terry thinking ahead to the future as usual. He pinched your idea of a Academy Ramps ;).
Tyson Tambling will be able to train with his dad :thumbsup. And Flea has three sons under 10 doesn't he?
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Does anyone have a bit of a rough idea on what past players (eligible for Father/Son) have sons?
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Tony Free's boy is said to a young kid going places in sport.
PS- Richmond TAFE was more the academy I was looking for but this is a great innitiative as well.
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Cubs set for early boost
8:49:13 AM Tue 5 December, 2006
Jennifer Witham
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace believes the development of an academy-type development program for young sons of former players will greatly assist the Tigers in years to come.
Wallace said the Tigers will look at inviting the children of former players as young as 10 years old to come to the club for school holiday programs designed to kick-start their preparation as emerging players......
.....The Tigers coach, who was influenced to trial such a program by similar designs in Europe, used the recently-delisted Tom Roach as a prime example why the idea will prove fruitful.
"I think some of his skill acquisition and his decision making … if we had of been able to grab him eight to 10 years previously, you might have had a better player in your system at that particular stage," he said.
Full article:
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=308750
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Apparently Emmett Dunne and Bryan Wood's boys are eligible for F/S this year. Freezer's boy next year.
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but can they play?
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but can they play?
Don't know Ramps but I guess them being mentioned means they are at least showing something at junior level for the Club to keep an eye on them. But you're right it doesn't mean we will draft them (ie. Kym Monteath and Kevin Morris' son over the last couple of years)
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Does anyone know of any future father sons playing in the U18 tac competition? would love to know who to keep an eye on.
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Wish Richo would start breeding :pray
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Does anyone know of any future father sons playing in the U18 tac competition? would love to know who to keep an eye on.
2007: Emmett Dunne and Bryan Wood's sons
2008: Tony Free's boy
I'll see if I can find out their kids' first names.
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If the Dunne's have a tradition of passing on names to the next generation, there's a chance the boy might divorce himself from the family before he would have been eligible for F/S. :whistle
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What about Jono Lee, does anyone know where he is playing this year? ???
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What about Jono Lee, does anyone know where he is playing this year? ???
Gone across the border to SA to play for Woodville-West Torrens. The RFC had a look at him and Kevin Morris' son last year but neither made it.
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What about Jono Lee, does anyone know where he is playing this year? ???
Gone across the border to SA to play for Woodville-West Torrens. The RFC had a look at him and Kevin Morris' son last year but neither made it.
thanks MT,
with regard to Jono Lee, I quite liked him playing for the Bendigo Pioneers. Sort of see him in the Simmonds or Pattison mould. REasonable height, good solid tapwork, reasonable mobility and skills. Should keep an eye on him, potentially as a future rookie-listed player.
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Louis Patrick Kellaway entered this world a couple of weeks ago.
Congratulations Dunc and Alexandra
With the Holland and Kellaway genes, would have to be a tiger player of the future :thumbsup
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Louis Patrick Kellaway entered this world a couple of weeks ago.
Congratulations Dunc and Alexandra
With the Holland and Kellaway genes, would have to be a tiger player of the future :thumbsup
no we want players that can run and kick
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Louis Patrick Kellaway entered this world a couple of weeks ago.
Congratulations Dunc and Alexandra
With the Holland and Kellaway genes, would have to be a tiger player of the future :thumbsup
no we want players that can run and kick
I was just waiting for it - glad you didn't let me down :lol
Expect Diggler to rock up for that news :rollin
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I wonder if he was named after a certain Tiger Supporter. :lol
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I wonder if he was named after a certain Tiger Supporter. :lol
:chuck
He was born on St Patrick's Day and I think they were married in Ireland, hence Patrick.
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Louis Patrick Kellaway entered this world a couple of weeks ago.
Congratulations Dunc and Alexandra
With the Holland and Kellaway genes, would have to be a tiger player of the future :thumbsup
no we want players that can run and kick
I was just waiting for it - glad you didn't let me down :lol
Expect Diggler to rock up for that news :rollin
would i ever let u down moi!!!
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Louis Patrick Kellaway entered this world a couple of weeks ago.
Congratulations Dunc and Alexandra
With the Holland and Kellaway genes, would have to be a tiger player of the future :thumbsup
no we want players that can run and kick
I was just waiting for it - glad you didn't let me down :lol
Expect Diggler to rock up for that news :rollin
would i ever let u down moi!!!
Nah, never lol
We could do with some of Duncan's toughness at the moment - he did have some good things about him. Skills no, courage plenty!
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Wish Richo would start breeding :pray
Julz is first in line to volunteer lol
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Louis Patrick Kellaway entered this world a couple of weeks ago.
Congratulations Dunc and Alexandra
With the Holland and Kellaway genes, would have to be a tiger player of the future :thumbsup
no we want players that can run and kick
:lol
Congrats to Dunc. Hope mum and baby are doing well.
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Louis Kellaway ...
and Matthew Knights Kids
Zac Knights and i forgot the other one ...
so our midfield looks not bad ...
hopefully Louis can kick better then his old man and his uncle ...
no question about The Kellaway's Guts thats for sure !
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Tiger cubs receive guidance
Matthew Trollope | 3/07/2007 5:35:16 PM | Sportal
Lyall Johnson | July 4, 2007 | The Age
The club has embarked on an initiative to invite past players to bring their children to Punt Road to participate in football clinics.
Called the Young Guns program, it will make the club a more close-knit family and give staff the chance to scout talent, according to senior coach Terry Wallace.
As a general philosophy, the clinics are a way of giving former players another link with the club, but more specifically, they will target the children of 100-game players who would be eligible as a father-son selection.
In developing the concept, Wallace said he used examples from overseas where clubs still had traditional links with geographical locations and adapted it to the father-son system, which is the only way under draft system that clubs could identify and nurture talent for their own purposes.
"Once upon a time … you could actually go into your own local area and work with the kids …" he said.
"The one area we do have that is the capability of being able to work with our father-son players. The more work we put into them, the more likelihood is we are going to get something out of it in future years."
The club put on a clinic for the children yesterday. .
The session included a club history lesson for participants, skills sessions with assistant coaches, and strength, conditioning and fitness tests.
Senior players will act as mentors for the boys, further strengthening the bond between the club’s present and future.
“[The boys] get the email address of their senior player so if they want any information on their football [such as] anything that they need to work on and improve, they’ve got an ongoing connection with one of the senior players,” Wallace said.
Those who took part in the program included Nick Wood and Kyle Weightman, sons of premiership players Brian and Dale.
“I think it’s a great program that the football club has started up and it really hones in on helping the boys with their skills, and also lets them know about the other things that it takes to play AFL, dietary information and the programs you have to go through,” Nick Wood said.
On playing for Richmond, he said: “It would just be a great honour and a privilege to pull on the black and yellow jumper and I’d just love to play for them, it’s a lifelong dream [of mine] to play AFL [football].”
Wallace hopes the program will grow throughout the year and increase on the 35 boys who took part in the first session. The program is not restricted to boys eligible under the AFL father-son rule whose father must have played 100 games or more for the club - but to the sons of any former Tiger who show some potential.
“It was our first opportunity to see some of the older boys and straight away our recruiting staff and our assistant coaches have identified two or three guys who they seriously reckon can play and that [we] should be keeping a real eye on from now on, so it’ll be an ongoing program.”
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-seek-defender-amongst-cubs/2007/07/03/1183351210540.html
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/tiger-cubs-receive-guidance-30207
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good concept, hope it works
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not sure about this. how hard is it to keep tabs on young tigers during their junior years? i have seen enough juniors lose interest in footy because of the pressure of making interleague and representative sides, rather than just being allowed to enjoy playing the game with their mates. and that's without the extra scrutiny that having a 100+ game father brings. wait till they are 14 or 15+ or at least well into puberty before having a look at them. its' all academic before then anyway.
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From the RFC site:
The more work we put into them the more benefit we can get out of that in future years. If you pick up a small deficiency in a kid who is 12 or 13 years of age, and work on and try to rectify that weakness, obviously that's going to benefit him in his football life and that may benefit us in the future.
Dale Weightman’s son, eight-year-old Kyle Weightman and 16-year-old Nick Wood, son of triple-premiership winning wingman Bryan Wood, attended the program launch at Punt Road this week.
According to Wallace, they have already identified one or two kids who look quite capable, including Nick Wood.
Wood, who plays football with his St Kevin's school side and is on the Oakleigh Chargers' Under-18 list, is another enthusiastic supporter of the program.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=46601
Here's the bio on Nick Wood. He's eligible for F/S next year.
Nicholas WOOD
Club: Oakleigh Chargers/ St Kevins College
Guernsey No.: 42
D.O.B.: 22/09/90
Height: 176 cm
Weight: 71 kg
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is he any good?
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is he any good?
Don't know bluey. Wood played his first TAC Cup game last weekend. 6 kicks (2 eff), 2 handball receives, 3 tackles and kicked a point. Oakleigh kicked 3.21 :o in going down to North Ballarat by 38 points.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Nicholas%20Wood&action=PSTATS&pID=187106319&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262037 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Nicholas%20Wood&action=PSTATS&pID=187106319&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262037)
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Miller said Bryan Wood and Michael Pickering's boys could be potential Father-Sons for us next year.
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Miller said Bryan Wood and Michael Pickering's boys could be potential Father-Sons for us next year.
Does anyone by chance know the names of the two kids?
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There's a Sam Wood summer training with the Western Jets. Don't know if he's related to Bryan.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9424042&postcount=1
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There's a Will Pickering on Calder Cannons' training list as well. Apparently Michael does have a son eligible for F/S next year but I don't know if that's him.
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Bump.
A reminder that we've got a couple of potential Father-Sons this year. So keep an eye out on Nick Wood (Oakleigh Chargers, son of Bryan) and I think Will Pickering (Western Jets, son of Michael) in the TAC Cup.
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yeah knowing our luck they will turn out to be superstars and we have to bid for them along with 15 other clubs and lose.
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It would be handy if one of our former talls could deliver us a promising young KPP :pray. Apart from Richo 15 years ago we haven't had much luck since. I heard early last year that Emmett Dunne's son was a potential F/S but there's been no mention of him since.
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I heard today that Craig Lambert doesn't want his son playing for a Victorian club even though we are eligible to pick the boy up under the Father-Son rule when he enters the draft (I don't know how old the boy is). No reason was given but apparently Lambert is serious about it. Brisbane, where Lambert is an assistant coach, can't get him as a F/S as Lambert didn't play enough games (Craig only played 96 up there so four short; 123 with Richmond) but the Lions are trying to get the F/S rules changed again so they can. If the new Gold Coast is given a free run at all Queensland kids then he could end up there.
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Bump.
A reminder that we've got a couple of potential Father-Sons this year. So keep an eye out on Nick Wood (Oakleigh Chargers, son of Bryan) and I think Will Pickering (Western Jets, son of Michael) in the TAC Cup.
Nick Wood is no where to be seen on any TAC cup list. :-\
And it seems Will Pickering is at the Calder Cannons. Should I read more into going there it being a Coburg/Richmond connection? :shh Pity he's a stick. 188cms, 75 kgs. :-\
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Bump.
A reminder that we've got a couple of potential Father-Sons this year. So keep an eye out on Nick Wood (Oakleigh Chargers, son of Bryan) and I think Will Pickering (Western Jets, son of Michael) in the TAC Cup.
Nick Wood is no where to be seen on any TAC cup list. :-\
And it seems Will Pickering is at the Calder Cannons. Should I read more into going there it being a Coburg/Richmond connection? :shh Pity he's a stick. 188cms, 75 kgs. :-\
yes but dont u see other clubs would turn that 75kgs into 85kgs within a few years.
meanwhile at punt road we ensure players get drafted under 70kgs
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Bump.
A reminder that we've got a couple of potential Father-Sons this year. So keep an eye out on Nick Wood (Oakleigh Chargers, son of Bryan) and I think Will Pickering (Western Jets, son of Michael) in the TAC Cup.
Nick Wood is no where to be seen on any TAC cup list. :-\
Just noticed that too tigersalive. The only Wood is a Sam Wood with the Western Jets.
Josh Free son of Tony is 174cm, 77 kgs at the North Ballarant Rebels.
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SCREW LAMBERT
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Bump.
A reminder that we've got a couple of potential Father-Sons this year. So keep an eye out on Nick Wood (Oakleigh Chargers, son of Bryan) and I think Will Pickering (Western Jets, son of Michael) in the TAC Cup.
Nick Wood is no where to be seen on any TAC cup list. :-\
Just noticed that too tigersalive. The only Wood is a Sam Wood with the Western Jets.
Josh Free son of Tony is 174cm, 77 kgs at the North Ballarant Rebels.
Too small dont want him
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SCREW LAMBERT
second that X he walked away from us so screw him
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SCREW LAMBERT
second that X he walked away from us so screw him
yep screw him with the mutha of all prickly cactus
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Just as an aside Andy Goodwin's son has gone into boxing (no joke) lol.
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Free's son Josh was named 4th best in North Ballarat win over Gippsland in the TAC Cup. I think he named in a back pocket in the team named.
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v3/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=8&pg=1&a=MR_
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Bump.
A reminder that we've got a couple of potential Father-Sons this year. So keep an eye out on Nick Wood (Oakleigh Chargers, son of Bryan) and I think Will Pickering (Western Jets, son of Michael) in the TAC Cup.
Nick Wood is no where to be seen on any TAC cup list. :-\
Just noticed that too tigersalive. The only Wood is a Sam Wood with the Western Jets.
Josh Free son of Tony is 174cm, 77 kgs at the North Ballarant Rebels.
Too small dont want him
That is small but he is only 16 apparently and eligible for the 2009 draft. It depends if he grows any taller.
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needs to find another 6cm and get to 180 at that height it will come down to pace and skill level.
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needs to find another 6cm and get to 180 at that height it will come down to pace and skill level.
Yep he'll need electrifying pace, footskills and footy smarts to make it in the AFL at that height.
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The AFL is considering a proposal from North to reduce the number of games required to be eligible to be a Father-Son selection from 100 back down to 50. They also suggest that nothing more than a 2nd round draft pick be used to draft a Father-Son.
Full article at:
Father-son rule may be eased
Caroline Wilson | May 21, 2008
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fatherson-rule-to-ease/2008/05/20/1211182803000.html
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The AFL is considering a proposal from North to reduce the number of games required to be eligible to be a Father-Son selection from 100 back down to 50. They also suggest that nothing more than a 2nd round draft pick be used to draft a Father-Son.
Full article at:
Father-son rule may be eased
Caroline Wilson | May 21, 2008
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fatherson-rule-to-ease/2008/05/20/1211182803000.html
50's not very many. Can you imagine how may F/S selections would become available. 100 seems about right to me. 4 - 5 seasons.
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needs to find another 6cm and get to 180 at that height it will come down to pace and skill level.
Nathan Foley - 177cm, 80kg
Jake King - 174cm, 74kg
If young Freezer is good enough he can make it as he is.
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Seen Tony Free down at Coburg a few weeks ago with one of his younges sons, he was taking him into the rooms to see some of the Richmond players.
He still has yellow and black in his blood old Freeza
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Seen Tony Free down at Coburg a few weeks ago with one of his younges sons, he was taking him into the rooms to see some of the Richmond players.
He still has yellow and black in his blood old Freeza
geez freezer was a gun. i remember him well and i just hope cogs doesn't turn out just like him......
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According to Tony his son is still growing.
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The AFL is considering a proposal from North to reduce the number of games required to be eligible to be a Father-Son selection from 100 back down to 50. They also suggest that nothing more than a 2nd round draft pick be used to draft a Father-Son.
Full article at:
Father-son rule may be eased
Caroline Wilson | May 21, 2008
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fatherson-rule-to-ease/2008/05/20/1211182803000.html
50's not very many. Can you imagine how may F/S selections would become available. 100 seems about right to me. 4 - 5 seasons.
50 games would make more players available. Can anyone tell me whats happened to Trevor Pooles boy, not eligible under f/s coz hes dad only has 99 games lol ... but at 50 games he would be eligible and last I heard he was considered a decent prospect.
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geez freezer was a gun. i remember him well and i just hope cogs doesn't turn out just like him......
whatb ya mean he already has :lol ;D
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50 games would make more players available. Can anyone tell me whats happened to Trevor Pooles boy, not eligible under f/s coz hes dad only has 99 games lol ... but at 50 games he would be eligible and last I heard he was considered a decent prospect.
At 50 games he would also be eligible to be taken F/S by Geelong.
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Razor was another 99 gamer.
The big carrot in the change IMV is the 2nd rounder limit. If you're near the top of the ladder by 2010-11 you could still score a gun via the F/S for a mid-30 pick to offset the new teams having the top 5 picks to themselves.
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Am I right in thinking that Kane Lucas can come to us as a father/son pick?
There is video of him on the Bigpond site.
9. Kane Lucas – 188cm, 79kg
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/63164
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Not sure mate. I think there was some excitement/confusion six months ago and it was eventually confirmed that he wasn't a Richmond F/S. Would love that to be wrong.
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Not sure mate. I think there was some excitement/confusion six months ago and it was eventually confirmed that he wasn't a Richmond F/S. Would love that to be wrong.
I just read that his old man played a few games for South Melbourne.
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Never want to see another father/son player at Punt rd as long as l'm alive
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Sorry to hear that, TM. I was hoping you'd scrape through to 50. ;D
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Sorry to hear that, TM. I was hoping you'd scrape through to 50. ;D
;D
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Never want to see another father/son player at Punt rd as long as l'm alive
not even a son of Wayne?
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CORRECT No father / son at all
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CORRECT No father / son at all
Son of Richo?
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Josh Free came 4th in North Ballarat Rebels B&F and was also named joint best first year player in his first year in the TAC Cup.
1 Hooper, Andrew 188
2 McKenzie, Ryan 169
3 Roughead, Jordan 168
4 Free, Josh 157 - picked up votes in 10 of the 20 games.
5 Tate, Oliver 156
6 Weadon, Bryn 152
7 Suban, Nick 109
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?c=0-3020-27610-67827-8058800 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?c=0-3020-27610-67827-8058800)
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What a bugger with these new father/son rules.
Geelong got to clean up on them with 3rd rounders.
Now if Free is a gun, we have to use our first rounder on him.
The only way we get a steal is if he is a clear number 1 pick and we have pick 12-16.
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What a bugger with these new father/son rules.
Geelong got to clean up on them with 3rd rounders.
Now if Free is a gun, we have to use our first rounder on him.
The only way we get a steal is if he is a clear number 1 pick and we have pick 12-16.
He's not a gun. Yet.
He's a just a hard at it in and under toiler that is shorter than 175cm.
I think the father son rule will serve us just fine on this one if we decide to draft him.
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When will he be eliable for the draft?
Stripes
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I suppose at 16 or 17 he still might have a bit of growing but I believe being a back pocket player and at under 175cm he wouldn't go to the later rounds anyway.
Jake King is listed at 174cm and Foley at 177cm in comparison terms.
If he is a gun hopefully he can tone it down a bit and we can pick him up cheap and then he can burn it up.
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He'll need electrifying pace and skills to make it in the AFL at that height. Fort Caruso gunned it at TAC cup level but was overlooked at the draft. I could see Free jnr slipping to our last pick at the very least as F/S because he's only 174cm.
When will he be eliable for the draft?
Next year Stripes.
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What a bugger with these new father/son rules.
Geelong got to clean up on them with 3rd rounders.
Now if Free is a gun, we have to use our first rounder on him.
The only way we get a steal is if he is a clear number 1 pick and we have pick 12-16.
with the bidding process now in place, I would think we would nominate a R3 or 4 pick...would be highly unlikely that we would be forced to counter a R1 or 2 selection on a pint size champ
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What a bugger with these new father/son rules.
Geelong got to clean up on them with 3rd rounders.
Now if Free is a gun, we have to use our first rounder on him.
The only way we get a steal is if he is a clear number 1 pick and we have pick 12-16.
with the bidding process now in place, I would think we would nominate a R3 or 4 pick...would be highly unlikely that we would be forced to counter a R1 or 2 selection on a pint size champ
We would only have to match the highest bid if another club bids first. If no one bids for him then we would be able to pick him up under the F/S rule with our last pick in the draft whatever that is. IIRC the Pies and Cats respectively selected Jaxson Barham and Donovan with their last pick in the 90s last year.
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What a bugger with these new father/son rules.
Geelong got to clean up on them with 3rd rounders.
Now if Free is a gun, we have to use our first rounder on him.
The only way we get a steal is if he is a clear number 1 pick and we have pick 12-16.
Without even knowing, my gut feel is that this kid is not going to work out. No logic just a gut feel.
with the bidding process now in place, I would think we would nominate a R3 or 4 pick...would be highly unlikely that we would be forced to counter a R1 or 2 selection on a pint size champ
We would only have to match the highest bid if another club bids first. If no one bids for him then we would be able to pick him up under the F/S rule with our last pick in the draft whatever that is. IIRC the Pies and Cats respectively selected Jaxson Barham and Donovan with their last pick in the 90s last year.
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Freezer's son is very competitive but he's small and he apparently isn't overtly quick :-\. So not much on the F/S horizon for us. Compare that to the Bulldogs who have SIX father-sons coming up in the next few years and all are playing for their state at junior levels. Lucky them :P.
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With the shafting thats about to occur in the draft with GC coming in and the change in the draft age, father-son selections are worth their weight in gold.
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Josh Free was B.O.G. today for North Ballarat Rebels in their win over Bendigo.
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Josh Free was B.O.G. today for North Ballarat Rebels in their win over Bendigo.
hopefully he flies under the radar a bit more later on in the season. we would want to get him cheaply with F&S
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Josh Free was B.O.G. today for North Ballarat Rebels in their win over Bendigo.
hopefully he flies under the radar a bit more later on in the season. we would want to get him cheaply with F&S
Freezer jnr is small (height and weight) and isn't overty quick so he'll probably be available late in the draft.
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Josh Free was B.O.G. today for North Ballarat Rebels in their win over Bendigo.
hopefully he flies under the radar a bit more later on in the season. we would want to get him cheaply with F&S
Freezer jnr is small (height and weight) and isn't overty quick so he'll probably be available late in the draft.
must be quicker than a few though MT, the kid is rarely out of the best players , that always tells me me something about the callibre of a player v his peers :clapping
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Josh Free was B.O.G. today for North Ballarat Rebels in their win over Bendigo.
hopefully he flies under the radar a bit more later on in the season. we would want to get him cheaply with F&S
Freezer jnr is small (height and weight) and isn't overty quick so he'll probably be available late in the draft.
must be quicker than a few though MT, the kid is rarely out of the best players , that always tells me me something about the callibre of a player v his peers :clapping
That's true bj but I was talking more from how he would go at AFL level. A bit like Fort Caruso. A gun at U18 level but too small and not lightning quick to make it at AFL level. When a youngster is that small then unless they have blitzering pace both offensively and defensively like a Rioli or the Davey brothers then recruiters will go cold on the kid.
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Id still be taking him, we dont have a small defender who can shut down small forwards- thats why Josh Free should be drafted- there comes a time when you just have to pick this type of player to play a specific role.
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Id still be taking him, we dont have a small defender who can shut down small forwards- thats why Josh Free should be drafted- there comes a time when you just have to pick this type of player to play a specific role.
and you make that judgement on seeing him play, how many times?
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Josh Free was B.O.G. today for North Ballarat Rebels in their 98-point flogging of the Sandringham Dragons.
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Tiges yearn for Free
News Limited
May 17, 2009
AFTER a poor start to 2009, Tiger fans are no doubt keeping an eye on the TAC Cup to see who might be on the recruiting radar.
And while there is still a long way to go, there's little doubt young North Ballarat Rebels player Josh Free is causing some excitement.
Free, 17, is the son of former Tiger skipper Tony Free and his name has cropped up on Richmond forums across the internet.
The young midfielder has started this season in blazing form, notching up scores of possessions for the Rebels.
North Ballarat region manager Phil Partington said it wasn't hard to work who was his father.
"He's very similar to Tony," Partington said this week. "Josh has been going very well. He's been in our best in four of his five games."
Free won the club's best first-year player in 2008 and was recently selected to trial with the Victorian Country squad.
Free missed out when the squad was pruned to 40 during the week.
Partington said the Rebels were impressed with Free's team ethic and courage.
"If it comes down to commitment at the footy, he ticks all the boxes," he said.
After 133 games with the Tigers, Tony Free replaced Greg Miller on the Richmond board last year.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25492288-5016140,00.html
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I hope if Josh comes to the club that Tony will step down
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lets hope he grows to somewhere between 178(his old man) and 180.
anything under 175 IMO is too small unless your name is Brent Harvey.
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lets hope he grows to somewhere between 178(his old man) and 180.
anything under 175 IMO is too small unless your name is Brent Harvey.
So if he is 181cm you don't want him? :lol
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Ok so can we get him this year under the father son rule or will those idiots at GC17 have first crack. If we get him don't we have to use the pick in accordance of how good he is as viewd by other clubs, or they can get him??????
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as they say he got pruned from the squad which means we dont want him :help
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still want to get him on the cheap. can't hurt
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Free junior named in the bests again yesterday....
North Ballarat Rebels 1.1 3.4 6.6 8.8 (56)
Northern Knights 3.2 3.3 5.8 7.10 (52)
GOALS:
North Ballarat Rebels: Cook 3 Parish 2 Bourke Close Gavin
Northern Knights: Boyden Woods Taglieri Briffa Lambert Shaw Walsh
BEST:
North Ballarat Rebels: Bourke Tate Darmody Cowling Peters Free
Northern Knights: Woods Marcon Barden Smith-Whiting Grgic Taglieri
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Josh Free
Jumper No: 7
Date of Birth: 02/07/1991
Height: 176cm
Weight: 78kg
Local Club: Swan Hill/Ballarat & Clarendon College
(http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/33/64/336402_1_L.jpg)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/gallery.cgi?g=10583&c=1-3020-27610-0-0&e=27610&et=3&ci=8&ti=0&a=prev
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simple if he cant make a squad of 40 how the hell is he going to play league football. Its telling you he aint got what is required
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He is ours if we want. If no-one else wants him we can use pick 70 on him.
Small types are the flavour of the month again.
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simple if he cant make a squad of 40 how the hell is he going to play league football. Its telling you he aint got what is required
I wouldn't be riding off the worst player at U/18 level just cause they don't make Cup or State teams.
Absolutely ride off players and kids at your peril.
History has shown the quality come through the ranks as rookies etc. Sam Mitchell was evaluated by most clubs and sort as being not good enough. Well his Premiership Captain medal is probably the best way to prove them wrong.
The draft is all about getting the best you can for what you have and if we can pick up Free at worst in the rookie draft if there are other kids further developed then so be it. I think you'd find Josh would develop a lot quicker than other his age and size becasue of of his father and history associated with our club.
I find it genuinely disgusting people can say any 17/18 year old just simply wont cut it at AFL level. Anything can happen in 2-3 years, it's called continium development. Unfortunatly Richmond has been extremely poor in developing recruits over the past few years. Wallace only had a development coach from his 3rd year. - Flabbergasted as to why.
Anyway, I think we should pick him up, he looks good enough for a chance in my book.
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Another thing James Gwilt was picked off a local club football list, and is in the best 22 of the 2nd best side in the comp.
Just cause a player doesn't go through the perfect climbing tree to AFL means he's no good.
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simple if he cant make a squad of 40 how the hell is he going to play league football. Its telling you he aint got what is required
Very narrow minded view, there are around 150 players picked up in the 3 drafts each year
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Wallace only had a development coach from his 3rd year. - Flabbergasted as to why.
Money - pure and simple. Many will judge the club's 5 year plan on on-field results alone and almost solely apportion blame to Wallace. The plan has not succeeded but it hasn't been all Wallace's fault by a long stretch. In racing parlance - he never saw daylight in the run. Whether the coaching group were the best trainer/jockey combination is another issue entirely.
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Wallace only had a development coach from his 3rd year. - Flabbergasted as to why.
Money - pure and simple. Many will judge the club's 5 year plan on on-field results alone and almost solely apportion blame to Wallace. The plan has not succeeded but it hasn't been all Wallace's fault by a long stretch. In racing parlance - he never saw daylight in the run. Whether the coaching group were the best trainer/jockey combination is another issue entirely.
Your right it hasn't been his fault he got asked to make a raft with wood and nails but with no hammer.
Shocking decision to go through a development stage with no money allocated for the core development coaching. Can thank a few players high salaries for not having much money left over. Not the only reason why but one of the main ones. Hopefully we can cull a few high earners to allow some of the money allocated for the football department.
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Wallace only had a development coach from his 3rd year. - Flabbergasted as to why.
Money - pure and simple. Many will judge the club's 5 year plan on on-field results alone and almost solely apportion blame to Wallace. The plan has not succeeded but it hasn't been all Wallace's fault by a long stretch. In racing parlance - he never saw daylight in the run. Whether the coaching group were the best trainer/jockey combination is another issue entirely.
Your right it hasn't been his fault he got asked to make a raft with wood and nails but with no hammer.
Shocking decision to go through a development stage with no money allocated for the core development coaching. Can thank a few players high salaries for not having much money left over. Not the only reason why but one of the main ones. Hopefully we can cull a few high earners to allow some of the money allocated for the football department.
Not the players but one senior coach and ex-football manager who chose a big salary themselves over more resource dedicated to recruiting and player development. That was THEIR call with the money left over after paying their salary.
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Not the players but one senior coach and ex-football manager who chose a big salary themselves over more resource dedicated to recruiting and player development. That was THEIR call with the money left over after paying their salary.
Just on the ex-football manager you speak of I don't think you can say he was on big $$$ for the position he hled. If you look at the Full financials of the past couple of years you'll clearly see what he was on (legally it had to be disclosed because he was a direcotr as well as an employee) and it seems small for the position.
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Not the players but one senior coach and ex-football manager who chose a big salary themselves over more resource dedicated to recruiting and player development. That was THEIR call with the money left over after paying their salary.
Not this administration's fault either. Said coach (and ex-football manager although I dispute his salary was 'big' by any stretch) was employed by the cancerous administration that nearly sent us broke and put us in that situation in the first place. How it can be THEIR fault I can only guess - would it be your fault if your boss paid you well and then went broke?
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Josh Free
Jumper No: 7
Date of Birth: 02/07/1991
Height: 176cm
Weight: 78kg
Local Club: Swan Hill/Ballarat & Clarendon College
(http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/33/64/336402_1_L.jpg)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/gallery.cgi?g=10583&c=1-3020-27610-0-0&e=27610&et=3&ci=8&ti=0&a=prev
certainly looks like he will fill out to be a solid kind of build for his stature, we are likely to have 7 or 8 selections this year...He would be ideal for that R8 pick :gotigers
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Not the players but one senior coach and ex-football manager who chose a big salary themselves over more resource dedicated to recruiting and player development. That was THEIR call with the money left over after paying their salary.
Not this administration's fault either. Said coach (and ex-football manager although I dispute his salary was 'big' by any stretch) was employed by the cancerous administration that nearly sent us broke and put us in that situation in the first place. How it can be THEIR fault I can only guess - would it be your fault if your boss paid you well and then went broke?
Smokey, if I was in a position to be employed in a senior role with a company and effectively said pay me more to do 3 or 4 peoples job - I would be guilty of setting myself up for failure. Good people make the difference.
And yes, I would be strong enough to say no to the money and yes to the resource to be successful in the role. Because in the end, in the long term when you win in sport or business, it is then that the money normally comes - the job just gives you permission to try.
Whichever way you cut it, when you take the responsibility - make it happen or die on the sword.
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Josh Free was mentioned by Kevin Sheahan on Hutchy's show earlier today. Borrowed this summary from Richosgun on BF:
* Named second best for the rebels yesterday
* Polled 2 votes in the coaches votes
* Kevin Sheahan praised him saying he looks a very good "hard inside footballer"
* Richmond have applied to have Josh Free down to train with them over the next three months, which your allowed to do with potential father-sons
* Measurements: 176cm, 78kg
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14797165&postcount=34
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Richmond have applied to have Josh Free down to train with them over the next three months, which your allowed to do with potential father-sons
No harm done getting him down to Punt Rd on a trial when we could grab him with the last pick in the draft if he's any good. You'd doubt another club would bid for him given his lack of height. He would need a good burst of pace on him if he has any chance of making it at AFL level at just 176cm tall.
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Richmond have applied to have Josh Free down to train with them over the next three months, which your allowed to do with potential father-sons
No harm done getting him down to Punt Rd on a trial when we could grab him with the last pick in the draft if he's any good. You'd doubt another club would bid for him given his lack of height. He would need a good burst of pace on him if he has any chance of making it at AFL level at just 176cm tall.
at 176cm and 78kg it must be a relief for the Free family to see the back of TW. because the boy was too tall and heavy to be playing for Richmond. ;D
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At his age, you'd expect that he'd put on another cm or two in the next 12-24 months.
Question is, at his height he's really only going to be a good small forward or rover at AFL level, maybe a back pocket to play on those small goal sneaks. But the big thing all those types of players have going for them is their speed, does Josh have that?
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Free was named in the bests again for the Rebels (22 disposals, 11 marks, 6 tackles, 1 goal) although they got flogged by 70 points and the TAC Cup teams are weaker at the moment with the better players playing in the U18 Champs.
Here's his stats for the year so far:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Josh%20Free&action=PSTATS&pID=188650878&client=1-3020-0-81015-8058800 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Josh%20Free&action=PSTATS&pID=188650878&client=1-3020-0-81015-8058800)
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TJ (Tony Junior) needs to get taller, 176cm is a question. yes, Richmond have Foley, King, Nahas that are under 180cm, but how many can we have? if he is like Tony, well, Tony Free was a favourite player of mine when i young, so my answer will be draft him!
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At his age, you'd expect that he'd put on another cm or two in the next 12-24 months.
Question is, at his height he's really only going to be a good small forward or rover at AFL level, maybe a back pocket to play on those small goal sneaks. But the big thing all those types of players have going for them is their speed, does Josh have that?
I don't believe so Infamy so that's the knock on Free junior (short but not overtly quick). Then again Foley worked on improving his speed when he got to Punt Rd.
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At his age, you'd expect that he'd put on another cm or two in the next 12-24 months.
Question is, at his height he's really only going to be a good small forward or rover at AFL level, maybe a back pocket to play on those small goal sneaks. But the big thing all those types of players have going for them is their speed, does Josh have that?
I don't believe so Infamy so that's the knock on Free junior (short but not overtly quick). Then again Foley worked on improving his speed when he got to Punt Rd.
Thing with Foley was at lower levels he always looked like he had plenty of time to get rid of the ball, he also was a frequent visitor to the Alfred with severe leather poisoning. Personally I never really noticed the lack of pace, but hopefully we can get Free for cheap and he turns out to be a gun.
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At his age, you'd expect that he'd put on another cm or two in the next 12-24 months.
Question is, at his height he's really only going to be a good small forward or rover at AFL level, maybe a back pocket to play on those small goal sneaks. But the big thing all those types of players have going for them is their speed, does Josh have that?
I don't believe so Infamy so that's the knock on Free junior (short but not overtly quick). Then again Foley worked on improving his speed when he got to Punt Rd.
Thing with Foley was at lower levels he always looked like he had plenty of time to get rid of the ball, he also was a frequent visitor to the Alfred with severe poisoning. Personally I never really noticed the lack of pace, but hopefully we can get Free for cheap and he turns out to be a gun.
Well if we get Free for pick 90 say or as a rookie then we really don't have anything to lose.
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Josh Free has been named on the bench for North Ballarat Roosters as their one TAC Cup kid this week against Collingwood in the VFL Seniors.
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For anyone interested here is the link for the Pies V Nth Ballarat game on Sunday.
http://livevfl.com.au/_/HOME.html
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Josh Free was named in the bests for North Ballarat Rebels again over the weekend in their win over the Gold Coast side.
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Free in the best again this week - 19 kicks (10 eff), 6 hbs (5 eff), 4 hb receives, 8 marks and 5 tackles.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Josh%20Free&action=PSTATS&pID=188650878&client=1-3020-0-81015-8058800 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Josh%20Free&action=PSTATS&pID=188650878&client=1-3020-0-81015-8058800)
Geelong Falcons 3.1 6.3 7.5 7.11-53
North Ballarat Rebels 1.3 1.5 3.6 4.8-32
North Ballarat Rebels
Goal Kickers: L. Hoy, D. Parish, P. Barber, N. O''Brien
Best Players: K. Bourke, J. Free, J. Slabbert, L. Hoy, D. Gavin, C. Curran
Geelong Falcons
Goal Kickers: G. Rohan 2, J. Grabowski, A. Christensen, T. Williams, M. Sodomaco, B. Cunnington
Best Players: B. Cunnington, M. Fisher, L. Dahlhaus, J. Hussey, T. Ruggles, D. Semmens
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at a glance I reckon he must have been in best players more than half the games, with us likely to have 8 or more picks he shapes as a great pick up for last R selection :rollin
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at a glance I reckon he must have been in best players more than half the games, with us likely to have 8 or more picks he shapes as a great pick up for last R selection :rollin
He's been in the bests 8 out of 14 games this year and 10 from 18 last year. No question he can play some decent footy at that junior level but his size or lack of it will go against him at AFL level. I guess we've got nothing to lose if we take him with pick 90+. He couldn't be any worse than JON :P.
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Josh Free was in the bests again this weekend,
North Ballarat Rebels 4.3 7.5 8.5 10.8 (68)
Oakleigh Chargers 2.2 4.4 7.6 10.8 (68)
GOALS:
North Ballarat Rebels: Parish 2 Horbury 2 Hoy Dufty Free Giampaolo Darmody Cook
Oakleigh Chargers: Hoegel 2 Johns 2 Van Den Broek 2 Gaff Lester Van Unen Andrews
BEST:
North Ballarat Rebels: Hoy Free Gavin O'Brien Giampaolo Barber
Oakleigh Chargers: Gaff Gordon Andrews Purcell Michie Henderson
Josh was also on TAC Cup stars today with dad Tony and Cotch. This from Ruthless Tiger on BF:
Showed a little bit of vision, although extremely limited, his kicking looked good enough. Sheehan rated him as one of the best hard ball winners in the TAC said he was amongst the leaders in this stat. Josh said he spent a week at the club and was very happy to do so. Asked Tony about him being taken F/S and he gave the stock standard we'll just be happy to see him get a chance. Said he has been given some feedback from Jackson and Cameron with regards to Joshs year. You could almost read into it that we're going to take him but didn't want to make any announcements now.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15473793&postcount=15
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Given the shallowness of this draft and GC17 getting first digs at rookies if we get Free jnr at pick 90 then we're grabbing him for practically nothing.
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Given the shallowness of this draft and GC17 getting first digs at rookies if we get Free jnr at pick 90 then we're grabbing him for practically nothing.
exactly my thoughts as well.
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He sounds like a beauty, i have not read all the posts but is he a good kick and what are his decission making skills like?
IMO these are the most important questions for the RFC going forward.
Draft 'footballers' not 'athletes'
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get him with a late pick! father/son!
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Free named in the bests again for the Rebels in their loss to Calder this arvo. Both clubs meet again next Sunday in an Elimination Final at Visy Park at 11am.
North Ballarat Rebels 2.2 7.3 9.4 9.5 (59)
Calder Cannons 3.3 5.6 10.9 15.14 (104)
GOALS:
North Ballarat Rebels: Parish 2 Hoy Curran Sully McMahon Bourke Darmody Horbury
Calder Cannons: Mitchell 4 Temel 4 Duhau Melksham Fewster Prestia McCallum Lucin Hunter
BEST:
North Ballarat Rebels: Aylett Free Dea Hoy Gavin Astbury
Calder Cannons: Fewster McCallum Hine Wallis Melksham Mitchell
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from what I understand he is a clearance specialist, something tells me Hardwick will like the boy :shh
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Free received 9 votes in the Morrish Medal. Three 3 votes in rounds 2, 6 and 7. He came equal 12th overall.
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should we take Joshua Free?
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With the amount of selections we'll have in the draft.
You coudl bet your last dollar we'll try and take him under father son in some way.
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Sheahan said on SEN that Josh Free is "certainly a possibility" to be taken Father-Son.
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The nominations are tomorrow, aren't they?
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The nominations are tomorrow, aren't they?
Corect Danog.
Fri, Oct 2, 2pm – Father / son nominations lodged with AFL
Mon, Oct 5, 10am – Father / son bidding meeting (Docklands)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/78425/default.aspx
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Do the board do appraisals of the senior footy dept. staff?
Being cynical, I suppose it is one way to get a good appraisal out of one of them...
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No Father/Son nominations this year. So Josh has missed out.
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rookie pick perhaps ?
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Where does it say that, one-eyed?
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Where does it say that, one-eyed?
On SEN.
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I cant understand how he isnt good enough even to gamble with a round 6 pick??
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No Father/Son nominations this year. So Josh has missed out.
Not surprising. Agree that he will most likely be taken with our last pick in the draft.
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I cant understand how he isnt good enough even to gamble with a round 6 pick??
good player or not he is too short.
if we dont rookie him then so be it im not fussed.
we cant keep recruiting players who are the size of Gary Coleman.
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I cant understand how he isnt good enough even to gamble with a round 6 pick??
We still might pick up Freezer jnr late in the draft (as we did with Rainesy) or even rookie him. Not being a F/S hasn't ruled him out completely. It just shows we don't think anyone else will pick him up before we do if we do.
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I cant understand how he isnt good enough even to gamble with a round 6 pick??
All we've said is we don't want to use pick 19 on him
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Probably interesting to note that once a pick number, be it 3rd,4th 5th,6th....... rounder is nominated it cannot be used during trade week.
Maybe a few reasons we didn't take Josh, we still may intend on doing so.
This gives us more flexibility next week for trades, upgrades e.t.c. ;)
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Probably interesting to note that once a pick number, be it 3rd,4th 5th,6th....... rounder is nominated it cannot be used during trade week.
Maybe a few reasons we didn't take Josh, we still may intend on doing so.
This gives us more flexibility next week for trades, upgrades e.t.c. ;)
spot on scuttlebut :thumbsup
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Probably interesting to note that once a pick number, be it 3rd,4th 5th,6th....... rounder is nominated it cannot be used during trade week.
Maybe a few reasons we didn't take Josh, we still may intend on doing so.
This gives us more flexibility next week for trades, upgrades e.t.c. ;)
Yep. If we thought for one moment that Free was certainly going to be a 'player' then we would have put a FS bid on him. Not nominating him only means that we think he is a risk at best and as such there is no need for us to take that risk at this point. A very late draft pick will be a sufficient risk IF we think he is worth it.
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The fact no other clubs wanted him means we could have elected to take him with our last selection in the draft if we wanted to. Clearly we think he's only a rookie proposition.
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Josh Free came third in the North Ballarat Rebels B&F
But it doesn't sound like he was invited to the Victorian state screening
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-3020-27610-0-0&sID=79288&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=10204976§ionID=79288
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The fact no other clubs wanted him means we could have elected to take him with our last selection in the draft if we wanted to. Clearly we think he's only a rookie proposition.
I consider this an improvement. In the past wed hand over a 3rd round pick so we could engage in a PR exercise.
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Hard to see now Free jnr being picked up even as a rookie by us. I've been told the Club believes he is too slow.
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Interesting article on Matt Dee included the following statement:
He did - Dea became a Richmond player at the No. 44 pick. And Free? Overlooked for a father-son spot, he may yet get to wear a black and yellow jumper.
''He's another good kid and he's been training with us for two weeks,'' Jackson said. ''He's in contention for a rookie spot.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/trip-to-scout-player-makes-tigers-dea-20091127-jwzo.html
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A fair way off but Maurice Rioli has a 7 year old son according to ABC 774.
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Sign him up now so we don't look stupid in 10 years when he stars for someone else.
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A fair way off but Maurice Rioli has a 7 year old son according to ABC 774.
He also has another son, older I think, but at the moment he's into basketball.
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Sign him up now so we don't look stupid in 10 years when he stars for someone else.
Maurice played over 100 games for us (118) so as long as the F/S rules don't change Maurice jnr will be ours if he is any good at footy.