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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 26, 2007, 09:42:41 PM
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The bookies being generous ;)
Richmond 4.75
West Coast 1.16
Richmond Under 39.5 Pts 5.35
Richmond Over 39.5 Pts 21.00
Draw 51.00
West Coast Under 39.5 Pts 2.10
West Coast Over 39.5 Pts 2.30
Line: +/- 27.5 points 1.90
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Forward Scout: Richmond v West Coast
David King
richmondfc.com.au
Friday, April 27, 2007
OUR BACKS
The most important job for us to do across our half-back line is to deny the quality of West Coast’s entries into the forward 50. We are also hoping to create a bit more run and excitement off half-back, which is something we have been lacking so far this season.
THEIR FORWARDS
Quinten Lynch has had a fantastic start to the year and was their leading inside-50 player prior to last week. There is no doubt David Wirrpanda is dangerous. He only needs a handful of touches to turn games. Andrew Embley is starting to get back some fitness so he will pose his fair share of problems.
MIDFIELD BATTLE
There’s no doubt the talent of Chris Judd, Daniel Kerr, Michael Braun and Tyson Stenglein will be the main area of concern for us, as it is for most clubs that play West Coast.
THE RUCK DUEL
There are no secrets to playing Dean Cox and Mark Seaby. You just have to be able to compete with them at every opportunity, attack whenever possible, defend like there’s no tomorrow and give them credit and respect as they deserve. In saying that, you have to be true to yourself and give yourself a chance to win and I’m sure our ruckmen will do that.
OUR FORWARDS
Statistically, when it comes to not allowing you to mark the ball, our guys are coming up against the best defence in the league. West Coast also have a good mix of quality one-on-one defenders versus players who can run and carry the football
THEIR BACKS
Brent Staker, being able to roll back and do a job on the third tall forward, has been a positive for them. I think Darren Glass is a fantastic defender and there is no doubt they are all very difficult to defeat one on one.
OPPONENT TO LOOK OUT FOR
Shannon Hurn was terrific against Matthew Lappin last week. His ability to kick that long goal and his toughness at the football and at the contest was terrific for a younger player.
LESSONS FROM LAST WEEK
We are always learning. We are learning about our list, learning about the capabilities of our players and where we are at. A lot of players still have a lot of improvement left and also there are players who aren’t performing to the best of their ability. It’s something those players need to address, otherwise the game will go past them.
WHAT THE COACH SAYS
“West Coast are the benchmark at the moment. When you’re in this competition you’ve got to challenge yourself, whether it be our young boys who want to see how they’ll go against the very best in the competition, or the senior players. That’s what we’re all aspiring to be, where they are at the minute. I don’t think we should shy away from those sorts of things.”
WHAT THE CAPTAIN SAYS
“Obviously we haven’t got the results at this stage but I think we’ve got five or six really good midfielders that can go in there and match up with theirs. We are going to take them on and not play too negatively and try and win the game. Playing with zero wins out of four is enough to get me and the boys up and motivated for the game.”
A FEW STATS
Richmond v West Coast: 2006
Round three: Eagles by 46 points (S) (N)
Round 22: Eagles by 88 points (MCG)
Richmond win percentage
Against Eagles: 37.93 per cent
@ MCG: 55.23 per cent
MATCH NOTE: A win by the Tigers this weekend would snap a five-match losing streak against the Eagles.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=42141
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Got Daniel Kerr as my supercoach captain.
LMAO - here come 400 points.
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OPPONENT TO LOOK OUT FOR
Shannon Hurn was terrific against Matthew Lappin last week. His ability to kick that long goal and his toughness at the football and at the contest was terrific for a younger player.
He dropped down the first round of the 2005 draft because of his strong build ::).
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why cant we recruit or develop players who can kick like hurn
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So much for rain lol. Bright sunshine in Melbourne at the moment.
Some guy has put $35,000 on the Tiges :gobdrop
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just kick goals richmond !
don't worry about tagging !
just kick goals ... thats all ...
goals win you matches so get into the 50 and have a shot !
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West Coast 9.10.64
Richmond 7.5.47
10 mins 3rd
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Shultz is not AFL standard & needs to be ******off
we are still in this game
Hughes to FF Polak to Lynch Deledio to Judd we can take this game
l can win a fortune here PLEASE TW put shultz on the pine his a dud its 3/4 time do me justice
send Captain Useless to the pine play the Oaktree
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Just got back from netball. What's the go with Richo?
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Shultz is not AFL standard & needs to be ******off
If you assume that Schulz isn't AFL standard because he missed his set shots today, Richo should have ****** off ages ago ;)
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But then again, as several people have been saying of late, he doesn't want to model his game on Richo's.
I only watched the last quarter. Pity JON's error in judgement in the last quarter - could have put us in front. Richo seemed to be everywhere - in the ruck, in defence.
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Shultz is not AFL standard & needs to be ******off
If you assume that Schulz isn't AFL standard because he missed his set shots today, Richo should have ****** off ages ago ;)
there not even in the same skill level surely you couldnot compare the 2 players
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well l write tomorrow l'm more than happy with what l seen from the next generation today :thumbsup its time for some chinese food cya guys :cheers
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Good effort today, umpires really looked after the eagles though. They might have been there, but what about some of Richmonds tackles being rewarded.
McGuane :thumbsup
Polak :thumbsup
Hughes :thumbsup
Newman demoted ;)
I thought the backline looked pretty settled, it's the turnovers in midfield that really kill the guys. Keep bringing in the youngsters and phasing out the bad decision makers/skilled players.
Also, Richo was surprisingly good around the ground, his field kicking was exceptional.
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I thought it was a pretty good effort today also but i have to disagree with you Wayne in regards to Newman.
Didnt show enough respect to Wirrapunda today and was well beaten. I dont care how many kicks he got, his first job is to stop his opponent as a defender.
Lots of positives today!!! :thumbsup
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The effort and style of play in 3 of the quarters was very good and the best we've played this year. 2nd quarter got ugly when we stopped running and presenting which proved costly in the end as did Schulz's 4 straight behinds. He said in the press conference that he had a bad day.
Moving Richo out of the forward line was a good move by Plough. I was nervous seeing him deep in defence at times but the big fella didn't let us down with his disposal.
Our dumb turnovers through skill erros continue to gift the opposition soft goals and hurt us with the same old senior players the culprits. We need to bite the bullet and offload them and their too cute dumb ways. We can argue we need their bigger bodies to protect the kids but we couldn't match the Eagles at the stoppages and clearances anyway.
Anyway plenty of highlights and positives that offer hope for the future:
Tambo's getting better by the game despite a couple of dumb kicks. A ripper first quarter obviously with 4 goals followed by 3 solid quarters.
Lids finally using his torpedo.
Polak and McGuane were very good.
Edwards, Hughes and JON did some nice cameos.
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I thought it was a pretty good effort today also but i have to disagree with you Wayne in regards to Newman.
Didnt show enough respect to Wirrapunda today and was well beaten. I dont care how many kicks he got, his first job is to stop his opponent as a defender.
Lots of positives today!!! :thumbsup
newman lost me today, his lack of accountability was shocking, lost many browni points
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why cant we recruit or develop players who can kick like hurn
today deledio and clever made me eat humble pie, 2 masive goals
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Ratings
Newman 6
Gaspar 4
J.Bowden 6
McGuane 6
Tambling 7
Deledio 5
Polak 8
Richardson 7
Tivendale 4
Pettifer 4
Foley 6
Oakley-Nicholls 5
Raines 7
Hughes 6
Schulz 4
Hyde 5
Simmonds 7
Johnson 5
Tuck 4
Jackson 5
King 6
Edwards 5
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Ratings
Newman 4 too loose on wirra
Gaspar 3 this guy needs some angry pills, too damn soft and seems in dreamland
J.Bowden 6
McGuane 6
Tambling 7
Deledio 5
Polak 9 owned the half backline
Richardson 5
Tivendale 2
Pettifer 2
Foley 5 disposal still an issue
Oakley-Nicholls 5
Raines 6
Hughes 6
Schulz 4
Hyde 5
Simmonds 7
Johnson 5
Tuck 1
Jackson 6 killed braun
King 6
Edwards 5 would have got more if had more game time
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Tambo's getting better by the game despite a couple of dumb kicks. A ripper first quarter obviously with 4 goals followed by 3 solid quarters.
Lids finally using his torpedo.
The two highlights of my day was Tambo's first quarter and Lids massive goal
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Backline much better with Polak @ CHB he is a natural there.
Time for Moore to replace Gaspar, we just can't have his poor disposal any longer, Polo in for Tucky next week
Bling and Cleever play them and they will deliver and Delidio in the middle was great
Loved Richo running around the ground, whilst his disposal is not the best it makes our forward line looks better and the opposition ruckman had to choose between Simmo and Richo ... liked it a lot .... now if we can only get Benny Gale to explain defensive positioning to the big fella he would kill them.
A lot to like about today, we would have beaten any other side on that performance ... let's get the pussies next week
:gotigers
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why cant we recruit or develop players who can kick like hurn
today deledio and clever made me eat humble pie, 2 masive goals
Sorry, can you repeat that? In the caps that you love. ;D
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why cant we recruit or develop players who can kick like hurn
today deledio and clever made me eat humble pie, 2 masive goals
Sorry, can you repeat that? In the caps that you love. ;D
TODAY DELEDIO AND CLEVER MADE ME EAT HUMBLE PIE, 2 MASSIVE GOALS :lol
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Interesting the media blamed JON for not going for goal but Plough believed JON made the right decision and blamed those up forward for not being front and square. JON probably positioned his chip to far to the left of the square but if he had blazed away and missed the media would have pinned JON for that. Kingy and JON should have faked cramp when they didn't think they could kick that far and got Clever to walk over and take their kicks instead.
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Interesting the media blamed JON for not going for goal but Plough believed JON made the right decision and blamed those up forward for not being front and square. JON probably positioned his chip to far to the left of the square but if he had blazed away and missed the media would have pinned JON for that. Kingy and JON should have faked cramp when they didn't think they could kick that far and got Clever to walk over and take their kicks instead.
we liek everyone prob thought jon would go 4 goal, but he obv stuck to the game plan , yes it went a bit left but maybe he intended that, maybe he was switcvhed on and everyone else lost concentration. i dont blame him nor jake, i blame tuck and gas and tiv for their turnovers and blame petts cos he wore his skirt again and blame the bloody umpires
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I thought it was a pretty good effort today also but i have to disagree with you Wayne in regards to Newman.
Didnt show enough respect to Wirrapunda today and was well beaten. I dont care how many kicks he got, his first job is to stop his opponent as a defender.
Lots of positives today!!! :thumbsup
:clapping :clapping Agree Bull - I thought Newman was our worst - did stand his opponent at all yesterday and gave Wirrapunda far to much latitude. It cost us goals. He has always worried me against these smart small forwards gets beaten far to often IMHO.
Though Richo was sensational as a round the ground player. Even when he had to do the ruck work he did OK simply because he didn't give away free kicks ;D. Just made sure he got in front and gave a contest. The best part about it was that it meant Polak got to play in a set position and he starred. Brilliant in the contested mark situation.
Lots of positives most definitely but another game we could have won and didn't and that's still a disppointment
:gotigers
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Interesting the media blamed JON for not going for goal but Plough believed JON made the right decision and blamed those up forward for not being front and square. JON probably positioned his chip to far to the left of the square but if he had blazed away and missed the media would have pinned JON for that. Kingy and JON should have faked cramp when they didn't think they could kick that far and got Clever to walk over and take their kicks instead.
we liek everyone prob thought jon would go 4 goal, but he obv stuck to the game plan , yes it went a bit left but maybe he intended that, maybe he was switcvhed on and everyone else lost concentration. i dont blame him nor jake, i blame tuck and gas and tiv for their turnovers and blame petts cos he wore his skirt again and blame the bloody umpires
Could you please list and describe tiv's alleged turnovers from saturday?I would like specific examples, if you don't mind.
I think you'll find that others, eg Foley and Tambling, were the real offenders.
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Interesting the media blamed JON for not going for goal but Plough believed JON made the right decision and blamed those up forward for not being front and square. JON probably positioned his chip to far to the left of the square but if he had blazed away and missed the media would have pinned JON for that. Kingy and JON should have faked cramp when they didn't think they could kick that far and got Clever to walk over and take their kicks instead.
foley and blingers can be excused, yes they made a turnover or 2, but they are still young and at least are having a positive impact on teh game
tiv is as useless as t@s on a bull! if you could not see all the mistakes he made on teh w/e then u obv were sleeping!
just watch the replay, and u will see, but you would have seen more of his crap work being at the ground ,
tivendale, let he be gone
we liek everyone prob thought jon would go 4 goal, but he obv stuck to the game plan , yes it went a bit left but maybe he intended that, maybe he was switcvhed on and everyone else lost concentration. i dont blame him nor jake, i blame tuck and gas and tiv for their turnovers and blame petts cos he wore his skirt again and blame the bloody umpires
Could you please list and describe tiv's alleged turnovers from saturday?I would like specific examples, if you don't mind.
I think you'll find that others, eg Foley and Tambling, were the real offenders.
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X - I was at the game and wasn't sleeping, and I've seen the replay.
I'm still waiting for you to provide specific examples to back up your case.If tiv made so many turnovers on saturday, what were they? I think that's a fairly straightforward request.
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watch the game again
you going to tell me that tuck had a gr8 game also and made gr8 choices!
the prob with richmond is that we continually rate hacks like gas, tiv, tuck, etc
we must raise the bar, obv u r happy with soft unskilled players!
tiv is teh best looking worst kick in the afl
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Maybe he's not as obsessed about Tiv as you are so he didn't see all of them.
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everyone knows i could see the potential in krak, but has anyone heard me cry whinge or sook at his dropping.
no!
if terry and richmond are serious , they cannot make krak and paddy bowden our scapegoats, they must be a precedent and thus tiv, tuck, pets, and gas must all be dropped in the next week or two, hopefully v geelong tuck petts and tiv are dropped and jack, meyer and polo are in!
yes i go hard on tiv, but this guy has never deserved to play as many games as he has.
danny dropped joel way back then, at the time, tiv should have been dropped ands shot also, but he seems to be "looked after" alot
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everyone knows i could see the potential in krak, but has anyone heard me cry whinge or sook at his dropping.
WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING ???
If anything it means u were wrong.
Moving on.
Tivendale is pathetic and I watched him many times on Saturday call for the ball when he was as hot as jam donuts
and consequently get rodgered.
Passenger boy - thats all.
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For now Gaspar, Tuck and Tivendale are in the team when they join Krakouer on the sidelines then Ill feel confident that we are moving forward. Tuck should be traded of to anyone at the end of the season especially if we finish bottom and we wanna bend another club over on a player. When they ask for a trade...we say Tuck if they say no we say we take your player in the PSD lol.
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SEN just before played their commentary of a few Tiger highlights from the weeknd - Tamblings goals, Lids and Clever's big bombs and McGuane mark. Great stuff :thumbsup.
Mark Robinson said he will be writing an article about us tomorrow in the Herald-Sun. He also said he hadn't seen our game and will be watching the second quarter for the umpiring.
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everyone knows i could see the potential in krak, but has anyone heard me cry whinge or sook at his dropping.
WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING ???
Yeah you've lost me. I thought the argument was about Tiv.
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Tivs first three games this year were good but he had a shocker on the weekend. I still have no idea what he saw when he handballed backwards to no one in the second quarter. IIRC Clever had just put us up by 21 points. From the bounce Simmo taps into free space defensive side of the centre circle. Tivs runs and collects perfectly running onto his left. Everyone expects him to kick long into our forward fine but no he tries to be too cute and handballs blindly behind him to no one. Ball bounces straight into the path of an Eagle who passes it to Wirrpanda :scream. Then Joel follows up shortly after that with collecting the loose ball deep in defence, dodging around his opponent in back pocket then taking a couple of quick bounces and passing straight to an free Eagle on the 50 who pops it to another free Eagle and goal. Sure our young guys made mistakes but stupidity like the above is inexcusable. Talk about gifting momentum to the opposition :banghead.
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everyone knows i could see the potential in krak, but has anyone heard me cry whinge or sook at his dropping.
Fortunately I happen to have a copy (very limited edition) of the X -cited "modern dictionary of football terms".
I looked under 'potential' and it had " word to describe a footballer who is slow, unfit and unable to find the football with any regularity - a footballer with "potential' and no other real football attributes is likely to play close to 100 games of AFL football based on some rare isolated plays, snapping at goal instead of playing a team oriented game and tackiing players who actually get the ball- Helps if his dad could actually play and his club is hoping ability skips only one generation"
Well there it is in plain english - god's honour.
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Tivs first three games this year were good but he had a shocker on the weekend. I still have no idea what he saw when he handballed backwards to no one in the second quarter. IIRC Clever had just put us up by 21 points. From the bounce Simmo taps into free space defensive side of the centre circle. Tivs runs and collects perfectly running onto his left. Everyone expects him to kick long into our forward fine but no he tries to be too cute and handballs blindly behind him to no one. Ball bounces straight into the path of an Eagle who passes it to Wirrpanda :
Was that TIVs - I thought it was Lids -should have known better.
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Helps if his dad could actually play and his club is hoping ability skips only one generation"
;D
So there is method to the madness in him reaching 100 games lol.
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Was that TIVs - I thought it was Lids -should have known better.
I was up in the top tier of the Northern stand but I thought it was Tivs.
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about me mentioning krak, if that went over ur heads , thats not my problem
but to simplify thuings , that comment was targeted at gorgon bennett who seems to be pro tivs and cant understand why i want him dropped.
so my reply to him was based on that, basically im a krak fan, but i havent sooked becaus ehe was dropped and he should sook when tiv gets dropped
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE ?
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Why are you always YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No-one else mentioned Krak. You are the only person talking about Krak. The thread was mainly about Tiv. Why do you always have to drag Krak into the equation? If Gordon is pro Tiv well that's his perogative. Let it be!!!
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Why are you always YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats with this yelling crap!
ffs, sometimes i hit the caps button by accident and it stays on, i dont look at my screen as i type, and by the time i notice it, i cant be stuffed retyping it with caps off!!!
Geez chris EVEN IF CAPS ON MEANS YELLING, ITS NOT LIKE YOYUR GONNA GET AN EAR AKE OVER IT!!!! CAN U HEAR ME SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
no u cant, so :P
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and by the way. im italian. its in my culture to talk LOUD
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I don't care what your background is. It is either showing extreme ignorance or arrogance to constantly be yelling when everyone knows that typing in capitals is considered yelling and is bad form. You seem to do it to get your point across. Fair enough if it is accidental but then you can always edit your threads. It's not like this is the first time it has been brought to your attention either.
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I don't care what your background is. It is either showing extreme ignorance or arrogance to constantly be yelling when everyone knows that typing in capitals is considered yelling and is bad form. You seem to do it to get your point across. Fair enough if it is accidental but then you can always edit your threads. It's not like this is the first time it has been brought to your attention either.
1/ i dont have time to edit my threads
2/ i dont really give a rats clacker if ppl get upset if they dont like caps on
3/ its not ignorance, its not arrogance, it mostly at times accidental and if you dont like it, DONT READ IT.(sorry if that deafand you, does this size refer to as whispering ?)
seriously if ppl get upset cos caps are left on, they should get a life!
now i have never heard anyone yell or scream over a forum, they are just words, whether they are in capital or lower case, they have no sound , no voice.
if caps on means yelling to most , if thats a non written rule. stiff cheddar. letting go of a footballl incorrectly is a rule, but u dont see the umpires abiding by that, or has that gone over your head
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Could you please type slower? I can't read fast. :whistle
Mark Robinson said he will be writing an article about us tomorrow in the Herald-Sun. He also said he hadn't seen our game and will be watching the second quarter for the umpiring.
I saw him there an hour before the game. :-\
Probably got thrown out for being dressed like a hobo - wearing those strides that you're not sure are long shorts or long pants his mum has taken up too much :help and thongs. Oh yeah, and for just being a boofhead.
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Tivs first three games this year were good but he had a shocker on the weekend. I still have no idea what he saw when he handballed backwards to no one in the second quarter. IIRC Clever had just put us up by 21 points. From the bounce Simmo taps into free space defensive side of the centre circle. Tivs runs and collects perfectly running onto his left. Everyone expects him to kick long into our forward fine but no he tries to be too cute and handballs blindly behind him to no one. Ball bounces straight into the path of an Eagle who passes it to Wirrpanda
As stated above, that was Deledio, not Tivendale. I checked the videotape. MT has made an error - fortunately he doesn't make many, and when he does, he admits his error.
I'm not all that "pro-tiv". I recognise both his strengths and weaknesses (eg did you know that he made 9 tackles against WC?).I know that he can regularly make turnovers, it's just that he hasn't made many THIS year. People's perceptions don't match the reality, and that's my whole point.
Tiv gets treated unfairly by a lot of people. If you're going to criticise him for causing turnovers in a specific match, then I think it's only fair(to Tiv, for instance)to specify what the turnovers actually were when requested.Did he cause turnovers, or is he being unfairly maligned in this specific match?Is the perception different than the reality?MT has already given an example of where the facts did not support an allegation.
X - why don't you just say that you can't come up with any examples from saturday's match,or can't be bothered doing so, and that your comment was possibly influenced by Tiv's past performances, and that you made some assumptions?.....and then move on. I'm moving on now, otherwise I'll be labouring my point.In fact,if you wish, don't bother with any more coverage of this issue, because it's finished.
By the way, X, I'm going to assume that you referring to me as "gorgon" Bennett was a typing error. Of course, if you had ever seen me in person you might have some actual evidence to back up that remark!!
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That explains why Richmond players are turning to stone in the last quarter.
Might need to get Simmo to do something with your hair. ;)
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By the way, X, I'm going to assume that you referring to me as "gorgon" Bennett was a typing error. Of course, if you had ever seen me in person you might have some actual evidence to back up that remark!!
gorgon was a typo, apologies
and about tiv, i dont have time to mention how many mistakes he make, not just statistically, but when and whre he was running, things off the ball. his kicks look gr8 , but they are shockers most of teh time, even though he did lay some nices passes on the w/e.
his is a mature body now, but plays like a skinny raw 16yo girl. enough is enough and i bet by mid yr we wont see him again
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As stated above, that was Deledio, not Tivendale. I checked the videotape. MT has made an error - fortunately he doesn't make many, and when he does, he admits his error.
Yep sorry to Tivs :-[. Did Lids get dragged for that? He should have. I can think of another one that was definitely Tivs but I'll quit while I'm behind lol.
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X - why don't you just say that you can't come up with any examples from saturday's match,or can't be bothered doing so, and that your comment was possibly influenced by Tiv's past performances, and that you made some assumptions?.....and then move on. I'm moving on now, otherwise I'll be labouring my point.In fact,if you wish, don't bother with any more coverage of this issue, because it's finished.
By the way, X, I'm going to assume that you referring to me as "gorgon" Bennett was a typing error. Of course, if you had ever seen me in person you might have some actual evidence to back up that remark!!
ok gordon bennett
if you really insist, now these are just off the top of my head, but feel pleased to check them out
quarter 1
with 8min 15sec to go in the quarter Tambling hand passes the ball to Tiv, this would have given him an easy run inside 50 on his preferred side but what did he do, under no pressure fumbled and teh ball went OOB.
7.13 tiv passes inside 50 to tambling under no pressure and kicks over his head! We were just lucky blingers had enough agility to double back and get hit high by stenglein, and he goaled, but dont let that sugar coat tivs pathetic disposal inside 50
7.00 centre bounce, Tivs showed no desire to get a lose ball, under no pressure just spectated instead of going hard 4 teh pill, all he had to do was attack the ball, but he didnt and we lost the clearance!
0.30 tiv again, soft attempt at a tackle, his lack of desire to do the team and right thing cost us another clearance. that clearance result in a set shot from jones, a goal he should of kicked just b4 the siren
quarter 2
14.30 bombs tyhe ball inside 50. stupid and wrong option, esp by an experienced player. caused a turnover and goal
8.20 tiv should have run hard defensively. he was 3 metres or less away from wirrapunda. rather than pressure wirra, he just watched kick an easy open goal. he spectated. sure it wasnt his man, but he was in teh area, and its a team sport
2.40 tivs, again inside 50, shocking disposal, missed clever on the lead
quarter 3
offered nothing all quarter, hardly sighted. pathetic and lazy effort. and guess what, he didnt really get the ball that quarter , and we matched the eagles! they didnt get away from us, well what do ya know!
quarter 4
had 2 early possessions in teh fiorst 2 minutes, then nothing, see qyarter 3, absolutely went missing, did nothing at all to help the team. at least when he dosnt get the ball we play better, and hows that, we got withing 4 points and again matched teh eagles in that quarter.
to some up, these are just some things you could see on tv, at the ground he was worse, ran to the wrong spots, was never where he was supposed to be, never used his run offensively and was absolutely pathetic defensively.
at least pettifer improved as the game went on, but tivs went from pathetic to effing stupid pathetic.
and if tivs and tuck are not dropped next week , that means terry is weak as poo and does not walk the walk
we all know terry loves tivs, why, thats an effing mystery
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X - why don't you just say that you can't come up with any examples from saturday's match,or can't be bothered doing so, and that your comment was possibly influenced by Tiv's past performances, and that you made some assumptions?.....and then move on. I'm moving on now, otherwise I'll be labouring my point.In fact,if you wish, don't bother with any more coverage of this issue, because it's finished.
By the way, X, I'm going to assume that you referring to me as "gorgon" Bennett was a typing error. Of course, if you had ever seen me in person you might have some actual evidence to back up that remark!!
ok gordon bennett
if you really insist, now these are just off the top of my head, but feel pleased to check them out
quarter 1
with 8min 15sec to go in the quarter Tambling hand passes the ball to Tiv, this would have given him an easy run inside 50 on his preferred side but what did he do, under no pressure fumbled and teh ball went OOB.
7.13 tiv passes inside 50 to tambling under no pressure and kicks over his head! We were just lucky blingers had enough agility to double back and get hit high by stenglein, and he goaled, but dont let that sugar coat tivs pathetic disposal inside 50
7.00 centre bounce, Tivs showed no desire to get a lose ball, under no pressure just spectated instead of going hard 4 teh pill, all he had to do was attack the ball, but he didnt and we lost the clearance!
0.30 tiv again, soft attempt at a tackle, his lack of desire to do the team and right thing cost us another clearance. that clearance result in a set shot from jones, a goal he should of kicked just b4 the siren
quarter 2
14.30 bombs tyhe ball inside 50. stupid and wrong option, esp by an experienced player. caused a turnover and goal
8.20 tiv should have run hard defensively. he was 3 metres or less away from wirrapunda. rather than pressure wirra, he just watched kick an easy open goal. he spectated. sure it wasnt his man, but he was in teh area, and its a team sport
2.40 tivs, again inside 50, shocking disposal, missed clever on the lead
quarter 3
offered nothing all quarter, hardly sighted. pathetic and lazy effort. and guess what, he didnt really get the ball that quarter , and we matched the eagles! they didnt get away from us, well what do ya know!
quarter 4
had 2 early possessions in teh fiorst 2 minutes, then nothing, see qyarter 3, absolutely went missing, did nothing at all to help the team. at least when he dosnt get the ball we play better, and hows that, we got withing 4 points and again matched teh eagles in that quarter.
to some up, these are just some things you could see on tv, at the ground he was worse, ran to the wrong spots, was never where he was supposed to be, never used his run offensively and was absolutely pathetic defensively.
at least pettifer improved as the game went on, but tivs went from pathetic to effing stupid pathetic.
and if tivs and tuck are not dropped next week , that means terry is weak as poo and does not walk the walk
we all know terry loves tivs, why, thats an effing mystery
Don't know if that's the case or not - too lazy to get the video out. But really, if you analysed every player, wouldn't you come up with similar numbers of errors? If you didn't, I'd be pretty surprised because I haven't noticed us winning too many games. Every loss can't be Tiv's fault lol
we all know terry loves tivs, why, thats an effing mystery
Then maybe you feel some sympathy for those of us who've seen the same love affair with Krak for years.
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moi, gordon wanted examples about tiv
but if you want i wil giv examples on al players, but tuck , petts and tivs were our worst.
newman needs a kick in the backside for some of his efforts
guys like lids, blingers foley etc who made just a few errors can be let of the hook, cos they are young, and at least they didnt stop trying
now about krak, yes i saw the best in him, but am i upset he has been dropped .....no
its whats best for the team, team comes first, not krak, not tivsm not brown, not richo.........etc......the team is no1.
and for teh team, its best tivs petts and tuck get dropped, petts until his workrate imprives, the ither 2 for good!
if petts and tuck dont improve, we have to use them as trade bait. tiv simply must be let go
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Don't know about the yelling but I am getting bloody annoyed with the constant using of the "f" word in its many different forms e.g. ffs, effen etc
We've asked people to tone it down twice in the last month - is it really that hard people ???
:banghead
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omg
damn, i have sinned
i will go to confession on sunday morning
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I wanted to "move on", but I suppose it's my fault because I challenged X to provide some evidence, and he did. So well done, X. However, the evidence you provided is certainly open to interpretation. I went through it and none of them really come under the definition of "turnover", which I think means where after a player's inaccurate disposal by hand or foot, possession directly goes to the opposition
quarter 1
with 8min 15sec to go in the quarter Tambling hand passes the ball to Tiv, this would have given him an easy run inside 50 on his preferred side but what did he do, under no pressure fumbled and teh ball went OOB.
7.13 tiv passes inside 50 to tambling under no pressure and kicks over his head! We were just lucky blingers had enough agility to double back and get hit high by stenglein, and he goaled, but dont let that sugar coat tivs pathetic disposal inside 50
- the kick to Tambling went slightly over his head, but he still retained posession - no turnover
- a fumble leading to the ball going out of bounds leads to a throw-in - no direct link to loss of possession, no poor disposal, therefore no turnover.
7.00 centre bounce, Tivs showed no desire to get a lose ball, under no pressure just spectated instead of going hard 4 teh pill, all he had to do was attack the ball, but he didnt and we lost the clearance!
0.30 tiv again, soft attempt at a tackle, his lack of desire to do the team and right thing cost us another clearance. that clearance result in a set shot from jones, a goal he should of kicked just b4 the siren
No turnover, nor do I agree with your interpretation of events
quarter 2
14.30 bombs tyhe ball inside 50. stupid and wrong option, esp by an experienced player. caused a turnover and goal
I don't think a long kick to the hotspot 25 m from goal, where a pack forms, only to be marked by the opposition, constitutes a turnover. I'm not sure he had a clear alternative, with the ump calling 'play on", and no free man leading to him.Anyway, this one is the closest one to a turnover you've provided.
8.20 tiv should have run hard defensively. he was 3 metres or less away from wirrapunda. rather than pressure wirra, he just watched kick an easy open goal. he spectated. sure it wasnt his man, but he was in teh area, and its a team sport
2.40 tivs, again inside 50, shocking disposal, missed clever on the lead
8.20 - not a turnover
2.40 - yes, the kick wasn't perfect, but you could argue Hughes got under the ball. Anyway, Hughes punched the ball to Schulz, who then handballed to Hyde running passed, who then got caught by Kerr. Therefore, you can't say that Tiv turned it over because 3 more players were involved before possession was lost.
quarter 3
offered nothing all quarter, hardly sighted. pathetic and lazy effort. and guess what, he didnt really get the ball that quarter , and we matched the eagles! they didnt get away from us, well what do ya know!
quarter 4
had 2 early possessions in teh fiorst 2 minutes, then nothing, see qyarter 3, absolutely went missing, did nothing at all to help the team. at least when he dosnt get the ball we play better, and hows that, we got withing 4 points and again matched teh eagles in that quarter.
there are no turnovers in these examples from the 3rd and 4th quarters.
Generally, Tiv played only an average game - 15 possessions, 9 tackles, and wasn't perfect in all of his decision-making or disposals, but who was?
The key point is that, by definition, he didn't cause multiple turnovers, and we didn't lose the game because of his actions.
And that's my last word on this matter......and WP, there are no "f" words in this post.
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OK, MAYBE THERE WERE NOT AS MANY TURNOVERS
oops left caps on
sorry julz
start again
ok, maybe there were not as many turnovers by him, but alot of his actions did not benefit the team and cost us dearly.
his lack of workrate to get to the right spots, his hopeless kicking inside, his ability to go awol cost the club no doubt
lets just face facts, we will be better off without him
ps ........no f words either
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lets just face facts, we will be better off without him
When someone better takes his place (same with Gas). Hasn't happened yet.
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lets just face facts, we will be better off without him
When someone better takes his place (same with Gas). Hasn't happened yet.
we have players to take their places, just these players dont get the chance to show what they have, for some stupid reason, tiv and gas dont have to prove their worth week in week out! they both would not get a game at any other list in the afl, now thats saying something
moore and thursty (once ready) deserve a spot over gas
howat, is one sided just like tiv, but has more to offer, so has meyer, connors, polo etc etc
we have the players, the match committee just need the testicular fortitude to make the right call, but continually take the easy selection option
we need to take risks and put the kids in!
*no f word in this post
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*no f word in this post
:clapping :clapping
BTW X - the comment about the "f" word and its many forms was not directed at just you it was another reminder to the masses. I could have posted it in any number of threads ;)
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*no f word in this post
:clapping :clapping
BTW X - the comment about the "f" word and its many forms was not directed at just you it was another reminder to the masses. I could have posted it in any number of threads ;)
:thumbsup
I know wp :thumbsup
i am aware who all of us culprits are.
will make an effort not to use any expletives , see how long i last, but at least i wil make an effort , unlik esome of our tiger players!!!! :lol
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Poor Gas even gets ripped off in the AFL site voting competition for most team saving desperate act of the week. Even though in the clip it's clear it's Gas they gave his goal saving smother to Tambo ???.
http://www.afl.com.au/armydefence/home.aspx
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terry must have rated tivs efforts during this game as i did!
well done terry!!!!
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and by the way. im italian. its in my culture to talk LOUD
Sorry I thought you said you where of sicilian descent
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and by the way. im italian. its in my culture to talk LOUD
Sorry I thought you said you where of sicilian descent
dont you know your geography, or are yoy taking the pee out of me
siclily is a province of italy
a province is the italian version of a state
yes im sicilian, a province of italy
like victoria is a state of australia, thus every victorian is still australian
im sure u were just taking the pee out of me
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yeah just like how sparta, macedonia and athens were all greek states.