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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 18, 2007, 05:11:43 AM
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Good luck to Will in his AFL comeback game :gotigers
RICHMOND will tonight use its 31st senior footballer this season....
The new boy is key defender Will Thursfield, who will play for the first time since round two last year when he ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee. The 21-year-old has been named on the interchange bench for his eighth senior game.
Thursfield has been highly rated at Punt Road since his debut against Sydney at the MCG in round 14, 2005, when the Tigers held on to win by a point. Thursfield kept Michael O'Loughlin relatively quiet with 12 possessions.
His only appearance in 2006 was at Telstra Dome and it lasted just over three quarters before he wrecked his knee, when he was clearly having the better of Riewoldt in a match against the Saints.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21750823-2722,00.html
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Will was rusty especially early on in the game but for him to make it through the game was great to see after what happened to his knee.
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Will will get better with every game.
He looked a little down tonight, which shows he is setting high standards.
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I thought Thursfield did quite well. Maybe a little rusty but wait till he hits his straps!
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Good spoiler, clean hands when the ball is loose and looks to make good decisions.
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This kid will come good if he remains injury free. For the first time in I don't know how long we have a key backman with some co-ordination. When was the last time we had one? Turner? Even he was a bit of a clutz.
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I thought Thursty did a terrific job on diving boy last night. Lloyd got away from him a couple of times in the first half although there wasn't much Thursty could do about laceout passes and the softest of frees :scream. However in the second half Thursty had Lloyd's measure. He really limited Lloyd to just 2 goals. That 3rd goal of Lloyd's after the siren should have been disallowed as the ump called play-on right in front of us before the final siren sounded because Lloyd was pretending to do his shoelaces up to waste time ::).
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Thought thirsty was reasonable, but MT you do have to consider that Polak was playing loose for a fair bit of the night.
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If a Richmond player had bothered to wander back to the goal line that last kick wouldn't have been a score.
I can understand them being on their haunches in disappointment. That said, you don't leave the goals open for a free shot after the siren. Ever.
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Another quality scalp for Thursty. What was most pleasing is it doesn't appear that his knee reco has affected his closing speed. He was right with Robertson for the whole game and got under Robbo's skin.
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Fantastic job :thumbsup
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Thursty is a gem.
Hope he does a number on Riewoldt like he did last time :thumbsup
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Not bad at all for a young fella with not much expeience coming back from the injury he is :thumbsup
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will become the best full back in the country ;)
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will become the best full back in the country ;)
I'll hold it to you X ;)
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Thursfield wants Riewoldt rematch
30 June 2007 Herald-Sun
WILL Thursfield has waited a long time for another crack at St Kilda's Nick Riewoldt.
The young Richmond defender did a good job keeping the Saints star in check 15 months ago before suffering a knee injury that ended his 2006 season and delayed the start to this campaign.
Thursfield would like to stand Riewoldt again at Telstra Dome tonight and hopefully finish the job he couldn't complete in Round 2 of 2006.
"I'd like it," he said. "I like playing on any of the good players. It's a good challenge and I'd be happy to."
Thursfield admitted he could not help but recall the devastation of rupturing the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee last year in the lead-up to tonight's game.
"I'm trying to put it aside, but St Kilda at the Telstra Dome is the exact same game as last year," the 21-year-old said.
"Once I'm out there, I won't think about that, but I have thought about it.
"I played on him (Riewoldt) for three quarters, and at the start of the last quarter did my knee, and he ended up kicking a few goals and they ended up winning the game."
The setback also meant Thursfield went almost two years before again experiencing the thrill of playing in a winning Richmond side.
The Tigers won in the first two games in which he played, midway through the 2005 season, but he did not sing the club song until last weekend's win against Melbourne.
Having finally broken through for their first win, the Tigers are keen to have a say on the finals aspirations for several sides, starting with the 12th-placed Saints.
"We said we'd like to, in the second half of the year, scare a few finals sides, so that they're worried about playing us because we've got nothing to lose and we can go out and play attacking football," Thursfield said.
Thursfield has strung five games together since his return, taking his career tally to 12. He has been considered the successor to Tigers fullback Darren Gaspar, who retired earlier this season.
The two are good mates and speak regularly, which includes swapping notes on likely opponents.
"I'll tell him who I'm playing on and he'll give me a run down on what they're like and how he went on them," Thursfield said.
"He's a really good help, even though he's not around the place any more."
The enforced layoff allowed Thursfield a chance to become a better student of the game, as he watched a lot of football and focused on the tactics elite defenders use to keep their opponents quiet.
It's something Thursfield would like to do for a long time on the last line of defence.
"I've been given the opportunities to play there this year, and hopefully I can keep playing there over the years," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21990542%255E19771,00.html
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In the past 12 games since his comeback, Thursty has had a disposal efficiency of 94.4% :o. Ranked No. 1 at the Tigers. His kicking efficiency is 92.7.
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he is gonna be a gem and when his time is up he will be remembered as a great defender
why do i say this
because he has composure, never looks nervous, has a defenders brain, good skills and he believes in himself! he may lack an inch or 2 in size, and maybe a kg or 10, but he has such a great reach and awsome closing speed. i already rate him as one of the best spoilers in the comp
will Will keep on going, sure will!
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RICHMOND'S Will Thursfield is the final player to become eligible for the 2007 NAB AFL Rising Star, after the defender was nominated for his round 22 performance against St Kilda.
Thursfield spent the day opposed to spearhead Fraser Gehrig and, although the big Saint managed to kick five goals in his farewell game of AFL football, Thursfield battled valiantly to pick up 11 disposals and take six marks.
The 21-year-old managed just one game last season, after wrecking his knee in round two, also against St Kilda. He underwent a knee reconstruction and spent the 2006 season in the Tigers' rehabilitation group.
This year he came into the side in round eight against Adelaide and played every subsequent game to finish off the season strongly. He averaged just over nine disposals and three marks a game, and was able to bring his games tally up to 22 after two seasons on the senior list.
Thursfield was elevated from the Richmond rookie list in 2005, after being recruited by the club with the first selection overall in the rookie draft of the same year.
The former Sandringham Dragon, along with fellow emerging defender Luke McGuane, was entrusted with some big jobs this year, following the retirement of Darren Gaspar.
Thursfield becomes the first Richmond player to be nominated for the award this season, and the first since Nathan Foley won the honours in round 19 of last year.
The other nominees for the 2007 NAB AFL Rising Star are: Patrick Ryder (Essendon), Cameron Wood (Brisbane Lions), Tom Hawkins (Geelong), Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood), Joel Selwood (Geelong), Ricky Petterd (Melbourne), Jesse Smith (Kangaroos), Shaun Higgins (Western Bulldogs), Mitch Clark (Brisbane Lions), Bryce Gibbs (Carlton), Shannon Hurn (West Coast), Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide), Marty Clarke (Collingwood), Scott McMahon (Kangaroos), Justin Westhoff (Port Adelaide), Sam Gilbert (St Kilda), Nathan Jones (Melbourne), Tom Williams (Western Bulldogs), Travis Boak (Port Adelaide), Mark LeCras (West Coast), and Tyson Goldsack (Collingwood).
http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=50369
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Well done Will!
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thoroughly deserved :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Great stuff Will and well earned :clapping. What he's done this year after coming back from that knee is just way beyond expectations. He and us are very lucky he's shown no noticable long-term effects from the ACL. He still has the pace and leap to go with the best leading forwards.
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oh yeah well done Thursfield :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Onya Will
Not before bloody time BTW :thumbsup
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Well done Thursty :thumbsup
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Never thought the kid would make it - especially after his knee.
Just goes to show I am an imbecile.
Well done Will
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Never thought the kid would make it - especially after his knee.
Just goes to show I am an imbecile.
Well done Will
A doubter maybe - but certainly not an imbecile
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Let's hope Cogs can be just a fortunate in his comeback :pray. It would be a bonus for the club.
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we have found our new Full Back ...
just hope he puts some muscle on ...
see if he gets a vote ???
come on KB !!!
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Will was interviewed briefly just before on SEN at the RS function.
He said Wallace told him this year to just get the knee right and he'll get a game. He thought he might get a nomination a few weeks back but when it didn't happen he forgot about it. He didn't think he'd get a nomination this round as he named Gehrig as his toughest opponent and had 5 goals kicked on him so he was surprised.
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No surprise but Thursty didn't get a vote. Joel Selwood the obvious winner.
2007 NAB AFL Rising Star voting (Maximum possible votes is 45)
1. Joel Selwood (Geelong) 44
2. Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) 37
3. Nathan Jones (Melbourne) 17
4. Justin Westhoff (Port Adelaide) 10
5. Shannon Hurn (West Coast ) 9
6. Jess Smith (Kangaroos) 7
7. Bryce Gibbs (Carlton)
8. Tom Williams (Western Bulldogs) 2
8. Patrick Ryder (Essendon) 2
10. Martin Clarke (Collingwood) 1
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No surprise but Thursty didn't get a vote. Joel Selwood the obvious winner.
2007 NAB AFL Rising Star voting (Maximum possible votes is 45)
1. Joel Selwood (Geelong) 44
2. Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) 37
3. Nathan Jones (Melbourne) 17
4. Justin Westhoff (Port Adelaide) 10
5. Shannon Hurn (West Coast ) 9
6. Jess Smith (Kangaroos) 7
7. Bryce Gibbs (Carlton)
8. Tom Williams (Western Bulldogs) 2
8. Patrick Ryder (Essendon) 2
10. Martin Clarke (Collingwood) 1
congrats selwood :clapping
and what about Gibbs no votes at all for him ;) :lol
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has become one of my favourite players, love his attack on the ball.
well done willy.
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Next up is Thursty.
Return to senior footy in round 8 against Adelaide this year after doing his knee early on in 2006. Thursty played in the all remaining 15 games of the year at full back, averaging 9 disposal and 3 marks.
http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1594&SeasonID=ALL
How did we all rate Will's year?
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Good YEar.
Better tha Gaspars!
Will only improve.
Kudos to WT.
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:thumbsup :thumbsup
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Better than I expected. Grew in confidence as the year went on :clapping Will be a 10+ year key defender for us.
8/10 :thumbsup
:gotigers
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Better than I expected. Grew in confidence as the year went on :clapping Will be a 10+ year key defender for us.
8/10 :thumbsup
:gotigers
I see him developing into a scarlett type full-back, a guy who relies on his athleticism and footy smarts rather than brute strength :thumbsup
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He and Foley were this years highlights.
Both rookies!
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On the night Thursty did his knee with it being bent backwards :-X I just remember feeling guttered. It's just an unbelievable return to footy by Will. Often footballers need another 12 months after returning from a knee to reach their pre-knee form again if they ever do. I would put Thursty's return from an ACL up there with Richo's. He hasn't missed a beat since returning and still has the pace and acceleration to keep up with the best leading forwards. The only time he struggled was against the bigger-bodied gorillas which shows we need another bigger-bodied key defender for those types of forwards.
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Royal's review of Thursty
One of the brightest shining lights to come from a bleak 2007. Will's athleticism and competitive nature, combined with his desire to play on the opposition's best key forwards week in, week out, makes him an outstanding prospect for seasons to come. He is an extremely coachable player who's been able to change his positioning in a manner that not only denies his opponent any advantage but allowed him to lift his possession-rate to an average of 10 per game in 2007. Will is a very popular member of the team and an emerging leader in the long-term.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52716
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What are your expectations for Thursty this year?
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to beat the g train !
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to beat the g train !
Stuff that.
My expectations are that he'll be on Riewoldt instead of Rainesy.
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Further improvement and leading our defence
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Further improvement and leading our defence
ditto. Hope he claims some more big scalps and continue to stake his claims as the premier young key defender in the comp
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Further improvement and leading our defence
ditto. Hope he claims some more big scalps and continue to stake his claims as the premier young key defender in the comp
Sounds good to me :thumbsup. Hopefully this knee is just a niggle that will be gone by round 1.
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Fev - Thursty's first victim of the year. Great job keeping Fev to just a paltry 2 goals and plenty of sooky la las. On ya Will :thumbsup.
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really only 1 goal, as fevs 1st was due to kingys oob on the full
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really only 1 goal, as fevs 1st was due to kingys oob on the full
and only after having a practice shot
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My heart was in my mouth when he went down like a sack of poo after that marking contest in the 4th. A very important player for us. We have done well out of the PSD and Rookie draft.
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really only 1 goal, as fevs 1st was due to kingys oob on the full
and only after having a practice shot
Yeah what went on there? Fev gets a practice shot
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More of what he did last night although there was a passage of play in the first quarter where McMahon kicked out to him beyond the 50 on the members stand side and he was a little blasee going at the ball with one hand when to Blues were bearing down him. He was lucky the ball went out of bounds. Anyway solid in defence very quick and able to keep pace with the fast leading forwards as well as able to hold his own in the one on one strength contests.
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We're very lucky that, like Richo, Thursty doesn't appear to have suffered any ill effects from doing his knee. Hasn't lost any of his pace and was easily keeping up with Fev on the lead.
really only 1 goal, as fevs 1st was due to kingys oob on the full
and only after having a practice shot
Yeah what went on there? Fev gets a practice shot
Ump said Fev wasn't behind the mark :scream.
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Show stopper
richmondfc.com.au
Sebastian Hassett
5:02 PM Wed 09 April, 2008
THE YOUNG defender on many people’s lips might be Collingwood’s Nathan Brown, but Richmond’s Will Thursfield is already staking his own claim for being one of the most promising young defenders in the competition.
Thursfield has been played on the likes of Brendan Fevola, Nathan Thompson and Anthony Rocca in the first three matches of the year, arguably coming out on top on each occasion.
While each week appears to be a case of ‘Who’s he getting next?’ for Brown, Thursfield, by contrast, is hardly getting the headlines. But he’s getting just as many big roles, and could well be the man identified by coach Terry Wallace to take on Fremantle superstar Matthew Pavlich this Sunday.
“[Pavlich] won them the game last week; he’s just an awesome player,” Thursfield told afl.com.au on Wednesday afternoon.
“I could be in the mix to play on him. I’m not sure about the match-ups this week. I might be an option.”
Some might be overawed by the prospect of taking on the game’s elite forwards, but Thursfield remains unperturbed at the thought of going one-out with the best.
“They’re pretty good players, so it’s a little bit scary at first, but once you do your homework and get your head around it, I find it pretty exciting and personally I enjoy the responsibility of having to play on those fellas,” he said, upbeat at the idea of facing Scott Welsh, Lance Franklin and Nick Riewoldt over the next month.
“Hopefully I can continue to keep going like the way I have been, because things have been going pretty well for me lately.”
The optimism is justified, but it wasn’t always the case. Thursfield, still only 21, has had more than his fair share of obstacles to overcome on the path to an AFL career.
He started football life with the uncertainty of the Tigers’ rookie list, before earning a promotion in 2005 alongside another star in the making, Nathan Foley. But while Foley would make an immediate impression in 2006, Thursfield lasted one game before succumbing to a knee injury.
“At the time it was shattering because I was starting to get a game and establish myself and right at the start of the year, to have that happen, I was pretty disappointed,” Thursfield recalled.
“But I was only 19, and they say it’s better to do it when you’re young and it can heal better. It was pretty bad at the time, but I can look at it all now as an experience.
“I’ve had a few injuries and things like that. They make life a lot harder but I’m enjoying being fit, having a pre-season and I reckon that helps a lot to be injury-free so you can show your stuff.”
Thursfield’s form has largely been overshadowed by the prospect of club icon Joel Bowden being demoted from the senior team – and from losses incurred in the Eureka and Rivalry Round matches against North Melbourne and Collingwood.
“Obviously the end results haven’t been too good, but it’s always enjoyable playing at the MCG in those big games, so it was good from that point of view. But obviously we haven’t played well enough to get the results we needed,” Thursfield said.
“It was a good effort in round one, but the poor starts in our past two games have been really costly for us.
“We’ve been able to break even in the second half for both of those games, but we’re giving away too much of a head start. It’s what we need to work on, and if we can start games the way we finish them, we’ll be playing a lot better.”
Thursfield is adamant training on the maligned Punt Road surface isn’t a huge problem for the players, but acknowledges they’d much prefer to be training over the hill.
“I don’t find Punt Road to be too much of a problem, but it would be nice to train a bit more on the ‘G,” he said.
“It’s getting better as we speak, they seem to be doing a bit more work on it, but we love getting a run on the MCG.”
In light of the Bowden debate, it’s interesting to note Thursfield lists his biggest in-house teachers to be players who were criticised toward the end of their careers, lending weight to the belief that experienced players can sometimes be equally important as mentors for younger players.
”Definitely Darren Gaspar when he was here a huge influence, we got on really well and he taught me everything,” Thursfield said.
“He’d be the one I’ve learned the most of, and I still keep in touch with him.”
“Another one in my first year was Mark Graham, who came over from Hawthorn. He was only there for one year, but he taught me a hell of a lot, and it’s those two who I’ve mainly tried to play like.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=57638
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The Tiger who likes a good catch
Emma Quayle | April 27, 2008
WILL Thursfield starts work experience on a St Kilda fishing boat in the next few weeks. The Richmond defender likes to fish more than almost anything, because it helps him relax and it gives him an excuse to travel to new, peaceful places. "I like to catch things," he said, "and eat them."
Such a simple pleasure perhaps helps explain why Thursfield's other favourite pastime is a slightly more hectic pursuit. Should coach Terry Wallace ask the 22-year-old defender who he'd like to play on in any given game, odds are Thursfield would choose the very best forward in the opposition team.
And if he could pick where to play them, he'd drag them as close as possible to their own team's goals. "I enjoy the pressure. I love trying to stop goals and knowing that if you make one mistake, you could be in big trouble," Thursfield said.
"You have to be calm and patient, but you can't be too calm because things can get intense without warning. But I just like having a job to do, knowing that you've been trusted to be responsible for a good player. It keeps you pretty switched on."
Thursfield found football all on his own. Born in England, he spent the first five years there, before his parents moved their young family to Melbourne.
They wanted to live in the sunshine, quite literally: Thursfield's father is a landscape gardener, and one of the big reasons Thursfield took to fishing is because you do it outdoors.
He took holidays at Port Douglas and the Great Barrier Reef last year, and the northern coast of NSW before that.
"I'm not sure where I'll go this year, but I love exploring, being outside and seeing new places," he said. "With footy it was a bit the same, I suppose. We moved over here, it was sunny, and then I found this game."
Since the day he arrived at Punt Road, Thursfield has been a full-back. Partly because he liked it, but also because he was told he was. "When you're a rookie," he said, "you kind of do what you're told."
His timing, speed and reach, said assistant coach David King, meant Thursfield seemed naturally suited to play in that part of the ground. That he was one of the more coachable kids at Richmond, always asking questions and trying to put the things he hears into practice, increased his chances of making things work in defence.
He asked questions when he couldn't play, too. Thursfield earned six games at the end of 2005. In his first game the following year, he was in the middle of a good duel with Nick Riewoldt when his left knee buckled at the start of the last quarter. "You always feel on the edge a bit (when you're a rookie)," he said. "Like things could be over really quickly. The last thing that you want is to spend a whole season out."
Still, Thursfield put his time out injured to good use and, looking back, thinks it gave him a chance to learn more about the role he wanted to play. He got a bit bigger, a lot stronger and watched plenty of other full-backs play, starting with the one in his own team.
"I kept my eye on Darren Gaspar, just trying to learn a few tricks," he said. "You never want to be injured, but the thing they told me was just to keep improving, however I could. If they can see you persisting, I think that's when they'll stick with you. Even though I couldn't play, I was trying to become a better player."
Thursfield struck up a close friendship with Gaspar during his time out, one that endured after the defender was retired early last season, effectively to clear the way for Thursfield, Luke McGuane and Kelvin Moore.
Gaspar liked Thursfield because he was so enthusiastic. "Not many young kids are all that keen to play deep defence, especially so early in their careers," Gaspar said. "Most of them try to get up on a wing or in the middle, but Will put his hand up to play down there. I liked that."
Thursfield felt terrible when Gaspar left, mostly because he liked him, and missed having him around the club. "He taught me everything I know," he said.
"It was upsetting when he left and I wanted him to still be there, but even when he wasn't he was helping me and ringing me up all the time, talking about opponents and helping me.
"It must have been a really hard time for him, but that never came through. He was always there, and I still feel really grateful for that."
So far this season, Thursfield has spent time on Brendan Fevola, Nathan Thompson, Chris Tarrant and Luke McPharlin. Gaspar thinks he's ready for Lance Franklin today, while the Tigers are sure that, no matter who he plays on, he'll be lining up on top forwards for a very long time.
"He's getting stronger and stronger, and his football knowledge is improving all the time," said King. "He's able to play on different types of players now, and he's a young player with enormous potential. He's only going to get better."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-tiger-who-likes-a-good-catch/2008/04/26/1208743332065.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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:thumbsup
I like this boy. Goes about it with little fuss and gets the job done.
Pleased to hear about Gaspar too. Perhaps I have been a bit harsh on him. :clapping
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maybe all the rumours we hear that gas is upset with the club and the players upset with terry are all fos
been a thursty fan since the 1st time i saw him play and totally own micky O, and he has just kept on improving
he respects his spot that is for sure
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Mr reliable in a defence. I was surprised Thursty wasn't on Roughead today though with Moore on Buddy although he did blanket Williams.
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Unassuming
Dependable
Fearless
Courageous
Relaible
Tough
Uncomprimising
Those qualities you want from your defenders.
Will possesses them all. :thumbsup
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David King said tonight that Thursty went on Williams and not Buddy because Will did well on Jeff Farmer against Freo.
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David King said tonight that Thursty went on Williams and not Buddy because Will did well on Jeff Farmer against Freo.
I actually think Thursty would do well no matter who he played on. We need another 5 of him. (No offence to our other backs)
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I actually think Thursty would do well no matter who he played on. We need another 5 of him. (No offence to our other backs)
Agree RROFO. He shut out Buddy for a half last last year before being moved onto Roughead who had 4 goals in a half and kept him quiet also after half time. So he can play on any of the Hawk forwards. Thursty's probably only stretched against the big gorillas.
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Unassuming
Dependable
Fearless
Courageous
Relaible
Tough
Uncomprimising
Those qualities you want from your defenders.
Will possesses them all. :thumbsup
TUFCRUD? ;)
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Unassuming
Dependable
Fearless
Courageous
Relaible
Tough
Uncomprimising
Those qualities you want from your defenders.
Will possesses them all. :thumbsup
Will 'Solid as stuff' Thursfeild. 8)
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How did we all rate Will's season?
His second year after a knee reco and played 18 games. Missed rounds 12-15 due to injury. Not a big stats getter playing in the backline but formed a solid tall defensive trio with Kel and McGaune.
Games Disp. Marks Tackles
2005: 6 9.5 2.5 0.8
2006: 1 2.0 0.0 3.0
2007: 15 9.3 3.3 1.3
2008: 18 9.6 3.3 1.2
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1594&SeasonID=ALL
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A slow developing player that has now shown his worth. Handy player to have and I think oneday may end up at CHF or CHB. 6.5/10
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CHF? ???
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That will be good enough.
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Dont think he gets the credit he deserves. He will be the Tigers Dustin Fletcher, holding down the full back spot for the next 10 years with his Inspector Gadget arms. Gets to nearly every contest and gets a fist on it most of the time. Cool under preasure, love this guy.
7.5/10
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Will (sorry for the pun) be convinced he is a player when he has more strings to his bow than just making a contest and spoiling. Comparisons to Fletcher, Silvagni et al are not justified yet as he needs to add running, creating and positional versatility in order to become a 'very good' footballer. At the moment, to me at least, he is an average footballer with a large potential upside and he still has time to learn but if he doesn't improve then we can easily replace him. At the moment is well behind Moore and McGuane and has Polak, Schulz and Rance as potential replacements.
This year - 4.5/10.
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Dont think he gets the credit he deserves. He will be the Tigers Dustin Fletcher, holding down the full back spot for the next 10 years with his Inspector Gadget arms. Gets to nearly every contest and gets a fist on it most of the time. Cool under preasure, love this guy.
7.5/10
Yep!
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A slow developing player that has now shown his worth. Handy player to have and I think oneday may end up at CHF or CHB. 6.5/10
Solid old school full back IMO.
CHF ?? ???
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Solid old school full back IMO.
And no place for those in modern football. A place for someone who possesses some of those traits - absolutely - but not for someone who has nothing else to offer. Thursfield has to re-invent (or grow or develop or whatever term you want) himself soon or he will watch the game (at the elite level) go past him.
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Solid old school full back IMO.
And no place for those in modern football. A place for someone who possesses some of those traits - absolutely - but not for someone who has nothing else to offer. Thursfield has to re-invent (or grow or develop or whatever term you want) himself soon or he will watch the game (at the elite level) go past him.
I do think you are underating him. He hits targets and is very smart with the ball when he gets it. He is not the fastest in the team but hey you need many types of players not just runners. Think we will have to agree to disagree on him as I think he is a gem.
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I do think you are underating him. He hits targets and is very smart with the ball when he gets it. He is not the fastest in the team but hey you need many types of players not just runners. Think we will have to agree to disagree on him as I think he is a gem.
Yeah, I'm not saying he is no good, I just think he will need to evolve if he is to become a 'good' player or better. I'm just worried that when you dig underneath the hope and the hype that all he actually does well is contests (Jake King anyone?) and in the modern day elite team this type of player is a liability or a passenger . And I will be very happy to be proven wrong but if he becomes a 'good' player then I'll bet anything it's because he starts to do the things he doesn't do currently.
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Yeah, I'm not saying he is no good, I just think he will need to evolve if he is to become a 'good' player or better. I'm just worried that when you dig underneath the hope and the hype that all he actually does well is contests (Jake King anyone?) and in the modern day elite team this type of player is a liability or a passenger . And I will be very happy to be proven wrong but if he becomes a 'good' player then I'll bet anything it's because he starts to do the things he doesn't do currently.
Couldn't disagree more. Not every defender needs to be an attacking defender, every side needs at least one decent stopper who's primary role is to simply shut down his opponent and then feed the ball to one of the runners to rebound the ball.
Will has shown the ability to run off his opponent but when you are standing a guy like Lloyd, you don't run off him to deliver the ball up the ground as you get killed on a turnover. You stay on your man and let the others clean up.
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Couldn't disagree more. Not every defender needs to be an attacking defender, every side needs at least one decent stopper who's primary role is to simply shut down his opponent and then feed the ball to one of the runners to rebound the ball.
Will has shown the ability to run off his opponent but when you are standing a guy like Lloyd, you don't run off him to deliver the ball up the ground as you get killed on a turnover. You stay on your man and let the others clean up.
Tell me the name of one Geelong defender that only plays that role - or one Hawthorn defender, or one Bulldog defender for that matter? All the best spoilers in those good teams become creative linkmen as soon as their team has possesion in the backline. Even slow old farts like Milburn. I remember a free kick to Brian Lake in the Doggies forward 50 that had a significant impact on our season - I'm not confident Thursfield would even know where our forward 50 is. These teams run off a Matthew Lloyd all day because he is not quick and not defensive - they back themselves and their team mates by taking the game up to the opposition at every opportunity, placing enormous and continual pressure on said opposition. McGuane is doing it more and more, Moore does it, but I rarely see Thursfield do it and all I am saying is that unless/until he does, he will not make it as a good or long term senior AFL footballer - all I see at the moment is potential. Just my opinion.
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Couldn't disagree more. Not every defender needs to be an attacking defender, every side needs at least one decent stopper who's primary role is to simply shut down his opponent and then feed the ball to one of the runners to rebound the ball.
Will has shown the ability to run off his opponent but when you are standing a guy like Lloyd, you don't run off him to deliver the ball up the ground as you get killed on a turnover. You stay on your man and let the others clean up.
Tell me the name of one Geelong defender that only plays that role - or one Hawthorn defender, or one Bulldog defender for that matter? All the best spoilers in those good teams become creative linkmen as soon as their team has possesion in the backline. Even slow old farts like Milburn. I remember a free kick to Brian Lake in the Doggies forward 50 that had a significant impact on our season - I'm not confident Thursfield would even know where our forward 50 is. These teams run off a Matthew Lloyd all day because he is not quick and not defensive - they back themselves and their team mates by taking the game up to the opposition at every opportunity, placing enormous and continual pressure on said opposition. McGuane is doing it more and more, Moore does it, but I rarely see Thursfield do it and all I am saying is that unless/until he does, he will not make it as a good or long term senior AFL footballer - all I see at the moment is potential. Just my opinion.
Bulldogs: Dale Morris (But will probably be AA regardless)
Hathorn: Trent Croad and Steven Gilham
Cats: Harry Taylor doesnt attack much but not really one from Geelong's team.
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Bulldogs: Dale Morris (But will probably be AA regardless)
Hathorn: Trent Croad and Steven Gilham
Cats: Harry Taylor doesnt attack much but not really one from Geelong's team.
I don't agree with these so lets have a closer look.
Thursfield averages 9.3 disposals, 3.1 marks, 1.2 tackles and has never scored in his 40 games.
Morris averages 12.0 disposals, 4.2 marks, 2.6 tackles and has scored 1 goal 5 behinds in his 85 games.
Croad averages 14.8 disposals, 5.6 marks, 1.2 tackles and has scored 189 goals 158 behinds in his 182 games.
Gilham averages 13.3 disposals, 5.8 marks, 1.1 tackles and has scored 2 goals in his 50 games.
Taylor averages 15.8 disposals, 4.8 marks, 1.4 tackles and has scored 3 goals in his 19 games.
These figures clearly show that Thursfield does not get as 'involved' in the game as any of the others and the fact he has never scored indicates he never places himself in a scoring position ie 'involved by linking up and creating options forward'. If he did start to run, back himself and play a more creative role then you would see his stats jump up significantly because he has currently achieved them by being a spoiler in it's purest form. Teams demand more input from defenders now than just pure spoiling and that's why I say he will not make it if he doesn't add more strings to his bow. And on top of that, Thursfield has the worst frees for/frees against ratio out of all these comparative players (he gives away more than 2 for every 1 received - Croad is the only other one who is negative, he gives away about 1.7 for every 1 received) so you could mount a strong case for him being a borderline liability, especially when you consider almost every free he gives away is in a scoring position.
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Bulldogs: Dale Morris (But will probably be AA regardless)
Hathorn: Trent Croad and Steven Gilham
Cats: Harry Taylor doesnt attack much but not really one from Geelong's team.
I don't agree with these so lets have a closer look.
Thursfield averages 9.3 disposals, 3.1 marks, 1.2 tackles and has never scored in his 40 games.
Morris averages 12.0 disposals, 4.2 marks, 2.6 tackles and has scored 1 goal 5 behinds in his 85 games.
Croad averages 14.8 disposals, 5.6 marks, 1.2 tackles and has scored 189 goals 158 behinds in his 182 games.
Gilham averages 13.3 disposals, 5.8 marks, 1.1 tackles and has scored 2 goals in his 50 games.
Taylor averages 15.8 disposals, 4.8 marks, 1.4 tackles and has scored 3 goals in his 19 games.
These figures clearly show that Thursfield does not get as 'involved' in the game as any of the others and the fact he has never scored indicates he never places himself in a scoring position ie 'involved by linking up and creating options forward'. If he did start to run, back himself and play a more creative role then you would see his stats jump up significantly because he has currently achieved them by being a spoiler in it's purest form. Teams demand more input from defenders now than just pure spoiling and that's why I say he will not make it if he doesn't add more strings to his bow. And on top of that, Thursfield has the worst frees for/frees against ratio out of all these comparative players (he gives away more than 2 for every 1 received - Croad is the only other one who is negative, he gives away about 1.7 for every 1 received) so you could mount a strong case for him being a borderline liability, especially when you consider almost every free he gives away is in a scoring position.
Arent we rating Thursfield's year, not career? ??? ???
How about we do it on real terms and rate a year like the thread says so if you want to because a stats man do it on the relative terms of the thread. ::)
There is no way possible Croad would have averaged 15 possessions a game this year.
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Arent we rating Thursfield's year, not career? ??? ???
How about we do it on real terms and rate a year like the thread says so if you want to because a stats man do it on the relative terms of the thread. ::)
There is no way possible Croad would have averaged 15 possessions a game this year.
I am rating Thursfield's year. My point in my original post was that I rated his season 4.5/10 based on my belief he is one-dimensional and doesn't do anything much else than spoil in a contest. I then said he would need to learn new skills (add more strings to his bow) if he wanted to survive going forward. I would think that all this was very much on the topic of the thread. When my opinion was questioned I raised the point that other good teams don't have this type of player on board and when some names were mentioned I gave some facts to support my point.
Thursfield's stats have hardly improved from last year to this and that is a concern to me because I think he needs to be improving significantly each year as a kid otherwise he will not make it. Hence, my rating of Thursfield's year using this season's, last season's or any other season's stats is 4.5/10 with this comment - if he doesn't develop his running, creating and involving then he will not play out a long or successful career.
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Arent we rating Thursfield's year, not career? ??? ???
How about we do it on real terms and rate a year like the thread says so if you want to because a stats man do it on the relative terms of the thread. ::)
There is no way possible Croad would have averaged 15 possessions a game this year.
I am rating Thursfield's year. My point in my original post was that I rated his season 4.5/10 based on my belief he is one-dimensional and doesn't do anything much else than spoil in a contest. I then said he would need to learn new skills (add more strings to his bow) if he wanted to survive going forward. I would think that all this was very much on the topic of the thread. When my opinion was questioned I raised the point that other good teams don't have this type of player on board and when some names were mentioned I gave some facts to support my point.
Thursfield's stats have hardly improved from last year to this and that is a concern to me because I think he needs to be improving significantly each year as a kid otherwise he will not make it. Hence, my rating of Thursfield's year using this season's, last season's or any other season's stats is 4.5/10 with this comment - if he doesn't develop his running, creating and involving then he will not play out a long or successful career.
You gave career stats instead of yearly stats when we are discussing players YEARS.
If you are going to analyse Thursty's year and compare it with stats from those I nominated do it on the same terms as you rate his year, by the year, not by their career.
Surely you understand your inconsistency there?
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You gave career stats instead of yearly stats when we are discussing players YEARS.
If you are going to analyse Thursty's year and compare it with stats from those I nominated do it on the same terms as you rate his year, by the year, not by their career.
Surely you understand your inconsistency there?
I only gave stats when it was suggested that the current good sides had players of similar ilk - I used stats to point out why I disagreed. I rated his year much lower than most of the other posters and I felt obliged to explain why. I rated him that way because of what I perceive to be a significant deficiency in his game. Rating the stats year by year will not prove anything but when I have been asked to back up what I believe his deficiency was this year (and has been since he started) then the stats are very relevant.
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Player role changes though, for example, Croad became the Hawks stopper this year and averaged 10.5 disposals. Previously he's been a much more mobile player, even playing forward, but this year he is their main key defender. He's a 182 game 28 year old veteran too.
Thursfield has been our stopper from day one, has only played 40 games and is only 22 years old. Give the kid a break.
He's shown that he can get a bit of the ball especially last year with games towards the end of the year in their high teens. Strangly Will didn't have his best year this year, even with more support, but he's still well on track to be a 10 year defender for us.
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The Hawk defenders are hard to compare to as they push up to form the 15-man Clarkson cluster and deny the opposition forward 50 entries so they're less concerned about manning up on their direct opponent. If you break through the cluster often enough as we did to them in round 20 turning their own cluster back onto them then you can score pretty easily.
As for Thursty he plays more like a Max Hudghton and Croad as Infamy said. Had a fairly good year doing well containing the leading up tall forwards like a Lloyd but needs to leave the big lugs to Moore or McGuane and he got chopped up by Mark Johnson in the freo game.
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5.5/10
Struggled at times during the year...
2nd half I thought his form dropped away
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Tigeriffic. :thumbsup
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This isn't on the net so I typed it out.
Fishing for a new angle
By Craig Hutchison
Herald-Sun 09 NOV 2008, Page S06
EVEN at 22 and with only 40 games and four AFL seasons under his belt, Richmond defender Will Thursfield is thinking about life after football.
Thursfield, a key to Richmond's much improved defence in 2008, has started work with a fishing charter business as part of the AFL Sports Ready/AFL Players Association Next Goal program.
"I met Andre (Lindsay), the skipper down there (at St Kilda Pier), and I've been working throughout the break and on days off whenever possible,'' Thursfield said.
"I go out on the boat and teach people how to fish and prepare food and prepare all the fishing gear and learn about the industry.''
The program has resulted in more than 200 AFL players taking job placements since its inception in 2002 and has included stars such as Shane Crawford (who has worked at Freedman Brothers Racing) and St Kilda gun Sam Fisher (Sandhurst Golf Club).
Thursfield believes the program not only benefits footballers with outside skills, but provides an avenue to life outside football.
"Footy doesn't last that long and it's good to have an outside interest, and then have something to fall back on when you finish,'' he said.
"It's not only good on the after-footy stuff, it's also good just to get away on the day off and do something different.''
And the career move is proving popular with teammates -- Thursfield took a bunch, including Graham Polak, fishing last week.
"I took out five (Richmond) boys last week and two of them didn't catch a thing, but everyone else caught about 10 each,'' he said.
Polak and ruckman Adam Pattison did not catch a fish.
"Graham's going really well, he's back doing some training and he's looking fit,'' Thursfield said.
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footy and fishing what a life :thumbsup
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Sounds like he takes after Rex Hunt, Hope he can have as good a football career as him. Including playing in a few GF's also.
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Here's the pic from BF of Thursty in the paper
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081109165009ki8.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081109165009ki8.jpg)
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Need to find out the name of the charter company, it could be good for their business. I for one like going on the odd fishing charter and would be more than happy to use them if i got thursty out on the boat with me.
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SNAPPY CUISINE
PROUD hunter of a splendid snapper is Mark Coughlan who, in the company of several Richmond buddies, went out on a boat on Sunday with a group from the Futurefish Foundation that aims to teach young anglers about sustainable practices.
While Coughlan, a keen fisherman, doesn’t look overly happy in this shot, he was feeling pretty chuffed yesterday after enjoying his catch at a barbecue put on by fellow Tiger Andrew Raines the next day.
"He was probably four kilos, but you can say he’s six if you like," Coughlan said.
Incidentally, the weekend outing was fruitful for Raines, Adam Pattison, Kayne Pettifer and Kelvin Moore as well. Only Will Thursfield returned to solid ground empty-handed.
Most impressive of all though was Raines’ subsequent efforts with the snapper in the kitchen.
"He wrapped it in foil and chucked it on the barbecue. He even marinated it, I think," Coughlan said, still sounding stunned. "But that was just trying to impress his girlfriend and he actually forgot to scale it."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/miss-behave/2008/11/14/1226318849754.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Here's the pic from BF of Thursty in the paper
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081109165009ki8.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20081109165009ki8.jpg)
Not too sure if it is just the angle or photo but he looks like he has bulked up a bit
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Tiger catches on
By Craig Hutchison
Sunday Herald-Sun 16 NOV 2008, Page S07
* THIS photograph is proof that Adam Pattison can catch a fish. (anyone got the pic?)
After teammate Will Thursfield told this column of Pattison's trouble landing a fish last week, the Tiger ruckman has been quick to hit back. Pattison landed the catch of the day last Sunday.
Pattison cruised the bay with teammates Mark Coughlan, Kelvin Moore, Kayne Pettifer, Andrew Raines and Thursfield, along with Carlton's Richard Hadley, fishing for snapper as part of the Futurefish charity.
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What did we all think of his comeback game last night?
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I thought he went fine
Did a pretty good job on McPharlin until he went off injured
Didn't notice him much after that though
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It was an average game by Thursfield. Did some good and some bad but remained competitive. Should keep his spot.
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I thought his game was passable.
However I want Rance in when he is ready and I think Thursfield is the one to go.
Couldnt drop McGuane, Tambo, Polo, Newman or Moore so I think thursty might have to make way.
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I thought his game was passable.
However I want Rance in when he is ready and I think Thursfield is the one to go.
Couldnt drop McGuane, Tambo, Polo, Newman or Moore so I think thursty might have to make way.
It should be Bowden who gets dropped for Rance
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I was disappointed with Will's game - he seemed to struggle reading the play and keeping up with it.
Having said that I'd give him another game next week to see where he is at.
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I thought his game was passable.
However I want Rance in when he is ready and I think Thursfield is the one to go.
Couldnt drop McGuane, Tambo, Polo, Newman or Moore so I think thursty might have to make way.
It should be Bowden who gets dropped for Rance
get off joels back, he is still in our best 8 players, and once again played a vital part in our win
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i hardly noticed Thursfield. but that i thought was a good thing. i do not think his opponent(s) had much of the Football.
Joel Bowden was not the worst player for us. but i would drop him for Rance.
however i though, Brown, Pettfier, Simmonds, White were worse.
Brown is such a 'show pony' it isn't funny, and i think he should retire!
Simmonds has lost it. (it happens)
Pettifer is just no good!
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I thought his game was passable.
However I want Rance in when he is ready and I think Thursfield is the one to go.
Couldnt drop McGuane, Tambo, Polo, Newman or Moore so I think thursty might have to make way.
It should be Bowden who gets dropped for Rance
get off joels back, he is still in our best 8 players, and once again played a vital part in our win
Absolute garbage, he did one nice pass the whole night to Cotchin who delivered to Morton for the goal, he did sweet FA the entire night. No way would I have him in our top 8 players, not even close.
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I want to see Thursty, Moore, McGaune, Rance in the same side.
Drop Bowden
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bowden wont get dropped , he played a very good game and did many great thinks defensively
thursty was serviceable at times but looked lost, he needs to find form at coburg first, which he hasnt yet,
post and rance must come in for thursty and petts
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Thursfield puts hopes in selection axe
Adam Cooper
July 25, 2009 - 4:34PM
Richmond's Will Thursfield admits he is a better player for being dropped this AFL season, and is hopeful the Tigers' tough selection policy has a similar impact on his teammates.
Caretaker coach Jade Rawlings has not been afraid of axing high-profile players in his short time in charge, having already dumped best-and-fairest winners Joel Bowden and Mark Coughlan.
Shane Tuck, another fan favourite, was dropped during the week for Sunday's game against Essendon at the MCG.
Thursfield began the season as Richmond's established fullback, but was dropped - albeit by then-coach Terry Wallace - after the round-one capitulation to Carlton and spent the next two months in the VFL.
Thursfield felt the spell in the reserves worked in his favour in the long run, and said Rawlings had made it clear reputations counted for little when it came to keeping standards towards the end of the season.
"Jade made it clear from day one that everyone's got to live by certain criteria and no one's safe," Thursfield said.
"It's been good and we've been training that way, and it's become really clear, so it's been good.
"Everyone knows no one's above getting dropped."
Thursfield has enjoyed a strong return in the backline despite the Tigers' lean run of results recently, and said while his omission hurt at the time, it had helped him improve.
"I thought at the time it was a bit tough after being solid for a couple of years, but it was good to work on a couple of things and a I think I've come back a better player," he said.
"After getting extended time down there (in the VFL), which was longer than I would have hoped for, you realise you don't want to be playing your footy down there and it makes you pretty hungry to stay on track and improve and stay playing in the AFL.
"Since I've been back I've been pretty happy with my form and I'm just keen now to finish the year off well."
Rawlings' ruthless selection policy is bound to stir the tanking debate given the Tigers (three wins, 12 losses, one draw) can still qualify for a priority pick provided they do not earn any more points.
But Thursfield said the Tigers were desperate to win again for Rawlings, who is in the running to be appointed the club's next full-time coach.
"He's putting so much time and effort in we'd like to win a few games for him," he said.
"We won the first one under him, against West Coast, and we haven't got a result since, but we'd like to win a few games for Jade and also for the group because we're putting in a lot of hard work and we'd like to get some reward."
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/thursfield-puts-hopes-in-selection-axe-20090725-dwqs.html
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Next up is Will. Entering his sixth season with 53 games under his belt.
What are our expectations for Thursty in 2010 and what would be a good year for him?
Games Disp. Marks Tackles
2005: 6 9.5 2.5 0.8
2006: 1 2.0 0.0 3.0
2007: 15 9.3 3.3 1.3
2008: 18 9.6 3.3 1.2
2009: 13 7.4 2.3 1.2
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1594&SeasonID=ALL
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I would expect Will to stop being seen in public with Jordy in 2010. Not good for the image Will ;)
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I'm just hoping he's spending alot of time in the gym. He seemed to look a bit bigger when I went to training 2 weeks ago. He has to aim to reach 90kg+ for Round 1 this year. If he wants to improve as a player he'd be locking himself in the gym
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I for one was extremely disappointed in Will's 2009 season.
Thought he struggled and at times seemed to be a "spectator" out on the ground. IMVHO at times didn't chase enough or go in for the tackle to help out his mate. Also thought on a number of occassions against the top line forwards he gave them too much of a start on the lead....
So my expectation is simple, play more team orientated footy (the Hardwick mantra ;D) and the rest will take care of itself. Clearly he is our best option at FB and I just want to see him focus on the basics and as I said the rest will take care of itself
:gotigers
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sometimes Will has a darren gasper look about him...seems disinterested in the proceedings out in the middle...i know this is probably not true,just the body language he has
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I have a lot of time for this guy and I believe he has a lot to offer, unfortunately and apparently last year he was suffering off field and hence that transpired on field. Will needs to get on the park regularly and stay there, he was playing some very good football a couple of years ago and I would expect him to return to that form this year, provided he can get over what ever niggle he has at the moment.
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I expect 22 games from Will. Hopefully he has a consistent year for us.
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I said it 12 months ago and I'll say it again - if he doesn't add more strings to his bow than just closing and spoiling then he will not make it. He provides little run out of defence, is not strong in the air (except when spoiling), is not physically strong enough to battle the 'gorillas', and has no obvious potential to play anywhere else except fullback. I'd love him to prove me wrong but I think he has a real challenge in front of him to add these skills and become a valuable team member.
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I said it 12 months ago and I'll say it again - if he doesn't add more strings to his bow than just closing and spoiling then he will not make it. He provides little run out of defence, is not strong in the air (except when spoiling), is not physically strong enough to battle the 'gorillas', and has no obvious potential to play anywhere else except fullback. I'd love him to prove me wrong but I think he has a real challenge in front of him to add these skills and become a valuable team member.
Full backs don't have to provide run usually. As long as you have other defenders who run the ball out then the full back just has to stop his opponent. Thursty just needs to stay in the gym
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Full backs don't have to provide run usually. As long as you have other defenders who run the ball out then the full back just has to stop his opponent. Thursty just needs to stay in the gym
I strongly disagree. In the modern game every defender must have the propensity and talent to run the ball, and those that don't are reducing the attacking impact of their defensive unit. All the good current fullbacks provide significant link-up running. Thursfield is average in so many areas that if he is also average in this critical area then he becomes a liability to the team. I want him to succeed but I'm very worried about his ability to do so.
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Backs back to basics: Thursfield
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
Thu 06 May, 2010
RICHMOND defender Will Thursfield says the new coaching regime at the Tigers is teaching the backline to defend.
Not too radical, you might think, but with the Tigers having a percentage of less than 50 this season - they've kicked 52 goals and given up 110 in six rounds (the Saints have given up just 50) - and having had the leakiest defence in 2009, it's clearly an idea whose time has come.
The Tigers sacked Terry Wallace midway through 2009 and installed assistant Jade Rawlings to guide the team through the rest of the year, and then snapped up Hawthorn assistant coach Damien Hardwick to rebuild the team.
Hardwick cleaned out both the playing and coaching ranks, and one of the new arrivals was defensive champion Justin Leppitsch, who was the cornerstone of the Brisbane Lions backline when they powered to a hat-trick of flags from 2001-03.
Thursfield said the arrival of the experienced redhead had been a boon for the club.
"Big Leppa - he knows a lot about defending, which is good for us, because in the past we've been taught more how to attack," he told richmondfc.com.au.
"He's teaching us a lot about spoiling, the positioning of the body and things like that.
"He's a good teacher, and he enjoys doing it as well, so he's a pretty valuable addition."
Thursfield said Leppitsch had a good approach for working with the group he had at the Tigers.
"He's pretty light-hearted and he likes getting out there with the boots on and being involved himself, which is good because he's a big, strong man.
"When playing on him you just have to get him moving because he's lost a bit of pace, but he's a big immovable object if you let him stand still.
"He doesn't like to run around too much, Leppa."
The senior coach, possibly not surprisingly, is cut from the same cloth, with a strong teaching directive.
"He's [Hardwick] going really well - we've got a clear message as to how we want to play and we train that way.
"Every time we go out there to train we do things the way we want to play.
"You would have seen it in patches, but it's just a matter of sustaining it over the course of a game."
The 24-year-old said the new coach's positive attitude helped a lot.
Hardwick promised to bring a simplified game style to the Tigers, and Thursfield said the side was getting their heads around the changes.
"It's becoming more natural now, but definitely at first we had a bit of trouble getting used to it, because we were used to the way we'd been trying to play the last four or five years.
"So at first it was tough, but now it's definitely becoming more natural.
"He's a very positive man, even in light of how we've been going.
"Every time we review a match he likes to point out a lot of positive stuff we're doing, but he is also very harsh when we go outside the game plan."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/93711/default.aspx
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It's a good idea. You'd think most defenders would know how to kill the ball, spoil it towards the boundary line or through the behinds, not our blokes.
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Just sounds like we are wiping the slate clean and start completely from scratch which is great for the new players but must be incredible difficult for the existing players who would now instinctively play a certain way. No wonder we look rudderless out there this year given the complete rebuild. Must be like trying to speak another language for most of them in a country that has speaks hundred miles an hour.
Maybe in 2011 we will see the change..... :-\
Stripes
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Riewoldt, Tiger patch it up
August 23, 2010
NICK Riewoldt's attack on a marking contest sent Tiger Will Thursfield from the field with a corked thigh, but only after a massive spray from the Saints skipper.
Thursfield lay injured on the turf at Etihad Stadium during the last quarter of Saturday's game as Riewoldt barked some personal criticism into the Tiger's ear.
''I probably didn't realise that he was hurt so badly,'' Riewoldt told Channel Seven. ''I just told him maybe to keep his eye on the ball next time.
''But I went over after the game. We shook hands and I just checked how he was.''
Riewoldt did not feel Thursfield had tried to ''tunnel'' him by taking out his legs as he leapt for the ball.
''It's one of those situations where you're not quite sure to go or what to do in that situation. It happens pretty quickly,'' Riewoldt said.
''But we spoke after the game. He was fine.''
Former Tiger Matthew Richardson defended Thursfield's actions in his side's 21-point loss to the Saints.
''He's coming back with the flight of the ball. There was no real intent there (to injure Riewoldt),'' Richardson said.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said he expected Thursfield would be fit to play against Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium next Sunday.
"He went back with the flight of the ball and big Rooey went straight through him, as every good forward does," Hardwick said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/riewoldt-tiger-patch-it-up-20100822-13av6.html
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Nick's actions were uncalled for and very unsporting
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So Thursty may actually be out with a 'leg' this week?
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Nick's actions were uncalled for and very unsporting
I was quite surprised when I read this story and I agree with you eliminator.
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Thursfield wants out of Tigers
RICHMOND full-back Will Thursfield has told the Tigers he will be seeking a trade.
Thursfield met with coach Damian Hardwick this week and told him he was keen for more opportunities at a rival club.
The 24-year-old 192cm key back has lacked opportunities, with fellow defenders Kelvin Moore, Luke McGuane and Alex Rance ahead of him in the line-up.
He played 14 games this year, but with several clubs keen to lure a key defender, the Tigers are likely to trade him.
Richmond is looking to add some midfield class to its list by recruiting Essendon’s Bachar Houli.
Trade week starts next Tuesday and runs until the following Monday.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/thursfield-wants-out-of-tigers/story-e6frf9jf-1225930911678
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Didn't really want him to leave, IMHO we need our taller stocks, in particular in the backline, but if he want's to go there is nothing much we can do I suppose.
Surley we won't trade Rance back to the West now.......surley.. ???
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dissapointing imo. i rate him alongside Moore as the two best tall defenders we've got.
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Hopefully McGuane leaves as well.
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That's sad.
Oh well thanks for the memories, would he be worth a second rounder in a compromised draft?
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Well played RFC and respect to Willy for taking one for the team ;)
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2nd Round Pick!
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Real shame I massively rate Thursty.
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Well played RFC and respect to Willy for taking one for the team ;)
he'll get better opportunity somewhere else, we will get a trade and try and fill a need.
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Well played RFC and respect to Willy for taking one for the team ;)
he'll get better opportunity somewhere else, we will get a trade and try and fill a need.
Anyone in mind Ramps?
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No great loss, was serviceable to an extent.
Moore and Astbury are the only two I'd have any emotion about leaving and i'd be definetly looking to trade Rance ASAP.
Forgot to add, Gourdis will play alot of games next year, impressed with his three games at the end of the season, was set to go past Thursfeild.
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I think Dylan Grimes is a better bet
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Good luck to him, wasnt against 2 of willy, mcguane, moore and rance leaving
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Always liked William. Shame to see him go.
Hope we get good draft pick.
Mcgaune and thusty for 2 Good draft picks would be ideal
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No great loss, serviceable at best and had been prone to 'issues' in the past. Don't know what they were but well documented that his output was affected a year or 2 back. Was going to be either him or McGuane and he probably saw a better outcome for himself by jumping before he was pushed. At least now he can chase the clubs he prefers, not be forced anywhere. Thanks for the efforts Will and bye.
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he'll get better opportunity somewhere else, we will get a trade and try and fill a need.
exactly Ramps, win/win
I have no doubt he'd rather stay but that's the way it goes
Will getting on the front foot and declaring the move his decision gives him more value in trade week than if the club came out and said he was surplus
It also deservedly gives him a bit more control over his future
nicely executed and again kudos to Will, wish him all the best
ever the englishman, or should that be fisherman ;)
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take sentiments aside
facts are thursty was a clossic list clogger and a hopeless big game player, lets just say he cant cope :shh
lets hope we can suck a team in
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Popelords impressive OER banner will now be ruined (after only one season)...I hope Thursty takes that into consideration.
Could be time for a new banner including Dustin Martin & our Coleman medalist.
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Martin and riewoldt flanked by Troy Taylor and Jimmy oreily
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We were very patient with him and his body, which it seems cannot stand the rigours of a full season of AFL footy.
Bye bye Will, you will not be missed one iota
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We were very patient with him and his body, which it seems cannot stand the rigours of a full season of AFL footy.
Bye bye Will, you will not be missed one iota
He suffered injuries because of his courage. Anyone as hard at it as him has my respect...he will be missed by quite a few.
Cheers, Will. Hope your footy works out :cheers
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He never really recovered from that "big knee" a few years ago. Remember him giving Roo a decent match up before that.
He will only ever be a back up defender in a middle of the road side.
He has been an ok player in a lowly side and will not be missed but doubt anyone else will want him.
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Agree. Won't be missed.
Vastly overrated by many Tiger supporters.
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Thanks Will for asking for a trade - makes things easier. I think he has some real currency
Bottom line is if you don't want to be at the Club you're better off going
BYE
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Will is a terrific fella, he definately wouldnt want to leave.
Just wants to play senior footy.
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Will is a terrific fella, he definately wouldnt want to leave.
Just wants to play senior footy.
Totally agree
One of the best blokes you would ever meet at a football club :thumbsup
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the only issue i have with this is it was Thursfield and not Mcguane leaving.
Please mcguane follow suit you are not required at this football club.
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Will is a terrific fella, he definately wouldnt want to leave.
Just wants to play senior footy.
Nice guy or not, Hardwick is a good judge of ability.
Wil does not have the required skills we need to get better.
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Popelords impressive OER banner will now be ruined (after only one season)...I hope Thursty takes that into consideration.
Could be time for a new banner including Dustin Martin & our Coleman medalist.
Yep, Lids, Cotch, Martin & Jack... they're not going anywhere
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IF WE can find another 2 top 30 picks from somewhere then it will be a great bonus for us IMHO.
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old news hits the headlines ;D :thumbsup
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Will is a terrific fella, he definately wouldnt want to leave.
Just wants to play senior footy.
Agree with all that
But the article says Will has asked for a trade :-\ So I based my views on that
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change of enviroment, good luck Will
im sure another draft pick will come in handy
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so much for everyone being bonded together and looking forward to playing finals as a group. ::) ::)
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Already looking into a new look banner, might take a vote on who gets the nod in the new one. Might keep the same format if everyone likes the look of it and reshuffle the players on the right. Posty prob gets the flick after a poor year.
Close ups like the one we have or some longer shots maybe a Dusty fend off and Jacks speccie?
Send in any requests..
I might make a few to vote on if i get enough decent pics.
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so much for everyone being bonded together and looking forward to playing finals as a group. ::) ::)
been known he wanted out for some time, after Gasper got shafted, Will's game dropped right off.
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Sad to see him go. Always rated him. Only hope we get a good draft pick.
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Already looking into a new look banner, might take a vote on who gets the nod in the new one. Might keep the same format if everyone likes the look of it and reshuffle the players on the right. Posty prob gets the flick after a poor year.
Close ups like the one we have or some longer shots maybe a Dusty fend off and Jacks speccie?
Send in any requests..
I might make a few to vote on if i get enough decent pics.
The voting idea is a good one pope. We could make it an annual sort of 'honour board' of OER - have a vote each year and top 4 get to be on the banner for the next 12 months.
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so much for everyone being bonded together and looking forward to playing finals as a group. ::) ::)
been known he wanted out for some time, after Gasper got shafted, Will's game dropped right off.
If that's true TM (and I'm not doubting you) then that's a sad reflection on Will, to hold a grudge or let something like that affect his performance over such a long period of time. He's not cut out for senior football if that's his way.
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I thought his game dropped off after he did his knee. :P
My guess is that he could see the writing on the wall, with youngsters like Astbury, Gourdis and Grimes pushing him further and further back in the pecking order over time.
Has been a very serviceable player, but I dont think he has recaptured what he was showing before he did his knee. If he goes elsewhere and finds greener pastures then good luck to him. Hopefully it will be a win win situation.
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I find this very fustrating.
I always thought the reason former All Australian defenders Gasper and Andy Kellaway were "tapped on the shoulder" was to "pump" games into players like Will....Now after 67 games -Will wants out.
He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Hopefully we get a decent trade/pick for Will and this turns out to be a win/win situation.
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Bottom line is he just couldn't put on the necessary bulk to be a truly valuable FB. Closing speed and ability to spoil are 1st class can keep up with any fwd. But 86kg is just too small for FB, and his ability to rebound is just not good enough to warrant a 3rd Tall position. Add 7-8kgs to that frame and i guarantee he'd still be a tiger. No loss but good luck to him, I liked him.
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He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Stopping starts in the midfield.
St. Kilda are playing in a grand final and their backline has Dawson, Blake and Gwilt (handy but no star) in it.
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I find this very fustrating.
I always thought the reason former All Australian defenders Gasper and Andy Kellaway were "tapped on the shoulder" was to "pump" games into players like Will....Now after 67 games -Will wants out.
He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Hopefully we get a decent trade/pick for Will and this turns out to be a win/win situation.
i remember fev kicking about 9 goals on him at the MCG which was painful.
for a 24 year old kpp he is too light - dustin martinis more kg than thursty
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I find this very fustrating.
I always thought the reason former All Australian defenders Gasper and Andy Kellaway were "tapped on the shoulder" was to "pump" games into players like Will....Now after 67 games -Will wants out.
He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Hopefully we get a decent trade/pick for Will and this turns out to be a win/win situation.
i remember fev kicking about 9 goals on him at the MCG which was painful.
for a 24 year old kpp he is too light - dustin martinis more kg than thursty
He doesn't seem as manly if you call him dustin martini
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Yeah I remember Fev taking him to the cleaners too...Thursty did however keep to one goal this year.
I remember when Dunstall kicked 17.5 on Turner in 1992 and Scotty turned it around in 1995 keeping him to 1 goal in 2 games.
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Yeah I remember Fev taking him to the cleaners too...Thursty did however keep to one goal this year.
Wasnt that the one where Fev was surely busted.
FEV couldnt have played like that and have been anywhere near fit, could he?
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so much for everyone being bonded together and looking forward to playing finals as a group. ::) ::)
been known he wanted out for some time, after Gasper got shafted, Will's game dropped right off.
If that's true TM (and I'm not doubting you) then that's a sad reflection on Will, to hold a grudge or let something like that affect his performance over such a long period of time. He's not cut out for senior football if that's his way.
maybe l should have wrote that better Ol Smokey
he never had a grudge. l have known since August & did throw the bait out, but you missed my hook ;D l posted in August.
Anyway he looked upto Gasper as his mentor & was disappointed like other players when they told Darren to retire. Willy seemed to lose his way abit after that.
Of course injuries & bad coaching dont help anyone. Too much has happened down there to some players. l did say last season some were not happy & the poo would hit the fan with some wanting out. you can search back through my posts & see l have mentioned it.
just to mention players do get peeed off when some 1 year wonders get better contract offers than those who have been loyal & l will leave it there mate. :thumbsup
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I find this very fustrating.
I always thought the reason former All Australian defenders Gasper and Andy Kellaway were "tapped on the shoulder" was to "pump" games into players like Will....Now after 67 games -Will wants out.
He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Hopefully we get a decent trade/pick for Will and this turns out to be a win/win situation.
i remember fev kicking about 9 goals on him at the MCG which was painful.
for a 24 year old kpp he is too light - dustin martinis more kg than thursty
He doesn't seem as manly if you call him dustin martini
il stick to 'aston martin' :gotigers :cheers
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thats why l always called Thursty - Floppy Jumper ;D But thats the fault of the development staff & RFC itself for not having the right people to lift him to the next level.
l got no doubt in my mind that he will do well at another club with renewed interest.
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I find this very fustrating.
I always thought the reason former All Australian defenders Gasper and Andy Kellaway were "tapped on the shoulder" was to "pump" games into players like Will....Now after 67 games -Will wants out.
He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Hopefully we get a decent trade/pick for Will and this turns out to be a win/win situation.
100% correct
the wrong guy is leaving
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If he does not want to be here, then why worry about him.
Let him go would rather someone who wants to play and fight for his possie than someone who would rather
play in a middle range or lower range side for a guaranteed salary where the spotlight is not as bright.
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so much for everyone being bonded together and looking forward to playing finals as a group. ::) ::)
been known he wanted out for some time, after Gasper got shafted, Will's game dropped right off.
Are you serious dude ? That was bloody four years ago ! Maybe he wasn't happy at the time but being that he is a professional AFL footballer I think he would've gotten over the Gaspar thing in say... about 5 minutes
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thats why l always called Thursty - Floppy Jumper ;D But thats the fault of the development staff & RFC itself for not having the right people to lift him to the next level.
l got no doubt in my mind that he will do well at another club with renewed interest.
so true TM so true
i remember asking Greg Miller why has his body still not developed as it should and the fool replied well his only young give him time. 5 years later Thursfield is still as developed as he was when he first arrived.
We have the worst team in terms of development in the AFL. Even GC and 1st year WC players have bigger bodies than our players.
1 Part time weights coach was it :banghead :banghead :banghead
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so much for everyone being bonded together and looking forward to playing finals as a group. ::) ::)
been known he wanted out for some time, after Gasper got shafted, Will's game dropped right off.
Are you serious dude ? That was bloody four years ago ! Maybe he wasn't happy at the time but being that he is a professional AFL footballer I think he would've gotten over the Gaspar thing in say... about 5 minutes
l hope you read the follow up post ;D
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thats why l always called Thursty - Floppy Jumper ;D But thats the fault of the development staff & RFC itself for not having the right people to lift him to the next level.
l got no doubt in my mind that he will do well at another club with renewed interest.
so true TM so true
i remember asking Greg Miller why has his body still not developed as it should and the fool replied well his only young give him time. 5 years later Thursfield is still as developed as he was when he first arrived.
We have the worst team in terms of development in the AFL. Even GC and 1st year WC players have bigger bodies than our players.
1 Part time weights coach was it :banghead :banghead :banghead
Exactly thats why our players are always on the ground. my comment on Rewoldt being peeweak back in 2008 was because his lower body strength was that of a 16 year old kid. He was so weak & easy pushed or blocked off the ball & when tackling was being carried down field holding on like a jockey, ;D thats why Popelord picked that post out & used it 2 years down the track to attack me :shh cause he couldnot do it back then when l said it. Anyone with 2 more years under their belt could make huge changes & he worked hard on his lower body strength which made him a better footballer.
But it will still take years to catch sides such as Carlton
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maybe l should have wrote that better Ol Smokey
he never had a grudge. l have known since August & did throw the bait out, but you missed my hook ;D l posted in August.
Anyway he looked upto Gasper as his mentor & was disappointed like other players when they told Darren to retire. Willy seemed to lose his way abit after that.
Of course injuries & bad coaching dont help anyone. Too much has happened down there to some players. l did say last season some were not happy & the poo would hit the fan with some wanting out. you can search back through my posts & see l have mentioned it.
just to mention players do get peeed off when some 1 year wonders get better contract offers than those who have been loyal & l will leave it there mate. :thumbsup
No worries TM, I had noticed your hints but wasn't too much up with who you might have been referring to. Going by the posts of those who have met Thursfield it would seem he is a great guy but I never warmed to him as a footballer. To me he just never got any better - he is much the same now in ability and output as he was in his early days, and we needed him to develop into a key defender. It just didn't happen and that's why I'm not sorry at all to see him go. I hope for his sake that he can rekindle his desire and find the path to success that eluded him at Richmond but I just don't see it in him to be honest. Given what you say about him dropping the ball a bit after Gaspar left and his publicised (but not disclosed) issues that kept him out of the side a year or two back, it seems like he is a high maintenance team member that is only serviceable at best. It's a no-brainer for me really - thanks and bye Will.
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so much for everyone being bonded together and looking forward to playing finals as a group. ::) ::)
been known he wanted out for some time, after Gasper got shafted, Will's game dropped right off.
Are you serious dude ? That was bloody four years ago ! Maybe he wasn't happy at the time but being that he is a professional AFL footballer I think he would've gotten over the Gaspar thing in say... about 5 minutes
Not only that, but Gaspar was dropped to give Thursfield more game time and responsibility
Would be pretty silly to be upset about that given that's now the reason he wants to leave
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the only issue i have with this is it was Thursfield and not Mcguane leaving.
Please mcguane follow suit you are not required at this football club.
yep agree if you were to delist players from worst downwards mcguane would go first. what hope both end up gone.
one aspect of thursfield game that is not mentioned very often i reckon hes soft.
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IF WE can find another 2 top 30 picks from somewhere then it will be a great bonus for us IMHO.
now this i agree with a pick around 15 and one in the twenties would be great to go with picks 6 and 29.all this talk of trading for players people have lost sight of the real deal that needs to be done any way we can.
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yep agree if you were to delist players from worst downwards mcguane would go first. what hope both end up gone.
Whether McGuane stays or goes is largely irrelevant.
Thursfield will fetch a decent pick(more than Luke) and is replaceable.
We won't improve unless we do better than both these players given their deficiencies so I could care less that Wil departs first.
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Seeya.
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one aspect of thursfield game that is not mentioned very often i reckon hes soft.
I don't know if you call it soft, but I notice a lot of times when Will was squashed in a pack, he'd always take a long time to get up.
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thats why l always called Thursty - Floppy Jumper ;D But thats the fault of the development staff & RFC itself for not having the right people to lift him to the next level.
l got no doubt in my mind that he will do well at another club with renewed interest.
so true TM so true
i remember asking Greg Miller why has his body still not developed as it should and the fool replied well his only young give him time. 5 years later Thursfield is still as developed as he was when he first arrived.
We have the worst team in terms of development in the AFL. Even GC and 1st year WC players have bigger bodies than our players.
1 Part time weights coach was it :banghead :banghead :banghead
Exactly thats why our players are always on the ground. my comment on Rewoldt being peeweak back in 2008 was because his lower body strength was that of a 16 year old kid. He was so weak & easy pushed or blocked off the ball & when tackling was being carried down field holding on like a jockey, ;D thats why Popelord picked that post out & used it 2 years down the track to attack me :shh cause he couldnot do it back then when l said it. Anyone with 2 more years under their belt could make huge changes & he worked hard on his lower body strength which made him a better footballer.
But it will still take years to catch sides such as Carlton
You had a go at a 19 year old KP player. Dumb, enough said.
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Shame to see Thursty go.
The talk on him not having enough build is irrelevant. He's done jobs before he thrashed Riewoldt in one of his first few games being light as a feather.
Dustin Fletcher isn't heavily built.
Storm in a tea cup this, a guy wants a change of scenery. No-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years, not a heap of competition at the club for a long time. All of a sudden it's very competitive and it's a good thing. Players will leave to find a home that's easier to get Senior games. For mine it's a good thing, if you want to play at Richmond you'll need to work extra hard. Hasn't been that way for a long time.
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Shame to see Thursty go.
The talk on him not having enough build is irrelevant. He's done jobs before he thrashed Riewoldt in one of his first few games being light as a feather.
Dustin Fletcher isn't heavily built.
Storm in a tea cup this, a guy wants a change of scenery. No-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years, not a heap of competition at the club for a long time. All of a sudden it's very competitive and it's a good thing. Players will leave to find a home that's easier to get Senior games. For mine it's a good thing, if you want to play at Richmond you'll need to work extra hard. Hasn't been that way for a long time.
:rollin no-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years. thats what you think :lol
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You had a go at a 19 year old KP player. Dumb, enough said.
Yep l sure did, gee he was some player back then :lol struggling to get a game in a very week side at that, he couldnot even push injured players out of the side like Richo & Brown on 1 leg each.
l'm happy he has worked hard & got rewarded but his not the best in the team.
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Shame to see Thursty go.
The talk on him not having enough build is irrelevant. He's done jobs before he thrashed Riewoldt in one of his first few games being light as a feather.
Dustin Fletcher isn't heavily built.
Storm in a tea cup this, a guy wants a change of scenery. No-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years, not a heap of competition at the club for a long time. All of a sudden it's very competitive and it's a good thing. Players will leave to find a home that's easier to get Senior games. For mine it's a good thing, if you want to play at Richmond you'll need to work extra hard. Hasn't been that way for a long time.
:rollin no-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years. thats what you think :lol
Who has quit the club since Ottens 01?
Its been the easiest club to get a game at for the past 25 years. Good pay check with not a heap of work compared to other clubs. Now it is, Thursty is a good player and might be worried about not being able to play a game next year with Gourdis and Astbury. Along with Moore and McGuane. He's most likely want a new scenery with an easier environment with less work and less competition.
If he wants out cause he's upset over his mentour being pushed out by a regime 5 years ago and who is no longer there, and in the most potentially exciting time at the club than he is a idiot.
He wants a different environment with less competition, he's made that decision over working harder at RFC.
It's sad cause Thursty is a super bloke.
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The talk on him not having enough build is irrelevant. He's done jobs before he thrashed Riewoldt in one of his first few games being light as a feather.
Dustin Fletcher isn't heavily built.
Pope fly weight is one thing...
bantom weight is another. It's like kostya tsu or ricky hatten vs vic darchinyan :lol
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You had a go at a 19 year old KP player. Dumb, enough said.
Yep l sure did, gee he was some player back then :lol struggling to get a game in a very week side at that, he couldnot even push injured players out of the side like Richo & Brown on 1 leg each.
l'm happy he has worked hard & got rewarded but his not the best in the team.
Yeah Jack Watts isn't a super star yet, delist him.
Butcher hasn't debuted, delist him.
Maybe wait post 20 years old before slagging off a KP kid. Because the next one might just turn around and win a Coleman medal before 22 years old and make you look like an idiot. Oh wait, that already happened.
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The talk on him not having enough build is irrelevant. He's done jobs before he thrashed Riewoldt in one of his first few games being light as a feather.
Dustin Fletcher isn't heavily built.
Pope fly weight is one thing...
bantom weight is another. It's like kostya tsu or ricky hatten vs vic darchinyan :lol
Dustin in 93 GF taking on Kernahan was built like a water bottle? Wasnt he lol?
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You had a go at a 19 year old KP player. Dumb, enough said.
Yep l sure did, gee he was some player back then :lol struggling to get a game in a very week side at that, he couldnot even push injured players out of the side like Richo & Brown on 1 leg each.
l'm happy he has worked hard & got rewarded but his not the best in the team.
butcher was playing 3rds then had 20+ week back injury
in worse shape than griffiths
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You had a go at a 19 year old KP player. Dumb, enough said.
Yep l sure did, gee he was some player back then :lol struggling to get a game in a very week side at that, he couldnot even push injured players out of the side like Richo & Brown on 1 leg each.
l'm happy he has worked hard & got rewarded but his not the best in the team.
butcher was playing 3rds then had 20+ week back injury
in worse shape than griffiths
Lol Can of worms this.
Ge glad we took Martin instead of Butcher lol.
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Ottens left after the 2004 season to play at Geelong in 2005, so only 6 years ago
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You had a go at a 19 year old KP player. Dumb, enough said.
Yep l sure did, gee he was some player back then :lol struggling to get a game in a very week side at that, he couldnot even push injured players out of the side like Richo & Brown on 1 leg each.
l'm happy he has worked hard & got rewarded but his not the best in the team.
butcher was playing 3rds then had 20+ week back injury
in worse shape than griffiths
Excuse me Butcher played the last 6-7 rounds out in the SANFL & will be ready for 2011. Griffiths was a known risk & has been at the club 1 year & been injured 2 times already so prey his operation has stregthened them wings cause his gonna get hit from behind like that 50 times a year. Pity cause his got some talent
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Ottens left after the 2004 season to play at Geelong in 2005, so only 6 years ago
That blew the 9 years apart by 3 years oh gobsmacked again Popelord :shh
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Shame to see Thursty go.
The talk on him not having enough build is irrelevant. He's done jobs before he thrashed Riewoldt in one of his first few games being light as a feather.
Dustin Fletcher isn't heavily built.
Storm in a tea cup this, a guy wants a change of scenery. No-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years, not a heap of competition at the club for a long time. All of a sudden it's very competitive and it's a good thing. Players will leave to find a home that's easier to get Senior games. For mine it's a good thing, if you want to play at Richmond you'll need to work extra hard. Hasn't been that way for a long time.
:rollin no-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years. thats what you think :lol
Who has quit the club since Ottens 01?
Its been the easiest club to get a game at for the past 25 years. Good pay check with not a heap of work compared to other clubs. Now it is, Thursty is a good player and might be worried about not being able to play a game next year with Gourdis and Astbury. Along with Moore and McGuane. He's most likely want a new scenery with an easier environment with less work and less competition.
If he wants out cause he's upset over his mentour being pushed out by a regime 5 years ago and who is no longer there, and in the most potentially exciting time at the club than he is a idiot.
He wants a different environment with less competition, he's made that decision over working harder at RFC.
It's sad cause Thursty is a super bloke.
who said he wants out because of his mentor, l already said thats not the case with him
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:rollin no-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years. thats what you think :lol
If this is true, which I kind of think it is likely that it is, then this is more of a worry than players actually leaving.
I can only think that if players have wanted to leave, a fair few of these may have stayed because they worked out that either they weren't wanted elsewhere or they would have even less opportunity at other teams.
Our fringe players are hardly ever targeted by other teams and, even when they do put their names up for trade, are often delisted, remain at the club or are traded for pick 10034 which we are happy to take and feel we have won.
Id far prefer to see players leave and us getting something of value. Hopefully this might begin to occur in the future.
Perhaps Will is a sign of things to come and I wait with interest to see what we can get for him because he is the best player we have put up for trade in a long time. Admittedly though, taken in the context of the competition, he is simply an average player.
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I find this very fustrating.
I always thought the reason former All Australian defenders Gasper and Andy Kellaway were "tapped on the shoulder" was to "pump" games into players like Will....Now after 67 games -Will wants out.
He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Hopefully we get a decent trade/pick for Will and this turns out to be a win/win situation.
i remember fev kicking about 9 goals on him at the MCG which was painful.
for a 24 year old kpp he is too light - dustin martinis more kg than thursty
He doesn't seem as manly if you call him dustin martini
dOES "Bustin' Dustin" work for u ?
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I find this very fustrating.
I always thought the reason former All Australian defenders Gasper and Andy Kellaway were "tapped on the shoulder" was to "pump" games into players like Will....Now after 67 games -Will wants out.
He may a "one trick pony" but I still think he is the best stopper we have.It also pains me to think of Luke McGuane coughing up goals in 2011.
Hopefully we get a decent trade/pick for Will and this turns out to be a win/win situation.
i remember fev kicking about 9 goals on him at the MCG which was painful.
for a 24 year old kpp he is too light - dustin martinis more kg than thursty
He doesn't seem as manly if you call him dustin martini
dOES "Bustin' Dustin" work for u ?
Seems like he really needs to take a pee if that's his name ;D
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lol.
Bladder.
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I rate Will as a good negating defender, but am not sold on his decision making when he does get the ball. Still, I reckon he has some upside and at the right club he could add depth if not slot right into the side.
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Shame to see Thursty go.
The talk on him not having enough build is irrelevant. He's done jobs before he thrashed Riewoldt in one of his first few games being light as a feather.
Dustin Fletcher isn't heavily built.
Storm in a tea cup this, a guy wants a change of scenery. No-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years, not a heap of competition at the club for a long time. All of a sudden it's very competitive and it's a good thing. Players will leave to find a home that's easier to get Senior games. For mine it's a good thing, if you want to play at Richmond you'll need to work extra hard. Hasn't been that way for a long time.
:rollin no-one has wanted out of Richmond for 9 years. thats what you think :lol
Who has quit the club since Ottens 01?
Its been the easiest club to get a game at for the past 25 years. Good pay check with not a heap of work compared to other clubs. Now it is, Thursty is a good player and might be worried about not being able to play a game next year with Gourdis and Astbury. Along with Moore and McGuane. He's most likely want a new scenery with an easier environment with less work and less competition.
If he wants out cause he's upset over his mentour being pushed out by a regime 5 years ago and who is no longer there, and in the most potentially exciting time at the club than he is a idiot.
He wants a different environment with less competition, he's made that decision over working harder at RFC.
It's sad cause Thursty is a super bloke.
His mentor was darren Gaspar ;)
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Greg Denham on KB's show said a number of clubs are interested in Thursty. He mentioned Hawthorn being interested and them needing a tall back.
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Blues CEO Greg Swann said the Blues would like to find a key back and KB suggested Thursfield in perhaps a swap for Grigg. Swann said nup then said Thursfield is off to Freo.
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Blues CEO Greg Swann said the Blues would like to find a key back and KB suggested Thursfield in perhaps a swap for Grigg. Swann said nup then said Thursfield is off to Freo.
We must be getting Tarrant. ;D
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Blues CEO Greg Swann said the Blues would like to find a key back and KB suggested Thursfield in perhaps a swap for Grigg. Swann said nup then said Thursfield is off to Freo.
We must be getting Tarrant. ;D
Sh|t stirrer
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Blues CEO Greg Swann said the Blues would like to find a key back and KB suggested Thursfield in perhaps a swap for Grigg. Swann said nup then said Thursfield is off to Freo.
Thursty to Freo hey? Good luck to him.
What do we get?
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First rounder please. ;D
Or maybe 2nd rounder and Zac Clarke?
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Thursty to Freo
Tarrant to Pies
Pies Pick to Richmond
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Thursty to Freo
Tarrant to Pies
Pies Pick to Richmond
Yeah but which pick Gerkin ?
You'd want their first round pick I reckon ;D
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Thursty to Freo
Tarrant to Pies
Pies Pick to Richmond
Trading with the Pies is frought with frustration. Knowing the Pies they would be offering a 5th rounder.
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can we package mcguane for nothing in any sort of deal we do. roll up roll up two for the price of one lets just hope the punters dont realise neither is that crash hot.
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From today's Australian....
After 67 games, including 14 this year, Thursfield has attracted the interest of several clubs after deciding he too needed to seek better opportunities elsewhere.
He met Fremantle coach Mark Harvey in Perth yesterday.
Harvey is keen to add another key defender following Chris Tarrant's decision to return to Melbourne after four seasons with the Dockers. Tarrant wants to rejoin Collingwood and will talk to the Magpies next week before entertaining any other offers, particularly from Carlton.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/rebuilding-of-richmond-enters-next-phase-under-coach-damian-hardwick/story-e6frg7mf-1225933015173
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I just finished re-watching he RFC vs Freo game. Thursty played a really good game. I'm not surprised Harvey is interested. :)
Also, after watching that game, anyone who want's to get rid of Connors at this stage of his development needs to have their head read. ;D
That is all. :thumbsup
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Also, after watching that game, anyone who want's to get rid of Connors at this stage of his development needs to have their head read. ;D
I'm waiting WP......................................................
:P
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Thursty to Freo
Tarrant to Pies
Pies Pick to Richmond
Trading with the Pies is frought with frustration. Knowing the Pies they would be offering a 5th rounder.
What he said! And we should never be trading with them ridiculous pricks anyway, they have dross running round looking half decent in Sulkhouses well drilled plan but once you extract them from it they will be exposed for the frauds they are.
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Yep, they overestimate their crap players and would demand a first or second round pick for them.
If we enquired now about Rusling just for the purpose of this exercise Collingwood would say he is a first or second rounder even though he has been delisted.
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Also, after watching that game, anyone who want's to get rid of Connors at this stage of his development needs to have their head read. ;D
I'm waiting WP......................................................
:P
No comment - I have said it all before
But if anyone thinks squibbbing kicks in the final qtr that is picked up by the opposition who then rebounded in theit F50 when the game is in the balance or perhaps continually kicking the ball 50 metres straight to the opposition is what we need then I must need my head read ;D
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I would trade Daniel Connors if the right trade was done, NO HESITATION whats so ever.
Why ?
As I believe he hasnt the right work ethic or mental toughness to play finals footy.
Would swap him for a Everitt type of player etc
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Everyone has the right to an opinion, bit Everitt is just no where near Connors.
Played his most consitant year and was a match winner on occasions.
In my book, wouldnt be tradeing him unless we got an A grade player or pick.
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I would trade Daniel Connors if the right trade was done, NO HESITATION whats so ever.
Why ?
As I believe he hasnt the right work ethic or mental toughness to play finals footy.
Would swap him for a Everitt type of player etc
I actually agree with you on this re trading Connors.
Not so sure I'd do it for Everitt though.
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An Everitt type, just used him as an example, that kid can play though
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An Everitt type, just used him as an example, that kid can play though
Type maybe. Not so convinced on Everitt's ethic either.
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Will Thursfield (Richmond): Any club for the right price.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-week-off-to-sluggish-start-after-day-one/story-e6frf9jf-1225934576871)
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Will Thursfield (Richmond): Any club for the right price.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-week-off-to-sluggish-start-after-day-one/story-e6frf9jf-1225934576871)
Well Will, wake up and smell the roses now mate, you wanted to walk....good luck in the draft..because I dont think you are worth that much now, not after seeing the players getting offered around.
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A bit more from the Herald-Sun here...
Will Thursfield's most likely destination is Fremantle if he leaves.
"He has been to Perth and spoken to them, so we'll wait and see," Cameron said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-keen-to-lure-richard-tambling/story-e6frf9jf-1225934567062
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Seems as though all the McGuane and Rance talk was just that - talk. Thursfield is the only key defender mentioned anywhere...
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Wallace said the Hawks have shown interest in Thursty the past couple of years but Hutchy reckons the Hawks are chasing Goldsack. The Hawks have only said they are chasing a third player who is a defender along with Hale and Hill.
Plough also said McGuane's name only gets thrown up because he is originally from the Gold Coast.
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Any trade if it happens that involves Thursty look like it will happen on the last day of trade week. If he's off to Freo then we'll have to wait until Tarrant is traded. Collingwood are the new Essendon and are pains in the behind during trade week demanding ridiculous trades.
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Any trade if it happens that involves Thursty look like it will happen on the last day of trade week. If he's off to Freo then we'll have to wait until Tarrant is traded. Collingwood are the new Essendon and are pains in the behind during trade week demanding ridiculous trades.
So Collingwood are the new Collingwood then?
They never get trades done as they are always being ridiculous with their demands
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gee i hope the Pies take tarrant as that will increase Thursfield's currency with Freo.
Freo can take Thursfield and in return we can take the Pies first round draft pick and Freo can have Anthony :thumbsup
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If we can move on Tambling AND Thursfield for picks in the same window - two players who are middle of the road at best - then this will be a fantastic week.
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gee i hope the Pies take tarrant as that will increase Thursfield's currency with Freo.
Freo can take Thursfield and in return we can take the Pies first round draft pick and Freo can have Anthony :thumbsup
Three first rounders in a compromised draft could be the acorns that grow into the giant oak tree. :cheers
Can be done. Tigers make it happen. :thumbsup
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Any trade if it happens that involves Thursty look like it will happen on the last day of trade week. If he's off to Freo then we'll have to wait until Tarrant is traded. Collingwood are the new Essendon and are pains in the behind during trade week demanding ridiculous trades.
So Collingwood are the new Collingwood then?
They never get trades done as they are always being ridiculous with their demands
LOL true Infamy about Pies. It's just in the past Collingwood would make ridiculous demands early on, the other clubs would laugh at them, go and work with someone else and then just ignore the Pies for the rest of trade week. Essendon under Sheeds on the other hand would deliberately hold up trade week by sticking their nose in potential trades which depended on other trades which they had no real interest in just to squeeze something out of the situation that was heavily in their favour. They would hold off and force potential trades to the last hour so other clubs under pressure to get a deal done before the deadline would agree to anything. In Sheeds' final years no other club wanted to deal with them because they got sick of Essendon playing games for the whole of trade week.
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gee i hope the Pies take tarrant as that will increase Thursfield's currency with Freo.
Freo can take Thursfield and in return we can take the Pies first round draft pick and Freo can have Anthony :thumbsup
Three first rounders in a compromised draft could be the acorns that grow into the giant oak tree. :cheers
Can be done. Tigers make it happen. :thumbsup
So
Pies: Tarrant for pick 25 + Anthony
Freo: Thursty + Anthony for Tarrant
Richmond: pick 25 for Thursty
That's great for us (where do we sign ;D ) but not sure if the other two would go for it totally. We probably would have to throw in a later pick in there to make it work.
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gee i hope the Pies take tarrant as that will increase Thursfield's currency with Freo.
Freo can take Thursfield and in return we can take the Pies first round draft pick and Freo can have Anthony :thumbsup
Three first rounders in a compromised draft could be the acorns that grow into the giant oak tree. :cheers
Can be done. Tigers make it happen. :thumbsup
So
Pies: Tarrant for pick 25 + Anthony
Freo: Thursty + Anthony for Tarrant
Richmond: pick 25 for Thursty
That's great for us (where do we sign ;D ) but not sure if the other two would go for it totally. We probably would have to throw in a later pick in there to make it work.
Unfortunately it's being reported that the Pies pick 25 is going to GC for Andy Krak.
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Richmond defender Will Thursfield yesterday moved a step closer to kick-starting his career with Fremantle. Thursfield, who is contracted for another year at Punt Road, met Fremantle coach Mark Harvey last week and is keen to make the move west.
It is believed the Tigers would accept a second-round national draft pick, at this stage in the high 40s, in return.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/andrew-krakouer-handed-lifeline-to-collingwood-magpies/story-e6frg7mf-1225935131133
Currently Freo have pick 38 in the 2nd round but with all the compo picks used that'll be pushed out to around 46 or so.
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It is believed the Tigers would accept a second-round national draft pick, at this stage in the high 40s, in return.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/andrew-krakouer-handed-lifeline-to-collingwood-magpies/story-e6frg7mf-1225935131133
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C'mon Tiges I think we can do better than that >:(
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What is the Hawk's 2nd rounder?
Surely Dimma can grease a few of his old mates?
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What is the Hawk's 2nd rounder?
Surely Dimma can grease a few of his old mates?
1 pick before Freo.
Here's an idea. What if Collingwood trade their Fraser compensation pick, which will be either the same as the Bock one or the same as the Nathan Krak one (straight after the club's 2nd round selection) for Tarrant. Freo could then trade that pick for Thursfield.
The one question I have is, if it's the same compensation as the Nathan Krak pick, would we get the compensation pick that Collingwood would have received, or would the "straight after the club's 2nd round selection" shift to our pick?
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I'd rather bundle Thursfield with a pick to try and move up the draft order
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Trade Week radio saying interest in Thursfield in the last hour. No details except they mentioned Freo and Hawthorn which we already knew about.
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
I must admit, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't get Pelchen
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
I must admit, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't get Pelchen
absolutely, prick got lucky with North taking it up the clacka dry years ago and has been living off it ever since, is ridiculously difficult to deal with and not in a positive way for the hawks, other teams dislike him and play hardball
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Freo's discussions with Richmond (Will Thursfield) and Collingwood (Chris Tarrant) have held up proceedings ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103861/default.aspx
Sounds like any trade involving Thursty will be late in the trade week if there's a stand-off.
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
I must admit, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't get Pelchen
absolutely, prick got lucky with North taking it up the clacka dry years ago and has been living off it ever since, is ridiculously difficult to deal with and not in a positive way for the hawks, other teams dislike him and play hardball
Pelchen had nothing to do with the Nathan Thompson trade for #10 & #26 as he didn't get to the club until 2005
He did to the Jonathan Hay trade for pick #18 & Nathan Lonie to Port Adelaide for #14 which were both daylight robbery but all clubs have wised up after trades like this
Since then he's done nothing special, traded away Spida Everitt for a 2nd rounder which was pretty much expected, nothing for 2 years then traded away their first 2 rounds of picks plus Mark Williams in 2009 for Burgoyne & Gibson.
His only decent draft early selection since arriving in 2005 was Cyril Rioli.
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
I must admit, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't get Pelchen
absolutely, prick got lucky with North taking it up the clacka dry years ago and has been living off it ever since, is ridiculously difficult to deal with and not in a positive way for the hawks, other teams dislike him and play hardball
Pelchen had nothing to do with the Nathan Thompson trade for #10 & #26 as he didn't get to the club until 2005
He did to the Jonathan Hay trade for pick #18 & Nathan Lonie to Port Adelaide for #14 which were both daylight robbery but all clubs have wised up after trades like this
Since then he's done nothing special, traded away Spida Everitt for a 2nd rounder which was pretty much expected, nothing for 2 years then traded away their first 2 rounds of picks plus Mark Williams in 2009 for Burgoyne & Gibson.
His only decent draft early selection since arriving in 2005 was Cyril Rioli.
yeah my bad meant the hay trade
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Thursfield to Freo will be sorted out on the weekend on done on the final day.
http://twitter.com/InsideTradeGuru
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Thursfield to Freo will be sorted out on the weekend on done on the final day.
http://twitter.com/InsideTradeGuru
Hrmm whats the most likely pick for us if freo take him?
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Thursfield to Freo will be sorted out on the weekend on done on the final day.
http://twitter.com/InsideTradeGuru
Hrmm whats the most likely pick for us if freo take him?
The papers yesterday said Freo's 2nd round pick which around the 38-46 mark depending on how many clubs use their compo picks.
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Thursfield to Freo will be sorted out on the weekend on done on the final day.
http://twitter.com/InsideTradeGuru
Hrmm whats the most likely pick for us if freo take him?
The papers yesterday said Freo's 2nd round pick which around the 38-46 mark depending on how many clubs use their compo picks.
I would "SO" take that!
I think that would be a steal for us!
Take it Richmond!
Thursfield (who I still would have) is a 4th-8th Round Pick, IMO!
:pray
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Thursfield to Freo will be sorted out on the weekend on done on the final day.
http://twitter.com/InsideTradeGuru
Hrmm whats the most likely pick for us if freo take him?
The papers yesterday said Freo's 2nd round pick which around the 38-46 mark depending on how many clubs use their compo picks.
If that is the case so be it. Was hoping for something in the 30's but with the compromised draft I guess we still get something. I'm hoping it is closer to 38.
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Contracted Richmond defender Will Thursfield will remain with the Tigers after Fremantle dropped its interest.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/blues-tigers-swap-grigg-collins/story-e6frg7mf-1225936186345
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Weird that the Australian is reporting this but none of the other rags have a sniff of it or the twitter twits. This and the Collins buzz. Wonder if it is just a poo buzz. Hope both are lol.
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Contracted Richmond defender Will Thursfield will remain with the Tigers after Fremantle dropped its interest.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/blues-tigers-swap-grigg-collins/story-e6frg7mf-1225936186345
What happened?
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
I must admit, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't get Pelchen
your kidding right. pelchen or cameron i know who id take.
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
I must admit, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't get Pelchen
absolutely, prick got lucky with North taking it up the clacka dry years ago and has been living off it ever since, is ridiculously difficult to deal with and not in a positive way for the hawks, other teams dislike him and play hardball
Pelchen had nothing to do with the Nathan Thompson trade for #10 & #26 as he didn't get to the club until 2005
He did to the Jonathan Hay trade for pick #18 & Nathan Lonie to Port Adelaide for #14 which were both daylight robbery but all clubs have wised up after trades like this
Since then he's done nothing special, traded away Spida Everitt for a 2nd rounder which was pretty much expected, nothing for 2 years then traded away their first 2 rounds of picks plus Mark Williams in 2009 for Burgoyne & Gibson.
His only decent draft early selection since arriving in 2005 was Cyril Rioli.
you do realise pelchen is not a recruiting manager.
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Pelchen just said in regards to Thursfield, Hawthorn have decided not to go down that path. So the Hawks are out.
I must admit, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm very glad we didn't get Pelchen
absolutely, prick got lucky with North taking it up the clacka dry years ago and has been living off it ever since, is ridiculously difficult to deal with and not in a positive way for the hawks, other teams dislike him and play hardball
Pelchen had nothing to do with the Nathan Thompson trade for #10 & #26 as he didn't get to the club until 2005
He did to the Jonathan Hay trade for pick #18 & Nathan Lonie to Port Adelaide for #14 which were both daylight robbery but all clubs have wised up after trades like this
Since then he's done nothing special, traded away Spida Everitt for a 2nd rounder which was pretty much expected, nothing for 2 years then traded away their first 2 rounds of picks plus Mark Williams in 2009 for Burgoyne & Gibson.
His only decent draft early selection since arriving in 2005 was Cyril Rioli.
you do realise pelchen is not a recruiting manager.
Hawks have been rooted in the Gibson and Hale deals. What are you on about?
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Richmond football manager Craig Cameron says unhappy Tiger Will Thursfield appears likely to remain at Punt Rd next year.
"I don't think anything will happen with Will," Cameron said. "He is still contracted."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-tarrant-in-limbo/story-fn69a32t-1225936468808
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Thursty to Freo
Tarrant to Pies
Pies Pick to Richmond
Trading with the Pies is frought with frustration. Knowing the Pies they would be offering a 5th rounder.
Spot on, the Pies are a crap group to trade with. Generally dodge them
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Feel sorry for Thursty in a way. With others ahead of him on our list he's now likely to spend the whole of 2011 at Coburg just waiting to be delisted at the end of next year. A shame we couldn't get some trade done even if it only meant an upgrade of a late pick.
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nah who knows MT, it might motivate him to put on 3kgs, get super fit over summer and announce to the young guys "if you want my spot you've got to take it from me"
with the knowledge that he needs to pull a year off the top shelf or it will most definitely be his last, i expect him to respond – at least have a real crack – i expect that from his character
stranger things have happened, like 1965 asking me out on a date, i didn't expect that but there you go, what a nice chap he turned out to be
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Will should spend the start of the season at Coburg as i don't see him in our best 22. However, with poor form and injuries undoubtedly arising at some stage he will get a chance to prove that he can still be a part of our future. I think Will is consistent... the problem is he is consistently mediocre, but maybe like Tuck last season he can respond from a situation where he thought he was gone and significantly improve on his deficiencies (size, decision making, skills).
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Agree with Gerkin Greg. Will is a good spoiler and is a good user of the ball when he is on song. Hope he has a really good year next year
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Feel sorry for Thursty in a way. With others ahead of him on our list he's now likely to spend the whole of 2011 at Coburg just waiting to be delisted at the end of next year. A shame we couldn't get some trade done even if it only meant an upgrade of a late pick.
Not necessarily
For any player on the RFC list i have 2 words that should be enough motivation to put your bum down work hard and turn your career around..
SHANE TUCK
12 months ago we said the same about Tucky and look at what he did in 2010
Will like a few others is in the same situation as Tucky was 12 months - too a large degree it's up to Will
And for those who will say "oh what about Jordie" - another good example of if you don't try and turn things around you will end up like Joride ;D
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For any player on the RFC list i have 2 words that should be enough motivation to put your bum down work hard and turn your career around..
SHANE TUCK
12 months ago we said the same about Tucky and look at what he did in 2010
Will like a few others is in the same situation as Tucky was 12 months - too a large degree it's up to Will
And for those who will say "oh what about Jordie" - another good example of if you don't try and turn things around you will end up like Jordie ;D
Jake King is another you could use to reinforce your point WP.
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Feel sorry for Thursty in a way. With others ahead of him on our list he's now likely to spend the whole of 2011 at Coburg just waiting to be delisted at the end of next year. A shame we couldn't get some trade done even if it only meant an upgrade of a late pick.
Not necessarily
For any player on the RFC list i have 2 words that should be enough motivation to put your bum down work hard and turn your career around..
SHANE TUCK
12 months ago we said the same about Tucky and look at what he did in 2010
Will like a few others is in the same situation as Tucky was 12 months - too a large degree it's up to Will
And for those who will say "oh what about Jordie" - another good example of if you don't try and turn things around you will end up like Joride ;D
yeah spot on, if Wil went gym junkie crazy and put on 5-6kg over the summer he'd be our number 1 option at FB next year. Ball in his court
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Feel sorry for Thursty in a way. With others ahead of him on our list he's now likely to spend the whole of 2011 at Coburg just waiting to be delisted at the end of next year. A shame we couldn't get some trade done even if it only meant an upgrade of a late pick.
Not necessarily
For any player on the RFC list i have 2 words that should be enough motivation to put your bum down work hard and turn your career around..
SHANE TUCK
12 months ago we said the same about Tucky and look at what he did in 2010
Will like a few others is in the same situation as Tucky was 12 months - too a large degree it's up to Will
And for those who will say "oh what about Jordie" - another good example of if you don't try and turn things around you will end up like Joride ;D
hey wp, they are not 2 words but one name and surname lol
hahahahah :cheers :cheers :cheers
just stirring
but re will thats his problem, he has no will, no desire
facts are he is no good
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Good call Smokie and William
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Feel sorry for Thursty in a way. With others ahead of him on our list he's now likely to spend the whole of 2011 at Coburg just waiting to be delisted at the end of next year. A shame we couldn't get some trade done even if it only meant an upgrade of a late pick.
Not necessarily
For any player on the RFC list i have 2 words that should be enough motivation to put your bum down work hard and turn your career around..
SHANE TUCK
12 months ago we said the same about Tucky and look at what he did in 2010
Will like a few others is in the same situation as Tucky was 12 months - too a large degree it's up to Will
And for those who will say "oh what about Jordie" - another good example of if you don't try and turn things around you will end up like Joride ;D
I think Tucky was in a more fortunate situation this year than Thursty will be next year. Our midfield lacked and still lacks depth and mature bodies so although Tucky was ignored initially by Dimma in favour of kids, a spot and need opened up for Tucky. On the other hand we have quite a few tall defenders on our list so Will's chance of getting an opportunity is fairly slim to non-existent next year. There won't be a spot opening up for him in the seniors unless by some major bad luck four of our talls go down. Thursty was already surplus to our needs this year whereas when Tuck was put on the trade table at the end of 2009 he still was very much part of our 22. The problem we have in trade week is other clubs simply don't rate our players outside the handful of untouchables.
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Feel sorry for Thursty in a way. With others ahead of him on our list he's now likely to spend the whole of 2011 at Coburg just waiting to be delisted at the end of next year. A shame we couldn't get some trade done even if it only meant an upgrade of a late pick.
Not necessarily
For any player on the RFC list i have 2 words that should be enough motivation to put your bum down work hard and turn your career around..
SHANE TUCK
12 months ago we said the same about Tucky and look at what he did in 2010
Will like a few others is in the same situation as Tucky was 12 months - too a large degree it's up to Will
And for those who will say "oh what about Jordie" - another good example of if you don't try and turn things around you will end up like Joride ;D
I think Tucky was in a more fortunate situation this year than Thursty will be next year. Our midfield lacked and still lacks depth and mature bodies so although Tucky was ignored initially by Dimma in favour of kids, a spot and need opened up for Tucky. On the other hand we have quite a few tall defenders on our list so Will's chance of getting an opportunity is fairly slim to non-existent next year. There won't be a spot opening up for him in the seniors unless by some major bad luck four of our talls go down. Thursty was already surplus to our needs this year whereas when Tuck was put on the trade table at the end of 2009 he still was very much part of our 22. The problem we have in trade week is other clubs simply don't rate our players outside the handful of untouchables.
Which is why it was absolutely ridiculous to even consider our getting a 2nd round pick for players like McGuane and Thursty.
Foolhardy stuff, just nonsensical thinking. :nope
When the club has finished bottom 3 more than half the past decade, it is hard to think of too many players other clubs would want besides the obvious 4.
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Will be in the gun next year no doubt. Needs to work twice as hard to keep his AFL career alive.
Hardwick will do him no favours.
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If anybody has contact with Will, tell him to become Dusty's training partner. Apparently Dusty has been in the gym every day working on his core strength and tonight his muscles. Handcuff Thursty to him.
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If anybody has contact with Will, tell him to become Dusty's training partner. Apparently Dusty has been in the gym every day working on his core strength and tonight his muscles. Handcuff Thursty to him.
as if will has no will or desire they should have traded him for peanuts
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Apparently Dusty has been in the gym every day working on his core strength and tonight his muscles.
As long as Cotch from personal experience reminds Dusty to not go too hard too early so he doesn't suffer an injury :pray.
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Will be in the gun next year no doubt. Needs to work twice as hard to keep his AFL career alive.
Hardwick will do him no favours.
He now must realise that he isn't a required player anyware...... that should make him wake up, surely. I would expect a big year out of Will next year or it off to McDonalds as chief lettuce slicer for all I care...
Dead right....no favours from anyone..
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will wont wake up
he will just sook and sulk
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Lumped with him. :P
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Looks like Thursty may have played his last game for Richmond. Grimes is now clearly seen ahead of Thursty by the coaching staff and match committee.
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Looks like Thursty may have played his last game for Richmond. Grimes is now clearly seen ahead of Thursty by the coaching staff and match committee.
Wouldnt think they would play Grimes this week either
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Looks like Thursty may have played his last game for Richmond. Grimes is now clearly seen ahead of Thursty by the coaching staff and match committee.
I reckon you're jumping the gun a bit there MT
Let's wait and see if Grimes plays. Also. I don't think North have huge forwards hence why Grimes maybe preferred as he is more mobile than Will
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Looks like Thursty may have played his last game for Richmond. Grimes is now clearly seen ahead of Thursty by the coaching staff and match committee.
Wouldnt think they would play Grimes this week either
With two talls already dropped it's hard to see another one get the chop as well given North will at times have Petrie, Hansen and Goldstein (when resting) all up forward.
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North will at times have Petrie, Hansen and Goldstein (when resting) all up forward.
See I told you they dind't have much up forward
Hansen is playing like a spud - Harvey said so :rollin
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North will at times have Petrie, Hansen and Goldstein (when resting) all up forward.
See I told you they dind't have much up forward
Hansen is playing like a spud - Harvey said so :rollin
True :lol
But we can't take things for granted. We have a history of spuds having a day out against us and us making them look like champions :scream.
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At least Hardwick can spot a dud when he sees one.
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Interesting really isn't it, I thought he played ok against the Pies...oh well pitty we couldn't trade him.
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Interesting really isn't it, I thought he played ok against the Pies...oh well pitty we couldn't trade him.
It seems only Freo showed an initialy passing interest in Thursty and presumably they were only interested if they could get him on the cheap giving up no picks.
Grimes survives in the our 22 so he must now be ahead of Thursty in the pecking order which probably spells the end for Will at Punt Rd at the end of the season. Sad as before he did his knee on the night he was beating Jack's cousin, he was seen as becoming our future full-back. The game changed as well and key defenders needed to be attacking rebounders as well as pure defensive spoilers and that wasn't Thursty's game.
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thurstys problem is that he cant or wont push forward of the ball.. thus he it out of the team
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thurstys problem is that he cant or wont push forward of the ball.. thus he it out of the team
It's a pity he is unable to add it to his game because he's quite a good user of the pill. I'd rather have him kicking it than Rance or bloody McGuane
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Will's got a black eye...
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