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Title: Hands in the back rule
Post by: one-eyed on May 27, 2007, 05:02:15 AM
Richo says push rule is 'pathetic'
Rohan Connolly and Stathi Paxinos | May 27, 2007 | The Age

RICHMOND veteran Matthew Richardson last night slammed the push in the back rule as "pathetic" after being penalised in the dying minutes of the Tigers' heartbreaking loss to Essendon at the MCG last night.

With scores level on 84 points, Richardson appeared to mark the ball behind Essendon defender Mal Michael. He played on and kicked what might have been the winning goal for the Tigers but was penalised by umpire Brett Allen for a push in the back and, to add insult to injury, was then given a 50-metre penalty for playing on.

"It's spoiling the contest between to guys going for the mark," an emotional Richardson said on radio 3AW after the match. "I don't think it's in the spirit of the game."

Richardson declined to comment further but faces AFL sanctions for criticising this year's controversial new interpretation of the push in the back rule.

After Richardson's disallowed goal, Bombers Jason Johnson and Bachar Houli scored behinds and their captain Matthew Lloyd goaled after the siren to score a dramatic eight-point victory over the winless Tigers.

Richardson, who kicked four goals, had defied the odds to even line up last night after having sustained a fractured eye socket, a broken nose and a lacerated forehead last week when teammate Andrew Krakouer accidentally kicked him in the face during the loss to Port Adelaide.

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/push-rule-is-pathetic/2007/05/27/1179601748219.html
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: one-eyed on May 27, 2007, 05:04:08 AM
Richardson slams rule after cruel loss
27 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Jackie Epstein

 RICHMOND forward Matthew Richardson launched a scathing attack on the hands in the back rule after last night's heartbreaking eight-point loss to Essendon.

Livid after he was denied what he thought was a match-winning goal, Richardson called for the rule to be scrapped after the umpire disallowed a mark in the dying minutes.

He played on and celebrated what would have been his fifth goal, but was penalised and received a 50m penalty after remonstrating with the umpire.

The incident overshadowed what had been a remarkable performance after last week's injury when he suffered two breaks to an eye socket, a broken nose and 13 stitches.

Richmond fans were incensed at the loss and security staff had to restrain one spectator after the final siren when he tried to run onto the ground at the Punt Rd end.

"It's disappointing to say the least," Richardson told 3AW.

"I probably haven't been that disappointed after a game in my whole career. I nearly lost it. I've been playing footy for 15 years and in any other year it's a mark. I think it's a pathetic rule.

"I think it's spoiling the contest. It's not in the spirit of how the game's played and I think the crowd like seeing two bigger guys going for a mark.

"You nearly saw someone completely flip out. It would have been a good spectacle."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21801383%255E20322,00.html
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on May 27, 2007, 08:26:44 AM
What a joke.  If Richo gets fine, it's even a bigger joke.  The AFL need to have a good look at themselves.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: Stephanie on May 27, 2007, 08:32:20 AM
We got stooged and now Richo is going to get punished, that is pathetic!

 :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: bluey_21 on May 27, 2007, 10:27:29 AM
LMFAO if Richo gets fined  :banghead
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 27, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
Yeah Richo's in trouble.

Look at Johnson since he gave the umpires a whack he just has to put a fingernail on a bloke and it's a free. :shh
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: Fishfinger on May 27, 2007, 10:54:51 AM
Richo hasn't commented on the umpires, only the rule.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on May 27, 2007, 11:41:39 AM
Why not fine the media as well?  Why do they get off scott free, if the umpires are such a protected species?
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: Tigermonk on May 27, 2007, 12:03:22 PM
Richo hasn't commented on the umpires, only the rule.


thats right he's talking about the rules but stuff the white maggots who cannot umpire properly they & goal umpires ruin games every week
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: mightytiges on May 27, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
Given it's not the club's first "offence" Richo will probably cop a large fine as well. Does $5-10k buy silence  ::).
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: Fishfinger on May 27, 2007, 10:08:25 PM
If Richo gets fined then I think the AFL is bordering on a dictatorship with its censorship.
He hasn't critcised the umpires and, as a player, is surely within his rights to point out something that he doesn't understand or like.
Glenn Archer has said numerous times that the current holding the ball rule is not right and confuses him. Pretty sure he hasn't been fined, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: tiga on May 27, 2007, 10:40:54 PM
More often than not this rule is rewarding players who are out of position and not judging the flight of the ball as Mal Michael did. There was also one early on that Lloyd got where thirsty was doing nothing stronger than picking pills of the back of his jumper and got penalised for it.  :banghead :banghead
I believe that the rule should be modified to state that if a player is caught under the ball and is forcing their way back into position, the player directly behind in better position should be able to use his arms to maintain his position. This was the old rule wasn't it??
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: Ox on May 27, 2007, 11:45:56 PM
Richardson slams rule after cruel loss
27 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Jackie Epstein

Richmond fans were incensed at the loss and security staff had to restrain one spectator after the final siren when he tried to run onto the ground at the Punt Rd end.



FROFLMFAO.

We rock !
Title: Change dangerous hand-in-back rule: March
Post by: one-eyed on May 28, 2007, 02:31:27 AM
Change dangerous hand-in-back rule: Tiger chief
Sarah-Jane Collins | May 28, 2007 | The Age

RICHMOND president Gary March yesterday called for an overhaul of the controversial hand-in-the-back rule, slamming the existing interpretation as dangerous and predicting it could lead to serious injury.

"I really do think it's time there was a radical overhaul of that rule because it is making the game so frustrating for forwards and ruckmen because there's no opportunity (to protect yourself if someone is) backing back any more," March said.

The call came on the heels of Richmond's heartbreaking loss to Essendon on Saturday night, in which Matthew Richardson was penalised for pushing Mal Michael in a last-quarter marking contest, with the scores tied and only minutes remaining.

"(If Richardson had not) put his hands up … he could have ended up with a broken nose, fracture or whatever, there's really no room," March said.

"If you take that out he can't protect his body, so it opens up a lot of accidental head clashes and other things and I just think they really need to look at the rule. I'm all for giving a free kick where a guy is legitimately pushed out of the contest, but in circumstances like where (Michael is) running back quite quickly and (Richardson) is really just stopping him to protect himself, there's no push in the contest. It's just to stop him cannoning into him."

March said he did not think the free kick awarded to Essendon, and subsequent 50-metre penalty after Richardson unknowingly played on and kicked a disallowed goal, had caused the Tigers to lose the match.

"(Saturday night) there was probably a number of those sort of free kicks that were paid against forwards, so I don't think it really influenced the outcome of the game," March said. "But I do think the rule needs some overhaul."

But the AFL's general manager of football operations, Adrian Anderson, was adamant yesterday that Richardson would have been penalised in any year.

"We have an interpretation this year of the hand in the back which is merely a signal to the umpires of when a push in the back has taken place, and regardless of that interpretation that was the case when Matthew Richardson placed his hand in the back and pushed his opponent under the ball, and that's exactly what the rule push in the back is designed to avoid," Anderson told ABC's Offsiders.

"(Saturday night) was a case of a free kick for a push in the back whether or not you've got the interpretation which simply assists the umpires in doing their job."

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/handinback-rule-dangerous/2007/05/27/1180205077212.html
Title: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 28, 2007, 02:35:42 AM
Right call, but tough penalty
28 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Mike Sheahan

RICHO as hero would have been the perfect climax of a brilliant production on Saturday night, Mike Sheahan writes.

Sadly, for the gallant Richmond full-forward, field umpire Brett Allen applied the most contentious interpretation in the rules, denying player and club one of their finest moments.

In a double-whammy for Richardson, he was penalised for putting a hand on Mal Michael's back and then copped a 50m penalty from Allen as he celebrated what would have been the winning goal, and his fifth.

Romance aside, it was the correct decision under the new interpretation.

Even Richo was willing to concede as much after the game. Where he was desperately unlucky was to incur a 50m penalty.

Allen, a reasonable man, reasonably might have taken the view Richardson was entitled to turn and take off after taking what he believed/hoped was a legitimate mark.

It was one of those situations where common sense suggested Richo would get an explanation and a warning.

Predictably, there has been widespread endorsement of the player's view that the interpretation is "pathetic".

The reality is the interpretation is in place, and must stay in place for at least the 2007 season.

Yes, it was introduced in haste, but it is in place, and it also has undeniable merit.

Of course it should have been trialled in the pre-season competition at least once, maybe even twice, but it wasn't.

Richardson did have a hand in Mal Michael's back. The Essendon full-back was pushing back hard, Richo was entitled to hold his ground, yet the new ruling says players can't use hands in the back to hold an opponent out, and many of us agree.

The on-going problem is the consistency of the implementation. Hopefully, Richardson didn't watch the Geelong-Port Adelaide game last night, when Damon White had two hands in Kane Tenace's back in the last quarter and was paid the mark.

Richo got caught for what has been missed with so many others. This time, the game was in the balance.

He, though, knows what the new interpretation says, and knows how to use his body, too. He could have held his ground legally with his hip or his shoulder, even his forearm.

He didn't, and paid the price.

What shouldn't be lost in the debate is Richardson's contribution to a magnificent event.

He had 15 possessions and took 11 marks, and kicked 4.2. Or, 5.2 if you are a Richmond supporter.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21804167%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 28, 2007, 02:37:15 AM
A turkey of a rule comes home to roost
Rohan Connolly | May 28, 2007 | The Age

Saturday night's free-kick controversy is the latest indictment upon a ruling that AFL administrators should never have tinkered with.

YES, to the letter of the law it was a free kick. No, in the spirit of the game it shouldn't have been. And yes, this hands-in-the-back stuff is a turkey. One that came home to roost at the MCG on Saturday night.

As if this season hadn't already seen enough attention diverted from the playing field. Now even the games themselves are sinking into a mire of endless controversy and debate about their adjudication, thanks largely to tinkering with a rule that didn't need attention in the first place. And that's the greatest shame.

Essendon's comeback win over Richmond was overflowing with great stories and incidents. Matthew Richardson's mere appearance on the field for the Tigers — given the extent of his injuries the previous week — was a pretty good starting point.

The Dreamtime concept again captured the football public's imagination and helped turn what might otherwise have been an insignificant match between two struggling teams into a real occasion.

The winless Tigers were gallant again, but in a sorry twist just couldn't finish off their opponent. The Bombers' effort in hauling back a three-goal deficit with just over six minutes to play was a stunning comeback. There was James Hird's inspirational tackle. Adam McPhee's thumping goal that tied the scores. No end of talking points.

But they were always going to be overshadowed once umpire Brett Allen pinged "Richo" for the lightest of touches on Mal Michael's back, denying him what would most likely have been a famous match-winning goal.

Every week, there seems at least one match whose outcome is overshadowed by the inconsistencies of the application of this new interpretation.

Last week, the Kangaroos and Carlton played a cracker returning 42 goals, but post-match discussion focused just as much on several scored from hands-in-the-back free kicks. Essendon's Mark McVeigh's great grab in round three against Carlton is to date probably mark of the year. But even a moment that spectacular became just a catalyst for another week-long debate about this silly piece of unwanted rules engineering.

We know it's not the umpires' fault, though the 50-metre penalty Brett Allen slapped on Richardson to add insult to injury was a shocker. Play was frantic, scores level, seconds were ticking away and a 60,000-plus crowd was screaming. If Richardson did hear the whistle, he likely believed it was being blown to award him the mark. Common sense, please.

That is exactly what has deserted the law-makers with this latest effort. Michael, caught under the flight of the ball, backed into Richardson. The Tiger forward had nowhere to go and was about to be bowled over. He put out a steadying hand, the impact of which barely moved Michael, let alone removed him from the contest.

If we're talking about the purity of a marking contest, why is it still OK for a player behind to use forearms, hips, or whatever to hold off the man in front, the impact of which is every bit, if not more profound, than a brush with the hand?

But even if the intent was simply to make a push easier to interpret, the hands-in-the-back change has been a miserable failure. Umpires simply can't be in good enough position often enough to detect every one of the most fleeting moments of contact.

Instead, it's become a perilous lucky dip, of which the winning ticket all too often has dramatic consequences of a goal — those missed often costing one, and some, like Saturday night, overshadowing what should have been one of the most talked-about finishes to a game in recent times.

There's often a tendency to dramatise the implications of rule changes, the reality usually proving not nearly as cataclysmic as the dire forecasts. But the hand-wringing that followed the introduction of the hands-in-the-back interpretation has proved spot on. It has been a profound change to the game and, at the very least, should have been trialled first during the pre-season competition. It wasn't and we're paying a high price.

The hands-in-the-back interpretation should go. You suspect, though, pride will prevent an AFL backdown. That stands to hurt the game far more than a few red faces among administrators. Not to mention the shame of all the great football we won't be talking about, lost under the weight of the latest hands-in-the-back controversy.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/a-turkey-of-a-rule-comes-home-to-roost/2007/05/27/1180205077185.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 28, 2007, 02:39:04 AM
Dictionary says Richo got a raw deal
Tim Lane | May 28, 2007 | The Age

More work is needed on a controversial ruling that still doesn't accurately define what contact is acceptable in a marking contest.

RICHO, Richo, Richo. Why do you do it to us? Why do you do it to yourself? Will your life still be like this even when you perambulate the lawn bowling green of retirement?

If archery becomes your sport, will you forever suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune?

Please, don't ever take up golf. It's a thought too terrifying to bear.

So, on Saturday night, was the umpire right or was Richo wronged? He put his hands in Mal Michael's back, of that there can be no doubt. Under this year's approach to such incidents, Brett Allen had to award the free kick against him. Regardless of the time the hands were actually in the back, this looked a clear-cut case.

But do such black-and-white judgements sit coherently with the range of other permitted contacts that occur close to the edge of the rules during the course of any game? That's what the debate over this new application of the push-in-the-back rule is about.

Predictably, the AFL is already telling us that they, and umpire Allen, have got it right. Of course, they would say that. For the past couple of years they've been insisting, despite there being an elephant with a big, white V in their board room, that the on-going failure of the Victorian teams is simply part of a cycle. At the weekend, they finally admitted they may have got this wrong. It's fair to say that after only nine weeks we're entitled to consider the jury still out on "hands in the back".

Prior to this year, the umpire would have been required to interpret whether or not Richo's action constituted a push. The problem was, so liberal had such interpretations become, anything that didn't pitchfork the man in front nose-first into the dust passed muster. It was because of this laxity that the zero tolerance application was brought into effect. It was designed to protect players in marking contests and remove controversy.

While it has to be said that its achievement on the latter count is questionable, the new application is at least clear. It's still struggling for acceptance, though, and that's not simply because it involves change.

The AFL rules committee has failed to address the most important part of the old push-in-the-back rule. The shortcoming of the new ruling is that it simply deals with the barrackers' abbreviation: the in-the-back part. That reckons without the most important word: "push". Were Richo's hands in Michael's back? Unquestionably. Did he push him? A visit to the dictionary is interesting.

My Australian Concise Oxford carries many definitions and uses of both the verb and noun "push", but the first is apposite. It reads: "Exert a force on (a thing) to move it away from oneself."

Did Richo move Michael away from himself? I don't think he did. The replays suggest he attempted to prevent Michael from moving back onto him. Had Michael kept coming, with eyes on the ball, he could have made contact with Richo without giving away a free kick. Richo, from a stationary position, attempted to hold his ground by using his hands and was penalised. So, while there clearly were "hands in the back", the strict answer as to whether there was a push in the back is no.

This year, there's no scope for the umpires to make judgements about such matters. That's where this new rule goes wrong. The umpires must be encouraged to interpret the game, under guidelines that are well thought through and clearly expressed.

It won't solve every problem, but it might at least go some small way to bringing some happiness back into Richo's life.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/dictionary-says-richo-got-a-raw-deal/2007/05/27/1180205077188.html
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 28, 2007, 02:40:52 AM
How two rights made a wrong
Richard Hinds | May 28, 2007 | The Age

THE great shame about the idiotic free kick that could have cost Richmond their first victory of the season against Essendon on Saturday night was not that umpire Brett Allen's "hands in the back" call against Tigers forward Matthew Richardson was wrong. The problem was that the umpire was spot on.

And so, in a single dramatic moment, the AFL's folly in imposing a rule that fundamentally changes the way the game can be played without testing in the pre-season competition or consultation with many significant stakeholders was exposed in a manner both brutal and predictable.

Brutal, particularly, for Richardson, a man whose career is so littered with heroic failure it is the stuff of Greek tragedy. This, however, should have been a moment of rare triumph. Having entered the game with a fractured eye socket that was supposed to have sidelined him for months, Richardson continued to battle bravely even as Essendon fought back from 20 points down in the dying minutes to level the scores.

As the ball came high into the forward line he stood one out with Essendon defender Mal Michael. It was the type of contest Tony Lockett had envisaged when he voiced his own disapproval of the "hands in the back" rule. Two big, powerful players battling for the position. "People want to see a contest," Plugger said.

This time Richardson won. He held his ground as Michael backed into him, grabbed the mark and kicked a brilliant long goal with a boot more renowned for turning the Sherrin into a scud missiles. Under the long-held interpretation of "pushing in the back", Michael would have been entitled to a free kick if his body had been pushed forward. But Richardson did not shove Michael, he merely put a hand up as forwards and defenders had done legally for the first 109 of the competition's 110 years.

But not any more. With Allen following his misguided orders to the letter, Richardson had to be penalised - doubly so with a 50m penalty for kicking the ball away after the whistle had blown. That Essendon went on to record a worthy yet slightly hollow eight-point victory restored Richardson's reputation as a football tragedian. There could be yet more pain. After the match, Richardson echoed the feeling of dumbstruck fans when he described the rule as "pathetic" and not "in the spirit of the game". There was immediate talk he would be fined for criticising the umpires but he had not. Richardson was criticising those who had concocted and imposed the rule with obscene haste.

The same people who, emboldened by the support of some bandwagon jumping media commentators, have refused to listen to voices of those insiders and fans who had foreseen the Richardson fiasco - or one just like it.

The critics such as Swans coach Paul Roos, whose right to an opinion, like those of many AFL coaches, has been diminished because he is told it is his tactics that are ruining the game. Like Collingwood champion Nathan Buckley, who resigned from the rules committee because he believed his opinions were disregarded. Like the AFL Umpires Association who feared, correctly, that their members would be unfairly vilified by this punitive law.

Coincidentally, the leading public proponent of the rule has been former Richmond great Kevin Bartlett, a radio broadcaster and member of the AFL's rules committee, who yesterday described the decision as "an absolute no-brainer". Presumably he meant the umpire had made the right decision, not that those who had brought in the rule had no brains.

What has never been fully explained, beyond the vague assertion of producing a "fairer contest", is why the new interpretation was brought in when the old "push in the back rule" had stood the test of time. Some have suggested it was the brainchild of new AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick. It seems to support the view that the AFL has become enamoured by the low-contact Gaelic game.

Whatever the genesis, from the moment it was sprung on the public without trial or discussion it was an accident waiting to happen. And Richardson is the innocent victim.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/how-two-rights-made-a-wrong/2007/05/27/1180205079061.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 28, 2007, 02:44:05 AM
(http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5500727,00.jpg)
Take this rule and shove it: A disgruntled Matthew Richardson argues with the umpire after his goal was overturned because of a controversial push in the back free was paid against him. Picture: Wayne Ludbey


Lloyd: I feel for Richardson
28 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms

ESSENDON captain Matthew Lloyd shares the frustration of Richmond forward Matthew Richardson with the new interpretation of the hands-in-the-back rule.
 
Tigers fans believed they were robbed of their first victory of the season when Richardson's mark, and subsequent goal, was disallowed in the dying moments of Saturday night's narrow loss to the Bombers.

Lloyd said he did not agree with the rule, but under the interpretation the umpire made the right call.

"They say you can use your forearm, but, like Matthew Richardson, I have been using the hand just to place it there (back) for balance. Not a push, but to just hold your opponent out, for 12 years," Lloyd said yesterday.

"You can actually hold your opponent out better that way than with the forearm."

Lloyd's empathy for Richardson came as former field umpire Derek Humphery-Smith called on the AFL to release statistics on how many hands-in-the-back frees have been missed in the first nine rounds.

Humphery-Smith said while the free against Richardson, and then a 50m penalty, were both correct, other decisions were clearly wrong in previous games.

"Whether the free kick would have been paid in 2006 is questionable, but certainly under the 2007 interpretation it was applied correctly," Humphery-Smith said.

"I think it was the decision we had to have to make the AFL finally sit up and take notice at the frustration of the new interpretation and hopefully (assess) whether the game needs it."

The AFL is happy with the rule and, despite pressure from players and coaches, it will not follow the lead of the NRL and change the rule during the season.

The NRL introduced an obstruction rule this season, but scrubbed it when there were almost as many penalties for obstruction in the first six rounds of 2007 as there were in the entire 2006 season.

Richardson's "goal" put the Tigers six points in front, but umpire Brett Allen ruled that the Tiger forward had his hands on defender Mal Michael's back.

A 50m penalty was given after Richardson played on and booted the goal.

Richardson, who faces a "please explain" from the AFL after he blasted the rule after the game, showed enormous courage to play on Saturday after suffering facial injuries a week earlier.

"On the way they're interpreting it this year, it was a push in the back. But I've been playing 15 years and any other year, that was a mark," Richardson told 3AW after the game.

"I think it's a pathetic rule . . . I think it's spoiling the contest between two guys going for a mark. I don't think I will say much more . . . but I don't think it's in the spirit of how the game's been played for a long time."

Lloyd said the rule would affect recruiting.

"It's getting harder and harder to think your way through things when you are playing from behind in a one-on-one situation," he told ABC 774 radio yesterday.

"It is hard work for the forwards and defenders to work out at the moment."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21804168%255E20322,00.html
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2007, 07:40:22 AM
I heard on Sports Tonight that Richo could face a fine for comments he made (which I thought were rather subdued considering) and yet it looks like Judd will get off an eye gouging charge.  :banghead  So it's ok to practically blind someone but don't you dare criticise the precious AFL or their umpires :banghead

What a joke!  If this is true, every Richmond supporter and the club should be writing in protest to the AFL.
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2007, 08:16:05 AM
Lloyd should offer to give Richo lessons in diving.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2007, 08:18:39 AM
Here's a thought.  Supposing Richo gets fine for his comments.  Crazy John would help his move to the Richmond board and get some support from members if he offered to pay Richo's fine.  Or reimbursed Richo for the fine.
Title: Re: Change dangerous hand-in-back rule: March
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2007, 08:20:31 AM
So are the AFL going to fine Gary March too?
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: 2JD on May 28, 2007, 09:28:16 AM
Why is it that every single living breathing life form on this planet can see  the stupidity of this rule, except the (i cant think of a name bad enough!!!) people who came up with it!!!!
I'm such a sook an angry tear came to my eye reading these articles!!! >:(
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: wayne on May 28, 2007, 09:49:43 AM
KB is a filthy rat.
Title: Re: Change dangerous hand-in-back rule: March
Post by: mightytiges on May 28, 2007, 01:52:34 PM
So are the AFL going to fine Gary March too?
He shouldn't but who knows anymore with the AFL.
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 28, 2007, 02:08:20 PM
Well said Connolly, Lane and Hinds. Mike you're a dill. The NRL have abolished a bad new rule after 8 rounds. Why can't the AFL?

Why is it that every single living breathing life form on this planet can see  the stupidity of this rule, except the (i cant think of a name bad enough!!!) people who came up with it!!!!
Because these morons don't have to sit through a game and watch this crap and have forgotten that Aussie rules is meant to be a free-form contact sport based around skill, strength and better judgement. This new intepretation rewards players who misread the flight of the ball and are caught underneath it. All they have to do is run backwards into the player behind them. They either get a spoil in or it's a free to them for push in the back. Absolute garbage penalising the player who is skillful enough to judge the best position in a contest :banghead.
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: tiga on May 28, 2007, 02:13:32 PM
Well said Connolly, Lane and Hinds. Mike you're a dill. The NRL have abolished a bad new rule after 8 rounds. Why can't the AFL?

Why is it that every single living breathing life form on this planet can see  the stupidity of this rule, except the (i cant think of a name bad enough!!!) people who came up with it!!!!
Because these morons don't have to sit through a game and watch this crap and have forgotten that Aussie rules is meant to be a free-form contact sport based around skill, strength and better judgement. This new intepretation rewards players who misread the flight of the ball and are caught underneath it. All they have to do is run backwards into the player behind them. They either get a spoil in or it's a free to them for push in the back. Absolute garbage penalising the player who is skillful enough to judge the best position in a contest :banghead.

Hear, Here MT!!  :thumbsup :thumbsup
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: mightytiges on May 28, 2007, 02:22:34 PM
More often than not this rule is rewarding players who are out of position and not judging the flight of the ball as Mal Michael did. There was also one early on that Lloyd got where thirsty was doing nothing stronger than picking pills of the back of his jumper and got penalised for it.  :banghead :banghead
I believe that the rule should be modified to state that if a player is caught under the ball and is forcing their way back into position, the player directly behind in better position should be able to use his arms to maintain his position. This was the old rule wasn't it??
Spot on tiga. Everyone understood the old rule but of course like so things Adrian Anderson and co had to "fix it" to justify their existence  :banghead.

FF, the AFL are a dictatorship with its censorship.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: Gordon Bennett on May 28, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
Here's a thought.  Supposing Richo gets fine for his comments.  Crazy John would help his move to the Richmond board and get some support from members if he offered to pay Richo's fine.  Or reimbursed Richo for the fine.
That's just the sort of populist,opportunistic thing I'd expect from Ilhan - cheap heroics and exploitation of a situation. It would cost him a trifle, and he would milk it. This guy is a flake, a shameless self-promoter. We must not indulge the guy's ego.

My new logo - Don't go down the ill-advised ill-han path....hang on, I need to work on that a little more. Something simpler is needed.

P.O.I.   Pee Off Ilhan
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 28, 2007, 02:54:07 PM
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/sixthsense.jpg)
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 28, 2007, 07:55:39 PM
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/sixthsense.jpg)

 :thatsgold :thatsgold

:jump


Well said Connolly, Lane and Hinds. Mike you're a dill. The NRL have abolished a bad new rule after 8 rounds. Why can't the AFL?

Why is it that every single living breathing life form on this planet can see  the stupidity of this rule, except the (i cant think of a name bad enough!!!) people who came up with it!!!!
Because these morons don't have to sit through a game and watch this crap and have forgotten that Aussie rules is meant to be a free-form contact sport based around skill, strength and better judgement. This new intepretation rewards players who misread the flight of the ball and are caught underneath it. All they have to do is run backwards into the player behind them. They either get a spoil in or it's a free to them for push in the back. Absolute garbage penalising the player who is skillful enough to judge the best position in a contest :banghead.


Absolutely agree MT and yep the NRl change the obstruction rule a couple of weeks ago because it saimple wasn't working (sound familiar) and it was deemed to be not in the spirit of the game  :clapping On thing about the NRL the are not afraid to admit they stuffed up unlike the "twiddle dumbs and twiddle dees" at AFL headquarters :banghead
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 28, 2007, 08:00:15 PM
Here's a thought.  Supposing Richo gets fine for his comments.  Crazy John would help his move to the Richmond board and get some support from members if he offered to pay Richo's fine.  Or reimbursed Richo for the fine.

Gotta say Julz that Crazy John analogy is not funny -sacry yep funny nope  :-\ because you've probably given Mr Crazy and idea

That's just the sort of populist,opportunistic thing I'd expect from Ilhan - cheap heroics and exploitation of a situation. It would cost him a trifle, and he would milk it. This guy is a flake, a shameless self-promoter. We must not indulge the guy's ego.

My new logo - Don't go down the ill-advised ill-han path....hang on, I need to work on that a little more. Something simpler is needed.

P.O.I.   Pee Off Ilhan

With ya GB  :thumbsup

Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2007, 08:19:58 PM
Yeah sorry :-[

BTW peoples - Richo will be speaking to Mike, Gerard and the other guy (Wall?) on On the Couch - 8.30m tonight on Fox Sports 1
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2007, 08:26:48 PM
That's because Andrew D. and Andy A. think they are above us mere mortals.  Oops - I dare criticise - how am I going to pay the fine??
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2007, 01:17:30 AM
It's time to shove hands-in-back rule
Robert Walls | May 29, 2007 | The Age

IT'S good to go bush every now and then. Much of last week was spent up on the Murray River and I lost count of the number of grassroots footy people who said they were losing faith in the direction the game was going due to the increasing number of tiggy-touchwood decisions by umpires.

Well, I hope they weren't watching on Saturday night when Richmond's Matthew Richardson was disallowed a mark late in the game against Essendon, and then penalised 50 metres for kicking the ball. The in-the-back decision cost Richmond the game and "Richo" the chance to be an even greater hero than he already was.

"Footy sucks sometimes," was Melbourne coach Neale Daniher's quote of the week. And what sucks most at the moment was the decision to interpret strongly the hands-in-the-back rule this season. The game is so much the poorer for it. We shouldn't blame the umpires or their boss Jeff Gieschen. They must be embarrassed by the new interpretation they are being forced to implement.

Richo has played AFL football for 15 years. In the previous 14, he would not have conceded a free kick for what he did on Saturday night. AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson says "we want to see genuine marking contests where both players contest the ball without pushing out".

That's fine. But on Saturday night, Essendon's Mal Michael was not even trying to mark the ball. He had read the flight of the ball incorrectly. He had got under the ball and was pushing back forcefully onto Richo. As Michael backed into Richo's space, Richo's hand was placed on Michael's back. It was not a push. Umpire Brett Allen was forced to pay a free against Richo because of the hand placement. But the rule interpretation is an ass and those who pushed for it should be embarrassed at the mockery they are making of our great game. The interpretation should be "push with hands to disadvantage". And so a suck of a rule ruins the game and the Dreamtime experience for thousands of Richmond diehards and football followers in general.

What else sucks? Going down by close margins when your team is yet to register a win hurts. In recent weeks, Terry Wallace and Daniher have gone through hell. The wise heads will say that's what coaching is all about, fighting adversity, battling against the odds, keeping a positive facade, when all around you appears negative. The bottom line is, it can tear chunks out of you. With each narrow, harrowing loss, a little piece inside you dies.

I couldn't sleep after night matches. Especially after a loss, I would walk the streets after midnight. You feel sorry and responsible for the players and supporters. You think it is all your fault. This game can depress you.

… And 10 more things that suck in football

1. A drugs policy that needs an overhaul.

2. Not enough position play.

3. An interchange system that allows too many rotations.

4. Too few contested marks.

5. Adelaide and Perth-based supporters who just can't see the big picture.

6. Not enough appreciation of ruckmen and their craft.

7. Umpires still bounce the ball, when a throw up would benefit all.

8. Goalkicking accuracy from set shots hasn't improved despite players being full-time professionals.

9. Food is too expensive at the footy.

10. My next grandchild will be forced by his/her father to be a Tigers supporter.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/its-time-to-shove-handsinback-rule/2007/05/28/1180205159533.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2007, 01:19:40 AM
AFL defends controversial rule
May 28, 2007 - 7:30PM
The Age

The AFL continues to strongly defend the "hands in the back" rule interpretation, with umpire Brett Allen receiving praise for Saturday night's critical decision.

Umpires boss Jeff Gieschen strongly supported Allen for his decision to penalise Richmond forward Matthew Richardson.

Scores were level when Richardson out-marked Essendon opponent Mal Michael, played on and kicked a goal.

Allen paid a free against Richardson for having a hand on Michael's back in the marking contest.

He also paid a 50m free against the Tigers star for playing on.

Essendon won the match a few minutes later by eight points.

"We're just pleased Brett Allen was able to get into a really good position, side-on, saw the hands resting in the back, then saw the push out - so he's obliged to pay a free kick," Gieschen said.

Richardson was furious post-match, calling the rule "pathetic", and Hawthorn veteran Shane Crawford said he could understand the frustration.

"It's a hard situation ... a lot of the players involved were players who have been playing the game for a long period of time," he said.

"It makes it hard to adjust your game when you've been playing like that for 25-30 years, as a kid and into your senior years.

"That's probably one of the hardest things about the rule, that it can cost sides games.

"You certainly don't want rules having an impact on games like that."

The AFL introduced the new interpretation of its current hands-in-the-back rule this season to stop players pushing opponents out of marking contests.

http://news.realfooty.com.au/afl-defends-controversial-rule/20074928-fbq.html
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2007, 02:08:10 AM
Umps blamed for hands-in-back change
29 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms with AAP

TWO-time Grand Final umpire John Russo claims umpires are to blame for the AFL introducing the contentious hands-in-the-back rule.

Russo said the new interpretation evolved because umpires were not strict enough in past years to penalise players who pushed opponents in the back during marking contests.

"I think the hands-in-the-back rule they (the AFL) have introduced now is probably a knee-jerk reaction to the fact umpires in general weren't paying it as we should have," Russo said yesterday.

"And I'm just as much at fault as anyone else.

"If umpires had been paying free kicks for pushing in the back in marking contests as we should have, I don't think the administrators of the game would have had to have changed the rule."

Russo, whose 222-game career included the 1986 and 1991 Grand Finals, said he feared the rule would alter the game forever.

"I think changing the rule is potentially going to change the game and that's probably a bit of a sad legacy that we as umpires may have left for the game," Russo said.

Speaking at yesterday's launch of the E. J. Whitten Legends Game, Russo, who retired in 1995, said he hoped the AFL would throw out the stricter interpretation that was again highlighted when Richmond's Matthew Richardson was penalised against Essendon at the MCG on Saturday night.

"I hope they (AFL) do, but I can't see any indication that they will," Russo said.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said yesterday he understood why fans reacted to the Richardson decision, but said the right call had been made.

"Given the point of time of the game and given the outcome, people became very emotional," Demetriou said.

"If it hadn't been paid in the back, we probably would've had more controversy about the decision, as in 'Why wasn't there a free kick for in the back?' "

Demetriou said a review of the rule at the end of the season was unlikely.

"I wouldn't have thought so. It's only been in for nine weeks now," Demetriou said.

"This issue just arose because of the closeness of the game and the 50m penalty."

Russo said umpires should be made more accountable for their errors, including their inconsistency on the hands-in-the-back rule.

"What seems to happen is that some are paid and some aren't paid, and we see the same names (of umpires) week in and week out, and that's probably a little bit of a concern for the football world," Russo said.

"I'm not saying that Matthew Richardson wasn't a free kick. I'm saying that if it was two actions -- a push and then a mark -- I'm comfortable with that. I think a push in the back in a marking contest has always been a free kick and should always be a free kick."

Asked if he thought umpiring was better now than during his career, Russo said: "I paid worse decisions than I see on the telly now.

"But I spent more time out of the AFL than I see umpires spending out of the AFL now. I think the football world deserves everyone who walks over the white line to be accountable."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21810863%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2007, 02:22:05 AM
'Rule' should get the shove
29 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Derek Humphery-Smith

THE Laws of Australian Football have never been straightforward, Derek Humphery-Smith writes.

In fact, they are widely regarded as the most interpretative laws governing any of the world's football codes.

This doesn't make the job of an umpire an easy one.

This year, amongst great fanfare but little reason, the Laws of the Game Committee instructed the AFL Umpiring Department to ensure field umpires applied a much stricter interpretation to the "push-in-the-back" law for marking contests.

This became what most commentators now refer to as the "hands-in-the-back rule".

Amazing that a stricter interpretation of an existing law has become a "rule" in its own right only nine rounds into the 2007 season. But the relevant law hasn't actually changed.

Law 15.4.5 reads as follows:

A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if he or she:

(b) pushes an opposition player in the back, unless such contact is incidental to a marking contest and the player is legitimately marking or attempting to mark the football.

Incredibly, this interpretation was thrust on the umpires without any input from them.

On paper, it is easier to apply because whenever a player places his hands on the back of his opponent in a marking contest, an umpire needs to pay a free kick. This is irrelevant of whether the player actually breached the law by pushing his opponent in the back.

I don't understand it.

A new "law" of our game has been created. There were no extensive trials of the interpretation nor were examples given of what scourge on our game it was trying to eradicate.

No such change applies to ruck contests, although the law book basically treats them the same as marking contests.

This is confusing and frustrating stuff.

Now, we have seen a pivotal decision correctly made by umpire Brett Allen against the Tigers' Matthew Richardson.

Tigers' fans are hurting enough without this rubbing of salt into their wounds.

But it is the decision we needed. In my view, it would not have been paid as a free kick in 2006 and Richmond may have gone on to win their first match of the season.

The AFL heads shortly to its mid-year break and an immediate review is required of this interpretation.

Richardson's actions did not warrant a free kick.

A player should be allowed to hold his ground in a marking contest, whether it's with his hands, his forearm or his hip. But if he pushes, then that should be a free kick -- as it always has been and as the Laws of Australian Football rightly outlaw.

AFL chief Andrew Demetriou will hopefully watch this mess unfolding and take appropriate action. The interpretation should be scrapped from the mid-season break.

That will take leadership and a preparedness to say the Laws of the Game Committee got it wrong. We will watch with interest.

Derek Humphery-Smith is a former AFL field umpire.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21810824%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2007, 02:32:27 AM
Hudson: It was a free
29 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Jon Anderson

PETER Hudson, the man who averages more goals a game (5.6) than anyone in AFL history, says the hands-in-the-back interpretation has greatly improved the game.

Hudson, who kicked 727 goals in 129 matches between 1967-77, says the acceptance of players being able to push in the back has grown since he finished in the game.

"I'm all for the new interpretation. I grew up in an era where you weren't allowed to use your hands to push in the back," Hudson said.

"Yes, the odd mistake will still be made, but that's a much better situation than before. From what I saw, Matthew Richardson's hands were clearly on Mal Michael's back.

"That's a free kick and always should be. If you allow pushes in the back, how do you differentiate between a big and small push?"

Hudson said there was a generation of footballing fans who grew up watching football in the 1980s and 1990s who say hands in the back is an accepted part of the game.

"But it's not," Hudson said.

"Using the body was a big part of my games, but I never used my hands to push a player out. I actually feel sorry for the umpires. At least the players can't argue any more because it's now clear-cut.

"Soon enough we will accept it."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21810825%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 29, 2007, 04:19:20 AM
Amazing that a stricter interpretation of an existing law has become a "rule" in its own right only nine rounds into the 2007 season. But the relevant law hasn't actually changed.

Law 15.4.5 reads as follows:

A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if he or she:

(b) pushes an opposition player in the back, unless such contact is incidental to a marking contest and the player is legitimately marking or attempting to mark the football.

I've never been a fan of Humphrey-Smith's columns in the past but this one today is the most well written and well argued article of the lot on this issue IMO. The actual law hasn't been changed but the AFL rules committee has made up some stupid interpretation which contradicts the very law it is meant to enforce. 

Furthermore they have distinguished between the hands and other parts of the body while no distinction is mentioned in the actual law. You tackle an opponent from behind and land on his back it's a push in the back whether your hands, forearms, hip, shoulder or torso land on his back. Why suddenly is a distinction made in marking contests but not with tackling or as Derek says in a ruck contest. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Let's break the actual law down in Richo's scenario:

i) Did Richo push Michael in the back?

No. Richo did have his left hand on the upper right side of Michael's back and his right hand on Michael's upper right arm but there was no push. The hands were used to  maintain Richo's perfect positioning to take the mark; not to force Michael out of the contest as he was always out of position as he was always underneath the ball. Mark to Richo stands!

ii) Was the contact incidental to the marking contest?

Yes. In fact it was Michael who initiated the contact by charging back into Richo and Richo was simply protecting himself and holding his ground. Hence Richo's contact was incidental to the marking contest. Mark to Richo stands!

iii) Was Michael legitimately marking or attempting to mark the football?

No. Michael was out of position underneath the footy at all times and his sole intention was run back into Richo and spoil Richo's marking attempt. Mark to Richo stands!

So no infringement was made by Richo on Michael according to the actual law and the mark should have stood. Simple!
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: julzqld on May 29, 2007, 07:36:36 AM

(http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5502119,00.jpg)


 
 
No whistle: the roles were reversed, but without a free kick when Essendon defender Mal Michael touched Tiger Matthew Richardson's back in the last quarter at the MCG on Saturday. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
 
 
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/printpage/0,8036,21810863%255E20322,00.html (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/printpage/0,8036,21810863%255E20322,00.html)

Oops - sorry - didn't see this pic on another thread but it is worth a second look.

Agree for once with Walls.

Stupid Roger Merrett (for something completely differently) has come out in today's Gold Coast Bulletin saying that it was a blatant push in the back by Richo.   ::)
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: Fishfinger on May 29, 2007, 11:25:12 AM
The title of The Age article is misleading.
Gieschen is defending the umpire, not the controversial rule.
Title: Richo gets the all clear
Post by: mightytiges on May 29, 2007, 02:15:19 PM
Richo has got the all clear from his please explain. So no fine. Just reported on SEN.

 :thumbsup
Title: Re: Richo gets the all clear
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2007, 02:56:04 PM
Richo has got the all clear from his please explain. So no fine. Just reported on SEN.

 :thumbsup

SEN added that Richo didn't get a please explain. Richo said he will have to learn to modify his action so he doesn't use his hands.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: FooffooValve on May 29, 2007, 04:11:35 PM
so is richo sending the afl a please explain?
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 29, 2007, 09:46:55 PM
Quite scary to read a Humphrey-Smith article and find he is actually making some sense

I've never been a fan of Humphrey-Smith's columns in the past but this one today is the most well written and well argued article of the lot on this issue IMO. The actual law hasn't been changed but the AFL rules committee has made up some stupid interpretation which contradicts the very law it is meant to enforce. 

Furthermore they have distinguished between the hands and other parts of the body while no distinction is mentioned in the actual law. You tackle an opponent from behind and land on his back it's a push in the back whether your hands, forearms, hip, shoulder or torso land on his back. Why suddenly is a distinction made in marking contests but not with tackling or as Derek says in a ruck contest. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Let's break the actual law down in Richo's scenario:

i) Did Richo push Michael in the back?

No. Richo did have his left hand on the upper right side of Michael's back and his right hand on Michael's upper right arm but there was no push. The hands were used to  maintain Richo's perfect positioning to take the mark; not to force Michael out of the contest as he was always out of position as he was always underneath the ball. Mark to Richo stands!

ii) Was the contact incidental to the marking contest?

Yes. In fact it was Michael who initiated the contact by charging back into Richo and Richo was simply protecting himself and holding his ground. Hence Richo's contact was incidental to the marking contest. Mark to Richo stands!

iii) Was Michael legitimately marking or attempting to mark the football?

No. Michael was out of position underneath the footy at all times and his sole intention was run back into Richo and spoil Richo's marking attempt. Mark to Richo stands!

So no infringement was made by Richo on Michael according to the actual law and the mark should have stood. Simple!

Far to much logic in your assessment there MT.

Expect your please explain letter in the next few days :thumbsup
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: DallasCrane on May 29, 2007, 09:59:15 PM
The title of The Age article is misleading.
Gieschen is defending the umpire, not the controversial rule.

Yes it was interesting that. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in a meeting between Adrian Anderson and Giesh!
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: DallasCrane on May 29, 2007, 10:02:41 PM
It's time to shove hands-in-back rule
Robert Walls | May 29, 2007 | The Age


… And 10 more things that suck in football



Isn't Wallsy a school teacher? Get to the back of the class Robert and wash your mouth out!
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 29, 2007, 10:20:02 PM
Expect your please explain letter in the next few days :thumbsup
Yes please  :pray. I'd love to give dopey Anderson and co an explanation  :lol  :thumbsup.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in a meeting between Adrian Anderson and Giesh!
A meeting of great footy minds there  :whistle
Title: Even those on the Rules Committee can't agree
Post by: one-eyed on May 30, 2007, 04:02:54 AM
Lawmakers at odds over Richo free kick
30 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms

TWO of the men responsible for introducing the controversial hands-in-the-back rule have disagreed over Matthew Richardson's "mark" on Saturday night.

One member of the AFL laws of the game committee, Kevin Bartlett, said it was not a mark.

However another committee member, 1961 Magarey medallist John Halbert, said he would not have paid a free kick against Richardson.

Bartlett said umpire Brett Allen was correct to pay the free against Richardson for having his hands on Essendon defender Mal Michael's back.

Halbert said that while it was a difficult decision, the mark should have been allowed.

The differing opinions of Bartlett and Halbert have now added more confusion to the contentious new interpretation of the rule.

Bartlett has used his radio program on SEN 1116 this week to stoutly advocate the correct decision had been made to disallow Richardson's mark.

Scores were level when Richardson marked and then played on to goal.

Allen paid a free kick against Richardson for having a hand on Michael's back and paid a 50m penalty against him for playing on.

Richardson described the rule as pathetic after the game but the AFL announced yesterday the Tiger star had not broken any rules with his criticism.

"You can have an opinion on anything you like except criticising umpires," an AFL spokesman said.

"He (Richardson) said all along the decision was the right one, it's just that he doesn't like the rule. And that's fine by us."

Halbert said the hands-in-the- back rule was not new but simply had been given a stricter interpretation.

Asked about the Richardson mark, Halbert said: "I thought that was tough. I think probably the umpire was a bit too tough on that one.

"I saw it simply as almost him (Richardson) steadying the fellow from coming back on him quickly.

"A player should have his hands in the air if he is going for the mark but if a player is backing on to him, I think it is OK to just put the hand on the back without pushing him. But if he moves him forward, he should be immediately penalised.

"I wouldn't have paid that as a free kick, but where do you draw the line?"

Halbert said it would take time, like any new interpretation, for the umpires to adjust to it.

"A player should not put his hands on a player's back and move him forward, that's nothing new," Halbert said.

"Overall, I think it was absolutely necessary to look at that interpretation of that rule because it was getting to the ridiculous stage with players being pushed in the back when going for a mark."

Halbert said there was always going to be some variations in umpires' interpretations when a rule was tightened up.

"Generally, I think it has been improving, but there will be occasions when I'm watching a game when I will say that I don't think the umpire interpreted that very well or he was probably a bit too fussy in a player putting his hands on the back.

"It might have been for an absolute second and had not moved the player forward in any way."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21817500%255E20322,00.html
Title: Rules committee ignored player rep Bucks - Aker
Post by: one-eyed on May 30, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
And the Rules committee ignored the players wishes according to Aker

Quote
Change hands-in-back-rule: Aker
By Western Bulldogs player Jason Akermanis
Herald-Sun
May 30, 2007

THE AFL has no problem changing rules between seasons, even when the players' representative on the laws committee urges it to leave things alone.

Why then do we need to wait until the end of a season to change something that isn't working?

We're two weeks away from the split round, and perhaps that should be the time the game has a proper look at the contentious hands-in-the-back rule.

A push in the back should be a free, but not hands on the back to hold your ground. They are different things.

To me, the rule is just not working.

I don't like to claim to speak on behalf of others, but take it as fact a lot of players feel the same way.

If the hands-in-the-back rule is proven to be bad for the game, why can't it be changed for the rest this season?

Any quality company in the world has assessment periods where ideas and rules are considered, discussed and, if necessary, changed.

Yet in the AFL, it seems, it takes six months (the off season) for ideas to manifest and rules to change.

Are we in a quality business? Can we quickly assess a problem and make swift changes?

Surely nothing is to be gained by waiting for the end of the year.

The rules committee has, for some reason, wanted to help the game with new rules and interpretations.

But this rule was never really trialled, so why fix it if it wasn't broken? Or are some too stubborn to admit a mistake in the rule and fix it?

I feel for Matthew Richardson with what happened at the weekend.

As he said, he's now in his 15th AFL season, and in the other 14, his action against Mal Michael would have been allowable.

It's an unfortunate state of affairs for one of the great, entertaining players in our game.

Some say players should just abide by the new interpretations, but, as Richo said, it's very difficult changing an ingrained habit.

And why is it better for our game, anyway?

The change to the hands-in-the-back rule was sudden and despite the fact our representative on the laws committee, Nathan Buckley, pleaded for no change.

We all try to live within the rules that govern our lives, including those that tell us that doing 66km/h in a 60km/h zone is no good.

Yes, I know, I haven't let it go yet.

But it's hard when change is so drastic and as regular as it has been in footy in many facets of the game.

Go and look at a football video from 1995. Have a look at the standard of footy then. Note the rules then, and you'll see the change in the game in my time.

The games were still exciting, but the speed of the players as a whole is just amazing. The rules, however, seem easy to understand.

Change is necessary in life. It's just that with footy, we can stuff around with things too much.

Just remember this point - when the rules committee asked our player representative to give his feedback on this rule, he told them straight. He said it wasn't a good idea.

Bucks is a well-respected man in this industry, so why did they ignore him? I admire how Buckley responded to rejection of his input.

From my understanding, he had no choice but to resign from the laws committee once he was ignored.

The players are the ones putting on the show each week and, in so doing, they risk limb and reputation.

Maybe, just maybe, our business can change its mind.

Just as people, businesses and sporting competitions all over the world do, why can't we?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21818315-23211,00.html
Title: Richo off the hook (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on May 30, 2007, 05:09:29 AM
Tiger off the hook
May 30, 2007 | The Age

THE AFL has spared Richmond and Matthew Richardson from having to explain the Tiger's criticism of the controversial hands-in-the-back rule.

Richardson described the new rule as "pathetic" after he was denied what could have been a winning goal against Essendon at the MCG last Saturday night.

"You can have an opinion on anything you like except criticising umpires," an AFL spokesman said.

"He (Richardson) said all along the decision was the right one, it's just that he doesn't like the rule. And that's fine by us."

Richardson was penalised for putting his hands in the back of Essendon's Mal Michael in the last quarter at the MCG, which meant he was denied the subsequent mark and goal.

Richardson acknowledged umpire Brett Allen's decision was correct, but was furious with the rule. "I think it's a pathetic rule … I think it's spoiling the contest between two guys going for a mark," he said after the game.

Coach Terry Wallace said it was right that his forward not be asked to explain himself. "He certainly didn't make any comment on the umpires," Wallace said. "In fact, he's gone at lengths to say he thought the decision was right in relation to what the rule is at the moment. He doesn't like the rule and that's his choice on that, but certainly that wasn't anything to be critical of the umpires."

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/richo-off-the-hook/2007/05/29/1180205249774.html
Title: Re: Even those on the Rules Committee can't agree
Post by: julzqld on May 30, 2007, 07:50:31 AM
Good article by Acker.  Just shows how stupid the AFL are.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on May 30, 2007, 07:51:19 AM
Big of them ::)
Title: Re: Even those on the Rules Committee can't agree
Post by: richmondrules on May 30, 2007, 08:18:22 AM
They can't agree because it's a crap rule. Unfortunately the AFL and the rules committee are unaccountable so all they need to say is "we are right" and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Football is becoming an exercise in lining corporate pockets with cash, the ground roots support has little to do with it except to supply the money. AFL has become the plaything of the obscenely rich. A reprehensible and disgusting state of affairs.
Title: Re: Even those on the Rules Committee can't agree
Post by: mightytiges on May 30, 2007, 05:21:53 PM
They can't agree because it's a crap rule. Unfortunately the AFL and the rules committee are unaccountable so all they need to say is "we are right" and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Exactly. It's all a giant farce. Why do we need a standing rules committee anyway. All they are doing is fiddling with the laws of the game that are perfectly fine and have been for over 100 years to justify their existence.
Title: Richo treatment annoys Charman (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on May 31, 2007, 02:54:56 AM
Tiger treatment annoys Charman
31 May 2007   Herald-Sun
Jim Wilson

MATTHEW Richardson's contentious push-in-the-back free kick has received another sympathy vote -- this time from Brisbane Lion ruckman Jamie Charman.

As the Tigers prepare to meet the Lions at Telstra Dome on Saturday night, Charman said Richardson had every reason to be frustrated and called on the AFL to review the controversial rule.

"They need to look at it at the end of the season no doubt," Charman said.

"Everyone would agree it's changed the way we go about our approach to the game. It was pretty heartbreaking for 'Richo' and the rule does need reviewing. They need to look at the finer points and its interpretation of the rule."

Charman also gave a strong hint that he will remain at Brisbane next season.

"Brisbane has been a great part of my life and I love my teammates," he said.

"I've had a fantastic seven years and to be honest contract talks aren't my priority as I want to get a win. Having lost three in a row, we need to regroup and focus on bouncing back."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21823099%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on June 02, 2007, 06:16:11 AM
The way 1-on-1 marking contests are now being officiated is russian roulette. Last night Medhurst was penalised for two movements in attempting to mark while pushing with two hands in his opponents side. Two minutes later Tarrant was paid a mark despite it being an exact copy of what Medhurst did. So you're  allowed to hold or push the opponent away in his side with your hands yet if you just touch the back with your hands with no pushing it's a free. It's a total farce.


Title: Re: 'Hands in the back' opinion articles [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on June 05, 2007, 02:51:09 AM
Matthews defends push-in-back rule
Greg Denham
The Australian
June 05, 2007

FOUR-TIME premiership coach Leigh Matthews yesterday urged the laws of the game committee to remain committed to the stricter interpretation of the push-in-the-back rule, introduced this season.

Despite strong opposition from several coaches, Lions coach Matthews told Kevin Bartlett, the public face of the committee, that he completely endorsed the controversial interpretation.

"What you are trying to do on the rules committee is make people go for the ball," Matthews said on SEN radio.

"That's the essence of it and it's just taking a long time for players to get used to it.

"Umpires, I think, are OK, if you are in position, because if you are not in position, you can't see it. The flat hands, that's too easy to hold someone out, and there's no skill in that. It used to be that if you can use your forearm and keep your balance, then there's some skill in that."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21849189-2722,00.html
Title: "Hands-in-the-back discussion is bordering on hysteria" - Demetriou
Post by: one-eyed on June 05, 2007, 02:55:22 AM
AFL's remedy for angry fans
Richard Hinds | June 5, 2007 | The Age

GROWING disillusionment with the controversial hands-in-the-back rule will not force any immediate change, with AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou declaring his satisfaction with the new interpretation and the way it has been umpired.

"I think the hands-in-the-back discussion is bordering on hysteria," Demetriou said yesterday. "It is disproportionate to what the rule is doing. It is actually a pretty clear rule, and I think it is being umpired particularly well."

Swans coach Paul Roos repeated his condemnation of the rule at the weekend, saying it was creating "an enormous amount of frustration".

But Demetriou said there was no plan to review the rule and that some judgements had been premature. "I think people should just take a Bex and wait until the end of the year and look at the results over the course of the year, like we do," he said.

"You go and ask Leigh Matthews what he thinks. Paul (Roos) is entitled to his view. He is an excellent coach and I respect his view. But Leigh Matthews is entitled to his view, too and he loves the rule. That's why we have an independent laws-of-the-game committee that makes the rules with regard to everyone rather than leaving it to coaches because you can't get them all to agree anyway."

Demetriou suggested criticism of both the rule and the way it was umpired was a distraction from mistakes made by players. "There is far more discussion about the hands-in-the-back rule and umpiring decisions than there is about a player who misses a shot from goal 20 metres out," he said. "(Compared to) about 50 per cent of the times players convert, umpires have 84 or 85 per cent accuracy in their decision-making."

Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/afls-remedy-for-angry-fans/2007/06/04/1180809426066.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Title: Umpire reluctant to penalise Richo (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on June 11, 2007, 03:06:55 AM
Umpire reluctant to penalise Richo
Stathi Paxinos | June 11, 2007 | The Age

UMPIRE Brett Allen admitted that he wished he did not have to make the call that disallowed Matthew Richardson's potentially match-winning goal against Essendon last month.

Richmond spearhead Richardson thought he had sealed the Tigers' first win of the season when, with the scores level and minutes remaining in the round-nine clash, he outmarked Mal Michael and kicked a goal.

However, Allen ruled that Richardson had had his hands in the back of Michael during the marking contest.

The ruling was widely regarded as correct, even by Richardson, but thrust into the spotlight the controversial new interpretation of the law that was changed for this season.

Allen yesterday told 3AW that he stood by his decision, but would have preferred that the interpretation had not been changed.

"If I don't pay the free kicks that I am instructed to, I would give myself the flick so I'm going to continue to pay it," Allen said.

"Do I prefer to see it in? Well, probably not."

He also supported the idea of adding a fourth umpire to the field, which would help with in-the-back decisions.

"I think it's much more important now that we are in a side-on position to adjudicate that consistently," Allen said.

"The times that we are missing free kicks for hands in the back is when we are not side-on and I think four umpires would enable you to be in that side-on position all the time."

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/umpire-reluctant-to-penalise-richo/2007/06/10/1181414138882.html
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on June 11, 2007, 11:58:07 AM
Why bring this up now?  How many weeks ago did it happen?
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 11, 2007, 07:47:14 PM
Speaking of the hands in the back when we feel like paying it rule.

Have a look in the 3rd - Headland got paid a mark when he clearly put his hands in Polo's back. They got a goal from it - gave them the momentum.

And there in lies the problem with this rule - they pay it every so often as oppsed to every time  :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: wayne on June 11, 2007, 07:57:43 PM
Plenty today in the Pies vs. Dees clash... plenty missed I should say.

Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: one-eyed on June 12, 2007, 03:06:12 AM
Even poor old Mike Sheahan has changed his tune on the new interpretation. Got to suck up to those Pies supporters Mike to sell papers  :wallywink.

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Heavy handed ruling flawed
12 June 2007   Herald-Sun
Mike Sheahan

THE benefits of the hands-in-the-back interpretation, I fear, are outweighed by the negatives, Mike Sheahan writes.

That is a significant shift for me, but we have a messy situation that continues to frustrate players and infuriate supporters.

While the philosophy is correct, the implementation remains flawed, and always will be.

Better, I believe, to revert to the existing rule and impose it with more vigilance. At season's end.
.........
If the player in front is not pushed out of the contest, why is it a free kick?

The interpretation also encourages players to throw themselves forward, as Mal Michael was alleged to have done in his contest with Matthew Richardson a couple of weeks ago.

Recent history says changing rules is fraught with danger. Take the prior opportunity rule.

What is happening here? Early in the weekend players were pinged for simply planning to take possession; yesterday, players were permitted to try to elude opponents and then were dispossessed without penalty.

Nathan Buckley said recently rule changes took the focus from all that's good in the game and created more debate about umpiring inconsistency.

Perhaps we should treat the rule book like the American constitution, a body of fundamental principles that may be challenged, yet also is seen to stand the test of time.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21889813%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: one-eyed on June 13, 2007, 04:28:27 AM
Brett Allen got the all-clear from the AFL for saying he'd have preferred the new interpretation hadn't been brought in.

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Umpire Allen given all-clear
Len Johnson | June 13, 2007 | The Age

THE AFL yesterday waved "play on" in the matter of senior field umpire Brett Allen, who conceded in a weekend radio interview that he wished he did not have to make the call that disallowed Matthew Richardson's potentially matchwinning goal against Essendon last month.

Allen also stated quite explicitly during the 3AW interview that he would rather the interpretation that awards a free kick for any contact with the hands to an opponent's back in a marking contest had not been brought in.

"Do I prefer to see it in? Well, probably not," Allen said.

Coaches and players have been issued a "please explain" or fined by the AFL for comments on umpires and umpiring this season, but AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said yesterday that this would not apply to Allen who, in effect, was commenting on his own decision.

Richardson thought he had sealed the Tigers' first win of the season when, with the scores level and minutes remaining in the round-nine clash, he outmarked Essendon full-back Mal Michael and kicked a goal.

But Allen ruled that Richardson had placed his hands in the back of Michael during the marking contest. The ruling was widely regarded as correct, even by Richardson.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/umpire-allen-given-allclear/2007/06/12/1181414299423.html
Title: Mal Michael: It was a push (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on June 17, 2007, 03:12:20 AM
Michael: It was a push
17 June 2007   Sunday Herald Sun
Jon Ralph

ESSENDON full-back Mal Michael says the controversial Round 9 push-in-the-back free kick paid against opponent Matthew Richardson was definitely a free kick.

But he feels for the umpires being made to enforce the rules crackdown.

Michael revealed yesterday he has been forced to break with a decade of playing from behind opponents, and is now playing in front to cope with the new rule.

Early in the season there were fears Michael would be driven from the game as a result of the new interpretation, which saw him give away a host of free kicks in the Round 1 NAB Cup clash against Carlton.

He has slowly come to grips with the tightened interpretation and says, while Tigers' forward Richardson did infringe, it was a still only minimal contact.

"A push (in the back), probably no. I would say it was more of a nudge, but it's still a free kick. I feel sorry for the umpires because a lot of people come down on them," Michael said.

"I copped a fair bit early on and I wasn't willing to change, but if you don't change you keep getting free kicks against you.

"I didn't like (the rule) when it came in, primarily because of the fact I was giving away free kicks. You just have to change with the rules and that's what I have had to do.

"I have varied my starting points. The past three weeks I have tried to play in front. I always played from behind or the side."

Michael said it was now much harder for players with less reach to compete on the last line of defence.

"It was a very hard habit to break because it was my comfort zone.

"I felt most comfortable playing like that and then suddenly, from a defender's point of view, there were a lot of things that I used to do which were taken away from me and I had to find other ways of how I could be effective."

Fellow defender Dustin Fletcher says he has also adapted to the rule.

"I think when you push someone and extend your arms it should be a free kick," he said.

 "But the ones where they are coming back at you and you just put your hands there so they don't come back into your space, that is the tough one to get hold of."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21918146%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: mightytiges on June 23, 2007, 06:09:20 AM
Apart from one decision where the ump was out of position and guessed that Richo put his hands in Carroll's back (when they were into his side), the umps got the hands in the back interpretation correct most of the night which only confirmed how stupid it is. Let's pay the free to the player who is completely out of position running back into player who through skill and better judgement has obtained best position to take the mark ::). Talk about killing good contests in the game :banghead. 

As for Richo, he said on 3aw that after last night he needs to practice at training how to avoid giving away a free. We hate the rule but we've got to put up with it at least until the end of the season.

You can understand the big fella's frustration. He gets pinged for laying a fingernail in the back of his opponent while opponents crash into him without looking at the incoming footy, chop his arms, hold his arms and scrag him.

As for the standard of umpiring in the 3rd quarter  :chuck. Back to the lower grades No. 8.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: julzqld on June 23, 2007, 08:17:29 AM
When it came to Richo, yes I think the umpires got it right but not when it came to other players.  Bowden got pinged and there must have been 2 feet between him and the Melbourne player.  IIRC happened to Thursty as well.  Stupid rule though and really wrecks the game.  Very hard after 14 years playing senior level footy and something becomes automatic to then have to change it.
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: bluey_21 on June 23, 2007, 08:22:47 AM
When it came to Richo, yes I think the umpires got it right but not when it came to other players.  Bowden got pinged and there must have been 2 feet between him and the Melbourne player.  IIRC happened to Thursty as well.  Stupid rule though and really wrecks the game.  Very hard after 14 years playing senior level footy and something becomes automatic to then have to change it.

ditto
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: one-eyed on August 22, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
Richo after revenge over that free?

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Raines admits that the match will hold special significance for Matthew Richardson, who was furious when he had a goal disallowed late in the game when he was penalised for a hands in the back infringement.

“It’s still going to be in the back of our minds,” Raines said.

“The Richo decision, he wasn’t too happy with that. He might be out to make amends for it too. We’re all going out there with the same mentality we’ve had over the last few weeks, to go out there and have real crack at it and play one-on-one footy and take them on.”

http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=49515
Title: Re: Richo says push rule is 'pathetic' / Richo could face a fine
Post by: wayne on August 22, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
Richo after revenge over that free?

Fletcher is out this week isn't he?

Would the Bombers be silly eno..... nah they couldn't.......would they use Keplar Bradley on him again?  :pray
Title: Hands in the back rule
Post by: one-eyed on November 29, 2007, 03:55:43 AM
Adrian Anderson on the "hands in the back rule":

The Laws Committee considered "at length" a modification of the hands-in-the-back rule that would allow incidental contact, but felt it would make it impossible to umpire and would confuse fans.

Research showed a significant majority of the 289 free kicks paid for hands-in-the-back clearly affected the outcome of marking contests.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22839458%255E19742,00.html
Title: Re: Hands in the back rule
Post by: richmondrules on November 29, 2007, 06:55:25 AM
Adrian Anderson on the "hands in the back rule":

The Laws Committee considered "at length" a modification of the hands-in-the-back rule that would allow incidental contact, but felt it would make it impossible to umpire and would confuse fans.


I'm sorry? And the difference with what is happening now would be? The management school of say it's right enough times and it has to be.

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Research showed a significant majority of the 289 free kicks paid for hands-in-the-back clearly affected the outcome of marking contests.


There is no doubting that statement. Has completely changed the game. Wrecked a few careers in the process. Is it any better? I have never understood what problem this rules change has been trying to solve. Flooding is the main blight on the game IMO, does this rule help?
Title: Re: Hands in the back rule
Post by: DallasCrane on November 29, 2007, 10:49:02 AM
Adrian Anderson on the "hands in the back rule":

Research showed a significant majority of the 289 free kicks paid for hands-in-the-back clearly affected the outcome of marking contests.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22839458%255E19742,00.html

A significant majority?
I would say 100% of the free kicks affected the marking contest- ie: it was no longer a marking contest, it was a free.

The game is over administered both from Jolimont and on the ground....how would incidental contact confuse fans, nothing confused fans more than the interpretations we saw this year. Stop wrecking the game Anderson!
Title: Re: Hands in the back rule
Post by: Mr Magic on November 29, 2007, 01:41:09 PM
The Laws Committee considered "at length" a modification of the hands-in-the-back rule

For goodness sake.  >:(

The overwhelming majority of fans hate the incidental contact being penalised.

'Hand's in the back' should simply be 'Push in the back'!!!!!!

Why is it so hard? :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Hands in the back rule
Post by: WilliamPowell on November 29, 2007, 07:41:28 PM

Why is it so hard? :banghead :banghead :banghead

Because Andy D's little mate Adrian

1/ has to justify his employment at the AFL
2/ it gives him an opportunity to talk to the media
3/ because they don't want to admit the stuffed it up
Title: Re: Hands in the back rule
Post by: mightytiges on November 30, 2007, 02:22:28 PM
The Laws Committee considered "at length" a modification of the hands-in-the-back rule that would allow incidental contact, but felt it would make it impossible to umpire and would confuse fans.
As opposed to what the rule is currently where umps are guessing due to it being impossible to be in the right position most of the time and making most contests tosses of a coin ???  ::)