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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Bulluss on June 02, 2007, 10:41:13 PM
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If Terry wants to continue his senior coaching career, he had better take a good hard look at himself.
Game plan is terrible and he continues to let our players kick sideways, backwards etc etc
If this continues he will get sacked at years end, maybe even earlier.
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Tipping he will be gone by years end.
Plough might produce the crunch ball perhaps next week. ::)
And this is the same coach who bagged Clarkson for flooding two weeks ago, saying it was teribble ,then he goes and does the same tonite. ::)
Anybody who thinks Wallace is a good coach has little idea.
You cannot kick the ball backwards 20 metres continually and expect to win a game. Tonite was an absolute disgrace.
And any smart behind who thinks I am Wallace bashing-you really would want to think again., I told you all before ROUND 1 this year .
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Take a good look at yourself Tivendale
Take a good look at yourself White
Take a good look at yourself Schulz
Take a good look at yourself Sugar the dud captain
Take a good look at yourself Tuck
Take a good look at yourself Wallace
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simple solution is dont watch it & dont support it
why beat yourself up every week
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Most of the side is dumb. No vision, no awareness and worst of all slow thinkers.
They hold onto the ball after a mark and ignore first options in the clear. It's like they need 10 seconds think music before making a decision. So they hold onto the footy until everyone is manned up and then they're forced into short nothing kicks sideways and backwards.
We get the footy in the clear from the kick-in to a HBF and there's no one on the wing waiting for the next pass. Plough mentioned this in his press conference so players aren't following instructions or can't follow simple instructions. When there is the Tiger on the wing the teammate with the ball still holds onto the ball forever again until everyone is manned up.
When a Tiger gains clear possession from a pack goal side and he then runs back into the congestion and gets caught :banghead
Most of our forwards lead to the congested thin side when we have the ball on a HFF. If one of them went back to the goalsqaure and then lead out to the fat side they'd get a simple mark and shot on goal on a 45 degree angle.
Half our blokes in a game situation can't kick over a 40m distance through the goals on the full. They chip it like a golf chip instead of kicking through the ball.
Before the game when we were having our pre-game warm-up you can see us hit our targets and nailing goals. Once the pressure of a game is on and they don't have infinite time to think nor are allowed by the opposition to run an extra step or two, the skills and decision making go to pieces. You have to train as you play. We don't train under any physically pressure at all and it shows come gameday. Plough needs to fix this up over the preseason big time if he is too survive another year.
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Most of the side is dumb. No vision, no awareness and worst of all slow thinkers.
They hold onto the ball after a mark and ignore first options in the clear. It's like they need 10 seconds think music before making a decision. So they hold onto the footy until everyone is manned up and then they're forced into short nothing kicks sideways and backwards.
We get the footy in the clear from the kick-in to a HBF and there's no one on the wing waiting for the next pass. Plough mentioned this in his press conference so players aren't following instructions or can't follow simple instructions. When there is the Tiger on the wing the teammate with the ball still holds onto the ball forever again until everyone is manned up.
When a Tiger gains clear possession from a pack goal side and he then runs back into the congestion and gets caught :banghead
Most of our forwards lead to the congested thin side when we have the ball on a HFF. If one of them went back to the goalsqaure and then lead out to the fat side they'd get a simple mark and shot on goal on a 45 degree angle.
Half our blokes in a game situation can't kick over a 40m distance through the goals on the full. They chip it like a golf chip instead of kicking through the ball.
Before the game when we were having our pre-game warm-up you can see us hit our targets and nailing goals. Once the pressure of a game is on and they don't have infinite time to think nor are allowed by the opposition to run an extra step or two, the skills and decision making go to pieces. You have to train as you play. We don't train under any physically pressure at all and it shows come gameday. Plough needs to fix this up over the preseason big time if he is too survive another year.
MT.
You are correct.
Plough is to blame.
thank god we have only 12 rounds left of Ploughs rubbish
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sheeds did the same thing to sydney
that great up and coming goal to goal line of michael 29 fletch 32 hird 34 lucas lloyd 30 had the experience to get the points
silver lining thank god we dont have sheeds as coach........finished
the dons are screwed in 2 years
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MT.
You are correct.
Plough is to blame.
thank god we have only 12 rounds left of Ploughs rubbish
Plough is to blame Jack. ??? Perhaps we are all to blame
Let me see as MT said - during the warm-up they got out there and kick throw the ball no floating floating passes. They hit targets, they practice running in numbers etc.
Then in a game situation they don't do any of those things and that's the coaches fault. Sorry that is the fault of the players who for whatever reason in the heat of battle turn to jelly. That is a player issue.
Now before you go off and say he picked the players ::) ::) there is only so much a coach and coaches can do - a great deak of it has to be the responsibility of the player
Are you seriously telling me that it was the coaches fault that during the last quarter that there were so many turnovers - he wasn't the one kicking ithe bloody thing.
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MT.
You are correct.
Plough is to blame.
thank god we have only 12 rounds left of Ploughs rubbish
Plough is to blame Jack. ??? Perhaps we are all to blame
Let me see as MT said - during the warm-up they got out there and kick throw the ball no floating floating passes. They hit targets, they practice running in numbers etc.
Then in a game situation they don't do any of those things and that's the coaches fault. Sorry that is the fault of the players who for whatever reason in the heat of battle turn to jelly. That is a player issue.
Now before you go off and say he picked the players ::) ::) there is only so much a coach and coaches can do - a great deak of it has to be the responsibility of the player
Are you seriously telling me that it was the coaches fault that during the last quarter that there were so many turnovers - he wasn't the one kicking ithe bloody thing.
Our game plan and skills have not improved since Terry has been our coach, so who do we blame for that?
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MT.
You are correct.
Plough is to blame.
thank god we have only 12 rounds left of Ploughs rubbish
Plough is to blame Jack. ??? Perhaps we are all to blame
Let me see as MT said - during the warm-up they got out there and kick throw the ball no floating floating passes. They hit targets, they practice running in numbers etc.
Then in a game situation they don't do any of those things and that's the coaches fault. Sorry that is the fault of the players who for whatever reason in the heat of battle turn to jelly. That is a player issue.
Now before you go off and say he picked the players ::) ::) there is only so much a coach and coaches can do - a great deak of it has to be the responsibility of the player
Are you seriously telling me that it was the coaches fault that during the last quarter that there were so many turnovers - he wasn't the one kicking ithe bloody thing.
I agree WP that the players must execute the game plan, but Wallace has had 3 years almost to get the players used to this game plan.
Still we cant do it, surely Wallace has to take some blame.
Only person who currently tries to run and carry is King. He will get brain washed and next year will be kicking backwards.
What a rabble.
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Our game plan and skills have not improved since Terry has been our coach, so who do we blame for that?
I blame them all.
The easiest thing in the world is to blame the coach - historically it is the Richmond way. :banghead :banghead And seems sadly to me at least (and I've been floowing this team over 30 years) nothing much has changed. As yet again I see we have people calling fo the another coach to be sacked.
But coaches can only do so much. In the heat of battle it is not the coach who doesn't hit a target from 35 metres away. A coach can instruct them and instruct them but the final act is the responsibility of the player executing the skill.
I'll ask you this - is it the fault of Terry Wallace that Kent Kingsley didn't even make the distance from 35mts out in the last quarter ??? Nope that's Kent's fault because he doesn't have enough self-belief that he can kick the bloody thing.
As for saying our game plan hasn't improved - struth in the last 2 years I reckon the vast majority thought our gasme plan wasn't to shabby when we won 10 games in 2005 and 11 games in 2006. ::)
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Only person who currently tries to run and carry is King.
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If anything, I think too many try to run and carry now and get into trouble.
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I agree WP that the players must execute the game plan, but Wallace has had 3 years almost to get the players used to this game plan.
Still we cant do it, surely Wallace has to take some blame.
Only person who currently tries to run and carry is King. He will get brain washed and next year will be kicking backwards.
What a rabble.
As I said Bull (sorry bad typo early in the morning) perhaps we are all to blame
I am not saying he shouldn't take some blame Bull but to say he should take ALL the blame is laughable IMHO.
You give me the name of one coach in the AFL, VFL, SANFL, WAFL or even the Ovens & King League that would improve things at this stage with the 1/ the injury list we've got or the actual young list we have?
John Worsfold is bloody good coach but he also has a very good list that has been developed over 5 odd years.
That's what we have to do. What we are finally doing and BTW is what everyone has been crying out for, for the last 10 years and we still aren't happy.
To be honest I am not exactly sure what it is people want or if they know what they want
:gotigers
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Our game plan and skills have not improved since Terry has been our coach, so who do we blame for that?
I blame them all.
I'll ask you this - is it the fault of Terry Wallace that Kent Kingsley didn't even make the distance from 35mts out in the last quarter ??? Nope that's Kent's fault because he doesn't have enough self-belief that he can kick the bloody thing.
As for saying our game plan hasn't improved - struth in the last 2 years I reckon the vast majority thought our gasme plan wasn't to shabby when we won 10 games in 2005 and 11 games in 2007. ::)
our game plan is a sham, and has not improved.
is it Terry's fault Go Kent cant kick 30 for goal? yes , because terry wanted him and selected him
who keeps guys like Shane tuck and gregory Chippendale in our team, terry! so who do we blame for that? who do we blame that guys like jack din not get a real chance but guys like tuck, tivs petts continually play badly and continually get games.
who do we blame terry
i may be a Sheila but i know that terry cannot coach, and its about time everyone who have been bluffed by Terry's gay tanned looks and spin wake up and realise that terry should only be coaching an under 12's team but thats how he coaches
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Our game plan and skills have not improved since Terry has been our coach, so who do we blame for that?
I blame them all.
I'll ask you this - is it the fault of Terry Wallace that Kent Kingsley didn't even make the distance from 35mts out in the last quarter ??? Nope that's Kent's fault because he doesn't have enough self-belief that he can kick the bloody thing.
As for saying our game plan hasn't improved - struth in the last 2 years I reckon the vast majority thought our gasme plan wasn't to shabby when we won 10 games in 2005 and 11 games in 2007. ::)
our game plan is a sham, and has not improved.
is it Terry's fault Go Kent cant kick 30 for goal? yes , because terry wanted him and selected him
who keeps guys like Shane tuck and gregory Chippendale in our team, terry! so who do we blame for that? who do we blame that guys like jack din not get a real chance but guys like tuck, tivs petts continually play badly and continually get games.
who do we blame terry
i may be a Sheila but i know that terry cannot coach, and its about time everyone who have been bluffed by Terry's gay tanned looks and spin wake up and realise that terry should only be coaching an under 12's team but thats how he coaches
Go Kent.
I believe you are correct.
Kent Kingsley should never ever been drafted to our club.
Ask the people form Geelong, he was finished last year
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MT.
You are correct.
Plough is to blame.
thank god we have only 12 rounds left of Ploughs rubbish
Plough is to blame Jack. ??? Perhaps we are all to blame
Let me see as MT said - during the warm-up they got out there and kick throw the ball no floating floating passes. They hit targets, they practice running in numbers etc.
Then in a game situation they don't do any of those things and that's the coaches fault. Sorry that is the fault of the players who for whatever reason in the heat of battle turn to jelly. That is a player issue.
Now before you go off and say he picked the players ::) ::) there is only so much a coach and coaches can do - a great deak of it has to be the responsibility of the player
Are you seriously telling me that it was the coaches fault that during the last quarter that there were so many turnovers - he wasn't the one kicking ithe bloody thing.
Can tell you this WP.
Watched training with MT a few weeks ago.
The training is an absolute disgrace.
The kick high balls at training, they kick to contests ina forward 50 structure.
The coach is too blame. who would you blame for the disgraceful training ? the bootstudder or the doorman ?
Its no secret I watch all clubs train and its no surprise to me to see the tiges on the bottom.
Some of you people who post here should go and have a look at opposition clubs train and even go to a neutral game.
You all might wake up from dreamland
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To be honest I am not exactly sure what it is people want or if they know what they want
:gotigers
I think what 'we' want is a team that is full of our old players and half decent cast offs from other teams, who can play a good game every now and then and win every third week or so and finish ninth and enable us to sing the song every so often.
Whilst in a secret location we can be building a team of promising youngsters who can bust out and conquer the world when they are ready.
Hmm maybe somewhere in history that has been tried already? ::)
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some of us do go to alot of other games jackstar ;D
watch them train & rubbed shoulders with them on the track ;D
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some of us do go to alot of other games jackstar ;D
watch them train & rubbed shoulders with them on the track ;D
So you should then realise how bad with are then?
Go and watch the kangas play and you will see a TEAM that has a fair dinkum crack!
They dont wax up in the back half either
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thats cause there not coached by a idiot
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anyway l must fly l got some coaching to do
fingers X we win going forward quickly see some fine grabs over the packs with little blackies at there feet kicking goals there is nothing more exciting cyas next week
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sheeds did the same thing to sydney
that great up and coming goal to goal line of michael 29 fletch 32 hird 34 lucas lloyd 30 had the experience to get the points
silver lining thank god we dont have sheeds as coach........finished
the dons are screwed in 2 years
yeah your right mate ... essendon are kidding themselves i say ...
but i can't see anything from us ... just the young kids ??? how ??? they don't know how to win matches ...
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MT.
You are correct.
Plough is to blame.
thank god we have only 12 rounds left of Ploughs rubbish
who do you want to see coaching next year Jackstar?
Are the kids talented, or are they duds as well?
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i may be a Sheila but i know that terry cannot coach, and its about time everyone who have been bluffed by Terry's gay tanned looks and spin wake up and realise that terry should only be coaching an under 12's team but thats how he coaches
I don't know of any females who would call themselves "a sheila". Reckon I still don't. :D
Don't know any who would infer they know little because they're female either.
Apologies if my perception is incorrect. On the bright side, you definitely proved you know little with that bit about the under 12's. :)
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i may be a Sheila but i know that terry cannot coach, and its about time everyone who have been bluffed by Terry's gay tanned looks and spin wake up and realise that terry should only be coaching an under 12's team but thats how he coaches
I don't know of any females who would call themselves "a sheila". Reckon I still don't. :D
Don't know any who would infer they know little because they're female either.
Apologies if my perception is incorrect. On the bright side, you definitely proved you know little with that bit about the under 12's. :)
Maybe a sex change, Fish ;)
Xtremely strange!
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MT.
You are correct.
Plough is to blame.
thank god we have only 12 rounds left of Ploughs rubbish
I didn't say that Jack. I said if he wants to survive Plough needs to add more physically and time pressure to training because most of our players are too thick and slow in the head to understand basic football strategy at AFL level. The Hawks have a game simulator out at Waverley. We need to get one too at Punt Rd. We'd be better off Crazy John sponsoring and buying a simulator for us or pumping money into our recruiting than just wanting to be Prez or paying out Wallace. We need practical measures not egos nor more of the same 25 years of "sack the coach and all our troubles will be solved".
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And any smart behind who thinks I am Wallace bashing-you really would want to think again., I told you all before ROUND 1 this year .
Yep, you've been Wallace bashing since before round 1.
I like your insight on the club as someone who used to be inside. :thumbsup
I find your constant anti-Wallace messages and spamming of topics with it tiresome.
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And any smart behind who thinks I am Wallace bashing-you really would want to think again., I told you all before ROUND 1 this year .
Yep, you've been Wallace bashing since before round 1.
I like your insight on the club as someone who used to be inside. :thumbsup
I find your constant anti-Wallace messages and spamming of topics with it tiresome.
Well its the truth, like it or not.
Last nights game was nearly the worst game I have ever witnesssed.
How many turnovers were there.
We got flogged at clearances.
Wallace gets double what the prime minister gets and is basically unaccountbale for his constant mistakes, if you want me to start I will.
fact, he was told NOT to take Kingsley as this was not the policy of the board to take anyone over 25, but he still went and did it.
The decision to make Kane Johnson captain was a huge mistake, blind man freddy can see that.The recruiting over the past 2 years is a joke, have a look where Collingwood and Hawthorn are at the minute.
Keeping in mind Hawthorn were exactly where we were 3 years ago.
And he and his coaching staff have lost the respect of the player group, we hardly play with passion do we ::)
Go and watch training and you will see what a sham it really is, they actually practise mistakes at training .
I could go on and on.but its boring
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Isn't funny watching feral richmond fans jump off the bandwagon as quickly as they get on :rollin .
Wait a minute there was no bandwagon to get on in the first place :rollin
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simple solution is dont watch it & dont support it
why beat yourself up every week
Well you have to ask, if that's your philosophy why do you then come here and whinge about the game etc?
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I've got no problem with you having an opinion, Jack.
My problem is you post the same thing in multiple topics. Some of those topics have nothing to do with Wallace.
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Point taken.
Although most of our problems have a common theme
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I find it ironic that when we were winning some games two years ago that every one was commenting on Wallace as being a genius coach, but now that we are zip-9-1 he is nothing but a complete hack
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Here's a hypothetical question: Just supposing Simmo and Browny weren't injured. Would we still be in the hole we are in now? The absence of these two players is really hurting us.
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Here's a hypothetical question: Just supposing Simmo and Browny weren't injured. Would we still be in the hole we are in now? The absence of these two players is really hurting us.
IMO Simmo is the catalyst of our problems. Not having him means we are getting absolutely dominated at the ruck contests
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The recruiting over the past 2 years is a joke, have a look where Collingwood and Hawthorn are at the minute.
Keeping in mind Hawthorn were exactly where we were 3 years ago.
No other club went through a period where they recruited 1 KPP in 5 years. It's also crap the Hawks and Pies have young sides. Blokes like Boyle did nothing for 4-5 years and are only now coming good. It's all these 5-8 year players that have clicked this year for the Hawks. The Pies are still relying mainly on their back-to-back GF players. They both were nowhere near we were/are coming from.
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IMO Simmo is the catalyst of our problems. Not having him means we are getting absolutely dominated at the ruck contests
Yeah and Patto just doesn't quite make it in the looks department ;)
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IMO Simmo is the catalyst of our problems. Not having him means we are getting absolutely dominated at the ruck contests
Yeah and Patto just doesn't quite make it in the looks department ;)
let's keep the conversation on footy Julz :lol
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I find it ironic that when we were winning some games two years ago that every one was commenting on Wallace as being a genius coach, but now that we are zip-9-1 he is nothing but a complete hack
Can explain that.'His game plan has changed dramatically.. His assistants have changed.
No one here would no the extent of what David Wheedon and Steve Alessio did behind the scenes.
David Wheedon is now at geelong overseeing the coaching staff there and mentoring Bomber
And the recruiting has been poor in both types of drafts-eg Kingsley, P. Bowden ,Knobel please. ::)
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Just get Wheadon and Allessio back and problem fixed then :thumbsup
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Well why has his game plan changed so dramatically? When did it change? Shouldn't the players take some responsibility as well?
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Who knows.
Everytime they gain possesion they look sideways not forward.
Go and have a good look at tapes from 2005 and 2006.
Might just add thaht the hawks have got some great pick ups in the past 2-3 years.
Players such as Lewis, Roughead, Franklin,Taylor, Ellis, Dowler, Birchall, Bailey, Muston, Young, Gilham and McGlynn are much better in skills and are overall better talented than our picks.
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Hmmm - dunno about that. I've only heard of 3 of them :-\
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Hmmm - dunno about that. I've only heard of 3 of them :-\
As a matter of interest, which 3 ?
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i may be a Sheila but i know that terry cannot coach, and its about time everyone who have been bluffed by Terry's gay tanned looks and spin wake up and realise that terry should only be coaching an under 12's team but thats how he coaches
I don't know of any females who would call themselves "a sheila". Reckon I still don't. :D
Don't know any who would infer they know little because they're female either.
Apologies if my perception is incorrect. On the bright side, you definitely proved you know little with that bit about the under 12's. :)
Maybe a sex change, Fish ;)
Xtremely strange!
you have lost me there, have i missed something. i guess that is what happens when you are new to a site ???
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Who knows.
Everytime they gain possesion they look sideways not forward.
Go and have a good look at tapes from 2005 and 2006.
Might just add thaht the hawks have got some great pick ups in the past 2-3 years.
Players such as Lewis, Roughead, Franklin,Taylor, Ellis, Dowler, Birchall, Bailey, Muston, Young, Gilham and McGlynn are much better in skills and are overall better talented than our picks.
Many of those whilst elite youngsters are yet to be proven at senior level.
Lewis, Roughead, Franklin and Birchall have made their mark
Taylor is a plodder.
Ellis looks OK
Dowler is struggling at Box Hill
Bailey did a knee so can't say much
Muston is a freak but yet to do anything at AFL or VFL level for that matter
Young is OK
Gilham skinny but probably will make it
McGlyn don't rate, thinks he is much better than he actually is
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Hate to disappoint you Bluey
McGlynn is a gun.
Taylor was good today in the ruck.
Would say that McGlynn is just as good as Foley even better
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You have your opinions Jack, and I have mine. If we disagree then we disagree
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Taylor is 25. Hardly a kid.
The Hawks had 12 players playing today that they had on their 2003 list:
Bateman, Boyle, Brown, Campbell, Crawford, Dixon, Hodge, Mitchell, Osbourne#, Sewell#, Smith and Taylor.
Missing were Clarke, Ladson, Vandenberg, Williams.
Geez that's most of their best 22 in 2007.
The Pies had 14 from 2003 against Freo on Friday night with Bucks, Clement and Licuria missing. Once again most of their best 22 in 2007.
We had just 7 from 2003 playing Saturday night: Joel, Sugar, Newman, Petts, Richo, Schulz, Tivs.
Missing were Cogs, Hyde, Krak, Moore#
This myth that the Hawks and us started from the same point is crap. Same goes comparing us with the Pies. Even the Blues had 10 players from 2003 in their side today.
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There is no point arguing facts MT.
We as a supporter group are ferals.
We want the team to tank and take the best kids, yet at the same time win all the games :wallywink
We say the players are schit, yet want to sack the coach because he can't make them superstars...even though they are schit ;)::)
We complain when the media call us favourites for the spoon, then say we knew all along we were schit, the coach is schit, the players are schit.
And we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it and we say it, and we say it, :banghead
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Might just add thaht the hawks have got some great pick ups in the past 2-3 years.
Players such as Lewis, Roughead, Franklin,Taylor, Ellis, Dowler, Birchall, Bailey, Muston, Young, Gilham and McGlynn are much better in skills and are overall better talented than our picks.
You forget to mention that the Hawks have also had a heap more early picks than us in the last 2 years, including priority picks. It does give them a lot of extra help when comparing our drafting over the last 2 years.
I agree that McGlynn is looking good at the moment
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There is no point arguing facts MT.
We as a supporter group are ferals.
We want the team to tank and take the best kids, yet at the same time win all the games :wallywink
We say the players are schit, yet want to sack the coach because he can't make them superstars...even though they are schit ;)::)
We complain when the media call us favourites for the spoon, then say we knew all along we were schit, the coach is schit, the players are schit.
And we say it, and we say it, and we say it, and we say it, ....
:banghead
Exactly Fwoy - that was the point I tried to make early this morning. I have no idea what people actually want.
Before the season started there were so many people who said we'd win the spoon and be lucky to win half a dozen games. Guess what it looks like they were right and .....
guess what they are complaining because they think we should be winning.
We have a young list that's not an excuse it is fact because I keep reading about "facts" but shock horror I keep reading that the state of out list is a bad thing. We don't win, have a young list and that's a bad thing because .. well it's just bad.
But at the same time people don't want us to win because we want the first pick in the draft. Like hello what is we want.....
If we want to deal in facts ..well from where I am sitting these are the facts.. With the exception of the Geelong game and the first half of the Port Adel game we have been absolutely competitive in every single one of them. Yes we should have won a couple of them but we haven't.
Without doubt put Simmonds back in the team and we win games - no doubt. Put Brown back in that side just in last nights game and we would have won IMHO
There has been improvement - look at Foley. this time last year a number of people said he wouldn't make it.Right now after 10 rounds he would be leading the B&F. Jake King has been a find for us when alot of people question why we rookied him. We've had a glimps of Edwards and he looks good. I've seen Jack, Connors, Clingan running around at Coburg and it doesn't look half bad. I've seen Thursfield comeback from a horrific knee injury and looks like a 10 year FB for us...
But that's not what we want is it .... whatever
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Name Names :scream
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Name Names :scream
??? Who are you asking to name names Ramps
I am confused ;D :help
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Those that talk the most think they are always right...actually they are just reptititive.
WHO is the messiah that will take on the Richmond job? Especially with the knowledge that there are numerous people waiting in the wings to bitch and moan and stab them in the back the instant they make a mistake. Bitterness smothers almost everything written on this board sometimes. :whistle
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McGlynn is a gem. I'm hoping Jake King turns out to be our equivalent.
Seem to recall someone at Richmond, maybe Dale Weightman, talking him up and saying he was a family friend or relative.
Someone here might know.
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McGlynn is a gem. I'm hoping Jake King turns out to be our equivalent.
Seem to recall someone at Richmond, maybe Dale Weightman, talking him up and saying he was a family friend or relative.
Someone here might know.
Wouldnt Foley already be the equivalent?
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McGlynn is a gem. I'm hoping Jake King turns out to be our equivalent.
Seem to recall someone at Richmond, maybe Dale Weightman, talking him up and saying he was a family friend or relative.
Someone here might know.
You're right FF. McGlynn's uncle was the Flea's best man at his wedding. Flea has known the McGlynn family for years. McGlynn comes from Wentworth which is across the Murray from Mildura where Flea came from.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21817399%255E19742,00.html
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Wouldnt Foley already be the equivalent?
Possibly. I'm thinking more along the lines of coming from the VFL at a more mature age and cracking it at AFL level. McGlynn has a year on Jake. Look to be similar players too.
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Exactly Fwoy - that was the point I tried to make early this morning. I have no idea what people actually want.
Killer post Fwoyken :thumbsup
Well WP,
My story is as follows.
I believe Wallace is doing a decent job at coaching a side maligned firstly by injury to KPs and secondly,inexperienced kids.
I believe he,like anyone that acheives anything,has made bad decisions regarding the footy club but overall is
moving forward using what "tools" he can find(pardon the pun) at this given time.
I think his decision making initially was somewhat governed by the wrath of the feral Tiger-man but hey,who can blame him.
When your team captain makes a crucial mistake like he did last nite in the final qtr one can hardly blame coaching...
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Hmmm - dunno about that. I've only heard of 3 of them :-\
As a matter of interest, which 3 ?
Lewis, Roughead and Franklin. And then I don't know too much about Lewis. Franklin, everyone knows about and I'm not too sure what the go with Roughead is at the moment. Never heard of McGlynn.
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Many of those whilst elite youngsters are yet to be proven at senior level.
Lewis, Roughead, Franklin and Birchall have made their mark - Lewis, Franklin and Birchall are miles ahead of Deledio and Tambling
Taylor is a plodder. - So is patto, but Taylor can win hitouts
Ellis looks OK
Dowler is struggling at Box Hill
Bailey did a knee so can't say much
Muston is a freak but yet to do anything at AFL or VFL level for that matter - Connors, Meyer and Casserley
Young is OK
Gilham skinny but probably will make it
McGlyn don't rate, thinks he is much better than he actually is - He did ok yesterday, goal from 50 on the left, then one on the right
It's about time we stopped living in the fantasy world thinking the Hawks have drafted badly, they haven't.
We have either drafted badly, or have guys in charge of player development who are hopeless.
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You forget to mention that the Hawks have also had a heap more early picks than us in the last 2 years, including priority picks. It does give them a lot of extra help when comparing our drafting over the last 2 years.
I agree that McGlynn is looking good at the moment
Apart from Ellis, Thorp and Dowler all of Hawthorns players were available to us at one point or another in the drafts.
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simple solution is dont watch it & dont support it
why beat yourself up every week
Well you have to ask, if that's your philosophy why do you then come here and whinge about the game etc?
why you ask ???
is because why sit and watch a game you know your not going to like & enjoy
l like footy in general & like watching professionals & champions if l'm paying for it thats why if say Richmond & Collingwood are playing & there are alot of Collingwood players out l wont go watch that game just for the sake of a win
l am paying for it buying memberships every year since 1980 which these days l buy 5
l come here to whinge cause l dont support what l see
like everyone else watching my club go down the yarra because if the players aint performing to what you coach stuffing sack them cause they dont know what league football is all about & if the coach dont perform stuffing sack him too
if any Richmond supporter can say they like what there seeing is a fool who would follow a goat off a cliff
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Here's a hypothetical question: Just supposing Simmo and Browny weren't injured. Would we still be in the hole we are in now? The absence of these two players is really hurting us.
IMO Simmo is the catalyst of our problems. Not having him means we are getting absolutely dominated at the ruck contests
Common sence has prevailed
yes because we getting beaten in the ruck not letting our midfielders take control
but our midfielders should also learn to ruck the opposition ruck
but the main problem is we are missing our ruckmen dropping back to cut off the big forwards leads taking the saving marks like my old mate Benny Gale how l wish he was young again
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I find it ironic that when we were winning some games two years ago that every one was commenting on Wallace as being a genius coach, but now that we are zip-9-1 he is nothing but a complete hack
Can explain that.'His game plan has changed dramatically.. His assistants have changed.
No one here would no the extent of what David Wheedon and Steve Alessio did behind the scenes.
David Wheedon is now at geelong overseeing the coaching staff there and mentoring Bomber
And the recruiting has been poor in both types of drafts-eg Kingsley, P. Bowden ,Knobel please. ::)
them players aint been on the field jackstar so thats nowhere near the problem
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Might just add thaht the hawks have got some great pick ups in the past 2-3 years.
Players such as Lewis, Roughead, Franklin,Taylor, Ellis, Dowler, Birchall, Bailey, Muston, Young, Gilham and McGlynn are much better in skills and are overall better talented than our picks.
You forget to mention that the Hawks have also had a heap more early picks than us in the last 2 years, including priority picks. It does give them a lot of extra help when comparing our drafting over the last 2 years.
I agree that McGlynn is looking good at the moment
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Fwoy and MT - you're right on the money with your above posts
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Hmmm - dunno about that. I've only heard of 3 of them :-\
As a matter of interest, which 3 ?
Lewis, Roughead and Franklin. And then I don't know too much about Lewis. Franklin, everyone knows about and I'm not too sure what the go with Roughead is at the moment. Never heard of McGlynn.
Never heard of McGlynn ::) He is a gun, kicked 3 goals yesterday
Birchall is real good,
Taylor great in the ruck yesterday
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No - never heard of him. Don't think he's rated a mention this far north. But then I don't really care about the Hawks.
Tigermonk: you said simple solution, don't watch it, don't support it. Fair enough. If I know we've lost a game, which I've taped I don't bother watching it. Why torture yourself? But you went and watched the replay, thereby torturing yourself. This I don't understand. It contradicts what you said. You are definitely sound like X - "I buy some many memberships" - who cares? It's not about big noting yourself but supporting your club.
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I'm with Julz, I think the dawkers have done OK in their recruiting but I just dont give a stuff about them ... My focus is with the Richmond side.
As allready mentioned Hawthorn have more of a core of experienced players playing with the young guys.
First thing I must say is I never really expected Wallace to be able to fix our list in a couple of years from where we were at.
Will be able to make a judgement when the 5 year mark is hit and dont really think changing coaches is going to change anything at all for the positive of the club.
Second take the Ruck options and the Best forward out of most of the teams in the AFL and performances are going to diminish at any club, moreso ours as we have young guys that really miss this experience and leadership, wheras some clubs are able to cover these better they would still be affected albeit to a lesser degree.
I can understand some points some make about Wallace, but also see personal agendas interfering with perceptions of his performance also.
Point in question being one B Deledio ... I have said before I beleive his best spot and where he will play the majority of his football for the club willl be in the midfield, but ATM he mayaswell be gaining experience in other areas to make him a more complete footballer in the long term and when we become a good side he will be able to cover position as/when required to win games of football.
I am not saying we are going to storm into the 8 next year but we aren't as far off as some people like to make out .... and FFS cant some people just support the club otherwise if you h8 what you see so much go follow someone else fickle frockers :banghead
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Hey Jack - guess who made a mention in today's paper :lol
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Hey Jack - guess who made a mention in today's paper :lol
Who? McGlynn ?
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I feel a little like the average joe bloe whos car wont start. I look under hood and see lots of things that could be the casue of the problem but becasue I am not a mechanic or work in the industry I just don't know for sure what is wrong. All I know is that the dam thing wont go.
Now it been a long time (27 years) since my car has won a race. All I realy want is for somebody (anybdoy) to tune it and make it go becasue I realy love this car and want to be competitive with it. Maybe the car needs to be pulled apart (again) and rebuilt but maybe is just a matter of fine tuning. Please sombody not just tell me what wrong but fix it.
:gotigers please
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FT,
It's real cold at the moment and you forgot to put antifreeze (Troy Simmonds and Nathan Brown) into the radiator.
You're going to have to wait until the temperature warms up a bit (the young players get more experienced and Simmo and Brown (and Cogs for that matter) are fit again) and then the engine will start.
In future I suggest you make sure the anti-freeze is there (better list management so you can afford certain injuries) and the car will start in all conditions.
The car will start soon. It might kangaroo jump (have some inconsistent performance) for a little while. But soon enough it will strat running smoothly. Just get the anti-freeze (balanced list) in there.
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FT,
Or you could get a old woman to fix it - Richo to kick a bag this week lol
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What? Goals or the old woman?
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What? Goals or the old woman?
:rollin
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Those that talk the most think they are always right...actually they are just reptititive.
WHO is the messiah that will take on the Richmond job? Especially with the knowledge that there are numerous people waiting in the wings to bitch and moan and stab them in the back the instant they make a mistake. Bitterness smothers almost everything written on this board sometimes. :whistle
I agree that some posts show bitterness, however, just because Richmond had a history of sacking coaches in the 80's willy nilly doesn't mean that todays coaches shouldn't be exempt from criticism.
I mean heck Spud got 5 years, probably 2 more than he deserved because the administration pleaded with the supporters to leave coaches alone to do their job, we did that, (well until a certain Adelaide game anyway) and look where it got us. Add to that the fact that Wallace is on around $600,000 per year, which is around about twice as much as the Prime Minister gets, so there is no reason that he should not be under the same scrunity as Johnny Howard, Kevin Rudd or Steve Bracks.
I'd like to see critiques of Wallace that are more well rounded, less repetitive, and based on fact. Which would include divulging information on this forum, which some people are loathe to do.
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No one here would no the extent of what David Wheedon and Steve Alessio did behind the scenes.
David Wheedon is now at geelong overseeing the coaching staff there and mentoring Bomber
And the recruiting has been poor in both types of drafts-eg Kingsley, P. Bowden ,Knobel please. ::)
Jacko what did Wheadon do in the 'Frawley' era, behind the scenes, that resulted in on field success?
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can tell you this.
He is miles better than the current assistants in regards to strategies etc.
He developed the RFC TAFE which was dropped at the start of this year for the NAB 15 concept.
He has currently released a book on coaching techniques which is a very good read. Anyone who had coached football at any level would benefit by this book.
He has also re written the current coaching manuals for AFL.( all levels)
If you get a chance, ask any of the players there opinion of David, can tell you he is held in high regard, unfortunately he wasnt a ""terry man"" and thus got the flick.
Can tell you that Wayne Campbell was a huge rap for him .
The cats seem to be going along nicely dont you think
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Exactly Fwoy - that was the point I tried to make early this morning. I have no idea what people actually want.
Killer post Fwoyken :thumbsup
Well WP,
My story is as follows.
I believe Wallace is doing a decent job at coaching a side maligned firstly by injury to KPs and secondly,inexperienced kids.
I believe he,like anyone that acheives anything,has made bad decisions regarding the footy club but overall is
moving forward using what "tools" he can find(pardon the pun) at this given time.
I think his decision making initially was somewhat governed by the wrath of the feral Tiger-man but hey,who can blame him.
When your team captain makes a crucial mistake like he did last nite in the final qtr one can hardly blame coaching...
:bow :bow :cheers :cheers :clapping :clapping :thumbsup :thumbsup
Thanks ())( - great summation
I agree that some posts show bitterness, however, just because Richmond had a history of sacking coaches in the 80's willy nilly doesn't mean that todays coaches shouldn't be exempt from criticism.
I mean heck Spud got 5 years, probably 2 more than he deserved because the administration pleaded with the supporters to leave coaches alone to do their job, we did that, (well until a certain Adelaide game anyway) and look where it got us. Add to that the fact that Wallace is on around $600,000 per year, which is around about twice as much as the Prime Minister gets, so there is no reason that he should not be under the same scrunity as Johnny Howard, Kevin Rudd or Steve Bracks.
I'd like to see critiques of Wallace that are more well rounded, less repetitive, and based on fact. Which would include divulging information on this forum, which some people are loathe to do.
Have no problem with people being critical Dallas. He should come under scrutiny but to apportion all blame for all and any of our woes this season is way over the top, just like the standard let's sack the coach mentality that seems to festering yet again.
If there are people out there (the ones I refer to as the faceless) who are scheming and plotting some sort of mutiny then I find that unacceptable because they are not the majority, nor do they represent the majority they at this point in time the faceless minority who think they are far more important than everyone else.
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He is miles better than the current assistants in regards to strategies etc.
Didn't seem to help us much in '04 when our strategies I thought were the worst in the comp.
He developed the RFC TAFE which was dropped at the start of this year for the NAB 15 concept.
I wasn't aware that he was behind what was an excellent program. What a pity it couldn't help the likes of Ty Zantuck!
The cats seem to be going along nicely dont you think
They are flying, probably for a number of reasons, if Wheadon is one of them then good luck to Geelong, his strategies didn't have that sort of impact at Richmond!
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If there are people out there (the ones I refer to as the faceless) who are scheming and plotting some sort of mutiny then I find that unacceptable because they are not the majority, nor do they represent the majority they at this point in time the faceless minority who think they are far more important than everyone else.
WP, are these the same sort of (faceless) people, who get on forums such as this, and start trying to spread rumours that there is discontent amongst players about Wallace because of his 2011 comments?
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Hey Dallas, I am hardly faceless. Would tell Plough to his face but he hasnt enough guts to return my call ;)
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Hey Dallas, I am hardly faceless. Would tell Plough to his face but he hasnt enough guts to return my call ;)
Can't imagine why he wouldn't ::)
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Hey Dallas, I am hardly faceless. Would tell Plough to his face but he hasnt enough guts to return my call ;)
You are not one that I would describe as one of the faceless people Jackstar, seeing as though you have identified your history with the club in your previous posts.
Having said that, if you are going to stick by those comments it would be nice if you identified who the players were that were upset by that. Why not, you have gone 3 quarts of the way by saying that anyway!
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Hey Dallas, I am hardly faceless. Would tell Plough to his face but he hasnt enough guts to return my call ;)
Can't imagine why he wouldn't ::)
As I arent a ""suck"" and I dont worship the ground he walks on ::)
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Hey Dallas, P/M me if you want, I will tell you everything you would want to know.
No holding back either ;)
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Add to that the fact that Wallace is on around $600,000 per year, which is around about twice as much as the Prime Minister gets, so there is no reason that he should not be under the same scrunity as Johnny Howard, Kevin Rudd or Steve Bracks.
Just because someone makes a lot of money it doesn't then follow that they should be scrutinised like someone who makes less.
I suppose it's a crazy world where sports and entertainment people can make mega dollars more than world leaders. That's the way it is.
There are plenty of reasons why he should not be under the same scrutiny.
ps I'd be very surprised if the PM's entitlements weren't more on par with the alleged $600,000 once things like accommodation in a multi-million $ estate, being chauffer driven, personal security, etc are factored in.
I doubt TW would be retiring from coaching on $200,000 a year plus perks either.
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WP, are these the same sort of (faceless) people, who get on forums such as this, and start trying to spread rumours that there is discontent amongst players about Wallace because of his 2011 comments?
No Dallas I don't mean people who post on forums. :thumbsup And I wasn't referring to young Jackstar either :cheers
The rumours go Dallas that there are so called "high profile" supporters who are not happy with things and stirring the pot in the back ground - they are the ones I refer to as being faceless.
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Yeah, the supporters on the forums are more likely to be legless than faceless.
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Hey Dallas, I am hardly faceless. Would tell Plough to his face but he hasnt enough guts to return my call ;)
that would only be telling him to his ear.. ;D,besides,
u would have to get on your knees to tell him to his face - there's nothing of him.
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Yeah, he doesnt look well at the moment, looks a bit frail
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For some reason, everytime I look at the title of this thread I think of the Supertramp song. :-\
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No - never heard of him. Don't think he's rated a mention this far north. But then I don't really care about the Hawks.
Tigermonk: you said simple solution, don't watch it, don't support it. Fair enough. If I know we've lost a game, which I've taped I don't bother watching it. Why torture yourself? But you went and watched the replay, thereby torturing yourself. This I don't understand. It contradicts what you said. You are definitely sound like X - "I buy some many memberships" - who cares? It's not about big noting yourself but supporting your club.
l watched the replay because my boy wanted to show me a few things
yes there was a bit of contriditing there your correct l should have wrote it different so l did torture myself bad me
X yeah l know that bloke meet him at the footy nice chap in real life his passionate about his club maybe have to get him in the box one weekend for a drink
l'm not big noting myself l can get what RFC give me in membership for nothing anyway l'm just being generous supporting the club itself by buying memberships but l'm not prepared to go into it on a public forum
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For some reason, everytime I look at the title of this thread I think of the Supertramp song. :-\
:thumbsup Supertramp my favorite group never lets me down
good to kickback listen too
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For some reason, everytime I look at the title of this thread I think of the Supertramp song. :-\
;)
Take a good look at yourself Wallace
A draw is only what we got
Not much of a year friend
Never seeing a win seems to be our lot
Take a jumbo across the Nullabor
Like to see a win over Freo
See the ferals crying at Subiaco
I'm hoping it's going to come true
But there's not a lot I can do
Could we have dockers for breakfast
Mummy dear, Mummy dear
They got to have 'em at the Eagles
Cos everyone's a junkie millionaire
I wish I was a winner, a sinner
You wanting my autograph
But I'm a loser, what a joker
I'm playing my turnover floater on queue
While there's nothing to pass to
Nan nan nan nannan nan nan nan nan nan nan
Nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan
Nan nan nan
Nan Nan
Nan nan nan
Take a good look at yourself Wallace
A draw is only what we got
Not much of a year friend
Never seeing a win seems to be our lot
Take a jumbo across the Nullabor
Like to see a win over Freo
See the ferals crying at Subiaco
I'm hoping it's going to come true
But there's not a lot I can do
Nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan nan nan nan
Nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan nan nan
nan nan
Nan nan
Nan Nan
Nan nan
Nan nan
Nan Nan
Nan nan
Nan nan
Nan nan
Nan nan nan
Nan Nan
Nan nan nan
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Gold... :cheers
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Stupid players? Unlikely.
My biggest concern is that the players aren't listening to Wallace regardless of whatever game plans he is putting forward to them and that is a huge problem going forward.