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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2007, 11:19:33 AM
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Alex Rance – Swan Districts, WA, 192.3cm, 87.6kg, DOB 9/10/89
Tall defender
Honours
NAB AFL All-Australian Under-18 Team 2007
Western Australia representative – winners of the 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 Championship
Jon Haines, Talent and Coaching Manager WA Football Commission says:
“Alex is the son of Murray who played a fair bit of footy over here in WA [with both the Eagles and Swan Districts]. He has a mature body for his age and played a lot of footy at the Championships as a running half-back with really strong defensive skills. He loves to run hard and aggressively from the half-back line; he showed that all year and not just at the carnival. For Swan Districts, he continually set up their play from the half-back line with his hard running, but he can certainly hold down a key position as well.
“He’s very good overhead and very good in one-on-one situations, he holds his ground very well and rarely gets beaten in marking duels. Alex is a really committed, disciplined trainer; he soaks up the fitness and training side of things which is another good sign from a coachability point of view.”
Kevin Sheehan, AFL National Talent Manager says:
“He’s a dasher and he’s been a revelation this year; he’s much improved. He’s one of those defenders who is prepared to take them on and provide that dash out of defence and break the lines. He’s one who really enhanced his prospects with his three performances as a tall defender at the Championships.”
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Name:Alex Rance
DOB: 9/10/1989
Height: 192.3cm
Weight: 87.6kg
Recruited From: SWAN DISTRICTS
Position: Tall defender
Bio: Hard running player who provided WA U18s with great rebound from defence in their Championship-winning team. Won All-Australian honours.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=53679
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If looks count for anything, he certainly looks the goods.
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The thing i like about this guy is his body size/shape.
Already shows good upper body definition and will continue to get bigger and stronger.
Big Key :thumbsup
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Rance's stats
WA Colts: 15 games, 7 goals
WAFL: 1 game 02/06/2007 vs Perth (3rd BOG) 11k 11h 8m 2ff 4fa
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Alex%20Rance&action=PSTATS&pID=185271125&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374301 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Alex%20Rance&action=PSTATS&pID=185271125&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374301)
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Absolutely thrilled to the eye teeth to land Alex Rance. :clapping
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rance will work nicly with thursty IMO
rance to take the gorillas and thursty to take the athletic ones
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Thankfully no one took Jarrad Grant before the Bulldogs' pick #5 otherwise we would have missed out on Rance.
Alex Rance, son of former Bulldog Murray and a dashing key defender, is mentioned as a possible option at No. 5.
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Then comes the curve-ball. Rance, the player the Dogs named as a possible Plan B for Grant, is overlooked in the first round.
A break is called. Richmond has 18. If the Tigers look past Rance and Ward, the Dogs will have an unexpected call to make.
The Tigers take the heat off, naming Rance. The choice is then obvious: the Dogs select Ward at No. 19.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22819265%255E19742,00.html
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Rance is apparently flying into Melbourne tonight and will join in his first training session on Wednesday.
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Rance is apparently flying into Melbourne tonight and will join in his first training session on Wednesday.
Correct MT
He is supposed to the at the Club80 function tomorrow night, along with Putt and some kid called Cotchin ;D
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Rance is apparently flying into Melbourne tonight and will join in his first training session on Wednesday.
Correct MT
He is supposed to the at the Club80 function tomorrow night, along with Putt and some kid called Cotchin ;D
They wont know what hit 'em! ;D
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Gee i love the photo of this kid with the ball firmly stuck in his hands while trying to brake the tackle.
His upper body size for a youngster is fantastic and is what we need.
This kid will be a tank.
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... and some kid called Cotchin ;D
Who?
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After looking at Rance's video on the RFC website, I got a massive Chub! :thumbsup This kid is like a backline version of Jonathan Brown. He dishes off to a team mate and then continues on to receive the next pass on many occasions. Big and quick! At full steam he would frighten the begeezus out of anyone in his path. :o
I'm going to enjoy watching this kid play for us!! :clapping :thumbsup :thumbsup
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can anybody see the highlights coz i tried to download them but they wont come up, mind you im not with Telstra. If someone can convert them on youtube that would be good.
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can anybody see the highlights coz i tried to download them but they wont come up, mind you im not with Telstra. If someone can convert them on youtube that would be good.
I can see them, you have to watch an advertisement first, but then they start after that.
I have no idea how to convert them though. Sorry :-\
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Me too Ramps. I'm not a Bogpond member yet I can see them no troubles. Make sure you are using IE 6 or later with flash player installed. :thumbsup
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Rance is apparently flying into Melbourne tonight and will join in his first training session on Wednesday.
Correct MT
He is supposed to the at the Club80 function tomorrow night, along with Putt and some kid called Cotchin ;D
Be nice to our future premiership midfielder, FB/CHB and ruck/forward ;D
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192.3cm is Rance's height for those that asked:
From the RFC email:
ALEX RANCE: Draft pick No 18
Recruited from: Swan Districts
Born: 9/10/1989
Height: 192.3cm
Weight: 87.6kg
Strong, hard-running, tall defender, noted for his dash out of the backline. His father, Murray, played 97 matches with the Western Bulldogs and West Coast from 1986-1990. Alex spent the majority of the '07 season with Swan Districts Colts, but made an impressive senior WAFL debut in Round 10, gathering 22 possessions and taking eight marks against Perth. Was a standout for WA at the 2007 under-18 championships, leading the team in rebound 50s, averaging 17 possessions per game, and being rewarded with All-Australian honors. Rated as the best pure full-back in junior ranks Australia-wide. Is excellent overhead and can hold his own in a one-on-one contest.
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New Tigers in focus: Alex Rance
RICHMOND'S largely unexpected bonus from the 2007 NAB AFL Draft in Alex Rance is excited by the club’s bright future and looking forward to being a part of it – despite it taking longer than many thought to find his home.
Rance, tipped by many to be a top-10 pick in this year’s national draft, was selected by the Tigers with pick 18.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=6301&newsId=54023
And a dodgy BigPond Video
http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/42722
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Its good to see a kid be humble and just wanting to get his chance. Rance will be a good player if hes attitude is anything to go by.
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Good on him. Seems very level-headed and focussed on getting the best out of himself which is good to hear. A bonus to have his folks move over to Melbourne.
On-field he showed at training today he's bloody quick of the mark too :thumbsup.
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Thoughts?
Rawlings' comment in EOTT:
Alex Rance
Among the best three players on the ground. Showed he was versatile enough to play on taller and smaller opponents. Had 35 possessions and five tackles in a top-class display. His improvement over the past month has been profound.
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I hope so, I don't know who he'd defend though, do Melbourne have any forwards left?
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Must play. Get 8-11 games into him and get him conditioned to the pace of AFL footy regardless of what happens. Will only improve him as a player and help the club long term. Will make him hungry come next pre season getting a big tast of the big time. If we play the kids like Rance and go we should not worry about results and worry about nurturing these kids and getting as many games and as much game time into them as possible as a long term solution. That way we can see whether these kids can cut it rather than wallowing and wasting away at Coburg and Coburg ressies.
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It would be terrific if he did and I hope he does although I hope supporters expectations are over the top for a 18 y.o. first year tall.
HF: Jace Bode, James Frawley, Clint Bartram
F: Paul Johnson, Brad Miller, Austin Wonaeamirri
3 tall forwards if Melbourne line up like that. I've got a feeling the 3rd tall defender spot will be b/w Rance and JON.
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It's that kid Woneaemirri that we have to look out for. Have we got someone who can shut him down - pace wise
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Emma Quayle's reason for Rance slipping down to pick 18 last year..[/i]
"like Alex Rance last year - a lot of clubs really liked him, but just seemed to have someone else a little bit ahead, hence he slipped through to Richmond at No.18."
http://blogs.theage.com.au/realfooty/archives/2008/11/emma_quayles_to.html
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Rance interviewed on 3aw after the game in the rooms.
* Flattening to let the game slip through our fingers like that.
* Improvements from last week? Team spirit, enthusiasm and want to get the ball and want to help out teammates. Looking more about the team than the individual. It's about team spirit.
* How did you find the step up to AFL? Hardness and skill level a big step up. "I've got a lot of reflecting to do before next week. I know I've got a few areas to improve in."
* Rance has 4 inside 50s.
* Last year was a learning year. This year is my year and I know what it takes to be an AFL footballer. I want to now work and stay in the side.
* What did Wallace say at half time. 8 goals is a great effort? Came back to team spirit. Winning Contested footy and getting our hands on the footy and quickly to our forwards who were lively.
* Perhaps it was tiredness but it's not good enough to let the game slip like that.
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A good debut against such quality opposition. He sounds like he has great belief in himself at this level which is good to hear.
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like how he goes about it, HARD and likes to dash...will be a very good player :gotigers
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is he more of a CHB or HBF ?
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Thought it was an excellent debut from the youngster, he is better at CHB running through the centre and up the ground. Great game Rance.
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I thought he looked right at home.
I think he loks better off CHB. An excellent game and a 10 year player for the club. Must not be dropped this season. This kid needs to further his confidence which he already has and play senior footy week in week out. He's a gem. :thumbsup
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Very good debut. Will become a 10 year player for us.
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this kid will be a winner. :thumbsup
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I thought he looked right at home.
I think he loks better off CHB. An excellent game and a 10 year player for the club. Must not be dropped this season. This kid needs to further his confidence which he already has and play senior footy week in week out. He's a gem. :thumbsup
agree
been asking for his inclusion for a while now and it finally came. He didnt dissapoint.
MUST NOT be dropped this season and MUST stay across HB. I expect Wallet to start moving him around all over the place very soon.
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Very good debut. Will become a 10 year player for us.
Agree. I thought Alex was very good, gave great run out of the back half but was also prepared to chase and do the little things ..eg. that massive spoil on the wing
Could we have actually got something right at the draft table :rollin :rollin :rollin
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well done alex
imo i woul dlove to see rance play on a wing doing richos role when richo goes fwd or if richo ends up as a permanent fwd again. maybe once post makes the grade and gets a spot in defence rance would be imo a very hard match on a wing and could be a matchwinner for us there
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Very good debut. Will become a 10 year player for us.
Agree. I thought Alex was very good, gave great run out of the back half but was also prepared to chase and do the little things ..eg. that massive spoil on the wing
Could we have actually got something right at the draft table :rollin :rollin :rollin
Yes we did, we got it 70% correct which in reality is a great result, we wasted the trade on McMahon, for if we had kept our pick we would have taken young selwood and my 70% would be an 85% result. Johnson showed once again that smaller/medium forwards kill us. And McMahon is deservedly in the twos.
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Very good debut. Will become a 10 year player for us.
Agree. I thought Alex was very good, gave great run out of the back half but was also prepared to chase and do the little things ..eg. that massive spoil on the wing
Could we have actually got something right at the draft table :rollin :rollin :rollin
Yes we did, we got it 70% correct which in reality is a great result, we wasted the trade on McMahon, for if we had kept our pick we would have taken young selwood and my 70% would be an 85% result. Johnson showed once again that smaller/medium forwards kill us. And McMahon is deservedly in the twos.
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Relax I'm just taking the you know whatskees ;D
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Blah Blah Blah ;D
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Maybe not this week but Rance would be a show for a Rising Star nomination if he repeats that performance in the coming weeks.
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Blah Blah Blah ;D
:thumbsup
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Rance to build on debut
richmondfc.com.au
10:13 AM Thu 09 April, 2009
Richmond first-gamer Alex Rance spoke exclusively to Roar Vision this week about his debut for the Tigers against Geelong in round two.
Alex Rance video interview - http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/119802 (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/119802)
The 19-year-old collected 18 possessions and six marks in his first outing for the Club, playing across half back.
“It was another step up again. The bodies were a lot bigger, people were a lot faster and definitely the turnovers will kill you,” Rance said.
“But it was a good experience to play out there, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.”
“It’s not a bad start to my career, but there are always areas to improve on. It’s a step in the right direction.”
Rance was close to senior selection in 2008 – his first year at the club – when he was named emergency on several occasions.
His impressive performances playing for Coburg in the VFL led to his opportunity in the senior outfit throughout the 2009 NAB Cup, where he proved at home on the big stage.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/74663/default.aspx
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Alex speaks very well for a 19 year old. Good to see and hear a young Tiger with such self-confidence :thumbsup.
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Loved his work rate and intensity. 8)
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Rance made one bad blue but a rare positive from yesterday as Robbo says in today's Herald-Sun....
Pleasing was Alex Rance, who in his second game, is still a little sloppy with the pill, but the same cannot be said of his attitude.
He started back yesterday, and finished in the middle and attacks as if his career hangs on every contest.
The Tigers have one here.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25330592-19742,00.html
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Should be played on a wing.
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He is the only positive thus far from the first 3 games for me.
Really like this kid.
I also think we should let him settle in down back first before we go and try to make something different out of him. If nothing else he should see plenty of the footy back there! :thumbsup
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Should be played on a wing.
yep, he could play bthe richo role and richo can play hff or ff, prob ff
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Fantastic attack on the footy, gives well with handballs, but his kicking is a concern, In defence, that can be a problem- in time I think he could sort it out, but for now, Id like to see him on the wing, or even given a try at Full Forward. Hes big enough, hes tall enough and he seems to have enough run in him. A try at Full Forward may not be bad at all at this stage- what do others think?
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See what you are saying Ramps, but he's finding out that he's up to the standard and getting a lot of footy across half-back. I'd rather see him continue to grow in a single role than to see him shuffled around like Deledio was.
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I agree with Jake. Give Alex a single role as he has now and let him focus and learn it well as he develops. Still very early days for him.
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I wouldn't be surprised if his kicking is the result of Richo Syndrome, i.e. running your ass off and being exhausted. Even tried to do anything perfectly when gasping for air? It's not easy.
I'm sure as he gets fitter at AFL level his disposal will get better, not to mention he will get more used to the pace of the game and he will become more composed.
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all about confidence, as soon as rance becomes settled, his kicking will be better as he wont be as nervous
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Fantastic attack on the footy, gives well with handballs, but his kicking is a concern, In defence, that can be a problem- in time I think he could sort it out, but for now, Id like to see him on the wing, or even given a try at Full Forward. Hes big enough, hes tall enough and he seems to have enough run in him. A try at Full Forward may not be bad at all at this stage- what do others think?
wing perhaps, although I though he was having a dip in the midfield...FF, looks nothing like one...doesnt present as an overly strong mark...and a questionable kick...not sure that is the package for a decent FF ::)
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Yeah, that's right, a young player shows a glimpse of something, so let's move him around until he loses form and confidence, and then drop him.
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Neither, HBF for me, let him find his feet playing where he knows best.
Defence is good for running straight down the line and with his big body he might just clean up a few more opposition players.
Tell you what with Green and Harvey going down to us we might start getting our ferocious tag back with continued hard play.
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CHB / HBF
His kicking is not that bad.
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Kid has heaps of potential and a substantial amount of courage. Pity most of his teammates arent in the same mould. Does anyone know the seriousness of his injury?
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Heavy concussion and possible cheekbone fracture is what i've heard.
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Just got home from the game and heard on Channel 10 that he will be okay, just concussion and that his parents and a Richmond medico were in a room with him at Epworth Hospital. He was just dazed after a knock like that.
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a good player this kid and to see that was sickening. Shows he has what it takes unlike about 17 of his mates.
Compare that to the Edwards effort on the members side. Pathetic!!!
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Heavy concussion and possible cheekbone fracture is what i've heard.
That's what is being reported on the 6pm newses. They said he was "lucky" to escape with only a fractured cheekbone.
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i wish all our player shad his courage and jacksons balls
these blokes are more valuable to us than the silky ones like deledio.
rance always puts his head over the ball and jackson has the biggest balls in the team, see him rag doll mattner last week on the wing and he has bled enough for teh team as seen today
he and rance should inspire the team , but many in the team dont give a rats
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Rance hit a 'car crash'
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen 7:18 PM Sat 09 May, 2009
RICHMOND youngster Alex Rance is in hospital with a suspected fractured cheekbone after one of the most sickening clashes in recent football history, with coach Terry Wallace comparing it to a car crash.
Rance and Brisbane Lions midfielder Joel Selwood had a literal head-on collision while contesting a loose ball on the members' wing at the MCG on Saturday afternoon.
With both players coming at the ball from opposite directions and at full speed, the crack as their heads hit could be heard around the ground.
Both players lay dazed on the turf as the game was halted for four minutes before Rance was taken to the Richmond rooms on the medicart. Selwood was assisted to the bench, just metres away.
Rance was taken directly to Epworth hospital while Selwood was unable to return to the field, although he did not suffer concussion according to the club.
Coach Terry Wallace said Rance's condition was uncertain at this stage, but hoped that it would be clearer tomorrow.
"He's in the Epworth having scans – we think it's more cheekbone at this stage than anything else, but obviously we'll get the reports back from those scans and we'll pass them on," Wallace said after the game.
"His family is with him and for that point-of-view he's OK, but obviously you have to see what damage is there."
The incident brought back memories of James Hird smashing his face on Mark McVeigh's knee at Subiaco Oval in May 2002, and Wallace compared the incident to the 2005 round five head clash between Tigers defender Chris Hyde and Saint Matt Maguire, which left Hyde with a 2cm crack in his skull.
"It was horrific – I was involved when Chris Hyde fractured his skull, and that was one of those car crash-type scenarios.
"Two blokes absolutely equally committed to the contest, and people who say that our game's not tough … it astounds me at times.
"You've got to be down at ground level to see how hard they hit.
"It was a fair-dinkum car crash."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/76520/default.aspx
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Jon Ralph just said on Ch 10 that Rance has two fractures to his cheekbone.
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we missed his run and aggressiveness after he went off injured
get well soon rance
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Could be an eye socket also.
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Dr. Pete Larkins on the Sunday Footy Show said Alex may be out of hospital as early as tomorrow. Rance has two small fractures - one at the base of the eyesocket and the other on the actual cheekbone. He'll have a couple of plates put in at each spot and depending on how quickly the swelling dies down he could even be back as early as 3-4 weeks time. Larkins said being a young player it'll most likely be a month long injury.
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Murray Rance rang into 3aw and passed onto Caro that Alex actually has 3 cracks and he'll have his operation today (plates and a couple of screws inserted). They're saying 2-3 weeks now.
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One of the most courageous acts I've seen by RFC player in a couple of years
It's a pity some of his more senior colleagues haven't got the same attributes
Get well Alex - you are a true Tiger :thumbsup
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No2 Bugger today.
Hope he comes back like he was, I dont think Hydey was ever the same after his injury and I would hate to see Rance in a similar boat.
Very courageous act
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No2 Bugger today.
Hope he comes back like he was, I dont think Hydey was ever the same after his injury and I would hate to see Rance in a similar boat.
Very courageous act
I reckon he will be fine
He has a fantastic family around him, his Dad played a lot of AFL footy .... he'll get the right support
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Surgery won't hold Rance back
richmondfc.com.au
By Adrian Ceddia 3:31 PM Sun 10 May, 2009
The father of Richmond defender Alex Rance says his son will continue his fearless attack on the football despite requiring surgery today to repair a fractured cheekbone.
Rance had plates and screws inserted in his right cheekbone to correct three fractures he suffered in a sickening head clash with the Brisbane Lions’ Troy Selwood at the MCG yesterday.
But former Footscray and West Coast footballer Murray Rance is expecting the 19-year-old to bounce back better than ever.
“I think they call him one speed down here. He’s certainly hard at it, and loves getting the hard ball,” Rance said.
“That’s just the way the boy plays, and I don’t think anyone would want him to play differently.
“They reckon the plates and screws will make him better than before, so there’ll be no excuses for him to go in harder next time.”
Rance admitted it was nervous time for he and wife Di as they watched on from the stands, not knowing the full extent of the injury.
“My wife was beside herself, and we just got on our skates and got downstairs as quick as we could,” Rance said.
“We were mainly concerned that his brain was okay.
“I’ve been knocked out a few times myself, so you take it from granted a bit, but to see your son convulsing on the ground is pretty ordinary. It was pretty tough.
“I’ve got to say that the Richmond staff have been fantastic. The club has been so supportive, and the doctor was with us the whole time.”
Rance was unconscious for more than two minutes after the head clash. He was helped from the ground by Richmond trainers and taken directly to Epworth Hospital.
It was initially feared he would be on the sidelines for more than six weeks, but that figure has since been scaled back to 2-3 weeks.
“Matthew Richardson had a similar injury and he came back in a similar period of time,” Rance said.
“I’m not saying Alex has Matthew’s healing powers, but he is a pretty healthy kid so I wouldn’t expect it would be much longer than that, subject to the operation going well.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/76559/default.aspx
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good luck rancey, I like the Boy :thumbsup
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He is already an important player for us and i know doubt he will make it big!
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Rance to play in two to three weeks — and go in harder
Andrea Petrie | May 11, 2009
YOUNG Richmond defender Alex Rance was recovering last night from surgery to insert plates and screws in his cheekbone, broken in a sickening clash of heads with Brisbane Lions' Troy Selwood on Saturday.
Rance's father, Murray, who played almost 100 games with Footscray and West Coast, said yesterday he and his wife Di were on the opposite side of the ground when the players collided during the third quarter at the MCG.
Alex, 19, was unconscious for several minutes before being taken to Epworth Hospital. Scans revealed three small fractures to his cheekbone.
"As soon as he went down, we knew he was out to it and I know my wife was pretty much beside herself, but we just got on our skates and got downstairs as quick as we could," Rance senior said yesterday.
"We met him on the way in and he was still pretty much out to it then."
He described seeing the incident as every parent's worst nightmare. "I've been knocked out a few times myself so you take it for granted a bit, but to see your son convulsing on the ground is pretty ordinary, so you know what a lot of parents are going through in that situation," he said.
"Two hard nuts, the Selwood head and the Rance head hitting, none of them were going to give an inch so it was pretty tough."
Rance said his son was likely to be playing again in about two or three weeks.
"A lot of people are saying a lot longer but I think Matthew Richardson's had a similar injury and he came back in a similar period of time," he said.
"I'm not suggesting that Alex has got Matthew's healing powers, but he's a pretty healthy kid and I wouldn't expect it to be much longer than that, subject to the operation going well today."
Rance said the injury was unlikely to make his son think twice about going in hard for the ball.
"He doesn't know what slowness means. I think they call him 'One-speed' here, so he's certainly hard at it and loves getting the hard ball, so that's just the way the boy plays. I didn't think anyone would want him to play any differently.
"They reckon the screws and plates will be better than it was before so there'll be no excuses, he'll go in harder next time I would hope."
Rance said that Alex was in good spirits.
"At the end of the day he's healthy. Bones repair, his brain's fine and he's having a laugh and a joke, so it's all good."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/rance-to-play-in-two-to-three-weeks/2009/05/10/1241893850157.html
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No2 Bugger today.
Hope he comes back like he was, I dont think Hydey was ever the same after his injury and I would hate to see Rance in a similar boat.
Very courageous act
First thing i thought of too :(
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sounds like a pushy father.
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sounds like a pushy father.
Just sounds like a proud father to me who likes how his son plays his football.
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sounds like a pushy father.
Most afl players have pushy fathers & can tell you more pushy mothers
& l'm the same ;D
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sounds like a pushy father.
AFL captian
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need i stipulate,there's nothing wrong with that....
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need i stipulate,there's nothing wrong with that....
l see your new love attached in your avitar ;D
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need i stipulate,there's nothing wrong with that....
l see your new love attached in your avitar ;D
"MEDICATED CHICKS DO MORE STUFF"
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he can play Rance. just disappointing that a young player who has something goes down with an injury.
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Ch 10 news said Alex is out of hospital :)
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sounds like a pushy father.
I hear that there might be a senior coaching vacancy coming up, he may want to throw his hat into the ring.
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need i stipulate,there's nothing wrong with that....
l see your new love attached in your avitar ;D
"MEDICATED CHICKS DO MORE STUFF"
I hear she is pure - so you can legitimately be called "the biggest, the best, the first!"
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Selwood clash gave me goose bumps: Voss
http://news.realfooty.com.au/breaking-news-sport/selwood-clash-gave-me-goose-bumps-voss-20090511-b0ag.html
May 11, 2009 - 3:00PM
It was one of the most sickening sights of the 2009 AFL season - or any season for that matter.
But Troy Selwood's "car crash" head clash with Richmond's Alex Rance on Saturday also led to one of the most inspirational, according to Brisbane Lions coach Michael Voss.
Both players lost consciousness after colliding while contesting a loose ball in the third quarter at the MCG.
It proved a turning point for the Lions in the match - and maybe even for their season.
As a recovering Selwood looked on, the Lions reeled in Richmond to triumph by 26 points - their first away victory since round 8 last year, and first over the Tigers in five years.
After the fulltime siren sounded, the Lions players had every reason to celebrate - but instead they rushed to acknowledge Selwood.
"Every now again as a coach you get goose bumps about different things, and I got goose bumps when I saw that," Voss said on Monday.
"I thought 'that's what teamwork is all about' - when one of your mates puts his body on the line for you and is willing to hurt himself for the greater cause.
"When you see all the guys go over to him after the game and acknowledge that effort, it is spine tingling."
Asked if he hoped the "Selwood moment" may also be season defining, Voss said: "I hope so.
"We made reference to him at three-quarter time.
"When you see a commitment like that from one of your teammates you can't help but not want to let him down."
Voss insisted that Selwood had not suffered concussion - well, not at first anyway.
"He probably got concussion from all the taps on the head (after the match) rather than the incident itself," Voss smiled.
"It's not exactly what you want after you've just been knocked on the head."
However, Voss said the incident itself was no laughing matter.
Rance had to undergo surgery for fractures around his cheekbone and eye socket, although Selwood was able to fly back with the team with a "sore head".
"We obviously hope that young Rance is okay as well," Voss said.
But Voss has adopted a "wait and see" approach before picking Selwood for Saturday night's Gabba clash with a desperate Adelaide.
Selwood's actions may have been inspirational, but Voss was keen on it not happening again.
"As a coach I can teach a better technique, not lead with the head but more of the shoulder - and I am quite serious about that," Voss said.
"That is something I have to make sure (that when you) put your body on the line, you have also got to protect yourself."
Selwood is no stranger to head knocks but donning headgear in the style of Lions legend Shaun Hart seems unlikely.
"I am sure the boys will give him a fair ribbing if he sticks the helmet on," Voss laughed.
© 2009 AAP
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Alex has two plates in his face and he has already been down to the club apparently after getting out of hospital to stir up the other boys about how he'll be back in only 2-3 weeks.
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One of the footy shows on Sunday Naf Brown was next to crawdad.
Browny was saying it was great to see kids going in like that.
Crawdad turns to him and says maybe you can learn something from that :rollin GOLD Nafs face :o
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Rance’s courage inspiring, says Jackson
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen 12:39 PM Tue 12 May, 2009
RICHMOND midfielder Daniel Jackson says the courage and commitment shown by teammate Alex Rance on the weekend should help inspire his teammates.
Rance spent a couple of days in hospital after having plates and screws inserted into his head following a clash with Troy Selwood that left both semi-conscious on the ground in Saturday's loss to the Brisbane Lions.
The club is hoping Rance will return within a month, but Jackson said he didn't expect the six-gamer to change the way he attacked the ball.
"He was in yesterday and he was in good spirits," Jackson said before training on Tuesday.
"Looking at the footage ... although it's a bit scary at the time, it does give you motivation to see someone put themselves on the line like that.
“He does it all the time, and no doubt when he comes back he'll be doing it again and again – it won't be something that fazes him.
"He just epitomises how you should attack the footy."
Jackson plays a similarly uncompromising brand of football, and said the repercussions for Rance wouldn't deter him from continuing to put his head over the ball.
"Look, it probably goes more the other way – you think 'what's good for him must be good for me as well'," he said.
"It always sets the scene – you see that and you think if he can do it, I can do it.
"If everyone else does that, it's going to make us a better side."
Jackson also copped a knock to the head and bled in a manner worthy of a former captain of the club, Matthew Knights, leaving the ground with his face entirely covered in blood, but the 23-year-old laughed the injury off.
“My head's fine – it certainly looked a lot worse than it was, and I think Richo and Browny's gags on TV were a little bit worse for me than the actual hit.
"I had a few missed calls from my mum and when I gave her a call she was in a bit of a state ... She was surprised it was only six stitches, but she's fine now.
"I had to give my gran a call the next day to settle the score there, but all's well."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/76675/default.aspx
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Is all on the line, over the line?
Peter Hanlon | May 13, 2009
IF THE flapping of a butterfly's wings in the jungle can trigger a typhoon over the ocean, what chaos can spring from the cracking of two skulls on the MCG members' wing?
Alex Rance and Troy Selwood have lived to tell the tale of their human head-on on Saturday; bones heal, plates and screws can be removed, headaches wear off. But does a hangover linger when we're reminded just how brutal football can be?
No matter how many mums and dads nodded in cringing agreement with what Murray Rance called "every parent's worst nightmare", it won't slow down the game, nor stop players going in without a second thought. Selwood is a Selwood; say no more. As for Rance, Scott Cummings has seen cautionary advice fall on deaf ears.
"He rang me when he was driving home after they'd lost to Melbourne and I said, 'You've got to be careful mate, you're going to kill yourself one day'," Cummings says of Rance. "Basically his answer was, 'There's no alternative'."
Cummings has known Rance since he was a boy, having regarded the young Tiger's father as a mentor since he joined Swan Districts when Murray Rance was nearing the end of his career.
The son's courage is innate, but against the Demons it left him with only a headache, while Brad Green came out of their collision with a broken jaw.
On Saturday Selwood was the luckier one, yet while renowned sports medico Peter Brukner acknowledges the potential for damage when two objects as hard as skulls meet, he cautions against an alarmist reaction.
"Fractured skulls, fractured cheekbones are probably the worst case scenarios," Brukner says. "Concussion is a relatively minor scenario — not that concussion is minor. The James Hirds of the world, you can make a mess of the facial bones, but the skull itself seems to be pretty resistant to that sort of thing.
"Is there potential for something even more serious? A nasty fractured skull … there's always that potential, but there's been lots of head clashes but never anything life threatening."
Which doesn't make it any easier to watch. Horse racing reeled last week as images of jumpers tumbling to their death — and perhaps that of their sport — were shown time and again. The scale differs, but constant replays of the Rance-Selwood clash caused discomfort and not just in the living rooms of the country's near-200,000 Auskickers.
"In pure terms, yes, we would like that (vision) to be broadcast less, because I just don't think it's something you need to play ad nauseum," the AFL's chief operations officer, Gillon McLachlan, said yesterday. But he said the league would continue to focus on making the game safer and not tell the broadcasters what to put to air.
Cummings and Brukner share the concerns of many that the crackdown on contact to the head with hip or shoulder has made such head-banging more common. "If Alex turns himself side-on, he takes out Troy Selwood and gets six weeks," Cummings said. "As much as they've been trying to protect the head, they've probably created a bigger monster."
Wayne Campbell concurs, drawing the logical conclusion — if Rance keeps going in head down and backside up, he'll keep cracking his head. "We'd much prefer him to have a big bruise on his bum or his shoulder than his head," the Richmond assistant said yesterday.
At Monday's game review the Tigers' staff lauded their young player's courage, but resolved to hit the tackling bag and work on his technique. As for finding an approach to satisfy the competing demands of unbending attack on the ball while not illegally contacting an opponent — or imperilling your own health — Campbell is unsure one exists.
Cummings says players now know that if they put their head down and cop any contact, they will get a free kick. He doesn't like to see them rewarded. "Boys put their heads down and hope for the best that they don't end up like Alex and Troy Selwood."
While McLachlan says the league's rules committee will continue to seek the best outcome, Campbell sees it as yet another reason to be in awe of the modern footballer. "The more you look at the game, the more you stand at ground level, they're just fearless. They hit that hard, there's so much to admire about what they do."
Meltdown-proportion scrutiny has meant players who are perceived not to have put their bodies on the line are highlighted — as Josh Fraser discovered after Anzac Day — a fact Campbell says mitigates against finding a still courageous yet somehow safer middle ground.
"A happy medium doesn't sell newspapers. I think it was always internally that it was highlighted, but now everyone wants to be the first person to say something. People want to put their name up in lights," Campbell says. "Before, you thought you would be letting your teammate down. Now they think they'll be publicly branded."
Which, says Cummings, is something Rance won't have to worry about. "I don't think anyone will call him soft for the rest of his career."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/is-all-on-the-line-over-the-line/2009/05/12/1241893982574.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Guess who turned up to train today? :thumbsup
Sure it was in rehab and Alex only did some handballing with Cotch but talk about dedication to the cause only two days after surgery :bow :clapping. His face didn't look to bad either. A slight bit of swelling but a lot less than you'd expect. LOL at him lifting up his lip and having a show and tell of his face so 5 of the other boys could have a close look of the surgery.
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Alex Rance returns to training after horrific injury
Staff writer | May 13, 2009
IT wasn't the comeback, but it was good enough for now.
Gutsy Richmond defender Alex Rance surprised his teammates yesterday, showing up for training just four days after a horrific collision with Brisbane Lions midfielder Troy Selwood.
Rance, his face still badly swollen, had plates and screws inserted into his cheekbone on Sunday to repair three small cracks in his face.
He was a sight for sore eyes during yesterday's skill session, even doing some light stationary drills with teammates at Punt Rd ahead of Richmond's clash against Port Adelaide on Sunday.
Rance is hoping to be back in action in a fortnight.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25477917-19742,00.html
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Brave Rance shows his metal
By Mic Cullen 4:47 PM Thu 14 May, 2009
YOUNG Richmond defender Alex Rance is recovering well from the horrendous head-clash with Troy Selwood that left him with a fractured cheekbone and various metal structures in his face after an operation and a couple of days in hospital.
Rance is expected to miss up to three weeks, but despite the club telling him to take the week off, the 19-year-old was back just a couple of days after being released from hospital.
"He's really good – he's been in this week already despite us saying just have a rest," football manager Ross Monaghan told richmondfc.com.au.
"He just wanted to come down to the club – he didn't train yesterday, but he got his gear on and rolled some footys out for some of the other guys, just so that he was involved.
"He's in terrific spirits – he just needs to let the swelling settle a bit and I probably expect him to have a run around next week.
"His progress has been fantastic."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/76840/default.aspx
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How do they insert the plates? No noticeable scarring at all.
I remember when Hird smashed his face too, the surgeons did an amazing job.
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How do they insert the plates? No noticeable scarring at all.
I remember when Hird smashed his face too, the surgeons did an amazing job.
Yeah that's what I was thinking.
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im pretty sure they go from inside the mouth under the lip
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Some positive news out of the RFC from the footy show tonight ...
Rance is only a week away. He said he forgot both his parents' names in the hospital. Mum was a bit shocked although he thought she would be use to it as dad played. He's looking forward to getting back out there and playing.
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Rance welcomes warm road trip
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen Tue 30 June, 2009
RICHMOND youngster Alex Rance is looking forward to the Gold Coast this weekend: firstly, for the clash with Adelaide and secondly, a change of scenery.
The idea of swapping wintry Melbourne for the sun and surf of southern Queensland seems like a smart idea for most people, and especially for a 19-year-old going away with a bunch of his mates.
"It always creates a bit more camaraderie and a bit more of a bond when you're rooming with someone or you're around them a bit more," Rance said from Punt Road on Tuesday morning.
"Travel definitely creates a bit more of a team atmosphere.
"Once we get in our own little zone, and we're very much team-focused, that's when we play our best football.
"We're definitely looking forward to the challenge up there at the Gold Coast."
A challenge is definitely what Rance was handed on the weekend, tagging Saints playmaker Nick Dal Santo, and he said it was a great experience.
"Especially this early on in my career – I'm looking to fast-track track my career as fast as I can, so players like that are a challenge," he said.
"It was a nice little contest. I definitely learned a lot from him.
"He's a very talented player, and I'm trying to look at it in perspective – he's a few years ahead of me and he did get the better of me a few times."
The big story this week is the looming match between Geelong and St Kilda. While the Tigers led the Cats at the last change in round two, they were crushed by the Saints on Sunday evening and Rance said the pressure St Kilda exerted was amazing.
"It's unbelievable – it seemed like we just couldn't get the ball through into our 50," he said.
"We had single figures of inside-50s in the middle portion of the game, which you just can't do.
"That was terrific by them ... their defensive skills definitely were phenomenal."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/79690/default.aspx
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Kicking is a real concern I reckon, low possession rates also not helping. He needs to get into the game more. For the moment he needs to forget about finnicky short kicks. I would try him on a wing and even Ruck Rover in a Shane Tuck type role. Hes a big unit, hes hard at it, if he can get it more often and kick it long playing as a ruck rover type he may actually be very good.
What do people reckon.
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CHB / HBF
His kicking is not that bad.
Agree. I don't think it's as bad as what people make out. Critcism of him is unfair at this stage. Leave him where he is. We have Post and Jack as forwards now, Rance would just be getting in the way.
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He is a 192cm tall, 19 year old who is averaging 14.4 disposals, 3.6 marks and 2.6 tackles per game from the half back line in his first season at senior level (and coming back from a sickening head clash that put him in hospital I might add).
For crying out loud give the guy a chance to develop. :help :banghead
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He is a 192cm tall, 19 year old who is averaging 14.4 disposals, 3.6 marks and 2.6 tackles per game from the half back line in his first season at senior level (and coming back from a sickening head clash that put him in hospital I might add).
For crying out loud give the guy a chance to develop. :help :banghead
75% of his possessions seem to be handballs. I think he handballs because he doesnt want to kick the footy. We need to find a way to develop his kicking and his own confidence when it comes to kicking the footy.
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Ladies and Gentleman he's barely played 10 games of football.
He's 19 years old.
He's returned from a broken cheekbone.
Take a back seat and relax and let him play.
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He is a 192cm tall, 19 year old who is averaging 14.4 disposals, 3.6 marks and 2.6 tackles per game from the half back line in his first season at senior level (and coming back from a sickening head clash that put him in hospital I might add).
For crying out loud give the guy a chance to develop. :help :banghead
Missed this post. Here here.
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Backline!
Centre Half Back!
Half Back Flank!
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I think it would be a big jump from playing with such a defensive - spoil, man-on-man, punch - mentality to a forward - lead, get into space, contested mark, kick for goal - one. He has played in defense all his career so that sort of change would require a preseason at least. I haven't really seen him mark and kick long so I have nothing to gauge his potential up forward on so I too will join in the chorus and say just leave him down the back pocket until he builds his confidence up.
He is a very young talent with a hell of a lot of upside if he can start believing in his natural ability.
Stripes
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how about Ruck Roving in the Shane Tuck mould?
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How about just let the kid develop without chopping and changing his role
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How about working on his skill deficiencies and getting him to kick more and leaving him where he is. Sometimes over analysis to find a solution can lead to overkill.
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How about working on his skill deficiencies and getting him to kick more and leaving him where he is. Sometimes over analysis to find a solution can lead to overkill.
I think confidence is the key! i feel sorry for any young bloke who gets drafted into an environment where its supporters yell abuse at you when you walk off after a loss and then complain that we are winning when things finally fall into place! Add to that the media circus and a coach who tells a player that he has cost him his job because te pressure has finally worn him down! In the words of redgum, "i was only nineteen!"
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I really think he has struggled since he has come back from his head clash. If we were any good he would be back at Coburg. His kicking needs a lot of work. Yes he is young and only played 10 games or so but he has gone backward for mine! It would be really good if players at our club had to play well to keep their spot not just because they are young.
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fantastic effort just to get back after that clash, well done.
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how about Ruck Roving in the Shane Tuck mould?
Lions had Justin Leppitsch as gun CHB - 3 flags
i do not see why you would not develop Rance in the same way.
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SEN said earlier Rance could be off as well. A Tiger supporter who heard this rang in and said he's had enough and he's off to follow the Socceroos.
Mentioned on Bomberblitz as well ...
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=51476&st=1200#
However Doran just corrected himself saying he heard Ox say it was Rance when it's actually Raines instead. He then said Rance has re-signed.
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As mentioned in the footy show thread, Hutchy said Hawthorn are showing interest in Alex Rance.
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I'd doubt the Hawks would offer up pick 9 for Rance (moreso for Lake) but if pick 9 was put on the table you'd definitely look at it. Butcher/Trengove at #3 plus another quality midfielder at #9 such as a Rohan, Martin, Lucas, Stevens or Cunnington wouldn't go astray either.
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Rance and Raines for pick 9?
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Rance and Raines for pick 9?
i would doubt Hardwick would do a trade with the Hawks, especially with someone like a Rance who can play just under someone who can coach
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Never know Daniel.
Clarko from his friendship with Chocco made deals with players traded between Port and the Hawks. You just never know even if it is not Rance.
Gilham
Dew
Nathan Lonie, come to mind straight away. There may have been others.
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
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Pick 9 is an extremely tempting prospect, though.
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
i agree rance should be one of the top 10 first names read out that is a must to have in 2010..He had Wallet as his coach so thats enough to add flaws to anyones game.
Hardwick wont let him go, you can bet your life on it.
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Rance and Raines for pick 9?
I don't think adding fringe players together makes the deal any sweeter to the Hawks otherwise we could throw JON in there as well lol.
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
Let's be clear here that RICHMOND are not trading him but a couple of clubs including Hawthorn are CHASING him. We would be stupid not to listen. I hope some clubs are also chasing Jackson, but that's for another thread.
If it had to be done. . . . Rance & 18 for 9 and 25, but I'd far prefer to re-sign him.
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No way - Like to see what this guy and others can achieve under the new regime.
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
Let's be clear here that RICHMOND are not trading him but a couple of clubs including Hawthorn are CHASING him. We would be stupid not to listen. I hope some clubs are also chasing Jackson, but that's for another thread.
If it had to be done. . . . Rance & 18 for 9 and 25, but I'd far prefer to re-sign him.
Would not even listen to talks of trading him and taking picks 18, 9 & 25 would be stupid, what the hell, I really think this talk about re-building has gone to some of your heads, we can't have a team full of draft picks, even the GC won't be doing that.
I have just about heard enough of trading every player on this forum since we lost the plot in round one. Every players name including Deledio and Richo have come up this year for trade, it's beyond a joke. No one wants to get players above 25 to the club because we should develop our own, yet we are prepared to trade away 21 & 22 year olds that we have in fact developed for younger players to develop again and again and again.... please!!!
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The one plus point in this potential deal is the fact that Hardwick will know the Hawks list inside out and will know the crap from the cream. If Hardwick thinks it's worth it then we have to back his judgement. I personally hope we keep Rance, I'd give them Moore or McGuane before Rance.
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Typical Richond, the supporters fall in love with yet another dud,He aint up to it, get an extra pick in the draft please
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Typical Richond, the supporters fall in love with yet another dud,He aint up to it, get an extra pick in the draft please
Why? So we can fall in love with the player we draft from the extra pick?
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Typical Richond, the supporters fall in love with yet another dud,He aint up to it, get an extra pick in the draft please
Typical comment from a typical clown that never has anything good to say about any player, supporter, coach, board member or anyone associated with the RFC.
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
i agree rance should be one of the top 10 first names read out that is a must to have in 2010..He had Wallet as his coach so thats enough to add flaws to anyones game.
Hardwick wont let him go, you can bet your life on it.
I don't see the Club trading Rance given he's a young tall (unless it turned out he himself told the club he wanted out). However unless your name is Cotchin or Deledio at Punt Rd then no one is untradable if an offer too good to refuse is put on the table.
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
i agree rance should be one of the top 10 first names read out that is a must to have in 2010..He had Wallet as his coach so thats enough to add flaws to anyones game.
Hardwick wont let him go, you can bet your life on it.
I don't see the Club trading Rance given he's a young tall (unless it turned out he himself told the club he wanted out). However unless your name is Cotchin or Deledio at Punt Rd then no one is untradable if an offer too good to refuse is put on the table.
So you would trade Vickery, Post, Reiwoldt, Morton, Collins, Cousins and Tambling for unknowns?? Considering all of those players mentioned other than Cuz are supposidly the future of the club with the next lot of draft picks. I am confused??
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
i agree rance should be one of the top 10 first names read out that is a must to have in 2010..He had Wallet as his coach so thats enough to add flaws to anyones game.
Hardwick wont let him go, you can bet your life on it.
I don't see the Club trading Rance given he's a young tall (unless it turned out he himself told the club he wanted out). However unless your name is Cotchin or Deledio at Punt Rd then no one is untradable if an offer too good to refuse is put on the table.
So you would trade Vickery, Post, Reiwoldt, Morton, Collins, Cousins and Tambling for unknowns?? Considering all of those players mentioned other than Cuz are supposidly the future of the club with the next lot of draft picks. I am confused??
Yes you are confused.
Of course the club would trade any of the players you mentioned for the right deal.
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FFS you lot, Rance is a young man with plenty of potential that has only really had a go this year and he showed some great signs. Why the hell would we trade him, a good pre-season under his belt working on a few areas he needs improving on and he could be anything.
He has the same hardness at the ball Hardwick had and is probably the only player that is not afraid to put his head over the ball........ so lets trade him.... FFS... :banghead
I think you may be as confused as me then, why would you trade Vickery our first round pick at pick 8 last year, if we were offered pick 9 for him would you still trade him? Sp would West Coat trade Natanui, no they are not that stupid.
Lets be realistic people the best pick we would get for any player worth trading would be a 3rd or 4th rounder so let it go we won't be getting any first round picks because at this stage we don't have the talent.
i agree rance should be one of the top 10 first names read out that is a must to have in 2010..He had Wallet as his coach so thats enough to add flaws to anyones game.
Hardwick wont let him go, you can bet your life on it.
I don't see the Club trading Rance given he's a young tall (unless it turned out he himself told the club he wanted out). However unless your name is Cotchin or Deledio at Punt Rd then no one is untradable if an offer too good to refuse is put on the table.
So you would trade Vickery, Post, Reiwoldt, Morton, Collins, Cousins and Tambling for unknowns?? Considering all of those players mentioned other than Cuz are supposidly the future of the club with the next lot of draft picks. I am confused??
Yes you are confused.
Of course the club would trade any of the players you mentioned for the right deal.
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So you would trade Vickery, Post, Reiwoldt, Morton, Collins, Cousins and Tambling for unknowns?? Considering all of those players mentioned other than Cuz are supposidly the future of the club with the next lot of draft picks. I am confused??
If the offer was too good to refuse then yes. If Melbourne offered their first two picks for any one of the above leaving us with the first 3 picks in this year's draft would you say no?
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Pick 9 would not be enough to get a deal done IMHO. Rance is worth more, Rance for 9 + Campbell then yeah why not ... but not 9 on its own.
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So you would trade Vickery, Post, Reiwoldt, Morton, Collins, Cousins and Tambling for unknowns?? Considering all of those players mentioned other than Cuz are supposidly the future of the club with the next lot of draft picks. I am confused??
Depending on the deal - with the exception of Tambling - yes I would.
Said it before and I will say it again - You have to trade something decent to get something decent.
This year if any club is prepared to put their first round pick on the table you must at the very least find out what it was going to cost
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Typical Richond, the supporters fall in love with yet another dud,He aint up to it, get an extra pick in the draft please
Typical comment from a typical clown that never has anything good to say about any player, supporter, coach, board member or anyone associated with the RFC.
Thats a bit tough :o
That why we havent been successful and still continue to fail, your funny.
Hey WA, just remind you we finished 2nd last due to the fact our players AINT good enough. ::) Its that simple enough for a simpleton :wallywink
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Rance has the perfect attitude, but his kicking makes me think he might be expendable at the right price (can now understand how he slipped to 18). If it meant getting another top 10 pick I'd probably have to say yes.
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We have to take risks folks. Our list is horrible. If we don't trade then we will build a list that will peak as a low finals contender. If we take risks and lose we will stay whwere we are. If we take risks and win then in 5 years we might have a shot of the flag.
Rance is a young fella who physically looks the part, has a great attitude but needs to do an enormous amount of work on his kicking and decision making.
I would take pick 9.
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;D As l said a few unhappy campers down at Tigerland who want to move on
If they dont wanna be there, then exit them in trades no matter what thier names are
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I'd let him go for pick 9.
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I'd let him go for pick 9.
He won't be traded
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We have to take risks folks. Our list is horrible. If we don't trade then we will build a list that will peak as a low finals contender. If we take risks and lose we will stay whwere we are. If we take risks and win then in 5 years we might have a shot of the flag.
Rance is a young fella who physically looks the part, has a great attitude but needs to do an enormous amount of work on his kicking and decision making.
I would take pick 9.
Thank you, although I woulld take anything like a player and a round 3 pick
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Typical Richond, the supporters fall in love with yet another dud,He aint up to it, get an extra pick in the draft please
Jackstar come on. I'm sure even you know not write off a kid under the age of 21.
Lets put the common sense hat back on.
You would have traded Tambling years ago only for it to come back and bite you on the ass.
Just let him be. He's only played a dozen AFL games if that. He's got a lot of developing left.
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i wouldn't be calling Tambling off limits because of 5 good games he played mid year.
its all about consistency and he is yet to prove that.
just on not writing kids off at 21. I remember people on here saying that about Schulz.
i dont care if there 21 or 41 if they are not up to it they are gone.
Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
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You people just dont realise.
Every player is tradeable for the right trade.
we need to trade players of value.
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You people just dont realise.
Every player is tradeable for the right trade.
And pick 9 would be the right price.
Not a third rounder and a player. ::)
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Pick 9 would not be enough to get a deal done IMHO. Rance is worth more, Rance for 9 + Campbell then yeah why not ... but not 9 on its own.
If Hawks offered 9 for Rance we'd take it in a flash.
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Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
We suffer from the 'one more year' syndrome though.
Krakouer, Hyde, Rodan, Ray Hall etc etc
We could have got something for them and ended up getting nothing or next to nothing. Now hindsight is great and you can't get everything right in practice, but you shouldn't be getting everything wrong either. Got to look at trading players when their reputation is at its zenith.
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Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
We suffer from the 'one more year' syndrome though.
Krakouer, Hyde, Rodan, Ray Hall etc etc
We could have got something for them and ended up getting nothing or next to nothing. Now hindsight is great and you can't get everything right in practice, but you shouldn't be getting everything wrong either. Got to look at trading players when their reputation is at its zenith.
of course and agree with you but i think Rance should be given a year away from the tanned one.
he should be played in the forward line for a start and him and jack should be assigned a forward development coach to concentrate on kicking and thats it.
if after one year he is still the same then offload him.
Its people like Schulz and Mclovin that should be offloaded first, even if it is 4th round picks
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Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
We suffer from the 'one more year' syndrome though.
Krakouer, Hyde, Rodan, Ray Hall etc etc
How would you trade Krakouer when he got delisted he was recruited by the WA state prison ;D & is still a current player of that prison system :rollin
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You people just dont realise.
Every player is tradeable for the right trade.
we need to trade players of value.
Not for a 3rd round pick we don't
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Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
We suffer from the 'one more year' syndrome though.
Krakouer, Hyde, Rodan, Ray Hall etc etc
How would you trade Krakouer when he got delisted he was recruited by the WA state prison ;D & is still a current player of that prison system :rollin
I don't think you are following. There was a time in the Frawley era when Krakouer was highly rated for having the X-factor, people were seriously asking whether he could be as good as his dad & uncle, both WA clubs were interested and there were rumours he wouldn't mind going back to Perth. Everyone who watched him week in week out could see that he had no tank and no determination to be even a solid AFL player. But we held onto him in the hope he might come good.
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Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
We suffer from the 'one more year' syndrome though.
Krakouer, Hyde, Rodan, Ray Hall etc etc
How would you trade Krakouer when he got delisted he was recruited by the WA state prison ;D & is still a current player of that prison system :rollin
I don't think you are following. There was a time in the Frawley era when Krakouer was highly rated for having the X-factor, people were seriously asking whether he could be as good as his dad & uncle, both WA clubs were interested and there were rumours he wouldn't mind going back to Perth. Everyone who watched him week in week out could see that he had no tank and no determination to be even a solid AFL player. But we held onto him in the hope he might come good.
i follow dont worry about that.
you are giving an example of Krackour was was a useless football and person to boot thats why he is where he is against Rance who may or may not make it, but looks okay so far.
His kicking looks terrible at times i agree, but maybe his not a defender maybe he is a forward, maybe it was all Terry's doing.
Last time i checked our side was full of skinny little weeds that cant hold or lay a tackle if their life depending on it. Rance is not one of them.
He is tall strong and can take a mark.
As i said give him another year if nothing changes then let him go. FFS what do you want a team of skinny little runts who also cant kick
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Tell me were joking right ( RFC to trade Alex Rance)
theres not too many Daniel Rich's or Joel Selwood's around who come in and have a blinder in their first season
Alex was banging the door down last year to get a game and when he got his oppertunity this year he did well
Remember the game v the Lions thats what we want to see in our young blokes commitment with the body (Dimma loves that sort of stuff)
If you blokes had your way we would swap out atleast 20 players every season
come on fellas give the young blokes a chance :banghead :banghead :banghead
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i wouldn't be calling Tambling off limits because of 5 good games he played mid year.
its all about consistency and he is yet to prove that.
just on not writing kids off at 21. I remember people on here saying that about Schulz.
i dont care if there 21 or 41 if they are not up to it they are gone.
Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
Even though this is a "Rance thread" I cant let your Tambling comment go through to the keeper.
Only 5 good games ? From rd 6 to rd 17 Tambo played the type of football you would expect from a pick 4.
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i wouldn't be calling Tambling off limits because of 5 good games he played mid year.
its all about consistency and he is yet to prove that.
just on not writing kids off at 21. I remember people on here saying that about Schulz.
i dont care if there 21 or 41 if they are not up to it they are gone.
Rance should stay and will stay. 1 more year and if his kicking doesnt improve ill look at getting rid of him. Plenty of more to go before him
Even though this is a "Rance thread" I cant let your Tambling comment go through to the keeper.
Only 5 good games ? From rd 6 to rd 17 Tambo played the type of football you would expect from a pick 4.
okay sorry i stand corrected. 5 or 11 is irrelvant
its about consistency mate and whilst he is on the right track, he has plenty of work to do before i start labelling him the next Andy McLeod
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i follow dont worry about that.
Sorry I was talking to Tigermonk ...
Any way the Krakouer thing yes he turned out to be a rubbish footballer, but I think if you listened to fans in the first few years of his career Tiger fans were raving about him. It is hard to believe now, but we could easily have got a second round pick for him.
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I just think that at this stage we have to have a little faith that the new coaching regime can delevop players like Rance into quality AFL players.
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Pick 9 would not be enough to get a deal done IMHO. Rance is worth more, Rance for 9 + Campbell then yeah why not ... but not 9 on its own.
I can't see the Hawks giving up Campbell especially with Bailey going down again. The only ruckman they would offload is Simon Taylor because he's just VFL standard. As for Rance's value it's what others are willing to pay for him. As WP said first round picks especially top 10ers will be like hens' teeth this year with the compromised draft and you'll have to look at it if the Hawks put pick 9 on the table.
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Funny, not many players are at their best second year in. Its insane to develop young players and discard them after one year in the system for less than their worth. Kids have good and bad weeks and Rance has the right atttitude. I wouldn't swap him unless we got two first round picks!
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Keep hearing good stuff about Hardwick now that I am prepared to listen. May just pull of few of these types up to where their potential lies. :pray
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Rance is an average footballer with terrible kicking skills and gets caught with the ball to often to be not called slow minded. If any club was bumb enough to offer an early pick we would be MAD not to take it. We picked him up at pick 18 and in the two years he has been at the club he has shown not much really. In fact he was dropped from our very, very average side toward the end of the year. And he played better under TW coaching than Jade's.
He is a half back flanker/back pocket at best and we seem to have a few at the moment that are similar in Moore, Thursfield, McGuane and even Post but if we were to get pick 9 you would not pick up a HBF, you would pick up an elite kid midfielder that would hopefully take us to the finals.
As for Bling, same goes, he may turn out to be ok at best but still not an elite footballer that early picks (pick 4) are designed for. Again nobody picks up a half back flanker with pick 4 and imo he will never be a star mid. Don't get me wrong, i like both guys but the reality is we could do better with the early picks and a little luck.
And our luck has to turn at some stage!
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Rance is an average footballer with terrible kicking skills and gets caught with the ball to often to be not called slow minded. If any club was bumb enough to offer an early pick we would be MAD not to take it. We picked him up at pick 18 and in the two years he has been at the club he has shown not much really. In fact he was dropped from our very, very average side toward the end of the year. And he played better under TW coaching than Jade's.
He is a half back flanker/back pocket at best and we seem to have a few at the moment that are similar in Moore, Thursfield, McGuane and even Post but if we were to get pick 9 you would not pick up a HBF, you would pick up an elite kid midfielder that would hopefully take us to the finals.
As for Bling, same goes, he may turn out to be ok at best but still not an elite footballer that early picks (pick 4) are designed for. Again nobody picks up a half back flanker with pick 4 and imo he will never be a star mid. Don't get me wrong, i like both guys but the reality is we could do better with the early picks and a little luck.
And our luck has to turn at some stage!
At least there is someone on this forum that doesnt beleive in the tooth fairy.
Big tone. Great post, at least you know your football and understand what is needed to get the RFC up the ladder,
Not like some of the nuffers on here
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Rance was good before his head injury.
I am think it is too early call him a 'average footballer'.
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This isn't on the net so I typed it out.
Tigers tie up Rance
Herald-Sun Footy Shorts
By Jay Clark, Michelangelo Rucci
Sat 05 SEP 2009, Page 48
ALEX Rance is poised to sign a new two-year deal with Richmond.
The young defender met new Tigers coach Damien Hardwick this week and emerged feeling optimistic about the prospects of playing a more attacking role next season.
It is believed the 19-year-old never seriously considered a trade back home to a West Australian club.
Rance has played 15 AFL games since he was taken at pick 18 in 2007.
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Thanks for typing that out..
great news!!
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but rance cant kick
why do we keep players that cant kick
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As Jack dyer would say"he's where the ball is not where it aint"
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19 is his age, give him until he is 21, Hey Anthony and Broughton are older then 21.
How come other supporters don't slag off on most of their players when the side is down, thats right we are passionate :ROTFL
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I am pleased that he has resigned with us.
And he has a lot of development to go before casting him off in my opinion.
So now he has the chance to futher all that here with us.
And I would say he at the end will be a shinning light for us.
And we will wonder why we wanted to let him go.
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I am pleased that he has resigned with us.
And he has a lot of development to go before casting him off in my opinion.
So now he has the chance to futher all that here with us.
And I would say he at the end will be a shinning light for us.
And we will wonder why we wanted to let him go.
I am resigned to the fact that he has resigned with the club and didn't resign from the club.
:cheers
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:clapping :clapping :clapping. Finally some common sence has prevailed at the club, this is what I have been talking about all along, now you lot get off the freaking trade wagon regarding these kids. It is quite obvious Hardwick see's potential in this kid as I do, so some players are NOT tradeable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am pleased that he has resigned with us.
And he has a lot of development to go before casting him off in my opinion.
So now he has the chance to futher all that here with us.
And I would say he at the end will be a shinning light for us.
And we will wonder why we wanted to let him go.
Agree 110% Bushy. Way to early to be making calls on his career - I reckon he is a perfect fit for Harwick's style. With all this talk of trading value to get value we musn't make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Lot's more talent in our list than most are giving credit for at the moment. Let's clean out the obvious and then see what 2010 brings.
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will be good news when he inks a contract, can never afford to lose quality young players, from what I understand this kid has real leadership about him too... :gotigers
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On his fan facebook page it says Rance has re-signed for 2 years
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alex-Rance/75008699870?_fb_noscript=1 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alex-Rance/75008699870?_fb_noscript=1)
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Looks like a fan page to me . . . .
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Rance was good before his head injury.
I am think it is too early call him a 'average footballer'.
Yer, lets wait a couple of years and then call him average. As i said, i like the guy but i would like a star mid better. He is a 'tryer' at the very best.
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Not on the net but from Hutchy's column in the Sunday Herald-Sun...
WANTED TIGER
AN AGGRESSIVE bid from Hawthorn to lure Alex Rance has failed.
Rance late this week signed a new contract with the Tigers.
The 193cm midfielder backman had been one of several defensive targets for the Hawks, who are believed to have met the youngster last week.
The appointment of the hard-nosed Hardwick made re-signing Rance a far easier prospect.
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Not on the net but from Hutchy's column in the Sunday Herald-Sun...
WANTED TIGER
AN AGGRESSIVE bid from Hawthorn to lure Alex Rance has failed.
Rance late this week signed a new contract with the Tigers.
The 193cm midfielder backman had been one of several defensive targets for the Hawks, who are believed to have met the youngster last week.
The appointment of the hard-nosed Hardwick made re-signing Rance a far easier prospect.
Same old Richmond, had the chance to make a tough call but failed again. It's easier just to sit on our hands so we don't make any mistakes than put our balls on the line and try and make a difference.
Lets just keep the same players that did us so well this year! :banghead
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rance is clumsy and cant kick , this will never change
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can a judgement be made on an 18-19 year old after 2 years in the AFL system?
Surely the next 2-3 years will tell the tale with him.One should expect significant improvement in that time.
I know he has areas of his game that are deficient but we must allow for maturity and development here
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Same old Richmond, had the chance to make a tough call but failed again. It's easier just to sit on our hands so we don't make any mistakes than put our balls on the line and try and make a difference.
Lets just keep the same players that did us so well this year! :banghead
Our club is in the poo it is in because we continually look for the "wonder trade" that will deliver us salvation. Time to focus on drafting and player development rather than trading.
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jezza too right ,our club needs to focus in this area
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Not on the net but from Hutchy's column in the Sunday Herald-Sun...
WANTED TIGER
AN AGGRESSIVE bid from Hawthorn to lure Alex Rance has failed.
Rance late this week signed a new contract with the Tigers.
The 193cm midfielder backman had been one of several defensive targets for the Hawks, who are believed to have met the youngster last week.
The appointment of the hard-nosed Hardwick made re-signing Rance a far easier prospect.
Same old Richmond, had the chance to make a tough call but failed again. It's easier just to sit on our hands so we don't make any mistakes than put our balls on the line and try and make a difference.
Lets just keep the same players that did us so well this year! :banghead
Are you privy to what the Hawks offered, are you? ::)
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so some players are NOT tradeable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The argument is not about whether players are tradeable or not tradeable
It is about the club making sure it investigates all options available to it and that inlcudes kids that have only been there 2. 3 or 4 years. If the Dawks offered Franklin or Hodge for Rance are you still saying the kid is a "NOT tradeable"? As I said the club has a responsibility oto investigate all options
Whether we as supporters like it or not there are probably only 2 maybe 4 players on our list that would come under the NOT radeable category
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can a judgement be made on an 18-19 year old after 2 years in the AFL system?
Surely the next 2-3 years will tell the tale with him.One should expect significant improvement in that time.
I know he has areas of his game that are deficient but we must allow for maturity and development here
yes, history has shown if u cant kicl by 16/17 yoiu will never be able to kick
its not rocket science, these skills must be ingrained at a very early age, how many yrs do u have to perist with players that are clumsy and cannot hit targets
foley had poor disposal with the geelong falcons, he still has poor disposal and that is fact
how many yrs wa d kellaway in the system, never learned to improve is kicking
if u cant kick now u will never be able to kick
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Same old Richmond, had the chance to make a tough call but failed again. It's easier just to sit on our hands so we don't make any mistakes than put our balls on the line and try and make a difference.
Lets just keep the same players that did us so well this year! :banghead
Our club is in the poo it is in because we continually look for the "wonder trade" that will deliver us salvation. Time to focus on drafting and player development rather than trading.
I didn't say i wanted a player for player 'wonder trade', an early draft pick is what i would have liked. At least looking into what we could have got for him would have been smarter than not looking at it at all.
And i agree we need to develop players better but sometimes these players just don't look like improving there kicking and decission making- both pretty hard to teach.
Anyway he has signed, so, so be it.
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Not on the net but from Hutchy's column in the Sunday Herald-Sun...
WANTED TIGER
AN AGGRESSIVE bid from Hawthorn to lure Alex Rance has failed.
Rance late this week signed a new contract with the Tigers.
The 193cm midfielder backman had been one of several defensive targets for the Hawks, who are believed to have met the youngster last week.
The appointment of the hard-nosed Hardwick made re-signing Rance a far easier prospect.
Same old Richmond, had the chance to make a tough call but failed again. It's easier just to sit on our hands so we don't make any mistakes than put our balls on the line and try and make a difference.
Lets just keep the same players that did us so well this year! :banghead
Are you privy to what the Hawks offered, are you? ::)
Not privy at all, just saying we should have looked at it before signing the guy for anther 2 years. Has he been that good that we shouldn't have even looked at it? Time will tell if it was a good move but imo i think he will be another hard at it bloke that cannot hit a target.
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Gotta love the way some people offer 1 opinion, whatever that is! And cetain 'nuffers' like to go on and on and on about theirs! Think that shows who the real nuffers are. To early to call on Rance, some of you guys probably think you'd walk into a recruiting role or even senior coaching position :rollin Get over yourselves losers ......
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Gotta love the way some people offer 1 opinion, whatever that is! And cetain 'nuffers' like to go on and on and on about theirs! Think that shows who the real nuffers are. To early to call on Rance, some of you guys probably think you'd walk into a recruiting role or even senior coaching position :rollin Get over yourselves losers ......
and its funny how some fheads think they are so clever but they are as intelligent as a bucket full of crushed crabs
facts are rance cannot hit targets by hand or foot and is clumsey. this has been ingrained in him and wont change esp under pressure
this is the problem with so many "intelligent" tiger fans, they overrrate our list and ability of each player!
it is only the so called "nuffers" that see it as it is
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Last night Caro on 3aw said Rance re-signed last Friday.
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Tigers can see the light: Rance
richmondfc.com.au
By Chris Pike
Mon 26 April, 2010
ALEX Rance, who earned his stripes as a defender and is now learning the ropes as a forward, believes Sunday night's effort against Fremantle shows there is light at the end of the tunnel for Richmond.
That tunnel looked a long and dark one at times after losses to Carlton, the Western Bulldogs, Sydney Swans and Melbourne, but Rance hopes a five-goal to nil opening and encouraging performance against Fremantle at Subiaco Oval leads to more improvement.
"They are a very good side, but we did think they were gettable and that we could beat them with our game style. We are disappointed, but there are positive signs to take out of it," he said.
"There's just some little things letting us down. We can see the light at the end of the tunnel now, which is good, and our work is slowly paying off, but we'll take a win any day."
Rance was taken at No.18 in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft and it was last year he took the next step as a courageous defender, but coach Damien Hardwick has thrown him forward and it worked as he booted three goals.
He is enjoying the new role and is confident that with Jack Riewoldt and a good mix of first-year players down there that the forward-line can develop nicely.
"I will take a win over three goals any day, but it's starting to work better and I can use my tank a bit more by running the patterns," Rance said. "I'd like to think that I can play at both ends and that I can still have the aspect to my game where I can defend.
"Down the track I wouldn’t mind being thrown down back again, but at the moment being forward is good to me.
"We've got a lot of young names down there like Troy Taylor, Dave Astbury, Ben Nason and it's very exciting for the future and they have a bit of toe about them."
Rance was drafted from WAFL club Swan Districts so enjoyed the chance to return to Perth, but even though there were good signs against Fremantle, he was disappointed not to get the Tigers' first win of 2010.
According to Rance, the Tigers are looking forward to all challenges and there's none bigger than reigning premiers Geelong next Sunday at Skilled Stadium.
"We are relishing the challenges at the moment and whether we run out of gas or not, we'll just give it everything and if we can improve on one little thing then it's a win for us," he said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/93049/default.aspx
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Great kick for goal but only received those shots from brave free kicks. If he is to become a legitimate forward he needs to learn how to lead up and take an over head mark though!
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Great kick for goal but only received those shots from brave free kicks. If he is to become a legitimate forward he needs to learn how to lead up and take an over head mark though!
That will come IMO stripes, like you said he is brave and we need players like that and how good was his kicking for goal, never looked like he was going miss. Really impressed me in this game.
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The thing is he earned those free kicks and showed that he can kick straight.
I was one thinking that because of his disposal he didn't have much to offer, but his goal kicking showed that he may have something to offer after all.
Will be interesting to see if he can back up next week and start to provide a target up forward.
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Great kick for goal but only received those shots from brave free kicks. If he is to become a legitimate forward he needs to learn how to lead up and take an over head mark though!
maybe rance was not put fwd to be a leading target , we had riewoldt and astbury 4 that
maybe rance had a role to play defensive . fight hard to keep the contest in teh fwd 50, aspects which mitch morton is very poor at
in teh end we had rance , not as skilled as mortn but imo played a good game, i am a rance knocker but if he keep sthat up ,itch with struggle to get his spot back as rance can play tall and small and is defensively a goer, unlike mitch
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Rance was briefly on TAC Future stars with Hutchy, Plough, Kevin Sheehan and Dixon.
* Sees himself playing down back although he enjoyed his time up forward when he did.
* Knows he still needs to work on a few things at VFL level. Needs to work on his balance and decision making but his hardness and workrate is what he compensates his average skills with
* Polak is okay. Spoke to Polly today. He doesn't recall much of the incident.
* Plough said Rance set the example at training when he arrived. Asked Alex if he always had that strong work ethic as a junior footballers. Rance said he's not the most skillful footballer so he'll do whatever it takes to work harder than others and eventually get into the team.
* Dixon asked if Rance with his workrate could become a tagger as Ling did (Ling was a junior FF who became a midfield tagger) and Plough said yes. Club needs to find out where to play him.
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Here's the video of Rance on TAC Future Stars today...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbNjOmNWbFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbNjOmNWbFE)
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Rance's footskills were the problem yesterday at Coburg. I thought his first half was good and he worked really hard across the park and to pressurise. Running off half-back though he kicked a couple of grubbers under no physical pressure :P. Poor footskills won't cut it at AFL level.
As a tagger Rance played on Goodes once with not much success from memory. I think it was one of those games at the SCG in the past couple of seasons that Goodes in his prime tore us to shreds out of the centre. Rance was younger and less experienced then though so maybe another attempt as a tagger may be worthwhile to see if he could play that role.
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Craig Cameron said today on the radio that Alex had been squeezed out of our defence with the players we have in there. We've moved him around a fair bit this year. Over the preseason we plan to find him a position and settle him in there.
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Craig Cameron said today on the radio that Alex had been squeezed out of our defence with the players we have in there. We've moved him around a fair bit this year. Over the preseason we plan to find him a position and settle him in there.
Dont know why. he clearly isnt up to it
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Don't agree Jack, I reckon he'd be at about the same development as an Andrew Mackie who turned into a All Australian defender.
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There wasn't a real lot to fault about his game today.
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equally worried about young Post. :help
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I thought Rance had a fairly good game yesterday
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equally worried about young Post. :help
Seen some better signs from Post, thought he was okay
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Agree with Chuck. Did a good spoil on Nick when a goal looked certain
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Next up is Rance who is entering into his 4th year with 25 games under his belt.
What are your expectations for Alex in 2011 and what would be a good year for him?
Career so far:
Games Kicks HBalls Disp. Marks Tackles G.B 1st poss. Clear. In50 R50 1%ers
2008 -
2009 15 4.6 9.0 13.6 3.1 2.9 1.2
2010 10 5.5 6.6 12.1 3.6 2.3 6.3 0.9 0.9 1.5 1.3 5.1
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1907&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2008018
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2011 Richmond Player Countdown - 18 Alex Rance
http://fightingfury.tumblr.com/post/3667297648/2011-richmond-player-countdown-18-alex-rance
Young Alex Rance seemed to tread a bit of water in terms of development last season. He didn’t play terribly but it wasn’t great either and his sub-par performances saw him dropped to Coburg twice during the year. In Alex’s total of 10 games in 2010 we saw him play predominantly as a key backman, however his questionable decision making under pressure saw him moved up forward on occasions.
In 2011 we may see Rance played more in the midfield and up forward where he can use his bigger sized body and undeniable courage to hurt opposition players. The experiment seems to have worked so far this preseason with Alex finding much more of the football through the middle of the ground. With his last couple of seasons being a bit shaky Rance needs a good year to ensure his place on the list is safe for another year. Alex’s job won’t be easy though as there is plenty of competition for backline spots in the Richmond side. There is one thing you can’t question about Rance though, namely his unbelievable courage and heart; meaning he won’t die wondering what if!
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should win the B& F at Coburg :thumbsup
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I think this is a big improvement year for Rance.
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A month ago my expectations were that it would be his last season on the list. He has actually started to look more comfortable and composed in the practice games though, so will I reserve my judgment for now. He has the body to be a valuable contributor, but does he have the brain?
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Interesting one
See Dimma was happy with his game on Friday night especially the defensive side of things
Would be good if he could hold down a position down back becasue he can play on talls and as well as mobile players
12-18 games would be a good return IMV
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I think this is a big improvement year for Rance.
A month ago my expectations were that it would be his last season on the list. He has actually started to look more comfortable and composed in the practice games though, so will I reserve my judgment for now. He has the body to be a valuable contributor, but does he have the brain?
my sentiments exactly. I've actually seen significantly less deer in headlights type stuff from young Rance this preseason. I'm expecting a big improvement year.
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ive done a full 180 on this bloke. i really loved him as a junior and was pretty happy we drafted him.
now the more i see the more i worry. i wont go into detail im just hopeful that it will turn around.
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One of the players in danger of being delisted at the end of the year if he does not improve dramatically. Needs to find a position in the team. For me I would prefer him to play in the backline. He has a good attitude. He needs to improve his decision making and his disposal. If he played more than 14 games this season it would be a good season. I really hope for him and the team he has a brilliant year.
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If he comes on and has a serviceable (or dare I hope breakout) year then it will be a bonus because I'm not expecting him to.
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Has the big puppy matured?
We'll see..my expectations are low.
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Interesting one
See Dimma was happy with his game on Friday night especially the defensive side of things
Would be good if he could hold down a position down back becasue he can play on talls and as well as mobile players
12-18 games would be a good return IMV
I agree this is an intersting one, its make or break for him this year.
I saw how Dimma thought he was good but I thought he was average to say the least. He was often out of position and a couple fo times was well and truely beaten (oh it was franklin but the point stays). Did a couple of good this and his dipsosal was better than we have seen in the past so mabe the rest will come too. Maybe Dimma is trying to get his confidence up but if he cant improve on that and is in our best 22 then we are in trouble. This is where we are at, its guys like Rance and Graham that will dictate this season, improvement has to come from them not the just year 1 and 2 guys.
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I agree with everyone here - just not sure on Rance. His run from defence is usually disasterous and those 360 degree turns he does under pressure are agonizing :banghead He is one of the few players I know who is a good player without the ball but average with it. Has the size, speed and strength to make a good defender but Leppa has a lot of work to do with his to ensure he knows exactly what to do when and how to get the ball out of his hands quickly to a better decision maker/ball user.
Just not sure this fellow with make it :-\
Stripes
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expectations on rance have just improved markedly.
Was sure he would be delisted at the end of 2011. Now I believe he has won back the respect of the coaching staff, and his job on Buddy in Shepp in the first half, had to be seen to be believed.
May suprise big time this year.
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For some garbage tunnelling incident?
Also for his hit on Raines :clapping
Elected to bump and shoulder hit face. Raines was down for a while. :-X
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Can't recall but hope not. His form has been great this year.
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For some garbage tunnelling incident?
Also for his hit on Raines :clapping
Elected to bump and shoulder hit face. Raines was down for a while. :-X
FFS its not netball. :banghead
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For some garbage tunnelling incident?
Also for his hit on Raines :clapping
Elected to bump and shoulder hit face. Raines was down for a while. :-X
FFS its not netball. :banghead
Was no different to his hit on Waite, except the ball was in play.
Who knows.
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No chance of getting suspended for that, ball was in play and both went for the ball.
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Probably Rance's best game for Richmond last night. He did a great job taking Clark out of the game.
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No chance of getting suspended for that, ball was in play and both went for the ball.
Agree TFL. And as for the tunneling incident, on the replay it looked more like Merrett's momentum caused it.
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For some garbage tunnelling incident?
Also for his hit on Raines :clapping
Elected to bump and shoulder hit face. Raines was down for a while. :-X
it wasn't even a free Kick
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he didnt tunnel, he lead the player under the ball which is all ok
clark was / is a softie
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if they come down rance for a contest where both blokes had eyes for the ball then they might as well pack up and stuff off.
The problem is...and we will see more of it...is that players will not protect themselves in these situations. They are becoming wary of turning side on in preparation for a bump in case the opponent doesnt and head contact is made.
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Was at the game and haven't seen the replay, I remember it and didn't have any concerns at all "Nice hit' It is footy after all.
:rollin @ Raines also
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PLayed a great game last night did Alex, defended really well and provided a good outlet out of defence. His disposal was very good last night. :thumbsup
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PLayed a great game last night did Alex, defended really well and provided a good outlet out of defence. His disposal was very good last night. :thumbsup
agree
i am really liing the way he is developing under dimma
his skills were always iffy but this yr he has been really good
well done rancey
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With the MRP's record I'm worried
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With the MRP's record I'm worried
what for he did nothing wrong
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With the MRP's record I'm worried
what for he did nothing wrong
I know! IMO he did nothing wrong in the Waite incident either except stand his ground and copped 3 - you just dont know with those clown
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Who'd have thunk it. ;D
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Growing in confidence. Kacks all over McGuane.
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Who'd have thunk it. ;D
Probably anyone who watched his junior career and doesn't write off kpps when they aren't even 20 years old
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Who'd have thunk it. ;D
Probably anyone who watched his junior career and doesn't write off kpps when they aren't even 20 years old
I was really surprised to see you mention he's played about 28 games or so? wow, sometimes we supporters need to pull our heads in and not expect too much - 30 games is nothing.The first 30-40 games are a blur for all but the most exceptional juniors. Only once a player gets to 50-60 games do they settle down and start getting a real feel for the game. The fact Rance is settling so well so early is a massive positive
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Never really been a fan....Always thought he resembled Derek Zoolander trying to play footy.
However I thought he was terrific last night (best game for the club) and starting to see why Dimma was pumping his tyres up so much.
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Who'd have thunk it. ;D
Probably anyone who watched his junior career and doesn't write off kpps when they aren't even 20 years old
Haha well said Inf. Well said.
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All Tigers given the all clear from the MRP; Jacko wasn't playing ;D
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:lol
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Great news.
I was a bit worried. You never know these days. Matt MaGuire copped a week for a clash of heads FFS.
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Here's the official MRP report:
Contact between Richmond’s Alex Rance and the Brisbane Lions’ Andrew Raines from the fourth quarter of Saturday’s match was assessed. It was the view of the panel that both players were contesting the ball. No further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/112887/default.aspx
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good news that he's been cleared. he was superb against Brisbane.
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About time we got a right decision from the MRP.
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did alright with jacko, tucker,
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Also for his hit on Raines :clapping
Elected to bump and shoulder hit face. Raines was down for a while. :-X
Damn I loved that hit. Rance is a unit now.
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Rance is another Tiger now on twitter
http://twitter.com/TheTross18
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Mark Robinson is now a Rance fan....
4. Alex Rance
Hands up who thought this bloke would never make it? Courage mixed with an inflated ability to make basic errors look like catastrophes meant Rance was a constant risk. His courage is now complemented by enthusiasm, a wiser footy brain and commitment for the contest as good as any tall in the game. Took Ryder and Hille and although Hille looked dangerous, Rance was better on the rebound.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tackle
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He was immense, more than a few beers were saluted in appreciation of his performance that night :cheers
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this kid will be a winner. :thumbsup
:gotigers
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yep good game very good game. but one game doesnt make the concerns go away.
sorry people but i still worry abouyt him in the air his decision making and propensity for the howler.
dont get me wrong im not having a shot at him its just that he will have to have a consitent yr or two with consistent improvement in these areas for him to win me over.
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yep good game very good game. but one game doesnt make the concerns go away.
sorry people but i still worry abouyt him in the air his decision making and propensity for the howler.
dont get me wrong im not having a shot at him its just that he will have to have a consitent yr or two with consistent improvement in these areas for him to win me over.
Ummm yes you are
Kind of like "No offence, but you are a complete tool"
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Whilst I may not be his biggest fan his game against Essendon was very good. His attitude and his courage can never be questioned. I hope he continues to play the way he did against Essendon for the rest of his career
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yep good game very good game. but one game doesnt make the concerns go away.
sorry people but i still worry abouyt him in the air his decision making and propensity for the howler.
dont get me wrong im not having a shot at him its just that he will have to have a consitent yr or two with consistent improvement in these areas for him to win me over.
Would agree, his games against Freo and Dogs were ordinary.
To the kids credit he played extremely well on sat night.
i also worry about his ability in the air and his skill in jumping to spoil. Was poor against Minson and Bradley.
I would like to see a month of solid games to establish himself and to set himself a bench mark for performance,
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his game vs Freo was quite good IMHO.
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it wasnt the only good game he has played this year...once he is AA at seasons end im sure most will then agree he is our best defender...
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I would like to see a month of solid games to establish himself and to set himself a bench mark for performance,
Why? You've already said he's not up to it and won't make it. Back yourself in mate :thumbsup
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I have always liked Rance and thought he could make it, he just needs to keep it going now, not much point having one very good game. Cameo's are no good in this team now, if you can play like that one week you should be able to at least put that effort in every week.
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I would like to see a month of solid games to establish himself and to set himself a bench mark for performance,
Why? You've already said he's not up to it and won't make it. Back yourself in mate :thumbsup
One game doesnt make a career.
Richmond Football Club has been littered with guys playing 5 good games in a year, then they get a 3year contract for $$$$$. Ben Holland ring a bell people.
I liked Rances courage on sat night.
he did play very well, not denying that at all.
need to go with it now.
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One game doesnt make a career.
But is apparently enough to write one off :shh
Stick fat Jackie
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I don't think he'll be a KP defender I see him mould into a tallish medium defender that is strong bodied who can assist rebound and carry the footy.
He's already shown to be a better disposal than McGuane.
Harry O, Corey Enright, Dale Morris type players should be what he's aiming for. He's not going to be a Merret, Garland, Jamieson type defender.
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One game doesnt make a career.
But is apparently enough to write one off :shh
Stick fat Jackie
was dropped 3 times last year and the club even tried to play his as a forward at the start of 2010.
His form was poor.
To the kids credit, he had a great game the other night.
Watched the replay again last night, one of his problems is that he goes to ground too easy.
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he's far from perfect but he's coming along for a 21yr old 30 gamer
shown he can play to a high standard at the level
will have his ups and downs - especially at Full Back
needs to develop his consistency like all young players but he's played more good games than poor ones this year so that's a step in the right direction
wont die wondering with this one
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Watched the replay again last night, one of his problems is that he goes to ground too easy.
he aint alone there ;D
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Ummm yes you are
Kind of like "No offence, but you are a complete tool"
:lol
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yep good game very good game. but one game doesnt make the concerns go away.
sorry people but i still worry abouyt him in the air his decision making and propensity for the howler.
dont get me wrong im not having a shot at him its just that he will have to have a consitent yr or two with consistent improvement in these areas for him to win me over.
Would agree, his games against Freo and Dogs were ordinary.
To the kids credit he played extremely well on sat night.
i also worry about his ability in the air and his skill in jumping to spoil. Was poor against Minson and Bradley.
I would like to see a month of solid games to establish himself and to set himself a bench mark for performance,
watch what you say jack, you will be having a shot at the kid and god knows none of our players deserve criticism of any kind.its amazing asking our players show consistency is perceived as having a go.
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Would rather he play as a back pocket or back flanker.
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Would rather he play as a back pocket or back flanker.
Would agree, although he aint quick enough.
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Would rather he play as a back pocket or back flanker.
Would agree, although he aint quick enough.
he aint slow either
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Steve Milne turned him inside out in a game last year..
he cannot play on a smaller nippy type forward, he isnt quick
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he's far from perfect but he's coming along for a 21yr old 30 gamer
shown he can play to a high standard at the level
will have his ups and downs - especially at Full Back
needs to develop his consistency like all young players but he's played more good games than poor ones this year so that's a step in the right direction
wont die wondering with this one
if we play him as a fb opposition ff will be jumping for joy. you only need look at his strengths or in this case his weaknesses to see why.
personally as a big bodied player id prefer he can defend first and provide run second. rather than run first and defense second. we have some excellent running defenders in newman deledio conca and batchelor. where we are having problems is the big blokes getting hold of us.
i hope people arent suggesting rance can do the role of these blokes. yep he provides some run but people have been telling me for yrs now so does mcguane.
one or two decent games does not make a player surely by now richmond people of all people have learnt this harsh lesson. and of course i expect more vitriol from the defenders of all things mediocre.
congrats alex on a good game now do it again and again and again.
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Steve Milne turned him inside out in a game last year..
he cannot play on a smaller nippy type forward, he isnt quick
That's a pretty ridiculous mismatch
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theres a lot of people in that club Jack.
Tip rat little turd.
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Steve Milne turned him inside out in a game last year..
he cannot play on a smaller nippy type forward, he isnt quick
That's a pretty ridiculous mismatch
well if your memory is good, we tried to play him on smaller types a year or so back, got flogged
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still a ridiculous and ignorant mismatch
milne is small and nimble and burns every one off, one of the best modern day small fwds and one of the best in history
milne more agile and nimble yes , but i bet if they did a 50 or 100 mt sprint rance would beat him
rance is not slow, FACT
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still a ridiculous and ignorant mismatch
milne is small and nimble and burns every one off, one of the best modern day small fwds and one of the best in history
milne more agile and nimble yes , but i bet if they did a 50 or 100 mt sprint rance would beat him
rance is not slow, FACT
alexs pace is nothing special he doesnt have the closing speed of say dylan grimes.
dont get me wrong hes a nice mover covers the ground nicely and moves well but he lacks that burst that i reckon most of the better kp defenders have.imo he will get caught out on the lead regularly. his body work atm is not good enough either these are just two reasons why i dont think he should ever be played at fb and left one out.
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still a ridiculous and ignorant mismatch
milne is small and nimble and burns every one off, one of the best modern day small fwds and one of the best in history
milne more agile and nimble yes , but i bet if they did a 50 or 100 mt sprint rance would beat him
rance is not slow, FACT
alexs pace is nothing special he doesnt have the closing speed of say dylan grimes.
dont get me wrong hes a nice mover covers the ground nicely and moves well but he lacks that burst that i reckon most of the better kp defenders have.imo he will get caught out on the lead regularly. his body work atm is not good enough either these are just two reasons why i dont think he should ever be played at fb and left one out.
Thanks Claw.
And you are also right about Grimes too, great closing speed.
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Grimes is a footballer.
Rance is an athlete.
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what does a fb in the modern game have to have.and im talking a well rounded fb someone who can be relied upon to take on and nullify the slower but powerful strong marking power forwards. or be able to take on the quick on the lead ffs or be able to take on and beat a combination of these things.
i think the basic ingredients are in no particular order strength, pace or closing speed, agility good players will try and turn you inside out. a damn good reader of the play to nullify and know when to go and know when stay.and a good decision maker when you get it, and strong in the air as well as one on one..theres a fair bit you want in your mdern day fb and if they lack in areas you want them with strengths to compensate.
to me as a fb rance lacks in a few of the critical areas.im not sure he has the strengths to compensate.
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Love him.
Showing MASSIVE improvement.
Critics should pipe down and get behind him because he could just end up an absolute ripper.
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good footballer is Alex :chuck
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His been disgraceful tonight.
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His been disgraceful tonight.
Disgracefull more often than not.
Just kicked the ball to the opposition that resulted in a goal.
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He is a 3rd tall, not a key back IMO
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Most of the team has been disgraceful.
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for those who think Rance is quick, I hope you were watching the TV then.
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free kick given away by Rance, another goal to Port :banghead
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better than that embarrassment called mcguane
I just want to belt that skinny piece of poo so called KPD - sick and stuffing tired of watching that GUMBY lose the ball in a tackle - NO AWARENESS atleast amongst Rance's stuff ups he made some crucial saves tonight
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spare me please
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spare me please
jack grab that axe youve been grinding and stick it up ur arse
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spare me please
jack grab that axe youve been grinding and stick it up ur behind
mate, he gave them four goals on a "'platter""
WATCH THE GAME
One good game in 8 doesnt make a career
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spare me please
jack grab that axe youve been grinding and stick it up ur behind
mate, he gave them four goals on a "'platter""
WATCH THE GAME
One good game in 8 doesnt make a career
STFU peanut
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spare me please
jack grab that axe youve been grinding and stick it up ur behind
mate, he gave them four goals on a "'platter""
WATCH THE GAME
One good game in 8 doesnt make a career
Jack, you're spot on! I, like others thought he turned the corner last week! Tonight, he showed us he hasn' t!
He has been in the system long enough now and shown nothing, apart from a lot of courage, not much!
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runs out of defence and kicks the balls 20 metres straight to the oppositiom which result in goals :banghead
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runs out of defence and kicks the balls 20 metres straight to the oppositiom which result in goals :banghead
Or watches the ball come in with a couple of lazy arms hanging around the waist or neck of an opponent, then hangs his arms out like Geez about to be crucified when he gets pinged!
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the free kicks he gave away were laughable
Dont care what anyone says on here, he isnt up too it.
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very poor again just not up to it. very poor in the air especially assurance and judgement .but it wasnt just in the air tonight, he was poor in most areas..
leopards do not change their spots.
how much did we miss grimes tonight.
have said it all along we have to find a chb and fb. in fact we are putting games into the wrong players mcguane is a hack rance is probably not good enough yet we play them week in week out.
why was jake batchelor on westhoff so much.
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very poor again just not up to it. very poor in the air especially assurance and judgement .but it wasnt just in the air tonight, he was poor in most areas..
leopards do not change their spots.
how much did we miss grimes tonight.
have said it all along we have to find a chb and fb. in fact we are putting games into the wrong players mcguane is a hack rance is probably not good enough yet we play them week in week out.
why was jake batchelor on westhoff so much.
bc our number 1 KPD and our most experienced defender is a bloody hack and isnt even trusted to play on the number 1 targets. They prefer a 35 game Rance a 7 game Grimes or a 10 game 188cm Batchelor
eff mcguane off
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very poor again just not up to it. very poor in the air especially assurance and judgement .but it wasnt just in the air tonight, he was poor in most areas..
leopards do not change their spots.
how much did we miss grimes tonight.
have said it all along we have to find a chb and fb. in fact we are putting games into the wrong players mcguane is a hack rance is probably not good enough yet we play them week in week out.
why was jake batchelor on westhoff so much.
Thank you Claw
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very poor again just not up to it. very poor in the air especially assurance and judgement .but it wasnt just in the air tonight, he was poor in most areas..
leopards do not change their spots.
how much did we miss grimes tonight.
have said it all along we have to find a chb and fb. in fact we are putting games into the wrong players mcguane is a hack rance is probably not good enough yet we play them week in week out.
why was jake batchelor on westhoff so much.
What did Westhoff achieve tonight?
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How much blame should our midfield get for the amount of pressure Rance was put under all game? We got smashed in the guts and the backline was under the pump for the entire game. Rance was the only one trying to attack the ball and get it out. I agree he made mistakes tonight but he wasn't alone there, obviously his mistakes cost the side more as they are close to the opposition goal.
Still ridiculous to write off such a young kpp when he played so well last week
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very poor again just not up to it. very poor in the air especially assurance and judgement .but it wasnt just in the air tonight, he was poor in most areas..
leopards do not change their spots.
how much did we miss grimes tonight.
have said it all along we have to find a chb and fb. in fact we are putting games into the wrong players mcguane is a hack rance is probably not good enough yet we play them week in week out.
why was jake batchelor on westhoff so much.
What did Westhoff achieve tonight?
22 possesions and in there best 3 players, thats all :banghead
schulz made rance look silly at times
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have to ask why matt white got a game sheesh another very ordinary outing and mich farmer was not much better. nahas while he tried hard and got a little bit of ball was ordinary.
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Should not have dropped Post. Believe bring back Thursfield if fit. Rance is not a key position player and nor is McGuane
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How much blame should our midfield get for the amount of pressure Rance was put under all game? We got smashed in the guts and the backline was under the pump for the entire game. Rance was the only one trying to attack the ball and get it out. I agree he made mistakes tonight but he wasn't alone there, obviously his mistakes cost the side more as they are close to the opposition goal.
Still ridiculous to write off such a young kpp when he played so well last week
I think you'll find J'star has Rance under a tight tag. ::)
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How much blame should our midfield get for the amount of pressure Rance was put under all game? We got smashed in the guts and the backline was under the pump for the entire game. Rance was the only one trying to attack the ball and get it out. I agree he made mistakes tonight but he wasn't alone there, obviously his mistakes cost the side more as they are close to the opposition goal.
Still ridiculous to write off such a young kpp when he played so well last week
Good post Inf.
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Rance would be a handy 3rd defender. Nick Maxwell type player.
Not really sold on having him as a KP Backman. Grimes is a player. Need to find another KP backman and a big big bodied one to replace McGuane and have all 3 playing together and I think we'd have a reasonable defence.
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the free kicks he gave away were laughable
Don't care what anyone says on here, he isn't up too it.
As bad as Rance was, and yes jack he was bad....he is 21 years old that is more than worth persevering with...he wasn't an orphan out there tonight.
He was stiff not to get a free kick when Schulz hung onto him after he had got rid of the ball (Schulz got a free kick earlier for exactly the same thing), his turnover coming out of the last line after defending so well was very poor. How about some scrutiny on a very very poor performance by our mids to get back and help our defenders?????? Non existant...its a team game and we didn't play team footy, full stop.
You can individualise all you like against Rance but let me tell you he wasn't the sole reason we lost the game, to coin one of your phrases JJ, I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS, WATCH THE GAME.
Simply our guys got ahead of themselves, Deledio on the Footy Show, Jackson on two shows for the week, Nahas middle page spread in the HUN coupled with playing guys who's form at Coburg certainly didn't warrant a game at Richmond in Helbig and Farmer is certainly very disappointing and a huge question mark over Dimmas selection criteria. Are we playing Helbig to justify our drafting? Or because Dimma loves him because I can assure you his form at Coburg had been nothing short of ordinary.
Forget about playing finals footy, we simply aren't ready to play finals....whats important is how we respond in two weeks time in Sydney some of the mids that really let us down last night showing a non willingness to work hard in oppressive conditions need to come out and make amends for such a poor showing last night.
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the free kicks he gave away were laughable
Dont care what anyone says on here, he isnt up too it.
he's a slow thinker. Takes too long to assess what's happening and has no awareness.
What about Miller? He's not up to it either but I haven't heard you say anything about him.
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the free kicks he gave away were laughable
Don't care what anyone says on here, he isn't up too it.
As bad as Rance was, and yes jack he was bad....he is 21 years old that is more than worth persevering with...he wasn't an orphan out there tonight.
He was stiff not to get a free kick when Schulz hung onto him after he had got rid of the ball (Schulz got a free kick earlier for exactly the same thing), his turnover coming out of the last line after defending so well was very poor. How about some scrutiny on a very very poor performance by our mids to get back and help our defenders?????? Non existant...its a team game and we didn't play team footy, full stop.
dont think you can blame our mids for many of the very elementary mistakes he made.
lets put the game itself aside and ask ourselves what attributes do you want in your key defenders apply them to rance and im sure any one who is honest will have alarm bells ringing.
Personally i think him sort of an in betweener. Not a good kpp, gets out bodied to easily and lacks judgement when the ball is in flight.
As a tall running player i dont think his skill set by foot and his decision making is good enough, would prefer to see someone with real hurt factor in these areas.
Yes hes 21 only played 30 40 odd games played the odd good game but their are constants with him and they continually plague his game.
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How much blame should our midfield get for the amount of pressure Rance was put under all game? We got smashed in the guts and the backline was under the pump for the entire game. Rance was the only one trying to attack the ball and get it out. I agree he made mistakes tonight but he wasn't alone there, obviously his mistakes cost the side more as they are close to the opposition goal.
Still ridiculous to write off such a young kpp when he played so well last week
EXACTLY!!! Why was he under so much pressure??? Because the midfield failed! If you're being battered the whole game you're going to make mistakes, as long as he keeps trying, it's when the white flag goes up that you should worry. But hey why pick on a few when you can single out one. so much more fun! ::)
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the reason being is, that he run out of defence twice and kicked it 20 metres to the opposition, thats why.
And the free kicks he gave away to schulz were ordinary.
Plus, he keeps falling over, bad news if you dont keep your feet when playing in D50, as it usally results in the opposition having a shot at goal
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the reason being is, that he run out of defence twice and kicked it 20 metres to the opposition, thats why.
And the free kicks he gave away to schulz were ordinary.
Plus, he keeps falling over, bad news if you dont keep your feet when playing in D50, as it usally results in the opposition having a shot at goal
You'll have egg on your face again Jack. Thought you knew more about footy than you do. (not really sure why)
Rance will be a good player at this club for a long time. Stop embarasing yourself and move on!
And before you ask, yes i did watch the game last night, like i watch every game a couple of times a week.
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How much blame should our midfield get for the amount of pressure Rance was put under all game? We got smashed in the guts and the backline was under the pump for the entire game. Rance was the only one trying to attack the ball and get it out. I agree he made mistakes tonight but he wasn't alone there, obviously his mistakes cost the side more as they are close to the opposition goal.
Still ridiculous to write off such a young kpp when he played so well last week
Spot on Infamy
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Rance to shoulder more
By Paul Daffey
4:25 PM Mon 13 Jun, 2011
RICHMOND defender Alex Rance could never be accused of going in half-hearted. The 21-year-old puts his head down and bores in for the ball like few others in the competition.
It's a practice that brought him undone on one infamous occasion, when he clashed heads with Brisbane Lion Troy Selwood in round seven, 2009. Rance had to have plates and screws inserted into his cheekbone to repair three small cracks in his face.
Generally, however, his courage serves him well, and makes him a valuable player in the Richmond line-up.
Coach Damien Hardwick said Rance was "pretty good" in his performance on Sydney Swans captain Adam Goodes during the Swans' 10-point victory at the SCG on Sunday.
Hardwick was slightly reserved in his praise because Goodes played his part in the Swans' splurge early in the last quarter when they kicked four of their nine goals. It gave the Swans a four-goal buffer that was enough to get them home.
"He competes really well, Alex," Hardwick said. "He's still got a fair way to go, he still makes some blues, but I thought his competitive nature came out in the end.
"Goodesy, to his credit, when the game was there to be won, he was up and about. So it was probably a 50-50 game."
The possession count suggests a strong victory to Rance. He had 24 disposals (10 kicks and 14 handballs) to Goodes' 10, including only four to half-time.
Rance had nine contested possessions and laid six tackles.
But Goodes was a dangerous forward throughout. He took nine marks, including four inside 50. His tally of no goals and four behinds suggests a limited output, but the Tigers were always wary of his potential to influence the game, correctly as it turned out.
While Rance's application is never under question, his concentration sometimes wavers, as might be expected for a young defender making his way.
And sometimes he is simply too eager for his own good. In his desire to spoil Swans forward Sam Reid during Reid's purple patch in the second quarter, Rance tripped over himself and involuntarily pushed Reid in the back. Reid earned a free kick, which brought him only a behind.
Richmond lost two defenders on Sunday: Luke McGuane was withdrawn from the selected side (replaced by Jake Batchelor) while David Astbury dislocated his knee in the first quarter, ruling him out for the season.
Rance is going to have to play a prominent role in the depleted defence. You can be sure he'll be giving his all.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/116172/default.aspx
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lets put the game itself aside and ask ourselves what attributes do you want in your key defenders apply them to rance and im sure any one who is honest will have alarm bells ringing.
I'll be honest...you're an idiot ! God there's some crap that gets posted on here at times. Watch a game and get a clue.
Rance is having a good season and coming along beautifully. Holding the backline together at times.
Do you even barrack for Richmond mate ?
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I'd go as far as saying he's the best 21yo defender in the game right now...crows phil smart go's close but he's not 21
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ya stuffen kidding :gobdrop
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Rance has copped HEAPS give him a bit of credit, but not too much :thumbsup
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ya effen kidding :gobdrop
start listing the 21yo defenders in front of him, can't wait to see this, wait I'm gonna get some popcorn :lol
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ya effen kidding :gobdrop
start listing the 21yo defenders in front of him, can't wait to see this, wait I'm gonna get some popcorn :lol
Brown from collingwood. think hes 21-22
Phil Davis
Trengove
Pears
Hurley (plays forward mostly but is a good defender was well)
Those are a few off the top of my head
Rance is going alright, but best defender at 21? No, and he's older than some of the guys I listed. choke on ya popcorn champ
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Rance has copped HEAPS give him a bit of credit, but not too much :thumbsup
:thumbsup
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ya effen kidding :gobdrop
start listing the 21yo defenders in front of him, can't wait to see this, wait I'm gonna get some popcorn :lol
Brown from collingwood. think hes 21-22
Phil Davis
Trengove
Pears
Hurley (plays forward mostly but is a good defender was well)
Those are a few off the top of my head
Rance is going alright, but best defender at 21? No, and he's older than some of the guys I listed. choke on ya popcorn champ
I'll give you phil davis, he's still a teeneager i think , the rest are a stretch, trengove, pleaseeeee and Pears c'mon...Brown just goes and is closer to Mcguane and hurley Yes if he is in backline but generally plays forward...hope that clears it up...thought it would be a laugh :lol
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How old is Jamison from Carlton? Having a great year from all reports
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How old is Jamison from Carlton? Having a great year from all reports
just turned 25
DOB: 11/6/1986
Vice Captain or DV-Cap these days two - gun player IMHO
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Credit where it's due. Alex had the better of Brown tonight for mine and did his job keeping Brown to just 2 goals.
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Credit where it's due. Alex had the better of Brown tonight for mine and did his job keeping Brown to just 2 goals.
:thumbsup
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He's getting better and better. :thumbsup
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Credit where it's due. Alex had the better of Brown tonight for mine and did his job keeping Brown to just 2 goals.
:thumbsup
Are you turning? ;D
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Best 21yo defender going around, is a class act :gotigers
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Credit where it's due. Alex had the better of Brown tonight for mine and did his job keeping Brown to just 2 goals.
:thumbsup
Are you turning? ;D
slowly.
great game tonight
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Was immense tonight.
No need to go off and label him a superstar, but just very very very pleasing seeing that along with his performance against Essendon 4 games ago that he can put in multiple performances like that within a month of footy.
Has ticked teh right boxes for his development this year. Hoping that he can keep it going into pre season and improve again net year and become a really really good defender.
Would have made 2-3 goal saving spoils. Brown doesn't miss many shots and Rance made some ripper spoils.
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wasn't the first decent game he's played pope ::)
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He's going alright, had a couple of good weeks, is a bit up and down but this is normal for a kid, great job tonight on Brown, no one saw it comming, most commentators thought Brown would tear us apart, well Rance took the points. Rance hasn't made it yet but he is looking the goods needs to continue his present application for the rest of the year, experience will stablise him.
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wasn't the first decent game he's played pope ::)
I didn't say it was?
Did you even read my post? He was BOG against Essendon and was top 5 tonight. Rance is tracking well. No need to get upset with every 2nd game where he doesn't play well, he's developing in leaps and bounds.
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Rance would be a handy 3rd defender. Nick Maxwell type player.
Not really sold on having him as a KP Backman. Grimes is a player. Need to find another KP backman and a big big bodied one to replace McGuane and have all 3 playing together and I think we'd have a reasonable defence.
looks like a fair dinkin pure chb.
Don't get much more key forward than johno brown.
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no longer do i have my heart in mouth when he has the ball. his disposal is now quite solid. his improvement has been great.
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His kicking over 30 to 40 metres to a player out wide has improved enormously. Kicking has improved out of sight from the start if his career
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looks like a fair dinkin pure chb.
Don't get much more key forward than johno brown.
He is coming on in leaps and bounds. Agree Bents, sure is making a case for being a key defender.
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looks like a fair dinkin pure chb.
Don't get much more key forward than johno brown.
He is coming on in leaps and bounds. Agree Bents, sure is making a case for being a key defender.
He has grown some balls after being developed properly, All the bad developers at Brisbane now :lol
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Becoming more consistent, with gap between best & worst narrowing rapidly.
Excellant 2nd efforts, and decision making on the improve. Disposal needs continual improvement.
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We saw the players getting onto the team pass and Mini-me thinks Rance is a bit of a spunk yells out to him "love ya Rance" to which she was rewarded with a lovely smile. She then wished him a speedy recovery and got another smile and a thanks. Made her night.
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We saw the players getting onto the team pass and Mini-me thinks Rance is a bit of a spunk yells out to him "love ya Rance" to which she was rewarded with a lovely smile. She then wished him a speedy recovery and got another smile and a thanks. Made her night.
Haha great stuff, the girls do love Rance.
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We saw the players getting onto the team pass and Mini-me thinks Rance is a bit of a spunk yells out to him "love ya Rance" to which she was rewarded with a lovely smile. She then wished him a speedy recovery and got another smile and a thanks. Made her night.
a speedy recovery for what, he's not injured is he :'(
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Thought he was fantastic last night
Getting better every week, playing the role he needs to and is asked to
Terrific kid too :thumbsup
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Well he limped off in the last quarter and we saw his knee all wrapped up later but it can't be too bad as it's not mentioned on the injuries.
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We saw the players getting onto the team pass and Mini-me thinks Rance is a bit of a spunk yells out to him "love ya Rance" to which she was rewarded with a lovely smile. She then wished him a speedy recovery and got another smile and a thanks. Made her night.
Haha great stuff, the girls do love Rance.
Not mine, Kingy's her man. :-*
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No fanfare as young Tigers grow
richmondfc.com.au
By Callum Twomey
12:10 PM Sat 25 Jun, 2011
Rance said becoming more familiar with the demands of playing at AFL level had been important in their development.
"I think that has a lot to do with it, but I don't think we can take anything away from the coaching staff," he said. "They've been fantastic this year, giving us the confidence to play at the highest level and backing us in."
For Rance, selected with pick 18 in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, and Vickery, pick eight in 2008, it has been a gradual process of learning their craft.
"I'm starting to get a lot better understanding and knowledge as to what's required of me and what my role is in the side," Rance said.
"'Leppa' (backline coach Justin Leppitsch) has been really good with me, helping me with a lot of my body stuff and the technical side of things, so I've improved a lot this year."
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/116929/default.aspx
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This young bloke has copped a god awful hiding in the forums in all forums over the last 2 years but he seems to have come through. Yesterday, when most of his team mates where going to water and looking for the ground exits at about 2.20pm this kid hung around and gave his all until the end of the game. He isnt a great player, but he is capable and at least he plays for the jumper. He may not have many fans but hes winning alot of respect from those of us who respect players who play for the jumper, for himself, for his team, for the supporters. Well done to Alex. Hes someone you keep at the club because you know atleast he is fair dinkum. :cheers
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Alex is a keeper no doubt.
Has come on well this year. :thumbsup
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Rance was outstanding yesterday. His attitude was brilliant. I have been critical of him in the past but he stood up unlike so many other players.
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+1 still has a way to go, But I admire his guts and the fact he has put his head down to work hard.
I wish it would rub off on a couple of his peers
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going very well at the minute. keep it up kid
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cue claw to come in and say yeah but hes no good
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He's determined to improve his game in all areas. Yesterday he took some nice overhead marks which was a bit of a weakness in the past. He got beaten in a couple of marking contests in the 3rd quarter yesterday but he'll keep improving. Post also did well for the first half while in defence then played some ruck in the second half but probably spent a quarter on the bench too. Both will be long term defenders I'm sure. Grimes and Astbury will be there too
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I like Rance as he is developing. Will get better when others mature around him like Grimes, Astbury, Post, Batchelor and add in the experience of Moore, Newman and Lids, Rance will become a very good defender. A major problem at the moment is we have been very unsettled down back all year due to injury's to key players it has not allowed us to have a settled back six.
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cue claw to come in and say yeah but hes no good
maybe maybe not but I give Rance credit for giving 100% effort. cant say that for many of his mates yesterday. Id rather have a player like Rance in the side than some of the prima donnas with big reputations who never deliver when you need them too.
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In the final quarter when most others had packed it in, Rance was the one who called the backs into a group, several times, and tried to keep them working together.
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well said, amid all the crap, i too thought he battled well and prob won his position, who was he on?
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well said, amid all the crap, i too thought he battled well and prob won his position, who was he on?
First half was on Walker. Beat him, which is expected because he's 2 inches taller. He struggle a bit on Waite in the 2nd half though. Post did well on Waite in the 1st half
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This young bloke has copped a god awful hiding in the forums in all forums over the last 2 years but he seems to have come through. Yesterday, when most of his team mates where going to water and looking for the ground exits at about 2.20pm this kid hung around and gave his all until the end of the game. He isnt a great player, but he is capable and at least he plays for the jumper. He may not have many fans but hes winning alot of respect from those of us who respect players who play for the jumper, for himself, for his team, for the supporters. Well done to Alex. Hes someone you keep at the club because you know atleast he is fair dinkum. :cheers
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Rance battles hard but he still needs to learn to move the ball on quickly to the first open option once he gains possession. It's when he holds onto the ball for too long he gets himself into trouble. He's not alone in that dept. mind you.
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Can't fault his effort. He's not the greatest player in some aspects, but we could do a lot worse than him for a full back. Would be nice if his team-mates actually put in the same effort!
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This young bloke has copped a god awful hiding in the forums in all forums over the last 2 years but he seems to have come through. Yesterday, when most of his team mates where going to water and looking for the ground exits at about 2.20pm this kid hung around and gave his all until the end of the game. He isnt a great player, but he is capable and at least he plays for the jumper. He may not have many fans but hes winning alot of respect from those of us who respect players who play for the jumper, for himself, for his team, for the supporters. Well done to Alex. Hes someone you keep at the club because you know atleast he is fair dinkum. :cheers
:clapping :clapping :clapping
X2 :clapping :clapping
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Good boy Alex!! :clapping
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Rance takes scalps into contract talks
By Kim Hagdorn
Sports News First
6 July 2011 02:32PM EST
In an under-manned Richmond backline the 21-year-old workhorse has taken on some of the AFL’s biggest defensive assignments in a topsy-turvy Tigers season fluctuating from finals contenders to youthful intruders.
A little less than a fortnight ago the emerging Tiger cubs sat poised to make a bold lunge for a top eight spot with a showdown against another batch of youngsters Melbourne, before a horrifying 103-point drubbing from glamour side Carlton in Round 15.
The Tigers had moved to within striking range of the top eight with a stunning 16-point upset win over an emerging glamour unit Essendon and Rance was a star in his eclipse of giant Bombers forward David Hille.
Rance is understood to have then launched contract talks with Tigers management as he confronted the likes of Sydney superstar Adam Goodes, herculean Brisbane power forward Jonathan Brown and a revolving Blues front-line offensive that included a gifted Jarrad Waite and Matthew Kreuzer over the past month.
Rance’s finest performance of the 2011 season was probably a brave effort against Sydney in Round 12 when he collected 24 possessions and restricted the brilliant Goodes to just 10 touches and the Tigers went within 10 points of a major upset at a rain-soaked SCG.
The Tigers wasted late goal-scoring chances to steal the match when star rover Trent Cotchin and Mitch Farmer missed important shots that could won the game.
Rance is understood to be firmly in Tigers coach Damien Hardwick’s planning to drive up into finals in coming seasons with a young outfit on the back of emerging potential stars in Cotchin, Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt.
But firming the Tigers defence and around the ball with more mature bodies appears a must along with re-signing crucial recent draft talent.
Rance appears a priority re-signing as Tigers officials attempt to lure a specialist key defender to bolster their backline, in the same recruiting strategy that has identified urgent need for another frontline ruck talent.
The Tigers have been linked to a possible move back to Melbourne by young Port Adelaide ruckman Jackson Trengove, but names of any hulking key backman to potentially switch to Richmond is not as clear.
Rance has averaged almost 20 possessions and seven marks a week in his 11 outings this season and was the Tigers preferred starting key backman against a predominantly smaller Blues forward division at the MCG in Round 15 ahead of more experienced defender Luke McGuane.
Rance is again shaping as a vital component in Richmond’s hopes of staying in touch with finals prospects for this year in Saturday night’s MCG showdown with Essendon.
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/07/06/rance-takes-scalps-into-contract-talks/
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Would have great to have Moore, Grimes and Astbury back there to help him too.. :-[
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One of our most improved this season, he has earn't his stripes so hopefully they can nut out a new deal for him.
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"Glamour" sides Carlton & Essendon :lol
effing fairies
Sign up Alby asap. And Grimesy.
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Would have great to have Moore, Grimes and Astbury back there to help him too.. :-[
Agree mate , having Moore and Grimes available with Astbury in reserve as he learns the caper and we'd be a lot better team. Still need a gorilla down back though I reckon.
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Well done to Alex.at least he has tried his heart out in recent weeks.pity some if his team mates didn't show the same effort
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he also playing some reasonable footy too. :thumbsup
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Been very impressive has Rancey and has shoved it up some of us who have bagged him. good work
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Might go close to the JD medal ? Geez there'd be some egg on a few thousand faces if he did hey ?
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Might go close to the JD medal ? Geez there'd be some egg on a few thousand faces if he did hey ?
Love my eggs poached thank you.not too runny
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Might go close to the JD medal ? Geez there'd be some egg on a few thousand faces if he did hey ?
No chance but he could get top 5 if he finishes off the season well. Nahas, Lids, Marto, Newman (coaches probably give him votes when he has a stinker :lol), Cotch and maybe even Jak would be ahead of him i reckon
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Love my eggs poached thank you.not too runny
;D
Always thought he was a good chance to make it coz of his ridiculous courage and his heart and desire but I gotta say I certainly didn't think he'd improve SO much this year. He's a seriously good defender now
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No chance but he could get top 5 if he finishes off the season well. Nahas, Lids, Marto, Newman (coaches probably give him votes when he has a stinker :lol), Cotch and maybe even Jak would be ahead of him i reckon
Wanna bet ?
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No chance but he could get top 5 if he finishes off the season well. Nahas, Lids, Marto, Newman (coaches probably give him votes when he has a stinker :lol), Cotch and maybe even Jak would be ahead of him i reckon
Wanna bet ?
Yeah
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Love my eggs poached thank you.not too runny
Prefer them scrambled myself - a bit like my head sometimes ;D
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Yeah
ok let's go Jacky , What odds you gonna give me ? I reckon if he keeps this form up while we're getting pumped each week he'll finish top 5 at least , maybe top 3 ?
I'll take a stab and say in order at this stage of the season.. Lids , Cotch , Rance , Newman , Nahas , Martin
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No deal. You said he'd go close to winning the thing...I say top 5 is a decent chance. Only thing I will bet against is a top 3 finish.
Up for grabs is your porn stash. But let's take this off the forums before 1965 decides to alert the mods to this sort of smut and filth.
Back on topic for a sec. Hopefully Astbury comes on next season and Moorey can return to decent form (might be wishful thinking tho :(). Grimesy will be a beauty, so our backline wont be forever poo
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Credit where its due too Jack, good post by you.
Rance isn't the most talented player on our list but if the majority of his team mates played with his tenacity we'd be going places.
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Credit where its due too Jack, good post by you.
Rance isn't the most talented player on our list but if the majority of his team mates played with his tenacity we'd be going places.
Correct.thought the same at the ground yesterday
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Is having a great year is Rance. The thing i like the most is his desire to improve all areas of his game. A major highlight this year :thumbsup
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Credit where its due too Jack, good post by you.
Rance isn't the most talented player on our list but if the majority of his team mates played with his tenacity we'd be going places.
Agreed. It's the lack of effort and application that galls me.
Not Rancey, loves the contest.
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I think this calls for a Rancey wallpaper ;D
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oh dear another pedestal thread.another try hard player.
if he ever cuts out the 2 or 3 critical mistakes he makes every week i might jump on board. how anyone can rate this bloke defensively in the air is beyond me.
yes hes improved aspects of his game but the 100 dollar question is has he performed at his utmost if so when he drops off just a tad will what he offers up be good enough.
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oh dear another pedestal thread.another try hard player.
if he ever cuts out the 2 or 3 critical mistakes he makes every week i might jump on board. how anyone can rate this bloke defensively in the air is beyond me.
yes hes improved aspects of his game but the 100 dollar question is has he performed at his utmost if so when he drops off just a tad will what he offers up be good enough.
Oh dear indeed :lol Good post ! the old $100 question eh ? :wallywink
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The claw .you are correct .all I said that his effort has been spot on in difficult times
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The claw .you are correct .all I said that his effort has been spot on in difficult times
and i would agree i dont think anyone could question his effort.
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Should be in the running to get the tag most improved player at the club for 2011.
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oh dear another pedestal thread.another try hard player.
if he ever cuts out the 2 or 3 critical mistakes he makes every week i might jump on board. how anyone can rate this bloke defensively in the air is beyond me.
yes hes improved aspects of his game but the 100 dollar question is has he performed at his utmost if so when he drops off just a tad will what he offers up be good enough.
Not everyone can be Chris Judd, some walk around and think they are.
Rance knows he's not yet still puts his head over the ball and puts in 100% effort. Even when we are uncompeteive across the ground.
Would be a hell of a lot easier to sit back and ride the year out bruise free, he'll be contracted next year and may even get an extention, no need to go hard, the year is over..
However he keeps putting in. Respect.
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Just remember the TBR mantra when the value is high and the player is a battler, trade, trade trade.
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His attitude is very good. Always tries. Well done to him.
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should be in the leadership group instead of a couple of pretenders who are in it.
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oh dear another pedestal thread.another try hard player.
if he ever cuts out the 2 or 3 critical mistakes he makes every week i might jump on board. how anyone can rate this bloke defensively in the air is beyond me.
yes hes improved aspects of his game but the 100 dollar question is has he performed at his utmost if so when he drops off just a tad will what he offers up be good enough.
What about the average 4 or so certain goals he's been saving us each week with desperate last ditch lunges to get the fist in? They don't count do they? His cringe moments are getting less and less.
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His game against Jono Brown was the best i've seen anyone play on JB for a long, long, time
He's in the top handful of young KPD coming through in the comp, that's all you can ask for at this stage
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oh dear another pedestal thread.another try hard player.
if he ever cuts out the 2 or 3 critical mistakes he makes every week i might jump on board. how anyone can rate this bloke defensively in the air is beyond me.
yes hes improved aspects of his game but the 100 dollar question is has he performed at his utmost if so when he drops off just a tad will what he offers up be good enough.
rance will be stronger in the air when he is the 3rd key back with grimes/astburyfb/chb
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I love the Dross. :thumbsup
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Im a convert.
Well done, Rancey. I love your attitude and agree that you should be promoted to the leadership group.
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Late wins on Tigers’ agenda
richmondfc.com.au
Sat 06 Aug, 2011
Richmond defender Alex Rance believes a rest over the bye weekend, and some solid training sessions, has the Tigers ready to take on West Coast at Paterson’s Stadium tomorrow.
The Tigers arrived in Perth yesterday, and had an hour-long training session at Paterson’s Stadium today.
“We’ve had a good lead up to the game, and trained really hard this week, so we’re looking forward to the match,” Rance said.
“It’s going to be a good test for a young side, to see who can step up.
“It’s about building on our game plan, perfecting that, and building into next year. Obviously we want to win as many games as we can in the final five matches, and get as many games as we can into the younger boys.”
Rance said he was impressed by the Eagles’ rapid rise up the ladder this season, which indicates the evenness of the competition.
“They’ve been quite impressive, but they’re definitely not unbeatable, so we think we can match it with them,” he said.
The 21-year-old Western Australian has been a key component of a young Richmond defence this season, and will have a chance to develop further against the in-form Eagles tomorrow.
“This year has been a massive stepping stone for me, just getting a lot more comfortable in my own skin out there,” he said.
“I think I’ve made that full back spot my own, but I’m not pigeon-holing myself, and looking forward to trying new things.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/120354/default.aspx
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Here's Rance's full press conference today in Perth:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/378179/alex-rance-press-conference/ (http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/378179/alex-rance-press-conference/)
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoVPgy6J8GU&feature=player_profilepage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoVPgy6J8GU&feature=player_profilepage)
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Gaspar backs Rance
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Tue 09 Aug, 2011
Former Richmond star full-back, Darren Gaspar, has sung the praises of young Tiger key defender Alex Rance.
Gaspar, who had a decorated career with the Tigers from 1996-07, playing 207 games, winning the Jack Dyer Medal in 2001, and earning All-Australian selection on two occasions, believes Rance has what it takes to develop into a valuable, long-term league defender.
“He really caught my eye in the game against Brisbane (Round 13) when he was playing on Jonathon Brown. He did a great job that night, consistently beating Brown in the one-on-one contests,” Gaspar said.
“Then, on the weekend (against West Coast), in a side that was getting pretty well beaten all over the field, he was really competitive.
“It’s a tough gig playing in a key-defensive post in a young side which is still developing, but I thought he showed some very good signs, especially with his attack on the footy. He’s also pretty fast, his ball use is good enough, and he’s courageous.
“So, he’s got all the attributes of a solid key defender, which is a real plus for Richmond because it’s so important to have someone capable of holding down a key defensive post.”
Rance, 21, has played 15 games with the Tigers this season to take his overall AFL games’ tally to 40, since making his debut in 2009. He is averaging nearly 19 disposals per game this season in his full-back role.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/120599/default.aspx
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Rance is with our best half dozen or so now
more vital structure wise over vickery. Leadership group 2012
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Rance interviewed after the game by the Herald-Sun....
THE word daunting is probably a fair description for how opponents feel when they sit down to watch the tapes on Sydney champion Adam Goodes.
That's exactly what Alex Rance was thinking when he pulled up a chair next to assistant coach Wayne Campbell during the week, particularly given he knew Goodes had put on a clinic against Essendon even though his missed shot on the siren had cost the Swans victory.
Instead he found Campbell upbeat about the challenge ahead.
"It was a bit funny," Rance said. "Wayne does a lot of our opposition work and he said to me, 'He played pretty well (last week) mate, but I think you might do alright on him'.
Campbell is clearly a genius because Rance played one of the best games of his career, limiting Goodes to just one goal and collecting an impressive 24 possessions in the process.
While Trent Cotchin and Bachar Houli were prolific for the Tigers , the fact Goodes was a non-factor for Sydney was massive in determining the result.
"I watched a fair bit of tape and that kind of stuff, he's an amazing player and he got off the hook a few times but I got a few back which was good," Rance said.
"Being a defender by nature, I was comfortable when he came down but if he went up into stoppages that's not really my forte as much so it was like kind of hit his body and just hope he doesn't get it.
"The good thing about playing on good players is they take you to the ball and with the pressure being amazing from our mids, it fell into my hands a fair bit."
The 21-year-old, who was playing his 41st game, said the key to his improved season was having more of an understanding of coach Damien Hardwick's game plan.
"The game plan has just sort of started to unfold a little bit better this year," Rance said.
"I'm starting to see the big picture a lot more and I think that is happening with a lot of players now, they are starting to see the game plan and how it does work."
After six straight losses, Rance said the surprise result was part of the Tigers determination to use the last part of the season as a stepping stone to 2012.
"It definitely proves to us and gives us some reward for effort," he said.
"We've seen some amazing signs in quarters and patches of games over the past few months so to put it all together today was fantastic.
"This last four or five games of the season is definitely a big stepping stone into next season. We definitely view it that way and are by no means putting the cue in the rack."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-name-mitch-morton-as-substitute/story-e6frf9mx-1226114651592
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Congrats to Rance played a very good game
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credit where due, has improved out of sight.
Backs his judgement :thumbsup
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He really is playing with confidence and purpose now, where as before he seemed to be enthusiastic but lost a lot of the time. Great to see him turn it around and become a very valuable team member just like Nahas and Kingy have.
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A couple of amazing courageous spoils by Rance in the game yesterday. He saved at least two what would've been certain Melbourne goals. I still can't believe the one where he was at least 20m away running back with the flight and punched the ball out of Jurrah's arms. Incredible desperation :clapping.
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you simply wont see a better spoil than that one on jurrah MT.
To do that and not give away a free is just so difficult.
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rance was a clear delist before the season started.
He should now be an untoucheable along with cotch martin jack and vickery.
The fact that he has improved so much in such a short period of time is a credit to himself and the coaching staff.
Top class key defender, a critical part of the premiership puzzle. :bow
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He has certainly made me eat my words :bow
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rance was a clear delist before the season started.
Was he? Thought there was enough to work with there that his future was cloudy at worst.
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Richmond defender Alex Rance finally comes of age
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
August 27, 2011
ALEX Rance agreed to terms on a new two-year deal this week.
Not so long ago that development could have elicited varying emotions from those associated with the Richmond Football Club.
The fans wondered if the No.18 draft pick was yet another bust, and the coach himself admitted recently he had harboured "doubts" about Rance's future.
The man himself knew the heat was coming; he was a top-20 draft selection, so why wasn't the fourth-year defender playing like it?
Yet, in a year when Richmond's tall defenders have toppled like ninepins, Rance has emerged a player redefined.
His scalps include Adam Goodes and Jonathan Brown, he averages an amazing 19 possessions a game and he ranks first at Richmond for winning the ball back off the opposition.
All of a sudden, the Tigers could just have a defender to build their back six around for the next decade.
"It's a couple of years, so it's a good result," Rance said this week about the new deal.
"I am pretty pumped to be part of the future of the club, so it's a pretty good feeling.
"This year has been a really big learning year for me and I feel like I have made a lot of improvement."
When the Tigers recruited West Australian defender Rance at the end of 2007, he was a very different player.
He came through the junior system as a tall rebounding defender and onballer, but he couldn't handle the big dogs and his skills weren't good enough for the midfield.
"I think maybe in years gone past I had a false idea of what sort of player I was," said Rance, son of Footscray and West Coast player Murray Rance.
"I thought I was a running defender, but here there are other blokes to do that job.
"It mainly stemmed from the under-18s. I was playing as a midfielder and getting a bit of the ball, and we had a really good side with (Nic) Naitanui, and (Chris) Yarran and Jeff (Garlett), and I was getting touches, and I thought I could do it at top level.
"Now I am happy playing in my spot, and I can see that I can improve and grow in those areas."
Weaknesses identified, he made a beeline for backline coach and former Brisbane star Justin Leppitsch.
"I knew I had deficiencies in my game, and I went and talked to Lepper about it, and he stripped my game back to its most basic," Rance said.
"He helped with footwork, and probably more reading the play better and having a bit more of a cool head.
"I also did a lot of technique work with my running style to try to get to and impact on as many contests as I could."
A look at Champion Data's stats on 21-year-old Rance this year is revealing.
Drew Petrie (five goals) got a hold of him in Round 5, and Western Bulldog Will Minson kicked four on him in Round 8.
But the likes of Stuart Crameri, Goodes (twice), James Podsiadly, Brown and Quinten Lynch have all been well held or beaten by Rance.
He leads the spoils at Richmond with 117 -34 more than any other Tiger -- and has 104 possession gains (again No.1 at the club), which are possessions won back from the opposition.
Richmond recruiter Francis Jackson, who recruited future captain Trent Cotchin at pick two in the same draft, says Rance has finally matured.
"He was always ultra-competitive but he needed to polish up a few of his skills. It is terrific to see him progress. It is a fantastic tick for perseverance. His positioning and defensive techniques have been really good, and he has never had trouble finding the footy. So, it's a credit to him that he's constantly improved," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-defender-alex-rance-finally-comes-of-age/story-e6frf9mx-1226123250560
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This is great news.
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Along with Houli, Rance is our most improved player this year. Only Astbury and Griffiths to go to sign-up all of our most promising young talls according to our contracts list
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Very happy with Alex's year. He needs to back it up in 2012.
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At the moment, this is good news and hopefully Rance DOES NOT go backwards. Rance "should" be a key player in our 11th premiership.
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I am happy that he has been rewarded with a new deal. He has done a great job and hopefully he continues to develop the way he has. Well done to him.
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OMG - we've quietly re-signed a player without it playing out in the media
Terrible effort there Tiges :rollin :lol
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Confirmed on the RFC site...
“We are really pleased with the in-roads Alex has made this season. He’s worked hard to become an integral part of our defence, and has shouldered the extra responsibility placed on him extremely well,” said Richmond’s General Manager of Football, Craig Cameron.
“Off the field, Alex is one of those extroverted characters you like having around a club and, on-field, we believe he still has a fair bit more development in him.
“We look forward to watching his progress in the coming years.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/122022/default.aspx
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Our No.1 defender by a mile now. His composure and strong defensive marking has improved out of sight. He seems more confident in his own ability and judgement of the incoming flight of the ball to know when to go for marks which gives us back possession rather than even earlier this season when he always just went the spoil which only created a 50/50 contest. Key defenders who can turn defence into attack are very important in the modern game.
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Relentless Rance
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 02 Jan, 2012
The following article was featured in the 2011 Fighting Tiger Yearbook.
From the moment he walked through the doors at Punt Road at the end of 2007, Alex Rance has been a football department favourite.
He is a larrikin, a prankster and a master impressionist, but is also one of the hardest workers on the training track, and a fine example to those around him.
On the field, in his first few seasons, Rance was shuffled around in different positions, never really nailing down a single spot on the field.
His courage and attack on the football were never questioned, nor was his application to getting the best out of himself physically.
But in his third season, in 2010, Rance played just 10 games, including stints at Richmond’s VFL affiliate Coburg.
Less than 12 months on, Rance has become Mr Dependable at Tigerland.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/127510/default.aspx
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Yes, another player written off too early by some, I thougt he would improve and again this is one player I supported as making it, just based on his size. He has ironed out the floors in jis game and its great to see.
He needs to back up last year now!!!
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Had a much improved season.
Hopefully builds on it again in 2012 to become one of the game's best defenders.
Still has a ways to go.
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Rance the redeemer
Tue 03 Jan, 2012
RICHMOND assistant coach Justin Leppitsch admits the marked improvement of key defender Alex Rance surprised the match committee in 2011.
Rance played just 10 games in 2010, being omitted twice, and entering the final year of his contract in 2011 looked in danger of being thrown on the scrapheap.
Instead, Rance missed just three games (due to suspension), locking down the club's key defensive role and earning a two-year contract extension in August.
"He probably caught the match committee by surprise a bit this year, by the amount he actually improved," Leppitsch said.
"He was able to hold down the key defensive post this season, showing fantastic leadership within his role.
"We expect him to be a long-term key position prospect at Richmond."
Rance also finished equal sixth in the Tigers' best and fairest, winning the Most Improved Player Award and the Francis Bourke Award (for most courageous) after averaging 18 disposals and leading the club in one-percenters.
Rance said he was humbled by the honours.
"It was a massive year for a lot of guys, like Ty Vickery and Dylan Grimes, to name a few, who have been big improvers," Rance said.
"It's a big honour to mentioned alongside those guys. It was a developing year for me, and I'm just looking forward to bigger and better things in 2012."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/127657/default.aspx
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By the way there's an interesting point in the West Australian about Rance's progress compared to that of his WA 2008 draft peers:
Drafted on the back of a solid performance in the 2007 WA under-18 championship side featuring first-round picks such as Chris Masten, Rhys Palmer, Cale Morton and David Myers, Rance has been the first of the side to truly find consistency in the AFL.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/12483525/rance-key-to-tiger-plans/
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Alex Rance interview after the run along the Tan.
Video [3.26 min]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=QmdU4dq0UC0
Summary
* Arizona was a nice experiment for us and see if we can stick it with the big dogs. We got some good intellectual property from a few good companies over there. See the college facilities and see our redevelopment is as good if not better than theirs. So it gives us a really good confidence boost in our facilities. Know we can travel that long distance and still perform and train really well.
* We already had a good base (good engines before going over there). The camp wouldn't have changed a whole lot but it was definitely a good experience. A change of climate and atmosphere. So it was good and beneficial from that perspective but we were already a strong running group and it was a matter of translating that on-field.
* Houli - just good to see someone who has been in the system for a while and given a second chance find more gears. He performed well and finished top 5 in our B&F so it's a real positive sign that he's prepared to go that extra step again even though he came up with the goods last year. A real positive.
* Rance didn't do the Tan run. He along with some of the other boys did 4 x 500m time trials instead. A new thing the Club is trying out for the bigger boys and it's still pretty tough. The key is more burst speed than the Tan which is steady state so the 4 x 500m time trials are more position specific.
* Kingy is coming along well after the knock to his knee in the IR series. He did the time trial on the grass at Punt Rd so 'push-up' had it easy.
* Jack Riewoldt is a good character around the Tan usually commentating for the first 800m so his personality was missed. But he is tracking really well. Start some transition work pretty soon and should be ready for a couple of practice matches before round 1.
* Himself - just about building upon last year. Rance said he's still learning so much and he knows he's got a little bit of a way to go yet. If he can take the steps of a Bachar Houli (work to improve again). It's indicative of the group really - eager to learn. This year no jumpers are going to be given out easily. Everyone is going to have to fight for their own.
* Team goals - everyone wants to play finals so you're not in it to sit around in the bottom 8. So that's definitely something we are going to be looking at. Really fighting and honing that gameplan we've got and have a strong belief in. It's coming down to the discipline to stick to it now. Yeah we're definitely looking to sticking in the top 8.
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* Jack Riewoldt is a good character around the Tan usually commentating for the first 800m
Bloke is a flog. :wallywink
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* Jack Riewoldt is a good character around the Tan usually commentating for the first 800m
Bloke is a flog. :wallywink
I'd almost turn for Jack
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SWM seeks similar.
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lol
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Burning Question No. 3: Alex Rance
By Tony Greenberg
12:54 PM Wed 08 Feb, 2012
In the countdown to bouncedown season 2011, Tony Greenberg continues his examination on richmondf.com.au of the burning questions on the lips of the Yellow and Black faithful. Today he ponders . . .
Is Alex Rance the real deal?
Full article at:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/128714/default.aspx
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i say yes definitely
but this year will answer it once and for all, barring injury, he needs to build on last seasons improvement to become a deadset longterm lock as a KPD. If he goes backwards then we're stuffed
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YES. Has impressed me more and more at each training I've been to.
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We're lucky he was the slider. :)
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emerging champion - his time is near
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It was amazing to see the progress this kid made in such a short amount of time. His development pay testament to the education he has received from the coaches and development staff over the last couple of years. He has had the 'Rance 360 flip turn' taken out of his game and he now looks for the first option. His footskills have improved as a result. He was always courageous, athletic and strong but despite his larakin demenia, he was lacking confidence in his decision making which he has now obviously gained.
He is now our best tall backman. I think he will only get better. :thumbsup
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You could always see it in Rance that he had massive potential. Right physique, athletic ability and a good pedigree. I remember when we drafted him at pick 18 in 2007 that he had a lot of attributes that over time with good coaching would see him become a quality player. Unfortunately that good coaching did not commence until 2010 when Hardwick came on board. I have no doubt that Hardwick's appointment is directly responsible for the massive improvements Rance has made in his game and I can only see him getting better. :thumbsup
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Hi guys, let me just start off by introducing myself as I have been a long time lurker but just signed up.
Mad tigers fan since 1972 when I used to attend Cremorne street primary school in Richmond. Too young to got to the 73-74 back to back premierships, but was there in full voice for our monumental victory over the wobblers in 1980, and, I'm another Greek to boot :)
Now, about this kid Rance, I'll be the first to admit that I was not too happy with him initially, as i found him a tad too erratic when handling the ball and making bad decisions in general play. However, in the last couple of seasons, I have become one of his greatest supporters. I think we have a player here who will bleed like Bourkey, run through opponents like Balmey, empower his teammates like Richo, and be just as good in defence as good ol' Clay. We have a winner here.
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I have no doubt that Hardwick's appointment is directly responsible for the massive improvements Rance has made in his game and I can only see him getting better. :thumbsup
With Dimma came Leppa.
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Reckon the AA CHB we have as an assistant had more to do with it then a dirty back pocket ;D
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Welcome aboard Gargs :thumbsup
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Hope he doesnt suffer the curse of the one season screamer
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Welcome Gargoyle.
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Thanks for the welcome guys.
Just want to say I sincerely hope we get a good season under our belts. For the sake of us, the longest suffering supporters over the last 30 years. Having said that, I'm quietly optimistic about the coming season.
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I think you're right about Leppa. He has made a huge impace on a lot of our KPP. I remember seeing him wrestling with Rance, Post and Riewoldt and showing them how to position their bodies at the beginning of 2010 before Jack took off. He is a find,
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Wheres "the voice of reason" claw to tell us, his year last season wasnt actually very good at all, was actually quite poor and is not even a C+ grade player let alone what you would consider the real deal. Too many weaknesses and not big enough to be a longterm KPD, might be lucky to be a bit part 3rd tall with his many weaknesses
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:clapping ;D
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Now, about this kid Rance, I'll be the first to admit that I was not too happy with him initially, as i found him a tad too erratic when handling the ball and making bad decisions in general play. However, in the last couple of seasons, I have become one of his greatest supporters. I think we have a player here who will bleed like Bourkey, run through opponents like Balmey, empower his teammates like Richo, and be just as good in defence as good ol' Clay. We have a winner here.
Man after my own heart
Welcome to ORE Gargoyle
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his year last season wasnt actually very good at all, was actually quite poor and is not even a C+ grade player let alone what you would consider the real deal.
incorrect.
(http://www.funnypart.com/pictures/FunnyPart-com-something_is_wrong.jpg)
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Now, about this kid Rance, I'll be the first to admit that I was not too happy with him initially, as i found him a tad too erratic when handling the ball and making bad decisions in general play. However, in the last couple of seasons, I have become one of his greatest supporters. I think we have a player here who will bleed like Bourkey, run through opponents like Balmey, empower his teammates like Richo, and be just as good in defence as good ol' Clay. We have a winner here.
Partly agree but call too early perhaps. Footy is littered with one season wonders who arrive and depart just as quickly. Let me say though that I hope that's not the case for Rancey. His mates love him and whinge about him, so he is very important to the fabric of the team. Clearly he's worked as hard as anyone, and the harder you work, usually the luckier you get. His decision making is what has allowed such a big improvement - it gradually became quicker as the team itself improved - it was a confidence thing, of which Rancey usually has plenty as a rule, so when it's down it is noticeable.
His kicking has improved, but was never bad, was just symptomatic of confidence and decisions. Can't doubt his courage. In a team of mutes, his chat is critical, one of the few to talk it up, yell on field. It's why the backline will only get better this season.
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Next up is the Tross who is entering his 5th year with 44 games under his belt after a breakout season last year.
What are your expectations for Rance in 2012 and what would be a good year for him?
Career so far:
Games Kicks HBalls Disp. Marks Tackles G.B 1st poss. Clear. In50 R50 1%ers
2008 -
2009 15 4.6 9.0 13.6 3.1 2.9 1.2
2010 10 5.5 6.6 12.1 3.6 2.3 6.3 0.9 0.9 1.5 1.3 5.1
2011 19 10.0 8.2 18.2 5.9 2.6 0.0 0.4 0.4 0.4 5.3 8.5
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1907&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2008018
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Ideally would like to see Rance move to CHB.
Love his run and his kicking and decision making have improved but I think he still struggles a little in the air against taller opponents and can see teams exploiting this. This was highlighted against Franklin the other night.
A good year for him would be to build on last season and cement his current standing as our no1 defender.
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A good year for him would be to build on last season and cement his current standing as our no1 defender.
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Thoguh thought he really struggled against Buddy on Friday night, seemed to be too focused on the man rather than the ball.
But there is a helluva lot of upside :thumbsup
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Agree with Mr Magic. Think Grimes is a better match up for Franklin
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Everyone struggles on Buddy. That is why he is arguably the best player in the comp.
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yeah, that was my thoughts too willy.
Will be interesting to see whether Rance continues to improve or stagnates/goes backwards this year.
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Just heard Rancey on SEN before, said were are aiming for 6-8th spot this season and its time to repay the faithful. :pray
.. The intent is there.. :thumbsup
Was also pumping up Ivan's tyres too
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Tigers aiming for top-six finish says Richmond defender Alex Rance
by: Sacha Pisani
From: Herald Sun February 24, 2012 11:58AM
RICHMOND defender Alex Rance says the club has its sights set on a spot in the bottom half of the top eight this season.
The Tigers finished in 12th position last season and Rance says finals are a realistic goal.
“I think everyone plays for finals, so that’s definitely got to be our goal,” Rance told SEN today.
“We need to be up there in the top eight, 6-8. That’s definitely got to be our goal this year.”
Richmond heads into the 2012 season having not made a finals appearance since their 2001 preliminary final loss to the Brisbane Lions and the 22-year-old defender says its time to repay the faith shown by the long-suffering yellow and black army.
“I think it’s time a bit was repaid to the Tigers faithful,” he said.
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Rance, who had a career-best season in 2011 as a key defender, said he expects to play a more attacking role this season.
“I think at times all our defenders are going to have the opportunity to head up the ground.
“I think predominantly I’ll be staying sort of more and covering the back space, but if the opportunity does arise I’ll be looking to sneak forward.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-aiming-for-top-six-finish-says-richmond-defender-alex-rance/story-e6frf9jf-1226280448070
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:whistle :whistle :whistle :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Sen already reporting 'Richmond aiming for top 6 finish' hahahahaha
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:whistle :whistle :whistle :clapping :clapping :clapping
What was that I hear you say WAT??
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Nice work Tiga :lol :lol :lol
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:whistle :whistle :whistle :clapping :clapping :clapping
What was that I hear you say WAT??
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:rollin :thumbsup
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Here's the audio of Rance's interview on SEN yesterday ...
http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Richmond-defender-Alex-Rance/3976
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Rance was a bright light in a pretty dismal effort from the rest of our backline. He continually got to contests (that last sec. spoil on the wing a highlight) and got plenty of the ball and rebounded well (IIRC he only made one noticeable clanger). One Tiger who can hold his head up high for mine.
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Rance was a bright light in a pretty dismal effort from the rest of our backline. He continually got to contests (that last sec. spoil on the wing a highlight) and got plenty of the ball and rebounded well (IIRC he only made one noticeable clanger). One Tiger who can hold his head up high for mine.
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:clapping
As I said somewhere else the rest of the back 6 with the exception of Morris & Ellis who I'll cut some slack being a first gamer were pathetic.....
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Good game by Alex.he had a dip
As for J.Post.cant play or badly coached.take your pick
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Good game by Alex.he had a dip
As for J.Post.cant play or badly coached.take your pick
Post can't play he has no idea. Doesn't read the play at all. Can't kick. Looks scared.
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As for J.Post.cant play or badly coached.take your pick
Pulling out of contest, refusing to chase, dropping your head when you drop a mark and thereby not putting in 2nd or 3rd efforts has got absolutely nothing to do with how you are coached. They are personal traits IMHO
Post can't play he has no idea. Doesn't read the play at all. Can't kick. Looks scared.
Not sure he can't play but certainly agree with your 2 other points and if that is how you "play" then I suppose you "can't" play as in you shouldn't be selected and therefore can't play seniors next week
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very impressed with Alex again stood up i felt.
Postie meh list clogger.
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Rance our best defender by the length of the Flemington Straight.
Post hurt us bad last night. Needs to be dropped for next week, needs to be dropped full stop on efforts like that. I don't think he will make it if he shows crap like that after 4 years in the system.
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Rance was excellent last night. Will be recognised as one of the best full backs in the league by the end of the season but he was a lone hand in terms of our tall defenders. Post will be good but his confidence was/is fragile. I saw him on two occasions hesitated kicking it to a free teammate in the Defensive 50 and instead kick the safe option up the line. You could almost feel the fear in his actions. He was over wealmed by the pressure of the occasion. Grimes also looked out of his league last night.
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Rance was named in the AFlol team of the week
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132214/default.aspx
Alex Rance (Richmond) - The Tigers’ desire to free Rance from too much defensive accountability paid dividends with the talented backman having nine rebound 50s against Carlton and 21 disposals on Thursday night. His 13 contested possessions spoke volumes of his desire for the ball when this highly charged game was at its fiercest.
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/2012/Team-of-the-Week-Round-1.jpg)
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Birchall is the best CHB in the comp...
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Birchall is the best CHB in the comp...
Forward pockets are equally extraordinary.
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Pendlebury on the bench... :lol
His game was brilliant.
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Rance grabs his chance
Matt Murnane
The Age
April 6, 2012
RICHMOND full-back Alex Rance says he is ready to become the leader of the Tigers' defensive unit after a year of boxing above his weight against the game's best key forwards.
While captain Chris Newman remains the back-line general, the Tigers will charge Rance, Jayden Post and Dylan Grimes - three emerging defenders with a total of just 77 games between them - with the responsibility of stopping the opposition's best goalkickers.
And there are few greater challenges than the one the trio faces at the MCG tomorrow night, against Collingwood twin towers Travis Cloke and Chris Dawes under the spotlight provided by 70,000 fans.
As the ''senior'' figure out of the three and coming off a breakout season, Rance wants to be the club's go-to man in defence and believes he has done enough work over the pre-season to reach that level soon.
''I just want to be that Mr Reliable that can do the job … that anchor of the back line that's always the first guy selected,'' he said. ''And I don't see it as being too far off. This is the most solid pre-season I've done.
''I know what I've got to do now, so it's just about executing on a regular basis. And I'm confident I can do that now with the fitness base I've got. It was mainly under fatigue that I would make the mistakes.
''I know my worst games improved a lot last year, if that makes sense, and my good games also improved a little bit.''
There was a time when Richmond supporters would have cringed hearing Alex Rance and ''Mr Reliable'' in the same sentence.
Selected with pick 18 in the 2007 draft, the 22-year-old is the first to concede he struggled to make an impact during his first three seasons, partly due to confusion about whether he was a forward, midfielder or defender.
''There was times when I did question whether I would make it,'' he said.
It wasn't until defensive coach Justin Leppitsch came to the club and told him the player he wasn't, that Rance became the player he is now.
He describes the period at the end of 2010 as the turning point of his 45-game career.
''He put me on the right track and said, 'This is the type of player you've got to be'. You've just got to be that competitive beast,'' he said.
That's exactly what Rance morphed into last season, leading the club in spoils and intercept marks, and finishing second in rebound 50s.
He finished sixth in the club's best and fairest.
Rance, the son of former Footscray and West Coast player Murray Rance, is regarded as the strongest player at Punt Road. And there was a strong focus again this pre-season on developing his core strength.
''It's just about using the attributes I have, but also anticipating the play,'' he said.
''I have to use my strength a lot more because I'm only 194 centimetres and I'm going to be playing on blokes a lot bigger than me. I have to anticipate their movements a lot quicker and be a lot more physical in the way I play.''
All this is far from just wishful thinking on Rance's part.
Not only do Leppitsch and coach Damien Hardwick think he is capable of becoming the Tigers' defensive anchor, they are counting on him to do so.
''Rancey is a guy we felt stepped forward enormously last year and we expect him to make the same progression this year,'' Leppitsch said.
It was only one game, but already there are signs this year that Rance could deliver.
When the Tigers' back line came under fire against Carlton last week, Rance stood tall by collecting 21 disposals, 13 contested possessions, 11 intercept possessions and two intercept marks.
He was also one of the few Tigers that kept his composure by foot, with 10 of his 11 kicks hitting the target.
The statistics are significant given intercept possessions and winning contested ball in defensive 50 are two key areas the Tigers worked on over the pre-season.
''We are going to try to capture the ball centre-forward rather than waiting until it gets to defensive 50,'' Rance said.
''But we were also quite poor contested-ball wise in the defensive 50 last year, which is something we've worked on.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/rance-grabs-his-chance-20120405-1wflh.html#ixzz1rBXrEK00
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While the commentators (BT and Darcy) were making a big deal about Rance's disposal (he had 4 clangers for the record), Alex all up had a disposal efficiency of 82% for his 34 possies (21k, 13h, 11 contested) which made him the 8th most efficient Tiger last night.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/16931/Default.aspx#fixtureid=7674&tab=Stats
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While the commentators (BT and Darcy) were making a big deal about Rance's disposal (he had 4 clangers for the record), Alex all up had a disposal efficiency of 82% for his 34 possies (21k, 13h, 11 contested) which made him the 8th most efficient Tiger last night.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/16931/Default.aspx#fixtureid=7674&tab=Stats
Out of curiosity who was the most inefficient? :whistle
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Have watched the replays twice
Problem with making bad errors in D50 hurts on the scoreboard
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Have watched the replays twice
Problem with making bad errors in D50 hurts on the scoreboard
he had absolutely no support. Got caught out a few times against 2 or 3 only because he was busting his arse but his teamates weren't.
Newman is our captain. Newman is supposedly our best kick in the defensive half. Newman has been appalling both games this year. Has not lead at all Cotchin may as well become captain now.
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Have watched the replays twice
Problem with making bad errors in D50 hurts on the scoreboard
he had absolutely no support. Got caught out a few times against 2 or 3 only because he was busting his behind but his teamates weren't.
Newman is our captain. Newman is supposedly our best kick in the defensive half. Newman has been appalling both games this year. Has not lead at all Cotchin may as well become captain now.
Opposition sides have been playing through Newmans man for years, extremely unaccountable and is a poor defender, gets away with it like Bowden and co did for years
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Have watched the replays twice
Problem with making bad errors in D50 hurts on the scoreboard
l dont need to watch the replay. His kick to a Collingwood player with a directed perfect executed 30m pass with 3 Richmond options just over the back has been burned into my mind. fatigued maybe l give him the benefit of the doubt
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He has just run half the field and been involved in moving the ball the entire way... fatigue is a very valid reason for him missing the kick
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While the commentators (BT and Darcy) were making a big deal about Rance's disposal (he had 4 clangers for the record), Alex all up had a disposal efficiency of 82% for his 34 possies (21k, 13h, 11 contested) which made him the 8th most efficient Tiger last night.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/16931/Default.aspx#fixtureid=7674&tab=Stats
Out of curiosity who was the most inefficient? :whistle
By the length of the flemington straight Riewoldt with 33%
edawrds 65%
jackson 67
nahas 67
cotchin 69
the most damning thing for jackson and nahas is they only had 3/18 and 1/12 as contested
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Could he be in a little trouble? Not trying to stir the pot but for the melee?
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Absolutely not.
I'll say one thing about Rance.
I'd rather he make a mistake trying to do the right thing than him making a mistake doing the wrong thing.
Without him we would be raped and pillaged atm.
Punching above his weight and holding his own.
Yep he made a few kicking blooz but why focus on him. I thought BT's commentary was slightly dramatic to say the least. ::)
I'm not excusing his errors but his kicking has improved in the last 3 seasons.
Let's not lose focus on the real issues at selection with certain players.
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Absolutely not.
I'll say one thing about Rance.
I'd rather he make a mistake trying to do the right thing than him making a mistake doing the wrong thing.
Without him we would be raped and pillaged atm.
Punching above his weight and holding his own.
Yep he made a few kicking blooz but why focus on him. I thought BT's commentary was slightly dramatic to say the least. ::)
I'm not excusing his errors but his kicking has improved in the last 3 seasons.
Let's not lose focus on the real issues at selection with certain players.
Rance was excellent. Had no support. Newman (I haven't played finals yet) was pathetic & if he keeps this up he never will. :banghead
Leaders must lead.
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i think he was talking about with the MRP tucker
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He also had a go about his kicking in the third on the Southern Stand wing.
It was late al (after midnight) and the TV was quite low due to the family sleeping.
I thought he was excellent.
I couldn't fit him in the votes but he was next in line IMHO. :thumbsup
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i meant coosauriss comment about rance being in trouble.
i agree with everything you said about rance BTW
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Rance is a champion. Fast becoming my favorite player.
We would be stuffed without him.
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son of zues!
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Rance has worked hard to become the footballer he is, Newman on the other hand is a scared footballer who is about to play his final year as captain & will struggle to get a game after this year. His aweful
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Thought the comments that were made by the commentators last night were ill informed and based on past history rather than present performance. Even Richo's comments seemed a snapshot of Rance's weaknesses from when he played along side him rather than how he has executed by foot over the past season and a bit.
Rance was close to our best player last night and was excellent by foot for most of the game. I saw two notable exceptions but considering the amount of ball he had in his hands and the pressure he was constantly under, he was fantastic. There are very few defenders his size who can dispose of the ball well consistently.
The raw hard evidence of 82% efficiency is hard to argue with... :clapping
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those idiots calling the game didn't have much clue.
one stage racnce picked out jackson in not much space and the ball went right through his hand yet darcy and Bt went on about how rance should understand his limitations.
there was another time when ellis passed to morris( I think) but was a little slow in making the decision and the pass was a bit too high giving the opposition a chance to spoil. they also went on about how these new blokes should understand their limitations and not take risks.
absolute buffoons. it seems they were suggesting morris shouldnt have called for it and ellis shouldn't have passed it. :wallywink
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Thought the comments that were made by the commentators last night were ill informed and based on past history rather than present performance. Even Richo's comments seemed a snapshot of Rance's weaknesses from when he played along side him rather than how he has executed by foot over the past season and a bit.
Rance was close to our best player last night and was excellent by foot for most of the game. I saw two notable exceptions but considering the amount of ball he had in his hands and the pressure he was constantly under, he was fantastic. There are very few defenders his size who can dispose of the ball well consistently.
The raw hard evidence of 82% efficiency is hard to argue with... :clapping
Stripes were you at the game last night. our backline create's most of the preasure on themselves by standing 20 metres off thier players & moving up the ground being caught out on simple turnovers. They are using too much energy to get back to contest the ball. By playing this way, once they do get back on thier man that they are waisted & have no strength or energy to contest leading to them being over-powered. This is basic football. If you were at the game you clearly see this. If Hardwick & his coaches cant see this, then we are done & dusted.
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those idiots calling the game didn't have much clue.
one stage racnce picked out jackson in not much space and the ball went right through his hand yet darcy and Bt went on about how rance should understand his limitations.
there was another time when ellis passed to morris( I think) but was a little slow in making the decision and the pass was a bit too high giving the opposition a chance to spoil. they also went on about how these new blokes should understand their limitations and not take risks.
absolute buffoons. it seems they were suggesting morris shouldnt have called for it and ellis shouldn't have passed it. :wallywink
al, know your limitations and let me handle bad match callers.
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:lol
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Thought the comments that were made by the commentators last night were ill informed and based on past history rather than present performance. Even Richo's comments seemed a snapshot of Rance's weaknesses from when he played along side him rather than how he has executed by foot over the past season and a bit.
Rance was close to our best player last night and was excellent by foot for most of the game. I saw two notable exceptions but considering the amount of ball he had in his hands and the pressure he was constantly under, he was fantastic. There are very few defenders his size who can dispose of the ball well consistently.
The raw hard evidence of 82% efficiency is hard to argue with... :clapping
Stripes were you at the game last night. our backline create's most of the preasure on themselves by standing 20 metres off thier players & moving up the ground being caught out on simple turnovers. They are using too much energy to get back to contest the ball. By playing this way, once they do get back on thier man that they are waisted & have no strength or energy to contest leading to them being over-powered. This is basic football. If you were at the game you clearly see this. If Hardwick & his coaches cant see this, then we are done & dusted.
Always that balance of either being too defensive and keeping on your opponent/guarding space even when we have the ball or being more attacking and moving up the ground and leaving your opponent to give us more options moving the ball through the oppositions zone defence.
Did you feel Rance should have stayed back and left the midfielders to move the ball forward?
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Thought the comments that were made by the commentators last night were ill informed and based on past history rather than present performance. Even Richo's comments seemed a snapshot of Rance's weaknesses from when he played along side him rather than how he has executed by foot over the past season and a bit.
Rance was close to our best player last night and was excellent by foot for most of the game. I saw two notable exceptions but considering the amount of ball he had in his hands and the pressure he was constantly under, he was fantastic. There are very few defenders his size who can dispose of the ball well consistently.
The raw hard evidence of 82% efficiency is hard to argue with... :clapping
Stripes were you at the game last night. our backline create's most of the preasure on themselves by standing 20 metres off thier players & moving up the ground being caught out on simple turnovers. They are using too much energy to get back to contest the ball. By playing this way, once they do get back on thier man that they are waisted & have no strength or energy to contest leading to them being over-powered. This is basic football. If you were at the game you clearly see this. If Hardwick & his coaches cant see this, then we are done & dusted.
Always that balance of either being too defensive and keeping on your opponent/guarding space even when we have the ball or being more attacking and moving up the ground and leaving your opponent to give us more options moving the ball through the oppositions zone defence.
Did you feel Rance should have stayed back and left the midfielders to move the ball forward?
l'm not laying it on Rance, l said the backline & all 6 are guilty last night at some stage. Even the 6 forwards are guilty of this.
If the 6 forwards aint maning up then the backline has no hope because straight away you have free runners & when the midfield applys preasure then that gives the next link of free runners going until it hits the backline where again preasure must be applied to thier mids from our backline which leaves Cloke, Blair, Pendles, Swan, Dawes Fasolo all free.
The problem lies with players like Rewoldt, Jackson, Edwards, Martin, Vickery all culprits last night. you will see in other threads where l mentioned Jackson who was the main culprit all night. A backline like ours will always fall to extra preasure put on them from players up the field which is not fair. Rance, Grimes, Morris would be in my best players last night. Its hard to explain but the main problem is our lazy forward & our forward coach. players clashing for the ball is another problem.
But Rance, Morris, Grimes can only do so much :thumbsup
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I think Rance and Cotchin are the only two players that are going "all in" the rest, pfft, real let downs! All of them.
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Thought the comments that were made by the commentators last night were ill informed and based on past history rather than present performance. Even Richo's comments seemed a snapshot of Rance's weaknesses from when he played along side him rather than how he has executed by foot over the past season and a bit.
Rance was close to our best player last night and was excellent by foot for most of the game. I saw two notable exceptions but considering the amount of ball he had in his hands and the pressure he was constantly under, he was fantastic. There are very few defenders his size who can dispose of the ball well consistently.
The raw hard evidence of 82% efficiency is hard to argue with... :clapping
Stripes were you at the game last night. our backline create's most of the preasure on themselves by standing 20 metres off thier players & moving up the ground being caught out on simple turnovers. They are using too much energy to get back to contest the ball. By playing this way, once they do get back on thier man that they are waisted & have no strength or energy to contest leading to them being over-powered. This is basic football. If you were at the game you clearly see this. If Hardwick & his coaches cant see this, then we are done & dusted.
Always that balance of either being too defensive and keeping on your opponent/guarding space even when we have the ball or being more attacking and moving up the ground and leaving your opponent to give us more options moving the ball through the oppositions zone defence.
Did you feel Rance should have stayed back and left the midfielders to move the ball forward?
l'm not laying it on Rance, l said the backline & all 6 are guilty last night at some stage. Even the 6 forwards are guilty of this.
If the 6 forwards aint maning up then the backline has no hope because straight away you have free runners & when the midfield applys preasure then that gives the next link of free runners going until it hits the backline where again preasure must be applied to thier mids from our backline which leaves Cloke, Blair, Pendles, Swan, Dawes Fasolo all free.
The problem lies with players like Rewoldt, Jackson, Edwards, Martin, Vickery all culprits last night. you will see in other threads where l mentioned Jackson who was the main culprit all night. A backline like ours will always fall to extra preasure put on them from players up the field which is not fair. Rance, Grimes, Morris would be in my best players last night. Its hard to explain but the main problem is our lazy forward & our forward coach. players clashing for the ball is another problem.
But Rance, Morris, Grimes can only do so much :thumbsup
exactly, the backline is not the real problem, yes they are still very inexperienced and would make mistakes in a good side, but they are on a hiding to nothing atm, if they dont try and create space the forwards and mids arent, then we become completely pedestrian and will get boxed in by the press, but if they try and create they get caught out bc they play off their man, the fwds need to lift their workrate bigtime and so do the mids to a lesser extent. Im really happy with letting Rance, Grimes, Ellis, Houli and Morris settle as a unit over the year. If Newman could actually pull his weight also we may see the makings of a quality back 6.
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Rance named in the AFL site's team of the week. Puts the harsh tv commentary on the night into perspective.
BACKS
Alex Rance (Richmond) - The Tigers are 0-2 and struggling to get a foothold in season 2012 but they look to have a gem in their backline with Rance. Against Collingwood on Saturday night he had 34 disposals and a League-leading 17 marks to provide, with Chris Newman, a strong basis for rebounding attacks that his forwards just couldn’t convert with straight kicking.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132805/default.aspx
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Rance named in the AFL site's team of the week. Puts the harsh tv commentary on the night into perspective.
BACKS
Alex Rance (Richmond) - The Tigers are 0-2 and struggling to get a foothold in season 2012 but they look to have a gem in their backline with Rance. Against Collingwood on Saturday night he had 34 disposals and a League-leading 17 marks to provide, with Chris Newman, a strong basis for rebounding attacks that his forwards just couldn’t convert with straight kicking.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132805/default.aspx
back to back.
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If he can have another good season on the back of last year, and continue what he's done in the last two rounds then I cant see why he wont be up there for a JD medal at the end of the year. :shh whoa
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He wont be up for a JD because The Chimp is a SUPERFREAK
The Tross will have to settle for 2nd
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good to see young Rance up and about from
last year. :thumbsup
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Man crush.
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Is taking it to another level again :thumbsup
Vickery on the other hand.....
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Has replaced Vicks in our top echelon.
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Machine.
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Very happy with Rance. Better than I expected and looks to be improving every week. He's a good defender and isn't scared to run out of defence.
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Agree with the last four comments.. Continue doing what your doing this year.
There's room for improvement in everyones game, but Rance looks like he's continually trying to bridge that gap. Hope his work ethic is rubbing off onto our junior defenders
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I remember the baggers of Rance back a couple years ago, they have now moved on to Ty.
Anyone care to admit they were wrong..........again?
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I remember the baggers of Rance back a couple years ago, they have now moved on to Ty.
Anyone care to admit they were wrong..........again?
sheesh he has some concerning flaws and again people putting players up on pedestals thats why were the joke of the competition sheesh
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sheesh
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I remember the baggers of Rance back a couple years ago, they have now moved on to Ty.
Anyone care to admit they were wrong..........again?
I once was blind, but now i see.
Rance :bow
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sheesh ::)
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I remember the baggers of Rance back a couple years ago, they have now moved on to Ty.
Anyone care to admit they were wrong..........again?
sheesh he has some concerning flaws and again people putting players up on pedestals thats why were the joke of the competition sheesh
sheesh as usual supporters looking at glass half full types, sheesh
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;D
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Someone has found his on switch, he is flying.
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Congrats to Tross on reaching 50 games :clapping
Averaging 21 disposals at full back :o and 8 marks which shows his massive improvement this year :thumbsup.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1907&SeasonID=ALL
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onya Rancey :cheers
Imagine Rance on roids.. Would give Ronnie Coleman a run for his money ;D
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Sheesh, exactly what's wrong with this club, gifting glass half full types 50 games.
For mine, he's too small to be a key defender and he has too many weaknesses to even be a B- afl player, sheesh when will everyone realise
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jeez sheesh
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Yep, can't kick has no composure and as its been stated 1000 times before, he is way to short to be a Key position defender ::) need's to be dropped immediatly as he seems to be compleatly hindering the development of Dea :banghead
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Sheesh, exactly what's wrong with this club, gifting glass half full types 50 games.
For mine, he's too small to be a key defender and he has too many weaknesses to even be a B- afl player, sheesh when will everyone realise
Everyone with a proper sense of the development of our Mighty Tigers does realise.
Those that don't still need to realise. Don't they Tony?
Goodonya Alex. Keep on eating 'em alive.
Well done on 50 well deserved games.
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To borrow from Mr OE
I thinks this may apply
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/41607_196905424368_3536513_n.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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To borrow from Mr OE
I thinks this may apply
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/41607_196905424368_3536513_n.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I nearly bit too but soon realised. A lack of :lol and :) ;) :whistle :shh :o nearly had me.
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To borrow from Mr OE
I thinks this may apply
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/41607_196905424368_3536513_n.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I nearly bit too but soon realised. A lack of :lol and :) ;) :whistle :shh :o nearly had me.
I like to add mine late, after the hook has been set :shh :lol :lol :rollin ;D :cheers
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To borrow from Mr OE
I thinks this may apply
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/41607_196905424368_3536513_n.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I nearly bit too but soon realised. A lack of :lol and :) ;) :whistle :shh :o nearly had me.
I like to add mine late, after the hook has been set :shh :lol :lol :rollin ;D :cheers
:shh :lol :lol :rollin ;D :cheers
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To borrow from Mr OE
I thinks this may apply
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/41607_196905424368_3536513_n.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I nearly bit too but soon realised. A lack of :lol and :) ;) :whistle :shh :o nearly had me.
I like to add mine late, after the hook has been set :shh :lol :lol :rollin ;D :cheers
:bow :thumbsup
Keep telling Mr OE that he's just gotta add a fishing icon to the list ;D
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It's Ekto fishin season. And boy howdi they're bitin! :lol :lol
ps. I love the Trossman. He is a gun. And i plan to stalk him soon.
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Congrats rancer, if i had anything to do with it, hed be VC....love the improvement he has shown, hope it becomes contagious :shh
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Sheesh Tony :rollin
The Tross :cheers
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Cant kick. Makes too many errors. Only a back pocket. Would get killed vs key forwards.
Look forward to the return of mcgaune. Need to trade our 2nd draft pick for a chris tarrent
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Gee whiz
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Rance in ya pants
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TM went fishing and almost emptied the pacific ocean of all fish stocks lol. :gotigers
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sadly, the majestic blue-fin Ekto is now extinct.
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Proof positive that the decision to sidetrack on that draft and take Rance was right on the money. I breathed a sigh of relief when his name was called out :cheers
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I was so glad we got him too. :thumbsup
Pick 18 and he will be a very good player for us for a long time. :thumbsup
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I share the sentiment of this thread, I wrote him off after two games and he hasn't proven me wrong.
Bring back the Broadbeach brawler McGuane I say
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I share the sentiment of this thread, I wrote him off after two games and he hasn't proven me wrong.
Bring back the Broadbeach brawler McGuane I say
No, the Broadbeach Bullet will not play in the back half again. We need Duck at CHF
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I share the sentiment of this thread, I wrote him off after two games and he hasn't proven me wrong.
Bring back the Broadbeach brawler McGuane I say
No, the Broadbeach Bullet will not play in the back half again. We need Duck at CHF
He's being groomed for another 3 year contract as we speak ;D
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Paperwork being done as we speak is my mail. Craig Cameron watched Coburg on the weekend and it appears the message is getting across to the important people @ Tigerland. McGuane to play CHF in the ones soon. 3 year deal 500k a season.
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I share the sentiment of this thread, I wrote him off after two games and he hasn't proven me wrong.
Bring back the Broadbeach brawler McGuane I say
No, the Broadbeach Bullet will not play in the back half again. We need Duck at CHF
All jokes aside it's good to see them giving McGuane a red hot go at CHF for Coburg considering that's the position he played in jnr football.
People tend to forget he was crafted into a defender.
If he's to be delisted you'd want to be sure it doesn't bite plus it's a position that's still up for grabs.
If Dimma can reinvent Jake King there is hope for Luke yet.
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Im trying to picture his goal kicking action.... :help
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Crafted into a defender for good reason I reckon. He'd be a pretty good forward at any level apart from AFL. The bloke is a beast in the VFL. He'll get good money to play in the SANFL next year
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Was speaking to Adam Potter the other day and he is adamant that if McGuane kicks 10 in one game he is back and Miller is gawnski
I dont think there is anyone that thinks that is beyond him, considering his Broady days
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Was speaking to Adam Potter the other day and he is Adam Ant .......
Pretty radical transformation. :lol :lol :lol
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he changed the coburg team song to ant music
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Congrats to Alex :clapping.
I was one who was doubtful he'd make it after his first couple of years due to his footskills so he's happily proven me wrong. Despite making the occasional dodgy kick he's definite worked hard on reducing his deficiencies and now is a reliable young full back who rebounds well as well as spoils. He's shown he can handle the Pies and Eagles tall forwards.
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Good call MT. I was in the same boat. Congrats to him. He has worked hard on his disposal. His attitude is fantastic.
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Well done Tross :clapping
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VIDEO: It's his 50th game, so we had to put @trossman18 Under the Tigerscope #itgetsalittleweird
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/446352/default.aspx
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:lol
he is one strange unit
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Speaks well
Nice considered answers
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lol he is a classic, lmao funny bugger
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One of the better first 50 games from a key back in recent years
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10 sec left. Nothing to gain or lose. 50/50 in the back pocket vs some big bastard.
Rance dives head first gives no thought to chance of breaking his spine. Tuff as :gotigersgorance :pr :clapping
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And Morris is hurtling in the other direction,and wipes out rance ,both their opponents and cannons into the picket fence splintering it into minute pieces.
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And Morris is hurtling in the other direction,and wipes out rance ,both their opponents and cannons into the picket fence splintering it into minute pieces.
And the ball dribbles over the boundary line and the siren goes before they can score and we win the grand final and we all rejoice and don't give two flying fat farted stuffs about how we won it.
:gotigers
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Hard as nails with no regard for his safety whilst collecting the pill 20 or so times and providing run to boot. Rance is developing very nicely. He is a gem. :thumbsup
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In AA form :shh
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What is AA form? Kelvin Moore had a better year in 2008 and he wasn't even picked in the squad of 40.
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What is AA form? Kelvin Moore had a better year in 2008 and he wasn't even picked in the squad of 40.
We're only six games into the year Coach.
Having said that at this stage of the year AA should be the furtherest thing from any players mind.
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What is AA form? Kelvin Moore had a better year in 2008 and he wasn't even picked in the squad of 40.
We're only six games into the year Coach.
That's why I'm asking what AA form is ;D
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What is AA form? Kelvin Moore had a better year in 2008 and he wasn't even picked in the squad of 40.
We're only six games into the year Coach.
That's why I'm asking what AA form is ;D
Gotcha :thumbsup
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Woah Kevin Moore will have his work cut out for him trying to pry his spot back from Sir Rancelot :shh
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Moore could play 3rd tall to Grimes/Rance :whistle
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What is AA form? Kelvin Moore had a better year in 2008 and he wasn't even picked in the squad of 40.
bs!!!! moore had a good yr that yr but rance if he keeps thi sup will be all aussie fullback, he and grimes atm are the two best defending duos going around even playing better than taylor and lonergan at the cattery
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What is AA form? Kelvin Moore had a better year in 2008 and he wasn't even picked in the squad of 40.
bs!!!! moore had a good yr that yr but rance if he keeps thi sup will be all aussie fullback, he and grimes atm are the two best defending duos going around even playing better than taylor and lonergan at the cattery
Rance won't be AA. Even if he actually is the best full back this year. They'd stick Scarlett in even if he did his knee getting out of bed tomorrow.
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if rance keeps this up all yr he will be in, watch this space
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Rance was nae toweled up. He had no help. Didnt have a shocking game. Missed grimes iron fist giving him help.
Ohanlon should have been a starter. Stupid to give a debut to a kid as a sub. Makes it tough to impact game.
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Rance was nae toweled up. He had no help. Didnt have a shocking game. Missed grimes iron fist giving him help.
Ohanlon should have been a starter. Stupid to give a debut to a kid as a sub. Makes it tough to impact game.
he had 6 kicked on him and was comprhensibly beaten in the air on too many occasions. 6 in the wet thats like 12 in the dry.
why cant some just admit it when our players have an off day. reckon alex has struggled a lot at times this yr in the air. hes all we have at fb and he s doing alright though.
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Due to
1) at least one of pavs goals should have never been kicked. Yes rance lots it in the air but pav is v good. More so the fwd and mid should have never been allowed to be kicked to the contest with 2.5 secs left in the quarter.
2) everyone is worrying about there own man. Its selfish to not give rance a chop out. Look at johnson comming 3rd up vs jack time after time.
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we miss grimes
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Due to
1) at least one of pavs goals should have never been kicked. Yes rance lots it in the air but pav is v good. More so the fwd and mid should have never been allowed to be kicked to the contest with 2.5 secs left in the quarter.
2) everyone is worrying about there own man. Its selfish to not give rance a chop out. Look at johnson comming 3rd up vs jack time after time.
he was well beaten end of story you can make all the excuses up you want.
6 goals one. should have been 7 but for a shocking bounce. 17 possesions on a miserable wet day.
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I never once said rance beat pav on the day. Merly he did not have his pants pulled down to the extent you make out. SOS would have struggled with the lack of support shown today.
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I never once said rance beat pav on the day. Merly he did not have his pants pulled down to the extent you make out. SOS would have struggled with the lack of support shown today.
b/s he was poor just admit it it wont kill ya. not the first time hes been poor this yr either. bloody hell 6 in the wet hes not only had his pants pulled down hes been bent over and reamed.
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Due to
1) at least one of pavs goals should have never been kicked. Yes rance lots it in the air but pav is v good. More so the fwd and mid should have never been allowed to be kicked to the contest with 2.5 secs left in the quarter.
2) everyone is worrying about there own man. Its selfish to not give rance a chop out. Look at johnson comming 3rd up vs jack time after time.
he was well beaten end of story you can make all the excuses up you want.
6 goals one. should have been 7 but for a shocking bounce. 17 possesions on a miserable wet day.
I'm with you on this one Claw. Rance had a shocker and I don't think he was just beaten in the air. Pavlich was too quick, too strong and too smart and it was just one of those days that every player has (some more than others) where you get comprehensively beaten. Test of his mettle will be how quickly and well he bounces back to good form.
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Yep,
pav got his fair share of charity but Rance got toweled up, no two ways about it.
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I never once said rance beat pav on the day. Merly he did not have his pants pulled down to the extent you make out. SOS would have struggled with the lack of support shown today.
b/s he was poor just admit it it wont kill ya. not the first time hes been poor this yr either. bloody hell 6 in the wet hes not only had his pants pulled down hes been bent over and reamed.
Love Rance as a player but happy to admit he was flogged. Some help occasionally would have been nice but sometimes you're going to get caught 1 out and you need to be able to win the contest sometimes ie.McPharlin.
edit: why are we talking about Rance in the O'Hanlon thread? :banghead
Kid showed a lot yesterday. Such a good kick of the footy.
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Ok for the first time this year a firward has got a hold of rance, unless ive missed something along the way ::)
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Ok for the first time this year a firward has got a hold of rance, unless ive missed something along the way ::)
Correct :thumbsup
Remember BJ, we just lost, so our team is now full of duds :lol
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There were many instances during the game where Freo isolated Rance.some of the one on one duels Rance did win but at crucial times he was well and truly out pointed by pavlich..Its also fair to say rance got very little help from the other Richmond players.One who i thought might drift across and provide a chop out was Batch,but this didnt happen ,in fact i thought batch was close to one of our worst,some of his decision making was diabolical.
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Just as an aside.I noticed rance was beaten to the ball a few times by pavlich,which made me wonder if rance was carrying an injury..i would hardly think a bloke of pavlich size and age would beat the ultra athlete rance in a run to the ball.
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Compare the amount of times Jack was double and triple teamed compared to Pavlich.
Chalk and cheese folks.
Yes Rance was beaten but he usually gets more support.
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Merrett
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Compare the amount of times Jack was double and triple teamed compared to Pavlich.
Chalk and cheese folks.
Yes Rance was beaten but he usually gets more support.
we missed grimes
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Merrett
Instant flag, just add water... and sauce :shh
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Granted we did miss grimes,but yesterday in those conditions we really missed foley..theres not much of nathan but hes strong in upper body and would have more than held his own against those bigger bodied dockers.In most games you find nathan at the bottom of a pack and yesterday was perfect for that type of player
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Just as an aside.I noticed rance was beaten to the ball a few times by pavlich,which made me wonder if rance was carrying an injury..i would hardly think a bloke of pavlich size and age would beat the ultra athlete rance in a run to the ball.
perhaps pav just reads the play better than rance. there was one instance (third 1/4 i think) where one on one, rance moved to his left only to leave pav standing still and take an easy mark.
like, WTF :huh
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Ok for the first time this year a firward has got a hold of rance, unless ive missed something along the way ::)
Correct :thumbsup
Remember BJ, we just lost, so our team is now full of duds :lol
cant accuse me of that one. win or lose ive pretty much stuck to my guns about our players.
thing is its a roundabout on all forums. they have a good day and the defenders come out in force. have a bad day the critics come out. a game here or there wont change my mind i will of course acknowledge when they play well and let you all know it when they dont.
its like edwards hes forced me to acknowledge 4 decent weeks in a row but 4 weeks of decent footy wont win me over after 6 yrs of mostly mediocrity.
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Cool story bro.
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Due to
1) at least one of pavs goals should have never been kicked. Yes rance lots it in the air but pav is v good. More so the fwd and mid should have never been allowed to be kicked to the contest with 2.5 secs left in the quarter.
2) everyone is worrying about there own man. Its selfish to not give rance a chop out. Look at johnson comming 3rd up vs jack time after time.
he was well beaten end of story you can make all the excuses up you want.
6 goals one. should have been 7 but for a shocking bounce. 17 possesions on a miserable wet day.
should of been 5 but he got a lucky bounce, another one rance wasnt on him because of a turn over in the back half by newman. Make it 4 goals to pav. Your shocking bounce logic is useless
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Merrett
Astbury
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Merrett
Astbury
why not both. astbury may not even play back.
look the club had it right when they said last yr they would go after a big kpd. we didnt get one but the need is still there. as far as i know they made some strong enquiries about nm thompson for one.
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Agree with "Granted we did miss grimes,but yesterday in those conditions we really missed foley..theres not much of nathan but hes strong in upper body and would have more than held his own against those bigger bodied dockers.In most games you find nathan at the bottom of a pack and yesterday was perfect for that type of player" Grimes would have provided good run as well
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Due to
1) at least one of pavs goals should have never been kicked. Yes rance lots it in the air but pav is v good. More so the fwd and mid should have never been allowed to be kicked to the contest with 2.5 secs left in the quarter.
2) everyone is worrying about there own man. Its selfish to not give rance a chop out. Look at johnson comming 3rd up vs jack time after time.
he was well beaten end of story you can make all the excuses up you want.
6 goals one. should have been 7 but for a shocking bounce. 17 possesions on a miserable wet day.
This came to me in a dream:
Yet another of pavs goals were hard to blame rance. The snapgoal that bounced in was woeful team defending. From the pack situation in the deep forward line.
When there are 30 odd blokes the spare rfx needs to be either on the goal line. Or in the action
Not in no mans land watch balls go over his head and bounce in.
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Rance faces tough AFL test against Patton
14 Jun 2012, 2:30 pm
Source: AAP/SBS
Richmond AFL coach Damien Hardwick says Greater Western Sydney will be a tough challenge for the Tigers.
What better way for Richmond's Alex Rance to regain some form than by taking on a debutant teenager in a team ranked 17th on the AFL ladder?
Rance has made a solid start to his fourth season at Tigerland, however the 22-year-old West Australian had a tough day last week as Fremantle's Matthew Pavlich bagged six goals.
On Saturday, Rance is expected to line up on Greater Western Sydney's 19-year-old Victorian recruit Jonathon Patton, who had knee surgery in January.
However, not only is Patton already a man-sized key forward at 197 centimetres and 102 kilograms, he's regarded as a future superstar after being taken at No.1 overall in the 2011 AFL draft.
Rance will be conceding Patton three centimetres and nine kilograms.
"He's a formidable looking lad. You only had to watch him at draft camp," Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said on Thursday.
"You'd never probably seen someone so ready to take the game to the AFL."
Hardwick was asked if Rance would try to intimidate young Patton in the same way Collingwood did with Melbourne's lightly-built debutant No.1 draft pick Jack Watts in 2009.
"'Rancey' will niggle, maybe, but he (Patton) is a player who's certainly looking to make his way in the AFL and we'll treat him accordingly," Hardwick said.
The 11th-placed Tigers (5-6) will be desperate to regain some winning momentum to help them stay in touch with the top eight ahead of next week's bye.
Hardwick says Rance's confidence remains intact.
"Alex didn't play to the level he likes to on a weekly basis," Hardwick said of last week's 12-point loss to the Dockers.
"Pavlich kicked a number of goals over the back where we turned over the ball and Alex got caught out of position.
"He's a confidence player, Alex, and he doesn't lack any of that. He'll get back on the horse this week and I've no doubt he'll have a good game."
The Tigers are expecting Patton to play despite limping off the training track on Wednesday.
"We heard he got a knock on his knee," Hardwick said.
"I saw 'Sheeds' (coach Kevin Sheedy) last night at the Hall of Fame, giving nothing away.
"We think he'll play.
"They've got some formidable targets up there. Jeremy Cameron's playing well."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1659109/Rance-faces-tough-AFL-test-against-Patton
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Rance rises to the occasion
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 19 Jun, 2012
Triple Brisbane premiership defender and current Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch has praised key Tiger backman Alex Rance for his match-saving, final-quarter performance against Greater Western Sydney in last Saturday’s Round 12 clash.
Read full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/138978/default.aspx
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more fluff for the deluded to swallow up. didnt rance play on a kid who imo had a pretty decent game in wet conditions.
you can put money on it as soon as a player gets criticied ie rance v pav they come out sugar coating the next week.
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Best thing in the article was the remider that Rance is still only 22 years old.
:cheers
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What I often find around forums is that when a young player leaps up and performs at very high standard people raise their expectations to that level. Then when, as is typical with any young player, that standard drops for a period of time, posters flock in to start to claim that they are 'over-rated', 'average' or 'ordinary'.
The memory spans of some is incredibly small, either that or they just like to take an opportunity they can to put down our better players.
Patience and perspective
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What I often find around forums is that when a young player leaps up and performs at very high standard people raise their expectations to that level. Then when, as is typical with any young player, that standard drops for a period of time, posters flock in to start to claim that they are 'over-rated', 'average' or 'ordinary'.
The memory spans of some is incredibly small, either that or they just like to take an opportunity they can to put down our better players.
Patience and perspective
In all fairness to claw, he has never rated Rance, sheesh - glass half full type that we need to upgrade :shh
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:lol
Juddy has a theory that the average memory span for the media and joe punter during the season is two weeks.
Case in point Malthouse rating norf's season a B. Three weeks ago they were beaten by over 100 points.
Four weeks ago Tross towelled up the best forward in the comp.
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more fluff for the deluded to swallow up. didnt rance play on a kid who imo had a pretty decent game in wet conditions.
you can put money on it as soon as a player gets criticied ie rance v pav they come out sugar coating the next week.
geez and so it goes.
be happy geez you were doing
the same on another site when i lived
in WA.
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The first 10 or so rounds Rance was on song (people talking AA) but since then he's been well beaten by his direct forward .... Pav, Cameron and now Walker today. Is he carrying some niggle or something (?) as he's terribly lost form. He's losing contact with his opponent all to readily and is just being too slow to react and is being caught out of position which sees him lose his feet at times.
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The first 10 or so rounds Rance was on song (people talking AA) but since then he's been well beaten by his direct forward .... Pav, Cameron and now Walker today. Is he carrying some niggle or something (?) as he's terribly lost form. He's losing contact with his opponent all to readily and is just being too slow to react and is being caught out of position which sees him lose his feet at times.
disagree rance has never been on aa track. the same things that have him in the gun this week and the last 4 weeks have always been there, and have raised their ugly head most weeks.maybe not as often as this week but most weeks hes been poo in one area or another.
people imo have become stats gurus and stats lie. 25 possesion games doesnt necesarily mean a good game.
anyway i dont not rate him i just dont think he should play fb imo we dont have a premiership fb yet.
if there was just one player on the list who was capable of holding down fb other than rance i would be screaming for him to be played. the truth of the matter is we dont have another option for his job. but we sure as hell need to find one.
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I think defensively we are in a hole. More pressure on him and the ball is coming in more quickly and direct in the opposition forward line.
12-6 Freo.
12-2 GWS
17-4 Adel
Alot of corridor scores we are giving away putting pressure on the backs. Burden falls on Rance because he played on Pavlich, Cameron and Walker. UNfortunantely his smaller size as a KPP is being exposed. We need a monster like Merrett or a Glass type who can negate these fwd types.
Surely Foley's absence can't be a coincidence and the lesser midfield pressure. :-\
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The first 10 or so rounds Rance was on song (people talking AA) but since then he's been well beaten by his direct forward .... Pav, Cameron and now Walker today. Is he carrying some niggle or something (?) as he's terribly lost form. He's losing contact with his opponent all to readily and is just being too slow to react and is being caught out of position which sees him lose his feet at times.
Its not just rance mate
Look at how teams mark jack.
The team needs to support the bloke playing on the other sides best forward. Our team work is quite rubbish.
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Agree need to help out teamates more
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just has been going to ground too easily of late, and he is getting a few mates following this trend.
I also feel he worries too much about his man at times rather than just backing himself to get a fist to the ball.
I think defensively we are in a hole. More pressure on him and the ball is coming in more quickly and direct in the opposition forward line.
12-6 Freo.
12-2 GWS
17-4 Adel
Alot of corridor scores we are giving away putting pressure on the backs. Burden falls on Rance because he played on Pavlich, Cameron and Walker. UNfortunantely his smaller size as a KPP is being exposed. We need a monster like Merrett or a Glass type who can negate these fwd types.
Surely Foley's absence can't be a coincidence and the lesser midfield pressure. :-\
Hmmm, you could be onto something there tucker.
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I think defensively we are in a hole. More pressure on him and the ball is coming in more quickly and direct in the opposition forward line.
12-6 Freo.
12-2 GWS
17-4 Adel
Alot of corridor scores we are giving away putting pressure on the backs. Burden falls on Rance because he played on Pavlich, Cameron and Walker. UNfortunantely his smaller size as a KPP is being exposed. We need a monster like Merrett or a Glass type who can negate these fwd types.
Surely Foley's absence can't be a coincidence and the lesser midfield pressure. :-\
:clapping
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I think defensively we are in a hole. More pressure on him and the ball is coming in more quickly and direct in the opposition forward line.
12-6 Freo.
12-2 GWS
17-4 Adel
Alot of corridor scores we are giving away putting pressure on the backs. Burden falls on Rance because he played on Pavlich, Cameron and Walker. UNfortunantely his smaller size as a KPP is being exposed. We need a monster like Merrett or a Glass type who can negate these fwd types.
Surely Foley's absence can't be a coincidence and the lesser midfield pressure. :-\
Tucker, I dont know why we would engineer a smaller loose man down back against a tall Adelaide forward line :huh. Grimesy should have been the 'loosey' in order to negate the prescence of their big blokes.
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Rance came second this year in the 'Reverse Coleman' - most goals kicked on one player for the year.
GWS' Phil Davis had 52 goals kicked on him in 22 games, ahead of Richmond's Alex Rance (48 goals, 22 games) and Port Adelaide's Alipate Carlile (47, 20).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/147092/default.aspx
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The reverse coleman :lol
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somehow, it doesn't sound as appealing as the reverse cowboy....
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:lol
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Eddie McDire has shortened in the reverse kanga award for turning a club to custard from a seeming glorious era.
Sticks has also made a play after singing stand by your man to serenade Ratts with his fingers crossed behind his back
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rance is so overrated its not funny
he is only handy when grimes is there to help him
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gtfo
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Best thing in the article was the remider that Rance is still only 22 years old.
:cheers
the sad thing is after 5 yrs the falling over the poor judgement in the air the poor one on one contests remain a constant and have hardly improved one bit.
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In my opinion Alex is in our top 2 or 3 in one on one contests.Gives away a lot of height to some of the powerhouse forwards in the AFL.Hence the probability of us drafting chaplin
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Best thing in the article was the remider that Rance is still only 22 years old.
:cheers
the sad thing is after 5 yrs the falling over the poor judgement in the air the poor one on one contests remain a constant and have hardly improved one bit.
Claw did you ever answer my question a while back - If you could swap Alex Rance for any 21/22yo fullback from any other club who would that be?
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Best thing in the article was the remider that Rance is still only 22 years old.
:cheers
the sad thing is after 5 yrs the falling over the poor judgement in the air the poor one on one contests remain a constant and have hardly improved one bit.
Claw did you ever answer my question a while back - If you could swap Alex Rance for any 21/22yo fullback from any other club who would that be?
nope didnt read it.
wont answer either as i think it irrelevant.
15 16 of the full backs in the league would be over 22. some may not have started as a fb but all have the right attributes unlike alex even as a youngsters to perform the role.he doesnt have the tools to be a good fb.
i dont think alex rance a good fb and i dont think he has much of an upside as a fb because he lacks the attributes to play there.
we have a player who has all the attributes to fb bar one and it is important.
dylan grimes is quick and agile, has good closing speed, reads the play real well, is as sound as they come in the air defensively and has good skills by foot.
he lacks size and strength and he may never be big enough to play one on one against the bigger forwards. he has far better attributes to play fb than rance but i would not be looking to play him there atm and certainly not left one on one until the size happens.
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Best thing in the article was the remider that Rance is still only 22 years old.
:cheers
the sad thing is after 5 yrs the falling over the poor judgement in the air the poor one on one contests remain a constant and have hardly improved one bit.
Thats the problem with having no one else to play fullback, would be a gun playing off the deep forward
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Who knows could be our answer at CHF....could be our Tom Hawkins, minus the eyeliner.....whoa :shh
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Rancey's engaged <3
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Rancey's engaged <3
Go forth and multiply.........not you, Rance.
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the sad thing is after 5 yrs the falling over the poor judgement in the air the poor one on one contests remain a constant and have hardly improved one bit.
Disagree. Still gets caught out at times but has definitely improved in the air.
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Rancey's engaged <3
Go forth and multiply.........not you, Rance.
What for? To produce kids that can't kick?
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Rancey's engaged <3
Go forth and multiply.........not you, Rance.
What for? To produce kids that can't kick?
Agree next he will be hoping JR mutliplies,last thing we need is more Coleman medallists.
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Rancey's engaged <3
Go forth and multiply.........not you, Rance.
What for? To produce kids that can't kick?
Agree next he will be hoping JR mutliplies,last thing we need is more Coleman medallists.
Who cry 24/7
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Rancey's engaged <3
Go forth and multiply.........not you, Rance.
What for? To produce kids that can't kick?
Agree next he will be hoping JR mutliplies,last thing we need is more Coleman medallists.
Who cry 24/7
And point their fingers everywhere
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Rancey's engaged <3
Go forth and multiply.........not you, Rance.
What for? To produce kids that can't kick?
Agree next he will be hoping JR mutliplies,last thing we need is more Coleman medallists.
Who cry 24/7
And point their fingers everywhere
and have red hair and freckles
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and only kick goals when it doesn't matter. Junk time Jack ;D the big man yess :clapping
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Reckon Rance cops a ridiculous amont of criticism from many quarters. Best key defender we have had in yonks IMO. Need to build around him.
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and only kick goals when it doesn't matter. Junk time Jack ;D the big man yess :clapping
Go to bed
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I first want to say sorry to Alex i thought he was gay with all that male stalking stuff and the way he came across in the under the microscope segment early this year , Not that it matters as Jerry Seinfeld says :)
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Reckon Rance cops a ridiculous amont of criticism from many quarters. Best key defender we have had in yonks IMO. Need to build around him.
Correct nothing wrong with Rance
It's exactly the reason Post needs 1 more season to develop
Can still make it
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Reckon Rance cops a ridiculous amont of criticism from many quarters. Best key defender we have had in yonks IMO. Need to build around him.
Correct nothing wrong with Rance
inb4claw :shh
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Reckon Rance cops a ridiculous amont of criticism from many quarters. Best key defender we have had in yonks IMO. Need to build around him.
Correct nothing wrong with Rance
It's exactly the reason Post needs 1 more season to develop
Can still make it
Disagree. Post has none of Alex's desire nor physicality.
Chalk and cheese!!
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grimes is better than Rance. Better in the air and so much better by foot it ain't funny. A lot younger and less experienced too. The next Fletcher if his hammies hold up. Which they probably won't ;D
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grimes is better than Rance. Better in the air and so much better by foot it ain't funny. A lot younger and less experienced too. The next Fletcher if his hammies hold up. Which they probably won't ;D
we agree again, this is becoming a bad habit
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Reckon Rance cops a ridiculous amont of criticism from many quarters. Best key defender we have had in yonks IMO. Need to build around him.
Correct nothing wrong with Rance
It's exactly the reason Post needs 1 more season to develop
Can still make it
Disagree. Post has none of Alex's desire nor physicality.
Chalk and cheese!!
In not saying post will succeeded but people like u have a short memory
Few years ago most on here are saying Rance was a hack, Malthiuse said so etc etc
Edwards has been in the system how long?
Surely Post gets another year
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Rancey's engaged <3
Go forth and multiply.........not you Rance.
What for? To produce kids that can't kick?
Late edit ;)
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In not saying post will succeeded but people like u have a short memory
Few years ago most on here are saying Rance was a hack, Malthiuse said so etc etc
Edwards has been in the system how long?
Surely Post gets another year
Post is the same age as Rance so a few years ago when Rance was a dud, so was Post. Difference is Rance developed
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[Post is the same age as Rance so a few years ago when Rance was a dud, so was Post. Difference is Rance developed
Indeed. Makes a mockery of the argument.
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Rance needs to quit playing club celebrity and spend more time thinking about the deficiency in his game that is kicking.
Enough of the in house video interviews and striking poses at training when he senses cameras on the boundary.
I'm riding this prick in 2013, with a broken glass.
ps- Alex- give up the role of club comedian.
You're not that funny.
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Rance needs to quit playing club celebrity and spend more time thinking about the deficiency in his game that is kicking.
Enough of the in house video interviews and striking poses at training when he senses cameras on the boundary.
I'm riding this prick in 2013, with a broken glass.
ps- Alex- give up the role of club comedian.
You're not that funny.
Agreed! He's not funny at all! He's a knob.
Improve your kicking mate or stuff off back to Perth.
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Rance needs to quit playing club celebrity and spend more time thinking about the deficiency in his game that is kicking.
Enough of the in house video interviews and striking poses at training when he senses cameras on the boundary.
I'm riding this prick in 2013, with a broken glass.
ps- Alex- give up the role of club comedian.
You're not that funny.
Not real keen on getting my posts snipped for no reason. I agree with that comedian stuff oxx. and I'll say this again, when is Rance coming out of the closet? There is no law against that comment. surely...
this reminds me of carogate in 2010.
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I couldn't give a stuff if Alex is less funny than Peter Helliar so long as he plays good footy and he's clearly been our best performed defender the past two seasons.
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Steve Morris was our best defender this year and Grimes was better than Rance when he was on the park. :thumbsup
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Steve Morris was our best defender this year and Grimes was better than Rance when he was on the park. :thumbsup
Yet Alex still finished 6th in the B&F. Underrated by many 'supporters'. Not the coaching staff though.
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Steve Morris was our best defender this year and Grimes was better than Rance when he was on the park. :thumbsup
Yet Alex still finished 6th in the B&F. Underrated by many 'supporters'. Not the coaching staff though.
Grimes would have been top 4 if he played all year. He averaged as many votes per game as any other player bar Cotch IIRC
and lol at people not being considered supporters because they don't think Rance is the best full back in the comp.
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and lol at people not being considered supporters because they don't think Rance is the best full back in the comp.
Who said he's the best FB in the comp?
FWIW Grimes has missed a season of footy the past 2 years. Promising player absolutely but wouldn't be hanging my hat on that one. As for Morris..well he's not a key back is he.
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Rance plays at another level when Grimes is there. If Grimes had to play without Rance, he may struggle a little as well. Both extremely important to the other, need them both on field for us. Add Chaplin to them and if we don't have any injuries between the 3 . . . well watch out :shh
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and lol at people not being considered supporters because they don't think Rance is the best full back in the comp.
Who said he's the best FB in the comp?
FWIW Grimes has missed a season of footy the past 2 years. Promising player absolutely but wouldn't be hanging my hat on that one. As for Morris..well he's not a key back is he.
You said Rance has been our best defender for two years. Steven Morris = a defender and our best one this year. Funny how small forwards no longer destroy us...yet we still need a monster full back apparently because Rance isn't good enough to take the best forwards in the comp. There's no shame in that. Rance is alright, he has a crack but let's not talk him up as if he's something special.
I think some 'supporters' think Rance is better than he actually is. ;) ;D
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Rance plays at another level when Grimes is there. If Grimes had to play without Rance, he may struggle a little as well. Both extremely important to the other, need them both on field for us. Add Chaplin to them and if we don't have any injuries between the 3 . . . well watch out :shh
Nah I don't think so. Grimesy is a very good defender one on one. Just a very good player overall, IMO. For a kid that's had the injuries he's had (and is still young) he's been bloody good. Chaplin will be a reasonable upgrade on Posty
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Rance needs to quit playing club celebrity and spend more time thinking about the deficiency in his game that is kicking.
Enough of the in house video interviews and striking poses at training when he senses cameras on the boundary.
I'm riding this prick in 2013, with a broken glass.
ps- Alex- give up the role of club comedian.
You're not that funny.
Not real keen on getting my posts snipped for no reason. I agree with that comedian stuff oxx. and I'll say this again, when is Rance coming out of the closet? There is no law against that comment. surely...
this reminds me of carogate in 2010.
Just got engaged, so I doubt it'll be anytime soon. :thumbsup
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Rance, what a funny duffer :cheers
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Rance needs to quit playing club celebrity and spend more time thinking about the deficiency in his game that is kicking.
Enough of the in house video interviews and striking poses at training when he senses cameras on the boundary.
I'm riding this prick in 2013, with a broken glass.
ps- Alex- give up the role of club comedian.
You're not that funny.
Not real keen on getting my posts snipped for no reason. I agree with that comedian stuff oxx. and I'll say this again, when is Rance coming out of the closet? There is no law against that comment. surely...
this reminds me of carogate in 2010.
Just got engaged, so I doubt it'll be anytime soon. :thumbsup
Yes Willy P has been very excited. Must have snagged an invite.
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Rance is 23 today :birthday
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Rance is 23 today :birthday
and engaged already!
Good culture down at punt rd.
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Rance is 23 today :birthday
and engaged already!
and the lucky blokes is?
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Rance is 23 today :birthday
and engaged already!
and the lucky blokes is?
Tim Campbell
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Rance is 23 today :birthday
and engaged already!
and the lucky blokes is?
Darvid
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sheesh give it a rest folks
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sheesh give it a rest folks
Great idea :banghead
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sheesh give it a rest folks
sheesh give it a rest folks
Great idea :banghead
:banghead
:lol
:outtahere
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Tross plays well on Jono Brown & Buddy so to say he can't beat the best forwards in the game is just not right Coach. Usually I let you have your say but not this time.
Struggles against Pav & Petrie, and the goat
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Tross plays well on Jono Brown & Buddy so to say he can't beat the best forwards in the game is just not right Coach. Usually I let you have your say but not this time.
Struggles against Pav & Petrie, and the goat
Brown still plays in the AFL? The goat :cheers Usually I'll talk him up but not this time
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Rance plays at another level when Grimes is there. If Grimes had to play without Rance, he may struggle a little as well. Both extremely important to the other, need them both on field for us. Add Chaplin to them and if we don't have any injuries between the 3 . . . well watch out :shh
Nah I don't think so. Grimesy is a very good defender one on one. Just a very good player overall, IMO. For a kid that's had the injuries he's had (and is still young) he's been bloody good. Chaplin will be a reasonable upgrade on Posty
I have to agree, but thats mainly because Rance doesn't have to try and cover peoples men and be one of the main rebounders because Grimes is good one on one and his smart enough and good enough to know when to give Rance or someone a chop out, plus take rebounding pressure off Rance
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For the record, I am not saying Rance is better than Grimes, simply that with Grimes there, Rance improves. Same way I think that Grimes would not play as well as he does if Rance was out of the side, as he then has heaps more to worry about. The work load is spread when they are both there, as opposed to heaped on the one player.
Grimes is a freak, out and out future star if he gets those hamstrings in order.
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For the record, I am not saying Rance is better than Grimes, simply that with Grimes there, Rance improves. Same way I think that Grimes would not play as well as he does if Rance was out of the side, as he then has heaps more to worry about. The work load is spread when they are both there, as opposed to heaped on the one player.
No doubt Rance's form dropped away in tandem with Grimes going out of the side and Post playing back in defence.
Little wonder he wanted Chaplin.
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For the record, I am not saying Rance is better than Grimes, simply that with Grimes there, Rance improves. Same way I think that Grimes would not play as well as he does if Rance was out of the side, as he then has heaps more to worry about. The work load is spread when they are both there, as opposed to heaped on the one player.
No doubt Rance's form dropped away in tandem with Grimes going out of the side and Post playing back in defence.
Little wonder he wanted Chaplin.
I'm hoping we can start talking about our wonderful club "post post" very soon. :pray
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Rance showing off his Richmond guernsey collection ...
(http://distilleryimage6.instagram.com/9651dde044a411e2ace922000a1f90f6_7.jpg)
http://instagram.com/p/TJuPoLFgK-/
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Watched the replay of the round 17 lose to the Kangas last night and remember some comments from after that game from a regular poster on here about Rance that night. Now everybody has an opinion, but some opinions are simply just wrong.....and dumb!
Up until the start of the last quarter, Tim Watson and Bruce on the commentary were saying that Rance was BOG or very close and in All Australian contention. In the last, Petrie kicked 3 goals on him but 5 for the quarter, which isn't great but cannot be blamed on Rance alone. McGuane didn't help!
The first one was on a lead that knowbody who has every played the game before could have stopped.
The second Rance was out marked. And for those that have played the game before at a decent level would know, it happens sometime. You are playing on some very good players, and Petrie is definitely one of them.
And the third was a marking contest that Rance slipped at the last minute and Petrie took the grab and kicked his third for the quarter.
But to say Rance cannot play on the big forwards or that Alex lowered his colours that night is dumb and just not right.
Rance had an awesome year and is becoming one of the best backman in the comp.
He is a great stopper, can play on smalls and talls and gives us good rebound out of our backhalf but most importantly he is not afraid to take the game on, be it with his kicking (the ball forward) or with his run out of the backline.
Now mistakes will be made and when you take ricks as Alex and others do, not everything will be roses but for me I'm happy with that if players like Rance take the game on.
Even Cotch in the last few minutes of that game kicked the ball straight to a Kangas players 30 metres from goal that cost us the game.
IMO Alex Rance is in the 5 most valuable players in our side.
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Couldnt agree more big tone.I think Rance is a dead set gun,with an absolutely huge up side.With a bit of luck of keeping Grimesy on the park and with the introduction of the south australian boy to our backline,we just might see Alex crank it up a few more notches.
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His kicking is a bit how you going
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agree Mrakov ..his kicking is his one downside.This is the one area that if alex can improve will take him to the elite level.
and I'm not talking a massive transformation here just being able to pick out teamates up the field
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His kicking is a bit how you going
His kicking has improved 100%. IMO people get something in their heads from early on and that's it forever on players. Alex kicking was very good this year.
Like i said in the post, these guys are going to make mistakes when they take the game on. Other players take the easy option coming out of the backline (Post, MaGuane, Moore) and either go sideways or even worse backwards. For me the most exciting thing about Rance and even Grimmes is that they are not afraid to make a mistake, but what they do give is the players up field a much better chance when they move the ball quickly. And this is how we are going to improve as a side.
Next year, take a look and let me know what you think
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His kicking is a bit how you going
His kicking has improved 100%. IMO people get something in their heads from early on and that's it forever on players. Alex kicking was very good this year.
Like i said in the post, these guys are going to make mistakes when they take the game on. Other players take the easy option coming out of the backline (Post, MaGuane, Moore) and either go sideways or even worse backwards. For me the most exciting thing about Rance and even Grimmes is that they are not afraid to make a mistake, but what they do give is the players up field a much better chance when they move the ball quickly. And this is how we are going to improve as a side.
Next year, take a look and let me know what you think
Still turned it over a fair bit
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Has a lot of upside and as mentioned by other posters, has had grimes come in and out.
Besides that has had assitance from post, mcguane, kel moore, dea etc.
Even if he never becomes a superstar I still think he will be important in our future
Kov hows the vbski's?
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Has a lot of upside and as mentioned by other posters, has had grimes come in and out.
Besides that has had assitance from post, mcguane, kel moore, dea etc.
Even if he never becomes a superstar I still think he will be important in our future
Kov hows the vbski's?
Going down a treatski
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Excellentski :thumbsup
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Excellentski :thumbsup
#cooked
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Steve Morris was our best defender this year and Grimes was better than Rance when he was on the park. :thumbsup
Yet Alex still finished 6th in the B&F. Underrated by many 'supporters'. Not the coaching staff though.
hmm id like a dollar for every time ive read similar about the coaching staff. ya know what? just perhaps, im it could be a possibility the coaching staff are wrong. hmm a backman in a side that finished 12th
rance has three obvious and clear deficiencies in his game. he also has a few decent strengths. we got chaplin because of those weaknesses those weaknesses have regularly cost us big time.
if rance cannot perform his defensive responsibilities without grimes in the side that makes him deficient and thus a liability far too often. you just need compare the difference between rance and grimes in critical areas one is accomplished assured and rarely makes a mistake the other well at times it is comedy capers. no wonder we went out and got chaplin.
no matter which way you look at it, this yr he has had more goals kicked on him bar one player. people arent imagining him falling over, or pretending he misses a lot of easy spoils.or the fact he gets caught out of position far too often or he struggles one on one far too often. it happens and it happens too often.
as for his kicking well hes an average kick and it is improving. these things just didnt appear over night they have happened every yr.
ive seen supporters rave about games this bloke has played because of the amount of ball hes got. they dont ever see in the same game him leave his man or see him fall over at the wrong time or completely miss an easy spoil having minutes before done a good spoil or get out bodied. hes a battler in these areas.
the complaint is not that he doesnt do these things well. fact is at times he does. the complaint is that far too often he does them poorly. he is not assured and accomplished in the air and he certainly lacks composure.
these are all things that we see, or it seems some of us see. just because others dont see it does it mean we are wrong. what are we to do ignore these things or be honest and make comment on them when discussing him.
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Got married over the weekend too
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If the claw read the weather repor, it would go longer than the movie the hobbit
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If the claw read the weather repor, it would go longer than the movie the hobbit
Thanks for the heads up. Just perusing OER during the trailers in the cinemas waiting for The Hobbit to start. I was about to start reading Crawes' post but I think the movie will be over before I'm done.
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If the claw read the weather repor, it would go longer than the movie the hobbit
Thanks for the heads up. Just perusing OER during the trailers in the cinemas waiting for The Hobbit to start. I was about to start reading Crawes' post but I think the movie will be over before I'm done.
It's not the crawe, it's the craw!
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If the claw read the weather repor, it would go longer than the movie the hobbit
Thanks for the heads up. Just perusing OER during the trailers in the cinemas waiting for The Hobbit to start. I was about to start reading Crawes' post but I think the movie will be over before I'm done.
It's not the crawe, it's the craw!
I thought it was overdue for a revamp :shh
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just for the record it has nothing to do with tiger claws though i like the inference.
it comes from a silly movie called the curse of the claw slash craw. i liked the play on words in relation to how the rfc was travelling.
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just for the record it has nothing to do with tiger claws though i like the inference.
it comes from a silly movie called the curse of the claw slash craw. i liked the play on words in relation to how the rfc was travelling.
You a fan of Rancer's kicking ?
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If Chaplin, Griff and Grimes are fit and firing where does that leave Rance. He's too small for the Key Forwards and having 4 'talls' in the backline is too many. Could he take Luke's role on the forward line? His forward pressure would be welcomed.
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CHB
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if all are fit and firing the chosen selection order you would think for the backline would be grimes, chaplin, rance, morris and then griffiths, hence why their adding versatility to griffiths with forward and ruck roles in case that happens
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Griffs chf
Grimes full back
France chb
Astbury.or Chaplin 3rd back
If grimes has injury. We should be able to keep griffs forward. Rancee. Astbury. Chaplin.
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Coburg
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Coburg
Great Trolling Effort Here keep up the good work. One day you may be as good as the cucumber who is an emerging talent of the troll express. ;D
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I think you need to remember that in today's footy (i.e. heavy use of rotations) you have 7 backs not 6 (one on the bench). There is also quite often an extra man in defense. For these reasons you'll find all of Grimes, Chaplin, Rance and Griffiths playing down back.
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Rance on the third tall. Grimes full back and Chaplin Centre Half Back. Rance best suited to the backline.
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Rance will be in the back line where he has always been, not sure why this has even been raised. :huh
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I think you need to remember that in today's footy (i.e. heavy use of rotations) you have 7 backs not 6 (one on the bench). There is also quite often an extra man in defense. For these reasons you'll find all of Grimes, Chaplin, Rance and Griffiths playing down back.
Maric plays two kicks behind the play so in reality its almost eight man.
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Rance will be in the back line where he has always been, not sure why this has even been raised. :huh
Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about positions in the off season
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Rance will be in the back line where he has always been, not sure why this has even been raised. :huh
Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about positions in the off season
I'm just glad WAT hasn't posted " GO RANCE....great player hope he has a good year!". I swear he's posted that about every player bar Shed ;D
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Rance will be in the back line where he has always been, not sure why this has even been raised. :huh
I don't rate Rance as much as others do.....and I see a lot of potential in the Chaplin/Griff key position set-up. Grimes due to his ability to play small/tall has the edge over Rance as well IMO.
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CHB. Where he plays now, and plays damn well.
He's a much better/younger player than Chaplin. Put Rancey on the trade table and there would be plenty of interest, i reckon.
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GO RANCE....great player hope he has a good year!
For you CD!! ;)
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Missionary.
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wasted in the backline
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CHB. Where he plays now, and plays damn well.
He's a much better/younger player than Chaplin. Put Rancey on the trade table and there would be plenty of interest, i reckon.
He's an arse CHB I reckon. My mate found it easy to lose him in traffic. Took 13 marks on him FFS ;D Play Rancer deep in the backline. Has great closing speed which is very handy when playing on the hitup forwards who play close to goal. Can't believe you have slagged Chappy, Slick. Disgraceful form mate
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CHB. Where he plays now, and plays damn well.
He's a much better/younger player than Chaplin. Put Rancey on the trade table and there would be plenty of interest, i reckon.
He's an arse CHB I reckon. My mate found it easy to lose him in traffic. Took 13 marks on him FFS ;D Play Rancer deep in the backline. Has great closing speed which is very handy when playing on the hitup forwards who play close to goal. Can't believe you have slagged Chappy, Slick. Disgraceful form mate
Coach Poodle. Great to hear from you, babes. CHB vs. FB is much of a muchness for me these days. More about the opponents they line up on. All KPDs get beaten sometimes. As you know well, Shulzy is a good player. I think Tross wins more than he loses, without a lot of help for the best part of last year. I wasnt slagging Chaps, I just really rate Tross. I'm not sure of your stance on either tho, thb. Havent been able to get on here much over summer so it's hard to keep up with your vendettas and sarcasm. :laugh:
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CHB. Where he plays now, and plays damn well.
He's a much better/younger player than Chaplin. Put Rancey on the trade table and there would be plenty of interest, i reckon.
He's an arse CHB I reckon. My mate found it easy to lose him in traffic. Took 13 marks on him FFS ;D Play Rancer deep in the backline. Has great closing speed which is very handy when playing on the hitup forwards who play close to goal. Can't believe you have slagged Chappy, Slick. Disgraceful form mate
Coach Poodle. Great to hear from you, babes. CHB vs. FB is much of a muchness for me these days. More about the opponents they line up on. All KPDs get beaten sometimes. As you know well, Shulzy is a good player. I think Tross wins more than he loses, without a lot of help for the best part of last year. I wasnt slagging Chaps, I just really rate Tross. I'm not sure of your stance on either tho, thb. Havent been able to get on here much over summer so it's hard to keep up with your vendettas and sarcasm. :laugh:
He doesn't rate either and has been posting essays without punctuation on why the club should have got merrett and jake carlisle in every thread
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I don't even know who Jake Carlilse is :lol
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:lol me neither, another north melbong invisible man
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Our best backman currently. Will probably play CHB now that Chaplin will play on the monsters. His best position is closer to goal but has the leg speed to move the ball forward quickly. Not elite by foot but can get it out to space and players like Grigg, Morris etc in particular. He won't be moved out of the backline. If anyone out of the players mentioned need to Griffiths is the obvious choice to go forward.
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Our best backman? Not a chance.
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Good chance.
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I didn't agree with Dimma putting McG in the forward line as he was our best defender for a number of years.
But, reckon Grimsey has overtaken Rancer and is now our best defender. Steven Morro goes alright too.
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Grimes wouldnt look half as good without rancher there helping.
Can't compare Morris. Apples and oranges.
McG has always been woeful. Can't be a defender. Liability. At least we he buggers up as a forward is isn't a direct goal.
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McG has always been woeful. Can't be a defender. Liability. At least we he buggers up as a forward is isn't a direct goal.
Disagree. Took a fair few scalps in his time down back. Held it down like a fortress
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Coburg
Great Trolling Effort Here keep up the good work. One day you may be as good as the cucumber who is an emerging talent of the troll express. ;D
You think I'm joking Ramps. I'm not. Rance may very well be the most over rated over hyped player in our side at the moment, he is probably our third best back if that. I'm not saying he can't get better, but he certainly isn't what people think he is at this minute.
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Coburg
Great Trolling Effort Here keep up the good work. One day you may be as good as the cucumber who is an emerging talent of the troll express. ;D
You think I'm joking Ramps. I'm not. Rance may very well be the most over rated over hyped player in our side at the moment, he is probably our third best back if that. I'm not saying he can't get better, but he certainly isn't what people think he is at this minute.
If Rance (and others) were as good as some of our posters think then we'd be sitting pretty in the top 4 at the moment.
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If ranc was at Sydney or geelong. He would not look out of place.
He's not much behind Ted Richard , tom lonergan.
Grimes has been lucky the team is not as poor as when alexrance debut
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I have watched a lot of replays of our 2012 games over the off season (yes - need a life my wife tells me) and Rance was rarely beaten and embarrassed a lot of forwards with his pace and strength. Grimes may overtake him but Rance does the hard work that allows Grimes the luxury on playing the weaker forward. Grimes' body is not reliable enough to make him a lock defender at present - he's more a developing/bonus type until he can prove otherwise.
Hopefully it will be Rance's turn to look even better with Chappy doing the hard body work on the monster forwards this year.
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Tiger Rance eyes the sky
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
7:14pm AEDT Tuesday, February 19, 2013
THE ONLY way is up for Richmond defender Alex Rance – and not just on the football field.
The 23-year-old backman is being taught to fly a light plane, along with teammate Dylan Grimes, by former North Melbourne and Geelong player Leigh Colbert.
Colbert, a qualified pilot who will soon relocate to Hong Kong to start a commercial pilot's role with Cathay Pacific, has been taking the pair of young Tigers in the sky for the past two months.
Rance loves it after initially dabbling with a carpentry apprenticeship.
"I loved the end process [of carpentry] but it wasn't as fun as flying around," Rance told AFL.com.au.
"It's very cool. Leigh has been a fantastic teacher and it's a nice rush.
"I don't think about footy or anything else when I'm flying. It's awesome."
Rance and Grimes try to dedicate at least one day a week to their new hobby, and make sure they're both on top of the theory required to get a light plane off the ground in their down time.
They fly for hour-long stints after renting a five-seat Cessna and are on par with one another with training and knowledge.
"Right now, it's mainly about getting the technical aspects down so it's about turning, keeping the plane level. We've done a few landings and that sort of stuff," Rance said.
"It's getting a little bit more intense now, taking off, landing, doing the calls."
Rance, who married partner Georgia in Cottesloe, Perth, on December 22 last year, isn't yet contemplating the end of his football career.
However, he does like to think he'll be ready to move into the airline industry once he gets there.
With a commercial pilot requiring around 200 hours of flying experience before being considered by an airline, he knows he will likely have to fly smaller planes in remote areas to get the necessary qualifications post-footy.
But Rance calls it a "three or four-year project" after his playing career is over and remains excited about the possibilities ahead.
"I love traveling and exploring, so I think that's one of the main selling points for me," he said.
"I'm just working on my private licence at the minute and then next year I'll probably work on my commercial and after that we'll see what happens.
"I love it and hopefully by the end of my footy career, I'll have some sort of licence to be able to earn some money from it."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-19/eye-on-the-sky
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Wait till your career at the tiges is over first please Alex
(http://ludicrite.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/plane-crash_thumb.jpg?w=1028&h=602)
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Bit of a warrior
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can't kick and makes stupid decision.. goodbye rance hello Chaplin
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I assume you are joking? ARance.is unstoppable.
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Reckon he was our best today, would have lost without him.
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I assume you are joking? ARance.is unstoppable.
won't make it unstable can't kick makes stupid mistakes.. weak link in defence
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How many marks did he take?
Strong link in defense
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How many marks did he take?
Strong link in defense
Alex Rance 16 kicks 7 handballs 23 total disposals 11 marks
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and how many of his kicks went straight back to essendon
ffs stats mean poo
he takes a gutsy great mark then gives the ball back
he is a waste when he cant kick
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Rance was BOG. Sure his kicking can be iffy at times if he's uncertain what to do which is becoming rarer as he matures and plays to his strengths and plays within his limitations. However today he was a rock of Gilbraltar in defence with his high marking and he won plenty of footy which is what you need to do as a modern defender.
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Rance was BOG. Sure his kicking can be iffy at times if he's uncertain what to do which is becoming rarer as he matures and plays to his strengths and plays within his limitations. However today he was a rock of Gilbraltar in defence with his high marking and he won plenty of footy which is what you need to do as a modern defender.
x2 :thumbsup
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Will be twice the player with Grimes and Chappy in the side ;)
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Rance was BOG. Sure his kicking can be iffy at times if he's uncertain what to do which is becoming rarer as he matures and plays to his strengths and plays within his limitations. However today he was a rock of Gilbraltar in defence with his high marking and he won plenty of footy which is what you need to do as a modern defender.
x2 :thumbsup
x3 :thumbsup and i used to be a massive Rance critic.
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Rance was BOG. Sure his kicking can be iffy at times if he's uncertain what to do which is becoming rarer as he matures and plays to his strengths and plays within his limitations. However today he was a rock of Gilbraltar in defence with his high marking and he won plenty of footy which is what you need to do as a modern defender.
x2 :thumbsup
x3 :thumbsup and i used to be a massive Rance critic.
Me too GR12. Kid could always find the footy but he'd have 15-20 stats with 5 short kicks and 15 handballs.
Has obviously worked on his kicking and whilst it will never be elite he is an important cog in our defence and yes as the TFT mentioned with Grimes and Chappy in the side will be better.
Memo his game on Buddy last season. :thumbsup
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he cost us 5 goals today not good enough
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he cost us 5 goals today not good enough
:fishing
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he cost us 5 goals today not good enough
And he saved twice that ;) was far from our worst player :thumbsup
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this is why we get no where we accept mediocrity as great
he is no good
full stop
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Rance was BOG. Sure his kicking can be iffy at times if he's uncertain what to do which is becoming rarer as he matures and plays to his strengths and plays within his limitations. However today he was a rock of Gilbraltar in defence with his high marking and he won plenty of footy which is what you need to do as a modern defender.
x2 :thumbsup
x3 :thumbsup and i used to be a massive Rance critic.
Me too GR12. Kid could always find the footy but he'd have 15-20 stats with 5 short kicks and 15 handballs.
Has obviously worked on his kicking and whilst it will never be elite he is an important cog in our defence and yes as the TFT mentioned with Grimes and Chappy in the side will be better.
Memo his game on Buddy last season. :thumbsup
When it comes to the Tigers, i am always glad to be wrong, Tucker.
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This guy... His reading of the play and ability to intercept is elite. His kicking is nowhere near as bad as people make out, I dont hold my breath everytime he kicks it. He is quick, agile and fearless, takes a strong mark and breaks lines coming out of defence, something not many key backs can do - the thing thats stopping him from becoming an elite Key Defender is sloppiness. In the 1st qtr he runs back to mop up the ball on defensive 50 15 metres clear, Its 2 on 1 to us, all he needs to do is 1) pick it up and run away if his team mate shephards or 2)play a 1-2 and we're off, instead he slips and the carlton player swoops. I dont think they got a goal from it but fmd.
Then another incident blues player goes down and he makes soft incidental contact in the back, completely unecessary as we had the mop up going. Again not sure if they scored from that but he did have a shot on goal. These are stupid, silly unecessary niggly unforced errors that give away cheap goals and give sides momentum. It happens every game unfortunately which is frustrating bc it brings his otherwise flawless performances down. All bias aside, if these acts ceased I think he could become one of the better key backs in the comp. Can this be cut out of his game or will it always be part of what he brings to the table?
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He is a dead set quiet acheiver is our Alex he is extremely vital to our september tilt imho
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Needs to keep his feet. Has poor balance. Someone should check his ears.
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He was excellent last night.
Already one of the best KPDs, i reckon.
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Great game just about BOG for mine
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Casboult is better than Petrie. Did play really well last night did the prancer :thumbsup
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Needs to keep his feet. Has poor balance. Someone should check his ears.
He's really improved no doubt about that but he's got to change his boots or something.
Slipping over at the most critical occassion is unexeptable. He has to address this.
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Needs to keep his feet. Has poor balance. Someone should check his ears.
He's really improved no doubt about that but he's got to change his boots or something.
Slipping over at the most critical occassion is unexeptable. He has to address this.
Griffiths should have come in and bumped his opponent. Rance slipped but if Griff had just blocked for him it would have been easier.
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Needs to keep his feet. Has poor balance. Someone should check his ears.
He's really improved no doubt about that but he's got to change his boots or something.
Slipping over at the most critical occassion is unexeptable. He has to address this.
Griffiths should have come in and bumped his opponent. Rance slipped but if Griff had just blocked for him it would have been easier.
Rance shouldn't have slipped over. He needs to fix this and he'll be an elite backman.
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rance is overrated fullstop
when grimes is fit rance is out
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rance is overrated fullstop
when grimes is fit rance is out
You are kidding, once Grimes is fit Rance is out. That's funny, very funny :lol
In a word NO
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his kicking needs to improve a tad
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Hi,
First time to site, long time supporter!
I believe that Ranceeeee, will only get better and better down back with Chaplin on board, I thought Batch was good too. They do need to look at their boots though even Jakey King slipped a number of times last night.
Anyway good start, just need to learn to keep the foot down.
Go Tiges!!!!
Golfprotiger
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his kicking needs to improve a tad
89.5 % disposal efficiency. No clangers recorded.
Think he's improved a lot.
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his kicking needs to improve a tad
Keep hearing this but haven't really seen any need
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He is one of the top key backs in the game, you better believe it :shh and was one of the few still going strong when the whips were crackin in the last q
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Son of Zeus.
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Needs to keep his feet. Has poor balance. Someone should check his ears.
He's really improved no doubt about that but he's got to change his boots or something.
Slipping over at the most critical occassion is unexeptable. He has to address this.
Griffiths should have come in and bumped his opponent. Rance slipped but if Griff had just blocked for him it would have been easier.
x 2. Was terrible support from Griff.
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Casboult is better than Petrie. Did play really well last night did the prancer :thumbsup
Been having too many coffees down Lygon St Coach?
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his kicking needs to improve a tad
89.5 % disposal efficiency. No clangers recorded.
Think he's improved a lot.
His kicking was great last night. Needs to keep it up on a weekly basis though. Would have thought face planting on the defensive 50 for your opponent to swoop on the ball would be a clanger. A funny moment but still a clanger. :lol
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Casboult is better than Petrie. Did play really well last night did the prancer :thumbsup
Been having too many coffees down Lygon St Coach?
;)
Anyone who towels up Casboult will be one of the best defenders in the comp. However, performances on players like Petrie & Schulzy do not matter.
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Casboult is better than Petrie. Did play really well last night did the prancer :thumbsup
Been having too many coffees down Lygon St Coach?
;)
Anyone who towels up Casboult will be one of the best defenders in the comp. However, performances on players like Petrie & Schulzy do not matter.
Hey don't bring Schulzy into this. How dare you mention him with Petrie and Casboult. :banghead I'd go as far to say Schulz has played more good games of AFL than Petrie. Petrie likes to tear us a new one and not much else. And Casboult has played 1 against Essendon which doesn't count because they are poo. :lol
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Big Drew usually picks on poo teams but he raped Rancer last year. Murdered him really. Isolate Rance with a gun forward and he struggles. Rance can play but I disagree with anyone who rates him as one of the best in the game (Bojangleburg)
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Casboult is better than Petrie. Did play really well last night did the prancer :thumbsup
Been having too many coffees down Lygon St Coach?
;)
Anyone who towels up Casboult will be one of the best defenders in the comp. However, performances on players like Petrie & Schulzy do not matter.
umm howzabout buddy franklin :shh...i know you were hoping I wouldnt say that :lol
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Big Drew usually picks on poo teams but he raped Rancer last year. Murdered him really. Isolate Rance with a gun forward and he struggles. Rance can play but I disagree with anyone who rates him as one of the best in the game (Bojangleburg)
IMO Petrie is the one KPF Rance can't stop. And though we improved last year let's be honest if we barracked for someone else we'd have been calling Richmond a poo team last year so no surprise Petrie picke on us. :lol
The day Petrie does something against a good team is the day Norf wins a final. Won't be holding my breathe because I may run out of air. :lol
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You can tell he's worked on his slipping over the summer.Is now an elite slipper.
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You can tell he's worked on his slipping over the summer.Is now an elite slipper.
Yeah moulded souled boots on wet and slippery turf can do that.
A few of our boys can relate to that from Thursday night.
As long as the boots look good though that's the main thing. ;D
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Regarding the bad Rance slip that cost us a goal - the main culprit in that play was Griffo who didn't protect his team mate at all. He should have kept the Carlton player at bay and Rance would have still had ample time to recover, instead of peeling off to receive before Rance even had possession.
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Regarding the bad Rance slip that cost us a goal - the main culprit in that play was Griffo who didn't protect his team mate at all. He should have kept the Carlton player at bay and Rance would have still had ample time to recover, instead of peeling off to receive before Rance even had possession.
:clapping :clapping
Correct
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Casboult is better than Petrie. Did play really well last night did the prancer :thumbsup
Been having too many coffees down Lygon St Coach?
;)
Anyone who towels up Casboult will be one of the best defenders in the comp. However, performances on players like Petrie & Schulzy do not matter.
umm howzabout buddy franklin :shh...i know you were hoping I wouldnt say that :lol
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Hawthorn lost to us by 11 goals last year but Franklin still had 20 and kicked 1.3 and played a big hand in some of their only goals for the day. Easily beat his opponent in the extremely wet conditions. The year before he kicked 5.2 from 22 disposals. Really not sure what you're on about here pal
Big Drew usually picks on poo teams but he raped Rancer last year. Murdered him really. Isolate Rance with a gun forward and he struggles. Rance can play but I disagree with anyone who rates him as one of the best in the game (Bojangleburg)
IMO Petrie is the one KPF Rance can't stop. And though we improved last year let's be honest if we barracked for someone else we'd have been calling Richmond a poo team last year so no surprise Petrie picke on us. :lol
The day Petrie does something against a good team is the day Norf wins a final. Won't be holding my breathe because I may run out of air. :lol
There's definitely more than one the prancer can't stop. Agreed on Petrie though
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Regarding the bad Rance slip that cost us a goal - the main culprit in that play was Griffo who didn't protect his team mate at all. He should have kept the Carlton player at bay and Rance would have still had ample time to recover, instead of peeling off to receive before Rance even had possession.
Geez Griff even getting blamed for Rance slipping. Rance was 25m in the clear. Griff had every right to spread and give an option
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
I think it shows people don't have a clue when they try to twist words and fail to comprehend what has actually been written. You are one of those people. Perhaps you have a small brain.
I rate Rance. I think the others who talked about him slipping over would rate him as well. One of the best defenders in the AFL? I think not. If anyone thinks that "it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple" ;)
Rance is a good player but he has been beaten easily in the past by very good forwards. Not his fault, he's just not as good as those players no matter what way you and Bojangles want to spin it. That's why we need Grimes back in the side to help out when we come up against good clubs. Rance improving? Yes. Rance a good player? Yes. Rance one of the best defenders in the game? Not on your stuffing life :lol
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Of course he s one of the best young defenders in the game , name one same age or younger that better, this will be good, im going for some popcorn :lol
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Of course he s one of the best young defenders in the game , name one same age or younger that better, this will be good, im going for some popcorn :lol
Who said he wasn't one of the best young defenders in the game? He is. Earlier you said he was as good as Ben Rutten, Brian Lake, Darren Glass, Ted Richards etc which is nonsense. You didn't say anything about him being one of the best young defenders, you said should he should have been All-Australian and that he was one of the best defenders in the game. Young or not, you made those comments
Don't catch coward bro. Own up to your mistakes
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
I think it shows people don't have a clue when they try to twist words and fail to comprehend what has actually been written. You are one of those people. Perhaps you have a small brain.
I rate Rance. I think the others who talked about him slipping over would rate him as well. One of the best defenders in the AFL? I think not. If anyone thinks that "it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple" ;)
Rance is a good player but he has been beaten easily in the past by very good forwards. Not his fault, he's just not as good as those players no matter what way you and Bojangles want to spin it. That's why we need Grimes back in the side to help out when we come up against good clubs. Rance improving? Yes. Rance a good player? Yes. Rance one of the best defenders in the game? Not on your stuffing life :lol
Twisting words? Is that your way of having a bit each way? Been reading your crap about Rance since last season so don't change your tunes now. Let's face it, you are wrong and your not big enough to admit it. I hope it's that, or maybe it's you with the small brain. :thumbsup And just for the record, Rance was in the All Australian squad last year and was unlucky not to make it. Maybe the All Australian selectors, the RFC and most on here don't know as much as the 'coach' :lol
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The coach is omnipresent
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Of course he s one of the best young defenders in the game , name one same age or younger that better, this will be good, im going for some popcorn :lol
Who said he wasn't one of the best young defenders in the game? He is. Earlier you said he was as good as Ben Rutten, Brian Lake, Darren Glass, Ted Richards etc which is nonsense. You didn't say anything about him being one of the best young defenders, you said should he should have been All-Australian and that he was one of the best defenders in the game. Young or not, you made those comments
Don't catch coward bro. Own up to your mistakes
i didnt make any mistake h is one of the best defenders in the game and right now has most of those vets covered, seriously , you think lake is better than him :lol...heck while you re at it why not david dench or dunkley....get a grip coach you need to see the game more clearly he killed it thurs night
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Twisting words? Is that your way of having a bit each way? Been reading your crap about Rance since last season so don't change your tunes now. Let's face it, you are wrong and your not big enough to admit it. I hope it's that, or maybe it's you with the small brain. :thumbsup
What do you mean by "having a bit each way"? I've said I think Rance is a good player. But I disagree with anyone who rates him as one of the best defenders in the game. What crap did I write last season? Oh, that's right. You took offense to me talking about how Petrie beat him with ease when they isolated him with Rance. Did you also have a cry when Schulz took 13 marks and kicked 4 on your favourite player? And as I said before, it's not Rancey's fault. He's just not as good as those players. He's punching above his weight when playing on the best forward of some clubs. Read last seasons player of the year voting to see if I have anything against Rance
And just for the record, Rance was in the All Australian squad last year
No, he wasn't. He wasn't in the 22 or the squad of 40. It annoys me when people make things up to suit their argument. Just stick to the facts.
Maybe the All Australian selectors, the RFC and most on here don't know as much as the 'coach'
The AA selectors didn't select him so obviously they agree with my rating of him as a good player but not as good as Richards/Glass/Lake etc. The RFC? Well as far as I know they haven't talked him up as one of the best defenders in the comp so no problem there from me. And people on here? Well I don't know of many who rate him as high as you & BJ do. So what's the problem? I have criticised your man in the past and you have a problem with it? So what. I have said time and time again that he is a good player and will be a good 3rd tall for us. Not sure why there is such a problem when someone disagrees with the idea of a Richmond player being the next SOS because he's young & played some good footy.
I ain't wrong about anything. You can say I am wrong when Rance is an All-Australian B&F winner. But until then I maintain that he is a good player, nothing more. What is wrong with being good?
Of course he s one of the best young defenders in the game , name one same age or younger that better, this will be good, im going for some popcorn :lol
Who said he wasn't one of the best young defenders in the game? He is. Earlier you said he was as good as Ben Rutten, Brian Lake, Darren Glass, Ted Richards etc which is nonsense. You didn't say anything about him being one of the best young defenders, you said should he should have been All-Australian and that he was one of the best defenders in the game. Young or not, you made those comments
Don't catch coward bro. Own up to your mistakes
i didnt make any mistake h is one of the best defenders in the game and right now has most of those vets covered, seriously , you think lake is better than him :lol...heck while you re at it why not david dench or dunkley....get a grip coach you need to see the game more clearly he killed it thurs night
Lake killed it last year mate. Why do you think the runners up recruited him? I said he played really well on thursday. :huh :huh :huh Some of us can have a realistic view on things you know.
hey hey whoa whoa
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Lake killed it, is that why they used him up forward or was it he who jack gave a bath.... :lol...he was dead set ordinary last year....haw recruited him on a wing and a prayer
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Barely kicked a goal last year and apparently he played forward. Ok Bojangles, you're right. Lake has never played a good game and Hawthorn recruited him because they have no idea. Ok
whoa hey hey
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He was poo last year thats a fact :shh
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
Agree with you Big one
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Regarding the bad Rance slip that cost us a goal - the main culprit in that play was Griffo who didn't protect his team mate at all. He should have kept the Carlton player at bay and Rance would have still had ample time to recover, instead of peeling off to receive before Rance even had possession.
Geez Griff even getting blamed for Rance slipping. Rance was 25m in the clear. Griff had every right to spread and give an option
Bollocks!
Smokey is on the money. Griffiths watched his opponent run past past him to the contest when he should have sheparded. Not his fault rance slipped over, but if he done what he should have, rance would have had time to recover. Griffiths was in no
mans land, not only did he not shepard, he didnt spread into space either.
I near lost it over this incident. pee poor by griffiths in this case.
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Regarding the bad Rance slip that cost us a goal - the main culprit in that play was Griffo who didn't protect his team mate at all. He should have kept the Carlton player at bay and Rance would have still had ample time to recover, instead of peeling off to receive before Rance even had possession.
Geez Griff even getting blamed for Rance slipping. Rance was 25m in the clear. Griff had every right to spread and give an option
Bollocks!
Smokey is on the money. Griffiths watched his opponent run past past him to the contest when he should have sheparded. Not his fault rance slipped over, but if he done what he should have, rance would have had time to recover. Griffiths was in no
mans land, not only did he not shepard, he didnt spread into space either.
I near lost it over this incident. pee poor by griffiths in this case.
Flog
He was poo last year thats a fact :shh
Watch WB often do you? How do you find the time? Thought the big man would require your services or is it only Christmas time where the little blokes are helping him out
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:rollin
We need a floggn emoticon
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Regarding the bad Rance slip that cost us a goal - the main culprit in that play was Griffo who didn't protect his team mate at all. He should have kept the Carlton player at bay and Rance would have still had ample time to recover, instead of peeling off to receive before Rance even had possession.
:clapping :clapping
Correct
He's been watching Bryce Gibbs videos in the off season ;D
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Casboult is better than Petrie. Did play really well last night did the prancer :thumbsup
Been having too many coffees down Lygon St Coach?
;)
Anyone who towels up Casboult will be one of the best defenders in the comp. However, performances on players like Petrie & Schulzy do not matter.
umm howzabout buddy franklin :shh...i know you were hoping I wouldnt say that :lol
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Hawthorn lost to us by 11 goals last year but Franklin still had 20 and kicked 1.3 and played a big hand in some of their only goals for the day. Easily beat his opponent in the extremely wet conditions. The year before he kicked 5.2 from 22 disposals. Really not sure what you're on about here pal
Big Drew usually picks on poo teams but he raped Rancer last year. Murdered him really. Isolate Rance with a gun forward and he struggles. Rance can play but I disagree with anyone who rates him as one of the best in the game (Bojangleburg)
IMO Petrie is the one KPF Rance can't stop. And though we improved last year let's be honest if we barracked for someone else we'd have been calling Richmond a poo team last year so no surprise Petrie picke on us. :lol
The day Petrie does something against a good team is the day Norf wins a final. Won't be holding my breathe because I may run out of air. :lol
There's definitely more than one the prancer can't stop. Agreed on Petrie though
i just reviewed the stats and franklin had 18 possies same as rancer, facts are ya cant kick too many goals chasing cheap kicks on the wing :lol...i think rancer got the points that day partner, lock stock and two smokin barrells :shh
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Barely kicked a goal last year and apparently he played forward. Ok Bojangles, you're right. Lake has never played a good game and Hawthorn recruited him because they have no idea. Ok
whoa hey hey
He did spend a bit of time forward
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Rebound 50s
A. Rance 11 - #1 in the AFL
G. Birchall 8
N. Malceski 8
D. Merrett 8
B. Waters 7
One Percenters
R. Thompson 15
A. Otten 15
J. Trengove 13
A. Walker 9
A. Rance 9
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Can't believe this thread hasn't been bumped.......played great last night, tough as nails, should shut the knockers up for one more week. :whistle
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Can't believe this thread hasn't been bumped.......played great last night, tough as nails, should shut the knockers up for one more week. :whistle
X will be in shortly to tell us how poo he was and that he'll be out of the side in a few weeks once grimes is up to speed
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Can't believe this thread hasn't been bumped.......played great last night, tough as nails, should shut the knockers up for one more week. :whistle
X will be in shortly to tell us how poo he was and that he'll be out of the side in a few weeks once grimes is up to speed
:lol... :thumbsup
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Can't believe this thread hasn't been bumped.......played great last night, tough as nails, should shut the knockers up for one more week. :whistle
X will be in shortly to tell us how poo he was and that he'll be out of the side in a few weeks once grimes is up to speed
facts are he failed again last night
nick gave him a bath and not because he is an aerobic beast beut because rance is dumb and has no idea where to put his body
always caught out of postion
u guys see the one or two flashy things he does and think whao he is a gun, but u all fail to see hoe he effs up the simple things
im not talking about the ball that bounced over his head , thats was bad luck but too many times he fluffs the simple things and gets caught out
he will not be a premiership player for us under pressure he is no good and he is a shockingf decision maker
by yrs end griff and astbury will be ahead of him if grimes can stay fit
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if u guys think rance was good last night u are imbeciles
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Can't believe this thread hasn't been bumped.......played great last night, tough as nails, should shut the knockers up for one more week. :whistle
X will be in shortly to tell us how poo he was and that he'll be out of the side in a few weeks once grimes is up to speed
facts are he failed again last night
nick gave him a bath and not because he is an aerobic beast beut because rance is dumb and has no idea where to put his body
always caught out of postion
u guys see the one or two flashy things he does and think whao he is a gun, but u all fail to see hoe he effs up the simple things
im not talking about the ball that bounced over his head , thats was bad luck but too many times he fluffs the simple things and gets caught out
he will not be a premiership player for us under pressure he is no good and he is a shockingf decision maker
by yrs end griff and astbury will be ahead of him if grimes can stay fit
Have you been on crack for long.....watch the game again.
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Can't believe this thread hasn't been bumped.......played great last night, tough as nails, should shut the knockers up for one more week. :whistle
X will be in shortly to tell us how poo he was and that he'll be out of the side in a few weeks once grimes is up to speed
facts are he failed again last night
nick gave him a bath and not because he is an aerobic beast beut because rance is dumb and has no idea where to put his body
always caught out of postion
u guys see the one or two flashy things he does and think whao he is a gun, but u all fail to see hoe he effs up the simple things
im not talking about the ball that bounced over his head , thats was bad luck but too many times he fluffs the simple things and gets caught out
he will not be a premiership player for us under pressure he is no good and he is a shockingf decision maker
by yrs end griff and astbury will be ahead of him if grimes can stay fit
This is almost as good as last season when Foley played a blinder, got 35 touches and you had him as w.o.g ;D
ftr I dont think he's flashy, I think ppl remember his 1-2 benny hill moments each game and label him with it. He does a lot more good out there and think if he cut out those silly mistakes like slipping over and not keeping his feet, he'd be a gun. His kicking and decision making has improved heaps and isnt a concern for me anymore
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X are you sure you weren't watching a replay of the game in 2009? Rance was great. Had some excellent spoils and applied pressure all night.
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Can't believe this thread hasn't been bumped.......played great last night, tough as nails, should shut the knockers up for one more week. :whistle
X will be in shortly to tell us how poo he was and that he'll be out of the side in a few weeks once grimes is up to speed
facts are he failed again last night
nick gave him a bath and not because he is an aerobic beast beut because rance is dumb and has no idea where to put his body
always caught out of postion
u guys see the one or two flashy things he does and think whao he is a gun, but u all fail to see hoe he effs up the simple things
im not talking about the ball that bounced over his head , thats was bad luck but too many times he fluffs the simple things and gets caught out
he will not be a premiership player for us under pressure he is no good and he is a shockingf decision maker
by yrs end griff and astbury will be ahead of him if grimes can stay fit
Mate the kid is a gun.
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X are you sure you weren't watching a replay of the game in 2009? Rance was great. Had some excellent spoils and applied pressure all night.
Stephen Hawking just crossed the road to ask me if OER is a tunnel to an alternate reality after noticing that X was actually watching the same game, but different.
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
Couldn't disagree with you more...
If your a forward of Nicks athleticism and talent playing on the G and willing to run, your going to get some touches. Thought Rance played him pretty well making him lead up to the wings. Haven't watched the replay yet but from at the game Rance was a star. IMHO
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Watchin the replay. Rance played well. Nick would have kicked those goals on anyone. He got a couple of cheapies too. Rance made one or two mistakes. As did Cotch and Lids.
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
Couldn't disagree with you more...
If your a forward of Nicks athleticism and talent playing on the G and willing to run, your going to get some touches. Thought Rance played him pretty well making him lead up to the wings. Haven't watched the replay yet but from at the game Rance was a star. IMHO
I was at the game and agree about Nick, just thought Rance made the mistake of not playing him closer. Yes old Nick getting kicks up on the wings doesn't hurt us but if Rance had been closer, able to make the spoil we could have hurt them with a turnover.
Actually watching the replay now, looking at the things you speak of and the things I marked him harshly on ;D
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
Not what I've heard WP.
Thought good ol Nick loves a bit of touch/feel from the back men. ;D
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
wp u r getting soft cos u like him
rance was terrible full stop
all u folkss do u want to win a premiership or not ffs
mediocrity sexy gay looks and a tan dont make u a good player
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No need for name calling username just because people have different view to you
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i get called many things on here but i guess my skin is s wee bit tougher lol
sticks and stones how it goes
political correctness is destroying the world
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did Rance cut in on one your ladyboys in Thailand or something?
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did Rance cut in on one your ladyboys in Thailand or something?
na he was my lady boy in thailand lol
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:lol
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
wp u r getting soft cos u like him
rance was terrible full stop
all u folkss do u want to win a premiership or not ffs
mediocrity sexy gay looks and a tan dont make u a good player
LOL wtf!
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Homoerotic/phobic feelings aside..
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Its must be so confusing, does he want to bash him or make love to him or both lol
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
Fair call
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
wp u r getting soft cos u like him
rance was terrible full stop
all u folkss do u want to win a premiership or not ffs
mediocrity sexy gay looks and a tan dont make u a good player
LOL wtf!
hahaha i have a way with words
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Rance was on AFL Gameday this morning. They showed his twitter account giving Kingy stick for being short ;D.
They also showed a clip of him flying a light plane with Grimesy in the back seat.
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I am a huge Rance fan but last night wasn't a good one for him.
IMO He gave Nick Sookie Sookie too much of a head start on the lead. It seemed to me that Alex thought he'd be able to make up the start with his closing speed. Great in theory but old Nick can still use his big rump to gain an advantage in a marking contest. Just thought he should of played with a bit more touch/feel on his opponent, which is something old Nick has never liked
He wasn't terrible because he stuck to his task but he wasn't good either IMHO
wp u r getting soft cos u like him
rance was terrible full stop
all u folkss do u want to win a premiership or not ffs
mediocrity sexy gay looks and a tan dont make u a good player
LOL wtf!
hahaha i have a way with words
I swear I choked on my coffee lol
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I TOLD YOU SO
PATHETIC
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I TOLD YOU SO
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pathetic thread, honestly don't gloat because he has a bad day, where the stuff are you when he plays well, for the last 3 weeks.....!!!!
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Well done username well done :bow :bow :bow
You are my hero :clapping :clapping
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Nobody could have beaten Cloke, the way he was playing today.
Get your head out your ass.
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Well I was a big advocate of getting Cloke to Tigerland, if that had happened we would of won today.. :lol :lol :lol
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We need to turn Griffiths into a defender. I know he got beaten by Hampson in round1 but we need a 200cm defender in our team. Cloke was just too big and too tall for Rance.
Not sure why Chaplin didn't go onto him or even Grimes who plays tall.
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people who advocate griff and Elton coming into the senior team,must know that they will blitz tomorrow for the burgers because until now their form has been pedestrian.
Today we were simply outsmarted.our mids had plenty of the ball but the pies used it far better.the delivery to cloke was superb at times ..out in front and high where he could not be beaten
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We need to turn Griffiths into a defender. I know he got beaten by Hampson in round1 but we need a 200cm defender in our team. Cloke was just too big and too tall for Rance.
Not sure why Chaplin didn't go onto him or even Grimes who plays tall.
this is why i would like griffiths to come on as a defender, although i am starting to doubt he will.
while i dont agree he is as poor as X rams down out throat, he he is not good enough in the air, or strong enough on his feet to take the big no 1 forwards.
Chaplin did take cloke on occasions. today and did OK. we actually missed him when he went off
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I TOLD YOU SO
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pathetic thread, honestly don't gloat because he has a bad day, where the stuff are you when he plays well, for the last 3 weeks.....!!!!
rance has been panced every week this yr.. even last week
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because I was at the hospital today and didnt see the game can someone please tell me why when Cloke was pulling Rances shorts down, we didnt the coach move say Chaplin onto Cloke? Didnt we get Chaplin to play on the bigger forwards anyway?
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just accept it I am right
rance is lie weak link down back a.d. we will never be a contender while he is there
time to get serious at selection
Jackson tuck rance Morris are our weak links
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just accept it I am right
rance is lie weak link down back a.d. we will never be a contender while he is there
time to get serious at selection
Jackson tuck rance Morris are our weak links
I wont disagree with that and I would include Houli and Grigg as well because I have my doubts that they would be good players in finals teams but who would you bring in?
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because I was at the hospital today and didnt see the game can someone please tell me why when Cloke was pulling Rances shorts down, we didnt the coach move say Chaplin onto Cloke? Didnt we get Chaplin to play on the bigger forwards anyway?
the move was made but good late ... then soon after Chaplin eD ko'd and never came back so rance went back on cloke and close went back go the goal square and licked bus lips.....
grimes should have gone on him
Hardwick can be fos at times
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Leave out the personal insults ppl!
because I was at the hospital today and didnt see the game can someone please tell me why when Cloke was pulling Rances shorts down, we didnt the coach move say Chaplin onto Cloke? Didnt we get Chaplin to play on the bigger forwards anyway?
Chaplin hurt his calf early in the game but came back on. He then was concussed in the 3rd qtr from friendly fire. Hardwick admitted after the game that we ran out of options for Cloke.
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Houli and Grigg are down hill skiers
time go bring vlas in
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thanx for the explanation also agree that Grigg and Houli need to lift intensity alot. Vlastuin will get his first game next week.
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umad?
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also if Morris isn't dropped the mrp will bet him for 3 weeks
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Leave out the personal insults ppl!
because I was at the hospital today and didnt see the game can someone please tell me why when Cloke was pulling Rances shorts down, we didnt the coach move say Chaplin onto Cloke? Didnt we get Chaplin to play on the bigger forwards anyway?
Chaplin hurt his calf early in the game but came back on. He then was concussed in the 3rd qtr from friendly fire. Hardwick admitted after the game that we ran out of options for Cloke.
Hardwick is fos.. he could have put Grimes on close.
even switched mguane back to the backline
Hardwick could not stop the bleeding in the 3rd cos he is a shocking match day coach
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cmon X, Mcguane back to the backline?
Thats just a disaster waiting to happen.
all he'd do is make rance look good :rollin
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cmon X, Mcguane back to the backline?
Thats just a disaster waiting to happen.
all he'd do is make rance look good :rollin
that's how bad rance is... Mguane would have competed at least and not worry about working on his tan in the autumn sun
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Our One man midfeild made it hard for Cloke,I give him that much. ;)
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pathetic thread, honestly don't gloat because he has a bad day, where the stuff are you when he plays well, for the last 3 weeks.....!!!!
you have blinkers on if you think he played well for 3 weeks.
lets face it the exact same problems keep on coming up with rance but when people raise them they are ridiculed and ostracised. a blind man can see rances problems but i still get people talking him up as an A/A because he gets a bit of ball.
for a key defender it is totally unforgivable to regularly misjudge the ball in the air. to regularly get out bodied one on one, and to regularly get caught out of position.oh and regularly fall over in a contest. these things and more are the things that are regularly bought up. have argued he should never be allowed to play in the last line of defense because of them.
simply put he fails dismally in the primary function of a key defender.
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Yeah, let's focus on the player who had the task of stopping him and not acknowledge how most teams beat Cloke - with support from fellow backmen. Rance was horribly outmatched and should not have been the first choice for Cloke but he was hung out to dry by his team mates today and was only part of the reason Cloke tore us a new one.
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because I was at the hospital today and didnt see the game can someone please tell me why when Cloke was pulling Rances shorts down, we didnt the coach move say Chaplin onto Cloke? Didnt we get Chaplin to play on the bigger forwards anyway?
He did but after about 10 minutes Chaplin got a knock from Knights that put him out of the game. Rance went back to him and history repeated itself.
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'Escape goating' at its finest. Our midfield was cut to pieces and Cloke was the big beneficiary of this.
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The lack of support by fellow team mates was a disgrace today.
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claw understands... those of u who don't are muppets
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claw understands... those of u who don't are muppets
FFS get off your soap box, you have rambled on about Rance since the stuffing siren went!
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The WHOLE side played badly.
1. Always a step behind the pies
2. Didn't equal or better the pies intensity at any stage (brings about number 1)
3. Out classed everywhere.
Just on Rance. He has improved this year with the acquisition of Troy Chaplin, he appears more settled. The Pies isolated him today and he was monstered by Cloke. We can argue that he could have and should have done better and we would all be right but let us not forget the lack of intensity and pressure of the other 21 players on the Field today which really lead to our demise.
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Ranceeeee outclassed today! He has improved and will learn from this. Why didn't we have Griffo in the side today, to help out?????????
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Rance was horribly outmatched and should not have been the first choice for Cloke but he was hung out to dry by his team mates today and was only part of the reason Cloke tore us a new one.
Think you'll find that Rance was first choice today because he put his hand up for the gig, well that's what we got told pre-match ;D
Thought he started Ok but by late in the first you could see where it was heading. I will admit I was surprised that he lasted as long as he did, personally would have switched Grimes on him
But then we would have had no one to take their small forwards who cut us to ribbons to.
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we didn't have griff in the side today because in the games he played this year he looked as out of place as i would in a swimsuit competition.
I know i've said it before, but there comes a time in the contest when you have to concentrate on the ball and simply back yourself to beat your opponent.
Of bigger backmen seem to spend too much time concentrating on their opponent, who are actually watching the ball and positioning themselves appropriately, and thus find themselves out of position too often,
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we didn't have griff in the side today because in the games he played this year he looked as out of place as i would in a swimsuit competition.
I know i've said it before, but there comes a time in the contest when you have to concentrate on the ball and simply back yourself to beat your opponent.
Of bigger backmen seem to spend too much time concentrating on their opponent, who are actually watching the ball and positioning themselves appropriately, and thus find themselves out of position too often,
Would you be wearing a mankini ?
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Of bigger backmen seem to spend too much time concentrating on their opponent, who are actually watching the ball and positioning themselves appropriately, and thus find themselves out of position too often,
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Good call Al,
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we didn't have griff in the side today because in the games he played this year he looked as out of place as i would in a swimsuit competition.
I know i've said it before, but there comes a time in the contest when you have to concentrate on the ball and simply back yourself to beat your opponent.
Of bigger backmen seem to spend too much time concentrating on their opponent, who are actually watching the ball and positioning themselves appropriately, and thus find themselves out of position too often,
Would you be wearing a mankini ?
been there, done that. not a pretty sight.
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we didn't have griff in the side today because in the games he played this year he looked as out of place as i would in a swimsuit competition.
I know i've said it before, but there comes a time in the contest when you have to concentrate on the ball and simply back yourself to beat your opponent.
Of bigger backmen seem to spend too much time concentrating on their opponent, who are actually watching the ball and positioning themselves appropriately, and thus find themselves out of position too often,
Would you be wearing a mankini ?
been there, done that. not a pretty sight.
It was the stick of celery that tipped the scales.
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It's no secret Rance is one of my favorites but today he was well beaten. But playing in the AFL, that's going to happen from time to time. Even the really great backman get beaten at times. He has more runs on the board than most, so maybe we might just keep him for now. :cheers
But is it just me or is Dimma to pigheaded to make a move? It's like he does his match ups during the week and that's all that goes. He has done it time and time again.
Rance was well beaten today but so was Hardwick IMO
One last thing, now I was at the game today and haven't seen the replay but it looked to me that the coaching panel (Hardwick) did sweet FA to stop their run in the third quarter.. Good sides and coaches don't let that happen.. Same thing happened in the same game in the same quarter last year. Just saying!
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we didn't have griff in the side today because in the games he played this year he looked as out of place as i would in a swimsuit competition.
I know i've said it before, but there comes a time in the contest when you have to concentrate on the ball and simply back yourself to beat your opponent.
Of bigger backmen seem to spend too much time concentrating on their opponent, who are actually watching the ball and positioning themselves appropriately, and thus find themselves out of position too often,
Griff has played only one game in the seniors. I thought he was stiff to be dropped too. If you drop him for being towelled up then Rance should be dropped too!
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one or two?
anyway that is splitting hairs, and it is hard to argue against your point.
Bottom line is that neither can take the big quality forwards. Rance i dont think ever will capable of that, and griffiths just cant ATM.
I for one like the idea of griffiths holding down a key back postion, but he just looked so far out of his depth this year ...... seems to have gone backwards. perhaps it is the coaching?
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one or two?
anyway that is splitting hairs, and it is hard to argue against your point.
Bottom line is that neither can take the big quality forwards. Rance i dont think ever will capable of that, and griffiths just cant ATM.
I for one like the idea of griffiths holding down a key back postion, but he just looked so far out of his depth this year ...... seems to have gone backwards. perhaps it is the coaching?
To split hairs it was only one. You really sink someone's confidence when you drop a guy after one game. He had the most 1%s in that game too!
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if dropping a bloke back to the seconds sinks his confidence then he doesnt have the fortitude to take you where you want to go.
as i said, i want him to succeed as a backman, but he just has looked out of his depth this year in the games i have seen( pre season game included) , which is opposite to what i saw last year. he may not have set the world on fire, but at least he looked comfortable.
sometimes young players need to go down a level because their confidence is already shot?
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if dropping a bloke back to the seconds sinks his confidence then he doesnt have the fortitude to take you where you want to go.
as i said, i want him to succeed as a backman, but he just has looked out of his depth this year in the games i have seen( pre season game included) , which is opposite to what i saw last year. he may not have set the world on fire, but at least he looked comfortable.
sometimes young players need to go down a level because their confidence is already shot?
He is not playing at coburg tomorrow. ? Injured?
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Geez, i hope not :banghead
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Keep playing him. The wheel will turn.
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geez the way the ball was coming into their forward
didn't help the bloke.
as the coach explained it started further up the ground.
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Issue Rance has is that against Cloke he couldn't reach the ball. Terrible match-up but by sounds of what WP said he's the one who asked for it.
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lets keep making excuses for rance to protect him and bus breath AS QUALITIES LOL
LETS BET REAL BE is NOT GOOD ENOUGH
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would of thought Grimes would have been first option on Cloke
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would of thought Grimes would have been first option on Cloke
any good coach would have too
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lets keep making excuses for rance to protect him and bus breath AS QUALITIES LOL
LETS BET REAL BE is NOT GOOD ENOUGH
You are 10 times worse regarding your thoughts on Rance and this club than I ever was about Edwards....
LETS BE REAL, HE WILL BE IN NEXT WEEK, HARDWICK HAS ALREADY SAID RANCE WILL BOUNCE BACK!!!!
We all know what you think, thanks, now leave it alone!!!!
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The things I have noticed this year regarding Rance is that his positioning hasn't been the best.He 's caught sometimes to far behind his man and not close enough.The other issue to is that he try's to punchthe ball and gets no way near it.
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There are not many backman that can stop Cloke when the teams midfield is getting pumped, like our whole team Rance was really only pumped in the third.
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grimes is not big or strong enough to stop cloke.
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Should have double teamed Cloke. Need to play in front of cloke. Cloke will beat you everytime if caught behind but totally agree if there is no pressure on the delivery he will always have a field day
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not so much on rance. i thought we bought chaplin to the club because of his size and thus his ability to play on the bigger players at 195/100 chaplin was the best fit physically to play on the 196/108kg cloke.
im all for getting chaplin but i think his role has to be against the bigger players other wise i dont really see the point in chasing him. his kicking and decision making coming out is very suspect its the thing most port supporters lamented with him.so i want to see him man up against the bigger forwards and become a pure defender he certainly has the attributes to perform that role.from what ive seen of him hes reliable in the air and decent one on one.
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i dont think he played that role at Port though and i cant recall the club saying that is why they recuited, only for his experience. He seems to specialise in floating accross the back line to help out teammates and take intercept marks.
I agree though, that he should be able to take the big forwards. he did ok on cloke for the short periods he was on him yesterday, and as the senior and most paid member of the backline he should step up to the plate.
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grimes is not big or strong enough to stop cloke.
And yet there is 1cm and 2 kegs between Grimes and Rance. Why not roll the dice?
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would of thought Grimes would have been first option on Cloke
Agreed, rancer needs to be played to his strengths so we get the benefit of his offensive game, he should have been last choice n cloke not bloomin first. With the luxury of three tall backs i cant believe we didn't get this right :banghead
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grimes is not big or strong enough to stop cloke.
And yet there is 1cm and 2 kegs between Grimes and Rance. Why not roll the dice?
rance isnt big and strong enough either.
give the job to chaplain.
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lets keep making excuses for rance to protect him and bus breath AS QUALITIES LOL
LETS BET REAL BE is NOT GOOD ENOUGH
not good enough for what :lol we just need to get the match ups right, heck I seem to recall scarlett made a careeer out of playing on the opponents biggest nuffy ea week. :shh Ever heard of adopting best practise, called playing to your strengths partner :wallywink
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Griffiths was required.
I know many are taking pleasure in Rance getting goals kicked on him but not many Backman going around would have stopped cloke. Given that delivery
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heck I seem to recall scarlett made a careeer out of playing on the opponents biggest nuffy ea week. :shh
What a load of crap.
You are confusing the majority of his career with what you can remember of the last couple of years.
What you are seeming to recall is bollocks
Scarlett was a champion and best defender in the game for YEARS
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SOS >
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would of thought Grimes would have been first option on Cloke
Agreed, rancer needs to be played to his strengths so we get the benefit of his offensive game, he should have been last choice n cloke not bloomin first. With the luxury of three tall backs i cant believe we didn't get this right :banghead
does not make sense in the least.grimes is just 88kg and would have been even more out of his depth than rance playing on cloke. the real option was to play a spare man back have rance play in front cloke and have grimes come over the top. that is if collingwood and buckley would allow this. we got lucky they normally play another tall forward what then.
i have to ask what are his strengths. he conceded more goals than any other player bar one last yr and id say hes well up in that stat this yr again. so defense is not his strong point.
do we want him rebounding with ball in hand. im not sure his decision making or foot skills especially under pressure are good enough to primarily play that role.
ya know what it has its advantages being 4k kilometres away from the club, you dont get the emotional attachment to players thus the need to defend them at all costs. i still cant believe there are some who think him A/A despite constants that say otherwise.
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SOS >
Prefer Scarlett. Could shut a man down and rack up 25+ when he wanted to for laughs.
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would of thought Grimes would have been first option on Cloke
Agreed, rancer needs to be played to his strengths so we get the benefit of his offensive game, he should have been last choice n cloke not bloomin first. With the luxury of three tall backs i cant believe we didn't get this right :banghead
does not make sense in the least.grimes is just 88kg and would have been even more out of his depth than rance playing on cloke. the real option was to play a spare man back have rance play in front cloke and have grimes come over the top. that is if collingwood and buckley would allow this. we got lucky they normally play another tall forward what then.
i have to ask what are his strengths. he conceded more goals than any other player bar one last yr and id say hes well up in that stat this yr again. so defense is not his strong point.
do we want him rebounding with ball in hand. im not sure his decision making or foot skills especially under pressure are good enough to primarily play that role.
ya know what it has its advantages being 4k kilometres away from the club, you dont get the emotional attachment to players thus the need to defend them at all costs. i still cant believe there are some who think him A/A despite constants that say otherwise.
We had a spare man back. Issue was it wasn't the right player IMO. Petterd should have had a man and Grimes plays loose. Rance should have played on Q-Stick up the ground as Rance can offer some drive off half back and run off big Q when needed. Chappy playing on Cloke with Grimes playing just off the contest going 3rd man up would have worked well.
Collingwood chose to play the loose man. Our bloke looked clueless about where to be. IMO Grimes and Batch would have known exactly what to do as natural defenders. Petterd would be better off using his aerial ability to chase and defend an opponent who can lead him to the footy. Someone like Fasolo.
I'll spew if I see Rance play deep back while Chappy plays further up the field. Swap them around and play to their strengths.
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would of thought Grimes would have been first option on Cloke
Agreed, rancer needs to be played to his strengths so we get the benefit of his offensive game, he should have been last choice n cloke not bloomin first. With the luxury of three tall backs i cant believe we didn't get this right :banghead
does not make sense in the least.grimes is just 88kg and would have been even more out of his depth than rance playing on cloke. the real option was to play a spare man back have rance play in front cloke and have grimes come over the top. that is if collingwood and buckley would allow this. we got lucky they normally play another tall forward what then.
i have to ask what are his strengths. he conceded more goals than any other player bar one last yr and id say hes well up in that stat this yr again. so defense is not his strong point.
do we want him rebounding with ball in hand. im not sure his decision making or foot skills especially under pressure are good enough to primarily play that role.
ya know what it has its advantages being 4k kilometres away from the club, you dont get the emotional attachment to players thus the need to defend them at all costs. i still cant believe there are some who think him A/A despite constants that say otherwise.
We had a spare man back. Issue was it wasn't the right player IMO. Petterd should have had a man and Grimes plays loose. Rance should have played on Q-Stick up the ground as Rance can offer some drive off half back and run off big Q when needed. Chappy playing on Cloke with Grimes playing just off the contest going 3rd man up would have worked well.
Collingwood chose to play the loose man. Our bloke looked clueless about where to be. IMO Grimes and Batch would have known exactly what to do as natural defenders. Petterd would be better off using his aerial ability to chase and defend an opponent who can lead him to the footy. Someone like Fasolo.
I'll spew if I see Rance play deep back while Chappy plays further up the field. Swap them around and play to their strengths.
pretty much go along with that. for sure we have to be smarter in how we use our players.
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SOS >
They barely over lapped. SOS retired in 2001 and Scarlett debuted in 1998.
Both superstars. But when Scarlett was at his best SOS was long retired
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
If Troy Chaplin isnt the answer then why did we recruit him?
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
If Troy Chaplin isnt the answer then why did we recruit him?
It wasn't a decision I agreed with
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SOS >
They barely over lapped. SOS retired in 2001 and Scarlett debuted in 1998.
Both superstars. But when Scarlett was at his best SOS was long retired
Sorry but who's SOS?
You will see a different man against Freo
Yeah cause Pav won't be playing :cheers
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just saw Rancer up at Vic Gardens with his mitts in a mighty
big bag of chips. :shh
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heck I seem to recall scarlett made a careeer out of playing on the opponents biggest nuffy ea week. :shh
What a load of crap.
You are confusing the majority of his career with what you can remember of the last couple of years.
What you are seeming to recall is bollocks
Scarlett was a champion and best defender in the game for YEARS
ar eyou sure about that or making it up as you go :shh...during thompsons era. Harley oft took the best forward allowing Scarlett to play on the nuffy and able to run off his opponent...rewind a few tapes partner or perhaps ask hawthorn fans just how many tiumes he played on buddy ::).
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
If Troy Chaplin isnt the answer then why did we recruit him?
for his experience and mature body is what i recall hearing from the club
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
If Troy Chaplin isnt the answer then why did we recruit him?
Port didnt want him and we needed to portray that we were active in free agency
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
If Troy Chaplin isnt the answer then why did we recruit him?
Port didnt want him and we needed to portray that we were active in free agency
so we just get players now just to show that we are doing something? ok :help
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
If Troy Chaplin isnt the answer then why did we recruit him?
Port didnt want him and we needed to portray that we were active in free agency
Dunno I was just making poo up to keep the thread going
so we just get players now just to show that we are doing something? ok :help
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Great commitment from this kid, he's a great lad to have around the club. However, we do need a bigger defender but Troy Chaplin probably isn't the answer. Rance & Grimer will continue to play on bigger bodies as it's our only option. Alex is better than what he dished up on Saturday. You will see a different man against Freo
If Troy Chaplin isnt the answer then why did we recruit him?
Port didnt want him and we needed to portray that we were active in free agency
so we just get players now just to show that we are doing something? ok :help
Dunno I was just making poo up to keep the thread going
:clapping :clapping :clapping
You can thank me later for fixing your crappy quoting skills
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stuff this piece of poo off
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had enough of rance
he is a continual stuff up and we cant ever improve with a idiot like him
I cant believe the club wanna extend his contract ffs
he is absolute rubbish
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Having another mayor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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had enough of rance
he is a continual stuff up and we cant ever improve with a idiot like him
I cant believe the club wanna extend his contract ffs
he is absolute rubbish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqgDoo_eZE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqgDoo_eZE)
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i think Rance and pettard are crap atm in the back half we are leaking badly through these 2... Alex will bounce back he has proven worthy the last few seasons just amounts to when imo :(
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We will NEVER be a great team if we have players who turn the football over from defence.
Horrible! No player in defence has ANY CONFIDENCE kicking out!
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rance should be stuffed off for good he is crap stuffing crap
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I TOLD YOU SO
AND YOU ALL RIDICULED ME
FU
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i think Rance and pettard are crap atm in the back half we are leaking badly through these 2... Alex will bounce back he has proven worthy the last few seasons just amounts to when imo :(
When he plays like today he is just ridiculously clumsy. He gives away freekicks unecessarily when we are one quick handball from being away, he spoils teammates when we have a 2 or 3 on 1. Just panicked wayyyyy too much tonight
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I TOLD YOU SO
AND YOU ALL RIDICULED ME
FU
why u mad brah?
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Agreed with you Tony 100 % i think Cloke made him lose confidence in his ability completely ... Going to need a shrink now
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He's been horrible
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Agreed with you Tony 100 % i think Cloke made him lose confidence in his ability completely ... Going to need a shrink now
Someone mentioned in another thread - looks like he's been mcguaned :lol
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Dismal
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next time goes to ground when someone breaths on him I think my testicles may explode
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His first half cost us a few goals.
Second half was better and more sure.
Can't take a chest mark to save himself atm.
Dropped a chest mark and cost us a goal from the ensuing play.
Gave away a silly free and an awful turnover.
Has totally lost the confidence in his ability he had last year.
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all my posts are getting deleted -LMAO
Willy- r u following me like a Narc?
hahaha
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all my posts are getting deleted -LMAO
Willy- r u following me like a Narc?
hahaha
Are you going through customs with a beagle at your heels Ox? :lol :rollin :lol
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Time for a spell at Coburg for me and get his confidence back.He is making basic errors.
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all my posts are getting deleted -LMAO
Willy- r u following me like a Narc?
hahaha
Are you going through customs with a beagle at your heels Ox? :lol :rollin :lol
i know that Beagle u speak of
When i was a pot head, it would ALWAYS come straight up to me and put its head between my nackers.
No sh1†
LMAO
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all my posts are getting deleted -LMAO
Willy- r u following me like a Narc?
hahaha
I'm in Perth Ox, haven't been near a computer all day
Not guilty sir ;D
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must be a ghost, lovey
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must be a ghost, lovey
:lol
But you have alerted to me to your use of a certain word that is banned on the forum Sir.
See you in 48 hours :thumbsup
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must be a ghost, lovey
:lol
But you have alerted to me to your use of a certain word that is banned on the forum Sir.
See you in 48 hours :thumbsup
don't blame Ox blame rance
he bad had 5 terrible games in a row now but I bet dimwit won't drop him
sick of Hardwick and his bs
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tom Hawkins is licking his lips
abletts record v us is under threat next week
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all my posts are getting deleted -LMAO
Willy- r u following me like a Narc?
hahaha
Are you going through customs with a beagle at your heels Ox? :lol :rollin :lol
:rollin
To his credit, fought out the game but no good atm
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I dont get what everyone is going on about. I thought he had a pretty good game.
Took some great marks in the defence, although he did chose to kick to a very dangerous spot which was a direct turnover. I don't think hes lacking confidence or anything.
Perhaps just his decision making is not at the level a key backman has to be at.
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Agreed with you Tony 100 % i think Cloke made him lose confidence in his ability completely ... Going to need a shrink now
Someone mentioned in another thread - looks like he's been mcguaned :lol
:lol
And that's as close to the reality as you can get!
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:lol
i always though mcguane had the balance of an upside down bowling pin, but the way rance goes to ground is frustrating.
someone used the word clumsy and i think that sums it up.
Is he too old to grow out of that?
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Been making the same mistakes for the past 4 years
Courage can get you so far.
Skills arent up to it.
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Here we go.......
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I dont get what everyone is going on about. I thought he had a pretty good game.
Took some great marks in the defence, although he did chose to kick to a very dangerous spot which was a direct turnover. I don't think hes lacking confidence or anything.
Perhaps just his decision making is not at the level a key backman has to be at.
reckon you confuse a good game with what he does well and what he does poorly. yep he took some good grabs but as usual mixed in with that is the falling over the missed spoils the poor decisions and average disposal very very ordinary imo.
imo our tall defenders should have had it easy and really dominated the game. bradley went off early and it left just a first gamer in hannath and the medium sized mayne yet they the defense struggled.
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Hannath = gun
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I think Rance is more worried about his My Kitchen Rules final tomorrow night
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/04D750E4-DC6C-48F5-8A24-746EDDA3681D-18133-00001E53DD724CA0_zps7e542e57.jpg)
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I think Rance is more worried about his My Kitchen Rules final tomorrow night
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/04D750E4-DC6C-48F5-8A24-746EDDA3681D-18133-00001E53DD724CA0_zps7e542e57.jpg)
:lol
Im amazed where people find this stuff.
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I think Rance is more worried about his My Kitchen Rules final tomorrow night
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/04D750E4-DC6C-48F5-8A24-746EDDA3681D-18133-00001E53DD724CA0_zps7e542e57.jpg)
I'd bang his sister
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I think Rance is more worried about his My Kitchen Rules final tomorrow night
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/04D750E4-DC6C-48F5-8A24-746EDDA3681D-18133-00001E53DD724CA0_zps7e542e57.jpg)
I'd bang his sister
Which one is the sister?
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I think Rance is more worried about his My Kitchen Rules final tomorrow night
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/04D750E4-DC6C-48F5-8A24-746EDDA3681D-18133-00001E53DD724CA0_zps7e542e57.jpg)
I laughed out loud with that one Spirit fingers.
Well done. :lol :lol
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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I think Rance is more worried about his My Kitchen Rules final tomorrow night
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/04D750E4-DC6C-48F5-8A24-746EDDA3681D-18133-00001E53DD724CA0_zps7e542e57.jpg)
I'd bang his sister
On the kitchen bench or on the kitchen table. Or both.
New show MKR. My Kitchen Rocks.
Huggable minge Gerks.
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:shh
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I just wished Griff was given as many chances to develop as Rance....
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I just wished Griff was given as many chances to develop as Rance....
If he stopped getting injured or could get a kick more than once a month he probably would have
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i watched griff like a hawk at yesterdays vfl game, he has a fair way to go Im afraid :o
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I just wished Griff was given as many chances to develop as Rance....
If he stopped getting injured or could get a kick more than once a month he probably would have
FFS Gerks, he's not a horse :banghead
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Still a massive concern for me Rance is.Has no confidence at all.His man looses him so easy,cant punch and so iffy when he get's the ball.
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Thought he gave Pods a bath TBH
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Thought he gave Pods a bath TBH
Did pods play?? :huh
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Great one on one with a suitable match-up, very good run and carry for his size, but when he gets the ball in his hands, there is a very good chance that he will turn it over.
If he is constantly receiving, decision making and disposing under pressure, he is a liability.
Good footballer, needs lots of support and someone running by for handball to be effective.
Needs to be played to his strengths.
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I thought he was okay on Saturday night. Not outstanding but not our worst either.
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I thought he was okay on Saturday night. Not outstanding but not our worst either.
Agree
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
I think it shows people don't have a clue when they try to twist words and fail to comprehend what has actually been written. You are one of those people. Perhaps you have a small brain.
I rate Rance. I think the others who talked about him slipping over would rate him as well. One of the best defenders in the AFL? I think not. If anyone thinks that "it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple" ;)
Rance is a good player but he has been beaten easily in the past by very good forwards. Not his fault, he's just not as good as those players no matter what way you and Bojangles want to spin it. That's why we need Grimes back in the side to help out when we come up against good clubs. Rance improving? Yes. Rance a good player? Yes. Rance one of the best defenders in the game? Not on your stuffing life :lol
Twisting words? Is that your way of having a bit each way? Been reading your crap about Rance since last season so don't change your tunes now. Let's face it, you are wrong and your not big enough to admit it. I hope it's that, or maybe it's you with the small brain. :thumbsup And just for the record, Rance was in the All Australian squad last year and was unlucky not to make it. Maybe the All Australian selectors, the RFC and most on here don't know as much as the 'coach' :lol
You reckon Rancer will make AA this year, big tone? He didn't last year and I doubt he will this season or any other for that matter. Now it seems "most on here" don't have a high opinion of the lad. As I have said many times, good solid player but not an AA defenders arse hole. That's the way she goes, boys. You should listen to me more often. You might learn something.
Where's Bengal? Still reckon I am super negative compared to some of the characters kicking about on here? Man there are some ferals lurking around these parts.
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
I think it shows people don't have a clue when they try to twist words and fail to comprehend what has actually been written. You are one of those people. Perhaps you have a small brain.
I rate Rance. I think the others who talked about him slipping over would rate him as well. One of the best defenders in the AFL? I think not. If anyone thinks that "it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple" ;)
Rance is a good player but he has been beaten easily in the past by very good forwards. Not his fault, he's just not as good as those players no matter what way you and Bojangles want to spin it. That's why we need Grimes back in the side to help out when we come up against good clubs. Rance improving? Yes. Rance a good player? Yes. Rance one of the best defenders in the game? Not on your stuffing life :lol
Twisting words? Is that your way of having a bit each way? Been reading your crap about Rance since last season so don't change your tunes now. Let's face it, you are wrong and your not big enough to admit it. I hope it's that, or maybe it's you with the small brain. :thumbsup And just for the record, Rance was in the All Australian squad last year and was unlucky not to make it. Maybe the All Australian selectors, the RFC and most on here don't know as much as the 'coach' :lol
Man there are some ferals lurking around these parts.
I'm telling Kochie :shh
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
I think it shows people don't have a clue when they try to twist words and fail to comprehend what has actually been written. You are one of those people. Perhaps you have a small brain.
I rate Rance. I think the others who talked about him slipping over would rate him as well. One of the best defenders in the AFL? I think not. If anyone thinks that "it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple" ;)
Rance is a good player but he has been beaten easily in the past by very good forwards. Not his fault, he's just not as good as those players no matter what way you and Bojangles want to spin it. That's why we need Grimes back in the side to help out when we come up against good clubs. Rance improving? Yes. Rance a good player? Yes. Rance one of the best defenders in the game? Not on your stuffing life :lol
Twisting words? Is that your way of having a bit each way? Been reading your crap about Rance since last season so don't change your tunes now. Let's face it, you are wrong and your not big enough to admit it. I hope it's that, or maybe it's you with the small brain. :thumbsup And just for the record, Rance was in the All Australian squad last year and was unlucky not to make it. Maybe the All Australian selectors, the RFC and most on here don't know as much as the 'coach' :lol
You reckon Rancer will make AA this year, big tone? He didn't last year and I doubt he will this season or any other for that matter. Now it seems "most on here" don't have a high opinion of the lad. As I have said many times, good solid player but not an AA defenders arse hole. That's the way she goes, boys. You should listen to me more often. You might learn something.
Where's Bengal? Still reckon I am super negative compared to some of the characters kicking about on here? Man there are some ferals lurking around these parts.
Struggling the last few weeks, that's for sure! Will back him in though. Great players go through form slumps at times. Even my goodself, haha!... ;) That's when you hope your teammates can help out a bit.
Has a few mates down though, Cotch, Lids, Jack... and pretty much everyone down there.
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id like a dollar for every time ive been abused on forums for daring to say he should never play deep. and abused for regularly saying the following. is poor in the air makes poor decisions and has poor skills and struggles one on one.
he was drafted in 07 and none of these things has ever truly improved enough. hmm yr 6 and very deficient in absolute key aspects of the game have to say it really is time to look for an alternative option in the key posts. we at the least need another option ready to go.
not saying delist but am saying its time to make him a depth player and its certainly time to give him an alternative role. no more playing deep please 6 yrs of the same mistakes has to be enough for all and sundry surely.
imo what keeps people on his band wagon is he will do all of the criticisms well at times. but invariably he does em poor numerous times as well for a defender the lack of consistency and the cost is just too much.
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rance is still no good and a list clogger
end of story
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id like a dollar for every time ive been abused on forums for daring to say he should never play deep. and abused for regularly saying the following. is poor in the air makes poor decisions and has poor skills and struggles one on one.
he was drafted in 07 and none of these things has ever truly improved enough. hmm yr 6 and very deficient in absolute key aspects of the game have to say it really is time to look for an alternative option in the key posts. we at the least need another option ready to go.
not saying delist but am saying its time to make him a depth player and its certainly time to give him an alternative role. no more playing deep please 6 yrs of the same mistakes has to be enough for all and sundry surely.
imo what keeps people on his band wagon is he will do all of the criticisms well at times. but invariably he does em poor numerous times as well for a defender the lack of consistency and the cost is just too much.
He should play CHB or HBF!
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Grimes fb
Alex France chb
Astbury or Chaplin or McIntosh 3rd key back
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IMO if you don't rate Rance it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple
He was very good Thursday night with his spoiling, tackling and rebounding but all some nuffys want to bring up is a couple of times he lost his footing. Get a clue!
Even worse is when flogs bring up stupid stats from games from last year to try and prove their point. Laughable....
I think it shows people don't have a clue when they try to twist words and fail to comprehend what has actually been written. You are one of those people. Perhaps you have a small brain.
I rate Rance. I think the others who talked about him slipping over would rate him as well. One of the best defenders in the AFL? I think not. If anyone thinks that "it just shows you don't know much about the game... Simple" ;)
Rance is a good player but he has been beaten easily in the past by very good forwards. Not his fault, he's just not as good as those players no matter what way you and Bojangles want to spin it. That's why we need Grimes back in the side to help out when we come up against good clubs. Rance improving? Yes. Rance a good player? Yes. Rance one of the best defenders in the game? Not on your stuffing life :lol
Twisting words? Is that your way of having a bit each way? Been reading your crap about Rance since last season so don't change your tunes now. Let's face it, you are wrong and your not big enough to admit it. I hope it's that, or maybe it's you with the small brain. :thumbsup And just for the record, Rance was in the All Australian squad last year and was unlucky not to make it. Maybe the All Australian selectors, the RFC and most on here don't know as much as the 'coach' :lol
You reckon Rancer will make AA this year, big tone? He didn't last year and I doubt he will this season or any other for that matter. Now it seems "most on here" don't have a high opinion of the lad. As I have said many times, good solid player but not an AA defenders arse hole. That's the way she goes, boys. You should listen to me more often. You might learn something.
Where's Bengal? Still reckon I am super negative compared to some of the characters kicking about on here? Man there are some ferals lurking around these parts.
Struggling the last few weeks, that's for sure! Will back him in though. Great players go through form slumps at times. Even my goodself, haha!... ;) That's when you hope your teammates can help out a bit.
Has a few mates down though, Cotch, Lids, Jack... and pretty much everyone down there.
No doubt. We need a lot of blokes to step up. Reckon Rance will do a good job on the Sarge this week.
Sarge is playing injured ;D
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run him over
shoot him
just get him out of this team ffs
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20+ @ 90+
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20+ @ 90+
who cares,how many touches he gets and his disposal was poor.. stays lie
and if shulz kicked straight he would have kicked 6 on prance
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who cares,how many touches he gets and his disposal was poor.. stays lie
and if shulz kicked straight he would have kicked 6 on prance
3 Goals 1 behind. I want some of the drugs you're on.
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:lol
nah, i want happy drugs, not downers.
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Hahahaha some people on here make me laugh. :lol :rollin :lol
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I thought Schulz's good goal kicking was the only thing that kept him from being totally dominated by Rance
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run him over
shoot him
just get him out of this team ffs
Geez you didn't watch the game did you. :lol
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:shh
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Great game from Rance, anyone feel foolish?
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Great game from Rance, anyone feel foolish?
Been great tonight. :thumbsup
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Great game from Rance, anyone feel foolish?
Been great tonight. :thumbsup
Always tries his guts out and is only getting better!!!!!!
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shocking. first Qtr but was very good after that
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If Username said he played well then you know he had a ripper :bow
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Great game, he also took some marks :o
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If Username said he played well then you know he had a ripper :bow
:lol :rollin :lol
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;D on ya X, now give us the quinella and tell us Foley was good too
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I thought he was close to BOG. Excellent game.
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I thought he was close to BOG. Excellent game.
Yeah both Rancey and Chappy did well.
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BOG for mine.
Was good last week too.
Back to form is Rancey after his strange run-in with Ol' Creepey McCreep. :thumbsup
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shocking. first Qtr but was very good after that
This is a 100% spot on
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I already said Foley played his next game ever
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I already said Foley played his next game ever
Played his next game ever.
Quite a feat that.
You on the sauce already?
:cheers
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I already said Foley played his next game ever
Did you see State of Origin game? :shh
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shocking. first Qtr but was very good after that
So I can safely assume that Rance must have been good overall. Good to hear. I think for now we have to give Rance the benefit of the doubt in particular because he seems to have had some issues to deal with over the last year. Hopefully he can now concentrate fully on his footy.
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Great game from Rance, anyone feel foolish?
Nope, I'm a Rance fan though so no reason to feel foolish. Thanks for asking. :lol
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WCE fans wanted to trade for him. Hands off sandgropers
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shocking. first Qtr but was very good after that
So I can safely assume that Rance must have been good overall. Good to hear. I think for now we have to give Rance the benefit of the doubt in particular because he seems to have had some issues to deal with over the last year. Hopefully he can now concentrate fully on his footy.
I thought Rance's first qtr was poor. Gave "fred & Ginger" kennedy to much sapce on the lead. Fortunately for us "fred & ginger" was off target because the "soft shoe shuffle combined with the charleston" is now more of a hinderance than a help ;D
Having said once Rance stopped giving "fred & ginger" the 5-10 metre start on the lead he shut him down really well and then he started to run off Kennedy and became on of the creators off the back half
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Rance was very good.......wasn't he username, where are you mate??
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Rance was very good.......wasn't he username, where are you mate??
I already said he played a poor first qtr but was very good after that
took him 37 quarters of footy this yr to finally play 3 decent ones
but that pleases you as anything rance does
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:lol
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Snip
Stick to the topic without the childish and crude insults
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Rance was very good.......wasn't he username, where are you mate??
I already said he played a poor first qtr but was very good after that
took him 37 quarters of footy this yr to finally play 3 decent ones
but that pleases you as anything rance does
What a load of cod whallop.
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VIDEO: Alex Rance interviewed after the win ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-16/round-12-rance-post-match
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5th in AFL
One 1%s
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it's the other 99% that's a worry :shh
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oh dear we still have the same old debate going on.
nothing has changed with rance and its not likely to. the quicker we get a player like james frawley and pee him off the better.
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oh dear claw...yep nothing has changed
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rance is still and always will be our weak link
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Rance seems much more settled now that the stalker issue has been dealt with by the courts.
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All the Rance critics :
What AFL Key Defenders are superior to Alex Rance that are
a) the same age
b) younger
c) not Dylan Grimes or Frawley
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All the Rance haters -
What AFL Key Defenders are superior to Alex Rance that are
a) the same age
b) younger
c) not Dylan Grimes or Frawley
I'm not a hater but Jake Carlisle says hello!
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Eric McKenzie
(I have no idea who he is but that's what the gurus say)
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Jake Carlisle
Fair enough, that is one.
Rance would be unbelievable if he were on the performance enhancing drugs, too.
Eric McKenzie
Ive not seen enough to make a definitive analysis but I have grave doubts he is a superior footballer to Rance.
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Tross man is back in form and playing good footy. Still makes the odd blue but so does nearly everyone in our team, including Cotch.
More than makes up for it with intercept marks and desperate goal-saving acts. Consistently plays above his size and would take a bullet for his team mates.
5th in the afl for one %s speaks for itself.
Stuff the haters.
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Tross man is back in form and playing good footy. Still makes the odd blue but so does nearly everyone in our team, including Cotch.
More than makes up for it with intercept marks and desperate goal-saving acts. Consistently plays above his size and would take a bullet for his team mates.
5th in the afl for one %s speaks for itself.
Stuff the haters.
Well said Willy B
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Eric McKenzie
(I have no idea who he is but that's what the gurus say)
He's the bloke fromt he Eagles that Jack kicked 10 against a few years back ;D
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Eric McKenzie
(I have no idea who he is but that's what the gurus say)
He's the bloke fromt he Eagles that Jack kicked 10 against a few years back ;D
Beautifully done WP :clapping ;)
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Had McKenzie finished primary school at that stage? And I think you'll find more than one player stood Jack in that game
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one for me :fishing one for WP :fishing
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Ok.
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Will Schofield played predominantly on Jack that day, I remember it clear as a bell.
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Will Schofield played predominantly on Jack that day, I remember it clear as a bell.
Why post the truth?
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Did he have a beard?
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Did he have a beard?
usually but not that time
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rance has a beard
was eric mckenzie the guy that got knocked out by a football?
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Will Schofield played predominantly on Jack that day, I remember it clear as a bell.
By predominantly I presume you mean after quarter time which is 3/4 of the game so you're correct. But...
That was after Jack kicked 5 on Eric in the first. :lol
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I'm pretty sure as soon as Mitch Brown was poked in the eye by Aaron Edwards, during round 10, Eric MacKenzie started to play like a pre-pubescent school girl.
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Will Schofield played predominantly on Jack that day, I remember it clear as a bell.
That was after Jack kicked 5 on Eric in the first. :lol
I'm pretty sure as soon as Mitch Brown was poked in the eye by Aaron Edwards, during round 10, Eric MacKenzie started to play like a pre-pubescent school girl.
Why post the truth?
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Will Schofield played predominantly on Jack that day, I remember it clear as a bell.
That was after Jack kicked 5 on Eric in the first. :lol
I'm pretty sure as soon as Mitch Brown was poked in the eye by Aaron Edwards, during round 10, Eric MacKenzie started to play like a pre-pubescent school girl.
Why post the truth?
One for me :fishing And one for TFT :fishing
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:lol
I'd take McKenzie at FB in our side. But he had a shocker that 1st quarter of 2010. Might have gone partying with Benny Cuz the night before. 8)
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Boys on austar just mentioned eagles chasing Alex. Would he go and if so what would he be worth?
Start with gaff and move up from there.
Wouldn't want to lose him though. He is a gun and getting better all the time
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Start with Gaff? **** off :lol
Start with Shuey or their first round pick
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Might be a poo kick and gets beaten from time to time, but would be a massive loss as quality talls are rare as buggery.
Considering he isn't a FA and would require a trade reckon we could get a pretty decent deal if that were the case.
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Can't see any of the Richmond boys going anywhere.
Over the passed 20 years even though we haven't had much success, player retention has always been pretty high.
Playing on the MCG, in front of big crowds. If we were ever going to lose good players it would have been when we were unsuccessful.
Only players who will want to leave are fringe players who aren't getting a game. Rance is not one of those.
Only reason why Rance would want to go is home factor and if he could get a huge $$ packet over there. Other than that can't see him leaving.
We hold all the cards
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Retention has been high because richmond players got paid like superstars for being a pea hearted duds
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No to Puey of Naff. Our midfield is set. We need quality KPPs. Put up the sex Panther, Darling or Kennedy then maybe we'l talk.
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No to Puey of Naff. Our midfield is set. We need quality KPPs. Put up the sex Panther, Darling or Kennedy then maybe we'l talk.
X 2
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With some old players on their list WC will be shopping, rancer would command first round pick, thats where we picked him and his performances since have only underlined it further, still keen WC ::)...Pears or gumby more likely
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Start with Gaff? **** off :lol
Start with Shuey or their first round pick
Or?
Rancee. Is a first round pick and we put a number of years into him.
Would want top 5 pick.
Or
Nic Nat
Or
Wce can GAGF
One of the best kpd about to hit his prime.
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Start with Gaff? **** off :lol
Start with Shuey or their first round pick
Or?
Rancee. Is a first year pick and we put a number of years into him.
Would want top 5 pick.
One of the best kpd about to hit his prime.
We better start deleting some posts off here then
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Retention has been high because richmond players got paid like superstars for being a pea hearted duds
:rollin
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Start with Gaff? **** off :lol
Start with Shuey or their first round pick
Or?
Rancee. Is a first year pick and we put a number of years into him.
Would want top 5 pick.
One of the best kpd about to hit his prime.
We better start deleting some posts off here then
:lol
Won't leave.
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Trade rance for a show bag and add Foley to the trade
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Trade rance for a show bag and add Foley to the trade
Trade everyone and fold.
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Trade rance for a show bag and add Foley to the trade
Trade everyone and fold.
no just the tossers like rance and foley
:wallywink
delist the nahas types as they are worth zilch
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why are rance and foley tossers?
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coz rance told him he wasnt his type and foley wasnt interested in experimenting
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they have a surplus in tall forwards and ruckmen who cant get a game in front of naitanui cox and darling kennedy etc.
they nearly lost mitch brown last yr and are likely to lose him this yr as hes out of contract. i have no doubt the eagles would be sniffing around for a key defender.
scott lycett and jeremy mcgovern please or lyucett and their 2nd or 3rd round pick.
the plan of attack should be shop rance to the weagles, in doing so create lots of salary cap space and fix our ruck problem long term. with the extra cap space go hell for leather at james frawley.geez even ben rutten becomes a free agent hed be a great short term fix.
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why are rance and foley tossers?
I think we all know who the tosser is. :thumbsup
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The tigers have warehoused more talent than the playboy mansion, i expect a queue from punt rd to flinders st making enquires :shh
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Rance for twinkle toes imo
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Trade Rance LMFAO
The only developing KPD on the list that can 1) hold his own 2) stay on the park
Bunch off stuffing rod wranglers
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Trade Rance LMFAO
The only developing KPD on the list that can 1) hold his own 2) stay on the park
Bunch off stuffing rod wranglers
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Trade Rance LMFAO
The only developing KPD on the list that can 1) hold his own 2) stay on the park
Bunch off stuffing rod wranglers
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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yes trade rance and get a defender that does not stuff up under pressure and miss targets under no pressure
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yes trade rance and get a defender that does not stuff up under pressure and miss targets under no pressure
Get emac
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yes trade rance and get a defender that does not stuff up under pressure and miss targets under no pressure
So u reckon Rance is a spud but he'll get us a defender who does all that? Righttttiiiooo ::)
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Trade rance for a show bag and add Foley to the trade
You sound like a jilted ex-stalking fun boy :huh
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yes trade rance and get a defender that does not stuff up under pressure and miss targets under no pressure
Name some.
Who are these mythical kpd with perfect skill?
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Rance is a very good player and is a priority signing.
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Rance is a very good player and is a priority signing.
Correct. :clapping
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Rance is a very good player and is a priority signing.
Bang on the money.
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Two year deal for the big Tross Man :cheers
whoa, tigers locking away more talent than a swiss bank full of talent in talent town :shh
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Have fun with emac, woogles :clapping
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Help
Our only defender who chokes under pressure and leaks too many goals
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Rance remains a Tiger
By Jennifer Phelan
Exclusive to richmondfc.com.au
8:00am AEST Friday, June 28, 2013
Richmond has snapped up another key player, with defender Alex Rance extending his contract for another two years.
Rance, 23, has committed to staying at Tigerland until the end of the 2015 season.
"It's nice to be wanted," Rance told richmondfc.com.au.
"If I didn't pick up that, I'd probably be collecting garbage for someone, so it was nice to be wanted for another couple of years."
Last week Nick Vlastuin, Brandon Ellis, Chris Newman and Jake King all signed contract extensions while captain Trent Cotchin committed for two years earlier this season.
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-28/rance-remains-a-tiger
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Excellent
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Well lets hope he plays much better on st. Nick this time round and doesn't get torn a new one
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Great news!!! :thumbsup
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Signed up today for 2 years.
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I'd take McKenzie at FB in our side.
:nope
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Signed up today for 2 years.
Sauce?
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Signed up today for 2 years.
Sauce?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-28/another-tiger-signs-on
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Great signing!!
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Neat work tigers , with WC showing more than a passing nterest in a future replacement for glass..committed to the tigers instead :clapping
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Very good news. Chappy has given him the confidence to take his game to a new level.
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VIDEO: Rance talks about his new contract ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-28/rance-contract-extension
VIDEO: The best of Alex Rance ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-28/rance-signs-new-deal
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:clapping :clapping :clapping
Great news this, hey Username!!!!
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Only highlight in that video is seeing Post. Those were the days
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Not much said about Rance last night but I thought he was very, very good. Between him and Chaplin we dominated their tall forwards. Not only did they beat them in the air, they gave good rebound. What did everyone else think?
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gerks is a tross fan
he's a beast and he has a smart haircut
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Not much said about Rance last night but I thought he was very, very good. Between him and Chaplin we dominated their tall forwards. Not only did they beat them in the air, they gave good rebound. What did everyone else think?
Week in. Week out.
:shh
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gerks is a tross fan
Bit of ' me ' time there Gerks ;D
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gerks is a tross fan
he's a beast and he has a smart haircut
You can always trust a man with a smart haircut. Ever-reliable. Well once they shake the tag from their gay stalker. :shh
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Played his best game for the year against the saints
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Been good for a month now. Creepy Joe has stopped harassing him and the haters have been silenced.
Tross Man. :cheers
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I reckon he is an absolute star...plays tall and small equally well..
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I reckon he is an absolute star...plays tall and small equally well..
:clapping
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He's definitely improved since the stalker was put away, not just a coincidence.
Where do ppl rate him as a KPD compared to other KPD's in the game?
Off the top of my head:
Taylor
Lonergan
Carlisle
Richards
Merrett
Jamieson
Henderson
McPharlin
Mckenzie
Trengove
Talia
Thompson
Garland
Frawley
Reid
N.Brown
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He's definitely improved since the stalker was put away, not just a coincidence.
Where do ppl rate him as a KPD compared to other KPD's in the game?
Off the top of my head:
Taylor
Lonergan
Carlisle
Richards
Merrett
Jamieson
Henderson
McPharlin
Mckenzie
Trengove
Talia
Thompson
Garland
Frawley
Reid
N.Brown
That's a pretty good list of key backs and I recon he sits about in the middle just on name alone. Some he doesn't defend as well as (Frawley for example) but his rebound is probably more in the top 3 or 4 of that group. And if you have others who get across and are third man up (Chaplin) Than he becomes one of the best out of that very good group of defenders. He is very athletic and players both tall and small and is not scared to leave his man to help out his team mates and that in it's self is a pretty big bonus that puts him ahead of most others on that list. No secret that he is one of my favorites but I cannot fathem how other on here cannot see his value.... STAR!
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He's definitely improved since the stalker was put away, not just a coincidence.
Where do ppl rate him as a KPD compared to other KPD's in the game?
Off the top of my head:
Taylor
Lonergan
Carlisle
Richards
Merrett
Jamieson
Henderson
McPharlin
Mckenzie
Trengove
Talia
Thompson
Garland
Frawley
Reid
N.Brown
Behind Carlisle and mcpharlin, play the rest of them on a break :shh
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He's definitely improved since the stalker was put away, not just a coincidence.
Where do ppl rate him as a KPD compared to other KPD's in the game?
Off the top of my head:
Taylor
Lonergan
Carlisle
Richards
Merrett
Jamieson
Henderson
McPharlin
Mckenzie
Trengove
Talia
Thompson
Garland
Frawley
Reid
N.Brown
That's a pretty good list of key backs and I recon he sits about in the middle just on name alone. Some he doesn't defend as well as (Frawley for example) but his rebound is probably more in the top 3 or 4 of that group. And if you have others who get across and are third man up (Chaplin) Than he becomes one of the best out of that very good group of defenders. He is very athletic and players both tall and small and is not scared to leave his man to help out his team mates and that in it's self is a pretty big bonus that puts him ahead of most others on that list. No secret that he is one of my favorites but I cannot fathem how other on here cannot see his value.... STAR!
pretty well summed up bt :thumbsup If he can keep improving his body on body work deep, he will become a gun... and the more our side improves the better he'll look with Chappy and Grimes giving the chop out. Thing I liked about last week was how Chappy and rance rotated on sooki roo, keeps them from redlining.
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Wait till its Rance-Chaplin-Grimes :shh
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he is an absolute star,lmao .. yeah at winning a contest it hard ball then handing it straight back
when he has too much time to think he always stuffs up.. he should always look to just stick to the basics then he May be ok
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he is an absolute star,lmao .. yeah at winning a contest it hard ball then handing it straight back
when he has too much time to think he always stuffs up.. he should always look to just stick to the basics then he May be ok
Lol he's been doing precisely that. You'd be about the only one that won't acknowledge it though.
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I think way too many people not just Nathan have too much time to think
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Lachie Henderson is massively underrated. He'd be the best field kick out of those defenders + he can roost it 60 odd.
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he is an absolute star,lmao .. yeah at winning a contest it hard ball then handing it straight back
when he has too much time to think he always stuffs up.. he should always look to just stick to the basics then he May be ok
Do you rate him above Watts
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Lachie Henderson is massively underrated. He'd be the best field kick out of those defenders + he can roost it 60 odd.
Sounds like Griffiths except Spud Hendo gets a game, and occasional plays a decent one
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If he keeps his feet he's an elite defender. Still slips over too much at crucial times though.
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Lachie Henderson is massively underrated. He'd be the best field kick out of those defenders + he can roost it 60 odd.
He's alright. Better offensively than defensively IMO and makes a better CHF. A reverse Hurley.
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He's better than alright. If he played for us you'd all be claiming him as the next Jim Jess
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He's better than alright. If he played for us you'd all be claiming him as the next Jim Jess
And you'd be bagging him
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Why? He's good.
":fishing"
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there's something hanging out your fishing shorts Coach
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he is an absolute star,lmao .. yeah at winning a contest it hard ball then handing it straight back
when he has too much time to think he always stuffs up.. he should always look to just stick to the basics then he May be ok
Do you rate him above Watts
Watts is a better player than rance.. put Watts in a half decent team and watch him shine.. put rance in Melbourne and watch the Benny Hill show.
Watts was just unlucky Melbourne picked him..
I would have Watts in our team over rance.. u are just Al blinded
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Rance was drafted in 2007.
In 2010 the football world was claiming Richmond was worse than Fitzory.
In the early career of Rance he held up up admirably in a very poor side.
If you really cannot see any positives in Alex Rance I would argue it is you, that is infact blind.
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He's better than alright. If he played for us you'd all be claiming him as the next Jim Jess
Who?
:fishing
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Watts is a better player than rance.. put Watts in a half decent team and watch him shine.. put rance in Melbourne and watch the Benny Hill show.
Watts was just unlucky Melbourne picked him..
I would have Watts in our team over rance.. u are just Al blinded
Username with the big jump on Watts......any coincidence that he just played the best game of his career?
You should get on Foley big man, he'll be BOG against the roos ;)
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I'd have Watts at the RFC . . . not sure why he all but committed himself to that rabble beyond this season :huh :o
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I'd have Watts at the RFC . . . not sure why he all but committed himself to that rabble beyond this season :huh :o
Watts is a wimp! No one would deny he is an OK mark, a pretty good kick and is quick for someone of his size but footy is so much more than just talent. And i have seen it over many years of playing local footy. I don't blame Melbourne for his lack of development, that's an easy excuse for him. He lacks fight, aggression, intensity and the will to push himself to the edge. Its not in his make up to be what most people think he should have been with his talents. He is just a soft boy that cannot play against men.
IMO he is only a touch of an upgrade on our very own J. Post.
He is not what the RFC needs or wants!
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Post is a decent comparison. But BigTone, he's playing for the most pathetic club in the world. Nathan Jones is the only player they have who has a nonstop crack. Personally I'd take Watts on our list and see if Dimma can get the best out of him. Like Posty, this kid does show the odd act of courage. His issue (IMO) is a lack of work rate. Bit like Tambling. A lack of intensity can be changed easily, especially in the right environment
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exactly, look at how well Tambling and Graham are going at Adelaide
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But they're not good footballers bro. Watts has dobbed 7 in the last 2 games. Not sure how the other two are going for Sturt
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I remember when Tambo dobbed 4 in a quarter against reigning Grand Finalists West Coast... ahh memories
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I remember when you got a career high 3 disposals in an under 14's game. Leave Jack Alone
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Had it on a string that day...
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But they're not good footballers bro. Watts has dobbed 7 in the last 2 games. Not sure how the other two are going for Sturt
6 in the last 2 games.
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whoa. Garry Lyon lied. Point is he is playing well and has been since the Freo game
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Rance had 11 one-percenters against the Suns yesterday.
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Worth every penny. Really finding some good form. Just need Grimes back as 3rd tall and a viable 3rd tall forward and I think things will fall into place better :)
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we have a multitude of you tall options.
just need the selection panel to pull the finger out
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True. But I don't have a lot of faith in Astbury or Griffiths so far. McBean has been pushing for selection all year so I'd like to see him given a crack.
As for the backline, none of them can hold a candle to Grimes. Kid just needs to get his body right for a while...
Grimes in the D50. McBean F50. Astbury and Griffiths gotta show a bit more this year. Griffiths especially I think will find himself in hot water if he doesn't.
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I cant bag him today.. great game
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OH I reckon you aren't trying hard enough,try i'm sure you could find something
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unlike u sheep I call it as it is... today he was fantastic... get over it.. lets hope this is is standard now ..
he is lucky Chaplin is there now
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he is lucky Chaplin is there now
KaaaaaPowwwwww! :boxer
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unlike u sheep I call it as it is... today he was fantastic... get over it..
We're all greatful....
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unlike u sheep I call it as it is... today he was fantastic... get over it.. lets hope this is is standard now ..
he is lucky Chaplin is there now
Yep, 30 touches and 16 marks playing full back should be a standard game. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where all the gay guy had to do was save Homers life to win his respect
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unlike u sheep I call it as it is... today he was fantastic... get over it.. lets hope this is is standard now ..
he is lucky Chaplin is there now
Yep, 30 touches and 16 marks playing full back should be a standard game. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where all the gay guy had to do was save Homers life to win his respect
Ah when Homer and Moe try to take Bart deer hunting and they end up being tenderised by the reindeer at Santa's palace. :lol :rollin :lol
Pardon the pun but Rance today was Absolutely Fabulous. :thumbsup
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don't give a.poo how many touches he got
it's about his ball use and Decision making
was more impressed with rances decision making and ball use today
possessions mean jack poo
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(http://honolulunotes.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/office-grump-sized.jpg)
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Rance had the second-most disposals of his career with 30 and also took 16 marks as the Dockers were restricted to eight goals.
''[Rance's] last 10 or 11 weeks have been outstanding. I think the addition of [Troy] Chaplin makes him a better player and that's the reason we brought Chappy in,'' Hardwick said.
''He is going to make some supporters and coaches tear their hair out at stages, but he gives absolutely everything on the field.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/now-its-the-tigers-of-bold-20130721-2qcov.html#ixzz2ZgO5v1aM
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unlike u sheep I call it as it is... today he was fantastic... get over it.. lets hope this is is standard now ..
he is lucky Chaplin is there now
Generally when a lot of people share the same opinion they are closer to the mark then the guy that uses insults to back up his argument
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baaaaa baaaaaa
u ever watched midnight express... maybe u.should
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fos
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Trossman :cheers
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Bloody fantastic today. His effort and follow up we're enormous. Occasional mistake (plenty of blokes made mistakes tbh) but his defensive marking and pressure was AA-standard.
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Well France is still well and truly stuffed but Rance is doing OK
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BOG yesterday, fantastic game
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If that wasn't his best game for the club it was pretty close
Didn't put a foot wrong
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baaaaa baaaaaa
u ever watched midnight express... maybe u.should
Hahaha, username, shame, shame, shame, stuff me, Rance has shown you up to be the typical fool that you are.. :clapping
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:lol
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One of Robbo's likes today in the Herald-Sun:
2. Chaplin & Rance
Sounds like a vaudeville duo, but far from it. Terry Wallace predicted Rance would go to Mayne, leaving Chaplin for Hannath/Clarke/Silvagni, and those two were pivotal to success. Cotchin was back, (34 touches, six tackles, six clearances), so was Maric, but it was Rance who really stamped himself on the game. You can close your eyes sometimes when he has the ball, but 30 touches (83 per cent efficiency) and 16 marks across half-back has to equal best afield. On Saturday, spoke to Wallace about the days Rance would make mistake after mistake, and how Wallace would still keep playing him. He's paying the Tigers back.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-captain-gary-ablett-moving-out-of-his-fathers-shadow/story-fnelctok-1226682796976
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One of Robbo's likes today in the Herald-Sun:
2. Chaplin & Rance
Sounds like a vaudeville duo, but far from it. Terry Wallace predicted Rance would go to Mayne, leaving Chaplin for Hannath/Clarke/Silvagni, and those two were pivotal to success. Cotchin was back, (34 touches, six tackles, six clearances), so was Maric, but it was Rance who really stamped himself on the game. You can close your eyes sometimes when he has the ball, but 30 touches (83 per cent efficiency) and 16 marks across half-back has to equal best afield. On Saturday, spoke to Wallace about the days Rance would make mistake after mistake, and how Wallace would still keep playing him. He's paying the Tigers back.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-captain-gary-ablett-moving-out-of-his-fathers-shadow/story-fnelctok-1226682796976
Yes Robbo - he's good form can all be attributed to Plough ::)
Best game I can remember seeing for 'Superman'. Seems to be a marking machine now he can more confidence that if he misses it Chaplin will back him up. :thumbsup
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Yes Robbo - he's good form can all be attributed to Plough ::)
Don't think that was the point he was trying to make Stripes. Dont think Plough was any taking credit either
Just think it was a straight forward observation made by Robbo of how we are now reaping the benefits of getting game time into the kid at young age despite the truck load of mistakes he use to make. Because at that time people (media and forum posters ;D) were calling for him to be dropped or even de-listed because they said he wasn't going to make it.
Nothing more nothing less IMV
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You don't listen to Crunchtime then WP. Robbo frequently tries to attribute Tigers success to Plough while Wallace humbly declines. I'm sure the amount of games the club got into Rance has helped his performance now days but I would credit more Leppitch's coaching and giving him the confidence of remaining in the same role he had been recruited for even more important.
Wallace gave Tambling plenty of games too.... :whistle
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You don't listen to Crunchtime then WP. Robbo frequently tries to attribute Tigers success to Plough while Wallace humbly declines. I'm sure the amount of games the club got into Rance has helped his performance now days but I would credit more Leppitch's coaching and giving him the confidence of remaining in the same role he had been recruited for even more important.
Wallace gave Tambling plenty of games too.... :whistle
I actually do listen to Crunchtime most weeks Stripes. I can say I have never really noticed him "frequently" trying "to attribute Tigers success to Plough while Wallace humbly declines". He talks up his mates and all journo's are guilty of that.
While Robbo likes to try and big note his views and pump up his tyres on things I take most of it with a grain of salt and strip it back to basics.
Robbo gets hyper on the wireless like he does nearly ever night on 360, you have to take the bluff and bluster out (that's what I do anyway) and then listen to his comments and determine whether they are worthwhile. His points (and yes sometimes he does have them if only once & awhile ;D) get lost amongst his bluff and bluster
But it can go the other way too. Have you ever heard Robbo whack Eade for the mess he left the Doggies list in by not playing the kids? Answer is NO and that's because the he's mates with Eade. But he's had no hesitation in whacking Ross Lyon and list mess he left at St Kilda - blustering Robbo picks his marks
Although I agree with you about who should be getting the bulk of the credit with Rance and his improvement putting game time into kids is invaluable early in their careers. It certainly was with Rance and his improvement so on that Robbo makes a reasonable point even if over the top to some.
But I will counter the invaluable arguement by saying that while it clearly works for some but obviously doens't for others ;)
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As usual blobbo like most journos takes half truths and sells it as fact..
Was drafted to be a birchall type in actual fact. His junior football he played as an attacking HBF, not a KP. Was regarded as a good reader of play and could break lines with his run (not his kicking)
Was noted early on his disposal was never going to be up to scratch to be a release distributor out of defence at afl level. Was never played as a KPD type by Wallace, always as an attacking HBF.
Was moved forward as a last gasp effort to save his career. Almost went to the hawks, thankfully when Dimma got stuck into things he earmarked Rance as a KPD. But his body work was so poor(he really had nfi) he had to be trained from scratch on how to play body on body. His improvement in his one on one work (whilst still below par) is a massive improvement on what it was. If he keeps working on his core strength, in a few years he'll be pretty bloody good imo.
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Will he be as good as Mopsy Fraser :cheers
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Will he be as good as Mopsy Fraser :cheers
No way.
Mopsy never let any body stand in his way!
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im gunna be the odd man out here and happy to be it. but i question the talk that rance has actually improved in key areas that key defenders just have to be really good in.
hes ordinary and while we have so few decent reasonable kpds he is needed, but i have no doubt we need to aim for better if we wish to win premierships.we talk about value adding well alex is one id love to value add on,.
the trouble in having alex is the powers that be will continue to fail to add to the key defensive mess that we have.
i firmly believe we need to taget at least one GENUINE KPD either junior or mature. same goes for kpf and ruck.
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baaaaa baaaaaa
u ever watched midnight express... maybe u.should
Hahaha, username, shame, shame, shame, stuff me, Rance has shown you up to be the typical fool that you are.. :clapping
he didn't show me up and I acknowledged his game... but it's one game
lets see if he can back it up each week
he is listening to me and finally keeping it simple
he is very lucky Chaplin is there now
now go watch midnight express ...
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u ever watched midnight express... maybe u.should
why
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baaaaa baaaaaa
u ever watched midnight express... maybe u.should
Hahaha, username, shame, shame, shame, stuff me, Rance has shown you up to be the typical fool that you are.. :clapping
he didn't show me up and I acknowledged his game... but it's one game
lets see if he can back it up each week
he is listening to me and finally keeping it simple
he is very lucky Chaplin is there now
now go watch midnight express ...
Rance never played well before? WA teams are after him cause he is uber-dud?
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Rance is playing great consistent footy and one of the best key backs in the game. Very happy he signed on for another 2 years.
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Beaten properly by Cloke this year 1vs1. Who else has bettered him so much?
Very good IMO. Just shouldn't play on Cloke. Cloke is taller by an inch but heavier by around two stone.
Next time, somebody in front of Cloke running back with the flight. Somebody behind just to knee him in the back all day.
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Our lazy ass midfield was also beaten by Cloke that day.
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Rance has improved markedly with the addition of Troy Chaplin. Chaplin has been a god send for Rance.
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Thought Rance was on track to make AA squad last year at the start of the season playing alongside Grimes. Any decent chop out and Rance plays very well
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Rance is playing great consistent footy and one of the best key backs in the game. Very happy he signed on for another 2 years.
place him in the pecking order of fb, and chbs in the comp then. base it on defense which is after all what your two kpds should be all about first and foremost.
he has never ever been a good defensive kpd and he never ever will be.
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Gee I remember a game, probably going on nearly three years ago now, best game I've seen him play, and he's been BOG in games since, and the lions isolated him one out in the f50 with jono brown, cleared the whole joint out, and jono was getting it lace out all night, and Tross gave him an absolute bath, and i mean a thrashing the likes I've never seen on JB, so cut the never has bullsh it and get off ya perfect little fantasy football pedestal and check out the real world hombre
Tross is a rippa
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“The belief and individual decision-making skills are really improving as the year goes on,” Rance told Sportsday radio.
“It shows a lot with our game plan. ‘Dimma’ has now simplified it down a lot and put the onus on us to make the right decisions at the right time.”
Rance said Hardwick has delivered a more ‘principle based’ game plan, trusting his maturing players to make smart on-field decisions in the heat of the game.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-24/hardwick-backs-maturing-tigers
List to the Rance interview here: http://www.crocmedia.com.au/2013/07/23/sportsday-vicnswtas-july-23/
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Heart of a lion
Spoils like month old milk
Ability to stand on his feet like a fourteen month old
WHOA
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Rance is playing great consistent footy and one of the best key backs in the game. Very happy he signed on for another 2 years.
place him in the pecking order of fb, and chbs in the comp then. base it on defense which is after all what your two kpds should be all about first and foremost.
he has never ever been a good defensive kpd and he never ever will be.
Yes he is.
Who has beaten him this year apart from Cloke? Tell me.
If our FB is so useless defensively, explain how we are ranked third in the comp for points against?
You cant admit that you are wrong about Rance, because it goes against your bogus list management plans/theories.
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Liam Jones early on
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An injured Jay Schulz. Who played on Nick Riewoldt in round 2?
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An injured Jay Schulz. Who played on Nick Riewoldt in round 2?
How do you decide who had the better of whom? Just goals or other things come into it? I'm just curious
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Goals, marks, and whether or not the forward can still influence the contest even if he's not hitting the scoreboard eg Fat Dawes playing a valuable role at times for Melbourne even if he only kicks 2 or less. Bojangles thinks the disposal count is the most important thing for a full back, I think it's stopping your opponent from having a big influence on the game. No point getting 20 touches if you're opponent kicks 7. Rance has been racking decent numbers of late as well as doing a decent job on his opponent (sometimes his opponent is grass which helps ;D). Not sure I agree with Cloke being the only player to have beaten him though.
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Jones kicked three and one was an ABSOLUTE gift from Houli who put it on his chest under no pressure.
Rance is not the best stopper in the game but he is solid and still improving. In short, he does not need replacing.
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Goals, marks, and whether or not the forward can still influence the contest even if he's not hitting the scoreboard eg Fat Dawes playing a valuable role at times for Melbourne even if he only kicks 2 or less. Bojangles thinks the disposal count is the most important thing for a full back, I think it's stopping your opponent from having a big influence on the game. No point getting 20 touches if you're opponent kicks 7. Rance has been racking decent numbers of late as well as doing a decent job on his opponent (sometimes his opponent is grass which helps ;D). Not sure I agree with Cloke being the only player to have beaten him though.
Cloke is probably the only one to flog him, but I agree there are more that have got the better of him. Agree with most of that except marks. Depends where they are, if Rance makes his man take marks 50 out on the boundary line his won IMO
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the only defenders that don't get goals kicked on them are the ones sitting in the stands
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A mate keeps telling me Darren Glass has never had more than 2 kicked on him. I say surely not? But he insists. It can't be? My mate is smart, sexy and wise but is that enough?
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Glass is too much of a leader for that to happen, he instructs someone else to take his man.
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Hardwick is confident his backline, led by Alex Rance, can restrict Sydney to a losing score.
"He certainly has some Alex Rance moments every now and then which makes me pull my hair out," Hardwick said.
"But he's a quality player. He wins the ball back (with intercepts and spoils in defence).
"We rate him very, very highly."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-club-wont-overpay-big-guns-as-it-may-have-done-in-past/story-fndv8t7m-1226685012330
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Glass is too much of a leader for that to happen, he instructs someone else to take his man.
The Dustin Feltcher of the Eagles without the kicking ability
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Hardwick is confident his backline, led by Alex Rance, can restrict Sydney to a losing score.
"He certainly has some Alex Rance moments every now and then which makes me pull my hair out," Hardwick said.
"But he's a quality player. He wins the ball back (with intercepts and spoils in defence).
"We rate him very, very highly."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-club-wont-overpay-big-guns-as-it-may-have-done-in-past/story-fndv8t7m-1226685012330
It really doesn't matter what a few armchair critics think about Rance. They can bang on all they like about one game or another, how many marks someone had, or other teams backman. The fact is the senior coach of our club thinks he is a quality player and rates him very, very highly. :clapping
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I rate Alex very highly.he is our best defender by a mile,given grimesy cant stay on the park.
He makes the odd mistake and clanger,but who doesn't.At the other end of the ground,jack makes far more clangers than Alex yet he is regarded as one of the leagues best full forwards
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Jack makes far more clangers :huh :huh
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I rate Alex very highly.he is our best defender by a mile,given grimesy cant stay on the park.
He makes the odd mistake and clanger,but who doesn't.At the other end of the ground,jack makes far more clangers than Alex yet he is regarded as one of the leagues best full forwards
Any stats to back that up
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are missed, gettable goals regarded as clangers?
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What about a sook up, is that a clanger?
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:rollin
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Nope I have no stats just a great appreciation and understanding of our great game ;D
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That's the way to go Giga
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Carlisle has had 12.8 kicked on him in the last two weeks but he doesn't fall over :thumbsup
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Carlisle has had 12.8 kicked on him in the last two weeks but he doesn't fall over :thumbsup
:clapping
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Well if he was part of the alleged petro chemical lab happening at windy hill,he might not be able to fall over ,he might just zip around
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Well if he was part of the alleged petro chemical lab happening at windy hill,he might not be able to fall over ,he might just zip around
seen how big he has got?
id bet my left nut he is juiced up
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Carlisle has had 12.8 kicked on him in the last two weeks but he doesn't fall over :thumbsup
yep but they still talk him up as AA :lol
Jack was all over him for the 1st qtr at dreamtime, pity the team threw the towel in early, would've taken him to the cleaners
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AA
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Buddy didn't get a look today. Rance has been at his best for a few months now.
Surely needs to be considered for AA.
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Like a BOSS!
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Everyone will give Cotch 3 but Rance was best for mine. Gave buddy boy an absolute bath and was simply outstanding and some reckon he cant play ... Now Claw where are you mate - gotta give credit where its due Rance deserves credit for how he's played.
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Everyone will give Cotch 3 but Rance was best for mine. Gave buddy boy an absolute bath and was simply outstanding and some reckon he cant play ... Now Claw where are you mate - gotta give credit where its due Rance deserves credit for how he's played.
Still has weaknesses, once again ppl get sucked in by one good game
;D
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Been good since he pants j brown many moons ago
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Been good since he pants j brown many moons ago
Been good since the horror he had in Perth against Freo in Round 5.
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everyone knows I am his biggest critic
but
i.must give credit when it's deserved
Rance was bog today
well done
and Chaplin a very close second totally owned roughead
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2. Buddy good job
Before the first bounce, Franklin had 32 goals from ten games against Richmond and just minutes into the first quarter it seemed he was ready to tear the game apart. He kicked an early goal, and butchered three others in the first half, but Alex Rance started to get on top. By the final siren, it was clear the Tiger had won the battle. Rance finished with 16 disposals, while Franklin was kept to just 11 touches.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-03/wet-weather-warriors
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And this fallacy that he is a bad disposer of the ball has to be put to bed once and for all. Went at 93% today, thank you very much :clapping
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yep think he is working on his kicking,because its steadily improving
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One word, just , whoa, he didnt lose a single contest to buddy today, nor did he look like it, he was da boss :shh
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Bo he must be close to all Australian surely?
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Bo he must be close to all Australian surely?
G since the court hearing that had more twists than the OJ Simpson case, he hasn't put a foot wrong, certainly on AA pace thats for sure :clapping
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A comment from the Clawski at this stage would be interesting
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everyone knows I am his biggest critic
but
i.must give credit when it's deserved
Rance was bog today
well done
and Chaplin a very close second totally owned roughead
:clapping poo bloke but at least you can own up when you're wrong
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A comment from the Clawski at this stage would be interesting
Still trying to type his password in.
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Everyone will give Cotch 3 but Rance was best for mine. Gave buddy boy an absolute bath and was simply outstanding and some reckon he cant play ... Now Claw where are you mate - gotta give credit where its due Rance deserves credit for how he's played.
Still has weaknesses, once again ppl get sucked in by one good game
;D
Don't think you can say that about Rance. He has been very good on many occasions.
Today BOG
Is very important to us.
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A comment from the Clawski at this stage would be interesting
Still trying to type his password in.
Has to be thankful for being able to save passwords
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Been saying for ages he's a great player and very much needed.
Bar round 3 he's had a great year. Maybe AA.
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everyone knows I am his biggest critic
but
i.must give credit when it's deserved
Rance was bog today
well done
and Chaplin a very close second totally owned roughead
:clapping poo bloke but at least you can own up when you're wrong
i always call it as it is
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TROSSMAN :cheers
A comment from the Clawski at this stage would be interesting
would be tl;dr
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pre his gay stalker trial his season was schizen
but since that trial ended he has turned his season around and improved each week
shows good character..
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Carlisle has had 12.8 kicked on him in the last two weeks but he doesn't fall over :thumbsup
17.8 in the last 3
But hey he kept Jack Riewoldt to three snags one day :dicksup
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Just gotta look at the premier forwards.
Cloke:
7 vs Rance
5 vs Carlisle
Franklin
1 vs Rance
8 vs Carlisle
Carlisle AA my tush. Rance is great. Just had one stinker this year is all.
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Cloke didn't kick 7 on Rance
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Rance will always struggle with Cloke because Cloke is a brilliant contested mark. he's not the only guy Cloke will take to the cleaners. Franklin has hands made of wet grass so Rance is quite capable of matching him in the air.
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Rance will always struggle with Cloke because Cloke is a brilliant contested mark. he's not the only guy Cloke will take to the cleaners. Franklin has hands made of wet grass so Rance is quite capable of matching him in the air.
True plus Rance has the athleticism to match Franklin on the lead and at ground level too.
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Rance will always struggle with Cloke because Cloke is a brilliant contested mark. he's not the only guy Cloke will take to the cleaners. Franklin has hands made of wet grass so Rance is quite capable of matching him in the air.
which is why we should have gone hard after the big Clokey
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I am disappointed in claw, has not shown his face around here at all - big win not newsworthy mate?
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Cloke didn't kick 7 on Rance
Round 4?
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He kicked 2 on the well dressed gardener
5 on Tross
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Tross the Boss.
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Tiger defender is flying
Emma Quayle
The Age
August 24, 2013
Go, go, go. There were three things Alex Rance used to think when the football landed in his hands. He wanted to move, to run, to do something, to do anything and it meant that in some ways, he didn't want to think at all. It was his nature and still is, one of the reasons he started a carpentry apprenticeship but now goes to flying school.
“It's a little bit more exhilarating,” he said of his first, 40-minute solo flight last week. “It's like getting your driver's licence again, it's like that first drive when you're all out by yourself and you start thinking: yes, independence!”
When he became a Richmond player, Rance wasn't entirely sure what sort of Richmond player he could or would be. He waited a long time to get his first chance, more than a year. He tried the half-back line, the wing, then was part of the forward line. Wherever he went, he was in a rush and he remains a courageous, urgent, lunging desperado who despises being beaten: after wanting Troy Chaplin to join his club at the end of last year, badly, Rance looked at him when he arrived and realised there was no way he wanted his authority in the back line to be challenged too much by this newcomer.
“I knew he'd be really good support, but then he got here and I was, not standoff-ish, but I was thinking: 'OK, it's good that you're here, but I'm not going to let you take my spot.' It was a strange thought I had in my head,” he said.
“I get really competitive, even around here, but I think that's healthy. As soon as we started training, I knew how cohesive we could be, and it was the same when Dylan Grimes started playing really well for us. If I feel like guys are playing better than me it makes me want to work harder, to stay No. 1, to push back past them. It's good that we have that sort of atmosphere here.”
Rance has asked more of himself internally, too, in the past few years. He's also become more confident. He never used to want the ball in his hands because when he took off and ran, there was no telling where he might end up, or what trouble he might find himself in when he got there. Even now his coach Damien Hardwick points out his 'Alex Rance Moments',” he said, smiling.
It helps that he has grown up with his team, and Rance feels like he has become a more predictable player because he is surrounded by teammates who are understanding each other better by the week. He knows what the players around him will do in any given moment, and understands exactly what they expect of him.
But he has also tried to rework some habits. “It's been a constant battle for me, to stop for a second and take a breath, not just take off and run,” Rance said.
“It's definitely come with all of us knowing the game plan and having confidence in it. If I take a mark, I know everyone is going to run this way, and that they're going to expect me to do this or do that. It makes it so much easier when everyone around you knows their role, when you know what you have to do in every situation and have blokes around you telling you to chill out.
“That's been good, and it's something I work on out on the training track all the time, putting myself in game situations and then visualising it: 'OK, I've taken an intercept mark, am I going to run? Or am I going to look first?' Some of it's really simple, it's taking a mark and taking a second to just turn your head to the side before you run, to slow yourself up. Or knowing how to position your feet in a marking contest to help you keep your feet, technical things like that.
“It's really hard to do in the heat of the moment, especially if it doesn't come naturally to you, but if you keep going over it, over it, over it, then it's going to come to you in time, it becomes like any other skill you need to work on if you're going to last.
“There's a lot of little things I'm working on and that I just keep reminding myself to do. I think what happens is you start to understand the player that you are, and stop wasting time trying to do things you can't really do. You feel a bit more comfortable about who you are, and what you're good at.”
Working out what those things are – or were – has taken time too. Rance has done it with the help of one of Richmond's assistant coaches, Justin Leppitsch, who thought he would be a good key defender long before Rance realised how much the idea appealed to him. Leppitsch has taught him “the technicalities” of playing in defence, and helped rewire his instincts.
“There's so much going on down in defence,” said Rance, “that you don't want to waste your decision-making on things to do with defending. You want that to come to you straight away so that you don't have to think about what you're doing, it just happens. You want to save your thinking, your decisions, for when you can be more creative, do something a bit more offensive.”
Rance has also become a calmer, more assured and steadier senior player at a time when he was under extraordinary pressure away from his day job. The 23-year-old was in court earlier this year when a man was convicted of stalking him and harassing his sister, and jailed for one year. He was pleased, most of all, that the episode was over, two years after the man contacted him promising a made-up part in an invented reality TV show, then hacked his email, posted messages to the club and his friends, sent people to his home and began contacting him incessantly, among other things.
The situation being over meant his family was safe; Rance had always worried more about them than himself.
Now he tells his teammates that if something seems too good to be true, it most often is. “There was some naivety on my part. I'd never been exposed to that sort of thing before, I'd never mistrusted anyone before and that's what I say to a lot of the younger blokes here. By all means trust people, don't be caged off and shut yourself away from the world because there are a lot of great people out there, but make sure you have the right support network around you and that you're a little bit wary of people's motives if it doesn't feel right,” he said.
“I was worried mostly about my family. It was probably more stressful for them than it was for me because I had a release, I had football and I could put my time into that and not think about it.
“For me the scariest part was probably not knowing what someone else was capable of. I didn't know whether he was going to seriously threaten my family or what he was thinking of doing and that's what got my back up, and when that happened I couldn't see how there would be any finality or how it was going to stop without something being done by the police.
“He wanted more and more time, it was all consuming and it was when I put my foot down about it when it started to get more full-on.
“Obviously he has issues which he has to deal with and a part of me is quite compassionate towards that because I think he needs to sort that out. But then, another part of me thinks: why? Why did this happen to me? But I had good support with it, the club and my family were both great. It was a part of my life I'll remember for a lot of not-very-good reasons, but I'm past it. I never let it get me down.”
Now he has new things to worry about. Or look forward to. Rance has barely had time to think about what it will be like to play in September for the first time in six years as a Richmond player; the coaches, he said, had been good at reminding the players of what they needed to get done before then.
He has never watched a lot of finals football, but he was out on the MCG four years ago, called up into the half-time sprint after Nic Naitanui strained a hamstring, and it was hard not to hear all the noise, notice all the people and think about how much he would like to be playing on that day. He was 19 then, and the thought hasn't left him.
“It was enough to be sitting in the crowd, but to be out there on the ground, to soak it up and see all the people, it was unreal. It makes you want it so much more,” he said. “I was getting goosebumps just from being on the ground, from thinking about it. I'd love to know what it feels like.”
(http://images.theage.com.au/2013/08/23/4688395/1_24midsbreakout-300x0.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-defender-is-flying-20130823-2shhi.html
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:cheers
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Playing well.
Chappy really helps.That guy is awesome in our defense.Really works it well
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He took superboy to the cleaners today.
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Dance obliterated super boy Ramps.
Was an incredible performance by Rance.
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Cameron did not want to be there
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Rance is a super player and has been for a while.
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rendered him helpless. just like when he locked up that bird in the bomb shelter in Under The Dome
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Huge effort today for four quarters given how far in front we were. Cameron did not have a sniff.
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Rance is a super player and has been for a while.
Your lucky you didnt call yourself "The War Machine" coz we'd all think you were a juiced up imposter ;D
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:lol
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Lmao war machine
Hey X, how did u rate Rance today?
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Chappy really helps.That guy is awesome in our defense.Really works it well
Is good but doesn't deserve any credit for Rance's effort today. Not one chop out, but didn't need to :clapping
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rendered him helpless. just like when he locked up that bird in the bomb shelter in Under The Dome
:lol
A few Richmond cameos in that. Petterd been busy shagging the red head while injured.
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Robbo talking about Rance ...
10. Alex Rance
Masking a strong run for All Australian consideration, but would have to nudge out Harry Taylor, Scott Thompson and maybe even Michael Johnson. To be named in that company is testament to Rance's standing in the game. At the weekend, he kept Jeremy Cameron not only goalless but to two kicks, while collecting 21 of his own and taking seven marks. Top three in the club B&F beckons.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-essendon-coach-james-hird-prepares-for-the-long-game/story-fndv8gad-1226703751187?from=trendinglinks
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glass half fulls :banghead
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A comment from Dr Claw may be relevant at this time
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Has to be the first tiger in line for AA selection. That oughta shut a few of the critics up. Rance is a gun !
How ironic it would be if our two most maligned players in Jackson and Rance were named AA in the year when we make the finals.
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Has to be the first tiger in line for AA selection. That oughta shut a few of the critics up. Rance is a gun !
How ironic it would be if our two most maligned players in Jackson and Rance were named AA in the year when we make the finals.
More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
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More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
If we finish 5th I reckon they'll be obliged to pick a tiger. Who do you think they'll pick Coachy ? Martin maybe ?
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More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
If we finish 5th I reckon they'll be obliged to pick a tiger. Who do you think they'll pick Coachy ? Martin maybe ?
Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
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More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
If we finish 5th I reckon they'll be obliged to pick a tiger. Who do you think they'll pick Coachy ? Martin maybe ?
Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
:clapping
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More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
If we finish 5th I reckon they'll be obliged to pick a tiger. Who do you think they'll pick Coachy ? Martin maybe ?
Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
So you admit getting it wrong on him?
Interrsting
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Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
Fair call Coach , he's been good. Was superb yesteday. Certainly recruit of the year.
We finally got a good one from Port , after that massive blunder we made by letting Schlultzty go.
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More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
If we finish 5th I reckon they'll be obliged to pick a tiger. Who do you think they'll pick Coachy ? Martin maybe ?
Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
So you admit getting it wrong on him.
Interesting
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Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
Fair call Coach , he's been good. Was superb yesteday. Certainly recruit of the year.
We finally got a good one from Port , after that massive blunder we made by letting Schlultzty go.
Ssssh don't start the old flog off
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:fishing :fishing
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Has to be the first tiger in line for AA selection. That oughta shut a few of the critics up. Rance is a gun !
How ironic it would be if our two most maligned players in Jackson and Rance were named AA in the year when we make the finals.
dont put your house on it
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:fishing :fishing
:shh
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:lol Coach should look at a serious career in fishing, reels them in consistently :shh
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:lol Coach should look at a serious career in fishing, reels them in consistently :shh
I hear he polices the fishing piers. :shh
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(http://www.alaskacopperriversalmonfishing.com/images/sockeyesalmon.jpg)
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posting pics of Coach's mum is going too far man
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A comment from Dr Claw may be relevant at this time
He is not the only flog not to rate him on here.
Worth going back to read some of the poo. Makes some people who think they know footy look pretty foolish.
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:fishing :fishing
Ah the ancient art of the double bluff.
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A comment from Dr Claw may be relevant at this time
He is not the only flog not to rate him on here.
Worth going back to read some of the poo. Makes some people who think they know footy look pretty foolish.
You bagging claw is a bit rich, dude. Brandon Ellis says g'day. Macca is waving at you from Coburg too ;D
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More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
If we finish 5th I reckon they'll be obliged to pick a tiger. Who do you think they'll pick Coachy ? Martin maybe ?
Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
So you admit getting it wrong on him?
Interrsting
Nope, Chaplin is everything that I expected him to be.
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Rance and Chaplin are working very well together down back, very well, great duo!!! :clapping
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More chance of you hitting puberty than those two getting AA. Rance might make the squad of 40 though.
If we finish 5th I reckon they'll be obliged to pick a tiger. Who do you think they'll pick Coachy ? Martin maybe ?
Couldn't go past Troy Chaplin. He would be one of the greatest Richmond players I've seen in my time. Physical, classy left footer.
So you admit getting it wrong on him?
Interrsting
Nope, Chaplin is everything that I expected him to be.
Coach always rated the big man. :clapping
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A comment from Dr Claw may be relevant at this time
He is not the only flog not to rate him on here.
Worth going back to read some of the poo. Makes some people who think they know footy look pretty foolish.
You bagging claw is a bit rich, dude. Brandon Ellis says g'day. Macca is waving at you from Coburg too ;D
Ha, yeah was about to quote and say the same.
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AUDIO: Rance on SEN ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-08-29/rance-sen-29th-august
* We can only just focus on us this week against Essendon.
* We'll play our best side minus Shane Edwards.
* What's the best preparation for us for finals is hard to say as we haven't been there before,
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Rance final fury
By richmondfc.com.au
Friday, September 27, 2013
Nearly three weeks after Richmond’s 2013 campaign ended, the pain of that elimination final loss to Carlton still gnaws away at Alex Rance.
“I know there are a few guys – and I put myself in that group as well – who probably dropped the ball on the day,” Rance said.
“At times we were playing well, but it will sit in my guts for a long time that I didn’t perform to the standard that I wanted to, and help the team get the success that they deserved.
“It’s definitely a game that will burn in my guts for a long time.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-27/rance-final-fury
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Tross is 24 today :birthday
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Big year will Rance have next year, AA full back!!!! :o
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Big year will Rance have next year, AA full back!!!! :o
AA as in Always Awful? ;D
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Big year will Rance have next year, AA full back!!!! :o
AA as in Always Awful? ;D
:lol :thumbsup :shh :bow :cheers :help :clapping :police: :angel:
Sorry couldn't help myself.... ;)
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WAT its a good day today here in OER. Everyone is having a bit of a laugh and not taking things too seriously. Well at least until Ramps signs on. ;D
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WAT its a good day today here in OER. Everyone is having a bit of a laugh and not taking things too seriously. Well at least until Ramps signs on. ;D
It is tiga, that it is.........Good to see I think. Hahaha...yes..good old Ramps.. ;D
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VIDEO: Rance's 2013 season review...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-10-24/rance-season-review
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VIDEO: Rance's 2013 season review...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-10-24/rance-season-review
“As a defensive group, I think we’ve got a lot better. I think we were number three (in the competition) for scores against, which is a fantastic sign for us,” Rance told Roar Vision.
“The dynamics of the game are still changing. A lot of ‘mids’ are being rotated through the half-forward and half-back lines.
“I think the key roles are pretty set. There are always going to be a couple of floating mids that come through the back and forward rotations, but as a whole, the backline is really quite settled.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-24/stable-tigers-defend-best
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Alex Rance @trossman18 twitter:
"apparently I have a twin on Beauty and the geek. Hope he is doing well. thanks for the 1000s of tweets everyone. #flooded"
(http://l.yimg.com/ao/tv/13/batg/geek_matthew.jpg)
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
"@Richmond_FC assist coach Danny Daly says Alex Rance will miss "a couple of weeks" with foot injury. Hopes to return in R4 v Pies"
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
"@Richmond_FC assist coach Danny Daly says Alex Rance will miss "a couple of weeks" with foot injury. Hopes to return in R4 v Pies"
Let's hope get doesn't. Cloke murdered him last time
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AFL Record @AFLrecord twitter:
"The @Richmond_FC might be missing @trossman18 at tonite's game - @afl_bencollins had a good chat to him though."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjsa0DmCEAAU8Og.png)
https://twitter.com/AFLrecord
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Fell off a bike and will apparently miss Dogs and Pies games. :banghead
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Didn't Vickery fall off a bike? Also wasn't it a stress fracture in his foot? Don't think you can get a stress fracture from falling off a bike....
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Is it a stress fracture? if so he'll miss more than 2-3 you wold think
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Is it a stress fracture? if so he'll miss more than 2-3 you wold think
Thought I read that but now I'm starting to doubt myself ;D
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*Puts on flameproof suit* Blessing in disguise?
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Is it a stress fracture? if so he'll miss more than 2-3 you wold think
Heard him on the radio saying it was a fractured fifth metatarsal which isn't a stress related injury usually. Sounds more like a direct blow to the lateral aspect of the foot.
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Leave Rance out another game & force him to regain his spot.
Got to stop giving games to players who think its their right to play, when others are developing & can do the same job if not better on some days
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Saw him walking from Punt Rd to the G last night before the game with a massive moon boot on. Had a fair limp on him.
Really missed him last night, sure he makes the odd mistake but everyone does. He is our most important backmen.
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Heard he came off a bike that I'm not exactly too happy about. Would have thought thrillseeking would be a clause in the Don't do section of contract ::)
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Is it a stress fracture? if so he'll miss more than 2-3 you wold think
Heard him on the radio saying it was a fractured fifth metatarsal which isn't a stress related injury usually. Sounds more like a direct blow to the lateral aspect of the foot.
cheers
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riding a bike is thrill seeking?
LMFAO
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riding a bike is thrill seeking?
LMFAO
:lol
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Is it a stress fracture? if so he'll miss more than 2-3 you wold think
Heard him on the radio saying it was a fractured fifth metatarsal which isn't a stress related injury usually. Sounds more like a direct blow to the lateral aspect of the foot.
Maybe I skimmed over an article and it talked about Grimes' old stress fracture because I'm sure I read it somewhere ;D
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riding a bike is thrill seeking?
LMFAO
was the seat on? whoooooooooooooooo
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Not like Jonno Brown who got hit by a car riding his bike and they had to tow the car away. True story. :rollin
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Not like Jonno Brown who got hit by a car riding his bike and they had to tow the car away. True story. :rollin
yeah the panel beating bill was 3 times the cost of the medical bills! :gobdrop
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*Puts on flameproof suit* Blessing in disguise?
Wondered the same. Sure didn't miss him in the first half.
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interesting comment that mr magic. seems to insinuate that we did miss him when it counted?
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Heard he came off a bike that I'm not exactly too happy about. Would have thought thrillseeking would be a clause in the Don't do section of contract ::)
Calm down gramps, not everyone rides em with the seat off like you ;D
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:lol :lol
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Heard he came off a bike that I'm not exactly too happy about. Would have thought thrillseeking would be a clause in the Don't do section of contract ::)
Calm down gramps, not everyone rides em with the seat off like you ;D
:lol :lol All Hail Owl :bow :bow
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interesting comment that mr magic. seems to insinuate that we did miss him when it counted?
Either that or may have lost by more.
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massively under rated
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What a difference Lids and Rance made
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Gun with big balls.
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One of the worst umpiring decisions was the one that penalised him for the spoil running back with the flight.
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That was stuffing disgusting. Perfect spoil.
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Realised how much he'd been missed about 3 minutes into the first qtr
Great game
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Clawsy would have to admit that Rance has become quite the key position defender. Hes still a very young player but he is become an excellent key position defender.
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No he wont. He'll say that's the bare minimum and how easily pleased we are by average performances
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That was stuffing disgusting. Perfect spoil.
Outstanding spoil. What else is he meant to do? Surely that umpire must realise that in order to spoil contact with an opponent will occasionally be made. Amazing spoil actually. :clapping
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Was fantastic today. Glad to have him back. That Dogs game is going to haunt us for the rest of 2014.
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:lol
Has some interesting things to say, old Clawski, but humility isnt his strong suit.
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No he wont. He'll say that's the bare minimum and how easily pleased we are by average performances
i actually thought he had a great game. if you were to ask me if i think he struggles in some areas i will say yes. he played a third tall role today rebounding and intercepting the ball in the air, giving teammates a chop out as third man up. these are the roles ive advocated for him.
im yet to see anything that says he can consistently play one v one on the big blokes.
astbury did a great job on the big bastard hawkins with a little help from others.
as i said he had a very good game and we have missed areas of his game probably more than i realised.i still think we need urgently both for the long term and short term another player capable of playing on the power fwds and shutting them out of the game.
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That was stuffing disgusting. Perfect spoil.
Outstanding spoil. What else is he meant to do? Surely that umpire must realise that in order to spoil contact with an opponent will occasionally be made. Amazing spoil actually. :clapping
Penalised for a display of courage.
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No he wont. He'll say that's the bare minimum and how easily pleased we are by average performances
i actually thought he had a great game. if you were to ask me if i think he struggles in some areas i will say yes. he played a third tall role today rebounding and intercepting the ball in the air, giving teammates a chop out as third man up. these are the roles ive advocated for him.
im yet to see anything that says he can consistently play one v one on the big blokes.
astbury did a great job on the big bastard hawkins with a little help from others.
as i said he had a very good game and we have missed areas of his game probably more than i realised.i still think we need urgently both for the long term and short term another player capable of playing on the power fwds and shutting them out of the game.
:thumbsup all good mate, was a little tongue in cheek
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Todays game really highlighted how important he is to our backline. I would go so far as to to say he is one of the better defenders in the league and todays game will illuminate that fact to many learned spectators that may have under-rated him in the past. Our defence looks infinitely better with his inclusion. I think our best defense is 1. Rance, 2. Morris, 3. Astbury, 4. Chaplin and 5. Houli. They all have various roles and responsibilities but Rance adds far more to the table than just his defense.
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Todays game really highlighted how important he is to our backline. I would go so far as to to say he is one of the better defenders in the league and todays game will illuminate that fact to many learned spectators that may have under-rated him in the past. Our defence looks infinitely better with his inclusion. I think our best defense is 1. Rance, 2. Morris, 3. Astbury, 4. Chaplin and 5. Houli. They all have various roles and responsibilities but Rance adds far more to the table than just his defense.
I would agree with that order Stripes except I would put Houli in front of Chaplin. He can't defend but at least he starts attacks. Chaplin can't kick the ball with any certainty.
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Todays game really highlighted how important he is to our backline. I would go so far as to to say he is one of the better defenders in the league and todays game will illuminate that fact to many learned spectators that may have under-rated him in the past. Our defence looks infinitely better with his inclusion. I think our best defense is 1. Rance, 2. Morris, 3. Astbury, 4. Chaplin and 5. Houli. They all have various roles and responsibilities but Rance adds far more to the table than just his defense.
I would agree with that order Stripes except I would put Houli in front of Chaplin. He can't defend but at least he starts attacks. Chaplin can't kick the ball with any certainty.
I only go to number three in that list
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Todays game really highlighted how important he is to our backline. I would go so far as to to say he is one of the better defenders in the league and todays game will illuminate that fact to many learned spectators that may have under-rated him in the past. Our defence looks infinitely better with his inclusion. I think our best defense is 1. Rance, 2. Morris, 3. Astbury, 4. Chaplin and 5. Houli. They all have various roles and responsibilities but Rance adds far more to the table than just his defense.
Four and five are hurting he overall sde
Houli can be carried due to skill but chappy is hurting alexrance and co.
Criminal to not play a mcbean Griff darrou crimes type instead
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Far more suited to the role he's now playing with Astbury taking the larger marking forwards.
Great comeback from injury too.
Well done to him.
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Rance + Deledio : (strangely) underrated my some.
Yet, Rance + Deledio = drive off half back
Therefore, Drive off half back: obviously ( & strangely) underrated by some.
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Cotch talking about the importance of having Tross back in the backline ...
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“’Rancey’ is one of our directors down there (in defence),” Cotchin said.
“He makes sure that guys are playing their role, especially in the back half, but also with the midfield.
“He’s always talking to us and trying to direct us to the most dangerous space for the opposition.
“It was great to have him back. I know that the other key backs were very happy to have him back.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-13/rance-a-defence-director
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As proud custodian of the number 18 guernsey, think it is appropriate that Rance tosses the coin this week as an extra mark of respect to Tom Hafey.
Tom Hafey wore number 18, its significance should never be forgotten
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As proud custodian of the number 18 guernsey, think it is appropriate that Rance tosses the coin this week as an extra mark of respect to Tom Hafey.
Tom Hafey wore number 18, its significance should never be forgotten
Thanks WP! Couldn't remember that far back!
Indeed he should toss the coin. :clapping
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As proud custodian of the number 18 guernsey, think it is appropriate that Rance tosses the coin this week as an extra mark of respect to Tom Hafey.
Tom Hafey wore number 18, its significance should never be forgotten
Might be worth posting in the RFCO thread. Good suggestion. :clapping
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As proud custodian of the number 18 guernsey, think it is appropriate that Rance tosses the coin this week as an extra mark of respect to Tom Hafey.
Tom Hafey wore number 18, its significance should never be forgotten
good call :thumbsup
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Alex Rance is a bloody star.... That's all.
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Alex Rance is a bloody star.... That's all.
He is good. But if he didn't fall over he'd be closer to elite.
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Chaplin is not the player Rance was praying for as it turns out. Feel sorry for him not only defending his man all day but trying to defend Chaplins man as well. Runs himself into the ground every game whilst Chaplin looks as fresh as a daisy after every game :banghead
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Goes in risking injury continually while others are standing back watching twiddling thumbs
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Rance is underrated by many of our supporters. He is one of the best key position defenders going around in the competition. He's a Richmond player of substance, cant say the same for many of his teammates who are just pretenders.
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Agree Ramps. He's a heart and soul player.
Love Rancer.
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Solid as usual
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Excellent Game
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Agree with the above sentiments.
Has been whole hearted for us since he has come back from injury.
Fantastic player for us.
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In the best 5 players at Richmond and had to work bloody hard to achieve it :clapping
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One of the best defenders in the game rancer, said for a while should be DVC :shh
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Time for you to chip in Clawski my old pal
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Continues to improve, become a key part of our side.
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Impressed by his focus.
Focus....
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Really has found his niche as third man up. Gives us great drive out of defense.
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Time for you to chip in Clawski my old pal
:lol
True. Come on Claw be a man and just say you were wrong without any of your spin. :whistle
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common clawsie do a fonz and admit you were wwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggggggg ;D
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bump :wallywink
he has never ever been a good defensive kpd and he never ever will be.
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Inb4 'can't play on KPFs, can only play third man up'
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pretty sure you have all just taken what was said out of context.
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Ok heres some more gold :whistle
.....after 5 yrs the falling over the poor judgement in the air the poor one on one contests remain a constant and have hardly improved one bit.
he doesnt have the tools to be a good fb.
i dont think alex rance is good fb and i dont think he has much of an upside as a fb because he lacks the attributes to play there.
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Big Lance!
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Time for you to chip in Clawski my old pal
thought i had hes been very good since coming back from injury. i still question his worth as a 1v1 player. sorry dont know what else you ship jumpers want.
hes played primarily as the thirds tall and provided great rebound and been good third man up. whats new.
we will find ourt soon enough weather hes improved 1v1. with just grimes and chaplin at some stage he is going to have to shut down a player and forget about running off by himself racking up possesions.
make no mistake the club is screaming out for a big bodied shut down 1v1 fb.
please tell anyone what exactly has been rances role since coming back from injury. who the eff has he played on and had to shut down.
the trouble with you lot is you think a few good games makes a career. hes played some great rebounding footy but hes done jack 1v1, when alex can play a full season 1v1 and win his position i may jump of the ship. it wont be before though.
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Time for you to chip in Clawski my old pal
thought i had hes been very good since coming back from injury. i still question his worth as a 1v1 player. sorry dont know what else you ship jumpers want.
hes played primarily as the thirds tall and provided great rebound and been good third man up. whats new.
we will find ourt soon enough weather hes improved 1v1. with just grimes and chaplin at some stage he is going to have to shut down a player and forget about running off by himself racking up possesions.
make no mistake the club is screaming out for a big bodied shut down 1v1 fb.
please tell anyone what exactly has been rances role since coming back from injury. who the eff has he played on and had to shut down.
the trouble with you lot is you think a few good games makes a career. hes played some great rebounding footy but hes done jack 1v1, when alex can play a full season 1v1 and win his position i may jump of the ship. it wont be before though.
Spin whatever makes you feel better.
You're sad!
What is with all this 1v1 poo? He plays his roll and more!!
Not even worth debating with.
Rance is our best and most important backman.
End of story.
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He usually plays well on Franklin though will be interesting to see how he goes this year if Franklin maintains his current marking form. Everytime Rance has played on Franklin so far his overhead game has been virtually non-existent, which has suited Rance.
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Usually beats at a franklin
Cameron. Jon brown.
I would love to know these mythical KPP that rance can't beat
I think you will find most kp defenders struggle vs Travis cloak when midfield delivery is good and pressure low
I asked claw a while before this season - what are your thoughts on Adelaide journalist ricci naming alexrance as the number one kp defender in the afl (35 or something best or something overall). Looking forward to the reply
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:lol
Has some interesting things to say, old Clawski, but humility isnt his strong suit.
i disagree. i could go on just about every threasd here and say i freakin told ya so. yet its only on rare occasions that i do, usually when posters get churlish.
i could say the same very few posters prepared to concede they were wrong.
most posters chop and change on players that much it is laughable. when they have a poor one the abuse em when they have a good one they are on board.
what have i said about rance over the yrs. rember i was big on us drafting this bloke at pick 18 so ive seen him right thru from juniors to colts to senors.
to me his strengths are hes a running defender who is brave and committed. his strenght when defending has been to read the ball in the air and be third man up or cut the ball off in flight which he has done well. he finds plenty of ball and provides great run.
imo his weakesse has always been kicking to a degree, and when isolated 1v1 hes been poor. im sorry if people dont agree with this nut its what i see.
i actually acknowledged his game against geelong and even went as far to say we have nissed parts of his game of which ive probably not given enough recognition for.
against geelong he played basically loose man in defense.
the melbourne game who did he play on. they went with two kpds dawes and pederson who imo both had good games. i thought astbury and chaplin had the job on both rance playing mainly third man.
against gws who did he play on. they went with just cameron who spent most of his time down back and patton.
ffs hes basically been free to do what hes done and that is run and rebound and give a chop out where needed.
how soon people forget eh the falling over the mistimed punches the out bodied the out of position, but hey hes a richmond champion and as such he doesnt struggle in any area of the game.
has he been good since coming back he sure has but he isnt being asked to account for a direct opponent too often. that will change.
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:lol
Has some interesting things to say, old Clawski, but humility isnt his strong suit.
i disagree. i could go on just about every threasd here and say i freakin told ya so. yet its only on rare occasions that i do, usually when posters get churlish.
i could say the same very few posters prepared to concede they were wrong.
most posters chop and change on players that much it is laughable. when they have a poor one the abuse em when they have a good one they are on board.
what have i said about rance over the yrs. rember i was big on us drafting this bloke at pick 18 so ive seen him right thru from juniors to colts to senors.
to me his strengths are hes a running defender who is brave and committed. his strenght when defending has been to read the ball in the air and be third man up or cut the ball off in flight which he has done well. he finds plenty of ball and provides great run.
imo his weakesse has always been kicking to a degree, and when isolated 1v1 hes been poor. im sorry if people dont agree with this nut its what i see.
i actually acknowledged his game against geelong and even went as far to say we have nissed parts of his game of which ive probably not given enough recognition for.
against geelong he played basically loose man in defense.
the melbourne game who did he play on. they went with two kpds dawes and pederson who imo both had good games. i thought astbury and chaplin had the job on both rance playing mainly third man.
against gws who did he play on. they went with just cameron who spent most of his time down back and patton.
ffs hes basically been free to do what hes done and that is run and rebound and give a chop out where needed.
how soon people forget eh the falling over the mistimed punches the out bodied the out of position, but hey hes a richmond champion and as such he doesnt struggle in any area of the game.
has he been good since coming back he sure has but he isnt being asked to account for a direct opponent too often. that will change.
I agree with much of what you say clawski but you could level criticism on just about any backman (or even player) in the league. There is nothing wrong with having weaknesses. Every player has them. The point is avoiding them and focussing on your strengths. At the same time over a period you try to improve your weaknesses knowing full well that they usually will never be great, just not quite as weak.
I think Rance has done that to an extent and for that we must give him kudos. Will he get beaten? Of course he will and badly at times. However, what he has been able to do is improve his game so that those times have got less and less. At the same time he has kept up his attacking assets including run out of the backline. He has become one of the best backs in the league and I applaud Rucci for recognising that. His occasional misdirected disposal often gets over highlighted by the media and he then gets bad press which then obscures the fanatical saves he makes that few others in the league would be able to replicate. He has been a great acquisition by our club and he continues to mature and improve.
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Was an absolute howler by Rance that turnover goal but he's still going pretty well.
Damn are we missing Astbury & Vlastuin in defence though.
Dea and and McDonough are very inexperienced and were shown up against the Dons.
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Mdno I agree, but I think Dea looked OK.
If Astbury can continue his progression our back line is looking OK long term. Big issues in every other part of the ground.
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Instead of Alex wasting time making and. posting videos on social media of him sliding in the change rooms earlier this year
Maybe just maybe he could redirect that time on learning his kicking skills on both sides
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While Daniel Jackson still has the skills of a monkey
If we ae making lists of idiots that should train more I don't think ARance 1
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Rance gets chance to atone
Adam McNicol
afl.com.au
June 6, 2014
FRESH from being involved in the "worst piece of play of the year, if not the decade", Richmond defender Alex Rance will get a chance to atone against one of his favourite opponents on Sunday night.
Rance has played four games against North Melbourne since the introduction of the Official AFL Player Ratings, brought to you by Gatorade.
He has averaged 13.7 player ratings points in those matches, compared to an average of 9.7 against the other 16 clubs.
Rance has had an indifferent 2014 season, with some good form mixed with some poor performances and a foot injury that sidelined him for six weeks.
Nevertheless, he has climbed from 135 to 110 on the player ratings table since the season began (his great form last season is the key factor in his rise).
Another player who will come up against one of his favourite opponents in round 12 is North Melbourne's Drew Petrie.
The big forward, who has been off the boil this year, has averaged 19.4 player ratings points in his past four matches against Richmond.
He has averaged just 11.8 points against the other clubs.
In contrast, Geelong star Steve Johnson is coming up against one of his bogey teams this weekend.
Johnson averages only 7.8 players ratings points when he plays the Blues, yet he averages 14.2 against the other 16 clubs.
Fremantle duo Hayden Ballantyne and Tendai Mzungu have similarly poor records against Adelaide.
Ballantyne averages 5.3 fewer points against the Crows than he does against all his other opponents.
Mzungu averages 5.5 points against Adelaide, whereas he averages 9.9 against the other clubs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-06/rances-chance-to-atone
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so rancer players his best against north yet the very type hes supposed to stop in petrie plays his best against richmond.
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Looking forward to that Alex Rance moment
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Well, I think these rankings are a load of poo. Rance is just another player who will need to become less important if we hope to improve. Have to give credit to him though, has been tough taking guns most weeks. Punches above his weight admirably
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so rancer players his best against north yet the very type hes supposed to stop in petrie plays his best against richmond.
And yet Michelangelo Rucci has ARance as the #1 key defensive player in the game. :whistle
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"worst piece of play of the year, if not the decade",
I doubt that very much.^^
So much competition...
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so rancer players his best against north yet the very type hes supposed to stop in petrie plays his best against richmond.
And yet Michelangelo Rucci has ARance as the #1 key defensive player in the game. :whistle
not sure who this rucci fella is, hes entitled to his opinion though. that doesnt make him right. fancy trusting in someone elses opinion rather than your own judgement :o
the simple point i was making is they talk rance up against north yet one of the exact types hes supposed to stop plays his best games against us.you dont see the irony in that. ah well.
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Why hasn't Petrie and Harvey retired
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Why hasn't Petrie and Harvey retired
Because they can count on minimum of one and maximum of two good games for the year
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Rance did one shocking kick sure but it's been unfairly singled out IMO. Plenty have kicked howlers without the scrutiny. Alex's kicking is pretty reliable overall these days.
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Rance did one shocking kick sure but it's been unfairly singled out IMO. Plenty have kicked howlers without the scrutiny. Alex's kicking is pretty reliable overall these days.
In todays day and age slogans and catchcry's are the buzz over substance and truth. Its much easier for commentators to gleefully mention a RANCE MOMENT rather than spend extra time expaining that his kicking is generally pretty good.
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That bad kick from Rance was a rushed, shanked, kick on his wrong foot
Prefer to see that than him turn back into traffic to get onto his preferred foot.
The option was on as he had man in the other pocket free.
All the while he is copping flack for that, the players who made the most infuriating schoolboy mistake of kicking under pressure from the back pocket into the centre corridor dont get a mention.
Stuff me that is a cardinal sin, it is the most dangerous and most stupid kick you make in a game of football and i couldn't believe that I saw it 3 or 4 times in one game.
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That bad kick from Rance was a rushed, shanked, kick on his wrong foot
Prefer to see that than him turn back into traffic to get onto his preferred foot.
The option was on as he had man in the other pocket free.
All the while he is copping flack for that, the players who made the most infuriating schoolboy mistake of kicking under pressure from the back pocket into the centre corridor dont get a mention.
Stuff me that is a cardinal sin, it is the most dangerous and most stupid kick you make in a game of football and i couldn't believe that I saw it 3 or 4 times in one game.
:thumbsup great call Al.
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Late mistake ruins Rance's good night
Tigers defender Alex Rance was on track to take the points against Lance Franklin for the third straight time, but his hard work was undone in the fourth quarter when he gave away a free kick and handed 'Buddy' the goal that gave the Swans the breathing room they needed. Rance, who had held Franklin to one goal in each of his past two matches against the Tigers, performed well for three quarters, with Franklin's two goals to that point coming from set shots beyond 50m. There were a number of one-on-one contests that Rance clearly won, but Franklin was eventually the match-winner with two final-quarter goals to finish with four on a low-scoring night.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-sydney-swans
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Rance was epic on Buddy last night. Is becoming elite as a defender
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He was fantastic and I would say he has been elite for some time :clapping
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Late mistake ruins Rance's good night
Tigers defender Alex Rance was on track to take the points against Lance Franklin for the third straight time, but his hard work was undone in the fourth quarter when he gave away a free kick and handed 'Buddy' the goal that gave the Swans the breathing room they needed. Rance, who had held Franklin to one goal in each of his past two matches against the Tigers, performed well for three quarters, with Franklin's two goals to that point coming from set shots beyond 50m. There were a number of one-on-one contests that Rance clearly won, but Franklin was eventually the match-winner with two final-quarter goals to finish with four on a low-scoring night.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-sydney-swans
WTF who writes poo like this. Rance killed him for 3 quarters. 3 out of 4 l know who the winner is. Rance
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Rance was epic on Buddy last night. Is becoming elite as a defender
Agree. Especially a good matchup for Bud because he's not a great aerialist.
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Rance was epic on Buddy last night. Is becoming elite as a defender
Agree. Especially a good matchup for Bud because he's not a great aerialist.
He's been getting better overhead
Rance is a gun
It's a shame to be some players manic ie. rance
Ande others cruising. Chaplin. Grigg houli etc
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Alex was stuffen AA last night.
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I loved that passage where he beat Franklin in a 1 on 1 then proceeded to run through Goodes. It's these "Rance moments" which the media need to give him credit for.
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The leader emerges.......
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Outplayed Buddy big time, lucky Buddy was kicking well otherwise he would have been well and truly pantsed
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Almost knocked out goodes whilst rance has the ball
Awesome
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I loved that passage where he beat Franklin in a 1 on 1 then proceeded to run through Goodes. It's these "Rance moments" which the media need to give him credit for.
Just about the only key defender that can match franklin for agility, speed and athleticism. He was putting distance on buddy when he ran straight through Goodes, hs some serious wheels
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I've been calling him one of best young defenders in the game for a while now, rancer should be first Backman pencilled for AA :shh
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I loved that passage where he beat Franklin in a 1 on 1 then proceeded to run through Goodes. It's these "Rance moments" which the media need to give him credit for.
Just about the only key defender that can match franklin for agility, speed and athleticism. He was putting distance on buddy when he ran straight through Goodes, hs some serious wheels
Has done so with Buddy for a hird year straight. Last two with Hawthorn we slammed the Hawks in contested footy and any opening they got Rance was alert to the danger and used his strength and agility to nullify him. Given how poor we have been in contested footy this year and how the Swans go about it makes last nights effort on Buddy better than the previous years efforts. Well done Alex Rance. :thumbsup
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as probably rances biggest critic on here if not his only critic im more than happy to acknowledge when he has a great night. once again he showed hes a great match up for for a great player,and had a very good night overall.
still buddy did his job as well kicking 4 goals against an opponent who matches up on him as well as anyone.
regardless of the debate about what rance does well and what types he should match up on im still adamant the club has to go out and find a big bodied kpd. in fact id like another two on the list.
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Rances biggest critic and tom lees biggest fan, enough said isn't it :lol
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I think Astbury showed this year he can be one of those gorillas Clawski. I'm actually not that worried about our backline long term. At least not compared to our forward line anyway.
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Rances biggest critic and tom lees biggest fan, enough said isn't it :lol
you know given the exact same circumstances again id still say give tom lee a chance as a rookie. thats where i wanted us to take him. stkilda saw enough to take him with a pick in the 20s 12 months later.
here you had a 21 yo who tore the wafl apart with consistent high performances. he did everythjing right to deserve another crack at afl footy. none of our younger tall players had have done consistently at state level what tom lee did for two seasons on the trot. given those performances in the same circumstances i would not hesitate to put his name up for a rookie spot.
oh yes im highly critical of a couple areas of rances game and i will remain critical until those areas actually improve.
unlike some (who now have no credability left what so ever) yes bo im looking at you, i dont have rose coloured glasses on when it comes to every single player and every single thing about richmond. i hate to break it to ya bo but alex has weaknesses in his game they have always been there and they likely always will be. you know smart clubs have and smart players learn to play to their strengths. id say rance on franklin allows alex to play to his own strengths.
id say ive been more than justified with my stance on these things the last 2 or 3 yrs when you look at what has transpired. in fact when dealing with posts like yours above i could really just come on here and say i told you so ad nauseum. thing is i dont.
a question ddid alex stop and beat a great marking player. whats that i hear no. he beat a player with the exact same strengths rance has. a player with similar limitations in areas and like rance he cops criticism for them.
im not interested in point scoring unlike yourself. i want to debate what is wrong and why we cant drag this club out of the onfield mire.
give me a big strong f/b ben rutten type, give me a big agile hard running super fit strong aerialist like ben reid at chb and give me every day a tall running defender whos accountable like rance as the third one up every time. what we argue about here is not if he rance can play but the role he should play. his attributes dictate that hes very good in some ares and not so good in others why is that so hard to admit.
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Claw can you name a player without flaws in their game?
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Claw can you name a player without flaws in their game?
Well said. I've made the same comment previously.
Everybody has flaws in their game. Even GA junior probably has a defensive side that could be improved!
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Claw can you name a player without flaws in their game?
Of course he can, he has mentioned him every now and then; a ruckman from WA that didn't play professional but he was commonly known not to have any flaws
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To criticise Alex Rance is to be stuck in the woods desperately waiting for a helicopter to winch him up to seeing the entire forest
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as probably rances biggest critic on here if not his only critic im more than happy to acknowledge when he has a great night. once again he showed hes a great match up for for a great player,and had a very good night overall.
still buddy did his job as well kicking 4 goals against an opponent who matches up on him as well as anyone.
regardless of the debate about what rance does well and what types he should match up on im still adamant the club has to go out and find a big bodied kpd. in fact id like another two on the list.
this time around it started with this . i dont see any criticism of his game against franklin.
if you blokes think rances game is complete and he doesnt deserve any sort of critique at all thats fine by me stick your heads in the sand. im happy to stand by what ive said.
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Rance continues his great form, he is the gun full back of the comp :clapping
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Is he a fb?
Is nick road ff?
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Today he was.
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Has improved out of sight
Dominated NR today although the delivery was poor into NR
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Has improved out of sight
Dominated NR today although the delivery was poor into NR
Has he? Didn't he play like this in u18s for wa?
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The blokes I sit with in discussing Rancy have rated him as a B+,just short of A grade.We reckon his occasional brain fades and sometime sloppy delivery are the only things holding him back from being elite
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Who do they rate as a
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Lids,cotch,martin and jack
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No, key defenders in the afl
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Didn't discuss it judge....we have blinkers on in that we are very punt road oriented
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Bit unfair G , TBh I don't reckon rance would hVe any more brain fades than Martin has had he crushes key forwards like he s shelling peas, winning contested ball like he s doing the two steep ..he is a defender at end of day :shh
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agree Bo...I tend to think dusty has them also
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Rance is A grade now... No doubt.
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He's definitely improved since the stalker was put away, not just a coincidence.
Where do ppl rate him as a KPD compared to other KPD's in the game?
Off the top of my head:
Taylor
Lonergan
Carlisle
Richards
Merrett
Jamieson
Henderson
McPharlin
Mckenzie
Trengove
Talia
Thompson
Garland
Frawley
Reid
N.Brown
That's a pretty good list of key backs and I recon he sits about in the middle just on name alone. Some he doesn't defend as well as (Frawley for example) but his rebound is probably more in the top 3 or 4 of that group. And if you have others who get across and are third man up (Chaplin) Than he becomes one of the best out of that very good group of defenders. He is very athletic and players both tall and small and is not scared to leave his man to help out his team mates and that in it's self is a pretty big bonus that puts him ahead of most others on that list. No secret that he is one of my favorites but I cannot fathem how other on here cannot see his value.... STAR!
pretty well summed up bt :thumbsup If he can keep improving his body on body work deep, he will become a gun... and the more our side improves the better he'll look with Chappy and Grimes giving the chop out. Thing I liked about last week was how Chappy and rance rotated on sooki roo, keeps them from redlining.
A year on.... How do we rate him now against these backman?
For me he is in the top 3, with all things considered. One on ones, general defending, marking, spoiling, rebounding, disposal, courage, work rate, smarts.
IMO easily the best KPD for his age.
Thoughts??
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He's definitely improved since the stalker was put away, not just a coincidence.
Where do ppl rate him as a KPD compared to other KPD's in the game?
Off the top of my head:
Taylor
Lonergan
Carlisle
Richards
Merrett
Jamieson
Henderson
McPharlin
Mckenzie
Trengove
Talia
Thompson
Garland
Frawley
Reid
N.Brown
That's a pretty good list of key backs and I recon he sits about in the middle just on name alone. Some he doesn't defend as well as (Frawley for example) but his rebound is probably more in the top 3 or 4 of that group. And if you have others who get across and are third man up (Chaplin) Than he becomes one of the best out of that very good group of defenders. He is very athletic and players both tall and small and is not scared to leave his man to help out his team mates and that in it's self is a pretty big bonus that puts him ahead of most others on that list. No secret that he is one of my favorites but I cannot fathem how other on here cannot see his value.... STAR!
pretty well summed up bt :thumbsup If he can keep improving his body on body work deep, he will become a gun... and the more our side improves the better he'll look with Chappy and Grimes giving the chop out. Thing I liked about last week was how Chappy and rance rotated on sooki roo, keeps them from redlining.
A year on.... How do we rate him now against these backman?
For me he is in the top 3, with all things considered. One on ones, general defending, marking, spoiling, rebounding, disposal, courage, work rate, smarts.
IMO easily the best KPD for his age.
Thoughts??
Comfortably. His courage, athleticism, agility, speed and rebound is elite - love that he continues to improve: his one on one work, spoiling and general defending has improved out of sight. Noticed he keeps his feet a lot more which shows his core strength is getting better and better. If he keeps this up should be AA this season and well deserved. Just as an add on, looking at that list last year - isn't it amazing at how many of them have gone the other way and dropped right off
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Well said TM , an elite defender no doubt
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Well said TM , an elite defender no doubt
Schoolboy error giving up the goal to Minchington after the one he had at Dreamtime.
Other than that he is tracking beautifully IMHO. :thumbsup
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It's interesting Dimma picks up on the 1 error of Alex Rance in the press conference but doesn't raise the 8 clangers from Matt Thomas?
Dimma could've picked the captain or lids who both kicked and hand balled directly to the opposition last night under no pressure. Or Jack who routinely misses gimmes from 30 metres out.
But no, let's pick on the easy target because he plays back.
It must pee off Alex no end that HE is the one singled out in press conferences when there are so many others who stuff up so much more often.
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That's a backman's lot Y&B. You make an error like that close to goal and you see an opposition goal as a direct result.
Someone further up the field makes an error of the same magnitude and you dont get an immediate consequence.
In fact often someone like rance will save the day as the ball sweeps back into our backline.
Midfielders and forwards get all the glory while backmen cop all the poo, even though they often have to clean up the mess of those further up the ground.
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It's interesting Dimma picks up in the 1 error of Alex Rance in the press conference but doesn't raise the 8 clangers from Matt Thomas?
Dimma could've picked the captain or lids who both kicked and hand balled directly to the opposition last night under no pressure. Or Jack who routinely misses gimmes from 30 metres out.
But no, let's pick on the easy target because he plays back.
It must pee off Alex no end that HE is the one singled out in press conferences when there are so many others who stuff up so much more often.
Hardwick is really grinding my gears.
Focused on the one rance mistake. The one dea mistake then previous week. And no mention of the hundreds in between
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Richmond defender Alex Rance is the best one-on-one player in the AFL
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
July 04, 2014 7:00PM
HE has been dubbed the King of the Brain fade.
But Richmond defender Alex Rance also has legitimate claims to a loftier title as the AFL’s best one-on-one defender.
It was a claim made by Richmond coach Damien Hardwick this week and comprehensively backed up by Champion Data statistics.
As the Tigers attempt to win two straight games for the first time this year, it will again be Rance marshalling the defence against Brisbane.
The man who missed five games this year after bizarrely falling off his bike has twice this year coughed up goals in almost comical fashion.
His shanked left-foot clearance gifted Essendon’s Ben Howlett a Dreamtime at the ‘G goal, and a bungled kick across defence had the same effect against St Kilda.
But after he kept Nick Riewoldt to just one goal and 14 possessions, his coach gave him the ultimate praise.
“I am going to put a huge wrap on the bloke, I don’t think there is a better one on one player in the competition at the moment than Alex,’’ he said.
“He wins the majority of his contests. The other stuff we will probably take. He’s a great talent.”
In the age of the Golden Fist, stats show Rance instead wants to win the battle rather than neutralise the threat.
He has conceded just 13 goals in nine games (four of them to Lance Franklin) but it is the defensive one-on-one contests where he thrives.
Of his 43 contests he has 18 wins at 43 per cent, beating a field of quality defenders including Tom Lonergan (32.5 per cent), Heath Grundy (41.5 per cent), Harry Taylor (34.2 per cent) and Eric Mackenzie (34.5 per cent).
He has neutralised 18 of those 43 contests and lost just seven, also averages 18 possessions and he charges up the field.
“You have got to take the good with the bad,’’ says Hardwick of Rance.
“Alex had an outstanding game against Nick Riewoldt and won that contest and he’s just a better player than that kick across the arc, but I was watching Nick Riewoldt and with the work-rate he puts in, he just puts his bloke into the ground.
“Alex is an outstanding athlete but the decision-making under duress probably comes undone when you are tired.”
Today it will be the Lions mosquito fleet of Dayne Zorko, Josh Green and Lewis Taylor causing Richmond headaches.
But Hardwick will count on Rance to put swingman Daniel Merrett to sleep, even if he can’t guarantee that next brain fade won’t come at any time.
THE AFL’S BEST ONE-ON-ONE DEFENDERS
Alex Rance has conceded just 13 goals in nine games
He has won 41.9 per cent of contests and lost just 16.3 per cent, a positive 25.6 per cent differential.
WIN-LOSS DIFFERENTIAL IN ONE-ON-ONE CONTESTS
THE BEST
Alex Rance (Richmond) +25.6 per cent
Tom Lonergan (Geelong) +22.5 per cent
Heath Grundy (Sydney) +22 per cent
Harry Taylor (Geelong) +21.1 per cent
Eric Mackenzie (West Coast) +19 per cent
THE WORST
Kyle Cheney (Hawthorn) -27.5 per cent
Easton Wood (Western Bulldogs) -26.7 per cent
Zac Dawson (Fremantle) -15.2 per cent
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-defender-alex-rance-is-the-best-oneonone-player-in-the-afl/story-fndv8t7m-1226978113033
Edit: Added link
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Stats don't always tell the story but in this case I think it's pretty clear, Alex Rance is a bloody star! One of the only shinning lights this year.
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Martin and rance for captain.
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Claw?
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Claw?
you called what can ido for you.
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:lol
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;D
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Claw?
you called what can ido for you.
HAHA pay that. In seriousness I'm interested to hear your input on this. You've always had one big criticism of Rance and this is it. Perhaps you focused to much on his bad games (plenty early on) or you just think this is bullocks?
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Everytime he won or halved a contest today against big sauce (which was plenty) the commentators would refer to this stat. Good to see Rance pumped up positively for a change
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Best FB in the comp by a long way :bow
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Has improved every year under Hardwick. Takes the big jobs every week and runs off his man.
Need a Brian Lake type to play alongside him also who can judge the ball well in flight and mark it.
Chaplin is obsolete for us atm. Last year he was that sort of player this year he is anything but. :help
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Chaplin has been pretty good last month, like to know wtf was up for first 9 weeks of season, where he was positively woeful. Him and rance back their are like the old firm ....nice work if you can get it , look out PA, you heard it here first :shh
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Chaplin is hardly impacting contests this year and has become lazy.
Needed the change of environment and it showed last year. This year he is back to being just a defender on an AFL list.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Chaplin has been pretty good last month, like to know wtf was up for first 9 weeks of season, where he was positively woeful. Him and rance back their are like the old firm ....nice work if you can get it , look out PA, you heard it here first :shh
Chaplin is shyte
Makes rance life a lot tougher
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If Rancee didn't turn it on in the second half we would have lost by 3 goals I reckon!
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If Rancee didn't turn it on in the second half we would have lost by 3 goals I reckon!
We shouldve subbed rance then and left chaplin in charge :shh
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Claw?
you called what can ido for you.
HAHA pay that. In seriousness I'm interested to hear your input on this. You've always had one big criticism of Rance and this is it. Perhaps you focused to much on his bad games (plenty early on) or you just think this is bullocks?
needless to say i dont agree with the article or hardwick. but i dont want to sound churlish so all i will say is hes played some rdamn good footy especially in recent weeks.
im happy with the role hes performing but i would really like to see the club get a couple more big bodied kpds on its books regardless of what alex rance does.
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John Longmire is now complaining about Rance's treatment on Buddy
http://www.news.net/article/1588879/longmire-questions-buddy-treatment?referid= (http://www.news.net/article/1588879/longmire-questions-buddy-treatment?referid=)
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I didnt read anything about Rance ^.
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VIDEO: The best of Alex Rance ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-09/the-best-of-rance
Respecting Rance
By Adrian Ceddia
July 9, 2014 5:58 PM
Two of Richmond’s modern-day stars have heaped praise on Tiger defender Alex Rance, as he approaches his 100th AFL game.
Matthew Richardson and Brett Deledio have described Rance as a fierce and incredibly hard-working competitor, meticulous in his preparation, who loves a joke, but cares for his team-mates.
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-09/respecting-rance
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I didnt read anything about Rance ^.
sorry. Actually read it in the Gold Coast Bulletin but the online article is different
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Do you think they'll put Rance or Chaplin on Schulz?
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Do you think they'll put Rance or Chaplin on Schulz?
Depending on whom they go with you will know if we are tanking or not
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Do you think they'll put Rance or Chaplin on Schulz?
Depending on whom they go with you will know if we are tanking or not
hahaha touche :)
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Should have aa. Fb or chb. Wrapped up by now
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Best key defender in the comp right now
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Best key defender in the comp right now
I agree
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not necessarily key defender
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He absolutely pantsed Schulz
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Hes the best defender going round at the moment and probably our best player.I would actually have him shading Dusty for our B&F
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Super effort by the champ today. Pantsed Schulz.
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He is elite and has been for some time :thumbsup
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Gun
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Best on ground today.
Set up the win with his spoiling in defence and his run off his opponent.
Stymied many attacks for Port in the first half and continue in the same vain in the second.
Great game from clearly our best defender.
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I want a round by round analysis from claw.
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boss
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All Australian in my book
Gun
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Gave Shciltz a flogging today and showed him up for the sandbag that he is.
Also gave it to the Port cheer squad when they got into Grimes after the accidental K.O of the Port player and then took his signed footy to them after the game, tossed it over the fence and gave them another serve which I liked.
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But he cannot play on KPF..... Ask Claw :cheers
:gotigers
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Plays taller than he is and has the agility to boot. He is a KPF in my book. No qualms about that. :thumbsup
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Dark horse for B & F....
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Reading BF - opposition supporters reckon Hanson, Gibson(before injury), Talia, Carlile, Hooker, McKenzie all better than rance this season
stuff me..
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I want a round by round analysis from claw.
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C'mon big fella
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Reading BF - opposition supporters reckon Hanson, Gibson(before injury), Talia, Carlile, Hooker, McKenzie all better than rance this season
stuff me..
It's because no one rates us and thus him as a consequence. That's okay. If he didn't miss 4 weeks at the start of the year would be right up pushing Dusty in terms of B&F.
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I want a round by round analysis from claw.
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C'mon big fella
Why don't you add something Chuck instead of writing a line of fluff on nearly everyone else's posts.
(http://media.catmoji.com/post/cqxp/fluffy-cat-with-a-small-face-oo.jpg)
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Have rated this bloke for years. One of the fittest, strongest, quickest and most determined blokes in the league.
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I want a round by round analysis from claw.
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C'mon big fella
Why don't you add something Chuck instead of writing a line of fluff on nearly everyone else's posts.
(http://media.catmoji.com/post/cqxp/fluffy-cat-with-a-small-face-oo.jpg)
Surely you're not questioning the valuable contributions of OER's answer to Shaun Grigg?
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#1 richmond. #5. Afl. One perecenters
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Ordinary dumb thing to throw the Richmond give a away ball into the Port Cheer squad
Childish actually
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Pretty funny
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Champ, great player, always supported him.
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Ordinary dumb thing to throw the Richmond give a away ball into the Port Cheer squad
Childish actually
I actually think he was heading to them as a gesture of reconciliation after the Grimes spat but when he got there he copped another spray and threw the footy over the fence and gave it back.
The cheer squad chucked the footy back on the ground and a security guard handed it to a young Tiger so all ended well.
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Would prefer it if Rance just went over to stick it up them
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Ordinary dumb thing to throw the Richmond give a away ball into the Port Cheer squad
Childish actually
Maybe they earnt it Jackstar?
Bit like a VB ;D
Banter is fine, players aren't robots you know.....
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Playing very well
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Reading BF - opposition supporters reckon Hanson, Gibson(before injury), Talia, Carlile, Hooker, McKenzie all better than rance this season
stuff me..
I can see the argument from Gibson and maybe Hooker but the rest, please. McKenzie was lucky not to give Buddy 6 goals directly from free kicks alone
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Where is claw?
Eerily quiet on Rance lately…..
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Rance has McKenzie covered...
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Rance has McKenzie covered...
He has that whole list covered this year. I recon Hooker has be second best.
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Tiger Alex Rance's opponents have taken a mark 53 per cent of the time (17 of 32) on the lead, the best percentage of the top-50 defenders for 'leads defended'. The AFL average is 80 per cent.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-08/the-inquirer-totally-random-facts
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Has publicly put his hand up to take carlisle tonight. Big Rancer :clapping
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When will Claw put his....ahem......craw up?
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Made Carlisle look like Hampson
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yeah but as dwaino rightly pointed out in the other thread, carlisle was so unlucky not to get 5-6 frees in front of goal, rance even resorted to wrecking his kicking boot
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yeah but as dwaino rightly pointed out in the other thread, carlisle was so unlucky not to get 5-6 frees in front of goal, rance even resorted to wrecking his kicking boot
Yes, but credit should be given to the Trossman for getting away with it. In the end, I thought that gorilla at the other end gave worse to Jack.
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Has to be closing in on All Australian selection. Missed a few games but still....
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yeah but as dwaino rightly pointed out in the other thread, carlisle was so unlucky not to get 5-6 frees in front of goal, rance even resorted to wrecking his kicking boot
Yes, but credit should be given to the Trossman for getting away with it. In the end, I thought that gorilla at the other end gave worse to Jack.
Was just taking the pee about Carlol missing out on frees after the soft mark and cheap free in the first ;D Trossman went awesomely. To think Essendong numpties were calling him buckets only a few weeks ago.
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;D ^^^ :yep
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Beckenbauer
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Best in the business :whistle
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Think I rated him a B+ sometime ago..would like to change that to A now
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Has to be closing in on All Australian selection. Missed a few games but still....
Dice, I might be a little biased but who is going to take his spot as AA Full Back?
Best in the competition at one on ones, averages 17 possessions and 5 marks from the opposition goal square and must be in the top 2 or 3 for lowest goals conceded.
Not sure there is a bigger stand out for AA
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STAR! :bow
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the best key defender we have had over the last 30 years. better than Turner, better than Gaspar better than all the others who played full back or even CHB during the last 3 decades.
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Has to be closing in on All Australian selection. Missed a few games but still....
Dice, I might be a little biased but who is going to take his spot as AA Full Back?
Best in the competition at one on ones, averages 17 possessions and 5 marks from the opposition goal square and must be in the top 2 or 3 for lowest goals conceded.
Not sure there is a bigger stand out for AA
according to most neutral fans on BF, there are about 7 KPD's clearly ahead of Rance this season :lol
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Has to be closing in on All Australian selection. Missed a few games but still....
Dice, I might be a little biased but who is going to take his spot as AA Full Back?
Best in the competition at one on ones, averages 17 possessions and 5 marks from the opposition goal square and must be in the top 2 or 3 for lowest goals conceded.
Not sure there is a bigger stand out for AA
according to most neutral fans on BF, there are about 7 KPD's clearly ahead of Rance this season :lol
Oh well.
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Rance has actually been included into Lloyds "rolling All Australian"
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VIDEO: Rance's new career move: windscreen wiping lol ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-14/rances-retirement-plan-windscreen-wiping
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Always doing silly stuff, could of done a rotator cuff injury
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Bloody star!
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Francis Jackson may not know how to recruit talent but he sure can find wankers.
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lmao
He's such a sissy :shh :lol
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As queer as Elton John but doesn't matter cause he is a gun :shh
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Richmond resurgence rides on Alex Rance's football smarts
Rohan Connolly
The Age
August 21, 2014
Athletes who can play football are a dime a dozen in the AFL age. What’s perhaps at an even greater premium these days are genuine footballers who happen to be athletic. And Richmond might have got lucky on that score with key defender Alex Rance.
For much of the three decades it has mostly languished in the football wilderness, Richmond has been saddled with defences that couldn’t negate that well, and frankly butchered the ball on the rebound.
In his first few years at Punt Road, that was often the knock on Rance as well. But as the Tigers continue their late-season rally, compiling their longest unbeaten streak since their last premiership year of 1980, the tall defender has had a lot to do with both the victories, and the changing of that perception.
Football smarts, and in this case bloodlines, have much to do with it. Rance fares well on both counts, the lessons learnt from his father, former Footscray centre half-back and West Coast captain Murray Rance still invaluable even six seasons into his AFL career and having recently passed the 100-game milestone.
“We try not to overdo it because you lose that father-son relationship and it becomes a bit too businesslike,” Rance told SEN after another solid defensive game on Adelaide’s Taylor Walker last weekend.
“But we definitely do bounce off each other and chat about the different things involved [in a defensive role]. He has taught me a lot, and he does still see the game very well.”
No longer can defenders, even key position players, afford to be purely stoppers. Anticipation of opposing forward thrusts and the ability to rebound has become an integral part of the profile required, and Rance has it down to a fine art.
The Tiger backman has had no peers in the AFL this season when it’s come to cutting off the lead of an opposing key forward. And genuine football nous, along with the confidence of becoming an established part of the senior group, has played a big part, as Rance explained to Fox Footy’s On The Couch last Monday night.
“I’ve come to a point in my career now where I know what works for me and what I feel comfortable doing,” he said. “Some payers are comfortable taking lead lanes, some like to have the contact.”
But knowing which tack to take for which opponent is a key. “For players like Nick Riewoldt, who’s just a machine and chews up the turf, I might take a few more liberties and take the lead space a bit more,” he said.
Against Walker, Rance combined that with a more physical approach than he’s usually taken on his rivals, which managed to at times throw the Crow off his game, finishing the low-scoring scrap with only two goals.
And what can no longer be disputed is Rance’s ability to pick the right option at the right time. Judgment has become a key to his game, and the figures this year indicate just how much.
Rance currently ranks No.1 in the AFL for intercept possessions at an average of 8.1 per game, comfortably ahead of North Melbourne’s Scott Thompson, who has been a serial leader of the statistic.
But increased consistency is also a key. Since the start of 2012, Rance ranks seventh overall for intercept marks, 127 of them over his 59 games in that period. And the more defensive aspects of his job haven’t suffered, either, Rance over the same period sixth overall for spoils.
Indeed, his numbers for disposals, uncontested possession, rebounds, intercept marks, spoils and tackles have been remarkably similar since 2011, just his third season of AFL football.
Rance has become bigger, stronger and obviously more experienced during that time, but football smarts continue to serve him just as well. And perhaps it’s rubbing off on his teammates, too.
“I don’t think we’re any fitter or stronger, I think we’re probably just a smarter group now,” he said after the Adelaide win. “We know when to go, when to locate, and that really shows with the good defensive sides, they know when to run off and it’s not a Russian roulette game, it’s very calculated. I think that’s the main thing we’ve improved on.”
And done so with the articulate and football-smart key backman leading the way.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-resurgence-rides-on-alex-rances-football-smarts-20140820-106ekl.html#ixzz3AxK64Z9F
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If he can keep up the form of his past few years, he'd be our best key back since Francis Bourke.
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We need to realise we have the next Gaspar but better here. Whatever this guy wants we need to pay him as our backline looks fantastic when we see him attacking from defence and setting up play in front of him. Make sure this guy is never poached by another club as we will have a premiership around Rance - He is the General in our backline - no questioning that now...
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Nah, he's just a 3rd tall nothing more, not good enough as KpD
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Sorry Claw but can you show us the stats that back up your claim that "Rance can't play KPD"? Seeing as you just said you confirm what you see with stats this shouldn't be too hard...
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Sorry Claw but can you show us the stats that back up your claim that "Rance can't play KPD"? Seeing as you just said you confirm what you see with stats this shouldn't be too hard...
we have done rance to death, i stick by my comments. if you wish to see my thinking on rance i suggest you peruse the rance thread.
the differing opinion on rance is not on weather he can play but the role he should play based on his 7yrs.
i still think we would be a much better side if rance played the third tall role and we found a say 195cm plud 100kg full back.
i still think alex is very vulnerable when taken deep and forced to play body on body.
statistically he has always found plenty of ball and rebounded. hes always got high 1%ers mostly spoils but imo he has always been suspect when taken deep. most of his 1%ers are intercepts or third man up.
if you think rance has not warranted criticism over the yrs you are kidding your self. has he got better as hes gone along of course.
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we have done rance to death, i stick by my comments. if you wish to see my thinking on rance i suggest you peruse the rance thread.
the differing opinion on rance is not on weather he can play but the role he should play based on his 7yrs.
i still think we would be a much better side if rance played the third tall role and we found a say 195cm plud 100kg full back.
i still think alex is very vulnerable when taken deep and forced to play body on body.
statistically he has always found plenty of ball and rebounded. hes always got high 1%ers mostly spoils but imo he has always been suspect when taken deep. most of his 1%ers are intercepts or third man up.
if you think rance has not warranted criticism over the yrs you are kidding your self. has he got better as hes gone along of course.
David Astbury at 195cm and 95 kg?
:cheers
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Sorry Claw but can you show us the stats that back up your claim that "Rance can't play KPD"? Seeing as you just said you confirm what you see with stats this shouldn't be too hard...
we have done rance to death, i stick by my comments. if you wish to see my thinking on rance i suggest you peruse the rance thread.
the differing opinion on rance is not on weather he can play but the role he should play based on his 7yrs.
i still think we would be a much better side if rance played the third tall role and we found a say 195cm plud 100kg full back.
i still think alex is very vulnerable when taken deep and forced to play body on body.
statistically he has always found plenty of ball and rebounded. hes always got high 1%ers mostly spoils but imo he has always been suspect when taken deep. most of his 1%ers are intercepts or third man up.
if you think rance has not warranted criticism over the yrs you are kidding your self. has he got better as hes gone along of course.
I think the point here is that you think your being honest with yourself.
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we have done rance to death, i stick by my comments. if you wish to see my thinking on rance i suggest you peruse the rance thread.
the differing opinion on rance is not on weather he can play but the role he should play based on his 7yrs.
i still think we would be a much better side if rance played the third tall role and we found a say 195cm plud 100kg full back.
i still think alex is very vulnerable when taken deep and forced to play body on body.
statistically he has always found plenty of ball and rebounded. hes always got high 1%ers mostly spoils but imo he has always been suspect when taken deep. most of his 1%ers are intercepts or third man up.
if you think rance has not warranted criticism over the yrs you are kidding your self. has he got better as hes gone along of course.
David Astbury at 195cm and 95 kg?
:cheers
Rance 194cm and 96kg :whistle
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we have done rance to death, i stick by my comments. if you wish to see my thinking on rance i suggest you peruse the rance thread.
the differing opinion on rance is not on weather he can play but the role he should play based on his 7yrs.
i still think we would be a much better side if rance played the third tall role and we found a say 195cm plud 100kg full back.
i still think alex is very vulnerable when taken deep and forced to play body on body.
statistically he has always found plenty of ball and rebounded. hes always got high 1%ers mostly spoils but imo he has always been suspect when taken deep. most of his 1%ers are intercepts or third man up.
if you think rance has not warranted criticism over the yrs you are kidding your self. has he got better as hes gone along of course.
David Astbury at 195cm and 95 kg?
:cheers
Rance 194cm and 96kg :whistle
whistle all you like. alex is best suited to a thirds tall role imo. yes in saying that hes played some real good footy this yr both as an attacking player and defender.
your missing the point.
the idea is to become a premiership side, having the ability to play rance in the role hes best suited to would mean we have also found a very reliable big bodied one v one f/b and a proven chb.
i still maintain to get to be a contender we need a super reliable f/b who is rarely beaten in any situation some one like rutten or mcpharlin. we need another tall running defender hopefully mcintosh, we need a chb maybe thtats astbury maybe its not.
our list will not get us close to a premiership the bar must be raised and continually raised until we are good enough to challenge.
this thinking of , we dont need anybody else attitude is just rubbish. its time supporters starting raising the bar no more 9th placed finishes, no more having a season fall apart on the back of just a few injuries. build the depth with quality and the success will come.
anyway if people want to discuss rance im happy to go back over to the rance thread. this thread is about gordon and as usual i will stand by what ive said on this bloke as well.
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what person in the afl would be better at player the rance, current role
outside of rance
*that is 30 year old or younger
the coach has claimed rance is the best 'lock down, very reliable big bodied one v one ' tall defender in the league, (or whatever exact phrasing he used), so i await your answer with baited breath :whistle
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what person in the afl would be better at player the rance, current role
outside of rance
*that is 30 year old or younger
the coach has claimed rance is the best 'lock down, very reliable big bodied one v one ' tall defender in the league, (or whatever exact phrasing he used), so i await your answer with baited breath :whistle
so i take it you think we dont need to improve and all the pieces are in place.
dont know if you have looked lately but we will be lucky to win half of our games this yr. is that acceptable to you. ffs beating up on weaker sides or sides hurt by injury or badly out of form doesnt cut it.
and i disagree with the coach not just on this but many things . its not as if the coach has been right about all things now is it. in fact people have been calling for his head hes got that much wrong this yr.
i just wish people would use their own eyes and use their own judgement rather than just trotting out what other people say.
now as i have said if you want to discuss alex rance take it to the rance thread this ones about nathan gordon.
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nb. I've split and moved the Rance discussion in the Gordon thread to here.
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we have done rance to death, i stick by my comments. if you wish to see my thinking on rance i suggest you peruse the rance thread.
the differing opinion on rance is not on weather he can play but the role he should play based on his 7yrs.
i still think we would be a much better side if rance played the third tall role and we found a say 195cm plud 100kg full back.
i still think alex is very vulnerable when taken deep and forced to play body on body.
statistically he has always found plenty of ball and rebounded. hes always got high 1%ers mostly spoils but imo he has always been suspect when taken deep. most of his 1%ers are intercepts or third man up.
if you think rance has not warranted criticism over the yrs you are kidding your self. has he got better as hes gone along of course.
David Astbury at 195cm and 95 kg?
:cheers
Rance 194cm and 96kg :whistle
whistle all you like. alex is best suited to a thirds tall role imo. yes in saying that hes played some real good footy this yr both as an attacking player and defender.
your missing the point.
the idea is to become a premiership side, having the ability to play rance in the role hes best suited to would mean we have also found a very reliable big bodied one v one f/b and a proven chb.
i still maintain to get to be a contender we need a super reliable f/b who is rarely beaten in any situation some one like rutten or mcpharlin. we need another tall running defender hopefully mcintosh, we need a chb maybe thtats astbury maybe its not.
our list will not get us close to a premiership the bar must be raised and continually raised until we are good enough to challenge.
this thinking of , we dont need anybody else attitude is just rubbish. its time supporters starting raising the bar no more 9th placed finishes, no more having a season fall apart on the back of just a few injuries. build the depth with quality and the success will come.
anyway if people want to discuss rance im happy to go back over to the rance thread. this thread is about gordon and as usual i will stand by what ive said on this bloke as well.
I haven't missed the point, I simply don't agree with it. You and one or two other posters talk about Rance ideally being a 3rd tall so he can rebound..... Well playing as a KPD isn't he number 1 in intercepts and one of the top rebounding defenders in the comp anyway? This is on top of him winning more one v one contest against the big forwards in the comp than any other KpD. Sorry claw, I'm whistling bc I think it's time to drop it. He'd be grossly under utilised if he was just a 3rd tall
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claw - you failed to answer my question.
I stated, outside of Rutten and McPharlin both around 32 [Rance is 24] who would you prefer, outside of Richmond, in the Rance role.
what person in the afl would be better at player the rance, current role
outside of rance
*that is 30 year old or younger
the coach has claimed rance is the best 'lock down, very reliable big bodied one v one ' tall defender in the league, (or whatever exact phrasing he used), so i await your answer with baited breath :whistle
so i take it you think we dont need to improve and all the pieces are in place.
Of course I beleive the list needs to be improved.
However, I beleive Rance, Astbury, Grimes is a reasonable solid three KPD. And Darrou and McIntosh provide adequate back up.
dont know if you have looked lately but we will be lucky to win half of our games this yr.
I would not be placing the Rance on blame, personally.
and i disagree with the coach not just on this but many things . its not as if the coach has been right about all things now is it. in fact people have been calling for his head hes got that much wrong this yr.
i just wish people would use their own eyes and use their own judgement rather than just trotting out what other people say.
I do judge with my own eyes.
I have been on the Rance bandwagon, since before drafting him. His videos playing for WA filled me with great emotion. I was particularly taken by his defensive capabilities, rebound and toughness. I made a small yelp of delight when his name was read out, and been in his corner since.
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'filled me with great emotion' :lol
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'have to find others' haha
he's the best 1on1 in the comp
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I reckon all teams would love to have their best defender to have the luxury of playing 3rd tall. But that's just your excuse not to answer the question. What stat's back up that he can't play number 1 defender? I bet you'll find plenty more stats that say he's a damned good one
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I reckon all teams would love to have their best defender to have the luxury of playing 3rd tall. But that's just your excuse not to answer the question. What stat's back up that he can't play number 1 defender? I bet you'll find plenty more stats that say he's a damned good one
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Rance is a gun and has been for 2 years :clapping
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Always gets up for Riewoldt.
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we have done rance to death, i stick by my comments. if you wish to see my thinking on rance i suggest you peruse the rance thread.
the differing opinion on rance is not on weather he can play but the role he should play based on his 7yrs.
i still think we would be a much better side if rance played the third tall role and we found a say 195cm plud 100kg full back.
i still think alex is very vulnerable when taken deep and forced to play body on body.
statistically he has always found plenty of ball and rebounded. hes always got high 1%ers mostly spoils but imo he has always been suspect when taken deep. most of his 1%ers are intercepts or third man up.
if you think rance has not warranted criticism over the yrs you are kidding your self. has he got better as hes gone along of course.
David Astbury at 195cm and 95 kg?
:cheers
Rance 194cm and 96kg :whistle
whistle all you like. alex is best suited to a thirds tall role imo. yes in saying that hes played some real good footy this yr both as an attacking player and defender.
your missing the point.
the idea is to become a premiership side, having the ability to play rance in the role hes best suited to would mean we have also found a very reliable big bodied one v one f/b and a proven chb.
i still maintain to get to be a contender we need a super reliable f/b who is rarely beaten in any situation some one like rutten or mcpharlin. we need another tall running defender hopefully mcintosh, we need a chb maybe thtats astbury maybe its not.
our list will not get us close to a premiership the bar must be raised and continually raised until we are good enough to challenge.
this thinking of , we dont need anybody else attitude is just rubbish. its time supporters starting raising the bar no more 9th placed finishes, no more having a season fall apart on the back of just a few injuries. build the depth with quality and the success will come.
anyway if people want to discuss rance im happy to go back over to the rance thread. this thread is about gordon and as usual i will stand by what ive said on this bloke as well.
I haven't missed the point, I simply don't agree with it. You and one or two other posters talk about Rance ideally being a 3rd tall so he can rebound..... Well playing as a KPD isn't he number 1 in intercepts and one of the top rebounding defenders in the comp anyway? This is on top of him winning more one v one contest against the big forwards in the comp than any other KpD. Sorry claw, I'm whistling bc I think it's time to drop it. He'd be grossly under utilised if he was just a 3rd tall
no one said you have to agree. so we will just have to disagree. for me he doesnt play as a kpd he plays more as a running third tall type. his physical attributes and best strengths imo allow him to play well on the mobile running types like franklin and riewoldt.
i still think him more vulnerable than most when hes caught deep body on body. hence i have regularly advocated we finsd a rutten or mcpharlin type players who can be relied on 99.9 % of the time to win phsical one v one aerial battles.
you would think by reactions over the yrs that ive called rance a dud or he cant play. ive constantly said this is not so. i watched him here as a junior and was adamant we take him at pick 18.
imo his strengths as a junior have become the weapons he uses best as a afl player. the weaknesses he had in his game as a junior still exist. alex has never ever been really strong in the air. hes never imo been a great body on body player. its when hes in motion that he does his best work. you know what lance franklin is the same. the best tall player in the game but buddy has weaknesses.
ive regularly voiced criticism of one area of his game and advocated we use him in a different role than we do. but to change that role we need to find others who can play kpd and play it well.
im sorry if it doesnt sit well with people but alex is not perfect.
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id like a dollar for every time ive been abused on forums for daring to say he should never play deep. and abused for regularly saying the following. is poor in the air makes poor decisions and has poor skills and struggles one on one.
he was drafted in 07 and none of these things has ever truly improved enough. hmm yr 6 and very deficient in absolute key aspects of the game have to say it really is time to look for an alternative option in the key posts. we at the least need another option ready to go.
not saying delist but am saying its time to make him a depth player and its certainly time to give him an alternative role. no more playing deep please 6 yrs of the same mistakes has to be enough for all and sundry surely.
imo what keeps people on his band wagon is he will do all of the criticisms well at times. but invariably he does em poor numerous times as well for a defender the lack of consistency and the cost is just too much.
First page I opened up.
This was last year and you wanted Rance as a depth player??
Come on mate!
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id like a dollar for every time ive been abused on forums for daring to say he should never play deep. and abused for regularly saying the following. is poor in the air makes poor decisions and has poor skills and struggles one on one.
he was drafted in 07 and none of these things has ever truly improved enough. hmm yr 6 and very deficient in absolute key aspects of the game have to say it really is time to look for an alternative option in the key posts. we at the least need another option ready to go.
not saying delist but am saying its time to make him a depth player and its certainly time to give him an alternative role. no more playing deep please 6 yrs of the same mistakes has to be enough for all and sundry surely.
imo what keeps people on his band wagon is he will do all of the criticisms well at times. but invariably he does em poor numerous times as well for a defender the lack of consistency and the cost is just too much.
First page I opened up.
This was last year and you wanted Rance as a depth player??
Come on mate!
yep ive been very consistent in the criticisms ive had of him. the same criticisms go back to when we first drafted him. ive been asking for us to draft a f/b for almost as long as i can remeber. every yr i ask we take our share of talls because we have never ever addressed the issue.
when that post was done there were plenty of people bemoaning the falling over. being out bodied one v one, the mistimed punches misreading of the ball in the air and constantly being caught out of position. i stand by those comments still. i will concede the depth comments a bit over the top
i clearly cant say any more to convince people but i think if we are to become a premiership side we need to find a big bodied 100kg f/b who can go toe to toe deep in defense against the big kpfs freeing rance up to do what he does most of the time now anyway.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
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yep ive been very consistent in the criticisms ive had of him.
You like to talk about how "consistent" you are with your "unwavering" opinion on people like it's something special but to me it makes it seem like you're just stubborn and can't acknowledge the progress and improvement some players make.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
The same could be said of Griff. Played only 32 games and still learning. However big tone and claw are expecting a veteran of 32 games should be tearing it up in the seniors.
How good was Rance after 32 games? How good would he be if he played the majority of his early years with Coburg? Interesting questions....
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
i think in the last 3 or so pages ive acknowleged hes improved a few times. for me though i still think hes suspect deep in one key area of a kpds game.
ive continually stated we need another big strong 1v1 kpd it can only make us a better side.
it gets hard having these debates because people get so precious and up in arms.
so what i think he struggles when asked to play deep 1v1. i want a second high quality kpd who is excellent in this area ffs id like another 2 or 3 tall defenders on our list in an attempt to strengthen up this area and build genuine depth.
He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
The same could be said of Griff. Played only 32 games and still learning. However big tone and claw are expecting a veteran of 32 games should be tearing it up in the seniors.
How good was Rance after 32 games? How good would he be if he played the majority of his early years with Coburg? Interesting questions....
and this is what i mean about precious. what a total distortion of the debate. tone and i have only asked that at the least he perform at a bare minimum acceptable level which just has not happened.
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Claw Astbury looked good in the first 10 games as our big KPD,cant remember are game he got towled up.Question tho if he can stay fit on the park.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
i think in the last 3 or so pages ive acknowleged hes improved a few times. for me though i still think hes suspect deep in one key area of a kpds game.
ive continually stated we need another big strong 1v1 kpd it can only make us a better side.
it gets hard having these debates because people get so precious and up in arms.
so what i think he struggles when asked to play deep 1v1. i want a second high quality kpd who is excellent in this area ffs id like another 2 or 3 tall defenders on our list in an attempt to strengthen up this area and build genuine depth.
He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
The same could be said of Griff. Played only 32 games and still learning. However big tone and claw are expecting a veteran of 32 games should be tearing it up in the seniors.
How good was Rance after 32 games? How good would he be if he played the majority of his early years with Coburg? Interesting questions....
and this is what i mean about precious. what a total distortion of the debate. tone and i have only asked that at the least he perform at a bare minimum acceptable level which just has not happened.
Define bare minimum acceptable level.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
i think in the last 3 or so pages ive acknowleged hes improved a few times. for me though i still think hes suspect deep in one key area of a kpds game.
ive continually stated we need another big strong 1v1 kpd it can only make us a better side.
it gets hard having these debates because people get so precious and up in arms.
so what i think he struggles when asked to play deep 1v1. i want a second high quality kpd who is excellent in this area ffs id like another 2 or 3 tall defenders on our list in an attempt to strengthen up this area and build genuine depth.
He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
The same could be said of Griff. Played only 32 games and still learning. However big tone and claw are expecting a veteran of 32 games should be tearing it up in the seniors.
How good was Rance after 32 games? How good would he be if he played the majority of his early years with Coburg? Interesting questions....
and this is what i mean about precious. what a total distortion of the debate. tone and i have only asked that at the least he perform at a bare minimum acceptable level which just has not happened.
Define bare minimum acceptable level.
I will.... More than 2 touches of the footy.
Also people say he was good on the weekend, he had 7 touches in a game of footy against a team on the bottom of the ladder. And no tackles. Now I'm no mathematician but that's less than 2 touches a quarter for a bloke that has a licence to play basically in at least 3/4 of the ground. In today's footy that's not acceptable even for a big bloke.
Also you say he has only played 32 games, there is a reason for that too. He couldn't get a game in our side SCREAMING out for a KPF to help Jack. They preferred to play McGuane and Edwards over him. Now that speaks for itself.
He has been injured and I except that for part of it but he has been on the list a long time now but delivered very little in those 32 games. To compare him to Rance in anyway shape or form is plain silly.
Good luck to him and I hope he turns it around because make no mistake he needs to.
Stick to your guns Y&BB, there is nothing wrong with supporting the guy but there is also nothing wrong with expecting a lot more from him. :thumbsup
One question for you- if he wasn't 200cm tall and he couldn't kick 60m, would you still rate him as highly? IMO if you take those two things away, he is O'Hanlon.
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If unicorns drove Toyotas, what would be the price of fish in north west Tokyo?
Fun hypothetical there mate but the facta bases in this realm of reality as far as I can see are
He IS 22
He IS 200
He DID kick two goals
He CAN kick 65 meters
If your aunty had a knob she's be your uncle.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
i think in the last 3 or so pages ive acknowleged hes improved a few times. for me though i still think hes suspect deep in one key area of a kpds game.
ive continually stated we need another big strong 1v1 kpd it can only make us a better side.
it gets hard having these debates because people get so precious and up in arms.
so what i think he struggles when asked to play deep 1v1. i want a second high quality kpd who is excellent in this area ffs id like another 2 or 3 tall defenders on our list in an attempt to strengthen up this area and build genuine depth.
He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
The same could be said of Griff. Played only 32 games and still learning. However big tone and claw are expecting a veteran of 32 games should be tearing it up in the seniors.
How good was Rance after 32 games? How good would he be if he played the majority of his early years with Coburg? Interesting questions....
and this is what i mean about precious. what a total distortion of the debate. tone and i have only asked that at the least he perform at a bare minimum acceptable level which just has not happened.
Define bare minimum acceptable level.
I will.... More than 2 touches of the footy.
Also people say he was good on the weekend, he had 7 touches in a game of footy against a team on the bottom of the ladder. And no tackles. Now I'm no mathematician but that's less than 2 touches a quarter for a bloke that has a licence to play basically in at least 3/4 of the ground. In today's footy that's not acceptable even for a big bloke.
Also you say he has only played 32 games, there is a reason for that too. He couldn't get a game in our side SCREAMING out for a KPF to help Jack. They preferred to play McGuane and Edwards over him. Now that speaks for itself.
He has been injured and I except that for part of it but he has been on the list a long time now but delivered very little in those 32 games. To compare him to Rance in anyway shape or form is plain silly.
Good luck to him and I hope he turns it around because make no mistake he needs to.
Stick to your guns Y&BB, there is nothing wrong with supporting the guy but there is also nothing wrong with expecting a lot more from him. :thumbsup
One question for you- if he wasn't 200cm tall and he couldn't kick 60m, would you still rate him as highly? IMO if you take those two things away, he is O'Hanlon.
Good post
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Not really.Expect Melb footscary saints Brisbane to offer big money. Don't be surprised if he another Schultz. Buy I spose we can suck each other off in our future mutual vindication "oh yes but that game as a 22/year he kicked those two goals, he should have got more possessions"
Meanwhile here we are sitting here, basking in dimma aura of topping full speed ahead - building our core around hampson. Aaron Edwards. Orren. Salivating at the prospect at delisting every young bloke over 6'2 on the list just as Elton Darrou mcintosh." Loverly.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
i think in the last 3 or so pages ive acknowleged hes improved a few times. for me though i still think hes suspect deep in one key area of a kpds game.
ive continually stated we need another big strong 1v1 kpd it can only make us a better side.
it gets hard having these debates because people get so precious and up in arms.
so what i think he struggles when asked to play deep 1v1. i want a second high quality kpd who is excellent in this area ffs id like another 2 or 3 tall defenders on our list in an attempt to strengthen up this area and build genuine depth.
He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
The same could be said of Griff. Played only 32 games and still learning. However big tone and claw are expecting a veteran of 32 games should be tearing it up in the seniors.
How good was Rance after 32 games? How good would he be if he played the majority of his early years with Coburg? Interesting questions....
and this is what i mean about precious. what a total distortion of the debate. tone and i have only asked that at the least he perform at a bare minimum acceptable level which just has not happened.
Define bare minimum acceptable level.
I will.... More than 2 touches of the footy.
Also people say he was good on the weekend, he had 7 touches in a game of footy against a team on the bottom of the ladder. And no tackles. Now I'm no mathematician but that's less than 2 touches a quarter for a bloke that has a licence to play basically in at least 3/4 of the ground. In today's footy that's not acceptable even for a big bloke.
Also you say he has only played 32 games, there is a reason for that too. He couldn't get a game in our side SCREAMING out for a KPF to help Jack. They preferred to play McGuane and Edwards over him. Now that speaks for itself.
He has been injured and I except that for part of it but he has been on the list a long time now but delivered very little in those 32 games. To compare him to Rance in anyway shape or form is plain silly.
Good luck to him and I hope he turns it around because make no mistake he needs to.
Stick to your guns Y&BB, there is nothing wrong with supporting the guy but there is also nothing wrong with expecting a lot more from him. :thumbsup
One question for you- if he wasn't 200cm tall and he couldn't kick 60m, would you still rate him as highly? IMO if you take those two things away, he is O'Hanlon.
Of course I would not. But as the good judge has said he is.
Big tone, you do realise he is 17th in the whole league for contested marks? He rucks quite a bit too so you should include tap outs in his stats. He also does average over 9 possessions per game. The game he had two possessions he was poor but he was subbed off too so didn't play a whole game.
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He also had 12 hitouts and took 5 marks.
No way I'd lose this kid when he's finally showing a bit more. Anybody who can't see it isnt watching properly.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
i think in the last 3 or so pages ive acknowleged hes improved a few times. for me though i still think hes suspect deep in one key area of a kpds game.
ive continually stated we need another big strong 1v1 kpd it can only make us a better side.
it gets hard having these debates because people get so precious and up in arms.
so what i think he struggles when asked to play deep 1v1. i want a second high quality kpd who is excellent in this area ffs id like another 2 or 3 tall defenders on our list in an attempt to strengthen up this area and build genuine depth.
He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
The same could be said of Griff. Played only 32 games and still learning. However big tone and claw are expecting a veteran of 32 games should be tearing it up in the seniors.
How good was Rance after 32 games? How good would he be if he played the majority of his early years with Coburg? Interesting questions....
and this is what i mean about precious. what a total distortion of the debate. tone and i have only asked that at the least he perform at a bare minimum acceptable level which just has not happened.
Define bare minimum acceptable level.
I will.... More than 2 touches of the footy.
Also people say he was good on the weekend, he had 7 touches in a game of footy against a team on the bottom of the ladder. And no tackles. Now I'm no mathematician but that's less than 2 touches a quarter for a bloke that has a licence to play basically in at least 3/4 of the ground. In today's footy that's not acceptable even for a big bloke.
Also you say he has only played 32 games, there is a reason for that too. He couldn't get a game in our side SCREAMING out for a KPF to help Jack. They preferred to play McGuane and Edwards over him. Now that speaks for itself.
He has been injured and I except that for part of it but he has been on the list a long time now but delivered very little in those 32 games. To compare him to Rance in anyway shape or form is plain silly.
Good luck to him and I hope he turns it around because make no mistake he needs to.
Stick to your guns Y&BB, there is nothing wrong with supporting the guy but there is also nothing wrong with expecting a lot more from him. :thumbsup
One question for you- if he wasn't 200cm tall and he couldn't kick 60m, would you still rate him as highly? IMO if you take those two things away, he is O'Hanlon.
That was 1 game BT, he had a shocker no qualms about it. Funnily enough he averages about 1.5 possessions less than Vickery who you give a pass mark too. Not much difference at all except one has played about 50 more games so its fair to say I and most people would expect a lot more from Vickery, especially given that Griff has him in tackles, 1%ers and contested marks.
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He's improved his body work and 1 on 1 contest work substantially now claw, very different to when he was 21 and still learning the caper as well as still developing physically.
i think in the last 3 or so pages ive acknowleged hes improved a few times. for me though i still think hes suspect deep in one key area of a kpds game.
ive continually stated we need another big strong 1v1 kpd it can only make us a better side.
it gets hard having these debates because people get so precious and up in arms.
so what i think he struggles when asked to play deep 1v1. i want a second high quality kpd who is excellent in this area ffs id like another 2 or 3 tall defenders on our list in an attempt to strengthen up this area and build genuine depth.
Claw, I agree with a fair bit of what you say, although with all due respect I find you too black and white with your opinions. Just because Im disagreeing with you, doesn't mean Im up in arms about it.
Astbury showed this season he can be that extra big KPD - now whether injury will alow him to first get back to the consistency he showed this season, and then develop further - next season will tell the tale. The thing that struck me about this season was once he went down Rance stepped up and has done a stirling job deep. Last I'll say about it, but he's improved heaps and is now very competent in all aspects
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Claw Astbury looked good in the first 10 games as our big KPD,cant remember are game he got towled up.Question tho if he can stay fit on the park.
i would agree. he has when fit at times shown plenty. im still not sure if hes arrived or will.
like griffiths this bloke was drafted in 09 and has managed just 4 more games than griffiths with 37 ???. hes injury prone and has some deficiencies that are of concern.
look im all for hanging onto nearly all of our talls but i would be looking to off load one of vickery griffiths because of type and the simple fact with mcbean we have 3 of the same.
my preference to trade is clearly vickery who i have never ever really rated. i only mention griffiths as trade because hes uncontracted.
imo and that is all it is i think hanging onto existing tall fwds is preventing us from looking at and taking more tall fwds and we need different types to the ones we have imo.
id give my right arm to add as a type of tall fwd to our list players like tyler kietel or tom lamb both third tall type fwds. id also like a mckenzie or mccartin type. pure fwds who have the scope to become power fwds.
id love to add a player like calb marchbank if we went after a defender imo he will become a v good 1v1 tall defender.
all im saying is lets add to what we have and where possible trade players to get a needed type.
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yep we've been lacking a darling/hammill type 3rd tall for goodness knows how long - as a club we just don't seem to ever take them.
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Aaron Edwards is rubbish but kind of fits that mode
I would say deledio is not too far off
Next year
1. Jack
2. Grigg / Vickery
3. Bean
Deledio isyour 4th forward
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Best player of the team
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As per claw.
Average player.
GTFO.
Absolute lion.
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Absolute stuffing champ, no doubt we would of lost without him, no doubt!!!!!!!
No bike riding for him in the off season... :lol
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Might be best player in the game. :shh
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Absolute stuffing champ, no doubt we would of lost without him, no doubt!!!!!!!
No bike riding for him in the off season... :lol
Wouldn't have won without Edwards too WA. Played very well.
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Absolute stuffing champ, no doubt we would of lost without him, no doubt!!!!!!!
No bike riding for him in the off season... :lol
Wouldn't have won without Edwards too WA. Played very well.
Went well but could of really played better.. :thumbsup
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Clone him
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Absolute stuffing champ, no doubt we would of lost without him, no doubt!!!!!!!
No bike riding for him in the off season... :lol
Wouldn't have won without Edwards too WA. Played very well.
Went well but could of really played better.. :thumbsup
You bloody beauty!! :cheers
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All Australian!
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Absolute champion player. Well done Alex, thank god Dimma didn't trade you ::)
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RANCE is GOD of the Tigers
:gotigers
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Canonise the bloke!
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Superstar and the best key position defender we have had in over 30 years
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AA
stuff McKenzie, Hooker and Talia, this bloke is the best all round package
3 massive votes tonight
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Harrghh delist
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Canonise the bloke!
:cheers
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Claw says no good one on one.....
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All game he was terrific but the guts, courage, leadership in the last 10 minutes was something to be proud of. He was brilliant and well done to him.
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Claw says no good one on one.....
one on one he is very strong. Did you see those 2 freak marks ;D
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Claw says no good one on one.....
Not only beat Tippett in halving the contest, but out marked him all night.
Bloody star
:gotigers
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Claw says no good one on one.....
Not only beat Tippett in halving the contest, but out marked him all night.
Bloody star
:gotigers
Ripped the Australian of the year a new hole when he went to ff, too
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He s as AA as u could possibly get , a dead set champion
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He s as AA as u could possibly get , a dead set champion
Is "that your take" BJ? :lol
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He s as AA as u could possibly get , a dead set champion
Is "that your take" BJ? :lol
its the latest mail
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I don't care about my restraining order. I'm going to start stalking him again
He is GOD
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I want him to have my cherry.
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In all seriousness he has become a better player than his old man and his old man could play just quietly. Murray was a great player for footscray Alex seems to have gone past him.
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3 votes tonight.
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3 votes tonight.
10 coaches votes too.
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This guy is goooooooooood..........
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
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This guy can have my Baby!!!
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
lol.
what can i say, very good game among a few hes had this yr.
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
lol.
what can i say, very good game among a few hes had this yr.
Claw, look mate, honestly, I like some of your posts mate and your passion but you need to yield here buddy, you have been completely wrong about Rance, from the start.
Either get on board with this bloke or eat poo and stuff off....
Grow a set, stand up and say you were wrong and back him in!!!.. All Australian!! :wallywink :thumbsup
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
His kicks out of bounds nearly cost us the game, should've been done for in the back on Tippet and the McVeigh goal was partly his fault......
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
His kicks out of bounds nearly cost us the game, should've been done for in the back on Tippet and the McVeigh goal was partly his fault......
Agree need to trade for a third rounder
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
His kicks out of bounds nearly cost us the game, should've been done for in the back on Tippet and the McVeigh goal was partly his fault......
Agree need to trade for a third rounder
I thought you'd say 4th rounder Chucky. You're slipping mate!
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
His kicks out of bounds nearly cost us the game, should've been done for in the back on Tippet and the McVeigh goal was partly his fault......
Agree need to trade for a third rounder
I thought you'd say 4th rounder Chucky. You're slipping mate!
Well he did have sort of an OK game yesterday
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
His kicks out of bounds nearly cost us the game, should've been done for in the back on Tippet and the McVeigh goal was partly his fault......
Agree need to trade for a third rounder
I thought you'd say 4th rounder Chucky. You're slipping mate!
Dud, delist.
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
His kicks out of bounds nearly cost us the game, should've been done for in the back on Tippet and the McVeigh goal was partly his fault......
Agree need to trade for a third rounder
I thought you'd say 4th rounder Chucky. You're slipping mate!
Well he did have sort of an OK game yesterday
That he did! :thumbsup
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A word from some of his critics on here would be timely
His kicks out of bounds nearly cost us the game, should've been done for in the back on Tippet and the McVeigh goal was partly his fault......
Now do Chaplin!
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Alex Rance deserves to be in All-Australian reckoning after his final term rescues Tigers’ finals hopes
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
September 1, 2014
DAMIEN Hardwick has lamented “Alex Rance moments”.
He can now laud the Alex Rance moment.
It wasn’t a single act of courage or desperation — it was a quarter of courage and desperation.
“He is a warrior of a competitor,” Tigers great Matthew Richardson said of Rance yesterday.
Heroes were plentiful for Richmond on Saturday night and in a wonderfully tense game and an epic final 10 minutes, every possession, every tackle and every knock-on played its role in the victory.
It is said often, sometimes without substance, but this was certainly one for the ages.
Mostly everyone who watched would have a story of euphoria. The pubs in Swan St, which is Richmond’s heartland, rocked at the final siren. They were crazy scenes. New Year’s Eve 10 times over.
It had you thinking, if this is what happens for a home and away game, albeit one of significance, God give us strength if the nine-week fairytale continues for another month.
They couldn’t ... could they?
They play Port Adelaide next Sunday at Adelaide Oval and it shouldn’t be a journey of fear.
The Tigers this season have beaten Brisbane, West Coast, Greater Western Sydney, Adelaide and now Sydney on the road. The one contest against Port Adelaide — at Etihad in Round 17 — saw victory by 20 points.
The Tigers believe which is arguably the most important component of competing.
And perhaps there’s no more a fierce competitor at Punt Rd than Alex Rance.
His performance against the Swans was simply magic. All week he would’ve been thinking Franklin, Franklin, Franklin. Imagine it. Going to sleep every night knowing you have to stop the most devastating big forward in the game and that if you didn’t, the game was probably lost.
Then Lance Franklin was out of the team. Rance had to re-set mentally.
He would play on Kurt Tippett for half the game, on Dean Towers for 22 minutes, Adam Goodes for 18 minutes and Sam Reid for 14 minutes.
He conceded just 12 disposals, two marks and a single goal.
Numbers are not nearly adequate to describe Rance’s influence.
Football is about executing in the moment. It’s about standing up when the pressure is at its most savage and the moment at its most telling. It’s these moments which define champions.
Rance is not a champion, but he played a champion’s game.
His final quarter was a bomb. He had six intercept possessions, four of which were marks, five spoils and two tackles.
He was colossal, and yet even at the death there was an Alex Rance moment.
After his final mark, all Rance had to do was find a teammate or kick to a contest down the line. He kicked it out of bounds on the full. There was forgiveness for Rance had been mighty, but if the Tigers had lost, that moment would be remembered.
Teammate Jack Riewoldt said yesterday he told Rance after the game it was the best quarter he’s seen anyone play. “Defensively we could not have asked for more out of Alex,” Jack said.
Of course, there’s been better quarters but Riewoldt’s comments reflect the magnitude of Richmond’s performance in the second half of the season.
Everything about it is huge and memorable and epic.
At Round 14, Port Adelaide was on top of the ladder with 11 wins and Richmond was equal bottom with Brisbane and St Kilda with three wins. That’s epic.
Rance’s worth as All Australian is absolute.
He’s played 17 games which should be enough. He played Round 1, missed five games because of injury (he fell off a bike, fracturing a foot) and returned for Round 7.
Since then he has been ranked No.1 for intercept possessions with 132, 12 ahead of the next best, teammate Troy Chaplin. He’s also ranked No.1 for intercept marks in the same period.
He is a one-on-one beast, winning 41 per cent of the contests. The league average is 29 per cent.
Crucial, too, is the fact he’s given up just 23 goals in 17 games, with four of them coming via Franklin in Round 14.
An All-Australian jumper clearly beckons.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/alex-rance-deserves-to-be-in-allaustralian-reckoning-after-his-final-term-rescues-tigers-finals-hopes/story-fnect155-1227042962743
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He is a champion to tiger fans!
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Alex Rance deserves to be in All-Australian reckoning after his final term rescues Tigers’ finals hopes
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
September 1, 2014
Rance is not a champion, but he played a champion’s game.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/alex-rance-deserves-to-be-in-allaustralian-reckoning-after-his-final-term-rescues-tigers-finals-hopes/story-fnect155-1227042962743
He is most definitely a champion!
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not a champion my ass
robbo has nfi
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Champion is a term far too loosely used.
He is FAR from a champion yet.
Robbo is correct.
However, he could reach those levels one day and I think he will.
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Champion is a term far too loosely used.
He is FAR from a champion yet.
Robbo is correct.
However, he could reach those levels one day and I think he will.
Depends on ones definition of the word champion!
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Well I did not see Vic Thorp or Gordon Strang. But hes the best I've seen
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Well I did not see Vic Thorp or Gordon Strang. But hes the best I've seen
Those two went ok.
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Rance is well on the way to becoming a champion footballer
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Rance is well on the way to becoming a champion footballer
On the way is correct. Not there yet IMO.
He is a superstar footballer though no doubt, and we are lucky to have him!
As for my version of a champion. Currently Ablett is a champion. Possibly Judd. A few others.
Modern Richmond champions. Maybe Richo?
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Rance is well on the way to becoming a champion footballer
On the way is correct. Not there yet IMO.
He is a superstar footballer though no doubt, and we are lucky to have him!
As for my version of a champion. Currently Ablett is a champion. Possibly Judd. A few others.
Modern Richmond champions. Maybe Richo?
I do see where you're coming from but the players you mentioend, Ablett and Judd play in the midfield.
Rance is a KPD. And as far as KPD in my eyes he is a champion.
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Some nuffer said he had a bad game 2 weeks ago and people have short memories. Didn't he keep Walker to 2 goals? :lol
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Got into a very heated discussion with non richmond folk that claim rance is not 'elite', as he needs another 2014 like hear '15, before being in such a category
:banghead
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If I was gunna turn
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Got into a very heated discussion with non richmond folk that claim rance is not 'elite', as he needs another 2014 like hear '15, before being in such a category
:banghead
And who did these peanuts barrack for?
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Got into a very heated discussion with non richmond folk that claim rance is not 'elite', as he needs another 2014 like hear '15, before being in such a category
:banghead
It wasn't Claw was it? :lol
:thumbsup claw
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Got into a very heated discussion with non richmond folk that claim rance is not 'elite', as he needs another 2014 like hear '15, before being in such a category
:banghead
And who did these peanuts barrack for?
Melbourne, collingwood
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'Alex is another warrior': Houli's faith in Rance
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
December 9, 2014
BACHAR Houli believes Richmond's All Australian defender Alex Rance will follow captain Trent Cotchin's lead and reject the lure of free agency.
Cotchin, 24, set his course to be a one-club player last week when he signed a five-year contract extension with the Tigers.
He and Rance were the highest-profile players from Punt Road set to come out of contract at the end of next season and potentially enter the free agency market.
While Rance is yet to re-sign, Houli believes the West Australian will commit and continue to be a part of an emerging Tigers' list.
"I've got faith in him (Rance) that he'll stay. You don't want to see anyone leave, especially good players and good people," Houli told AFL.com.au this week.
"That's what our club is built on; great characters. That was Dimma's (coach Damien Hardwick) philosophy from day one.
"Alex is another warrior who loves the club, loves success and being a part of that group, especially a young group growing up at Tigerland."
Rance last signed a deal back in June 2013, taking him through to the end of next season.
While the two-year agreement has left Rance open to free agency approaches in less than 12 months' time, Houli says there is no doubt the defender loves being at Punt Road.
"I don't know what the reasons are for him (Rance) not committing to the club longer than what he did but he knows what's best for him,” he said.
"But he just loves being at the club, just like Trent, and that's what you want – you want guys who want to be there and see success."
Houli said Cotchin’s re-signing had given the players a lift last week when they endured a tough seven-day pre-season training camp in Townsville.
"Being very close mates with Trent, I'm rapt to see him sign on for another five years," he said.
"It's just great to see legends of the club, leaders of a great football club remain and have so much belief in the club.
"He does – he has so much belief and he thinks we have something special coming up."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-09/alex-is-another-warrior
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Rance's value rising
After an excellent game against the Blues in round one, Tigers defender Alex Rance continued that form with a commanding display at the MCG on Saturday. Matched up against Bulldogs forward Tom Boyd, Rance was impenetrable: he seemed to be everywhere intercepting marks, cleaning up the spoils, holding the Bulldogs at bay when he could and then bolting off. Without him there, the Tigers looked shaky in defence and he gathered 28 disposals and 13 marks. In this form Rance is one of the most valuable key backmen in the game, which bodes well for the 25-year-old who has so far put off contract talks until with Richmond.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-11/dogs-get-some-forward-bite
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Gone, see you mate. Why the stuff would you stay with this pack of stuffing losers....
Last nights game sealed it for him.BOG in in loser side, total losers.
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Can you leave with him
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I'll drive him to the airport
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I'll drive him to the airport
Yep, you may as well bro, he is gone, flogged his guts out yesterday for the pathetic imbicels they call a team.
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I wanna barrack for GWS because
Everything is awesome.
Everything is cool when you're part of a team
Everything isawesome, when you're living the dream.
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Rance wants to play in a finals team with finals players.
He's gone at seasons end for sure.
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If he stays at RFC he will be in a home by the time he's 35. Save yourself Rance! Save yourself from the circus !
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Only one who deserved a pat on the back yesterday. Absolute animal and leader. Should be captain. Consider him gone unless things change drastically
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rance > dangerfield
rance would win brownlow under ross lyon
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apparently not in the top 50 best players in the comp..
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I'd understand if he wants to go but if he truly loves the club he'd stay. Can't have it both ways
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Watched his closely yesterday and he is the best keg back in the business. Competitive animal that runs even when he has no more left in the tank, champion!
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Just give him the chequebook and let him write down the figure he wants.
Just do it tigers!
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Just give him the chequebook and let him write down the figure he wants.
Just do it tigers!
Its going to cost Richmond $4 million over 5 years to keep him IMHO.
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There is no point getting a Dangerfield and losing Rance. Even worse would be losing him and getting no one which is probably more likely.
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There is no point getting a Dangerfield and losing Rance. Even worse would be losing him and getting no one which is probably more likely.
Absolutely agree with you on that. Keeping Rance must be the first priority then target some players who wont cost as much as Dangerfield.
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Just give him the chequebook and let him write down the figure he wants.
Just do it tigers!
Its going to cost Richmond $4 million over 5 years to keep him IMHO.
probably a fair price. in three years there will numerous players on $1 mil a year, and if continues the way is he would be one of them if he was negotiating a contract then
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I mean right now..hes our best player by the length of the flemington straight
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Let's put it this way if 4 kick Tom Boyd is on 1.2 a year, rance is worth 10m a season :shh
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hes worth a lot cause he is a gun
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Rance should be captain. Said it for a while now.
Yeah he has his comical side but you need balance. Speaks wonderfully in the media and plays like Tarzan as the best defender in competition. Who wouldn't play their heart out with a leader like Rance.
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a homophobe?
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Funny stuff reading through all the old posts of Ranceeee, from 2009 onwards. Where he has been to where he is now. How times have changed and how people have changed...........
Just shows the love for the yellow & black.
:gotigers
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not that there is anything wrong with that but a fair question Alberto
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Rance's defensive development ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-04-20/rances-defensive-development
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Rance > Danger
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Rance + Danger = Ranger
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Danger and Rance = Dance. :dancing
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Dance + Tross = Trance
(http://www.e-moticone.com/emoticone/musique/concer-techno.gif)
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:lol
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;D ;D
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Dance + Tross = Trance
(http://www.e-moticone.com/emoticone/musique/concer-techno.gif)
that looks like one of 65s greenie conventions
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I was thinking hillsong.
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I was thinking hillsong.
yep your right ;D
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It's actually not funny unless you are a Gen X homophobe clutching at straws to try and belittle in order to amuse.
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Alex Rance can lay claim to being the best key defender in the AFL
Matt Murnane
The Age
April 22, 2015
If Richmond are unable to come to terms with soon-to-be free agent Alex Rance, and he walks to another club or from the game altogether, then the Tigers will lose one of the league's best defenders.
We know that because the All-Australian selectors told us so last year.
But if the Tigers star continues his rise, it might be that coach Damien Hardwick risks losing the best defender in the league come the end of the season.
Since his mighty performance against the Western Bulldogs in round two, the conversation around Rance has lifted a notch, and not just because his contract status and intentions for the future have made him a hot topic.
Having received due recognition in 2014 for his escalating impact, Rance appears to have taken his game to a new level in 2015, prompting former Brisbane Lions champion Jonathan Brown and others to ponder this week: "Is he the best key defender in the league?"
The man who plays on him more than anyone, albeit at training, is certain that is the case.
"He's the best defender in the league," teammate Jack Riewoldt insisted in an appearance on Fox Footy's On The Couch this week.
"His ability to play on talls and smalls, he is really quick and really fit but can also bench 150 kilograms in the gym," he said.
"His actual footy nous has improved. He really thinks about the game and is strong in our meetings.
"His ability to win the ball back is certainly something he has added to his bow. We saw that in the Bulldogs game, but I think the biggest stage we saw it on was against Sydney in round 23 last year when he had four or five intercept marks in the last quarter."
You would be hard pressed to put anyone ahead of Rance at the moment. Contenders to rate him against for both offensive and defence output, in no particular order, might be Hawthorn's Brian Lake, Adelaide's Daniel Talia, Geelong's Harry Taylor, North Melbourne's Scott Thompson, injured West Coast Eagle Eric Mackenzie, while Essendon are blessed to have both Cale Hooker and Michael Hurley, who are fast developing into an elite pairing.
And there are others, such as Hawk Josh Gibson and perhaps Fremantle's Michael Johnson, who you could argue belong in a different category, although no less effective.
From a statistical viewpoint, not to mention impact, Melbourne's Tom McDonald is another who deserves to be in the discussion.
Although still under the radar, McDonald ranks No.1 for spoils, No. 2 for intercept possessions and equal third for intercept marks and score launches.
Rance is the other player who ranks highly in all those key categories for defenders, having been prolific for some time.
Terry Wallace was the coach of Richmond when the club drafted Rance in 2007, happy to take him as a first-round priority selection under the belief he would become a "12- to 14-year key defender".
Back then, his willingness to "put his body on the line" and his "competitor instincts" were his most endearing features, and Wallace said they were trademarks Rance had not lost even as he had morphed into an elite two-way player.
He still does the stuff that "doesn't necessarily come up on the stat sheet", although for the one per centers that are measured internally, Rance led the Tigers in 2014.
But more than that, it is the 25-year-old's offensive capabilities — not only saving goals but then re-starting chains that led to them at the other end — that Wallace sees as the major improvement in Rance's game, and the reason behind his rising reputation.
"His reading of the game, and his understanding of when to go and when to hold is where he has become a really important player," Wallace said.
More than the quantity of his possessions, is the quality that stands out now, too. There was a time, Wallace recalled, when Rance was too "gung-ho, bull-at-a-gate" for his own good, but this year he ranks No.1 among defenders for disposal efficiency, finding a target with 91 per cent of his touches, up from 80 per cent last year.
"He was one that could easily overrun the ball ... or bite off too much, trying to take on the opposition either by running or by transferring play," he said.
Wallace agreed with Riewoldt that a key factor for Rance in the "league's best defender debate" was his ability to blanket and bounce off players of all sizes, from "gorilla" forwards down.
His record on the best key forward in the game, Sydney superstar Lance Franklin, is outstanding and is one of several reasons why rival clubs, especially those from his home state of Western Australia and other top teams hoping to challenge Sydney and Franklin in the next few years would have huge interest in him.
Hardwick said on Monday that the club had "no doubt" Rance would re-sign, however reports late last week confirmed that the delay on his decision might not be purely football-related, as he is considered a player open to the idea of ending his career early – perhaps even next year - to pursue other interests such as travel.
Wallace said Rance would be a "massive loss" to the Tigers, a fact that was proven when he missed five games early last season.
"When you lose key defenders, it has a bigger impact than people recognise. I think they are the hardest players to replace," he said.
Wallace said he expected clubs to push hard for Rance with Godfather-style offers, but hoped for Richmond's sake that he stayed at Punt Road.
"They've got a group there all in the right age bracket ready to challenge in the next few years. When you get a group of guys in that position, you don't want to lose one of the key ones," said Wallace, who also played for the Tigers during his distinguished career.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/alex-rance-can-lay-claim-to-being-the-best-key-defender-in-the-afl-20150421-1mq0dz.html
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:facepalm
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I think he's still behind Harry Taylor as Taylor has been very good for quite some time now. I don't think Rance is far behind though.
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Notable that the figures for Tom McDonald are better than Rance for each category except disposal efficiency.
Still at least we had DEAN McDonald for six months as our pick before Tom.
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Tom Macdonald is a dud. Make no mistake :shh
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Alex Rance’s looming free agency could burn Richmond, writes Alastair Lynch
Alastair Lynch
The Courier-Mail
April 26, 2015
THE Brisbane Lions’ interest in Richmond’s All Australian defender Alex Rance is perfectly understandable.
As is the frustration the Tigers must feel to see a bloke they have invested eight years in, developing into one of the game’s best key position players, able to potentially walk out the door.
Rance is classified as an unrestricted free agent, having given eight years of service to the club and not being in the top 25 per cent of earners at Punt Road.
As an unrestricted free agent, the Lions – or the Dockers from his home state of WA – can come along with a big cash offer without Richmond having the right to match it and retain his services.
Basing free agency on whether a player is in the top nine earners can be misleading.
While it is not the case with Rance, a club’s stage of list development often means contracts for big-name players are front-ended for salary cap balancing reasons.
James Frawley was on such a contract and therefore, in the final year of his deal, not in the top 25 per cent at Melbourne. So as an unrestricted free agent, when chased aggressively by Hawthorn, the Demons did not have the automatic option to match the offer.
Frawley duly walked, from one of the weakest teams in the comp to land in the backline of the best.
If the salary of a player is taken into account, it must be averaged over the term of the contract to help protect the bottom clubs.
Let’s make another thing clear – free agency is not about equalisation.
It is a very different conversation, and is something the players asked for after accepting what is essentially a restraint of trade with the draft and salary cap.
As a trade off, players want, and deserve, a way to get to the club of their choice at the end of their career.
This issue will be on agenda for the next collective bargaining agreement, when the players’ association will seek to reduce free agency years.
Regardless, it is a huge challenge for battling clubs to attract free agents. To make someone see your club as a destination of choice, especially when it is not your home state nor in a premiership window.
For the Lions, coach Justin Leppitsch will be the key.
Leppa worked closely with Rance in his role as a defensive coach at Richmond.
As one of the great centre half-backs of modern era, Leppa has helped Rance grow into one of the AFL’s elite defenders.
Putting aside Friday night, when imposing Melbourne youngster Jesse Hogan actually outbodied him a few times, Rance is rarely beaten in a one-on-one contest.
His game has gone to a new level in the past two years.
To seal the deal, Leppitsch must show him the Lions’ blueprint for success.
He must show that the foundations of the rebuild are in place on and off field, and to show Rance he can greatly assist the re-emergence of the club as a force.
The blueprint must also have success at the end – it’s difficult to attract a player of such quality for money alone, particularly when he has spent his career at a rebuilding Richmond with still no ultimate success in sight.
As for the here and now, Leppitsch would obviously be very frustrated at where his Lions are at.
They have, potentially, an elite midfield but it is not resembling that at minute.
The exciting overlap run and scoring potency has thus far been missing.
We know patience is needed with the key position guys, and there’s been bad luck with injuries to key players Pearce Hanley, Tom Rockliff and Daniel Merrett.
But to be any show against the West Coast today, the Lions cannot let the Eagles have the same amount of space and quality inside-50 entries as they allowed Richmond last week.
The Tigers had a staggering 23 inside-50 marks and you simply can’t just blame the defence when so much quality ball is getting in there.
The Eagles boast potent forwards that will tear apart a young defence unless there’s a dramatic turnaround in the pressure applied in the middle.
As a player, Leppa was fiercely competitive with a unique sense of humour – a sense of humour no doubt being tested at the moment.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/alex-rances-looming-free-agency-could-burn-richmond-writes-alastair-lynch/story-e6frf3e3-1227321035490
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Rumour and this isn't just me taking the piddle ... but watch out for Geelong when It comes to Rance. If he goes anywhere other than Richmond, I reckon Geelong will be the destination.
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Should offer himself to Hawthorn.
Backline of Rance, Frawley, Rivers, Gibson, Birchall etc...
Imagine the rebound. Birchall one flank, Rance the other, Frawley 1st KPD, Gibson 3rd up, Rivers handy too.
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If Hawthorn got him they could afford to take the pee and play him in the midfield....
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TBH I would consider playing him in the forward line.
Chaplin, Astbury, Elton/Grimes (depending on opponent), Houli, Morris and Vlastuin in the back 6.
Rance, Jack, Griff, Edwards, Short, Gordon/Lids forward.
Rance can take plenty of marks, competes like his life depends on it usually, and has improved his kicking a lot.
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Clubs should be fairly compensated by the club the player is going to
The AFL is just making it so the strong clubs win at the expense of clubs trying to rebuild
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Not a money decision, will be RFC or nothing,
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Rance not being in the top 9 earners is everything to do with front loaded contracts, we have front loaded a number of contracts to enable us to have a real crack at FA over the next 2 years. P.A. Rance isn't outside our top 9.
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Should offer himself to Hawthorn.
Backline of Rance, Frawley, Rivers, Gibson, Birchall etc...
Imagine the rebound. Birchall one flank, Rance the other, Frawley 1st KPD, Gibson 3rd up, Rivers handy too.
Rivers?
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Rance not being in the top 9 earners is everything to do with front loaded contracts, we have front loaded a number of contracts to enable us to have a real crack at FA over the next 2 years. P.A. Rance isn't outside our top 9.
Whether he stays or not the club needs to use that war chest for FA otherwise we may need not a full but a major renovation in the next few.
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Why Richmond's Alex Rance may walk away
Caroline Wilson
The Age
April 29, 2015
The highly sensitive negotiations between Alex Rance and Richmond will begin this week with the club looking to manage the rare scenario of a star player in his prime seriously considering retirement from the game.
While the prevailing view suggests that the 25-year-old All-Australian defender is unlikely to walk away from a highly lucrative, potentially long-term pay packet, the truth is that Rance has been torn between football and an alternative life.
His manager Tom Petroro was scheduled to meet his client on Wednesday with a view to the pair holding talks with Tigers football boss Daniel Richardson before Saturday's clash with Geelong. This follows the observation by club chief Brendon Gale that the Tigers would need to know Rance's position "sooner rather than later" and that Richmond would make every effort to accommodate the player's needs.
Rance's talent, age and the promise of an estimated $700,000-a-year contract from a club pushing for finals success has demanded intense speculation given the reality that no modern footballer has shunned the AFL by choice so early in his career. This is despite concerns from players generally regarding the intensity of life as a modern, elite player.
The chairman of the AFL Commission, Mike Fitzpatrick, a Carlton premiership captain who retired in 1983, admitted that he would not have enjoyed life as a modern footballer. Last month Matthew Lloyd wrote in The Sunday Age that football was no longer as enjoyable for AFL players, and few he had spoken to loved the game in the manner of earlier generations.
The AFL Players Association harbours concerns about the growing demands from clubs through increasingly heavy training loads, gruelling pre-seasons and a weekly calendar punctuated more frequently each season by meetings. This on top of the intensive public scrutiny further impacted by the growth of social media.
And yet few footballers as talented as Rance have come this close to walking away.
Rance and his wife Georgia are Jehovah's Witnesses, a religion embraced by his family after being introduced by Rance's mother Di during the latter days of father Murray's football career. The former Swan Districts, Footscray and West Coast player who captained the Eagles in 1989, Murray Rance told Fairfax Media he had nothing to add to his son's situation except to say: "I just want to be his dad and support him."
The elder Rances, true to their restorationist Christian religion, regularly spend time helping others learn about the Bible and, in the words of the religion's official raison d'etre, God's Kingdom. They have reportedly stuck true to their desire to remain supportive parents although there is no suggestion they do not want Alex to continue his football career – a career they remain strongly behind.
Nor is there any suggestion that Rance's religion is the sole reason for him to seek with Georgia a different life or that they plan to dedicate their lives to their religion, although clearly their values are influenced by their beliefs. It is true that his wife would support Rance should he choose to quit the AFL.
Friends describe Rance as a gentle soul of strong and consistent values who stood up to a homophobic supporter during Richmond's recent clash with the Western Bulldogs and whose naivete saw him become the victim of a stalker who harassed the player and his sister Ally and who was later jailed for the crime.
Despite speculation surrounding offers from rival clubs and the lure of free agency given Rance's status in Richmond's playing pecking order, neither of those appear to be influencing the player's current quandary. The view of both club and management appears aligned that Rance's last deal was signed almost three years ago and that his form then was commensurate with the contract. It is a contract the Tigers have been working to override to no avail since late 2014.
Football boss Richardson has repeatedly said he did not believe his star defender was entertaining offers from other clubs, although Rance's decision to put off contract talks led him to believe that something deeper was at play. Certainly Rance had begun to confide his thoughts of retirement to some teammates.
CEO Gale told Channel Nine on Monday night that the club had been surprised but not disappointed after learning via The Footy Show that the player was considering quitting. Gale said that Rance's manager had not mentioned it to the club but that he welcomed the new transparency surrounding the situation.
"He has other things in his life that he values and he's weighing those things up," said Gale. "This [the transparency] is a good thing, we can work around these issues."
The good news for Richmond is that the club will take the first step towards meeting those requirements when it meets Petroro and potentially Rance by Friday. Clearly the club remains determined to convince Rance he will find happiness and success at Tigerland.
The combination of Rance's talent, his state of mind and the need to plan for some major free agency moves come the end of the season make these coming days a watershed negotiation for Richmond's future.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/why-richmonds-alex-rance-may-walk-away-20150428-1mvffg.html
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:lol so he was really a Jehovas Witness?
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It's a cult.
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When they say wife..... :snidegrin
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Somebody needs to tell him his potential pay-packet over the next 5-10 years will do more good for his religion than walking the streets knocking on doors.
:thumbsup
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It's a cult.
It isn't a cult. It is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination.
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Another puppy controlled by his wife
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Wasnt Cotchin also baptised last year as a Johavah witness? Is he the wife Caro is referring to in the article...
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It's a cult.
It isn't a cult. It is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination.
Cult.
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It's a cult.
It isn't a cult. It is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination.
Cult.
Define cult.
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
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Another puppy controlled by his wife
Really?
How did you come that conclusion?
Didn't read anywhere in that article that she is pressuring him to quit, just she will support him if he decides to quit
Wasnt Cotchin also baptised last year as a Johavah witness? Is he the wife Caro is referring to in the article...
No and the only wife referred to in the article is Rance's
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I cant take seriously any religion which bans blood transfusions. As for Rance he can get stuffed if he wants to leave footy for his religion.
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
So tell me Doc ... you have a 3yo toddler in a hospital with parents are jv's and the toddler needs a blood transfusion to survive. They tell you its against their religion .... you're a doctor ... What do you do? Your job is to save lives, you have given an oath as a doctor to do that. how do you respond?
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Doesn't that mean he had an arranged marriage to his wife (who was also a Scientologist)
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
Not really, was just pointing out the cult of Christianity, and this is definitely not the place the elaborate why it is nothing more and why steadfast faith in something so completely intangible in this day and age is irrational :whistle
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
So tell me Doc ... you have a 3yo toddler in a hospital with parents are jv's and the toddler needs a blood transfusion to survive. They tell you its against their religion .... you're a doctor ... What do you do? Your job is to save lives, you have given an oath as a doctor to do that. how do you respond?
There are legal ways that enable docs to get around this problem Ramps.
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
Not really, was just pointing out the cult of Christianity, and this is definitely not the place the elaborate why it is nothing more and why steadfast faith in something so completely intangible in this day and age is irrational :whistle
Since you and I cannot prove conclusively that it is irrational, you are wrong in assuming it is. That is my point. In the end it is just your opinion that says it is and refusing to concede this is where you and I differ. I may also think it is irrational from where I sit but I cannot possibly say that it is irrational for someone else to think that way. For all I know, I maybe wrong.
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You've actually completely missed the point doc, so I'll leave it at that ;D
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It's a cult.
The cults came marching 2 by 2 , hurrah, hurrah.......
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
So tell me Doc ... you have a 3yo toddler in a hospital with parents are jv's and the toddler needs a blood transfusion to survive. They tell you its against their religion .... you're a doctor ... What do you do? Your job is to save lives, you have given an oath as a doctor to do that. how do you respond?
There are legal ways that enable docs to get around this problem Ramps.
well that's the end of that debate :snidegrin
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Another puppy controlled by his wife
wife / Geez
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I cant take seriously any religion which bans blood transfusions. As for Rance he can get stuffed if he wants to leave footy for his religion.
cant take Catholics seriously either
transubstantiation lol wtf
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I'd like to see a practicing Satanist in the AFL....not the gay arse Aleister Crowley hedonist type but a fair dinkum devil worshipper with an inverted cross or a pentagram tatooed on his forehead who points to the ground instead of the sky after every goal and thanks Lucifer in post match interviews. Would have to play for Melbourne of course....
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he might love Geez
but rance attacks the ball 100% and could have died a few times but his approach to the contest. no matter the score or the time in the game.
i dont get how some of his team mates can watch this each week, and continue to be so poo
if we lose him to the pristhood, or lose him to freo - i reckon we in big trouble with no rance
chaplin lol
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Ha! I knew you couldn't keep up the good grammar, punctuation, formatting and spelling forever Judge - though I am surprised you've managed to stay away from the politics & soccer threads for this long.
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welcome back judgeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Ah its good to see Bents back
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Wow , I thought I'd taken a wrong turn and hooked up to a Deep South web site for a minute.
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
Not really, was just pointing out the cult of Christianity, and this is definitely not the place the elaborate why it is nothing more and why steadfast faith in something so completely intangible in this day and age is irrational :whistle
Fair enough to have your view.
I just want to make it clear that JW's are not Christian.
But they are definitely a cult though.
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Hardly the thread for discussing the semantics of imaginary friends and blind, irrational belief.
I agree that this isn't the place to discuss peoples views on other peoples personal beliefs whatever they maybe, because it is not the other persons business to put their own perspective (which they can never prove is right anyway) as the only correct one. That would be irrational and irresponsible whether you have a faith or not. :whistle
Not really, was just pointing out the cult of Christianity, and this is definitely not the place the elaborate why it is nothing more and why steadfast faith in something so completely intangible in this day and age is irrational :whistle
Fair enough to have your view.
I just want to make it clear that JW's are not Christian.
But they are definitely a cult though.
rubbish
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Havent watched much of sundays game. But just thought Rance has really stepped up his disposals and decision making attacking out of defence. Recall one instance in the 3rd or 4th where he looked to go down the line, faked 2 collingwood players out then turned inboard pinpointing a dangerous kick to a richmond player. Fantastic footballer.
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It's actually not funny unless you are a Gen X homophobe clutching at straws to try and belittle in order to amuse.
"The world is passing through troubled times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress."
(From a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274)
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It's actually not funny unless you are a Gen X homophobe clutching at straws to try and belittle in order to amuse.
We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self-control." These words - expressing the all-too-familiar contemporary condemnation of young people - were actually inscribed on a 6,000-year-old Egyptian tomb.
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It's actually not funny unless you are a Gen X homophobe clutching at straws to try and belittle in order to amuse.
In the fourth century BC, Plato was heard to remark: "What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets, inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
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It's actually not funny unless you are a Gen X homophobe clutching at straws to try and belittle in order to amuse.
Point is decrying the youth of the day is a rite of passage when your hair turns grey, you lose the spring in your step and your body starts to sag.
It will come to you as well if you ever stop thinking of yourself.
:lol
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Why did you require four seperate posts to reply to the same quote? You could've easily put all that in one post.
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Thought Gen X couldn't handle one long post.
:lol
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Thought Gen X couldn't handle one long post.
:lol
As long as you punctuate and use grammar and have good set out it shouldn't be an issue
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Thought Gen X couldn't handle one long post.
:lol
As long as you punctuate and use grammar and have good set out it shouldn't be an issue
No full stop and "use grammar" just doesn't make sense.
And you can punctuate just by putting spaces between words.
Sure you're not Gen X?
:cheers
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Rance is absolutely invaluable. Would be a completely different side without him. Killed pav tonight. Kills most opponents. best defender in the afl hands down
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Richmond would be left without compo if Alex Rance walked away from the game
Jay Clark
Herald-Sun
June 6, 2015 6:49pm
RICHMOND would be better off losing Alex Rance to another club than if he walked away from the game.
The Tigers would almost certainly receive a first-round draft choice as free-agency compensation if Rance, 25, accepted a big-money offer to go elsewhere.
The compensation pick would immediately follow the club’s first live pick in this year’s draft, giving the Tigers selections No.11 and No.12 based on ladder positions before the start of this round.
But a decision to walk away from the game entirely, something Rance is believed to be considering, would leave the Tigers empty-handed.
While Rance feels a strong sense of loyalty to Richmond, and is widely expected to recommit at Punt Rd, Brisbane Lions and Fremantle have expressed strong interest in the gun backman.
The Dockers are chasing a prime big man from a group of potential candidates including Gold Coast’s Charlie Dixon, Carlton’s Lachie Henderson and Essendon swingman Jake Carlisle.
It was suggested Rance, who is from Western Australia, could be given one year off as part of his next contract, either at Richmond or another rival.
But the Herald Sun has confirmed Rance has not asked for a one-year paid holiday from the Tigers or any other club.
It has not been raised in discussions between Rance and his management or the Tigers, the club confirmed.
Richmond declined to comment on the record.
If Rance stays in football, he will honour every season for the length of his next contract.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-would-be-left-without-compo-if-alex-rance-walked-away-from-the-game/story-fnahsgl5-1227386311522
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What a joke first rd pick after pick 11 while dees got a top 4 pick for Frawley afl nothing short of a joke and look after certain clubs.
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What a joke first rd pick after pick 11 while dees got a top 4 pick for Frawley afl nothing short of a joke and look after certain clubs.
Why are you responding to a joke article that offers nothin new
FFS, it's a red herring- ignore it
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Could we talk Rance into looking after the club in some way?
If he does want to quit, at least sign with another club so we get compo and then quit after the draft due to personal reasons.
If Rance quits altogether its an enormous lost in terms of currency. At least if he goes Free Agency we recover some of his worth.
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^ Love it Pope.
Or alternatively 'ask for a trade' to Fremantle for Nat Fyfe. Then quit AFL citing clinical depression a la Mitch Clarke.
Return to Richmond in 2017 stating that his shrink has recommended a return to a positive work environment.
Done. Fremantle raped, Rance retained, Fyfe stolen.
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Point and case Mal Michael. 'Retired' from Brisbane with a year left on his contract. Then got picked up by Essendon for nothing and played 2 seasons. Cheats!
Dodgy's like this have been done before. If anyone would love to be a rascal it would be Alex Rance
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Someone told me Carlton are offering huge money to him. Not the most reliable source though. They said they are talking to his manager. :thumbsdown
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What a stupid stuffen article, we d be better off if he re signed with RFC than quitting the game , wtf would we be better off losing him :banghead
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If he leaves football, he will regret it in his later life.
You know, when he discovers Geez was just a idiot and all.
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If he leaves football, he will regret it in his later life.
You know, when he discovers Geez was just a idiot and all.
Classic! :lol
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:lol
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Marquee
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How good is this guy?
Seriously. Reminds me of SOS
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what are we paying him? I reckon we saved an extra 0 by him signing before tonights game.
Boss
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How good is this guy?
Seriously. Reminds me of SOS
Fyfe is good but mids come and go....
Herculean key defenders are one a century :shh
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How good is this guy?
Seriously. Reminds me of SOS
Ask Claw, he still thinks he has a fair way to go. :lol
But seriously can you think of a better backman in a Tigers jumper in the last 30 years?
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RFC are making out like bandits for the next 4.5 years. ;D
Worth every penny and then some.
Best defensive KPP in the competition.
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How good is this guy?
Seriously. Reminds me of SOS
Ask Claw, he still thinks he has a fair way to go. :lol
But seriously can you think of a better backman in a Tigers jumper in the last 30 years?
"Ok flanker, but not a key defender"
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We almost have an obligation to not just Richmond but all of football to win flags while the likes of Rance, Cotchin & Martin are still on our list.
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Biggest contract signing for this club in ages
Our Most important player right now
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We almost have an obligation to not just Richmond but all of football to win flags while the likes of Rance, Cotchin & Martin are still on our list.
Counter argument:
A team playing Chaplin, Grigg, Newman.
Cannot win a flag
Unless rance, cotchin and co. continue with superhuman efforts. For months
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Biggest contract signing for this club in ages
Our Most important player right now
'The Decision'
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When you have Rance and Riewoldt you can build a premiership team. We are 3 or 4 players short at the moment. Biggest off season in 30 years coming up for the RFC. We need 2 big signings to continue the momentum.
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Didn't you hear Dan the Man today Ramps? - "natural improvement from within" will lead us to the promised land....
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Didn't you hear Dan the Man today Ramps? - "natural improvement from within" will lead us to the promised land....
"So at half time I told the good players to play better and we won"
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Alex re-signed a week too early ;D.
Gave Buddy a bath tonight.
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Started slowly , sec half was one for the ages , he was vintage :clapping
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Imagine Rance & Carlisle both down back.....
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Imagine Rance & Carlisle both down back.....
Rance
Peptide enthusiast
Grimes
Vlastuin
Mcintosh
Rock solid
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We almost have an obligation to not just Richmond but all of football to win flags while the likes of Rance, Cotchin & Martin are still on our list.
Counter argument:
A team playing Chaplin, Grigg, Newman.
Cannot win a flag
Unless rance, cotchin and co. continue with superhuman efforts. For months
Can't knock Chaplin's game last night. Played very very well!
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We almost have an obligation to not just Richmond but all of football to win flags while the likes of Rance, Cotchin & Martin are still on our list.
Counter argument:
A team playing Chaplin, Grigg, Newman.
Cannot win a flag
Unless rance, cotchin and co. continue with superhuman efforts. For months
Can't knock Chaplin's game last night. Played very very well!
YEP!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Chaplin game wasn't that great? Got beaten by Tippett a fair bit. 1 on 1 is awful.
Chippy kicks are awful too.
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Chaplin game wasn't that great? Got beaten by Tippett a fair bit. 1 on 1 is awful.
Chippy kicks are awful too.
Go watch the game again, he repelled a lot of forward thrusts and kept Tippit out of the game.
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Chaplin game wasn't that great? Got beaten by Tippett a fair bit. 1 on 1 is awful.
Chippy kicks are awful too.
Go watch the game again, he repelled a lot of forward thrusts and kept Tippit out of the game.
He was out marked on 3 occasions in the last qtr and did a lazy right foot kicked to Ellis which dribbled out of bounced when he should've handballed. Too casual, too often.
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Chaplin game wasn't that great? Got beaten by Tippett a fair bit. 1 on 1 is awful.
Chippy kicks are awful too.
Go watch the game again, he repelled a lot of forward thrusts and kept Tippit out of the game.
He was out marked on 3 occasions in the last qtr and did a lazy right foot kicked to Ellis which dribbled out of bounced when he should've handballed. Too casual, too often.
Edwards did a lazy kick as well that resulted in a goal, Ellis wasn't seen until the third qtr late and neither were many others. Have to disagree, i thought he played very well in the bacline last night and occasionally up the ground.
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While i would still like to upgrade on chaplin i though he did pretty good last night. A number of tippet's marks were as much down to the delivery of the ball as much as anything.
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While i would still like to upgrade on chaplin i though he did pretty good last night. A number of tippet's marks were as much down to the delivery of the ball as much as anything.
:thumbsup
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We almost have an obligation to not just Richmond but all of football to win flags while the likes of Rance, Cotchin & Martin are still on our list.
Counter argument:
A team playing Chaplin, Grigg, Newman.
Cannot win a flag
Unless rance, cotchin and co. continue with superhuman efforts. For months
Can't knock Chaplin's game last night. Played very very well!
:facepalm
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Chaplin.
Hard to look good playing alongside Rance.
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Chaplin.
Hard to look good playing alongside Rance.
To not*
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Chaplin 18 possies and 8 marks his opponent tippet 10 posies , 1 goal, I think it's safe to say he got. The points there ::), him and rance are unstoppable :shh
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Chaplin 18 possies and 8 marks his opponent tippet 10 posies , 1 goal, I think it's safe to say he got. The points there ::), him and rance are unstoppable :shh
18 touches
Wow
Stop the press
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you dont think that when a backman has nearly twice the possessions of his opponent he has had the better of his opponent?
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you dont think that when a backman has nearly twice the possessions of his opponent he has had the better of his opponent?
Enough with your logic al... ;D
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you dont think that when a backman has nearly twice the possessions of his opponent he has had the better of his opponent?
A defender getting 8 touches more than a forward in modern day football isn't impressive
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Rance was fantastic. Thank god we got him for the next 4 years. my favourite passage would have to be when there was 12 mins left in the 4th quarter and the Swans spotted Franklin in the pocket only for Rance to launch himself and fist straight into the hands of a teammate (think it was Martin?)
that passage when he outran Franklin controlled the ball with a tap to himself and kicked it laces out to Vickery was great also
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Rance was fantastic. Thank god we got him for the next 4 years. my favourite passage would have to be when there was 12 mins left in the 4th quarter and the Swans spotted Franklin in the pocket only for Rance to launch himself and fist straight into the hands of a teammate (think it was Martin?)
that passage when he outran Franklin controlled the ball with a tap to himself and kicked it laces out to Vickery was great also
Yep - he is a star :bow
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you dont think that when a backman has nearly twice the possessions of his opponent he has had the better of his opponent?
A defender getting 8 touches more than a forward in modern day football isn't impressive
is this a selective observation or does it apply to everyone?
by what criteria do you base if a defender has the better of a forward?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion,but I must admit it bemuses no end that people still question Alex..to me hes a superstar
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you dont think that when a backman has nearly twice the possessions of his opponent he has had the better of his opponent?
A defender getting 8 touches more than a forward in modern day football isn't impressive
in your world perhaps, when you understand the game some more and come to appreciate the finer points , you may think otherwise ::), hang in there , and eyes wide open :o
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Rance is a great player. He goes in and gives his all.
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Glad all the Debbie downers are happy that JW is staying on..
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you dont think that when a backman has nearly twice the possessions of his opponent he has had the better of his opponent?
A defender getting 8 touches more than a forward in modern day football isn't impressive
in your world perhaps, when you understand the game some more and come to appreciate the finer points , you may think otherwise ::), hang in there , and eyes wide open :o
Well that's ironic
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:bow
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
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Would assume not all Mormons are against blood transfusions
A sliding scale of extremism; like Christians or Muslims
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The best in the business :bow
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
Are you sure?
Are they not like Jews different levels of it?
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A few rumours circulating that Rance can't actually take blood because his skin is so tough needles won't get through. JW rubbish is a clever cover up.
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:bow
Amazing again today especially in the last. Cameron just gave up in the end.
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:bow
Amazing again today especially in the last. Cameron just gave up in the end.
It's becoming a theme
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:bow
Amazing again today especially in the last. Cameron just gave up in the end.
It's becoming a theme
When was the last full-back to win a B&F? He'll be right up there in ours.
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
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It's an interesting scenario. I know it's somewhat different but I wonder what the rules are on that considering the rules on blood doping?
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
Not quite correct. I have lectured on the subject and looked after many JWs in my life. Strict JWs do not accept blood that is their own once it has left their body. Their blood must be in a continuous circuit with their body.
Of course I have also come across many types of JWs who accept all sorts of things, but strictly speaking, I am correct.
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
so how do they draw that conclusion, because I'm pretty sure blood transfusions were not on the agenda when the old testament was written?
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
so how do they draw that conclusion, because I'm pretty sure blood transfusions were not on the agenda when the old testament was written?
Great question. Leviticus 19:19 also states you cannot wear clothing woven of two different kinds of materials. So let's hope those socks are 100% cotton.
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nor can you crossbreed animals
or eat pork
or rabbit/hare
or prawns, or eels, or flake (shark)
but you can beat your slaves , just not too badly :thumbsup
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That's why he always lets Buddy at least kick a couple.
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:lol
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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That's why he always lets Buddy at least kick a couple.
:clapping
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I hope this guy wins the B+F. Absolute beast in the backline
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That's why he always lets Buddy at least kick a couple.
:clapping
:clapping :clapping
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Superman.
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Even the gws fwd was shaking his head with a wry smile a couple of times when Rance beat him superbly. There was some good sportsmanship between those 2 all day
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
Not quite correct. I have lectured on the subject and looked after many JWs in my life. Strict JWs do not accept blood that is their own once it has left their body. Their blood must be in a continuous circuit with their body.
Of course I have also come across many types of JWs who accept all sorts of things, but strictly speaking, I am correct.
What makes you correct? Do you know how strict of a JW Rance is?
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Bingo
I don't buy it either
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
Not quite correct. I have lectured on the subject and looked after many JWs in my life. Strict JWs do not accept blood that is their own once it has left their body. Their blood must be in a continuous circuit with their body.
Of course I have also come across many types of JWs who accept all sorts of things, but strictly speaking, I am correct.
What makes you correct? Do you know how strict of a JW Rance is?
I am correct when I say the faith actually opposes receiving their own blood once it has left their body unless it is in a continuous circuit. I have to deal with this all the time so I think I should know!!!
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
Not quite correct. I have lectured on the subject and looked after many JWs in my life. Strict JWs do not accept blood that is their own once it has left their body. Their blood must be in a continuous circuit with their body.
Of course I have also come across many types of JWs who accept all sorts of things, but strictly speaking, I am correct.
What makes you correct? Do you know how strict of a JW Rance is?
I am correct when I say the faith actually opposes receiving their own blood once it has left their body unless it is in a continuous circuit. I have to deal with this all the time so I think I should know!!!
But isn't that like saying Christians are not sposed to sex before marriage? And yet its been known to happen
Are u an jw expert?
Are u sure there are not different levels of it? ' '
If arance married a jw women and they had a girl and five year later she was going to die unless she got blood - u r saying 100% he would let her die? Big call
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
Not quite correct. I have lectured on the subject and looked after many JWs in my life. Strict JWs do not accept blood that is their own once it has left their body. Their blood must be in a continuous circuit with their body.
Of course I have also come across many types of JWs who accept all sorts of things, but strictly speaking, I am correct.
What makes you correct? Do you know how strict of a JW Rance is?
I am correct when I say the faith actually opposes receiving their own blood once it has left their body unless it is in a continuous circuit. I have to deal with this all the time so I think I should know!!!
But isn't that like saying Christians are not sposed to sex before marriage? And yet its been known to happen
Are u an jw expert?
Are u sure there are not different levels of it? ' '
If arance married a jw women and they had a girl and five year later she was going to die unless she got blood - u r saying 100% he would let her die? Big call
I'm not saying that at all. I don't know how strict Rance is. I don't know what individuals would do. I am saying what their faith generally agrees to or opposes.
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What would happen if Rance needed surgery, considering he is a JW and all?
He would not be able to receive any blood or blood products if necessary due to large blood loss.
However he can donate blood to himself and have it kept in storage if he wants to.
JW's can eat or use the flesh from any animal however they cannot take the blood.
He'd have banked some of his own.
Doesn't work that way. Once it has left their body they can't have it back.
It does work that way. I give people blood transfusions frequently and I care for JW's relatively often and I've seen a handful actually need/refuse blood transfusions.
One of them also gave me a DVD to help me understand their stance on the matter.
Not quite correct. I have lectured on the subject and looked after many JWs in my life. Strict JWs do not accept blood that is their own once it has left their body. Their blood must be in a continuous circuit with their body.
Of course I have also come across many types of JWs who accept all sorts of things, but strictly speaking, I am correct.
What makes you correct? Do you know how strict of a JW Rance is?
I am correct when I say the faith actually opposes receiving their own blood once it has left their body unless it is in a continuous circuit. I have to deal with this all the time so I think I should know!!!
But isn't that like saying Christians are not sposed to sex before marriage? And yet its been known to happen
Are u an jw expert?
Are u sure there are not different levels of it? ' '
If arance married a jw women and they had a girl and five year later she was going to die unless she got blood - u r saying 100% he would let her die? Big call
I'm not saying that at all. I don't know how strict Rance is. I don't know what individuals would do. I am saying what their faith generally agrees to or opposes.
I don't know so I'm interested
I know Muslims are not supposed to suicide bomb but that still happens
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Not the case YBB
'In addition to this, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Blibical understanding does not absolutely prohibit the following so an individual must decide personally according to their own conscience whether they will accept:
• Small blood fractions such as immunoglobulins, haemophiliac preparations, albumin, cryoprecipate, SPPS.
• The following surgical techniques on the condition that there is a continuous extra-coporeal circuit: Haemodilation, Heart-lung dialysis, intra and post-operative blood salvage and reinfusion, and renal dialysis.
• There are also a number of IV fluids that are acceptable for use with Jehovah's witnesses patients.(See Attachment B)'
http://publicadvocate.vic.gov.au/file/file/PracticeGuidelines/PG07_Jehovahs_Witnesses_and_Blood_Transfusions_09.pdf
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As you can see, JW's can accept some blood products as they see fit, and accepting their own blood once it has been removed from the body is acceptable in many cases such as dialysis, salvage etc.
Strictly not a dichotomy here.
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I am correct when I say the faith actually opposes receiving their own blood once it has left their body unless it is in a continuous circuit. I have to deal with this all the time so I think I should know!!!
We are discussing Rance here, no one cares about your work despite your attempts to bring it up at every opportunity.
As you can see, JW's can accept some blood products as they see fit, and accepting their own blood once it has been removed from the body is acceptable in many cases such as dialysis, salvage etc.
Yeah but that's only some blood products. Whole blood is a different story
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I've grown tired of the semantics of whether Rance will take blood or not. All I care about is that he bleeds yellow and black and busts his gut for us week in week out
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The JW's I've met said they're allowed to have yellow & black blood transfusions, it's just red blood transfusions that are forbidden.
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I've grown tired of the semantics of whether Rance will take blood or not. All I care about is that he bleeds yellow and black and busts his gut for us week in week out
Just cross ya fingers if he cope an injury
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If he wins any media awards is he allowed to accept if the prize is a Plasma TV?
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Not the case YBB
'In addition to this, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Blibical understanding does not absolutely prohibit the following so an individual must decide personally according to their own conscience whether they will accept:
• Small blood fractions such as immunoglobulins, haemophiliac preparations, albumin, cryoprecipate, SPPS.
• The following surgical techniques on the condition that there is a continuous extra-coporeal circuit: Haemodilation, Heart-lung dialysis, intra and post-operative blood salvage and reinfusion, and renal dialysis.
• There are also a number of IV fluids that are acceptable for use with Jehovah's witnesses patients.(See Attachment B)'
http://publicadvocate.vic.gov.au/file/file/PracticeGuidelines/PG07_Jehovahs_Witnesses_and_Blood_Transfusions_09.pdf
Just as I thought i stated. Their blood is ok as long as it is in a continuous circuit!!!!
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I love this guy.
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Rance is a god.
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I like rance but I but love him.
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A brick wall in the first half. Every week, he just prevents so many goals going against us.
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Will convert from heathenism
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Heaps better than SOS, glen jackovich etc...
IMHO - if you were starting a new club to tomorrow and got a player to build around you'd be bonkers to take fyfe over rance...
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Alex Rance was at his best against Carlton, showing why he’s one of the league’s best defenders
Sam Edmund
Herald-Sun
July 11, 2015
WHEN Alex Rance last month decided against a footy-free life of backpacking and religious devotion, we can only imagine the collective groan from the AFL’s elite forwards.
On Friday night at the MCG it was Lachie Henderson who was made to look inept by the competition’s premier defender.
Henderson, Carlton’s go-to forward, was moved to a wing in the last quarter of the Blues’ 30-point loss in a desperate attempt just to get him involved.
Because he couldn’t touch it beside Rance, who was simply supreme. The Tiger defender not only mauled Henderson in the one-on-one’s, but then rubbed his face in it by surging back the other way with the ball in hand.
On a night where both sides found new and comical ways to butcher forward entries, Rance was a picture of polish and assurity.
At half-time, Rance was the leading possession winner on the ground with 18, which included a team-high seven contested possessions and two contested grabs.
Richmond’s full-back wasn’t just a rock in defence, he thought he’d add ‘ball magnet’ to his skill set.
With every Rance act of domination you could see the dollars falling off Henderson’s contract.
If Rance just signed a lucrative four-year deal, this performance won’t exactly fatten the bottom line of Henderson’s.
Yet for three quarters Carlton directed the lion’s share of their forward entries to him, even when the impressive Matthew Kreuzer was lurking inside 50m with Jake Batchelor as an opponent. Henderson’s solitary goal came after his solitary contested mark — in a mismatch on Kamdyn McIntosh.
To be fair to Lachie, Carlton couldn’t hit the side of a barn. There were missed kicks, missed handballs, fumbles, bumbles and every other dysfunctional mistake you could imagine in four quarters that returned just five goals.
Eight minutes into the third quarter, the Blues’ kicking efficiency was as low as 38 per cent. They could only convert one of their first six set shots at goal, with Jason Tutt missing from 35m directly in front.
Rance, meanwhile, operated at 90 per cent efficiency, and his influence only started to wane when his teammates up the ground started to gain a foothold in the contest.
There was a time not so long ago when if Trent Cotchin had a bad first quarter he had a bad game.
But the Tiger captain is a more resolute proposition now.
Cotchin was held to one handball at quarter-time by Andrew Carrazzo, but hit back with vengeance in a second term that saw him gather 10 touches and a goal. He finished with 23.
Brett Deledio was also a class act in a clanger-fest, clean above his head and below his knees in dangerous areas.
http://www.news.com.au/national/alex-rance-was-at-his-best-against-carlton-showing-why-hes-one-of-the-leagues-best-defenders/story-e6frfkp9-1227437563132
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The best defender at Richmond since St Francis
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Stuffing general :bow
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Please close this thread, coat it in gold, frame it and put it in a shrine. There is nothing more to say about this player. AMAZING, FANTASTIC. It just goes on, God can he get any better!!!!!
:bow :bow :bow :clapping :clapping :clapping
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I like rance but I but love him.
LMAO
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I wonder how many goals Rance would kick in a match if we plonked him at full forward?
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not as many as he prevents when down back.
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Tross makes the AFL website's Team of the Week again ...
ALEX RANCE (Richmond) - Was best on ground on Friday night, towelling up Lachie Henderson in the first half with 18 possessions and eight marks. Henderson, meanwhile, had just three touches before moving into defence in the second half.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-14/team-of-the-week-round-15
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The best defender at Richmond since St Francis
Concur , I was actually saying on the weekend he plays like the great man, taking marks in the hole, unstoppable one on one and fearless in attack , long may it continue :clapping
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What a great footballer he has become. Who would think you could have such an exciting player at full back! He has nailed all aspects of his game this year. Great to watch.
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He certainly is Ollie :clapping
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Did anyone see how he was hurting us in offence in the first? Maybe I was just in awe and didn't realise it but apparently Dimma did
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I vaguely remember he took the wrong option in the first on a hbf in the outer. He may have gone wide instead of inboard. Apart from that one of the most attacking FB games I have seen. The risks he takes are enormous but they seem to pay off nearly every time, I could forgive Rance for many more errors than he makes, which isn't many.
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Rance on 3aw...
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/3368349-alex-rance-on-3aw-in-the-rooms-post-rd-15
* I talk to a lot of the younger, more developing players like Batch and Grimesy about how you’ve got to have something which makes you feel good about your game/ Early days, it was just spoiling those contests and I felt good about that. But then it wasn’t enough, I wanted more. I felt like I needed to win those contests. So you’ve got to start from what is your strength. If it’s a Bachar Houli, you’re running off getting handball receives. You’ve got to have something that makes you feel good about yourself and feel good about your game.
* I knew that I could push weights in the gym but I couldn’t really translate that out onto the field. It’s pretty well publicised that former Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch taught me a few things - towards my footwork and technique stuff with my hands in a contest that I could translate power from my legs into another person and shift them out of the drop zone. Identifying the drop zone and then having that patience, once you’re in the contest, not to be frazzled and just swing wildly at it. But yeah, I’m in control here. Shift him a few metres there, I’ve got the drop zone, away we go.
* Then, I still enjoyed going to the gym but I could find I could get enjoyment playing out there and starting to push a few blokes around. Now I’m starting to get enjoyment of reading the ball a bit better, obviously with the help of some "dirty" balls coming from the midfield and just building that game. But you definitely can’t put the ball before the cart. If I tried to intercept the ball and run off early days, it would have come very unstuck for me.
* I still never really feel like I am the top of the tree. Every game I go into feeling nervous. And it’s funny, come Thursday I still look at the text that comes out from Dimma - who’s in and who’s out - because I still within myself feel like I’ve still got to earn my spot.
* There’s always more room to improve. My decision-making is vastly improved from when I first started. Because I do take those intercept possessions, it’s a matter of knowing when to go quick and knowing when the bubbles so dense. Making the most of those intercept possessions. That’s something that I really look at and scrutinise hard now with our defensive coaches - to know when to go quick and around the bubble or when just to take your time and let the bubble disperse.
Full article" http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-15/rance-reveals-secret-of-his-success
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Thank you Leppitsch for helping Rance evolve into the beast of a defender he is today.
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Should get him back as an assistant after Brisbane sacks him.
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Richmond's Alex Rance has been the most reliable kick in the competition, hitting targets 12.2% above the expected rate, based on the difficulty of his kicks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-17/the-inquirer-hard-facts-and-quirky-outcomes
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Rance is an average footballer with terrible kicking skills and gets caught with the ball to often to be not called slow minded. If any club was bumb enough to offer an early pick we would be MAD not to take it. We picked him up at pick 18 and in the two years he has been at the club he has shown not much really. In fact he was dropped from our very, very average side toward the end of the year. And he played better under TW coaching than Jade's.
He is a half back flanker/back pocket at best
:clapping
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Wow :gobdrop
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We are all entitled to one huge bad call on OER. I think big tone has made his! ;)
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just to put some perspective on it.
Batchelor is mediocre at best but Dea is just a nothing footballer.
Wasn't you that didn't rate Rance either? You don't rate Jack either do you?
Yeah was a big critic of Rance about three years when he was a dumb panicky turnover merchant who couldn't keep his feet and regularly got slaughtered by power forwards - so were a lot of people - and have always rated Jack. What's Dea done - do you watch much of our VFL side when they're not on TV or the internet?
See that's the difference, i can see something in a player before they are actually dominating.
So, sure rance had some bad deficiencies early on, but worked through them and improved. Many of us could see them, but only some went the whole hog and wrote him off.
What this shows is that it easy to go early on a player, and then even easier to make out otherwise.
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Big tone is by no means alone.
This was where most of the sustained vitriol was coming from:-
Typical Richond, the supporters fall in love with yet another dud,He aint up to it, get an extra pick in the draft please
Dont care what anyone says on here, he isnt up too it.
good footballer is Alex :chuck
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Yes but unlike Mr. Big Tone, Mr. Jackstar isn't now claiming that he always saw something in him.
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Yes.
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Not picking on BT
Just read this:
Richmond's Alex Rance has been the most reliable kick in the competition, hitting targets 12.2% above the expected rate, based on the difficulty of his kicks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-17/the-inquirer-hard-facts-and-quirky-outcomes
And thought gee we come a long way
Picked comment at random, page ten
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yeah, in all seriousness, its a credit to Rance to have got his kicking to this point from where it was a few ago.
I doubt there would be too many who could actually see his faults foreseeing just how much he would improve and how good he would become.
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Rance is an average footballer with terrible kicking skills and gets caught with the ball to often to be not called slow minded. If any club was bumb enough to offer an early pick we would be MAD not to take it. We picked him up at pick 18 and in the two years he has been at the club he has shown not much really. In fact he was dropped from our very, very average side toward the end of the year. And he played better under TW coaching than Jade's.
He is a half back flanker/back pocket at best
:clapping
I wondered when someone would bring this up. I thought it might have been Claw.
Fair enough too.
I remember writing it and I remember when I changed my mind on him, and it wasn't two years ago like most when he started playing well. And it's been me since then posting backing this guy when others continued to bag him.
At the very least though, post my entire post from way back then.
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Rance is an average footballer with terrible kicking skills and gets caught with the ball to often to be not called slow minded. If any club was bumb enough to offer an early pick we would be MAD not to take it. We picked him up at pick 18 and in the two years he has been at the club he has shown not much really. In fact he was dropped from our very, very average side toward the end of the year. And he played better under TW coaching than Jade's.
He is a half back flanker/back pocket at best
:clapping
I wondered when someone would bring this up. I thought it might have been Claw.
Fair enough too.
I remember writing it and I remember when I changed my mind on him, and it wasn't two years ago like most when he started playing well. And it's been me since then posting backing this guy when others continued to bag him.
At the very least though, post my entire post from way back then.
Na u got less funny at the end
Snip
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Rance is an average footballer with terrible kicking skills and gets caught with the ball to often to be not called slow minded. If any club was bumb enough to offer an early pick we would be MAD not to take it. We picked him up at pick 18 and in the two years he has been at the club he has shown not much really. In fact he was dropped from our very, very average side toward the end of the year. And he played better under TW coaching than Jade's.
He is a half back flanker/back pocket at best
:clapping
I wondered when someone would bring this up. I thought it might have been Claw.
Fair enough too.
I remember writing it and I remember when I changed my mind on him, and it wasn't two years ago like most when he started playing well. And it's been me since then posting backing this guy when others continued to bag him.
At the very least though, post my entire post from way back then.
Na u got less funny at the end
Snip
You mean it didn't make you feel like a big man!
Editing a post makes you as big a scumbag as most media people who do the same thing.
Anyway enjoy your Saturday night going through people's post from 6 years ago. You must be really interesting to be around. Knock yourself out!
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I spat tea everywhere
Lol BT :bow
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I spat tea everywhere
Lol BT :bow
:thumbsup
:cheers
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I confess I had my doubts early but mostly due to his slow reaction & not able to keep his feet. It was frustrating at times to watch especially the falling over at critical stages. What I always liked was his absolute commitment to the contest as he always went in, arms & legs all over the place without fear or concern for his own safety, a trait he has continued to perfect.
It would be awesome if he had a rock in defence teamate that could help him there's no telling how good he could be in the next phase of his career.
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just to put some perspective on it.
Batchelor is mediocre at best but Dea is just a nothing footballer.
Wasn't you that didn't rate Rance either? You don't rate Jack either do you?
Yeah was a big critic of Rance about three years when he was a dumb panicky turnover merchant who couldn't keep his feet and regularly got slaughtered by power forwards - so were a lot of people - and have always rated Jack. What's Dea done - do you watch much of our VFL side when they're not on TV or the internet?
See that's the difference, i can see something in a player before they are actually dominating.
So, sure rance had some bad deficiencies early on, but worked through them and improved. Many of us could see them, but only some went the whole hog and wrote him off.
What this shows is that it easy to go early on a player, and then even easier to make out otherwise.
GOLD :lol :lol :lol :lol
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RICHMOND defender Alex Rance has been recognised for his outstanding season with a stamp of approval from the AFL's senior coaches, who have overwhelmingly voted him the game's best defender.
After earning All Australian selection in 2014, Rance has elevated his game to a new level this season and been recognised by the coaches in an exclusive survey for AFL.com.au and the AFL Record.
With nine votes, he was one of only two players to earn multiple votes, ahead of Harry Taylor (two), with Jeremy McGovern and Easton Wood among the players to earn one vote each.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-12/who-do-the-coaches-say-are-the-games-best-defenders-mids-forwards
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Well he better pull his finger out of his arse this weekend against Patton or Cameron..
Turning up at the wrong match wouldn't be a good start.....
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Well he better pull his finger out of his arse this weekend against Patton or Cameron..
Turning up at the wrong match wouldn't be a good start.....
Yeah geez, good point, :lol :lol :lol. Well maybe he just pulls his finger out!! I have the GWS on the brain regarding Treloar!!
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Well he better pull his finger out of his arse this weekend against Patton or Cameron..
Turning up at the wrong match wouldn't be a good start.....
Easy to get the plastic 'clubs' confused
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Super game from Rance today. The best in the business by far!
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Was our best in the 1st half. Had a few Rance type brain fades in the 2nd though.
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It shows how much Rance has improved that he is now rated by Champion Data as the 2nd best key defender at hitting targets by foot.
http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Inquirer-Round-22_FA.jpg
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Sweet new Avatar Schtalin, where did you score that?
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Rance is an average footballer with terrible kicking skills and gets caught with the ball to often to be not called slow minded. If any club was bumb enough to offer an early pick we would be MAD not to take it. We picked him up at pick 18 and in the two years he has been at the club he has shown not much really. In fact he was dropped from our very, very average side toward the end of the year. And he played better under TW coaching than Jade's.
He is a half back flanker/back pocket at best
:clapping
I wondered when someone would bring this up. I thought it might have been Claw.
Fair enough too.
I remember writing it and I remember when I changed my mind on him, and it wasn't two years ago like most when he started playing well. And it's been me since then posting backing this guy when others continued to bag him.
At the very least though, post my entire post from way back then.
Na u got less funny at the end
Snip
You mean it didn't make you feel like a big man!
:lol
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It shows how much Rance has improved that he is now rated by Champion Data as the 2nd best key defender at hitting targets by foot.
http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Inquirer-Round-22_FA.jpg
And I'm pretty happy to point people to the "General Forwards" category too!! :snidegrin
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It shows how much Rance has improved that he is now rated by Champion Data as the 2nd best key defender at hitting targets by foot.
http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Inquirer-Round-22_FA.jpg
And I'm pretty happy to point people to the "General Forwards" category too!! :snidegrin
:clapping
Well done Uncle Smokey!
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Champion Data rates Rance as the best key defender in the AFL and by quite a margin too.
1. Alex Rance 299.2
2. Tom McDonald 257.9
3. Harry Taylor 233.8
http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/Inquirer-Finals-Week-1.jpg
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What a player he is :bow
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Poor bastard did his best to play on his own man and then cover Chaplin and batches as well
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Poor bastard did his best to play on his own man and then cover Chaplin and batches as well
:thumbsup
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Poor bastard did his best to play on his own man and then cover Chaplin and batches as well
This
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Dare I say it. Henderson or Carlisle need to make their way to Punt Rd.
Or if our FTF dollars are for lavish president functions then FFS how about play Todd Elton.
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its a shame we have a superstar full back and a superstar full forward and we are gonna waste this opportunity because Hartley and Richardson don't have the balls to go out and bring in some big name players like Dangerfield who could change the psychology of the playing group in finals. we need big game players big game performers not moneyball brotherhood bin type players.
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its a shame we have a superstar full back and a superstar full forward and we are gonna waste this opportunity because Hartley and Richardson don't have the balls to go out and bring in some big name players like Dangerfield who could change the psychology of the playing group in finals. we need big game players big game performers not moneyball brotherhood bin type players.
Agree with this. It is also so frustrating seeing them and coaches back in the players they bring in like Chaplin. Yes he can do some ok things with good body position but he is the worst one on one big defender in the game. I don't think they have the courage to bring in a Carlisle or back Elton/Astbury. Hampson has played to many games in our jumper and was never the answer. Courage :pray
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someone please get rid of that brotherhood bin from Punt road
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the blokes who most of us here have fingered as letting us down at crucial times did it again yesterday I thought.....Taylor hunt,chaplin,grigg,ellis.
Griff and conca just shouldn't have played.
Cotch and Lids I really don't know what to make of their insipid performance.
Maric is a workhorse and busts his gut every week,but unfortunately against the likes of Nic Nat,sandilands,Goldstein,just doesn't cut the mustard
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Dare I say it. Henderson or Carlisle need to make their way to Punt Rd.
Or if our FTF dollars are for lavish president functions then FFS how about play Todd Elton.
Club feels we are in a good position with our key position stocks but you can never have aenough goal kicking midfielders
Benny Gales response to what sort of player we are targeting in the offseason
:banghead
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Poor bastard did his best to play on his own man and then cover Chaplin and batches as well
Indeed
Amazing level this guy
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the blokes who most of us here have fingered as letting us down at crucial times did it again yesterday I thought.....Taylor hunt,chaplin,grigg,ellis.
Griff and conca just shouldn't have played.
Cotch and Lids I really don't know what to make of their insipid performance.
Maric is a workhorse and busts his gut every week,but unfortunately against the likes of Nic Nat,sandilands,Goldstein,just doesn't cut the mustard
Even Maric was down not only in performance but in effort. Thought he'd at least go with Goldy and keep him honest but he just didn't chase at times
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Maric 0 marks to 3/4 time. Telling.
It was Chappy's fault but.
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no shame in losing to superjew
hes a outstanding footballer goldie
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no shame in losing to superjew
hes a outstanding footballer goldie
True.
I'd like us to find one of our own though. Maric is just a trier now.
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no shame in losing to superjew
hes a outstanding footballer goldie
There is shame in not putting in 100% effort as one of our Vice captains who basically gets a game based on effort over performance
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no shame in losing to superjew
hes a outstanding footballer goldie
There is shame in not putting in 100% effort as one of our Vice captains who basically gets a game based on effort over performance
Goldy is top shelf.
He had a WEEKS REST
Ivan god bless him has looked like he's winding down for some time
Ray Charles could see it coming
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In the AFLPA's MVP awards last night, Rance came 8th in the actual MVP and he also came 5th in the most courageous player award :clapping.
MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
1. Nat Fyfe Frem 1455 votes
2. Told Goldstein NM 578
3. Patrick Dangerfield Adel 364
4. Matt Priddis WC 269
5. Josh Kennedy WC 191
6. Dan Hannebery Syd 162
7. Sam Mitchell Haw 116
8. Alex Rance Rich 100
9. Robbie Gray PA 90
10. Eddie Betts Adel 86
Most Courageous
1. Luke Parker Syd 238 votes
2. Callan Ward GWS 123
3. Joel Selwood Geel 83
4. Luke Hodge Haw 78
5. Alex Rance Rich 43
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nat-fyfe-crowned-afl-mvp-isaac-heeney-best-first-year-player-and-robert-murphy-best-captain/story-fni5f6su-1227529174462
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Rance on MMM's 'Rush Hour' ...
AUDIO:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-10-01/rance-on-triple-m-october-1st
or
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/shows/rush-hour-with-james-brayshaw-and-billy-brownless/podcasts/the-rush-hour-podcast---wednesday-30th-september/ (http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/shows/rush-hour-with-james-brayshaw-and-billy-brownless/podcasts/the-rush-hour-podcast---wednesday-30th-september/)
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Rance on MMM's 'Rush Hour' ...
AUDIO:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-10-01/rance-on-triple-m-october-1st
or
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/shows/rush-hour-with-james-brayshaw-and-billy-brownless/podcasts/the-rush-hour-podcast---wednesday-30th-september/ (http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/shows/rush-hour-with-james-brayshaw-and-billy-brownless/podcasts/the-rush-hour-podcast---wednesday-30th-september/)
Transcript ::)
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God is good.
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Were a better side than last year
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Were a better side than last year
Good statement for Jan 1st.. :thumbsup
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God is good.
Rance hu akbar!
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in Tross we Trust
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Were a better side than last year
This loss will burn inside us all summer, just like the last one and the one before that.
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in Tross we Trust
another one line post :thumbsdown
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LONGEST KICK LEADERBOARD
1. Drew Petrie (North Melbourne) — 60.4m
2. Travis Cloke (Collingwood) — 55.0m
3. Alex Rance (Richmond) — 49.8m
4. Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs) — 49.4m
5. Matthew Pavlich (Fremantle) — 48.9m
6. Brendan Fevola (Yarrawonga) — 48.8m
7. Tom Hawkins (Geelong) — 44.6m
8. David Armitage (St Kilda) — 44.2m
9. Bernie Vince (Melbourne) — 42.8m
10. Jonathan Simpkin (Hawthorn) — 40.4m
11. Taylor Walker (Adelaide) — 40.2m
12. Dustin Fletcher (Essendon) — 36.1m
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Wtf is that ^
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Wtf is that ^
Longest kick over the Yarra.
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Wtf is that ^
Longest kick over the Yarra.
I thought Griff was our longest kick?
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Wtf is that ^
Longest kick over the Yarra.
I thought Griff was our longest kick?
Yeah, good point..
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Wtf is that ^
Longest kick over the Yarra.
I thought Griff was our longest kick?
Yeah, good point..
Yeah he is but a lot of players have gone away prior to the b&f
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used to be
before he was instructed to kicked sideways or backwards 8 meters
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:lol
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LISTEN: Alex Rance joined Dwayne Russell on 3AW last night
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/3662299-alex-rance-opens-up-on-3aw
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Richmond star Alex Rance opens up about his religion on 3AW's Sports Today
3AW
October 7, 2015 - 6:52PM
Richmond best and fairest Alex Rance has opened up about a range of issues on 3AW.
The gun defender shared his views on everything from football, social media and religion.
"I feel like religion has a bit of a stigma attached to it," Rance said on Sports Today.
He also spoke at length about just how close he came to giving the game away this year before signing a contract extension.
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/richmond-star-alex-rance-opens-up-about-his-religion-on-3aws-sports-today-20151007-gk3oc2.html
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Transcript ::)
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Excuse my ignorance has rance ever had an injury?
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Excuse my ignorance has rance ever had an injury?
Yes
Missed games last year (2014) along with Lids, you know when we were 3-10 or whatever it was
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Oh yeah
What was the injury
Thanks
Heel?
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Fell off his bike in the preseason I think, knowing him it was probably a unicycle!
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Aaaand the broken face in his first year - it was a James Hird-like injury, multiple breaks to facial bones. Missed 6 weeks or so, if my memory serves me correctly ... he looked like this as they stretchered him off ... :gobdrop
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Pretty sure he had a fractured skull from that incident?
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Pulled a hammy doing the bolt from an irate citizen when he was doorknocking once.
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Pulled a hammy doing the bolt from an irate citizen when he was doorknocking once.
:lol
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he's far from perfect but he's coming along for a 21yr old 30 gamer
shown he can play to a high standard at the level
will have his ups and downs - especially at Full Back
needs to develop his consistency like all young players but he's played more good games than poor ones this year so that's a step in the right direction
wont die wondering with this one
if we play him as a fb opposition ff will be jumping for joy. you only need look at his strengths or in this case his weaknesses to see why.
personally as a big bodied player id prefer he can defend first and provide run second. rather than run first and defense second. we have some excellent running defenders in newman deledio conca and batchelor. where we are having problems is the big blokes getting hold of us.
i hope people arent suggesting rance can do the role of these blokes. yep he provides some run but people have been telling me for yrs now so does mcguane.
one or two decent games does not make a player surely by now richmond people of all people have learnt this harsh lesson. and of course i expect more vitriol from the defenders of all things mediocre.
congrats alex on a good game now do it again and again and again.
:o
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very poor again just not up to it. very poor in the air especially assurance and judgement .but it wasnt just in the air tonight, he was poor in most areas..
leopards do not change their spots.
how much did we miss grimes tonight.
have said it all along we have to find a chb and fb. in fact we are putting games into the wrong players mcguane is a hack rance is probably not good enough yet we play them week in week out.
why was jake batchelor on westhoff so much.
:o :o
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The first 10 or so rounds Rance was on song (people talking AA) but since then he's been well beaten by his direct forward .... Pav, Cameron and now Walker today. Is he carrying some niggle or something (?) as he's terribly lost form. He's losing contact with his opponent all to readily and is just being too slow to react and is being caught out of position which sees him lose his feet at times.
disagree rance has never been on aa track. the same things that have him in the gun this week and the last 4 weeks have always been there, and have raised their ugly head most weeks.maybe not as often as this week but most weeks hes been pooe in one area or another.
people imo have become stats gurus and stats lie. 25 possesion games doesnt necesarily mean a good game.
anyway i dont not rate him i just dont think he should play fb imo we dont have a premiership fb yet.
if there was just one player on the list who was capable of holding down fb other than rance i would be screaming for him to be played. the truth of the matter is we dont have another option for his job. but we sure as hell need to find one.
:o :o
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I TOLD YOU SO
PATHETIC
pathetic thread, honestly don't gloat because he has a bad day, where the stuff are you when he plays well, for the last 3 weeks.....!!!!
you have blinkers on if you think he played well for 3 weeks.
lets face it the exact same problems keep on coming up with rance but when people raise them they are ridiculed and ostracised. a blind man can see rances problems but i still get people talking him up as an A/A because he gets a bit of ball.
for a key defender it is totally unforgivable to regularly misjudge the ball in the air. to regularly get out bodied one on one, and to regularly get caught out of position.oh and regularly fall over in a contest. these things and more are the things that are regularly bought up. have argued he should never be allowed to play in the last line of defense because of them.
simply put he fails dismally in the primary function of a key defender.
:gobdrop
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oh dear we still have the same old debate going on.
nothing has changed with rance and its not likely to. the quicker we get a player like james frawley and pee him off the better.
:gobdrop :gobdrop
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im gunna be the odd man out here and happy to be it. but i question the talk that rance has actually improved in key areas that key defenders just have to be really good in.
hes ordinary and while we have so few decent reasonable kpds he is needed, but i have no doubt we need to aim for better if we wish to win premierships.we talk about value adding well alex is one id love to value add on,.
the trouble in having alex is the powers that be will continue to fail to add to the key defensive mess that we have.
i firmly believe we need to taget at least one GENUINE KPD either junior or mature. same goes for kpf and ruck.
:lol :lol
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One of the all-time stitch ups. Had me chuckling this morning! :snidegrin
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I TOLD YOU SO
PATHETIC
pathetic thread, honestly don't gloat because he has a bad day, where the stuff are you when he plays well, for the last 3 weeks.....!!!!
you have blinkers on if you think he played well for 3 weeks.
lets face it the exact same problems keep on coming up with rance but when people raise them they are ridiculed and ostracised. a blind man can see rances problems but i still get people talking him up as an A/A because he gets a bit of ball.
for a key defender it is totally unforgivable to regularly misjudge the ball in the air. to regularly get out bodied one on one, and to regularly get caught out of position.oh and regularly fall over in a contest. these things and more are the things that are regularly bought up. have argued he should never be allowed to play in the last line of defense because of them.
simply put he fails dismally in the primary function of a key defender.
:gobdrop
Craw, even you would have to concede that this post was over the top
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Craw, tell us more about Kamden Macintosh :snidegrin
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I vote Mat for poster of the month
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I vote Mat for poster of the month
Yep. There's no two ways about it :clapping
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Craw, tell us more about Kamden Macintosh :snidegrin
Jack will never be a key forward
Rance never make it key defender
:sleep
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing lol. I'm sure we all have old posts from a few years ago that could dragged up that would be quite amusingly (way) off the mark. At the end of the day, it's all of our opinions at each moment of time which makes the OER forum go around.
Now, back to the topic!
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing lol. I'm sure we all have old posts from a few years ago that could dragged up that would be quite amusingly (way) off the mark. At the end of the day, it's all of our opinions at each moment of time which makes the OER forum go around.
True - we all have them. But probably not on the same scale as writing off a bloke as a dud that goes on to become the best key position defender of the modern era :snidegrin
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It's always weird when you do editorials rather than links cyclops
More power to you
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing lol. I'm sure we all have old posts from a few years ago that could dragged up that would be quite amusingly (way) off the mark. At the end of the day, it's all of our opinions at each moment of time which makes the OER forum go around.
True - we all have them. But probably not on the same scale as writing off a bloke as a dud that goes on to become the best key position defender of the modern era :snidegrin
We also don't all berate people who don't agree with us, claim that we were actually correct when we clearly weren't (and claim it's 'sticking to our guns') and then tell everyone how we are always right and hardly ever wrong
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing lol. I'm sure we all have old posts from a few years ago that could dragged up that would be quite amusingly (way) off the mark. At the end of the day, it's all of our opinions at each moment of time which makes the OER forum go around.
Now, back to the topic!
I agree - I vote we bury the "Tambling" and the "jade the blade " threads at the bottom of the ocean for all of eternity . Some very embarrassing stuff there.
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Fox Footy
Watch the game's biggest names play their best ever games!
Superstar Month: Alex Rance
2012 Round 6, Port Adelaide v Richmond - Saturday, 26th December, 1:00am - 3:30am
2014 Round 15, St Kilda v Richmond - Saturday, 26th December, 3:30am - 6:00am
2014 Round 23, Sydney v Richmond - Saturday, 26th December, 6:00am - 8:30am
2015 Round 2, Richmond v Bulldogs - Saturday, 26th December, 8:30am - 11:00am
2015 Round 15, Richmond v Carlton - Saturday, 26th December, 11:00am - 1:30pm
2012 Round 2, Collingwood v Richmond - Saturday, 26th December, 1:30pm - 4:00pm
2012 Round 17, Richmond v North Melb - Saturday, 26th December, 4:00pm - 6:30pm
2015 Round 22, Essendon v Richmond - Saturday, 26th December, 6:30pm - 7:30pm
2014 Round 19, Richmond v GWS - Saturday, 26th December, 7:30pm - 10:00pm
2013 Round 17, Richmond v Fremantle - Saturday, 26th December, 10:00pm - 12:30am
https://www.foxtel.com.au/got/whats-on/tv-guide/grid/2015/12/26/0200
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Only 8 Drownlow votes....a joke... :banghead
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2014 Round 23, Sydney v Richmond - Saturday, 26th December, 6:00am - 8:30am
Still have this game recorded haha. Absolutely superhuman that day. Running back with a Gus-full-body-cramp...
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Rance back for preseason training ...
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/5c0e27dec8c3b798ce8ce25cbd1257b1?api_key=zw4msefggf9wdvqswdfuqnr5)
Source: Herald-Sun (http://heraldsun.com.au)
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Rance back for preseason training ...
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/5c0e27dec8c3b798ce8ce25cbd1257b1?api_key=zw4msefggf9wdvqswdfuqnr5)
Source: Herald-Sun (http://heraldsun.com.au)
Classic Jack.
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Reigning Jack Dyer medallist Alex Rance returned to the club at the beginning of last week after an extended off-season break, and has already worked his way into the main football program.
“First day he arrived back, you look at him, and he looks exactly the same – fit, trim and in shape – and his time-trial showed us that he’d done the work overseas,” said Burge.
“He’s a player that you know if he’s training by himself will work at absolute maximum intensity, and he’s done that.”
Source: RFC website (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-01-12/lennon-returns-to-the-fold)
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Rance interview on the RFC website:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-01-13/rances-return
* I naturally train pretty hard by myself, but there was that added incentive to come back in good shape because the club was good enough to be able to give me that break and I didn’t want to be running a rubbish time.
For a lot of the pre-seasons that I’ve come back in, I’m pretty excited about this one. We seem to have picked up where we left off last year in terms of game style and we’ve got the cohesion back. We’re training really well and looking forward to some games.
* We talk a lot internally about taking individually our games to the next level and as a group, so the thing that is really going to put us to the next level is our game-sense and knowing in-game how we can personally contribute to the team’s success. I can definitely see that everyone is really striving and pushing hard to increase their own standing amongst the group.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-01-13/rance-averts-vacay-decay
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Rance’s scare tactics (Rance surprises Grimes)
VIDEO: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/video/id-w2YTZlMDE6Jm53k224PNlJjwX2EkvYx-/Alex-Rance's-scare-tactics
:snidegrin
Richmond’s Alex Rance gives teammate Dylan Grimes a rude shock at training
Tom Morris
FOX SPORTS
January 24, 2016 12:00pm
RICHMOND defender Alex Rance is best known for his defensive exploits.
But the 26-year-old’s larrikin side was on show on Saturday, much to the amusement of his teammates.
Rance, a two-time all-Australian and widely considered the finest one-on-one defender in the AFL, hid in a ball bin. When teammate Dylan Grimes approached and opened the lid, Rance’s jumped out like a Jack-in-the-box and gave the 63-gamer a rude shock.
Richmond Football Club tweeted “Sorry Dyl, but @trossman18 (Rance) strikes again ... #waitforit,” followed by the video.
Tigers CEO Brendon Gale clearly enjoyed the footage and retweeted it on his own personal Twitter account.
Rance only returned to training this month after being granted an extended holiday in which he travelled overseas.
Grimes recently signed a three-year contract extension that will keep him at Punt Road until at least the end of 2018.
That’s three more years for Grimes to seek redemption on Rance.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/video-richmonds-alex-rance-gives-teammate-dylan-grimes-a-rude-shock-at-training/news-story/54831a09b6b7990d212b12820fa06ab7
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Sounds like they're in blistering form
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Maybe as a result of our "souring" relationship with the Hun, they must now cover all the naff articles as a % of their content?
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Genuius!
Love that poo!
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Rance interviewed on Ch 9 news:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-02-02/rance-on-the-news
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It was really nice just to get out of Australia and get footy off the brain for a little while and freshen up,” Rance said on Channel Nine.
“I feel really great now, really invigorated and ready to go again.
“We had a time trial on the first day (back after the Christmas break) and I ran pretty close to a P.B.
“I knew that I’d put in the work and I was pretty confident.”
Rance, who was recently added to Richmond’s playing leadership group, is taking a pragmatic approach to questioning about the Tigers’ capacity to take the next step in 2016 after three consecutive elimination final defeats.
“When you look too far ahead, that’s when you fall over your own shoelaces. So we’re really just focusing on the little things that can keep us in the game,” he said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-02-02/rance-raring-to-go
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I love this man more than Tom Cruise loves lord Xenu
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Turning up to preseason training in January did Rance a lot of harm ;D.
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I love this man more than Tom Cruise loves lord Xenu
:lol
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Tross' presser today ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-03-20/rance-press-conference-march-20th
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Rance ready to rise
richmondfc.com.au
March 20, 2016
Alex Rance enjoyed the best season of his seven-year league career in 2015, winning an inaugural Jack Dyer Medal and gaining All-Australian selection, but the Richmond star key defender is determined to be even better in 2016.
“I can always improve,” Rance said before the Club’s open training session at Punt Road this morning.
“There’s plenty (of room for improvement) . . . just ask ‘Dimma’ (coach Damien Hardwick) – especially decision-making things.
“It’s always been a knock on my game, since my early days, that I would rush and things like that. So, it’s just about being calm and composed.
“And, as well, about making others around me better, especially ‘Grimesy’ (Dylan Grimes), Nick Vlastuin, Dave Astbury – blokes like that, who are really starting to come into their own, to develop their own leadership skills and to help them to thrive as well.”
Rance strongly endorsed the Club’s recent decision to extend coach Damien Hardwick’s contract by a further two years beyond 2016.
“We’re always behind him, we believe in the direction and the values that he’s given us over the past six years, and we’re really confident that we’re going to have some successful times with him,” Rance said.
The 26-year-old veteran of 130 games, also is adamant the Tigers are well equipped to cover a recent spate of injuries to players.
“We believe in the depth that we’ve got at the Club,” he said.
“We’ve got a few injuries, but most clubs have injuries, too.
“It’s just something you’ve got to cope with throughout the whole season, and it’s nothing that’s really worrying us.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-20/rance-ready-to-rise
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Rance, 26, has become one of the elite defenders in the competition. He is Richmond's reigning best and fairest and was named as a starting key defender in the past two All Australian teams, but he said he can get better.
"I can always improve, just ask Dimma (coach Damien Hardwick)," Rance joked.
He nominated decision-making as an area he had worked on in the pre-season.
"It's always been a knock on my game, since my early days. I'd always rush," he said.
"It's just about being calm and composed."
Rance will also look to mentor his fellow defenders, having been recently elevated to the Tigers' leadership group, joining Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Ivan Maric and Shane Edwards.
"[I can] make others around me better.
"With [Dylan] Grimes, Nick Vlastuin, Dave Astbury, blokes like that who are really starting to come into their own – [I can help them] develop their own leadership skills."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-20/yarran-faces-fitness-battle-after-presenting-for-preseason-in-poor-condition
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AFL Exchange Podcast
AFL.com.au
March 28, 2016
Richmond's Alex Rance joins AFL Media's Matt Thompson and Peter Ryan for an entertaining take on the latest football news. Analysis, wit and insightful match previews bring you up to speed on all things AFL.
This week on AFL Exchange ...
• Alex Rance gives an insight into the hair-testing system: how it works, why the players agreed to it, and why he now feels a 'sense of betrayal' after results were leaked to the public.
• Which side surprised us most in round one?
• What's the assessment of the new rules, in particular the new deliberate out-of-bounds interpretation?
• In our new segment 'Rance Ranks…', Alex shares what he thinks are the three most important attributes to succeeding as an AFL player.
Listen here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/afl-exchange-podcast.workstation
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Not his best game tonight. They got under his skin
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Lost the game for us with his brain farts of old.
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That kick across goal was dumb, but that was in fact cotch's mistake, instead of going back to the boundary to a free player he dinked a 10 metre kick to rance and put him under unnecessary pressure, he then panicked and took the wrong option, but cotch was the architect of that one
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That kick across goal was dumb, but that was in fact cotch's mistake, instead of going back to the boundary to a free player he dinked a 10 metre kick to rance and put him under unnecessary pressure, he then panicked and took the wrong option, but cotch was the architect of that one
Plus a pee poor effort by Hunt not to at least get the ball over the line for a throw in.
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that goes without saying, that cat was like a rabbit in headlights all game, was he trying to pickup soap? stuff me hes poo
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Not Rance's finest game.
That qtr across the ground kick was a killer
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Not sure about Rance at the moment, yes he is an AA defender but lately I just see in his body language that being the elite player he is may have finally gone to his head. Always appearing to be of a laconic nature and the joker at training etc. I just wonder whether the big bucks and the feeling of being one of the first picked in the team does eventually with some players take the edge of their performance. I hope I am wrong and he bounces back from one of his few bad games of recent times but just have a feeling that he along with some of his teammates are well off the pace at the moment.
As a side note you have to wonder what we have done during our pre season to have so many players appearing to be out of touch. Our tactic of playing fringe players in our very first pre season hit out also doesn't sit right for me. Given our slow start to just about every season you would have to think that we would have attempted to change things up pre season to try and overcome this but instead its another groundhog day.
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He signed the big contract whilst blinded by the Richmond propaganda machine.
Like us all, he also was expecting the promised "big fish" and he thought it a priority that we had a decent replacement for the aging Chaplin & Maric.
But again like all of us, when he looks around him to what has been, what's current and what's ahead in the future, he has realised he has sealed his own fate and will NEVER see a premiership and possibly NEVER win a final.
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Poor guy looked spent when grimes went down
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The whole backline was under pressure when Grimes went down and Astbury went off for about 10 minutes with a hand injury they got a run on. Lack of rotations after Grimes went off really hurt us. They were spent late in the last and that was the major contributor to the turnovers and lack or run. Really evident at the ground.
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This is why we needed someone like Henderson. Swing man. Should have traded Griffiths and a pick for Henderson. Play Henderson fwd and if a defender goes down Henderson goes back.
Crap list management again
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If even half our list could play to the standard of Rance's poor game last night we probably would have won
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If even half our list could play to the standard of Rance's poor game last night we probably would have won
yep
its all relative
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wasnt he directed to kick that ball to CHB?
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This is why we needed someone like Henderson. Swing man. Should have traded Griffiths and a pick for Henderson. Play Henderson fwd and if a defender goes down Henderson goes back.
Crap list management again
Tomlinson & Hurley next year, Callum Moore waiting in the wings... :shh
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This is why we needed someone like Henderson. Swing man. Should have traded Griffiths and a pick for Henderson. Play Henderson fwd and if a defender goes down Henderson goes back.
Crap list management again
Tomlinson & Hurley next year, Callum Moore waiting in the wings... :shh
You seem to rate Callum Moore, Dioc.
What do you see in him?
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Good mark, gets to the right positions, good size, plays both ends...only knock a touch of John Butcher in front of goal- but a decent field kick...still very raw though ....probably still a year or two away...
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Good mark, gets to the right positions, good size, plays both ends...only knock a touch of John Butcher in front of goal- but a decent field kick...still very raw though ....probably still a year or two away...
Fair enough. Hopefully he comes on.
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Misses his mate Chappy, will have a blinder this week when Chappy comes in for grimes :thumbsup
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Batch or Chap. Pick your poison
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Grimes, Chappy, Batch all work well with Rance. I still question Astbury
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Rance discussing the Collingwood loss:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/afl-exchange-podcast.workstation
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Grimes, Chappy, Batch all work well with Rance. I still question Astbury
lol
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Cost us the game did Rance
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Without this guy
It'd be a lot more of a shambles at punt road than the current joke
Of a football club
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Cost us the game did Rance
Was keeping us in it
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Cost us the game did Rance
Was keeping us in it
Yeah with that beautiful lace out pass to the opposition.
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Cost us the game did Rance
Was keeping us in it
Yeah with that beautiful lace out pass to the opposition.
No with recovering other idiots mistakes / soft type efforts , again and again and again
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:bow
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X2 :bow :bow
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Missing those two weeks was costly. Has to be worth 4 goal a game.
Shied his value tonight even with Budy kicking 5
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Alex Rance is a champion.
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Buddy would have kicked 10 if Rance was out. This man is a beast
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Not all of those 5 were on Rance either. I think it was only 3 on Rance? One was a strong grab and one or two were from frees by Rance. Rance is better than Buddy at his own game. Rance doesn't let Buddy take contested marks and the usually beats him on the deck.
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Last quarter was as good as cotchins quarter vs Sydney went he went in god mode
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yep dwaino, reckon he pantsed buddy in about 10 1 on 1 contests
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What a player. What a man.
Badly needs a sidekick.
Also grimes showed his worth again tonight.
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Franklin v Rance
The keenly anticipated one-on-one battle between the best forward and best defender in the AFL did not disappoint. Whenever the ball went into an inside 50 only inhabited by these two guns it was brilliant entertainment. In most of those battles Rance won, his desperation allowing him to turn Franklin inside out. But Buddy won the war. He had five goals by three quarter-time, his biggest haul against Rance, and his second biggest tally against Richmond. However, the reality was, no-one could have contained Buddy better than Rance, and the brilliant full-back’s performance in the last five minutes was instrumental in the Tigers winning.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-14/five-talking-points-richmond-v-sydney-swans
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Rance gets last laugh in Buddy battle
Herald-Sun
15th May 2016
Held to two goals and 10 touches in their only meeting last year, the strutting superstar Swan Lance Franklin had a point to prove.
A high tackle here, a fend off there, the proud Franklin meant business.
Richmond’s 2015 club champion Alex Rance was also keen to leave his mark on the contest early, flattening Franklin and conceding a free kick which handed Franklin his opening goal inside the first four minutes of the game.
By three-quarter time, the three-time Coleman Medallist had kicked five goals including one from 60 metres out in the first term, which had to be seen to be believed.
How the Tigers could have allowed the left-footer to casually run around and accept a handball like that is baffling.
Rance’s big tackle on Franklin on the wing early in the final term helped the Tigers push forward for their ninth goal, narrowing the margin to six points.
The Tigers hit the front and with Franklin looking threatening, Rance stepped up again with a big tackle on Franklin. The one-on-one contests between the pair stood at six apiece, but a goal to Dan Hannebery cut Richmond’s advantage to two points.
Kurt Tippett, whose first goal of the game came from a pass from Franklin, marked strongly and kicked a goal with seven minutes remaining to give the Swans a 10-point break and Rance’s heroic efforts against the game’s best key forward looked like they’d be in vain.
With a tick over two minutes left, Franklin kicked long towards the goalsquare. The Swans were five points in front. Could they get a sealer?
It was Rance who took the saving mark, but the Tigers struggled to get another forward entry.
Again Franklin (18 possession) pumped the ball forward, again the Tigers rebounded. This time they did go forward and Sam Lloyd kicked the winning goal after the siren.
IT was a remarkable finish, leaving Franklin to stand hands on hips in at half-back, wondering what happened.
Franklin shook hands with a few Richmond players and when he crossed paths with Rance, they hugged.
They’ll have plenty more duels to come.
The 136-game veteran Rance, who had 14 possessions, said it was the best win he’d ever been involved in, snapping Richmond’s six-game losing streak.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/alex-rance-gets-last-laugh-in-battle-with-lance-franklin-in-richmonds-win-over-sydney/news-story/cb65a905454ff39b89ee9e933d15fc2c
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Edwards and Rance's tackle against Franklin was brilliant. Rance not only beat Lance one on one he pushed off his man and stopped other swans marking.
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Not all of those 5 were on Rance either. I think it was only 3 on Rance? One was a strong grab and one or two were from frees by Rance. Rance is better than Buddy at his own game. Rance doesn't let Buddy take contested marks and the usually beats him on the deck.
Rance's face when Ling said Buddy kicked 5 on him. He didn't agree either :lol
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Not all of those 5 were on Rance either. I think it was only 3 on Rance? One was a strong grab and one or two were from frees by Rance. Rance is better than Buddy at his own game. Rance doesn't let Buddy take contested marks and the usually beats him on the deck.
Rance's face when Ling said Buddy kicked 5 on him. He didn't agree either :lol
Franklin gets the points for mine kicking 5. Straight kicking is good footy. Rance certainly didn't let himself down though.
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Not sure they were all on Rance but I agree, Buddy gets the points. Also agree with everyone else that if it weren't Rance on him he could have had 10. Imagine it was Chaplin playing on him :lol
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Not sure they were all on Rance but I agree, Buddy gets the points. Also agree with everyone else that if it weren't Rance on him he could have had 10. Imagine it was Chaplin playing on him :lol
Fred Fanning's bones would have been trembling if the latter had occurred! :lol
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Not all of those 5 were on Rance either. I think it was only 3 on Rance? One was a strong grab and one or two were from frees by Rance. Rance is better than Buddy at his own game. Rance doesn't let Buddy take contested marks and the usually beats him on the deck.
Rance's face when Ling said Buddy kicked 5 on him. He didn't agree either :lol
Franklin gets the points for mine kicking 5. Straight kicking is good footy. Rance certainly didn't let himself down though.
Why it's it always 1v1 contests
Why does he get so little hell from his team mates ...
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What a champion
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Yeah equal to Edwards in importance even....
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Not all of those 5 were on Rance either. I think it was only 3 on Rance? One was a strong grab and one or two were from frees by Rance. Rance is better than Buddy at his own game. Rance doesn't let Buddy take contested marks and the usually beats him on the deck.
Rance's face when Ling said Buddy kicked 5 on him. He didn't agree either :lol
Franklin gets the points for mine kicking 5. Straight kicking is good footy. Rance certainly didn't let himself down though.
Why it's it always 1v1 contests
Why does he get so little help from his team mates ...
probably one of your best posts. Great call
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Yeah equal to Edwards in importance even....
Yeah , one excitable person said that , hardly indicative of anything
Small sample size to be claim he Edwards is vastly overrated
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Yeah you only said he was equal with Martin.....
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Yeah martin needs to pull his socks up
A player of such talent should be far ahead of titch ... But he's not
Rance is the best player at the club (if not th league) by fair margin
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Richmond star Alex Rance is the modern-day Glenn Archer
Wayne Carey
The Age
4 June 2016
In the early '90s, I remember going down to Arden St to watch the Kangaroos' under-19 side and that's when I saw this kid called Glenn Archer play for the first time.
What struck me about him, apart from how hard he was at the ball, was his marking ability. For a mid-sized bloke, he was very strong overhead.
The club wasn't sure what kind of player he'd become - whether he'd be a forward or a defender - or whether he even wanted to commit to being a full-time AFL footballer. It was Denis Pagan, the under-19's coach at that time, who helped convince Arch to give footy a real crack. Early in Arch's career – he made his senior debut in 1992 - I was constantly remarking on his toughness, but it took the footy world a little bit of time to appreciate his intensity and attack on the footy.
Because of that pure aggression, and will to win, whether in the air or on the ground, Arch was able to play on all types of opponents, small and big.
He played on the great Matthew Richardson who stood 197cms, giving away 15cms. He also regularly lined up on Chris Grant (193cms) and smaller forwards such as Brad Johnson (182cms). Denis was also happy to play him on forward pockets when required. That allowed Glenn to peel off and support his fellow defenders, something he did naturally. He had this great ability to negate his opponent but then help out a teammate. All the good defenders, the ones who read the game really well, do this.
And because of his great courage, he had no problems standing in the hole at centre half-back, trying to cut off the supply to leading full-forwards such as Tony Lockett, Gary Ablett and Jason Dunstall, always a daunting prospect.
Arch also had the ability to push forward and kick vital goals when the side needed it; he was a very reliable kick.
For all those qualities, I still think his attack and ferocity at the footy is unequalled in all the time I've been involved in the game – which is almost 30 years now. Not one opponent would have enjoyed the sight of Arch coming their way before the opening bounce; they knew they'd be made to earn every kick for the next two hours.
I got to thinking about Glenn this week because there's a guy playing in Hobart tonight who reminds me a lot of him, and that's Richmond's Alex Rance. I actually think Alex is the modern-day Archer. Obviously Rance is taller and heavier – he's listed as being 194cms and 96kgs, while the media guide has Arch at 182cms and 93kgs – but that's about the only obvious difference.
Just like Archer, Rance is able to turn 30-70 situations against him into a win because of his talent, sheer competitiveness and hatred of being beaten. The Richmond man's desperation and courage in the air bring back memories of Arch, and what I witnessed at North week after week for 200-plus games.
Like Archer, Rance is at all times the consummate team player. His primary focus is to beat his opponent but the number of times he covers for his fellow-defenders by reading the play is amazing. Whether courageously going back into a pack, or leaving his man to run 30 metres and meet an oncoming opponent, Rance always puts team first.
Most of the time the Tiger takes the opposition's best forward: whether it's a tall like Lance Franklin or a small like Eddie Betts. He's played on both of those guys this year.
And you have to remember that key forwards in the modern game are much better protected than they were 20 years ago: there's no chopping of the arms, no holding allowed off the ball and the third umpire watches everything like a hawk. Also, players generally use the footy much better, so I think forwards can take advantage of those things and score a lot of easier goals.
I rate Rance as Richmond's most important player. He's just about the complete package. He's also got a bit of mongrel in him: the forearm to the back of Jack Watts' head a few weeks ago – although very much out of character – had a bit of Arch about it, too.
Comparing his stats with Glenn's, he gets more of the footy, takes more uncontested marks and lays more tackles. The contested marks were roughly even but Arch kicked a lot more goals having spent more time forward. And, of course, my old teammate had an intimidation factor that can't be measured.
Alex is a dual All-Australian and reigning Jack Dyer Medallist and, at 26, is just entering the peak of his career. Glenn, in his 311 games, was a three-time All-Australian, dual premiership winner and winner of the Norm Smith Medal in the 1996 Grand Final.
As a footballer, I think Rance is more polished and perhaps more consistent than Archer – he only plays two or three bad games a year. He's as courageous as the former North man, too.
So who would I choose if I was coaching the ultimate fantasy team? Well, both if I could. Purely as a footballer, though, I'm taking Rance; but if I'm going into the trenches, I'd want Arch by my side.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-star-alex-rance-is-the-modernday-glenn-archer-says-kangaroos-great-wayne-carey-20160602-gpa2fw.html
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7's Commentators are always annoying but they were right with one thing last night... Where would be without this guy?
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Where would be without this guy?
....about 20 goals down last night instead of 12 for a start.....
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Way better than glen archer FFs
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Contact between Richmond’s Alex Rance and North Melbourne’s Jarrad Waite from the second quarter of Friday’s match was assessed. The panel said Waite took possession and was immediately tackled by Rance. Rance rotated and took Waite to the ground with one arm pinned. It is the view of the panel that the tackle was unreasonable in the circumstances and should have seen a free kick paid to the North Melbourne player. While the action constituted a free kick, the panel said high contact for Waite was caused by his head landing on the football, which was outside Rance’s control. It was the view then a report should not be laid and no further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-06/match-review-panel-full-statement-round-11
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Contact between Richmond’s Alex Rance and North Melbourne’s Jarrad Waite from the second quarter of Friday’s match was assessed. The panel said Waite took possession and was immediately tackled by Rance. Rance rotated and took Waite to the ground with one arm pinned. It is the view of the panel that the tackle was unreasonable in the circumstances and should have seen a free kick paid to the North Melbourne player. While the action constituted a free kick, the panel said high contact for Waite was caused by his head landing on the football, which was outside Rance’s control. It was the view then a report should not be laid and no further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-06/match-review-panel-full-statement-round-11
The game is well and truly stuffed if that was a free kick. Not because it was Alex Rance or the RFC, that was a perfect tackle. There was no intent to hurt, he was just hard and tough in the tackle.
I'd even cope the weeks if he had of knocked that pick out.
I hate North!
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Contact between Richmond’s Alex Rance and North Melbourne’s Jarrad Waite from the second quarter of Friday’s match was assessed. The panel said Waite took possession and was immediately tackled by Rance. Rance rotated and took Waite to the ground with one arm pinned. It is the view of the panel that the tackle was unreasonable in the circumstances and should have seen a free kick paid to the North Melbourne player. While the action constituted a free kick, the panel said high contact for Waite was caused by his head landing on the football, which was outside Rance’s control. It was the view then a report should not be laid and no further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-06/match-review-panel-full-statement-round-11
The game is well and truly stuffed if that was a free kick. Not because it was Alex Rance or the RFC, that was a perfect tackle. There was no intent to hurt, he was just hard and tough in the tackle.
I'd even cope the weeks if he had of knocked that pick out.
I hate North!
A lot on people feel the same way ...
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:bow
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If you lined up every afl player in the yard would
Be one of the first 3-4 picked
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From Jon Ralph's "Likes" column:
3. ALEX RANCE
Let’s not even consider the basket case Richmond’s backline — and form line — would be without this colossus.
The question was raised on Friday night’s telecast whether he was the greatest defender of the modern era.
In the Fox Footy green room, Dermott Brereton wondered out loud: but what about Carlton champion Bruce Doull?
Case rested, your honour.
If we are even daring to mention Rance in the same sentence as Doull, this bloke is a champion.
We can’t forget the greatness of Dustin Fletcher and Matthew Scarlett, who stopped the best then later ended up playing on inferior forwards to maximise their bounce from the backline.
But right now, it’s hard to think of a key defender in the past generation who has his extraordinary mix of intercept marking, timing, strong hands, selfless play to leave his man, and rebound from defence.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-15-dreamers-good-blokes-and-ty-vickery-dummy-spits/news-story/11ec302813898c207fb690a4301c8acd
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Such a shame that his prime is being wasted .
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(Way) Better than Scarlett
Fletcher lol
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its a shame some of our own supporters dont give him full credit for the player he is
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its a shame some of our own supporters dont give him full credit for the player he is
Some of the same people whom rate grigg Hampson Chaplin
Unbelievable
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Trade him for 3 first rounders, then pick him up for free agency when our premiership window opens. Why not make the agreement with him now?
Dodgy as but no rule to stop this from happening.
Scully could go back to Melbourne for nothing soon. This could have been a clever agreemant. So Dees lose Scully for 2 first rounders. Then get him back when they are challenging.
Do it with Dusty too. Send him to the Lions who will give up the world for a young gun and have him walk back to use when available. We gain 4 first rounder draft picks and in 3 years time have Rance and Dusty back.
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pretty sure the time period for free agency qualification is with one club
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Methinks Tigerland posts on BF as "Mr. Magic".....
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Methinks Tigerland posts on BF as "Mr. Magic".....
I thought we had our own on OER ("Mr. Magic" that is)?
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He is on hiatus until Shed has another good game
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He is on hiatus until Shed has another good game
gold
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He is on hiatus until Shed has another good game
:lol
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He is on hiatus until Shed has another good game
Ha!
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https://audioboom.com/boos/4783258-is-rance-headed-for-the-exit-at-punt-rd
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:-X
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https://audioboom.com/boos/4783258-is-rance-headed-for-the-exit-at-punt-rd
:lol
Mr Zero Credibility at it again :rollin
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What reason does he have to stay?
Circus
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Rance to walk away from a 4-year contract ............. yeah right, Waldron! ::) :stupid
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Why not it's ok for yarren Mckenzie
Living in Monaco for a few years vs playing with Hampson and grigg
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Why not it's ok for yarren Mckenzie
Living in Monaco for a few years vs playing with Hampson and grigg
Completely different scenarios. Rance doesn't suffer from depression.
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Most of us supporters do though
Following the Tiges is hard work at best of times
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Why not it's ok for yarren Mckenzie
Living in Monaco for a few years vs playing with Hampson and grigg
Completely different scenarios. Rance doesn't suffer from depression.
Not yet
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The Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart of defenders
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If you want to get real idea of how good he is and how truly crap we are.....try and think of how many matches we would've won this year without Rance....
I can seriously only think of one - the first Essendon match.....and even that's 50/50...
EDIT: Maybe Freo as well.....though our best defender that night was the weather...
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Only bloke who gave a stuff today. 24 disposals and 9 marks into the last from your full back is a great effort when he's under siege from an opposition side that has no pressure on them upfield.
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Only bloke who gave a stuff today. 24 disposals and 9 marks into the last from your full back is a great effort when he's under siege from an opposition side that has no pressure on them upfield.
Only saw a bit of it but rance wS saving about a goal every 3 mins ...
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We would fold without this guy.
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Will walk.....
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Will walk.....
As he should. Why would you hang around a club with no leadership at any level.
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Will walk.....
As he should. Why would you hang around a club with no leadership at any level.
Troy Chaplin now his coach
Telling rance what to to do ...
You couldn't make this crap up
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Will walk.....
As he should. Why would you hang around a club with no leadership at any level.
Actually the club has someone with leadership and his name is Alex Rance
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Will walk.....
As he should. Why would you hang around a club with no leadership at any level.
Actually the club has someone with leadership and his name is Alex Rance
Yes he does but it falls away thereafter unfortunately.
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Will walk.....
As he should. Why would you hang around a club with no leadership at any level.
Actually the club has someone with leadership and his name is Alex Rance
Way better than SOS
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Richmond needs to invest in cloning
It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to work out that the Tigers have some serious holes – or more like craters – in their list, and if they have any spare change they need to find a way to clone Alex Rance. The All Australian defender was his team's best against the Giants by the length of Manuka with 26 touches, 14 of them contested, nine marks and five rebound 50s, and won his battles with Jeremy Cameron, Jon Patton, plus any of the other GWS forwards he was thrown onto. Richmond's hierarchy must thank God at least 100 times a day that the West Australian chose to re-sign with the club, and it seems his reward is another season of pain. If the Tigers do get themselves a cloning program, they should zap gun forward Jack Riewoldt while they're at it.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-30/five-talking-points-gws-v-richmond
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Would have lost by a record margin but for Rance. He deserves enormous praise. A selfless player who tries his best every game
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Not only covered and shut down his own man but countless times left his man to do the same to someone else's man.
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Yet a significant portion of the Adelaide supporter base think Talia is a much better player :lol
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Yet a significant portion of the Adelaide supporter base think Talia is a much better player :lol
Some of our supporters have even said the same thing
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Talia is a gun
#2 after sir rance
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From Robbo's 'likes' column:
Alex Rance
He would’ve gone insane with frustration on Saturday afternoon, wondering what in the hell was happening in his midfield. Talk about under siege. And if Rance didn’t play, the Tigers would’ve lost by 140 points and not by 88. Rance had 17 intercept possessions, the second most by any player this season and the sixth most ever recorded, and that’s not counting his spoils and tackles and pressure. Arguably, he was the best performed player on the ground.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-19/news-story/9d1717b582a9424c77bbb8c669ae5b0a
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I think Rance should be captain going forward. Crawford was a similar personality have no issue with that side.
You go to war with Rance.
Thinking that we won't get close to flag with GWS monopoly. Would anyone entertain trading Rance? Best defender in game. We could get a deal like Judd deal and collect 3 A grade players? Are we winning a premiership with Rance?
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I think Rance should be captain going forward. Crawford was a similar personality have no issue with that side.
You go to war with Rance.
Thinking that we won't get close to flag with GWS monopoly. Would anyone entertain trading Rance? Best defender in game. We could get a deal like Judd deal and collect 3 A grade players? Are we winning a premiership with Rance?
Never trade Rance.....never!! The best defender I have ever seen in 40+ years of watching this game. I agree with you re making him the captain.
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From Robbo's 'likes' column:
Alex Rance
He would’ve gone insane with frustration on Saturday afternoon, wondering what in the hell was happening in his midfield. Talk about under siege. And if Rance didn’t play, the Tigers would’ve lost by 140 points and not by 88. Rance had 17 intercept possessions, the second most by any player this season and the sixth most ever recorded, and that’s not counting his spoils and tackles and pressure. Arguably, he was the best performed player on the ground.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-19/news-story/9d1717b582a9424c77bbb8c669ae5b0a
Looking at Rance the rest of the team should hang their heads in shame letting the warrior take up their slack.
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I do think you could get a ripper deal for him and I still say no. Just too good and the only player that is actually entertaining to watch outside Dusty. Too bad he has no intentions/desire to become captain
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I think Rance should be captain going forward. Crawford was a similar personality have no issue with that side.
You go to war with Rance.
Thinking that we won't get close to flag with GWS monopoly. Would anyone entertain trading Rance? Best defender in game. We could get a deal like Judd deal and collect 3 A grade players? Are we winning a premiership with Rance?
No we won't. We probably never will so one of the joys of watching us is watching Rance kicking arse. If that's the best we get for our lifetime then so be it, better than nothing I guess. :clapping :clapping
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Getting sick of the BF morons & Groupie Mrakov's unfunny homo jokes tigs?
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Getting sick of the BF morons & Groupie Mrakov's unfunny homo jokes tigs?
:lol :lol gave up posting pretty much altogether late last year.
Still been reading here though you funny idiots :lol
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Rance deserves to be looked after: Deledio
Jay Clark
Herald Sun
August 1, 2016
RICHMOND midfielder Brett Deledio says gun defender Alex Rance deserves to have a longer off-season break than his teammates because of his exemplary performance.
There have been reports of disharmony at Richmond because Rance enjoys a longer summer break away from the club than others.
The Tigers agreed to his extended annual leave request when the 26-year-old re-signed a lucrative four-year deal to stay at Punt Rd last season.
But Deledio was adamant there was no friction about it among the playing ranks and that teammates only joked about Rance’s longer off-season break as part of normal footy club banter.
“It’s like any other footy club, it’s about ribbing him (Rance) and giving him a bit of stick more than anything else,” Deledio said last week on Triple M.
“Alex has certainly shown that he deserves to be looked after.
“You want to almost make sure that he is in pristine condition.”
Rance won Richmond’s best and fairest last year and is favoured to finish in the top-two this season alongside star midfielder Dustin Martin, after another excellent season.
The powerhouse defender is aiming for his third-straight All-Australian guernsey.
The West Australian has played 16 games this season and is on track to play his 150th match against Sydney Swans at the SCG in Round 23.
Deledio said Rance has earned the off-season privilege and kept himself in top condition during his break anyway.
“Without being back day one (of preseason) with everyone else, he came back (from the longer break) and ran a PB (personal best) last year when he did come back, so he certainly looks after himself,” Deledio said.
“He certainly does everything right to get those breaks.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/brett-deledio-says-richmond-teammate-alex-rance-deserves-longer-offseason-break/news-story/8685cc3e6a4bbfaedb482dcf367716d4
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shutup Lids, talks absolute crap this bloke. So what youre basically saying is the the precedent has been set, have a gun year = you deserve the extra time off
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The club handled this poorly. What they should have done is told the media Rance took a 25% reduction in pay because he was going to 0.75 EFT.
The 25% of time off he takes is over the summer break which he makes a bit longer.
Everyone is then happy!
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shutup Lids, talks absolute crap this bloke. So what youre basically saying is the the precedent has been set, have a gun year = you deserve the extra time off
Best defender of last 50 years
Give him as much time off as he wants
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shutup Lids, talks absolute crap this bloke. So what youre basically saying is the the precedent has been set, have a gun year = you deserve the extra time off
Best defender of last 50 years
Give him as much time off as he wants
Geez :-[
Rance is an out and out gun but are you simply going to disregard Silvagni, Langford, Jakovich Scarlett?
The best 3 players of the last 50 years werent taking extra time off - I'll accept the decision, but dont agree with it
FWIW langford is the best key defender Ive ever seen
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I reckon he's slightly ahead SOS / jacko / Scarlett
Just IMHO
I got no problem with him not doing full preseason. Would be happy for others on the list to do It too - if they become once in generation players
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Rance received the equal most votes from both coaches.
GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY v RICHMOND
8 Alex Rance (Rich)
8 Tom Scully (GWS)
6 Stephen Coniglio (GWS)
4 Shane Mumford (GWS)
2 Steve Johnson (GWS)
2 Heath Shaw (GWS)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-01/aflca-votes-round-19
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Getting sick of the BF morons & Groupie Mrakov's unfunny homo jokes tigs?
:lol :lol gave up posting pretty much altogether late last year.
Still been reading here though you funny stuffers :lol
:-[ I miss seeing your avatar pop up from time to time :thumbsup
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Amazing player.
To score 8, tied top in a game your team got thrashed shows how good of a player this guy is, would have lost by way over 100 without him.
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Rance received the equal most votes from both coaches.
GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY v RICHMOND
8 Alex Rance (Rich)
8 Tom Scully (GWS)
6 Stephen Coniglio (GWS)
4 Shane Mumford (GWS)
2 Steve Johnson (GWS)
2 Heath Shaw (GWS)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-01/aflca-votes-round-19
That surely has to be a first in any 10 + goal loss, let alone a 15 goal loss....remember Judd getting 3 Brownlow votes a 50 odd point loss to Collingwood (that he didn't deserve and cost Swan the Brownlow -which was funny because it made Fathead cry).
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Rance received the equal most votes from both coaches.
GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY v RICHMOND
8 Alex Rance (Rich)
8 Tom Scully (GWS)
6 Stephen Coniglio (GWS)
4 Shane Mumford (GWS)
2 Steve Johnson (GWS)
2 Heath Shaw (GWS)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-01/aflca-votes-round-19
That surely has to be a first in any 10 + goal loss, let alone a 15 goal loss....remember Judd getting 3 Brownlow votes a 50 odd point loss to Collingwood (that he didn't deserve and cost Swan the Brownlow -which was funny because it made Fathead cry).
Fathead... :lol
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As if there's disharmony in the group...
...would love to see any of the other whingers hold a candle to Rance's effort and commitment...
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shutup Lids, talks absolute crap this bloke. So what youre basically saying is the the precedent has been set, have a gun year = you deserve the extra time off
Best defender of last 50 years
Give him as much time off as he wants
Geez :-[
Rance is an out and out gun but are you simply going to disregard Silvagni, Langford, Jakovich Scarlett?
The best 3 players of the last 50 years werent taking extra time off - I'll accept the decision, but dont agree with it
FWIW langford is the best key defender Ive ever seen
You forgot Kelvin Moore in that list :shh
BTW I previously agreed with what you were saying until now. Just seeing him bust his ass all year is unbelievable. Nothing to do with him being a gun or our best player but he's the only one that busts his gut all game every game
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morris had his faults, but gave his all, at all times too.
a few of his more skilled prima dona team mates could take a leaf out of his book
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morris had his faults, but gave his all, at all times too.
a few of his more skilled prima dona team mates could take a leaf out of his book
True, forgot he was even on the list
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:bluesbros
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Unbelievable footballer...
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His 150th game will be against sydney in rnd 23.......
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Freak!
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Freak!
God
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Has no help from Arsebury :rollin
Has to do twice as much because he has no one helping.
Best defender by a mile
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Could be the best player i have ever seen in :clapping
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Trade him for Hurley. We need a key back who can play on the gorillas :snidegrin
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Trade him for Hurley. We need a key back who can play on the gorillas :snidegrin
Rance
Hurley
Grimes
Markov
George
C Ellis
Menadue
Lids
Yarren?
Do it :pray
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Could be the best player i have ever seen in :clapping
Ling or Bruce called him the goal keeper - he's more like the sweeper or libro changed the game just a bit.
Playin CHB / FB , from the middle of the ground at times , covering strugglers like Houli Chaplin astbury consistently. Pretty amazing to watch
Could be better if he didn't always hae to save his team mates and attack more.
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Trade him for Hurley. We need a key back who can play on the gorillas :snidegrin
Rance
Hurley
Grimes
Markov
George
C Ellis
Menadue
Lids
Yarren?
Do it :pray
Danny boy won't compromise the pay structure that's based on Geelong's premiership sides from 5 - 10 years ago and before free agency.......
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IMHO, he is our best player, consistent and epitomises the "fight and fight and win" philosophy.
Every time I see him in RFC colours it makes me proud to support our team.
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“I think he’s the best player in the competition,” Danny Frawley said on Triple M, following another outstanding performance by Rance, in the Tigers’ win against Collingwood at the MCG last Friday night.
Rance had 26 disposals, including 11 contested possessions, a game-high 10 intercepts, nine rebound-50s and eight marks.
“He is just a freak,” Frawley said.
“He’s actually now going into Scarlett territory, and before him Silvagni . . . and I never thought I’d say that.
“But I think Rance nearly has got them both covered.
“Rance can play small or tall . . .”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-09/frawleys-massive-rance-rating
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Rance > Scarlett :shh
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Would take Rance in his prime over Scarlett.
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Would take Rance in his prime over Scarlett.
:clapping agreed
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Rance is the best defender in the game, by a long way
Richmond may have suffered an agonising loss, but there is no way you could blame star defender Alex Rance. As has been the case for much of this season, Rance was outstanding against the Cats. It's hard to remember the Tigers star losing a one-on-one contest during the game, as he totally nullified Geelong spearhead Tom Hawkins, keeping him to one goal, four marks and 14 disposals. Rance's ability to keep his balance in contests and then maintain his composure when the ball hits the deck is peerless in the AFL. Despite the games he missed through suspension, there is little doubt he should be an All Australian for the third time at the end of the season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-14/five-talking-points-richmond-v-geelong
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3 votes for me
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If I was Rance, I'd be out of there.
He's too good to play for this poo club and admin.
Deserves more.
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If I was Rance, I'd be out of there.
He's too good to play for this poo club and admin.
Deserves more.
If you were a Richmond supporter, would you barrack for Richmond?
Oh wait....
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Fortunately for us he's a JW and seems money isn't a big factor otherwise he could well be demanding over 1.2m a season.
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Fortunately for us he's a JW and seems money isn't a big factor otherwise he could well be demanding over 1.2m a season.
Deserves more than that carrying our backline
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Fortunately for us he's a JW and seems money isn't a big factor otherwise he could well be demanding over 1.2m a season.
Way more..
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Which players can be trusted not to lose contests when an opposition kick comes their way?
Perhaps surprisingly, Richmond jet Alex Rance doesn't top the list.
The Tigers champ is still very hard to beat and only loses a quarter of one-on-one contests – admittedly against the AFL's absolute elite forwards most of the time.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-23/the-stats-files-whos-the-top-target
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Goes on to say Dustin wins 60% of one on ones (Danger 53%) but they both didn't make the 30 contest cut off.
Dusty :clapping :clapping
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Rance > dusty
Goat ? :shh
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The article ranks dale morris #1 then harry taylor then mcgovern. I would like to see any of them taken on an entire gws forward line like Rance had to
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Alex Rance's latest venture.
I think I will offer my services. :lol
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-defender-alex-rances-latest-creation-a-school-20160824-gr03hh.html
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if you do, dont get involved in political studies please
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if you do, dont get involved in political studies please
Maths teacher by trade. :lol
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Rance plays his 150th game this weekend :clapping :bow.
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Alex_Rance.html
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Congratulations to a true champion of the game. Bloody lucky to have him in our team.
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Rance to take on the entire sydney forward line once again.
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In all my time watching footy, I've never seen a more dominate backman than Alex Rance.
Congratulations to the bloke.
Easlly my favourite player to watch.
Gives his all 100% of the time.
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Him and Dustin would literally be keeping 50% of people watching our games. Without them we'd have nothing.
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Him and Dustin would literally be keeping 50% of people watching our games. Without them we'd have nothing.
Add Rioli and now Markov as the future and you have 100%.....
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Him and Dustin would literally be keeping 50% of people watching our games. Without them we'd have nothing.
Add Rioli and now Markov as the future and you have 100%.....
And Chol Doc (hopefully). Dont forget the Chol.
Kid could be anything
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Him and Dustin would literally be keeping 50% of people watching our games. Without them we'd have nothing.
Add Rioli and now Markov as the future and you have 100%.....
And Chol Doc (hopefully). Dont forget the Chol.
Kid could be anything
Oh yes. How could I forget the Chol? He will be special, but I think he'll need a year or two more of development at least to build up his tank. :thumbsup
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It was only NAB but the kid was already showing some good signs and although it's only one season in I'm excited to see how he's improved his tank already and how it transitions into the game
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Mental Fitness More Important: Rance
By Alex Rance - Richmond Football Club star
AFLplayers.com.au
26 August 2016
Richmond star Alex Rance explains the role mental fitness plays in his career and everyday life, in a piece for Aflplayers.com.au brought to you by Fitness First.
https://youtu.be/lc4Giuh7ZDo
As much as physical preparation is vital, your mental fitness is equally, if not more, important.
Around three or four years ago, I was quite an erratic performer in the AFL – I would play some really good games but also some really bad ones.
So while I was still a good, serviceable player, the gap between my best and my worst was too large to be considered a great player.
I lacked a bit of direction with my mental state. I was very results based and was constantly thinking about the type of player I wanted to be or the type of game I wanted to play.
When a football career becomes difficult, things become overcomplicated which, in turn, makes things a lot worse.
I used to think I had to listen to pump up songs before games to get me ready but because I’m naturally an energetic person, it only would lead to wasted energy.
I needed to find a balance and improve my mental fitness so I didn’t get too emotional through the highs and through the lows. This was mostly due to the maturing process, so I had a few conversations to a couple of our coaches.
I had a chat to Justin Leppitsch, who first taught me my craft at the Tigers, and I also spoke to Ben Rutten in recent years about compartmentalising parts of my life and making sure I’m not dragging any extra baggage when I don’t need to.
It’s all about finding a balance and ensuring I focus on the processes rather than the outcome.
My natural tendency is to get a little hypo, which becomes distracting, so I needed to find a way to chill out before games.
I don’t really listen to music pre-game but I make sure my routine is pretty low-key, so I might play a game on my phone to try and relax rather than hype myself up.
Finding ways to disconnect away from the field is an important part of my mental fitness.
For example, when I’m cleaning the house or doing the dishes – a couple of things I don’t overly enjoy – I like listening to country music.
Not many people enjoy country music but it’s a great distraction from the job I’m doing.
I remember listening to it one time and liked what I heard, there are not a lot of wasted words in country music, I guess. It’s this pretty nice, happy and upbeat music. They talk about their trucks, drinking and girls and that’s about it.
It calms me down and takes me away from all the problems I have for the day.
I also like thinking really creatively. I enjoy sitting down and thinking of inventions, apps, funny videos, ideas or anything creative that I find funny and enjoyable.
At the moment, I’ve been pretty caught up with my academy, which has been a real passion project of mine, so that’s been a good distraction.
Another thing that helps with my mental fitness is traveling. Regardless of if I’m in my own home or elsewhere in Melbourne, I’m still in Australia and feel like the lifestyle is always scrutinised. We have to watch what we eat, watch what we drink, watch who we’re with, watch what time we’re out to, so I think it’s nice to get away and not be constantly watched all the time.
To have that mental relief and go away to another country is very beneficial for players.
However it probably takes a little bit of time to open up and relax when you board the plane and not become as cagey. I think as time goes on you get better at turning off that key, but it’s still hard because you’re in that Melbourne or Australian bubble copping all the scrutiny and the distractions that take you away from a fun and enjoyable life.
So it takes a bit of time to be able to get yourself into a state of carefreeness.
But in regards to mental fitness, you can also overdo it. It’s like a bell curve, if you overthink or don’t think enough, you’re not going to achieve your best results.
You need to find a happy medium and have enough control that you can sift out the rubbish but not be so controlled that you can’t let yourself go and actually enjoy a bit of the journey. I think it’s really important to find that balance between the two.
When you’re overseas, you still have a certain element of structure so you’re not letting yourself go completely but at the same time enjoying what you’re seeing and experiencing.
There are some stats around that after two weeks of doing no exercise, your body starts to deteriorate and not be at the standard it previously was. So it’s important to stick to our programs and I make sure that if I have a long break or go away, the club still trusts that I won’t break down when the training load increases.
It’s also great to have that change in setting too when exercising overseas. Every now and again we might train at MSAC or something alike to change the stimulus in-season, but it’s really refreshing to go for a run through Palm Springs or through some national parks in Washington and take your mind off the monotony.
While you’re still running laps and punching out the same program, you’re breathing different air and experiencing different sights.
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/mental-fitness-more-important-rance/
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Franklin versus Rance was a fizzer
It was a match-up between two likely 2016 All Australians but it was a contest dominated by the three-time Coleman medallist. In fairness to Rance, he shared the duties on Franklin with Dylan Grimes, who took the Swan when he played further up the ground, but when Rance did stand him, he was soundly beaten on most occasions. Rance was torched by his uncompetitive midfield, and when your team gets mauled by 113 points it makes life difficult, but it was still a terrible night for the West Australian. Franklin finished with 7.4 and 11 marks, with nine of those inside 50, taking his tally to 74 for the regular season, and just six behind this year's Coleman winner, West Coast star Josh Kennedy.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-27/five-talking-points-sydney-swans-v-richmond
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One of Rance's worse games but gee wiz he was hung out to dry by our midfielders and some of the other defenders
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Arsebury still doesn't know what he's supposed to do let alone trying to help other defenders as well.
Chaplin was useless but did make Rances life a lot easier when he played.
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One of Rance's worse games but gee wiz he was hung out to dry by our midfielders and some of the other defenders
Fair call
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One of Rance's worse games but gee wiz he was hung out to dry by our midfielders and some of the other defenders
Our mids simply don't work hard enough to help out. They also don't respect ownership of the ball when in possession. It doesn't help when spuds like Ellis and Grigg constantly stop, go sideways, backwards or simply bomb it long to the oppositions advantage :banghead
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One of Rance's worse games but gee wiz he was hung out to dry by our midfielders and some of the other defenders
Our mids simply don't work hard enough to help out. They also don't respect ownership of the ball when in possession. It doesn't help when spuds like Ellis and Grigg constantly stop, go sideways, backwards or simply bomb it long to the oppositions advantage :banghead
Our mids simply don't work hard enough full stop
Especially when things are going poorly.
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In anyone but Rance had been on him he would've become the first player in VFL/AFL history to kick 20....
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Well done to Houli and co. Giving rance a hand
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Didn't watch the game thankfully.
Was Rance pantsed or just had no chance because of the midfield?
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About 30% the former, 70% the latter....
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Even champs have an occasional off day, was still there every step of the way busting a nut
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Even champs have an occasional off day, was still there every step of the way busting a nut
Too true :clapping. One of two players who didn't just stop and say "it's just too hard"
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Liked the look of in JLT week three ....... Alex Rance (Richmond)
When a side's best player has hamstring tendinitis during the pre-season, it's reason to worry. However, Rance showed there wouldn't be any issues. Having established himself as the best backman in the game over the past three years, he returned against Port Adelaide and marshalled the defence to perfection. Charlie Dixon had just six disposals but more important than that was Rance's ability to work off his man and read the ball in the air. He is critically important to Richmond because he offers so much support to his fellow defenders and he showed there shouldn't be any lapse in form in 2017. - Dinny Navaratnam
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-05/liked-the-look-of-12-eyecatchers-from-jlt-week-three
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Ch 7 news said Rance trained today with his thumb strapped.
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As awesome as Alex is - He hasn't completely eradicated the "Alex Rance moments " from his game . Nearly coughed up a goal in the dying minutes yesterday. Fortunately no harm no foul.
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I'm willing to concede him one goal per game MaT as he usually saves about 15
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True . Who am I to question the great man .
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Didn't help that Astbury was useless and Rance had to do it all again on his own.
Astbury looks like he has an ear infection or an amputated great toe, he's so ungainly and just can't change direction at all...
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As much as we are lite on for KPP at the moment we should be thankfully we have 2 of the very best in the league playing for us.
Both Rance and Jack are out and out stars of the game.
Add Dusty, in the conversation as one of the best players in the comp, and Cotch our Brownlow Medalist, we have 4 stars.
I just hope our B and C graders can improve enough to take us where we belong to be.
That game on Monday night was one of the best wins I've seen in awhile.
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The things that qualify as news these days ...
Ripped football star reveals his secret to his bulging biceps and toned abs - and it DOESN'T involve endless hours in the gym
AFL star Alex Rance offers insight on how football stars manage to look muscular
The Richmond defender said the secret wasn't endless hours in the gym
However hinted at a minor wardrobe change each year to enhance buff image
By Tom Flanagan For Daily Mail Australia
Published: 19:17 +10:00, 11 May 2017 | Updated: 20:44 +10:00, 11 May 2017
Richmond Tigers star Alex Rance has revealed his secret to having bulging biceps - and it's a lot easier than you may think.
AFL stars may have some of the most grueling fitness regimes in sport, yet one small hack is the key ingredient to a flawless physique, according to the Tigers stalwart.
The 27-year-old appeared on Nova 100 and revealed the trivial trade secret when questioned on just how he maintains such an impressive body.
'Smaller shirts, that's the real secret,' the Perth born star confessed.
'Every year you go through your career you buy smaller and smaller equipment.'
When asked if bicep curls were still the climax of a tough session in the gym, he revealed a change in regime for modern footballers.
'They're very much frowned upon, there's no beach weights done these days.'
The three time All-Australian pick will look to take his toned torso into this week's round of fixtures as Richmond face Fremantle after a promising start to the season.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4494872/AFL-star-Alex-Rance-reveals-key-secret-buff-physique.html#ixzz4gnCs0IAJ
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One third of the way through the 2017 home-and-away rounds, Rance is ranked a clear No. 1 for one-percenters (knock-ons, spoils, smothers, shepherds) in the competition.
After finishing with 14 one-percenters against Fremantle at the MCG last Sunday, he now has a total of 91 in eight games, which is 16 ahead of his nearest rival, Port Adelaide’s Thomas Jonas.
Read more: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-17/rance-king-of-the-onepercenters
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Well he might not be the best KPD in the league according to some experts but at least he does the little things
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Seems to have been losing his footing again a bit this year, but as usual is his reliable self.
Still livid that we didn't address KPP stocks last off-season. Astbury has actually looked OK but nowhere near consistently enough and every time he gets the ball I poo myself. Grimes on the other hand has been good as usual this year and I thought very much did his part last weekend.
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Tiger seeks redemption against veteran Cat
afl.com.au
6 September 2017
It's rare for Alex Rance to lower his colours
ALL AUSTRALIAN captain Alex Rance wants redemption against Geelong on Friday night, admitting his inability to contain Harry Taylor potentially cost Richmond victory last time.
Taylor booted four goals in a best-on-ground display at Rance's expense that day, performing strongly in usual spearhead Tom Hawkins' absence.
The Tigers rallied late, but fell short by 14 points in the round 21 clash at Simonds Stadium – losing to the Cats for the 13th-straight match and 20th time in the past 21.
Rance and Richmond get their shot at redemption in this week's second qualifying final at the MCG in front of an estimated 95,000-strong crowd.
"I'm proud of my own performance and I always want to perform well, and especially in that Geelong game, if I had have won my one-on-ones we probably would have won," Rance said.
"He won the one-on-ones and they won, so it's one of those ones where I did take it quite personally, but you can't really let it drag you down otherwise you don't really improve. It was a good learning experience."
Taylor's effort to lower Rance's colours made headlines, with Tigers coach Damien Hardwick conceding his champion defender "had a disappointing day".
The statistics show Taylor won three one-on-ones to Rance's two – rag-dolling the Richmond vice-captain at times – and the other three marking contests were neutral. But they are generous towards the Tiger, who rarely has a bad game.
Taylor shook Rance for three additional marks on the lead, as well as outpointing his opponent at ground level to deliver 19-year-old teammate Sam Simpson a simple second-quarter goal.
Rance also fumbled deep in defence in the same term – a bad bounce didn't help his cause – and was left watching as Jake Kolodjashnij fed Taylor for maximum points from the goalsquare.
Port Adelaide sent Jackson Trengove to Rance in round 15 and he successfully subdued him for a half, while tireless St Kilda forward Nick Riewoldt got the better of Rance in a landslide Richmond loss in round 16.
"I think the way AFL's going, and the astute minds that watch the game will see, it's not so much a one-on-one battle anymore – it's very much a team systematic play," Rance said.
"Midfielders are too good now. If you've got half a centimetre break on your player, they'll hit them on the chest, so you need to play as a unit rather than a one-on-one."
The Tigers' sole defeat in seven games since that Saints shellacking was the Cats result, a formline that gives Rance confidence of a strong finals run.
"The adaptation of our side this year has been super; just to be able to be that really flexible side," he said.
"We got pretty soundly beaten by Adelaide (in round six) and then St Kilda and then we had a little hiccup against Geelong, so we've had some good learning moments along the way."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-05/tiger-seeks-redemption-against-veteran-cat
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Hoping for a big game from Rance. Like his game against Sydney to get us into the finals.
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Hoping for a big game from Rance. Like his game against Sydney to get us into the finals.
One of the best games I've ever seen by a defender. Repelled attack after attack.
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Hoping for a big game from Rance. Like his game against Sydney to get us into the finals.
One of the best games I've ever seen by a defender. Repelled attack after attack.
And despite being doubled over with full body cramp. Will never forget that!
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Damien Hardwick expects big game from Alex Rance
The Age
September 8 2017
Swingman Harry Taylor became one of the very few players to get the better of Alex Rance when Geelong extended their winning streak against Richmond to 13 games last month.
Ahead of Friday night's massive qualifying final, Tigers' coach Damien Hardwick is confident that lightning won't strike twice.
Richmond Tigers coach Damian Hardwick says that star player Dustin Martin is obviously disappointed that his father hasn't been given a visa to watch him play in Friday night's AFL final against Geelong.
With regular spearhead Tom Hawkins missing through suspension, Taylor went forward at Simonds Stadium back in round 21 and booted a match-winning four-goal haul opposing the four-time All-Australian defender.
"Champion players often respond," Hardwick said on Thursday.
"I think I've seen [Rance] lose four one-on-one contests in his career and I think three of them were on that day. Harry is a really good player as well, so we expect that similar match-up to occur.
"We learnt some lessons from that, Alex will certainly learn some lessons. He's a very proud man.
"We know he's got a role to play that's important for us and if he plays that role it certainly increases our chances of winning."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/damien-hardwick-expects-big-game-from-alex-rance-20170907-gyd8qb.html
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Rance should be on the forward that roams up the ground. Taylor will go to the goal square and take him out of the game.
Stuff this ego centric positioning.
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The only thing Rance missed tonight was giving a rubber ducky to Harry Taylor for his bath ;D.
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The only thing Rance missed tonight was giving a rubber ducky to Harry Taylor for his bath ;D.
can't keep a champion down :bow :gotigers
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A great game by an absolute champion.
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He got support and Learnt from a master tactician Harry Taylor
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Best player I've seen in a Richmond jumper
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Best player I've seen in a Richmond jumper
Hea pretty handy :thumbsup
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Best player I've seen in a Richmond jumper
Number 4 goes alright
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Best player I've seen in a Richmond jumper
Number 4 goes alright
Yeah hes ok too.
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The only thing Rance missed tonight was giving a rubber ducky to Harry Taylor for his bath ;D.
can't keep a champion down :bow :gotigers
Was sensational :clapping
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He was very rude to the trainer trying to help him when he busted his head
Delist
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He was very rude to the trainer trying to help him when he busted his head
Delist
Not dud though....
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He was very rude to the trainer trying to help him when he busted his head
Delist
Not dud though....
Can't deny his talents but it just was not a good look.
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just fired up on adrenaline. Worried about how he nearly snapped his spine though coming down and folding in half ...will feel it today now the adrenaline is gone lol
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Do we blame Dimma again?
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Do we blame Dimma again?
Nah. It was the runner's fault.... :whistle
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Do we blame Dimma again?
No - we praise Blake..... :shh
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The "incident" made Robbo's 'dislikes' column:
3. RANCE AND THE TRAINER
The effervescent defender copped a hit to the head and seeing his player in distress, the trainer did what trainers do. He delivered the magic cloth to help stem the blood flow, but unfortunately for him, Rance didn’t like the enthusiasm in which the trainer did his job. Rance lashed out verbally and the body language was too severe. Yes, it was heat of the moment, and yes, it could’ve been handled better.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-tackle-mark-robinson-reveals-his-likes-and-dislikes-from-week-1-of-the-2017-afl-finals/news-story/0ca4eba66a63b0787f43f2066cee8ad9
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In that case I retract my statement
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The "incident" made Robbo's 'dislikes' column:
3. RANCE AND THE TRAINER
The effervescent defender copped a hit to the head and seeing his player in distress, the trainer did what trainers do. He delivered the magic cloth to help stem the blood flow, but unfortunately for him, Rance didn’t like the enthusiasm in which the trainer did his job. Rance lashed out verbally and the body language was too severe. Yes, it was heat of the moment, and yes, it could’ve been handled better.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-tackle-mark-robinson-reveals-his-likes-and-dislikes-from-week-1-of-the-2017-afl-finals/news-story/0ca4eba66a63b0787f43f2066cee8ad9
So now the player needs to placate the trainer? Thats not the way it works.
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I think it was blown out of proportion. Yes dropping "just stuffing relax" was not great form but he did apologise and tensions were high considering both teams were applying a lot of heat in the start of the game. What I think is infinitely worse than what Rance did was Glenn Archer punching a runner which was hardly talked about.
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Alex Rance retirement plans: Richmond finals 2017, All-Australian defender on what has changed at Tigers, quitting footy
September 23, 2017
Max Laughton
FOX SPORTS
ALEX Rance has revealed what has changed at Richmond to help them break their 16-year finals duck while also stating that he has “a pretty good idea” of when his career will end.
The Richmond defender heavily considered walking away from footy in 2014 before signing a contract extension which has him tied to the Tigers until the end of 2019.
Rance told AFL Tonight he isn’t thinking about the end of his illustrious career yet, and isn’t sure whether the potential of a premiership would hasten the close.
“If I had left, there would have been something else in my life that I would have been enjoying, whether it was my family or travelling overseas or something like that,” he said on Fox Sports News.
“But I’m extremely grateful that the club has given me the opportunity to stay around and that we can have some fun together now.
“I’ve got a pretty good idea of when would be enough time for me. Whether that gets lengthened or shortened (by winning a flag), I don’t really know. It would have to be a bit of an in the moment type decision.”
After a 2016 season full of disappointing results on the field as well as attempted board coups and a senior coach under major pressure, this year has been a raging success for Richmond.
The Tigers head into a home preliminary final on Saturday as favourites, with a real chance to play in their first Grand Final since 1982.
Rance credited Richmond footy boss Neil Balme, who joined the club at the end of last year, as helping fix the team’s culture.
“Balmey was a huge introduction for us. There was a bit more connection between the coaching staff, admin and then the playing group,” he said.
“A lot of it was based around embracing your vulnerabilities and not feeling that you had to put up this strong bravado of a man’s man. If you wanted to be vulnerable, be vulnerable.
“That really creates connection and if you’re trying to lead people, you have to have that connection, because they’re not going to want to follow you if they don’t like you as a person or believe that you don’t care about them.”
Rance explained that the team is a lot more relaxed now than it was last season.
“I think what we were doing last year was a little bit of analysis paralysis as individuals and a coaching staff. We were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole,” he said.
“This year it’s been know yourself as an individual, and what your x-factor is, and just go and do it. And have fun out on the field — you shouldn’t be thinking out on the field because you play your best footy when you’re playing on instinct.
“We’ve been playing a really good, instinctual, hard defensive game this year which has brought us the success that we’re after.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/alex-rance-on-what-has-changed-at-richmond-to-produce-2017-success-knowing-when-he-wants-to-retire/news-story/53f8b0e1b1a84fec6eaa8d92beb160e7
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Alex Rance
The rock in Richmond’s defence refused to be moved. The All-Australian skipper rarely erred, flying for a series of intercept marks as the spare backman and providing just as many spoils. The Tigers will need similar against a stacked Crows forward line next Saturday.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/studs-and-duds-redhot-daniel-rioli-leads-richmond-into-decider/news-story/c34c555ecc10df696aa2575f1c3efd4c
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Tigers' Rance took step back to go forward
Yahoo7 Sport
Jason Phelan
28 September 2017
Sometimes less is more and that's certainly proved to be the case for Richmond's defensive unit this AFL season.
Less Alex Rance that is.
The superstar defender's decision to take a small step back and let other members of the Tigers' back line take the lead more often in pre-season has paid huge dividends.
The league's third-best defence conceded 1684 points this season -- a whopping 471 fewer than last year.
And Richmond had scores of more than 100 points kicked against them just twice -- by Adelaide in round 6 and St Kilda in round 16.
"Alex is just an extraordinary player, an absolute warrior, but underneath him, in the past, we've probably been a little bit skinny," Tigers fullback David Astbury told AAP.
"So he made it his mission in the pre-season to try to put more responsibility on me and Dylan Grimes and others to allow us to really grow and develop.
"In the past he's probably just wanted to fix everything but it's too hard to do for any one person.
"It's a credit to him. He probably had to take a back seat and allow me or someone else to take over (in meetings or training) and that's allowed us to get up to speed.
"I think as a group we're really connected and bonded together as a result."
Astbury has thrived with the extra responsibility, along with the growing belief that he's well and truly over the injuries that threatened his career.
The 26-year-old played every game this season -- the first time he's managed that feat since he debuted in 2010.
From the 2011 season through to 2015, he was restricted to just 24 senior appearances due to a horror run with injuries, which included two dislocated kneecaps.
"I was probably fighting a losing battle with myself at different stages ... trying to do too much and trying to progress too quickly," he said.
"It was all in the spirit of trying to get back and play senior football, but the frustration that mounted at different stages was almost overwhelming.
"But I had excellent support from the club.
"I think the key for me has been continuity of playing over a couple of years now.
"Your confidence grows the more you play and when you're surrounded by the people that I am you just feel really supported.
"Going out there each week is more enjoyable now than it ever has been."
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/a/37249091/tigers-rance-took-step-back-to-go-forward/
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"I'm not on Instagram but I saw this @RichmondFC pic of Tross that @CameronEGrimes took yesterday & had to retweet it here. Safe to say he's a freakin beast.
Good luck oppo forwards. You will need it. #AlexRance #gotiges"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTpo_9zVAAAtxEo.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/953190860748857349
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Good lord
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Tigers star won’t be down for long says Jenkins
By SEN
Josh Jenkins believes Alex Rance will quickly recover from his poor performance in Round 2.
The Richmond premiership defender had his colours lowered by Jenkins who booted five goals in Adelaide’s 36-point win in Thursday's Grand Final re-match at the Adelaide Oval.
Jenkins was on fire early, outmarking and outclassing All-Australian captain Rance, who recovered with a much improved showing after the break.
The Crows forward believes a player of such quality will have very few issues in returning to his best form following the aberration.
“I found it really interesting because he kind of completely changed the way he was going about business in the first half,” he said on AFL Nation.
“He was really conscious of being physical and taking body, whereas in the second half he sorted of just released his own shackles. He flew at the ball and made us all look silly at different stages
“The quality of the man, quality of the player to show really great resilience. We’ve all had halves of footy that haven’t been our best but he just bounced back and was a huge factor with 17 disposals in the second half.
“You can never keep a player of that quality down for too long.
“We were able to get the better of him at different stages but you can never keep a good player down for too long.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/03/31/tigers-star-won't-be-down-for-long-says-jenkins/
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Leaving the last qtr incident aside for the other thread, Rance was immense today. From memory he took 5-6 intercept marks in the 2nd qtr alone. The human wall! He always responds big time after a rare off game the week before.
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“A big, fun snowball”: The simple life helps Rance and Richmond catch the flag
Josh Elliott
theRoar.com.au
May 2, 2018
In 2015 Alex Rance was coming into his eighth year of football having just experienced a breakout season where he was named All Australian for the first time. He was 25 years old – yet, amazingly, he was considering retirement.
Rance has always loved the game, but he was worried about how his dedication to being an AFL player was affecting his life outside of football. He needed to find greater balance in his life and wasn’t sure he could do it as a full-time footballer.
“We started playing football when we were younger because we enjoyed it, we were having a laugh with our friends or kicking a footy out the back with our dads, and over time it became a job and a chore,” says Rance.
“It was about work-life balance. I wanted to make sure that energy in and energy out was going in the right place. My personality is one that if I do something I’m going to commit completely to it.
“When I went to football training it would take so much energy from me, when I would come home I’d just be so sapped of energy. I thought I might need to readjust that balance in my life.”
There was plenty of chatter amongst the media during season 2015 about what Rance would do at the end of the year and while retirement and Richmond were two of the leading options, talk also went around that he could receive offers from other clubs.
The Fremantle Dockers under Ross Lyon were said to be one of the main sides in the hunt for his services, hoping to lure him back home to Western Australia, and Rance admits the idea of returning home did have its appeals.
“I grew up in Perth so that would’ve been an opportunity to be closer to some family, and slow life down a bit because Melbourne can be a little hustle bustle and footy-focused sometimes.
“Other clubs certainly were in the picture, but it was a fleeting thought. It would’ve just been a bandaid.”
In June that year Rance made his decision. He signed a four-year contract with Richmond that will see him remain an AFL player until the end of 2019. He’s not sure what will happen after that.
It couldn’t simply be a decision to continue life as it was though, and Rance has since strived to live a life more balanced.
“It was a maturing process, going through all the reasons I should stay or leave. I really wanted to have a hand in the development of younger players, younger people.
“I had to realise that as soon as football’s done at the end of the day I come home and give just as much energy back to my family.
“If I had a good game of football I’d have a good week, if I trained well that night was going to be a good one, but I don’t really give myself a pass or fail mark on football anymore.
“I get far more enjoyment out of making people laugh and being a good role model now, being a good husband, being a good brother, being a good son and uncle now than I do racking up possessions or winning games of football.
“The sooner people realise that football isn’t everything in their lives, the more mentally stable and happier they’re going to be.”
The season that followed Rance’s decision to remain in the game, 2016, was one of the hardest to endure for fans and the club in the history of Richmond.
After playing in finals for three consecutive years, the Tigers had eight wins for the year and finished 13th.
“It feels like miles away that year – hard to say exactly what went wrong. Sometimes as a player over the course of your career you try to tinker with things that don’t need to be tinkered with, it needs to be more a principle-based approach.”
The club ended the season in a state of uncertainty. 243-game veteran Tiger Brett Deledio took a trade to GWS, while three new players – Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Toby Nankervis – arrived at Richmond in October.
Coach Damien Hardwick’s position was regularly talked about, and while an outside challenge to Richmond’s board in September that year failed, it made plenty of headlines.
Fast forward 12 months later and Richmond were celebrating the club’s eleventh premiership on grand final day 2017.
How did they do it? Like Rance himself, the club chose to simplify and act with purpose. The results were unbelievable.
“When I first came to the club you had to watch your game again by yourself on your laptop, what you did right and what you did wrong, you had all of these action plans about what you had to do this week to get better for the next game.
“It became so all-consuming – now it’s so more about finding where you put football to bed, once you’ve done your work on football you go home.
“A lot of it was about just enjoying our time on field, our time off field, and really being in the moment. A simplifying process.
“When you get drafted you know how to play football. So much of the game is mental these days – everyone is as fit as everyone else, everyone can kick the ball, everyone can mark the ball, but it’s a matter of what you do in the moment and whether your mind’s clear enough to execute.
“It just seemed like this big, fun snowball – Dusty won the Brownlow, a couple of us got in the All Australian side, it seemed like the more fun we had the more success we got.
“It was that way around – it wasn’t as if success came first and then we were happy. Even when we lost those four close games in the middle of the year, it wasn’t as if we ever lost that sense of fun and enjoyment.
“It never really felt like we could lose – it was so amazing and definitely an addictive feeling. I can see how successful players and sides want to keep holding on and on to keep feeling that success.”
I asked Rance if winning the premiership had changed the way he lives his life at all. His answer was a simple and honest one: no.
“It was great, I had a great month and a few weeks after that, but I’m not someone to overhype something.
“I would give up my medal and the title just to be able to experience that joy with my mates again. It was more about the moments and memories that I’ll always cherish and be able to reflect on with my mates.”
The desire to experience success and joy in life is universal, one all of us can relate to. I was sure to ask Rance what advice he would give to others.
His assertion that enjoyment comes before success is something that has stuck with me since talking to him – so often in life we picture it to be the other way around.
We make ourselves miserable and strive towards large-scale goals because we think they will make us happy, instead of realising that being happy in the everyday is what will help us catch what we are chasing.
Finding peace, balance and joy in your everyday life will fill you with energy and the positive momentum that you need to do the things you always dreamed of.
I talked with Rance a lot about this and I have talked with many others about it too. There is no trick or loophole – but the philosophy of the good life is a simple one, because simplicity itself is the philosophy.
“The important part is just to strip everything back and not have too many distractions in your life.
“It’s about reflecting, working out what you enjoy, and trying to incorporate as much of that into your life as possible.”
https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/05/02/big-fun-snowball-simple-life-helps-rance-richmond-catch-flag/
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In 2015 Alex Rance was coming into his eighth year of football having just experienced a breakout season where he was named All Australian for the first time. He was 25 years old – yet, amazingly, he was considering retirement.
Lel. Article was good but glaring errors in the opening statement don't really endear it all that much.
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Not sure I follow, Dougey? 2014 was Rancey's first AA
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Lol, touche. I read it as after 2015.
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Much of the Tigers’ defensive strength is thanks to All-Australian defender Alex Rance, who continues to heavily minimise the impact of some of the game’s best forwards.
Rance ranks first in total intercepts, fourth in total one percenters and fifth in effective disposal percentage per game, which is why he is one of the best in the competition.
http://www.nmfc.com.au/news/2018-05-09/opposing-threat-richmond
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Rance gets the honours over Brown, just
It was good to see Alex Rance, the competition's best key defender, and Ben Brown, the leader of the Coleman Medal, spend large portions of Sunday's clash matched up. It can be a rarity in the modern game for a star defender to go head-to-head with the opposition's leading forward target, as coaches hope to use the backman's rebounding, intercept and offensive skills. But given Brown's form – he started leading the competition for goals (24 after seven rounds) – Rance was handed the task. Brown took a strong pack mark and kicked truly in the first quarter, and finished with two goals, but he uncharacteristically missed two costly shots late in the game.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-13/five-talking-points-north-melbourne-v-richmond
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Rance's 60m run and spoil won defensive play of the week.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-05-15/defensive-plays-of-the-game-round-8
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Rance's 60m run and spoil won defensive play of the week.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-05-15/defensive-plays-of-the-game-round-8
When you see his impact in those highlights, you wonder how a 2 goal Ben Brown who basically camped in the forward line and did nothing could even be considered to have come close to shading Rance.
Rance whipped his sorry butt, pure and simple.
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https://twitter.com/paul_football/status/1004894831850631169
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but but but but but... Rance never has a direct opponent!!!! :banghead
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But but but but but rance always gets beaten....
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206 contests!!!!!! Blimey!
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Sick of this dive poo also :banghead media can pee off :thumbsup
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Sick of this dive poo also :banghead media can pee off :thumbsup
Port took more dives than Swan like tonight - actually looked like a coaching tactic
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5. Rance and Dixon go head-to-head
It was refreshing to see a one-on-one contest between Port Adelaide's monster forward Charlie Dixon and the best full-back in the business Alex Rance for most of the match. Dixon has been under fire following a lean start to the season and won an early wrestling contest in the first quarter. Rance gave away a free kick for a holding decision in the third term but his Power opponent didn't make him pay. Dixon finished with 13 possession, four contested marks and kicked a goal while Rance had 17 disposals and three contested marks as well. An even battle that footy purists would’ve loved.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-08/five-talking-points-port-adelaide-v-richmond
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The four-time All-Australian finished the match with 17 disposals, including 10 contested possessions, 10 intercepts, six marks and 304 metres gained. And he ensured that Dixon didn’t add to his one-goal tally after quarter-time.
Dixon used his bulk to crash packs and still be a handy contributor throughout the night for the home team, but Rance took the points in an absorbing, good, old-fashioned one-on-one duel.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-06-11/resilient-rance-rises-to-the-challenge
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Alex Rance: Richmond football great opens up about diving criticism, a Tiger's Roar and moving to Brighton.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/inner-south/alex-rance-richmond-football-great-opens-up-about-diving-criticism-a-tigers-roar-and-moving-to-brighton/news-story/11c4ac49f63d5e429a6dbf49753729a2
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Good news
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/retirement-can-wait-alex-rance-looking-to-extend-career-20180627-p4zo56.html
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Good news
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/retirement-can-wait-alex-rance-looking-to-extend-career-20180627-p4zo56.html
Great stuff. Players are obviously happy at Punt road these days!
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The only thing better than being a key player ina drought breaking flag is being a key player in a drought breaking dynasty :clapping.
#hungryformore
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Monumental announcement. One day we'll be telling our children and grandchildren about this guy.
He's the Jack Dyer or Royce Hart for the generation that missed out. Enjoy the extra time people, I know I will
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Had the last laugh on Buddy again tonight :clapping.
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Buddy really only kicked 1 goal. Was gifted 3.
2 were the non pushes that he was awarded.
The other should’ve been a free to Rance for being shirtfronted body checked 10 meters behind play and didn’t allow Rance to contest. Buddy gets an easy mark 45 metres out.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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dog act for franklin to chop rance in the throat
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Buddy renews Rance rivalry
It was the contest everyone came to see – the game's best forward against its best defender. But while Lance Franklin might have got the better of Alex Rance, both certainly had their moments. The makings for a fiery duel were there early. After Franklin kicked his first courtesy of a gentle Rance push, the pair squared off. Franklin soon had his second, but the heat in their match-up wasn't done there. Franklin appeared destined for his third early in the second half, only to lash out at Rance and catch him on the throat. Match review scrutiny awaits him. Eventually, he did grab his third, but only after Rance overstepped the mark right on the stroke of three-quarter time to give away a costly 50m penalty. A fourth from long range ensured Buddy would take the chocolates in terms of their individual battle, but Rance's Tigers walked away happier.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-28/five-talking-points-richmond-v-sydney
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Lazy journalism. Fails to mention how the bulk of the goals came from dubious frees
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With all the goal review bs you would think they should have had the microscope out to see if Rance overstepped the mark.
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He got 2 from 50's (50 after an initial hideous fk) didn't he? Plus that heinous free for in the back in the first.
Good contest but I'd be giving our man the chocolates
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Why Pearce was so impressed with Rance’s game v Swans
By SEN
29 June 2018
Melbourne AFL Women's captain Daisy Pearce has explained why she loved Alex Rance’s performance against Sydney last night.
Despite Swans spearhead Lance Franklin kicking four goals, Pearce thinks the Richmond defender still had a big impact in the result, praising his ability to mentally stay in the game.
“Alex Rance was still very influential,” she told SEN Breakfast.
“Some of his smothers and come forwards to defend were so impressive. The one on Gary Rohan was outstanding.
“Do you know what I love about Rance, that free kick early in the game, it’s not there, you play a very physical game style.
“The fortitude he shows to not let that get into his brain and worry about it.
“He would have had a head full of worries as it is playing on one of the best players in the competition hands full, then you get a free kick like that, to be able to re-group, keep playing your own game and not let it change what you do was pretty impressive.”
Rance had 13 disposals and eight intercepts in the victory.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/06/28/why-pearce-was-so-impressed-with-rance's-game-v-swans/
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Why Pearce was so impressed with Rance’s game v Swans
By SEN
29 June 2018
Melbourne AFL Women's captain Daisy Pearce has explained why she loved Alex Rance’s performance against Sydney last night.
Despite Swans spearhead Lance Franklin kicking four goals, Pearce thinks the Richmond defender still had a big impact in the result, praising his ability to mentally stay in the game.
“Alex Rance was still very influential,” she told SEN Breakfast.
“Some of his smothers and come forwards to defend were so impressive. The one on Gary Rohan was outstanding.
“Do you know what I love about Rance, that free kick early in the game, it’s not there, you play a very physical game style.
“The fortitude he shows to not let that get into his brain and worry about it.
“He would have had a head full of worries as it is playing on one of the best players in the competition hands full, then you get a free kick like that, to be able to re-group, keep playing your own game and not let it change what you do was pretty impressive.”
Rance had 13 disposals and eight intercepts in the victory.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/06/28/why-pearce-was-so-impressed-with-rance's-game-v-swans/
Honestly this chick has a football brain far superior to most so called male ex player/ experts. Kudos to her and another gun from East Malvern Knights! ( Jack Higgins also )
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Why Pearce was so impressed with Rance’s game v Swans
By SEN
29 June 2018
Melbourne AFL Women's captain Daisy Pearce has explained why she loved Alex Rance’s performance against Sydney last night.
Despite Swans spearhead Lance Franklin kicking four goals, Pearce thinks the Richmond defender still had a big impact in the result, praising his ability to mentally stay in the game.
“Alex Rance was still very influential,” she told SEN Breakfast.
“Some of his smothers and come forwards to defend were so impressive. The one on Gary Rohan was outstanding.
“Do you know what I love about Rance, that free kick early in the game, it’s not there, you play a very physical game style.
“The fortitude he shows to not let that get into his brain and worry about it.
“He would have had a head full of worries as it is playing on one of the best players in the competition hands full, then you get a free kick like that, to be able to re-group, keep playing your own game and not let it change what you do was pretty impressive.”
Rance had 13 disposals and eight intercepts in the victory.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/06/28/why-pearce-was-so-impressed-with-rance's-game-v-swans/
Honestly this chick has a football brain far superior to most so called male ex player/ experts. Kudos to her and another gun from East Malvern Knights! ( Jack Higgins also )
yes her footy brain is very large thus the huge forehead. :lol
I do like what she has to say most times though. Very insightful.
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I actually think she does an epic job as the boundary rider. She doesn't use catch phrases and cliches and flavour of the week slogans. It's no surprise she's a marquee player for the AFLW. Her post match interviews are good also. Better than the crap on fox footy (David King being the worst offender)
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He kicked 1 goal on Rance and was gifted the other 3. They were not frees for in the back and that 50 was ridiculous. The other goal he scored from the boundary at 50 was a great kick but he should have never had the chance to kick the goal. Rance got the biggest block of the year when Buddy was on the lead...the umps missed it :gobdrop
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He kicked 1 goal on Rance and was gifted the other 3. They were not frees for in the back and that 50 was ridiculous. The other goal he scored from the boundary at 50 was a great kick but he should have never had the chance to kick the goal. Rance got the biggest block of the year when Buddy was on the lead...the umps missed it :gobdrop
bang on :clapping
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He kicked 1 goal on Rance and was gifted the other 3. They were not frees for in the back and that 50 was ridiculous. The other goal he scored from the boundary at 50 was a great kick but he should have never had the chance to kick the goal. Rance got the biggest block of the year when Buddy was on the lead...the umps missed it :gobdrop
bang on :clapping
Yes. x2.
Robbed three goals by the umpires that had no idea on the night. Since when has that ever been judged in the back? Are you apparently allowed to shirtfront block a player form contesting the ball as long as your 15 metres from the play?
Bloody ridiculous!
I also blame the channel 7 telecast and stupid commentary that didn’t even discuss this at length. :banghead
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Rance was making Buddy look stupid, Buddies umpire husband didn't like it.
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He kicked 1 goal on Rance and was gifted the other 3. They were not frees for in the back and that 50 was ridiculous. The other goal he scored from the boundary at 50 was a great kick but he should have never had the chance to kick the goal. Rance got the biggest block of the year when Buddy was on the lead...the umps missed it :gobdrop
bang on :clapping
Yes. x2.
Robbed three goals by the umpires that had no idea on the night. Since when has that ever been judged in the back? Are you apparently allowed to shirtfront block a player form contesting the ball as long as your 15 metres from the play?
Bloody ridiculous!
I also blame the channel 7 telecast and stupid commentary that didn’t even discuss this at length. :banghead
The commentary was putrid. Ling is excruciating. When Jones was holding Butler by the arm over the goal line and we actually got the free Ling was like “good umpiring, that was there”, suggesting it might have been questionable. Jones was holding him by the arm while he tried to pick the ball up ffs. It’s not good umpiring, it’s just the rules you goose.
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Kudos to Alex and Grigga today for their in store appearance.
Made my kids day when signing his book and naming him them future 'AA'. Awesome smile & hand boom.
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one of the hawks players yesterday after conceding a freeick to a giants player said to the ump "he did a rance"...
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one of the hawks players yesterday after conceding a freeick to a giants player said to the ump "he did a rance"...
Like a hawthorn player can talk.....
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"Almost a Rancey dive" is what Stratton said. LMAO. Alex has only himself to blame but he's no Robinson Crusoe when it comes to exaggerating to get a free.
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And no one else “does a Selwood” or “does a Shuey”?
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"Almost a Rancey dive" is what Stratton said. LMAO. Alex has only himself to blame but he's no Robinson Crusoe when it comes to exaggerating to get a free.
Or a Buddy, one bloke who flops like a high jumper...
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"Almost a Rancey dive" is what Stratton said. LMAO. Alex has only himself to blame but he's no Robinson Crusoe when it comes to exaggerating to get a free.
Or a Buddy, one bloke who flops like a high jumper...
Or Puopolo. What team does he play for again?
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Imagine what would have happened if Rance had chpped Buddy in the throat. Instead of the other way around?
$1500 fine?
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Tross makes the social & real estate pages ....
Tigers star Alex Rance boots Richmond penthouse at auction
Jayitri Smiles
Herald-Sun
8 July 2018
RICHMOND star Alex Rance has notched wins on and off the field this weekend, with his penthouse selling under the hammer the morning after the Tigers’ victory over Adelaide.
The footballer’s modern Richmond pad at 606/120 Palmer St sold for $678,000, after being announced on the market at $672,000.
Three bidders vied for the apartment.
Rance was just 19 and had completed his debut season with Richmond when he bought the two-bedroom home off-the-plan for $675,000 in 2009.
It’s understood the premiership player, 28, lived at the sun-drenched apartment atop the popular Niche complex off Bridge Rd with this wife Georgia until last year.
The couple moved into a larger Brighton home in May.
Rance told Leader Newspapers last month he was glad to escape the hustle and bustle of the inner-city life, which involved people confronting him in the lift of his Richmond apartment.
“As I come to the end of my career, it’s nice to have somewhere to bring up my kids,” he said at the time.
CoreLogic records suggest the four-time All Australian defender, who dabbled in real estate in his early 20s, also tried to sell the property in 2016. It was later listed it for rent in June last year.
Biggin & Scott director and auctioneer Edward Hobbs said the low-maintenance residence was ideally positioned in the heart of Richmond.
“This is a top floor, well-sized property that suits a number of demographics in the marketplace,” he said.
The buyer was a young couple who bid for the apartment over the phone, and was keen on its zoning for Melbourne Girls College.
The home offered two balconies looking out to Melbourne’s north and CBD, and was quoted at $620,000-$680,000.
The auction came down to $500 and $1000 bids at the end, with 20 people watching on.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/melbourne-vic/tigers-star-alex-rance-boots-richmond-penthouse-at-auction/news-story/c41c3df763d471591650d1826d6ae4af
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he bought the house in his first year!!! meanwhile B.Ellis is staying in Trent's spare room?
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A big win?
Bought for $675k and sold for $678k???
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A big win?
Bought for $675k and sold for $678k???
lost money after paying stamp duty and legals but still he now has a house in Brighton so he is going ok.
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A big win?
Bought for $675k and sold for $678k???
lost money after paying stamp duty and legals but still he now has a house in Brighton so he is going ok.
Bought off the plan so no stamp duty back then....
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A big win?
Bought for $675k and sold for $678k???
lost money after paying stamp duty and legals but still he now has a house in Brighton so he is going ok.
Bought off the plan so no stamp duty back then....
Okay, then after Marketing and agency fees...
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Ch 9 news last night showed Rance still hobbling a fraction yesterday as he got out of his car and walked into the Club. They asked if his foot was still sore to which Rance replied a "little bit".
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1037985498151641088
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Geez, 2009..so he made what 6 grand on an apartment in 9 years... move over Rockefeller
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(https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/The-Round-So-Far-PF.jpg) (http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-09-22/its-the-worst-game-ive-seen-him-play)
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-09-22/its-the-worst-game-ive-seen-him-play
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yeah righto he has learnt has he. Please. Only issue i had there was Rance should have been playing in front of cox
Rance had a bad night but the biggest issue was the guys that were not covering the space. Were where they? Ooh thats right astbury was too sick to move
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Don’t blame rance for coxs goals at all. Was a complete failure of the defensive system how they could not have someone guarding the front of him and leave that giant so much space is inexcusable.
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Sorry love Rance, but his season this year has gone downhill since that diving incident. Become a liability playing on any forward one on one even a average one at best.Yeah I agree yesterday there was no help or someone coming in to help him,but come on all year making poor forwards look good.If you guys can't see that were watching different games.Getting in bad habits again to.Get back to basics and defend first.
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Sorry love Rance, but his season this year has gone downhill since that diving incident. Become a liability playing on any forward one on one even a average one at best.If you guys can't see that were watching different games.Getting in bad habits again to.Get back to basics and defend first.
Definitely watching a different game georgie.
When you have players like Bellis and Houli that cannot defend to save themselves, than someone has to pick up the slack and try and do more than stop just his own opponent.
Throw Astbury in there who can only really defend in the air, and it really only leaves Rance, Grimes and Vlastuin as defenders that can actually defend and attack at a good level.
With the likelihood of Bellis never getting a game again for us and Houli near the end, we can rectify their deficiencies fairly easily with players we already have on our list. Which will allow Rance and Co not have to try and do it all.
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Sorry love Rance, but his season this year has gone downhill since that diving incident. Become a liability playing on any forward one on one even a average one at best.If you guys can't see that were watching different games.Getting in bad habits again to.Get back to basics and defend first.
Definitely watching a different game georgie.
When you have players like Bellis and Houli that cannot defend to save themselves, than someone has to pick up the slack and try and do more than stop just his own opponent.
Throw Astbury in there who can only really defend in the air, and it really only leaves Rance, Grimes and Vlastuin as defenders that can actually defend and attack at a good level.
With the likelihood of Bellis never getting a game again for us and Houli near the end, we can rectify their deficiencies fairly easily with players we already have on our list. Which will allow Rance and Co not have to try and do it all.
It's all good and well like you say when he leaves his man to help the others,but what about when he doesn't tho his in no mans land sometimes.
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Sorry love Rance, but his season this year has gone downhill since that diving incident. Become a liability playing on any forward one on one even a average one at best.If you guys can't see that were watching different games.Getting in bad habits again to.Get back to basics and defend first.
Definitely watching a different game georgie.
When you have players like Bellis and Houli that cannot defend to save themselves, than someone has to pick up the slack and try and do more than stop just his own opponent.
Throw Astbury in there who can only really defend in the air, and it really only leaves Rance, Grimes and Vlastuin as defenders that can actually defend and attack at a good level.
With the likelihood of Bellis never getting a game again for us and Houli near the end, we can rectify their deficiencies fairly easily with players we already have on our list. Which will allow Rance and Co not have to try and do it all.
It's all good and well like you say when he leaves his man to help the others,but what about when he doesn't tho his in no mans land sometimes.
You can’t have it both ways though- he is the best backman this club has ever had and in the discussion for the best backman of all time- he is so damaging because he does leave his man and help others. That’s the point.
He puts his reputation in the line every time he does that stuff but he doesn’t care because he has the bigger picture in mind. It’s just a shame some people like you would rather criticise him for being out of position on accasions with his direct opponent because he is thinking more about helping his teammates than just stopping his opponent.
Grimes and Vlastuin are the same to a lesser extent but they and Rance are the reason our backline has worked so well in recent years. Not your Bellis’, Holui’s or Astbury’s.
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Each to there own.Don't come and tell me his always peeling of and helping others and that's the reason why he gets beaten.When he plays man on man that is the issue. How many one on one battles does Grimes loose ? or even Broad ?.Can't even remember.
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I don't think Rance had a great year. Definitely nothing like his last 2-3 years. Solid at best, but was nowhere near his peak... I hope it's just a hiccough...
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Rance and most of our defenders often got caught trying to do too much this year. They need to tone it down a touch imo and stop stretching themselves so thin. Its one of the reasons why we copped so many cheap easy goals throughout the year. Dont get me wrong, still the best defence in the league by a long way but it can be even better!
Rance has definitely been down this year compared to the past 2-3 years. Havent seen him look so off balance in marking contests for years - since the gumby years. Hopefully he does some work on it during preseason to strengthen that side of his game again
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This is good
All we need now is Claw to come back and say he was right all along and Rance is a poo truck
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Not footy related but Rance has another children's book coming out.
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https://www.instagram.com/alexrance/
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lmfao at this thread.
Rance has become a great defender but he has always had his weaknesses.He has never been great at one v ones in fact hes always been ordinary. But its when he is on the move that he becomes a top player.
Yes Chucky ive always been right .
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Did you watch last years finals series or were you too upset that you couldn’t come on here and spread your usual negativity?
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lmfao at this thread.
Rance has become a great defender but he has always had his weaknesses.He has never been great at one v ones in fact hes always been ordinary. But its when he is on the move that he becomes a top player.
Yes Chucky ive always been right .
Come again?
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https://www.instagram.com/alexrance/
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Rance returned to training this week refreshed from an extra week’s break.
Leppitsch lauded his 2018 season despite the Tigers giving up eight contested marks to Mason Cox in the preliminary final.
“He has come back in really good shape and he has put the season behind him — the good and the bad,’’ he said.
“He is super important to us. He is the classic one with focusing on the 95 per cent he did well, not the five per cent that went wrong.
“He saved the day for us so many times through the year.”
Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/premiership-player-brandon-ellis-needs-big-preseason-to-win-back-his-spot-in-richmonds-best-22/news-story/c12e55583df34f125f53a4e8d3210684)
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lmfao at this thread.
Rance has become a great defender but he has always had his weaknesses.He has never been great at one v ones in fact hes always been ordinary. But its when he is on the move that he becomes a top player.
Yes Chucky ive always been right .
Those one on ones are primarily a function of good supply up the field. I agree that it isn’t a towering strength but seriously no one was stopping the ridiculously easy i50 entries the pies were getting in the prelim
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Source: RFC twitter.
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Will probably go down as our greatest ever backmen. I can't recall anyone else ever having an opposition team having to plan specifically for dealing with a backman.
Congratulations Alex on your milestone. :bow :bow :bow :clapping :clapping :clapping
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He’s a great backman, one of the top few of his generation and one of our best in my lifetime but he has some way to go before being considered the greatest.
His last game had his colours lowered in a prelim, I’m looking to see a response tonight and then most importantly next Thursday night.
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He was amazing in the 2017 GF. He pretty much had to repel the entire Crows forward line at times and he also made Tex Walker his little bitch. I hope he recaptures that form this year
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In fairness to him in the prelim final it was the entire defense/midfield which failed.
If you allow mason cox space to lead into there is not a defender in the league that can stop him taking the mark given his height. You saw the next week how the eagles blocked his space so they were able to spoil from the front or the collingwood players were forced to kick it on his head where the defenders could again easily spoil.
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Who could ever forget his herculean effort against Sydney in Sydney when we had to win the last game to make finals. He was like an impenetrable wall! Unbelievable.
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He has been a magnificent player and will rightly take his place as one of our all time greats when the time comes for him to retire. Simply a great player.
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Rance just said the initial signs aren't too good.
He then spoke about he couldn't be too sad as he's part of a great team.
Sounds like it's an ACL going by that :(.
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Rance just said the initial signs aren't too good.
He then spoke about he couldn't be too sad as he's part of a great team.
Sounds like it's an ACL going by that :(.
Bummer
I thought the fact he was sitting on the bench with his knee iced was a good sign.
I assumed that if it was serious, he'd be straight off for scans.
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He's done, looked like he knows.
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Rance just said the initial signs aren't too good.
He then spoke about he couldn't be too sad as he's part of a great team.
Sounds like it's an ACL going by that :(.
Bummer
I thought the fact he was sitting on the bench with his knee iced was a good sign.
I assumed that if it was serious, he'd be straight off for scans.
He is still going to have scans to confirm what it is but the docs would know already.
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We've been saying for a few years that we'd be in a lot of strife if either of our bookends got injured. At least we've got big Tommy up forward now.
Garthwaite come on down, your time is coming (when ya back from injury or whatever the stuff is going on with ya)
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BT interviewed Balmey who said they don't know yet but it doesn't appear to be good news and there's the possibility of an ACL problem. Balmey expects Rance to have the scans tonight.
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8-10 weeks with no rance should be interesting
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8-10 weeks with no rance should be interesting
Sadly more likely it will be the rest of the season without Rance :(.
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We won without Lids, we can win without Rance.
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Astbury has looked far from good so far this year...becomes unbelievably important now.
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Dimma just said the prognosis is an ACL.
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Rance just said the initial signs aren't too good.
He then spoke about he couldn't be too sad as he's part of a great team.
Sounds like it's an ACL going by that :(.
Bummer
I thought the fact he was sitting on the bench with his knee iced was a good sign.
I assumed that if it was serious, he'd be straight off for scans.
Na mate. I think it was more because it was his 200th and didn't make a difference
This is shocking for us
Let's just hope he does a Goldsack or D Morris
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Looks like he is done for the year. He will assist with coaching the backs, and it will give young Gathwaite a sustained opportunity to play which he is capable of doing. Rance is the best defender I have seen in 40 years of watching footy...feel sick right now.
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Or just switch balta from fwd/ruck to def/ruck
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Step in Garthwaite its your time.
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Ah crap!
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Hopefully getting a season of AFL into Garthwaite is the silver-lining,,,unless they decide to send Balta down back.....will be intersting t see how we handle thing and also to get a glimpse into our future witout Rance...also on the bright side - everyone will write us off as flag contenders now so in that regard at least it should take the pressurre off..... :shh
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Tom Browne said the midseason draft will be on May 27 just after round 10.
So that's the date to lock in to find a replacement for Rance.
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Hoping it’s only a Grade 2 tear!
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Step in Garthwaite its your time.
x2
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Speaking after the game, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said the early prognosis was grim for the club's mainstay down back.
"It's probably a suspected ACL at this point," Hardwick said.
"It's incredibly disappointing, but measure of the man – you wouldn't know it by his demeanour. He's such an incredible person first and foremost.
"It's going to be disappointing if it is (an ACL). He's an incredible player and you hate to see those players go out of the game.
"We'll cross our fingers and hope for the best, but it's looking dire at this stage."
Playing in his 200th game, Rance went straight to the dressing rooms after hurting his knee, but returned to the bench to see out the match with ice heavily strapped to the injury.
However, despite the club holding grave concerns about the scans he will undertake in the coming days, the Tigers do not believe it will ruin their premiership hopes.
"Of course, it's a challenge," Hardwick said.
"He's obviously a champion of the game and he's one of the best full-backs I've ever seen … but these things can be overcome.
"It's disappointing to lose such a fantastic player, but it also provides an opportunity for someone else to get some games under their belt. We'll get to find a player.
"Are they going to be to Alex Rance's standard? They're certainly not going to be straightaway. It's very hard to replace Alex Rance. But it will give someone an opportunity."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-21/tigers-superstar-leaves-field-with-knee-injury
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Also another reason our mids are going to have to start winning more centre clearances...and clearances in general... :shh
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not sure about balta down back....i can see him giving giving too many frees away....too reckless for mine at this stage
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Most kids will give away frees but kids are pretty much all we have,....it'll be a steep learning curve for Garthwaite or whoever plays....Chol and Moore are both quick & athletic...Chol has the leap & height too and can play ruck....they can all go foward as well.....Miller has the size & athleticism too but looks a bit of a bust atm....of course none of them can read the play like Rance can , but very few in the history of the game could....I'd play Gsrthwaite or Balta first though...will probably need them both down there at times, as Rance often does the job of two players..... :shh
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well this just sucks
garth 2cms shorter than rance also needs to step, but not as much as dave needs to.
stuffed
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very well said.....
Most kids will give away frees but kids are pretty much all we have,....it'll be a steep learning curve for Garthwaite or whoever plays....Chol and Moore are both quick & athletic...Chol has the leap & height too and can play ruck....they can all go foward as well.....Miller has the size & athleticism too but looks a bit of a bust atm....of course none of them can read the play like Rance can , but very few in the history of the game could....I'd play Gsrthwaite or Balta first though...will probably need them both down there at times, as Rance often does the job of two players..... :shh
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Another thing all the doomsayers need to realise - while losing Rance is going to make things a whole lot harder and we probably won't have the best back six in the league now, we're not suddenly going to have the worst back six in the league either.... :shh
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I'd throw BEllis to FB. Anything to get him back in the team.
Don't care if he gets 8 kicked on him every week, just be good to see him out there <3
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Then we would have the worst back six in the league.... :shh
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Tigers backman concedes Rance can't be replaced
Daniel Cherny, Scott Spits
The Age
22 March 2019
Richmond defender Nick Vlastuin concedes Alex Rance cannot be replaced but has called on his fellow backmen to step up in the superstar’s absence.
While not yet confirmed, the Tigers are bracing for the possibility that Rance’s season could be over, with Richmond suspecting that the five-time All-Australian and 2015 Tigers best and fairest ruptured his ACL when landing awkwardly late in the third quarter of Thursday night’s 33-point win in the season-opener against Carlton.
Rance didn’t return to the game and was on crutches after the match, which should have been a celebratory occasion for his 200th AFL appearance.
Richmond are expected to confirm the prognosis over the next day or two, but Tigers coach Damien Hardwick wasn’t optimistic.
“It’s going to be disappointing if it is [an ACL],” Hardwick said.
“We’ll cross our fingers and hope for the best, but it’s looking dire at this stage.
“It is suspected at this stage, but we’ll confirm that when we get the chance.”
Hardwick pointed to West Coast’s premiership success in the absence of Nic Naitanui and Andrew Gaff as proof that teams could succeed despite losing their best players.
“He’s obviously a champion of the game. He’s one of the best full-backs I’ve ever seen,” Hardwick said.
“These things can be overcome. It’s disappointing to lose such a fantastic player, but it also provides an opportunity for someone else to get some games under their belt. We’ll get to find a player. Are they going to be to Alex Rance’s standard? Certainly not straight away, it’s very hard to replace an Alex Rance. But it’ll give someone an opportunity no doubt.”
Hardwick acknowledged, however, that it was a bitter pill to swallow.
“You’ve been through a lot with this guy, and been through a journey, and then to have it taken away from you round one is disappointing. We walk away with four points but we certainly walk away disappointed we lost a warrior,” he said.
“There were guys in tears, knowing they’ve lost a comrade for possibly 12 months.”
Key defender Ryan Garthwaite, 20, who played two games last year, looms as an option to help fill the hole left by Rance.
Noah Balta, who debuted as a forward on Thursday night, could also be used in defence.
Rance’s premiership teammate Vlastuin explained how the Tigers reshuffled after Rance went down.
“Dave [Astbury] and Grimesy [Dylan Grimes] took his role on deepest [forward], and then we kind of all shuffled back down. We had Jack Graham down there in the last quarter who didn’t know what we he was doing but looked like a natural down there,” Vlastuin told The Age.
Looking forward, Vlastuin said it would require a team effort to fill the void.
“You can never replace Alex Rance,” he said.
“But hopefully Dave will stand up a little, I’ll stand up a bit, I’ll stand up myself, and hopefully you just try to fill the void. Ryan Garthwaite’s a very promising young key back. Balta has played a little bit of backline as well. Or maybe we’ll go a smaller backline.”
Rance has missed just two games since the start of 2015, one of several key Tigers to have been very durable in recent years.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-v-richmond-star-tiger-defender-suffers-knee-injury-20190321-p516ek.html
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It's great how our team genuinely cares about one another.
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ACL confirmed on club website
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ACL confirmed on club website
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-03-22/rance-injury-update
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:help :banghead :'(
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It has been mentioned at various times in the media that we aren't the most skilful team but we are a great team. If all players have a role to fulfil and they do that to the best of their ability then that's all you can ask. No doubt Rance is a legend of the game but he is only one of a squad of 22 on game day, if we are the great team that has been spoken of then we should be able to adequately cover his loss.
Obviously there are going to be games lost where you will look at particular passages of the game and say with Rance in the team we would have overcome that situation and probably gone on to win the game but ultimately other teams have coped with similar losses in personnel and so must we.
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It’s a monumental loss, however you spin it.
Frankly, I’m still in denial at the moment.
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This thread needs more Chucky #chickenlittles.... :shh
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Harden up.
Injuries happen and we have been blessed in this regard.
West Coast and Collingwood had massive outs in last year's grandfinal. They still made it, so will we.
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Rance was interviewed by both Channels 7 & 9 newses on his way to the scans:
Ch 7 vision: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1108988962134085632
Ch 9 vision: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1108997499342118912
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ACL not as bad as a PCL?
Full year?
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ACL is worse than a PCL!
YET depends on the Grade tear!
Could Rance have LARS surgery?
Goldsack came back from a ACL within a year!
Also Rance posted on Instagram that he is “likely miss” the season.
I think he is optimistic about it!
Rance makes up a lot and he is a bigger loss than what Collingwood and West Coast had!
He has been the competitions best key defender for 5 years in a row!
Richmond do need to think about blooding a new cub.
I would like to see Grathwaite play as that CHB and have Astbury at FB.
Vlastuin to be that intercept marker!
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ACL is worse than a PCL!
YET depends on the Grade tear!
Could Rance have LARS surgery?
Goldsack came back from a ACL within a year!
Also Rance posted on Instagram that he is “likely miss” the season.
I think he is optimistic about it!
Rance makes up a lot and he is a bigger loss than what Collingwood and West Coast had!
He has been the competitions best key defender for 5 years in a row!
Richmond do need to think about blooding a new cub.
I would like to see Grathwaite play as that CHB and have Astbury at FB.
Vlastuin to be that intercept marker!
ACL is generally worse as you are out for a year but surgeons are more experienced at the surgery so if it's agood repair you should be fine when you come back. LARS is not popular anymore. Actually when some started doing the surgery here it already had been banned in Europe. He is a much bigger loss than what other teams lost. Hopefully we can blood Garthwaite when he is ready. Balta is the other tall we can play down back (I think he is a better defender than forward anyway). When playing smaller forward lines I'd like to see us give Stack a go. He has been one of our bests in every match he has played so far and has great footskills coming out of defence. He also does not fear physical contact as opposed to others who shall remain nameless. :shh
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We don't have the best back 6 any more so I guess we just need to accept we'll have a more leaky defense and try and pile on enough goals to get across the line? Also for the drs on this forum. Has anyone ever come back from an ACL within the same season?
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We don't have the best back 6 any more so I guess we just need to accept we'll have a more leaky defense and try and pile on enough goals to get across the line? Also for the drs on this forum. Has anyone ever come back from an ACL within the same season?
Didn't Goldsack come back last year but I think he did his in the preseason IIRC?
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At this stage the indications are that the synthetic ligaments have a higher likelihood of re-injury, compared to traditional surgical techniques.
https://www.latrobe.edu.au/nest/acl-injuries-in-the-afl-qa-with-dr-courtney-lai/
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We don't have the best back 6 any more so I guess we just need to accept we'll have a more leaky defense and try and pile on enough goals to get across the line? Also for the drs on this forum. Has anyone ever come back from an ACL within the same season?
Didn't Goldsack come back last year but I think he did his in the preseason IIRC?
Yep. Goldsack did his ACL in the Pies' last preseason game in March last year. Came back 5 months later to play in the finals.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/it-is-remarkable-to-say-he-only-tore-his-acl-five-months-ago-tyson-goldsack-completes-remarkable-return-in-the-west/news-story/dbc7223883210958bde5cc0e27965cd6
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We don't have the best back 6 any more so I guess we just need to accept we'll have a more leaky defense and try and pile on enough goals to get across the line? Also for the drs on this forum. Has anyone ever come back from an ACL within the same season?
Didn't Goldsack come back last year but I think he did his in the preseason IIRC?
Yep. Goldsack did his ACL in the Pies' last preseason game in March last year. Came back 5 months later to play in the finals.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/it-is-remarkable-to-say-he-only-tore-his-acl-five-months-ago-tyson-goldsack-completes-remarkable-return-in-the-west/news-story/dbc7223883210958bde5cc0e27965cd6
Essentially a week before rance and was back for week 1 of finals.
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We don't have the best back 6 any more so I guess we just need to accept we'll have a more leaky defense and try and pile on enough goals to get across the line? Also for the drs on this forum. Has anyone ever come back from an ACL within the same season?
Didn't Goldsack come back last year but I think he did his in the preseason IIRC?
Yep. Goldsack did his ACL in the Pies' last preseason game in March last year. Came back 5 months later to play in the finals.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/it-is-remarkable-to-say-he-only-tore-his-acl-five-months-ago-tyson-goldsack-completes-remarkable-return-in-the-west/news-story/dbc7223883210958bde5cc0e27965cd6
Had his surgery on the day the season started in 2018 so a few days ahead of Rance
How bad is the ACL compared to Goldsack
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Still devastated about losing Rance for the season but as a club you have to move on pretty quickly.
IMO it gives us an opportunity to change things slightly.
Garthwaite is young and still learning but IMO he plays more like Astbury than Rance. I personally don’t think we can play 2 slower types like Astbury and Garthwaite in the same side.
Hawthorn for many years when they were the best side played a more “undersized” more athletic backline that worked together to beat the “big forwards” rather than trying to play bigger slower players on them.
Birchall, Gibson, Lake and Stratton are all undersized for KPD but did the job for many years as they were all athletic and able to cover the ground so they could help out teammates in the air.
The key is they just worked together and had a player drop off to jump over the top to spoil. (Third man up)
We have Astbury, Grimes, Broad and Vlastuin who IMO can do the same thing but the most important thing is other 2 small defenders need to be able to defend first and foremost as well as to be able to still provide drive from our defence.
So IMO Houli needs to be moved further up the ground or plays in the early game. I know he played good in a Grand Final 25 games ago but even the biggest of Houli fans would concede, his ability to defend dangerous small forwards is very limited at best.
Short stays for mine as I don’t think he defends nearly as bad as others say and his rebound running and long kicking is as good as any other player in the comp.
So to replace Rance I think we need to find a tough, lock down, super quick, smallish defender that can still contribute with moving the footy out of our backline as well as defend. (Hodge played that roll at times at Hawthorn in those Grand Final winning years)
Is Sydney Stack that man?....
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"Is Sydney Stack that man?...."
Maybe, possibly a good choice?
It worked up forward last 2 years.
Could the same system work in the back line?
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I agree BT. Instead of looking for another big KPD to replace Rance we need to think outside the box with a small. Let's face it, Rance is irreplaceable. Let it go, move on.
Sydney Stack just might be the thing we need! We have often struggled to counter the speedy small/med forwards, let's take this on as an opportunity to try something different.
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I agree BT. Instead of looking for another big KPD to replace Rance we need to think outside the box with a small. Let's face it, Rance is irreplaceable. Let it go, move on.
Sydney Stack just might be the thing we need! We have often struggled to counter the speedy small/med forwards, let's take this on as an opportunity to try something different.
Yeah the luxury of having Grimes play on the smalls like Eddie Betts is probably gone with the injury of Rance but he has shown he can also play on the medium talks like McGovern from Carlton.
Now just need to find the player than keep the Eddie Betts of the competition quiet.
Could we turn McIntosh into a Grimes type of defender?
He is a great size, tough and annoying, fit, and moves really well. He is just a bit robotic at the moment IMO and probably needs to learn how to cut the angles down like Grimes does rather than just chase arse. He needs to get smarter.
I’m tipping Rance could teach him a lot as a back man in a short amount of time.
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Is Garthwaite that slow?
Only seen him play once, but he reminded me more of Grimes than of Astbury or Rance.
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Is Garthwaite that slow?
Only seen him play once, but he reminded me more of Grimes than of Astbury or Rance.
Nowhere near as slow as Astbury.... :shh
Reminds me a bit of Glass.... :shh :shh
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I agree that the answer is not to replace rance but to change the system slightly. The Stack suggestion is a good one especislly if he can use his evasion skills to run the ball out.
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Short's panicky kicks to no-one, not to mention the likes od Broad with his iffy disposal & McIntosh's blind hacks, would probably undermine that whole plan...in terms of foot skills and decision making ,particularly under pressure-08-15 Hawthorn we ain't... even moreso without Rance.... :shh
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Short's panicky kicks to no-one, not to mention the likes od Broad with his iffy disposal & McIntosh's blind hacks, would probably undermine that whole plan...in terms of foot skills and decision making ,particularly under pressure-08-15 Hawthorn we ain't... even moreso without Rance.... :shh
Amazed that after his last half of last season and start to this season that the myth about McKintosh's disposal continues to be peddled by some.
Foot skills and general disposal have improved dramatically. Get with the times
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His disposal has indeed improved , it's still more miss than hit though.....particularly by foot....and definitely not up to the consistency required if you want to start adopting Clarkson's/Hawthorn's premiership game plan... :shh
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His disposal has indeed improved , it's still more miss than hit though.....particularly by foot....and definitely not up to the consistency required if you want to start adopting Clarkson's/Hawthorn's premiership game plan... :shh
He is technically a good kick but I think he has panicked (a lot) in the past and rushed his kicks. He is now more experienced and confident and is more calm kicking and so is hitting targets a lot more frequently... :shh
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Well I suppose Hawthorn still won flags with Langford & Spangher while playing that style.. :shh :shh
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Mick Warner on Talking Footy tonight said Rance's ACL tear was very clean. It's the best case scenario for an ACL. Carey believed Rance had his op today.
Warner also asked if Rance should try to make a comeback later this year? Carey replied that for Rance's mental well-being he should attempt to make it back. If he doesn't then it doesn't matter as the Club will access it at that time and if he isn't fully right then they won't risk him given how important Rance is to Richmond.
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The focus should be on getting Rance right for the preseason. So he can get through it in full fitness and be cherryripe for the start of 2020.
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'Irreplaceable' Rance leaves huge hole
Roger Vaughan
ESPN
26 March 2019
Alex Rance is so valuable to Richmond, it's going to take 22 AFL teammates to replace him.
Rance will undergo his knee reconstruction on Tuesday and will miss the rest of the season after his injury during Thursday night's round-one win over Carlton.
The key defender is the only player to make the last five All-Australian teams and his absence is a massive blow to the Tigers' premiership hopes.
But coach Damien Hardwick said they think they can find a way.
"Alex is irreplaceable, let's be honest. We cannot replace (him), he's that good a player that you can't just slot in another player," Hardwick told AFL360.
"Then we spoke as a group - it's up to 22 of us to fulfil the role of him.
"We're not expecting one player to come in and be able to get close to what that player can represent.
"It's an opportunity for us as a team to find another way."
Hardwick said it is galling that Rance was hurt in an innocuous marking contest.
"You think about the way this guy plays the game and for an incident such as that to bring about his downfall - this guy's Hercules, the way he throws around his body," he said.
Rance continues to amaze Hardwick with his reaction to the injury, staying upbeat and supporting his teammates.
"It made me feel guilty, I was feeling sorry for us," Hardwick said.
"He was in (at the club) the next day, he's that sort of person.
"He's well-and-truly entrenched and wants to help the boys become what they need to be."
While Hardwck said it would be crazy for Richmond not to use Rance in some sort of support role for the team, he is worried about the defender's enthusiasm.
"He's going to be rocking up in his Tommy Hafey gear," Hardwick joked, referring to the legendary Richmond coach.
http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/26356981/irreplaceable-rance-leaves-huge-hole
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Does anyone know who the surgeon is?
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YBB put his hand up. Don't know if he got the gig or not
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YBB put his hand up. Don't know if he got the gig or not
I am not Julian Feller... :shh
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Rance on MMM just now:
* Knee has been going well. He's been back running the past couple of weeks. Now only a matter of managing the swelling.
* Sees surgeon Julian Feller on Wednesday. Everything has gone well as he hasn't needed any further surgery.
* The club gulps every time this question is answered but he is a positive person and wants to play later on in the season. If Tyson Goldsack can come back after 16 weeks then why not himself. He won't play if there's a fair risk of the knee going again but he wants to comeback this season.
* He was fine watching the team play in the first months and a half. Now when he watches he is like a disgruntled coach and can see defensive systems breaking down: goals out the back or oppositions cutting through us. So he tries to pass his knowledge onto the young guys.
* He said it was exciting for us to see young blokes like Balta, Stack, Chol on weekend, Menadue getting games now, and Naish as a good father/son get.
* He credited Astbury, Grimes and Vlastuin for sacrificing their game to allow him to play the way he does.
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Dale Morris is returning from an ACL after just 106 days.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-24/veteran-dog-set-for-vfl-return-106-days-after-acl-injury
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Dale Morris is returning from an ACL after just 106 days.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-24/veteran-dog-set-for-vfl-return-106-days-after-acl-injury
Totally different to Rance's ACL
Alex = total tear of ACL, requiring surgery
Dale Morris = partial tear, didn't require surgery
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Alex = young stallion in his prime
Morris = old man coming off 2 partial tears
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Gale said Alex Rance was no certainty to return if the Tigers make the finals, but he wouldn’t rule out what would be a remarkable comeback from a knee reconstruction.
“You never know,” he said. “He is a very driven and assertive individual, but that will be up to the medical (staff).”
Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/run-home-champion-data-predicts-who-will-make-the-top-eight/news-story/0ff99bcf15d39d66943e55861c1e884d)
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Whether or not Rance makes it back his work ethic, determination and leadership are all on display for his younger teammates
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Should've been put on the LTI list which would've given us another mid-season draft pick. :shh
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Rance will be a guest on The Front Bar next week.
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Should've been put on the LTI list which would've given us another mid-season draft pick. :shh
You don’t put someone like rance on the LTI list even if theirs only a small chance he’ll play again just so you can pick up some state league player who probably won’t play anyway.
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Before the match, Hardwick said there remained ''a very small possibility'' that Rance could yet return to the line-up later this season, telling ABC radio that the 29 year old's rehabilitation from a knee reconstruction and training was ''going incredibly well''.
He said the Rance was such an important player that the Tigers would err on the side of caution with his comeback, but conceded it would be tempting to slot him back into the 22 if Richmond made the finals. ''It would be good to put that piece back in the puzzle,'' he said.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-season-starts-now-says-hardwick-20190630-p522qy.html)
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Will he play in 2019? A conversation is coming with 'freak' defender, says Dimma
AFL.com.au
Mitch Cleary
Jul 1, 2019
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has declared a conversation is coming with "freak" defender Alex Rance over a possible 2019 return.
Just 15 weeks after surgery to repair his ruptured ACL, Rance is nearing full speed after stepping up his running in recent weeks.
While the Tigers remain focused on the 29-year-old's long-term future, Hardwick concedes the Rance magnet is a tempting proposition.
"He's going incredibly well. It's scary how much of a freak of an athlete he is," Hardwick told ABC on Sunday.
"He's that far ahead of schedule, it's not funny. He's probably going to challenge us (for a return) at some stage.
"The danger for us that he's such an important player but also, when I do see him moving, I think: 'Oooh, [it'd] be good to put that piece back on the puzzle, wouldn't it?'.
"He's going really, really well. He's an incredible performer and we look forward to having him back at some stage, whether it's this year we're not too sure."
Collingwood veteran Tyson Goldsack returned in the VFL just over 20 weeks after tearing his ACL in pre-season following an aggressive rehab last year.
Hardwick refused to shut the door on Rance doing a similar thing this season.
"There's a very small possibility (for 2019)," Hardwick said.
"We're very conservative with the important player that he is, a five-time All Australian, All Australian captain so you don't want to put him at any risk, and that will be first and foremost in our minds."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-01/will-he-play-in-2019-a-conversation-is-coming-with-freak-defender-says-dimma
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The problem with coming back earlier is that the longer you leave the graft the more it scars up and the stronger it gets..... :shh
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The problem with coming back earlier is that the longer you leave the graft the more it scars up and the stronger it gets..... :shh
Exactly, couple this with the strain his lateral movement would put on his graft (one of his strengths as a player but a huge strain on that graft) and I wouldn’t risk him.
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Rance recovering at ‘warp speed’
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
July 3, 2019
Richmond says it is not prepared to risk Alex Rance’s future for a short-term premiership tilt despite his astonishing ACL recovery so far.
The Tigers have left open the possibility he could return this year, with Rance completing sprints last week.
Coach Damien Hardwick conceded the star defender was recovering at warp speed.
But leading medical experts such as Dr Peter Larkins have warned that an ACL graft is at its weakest around the time Rance would be returning after 25 weeks.
Richmond football boss Neil Balme said yesterday the club had to allowed Rance to push his recovery given he was determined to play again this year.
But he said the decision would be made after consultation between the club’s surgeon and medical staff.
“The medicos will talk to his surgeon and really it will be a question of the risk if he plays as opposed to the risk of him playing next year and if there is any significant difference he won’t be playing,” Balme said.
“That’s only my opinion and we don’t want to put it out of the question because he needs to strive for something.”
Rance’s contract was last year extended to 2021, with the five-time All Australian easily able to play well into his 30s if his motivation levels stay high.
He had at one stage considered retiring before his most recent contract but with his pace and intercepting skills he could easily play on like Matthew Scarlett, who retired at 33.
Rance went down in Round 1 and while Tyson Goldsack and Dale Morris have made miracle returns from ACL ruptures neither had anything to lose if their knees buckled again given they were in the final years of their contracts.
Shane Edwards told the Herald Sun after the win over St Kilda he was amazed by Rance’s recovery.
“When you watch him train you can get carried away because he looks so good. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has taken his rehab to another level and comes back but at the same time you don’t want to sacrifice an Alex Rance again, so they are big decisions.”
Jack Riewoldt told his Balls and Bumpers podcast last week the club would have to have “adult conversations” with Rance given the speed of his recovery.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-not-prepared-to-risk-alex-rance-despite-stunning-progress-on-knee-injury/news-story/82f9b36b9f334d239aa5d5dcda1e947e
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Balme says very unlikely
That means he will be playing Round 21 😉
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Dimma on Rance's chances of a comeback this year:
The Tigers haven't closed the door on a miraculous return this season for Alex Rance, who ruptured his ACL in round one, but Hardwick admitted it was highly unlikely they'd risk the star defender.
"He's a very, very small chance," Hardwick said.
"The probability of re-injuring the ACL as compared to the long-term career that he obviously has [ahead of him], he's a five-time All-Australian so we're not going to take a risk with a player of that calibre."
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/time-for-tigers-to-show-bite-hardwick-20190704-p52451.html)
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just placed on LTIL
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just placed on LTIL
And they can drop him off ?
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just placed on LTIL
And they can drop him off ?
IIRC, LTIL is minimum 8 weeks
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just placed on LTIL
And they can drop him off ?
IIRC, LTIL is minimum 8 weeks
Which would still allow Rance to be available for the finals if we go deep into the season.
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What's the advantage of putting him on the LTIL now????
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What's the advantage of putting him on the LTIL now????
To give the egg man a chance
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What's the advantage of putting him on the LTIL now????
To give the egg man a chance
I thought a club doesn't need to put players on the LTIL anymore to elevate a rookie.... :shh
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Mark Stevens as a preview to Ch 7 news just said "Is Alex Rance about to make a miracle comeback".
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Star Tiger Alex Rance is pushing his body to the limit - hoping for a miracle comeback in time for the finals. A knee injury in round one looked to have ended his season, but a fairytale return looms. @Stevo7AFL #7AFL #7NEWS
Watch it here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1149594229879869440
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Richmond CEO Brendon Gale told 3AW that Alex Rance was “ way ahead of where he should be” but “unlikely” to play this season, although Hardwick deemed him a “small possibility, but a possibility”.
Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/justin-westhoff-left-fuming-after-copping-one-of-the-harshest-50m-penalties-of-the-season/news-story/ef96061fc4b62762e226a8d6089eaad5)
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I only heard it in the background but it sounded like Andy Maher told Dal Santo that he's hearing Rance will 100% come back this year.
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I only heard it in the background but it sounded like Andy Maher told Dal Santo that he's hearing Rance will 100% come back this year.
Nah. He said that Wallace and someone else were saying they were 100% sure he'd return.
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He was running at not more or less full pace today. Not changing direction though. On his insta.
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Rance’s finals comeback bid out of his hands
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
July 23, 2019
Alex Rance’s bid for a remarkable September comeback will be aided by new surgical techniques that fast-track recoveries from ACL ruptures.
Rance on Monday posted footage of himself running at Punt Rd Oval in his rehabilitation, with the five-time All-Australian making amazing progress four months after Round 1 surgery.
Richmond will take a decision on Alex Rance’s remarkable comeback out of his hands given his desperation to push for a stunning return this year.
But leading sports medico Rohan White says advances in knee reconstruction technology give players a realistic chance to return six months-post surgery.
The club continues to talk down an AFL return given the risk but he could conceivably play in a VFL final in six weeks time then be ready for week one of the finals.
The Tigers will leave the decision in the hands of his surgeon Julian Feller, aware their surging form and Rance’s brilliance makes it almost impossible for the coaches to decide.
Rance would need to progress from straight-line running to game simulation and football touch, potentially playing VFL in the week before the first week of the AFL finals on September 5-8.
He is aided by an ACL tear that contained no other damage to his knee and remarkable recovery powers that have seen him back running for several weeks.
The Tigers are pushing hard for a top-four position and take on Collingwood in a blockbuster on Friday night, with Toby Nankervis likely to return after a VFL hitout.
He was excellent in a half in the VFL over the weekend, with Marlion Pickett’s VFL debut likely to be put back by a family tragedy that has seen him return to Perth.
Richmond boss Brendon Gale said on the weekend Rance is “way beyond where he should be. He thinks he is a chance to play this year and so he should.”
Former St Kilda doctor White told the Herald Sun across football six-month recoveries were becoming more commonplace.
“There are different kinds of ACLs. What often delays the return to footy is not just the ACL rupture but all the other ligament and bone damage.
“If you get a bad one it is 12 months but if it’s an isolated ACL tear and the surgery has gone really well and there is no other damage, we are seeing guys come back faster and with new types of ACL reconstructions they are tightening the joint at the same time.
“With newer techniques used by surgeons like the world class orthopaedic surgeons in Melbourne and Julian Feller, who is Alex’s surgeon, it’s not inconceivable to see guys coming back in 6-9 months.
“A surgeon would scan the cartilage to make sure there is no issue and to ensure the graft itself is maturing and also a surgeon with an enormous amount of experience would test the stability of the joint and the strength of his leg.”
Richmond’s thriving VFL team will also give him a chance to play VFL deep into September.
Rance has two more seasons on his AFL contract with the Tigers but if he did tear his ACL again he would be back late in the 2020 season but in time for finals.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/alex-rance-determined-to-make-amazing-september-return-but-decision-will-be-out-of-his-hands/news-story/f4f083cd830f43f322936ae95aab39ce
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Rance looks in mint condition
He looks huge , best condition
Did a series 500m against the clock today
He has had plenty of miles into those legs
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Rance looks in mint condition
He looks huge , best condition
Did a series 500m against the clock today
He has had plenty of miles into those legs
is he turning corners though or straight lines?
If he's not confidently trying lateral movements at this stage (or close to) he's almost certainly not playing finals.
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Rance looks in mint condition
He looks huge , best condition
Did a series 500m against the clock today
He has had plenty of miles into those legs
is he turning corners though or straight lines?
If he's not confidently trying lateral movements at this stage (or close to) he's almost certainly not playing finals.
Does the Agility ladder side weaving quicker than anyone
Hopefully ball in hand next week
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Hardwick also fielded the obligatory Alex Rance will-he-or-won't-he-return-this-season question, saying the club's medical staff would make a "calculated decision" with the long term in mind.
He is yet to issue a deadline on when the five-time All Australian would need to have sufficiently recovered from the anterior cruciate ligament setback he sustained in round one.
"That's something we haven't given real consideration, because most players who do an ACL, you sort of look to the front end of next year," Hardwick said.
"We'll work our way through that if it becomes a realistic possibility … we're not opening the door but we're not closing it, either."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-25/dimma-hints-at-sending-catalyst-edwards-forward-if-caddy-back)
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Will he play in the finals?
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Nope
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I think it's looking increasingly unlikely.
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I think it's looking increasingly unlikely.
Looking increasingly as if it’s what they said a month after he did the injury. He’s a mile ahead of schedule and a small but reasonable chance of playing again this year...
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Gee man it's another title at a flag.
I would say 10/90 against but imagine dance as an inclusion week 2 of finals
They might as well hand us the cup. The energy when dusty signed went up a notch but I reckon a rance inclusion would better that
It's up to the doc and if reports are correct it's a negative
I'd love it though
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No, don't risk it.
Imagine 5 minutes into a final and he goes down again, we're one short and the players would be shattered.
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I reckon he will play.
I know it’s a risk but if a premiership is up for grabs and he is ready to go, why not?
We might not be in a position next year, so imo it’s definitely worth the risk.
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Reckon he will play
Last game against Brisbane
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Said it before and haven't change my mind
Don't risk it. The risk is too great
Doc Larkins who I have great respect for said the graft to heal completely and be at the right strength takes 9 months.
It hasn't been 9 months.
Good news is Alex's surgeon is the best in the business in Julian Fellar (sp?) and the club has made it clear they will be guided by him
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Said it before and haven't change my mind
Don't risk it. The risk is too great
Doc Larkins who I have great respect for said the graft to heal completely and be at the right strength takes 9 months.
It hasn't been 9 months.
Good news is Alex's surgeon is the best in the business in Julian Fellar (sp?) and the club has made it clear they will be guided by him
The risk is too great??
A premiership is up for grabs and he could be the difference.
Hypothetic question-
Would you take a premiership this year and lose Rance for next year?
Or would you forgo that premiership for him and us to “maybe” be in contention next year?
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The other hypothetical question would be what if we play Rance and in the first final he does his knee again? We are then one man down for the game and the deflating effect that would have for the team in that game and the rest of the final series would be immense.... :shh
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The other hypothetical question would be what if we play Rance and in the first final he does his knee again? We are then one man down for the game and the deflating effect that would have for the team in that game and the rest of the final series would be immense.... :shh
The only counter to that point is that if he is cleared by doctors to play then hypothetically that could happen to anyone who has been injured, we shouldn’t just react because it’s Rance and a knee reco.
The doctors clearing him to play is the only logical way to justify playing him.
If we look at Cotchin as a more extreme version of the above logic, does his third hamstring now rule him out for the entire season?
No matter how minor the hamstring tear, there is now a big risk that it reoccurs.
So, it’s up to the medicos, the match committee and then the player to decide whether he plays again this season.
My only other counter is that if the above happens and he does play, we are effectively one man up due to his extraordinary play and leadership.
He might just win us a final or a GF if he does play...
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He should come in week 2 or 3 of finals.
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The other hypothetical question would be what if we play Rance and in the first final he does his knee again? We are then one man down for the game and the deflating effect that would have for the team in that game and the rest of the final series would be immense.... :shh
The only counter to that point is that if he is cleared by doctors to play then hypothetically that could happen to anyone who has been injured, we shouldn’t just react because it’s Rance and a knee reco.
The doctors clearing him to play is the only logical way to justify playing him.
If we look at Cotchin as a more extreme version of the above logic, does his third hamstring now rule him out for the entire season?
No matter how minor the hamstring tear, there is now a big risk that it reoccurs.
So, it’s up to the medicos, the match committee and then the player to decide whether he plays again this season.
My only other counter is that if the above happens and he does play, we are effectively one man up due to his extraordinary play and leadership.
He might just win us a final or a GF if he does play...
The problem with this is there is no exact science in ascertaining whether a knee reco is good to go or not. Medicos will almost always err on the side of caution in these cases as you can imagine the backlash if they say he is good to go and then nekminut does his knee.... :shh
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I would get a few opinions if I was making the decision, I remember a few careers being ruined by coaches trying to make 9th
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The other hypothetical question would be what if we play Rance and in the first final he does his knee again? We are then one man down for the game and the deflating effect that would have for the team in that game and the rest of the final series would be immense.... :shh
The only counter to that point is that if he is cleared by doctors to play then hypothetically that could happen to anyone who has been injured, we shouldn’t just react because it’s Rance and a knee reco.
The doctors clearing him to play is the only logical way to justify playing him.
If we look at Cotchin as a more extreme version of the above logic, does his third hamstring now rule him out for the entire season?
No matter how minor the hamstring tear, there is now a big risk that it reoccurs.
So, it’s up to the medicos, the match committee and then the player to decide whether he plays again this season.
My only other counter is that if the above happens and he does play, we are effectively one man up due to his extraordinary play and leadership.
He might just win us a final or a GF if he does play...
The problem with this is there is no exact science in ascertaining whether a knee reco is good to go or not. Medicos will almost always err on the side of caution in these cases as you can imagine the backlash if they say he is good to go and then nekminut does his knee.... :shh
You are write in saying there is no exact science but that has to work both ways.
Just because it takes someone longer to get over a knee doesn’t mean the greatest athlete in the AFL won’t be ready. :shh
It’s worth the risk if it means potentially anther premiership- and I reckon Rance would say the same thing.
Don’t get me wrong, if he is not ready don’t play him but if he does all the training and gets past to play, then IMO he is ready.... and there is a risk in everything.
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I would get a few opinions if I was making the decision, I remember a few careers being ruined by coaches trying to make 9th
I can tell you now what the majority of opinions will be. They will hover from between 9 to 12 months post surgery and he does not fall into that category. If there was a specific test that could estimate the strength of the new graft and its attachments then we could use that. Unfortunately, there isn't so all we have are overall statistics which of course tell us nothing about an individual case.
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Ummm ...
I had done my PLC and have friends that have done ACLs.
Once you are running, your ACL is 100%.
Is more about match conditions.
PLUS! He is on the Long Term Injury List so cant play until finals.
There is 5 weeks to go before our 1st final.
which will make it 6 months post surgery.
Rance just needs to play on the 2nd or 3rd forward and it will benefit us!
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Finish bottom 4 for next 4 years after winning the flag this year and he doesn’t play 🤔
Keep in mind Dusty played on one leg last prelim when he couldn’t run at training . And played Astbury who spent the night in hospital
Rance hasn’t missed a beat at training
Looks the fit as
Done all the agility ladders and speed tests
Is there a risk ?
So is driving a car a risk
If he a decision has been made by club , interesting that he was running in the pouring rain ☔️ at 4.30pm on Friday afternoon
He has left no stone underturned
Also don’t know if it been mentioned but there was no damage around the ACL and swellings went down extremely quick which allowed him to Xtrain earlier than expected
Hopefully he starts training with main group this week along with Jack Ross
Rance would be sick of running 20 laps a session
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I'd be happy to lose Rance for 2020 if it won us another flag. And I suspect he'd be ok with it too. Eek!
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Ummm ...
I had done my PLC and have friends that have done ACLs.
Once you are running, your ACL is 100%.
Is more about match conditions.
PLUS! He is on the Long Term Injury List so cant play until finals.
There is 5 weeks to go before our 1st final.
which will make it 6 months post surgery.
Rance just needs to play on the 2nd or 3rd forward and it will benefit us!
Totally agree
I am trying to work out what risk ?
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Premierships are just too hard to win, you gotta catch the breaks hit form at the right time and a bit of luck chucked in.
You gotta roll the dice to win it all
If we are a chance and he is cleared he plays in my book, you just never know when it will come around again.
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Premierships are just too hard to win, you gotta catch the breaks hit form at the right time and a bit of luck chucked in.
You gotta roll the dice to win it all
If we are a chance and he is cleared he plays in my book, you just never know when it will come around again.
👍👍
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The other hypothetical question would be what if we play Rance and in the first final he does his knee again? We are then one man down for the game and the deflating effect that would have for the team in that game and the rest of the final series would be immense.... :shh
The only counter to that point is that if he is cleared by doctors to play then hypothetically that could happen to anyone who has been injured, we shouldn’t just react because it’s Rance and a knee reco.
The doctors clearing him to play is the only logical way to justify playing him.
If we look at Cotchin as a more extreme version of the above logic, does his third hamstring now rule him out for the entire season?
No matter how minor the hamstring tear, there is now a big risk that it reoccurs.
So, it’s up to the medicos, the match committee and then the player to decide whether he plays again this season.
My only other counter is that if the above happens and he does play, we are effectively one man up due to his extraordinary play and leadership.
He might just win us a final or a GF if he does play...
The problem with this is there is no exact science in ascertaining whether a knee reco is good to go or not. Medicos will almost always err on the side of caution in these cases as you can imagine the backlash if they say he is good to go and then nekminut does his knee.... :shh
Does not logic not also apply to Hamstrings, concussions and a multitude of other injuries?
As I previously posted, the medico is the first person that clears the players, then the match committee and finally the player.
This should be the case for all injuries where there is a risk the injury can reoccurs...
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Dale Morris just did his ACL is his comeback game for the Bulldogs .
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Dale Morris just did his ACL is his comeback game for the Bulldogs .
That's terribly sad. Career over ..
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Dale Morris just did his ACL is his comeback game for the Bulldogs .
I guess that's the risk!
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Played 4 games in the VFL
5th Game back for Morris
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Played 4 games in the VFL
5th Game back for Morris
And yet his knee was only stressed enough in the big league. And it wasn't even a final..... :shh
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Played 4 games in the VFL
5th Game back for Morris
And yet his knee was only stressed enough in the big league. And it wasn't even a final..... :shh
So let’s put Cotchin in mothballs for the rest of the year ....
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Played 4 games in the VFL
5th Game back for Morris
And yet his knee was only stressed enough in the big league. And it wasn't even a final..... :shh
So let’s put Cotchin in mothballs for the rest of the year ....
Hamstring awareness does not equate to coming back from a knee reco 3 months too early...... :shh
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Played 4 games in the VFL
5th Game back for Morris
And yet his knee was only stressed enough in the big league. And it wasn't even a final..... :shh
Totally different player
Totally different situation
Way may not make finals next year
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Played 4 games in the VFL
5th Game back for Morris
And yet his knee was only stressed enough in the big league. And it wasn't even a final..... :shh
Totally different player
Totally different situation
Way may not make finals next year
And yet he is an investment. He has 2 more years on his contract to fulfil. He hasn't played since round one and probably never kicked a ball let alone compete in anger at training. His touch and judgement would be wsy off. So we risk bringing him back in when the competition is at its fiercest. Big call. Or you could back the crew who actually got you to the finals in the first place.... :shh
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This is Alex frkn Rance we are talking about.
If he is cleared by his surgeon and our team doctor then he comes straight in.
If he reinjuries his knee than that’s very unlucky but the same thing could happen if they decide to hold him back until next year.
I mean did you see the way he did it in the first place? There wasn’t any contact, it didn’t even look like he landed any differently to every other contest he’s ever been in. It was just like many other injuries a freak accident.
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This is Alex frkn Rance we are talking about.
If he is cleared by his surgeon and our team doctor then he comes straight in.
If he reinjuries his knee than that’s very unlucky but the same thing could happen if they decide to hold him back until next year.
I mean did you see the way he did it in the first place? There wasn’t any contact, it didn’t even look like he landed any differently to every other contest he’s ever been in. It was just like many other injuries a freak accident.
You’re not listening. I am saying I doubt Julian will say he’s good to go. In fact I’d be very surprised. Funnier things have happened though..... :shh
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This is Alex frkn Rance we are talking about.
If he is cleared by his surgeon and our team doctor then he comes straight in.
If he reinjuries his knee than that’s very unlucky but the same thing could happen if they decide to hold him back until next year.
I mean did you see the way he did it in the first place? There wasn’t any contact, it didn’t even look like he landed any differently to every other contest he’s ever been in. It was just like many other injuries a freak accident.
You’re not listening. I am saying I doubt Julian will say he’s good to go. In fact I’d be very surprised. Funnier things have happened though..... :shh
No I get that and 1000% agree if the doc is in any way hesitant then it should be a no go.
But feels like some are saying don’t risk him just for the sake of it regardless of what the surgeon says.
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The risk is too great??
A premiership is up for grabs and he could be the difference.
Hypothetic question-
Would you take a premiership this year and lose Rance for next year?
Or would you forgo that premiership for him and us to “maybe” be in contention next year?
Sorry I missed this
After all the abuse I've copped on this forum by some posters when posing hypotheticals I tend not to play and sorry not playing this time
What I will say is if his surgeon says the risk is too great to his long term future, then no I wouldn't and I'd back in the blokes who have got us there to win us that flag
As a side note, I played cricket with someone who had a knee reco, they came back from it too early and their knee is now shot to pieces, they can no longer bend their knee. Knee replacement hasnt worked either. Wouldn't wish their suffering on anyone
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Hypothetical.what if Alex said to club he was going to quit football at years end ?
And travel the world with his wife ?
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Hypothetical.what if Alex said to club he was going to quit football at years end ?
And travel the world with his wife ?
I'd threaten him with a blood transfusion! Hypothetically, of course!
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This is Alex frkn Rance we are talking about.
If he is cleared by his surgeon and our team doctor then he comes straight in.
If he reinjuries his knee than that’s very unlucky but the same thing could happen if they decide to hold him back until next year.
I mean did you see the way he did it in the first place? There wasn’t any contact, it didn’t even look like he landed any differently to every other contest he’s ever been in. It was just like many other injuries a freak accident.
You’re not listening. I am saying I doubt Julian will say he’s good to go. In fact I’d be very surprised. Funnier things have happened though..... :shh
You know, your not an expert when it comes to “not listening”.
Your last response to my post completely avoided the principle of what I was posting....
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This is Alex frkn Rance we are talking about.
If he is cleared by his surgeon and our team doctor then he comes straight in.
If he reinjuries his knee than that’s very unlucky but the same thing could happen if they decide to hold him back until next year.
I mean did you see the way he did it in the first place? There wasn’t any contact, it didn’t even look like he landed any differently to every other contest he’s ever been in. It was just like many other injuries a freak accident.
You’re not listening. I am saying I doubt Julian will say he’s good to go. In fact I’d be very surprised. Funnier things have happened though..... :shh
You know, your not an expert when it comes to “not listening”.
Your last response to my post completely avoided the principle of what I was posting....
Your last post was about Cotchin and his hamstring which has nothing to do with a knee reconstruction. One is a muscle that tears and one is a tendon that is removed from its origin and is screwed into place. The former has usually a recovery period of weeks, the latter of many months. Scans are also effective in seeing the healing process in the former but are not good for the latter.
So I’m not sure what principle you were using here.
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People heal at different rates so using a “blanket” time frame for all knee recos is stupid IMO.
And like the “Good Doctor” says there is no real way of seeing if the knee has healed to the point of the surgeon being confident, other than just the obituary usual time frame.
So to me that says the surgeon is basically guessing too.
Take a look at Dale Morris, I’m sure he would have got the all clear from the docs, so they aren’t always right. And that means right both ways.
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This is Alex frkn Rance we are talking about.
If he is cleared by his surgeon and our team doctor then he comes straight in.
If he reinjuries his knee than that’s very unlucky but the same thing could happen if they decide to hold him back until next year.
I mean did you see the way he did it in the first place? There wasn’t any contact, it didn’t even look like he landed any differently to every other contest he’s ever been in. It was just like many other injuries a freak accident.
You’re not listening. I am saying I doubt Julian will say he’s good to go. In fact I’d be very surprised. Funnier things have happened though..... :shh
You know, your not an expert when it comes to “not listening”.
Your last response to my post completely avoided the principle of what I was posting....
Your last post was about Cotchin and his hamstring which has nothing to do with a knee reconstruction. One is a muscle that tears and one is a tendon that is removed from its origin and is screwed into place. The former has usually a recovery period of weeks, the latter of many months. Scans are also effective in seeing the healing process in the former but are not good for the latter.
So I’m not sure what principle you were using here.
Your response completely sums up my point!
All good, it’s no big deal. If you read my original post, we basically agree
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I look at what happened to dale Morris and I am thinking oh poo. But I believe Alex is a team player and you can see that he has been really trying to help out out back 6 so then if Alex Rance demands to play finals I would let him cross the white line
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The side as it currently stands - without Rance - is now being installed as premiership favourites.
How about we win this year without Rance and then get him back for 2020 and he leads us to back to back?
Waiting will get Rance cherryripe and he will be like a new recruit
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The side as it currently stands - without Rance - is now being installed as premiership favourites.
How about we win this year without Rance and then get him back for 2020 and he leads us to back to back?
Waiting will get Rance cherryripe and he will be like a new recruit
I don’t think we will the flag this year
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The side as it currently stands - without Rance - is now being installed as premiership favourites.
How about we win this year without Rance and then get him back for 2020 and he leads us to back to back?
Waiting will get Rance cherryripe and he will be like a new recruit
I don’t think we will the flag this year
Did you think we would win it at the same time in 2017?
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The side as it currently stands - without Rance - is now being installed as premiership favourites.
How about we win this year without Rance and then get him back for 2020 and he leads us to back to back?
Waiting will get Rance cherryripe and he will be like a new recruit
I don’t think we will the flag this year
Did you think we would win it at the same time in 2017?
I didn’t think I would see another flag in my life time
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The side as it currently stands - without Rance - is now being installed as premiership favourites.
How about we win this year without Rance and then get him back for 2020 and he leads us to back to back?
Waiting will get Rance cherryripe and he will be like a new recruit
I don’t think we will the flag this year
Did you think we would win it at the same time in 2017?
I didn’t think I would see another flag in my life time
Same here
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I didn’t think I would see another flag in my life time
Same Chuck, same
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The side as it currently stands - without Rance - is now being installed as premiership favourites.
How about we win this year without Rance and then get him back for 2020 and he leads us to back to back?
Waiting will get Rance cherryripe and he will be like a new recruit
I don’t think we will the flag this year
Did you think we would win it at the same time in 2017?
Nope :lol
But this time I’m right ;D
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BARRETT: The lesson Rance must learn from Dog's disaster
AFL.com.au
Damian Barrett
Jul 30, 2019
DALE Morris's return to football on Sunday was a story of many layers.
It had chapters on mindpower, medical defiance and one of potential sporting fairytale as the 36-year-old, one of the top shelf AFL good guys, found himself back at the highest level after damaging an ACL in the pre-season.
But the storyline with which it ended on Sunday at Marvel Stadium against Fremantle was a career-ending one for Morris as well as a cautionary one – for Richmond's Alex Rance who, like Morris, has spent the past four months immersed in the most unlikely of comebacks from a torn ACL.
Rance broke down in round one this year, but immediately set himself the Morris-type impossible 2019 season return.
The stakes are actually higher for Rance, the All Australian full-back for the past five seasons. Rance is seven years younger than Morris. Breaking down with an ACL twice in the same season would be even more catastrophic for him.
The fairytale musings of Richmond's champion defender bursting back into the team for a preliminary final and then Grand Final have never married up with the reality. Morris is proof.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-28/barrett-the-lesson-rance-must-learn-from-dogs-disaster
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Rance awaits D-Day on finals dream
Tim Michell,
Herald Sun
August 1, 2019
Next Friday is D-Day for Alex Rance’s hopes of playing a part in premiership favourite Richmond’s flag tilt.
The five-time all-Australian will meet with surgeon Julian Feller next week to decide whether he is ready to return from the ACL injury he sustained in Round 1 against Carlton.
“That will be pretty much the line where we all meet up and say, ‘what’s the plan of attacking going to be? Are we really going to have a lash at this finals series?’,” Rance said on Triple M.
The key defender said he was optimistic, although the Tigers are likely to take the decision out of his hands due to his desperation to return.
“I am ever the optimist and potentially a little bit reckless,” he said.
“It probably goes with the way I play and all that kind of stuff.
“I’ll be heavily pushing to play. But I have got to think about the club holistically.
“If it happens again, what will that do not only to myself but the club and my mates? That is one thing I will have to wrap my head around but I will make that call next week.”
The 29-year-old said the knee injury suffered by Western Bulldogs veteran Dale Morris on Sunday could prompt a more cautious approach with his return.
“I think a lot of medicos probably would have thought, well that is the consistent overall theory, that you are probably going to rupture it if you come back early,” he said.
“It wasn’t good to hear and it certainly hasn’t done my chances in the medical side of things in coming back any favours.”
Rance has made significant process in his recovery, although Richmond will be loathe to risk him when Dylan Grimes, David Astbury and Nick Vlastuin have formed a steely defensive trio in his absence.
The Tigers have conceded an average of 79 points per game without Rance, ranked 11th.
“I am pretty much at top speed now in straight lines,” Rance said.
“But obviously that isn’t what’s going to trouble your ACL. I feel really fit and strong.
“But you never know what’s going to happen when you go out on the field.”
The Tigers have stormed into the top four and were backed into flag favouritism after their convincing Round 19 victory over Collingwood.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/star-richmond-defender-alex-rance-to-learn-whether-season-over-due-to-knee-injury-next-week/news-story/e6e43678b2ba71e529821b8c40290d40
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"One hundred per cent yes": Riewoldt adamant Rance should play if right
By Trent Masenhelder
SEN
1 Aug 2019
Leading football analyst Nick Riewoldt believes Richmond's star full-back Alex Rance should roll the dice.
The five-time All Australian's season appeared to be over when he ruptured his ACL during the Tigers' Round 1 win over Carlton, but having worked feverishly on his rehabilitation, Rance has made incredible progress in the four months since undergoing surgery.
Riewoldt is adamant Richmond and Rance should make hay while the sun shines if he is (fit to play).
"One hundred per cent yes (he should play)," former St Kilda captain Riewoldt told Fox Footy.
"Yeah, he should, you might never get back there again.
"If they green light him next week, which is, we're led to believe, the D-Day with the doctors, well, then absolutely he should try and get back.
"Maybe this is because I didn’t get to win one (a premiership), but I just think a little bit differently … he might not ever get a chance to be a two-time premiership player.
"If he can, he definitely should, one hundred per cent."
Western Bulldogs legend Bob Murphy, who tore his ACL twice during his glittering career, disagreed with Riewoldt, saying Rance and Richmond should play the long game.
"I've got have a bit of a different view. Richmond will be around the mark next year again," Murphy said.
Rance earlier this week admitted that seeing Bulldogs veteran Dale Morris re-do his knee in his first senior match since rupturing his ACL anterior cruciate in the pre-season "pricked the back of my mind".
"Not only because I know a lot of the boys at the kennel and know that he's such a great fella and know that he would've done everything possible to do it," Rance told Triple M.
"You compare that with Tyson Goldsack, who did get back, and that's what really you’ve got to weigh up.
"I think a lot of medicos thought that is the consistent overall theory, that you are going to rupture it if you come back early."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/07/31/one-hundred-per-cent-yes-riewoldt-adamant-rance-should-play-if-right/
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Tony Sheahan
Fresh fears for @Richmond_FC star Alex Rance as he considers walking away from the game at Season’s end.
Rance confided to teammates he wants to travel the world with wife in 2020.
Tigers panicking. In better news, he’s pencilled in the club’s last H&A match for 4comeback game
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Tony Sheahan
Fresh fears for @Richmond_FC star Alex Rance as he considers walking away from the game at Season’s end.
Rance confided to teammates he wants to travel the world with wife in 2020.
Tigers panicking. In better news, he’s pencilled in the club’s last H&A match for 4comeback game
Is that for real??
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The club will hear from the medical team next Friday if All-Australian captain Alex Rance can somehow make a stunning return to the seniors this season.
Although the Tigers would “love to have” him back and playing, Hardwick said, Rance’s career and long-term health were paramount.
The Age (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/cotchin-out-for-another-fortnight-nankervis-shaping-for-afl-return-next-week-20190801-p52cuw.html)
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Tony Sheahan
Fresh fears for @Richmond_FC star Alex Rance as he considers walking away from the game at Season’s end.
Rance confided to teammates he wants to travel the world with wife in 2020.
Tigers panicking. In better news, he’s pencilled in the club’s last H&A match for 4comeback game
Is that for real??
Tony Sheehan reminds me a lot of that guy Homer follows for advice on NFL games on the Simpsons.
“Well folks....when you’re right 52% of the time - you’re wrong 48% of the time”
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Tony Sheahan
Fresh fears for @Richmond_FC star Alex Rance as he considers walking away from the game at Season’s end.
Rance confided to teammates he wants to travel the world with wife in 2020.
Tigers panicking. In better news, he’s pencilled in the club’s last H&A match for 4comeback game
Is that for real??
Considering the source.I highly doubt it....,,but would it really be as devasting now as it would've been a year ago? Proved we can manage without him...not to mention what we could do with the extra cap space.....:shh
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Tony Sheahan
Fresh fears for @Richmond_FC star Alex Rance as he considers walking away from the game at Season’s end.
Rance confided to teammates he wants to travel the world with wife in 2020.
Tigers panicking. In better news, he’s pencilled in the club’s last H&A match for 4comeback game
Is that for real??
No
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Tony Sheahan
Fresh fears for @Richmond_FC star Alex Rance as he considers walking away from the game at Season’s end.
Rance confided to teammates he wants to travel the world with wife in 2020.
Tigers panicking. In better news, he’s pencilled in the club’s last H&A match for 4comeback game
Is that for real??
The tweet is real, doubt it's true though
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Good ole Tony, son of Mike, brother of Kate
Pretty average journo, why? Because he gets more wrong than he gets right
Even his Dad gives him the odd whack on Twitter :lol
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I honestly think Jackstar told him this
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I honestly think Jackstar told him this
Other way around me thinks :shh
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He's contracted isn't he? He will play full stop. Rance wants to do X, Y and Z but he knows his career will end long before he is too old to do that.
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The same bloke who once said Dusty could end up a Swan and we'd get Tippett in return :lol.
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Rance, who suffered an ACL injury in Round 1, completed some running drills at training on Thursday and will meet his surgeon next Friday to discuss whether he could return to the Richmond defence this year.
“He’s running, he’s looking very active,” Hardwick said.
“He’s got a couple of things tick off before we get to that stage (playing again this year).
“We haven’t opened that door but we certainly haven’t closed it, either.”
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/0f196109d8e866af2bef00317b23dc0d?width=1024)
Alex Rance runs laps at Punt Rd.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-dylan-grimes-a-nobrainer-for-allaustralian-side-says-coach-damien-hardwick/news-story/6de511fb78000c506be6ac99f2f5d84e
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Good ole Tony, son of Mike, brother of Kate
Pretty average journo, why? Because he gets more wrong than he gets right
Even his Dad gives him the odd whack on Twitter :lol
Believe what you like
Who really cares
What you can’t stop is players talking to their mates who work in the media
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Good ole Tony, son of Mike, brother of Kate
Pretty average journo, why? Because he gets more wrong than he gets right
Even his Dad gives him the odd whack on Twitter :lol
Believe what you like
Who really cares
What you can’t stop is players talking to their mates who work in the media
My issue with good ole Tony is around the reason he got the flick from Ch7. What he did was abhorent
Now you are implying that he has supposedly gone public with something a mate told him. A decent mate wouldn't try and score media points by blabbing details of private conversation
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Good ole Tony, son of Mike, brother of Kate
Pretty average journo, why? Because he gets more wrong than he gets right
Even his Dad gives him the odd whack on Twitter :lol
Believe what you like
Who really cares
What you can’t stop is players talking to their mates who work in the media
My issue with good ole Tony is around the reason he got the flick from Ch7. What he did was abhorent
Now you are implying that he has supposedly gone public with something a mate told him. A decent mate wouldn't try and score media points by blabbing details of private conversation
What did TSheehan do at channel 7?
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Alex Rance looms as wildcard for Richmond’s flag push
Justin Chadwick
AAP
Sunday, 4 August 2019 2:10PM
Star Richmond defender Alex Rance is growing in confidence he can return to AFL action this year, according to his teammate Bachar Houli.
Rance ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in round one but he hasn’t given up hope of returning during the finals.
Any return this year would come with significant risks and Richmond will probably err on the side of caution when decision day comes.
But Rance is doing everything within his powers to give himself a chance, and Houli has been amazed by the 29-year-old’s progress.
“He’s a very confident person that he will return,” Houli told Channel Seven’s Game Day.
“The way he runs, it actually doesn’t look like he’s done any sort of damage. His recovery is A1.
“I see him in the cold plunge pool which I struggle to get in, sitting there for 10, 15 minutes.
“When you see that attitude and determination, he’s giving himself every opportunity to come back.
“I’d love to see him back. He just adds so much to our football club.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/richmond-tigers/alex-rance-looms-as-wildcard-for-richmonds-flag-push-ng-b881281184z
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BARRETT: In Rance's mind, it's full speed ahead for finals
AFL.com.au
Damian Barrett
Aug 5, 2019
IN ALEX Rance's mind, he's returning to football this season.
If he receives ultra-positive news out of a meeting with his surgeon late this week, he might even push for a comeback via the VFL next weekend.
Richmond officials continue to talk conservatively about the chances of their five-time All Australian making the most incredible of returns, but they also know they are dealing with one of the most determined men to ever play the game.
Rance ruptured his ACL in round one this season. A fortnight ago, he hit his own top speed when running in a straight line, and it is believed his knee has more than coped with simple sideways-movement drills.
Rance's teammates are aware that he intends to go all-out in his bid to return for the finals. Some have seen enough of the desire in his eyes to be convinced he won’t be able to be stopped.
The Tigers won their sixth straight match on Saturday night, toying with Melbourne after half-time on Saturday night.
Their three remaining matches are at the MCG – against Carlton, West Coast and Brisbane.
Rance's comeback plans are high stakes for Richmond, as it already has a big decision to make on the return timeframe for captain Trent Cotchin.
Cotchin has missed nine matches this year with hamstring problems. Ideally, he plays before the side's first final, but a round 23 return would be cutting things fine given his problems this year.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-04/barrett-in-rances-mind-its-full-speed-ahead-for-finals
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Can someone confirm ...
Rance is on the Long Term Injury List?
Which means since he was official on it, he can’t play until after the Home and Away season?
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Can someone confirm ...
Rance is on the Long Term Injury List?
Which means since he was official on it, he can’t play until after the Home and Away season?
Think it’s 8 weeks but he’s have to replace Mabs
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Can someone confirm ...
Rance is on the Long Term Injury List?
Which means since he was official on it, he can’t play until after the Home and Away season?
I believe Egg will go back to rookie after this week
With Alex being added back
Suggest he might play the following week 😉
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Ch 7 news just reported that Rance has told his teammates that he won't be returning this season.
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Well duh.... :shh
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As soon as Jackster posted he was coming back I knew he was no chance
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As I have stated, there was very little chance that Julian would give him the OK..... :shh
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As soon as Jackster posted he was coming back I knew he was no chance
Jinxstar.... :shh
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Common sense (sanity) has prevailed.
Risks just far too great around the graft.
As I have stated, there was very little chance that Julian would give him the OK..... :shh
That's why he is best in the business :thumbsup
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As soon as Jackster posted he was coming back I knew he was no chance
:rollin
:lol :rollin
Didn’t see the surgeon and pulled the pin after training today with Cotch and Stacky
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As soon as Jackster posted he was coming back I knew he was no chance
:rollin
:lol :rollin
Didn’t see the surgeon and pulled the pin after training today with Cotch and Stacky
Why don't you read the article where he says he made his decision "in consultation with the medical staff". Of course the medical staff would have been communicating with the surgeon all throughout his rehabilitation....... :shh
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Well he told 200 people at the Comedy Day he was desperate to play on Sunday as was 95%
Don’t let facts get in the way hey
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Well he told 200 people at the Comedy Day he was desperate to play on Sunday as was 95%
Don’t let facts get in the way hey
Which proves my point. He got told that his graft was not ready by the surgeon via the club doctors or directly. Why else would he be desperate to play then nekminut he says he won’t be playing? They are the facts you are ignoring....
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VIDEO: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2019-08-07/no-return-for-rance-in-2019
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In a video on the club website, Rance said he couldn't take the risk of re-injury, especially at such an important time of the season.
"My leg strength is really good and it's stronger than it was before. The range I have in my knee is probably 95 per cent and really, really close to being at full extension," Rance said.
"The speed and endurance work I've been doing, I feel comfortable with that I could play, and the weave and change of direction is something I need to work on a little bit, if I was to play.
"The thing that I couldn't control – and no one really can – is the graft itself, and how well that knits within my knee. So that's one thing that's a real unknown and something the club and I had to think good and hard about whether we were going to take that risk or not.
"Some things that I wasn't willing to risk was the game-day emotional toll that a re-injury could have taken, and also the rotation. If I came back in a final and ruptured my knee, and that cost us the game, then I'd never be able to forgive myself."
Rance said he would take a week's break from the club to reset.
"I'll come back and be the very best leader that I can possibly be," he said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-07/season-officially-over-tiger-abandons-bid-for-september-action
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Well he told 200 people at the Comedy Day he was desperate to play on Sunday as was 95%
Don’t let facts get in the way hey
Which proves my point. He got told that his graft was not ready by the surgeon via the club doctors or directly. Why else would he be desperate to play then nekminut he says he won’t be playing? They are the facts you are ignoring....
I actually couldn’t care less
It’s you that’s frothing over it
It is what it is
Move on
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Well he told 200 people at the Comedy Day he was desperate to play on Sunday as was 95%
Don’t let facts get in the way hey
Which proves my point. He got told that his graft was not ready by the surgeon via the club doctors or directly. Why else would he be desperate to play then nekminut he says he won’t be playing? They are the facts you are ignoring....
I actually couldn’t care less
It’s you that’s frothing over it
It is what it is
Move on
No need to be rude. I’m not frothing. Just posting in complete calmness. If you're anxious about it, no need to project it on me. Just chill.
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“Really emotional”: Rance's “unselfish” act draws praise
By SEN
8 August 2019
Richmond defender Dylan Grimes has heaped praise on the “unselfish” Alex Rance after he informed teammates of his decision to abort plans of a comeback this season.
Rance suffered a torn ACL in the Round 1 win over Carlton and had been working towards a potential return in time for the club’s finals campaign.
The fourth-placed Tigers are expected to go deep into September with some tipping them to play off in this year’s Grand Final.
Grimes says the entire club were willing the five-time All-Australian on during his rehabilitation.
“It was a really emotional time for everyone,” Grimes told SEN’s Bob and Andy.
“We all wanted to see him back playing and he made the really unselfish call to put the club first.
“It sounds like a strange thing when it’s a personal injury, but when the entire club was behind him and rallying throughout his entire rehab process over the last six months, it was a really tough call to make.
“Rancey unselfishly decided with the medical staff not to put things at risk or the chance that it could be early in a final or in a critical moment.”
Rance, 29, will continue his recovery in order to hit the ground running for the 2020 pre-season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/08/07/really-emotional-rances-unselfish-act-draws-praise/
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As soon as Jackster posted he was coming back I knew he was no chance
:rollin
:lol :rollin
Didn’t see the surgeon and pulled the pin after training today with Cotch and Stacky
Sorry Jack you are making assumptions to suit your argument
You don't know what went on behind closed doors and within the club's 4 walls.
Well he told 200 people at the Comedy Day he was desperate to play on Sunday as was 95%
Don’t let facts get in the way hey
Which proves my point. He got told that his graft was not ready by the surgeon via the club doctors or directly. Why else would he be desperate to play then nekminut he says he won’t be playing? They are the facts you are ignoring....
Correct YBB
If anyone thinks the surgeon hasn't had any input to discussions is being foolish
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Club decision , has nothing to do with my opinion at all
You can all believe what you like it’s a free world
Club butchered last years finals series and back of year by playing unfit players
It would be an injustice if we only win 1 flag in this period
For those who attended the Comedy day on Sunday, Alex was extremely clear with his intention
Unless he tells blatant lies
Leave it at that
Let’s hope we win the Flag in 2019
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As soon as Jackster posted he was coming back I knew he was no chance
:rollin
:lol :rollin
Didn’t see the surgeon and pulled the pin after training today with Cotch and
Sorry Jack you are making assumptions to suit your argument
You don't know what went on behind closed doors and within the club's 4 walls.
Well he told 200 people at the Comedy Day he was desperate to play on Sunday as was 95%
Don’t let facts get in the way hey
Which proves my point. He got told that his graft was not ready by the surgeon via the club doctors or directly. Why else would he be desperate to play then nekminut he says he won’t be playing? They are the facts you are ignoring....
Correct YBB
If anyone thinks the surgeon hasn't had any input to discussions is being foolish
Interesting with the personal attacks WP . I am a fool am I 🤔🤔🤦♂️😂
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Interesting with the personal attacks WP . I am a fool am I 🤔🤔🤦♂️😂
Dear me Jack, a personal attack?
Did I call you a fool?
No I didn't and to suggest or imply I did is not true
Read what I wrote, don't twist it to suit your purpose just read it!
I said "If anyone thinks the surgeon hasn't had any input to discussions is being foolish"
Suggesting people are foolish is not calling them a fool.
Would you have preferred me use the word unwise or perhaps reckless or better yet naive?
No personal attack at all >:(
Club decision , has nothing to do with my opinion at all
You can all believe what you like it’s a free world
Club butchered last years finals series and back of year by playing unfit players
It would be an injustice if we only win 1 flag in this period
For those who attended the Comedy day on Sunday, Alex was extremely clear with his intention
Unless he tells blatant lies
Leave it at that
Let’s hope we win the Flag in 2019
Why is it so hard for you to even acknowledge that it is highly likely (I'd go as far as to guarantee it) that the surgeon has had input on this decision through discussion with the Club? Seriously why?
You are entitled to an opinion but don't sprout it as being gospel and then get agitated when people call you out or challenge you on it. Opinion isn't fact it is just that an opinion
I have no doubt on Sunday Alex was striving to come back and believed he could.
A decision was made on Wednesday. 3 days later.
There is no lying here by anyone, just hard and tough conversations by all parties (including the surgeon) to come to a bloody hard decision but one that is ultimately for both player & club the right one
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One player who won’t be returning this season is champion defender Alex Rance who this week pulled the pin on his ambitious bid to return to the footy field within just six months of undergoing a knee reconstruction.
Hardwick admitted he was relieved that the 29-year-old would not be risked and will now enjoy an orthodox recovery period for his ruptured ACL.
“He’s a five-time All-Australian, All-Australian captain, best-and-fairest winner, he’s just one of the best players I’ve ever seen play,” Hardwick said.
“He was prepared to run the gauntlet for the benefit of the side but the reality was it was, if we look at it from a medical perspective, it was always going to be tough to play.”
Source: News Corp. (https://www.watoday.com.au/sport/afl/cotchin-good-to-go-for-next-week-s-west-coast-blockbuster-20190809-p52fit.html)
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Anyone else looking forward to seeing this star again in 2020?
Out and out champion.
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Teammates laud Rance after ‘bittersweet’ flag
Jon Ralph and Chris Cavanagh
Herald Sun
September 30, 2019
Alex Rance says he made the right decision not to test his surgically repaired knee this year but admits he took time to come to grips with the club’s premiership.
The five-time All Australian told the Herald Sun on Sunday he believed the decision showed he could put the club’s best interest ahead of his own.
But Rance conceded until star forward Tom Lynch dragged him into the club’s premiership celebrations post-match those emotions were bittersweet.
He shared an emotional discussion with injured Grand Final stars Stephen Coniglio, Callan Ward and Jack Graham pre-match, aware everyone wanted to be out on the field.
“It was hard for me yesterday. I was thinking about it this morning, I didn’t know where I sat.
“Am I player or staff or supporter? Where do I fit in the scheme of things, and it’s why I felt part of the VFL program because I was there as a coach.
“It takes time and it took people drawing me in and telling me where I fit. For Lynch in his first year, I was pretty emotional and standing with Jack Graham and he’s like, get in here, get in here. You do belong here, this is your place.”
Fellow backman Dylan Grimes paid tribute to Rance’s selflessness, declaring him “the best key defender in the modern era”.
“He’s heartbroken that the injury has hurt him this year and he wasn’t able to get out as much as he would have liked to or we would have liked him to,” Grimes said.
“But he’s just such a consistent figure among the playing group for so long now. It’s really been amazing to see someone put the club first in that that scenario where they probably had the right to think ‘Poor Me’.
“But Rancey’s gone outside himself the whole year and for my development it’s been the best thing possible.
“To play with the player and learn so much from him on-field but then off-field to have him this year while he’s been injured but in my corner as a mentor has been phenomenal for my development.
“He’s just a superstar and I think people forget pretty quickly how amazing a player he is.
“I think he’s without doubt the best key defender in the modern era.”
Rance had made dramatic progress in his return from a Round 1 ACL reconstruction but in the end he and the club decided to pull the pin on his comeback.
He said he was adamant he had made the correct call despite those swirling emotions.
“Yes Part of me is (thinking) we could have played with 18 men because it was a bit of a whitewash but I did make the right decision culturally,” he said.
“Culturally I made the right decision because whenever you say I am putting you over me (it’s the right call).
“I think I made the right decision in that as a leader. That’s the hard part. I had my surgeon who had done Tyson Goldsack’s knee and he said I can’t definitively tell you that you will bust it again because who would have thought you would do it in the first place?
“But I had to think about the reputations of our doctors and it’s more than just my knee, I want to do whatever I want with it. I had some strong conversations with Dimma and our doctor Reg (Greg Hickey) and we came to the general consensus.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/injured-star-alex-rance-concedes-he-had-mixed-feelings-after-richmonds-grand-final-demolition/news-story/1a4a59eb9decbdab163c428b2db855c0
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Rance will get his 2nd premiership medallion next year.
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He'll be just like a new recruit! :lol
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What's next for the best team in the league?
Oh you know, just the return of the best defender in the league...plus a couple of rising star nominees etc!
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Which returning star will have the biggest impact on their club's 2020 success?
By SEN
6 Nov 2019
Three All-Australians and stars of the game sat out the 2019 season – Richmond’s Alex Rance, Hawthorn’s Tom Mitchell and Carlton’s Sam Docherty.
With all three expected to return to their best in 2020, which one will have the greatest impact on the performances of their respective sides?
Despite Richmond winning the premiership without the key defender, Garry Lyon believes Rance will still add another dimension for them.
“Of course you can make Richmond better,” he told SEN Breakfast.
“I’m going with Rance.
“I’m not as confident with Docherty coming back and having the same influence as Rance will have.
“I just haven’t seen Docherty play in two years, so front of mind for me is Rance.”
Lyon also believes Mitchell will have no issues hitting the ground running.
“Tom Mitchell will come back and start getting 35 disposals from the word go.”
Tim Watson however believes the Blues getting their skipper back will provide the biggest boost.
“They are desperately missing Docherty. He is an outstanding player. I’m going with him,” Watson said.
Docherty and Rance are attempting to return from torn ACL’s suffered in December and March respectively, while Mitchell broke his leg in January.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/11/05/which-returning-star-will-have-the-biggest-impact-on-their-clubs-2020/
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Balme said defender Alex Rance, who recently had minor surgery on the knee that ended his 2019 season with an ACL tear in round one, was expected to also feature heavily in 2020.
"He had a huge impact around the place even though he didn't play at all last year – the way he helps his teammates and the way he encourages them," Balme said.
"He's an outstanding member of the mob so hopefully he'll be able to play all the games this year – it'll be very exciting to see him."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-25/tigers-confident-recovering-young-gun-will-feature-heavily-in-2020)
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"We always have to hold back 'Rancey'. I know there's been some of the commentary around the draft's been had and we get a new draft pick in Alex Rance this year, which is really exciting for our footy club," Cotchin said.
"His mountain of work he did, not just on the field, but particularly with our VFL side [in 2019], that's going to be amazing for us and his development this season. He's as fit as ever, I think he had a little tidy up [operation], but he's ready to go."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-12-02/premiers-begin-title-defence-dusty-finally-picks-up-his-car
Rance trained with the main group today :thumbsup.
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Ch 9 news said Rance will join in full football training drills before Christmas with round 1 the goal.
Go to 1:40 min mark: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1201409596679606273
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/12/12/the-10-afl-injuries-that-shaped-the-decade/
Rance doing his ACL in Round 1 didn't make the cut as far as the top 10 injury stories of the decade :huh3.
I would've thought the "will he or won't he" media talk regarding Rance trying to get back before the end of the season before making the unselfish call to not risk it, and us ultimately defying the prophets of dome when he went down to win the flag was a massive story :huh.
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NicNat in 2016, Ablett 2014 and possibly Barlow in 2010 the only injuries that that you could argue cost their sides greater success and 2018 kind of disproved the NicNat effect.....Collingwood were shyte & Swan was cooked, likewise Carlton & Judd...St.Kilda needed a lot more than just McCartin, who wasn't that good anyway-probably up there with Watts & Lounder as Pick 1 busts, Dogs won the flag without Murphy...Geelong won in 2011 without Menzl who was hardly a key player for them anyway.. .so in summary another stupid & pointless article from the useless football media.. :shh
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Champion defender Alex Rance is edging closer to full training after an arthroscope on his reconstructed knee.
"He's been building now for 12 months for the season to start, so I think he's going to be in terrific condition. Seeing him move around the track, he's moving better than he was before the knee, it seems to me," Grimes said.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/321081/livewire-tiger-flying-star-moving-better-than-he-was-before-the-knee-)
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More from Grimesy about Rance:
Dylan Grimes says returning backman Alex Rance is the one leading the team’s barrelling sleigh into 2020.
Rance, who missed the entire 2019 season – including the team’s premiership glory – after a knee reconstruction, appears in better condition than he was before the devastating injury, Grimes said, and has the entire club in tow behind him.
“He’s such a great leader for us and has been such a good player for such a long time,” Grimes said.
“He was really unlucky not to play in the later stages of this year. He’s been building now for 12 months for the season to start, so I think he’s going to be in terrific condition.
“Seeing him move around the track, he’s honestly moving better than he was before the knee, it looks like. So I think the whole club is really behind him at the moment.
“Riding that emotional wave of seeing a player work so hard to get back on track and to get those rewards, hopefully, on field next year would be absolutely terrific.”
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/839b05e40fe0848ec6f1f2f5b9fa0b3e?width=1024)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-afl-and-aflw-players-hit-the-training-track-for-a-joint-session-before-christmas/news-story/84a03c683dfb6d09c2295709aae847c2
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Apparently he is going to retire today
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Apparently he is going to retire today
Just announced on the RFC website :gobdrop
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Whenever the JW have there convention this becomes an issue. Unfortunately this time it seems its real. Thank you to a champion and all time Great of our club. Gutted that he wont be playing in 2020.
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What the absolute F :(
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Merry F$&king Christmas!
Devastated!
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Nooooooooioii
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Bugger now need to find a replacement fullback for the VFL side :snidegrin
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It's Garthwaite time.
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/550354/rance-retires-to-focus-on-family-and-faith
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Thanks Rancey
Love having been able to watch you evolve yo become the champion that you are. Thank you :gotigers
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I don’t think Grimeys got the memo!
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Struggling to come to terms with this. Feels like an end of an era.
Bloody hell....
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It's Garthwaite time.
Garthwaires Not up to it imo. Noah Balta is our best hope. Has the rin and the drive to play a similar role.
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Either someone got in his ear overnight or Grimes didn't want to break the news for Rance...
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It's Garthwaite time.
Garthwaires Not up to it imo. Noah Balta is our best hope. Has the rin and the drive to play a similar role.
At least we have a few months now to get him ready. Solves the 'where to play balta' question...
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Great timing. With some $$ free during trade week I'm sure there would have been a quality KPD willing to come here.
Still, one of the best footballers to have ever thrown a pair of boots on. Thanks for all you did.
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Will be a shame to NEVER SEE HIM ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD AGAIN. That's really sad for us but good for him. Will be interesting to see what he does with his freedom.
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The club will go on. Balta will be ok in this role. Not Rance but im sure Leppa and the Coaches will ramp up his development now. It could be exciting times with Balta Coleman Jones and others getting chances. We will win the flag in 2020. Im still confident.
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It's Garthwaite time.
Garthwaires Not up to it imo. Noah Balta is our best hope. Has the rin and the drive to play a similar role.
Hopefully if Garthwaite gets his chance, he's eased in as a 4th tall, and not required to play on the number 1 forward like he did this year.
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This is so devastating .
That's religion for you. Especially something that resembles a cult like the JW.
You're retired such a long time and Alex had some great footy ahead of him.
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There’s a handful of players whose contribution pre and post our flag will leave a legacy which will outlast my time on this planet and Rance is one of those players.
A Tiger legend.
#leaveoutyourbibles
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"I am someone who will always give their best to what they commit to, and I’m proud of the time, energy and dedication that I’ve put towards my football career," Rance said.
"Right now, I feel I have served my purpose in terms of my on-field performance and cultural impact, and I’m so grateful to the football club for their support and care in allowing me to do that in my own unique way.
Now I feel is the right time for me to put the same time and energy into other areas of my life that need it, and to prioritise the more important things to me, such as my spiritual growth, my family and friends.
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"Alex, his manager and the club have been in regular communication about Alex’s future, and while we will miss him dearly at our football club, we understand and respect his need to step away from football to focus on his personal life," Richmond CEO Brendon Gale said.
"He leaves this club a highly decorated premiership player and it has been a privilege for all us to watch him play. He is clearly one of the greatest players to have pulled on the Richmond jumper.
"Alex has been the ultimate competitor, an incredible character of the club, and a fine example of a 'Richmond Man'.
"Although he’s stepping away from playing football, he’ll always be part of Richmond and we wish him and his family all the best for the future."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/364548/star-tiger-shocks-footy-world-with-sudden-retirement
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Rance reflects with Richo.
VIDEO: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/550494/rance-reflects-with-richo
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No matter how it's sugar coated it sucks
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Wallace believes Rance should go down as the best defender of the decade.
“He’s certainly got to be in the calculations (as the defender of the decade),” he said.
“There’s been some great defenders. The ones that standout to me are the ones that are offensively minded as well as being able to do a job.
“To me he is as good in that area of just being able to read the play and back himself in as nearly anyone I have seen.
“I’m a huge Matthew Scarlett fan and he’s the other one who really stands out for me, but I think Rance is the equal to anyone now.
“Alex Rance at his best, he was the All-Australian captain as a defender so I think (he was the defender of the decade).”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/12/19/the-silver-lining-of-rance-retirement-for-richmond-fans/
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He's staying on the list.... :shh
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Benny Gale media interview just now:
* Rance had been in discussions with Blair Hartley over the last couple of days.
* Gale spoke to Rance last night.
* From selfish point of view the initial reaction was one of disappointment. That you were no longer going to see him ever play again. But it wasn't a surprise. Aware this issue had been on his mind for quite a long time.
* One of the journos asked about Rance having a gap year? Gale said he's retired and we need to move on.
* Gale on Rance: He's mad. He flips personalities. I don't understand him but he lifts the place. He brings energy. He's going to be hard to replace. He is also a 150% guy. He needs to be all-in (to be committed).
* Rance is one of the finest to play at our club. His assertiveness and confidence. Where he sits I don't know and others are better to judge but he will go down as one of the best defenders.
* Too early to discuss regarding bringing in another player via the supplementary period. There are better people than me (Gale) to make that decision.
* Best Rance game?
Round 23, 2014. We needed to win that game to make it the first time Richmond made back-to-back finals appearances since 1975. Rance single-handedly won us that game or rather single-handedly stopped Sydney from winning it.
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Cotch interview with the media:
* It was a surprise.
* Mood in the rooms? Rance brought his usual humour. Had his nephew with him. He said he was proud of the culture we have created. Sad he won't be there for those day to day things but we'll always be there for him.
* You need to be at your best to bring your best - physically, emotionally, mentally and also spiritually. He needed to come to his own decision to become fulfilled.
* Incredible person. He doesn't like to confide with others how is thinking. It's obvious he has been weighing this up.
* We got drafted together. He's done everything you can do in the game. He always gives his best and puts his energy into helping others.
* There's a hole there like last year when he went down with the knee. A chance for others to flourish.
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The reasons behind Rance's early retirement
Peter Ryan
The Age
19 December 2019
Alex Rance's retirement came as a shock to most.
On Tuesday, one of his defensive sidekicks Dylan Grimes told reporters that the champion 30-year-old appeared stronger and fitter than he had been before he injured his knee in his 200th game.
But by Thursday, those close to the Tiger star were getting their heads around the finality of his decision rather than the fact he had made the call with two years remaining on a contract and was just months away from what promised to be an exciting return to play.
Immediately after the post-season break, the Tigers sensed Rance had returned with real purpose to attack 2020, his pleasure in his teammates' premiership success at the end of Richmond's triumphant 2019 one of the lasting memories of the season.
However in recent weeks, after the national draft and trade period, the club became aware that the questions Rance's always active mind posed about how he wanted to devote his time were getting louder.
His family, his faith, his work with the academy he began in 2016 were all drawing him closer, with football struggling to fulfil the often complex soul that is Rance.
The club worked with him, supported him, respected him and eventually accepted the decision he arrived at to leave behind the game he mastered after 12 years as a Tiger.
He will work on his school, The Academy, which offers a footy-focused schooling program, and spend time with his family and his community, but much of his future remains unplanned with his settlement with the club still to be worked through.
There is nothing sinister behind his departure. He was flying on the track and his mind was only filled with the emotion that comes when a person is faced with a life decision that requires them to head down a track few expect.
Rance is a thinker, a questioner, in some ways an idealist, and a person who always wants the best for others as evidenced by his work to develop a school he believed would better suit the needs of teenagers than other options.
The themes that shone through in his children's books Tiger's Roar and Rabbit's Hop were positive with the blurb for Rabbit's Hop giving, funnily enough, as good an insight as any into Rance and the logic behind his decision.
Jack Rabbit loved Rabbit Island. He loved his friends and family and all the little rabbits. He loved being the best at hopping and chomping and (nearly the best) at zigzagging.
But Jack Rabbit was restless.
A childlike sense of humour often emerged from that restlessness when Rance was on display, unafraid to engage and without reserve as he showed when he arrived at AFLX in a white suit on a skateboard while wearing headphones.
All this came from the big-hearted place that makes him a good person and one the club and his teammates grew to love.
Also in his bones is a fierce competitor, one who might have seemed contradictory to him at times, and helped him earn five consecutive All-Australian selections from 2014-2018, win a best and fairest in 2015 and finish runner-up in the club champion award behind Dustin Martin in Richmond's drought-breaking premiership year of 2017.
He was the premier defender of the decade and his generation.
As Richmond began their winning run towards this year's flag he was always present post-match in the rooms, one foot rested against the wall as he leaned into the background, his white teeth flashing easily whenever he recognised someone and offered them a warm hello.
Although the pre-Christmas timing of Rance's retirement is not ideal from a list management perspective, Richmond are not dwelling on that minor detail, more conscious of expressing gratitude for the role the grinning defender played in transforming the club from laughing stock to flag bearers.
In the short term, his call upsets the Richmond applecart but from a broader and more reflective perspective, it's perfect timing given the Tigers proved in 2019 they could succeed without the No.18 in their backline.
Most of the disappointment among football lovers relates to the realisation that Rance won't stalk the Tigers' defence at the MCG like an ancient warrior defending a castle.
That was a sight to behold as he populated the defensive 50 like the subject of multiplicity photography.
"Now I feel is the right time for me to put the same time and energy into other areas of my life that need it, and to prioritise the more important things to me, such as my spiritual growth, my family and friends," he said.
Rance has made a true life decision and no one can deny him that.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-reasons-behind-rance-s-early-retirement-20191219-p53lhg.html
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Rance reflects with Richo.
VIDEO: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/550494/rance-reflects-with-richo
Doesn't seem to be coming up for me.
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This is very shattering. This makes 2019 Premiership even greater.
Something must have happened, can't do 1 and a half months of 2020 Pre-Season and then just "retire". It is very odd. Is Rance odd? Yes but this is very, very odd.
This is the greatest defender in history we are talking about.
The other 17 clubs are rapt about this.
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Rance reflects with Richo.
VIDEO: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/550494/rance-reflects-with-richo
Doesn't seem to be coming up for me.
Dougey, try this link:
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/550494/rance-reflects-with-richo?videoId=550494&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1576714954001 (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/550494/rance-reflects-with-richo?videoId=550494&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1576714954001)
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This is very shattering. This makes 2019 Premiership even greater.
Something must have happened, can't do 1 and a half months of 2020 Pre-Season and then just "retire". It is very odd. Is Rance odd? Yes but this is very, very odd.
This is the greatest defender in history we are talking about.
The other 17 clubs are rapt about this.
Rance has being considering retiring from footy at some stage since early 2015. So it's not really something totally out of the blue even though we weren't expecting it to happen today.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-richmonds-alex-rance-may-walk-away-20150428-1mvffg.html
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond/alex-rance-says-he-comtemplated-walking-away-from-football-before-resigning-with-richmond/news-story/98992e627ad54151ab01419b21f0ac46
The glass half full view is we were fortunate he signed a new contract at that time and played on for another 4 years (round 1, 2015 to round 1, 2019) and in between contributed greatly to breaking our premiership drought in 2017.
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Nothing is gaurenteed in life I guess - he's still leaving a serious crack at another premiership on the table.
You're a long time retired. Still plenty of time to do god's work when you're 32 .
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Champion without a doubt would have been a bonus this year having him there, but I sensed it coming.We did it last year without him the flag so were in no new headspace someone to step up simple as that.
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I assume Dylan Grimes would move in as vice captain now?
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What type of settlement do we need to reach with him? As much as I love the bloke I wouldn't be inclined to pay him a dime if he's not playing out his last two years...
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spot on andy
he should not get a cent IMO
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Theyll probably pay him 80,000 to $100,000 but extract a commitement that if he comes back its only going to be with Richmond.
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He shouldn't accept any money at all if he's retiring.
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On reflection it seems crazy he is not giving it one last year where he's playing in the dominant side with a chance of a flag.
Hopefully he has a month off and changes his mind.
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No doubt someones gotten into his ear. He seemed so keen on getting back out there
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No doubt someones gotten into his ear. He seemed so keen on getting back out there
God...at least the JW version
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/550502/rance-reflects-with-richo
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VIDEO: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/550574/gale-and-cotchin-on-rance-s-retirement?videoId=550574&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1576722743001 (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/550574/gale-and-cotchin-on-rance-s-retirement?videoId=550574&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1576722743001)
Rance bombshell no surprise to Tigers
Rebecca Williams, Jon Anderson and Michael Warner
Herald Sun
19 December 2019
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale says the Tigers are disappointed in Alex Rance’s decision to retire, but admits he was not totally surprised by the call.
In the biggest shock of the off-season, the champion defender delivered a bombshell this morning when he announced his retirement from the game – effective immediately.
Just as everyone at the club had been raving about how well the premiership star had been performing on the track in his return from a knee injury that forced him to miss this year’s premiership win, Gale said it was a decision that had weighed heavily on Rance for some time.
“It’s a heavy heart that Alex announced his retirement from the Richmond Football Club this morning,” Gale said.
“It’s a decision we were disappointed with, but it’s a life decision, it’s a decision that he has thought long and hard about.
“For Alex there has always been other priorities other than just football and we certainly respect that and we certainly supported him through that process hopeful that he may extend his career, but certainly respect the very strong decision that he has arrived at.
“It’s no secret this has been a continuum. This is a life decision and he has priorities outside of football and balancing those has vexed him ... but having said that during that time he has been a very good time and we have won premierships and it’s been managed.
“But I just think the last month since returning and hopping into pre-season that it has become more concentrated and there has been a sense of finality to his decision.”
Rance, a five-time All-Australian defender, has pulled the pin on his career to spend more time with his family and to travel overseas.
He informed his teammates on Thursday morning.
Rance, who played 200 AFL games and was a member of the Tigers’ drought-breaking 2017 premiership, said he achieved everything he wanted from the game.
“I am someone who will always give their best to what they commit to, and I’m proud of the time, energy and dedication that I’ve put towards my football career,” Rance said.
“Right now, I feel I have served my purpose in terms of my on-field performance and cultural impact, and I’m so grateful to the football club for their support and care in allowing me to do that in my own unique way.
“Now I feel is the right time for me to put the same time and energy into other areas of my life that need it, and to prioritise the more important things to me, such as my spiritual growth, my family and friends.”
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin acknowledged it was a decision Rance has been wrestling with for some time but respected his call to put his life away from football first.
“I think it has been part of the conversation for a little bit of time, but I think as a collective as a club it would be a little bit of a surprise,” Cotchin said.
“It’s probably just something that he has been wrestling with internally, he obviously had some people that he loves and cares about around him that have been incredible supporters for him and at the end of the day this is the conclusion that he came to.
“To me footy is just a game, I know a lot of people see it as a business and spots on lists and so forth but to me it is all about the health of a person whether it be mentally, physically, both, spiritually, you need to be at your best so you can give your best and that’s what we hope Rancey can find in the near future.”
Cotchin said the retirement of Rance would leave a huge hole at the Tigers but knowing the team was able to win a flag without him would help ease the pain.
“I like to think that a lot of the behaviours he has lived by for his lengthy career will live on through others that he has nurtured and been a big part of their careers,” he said.
“We have full faith in some of our young and up and coming players that will hopefully get an opportunity to fill the void.
“There is a little bit of sadness there bit even ‘Dimma’ (coach Damien Hardwick) spoke about it this morning, I think it’s an opportunity for others.
“There is a hole there much like last year when he went down with a knee injury for other guys to grow and flourish and give themselves a chance.”
Rance was training with the Tigers as recently as Tuesday when the AFL and AFLW teams trained together at Punt Road.
Fellow defender Dylan Grimes said Rance was fit and moving well on the track with his teammates close to re-joining the main group.
Asked if his disappointment in Rance’s decision had to do with the late timing of it just days away from the Christmas break after the completion of the trade and draft periods, Gale said it was more a selfish one to be losing a player of his quality.
“It’s just that he is a really good player. It’s a fiercely competitive caper and you want the best players available on the park more often than not,” Gale said.
“We were all eagerly anticipating Alex’s return, he had been training very very well and I thought that he was going to make an immediate impact won our team and that’s not going to be the case.
“Call it a selfish disappointment, that’s what it was. But I’m not surprised, these things have weighed heavily on him and most importantly as I stand before you today I am extremely grateful and thankful that I got to watch him play.”
Rance departs with two years to run on his lucrative contract, which Gale said the Tigers would be “amended”.
Gale said Rance departed as one of the “finest” players to have played at the club, saying he leave big shoes to fill.
“He has been a remarkable player for this football club. He is a remarkable, talented, combative assertive leader that is all in,” Gale said.
“He is 150 per cent type player and highly decorated and is a premiership player and we are extremely thankful that he has been a Richmond man.
“He is certainly one of the finest defenders of the modern era.”
The 30-year-old has made no secret of his desire to explore options away from football.
The Jehovah’s Witness almost quit AFL in 2015 in what he described as a “conflict” between football and his faith.
“Yeah (it has occurred to me since 2015) — it’s constantly occurring to me,” Rance said of retirement two years ago.
Rance pushed hard to make it back for last year’s finals but said he would never have forgiven himself if he went down and cost his team the chance to win.
The Tigers are favourites to go back-to-back next year but Rance has foregone the chance to a have a crack at another AFL flag with his announcement.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-defender-alex-rance-announces-shock-afl-retirement/news-story/3d0de16e737ec8d4638df20bd004143f
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how the actual stuff did he let a cult get its scratchers into him?
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Gale hopes Tigers haven't seen last of 'stark raving mad' Rance
Ronny Lerner
The Age
December 19, 2019
Richmond will keep Alex Rance on their list next season and CEO Brendon Gale remains hopeful that the champion defender might resume his AFL career at some stage despite announcing his retirement on Thursday.
Rance, a devout Jehovah's Witness, has decided to walk away from the game, with two years still to run on his contract, to focus more on his family and his faith.
"For Alex, there's always been priorities other than just football and we certainly respect that and we certainly support him through that process, hopeful that he may extend his career, but we certainly respect the very strong decision he's arrived at," Gale said.
While the five-time All-Australian toyed with the idea of ending his career in 2015 for those same reasons, his decision on Thursday still came as a shock to the club, according to captain Trent Cotchin.
"That would be a fair way of putting it," Cotchin said at Punt Road Oval when asked if he was shocked but not surprised by Rance's call.
Rance tried to break the news to his teammates in "typical 'Rancey' fashion with a bit of humour", according to Cotchin, even though there was "sadness" attached to the announcement.
"I think he handled himself really well," Cotchin said.
"He's really respectful of the culture that all of us have created here at the Richmond footy club, he's really proud of that. He's really sad that he's not going to be a part of that from a day-to-day point of view but we'll always be there for him."
Gale said Rance made his decision with "a heavy heart" and the Richmond chief admitted that from a selfish perspective, the club was disappointed by it.
"He's a really, really good player," Gale said of Rance, who suffered a season-ending knee injury in round one this year.
"This is a fiercely coemptive caper and you want the best players available on the park more often than not.
"We were all eagerly anticipating Alex's return, he's been training very, very well, and I thought he was going to make an immediate impact on our team and that's not going to be the case.
"But I'm not surprised. These things have weighed heavily on him and most importantly, as I stand before you today, I'm extremely grateful and thankful that I had the opportunity to watch him play.
"It's a life decision. It's a decision he's thought long and hard about and for Alex there's always been other priorities other than just football.
"He's a remarkable, talented, combative, assertive leader that is all in – he's a 150 per cent-type player.
"I don't think it's about player enjoyment, I think he loves the club, he loves the players, he hasn't fallen out of love with the game or his teammates, he's been clear about that.
Alex Rance's alter egos always kept the Richmond Football club upbeat according to CEO Brendon Gale.
"The positive here, by the power of his example, he has set a very, very high standard and benchmark for others to follow. We've got some exciting young kids who have the opportunity to come up and take the bull by the horns."
As good as Rance was on the field, Gale said his presence would be missed just as keenly off it.
"He's a real leader and a connector," Gale said.
"I mean, he's mad. I don't understand him, but he lifts the place. He's one of those guys who creates energy. Things happen on the field, you see that, but they happen off the field as well and he's going to leave big shoes to fill.
Having been drafted together in 2007, Trent Cotchin paid tribute to the stellar career of Alex Rance.
"He's just got a range of alter egos. He's schizophrenic. I don't make light of that, but he just flips into different personalities and I don't know where they come from or where he draws inspiration from, but he's just stark raving mad."
Gale and Cotchin said the club didn't try to talk Rance out of his decision, but they did present a strong case to him as to why he should remain a Richmond player.
"There's no compulsion to remove him off our list at this stage. The contract will be amended accordingly, he'll stay on our list until the end of the year and then we'll deal with it then," Gale said.
Gale described the premiership defender, 2017 All-Australian captain and 2015 best-and-fairest as "one of the finest players to play at our club".
Cotchin was philosophical about Rance's retirement and while he would have preferred Rance to continue playing, the Richmond skipper was confident about his team's ability to cover his absence as they already exhibited emphatically by storming to their second flag in three years this season without him.
"To me footy is just a game," he said.
"I know that a lot of people see it as a business and spots on lists and so forth, but for me it's all about the health of a person whether it be mentally, physically, [or] spiritually, you need to be at your best to give your best and that's what we hope Rancey can find in the near future."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/gale-hopes-tigers-haven-t-seen-last-of-stark-raving-mad-rance-20191219-p53lkk.html
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Rance remains on Richmond's list, but Tigers have decisions to make
Peter Ryan
The Age
19 December 2019
Richmond would need to put Alex Rance on the inactive list to open a spot and replace him with a rookie during the pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP), as clubs made final list lodgements after November's rookie draft.
The AFL's Ken Wood, who manages total player payment compliance, would also need to approve the yet-to-be-finalised settlement between Richmond and Rance before it becomes clear exactly what space would be available for the Tigers heading into next year's exchange period.
Club CEO Brendon Gale indicated Richmond would keep the 30-year-old on the list however, in the faint hope he would have a change of heart, though Gale also said he respected the finality of the decision.
At some stage however they will need to draw a line through Rance, as his departure will give them more cap space than they imagined, with Rance likely to have commanded around $800,000 a season.
With the free agency, trade and draft period over for this season, the Tigers have some time to prepare then implement any serious tweaks to their list management strategy, with only the SSP and mid-season draft windows open for clubs to add players to their list.
Of course the Tigers used both those options to great effect in 2019 with Sydney Stack and Marlion Pickett becoming Richmond players via those new avenues, but the chances of finding a replacement for Rance via those mechanisms are slim.
It's why the timing of Rance's decision is not ideal as the Tigers' major list decisions have been made for 2020 and the best methods for replacing quality players is via trade, free agency or the national draft.
The Tigers are vulnerable if Dylan Grimes or David Astbury are injured, with Ryan Garthwaite still developing. However they have been enthused by Ben Miller's progress, while versatile Noah Balta is a potential defender.
Richmond used their first pick in this year's draft on midfielder Thomson Dow after not being able to hang on to Brandon Ellis, who departed with good will and a five-year deal to the Gold Coast as a free agent.
The Tigers also lost Dan Butler to the Saints and Jacob Townsend to Essendon, while drafting medium forward Noah Cumberland and midfielders Will Martyn and Hugo Ralphsmith with selections in the 40s.
So be it, is the club's view. Rance provided the Tigers with enormous value in 200 games.
Given their recent performance with two flags and a preliminary final in their past three seasons, the Tigers were likely to remain in a retention and reward phase rather than recruiting anyway, particularly with star forward Tom Lynch just one season into a seven-year contract.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/rance-remains-on-richmond-s-list-but-tigers-have-decisions-to-make-20191219-p53llf.html
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Really sad to see him retire particularly when he put so much effort to play last season. Congratulations to him for a brilliant career. A true champion.
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Could have drafted the likes of Will Gould or Emerson Jeka...
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We could've done a lot of things if we had the money.... :shh
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"Inactive list" another stupid effin Americanism that the journo's / commentators managed to squeeze in
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The best Blackman I have ever seen. Thank you Alex :clapping
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Disappointing but understand it
In a time when the term champion gets bandied about after one good game, this bloke is a true Champion
How lucky were we to witness an amazing career
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Disappointing but understand it
In a time when the term champion gets bandied about after one good game, this bloke is a true Champion
How lucky were we to witness an amazing career
Well said :clapping
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The best Blackman I have ever seen.
Racist... :shh
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The best Blackman I have ever seen.
Racist... :shh
He was talking the John Blackman family, not the race :shh
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How a unique Tiger became a star
Glenn McFarlane
Herald Sun
20 December 2019
Alex Rance has never cared about following footy conventions.
In an age where a production line of AFL footballers are ordered to stick to the script others determine for them, Rance has always been his own man, marching to his own beat.
He once did it on a skateboard in a white suit and sunglasses all in the name of AFLX — and a good laugh.
He did it singing and dancing dressed as Aladdin, or soaping up the Richmond change rooms for a slip-and-slide session, or dressed up as Captain America.
Thankfully, he did his best work on the field as he transformed from a young player with questionable disposal and decision-making into one of the game’s greatest defenders.
He played footy with an innate sense of dare, taking on not just his own opponent, but almost entire forward lines.
If Richmond was to recast its Team of the (20th) Century as its greatest side of all-time, he would be one of the first picked.
His penchant for doing things his way played a part in his shock decision to retire from AFL football — at 30 — to be closer to his family and to devote more time to his faith as a Jehovah’s Witness.
The “conflict”, as he called it, between football and faith ate away at him for years.
Faith was always going to win on Rance’s scoreboard, even if his desire to chase a second flag with the Tigers in 2020 — after a knee injury cost him this year — was strong.
“Now I feel is the right time for me to put the same time and energy into other areas of my life that need it, and to prioritise the more important things to me, such as my spiritual growth, my family and friends,” Rance said.
He forecast this decision as far back as five years ago.
Rance explained on The Stack Report podcast last year how the contrasts between his beliefs and his football made for a delicate balancing act.
“When I want to talk to people about love and care, which are central parts of being a Jehovah’s Witness, it’s conflicting because (on the field) I’m beating someone up,” he said. “I’m trying to beat him, and put myself over him. But when I talk about the leadership side of things, I show that empathy, care and humility.
“It’s not an easy road to walk, when you have this conflict inside you.”
The Jehovah’s Witness website acknowledges playing sport as a means of “good health” and to “promote teamwork and self-discipline”. But it also warns about pitfalls when it comes to “violent” sports or “win-at-all-costs attitude”.
As the shock of Rance’s decision sinks in for Tigers fans, they can be thankful he played long enough to take his tally to 200 games and become one of the key figures in forging a modern dynasty at Punt Road.
He will one day become an AFL Hall of Famer, having been a five-time All-Australian (one as skipper), a best-and-fairest winner and a premiership player in 2017.
Early in his time in yellow and black, he used to have what his coach once famously termed “Alex Rance moments” when his kicking and decision-making had Tigers fans looking the other way.
But he worked on those deficiencies, with his coming-of-age moment coming in the final round clash with Sydney in 2014 when he was a wall the Swans couldn’t get past in one of the best games of his career.
He never looked back.
Those “Alex Rance moments” became things of beauty, not bewilderment.
He perfected the art of the interception, was one of the best one-on-one defenders the game has seen and his desperate acts — tackles, spoils, smothers and second efforts — and his leadership skills became a template future defenders will be judged on.
He’ll no doubt tackle the next stage of his life in the same manner.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/faith-was-always-going-to-win-out-over-footy-but-alex-rances-legacy-will-live-on-forever-at-punt-rd/news-story/0fb452595e6c5501d24e68de07889776
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Gale said Rance's contract will not come off the books this summer, meaning the Tigers won't have an extra spot available for another Sydney Stack-like signing in February.
But adjustments at the end of 2020 could allow Richmond to make a splash in free agency or the trade period.
"There's no compulsion to remove him off our list at this stage," Gale said.
"The contract will be amended accordingly, he'll stay on our list until the end of the year and then we'll deal with it then."
Having just romped to the 2019 premiership without their star defender, the Tigers are still heading into next year in good shape.
Bookmakers still have Richmond as outright favourites for next year's flag, they're just not quite as red hot.
Rance's defensive teammates like Dylan Grimes, David Astbury, Bachar Houli and Nick Vlastuin lifted to cover his absence this year.
They will need to do the same next season and hope someone like Noah Balta can grasp an opportunity.
The athletically gifted but raw tall is yet to make a position his own and he would appear to be one of the first in line to get a crack at helping fill the void.
"I think the positive here is that by the power of his example, he's set a very high standard and benchmark for others to follow," Gale said of Rance.
"We've got some exciting young kids who have the opportunity to come up and take the bull by the horns."
Grimes and company have demonstrated that they can cover for Rance on the field, but he was still a big part of proceedings behind the scenes while he rehabbed his knee.
Gale said the 30-year-old, part of the leadership group since 2016, was key in helping create the club's successful culture and will be missed.
"As talented and as combative and competitive as he was on the field, he was a real leader and a connector," he said.
"And a leader in the locker room. He's mad, I don't understand him, but he lifts the place.
"He's one of those guys who creates energy. Things happen. They happen on the field, you see that, but they happen off the field as well."
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-look-to-youth-to-help-cover-rance-c-614086
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Alex Rance Wife, Georgia Rance, Bio, Wiki, Net worth
celebscloseup.com
December 19, 2019
The media and football experts worship him as the best defender in the game since his first All-Australian season of 2014.
Back n 2014, Alex Rance, Australian rules footballer, almost left Richmond. There was the morning when he didn’t long for training sessions; the player only wanted to lay on his own comfort zone. Even one of the players surprisingly asked Rance how his family match up with his enthusiasm. But, Rance realized that they barely get to see his exuberance since most of it shreds out of him amidst the training and matches. Finally, five years later, he announced his retirement from AFL though his contract stated two years on the run.
Now, the player is on the run to be the best husband, best brother and best son in the Rance family. Learn more of Alex Rance’s wife, bio, wiki, and net worth.
Wiki Facts
Real Name Alex Rancid [sic]
Birthday October 9, 1989
Age 30
Birthplace Perth
Zodiac Sign Libra
Nationality Australian
Ethnicity Mixed
Height 6’4″
Profession former professional Australian rules footballer
Parents Murray Rance, Dianne Rance
Married/Wife/Partner Georgia Rance
Children None
Siblings N/A
Net Worth Above $1million
Married Life: Alex Rance wife, Georgia Rance
Despite he owns a contract with Richmond for further two years, he stepped away from the game for his family. Five years ago, when he told his wife, Georgia Rance, about his retirement, she was reluctant on his decision.
She knew that Rance loves football, if he quits it, one day he will resent and hold grudge against her. As a result, the player was in a dilemma, he couldn’t leave football and let down the people who look up to him. All he wanted was his football career, financial stability, and energy secured from his day to the family at once.
Finally the decision chose to stay with a long break. In a vacation, the spouse, Alex Rance, and Georgia Rance visited 11 states as well as Mexico, Cuba, the Caribbean. They sailed through canyons in Arizona; went to museums, cactus field and relished in NYC. Still, he headed off for running in between their routines. He was addicted to the training all through.
In December 2012, Rance hitched Georgia Blakeney, who cherished him throughout his AFL career. Has the duo received blessings from the children yet? Do you know he is an author of two children books -Tiger’s Roar and Rabbit’s Hop? He owns the school, The Academy too. But, he hasn’t relished the aura of fatherhood.
“I’d love to be a dad one day, a devotee of Jehovah’s Witness, Rance admits. “But probably the reason why I haven’t had kids yet, is because of my lifestyle. Right now, I’m not emotionally available enough to be able to provide for them.”
Earnings: Alex Rance net worth?
Having said, he is the best defender of all the time in the AFL season, his net worth is probably a bankable payroll. Well, Alex Rance’s net worth surpasses the binge of one million dollars. Let’s have a look at his career highlights, which is evidence of his bankable figures. Rance has honors of five times All-Australian, a one-time All-Australian captain and a winner of Richmond’s best-and-fairest award. He started playing for Richmond in 2007, while the year 2014 witnessed Rance’s 16 disposals accompanied by 12 coming off intercept possessions. Hence, he bagged his first All-Australian selection in 2014.
Besides rules football, he invested in a carpentry apprenticeship, pilot training, and a building course. He is the founder of the social media apps, The Academy, an Australian Rules football school for high school students.
His contract is worth $1 million per season. On 19 December 2019, he announced his retirement as an Australian Rules footballer so that he could be attentive towards his family. The injured knee raised the speculation if it was a reason to call of the game though he had two year run of contract.
“…Right now, I feel I have served my purpose in terms of my on-field performance and cultural impact, and I’m so grateful to the football club for their support and care in allowing me to do that in my own unique way…”
Knock Knock: There’s more to Alex Rance Bio-wiki
Age: At 30, he stuck by the decision of stepping away from his all-time long AFL career. He was born on October 9, 1989, in Perth Australia.
Parents: His football stream inherits from father, Murray Rance, a former Footscray and West Coast player and Swan Districts captain in the WAFL. Hence, he inclined towards junior football at the Noranda Junior Football Club under the influence of his dad. His mother, Dianne Rance has a connection from Indian ancestry.
Education, Nationality, and Ethnicity: He did schooling from Guildford Grammar School in Perth, Western Australia. Rance bears Australian nationality and mixed ethnicity. He has a pint of Indian heritage too and the credit goes to his mother, Dianne Rance.
Height: The player is quite tall at the height of 6’4”. It was an advantage to his defender and full-back position for the team.
https://celebscloseup.com/alex-rance-wife-georgia-rance-bio-net-worth/
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Unreliable source but the Daily Mail has two headlines:
* Rance and his wife Georgia have split.
* The tortured mind of a JW
Can someone post them on OER as I can't access them from my phone here.
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7831409/amp/The-tortured-mind-devout-Jehovahs-Witness-AFL-superstar-Alex-Rance.html
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Wow time flys by. I can't remember exactly when Rance was talking about retirement because of his faith and the issues it was causing in house with a very devout wife .. Was it three yrs ago 2016?. At the time i thought it was a close run thing if he stayed or went. He stayed and got his reprieve but i thought it was always going to an issue and it was always on the cards that he would retire.
Three yrs on it has certainly remained an issue for both him and his missus. The timing of it all and the so called issues surrounding said retirement to me are neither here nor there.Retirement imo has always been in the fore ground for Alex and his Missus.
As far as im concerned he has had his extended stay and if he wants to keep the missus happy it is time to retire
People think this is something that has happened suddenly. I disagree. I think it is something that has been bubbling away for 4 or so yrs.
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Problem with your post being that he’s divorcing his wife!
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Problem with your post being that he’s divorcing his wife!
Couples separate all the time and not all of the separations will end in divorce. Most couples having difficulties for whatever reason will usually try to work things out during the separation period. Bit hard to fully commit to work on saving your marriage if you are spending all your time and energy on your job that happens to require more of a commitment than the average 9 to 5. So retirement was really a no brainer. I hope they can work things out but if not, life goes on....
The announcement was a separation with no mention of divorce at this stage.
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Are you saying that he’s retiring to save his marriage?
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Are you saying that he’s retiring to save his marriage?
I don't think it's a stretch to imagine. Being a full time AFL footballer and in the club's leadership group (vice captain) is probably extremely demanding. Maybe he just wants to work on his personal life for a while?
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BF poster quoting Sam Newman's podcast, so take with a pinch of the ol' Saxa fur now...
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/rance-retirement.1233557/post-64061673
:shh
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BF poster quoting Sam Newman's podcast, so take with a pinch of the ol' Saxa fur now...
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/rance-retirement.1233557/post-64061673
:shh
Gee wouldn't that be nice. Guy just takes a few months to sort his marriage out and then comes back for R1 :)
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Would that info explain why so many teammates did not offer any social media words? Because they knew he would be back?
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Would that info explain why so many teammates did not offer any social media words? Because they knew he would be back?
Yes.
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LOL, you couldn't write a fiction novel this good!!
For every 'he's coming back' rumour, there are rumours going the other way. I heard one the other day which came from the mouth of a former RFC player (before Rance's time)
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Go on then, tell us
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Probably just one of Reece McKenzie, Dean McDonald or Jason Westhoff talking shyte about us again... :shh
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Nothing related to his retirement announcement but Rance has posted this on his instagram page.
(https://instagram.fbne2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/p1080x1080/80518215_121137632421949_4532909220944039334_n.jpg?_nc_ht=instagram.fbne2-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=xRy8DxHlAk0AX_Buv32&oh=a07f525309cd62aebaa59a0813802211&oe=5EA3D30B)
https://www.instagram.com/alexrance/
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:banghead
Fuming. I've just removed a post with an unsubstantiated rumour
We made it very clear that anything like that would be removed.from this forum
That it gets posted on other sites like is BF is not justification for posting stuff like that here.
We've benn very consistent all the way along about this, so this is not a snap decision
Please see
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=29777.msg670507#msg670507
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Looks like it is all true, gutted
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Looks like it is all true, gutted
PM if you can mate ;)
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Link plz
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Rance ready for Geelong move
Tamara McDonald
Geelong Advertiser
January 16, 2020
Recently-retired AFL star Alex Rance is set to focus on his footy school, which has a campus opening in Geelong next month, full-time.
Mr Rance is the co-founder and co-director of The Academy, an elite college that already has a campus in Essendon, and provides an alternative to standard Year 11 and 12 schooling with a strong focus on AFL development.
It will be opening in Hamlyn Heights and students will graduate with VCAL qualifications and pathways to tertiary institutions.
Luke Surace, co-director at The Academy, yesterday confirmed Mr Rance would be involved “in a full-time capacity” across all campuses from 2020, leading the high performance and football aspects of the program.
Mr Rance and Mr Surace will work together on the future growth of the program in further Victorian locations.
“Alex is excited to combine his two passions, AFL and education, in a more full-time capacity,” Mr Surace said.
Mr Rance, a 2017 premiership star for Richmond and five-time All-Australian defender, announced his shock retirement last month.
https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/geelong/retired-afl-star-alex-rance-taking-fulltime-reigns-of-geelong-essendon-footy-schools/news-story/e715d7e22646a9695ce8cc4cfd5845bc
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Ch 7 and 9 news both just mentioned that later on in their respective bulletins they'll have Houli talking about Rance.
In the snippet Ch 9 showed just now Houli was saying if he (Rance) can get his life into balance he can see Rance coming back.
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Houli praying Rance will find fulfilment - and return to Richmond
Peter Ryan
The Age
16 January 2020 5:00pm
Dual premiership Tiger Bachar Houli was shocked when his teammate Alex Rance announced he was retiring just before Christmas, given Rance had presented to the group in a strategy meeting just days earlier.
The surprise has barely subsided and Houli is still hopeful Rance can find a way to return to the game where he made his name, admitting he is "praying" that Rance will come back.
As is his gentle and genuine way off the field, Houli emphasised that his prayers are more focused on Rance finding the happiness he said he was seeking when he left behind the game that has dominated his life for so long.
But he also made it clear he would like the five time All-Australian alongside him on the field, too.
"Everyone is sad that he has stepped away from the game but I pray that he comes back because he such an incredible player but more importantly an incredible person ... I pray that he comes back but more importantly we pray that he continues to be happy and to fulfil what he wants to fulfil in life," Houli said.
The two teammates caught up briefly at a funeral recently but their discussion was focused on the occasion rather than any football talk, with Houli always capable of finding perspective when required.
"Things happen and there is more to life than just football," Houli said.
"[Alex] admitted he struggled to balance his life to an extent and we all go through that. We are not perfect human beings but I am sure if he can balance other things in life and be able to incorporate all this I have confidence that he will return, but that is obviously his decision."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/houli-praying-rance-will-find-fulfilment-and-return-to-richmond-20200116-p53s44.html
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Richmond defender Bachar Houli says he's been praying Alex Rance will change his mind and return to the Tigers. http://7NEWS.com.au @Jacquifelgate #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1217716427353755648
Richmond's Bachar Houli says he's confident retired teammate Alex Rance will make a comeback. @coreynorris9 #9News
Watch here: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1217716187112656896
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Tigers star praying for Rance return
Peter Rolfe
Herald Sun
16 January 2020 7:00pm
Dual Richmond premiership star Bachar Houli is hopeful Alex Rance will return as an AFL footballer, admitting he was shocked by his teammate’s abrupt retirement.
All-Australian Houli declared there was more to life than football and hoped Rance found happiness after stepping away from the game last month.
But he said the timing of Rance’s retirement as the Tigers chase a second flag in three years caught the club by surprise and he hoped the Richmond great returned.
“We all wish that he comes back,’’ he said.
Houli described Rance as “one of the best humans that ever existed’’.
“He is all about family, all about happiness,’’ he said.
“Yes, everyone is sad that he stepped away from the game but I pray that he comes back.
“Because he is such an incredible player but, more importantly, an incredible person.’’
Rance, 30, has vowed to work on his private academy in the wake of his shock retirement last month, after spending most of last season on the sidelines through injury.
But Houli said the door was open for a Richmond return if the five-time All-Australian had the hunger.
“I pray that he comes back,’’ he said.
“But, more importantly, we pray that he continues to be happy and to fulfil what he wants to fulfil in life.’’
Houli revealed Richmond players were as surprised as fans when Rance – who he labelled “ a brother for life’’ announced he was stepping aside.
“I’m sure everyone was pretty shocked, I was very, very shocked to be quite honest,’’ he said.
“Because I remember two days before he announced his retirement he was standing up talking about certain plays … it sounded like he was extremely passionate and just wanted to get on the field.
“I was really shocked, but things happen.’’
Houli said leading a balanced life would be the key to any Rance return.
“Alex is a person that when he commits to something, he fully commits,’’ he said.
“He admitted that he had struggled to balance his life to an extent and we all go through that.
“We are not perfect human beings.
“But I’m sure if he can balance other things in life and be able to incorporate all this, I have confidence that he will be able to return.
“But that’s obviously his decision.
“What we want is for him to be happy because life goes beyond football.’’
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/bachar-houli-says-he-hopes-alex-rance-returns-to-afl/news-story/7d05c7432f5d084a859dd5e175423ff0
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i think we can put it to bed now any of the rumours. The great bachar has spoken!
The JW influence played a major part in this IMO.
Bonus if he comes back but i doubt it. Time for Balta to make his move.
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Walked in at the wrong time last night, just saw come back Houli Rance. Was totally over the moon for a second there, here's hoping :pray
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Seems to be a glimmer of hope maybe?
When Hodge, Roughead etc. retired, there were no articles about teammates praying that he might come back. :pray
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Would be thrilled if he came back after the bye.
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I think the odds are shifting for him to come back.
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Hardwick slams trolls over Rance rumours
Chris Vernuccio
Herald Sun
January 17, 2020 12:26pm
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has slammed “weak” keyboard warriors for smearing Alex Rance following his sudden AFL retirement.
Speaking for the first time about Rance’s departure, Hardwick said there was “nothing sinister” in the premiership defender’s decision to walk away the game last month with two years still to run on his contract.
“That’s what people do, I think they sit there and they hide behind keyboards and it’s weak. It’s incredibly weak and it’s incredibly disappointing from my point of view,” Hardwick said.
“There’s no truth to it, there’s nothing to it. This man is a man who’s been devoted to his family and his faith for a long period of time and there’s nothing more sinister than that.”
Hardwick said the door was open for Rance to return but wants what’s best for him, sharing the sentiments of premiership defender Bachar Houli who on Thursday said he ”prayed” his former teammate will return to footy.
Rance remains on Richmond’s list but Hardwick isn’t planning on him pulling on the yellow and black jumper this year.
“At this stage he’s retired in our plans, but plans can change,” Hardwick said.
“My more important thing is to make sure Alex is happy in his journey in life.
“Alex’s always been an incredible player for us, but his family and his faith have always been at the forefront of his mind. Whatever makes Alex happy, makes us happy.
“Is the door ajar? Probably it is but the ball is in Alex’s court from that point of view.”
Hardwick said his players preferred to acknowledge Rance’s achievements in private as he addressed the lack of social media tributes from them after the five-time All-Australian announced his retirement.
“I know we probably copped a little bit of flak with regard to that but it’s not how our club operates. We tend to leave the phones at home and the phones where they are,” he said.
“The more and more we hug, we love – all that sort of stuff is very much a part of us.
“(Rance) knows exactly how we feel about him, how important he is to the fabric of our organisation. So he’ll be heavily missed, not only as a football player, but as a person.”
Hardwick said he wasn’t caught off-guard by Rance’s early retirement despite most being shocked by the decision.
“We probably thought it may come to this at some stage – and it has,” Hardwick said.
“We would’ve liked to have got a couple of years out of him, but once again Alex’s happiness is at forefront of our mind.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-slams-online-trolls-over-alex-rance-rumours/news-story/80a2e1ece1c6ce9a50ae58adafa13b4f
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Ball in Rance's court for retirement backflip: Hardwick
Damien Ractliffe
The Age
17 January 2020 - 11:00am
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says the door remains ajar for Alex Rance to return in a playing capacity but the Tigers are planning for life without the champion defender.
Fellow defender Bachar Houli said on Thursday that he "prayed" Rance would change his mind after announcing his retirement in the off-season and Hardwick doubled down on Friday morning, saying the option to return remained open.
"Is the door ajar? Probably it is but the ball's in Alex's court from that point of view," Hardwick said.
"We're moving on from a planning point of view that he won't be available but that may change.
"My more important thing is to make sure Alex is happy in his journey in life.
"Alex has been an outstanding player for our footy club and the biggest thing for us and our organisation is to make sure Alex is happy. He's got a bigger purpose in life and football is second to that and we understand that. Family and faith are incredibly important to him and we support him 100 per cent."
But Hardwick said Rance’s decision wasn’t necessarily surprising.
"We probably had a feeling," he said. "It's been a significant force in Alex's life, family and faith, so we have had some conversations over the last two to three years with regard to this and we probably thought it may come to this at some stage and it has.
"We obviously would have liked to get a couple [more] years out of him but once again Alex's happiness is at the forefront of our mind."
Online gossip regarding Rance's shock retirement disappointed Hardwick, but the two-time premiership coach said there was nothing sinister about Rance’s career-ending decision.
"That's what people do, they sit there and hide behind keyboards and it's weak," Hardwick said.
"It's incredibly weak and it's incredibly disappointing from my point of view but there's no truth to it.
"This man is a man that has been devoted to his family and his faith for a long period of time and there's nothing more sinister than that."
Hardwick defended his players’ decision not to rush to social media to pay tribute to their teammate.
"Our players have got a different mindset to that," he said.
"We don't necessarily have to be forefront in the social media game.
"Our guys are really heavily connected by human connection - phone calls, conversations - and I know we probably copped a little bit of flak in regard to that, but that's not how our club operates. We tend to leave the phones at home.
"The more and more we hug, we love, all that sort of stuff is very much a part of us. He knows exactly how we feel about him, how important he is to the fabric of our organisation. He'll be heavily missed, not only as football player but as a person."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/ball-in-rance-s-court-for-retirement-backflip-hardwick-20200117-p53sas.html
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The key will be whether we do much of a fanfare for him. Richo had 12 month farewells if we do nothing for Rance he's still a chance to come back.
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The JW influence played a major part in this IMO.
I found it interesting that Houli was the one to make this statement.
Amongst the reasons that Rance gave was that he worried that it was hypocritical to preach non-violence and then go out to beat up on an opponent.
Houli is one who has been in that exact position. As a devout Muslim he has strongly and regularly preached non-violence as a key part of his religion.
When he has transgressed - hitting a player with a backhander - he has been punished to at least twice the extent of any other player. I think Houli could clearly explain to Rance how religious principles operate in every day life and on the professional field of play.
Houli has also complied with much more strenuous restrictions (eg fasting, prayer times) than Rance would be subject to in their religious observances.
Good that Houli has so clearly outlined the situation.
Does seem though that in this instance it was an abrupt change of mind for Rance.
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And Dimma goes whackety, whack , whack!
Thanks Dimma, hope it's enough for folks now. :clapping
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Looks like it is all true, gutted
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Looks like it is all true, gutted
::)
Thank goodness for that
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"I call bulldust": Kane Cornes questions Damien Hardwick's Rance comments
By SEN
20 Jan 2020
Kane Cornes isn’t buying Damien Hardwick’s reasoning behind Richmond’s players delaying their response on social media to Alex Rance’s retirement.
In the days since Rance’s shock retirement, speculation mounted about why his Tigers teammates didn’t immediately post on Instagram to mark the occasion.
Hardwick denied there was anything sinister behind the social media silence.
"Our players have got a different mindset to that, we don't necessarily need to forefront in the social media game,” Hardwick said on Friday.
"Our guys are really connected via actual human connection … phone calls, conversations.
"I know we probably copped a little bit of flak for that but it's not how our club operates. We tend to leave the phones at home.
"The more and more we hug, we love. He knows exactly how we feel about him, how important he is to the fabric of our organisation. He'll be heavily missed, not only as a football player but a person."
But Cornes said Hardwick’s comment didn’t make sense, questioning why players didn’t post about their premiership teammate on social media despite being active on a range of social platforms.
“(Damien Hardwick) reckons his players don’t get involved in social media but I call bulldust,” Cornes told SEN SA Breakfast.
“I would believe Damien Hardwick if his players didn’t have Instagram accounts and if they weren’t on Instagram, Twitter and social media and on their phones regularly – but they are.
“I’ve looked at three or four Richmond players already this morning in response to Damien Hardwick’s comments – they’ve very active on social media.
“I’m not sure that’s an excuse for not paying tribute to Alex Rance, these are the guys that post for someone’s 50th game.
“You’ve got a premiership teammate who’s going to be a walk up Hall of Famer in the AFL and they’re not paying tribute to him on social media which is how it’s done now, players in their 20s now live on social media.
“I don’t believe Damien Hardwick that his philosophy as a footy club is to leave the phones at home and I think it’s surprise they didn’t pay tribute to Alex Rance on social media.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/01/19/i-call-bulldust-kane-cornes-questions-damien-hardwicks-rance-comments/
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Cornes being an idiot again. If there's a slight chance Rance might return then the rest of the team aren't going to farewell him for good.
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Cornes being an idiot again. If there's a slight chance Rance might return then the rest of the team aren't going to farewell him for good.
On the money :shh
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Report: Tigers optimistic of Rance late-season return
We may not have seen the last of the five-time All Australian.
Ben Cotton
zerohanger.com
January 21, 2020
Richmond have not ruled out an Alex Rance return, according to Triple M’s Tom Browne.
Browne told The Hot Breakfast on Tuesday morning that the club believes there is some chance the premiership defender will come out of retirement in 2020.
“My whisper yesterday is that Richmond remain very, very cautiously optimistic, or at least a chance, that Alex Rance could at some stage during the season change his mind,” Browne said.
“That’s partly why they have left him on the list”.
Tigers coach Damien Hardick kept the door ajar on Rance returning on Friday.
“At this stage he’s retired in our plans, but plans can change,” Hardwick said on Friday when speaking publicly for the first time about Rance’s decision.
“My more important thing is to make sure Alex is happy in his journey in life.
“Alex has always been an incredible player for us, but his family and his faith have always been at the forefront of his mind. Whatever makes Alex happy makes us happy.
“Is the door ajar? Probably it is, but the ball is in Alex’s court from that point of view.”
The 30-year old’s sudden retirement shocked the football world in December after 200 games.
https://www.zerohanger.com/report-tigers-optimistic-of-rance-late-season-return-37970/
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The trolls on facebook are just horrible. Social media is just a soap box for asswipes honestly.
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A I must say that Kane Cornes has stirred this latest batch of insults. I hope us Richmond supporters everywhere give it to him to make him pay... More importantly I hope the RFC ban media with him to teach him a lesson. Make SEN sack him.
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Some sort of campaign needs to be run to run kane cornes out of the media. He is no good.
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Cornes being an idiot again. If there's a slight chance Rance might return then the rest of the team aren't going to farewell him for good.
On the money :shh
Very possible to do a 2nd half of the season comeback after doing a "preseason" during the first half.
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Mid-Season Pick 2020 Richmond:
Richmond: Alex Rance (Richmond)
The GOAT will return!
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Mid-Season Pick 2020 Richmond:
Richmond: Alex Rance (Richmond)
The GOAT will return!
Rance is still on our list as he retired after the final list lodgement date. So we don't need to redraft him if he did return.
ps. On Bomberblitz, Essendon fans have a thread wanting to poach him off us for nothing :nope :wallywink.
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Cornes - Just why bother?
Wont read or listen to anything he says any more
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Cornes - Just why bother?
Wont read or listen to anything he says any more
Decided to side with bigfooty rumours rather than straight from the horses mouth.
Just about sums up his journalistic integrity.
What a pathetic little person he is.
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Cornes is pretty smart really - hes a shock jock and he knows exactly where the "click bait " is.
I would poke the bear too if I was in his position .
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Cornes is pretty smart really - hes a shock jock and he knows exactly where the "click bait " is.
I would poke the bear too if I was in his position .
Like all commentators who play the 'controversial statements means publicity & ratings' card, Cornes knows we're now the biggest bear in the forest to poke too. Most members and biggest crowds in the country = biggest reaction to his click bait.
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No one complained more about us playing our final 7 games at the MCG than Cornes.
Before that it was Lynch coming to Richmond.
Now it's the Rance conspiracy .
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I genuinely don’t get why people even bother moaning about him. He’s completely irrelevant. He doesn’t move me one little bit.
He’s the Pauline Hansen of the AFL
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For what it’s worth, I don’t believe Dimma either.
I don’t think anything sinister has gone with Rance, I just think the club and players weren’t overly impressed at Alex walking out 2 years early on a commitment he had made to them.
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For what it’s worth, I think he is sorting out the most important things in his life , and football is taking the back seat. Some in the club think if he sorts it out he may change his mind. He may just need time , why wouldn’t the players give him time and space.
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Balmey putting a dampener on the rumours (or is he going the double bluff?):
Rance return ‘less likely’: Balme
Jack Hudson
Herald Sun
January 28, 2020
Richmond general manager of football Neil Balme said any chance of Alex Rance going back on his retirement is getting “less likely”.
Speaking to SEN 1629 Breakfast, Balme said the initial decision was ‘unexpected’.
“It was not so much a shock, but it was a bit unexpected,” he said.
“We thought we’d got to the point where he was able to cope with the things he wanted to do and still play footy.
“But he decided that he wasn’t.
“You can’t talk someone out of that.
“We have to respect what he thinks.
“We’re still in the back of our mind hoping he might think about coming back, but that’s getting less likely I think.
“He’s such a strong-minded kid that he doesn’t tell you things for the fun of it.”
Rance played his 200th game in round one of 2019 and tore his ACL, and was expected to make a big return in 2020 to help the Tigers with their premiership defence.
Balme added it’s something the club has to cope with.
“So we have to accept the fact that maybe it is the end for him,” he said.
“It’ll be disappointing because he’s such a wonderful player.
“But in the end as a club, you’ve just got to cope with it if it’s something the individual wants to do.”
Rance finished his career as a five-time All-Australian, a one-time Tigers best and fairest and a premiership player.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-football-boss-neil-balme-said-chances-of-premiership-defender-alex-rance-returning-are-getting-less-likely/news-story/c0b4699172258aaa9926cde5da57504b
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If Balmey is correct and there's no reason to doubt him here then the Club moves on. Plan B is to look at the midseason draft if Rance is eventually removed from the list and then target a free agent in October with our freed up salary cap space.
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Rance spotted in Chambers Street, South Yarra leading a group of JW to an apartment block.
I know the lady who runs the building and she was outside with her 8 year old when they saw Rance in a suit. They were out the front when they were approached by other JW to discuss "their future"and also be allowed to knock on the apartments doors. I take this as pretty much fact, knowing a few JW in my life and also who told me.
He wont be coming back IMO, JW have him now.
Move on and give the spot to someone else at years end, if not mid year.
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For those who are heavily religious, in their mind it supercedes everything else.
Rance is also 30, coming off a ACL, hasn't played for a year and hasn't trained for over a month. The longer he is gone the more it becomes unlikely.
For the Club it does allow us to spread out upcoming retirements and manage our list and salary cap more easily. So in the mid-long term it may be advantageous.
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For those who are heavily religious, in their mind it supercedes everything else
Spot on - only have to look at Israel Falau to see how religion can corrupt a person's morality.
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Rance is also 30, coming off a ACL, hasn't played for a year and hasn't trained for over a month. The longer he is gone the more it becomes unlikely.
For the Club it does allow us to spread out upcoming retirements and manage our list and salary cap more easily. So in the mid-long term it may be advantageous.
Thing is (and apologies for the cliche), Rance is a once in a generation player. Things that might normally mean you write a player off don't really apply to him as far as I'm concerned.
If he comes back hungry after 6 months and can get fit and match ready and we can use him, its a no brainer.
Of course, we can try spin it so we take away some positives, but I still feel robbed of 2-4 years of quality football from a champion. All respect to his personal decision aside.
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For those who are heavily religious, in their mind it supercedes everything else
Spot on - only have to look at Israel Falau to see how religion can corrupt a person's morality.
Since when has speaking out against homosexuality been a symbol of someones morality being corrupted. Theres way to much liberalism these days. Homos all over the place. I hope no ones kids end up as homosexuals and your sons start copping it up the kyber. Youll all be crying. Homosexuality should be illegal. Blokes sticking it up each others backsides Geez its shameful stuff. And for all the upset over Folau he absolutely reamed Rugby Australia. He was vindicated with a multi million dollar payout.
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oh dear...
See ya Ramps!
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Whats wrong with what I wrote?
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Folau also mentioned that the bush fires were punishment from God. So yeah, he's a nutter.
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Whats wrong with what I wrote?
A lot of things mate.
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Like
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Folau also mentioned that the bush fires were punishment from God. So yeah, he's a nutter.
Hes a nutter with a multi million dollar payout.
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Folau also mentioned that the bush fires were punishment from God. So yeah, he's a nutter.
Hes a nutter with a multi million dollar payout.
Good on him. He's a rich nutter.
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The law was also on folaus side
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Its freedom of speech. Hes allowed to take a stance against homosexuality.
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Firstly, not all gay people 'cop it up the kyber,' as you put it.
You seem to have that on your mind. Some of the most homophobic people are insecure/confused about their own sexuality....
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:whistle
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We're discussing folau and his rights which were vindicated 100%
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Its freedom of speech. Hes allowed to take a stance against homosexuality.
Ah yes, freedom of speech. Sure, he has that.
Freedom of consequence is another matter though....
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So Willy why are you so much for their supposed rights?
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I imagine you voted for same sex marriage. I voted against based on religious grounds.
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Margaret Court is also a victim shes 100% correct in her views but Navratilova and co want to take away her name from the stadium. What a disgrace.
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So Willy why are you so much for their supposed rights?
Personally, Im straight. But i'm anti-homophobia, especially from religious evangelicals.
In fact, i'd rather cop it up the kyber than spend my life promoting fairytale nonsense.
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I imagine you voted for same sex marriage. I voted against based on religious grounds.
Yea i did. Sounds like we have very different views which is fair enough. Each to their own.
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Margaret Court is also a victim shes 100% correct in her views but Navratilova and co want to take away her name from the stadium. What a disgrace.
I don't think her name should be taken off the stadium either. Don't agree with her views though.
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Thats fair enough
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Whats wrong with what I wrote?
:lol
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For those who are heavily religious, in their mind it supercedes everything else
Spot on - only have to look at Israel Falau to see how religion can corrupt a person's morality.
Since when has speaking out against homosexuality been a symbol of someones morality being corrupted. Theres way to much liberalism these days. Homos all over the place. I hope no ones kids end up as homosexuals and your sons start copping it up the kyber. Youll all be crying. Homosexuality should be illegal. Blokes sticking it up each others backsides Geez its shameful stuff. And for all the upset over Folau he absolutely reamed Rugby Australia. He was vindicated with a multi million dollar payout.
I’ll just leave this here:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-weird-science-of-homophobes-who-turn-out-to-be-gay
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:whistle
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The one thing that folaus opponents havent done is state why he was so successful agsinst rugby australia.
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:lol
Good read
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Falou is a bigot of the highest order. His views on homosexuality belong back in the bronze age. He gets his morality from a book that condones slavery, genocide, and forces women to marry their rapists. It's a disgusting book.
I wouldn't give a hoot if my son grew up to be gay. I just want him to be happy and be true to himself.
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I used to stuff blokes like you in jail... :shh
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Margaret Court is also a victim shes 100% correct in her views but Navratilova and co want to take away her name from the stadium. What a disgrace.
Well said Ramps.
Ramps was a few rows away from her (MC) in the Nadal and Kyrgios match and shook her hand after nadals post match.
Shook her hand and said she well done on her stance and she was an inspiration.
Ramps have a read of what Novak had to say on MC. What a champion and if only people shared his views there wouldn't be an issue
Opinions have consequences. Hahah What a crock of lefty rubbish
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For those who are heavily religious, in their mind it supercedes everything else
Spot on - only have to look at Israel Falau to see how religion can corrupt a person's morality.
Since when has speaking out against homosexuality been a symbol of someones morality being corrupted. Theres way to much liberalism these days. Homos all over the place. I hope no ones kids end up as homosexuals and your sons start copping it up the kyber. Youll all be crying. Homosexuality should be illegal. Blokes sticking it up each others backsides Geez its shameful stuff. And for all the upset over Folau he absolutely reamed Rugby Australia. He was vindicated with a multi million dollar payout.
I’ll just leave this here:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-weird-science-of-homophobes-who-turn-out-to-be-gay
Lmfao. So you are gay if you think it's not normal due to religious beliefs or anything else?
Actions have consequences 😂
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I identify as hetero and I have a wife and child. But your comments regarding people who prefer same sex relationships is downright offensive and stuffed up. A lot of esteemed colleagues and friends of mine had to fight through homophobic slander and hate speech which you propagate to get to where they are and it’s stuffed up you think the gender of who someone chooses to be intimate with is the ultimate litmus test of one’a character
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Call me old fashioned but I only support gay marriage if both chicks are hot... :shh
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I identify as hetero
(https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif) (https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Looks like lynch's salary packaging is gonna be brought forward after Rances retirement.
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Is Free speech only free when others freely express the same opinion as us.
Are we now the socialist state of Victoria where someone does not have the right to have their own opinion
I don't have to believe what you believe but I will defend you right to have an opinion
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Is Free speech only free when others freely express the same opinion as us.
Are we now the socialist state of Victoria where someone does not have the right to have their own opinion
I don't have to believe what you believe but I will defend you right to have an opinion
My thoughts exactly
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While the champion key defender [Alex Rance] will remain on Richmond’s list this year after announcing his retirement in December, much of his salary for the 2020 and 2021 seasons has been freed up for the rest of the Tigers’ list.
Richmond have options to reshuffle deals for some of their high-profile guns including Tom Lynch, Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin, but with premiership players Pickett, Jayden Short, Josh Caddy, Bachar Houli, Toby Nankervis and Jack Graham all due to fall off-contract this year, the Tigers could conceivably spread the Rance retirement bounty among some of that group.
Richmond could also use the money to make a big play for a free agent or trade target.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/premiership-hero-pickett-to-wait-on-contract-talks-with-tigers-20200202-p53x0v.html)
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While the champion key defender [Alex Rance] will remain on Richmond’s list this year after announcing his retirement in December, much of his salary for the 2020 and 2021 seasons has been freed up for the rest of the Tigers’ list.
Richmond have options to reshuffle deals for some of their high-profile guns including Tom Lynch, Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin, but with premiership players Pickett, Jayden Short, Josh Caddy, Bachar Houli, Toby Nankervis and Jack Graham all due to fall off-contract this year, the Tigers could conceivably spread the Rance retirement bounty among some of that group.
Richmond could also use the money to make a big play for a free agent or trade target.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/premiership-hero-pickett-to-wait-on-contract-talks-with-tigers-20200202-p53x0v.html)
We are seriously taking the pee again. Coming off a premiership, having picked up Lynch as a FA last year, now going to pick up another FA. I can hear the whinging already when we unveil Gaff after a back to back :snidegrin
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Pass on Gaff. If Rance really is staying retired, should look for his replacement.
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Replace him with a key back
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There's a million on the table: Who wins from Rance's shock exit?
By Damian Barrett and Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
2 Feb 2020
RICHMOND'S second-tier premiership players are poised to be the biggest winners from Alex Rance's shock retirement.
It is believed Rance's current contact, which was to run until the end of 2021, was front-ended, but having retired in December, he has left at least $1.2 million on the table for the Tigers to spread among his ex-teammates.
Richmond has agreed to pay Rance for the two months of training (November and December) he completed as per the 2020-season part of his deal.
With Rance on its books, the Tigers' salary cap had been at bursting point for 2020 and 2021, but the remaining money assigned to Rance in 2020 can, following the issuing of a Contract Variation (CV), be partly "shuffled" to other Richmond players, which would then provide the Tigers with the opportunity to target a big-name opposition player in the next free agent and exchange period.
Richmond senior club advisor Neil Balme told AFL.com.au the club would keep Rance as an official part of their 2020 list.
"That will be the case unless he comes to us asking us to take him off the list, and we're not hoping for that," Balme said.
It is believed marquee recruit Tom Lynch has signed a heavily back-ended deal with the Tigers, and he too, could be an option for a revised contract from the club following the Rance decision
"We would love to have him play again, but given what we've gone through, and what he has told us, we have to respect his decision not to play again.
"It is more likely he will be on our list and we will be one player short this year, and that is a small price to pay, we're not hiding from that."
In the past three weeks, senior Tigers officials and players have conceded privately that a chance of Rance returning to play this season is less than five per cent.
Given Richmond's ability to redistribute part of Rance's surplus cash, it would mean that two-time premiership player Josh Caddy, out-of-contract at the end of this year, could immediately be offered a fresh deal, rather than test the market where he would inevitably receive more dollars.
Other Tigers coming out-of-contract include Jayden Short, Marlion Pickett, Jack Graham and Toby Nankervis.
Kane Lambert, contracted to the end of 2022, could receive more money up front as a result of Rance's excess, therefore ultimately easing the Tigers' cap squeeze down the track.
Kane Lambert at training on the Gold Coast. Picture: AFL Photos
It is believed marquee recruit Tom Lynch has signed a heavily back-ended deal with the Tigers, and he too, could be an option for a revised contract from the club following the Rance decision.
Captain Trent Cotchin (2022 contract) and forward Jack Riewoldt (2021) have previously topped up existing deals to assist with salary cap stress.
The game's highest-paid player, Dustin Martin, is contracted through to the end of 2024.
Clubs are required to lodge total player payment estimates to the AFL in November each year, and given Richmond was unable to factor in Rance's situation at that stage, it would need to make its case to the AFL for contract variations across upcoming estimates throughout 2020.
While the Tigers have stated they will keep Rance on their 2020 books, they still have options in replacing him in 2020.
He could be placed on the inactive list, allowing a selection in the pre-season supplemental period (where the Tigers last year secured Sydney Stack) or mid-season rookie draft (where they landed arguably the greatest ever feel-good draft story in Marlion Pickett, who played his debut AFL game in the 2019 Grand Final win against GWS).
Balme said the Tigers would not be making selections in the pre-season and mid-season player-acquisition opportunities.
"We won’t have a pick there," Balme said. "We're done. We're not thinking of that option."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/368575/there-s-a-million-on-the-table-who-wins-from-rance-s-shock-exit-
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Are we sure that Dusty is the game’s highest paid player?
Sounds like a mischievous piece of BS by an asswipe who has form on ragging out the tigers...
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One-sixth of quite a bit: Alex Rance leaves $1.4 million on the table
Jake Niall
The Age
6 February 2020
Alex Rance agreed to a settlement in which he was paid one-sixth of his estimated $800,000 annual salary, giving up a total close to $1.4 million in their salary cap over this year and 2021.
The settlement - in which Rance was paid only for two months, or one-sixth of his 2020 deal - means that the superstar defender would have to re-negotiate a fresh new deal with the Tigers if he decided to return to play.
The terms of the settlement are a consolation for Richmond should Rance stick with this retirement, since it opens up substantial room in their tight salary cap, allows them to modify contracts to important players, assisting in retaining them and emerging players.
While Richmond would still prefer to see Rance change his mind and and resume playing for the club, the Tigers are less optimistic about this happening than they were a month ago, albeit the door remains ajar.
Rance has been retained on the playing list for this year, meaning he can theoretically return at any time during the upcoming season. But if he chooses to return later, obviously the Tigers would be well placed to pay him at a lower rate than the hefty contract that he walked away from in December.
Rance has not given any indication that he is considering a return, having cited faith (he is a Jehovah's Witness) and family as the drivers of his decision to step away from football, in the face of inevitable speculation about his reasons for quitting. The champion also recently endured a marriage separation.
The fact that Rance stepped away from the game in December - long after the trade period and draft - meant the Tigers did not have the opportunity to bring any seasoned players to the club, though it is unclear whether they would have pursued recruits from other clubs given the strong state of their playing list.
Brandon Ellis, who crossed to Gold Coast on a five-year deal as a free agent, was unlikely to have been retained by the Tigers, regardless of whether there were extra funds available via Rance's retirement (Ellis crossed to the Suns in October).
Richmond will not be recruiting a young player who can bolster their list in pre-season, as spectacular flanker Sydney Stack did last year, since their list is full and they will not delist Rance. The Tigers also used a vacancy to land the storied Marlion Pickett in the mid-season draft.
Richmond's senior football consultant Neil Balme said last week that the chances of a Rance return were increasingly less likely. "In the back of our minds, we are still hoping that he might think about coming back but that's getting less likely I think," Balme told SEN.
"I did think that [he would return] but it was probably more optimism than any evidence.
"He's such a strong-minded kid that he doesn't tell you things for the fun of it, so we have to accept the fact that maybe it is the end for him.''
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/one-sixth-of-quite-a-bit-alex-rance-leaves-1-4-million-on-the-table-20200205-p53y3y.html
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Put the money towards lowering our cap obligations and then chase a key defender.
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Put the money towards lowering our cap obligations and then chase a key defender.
Agreed.
Although, as a left handed, Jewish, African American lesbian who identifies as a Japanese, I’m not sure I should be agreeing with you!
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De Goey, anyone?
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De Goey, anyone?
We wanted him when he was 21, would absolutely chase him now. Get Dusty on the case.
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De Goey, anyone?
Imagine if Ralph Carr becomes his manager :shh
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De Goey, anyone?
Can you imagine the Collingwood meltdown if we did?!
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De Goey, anyone?
Can you imagine the Collingwood meltdown if we did?!
And then Rance made a comeback hahaha
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Riewoldt explains Tigers’ ‘silence’ on Rance
Rebecca Williams
Herald Sun
7 February 2020
Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt says his former premiership teammate Alex Rance is relishing his life after football.
Riewoldt revealed he had been in contact with the five-time All-Australian today and said Rance was loving his freedom away from the AFL.
Rance dropped a bombshell in December last year when he announced he was walking away from football to focus on his family and faith.
“I spoke to Rancey this morning and he is doing really great,” Riewoldt said.
“He said he was happy to be training when he wants to train and happy to go home from work when he wants to go home from work.
“He is in a great space and obviously it was a bit of a surprise to a lot of people, but he is doing really well and I think he is really enjoying life after footy.”
Asked if he thought Rance would ever play football again, Riewoldt said it was not something he was concerned about — only Rance’s happiness.
“Do I think he will play again? I have got no idea,?” Riewoldt said.
“I am not focused on whether he is going to play again for us or for local footy or anything like that, I’m just happy that he is happy. “
Riewoldt said he had been amazed at the attention the Richmond players received not coming out publicly to pay tribute immediately after the champion defender’s retirement.
“(I made) a lot less (of it) than what everyone else made of it,” Riewoldt said.
“I think the coach was quoted on the fact that we’d rather have a phone call or a face-to-face and tell him how much we love him rather than spread it all viral through social media.
“We’ve got an amazing connection at this football club that I think is unrivalled in the AFL and we show our support that way and we will continue to do that.”
Riewoldt admitted it had been a strange feeling not having Rance around at the club over the pre-season.
“I suppose it has been a little bit weird, to be honest. He is such a vibrant character, he has brought so much to this football club,” Riewoldt said.
“We have got a lot of guys that have come out of their shells and been themselves because they have followed in his footsteps.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jack-riewoldt-says-alex-rance-is-loving-life-away-from-footy/news-story/280a47f0ea3556b3ed90d61da638d153
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He’s coming back
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back or out? :shh
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back or out? :shh
Possibly both. But mainly back, I think the out’s a bit of a red herring
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Not that there’s anything wrong with it
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I'd be chucking the freed up Rance money at Zac Williams who just knocked back a contract offer from GWS..,....:shh
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I'd be chucking the freed up Rance money at Zac Williams who just knocked back a contract offer from GWS..,....:shh
After his insipid effort in the GF, he'd need to pay us
One hit in the GF and he went down quicker than BEllis.
Looks a good player when things are going well, goes missing when the heat is on
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I'd be chucking the freed up Rance money at Zac Williams who just knocked back a contract offer from GWS..,....:shh
Corr, Taylor, Caldwell or Green are all significantly better value for money options from GWS than Williams
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Srill yet ti see what;s s good about Caldwell...I'd take Corr cheap but Willians is a clear level above ...Taylor would be great but .Green would cost an arm & a leg and hence wouldn't be better value...might as well have chucked the likes of Cameron, Whitfield, Kelly & Tarranto into the convo as well... :shh
I'd be chucking the freed up Rance money at Zac Williams who just knocked back a contract offer from GWS..,....:shh
After his insipid effort in the GF, he'd need to pay us
Ooh he had a shocker in a match where his team was flogged by 15 goals...must be no good....along with pretty much every GWS player bar Tarranto..... :shh
One hit in the GF and he went down quicker than BEllis.
Looks a good player when things are going well, goes missing when the heat is on
Rich coming from a serial Short apologist... :shh :shh
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$800k-900k for Zac Williams according to Plough.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/02/10/would-a-club-pay-usd900-000-for-this-gun-out-of-contract-giant/
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Lol GTFO 800-900 hahahhaha
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Williams is a jet.
But if Rance really is gone we should target the best KPD.
We’re obviously never gonna get someone as good as Rance but we’re 1 kpd injury away from struggling imo.
If you could trust Darcy Moore’s hamstrings that someone you could look at coming out of contract this season and the pies struggling to retain him and de goey.
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I'd take De Goey over Moore even if Grimes & Astbury both retired tomorrow...... :shh
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I'd take De Goey over Moore even if Grimes & Astbury both retired tomorrow...... :shh
I concur. I think De Goey is gettable.
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Richmond supporter too... :shh :shh
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X factor! Best players in the F50 every day.
De Goey + Martin in the F50 or rotating mid would be ridiculous!
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Retired Richmond star Alex Rance reveals he’s leading a trek to Nepal in November
February 15, 2020 5:01pm
FOX SPORTS
Former Richmond star Alex Rance has broken his silence to reveal what he plans to do now he’s got plenty of time on his hands following his shock AFL retirement.
And it turns out the Tigers champion is set to embark on a life-changing adventure to climb some of the highest peaks in the world.
“I have a pretty amazing adventure planned for Nepal in November,” Rance wrote on Instagram. “If you’re an adventurer and keen to challenge yourself and help other(s) achieve, I’d love you to join me. Spots are limited tho (sic).”
The trek, being run by Heath and Fitness Holidays and Kokoda Courage, will feature 20 adventurers trekking the Annapurna circuit in the Himalayas with the Richmond legend.
The Annapurna Circuit is one of the most famous treks in Nepal.
The news comes a couple of weeks after it was revealed that Rance left a massive sum of money on the table when he walked away from Richmond and the AFL in December.
It was reported that Rance agreed to a settlement worth one-sixth of his $800,000-a-year salary — which was just two months of his deal for 2020 — to free up $1.4 million in the Tigers’ salary cap for this year and next.
Rance stunned the footy world a couple of months ago when he announced his retirement at the age of 30, citing family reasons and his faith for the decision.
“Right now, I feel I have served my purpose in terms of my on-field performance and cultural impact and I’m so grateful to the football club for their support and care in allowing me to do that in my own unique way,” he said at the time.
“Now I feel is the right time for me to put the same time and energy into other areas of my life that need it and to prioritise the more important things to me, such as my spiritual growth, my family and friends.”
Following his announcement it was revealed Rance had separated from his wife Georgia.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-alex-rance-richmond-tigers-rance-reveals-nepal-trip-following-retirement/news-story/bfe2f8661255fbb7c65e9988d7bd9de2
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Can do that after the grand final mate...
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Yep.
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Like many Tigers past and present Sam Lloyd was surprised but not shocked with Alex Rance’s sudden retirement.
“I am still good mates with Rancey. I have given him his space and haven’t spoken to him about it, he’s probably getting phone calls from all over the place
I guess I can understand it, I see where he’s coming from knowing Rancey for five or six years there, “
He is a complex guy, one of the nicest funniest guys you will ever meet but he is complex and at the end of the day I respect his decision.
There is obviously a lot more to it I don’t know and he's made the decision for himself and I hope he’s happy.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/sam-lloyd-on-his-mate-dusty-the-afls-mental-health-battle-and-how-he-turned-things-around-at-the-western-bulldogs/news-story/325cd0e74c114cc51250615e06e012ca
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Hardwick has given up on Alex Rance returning
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
19 Feb 2020
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick admits he has given up on the prospect of Alex Rance playing in 2020.
Rance stunningly retired in December to explore his faith and be closer to his family, but rumours persisted that he would return to the game.
“Yeah I have (given up hope that Rance will come back this year), he’s got a greater purpose in life right now with his family and faith,” Hardwick told SEN Breakfast..
“I don’t sit there and say I understand the decision, but I support the man. He’s been a terrific servant for us, he’ll always be a Richmond man and he is always welcome at our footy club.
“We’ve got 41 of 42 players who can help us right here, right now so there’s no point looking in the rear vision mirror, we’ve got to continue to look forward and continue to develop our next premiership side which is hopefully not too far away.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/02/18/hardwick-has-given-up-on-alex-rance-returning-quashes-darcy-moore-link/
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Nice deflection Dimma ......
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Doing some of his best work right there the coach.
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For a bunch of players who rather “call Rance than post on social media” they sure do post a lot on social media 🤔
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alexrance: Can’t wait for this adventure.
(https://scontent-syd2-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/83614763_145136906957300_8995124630433038889_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=nTgLZEwSkvcAX8l1-G_&oh=204b80591533db6a22282a85a867fdaa&oe=5E834358)
https://www.instagram.com/alexrance/
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Alex Rance’s surprising new sporting pursuit
Fiona Byrne
Herald Sun
February 22, 2020 1:03pm
Richmond star Alex Rance is reportedly setting himself a surprise new sporting challenge after walking away from the AFL bubble.
Rance, who closed the chapter on his decorated footy career in December to focus on his personal life and his business, The Academy, is now understood to be preparing to compete in a triathlon.
The former top Tiger has been training for the endurance test having been spotted getting plenty of miles into his legs on hard runs around particular Melbourne suburbs recently.
The idea of Rance challenging himself with a triathlon is not as random as it may seen.
He competed in triathlons when he was growing up in Perth and is obviously dedicated to his health and fitness.
Last week, Rance made another surprise announcement, that he would be leading a trek to Nepal in November.
The trek, being run by Health and Fitness Holidays and Kokoda Courage will see 20 adventurers trek the Annapurna circuit in the Himalayas with the Richmond great.
The Annapurna Circuit is one of the most famous treks in Nepal. Not surprisingly, the trek is fully sold out.
While Rance’s decision in December to quit footy stunned fans, it was certainly not the first time he had thought about life outside of the AFL.
In 2015, he wrestled with the idea of packing in the game for plans to backpack across the world and focus on his faith.
In a 2018 interview, he said of footy: “Football provides me with so many opportunities to do things, but it also takes away a lot of things.
“To be no-one would be nice for a while.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/alex-rances-surprising-new-sporting-passion-revealed/news-story/32171d733607ced49eac3621ebe107c6
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I've been no-one for ages now, Alex. It's over rated .... ;)
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I've been no-one for ages now, Alex. It's over rated .... ;)
:clapping :lol
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OK ... when is he coming back? Mid-Season Draft?
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Rance was interviewed on RRR this morning.
He didn't rule out returning to footy but he is happy with his life balance right now. He used what he called a "bad" analogy of an alcoholic working in a Dan Murphy's. If he went back to Richmond he would know he would love it so much that his life would go out of balance again.
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Here's the audio link of Rance:
Listen here: https://www.rrr.org.au/on-demand/segments/breakfasters-alex-rance-tells-us-about-his-kids-book
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Alex Rance says coming back ‘would be like an alcoholic working at Dan Murphy’s’
March 2, 2020 1:58pm
by Fox Sports
Former Richmond star Alex Rance isn’t ruling out returning to the AFL, but says doing so would put his life balance completely out of whack.
The Tigers and Rance have both left the door open to a comeback since the five-time All-Australian retired effective immediately at the end of last year.
However the defender suggested on Triple R if he did return to footy, it would “consume” his life, which he doesn’t want.
"I love the game and I love what I have contributed and I am not going to completely rule out the fact that I could come back," Rance said.
"But at this stage I am really happy with the life balance that I have and I don't regret any of my time spent at Richmond because it made me who I am and I am proud of the effort that I put in there to achieve what we did.
"It's a constant thing – this is bad analogy but I am going to use it anyway – it's like being an alcoholic and constantly working at (bottle shop) Dan Murphy's.
"I know that if I go back to playing for Richmond I am going to love it so much and it is going to consume my life and my balance is going to go out again so I am happy where I am at."
Rance has just released a children’s book which is about trying to reconnect with yourself after an injury - which Rance suffered in Round 1 last year, ruling him out for Richmond’s 2019 flag campaign.
He described footy as being “very selfish” if you want to be “great at it”.
"The thing that I want to come through out of this book is constantly be introspective ... I feel like I do have a lot more clarity now. I have got a lot more time,” Rance said.
"Football, to be great at it, it is very selfish and ... it needs to take over your life."
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/alex-rance-says-coming-back-to-footy-would-be-like-an-alcoholic-working-at-dan-murphys/news-story/a2f12329876f5ff3a91ba74657b3f5e0
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He can do a preseason starting in May and start playing start of August. Win win for everybody.
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Alex Rance had fuelled comeback speculation. He just poured cold water on that chatter
March 3, 2020 12:25pm
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
Retired Richmond superstar Alex Rance has moved to quash speculation he could make a sudden comeback to the AFL, saying he’s “good to head off into the sunset”.
The Tigers and Rance in recent months have both left the door slightly ajar for a comeback, ever since the full-back shocked the footy world and retired immediately in December last year.
Promoting his new children’s book, the five-time All-Australian told Triple R radio on Monday he was “not going to completely rule out the fact that I could come back” before adding: “At this stage I am really happy with the life balance that I have.”
Speaking on Nova breakfast program Chrissie, Sam & Browny on Tuesday morning, Rance emphasised he was content with his retirement call.
“Do you know what’s really funny about statements? Context,” Rance told Nova.
“The context of it was that I love football, I love the guys that are there, I love the Richmond Football Club for giving me everything they’ve done over the last 12 years.
“But my life’s good, I’m happy where I’m at, I’m good to head off into the sunset.”
Rance said, physically, he could’ve played “a lot” more years and was initially “busting my tail” to get back to a Grand Final after missing Richmond’s 2019 premiership triumph due to injury.
Asked how he coped with his retirement and the subsequent reaction, Rance said: “The retirement wasn’t so much news for me because I was making the news, but the how everyone took it was all very interesting.
“The people close to me and the people I love and care about, bullet proof, were absolutely fantastic. The wider community that probably didn’t understand and grasp the reasons why, there’s a few differing opinions, which is kind of funny. I just take them for what they are.
“Behind every malicious comment there is always probably a bit of insecurity.
“There’s only so much you can be frustrated about in this world. If you pick everything up then you’re going to be pretty weighed down. So I wasn’t really frustrated.
“I sort of thought that the people close to me that I care about, they know the truth, they know who I am and the values and morals that I have. Everything else doesn’t really bother me.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-alex-rance-richmond-retirement-pours-cold-water-on-comeback-plans/news-story/a118910da2f9d89f85c78725e002baac
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Could Alex Rance become a “distraction” for Richmond?
By Alex Zaia
SEN
3 March 2020
Retired Richmond champion Alex Rance has left the door ajar for a stunning return to football.
“I love the game and I love what I have contributed, and I am not going to completely rule out the fact that I could come back,” Rance told RRR radio on Monday.
“I know that if I go back to playing for Richmond I am going to love it so much and it is going to consume my life and my balance is going to go out again so I am happy where I am at."
Rance, a five-time All-Australian and premiership player in 2017, hung up the boots in December last year having missed the club’s 2019 premiership campaign due to an ACL injury.
But his recent comments could become a distraction for the Tigers and particularly for coach Damien Hardwick, according to Garry Lyon.
“So he (Hardwick) has ruled it out completely, he is getting on with the job and preparing his side for a tilt at back-to-back premierships. He (Rance) is not in his reckoning,” Lyon told SEN Breakfast.
“Does he need the distraction of Alex continuing to say the door is open?”
Tim Watson says if the 30-year-old decided to make a comeback then it can be arranged without disrupting Hardwick’s plans on achieving back-to-back flags.
“He (Hardwick) doesn’t have to worry about it. If Neil Balme rings Alex Rance and said, ‘Listen, I heard that interview that you did yesterday, are you contemplating coming back?'” Watson argued.
“That can all be done, and Damien Hardwick doesn’t have to have to change his view about anything, he doesn’t need to think about it.
“It doesn’t need to be kept in-house.”
Lyon disagreed: “Then that becomes a huge distraction for Richmond. To have Alex Rance hanging over the head of Richmond on whether or not he is going to play again this year.
“If you’re a Richmond supporter, would you be happy to have Alex say, ‘Listen, I’ve kind of half changed my mind. I know you blokes have done all the hard work in the summer and you’ve been busting your guts with each other, we’ve talked about striving to earn your chance in this team, but I might just come back in Round 14’.
“If I’m a senior player there I’m saying, ‘Good on you Alex, great player, you’ve made your decision, now we’re on so we aren’t thinking about you’.
“I don’t reckon that helps Richmond. It’ll get bigger (the distraction) as the season rolls on.”
Hardwick told SEN Breakfast last month he has given up on the prospect of Rance playing in 2020.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/03/02/could-alex-rance-become-a-distraction-for-richmond/
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The surprise project that was like ‘therapy’ for Rance
Fiona Byrne
Herald Sun
March 8, 2020
Former Richmond champion Alex Rance is turning into a marathon man as he continues to find new passions and challenges in his life post footy.
Additionally he has finally ruled out a return to AFL, saying he was “good to head off into the sunset” and opened up about placing too much importance on footy to the detriment of other aspects of his life.
Marathons are part of his new sporting goals as are pushing his endurance in triathlons.
Rance, who shocked footy fans by calling time on his glittering career in December, said he had placed too much importance on football and described writing his latest book, Monkey’s Tale, as a form of therapy.
“This one was almost a therapy of sorts when I was struggling through last year and I wanted to put some things down on paper of how I was feeling,” Rance told ABC Radio Melbourne’s Raf Epstein.
“It was actually really good for me to work out what I was prioritising in my life because clearly football was the centre and everything in my life when it probably shouldn’t have been.
“There should have been probably a bit more balance about my life.
“When I looked at my life and I looked at the time and energy that I dedicated to it (football), whether it was physical training or emotional training or emotional investment, it was highly focused on how good I wanted the team to be and how I wanted my own performance to be rather than the time and energy I put into my family and my faith and different things like that and it became very evident once that part of my life was not what it was before.”
Rance, who is a Jehovah’s Witness and whose marriage to his wife Georgia ended last year, admitted his decision to walk away from footy did not come easily but had given him greater clarity.
“It has given me great confidence now to know that I have achieved all that I have in football imagine if I put that into my family, imagine if I put that into my other business, The Academy, if I put that amount of focus and energy into my spirituality, into whatever it might be, how good could that be? What could I achieve?”
Rance will lead a sold out trek to Nepal in November.
While he has quit the club he is still a tiger at heart and will be watching Richmond’s first round clash with Carlton on March 19.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/the-surprise-project-that-was-like-therapy-for-rance/news-story/05c42fbafb1803352bcfa230432f1e1b
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Good, thanks for stringing us along. Now bugger off and do your thing!
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At 30 years of age he is entitled to do whatever
he wants. He gave us outstanding service and owes us nothing. Richmond supporters are behaving like 15 yo petulant kids in their reaction to the Rance retirement. Its bordering on embarrassing.
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At 30 years of age he is entitled to do whatever
he wants. He gave us outstanding service and owes us nothing. Richmond supporters are behaving like 15 yo petulant kids in their reaction to the Rance retirement. Its bordering on embarrassing.
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Good, thanks for stringing us along. Now bugger off and do your thing!
Stringing us along? Think your confusing articles written/reported about him with things he’s actually said.
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Rance still could’ve waited another two years before retiring especially since we are this good.
It’s only two more years of a lifetime but it’s a heck of a long time out of footy when it’s all said and done
At 32 or 33 you’ve got a whole life to do whatever you want to do and achieve All you want.
Granted he doesn’t have to stay if he doesn’t want to buy he could’ve still put a hold on that life balance for the good of the team and that also is selflessness in a sense.
That said, splitting with the Mrs can’t be underestimated in all this and ultimately family is more important than footy at the end of the day. Let’s hope they can work it out.
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'Conflicted' ex-Tiger Rance wasn't told to quit by his church
Michael Gleeson
The Age
March 15, 2020 — 6.06pm
Alex Rance's church has weighed in on his abrupt retirement from football, saying the Richmond premiership defender's decision was personal and not dictated by his religion.
Rance, a devout Jehovah's Witness, referenced his faith and family when he made the extraordinary off-season call to walk away from the Tigers and the game, just as he was nearing a return to the field following the knee reconstruction that caused him to miss the club's second flag in three seasons.
But, as Richmond prepare to launch their premiership defence against Carlton at the MCG on Thursday night (assuming an escalation in the coronavirus crisis does not force the AFL to cancel games), Rance's evangelical Christian church has said it did not thrust the decision upon him.
"Truthfully it boils down to the fact that we have no authority to tell anyone what to do," said David Eades, the Jehovah's Witness spokesman for southern Australia.
So the church would not have said to Rance 'we don't want you to play'? "No. It cannot happen," Eades said, stressing that he was not talking directly to Rance's situation but to anyone in a similar position.
"If a person was making a choice and came and asked for advice it would all be Bible-based advice recognising that the person asking has developed their own faith and maybe just wants to bounce it off someone else.
"In the end we would never say to someone 'so with all of that in mind you are definitely not going to do this,' that runs completely contrary to how our organisation works.
"It's all personal choice, it truly is, because otherwise that would put us in some sort of God-like position to be telling him what to do.
"I can't talk on behalf of him personally but the rationale is if someone is finding, whether it be football or any other form of employment, that it is getting in the way of their faith, we as a Jehovah's Witness would always put our faith and Bible principles before our employment.
"Your religion is your choice, your employment is your choice."
Rance's decision was the most remarkable early retirement of a healthy, fit footballer (albeit one returning from long-term injury) that the AFL has seen.
While he had come close to retiring in 2015 for religious reasons and admitted to wrestling with the compatibility of his faith and his football throughout his career, the decision when it came in December was still stunning.
That a player could, at the peak of their professional career, voluntarily walk away from the elite level of the game and tear up a contract that would leave millions of dollars on the table is unprecedented in the AFL.
This was not a minor player. Rance was among the most gifted in the game, a six time All-Australian, a premiership defender, a player who will, even in early retirement, be regarded as possibly the best defender Richmond has ever had.
He was set to return to a side that had just won a flag and stood poised – especially with his re-inclusion – to be a strong chance to win another flag.
Thus the decision left many bewildered. The manner of the announcement, coming in the lead-up to Christmas via a video statement but not a press conference and without immediate gushing tributes from his teammates, only furthered the uncertainty of those who carried doubts over the truth of the reasons for the decision.
When days later it emerged Rance's marriage had also broken down, the cynicism strengthened that there were other reasons behind the decision.
Undoubtedly the marriage breakdown played a part in Rance's retirement decision, according to those close to him. The timing of the two decisions was not coincidental.
The Jehovah's Witnesses, Eades acknowledged, hold the view that a marriage vow is forever and that a couple wanting to separate must demonstrate they have taken all the steps they can to preserve the marriage.
Many close to and around Rance believe the retirement decision was a demonstration to the church and his wife of his commitment to try to save the marriage. He was showing that he was willing to forsake his football for his faith, and so put his faith and his wife first.
It is also true he wanted to spend more time doing church work – he has since been door-knocking in Melbourne's southern suburbs, spreading the church's word.
Eades rejected the suggestion that it would have been preferable for Rance to continue to play and retain a high profile and so reach a bigger audience for the Jehovah's Witnesses.
"You could look at it like that, but we don't," Eades said.
Rance first told the club in July last year that he was again looking at retiring. Things calmed for a period as he was not playing and in some ways that made it easier to balance the competing pressures. He wrestled with his decision, having ongoing conversations with senior football and club figures and his manager as well as his church mentors.
"You have never met a more conflicted person than he was in that six months," a senior Richmond person said.
Some at Richmond believe he did not want to retire but felt it was the right thing to do – he still loves footy – and so also would not be surprised were he to return to the club asking about a comeback.
On the day he finally told the club he was committed to retiring, he said he wanted to tell the players then have a final training session with them in the following week, when he had been due to return to main training for the first time after his injury.
The club explained this was a mixed message and that he should be either in or out. He is out … for now at least.
Now the season is to begin, quietly, without a crowd at the game but also without a Rance in the Richmond backline. Richmond fans would likely feel no closer to truly grasping why he is not out there.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/conflicted-ex-tiger-rance-wasn-t-told-to-quit-by-his-church-20200315-p54a9x.html
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Enough is enough with this. Time to move on.
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gagf rance + jw's
don't come knocking unless you wanna play
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Ross Lyon lifts the lid on secret meetings and failed Freo trades
May 6, 2020
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
ALEX RANCE
Before Rance turned himself into one of the generation’s best key defenders and shocked the footy world by retiring at the age of 30, Ross Lyon and Fremantle believed they were a “real opportunity” to lure the Tiger west.
The Dockers made a play for Rance, a WA junior, after the 2014 season. Months later, he confirmed Freo was “one of the clubs I was contemplating about going to”.
Lyon vividly remembers meeting Rance and “really enjoyed” his company.
“I remember talking to Alex when we tried to get him to Fremantle. He was really engaging and that was before he really came on at Richmond. Even then he was probably talking about retiring early and a lot of other aspects to his life,” Lyon told AFL Media.
“We would have spent four or five hours together in a room at Crown … and it was remarkably easy. But even it shocked me when he said ‘look, I could potentially just retire in two years’.
“They’d just been beaten in a final by Port Adelaide over there. How they were playing then compared to how they’re playing now and defending is quite different. So I remember having footage and saying ‘we would do this a bit different, a bit more team defence’ – like they’ve got now.
“I thought we were a real opportunity, because it went on for a fair while. I thought we were in with a really good show.
“But was he the right fit for us? Because we had Alex Pearce coming through as well.”
Ultimately Rance would remain at the Tigers and play an invaluable role in the drought-breaking 2017 flag. He would also feature in five straight All-Australian teams.
But when Rance retired late last year, Lyon said he wasn’t surprised.
“When he left the game – and I’m not sure what the reasons are – but for a balanced life, that stayed with me when I left (the 2014 meeting) that he could just go here at any time – and he has,” he said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2020-ross-lyon-fremantle-trades-james-frawley-meeting-alex-rance/news-story/14e2b698b2c429b50325c0f5a780dfc4
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Benny Gale was also asked about Rance tonight by Hutchy and if there was any chance of Rance reconsidering coming back given the interruption to the season and it being pushed back.
Gale: "That train has left the station. Alex is a strong character with an evangelical belief. We've got some good young players to fill some big shoes".
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"That train has left the station."
Brendon Gale says there's been no thought to bring back Alex Rance given the changing landscape of the game and 2020 season.
Watch: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1262337676382011394
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Imagine a press release that just said. "I'M BACK"
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Imagine a press release that just said. "I'M BACK"
and Conca walks out
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Imagine a press release that just said. "I'M BACK"
Was watching the Last Dance last night and the Jordan baseball hiatus did remind me a lot of the Rance situation. They just need to get him down for a training session. That will tickle a nerve and he will be back for another and then another.
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"I'd be having a crack."
Richmond continues to say that the chances of Alex Rance returning to football are slim, but @kanecornes
and the Footy Classified team want other clubs to put in a call.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1264916878494969856
Caro at the end said if Rance did make a comeback it'll unlikely be back at Richmond.
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Cant see him playing but if he does we should keep him on our list and ask for a first rounder from any club who wants him. We are not a charity.
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He is on our list for 2020
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Wouldn’t he be an unrestricted free agent?
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Wouldn’t he be an unrestricted free agent?
For 2021 yes
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Wouldn’t he be an unrestricted free agent?
For 2021 yes
Sorry , thats incorrect, he is contracted to us till 2021, we havent had the mechanism yet to delist him.
He signed a 2 year contract on 12/07/2018 on top of the 4 year he signed in 2015 for 16,17,19,& 19
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Wouldn’t he be an unrestricted free agent?
For 2021 yes
Sorry , thats incorrect, he is contracted to us till 2021, we havent had the mechanism yet to delist him.
He signed a 2 year contract on 12/07/2018 on top of the 4 year he signed in 2015 for 16,17,19,& 19
Yes you are correct
But I thought the Club had said that for this season (2020) he would remain on the list because his payout is in this year's cap and his announcement came after list movement 1.
But at the end of this season he would be removed for 2021because there is no $ going into the cap
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Still hoping for a miracle
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Wouldn’t he be an unrestricted free agent?
For 2021 yes
Sorry , thats incorrect, he is contracted to us till 2021, we havent had the mechanism yet to delist him.
He signed a 2 year contract on 12/07/2018 on top of the 4 year he signed in 2015 for 16,17,19,& 19
Yes you are correct
But I thought the Club had said that for this season (2020) he would remain on the list because his payout is in this year's cap and his announcement came after list movement 1.
But at the end of this season he would be removed for 2021because there is no $ going into the cap
That possibly still may happen
But, if he decided to return & play for someone else we would be able to seek a trade
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Ah Yep. Would make sense to hold on to that contract unless he and we have signed the exit clause his contract that I thought we’d agreed way back when he retired.
I was of the view that was done but we decided to keep him on the list for 2020 partly because we’d already finalised our list and also as a just in case he changed his mind
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So why on earth would he NOT go back to Richmond IF he did come back?
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If he comes back and asks to go somewhere
Else he cant be let go to any of West Coast Collingwood Geelong or the Bulldogs. He can go p like ay for Freo or the Suns if he wants
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Kane Cornes implores Collingwood to pursue Alex Rance
Zero Hanger
Lochlan Balloch
26 May 2020
AFL greats Kane Cornes and Matthew Lloyd have responded to a suggestion from Richmond assistant that Alex Rance could come out of retirement to play for a rival club.
Leppitsch recently said on Herald Sun’s Sacked podcast that the retired Tigers champion could be tempted to return by moving to another club.
“I don’t know, sometimes the further you move away from it, the harder it is to come back, that’s all I would say,” Leppitsch said said.
“If he does, is it at Richmond or is it somewhere else?
“Is it a change of environment that will help him? I think now that this has happened with the virus, it has probably changed everyone’s perspective as well.”
And Cornes has suggested the best club for this change of scenery for Rance may be Richmond’s fierce rivals Collingwood.
“I’d be having a crack (if I was Collingwood), if there was any chance,” Kane Cornes said on Channel Nine’s Footy Classified.
“If I was Collingwood, particularly if they lost Darcy Moore, do they know go hard after Alex Rance to fill that role?
“I think he fits into a club that’s in that window, a big Victorian club but I think the chances are small. You have to ask the question.”
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd added: “He’s the body type and type of player I think could come back. He’s still so lean, so fit.
“I think you’d be crazy not to call him once or twice a year as a list boss.”
Rance retired at the end of last season after missing the whole season with a serious knee injury. Despite remaining on Richmond’s playing list, Rance has shot down speculation of a return saying it’s like “an alcoholic working at Dan Murphy’s”.
https://www.zerohanger.com/cornes-implores-rival-victorian-club-pursue-richmond-champion-41168/
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Alex Rance told the Geelong Advertiser last week he was “really happy” the Tigers had made the Grand Final but didn’t regret his decision.
“I made the decision based on me and what I wanted,” he said.
“There’s days I think about it, but it’s a once in a blue moon.
“I’m really enjoying the life I have got.”
https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/moneyball-column-all-the-latest-afl-trade-draft-free-agency-and-list-news/news-story/2491b5bec2cf18e60311f52aeebebf68
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Rance to Essendon? The bombshell AFL trade rumour involving retired Tigers star
By Ben Cotton
zerohanger.com
November 16, 2020
Demons great Garry Lyon has shed light on an a trade rumour surrounding retired Tigers star Alex Rance.
Lyon heard whispers early during the off-season of the five-time All-Australian making the move to Essendon.
Speaking on SEN Breakfast, Lyon is unsure of the legitimacy of the talk, stating it never gained any real traction.
“It came across my desk within two days post Grand Final,” Lyon said.
“I checked this out and I made a couple of calls and I didn’t get anything back which is normally sort of code for ‘this is on’.
“Alex Rance to Essendon was what I heard very early in the piece.
“I got all excited. I thought, ‘boy, I’m on to something here’.
“That would have been the biggest trade of the whole trade period.
“I followed up, I chased it up as hard as I could, but it went cold so I didn’t go with it.
“I kept hearing it and I rang a couple of people and normally they get back to me, but nothing.
“I did a bit of homework and it just went cold. I don’t know if it was ever a possibility but it was suggested to me that it was on, but not to be.”
Former Essendon skipper Tim Watson said the link makes sense given former Tigers assistant Ben Rutten is now the Bombers’ senior coach.
“I guess the reason you probably heard that and thought that there might be some legitimacy to it was the fact that Ben Rutten was his coach at Richmond for a period of time.”
Tigers talent manager Blair Hartley told SEN’s Dwayne’s World last week that he believed Rance would return to Richmond if he came out of retirement.
“We miss him but he’s content with his decision and we’ve just got to support him in that, as much as we’d love to have him,” Hartley said.
“I’m very confident of that (he’d play for Richmond if he came back).
“Look, he’s not going to come back. He’s made that pretty clear to us.
“He’s comfortable with his position and we’ve just to support him with that given the service he’s given to us over number of years.”
Rance shocked the footy world when he hung up the boots at the end of 2019 to focus on his family and religion.
He played 200 games for Richmond and is a member of the club’s 2017 premiership side.
https://www.zerohanger.com/the-bombshell-afl-trade-rumour-involving-retired-star-alex-rance-2020-70315/
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Couldn't have stomached him at the Bombers. Also, it's curious as to why he hasn't been delisted yet?
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Do we have to publicly say he is delisted given he has retired?
He is a 30-something who hasn't played footy at any level for two years. Essendon showing they are still as desperate and deluded as ever lol.
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Lol this is an example of someone asserting the wrong answer to get the right answer, which is NO thanks. Why would he play for a exit club when he could have walked back into a premiership club
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Do we have to publicly say he is delisted given he has retired?
He is a 30-something who hasn't played footy at any level for two years. Essendon showing they are still as desperate and deluded as ever lol.
First list lodgement is this coming Friday
So I reckon he comes off the list officially on Friday
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From a flag to the fourth division: Rance ponders footy comeback in Perth
Anthony Colangelo
The Age
January 1, 2021 — 12.53pm
Richmond's former star full-back Alex Rance is in discussions with a fourth-division club in Perth to make a return to footy in 2021.
The five-time All-Australian retired from AFL football prematurely at age 30 in 2019 to spend more time with his family, and to focus more on his Jehovah's Witness faith.
But amateur fourth-division side Swan Valley Football Club is in advanced negotiations with the 2017 Richmond premiership player to run out for a handful of matches for the side in 2021.
Swan Valley's new player-coach is Rance's cousin David Ellard, and a source at the club said they were confident that link would secure them the defender's services.
Ellard played 63 AFL matches for Carlton between 2008 and 2015.
The hope is that Rance could play two or three games or a best-case scenario of five, which would qualify him for finals and help the club move up a division.
They are keen for as many of those games as possible to be home games to attract big crowds, and for Rance's involvement in the club to boost their junior stocks and fuel the return of an under-20s Colts side.
In March 2020 Rance said he was “not going to completely rule out” a return to footy one day.
"I love the game and I love what I have contributed and I am not going to completely rule out the fact that I could come back," Rance told RRR.
"But at this stage I am really happy with the life balance that I have and I don't regret any of my time spent at Richmond because it made me who I am and I am proud of the effort that I put in there to achieve what we did.
"It's a constant thing – this is bad analogy but I am going to use it anyway – it's like being an alcoholic and constantly working at [bottle shop] Dan Murphy's.
"I know that if I go back to playing for Richmond I am going to love it so much and it is going to consume my life and my balance is going to go out again so I am happy where I am at."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/from-a-flag-to-the-fourth-division-rance-ponders-footy-comeback-in-perth-20210101-p56r6p.html
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Alex Rance is in discussions with a fourth-division club ...
They are keen for as many of those games as possible to be home games to attract big crowds ...
The club sounds like North Melbourne ;D.
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Wgaf now
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Should always be considered a champion of the Richmond Football Club.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/locked-in-richmond-premiership-legend-alex-rance-to-play-footy-in-wa/news-story/f7ca52aef559965943569ca77e1b2c90
Richmond premiership star Alex Rance is locked in for his footy comeback in WA this year, pending border restrictions.
The five-time All-Australian will play back-to-back matches for Perth Football League C2-Grade outfit Swan Valley in rounds four and five, scheduled for May 1 and 8.
It will be a massive boost for the competition, which celebrates its centenary this year.
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And then return to tigers mid season? :shh
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YES/NO: You were disappointed to learn Alex Rance is playing lower level footy in WA?
Richo: Yes
Gerard Healy then added that the rumour mill says Geelong plans to pick up Rance in the midseason draft. Richo said he's heard that rumour too.
Go to 26:50 mark: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=794723
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that would really pee me off. Up there with the worst news if it ever came true.
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Good luck to him we have won 2 flags since then and gone strength to strength and Balta has come up we probably used his $$$ to keep our squad to time to move on.
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Maybe he will sit on Cameron so Balta can play wing :shh
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Idgaf if he's playing suburban crap but if he goes to Geelong he can gagf. What a stain on an otherwise unblemished career.
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Unless Geelong is last on the ladder, he ain’t going there.
By the time we hit mid season draft, Tigers will most likely be lower on the ladder than the Cats.
Rumours :whistle
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Could you imagine rance in our backline now :gobdrop
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Dylan Grimes gave a glimmer of hope for those desperate for an Alex Rance comeback.
"I wouldn’t say it was an impossibility … nothing with Rancey is an impossibility."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/560893/-i-haven-t-seen-a-half-time-like-this-in-my-career-how-tigers-turned-around-2020-gf)
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HE'S BACK: ALEX RANCE'S FOOTBALL RETURN CONFIRMED
BY SEN
25 March 2020
Alex Rance’s football comeback has officially been locked in.
The 31-year-old former Tiger, who hasn’t played football at any level since announcing his retirement at the end of 2019, will head west to play several games of amateur footy for Swan Valley.
The club plays in the fourth tier of Western Australian amateur football and is coached by former Carlton player David Ellard.
Ellard, who is both a player and coach for the club, confirmed Rance was locked in to play two games later this year.
“I can confirm it’s all happening,” he said on Triple M.
“As long as (West Australia Premier) Marc McGowan doesn’t close the borders he’ll be over here and I’m looking forward to it, it’ll be a great day for the footy club.
“It’s been a long time talking (with him) about it and it’s great to put our jumpers on together."
Rance will feature for Swan Valley during their home games on May 1 and 8.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/25/hes-back-alex-rances-football-return-confirmed/
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1 and 8. He wore 18 for us. This is a sign he’s coming back to play for us. Illuminati confirmed
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1 and 8. He wore 18 for us. This is a sign he’s coming back to play for us. Illuminati confirmed
:rollin :lol
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CLUBS CONTINUE TO ASK, BUT ALEX RANCE CATEGORIC ON AFL RETIREMENT
Sam Edmund
SEN
4 May 2021
Clubs continue to ask the question of former superstar defender Alex Rance more than two years after his last AFL game.
Rance tore his ACL in the opening round of 2019 and retired in December that year.
As things stand, he has no intention of returning to the top level but will soon pull the boots on for C-Grade West Australian side, Swan Valley.
It is said that every month or so a club asks the question of Rance – framed in a casual nature along the lines of: ‘He wouldn’t play again would he?’
The Western Bulldogs were the latest outfit to put the feelers out, but it might have happened 10 times since Rance announced his retirement at the age of 30.
“I think it’s a good idea and I can’t believe Alex Rance is sitting over in Western Australia playing whatever level of football it is,” Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy said on AFL Nation on Friday.
“My understanding is Richmond is topped out salary cap wise and essentially they’re not in much need as the Western Bulldogs.
“Wouldn’t it be so exciting? I’d make the call. If I was the Dogs, I’d make the call because that’s their weakness right now.”
Yet Rance could not be more categoric about not wanting to play AFL football again.
While Kade Simpson said he “100 per cent” wished he was still playing and Gary Ablett admitted he was “open to a conversation” with Geelong about a comeback, Rance remains a firm no.
The five-time All-Australian is a couple of weeks away from running out for Swan Valley, which is coached by Rance’s cousin and former Carlton player David Ellard.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/03/clubs-continue-to-ask-but-alex-rance-categoric-on-afl-retirement/
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Good on him. Must be satisfying knowing that you still had something to give when you quit.
Ablett just needs to accept that he is cooked.
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He's not coming back and even if he did he wouldn't be the Rance that left the game in 2018.
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Former Richmond star Alex Rance says he was fit enough to play in the 2019 Grand Final but was talked out of it
NCA NewsWire
May 11, 2021 5:05PM
Former Richmond star Alex Rance has revealed he was fit enough to make what would have been a fairytale playing return in the 2019 Grand Final but opted not to fearing the “guilt” he would have lived with if he broke down.
Rance ruptured his ACL in the opening round of 2019 and never played again, calling time on his stunning career, which netted a premiership and five All-Australian nods, in December the same year, missing out on a second flag.
But Rance has revealed he “pushed hard” to play his final AFL game in the Tigers massive 89-point Grand Final win over GWS before a conversation with coach Damien Hardwick forced him to make an “emotional” decision to opt out.
“I reckon I could have played in that Grand Final in 2019,” Rance told Dylan Buckley on the Dyl and Friends podcast.
“Physically I felt like I was OK to play. I set myself from the start, I want to play in the Grand Final and I am going to push myself to try and get there. I was running at six weeks and pushing it really hard.
“I felt like I was at a point where I was challenging the medical staff to let me play. It got to a point where we had to make a call, am I pushing forward with this or is it cue in the rack and we go for next year ?
“I had to have that discussion with Dimma (Hardwick) to say, I’m either playing my last game in Round 1, or a Grand Final, what’s it going to be ?
“He was like, well, what would you do in this situation where if we played you and you felt fine and you broke down mid game and we lost the Grand Final, would you be able to live with yourself ?
“It was more of a cultural and emotional decision I had to make than a physical one. I don’t want to risk everyone’s happiness, for my greed.
“There was probably a little bit of fear of rupturing it again. But the overriding emotion was I would feel so guilty for the rest of my life if we lost that Grand Final because I couldn’t finish the game.”
Clubs have continued to ask whether Rance, who is only 31, could consider making an AFL return.
But the former star defender said retirement remained “the best decision I have ever made”.
“There’s always still a part of me which loves football and it’s the best job in the world being an AFL player, it’s so fun. But it comes at a cost,” he said.
“Retirement for me was looking at all of the chips on the table and saying, what do I really want, what are my priorities now.
“There are plenty of days where I think I have made the wrong decision. But … I look at the relationship I have with my nephews now and it’s the best decision I have made in my life. “
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/former-richmond-star-alex-rance-says-he-was-fit-enough-to-play-in-the-2019-grand-final-but-was-talked-out-of-it-c-2813303
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Former Richmond premiership star Alex Rance will come out of retirement to play for Seymour Football Club next weekend, taking to the field for his first competitive hitout since Round 1, 2019.
The 31-year-old’s inclusion was announced on the Seymour Football Netball Club’s social media channels, with the five-time All-Australian a business partner with the club’s captain and assistant coach Ben Clifton.
Clubs have continued to inquire about Rance’s availability since his shock retirement at the end of 2019, but the premiership defender has repeatedly ruled out the prospect of an AFL comeback.
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-alex-rance-comeback-richmond-local-footy-how-old-can-he-still-play-trade-midseason-draft-seymour-football-club/news-story/5be261dc8688dec8450dd0b7f781ce77
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Rance playing for Seymour this weekend.
An AFL great is finally set to make his return to the football field this weekend two years after a serious injury ended his career. Here’s where.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/goulburn-valley/exafl-defender-alex-rance-to-play-for-seymour-in-gvl/news-story/b99196bf559c2be2e996b071d7585b66
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🗣“GAMEDAY MADE ME THE MOST EXTREME VERSION OF MYSELF...”
During his career, Alex Rance struggled to balance his gameday persona and his ideal self.
And it’s a struggle that many #AFL players face on a weekly basis.
FULL INTERVIEW: https://open.spotify.com/episode/366O2fAD7Zk6fVywaz2iQ1?si=ca19b23175e84fa9&nd=1 (https://open.spotify.com/episode/366O2fAD7Zk6fVywaz2iQ1?si=ca19b23175e84fa9&nd=1)
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Two min snippet:
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https://twitter.com/AFLFootyLive/status/1407875920925364229
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‘Didn’t trouble the scorers’: Tigers champion Alex Rance finally makes footy comeback
Fox Sports
June 27th, 2021
Less than 24 hours after his Richmond replacement Noah Balta went down with a serious ankle injury, Alex Rance was back out on a footy field.
While he won’t be making an AFL return any time soon - or probably ever - the former Tigers superstar still drew a handy crowd for the Seymour Lions in Victoria’s Goulburn Valley Football League.
The 31-year-old started as a full-forward, reports the Goulburn Valley Leader, and also spent time in the midfield but didn’t kick a major.
“I didn’t trouble the scorers too much, I kicked one point and gave a couple off,” Rance said.
“I was a little bit nervous on the drive up but once I got here it was business as usual.
“I never thought I would really play anywhere but Ben Clifton (Seymour captain) is a good mate of mine and we thought we would have a kick together.
“It was more fun than anything else.”
Seymour lost the game to Mansfield by 41 points but Rance was unsurprisingly one of the best players on the ground.
It was his first game of footy since Round 1, 2019 when he suffered a serious knee injury against Carlton. He then retired at the end of the year to focus on “his family and his religion”.
Seymour coach Ben Davey praised Rance for sticking around after training on Thursday night, kicking the footy with younger players for half an hour, and then helped clean up tables and chairs.
Rance was a five-time All-Australian, named in the squad in each of his last five full seasons, a 2015 best-and-fairest winner and a 2017 premiership player.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2021-alex-rance-footy-return-country-footy-seymour-goulburn-valley-football-league-richmond-tigers-comeback-news/news-story/8dedb47130edb171381f330c7c28a9f0
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Sign him up!
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Boy oh boy if only the stars had aligned and we had picked him back up in the MSD.
I'd make him captain right now tbh and I'd feel a heck of a lot better going into both the WCE and Saints games.
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Boy oh boy if only the stars had aligned and we had picked him back up in the MSD.
I'd make him captain right now tbh and I'd feel a heck of a lot better going into both the WCE and Saints games.
He didn't nominate or if he was automatically nominated and he removed himself from the draft (not sure which it was under the MSD) so we couldn't pick him up
He isn't coming back not just to the Tigers but the AFL
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Boy oh boy if only the stars had aligned and we had picked him back up in the MSD.
I'd make him captain right now tbh and I'd feel a heck of a lot better going into both the WCE and Saints games.
He didn't nominate or if he was automatically nominated and he removed himself from the draft (not sure which it was under the MSD) so we couldn't pick him up
He isn't coming back not just to the Tigers but the AFL
Hence I said if only the stars had aligned.
I knew it was never an option.
But 'if only'. Could really use him right now.
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Boy oh boy if only the stars had aligned and we had picked him back up in the MSD.
I'd make him captain right now tbh and I'd feel a heck of a lot better going into both the WCE and Saints games.
He didn't nominate or if he was automatically nominated and he removed himself from the draft (not sure which it was under the MSD) so we couldn't pick him up
He isn't coming back not just to the Tigers but the AFL
Hence I said if only the stars had aligned.
I knew it was never an option.
But 'if only'. Could really use him right now.
Agree
Time for young Ben Miller
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Boy oh boy if only the stars had aligned and we had picked him back up in the MSD.
I'd make him captain right now tbh and I'd feel a heck of a lot better going into both the WCE and Saints games.
He didn't nominate or if he was automatically nominated and he removed himself from the draft (not sure which it was under the MSD) so we couldn't pick him up
He isn't coming back not just to the Tigers but the AFL
Hence I said if only the stars had aligned.
I knew it was never an option.
But 'if only'. Could really use him right now.
Agree
Time for young Ben Miller
Should have a handful of games under his belt by now (since Astbury went down). At least he would have had Balta and Broad there to help guide and direct him.
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https://twitter.com/ClarkyHeraldSun/status/1418150743282913282
:thumbsdown
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So he can be ready to replace astbury in 2022 🙂
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Please no not essendrug
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For a pair of blokes that wanted out of the industry, they sure love still love being a part of it :shh
I speak of Rance and Leppa here.
Unlikely he would though given his trek to Nepal didn't go ahead. Hard to see him come back if things open up, which would allow that happen in 2022.
Agree Andy, not the drugos. They have a pretty good list and he would make them an even better team. I suspect truck is in his ear big time, just like he is with his Chol.
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Rance and Leppa are two blokes I'd love to have back.
There is clearly another issue with Leppa that caused him to leave. Hopefully it was only soft cap and nothing more serious.
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Move on Rance is gone good luck to him we won 2 flags without him wouldn't even go there.
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Turning 32 this year, no thanks
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Hope he doesnt tarnish his good name by going to Essendon.
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Why would he play there and not with us?
What is the point of this Alex?
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Why would he play there and not with us?
What is the point of this Alex?
apparently they are playing Southport on the Goldy & Tross is up there holidaying
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Hardwick backs in Rance comeback, except it’s in the ‘wrong sash’
Damien Ractliffe
The Age
July 23, 2021 — 12.29pm
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick joked he would have preferred Alex Rance’s comeback would be “in our colours” ahead of the premiership defender’s return to football with Essendon’s VFL side this weekend.
Rance, 31, hasn’t played since he tore his ACL against Carlton in the 2019 season-opener, but was named to play for the Bombers as a top-up player when they face Southport on Sunday.
“Wrong sash Alex! what’s he doing?” Hardwick, who won a premiership in 2000 as a player at Essendon, quipped at his press conference on Friday.
“Alex is a guy that just loves playing the game.
“He’ll probably enjoy the game, it will be interesting to see how he goes – he hasn’t played for an extended period, but he’s one of the greatest players I’ve ever seen play the game so hopefully he goes okay.
“I’d just prefer it was in our colours, not so much Essendon’s.”
Hardwick said he hadn’t chatted to Rance for some time, but added if Rance wanted to make a comeback he would back in the five-time All-Australian.
“He’s one of the more athletically gifted players I have ever seen play the game so if there was ever a person going to come back after a three-year lay-off, it might be Alex, I’m not too sure,” Hardwick said.
“What his mindset is, it is challenging. Has he had some time to freshen up? Once again I’m not too sure, but I’ll back Alex in whichever way he goes, to be honest.
“He’s such an incredible player to play the game and I think we’d all agree that he did retire early, but we understand his reasonings behind that. If he came back to the game it would be a good thing, the game would be better for it.
“The challenge is set for him, we’ll see how he goes on the weekend and how it transpires from there.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hardwick-backs-in-rance-comeback-except-it-s-in-the-wrong-sash-20210723-p58cbu.html
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Former Richmond champion Alex Rance did some good things for Essendon's VFL side as the Bombers fell to a narrow four-point loss to Southport.
Rance looked like he hadn't been out of the game for too long as he amassed 18 disposals, four marks and two hitouts down back for the Bombers while matched up against ex-Bulldog Billy Gowers.
While the 31-year-old looked solid at VFL level, he said shortly after the match that he wasn't looking at making a full-time comeback to football.
"This is not a comeback!" Rance's Instagram post read.
"Playing for the Essendon VFL this weekend was simply a happy accident and a 1 time thing.
"I was visiting my family on the Gold Coast and with COVID restrictions the VFL needed some fill ins... I love the life balance I have now, with my priorities shifting and professional football not dominating my life."
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/651683/around-the-state-leagues-ex-tiger-s-one-off-return-sun-s-rampage-freo-blow
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Yep
Dunno why he would do it , even if just for a day :chuck :chuck :chuck
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Why not?
Footy is footy and it’s great fun.
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Richmond premiership defender Alex Rance will join Essendon as a part-time development coach.
Rance will work with current development coaches Leigh Tudor and Cam Roberts with the club's first-to-fourth-year players in the Jack Jones Academy, as well as assisting the Bombers' key-position players.
"I'm really excited to join the Bombers as a development coach for next season," Rance told essendonfc.com.au.
"I couldn't think of a better place to start my journey as a coach in the AFL. Having familiar faces in 'Truck' (Ben Rutten) and 'Cara' (Blake Caracella) around to work with was really appealing to me.
"I really enjoyed my experience with the VFL Bombers up in Queensland earlier this year, and I loved helping those young players grow and learn, which will be a big part of my role here.
"I can't wait to get started and help the club towards success."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682570/essendon-bombers-land-richmond-tigers-great-alex-rance-in-coaching-boost
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It is a shame we could not get him as a development coach.
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Another example of how other “big” clubs seemingly aren’t shy to add quality people to their footy department in spite of the dreaded soft cap.
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Yep. If they are trying to squeeze one more flag out of this group they have a unique way of showing it.
Last years set up was laughable and so far I ain’t seeing much change.
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Something makes me feel like there was a lot more to Rance retiring than we will ever know.
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Sok, good to go get experience elsewhere
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His academy is based out in Tullamarine from memory so it could just be better for him to coach Essendon from there?
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He has big respect and high regard for Truck Rutten has spoken about him on that interview he did with Dylan Buckley.
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Jack Riewoldt insists he wouldn’t be too worried if he had to line up on the 31-year-old [Alex Rance].
“I kicked seven on him in an intra-club in three quarters, I’ll be absolutely licking my lips if he comes out to me,” he joked.
“That cropped up out of nowhere really, the big ‘Trossman’ deciding to go to Essendon. He’s obviously very good friends with Ben Rutten. He and ‘Rancey’ have a very good relationship.
“He’s joined Essendon as a development coach which I honestly did not see coming. Best of luck to him.”
Australian Test captain Tim Paine, a massive Bombers supporter, believes there could be something extra in Rance’s move to Tullamarine.
“He played in our VFL team last year, ‘Come down Alex, see if you like the place, see if you like the boys’,” he said.
“He’s good friends with the coach, as you said, he’s gone back and said, ‘You know what, ‘Truck’? Great bunch of lads, enjoyed my time, if anything pops up next year, if you can just sneak me into the club I’ll take that’.
“‘Then try and rookie me during the year and when we play against Richmond, I’ll stand on Jack and run off him with dash, he won’t be able to chase me, and I’ll set the Bombers up for a huge victory on Dreamtime’.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/30/riewoldt-comments-on-tarrant-to-richmond-rance-to-essendon/
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Something makes me feel like there was a lot more to Rance retiring than we will ever know.
:thumbsup there was.
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Something makes me feel like there was a lot more to Rance retiring than we will ever know.
There were rumors around at the time. Big footy has them.
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Well Dave addressed it in his retirement press conference and said it was all BS trying to tarnish his great career.
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Knew there was a reason I've never rated Tim Paine... :shh
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Something makes me feel like there was a lot more to Rance retiring than we will ever know.
:thumbsup there was.
I know it disappoints folks and there are some who don't want to believe it but there wasn't
Just like the media are making this part time job as more than what it is.
His academy is based out in Tullamarine from memory so it could just be better for him to coach Essendon from there?
Bingo, school is close to bomberland. His academy is still his number one focus, though I know that doesn't suit the media's and people's narrative
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I honestly don't think there is anything to Rance's story.
If there was it'd have come out from a genuine journo by now. Easily. Someone would have been paid off. He's an odd cat Rance, he nearly quit a number of years earlier.
The thing that bothered me was the lack of recognition from team mates and players. Which I think was partially mistakes and partially out of frustration at the decision. If I was Jack or Cltch I'd be crappy. I'd be thinking twice about gloating about his career if he quit at the peak of things.
Hate seeing him at Essendon.
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I honestly don't think there is anything to Rance's story.
If there was it'd have come out from a genuine journo by now. Easily. Someone would have been paid off. He's an odd cat Rance, he nearly quit a number of years earlier.
The thing that bothered me was the lack of recognition from team mates and players. Which I think was partially mistakes and partially out of frustration at the decision. If I was Jack or Cltch I'd be crappy. I'd be thinking twice about gloating about his career if he quit at the peak of things.
Hate seeing him at Essendon.
Personally I think there is more to the story which will come to light in the future.
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I honestly don't think there is anything to Rance's story.
If there was it'd have come out from a genuine journo by now. Easily. Someone would have been paid off. He's an odd cat Rance, he nearly quit a number of years earlier.
The thing that bothered me was the lack of recognition from team mates and players. Which I think was partially mistakes and partially out of frustration at the decision. If I was Jack or Cltch I'd be crappy. I'd be thinking twice about gloating about his career if he quit at the peak of things.
Hate seeing him at Essendon.
Personally I think there is more to the story which will come to light in the future.
Isn't the future now?
I mean he retired over 2 years ago. Players rumoured involved have left. If anything things would have resurfaced when Hardwick split with Mrs Hardwick as fuel to the flame of off field mucking around.
I love a story as much as the next bloke but it'd have come out by now.
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I honestly don't think there is anything to Rance's story.
If there was it'd have come out from a genuine journo by now. Easily. Someone would have been paid off. He's an odd cat Rance, he nearly quit a number of years earlier.
The thing that bothered me was the lack of recognition from team mates and players. Which I think was partially mistakes and partially out of frustration at the decision. If I was Jack or Cltch I'd be crappy. I'd be thinking twice about gloating about his career if he quit at the peak of things.
Hate seeing him at Essendon.
Personally I think there is more to the story which will come to light in the future.
Isn't the future now?
I mean he retired over 2 years ago. Players rumoured involved have left. If anything things would have resurfaced when Hardwick split with Mrs Hardwick as fuel to the flame of off field mucking around.
I love a story as much as the next bloke but it'd have come out by now.
True, this thread and topic should be deleted IMHO
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Yep.
I don't really care what this guy is doing these days.
Gun player but has been out of the game for 2 years. If he wasn't finito in 2019 then he sure would be by now you'd think, and as a coach we really have no idea if he'd be a good get or not.
I'd rather Shaun Grigg.
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https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1458213050691977218?s=20
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Rance will be charged with coaching key-position players and first-to-four-year youngsters in his new role.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/687023/here-s-alex-coach-rance-steps-out-as-bombers-pre-season-blasts-off
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Will be disgusted if he pulls the jumper on. And wouldn't be surprised...
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Will be disgusted if he pulls the jumper on. And wouldn't be surprised...
That makes no sense on either level…
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Will be disgusted if he pulls the jumper on. And wouldn't be surprised...
It’s happening for sure. First coach since the days of player coaches to join in full training.
Maybe he needs the coin after the ex took him to the cleaners
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Will be disgusted if he pulls the jumper on. And wouldn't be surprised...
That makes no sense on either level…
How so?
I will be disgusted.
And I think he's gonna do it.
Bracing myself.
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He was a key to making us great again.
Absaeffinglutley critical.
Owes us nothing.
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He was a key to making us great again.
Absaeffinglutley critical.
Owes us nothing.
So you'd be fine seeing Dusty, Cotch or Jack playing for Carlton? Or Collingwood?
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I just don’t understand why supporters think that our clubs owns the rights of all their players futures.
For some reason, it seems to outrage Richmond fans more than others.
It also doesn’t really matter.
Hawks lost Buddy, Cats lost Gaz Jnr - still won flags
On the flip, Danger, JC moved to Cats and where has that messiah complex landed them?
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Meh....almost worth it just to see the hilarious back flips from all the Bumbler flogs who slagged him of for years...especially if he starts outplaying Hurley... :shh
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*when :shh :shh
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I just don’t understand why supporters think that our clubs owns the rights of all their players futures.
For some reason, it seems to outrage Richmond fans more than others.
It also doesn’t really matter.
Hawks lost Buddy, Cats lost Gaz Jnr - still won flags
On the flip, Danger, JC moved to Cats and where has that messiah complex landed them?
I don't think we own him etc.
I love the bloke, will just make me I'll seeing him pull on a drug cheating jumper. The romanticist in me would prefer a legend like that just stayed a one club player.
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Fair enough. Agree with that. Just may not happen.
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Damian Barrett's view of why Rance retired in 2019:
Once Rance got his knee right he was privately pushing to make a comeback in the last 3-4 weeks of 2019. The club made the right decision for the club and Rance himself to leave him out. That didn't go down well. He's a proud person and felt he was a central to what they were doing to that point during that successful era.
It then went beyond that into the preseason readying for 2020. The decision on Rance was made by himself in conjunction with the Club that he would not be apart of Richmond's 2020 season back in late 2019. It got quite heady in terms of the conversations around that. It was complicated times. Based on what Barrett said he was told, Rance wasn't the easiest person to deal with. He's all team but there's an element of his way to being all team. He's high maintainence. It's not a criticism; it's just the way he's wired. He's all in on everything he does. It got to a point where Damien Hardwick said we've got to deal with this before it becomes an issue for us to deal with. It's the reason why the decision was made before the end of the 2019 calendar year and 2020 was "clean" from that perspective.
Listen from 3 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/news/687141/afl-daily-podcast-listen-sack-the-unvaxxed-i-would-fully-respect-the-clubs-decision
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Sounds like a massive bunch of made up garbage.
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On the dyl and friends podcast Rance said he was offered the opportunity to play on grand final but said if his knee gave out and they lost he could never forgive himself so he opted not to despite feeling good
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https://twitter.com/North1521/status/1465167901497823239
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Bloody hell.
Shredded like he's played half a season already, as usual.
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Damain Barrett: 'I still have a belief that we're going to see Alex Rance in an AFL game again'
https://www.afl.com.au/news/700736/listen-why-damo-believes-this-retired-star-will-play-afl-again
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Alex may well play again who knows i really don't care either way. For us its now all about establishing players like Gibcus, Balta, Nyuon, and Miller in preparation for the next sustained finals assault. in 5 of even longer years time.
I find it funny that people are serious about us just rejigging and challenging again in two or three years time.
When we have for certain the next crop of ELITE players in place then we can talk about it yet even ELITE players need to be developed.
We have a last roll f the dice while Riewoldt, Lynch Cotchin Martin Prestia Edwards are on their last legs we dont have that quality coming thru imo.
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Alex may well play again who knows i really don't care either way. For us its now all about establishing players like Gibcus, Balta, Nyuon, and Miller in preparation for the next sustained finals assault. in 5 of even longer years time.
I find it funny that people are serious about us just rejigging and challenging again in two or three years time.
When we have for certain the next crop of ELITE players in place then we can talk about it yet even ELITE players need to be developed.
We have a last roll f the dice while Riewoldt, Lynch Cotchin Martin Prestia Edwards are on their last legs we dont have that quality coming thru imo.
Claw if you know your football those players don't come around to often. We did our due with this team 3 flags in 4 years back to back you stating the obvious about rejuvenation.
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We need to focus on midfielders at the next draft and target a key forward through free agency.
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We need to focus on midfielders at the next draft and target a key forward through free agency.
I thought this should have been our goal last craft Ramps haha.
Oh well we've had our moment. I suspect we will be middling this year.
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We need to focus on midfielders at the next draft and target a key forward through free agency.
I thought this should have been our goal last craft Ramps haha.
Oh well we've had our moment. I suspect we will be middling this year.
Riewoldt retires at yrs end then we need two free agents and still have to look at getting a bit of youth on the list.
Look at what we are doing with the key defenders
Seniors Tarrant, Balta and Grimes.
Reserves Gibcus Miller Nyuon. Why are we not doining or aiming for the same sort of scenario with key fwds.
ATM Seniors Riewoldt Lynch nothing. Reserves Nada Zilch and nothing we sure are going to find a player with that lot arent we.
Atm imo we are three short for tall fwds and thats not even allowing for potential draft failures.
This is our seconds set up
H/F #### - Parker 189cm flanker. - ####
FF/ #### -#### - Ryan a ruck/fwd probably a ruckman rather than a fwd.
You can't develop them if they aren't even on the list you cannot even have failures. you cant have depth if they arent there.
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Alex may well play again who knows i really don't care either way. For us its now all about establishing players like Gibcus, Balta, Nyuon, and Miller in preparation for the next sustained finals assault. in 5 of even longer years time.
I find it funny that people are serious about us just rejigging and challenging again in two or three years time.
When we have for certain the next crop of ELITE players in place then we can talk about it yet even ELITE players need to be developed.
We have a last roll f the dice while Riewoldt, Lynch Cotchin Martin Prestia Edwards are on their last legs we dont have that quality coming thru imo.
Claw if you know your football those players don't come around to often. We did our due with this team 3 flags in 4 years back to back you stating the obvious about rejuvenation.
We have had 12 seasons under Hardwick to find two or three elite mids and just havent done it. Cotchin, Martin 09 Deledio, Edwards, were all basically here before Hardwick got started the only other elite mid to come thru has been Prestia and he was already a star when we traded for him. The only potential elite mid that has come thru in 12 seasons is Bolton. We found a few solid citizens in Baker Lambert and Graham but Baker and Lambert were basically mature recruits.
12 seasons bud that an awful lot of years to only find one potential elite mid.
Even the talls its pretty poor to think in 12 seasons under Hardwick the only tall fwd that we have successfully developed is Riewoldt and he was there in 06.. Already been forced to go out and trade for a key fwd yet we still dont have any youngsters on the list.
possibly Soldo aside the only ruckman we have actually developed is no one Nankervis was also a mature recruit.
Take Balta out and we have to go back to 09 to find a key defender that has been developed Astbury, Grimes and Rance 07.
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I could have sworn we have just won 3 premierships ..
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We will go free agency for a key forward I reckon. Lynch will play for another 3 or 4 years. So theres the 2 key forwards. We may draft one as a back up and then go for 2 or 3 quality mids in the draft. No need to panic. List is in good shape going forward imho.
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I could have sworn we have just won 3 premierships ..
In 12 seasons =75% failure rate #clawmetrics :shh
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Alex Rance has departed his part-time development role at Essendon.
Foxfooty.com.au has confirmed that Rance has stepped away from the club to focus on his business, The Academy, an education program for students.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-bombers/afl-2022-alex-rance-departs-essendon-bombers-parttime-role-announcement/news-story/bdcc1447a001f882a7412b592e3f81f8
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Alex Rance has departed his part-time development role at Essendon.
Foxfooty.com.au has confirmed that Rance has stepped away from the club to focus on his business, The Academy, an education program for students.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-bombers/afl-2022-alex-rance-departs-essendon-bombers-parttime-role-announcement/news-story/bdcc1447a001f882a7412b592e3f81f8
:lol :lol
And to think the media made it into a bigger story than it ever was, that people somehow got worked up thinking he was somehow going to make some sort of miraculous comeback either at VFL or AFL level
And now here we are..
Think the term "part time" got missed in all of this...
His "Academy" has always been his main focus. Always was and still is....
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Lol
Nekminit... Richmond re-signs former premiership hero and superstar The Tross for comeback season under supplementary selection rules.
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Can I add the Bombers made it bigger (much bigger) than it ever was
Well done Dons :wallywink
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https://www.afl.com.au/video/758306/tigers-great-rance-to-make-another-comeback
Former AFL star Alex Rance to play for battling country club Campbells Creek.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-09/alex-rance-joins-campbells-creek/101049816
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I hope the guys at Campbell’s creek have fun and get some enjoyment from playing alongside sir Alex! Sure one player isn’t going to make a club do a 180 from a 120+ point loss but I’m sure having him around the club would put some smiles on some people’s faces (and maybe boost our supporter/membership base)
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When is he coming back to punt road?
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Just to say hello?
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Saturday saw former Richmond star Alex Rance grace the field for Campbells Creek FNC in the Maryborough Castlemaine District FNL. Whilst the club has certainly needed some star power to bolster its defence in the past few weeks after some large losses, Rance headed to the other end of the ground finishing the day with three goals. However, the effort wasn’t enough as Maldon FNC ran out 92-point winners.
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/6Y922nreYiVAUlNlWN5Abe/876aaf055c42f9addb99e5ddced43a23/Rancey.jpeg)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/16/richmond-great-graces-the-field-as-former-magpie-bags-six/
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Good to see the great man watching the game in the stands with Dave last night. Guessing was there to cheer on grimesy in his 200th.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUz8o6RUsAEfsvL?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1534879358363439105
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Good to see the great man watching the game in the stands with Dave last night. Guessing was there to cheer on grimesy in his 200th.
This is really nice. Agreed
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Good to see the great man watching the game in the stands with Dave last night. Guessing was there to cheer on grimesy in his 200th.
This is really nice. Agreed
"I can't say enough about this fella."
Alex Rance pays tribute to his good mate Dylan Grimes after his 200th game last night 💛
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1535145738010648576
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With many of our champions hanging them up/coming to the end of their careers, it’s got me wondering how rance would be performing right now in comparison if he didn’t pull the pin at the start of 2020.
What does everyone think? Would he still be performing consistently at the top level, struggling to keep up with the pace of the game, battling niggling injuries……?
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Be in our top 10 players still.
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With many of our champions hanging them up/coming to the end of their careers, it’s got me wondering how rance would be performing right now in comparison if he didn’t pull the pin at the start of 2020.
What does everyone think? Would he still be performing consistently at the top level, struggling to keep up with the pace of the game, battling niggling injuries……?
I think he'd be like Grimes, still OK but slowing down and leaking more but best 22.
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He was a freak. I think he'd have slowed down slightly but would still be elite.
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Rance was in the same 2007 draft as Cotch and Tarrant. So he'd probably be like them. No longer at his peak but still playing solid enough footy with next year being his final year.
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Rance ices the game vs Goldie (marks that ball Grimes dropped), Lions (Crazy Joe never kicks that goal), Norf (would never have allowed Zurhaar to walk through that last contest to goal).
He probably cost us and himself genuine crack at flag by not playing on.
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Rance was in the same 2007 draft as Cotch and Tarrant. So he'd probably be like them. No longer at his peak but still playing solid enough footy with next year being his final year.
Think he’s a fair bit more athletic than those 2. Also don’t remember any injury history other than the freak ACL injury and what was it a motorcycle caused injury in 2015.
Obviously all that may have changed in the past 3 seasons but reckon he would have been in better touch than cotch and Tarrant based on that.
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I must have walked past this a hundred times without noticing! (I assume distracted by the snag with onion and mustard in hand.) #GoTiges
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmfjY4qaUAANxmF?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/KonradMarshall/status/1614509024736837632
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Rance's thoughts on Dimma's departure.
https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/tuesday-may-23-dimmas-done-alex-rance-joey-and-rooey/id1673652644?i=1000614084820
https://www.instagram.com/stories/alexrance/3108958427551167319/
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Tune in from 8.30pm (AEST) as we chat to Alex Rance and Zach Tuohy.
#TheFrontBar
https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676474740708372480
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Clips of Rance on The Front Bar last night:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0RnKq-aEAIp_YM?format=jpg&name=small)
Rance's retirement at the end of 2019 caught everyone by surprise.
Here's what the man himself has to say about the decision.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676559604103397377
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Can you believe Alex Rance was once Nic Nat's rover? 🤯
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676549983024336896
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The two's twos.
A place no one wants to be. Just ask Alex Rance ;D
Alex Rance hasn't missed a beat in life after footy.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676550615886073857
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"That was just a bit of a floggish moment" 😂
Alex Rance was tough on Richo, and now tough on himself!
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676551482525765633
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"Actually, you guys have taken that look off tonight!"
Alex Rance has every base covered.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676552127370653696
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He's now heading up The Academy, which is an Education and High Performance provider for secondary students.
It's a program with several unique benefits and focuses, as Alex explains.
Learn more here: http://thesportingacademy.com.au
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676554794776027137
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This could be the greatest Drip Tray yet.
You'd better believe Alex Rance came prepared ;D ;D ;D
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1676556425659817985
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Alex Rance on the Gold Coast with shock comeback rumour ‘catching fire’
Seven
6 September 2023
Rance has been linked to a wild comeback rumour after news broke that his AFL Academy schools were closing down.
Speaking on Channel 7’s new show Talking Finals, the recently retired Cotchin said Rance had moved to Queensland.
Talking Finals host James Brayshaw said the ”elephant in the room” was indeed Rance.
“Is there any chance (Hardwick) could talk him into playing?” Brayshaw asked.
Rance has three elite Academy AFL schools in Essendon, Geelong and Wangaratta, but they are shutting down with the five-time All-Australian telling families that the program was no longer “feasible”.
“So, that’s brought us to this point now where 2023 will be the final year of The Academy program,” he said in a statement.
He admitted he was devastated by the closure and cited a student drop-off during COVID and a teacher shortage as to why they had stumbled upon resource issues.
Rance was champion full-back for Richmond, a best-and-fairest winner, a club leader and a premiership player.
He retired at the end of 2019 but only managed one game that season after injuring his knee in the third quarter of the opening game.
He is only 33 now but turns 34 in October.
Cotchin didn’t rule out a shock return and said “maybe there’s a twinkling heartbeat there”.
“But the game is very hard and he is a little bit older than when he did leave it,” Cotchin said.
“In saying that, I have seen recent pictures of his rig and he is in good nick. It is just whether or not he has the appetite to do it.”
Speaking on SEN, former Melbourne great Garry Lyon said the rumours of a shock Rance return were “catching fire”.
Lyon said he had been told that Rance recently competed in a “strongman CrossFit event” and finished in the top 10.
He said he had been told Rance was still “as fit as a fiddle”.
Lyon then read a text message that had been sent to him.
“I confirm that’s the word around the Gold Coast members,” the message said.
“He’s up here now. He’s been around the club.”
Lyon’s colleague and Channel 7 commentator Tim Watson wondered if Rance had bought property in Queensland.
Lyon said: “I don’t know whether people are putting one and one together and coming up with 50.”
It was put to Lyon that coming back after a long absence was very tough, no matter how great the player was at the peak of their powers.
But Lyon pointed to defender Liam Jones, who is playing with the Western Bulldogs and sat out the 2022 season due to the AFL’s COVID vaccine policy.
“He came back pretty well .... (it was only a year) but he wasn’t Alex Rance, though,” Lyon said.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/alex-rance-and-dustin-martin-on-the-gold-coast-with-shock-comeback-rumour-catching-fire-c-11809256
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No Rance-Dimma reunion
Alex Rance is likely to move to the Gold Coast after shutting down his Melbourne-based high school but won’t be joining the Suns as a full-time employee.
The Suns are open to specialist coaching roles for the likes of Lance Franklin, and even Rance, if they wanted to help out the club’s young kids.
But Rance is 33, so despite his level of fitness, the Suns haven’t spoken to him about a shock comeback.
They are aware he is considering a full-time move north after shuttering his football-focused school The Academy.
And as the Suns consider their coaching team, they haven’t had meaningful talks with Rance about a coaching role.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-2023-all-the-latest-news-and-intel-ahead-of-the-exchange-period/news-story/165450c5abb77d3c6d855e14ddeb2cc4
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I think it’d be a bridge too far to give up freedoms and subscribe to the full time lifestyle and scrutiny of being an afl player but man I wish we had Rance around punt road to offer some leadership and guidance to our back 6
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Pretty poor by Rance.
Start up a school, promise teenagers a dream and then poo things down. Feel for kids who were enrolled and had to go elsewhere after turning their back on traditional VCE. Bit cowboy by our old mate.
Thought it was interesting we didn't see Rance at Cotch or Jack farewells. But was at Sheds.
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Rance has already been living in Brisbane.
The schools went out of business.
Great idea but needed more funding and teachers.
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The article said the academy was going ok until covid and then they never really recovered. The concept has merit but again without having first hand knowledge of what the education was like I’m reluctant to comment whether this is a blow for the kids enrolled or bullet dodged etc
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WA Football Hall of Fame Inductees
Widely regarded as the premier full-back of his generation, Alex Rance possessed all the attributes to nullify the AFL’s premier key forwards.
Standing 194cm and weighing 96kgs, Rance’s size and power made him a commanding presence in the Richmond back-line for more than a decade, earning five All-Australian jumpers during his 200-game AFL career.
Rance was born in Perth with a football pedigree, his father Murray a champion with Swan Districts, Footscray and the West Coast Eagles.
He was selected by Richmond with the club’s second selection and 18th overall at the 2007 AFL National Draft from Swan Districts.
In 2015, he confirmed his standing at the Tigers by winning the Jack Dyer Medal, the club’s best and fairest player.
Rance was a key player in Richmond’s drought breaking premiership in 2017, finishing runner-up in the club champion award behind Brownlow Medallist Dustin Martin.
But he missed the Tigers 2019 Grand Final victory over Greater Western Sydney after rupturing an anterior cruciate ligament in Round 1 of that year against Carlton.
On the verge of his eagerly awaited comeback Rance shocked the football world in December 2019 by announcing his retirement at the age of 30.
https://www.wafootball.com.au/news/24353/wa-football-hall-of-fame-inducts-first-female?a
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Alex Rance: "Something exciting coming!"
Watch here: https://www.instagram.com/p/Czc0sRZyxMq/
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Alex Rance: "Something exciting coming!"
Watch here: https://www.instagram.com/p/Czc0sRZyxMq/
Training at Heritage Bank Stadium it looks like. ;D
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(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2023/11/11/d4ed001e-bda7-4e6f-a668-20c05ffa7dab/AlexRance-Suns2.jpg?width=1064&height=600)
Alex Rance will be wearing Gold Coast colours in 2024 – but not as a player.
The former Richmond premiership full-back and five-time All-Australian will join Damien Hardwick's football department as a leadership consultant after recently moving to Queensland.
He will also work with new club partner LOOP Logics in an off-field role.
Rance, who retired at the end of 2019 after rupturing his ACL in round one that season, said developing club culture was something he was passionate about, harking back to his Tigers days.
Rance will work at the Suns two days a week and said he was undecided about whether he'd put the boots on again at any level.
"I don't know yet, we're just playing it by ear," he said.
"At this stage I enjoy my life balance that I have, but I think Dimma is leaving a rookie spot open for the mid-season draft just in case," he laughed.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1062975/richmond-tigers-hero-alex-rance-links-up-with-damien-hardwick-again-in-new-gold-coast-suns-role