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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: richmondrules on March 27, 2008, 10:21:27 AM
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I'll never coach anyone else: Wallace
IN THE final instalment of our exclusive four-part interview with Terry Wallace, the Richmond coach says he'll never coach any other club but the Tigers.
In a revealing conclusion to our series, Wallace tells Luke Holmesby that his passion for Richmond is born of the idea that the club is a sleeping giant and gets attacked so much from the outside because people don’t want it to wake up.
He says there's a fear in the competition about what would happen if Richmond got on a roll and all its passionate supporters came on board.
He said by the time his contract is up in two years he hopes Richmond will be as well equipped as any other to prepare their football division for matches and look after their players.
Read part four of the interview in full.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=56905
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I thought I would respond quickly before the usual barrage of attacks against our coach begins.
I, for one, believe TW deserves to be retained as coach for the length of his contract regardless of how we preform on the field this year. I believe he deserves to see out his plan and I believe it would folly to dismiss him part way through the process that the club has unified behind.
TW stated that he would not coach any other team - and I believe him. You may say it is because noone else will take him but I don't believe that. What he says about the club being a sleeping giant rings true and I believe, we, as passionate, frustrate and impatient supporters have caused our own demise countless times over the journey.
If our coaches had of had the confidence to rebuild in the past rather than sell of draft picks to top up to attempt to appease the media and supporters in the short term and thus save their own positions then we would have seen much more success over the journey.
The fact that we had to settle for Spud whn no other available quality coach would risk taking on the position because of our terrible coach history I believe was the final wake up call for the club. It was also the reason why Sud was allowed to see out his contract to attempt to change the culture of our club internally and preception of the external observers also.
TW has been true to his word. Besides a few minor recruiting slips he has begun to rebuild our list across the ground. Not all of them will make it but if even half do then we will become a power once again.
I have faith in TW and faith in his vision. I am proud that we have not turned on ourselves over the last few years and stuck true to our aim to redevelop. We all new there would be more pain coupled with this process. TW would have known that this was the brave and toughest path to begin, he could have taken the same tack as the majority of our other coaches did over the last 25 years but he didn't. I applaud him for that.
TW is media savy which was exactly what we needed to keep the olves at bay to allow him to undertake this process. If he had not been able to sell the message to the suporters, media and board we would have swayed by now, made a rash decision and undid all the hard work we had done.
I really DO believe TW and I really DO believe it the list he is slowly developing and regardless of what happens in the future, I know this is the right path to follow to achieve success. I feel that in would be an injustice to get rid of TW this year only to have the next coach come in a reap the rewards of all his hard work.
The board is behind him. TW is going no where.
Stripes
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Well said stripes. :clapping
One comment TW said a year or two a go was he would prefer to loose with a new bunch of young players than loose with the same old bunch of players. He had a good point and i beleive that he has done really well in changing the list.
Now it is time for his coaching of the new list a couple of years older to start winning a few.
Fingers crossed i do think that we are on the up from this season on. :gotigers :gotigers
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wallet is a alot more honest than he is given credit for.
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Great post Stripes. I got sick and tired of beating the same drum - good to read that others see it for what it really is too. The usual suspects will no doubt chime in spewing their vitriol and hatred of all things Wallace but he has shown more strength of character in his 3 years back at our club than any of his predecessors in the past 25 years. If you want to talk about culture then this guy has raised the bar within the whole club through his efforts and attitudes more than any other person. And I wasn't even a fan when he first got appointed - thought we had better options available - but I am very, very comfortable saying that I was wrong and this guy has earned every single cent we have paid him, regardless of whether he achieves ultimate success with us or not.
:thumbsup
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Stripes & Smokey...
:bow :bow :thumbsup
Well said.
Very objective and balanced - giving reasons for your views ;)
Got no problem with people not happy with the Coach, that's people right but the any arguement sits better with objective reasoning
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... good to read that others see it for what it really is too ...
Can't say I am an expert on how it really is, but you needn't worry, there are plenty who are quietly watching what is going on without feeling the need to carry on about how bad everything is.
It's easy to find evidence of the wheels falling off, it is far harder and less safe to look at a plan and speculate where the plan will ultimately lead. I have got into trouble before for stating that it is far easier to take a negative stance. If you are wrong people are too busy being happy and having warm fuzzy feelings to worry about what was said earlier and if you are right then you can crap on as if you are some sort of genius expert.
I must admit I posted this as a bit of a fishing expedition expecting to hook all the usual customers. I had a wry grin as I pressed the post button. I am pleasantly surprised to find that the first half a dozen or so comments have been positive ones.
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I could but I wont
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Sure is easy to take the negative stance. For good reason too after last season's debacle.
I'm sick to the eyeballs of reading puff pieces and verbal rhetoric. It's the 4th year, time for action Terry.
Wallace will be judged on his results.
If they are no good he will be punted. If they are good he will be kept.
It should be as simple as that.
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Sure is easy to take the negative stance. For good reason too after last season's debacle.
I'm sick to the eyeballs of reading puff pieces and verbal rhetoric. It's the 4th year, time for action Terry.
Wallace will be judged on his results.
If they are no good he will be punted. If they are good he will be kept.
It should be as simple as that.
Correct. his goal will be to win more games than he loses, anything else and out the door as far as I am concerned.
5 years at $600,000 a year, :'(
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Wallace will be judged on his results.
If they are no good he will be punted. If they are good he will be kept.
It should be as simple as that.
In the end of the day results must be assessed and someone needs to be held accountable for better or worse. I suppose it depends on your assessment of when a plan has failed and it is time to try a fresh one.
By the way MM I hope you didn't take my last post personally. I realise that your post are not always positive but I have always found you to be more realistic than anything. IMO you give credit where credit is due, but are quite happy to point out when you think things are not up to scratch. I certainly have no problem with that. :thumbsup
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By the way MM I hope you didn't take my last post personally. I realise that your post are not always positive but I have always found you to be more realistic than anything. IMO you give credit where credit is due, but are quite happy to point out when you think things are not up to scratch. I certainly have no problem with that. :thumbsup
Certainly not RROFO. 8)
I'll always try and look for the positive but won't dress up the negs either.
TBH I am afraid Terry Wallace is tipping the scales towards the wrong end after last year but there's only one way for him to address it and last Thursday night was a great start.
This might sound crazy and ambitious but if we have some luck with injuries, I am of the belief we should be aiming to make the 8.
Anything else would be a disappointment or at least it should be.
Brown, Richardson, Simmonds, Bowden, Foley, Deledio, Johnson are as good a core group of players as many teams have in the competition.
Soon enough some of those key guys won't be there and we need to make hay right now.
Can Terry get us there this year? If he can then I will believe he is a great coach.
If he can't, then after 4 years without a finals birth, he is just ordinary.
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This might sound crazy and ambitious but if we have some luck with injuries, I am of the belief we should be aiming to make the 8.
Anything else would be a disappointment or at least it should be.
Brown, Richardson, Simmonds, Bowden, Foley, Deledio, Johnson are as good a core group of players as many teams have in the competition.
Soon enough some of those key guys won't be there and we need to make hay right now.
Can Terry get us there this year? If he can then I will believe he is a great coach.
If he can't, then after 4 years without a finals birth, he is just ordinary.
You definitely have a point. I don't think it is crazy to want to make the finals. After all, what's the point of a football team if you are not playing to win. We are getting to the stage where we should be expecting finals. If it wasn't for last years complete shambles we would be absolutely demanding finals this year. It is only because we finished 16th last year that people are even considering missing the finals as an acceptable result for 2008.
From my point of view I am still trying to work out just what went wrong last year. There are a lot of theories and many different excuses but I find I have not yet got enough information to come to a conclusion I am comfortable with. In my job I deal with situations where I occasionally have to take a step back and assess that what I have been trying to do is just not working. I have to pull the plug and start again. I am not yet ready to make that call in regards to TW and the RFC. I believe it is fair to give him the agreed term, but I am 100% certain we will know the correct course of action at the end of the 5 years.
Whatever the result in regards to TW coaching I am happy that the players we have coming through are of a better quality than the players we have seen on our list in recent history. The talk of 2011 is probably realistic in terms of when our players will at the height of their powers. In this regard I do not feel we are damaging our long term prospects by showing a bit more patience at this time.
Is Terry a great coach? There is nothing to say that he is. When he was at the Bullies I always feared playing them but I never regarded them as a team likely to win the whole bloody thing. TW still has a lot to prove IMO, and I really REALLY hope he can prove it.
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Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
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Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
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i have been waiting for years to hear plough speak about the tigers with passion. he used to coach the bulldogs with passion and pride. i haven't always agreed with plough but am willing to give him his 5 years. if spud could get 5, no reason why plough cannot be allowed to fulfill his contract.
i would not be at all surprised if plough get a 2 or 3 yr extension as soon as this contract expires. its in his hands, if he keeps picking the right team week in week out i think we can win many many games this yr and more next yr. our list id definitely getting better, lets hope plough sticks to his guns
we just dont wanna see performances that resemble the nab cup, and really wanna see the boys play for the jumper and coach. if we achieve that we will achieve success
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I feel that 2008 shouldnt just be about winning and losing. Its about seeing which players are getting games, is he picking the right players, will young guys like Cotchin and Rance get some games and much needed experience, will he continue to play young players like Edwards and Conners. Can he finally get Tambling to lift, can he set up Deledio to become a 25 to 30 possession a game player predominantly in the midfield. If he does those things then we could say hes on the right track. Can he keep our losses to be "honorable losses" without major blowouts.
Also whoever coaches Richmond going forward should understand that with 2 new clubs coming into the comp, early picks are going to be like hens teeth. Does Wallace have the balls to trade a 30 year old star like Brown or a 26 year old half back like Chris Newman and get really crank up our drafting efforts in November 2008. Does he have to wherewithall to delist blokes who arent going to make it or have been mid rangers for a long time. Its a complicated question, and its not just about wins or losses.
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I, for one, believe TW deserves to be retained as coach for the length of his contract regardless of how we preform on the field this year. I believe he deserves to see out his plan and I believe it would folly to dismiss him part way through the process that the club has unified behind.
Agree with Ramps that 2008 isn’t about winning. Haven’t really cared about wins or losses for the past couple of seasons. For me it’s about improvement in players and the team. If we can see that then I have no issue with who the coach is.
I’m not one to take pot shots just because it’s easy to do, but if there’s little or no improvement after four seasons then why persist with someone for longer than is necessary, especially with an experienced coach? All we’d be doing is holding the Club back for no good reason.
The added resources will help TW, but in the long term, does he have what it takes to take the players to the level required? Guess we’ll wait and see how this season unfolds and take it from there.
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Put this topic in a time capsule and open it after say round 12 ;)
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I wanna see some improvement this year, then I will judge on what we acheive in year 5.
Like what I see in the team and the kids that will mature into a good football side.
Wins are not the be all and end all this year (sort of), it is the attitude and application of the side during games that I will be watching more so than the bottom line ..
Like to see us start to step it up in the interstae games
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This is the make or break season for Wallace. The board will decide in the second half of the year whether Wallace has what it takes to make us contenders.
When a 5 year contract is to be renegotiated, performance in the 4th year is the focus of the negotiation. Whether Wallace should stay or go is one issue to debate. Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
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For me, this year should be about establishing a stable structure and in particular a solid spine. The win/loss ratio is meaningless this year IMHO and finals is far from the realistic 2008 benchmark. While we still remain relatively injury free and finaly have some much needed depth and competition for places as a result, I would much rather prefer TW test out players in roles/positions in the first half of the year and then try and play a consistent line up for the remainder of the year.
One of the complaints that was leveled at our team last year was out lack of support for each other and unselfish play. I believe a big reason for this was that many young players were looking to claim a position in the team and thus were looking to get the ball in their hands as much as possible rather than laying the shepperd or doing the team thing. Also our players were, and still are in many instances, unfamiliar with how each other plays and how to best work together. The best way to create a team and have them play FOR each other is to have consistancy but first you have to find the best 22 players!
I struggle with the idea that TW should even feel pressure this year that he may lose his position as head coach this year. Regardless of what you think of him personally, we desperately need consistency and we deperately need to keep focused on the plan.
Right or wrong we need to see our rebuilding through and sacking TW this year even if we have another year like last, would only do us harm. If you bring in another coach now they will have to suffer through this time in our development just the same as TW is right now.
Let TW take the hits and let TW suffer through this tough time while the young players are allowed the space to develop because he has the media skills to hold back the tide.
If TW is willing to do the hard yards now and attempt to rebuild the list while knowingly laying his reputation on the line then I think it is only right to let TW see out his contract to see if in 2009 he has built a strong list. Even if you believe TW should go, terminating our coaches contract early will only help support the stereotype that we eat our own and only be detrimental to our chances of securing an excellent replacement. So regardless TW needs to see out his contract for the club, him and us.
But....If we can not make the finals in 2009 then I agree with Jackstar, it will be time for TW to go and for us to find a new coach.
I hope TW can justify my loyalty.
Stripes
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Very well said Stripes :thumbsup
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
He makes a lot more than Choco, and Williams is the first name on the list to takeover.
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Right or wrong we need to see our rebuilding through and sacking TW this year even if we have another year like last, would only do us harm. If you bring in another coach now they will have to suffer through this time in our development just the same as TW is right now.
See I just don't swallow that at all.
I don't know about you but I want to see a coach who is taking the team forward and rhetoric aside it's obvious that we went backwards last season. The results proved it. At the end of the day results are all I am interested in.
We painstakingly stuck with Danny Frawley for five years to avoid the 'eating our own' stigma and it landed us Wallace. if he is showing little more than Frawley why should he get that same guarantee? We may as well have kept Danny for 10 years. 4 years without a finals birth is just that, no matter how you slice it. Frawley at least took us to a prelim.
Stuff the stigma. Wallace has to get the runs on the board this season to keep the job in the fifth year as far as I am concerned. If he cannot start ecking out wins then someone else can have a crack at getting the most out of the talented list of kids we are largely accruing by default and Terry can go back to talking in the media.
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
He makes a lot more than Choco, and Williams is the first name on the list to takeover.
Williams has done a brilliant job at Port but somehow Im not sure our supporters would go for it
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Put this topic in a time capsule and open it after say round 12 ;)
what if by rnd 12 we are flying and cemented in the top 8 at that stage
then what will u say when the time capsule comes out?
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
He makes a lot more than Choco, and Williams is the first name on the list to takeover.
not sure how u know what coaches earn, but maybe terry has alot more to do, and more work to fulfill than choco
choco does not really need to "sell" and market his team in a 2 team city, whereas Terry has do this.
im sure terry has alot more in his job description than choco, and why is it we always pull in bigger crowds than port and have achieved record memberships under terry
no one knows what coaches are paid and exactly how many hrs they put in each week
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The grass is green.
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Put this topic in a time capsule and open it after say round 12 ;)
what if by rnd 12 we are flying and cemented in the top 8 at that stage
then what will u say when the time capsule comes out?
can assure you , we wont be flying
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we may not be flying, but u just never know
who in the afl world would have tipped the cats to win the 07 flag after their 06 season and beginning of 07
one just never knows
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Right or wrong we need to see our rebuilding through and sacking TW this year even if we have another year like last, would only do us harm. If you bring in another coach now they will have to suffer through this time in our development just the same as TW is right now.
See I just don't swallow that at all.
I don't know about you but I want to see a coach who is taking the team forward and rhetoric aside it's obvious that we went backwards last season. The results proved it. At the end of the day results are all I am interested in.
We painstakingly stuck with Danny Frawley for five years to avoid the 'eating our own' stigma and it landed us Wallace. if he is showing little more than Frawley why should he get that same guarantee? We may as well have kept Danny for 10 years. 4 years without a finals birth is just that, no matter how you slice it. Frawley at least took us to a prelim.
Stuff the stigma. Wallace has to get the runs on the board this season to keep the job in the fifth year as far as I am concerned. If he cannot start ecking out wins then someone else can have a crack at getting the most out of the talented list of kids we are largely accruing by default and Terry can go back to talking in the media.
I can see where you are coming from but Spud and TW were poles apart in there approaches.
Spud was after immediate success - he proved that when he continously sort to top up and traded off early draft picks. As we all know this is why we have the gap in our list in terms of players around the 23 -28 age bracket. When Spud finshed bottom in his last year of his contract it was so devestrating not only because of our position on the ladder but also because it was achieved with a list of mature players.
TW came in with the primary goal of rebuilding the club which is why he demanded the longer than normal contract length. He has attempted to clear out as many average players as he could and replace them with potential quality youth. TW has continued the process each year and with a few notable exceptions (Kingsley, Graham, MacMahon?) he has held to this goal and we are now starting to gain depth as a result.
The problem with rebuilding is that the process realistically will take over 7 years. TW has used Geelongs model as an example and I fear he may never see the fruits of his labour before he is expelled because of the lack of onfield success which is expected during this early phase of rebuilding.
I don't think we can realistically rate TW success with onfield wins. If we were to put that stipulations on his contract we would see a return to playing the more average but harder bodied and experienced players rather than grooming the youth. TW would be topping up the list in an attempt to save his hide like other Tiger Coaches have for the last 25 years. We need to take the pressure off TW in terms of win/loss and encourage him to get game time into the kids and experiment with the team structure/positioning. This will give us the most chance of long term success.
For us now it is all about the future and when we begin our run. We need to decide when we have the players and the strength of structure to stop making 'blooding the kids' the first priority and start making winning at all costs the goal. I don't think we are there yet and I think by making winning the primary goal now it will actually cause or chances of ultimate success harm.
We need to keep building up our list (good spread of player types), individual players (skill, confidence) and mostly depth (competition for spots).
Without a good base to build on any future opportunity to claim a flag with crumble.
IMHO TW should not be assessed on wins this year but more on list growth.
Stripes
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A big test for TW this week.
(and every week)
but I expect him to see out the next two years as coach.
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You just keep kicking goals Stripes!
:clapping
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
He makes a lot more than Choco, and Williams is the first name on the list to takeover.
not sure how u know what coaches earn, but maybe terry has alot more to do, and more work to fulfill than choco
choco does not really need to "sell" and market his team in a 2 team city, whereas Terry has do this.
im sure terry has alot more in his job description than choco, and why is it we always pull in bigger crowds than port and have achieved record memberships under terry
no one knows what coaches are paid and exactly how many hrs they put in each week
Coaches get paid for results not media appearances. Hopefully Wallace will prove this year that he is worth every cent he's made.
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I can see where you are coming from but Spud and TW were poles apart in there approaches.
Spud was after immediate success - he proved that when he continously sort to top up and traded off early draft picks. As we all know this is why we have the gap in our list in terms of players around the 23 -28 age bracket. When Spud finshed bottom in his last year of his contract it was so devestrating not only because of our position on the ladder but also because it was achieved with a list of mature players.
TW came in with the primary goal of rebuilding the club which is why he demanded the longer than normal contract length. He has attempted to clear out as many average players as he could and replace them with potential quality youth. TW has continued the process each year and with a few notable exceptions (Kingsley, Graham, MacMahon?) he has held to this goal and we are now starting to gain depth as a result.
The problem with rebuilding is that the process realistically will take over 7 years. TW has used Geelongs model as an example and I fear he may never see the fruits of his labour before he is expelled because of the lack of onfield success which is expected during this early phase of rebuilding.
I don't think we can realistically rate TW success with onfield wins. If we were to put that stipulations on his contract we would see a return to playing the more average but harder bodied and experienced players rather than grooming the youth. TW would be topping up the list in an attempt to save his hide like other Tiger Coaches have for the last 25 years. We need to take the pressure off TW in terms of win/loss and encourage him to get game time into the kids and experiment with the team structure/positioning. This will give us the most chance of long term success.
For us now it is all about the future and when we begin our run. We need to decide when we have the players and the strength of structure to stop making 'blooding the kids' the first priority and start making winning at all costs the goal. I don't think we are there yet and I think by making winning the primary goal now it will actually cause or chances of ultimate success harm.
We need to keep building up our list (good spread of player types), individual players (skill, confidence) and mostly depth (competition for spots).
Without a good base to build on any future opportunity to claim a flag with crumble.
IMHO TW should not be assessed on wins this year but more on list growth.
Stripes
I think you are being very kind to Terry when comparing him with Spud so far.
Wallace seems to have adopted a 'youth policy' only since just before the 157 point drubbing of Geelong last year when Gaspar was punted.
Before that I am not convinced his 'plan' was taking us anywhere and would go so far as to suggest he wasted much of the first two years of his tenure in taking the direction he did.
No doubt in my mind he was hoping we'd sneak into the 8 in '07 with the likes of washed up vets Gaspar & Kingsley holding down KPs.
However after we lost the first 5 games of '07 and things were getting desperate, I believe he fortunately he had an epiphany.
When it was apparent the senior players couldn't take us any further(finals), Terry got tough. He started to turn up the heat.
Fair enough it was about time, well overdue IMO.
In Wallace's 1st season he said publicly that unlike the Dawks we weren't going for a youth policy because we wanted to reward our senior players by playing finals footy ASAP. Rebuilding completely ala the Hawks was not the objective Wallace because he didn't want 'to bottom out' :rollin and was following the Geelong model. Whatever that means. When you win a wooden spoon it makes comments like that seem foolish:-\
These initial 'plans' are a pretty clear indication that he overrated the list and his coaching abilities.
Sure he trimmed off some dead wood from the fringes but he also brought some back with him.
I don't think he made the tough decisions required on the core of this team early enough and TBH up until this point has still made few genuinely hard decisions. Most have been retirements.
terry was just as interested in getting us to the finals as quickly as possible just as Frawley did before him. The only key difference is that we held onto most of our first round draft picks. At least we did in 2004. Only 3 picks in 2005 was a joke and that draft has been a shocker so far. 2006 we downgraded for Polak which has been moderately successful.
Personally when he was signed I would have thought he was given 3 years to rebuild the list and 5 for a genuine shot at the title but as it's gone along it seems to have evolved into a 5 year rebuild. :rollin This is largely because much of the first two years was wasted with finishes in 9th & 10th place for the reasons mentioned above. Low finishes would have been fine in years 1 & 2 during a rebuild but not in years 3 & 4.
I'll give terry credit that he at least saw the error of his ways and when things got desperate last season he bit the bullet and changed his 'plan'.
Still I just worry that he's really just shifting the goal posts along the way with his quick wit and slick voice to keep supporters like yourself happy.
I do agree that he needs to get the list showing considerable improvement this year and with virtually a full list to choose from(unlike last year) he needs to win plenty of games as well.
We spent a lot of money on this guy because we no doubt believed(hoped) his 'plan' would bring ultimate success and that's why we gave him 5 years.
He is under the pump IMO because that 'plan' he initially had in place has changed and that makes him vulnerable.
I am happy with some of the kids we are getting(largely by default) but I am not convinced Wallace is the best we can do as coach.
If he does not get results out of the list this season and we continue to wallow at the bottom, then someone else can have a crack.
No guarantees for Terry Wallace.
No guarantees about the future.
He knows we need to start winning and we need to start winning now.
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Great post Mr Magic :clapping
Much of what you articulated made a lot of sense.
I agree that TW let his ego get in the way particularly during his first season at the helm. He did this on the back of renewed enthusiasm and motivation from our more senior players. Unfortunately all this achieved, as you rightly stated, was the same ultimately ladder results that we seemed to have stalled on for years.
In retrospect, TW did the club and himself no favours by motivating the team and coaching the existing players as well as he did in the first year of his tenure. It would have been better in many ways to leave Spud at the reins for another year, use the draft picks wisely and then bring in another coach but then again hindsight is a wonderful thing is it not. :rollin
Spud did us no favours. He coached from the heart but ultimately he did nothing but harm to our great club. In fact I would argue that our agonisingly small stint in the finals in 2001 and Spud's (and the other administrators at the time) decisions on the back of this, has set us back potentially 10 years on where we could have been. Comparing TW to Spud IMO is certainly doing TW no favours. :help
TW always openly stated that he was going to follow the Geelong model and gather a group of talented young players together around a similiar age and breed our own stars. Geelong didn't need to 'bottom out' like Hawthorn or as we ultimately have done because, while they were rebuilding, they still had the more senior players at the club to compete. We didn't and still don't in many instances.
We have some quality if somewhat inconsistant stars on our list. Many of these have been injury riddled over the last two years most notably Browny and Simmonds. These stars actually allowed us to be semi-competitive and even appear a stronger team than the reality during the first two seasons of TW contract but when these players were injuried the truth soon became apparent. We don't have the depth plain and simple. Below the top players we have nothing but evolving youth. We have no mid-age and ability players. Whose fault is that? Not TW, you can blame him for any players recruited to the side in the last 3 years but the whole in the list was inherited.
Unlike Geelong we had no depth at all so unlike Geelong when injuries, retirements and poor form struck our senior players we had no one to step up. Until this void can be filled in 2 -5 years we are forced to rely upon our aging stars and the few young players that advance ahead of schedule.
The worst thing is because our younger talented players have little to no support from above they have to absorb the tags, defenders and general responsibility that in other teams would have been taken by the older players, so this makes our younger players appear to be underpreforming when in reality they are far from.
Harping back on the Geelong model, the reason TW did not attempt to blood the youth immediately was because the Cats had the luxury of allowing their 18-20 years olds time to play together in the reserves for years to gain the size, skills, confidence and awareness of each others game before they were elevated because they still had depth to their list. Last year it became a necessity to elevate players many before they were ready. It was also the reason why we went so poorly.
TW has made mistakes, warranted but he has always recruited and sought to strengthen our list with talented youth. This is not a recent phenomenia but I grant you giving them more game time is. TW did not start on this tack last year, he has been recruiting and rebuilding from the moment he began.
I don't believe he has 'shifted the goal posts' to keep supporters like me :lol happy. In fact he was too honest at the beginning of last year when he set mentioned the timeframe where he believed we were most likely to begin being successful and when were potentially could start to have prolonged success. Many in the media and supporters crutified him for this when he could have jsut remained quiet and continously did exactly as you said, shift the targets each year. He was realistic and he was up front which he has done again in this article and all he as recieved for it is sceptism and scorn. Ironic really. :-[
I agree that there is no garrentees about our future success or even if TW will last out the year but I think you can almost garrentee that what TW has done, and is doing, will give us some hope, some chance of success and ulimately some restored pride in the club. Something we have been lacking for far too long.
TW is building up our list but without the support above it is unrealistic to expect success in the short term and I think it is unfair to assess TW contract and ability as a coach on our preformance this year.
As supporters we have a history of being impatient but if we are to not be our own worst enemy and derail all the hard work we have done over the last few years, then wait some more we must. For I don't believe we will be a successful club and even challenge for the finals consistently for 2/3 years...and that's being optomistic :( and that is not TW fault plain and simple.
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Some really good posts in this thread.
Can I throw up a scenario.
Say you're running a business and it's losing $2 million dollars a year. What do you do ? Sack everyone and lose all your existing customers, or make sure you keep your exisiting customers and try and change your business model little by little so that you can continue to make money and trade yourself out of trouble.
This 3 later look back at TW only looks at the list and rarely if ever takes into account all the events at the time of 2004/05. We had just lost $2 million. We were nearly $5 mill in debt. Our business plan had to be approved by the AFL. I've always viewed year one and two of TW's tenure of being slightly (maybe a lot) hamstrung by that financial legacy and the board, CEO and TW knowing taht tehy needed to get the club fiscally secure. In 2005 we couldn't have done the bigger clean out for a number of reasons. We needed to play well to get the club profitable (break even in the end). Had we won the wooden spoon again in 2005 with the financial loss that would have gone with that at that time, then we would be the financial basket case club that the Dees, North etc are. I believe that the board and SW decided that we needed some interim success and get some financial stability. This in my mind has curtailed TW's long term aim.
Some of you guys call it spin. i just see TW selling the club. By helping with that, TW helsp get a profitable club that can finally get him the support staff he knows he needs. Finally at the start of year four our footy dept spend is getting close to competitive to the rest of the AFL. He's got development coaches (I rate McRae) he's got a list manager and recruiting head and recruiters. He/we didn't have those in 2004/05. On the recruiting front it was just Miller and FJ for the last few weeks of 2005 on pretty much a handshake.
I've never heard TW complain or whinge about this. Yet all of the above has definitely hindered his ability to execute to a preferred (more drastic) plan.
Given a profitable club, with the ability to invest in the areas that board and TW agree are needed, I believe that TW deserves to be judged on 2008 and 2009 alone. If, in these two years, we show improvement in playing style, commitment and results I would extend TW's contract.
When we review history I feel you must review all the elements in their context. Just my opinion.
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I don't believe he has 'shifted the goal posts' to keep supporters like me :lol happy. In fact he was too honest at the beginning of last year when he set mentioned the timeframe where he believed we were most likely to begin being successful and when were potentially could start to have prolonged success. Many in the media and supporters crutified him for this when he could have jsut remained quiet and continously did exactly as you said, shift the targets each year. He was realistic and he was up front which he has done again in this article and all he as recieved for it is sceptism and scorn. Ironic really. :-[
I will give Terry credit for that, perhaps he had started his youth policy a few weeks earlier but the Kingsley recruitment was in contrast with what he was saying as was keeping Gas for another year. That happens too much. He likes a bob each way does Terry.
He was hung, drawn and quartered for being a little too honest but I think he mainly copped the grief because supporters largely thought(probably unrealistically) things were on track for finals in '08 on the back of 9th in 2006. Does '9th with a bullet' ring any bells? ;)
Terry's '2011' announcement blew any finals hopes largely out of the water on the verge of the coming season with the media and supporters, who probably thought success was more imminent than his frank projections indicated. I think it rubbed a few senior players too who probably were expecting finals action after the comment earlier about owing them.
There have been a few too many mixed messages from Wallace I am afraid to fully believe that his blueprint for success is on schedule and I think that's primarily where I have lost some of the faith. Not all mind you but a lot of it.
The honeymoon is over and Wallace has got to NOT ONLY get improvement out of the kids and win games to keep his job.
I'll be very happy if he sticks to the youth policy now that he has introduced it but he needs to be consistant which hasn't been a strength.
That will start with not playing Tiva this weekend.
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whats with all the essays, only if i had time to read them all. will try on the w/e if i have time
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I don't believe he has 'shifted the goal posts' to keep supporters like me :lol happy. In fact he was too honest at the beginning of last year when he set mentioned the timeframe where he believed we were most likely to begin being successful and when were potentially could start to have prolonged success. Many in the media and supporters crutified him for this when he could have jsut remained quiet and continously did exactly as you said, shift the targets each year. He was realistic and he was up front which he has done again in this article and all he as recieved for it is sceptism and scorn. Ironic really. :-[
I will give Terry credit for that, perhaps he had started his youth policy a few weeks earlier but the Kingsley recruitment was in contrast with what he was saying as was keeping Gas for another year. That happens too much. He likes a bob each way does Terry.
He was hung, drawn and quartered for being a little too honest but I think he mainly copped the grief because supporters largely thought(probably unrealistically) things were on track for finals in '08 on the back of 9th in 2006. Does '9th with a bullet' ring any bells? ;)
Terry's '2011' announcement blew any finals hopes largely out of the water on the verge of the coming season with the media and supporters, who probably thought success was more imminent than his frank projections indicated. I think it rubbed a few senior players too who probably were expecting finals action after the comment earlier about owing them.
There have been a few too many mixed messages from Wallace I am afraid to fully believe that his blueprint for success is on schedule and I think that's primarily where I have lost some of the faith. Not all mind you but a lot of it.
The honeymoon is over and Wallace has got to NOT ONLY get improvement out of the kids and win games to keep his job.
I'll be very happy if he sticks to the youth policy now that he has introduced it but he needs to be consistant which hasn't been a strength.
That will start with not playing Tiva this weekend.
I think Tiv will be looked at but Hyde will be selected over Edwards.
Am I happy about it - no, I would much prefer to see Polo (if fit) or even Morton (if he has the engine) but I think TW is looking to replace Johnson with experience. While he is just an honest toiler while Edwards and the like are potential great players they are still developing and TW has got the message this year, unfortunately , from the media and some impatient supporters - win some game this year or the pressure will be well and truly on you!
Disappointing really because if he did not have this scrutany (sp?) he would continue playing the kids for the future rather than just looking to win for the present. Who can blame him though, he needs to appease the public or he will never get another opportunity to continue to rebuild.
That is why we need to support TW because love or loath him if he feels that his job is on the line then he will start coaching for the present which may give us some short term gain but will only serve to delay the rebuilding process. He needs to be allowed to see out his plan.
Unfortunately with the Media scrutiny I think he feels he has no other choice so expect less young players to be given game time in the first half of the year and more players like Hyde getting more than their fair share.
Edit - I just saw one-eyes official team and Tiv has been excluded by Hyde has been included so that leads me to think that TW is keeping to his plan but could also mean he, like you said, is having a bid each way.
whatever the reason I'm just happy he chose Polo over Tiv. :thumbsup
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I feel that 2008 shouldnt just be about winning and losing. Its about seeing which players are getting games, is he picking the right players, will young guys like Cotchin and Rance get some games and much needed experience, will he continue to play young players like Edwards and Conners. Can he finally get Tambling to lift, can he set up Deledio to become a 25 to 30 possession a game player predominantly in the midfield. If he does those things then we could say hes on the right track. Can he keep our losses to be "honorable losses" without major blowouts.
Also whoever coaches Richmond going forward should understand that with 2 new clubs coming into the comp, early picks are going to be like hens teeth. Does Wallace have the balls to trade a 30 year old star like Brown or a 26 year old half back like Chris Newman and get really crank up our drafting efforts in November 2008. Does he have to wherewithall to delist blokes who arent going to make it or have been mid rangers for a long time. Its a complicated question, and its not just about wins or losses.
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Put this topic in a time capsule and open it after say round 12 ;)
hehehe right on kew
just like last year right :bow :bow :sleep
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
what a joke ::)
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Put this topic in a time capsule and open it after say round 12 ;)
what if by rnd 12 we are flying and cemented in the top 8 at that stage
then what will u say when the time capsule comes out?
can assure you , we wont be flying
well as a richmond hater it would only be natural that you hope we are :wallywink
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Blaisee, must be Kerryn Wallace ::)
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Blaisee, must be Kerryn Wallace ::)
Jackstar must be...
Who am I kidding IDGAF who Jackstar is.
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Some really good posts in this thread.
Can I throw up a scenario.
Say you're running a business and it's losing $2 million dollars a year. What do you do ? Sack everyone and lose all your existing customers, or make sure you keep your exisiting customers and try and change your business model little by little so that you can continue to make money and trade yourself out of trouble.
This 3 later look back at TW only looks at the list and rarely if ever takes into account all the events at the time of 2004/05. We had just lost $2 million. We were nearly $5 mill in debt. Our business plan had to be approved by the AFL. I've always viewed year one and two of TW's tenure of being slightly (maybe a lot) hamstrung by that financial legacy and the board, CEO and TW knowing taht tehy needed to get the club fiscally secure. In 2005 we couldn't have done the bigger clean out for a number of reasons. We needed to play well to get the club profitable (break even in the end). Had we won the wooden spoon again in 2005 with the financial loss that would have gone with that at that time, then we would be the financial basket case club that the Dees, North etc are. I believe that the board and SW decided that we needed some interim success and get some financial stability. This in my mind has curtailed TW's long term aim.
Some of you guys call it spin. i just see TW selling the club. By helping with that, TW helsp get a profitable club that can finally get him the support staff he knows he needs. Finally at the start of year four our footy dept spend is getting close to competitive to the rest of the AFL. He's got development coaches (I rate McRae) he's got a list manager and recruiting head and recruiters. He/we didn't have those in 2004/05. On the recruiting front it was just Miller and FJ for the last few weeks of 2005 on pretty much a handshake.
I've never heard TW complain or whinge about this. Yet all of the above has definitely hindered his ability to execute to a preferred (more drastic) plan.
Given a profitable club, with the ability to invest in the areas that board and TW agree are needed, I believe that TW deserves to be judged on 2008 and 2009 alone. If, in these two years, we show improvement in playing style, commitment and results I would extend TW's contract.
When we review history I feel you must review all the elements in their context. Just my opinion.
Can tell you the number of staff in the footy dept hasnt changed since 2004/2005
they actually havent replaced Jade Rawlings who's major role is at coburg this year and after several attempts to get back Mick Mcgaune at the start of the year, which wasnt successful as Mick knocked them back
In regards to $$$$$. terry is extremely well paid to other coaches considering has hasnt really had a sucessfull coaching career and ended up leaving the bulldogs on bitter terms.
We have unfortunately paid over the odds for Wallet. the reported $600,000 a season plus other money he makes through sportman nights and other appearances makes him extremely overpaid for someone who has yet to deliver. if we continue to unsuccessful this year and dont play finals, we have basically spent $2.4million on a coach taking us no where. Terry to me isnt an inspiring person who I dont beleive cant make a group of players determined enough to ""run through walls"" I look at coaches like Brian Goorgjann who coached the Sydney kings this year in basketball, he is a genius as a coach, someone who can inspire sportspeople to perform at there best.
Whats of real interest in coaching at the elite level is the "'spike effect"" when a coach TAKES OVER MID YEAR and gets immediate impact and won games ( who could forget the year the Geisch took over-we finshed 1 game out of the finals) Why ? A different voice perhaps ? Different game plan ? Yep Geisch had that. Or do the players really fear that there career $$$ is really on the line as someone else has lost there job-the coach. Unfortuantely I dont beleive the players at our club play like every game is there last game. its no secret that i was involved for a number of years and on face value I was really surprised at the level of overall commitment that players showed to the club and the jumper.
Guys like Tim flemming did play like it was the last game and he was shown the door through lack of ability.. Its up to the coach to instill a lot of mongrel in a team of sportsman who will run through"' brick walls"" . If you look at the brisbane and West Coast models over the past decade, they do have a common theme through the entire football clubs, the coaches coached like it was there last game and on face value were tough taskmasters. The last time as a club we were successful was in a period where we as a club dedictated what happen on the ground due to the fact the club as a whole was mentality tough, instigated from the Coach with the support of senior people at the club.
if you look at Brisbane winning 3 flags in a row and playing in 4 finals, Leigh had quality hard people by his side.. They spend one or two years out of the finals and guess what, they are on there way back to playing finals , possisbly in 2008. they have some quality young players who are hard at it who LEIGH has recuited accordingly.
Would think the first 12 rounds will be make or break for wallet this year. I dont beleive he has the necessary structure around him thus I believe he is more likely to be unsucessful than successful. Reading between the lines in his recent interview that in todays paper, I reckon he might be getting a bit sick of coaching, thus if not successful he wouldnt coach anywhere else as reality is, he wouldnt get another position in the AFL.
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Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Agreed, Moi
Sick of the coach bashing that has been going on, and has happened even when we have good seasons. Sick of hearing about wealthy business men not keen to put a name to it and offering to pay out a coaches contract. We`ve had some of the best coaches(walls, jeans, northey) and been unable to produce anything. Terry is the man we have to stick with, there is no one else better and there is plenty worse. And , yes, i don`t believe sheedy is better, he`s time is past
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I agree Go Richo 12. We achieve nothing by sticking the knives into our own. Even if you don'e support TW as a coach you must support what he is trying to do. Wins are meaningless if they don't pave the way to ultimate success. I don't want a flash in the pan season. I want prolonged success and I want more than one shot at the flag. If this means some pain while we build a strong list then so be it but I'm tired of continually chopping and changing plans and coaches.
We need to allow TW to see out his plan and take the pressure off so he can play the kids and not make the same mistakes that our other coaches have been forced into making by attempting to save their hides by trading draft picks and playing average older players rather than grooming potential talent.
I just see some of us can not learn from the past and can not look beyond the moment. The time for 'eating our own' is over, we need to start to become loyal and unify as a strong club if we are ever to become successful again.
I don't know about you but if TW can help build a list that will allow me to finally be arrogant and unashamably proud of the yellow and black again, I don't care who is is or what he has done... I will support him unconditionally.
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Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Agreed, Moi
Sick of the coach bashing that has been going on, and has happened even when we have good seasons. Sick of hearing about wealthy business men not keen to put a name to it and offering to pay out a coaches contract. We`ve had some of the best coaches(walls, jeans, northey) and been unable to produce anything. Terry is the man we have to stick with, there is no one else better and there is plenty worse. And , yes, i don`t believe sheedy is better, he`s time is past
Wealthy people don't offer to pay out a coach's contract and expect nothing in return.
You gotta wonder what else could they want.
I don't like the idea of being indebted to any individual.
The club is made up of many people, not just the elite like Jack's mates in the President's Club ::)
If they want to help the club, put money into new facilities, new development personnel etc etc etc etc etc.
This is the only thing that will help the club, not sniping and stabbing people in the back every minute of every day.
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so many good posts on this topic, and many that are valid in their explanations if only we all knew the real goings on at the RFC on why certain decisions are/have been made.
reading between the lines just doesnt cut it.
its important that "best practices " are put in place for whom ever takes on job to lift this mighty club out of the mire it has been in since 82.
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Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
He makes a lot more than Choco, and Williams is the first name on the list to takeover.
Williams has done a brilliant job at Port but somehow Im not sure our supporters would go for it
I've heard this Williams rumour before too and if anyone at Richmond believes Mark Williams will voluntarily quit Port to coach us then they are seriously deluded. Why would he leave a club he would die for and that his legendary dad Fos coached to 5 straight SANFL flags. The Williams family is Port Adelaide. The idea is laughable.
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I don't think the claim that Wallace didn't start the youth policy until last year is correct. He started it from day 1 and tried to also add a bit of balance by way of filling a couple of holes to try to make what was a rabble competitive.
I'm not a stats person but I'd be surprised if they didn't support that he has leant towards youth from the start.
I want Richmond to build to playing regular finals again. I also want see them now with the best side playing each week. At the moment, that's players like Hyde over Edwards. Hopefully that will soon change because it should mean we are improving but until it does I want to go to watch the likes of Hyde give us the best chance of winning now. I don't see the point in bothering to go watch if the best presently available side is not being played. (Tanking, anyone?)
I'm excited about the young talent coming through. We have an affiliation with Coburg where they can develop. That's where I want to see them play until such time as they force their way into the Richmond side. They will develop and build experience once earning a spot in the Richmond side but they shouldn't get that spot over a more experienced player until they are at least that player's equal.
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I don't think the claim that Wallace didn't start the youth policy until last year is correct. He started it from day 1 and tried to also add a bit of balance by way of filling a couple of holes to try to make what was a rabble competitive.
I'm not a stats person but I'd be surprised if they didn't support that he has leant towards youth from the start.
I want Richmond to build to playing regular finals again. I also want see them now with the best side playing each week. At the moment, that's players like Hyde over Edwards. Hopefully that will soon change because it should mean we are improving but until it does I want to go to watch the likes of Hyde give us the best chance of winning now. I don't see the point in bothering to go watch if the best presently available side is not being played. (Tanking, anyone?)
I'm excited about the young talent coming through. We have an affiliation with Coburg where they can develop. That's where I want to see them play until such time as they force their way into the Richmond side. They will develop and build experience once earning a spot in the Richmond side but they shouldn't get that spot over a more experienced player until they are at least that player's equal.
Great post Fishfinger! I completely agree with everything you said. If we can develop depth and competition for places then we will then start to see some on field success and start to develop our youth without giving them too much unnecessary responibility too early in their careers. Worked for Geelong and we all know that TW has modelled our redevelopment on them. Without so many injuries TW may actual have an opportunity to allow the up and comers time in the reserves to develop.
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Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
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oh well if terry gets sacked jade nay be the next boom young coach, seems pretty good to me at this stage
very impressed with his coaching thus far
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Yep X. You can see at quarter time why Coburg were impressed with him.
Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
A group isn't an individual ;). In any case do they have some magical potion to add 4-5 years of experience onto our cubs in an instant. The good ol' backroom boys thinking they are gods yet having no idea as usual :sleep.
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Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
really jackstar. :whistle..i know someones blowing it out their ass and it aint Steve Wright.
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
He makes a lot more than Choco, and Williams is the first name on the list to takeover.
Williams has done a brilliant job at Port but somehow Im not sure our supporters would go for it
I've heard this Williams rumour before too and if anyone at Richmond believes Mark Williams will voluntarily quit Port to coach us then they are seriously deluded. Why would he leave a club he would die for and that his legendary dad Fos coached to 5 straight SANFL flags. The Williams family is Port Adelaide. The idea is laughable.
So Williams goal in life is to follow in the footsteps of Sheedy and coach one club forever.
You sound pretty sure of yourself there Miller Time.
Other people think he has a pretty volatile relationship with his club and major sponsor(s) and would have been sacked by now had he not brought home a premiership
I doubt Williams is a one club coach. Richmond may or may not be the next club he coaches but footy is a funny game and Richmond also wasnt the next club Wallace had in mind when he quit the Dogs either.
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Yep X. You can see at quarter time why Coburg were impressed with him.
Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
A group isn't an individual ;). In any case do they have some magical potion to add 4-5 years of experience onto our cubs in an instant. The good ol' backroom boys thinking they are gods yet having no idea as usual :sleep.
If they have so much to offer, why the secrecy?
Come out and tell us what they plan, who they are and let's just stop the bulllshiit.
Becoming pretty boring second year in a row all this stuff :sleep
If they've got something to offer, let's just hear it.
Instead they prefer to operate like cowards just trying to cause trouble within the club for no good reason.
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Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
really jackstar. :whistle..i know someones blowing it out their ass and it aint Steve Wright.
Crap post because the meeting did happen
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Yep X. You can see at quarter time why Coburg were impressed with him.
Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
A group isn't an individual ;). In any case do they have some magical potion to add 4-5 years of experience onto our cubs in an instant. The good ol' backroom boys thinking they are gods yet having no idea as usual :sleep.
If they have so much to offer, why the secrecy?
Come out and tell us what they plan, who they are and let's just stop the bulllshiit.
Becoming pretty boring second year in a row all this stuff :sleep
If they've got something to offer, let's just hear it.
Instead they prefer to operate like cowards just trying to cause trouble within the club for no good reason.
Another crap post. There was a meeting with the board.
Why should they tell nobodies of meetings with board members ::) ::)
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Are you saying Jack they would refer to the members as nobodies?
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Are you saying Jack they would refer to the members as nobodies?
What happens at board level stays there,why should people like you know about it and end up posting the details on the internet ::) :banghead
I know very little details as I have NO involvement .
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Are you saying Jack they would refer to the members as nobodies?
What happens at board level stays there,why should people like you know about it and end up posting the details on the internet ::) :banghead
I know very little details as I have NO involvement .
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So it's all bullshiit as usual ::)
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Are you saying Jack they would refer to the members as nobodies?
What happens at board level stays there,why should people like you know about it and end up posting the details on the internet ::) :banghead
I know very little details as I have NO involvement .
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So it's all bullshiit as usual ::)
You beleive what you want . its a free world you know
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Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
really jackstar. :whistle..i know someones blowing it out their ass and it aint Steve Wright.
absolute crap again from jackstar.
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Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
really jackstar. :whistle..i know someones blowing it out their ass and it aint Steve Wright.
absolute crap again from jackstar.
On cue you tool! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Whether he should continue to be the highest paid coach in the AFL is something I doubt anyone on the board agrees with.
Hmm....
I don't think he is the highest paid coach in the AFL
He makes a lot more than Choco, and Williams is the first name on the list to takeover.
Williams has done a brilliant job at Port but somehow Im not sure our supporters would go for it
I've heard this Williams rumour before too and if anyone at Richmond believes Mark Williams will voluntarily quit Port to coach us then they are seriously deluded. Why would he leave a club he would die for and that his legendary dad Fos coached to 5 straight SANFL flags. The Williams family is Port Adelaide. The idea is laughable.
So Williams goal in life is to follow in the footsteps of Sheedy and coach one club forever.
You sound pretty sure of yourself there Miller Time.
Other people think he has a pretty volatile relationship with his club and major sponsor(s) and would have been sacked by now had he not brought home a premiership
I doubt Williams is a one club coach. Richmond may or may not be the next club he coaches but footy is a funny game and Richmond also wasnt the next club Wallace had in mind when he quit the Dogs either.
Just say I know someone who knows Williams personally. He won't leave Port voluntarily whether Allan Scott likes it or not. Anyway from memory Scott isn't a major sponsor of Port anymore and club wasn't unhappy to see him gone ;). Like I said more wishful thinking by the ol' Richmond backroom boys :wallywink.
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A better definition of wishful thinking was Greg Miller as the saviour of the RFC
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Terry Wallace -Tiger Forever.
Dish up the same crap we seen this evening, Centrelink bound by round 12.
FFS.
Where is Joel Bowden playing these days? does anyone know ? Or even better , someone please tell Joel as I dont reckon he knows.
Now, Jordon McMahon, was recuited as a "" run and carry"" half back.
Played at least 50% of the game as a hit up half forward. 25% on the bench. Might add that on occassions he does gain possesion through zoning off his direct opponent his first option is to handball :gobdrop
You cannot play Lids and Brown both inside F 50 at the same time when we are getting SMASHED at centre bouncers, oh dear.
And then he goes and put Lids off half back,
After 3 years and 2 games, Wallet has little idea where to play LIDS.
Easy,he has the skills of a Chris Judd, Lids is an onballer Wallet, not a bit player inside 5o or ran off half back.
I could go on and on and on.
Pettifer :banghead
Tuck :banghead
And talk about slaughting Jake King , Corey Jones is a classy hit up half forward, a blind person could see that is wasnt the right match up, Raines wasnt either
We are extremely poorly coached, anyone with half a brain can see that, what about when Jake King was running with the ball in third quarter going inside 50, poor kid and no idea what to do with it, not the kids fault but the coaches, This is very easy, TWO OPTIONS, Kick to top of square or honour the hit up lead. NAH, all too hard, kicks a mongel punt that lands in no mans land,
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You are nothing if not predictable Jack. ::)
I was wondering how long it would take and what tack you would take....
Terrfic that you haven't let yourself down
I could go on and on and on.
Sadly you do go on and on about the same things over and over :banghead :banghead
You hate Terry Wallace - OK we go that ... don't think anyone missed it....
but would it be so hard for you to acknowledge once just once in this decade that some blame should actually be apportioned to a few of the players for their half heareted efforts... NOPE because that would mean you couldn't bag Wallace...
As I said so preditable
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Cannot have Deledio and Brown playing in the fwd line when we are getting smashed in the clearances and the ball is spasmodically going into the fwd line.
Deledio move to the midfield was done 2 quarters to late well after the damage was done and a 46 point margin at 3 qt time was too much to overcome. Just was outcoached and out thought by a team who although not much better skilled than us.
Overall if he had coached us better we may have been a chance to win yet his delayed moves and lack of a plan B sold us short. Should have thrown Kingy up fed 20 mins into the 1st quarter and had Moore on Jones. Just try something Terry.
Just hope he does not start as he did in Rd 19 last yr with Lids in the fwd line and Polak at CHF next week as the Pies will be ready for that and we might be embarassed and chasing the game from early on.
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Told you all before, he cant coach. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Lids went to half back before going onto the ball
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Lots of good posts :clapping
Loopy Crackers Keenan reckons in I.F. he's heard Wallace is on $800k a year (he also says he doesn't believe it) and that last week the "rumour mill" was saying a wealthy individual at Richmond would foot the bill to pay him out if he didn't do better this year. By winning Plough's kept the wolves from the door and a few more wins will have everyone smiling at Tigerland.
Why doesn't this so and so just donate the money towards facilities for the club if he wants to see improvement ::)
Probably because this "wealthy individual" sounds like a figment of someone's imagination. How many times have we heard of some mysterious wealthy Richmond person bailing out the club over the years and yet nothing happens :sleep.
Can tell you it is NOT a figment of someone,s imagination.
Why dont you going and ask Steve Wright next time you see him and ask him if he was approached by a ""group"" over pre-season :shh
really jackstar. :whistle..i know someones blowing it out their ass and it aint Steve Wright.
Crap post because the meeting did happen
really i think the info you have recieved was third hand at best. :lol
this is why certain people tell you things mate they know you cant kept your trap shut, even when it isnt half true. :clapping
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You are nothing if not predictable Jack. ::)
I was wondering how long it would take and what tack you would take....
Terrfic that you haven't let yourself down
I could go on and on and on.
Sadly you do go on and on about the same things over and over :banghead :banghead
You hate Terry Wallace - OK we go that ... don't think anyone missed it....
but would it be so hard for you to acknowledge once just once in this decade that some blame should actually be apportioned to a few of the players for their half heareted efforts... NOPE because that would mean you couldn't bag Wallace...
As I said so preditable
I think the players only play how they are told.
Can also say the game plan is extremely poor and players are repeated played ""out of position"" Really Jordon McMahon as a ""hit up forward"" for half ::)please!
And when you have worked out where Joel is playing, you might want to tell him as well, as it looks like he is completely lost.
It not the players fault if the 2 marquee players( brown and Lids) played inside forward 50 when we are getting smashed in the centre clearances. ::)
WP, I think you can see that.
We overuse the ball something shocking at that is a coaches fault , not the players, some team have rules that are simple , one handball than kick. Us, we just handball into trouble, something that has happened for the past 3 years, Just ask poor Andrew Raines after today.
The interchange usuage today was appallling, why on eartth after 30 secs into a quarter you are doing multiple interchanges ::) Actaully set behind the interchange today and can tell the players had no idea on occcasions who they we picking up. At one stage we took 3 off at once :lol It was laughable as the opposition had 3 players unchecked at the one time
I dont hate Terry, i just dont think he can coach. He hasnt shown he can coach can he, Premierships ???? Can some tell me how many? The silence is deafening
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Oh great! This topic that was a bit of fireball last year is back again!
Jackstar is right about the discussions and meetings that have taken place behind the scenes regarding financial injections into the club that have stringent conditions behind them regarding the key personel at the club at all levels.
Whether it happens mid season or the end or even next year remains in the hands of these people.
I feel that we should all focus on the club on field performances each week and not get into more of the silly feuding that took place in this forum last year. :)
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You are nothing if not predictable Jack. ::)
I was wondering how long it would take and what tack you would take....
Terrfic that you haven't let yourself down
I could go on and on and on.
Sadly you do go on and on about the same things over and over :banghead :banghead
You hate Terry Wallace - OK we go that ... don't think anyone missed it....
but would it be so hard for you to acknowledge once just once in this decade that some blame should actually be apportioned to a few of the players for their half heareted efforts... NOPE because that would mean you couldn't bag Wallace...
As I said so preditable
I think the players only play how they are told.
Can also say the game plan is extremely poor and players are repeated played ""out of position"" Really Jordon McMahon as a ""hit up forward"" for half ::)please!
And when you have worked out where Joel is playing, you might want to tell him as well, as it looks like he is completely lost.
It not the players fault if the 2 marquee players( brown and Lids) played inside forward 50 when we are getting smashed in the centre clearances. ::)
WP, I think you can see that.
We overuse the ball something shocking at that is a coaches fault , not the players, some team have rules that are simple , one handball than kick. Us, we just handball into trouble, something that has happened for the past 3 years, Just ask poor Andrew Raines after today.
The interchange usuage today was appallling, why on eartth after 30 secs into a quarter you are doing multiple interchanges ::) Actaully set behind the interchange today and can tell the players had no idea on occcasions who they we picking up. At one stage we took 3 off at once :lol It was laughable as the opposition had 3 players unchecked at the one time
I dont hate Terry, i just dont think he can coach. He hasnt shown he can coach can he, Premierships ???? Can some tell me how many? The silence is deafening
banging on about JB and him not knowing what his position is doesnt excuse him for his pitiful skills today :rollin
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Oh great! This topic that was a bit of fireball last year is back again!
Jackstar is right about the discussions and meetings that have taken place behind the scenes regarding financial injections into the club that have stringent conditions behind them regarding the key personel at the club at all levels.
Whether it happens mid season or the end or even next year remains in the hands of these people.
I feel that we should all focus on the club on field performances each week and not get into more of the silly feuding that took place in this forum last year. :)
Thank you.
Tell the other posters here as well Tigertailz
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I think the players only play how they are told.
Can also say the game plan is extremely poor and players are repeated played ""out of position"" Really Jordon McMahon as a ""hit up forward"" for half ::)please!
And when you have worked out where Joel is playing, you might want to tell him as well, as it looks like he is completely lost.
It not the players fault if the 2 marquee players( brown and Lids) played inside forward 50 when we are getting smashed in the centre clearances. ::)
WP, I think you can see that.
We overuse the ball something shocking at that is a coaches fault , not the players, some team have rules that are simple , one handball than kick. Us, we just handball into trouble, something that has happened for the past 3 years, Just ask poor Andrew Raines after today.
The interchange usuage today was appallling, why on eartth after 30 secs into a quarter you are doing multiple interchanges ::) Actaully set behind the interchange today and can tell the players had no idea on occcasions who they we picking up. At one stage we took 3 off at once :lol It was laughable as the opposition had 3 players unchecked at the one time
I dont hate Terry, i just dont think he can coach. He hasnt shown he can coach can he, Premierships ???? Can some tell me how many? The silence is deafening
Finally ...thank you Jack
That is a good response ... rather than just attacking Wallace for the sake of it you have given a balanced view and explanation...
don't agree with you on a number of points but will ackowledge the point's you have made
I didn't think Joel looked lost - I thought he looked disinterested .. he a few other senior blokes
Thank you.
Tell the other posters here as well Tigertailz
Think Tigertailz just did :lol
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WP, you should know I have a balanced view, just havent got hours to explain them ,thats all ;)
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Is it just me or does Bowden look and play disinterested when he doesnt have a big job, i.e. playing on a key forward?
He just seems to run around and do nothing. He needs to be given a responisibility otherwise he is useless.
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its not deledios fault nor browns that the ball delivery inside 59 was shocking today
if deledio had of kickd 5 ot 6 goals today, even 4, every would be saying great coaching by terry
i listensd and watched on bigpond the entire post match press conference and was happy with terry except that he said the umpiring was spot on, but i reckon he was being sarcastic and avoiding a fine
its round 2, we are 1/1 and terry said he will make changes if players dont respect their spot and jumper
this is what i want to hear and i hope he sticks to it
he implied he will make many changes if players show repeat poor performances over a period not just some games
lets hope we see the backs of some payers who have not respected their spot and jumper
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Is it just me or does Bowden look and play disinterested when he doesnt have a big job, i.e. playing on a key forward?
He just seems to run around and do nothing. He needs to be given a responisibility otherwise he is useless.
bowden worries too much about the poor and homeless and not his football
better change his attitude quick smart
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Is it just me or does Bowden look and play disinterested when he doesnt have a big job, i.e. playing on a key forward?
He just seems to run around and do nothing. He needs to be given a responisibility otherwise he is useless.
Disinterested is a very good word TFL.. today that's how he looked
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Is it just me or does Bowden look and play disinterested when he doesnt have a big job, i.e. playing on a key forward?
He just seems to run around and do nothing. He needs to be given a responisibility otherwise he is useless.
Disinterested is a very good word TFL.. today that's how he looked
He doesnt understand his role , either do I actually ::)
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Players seem to get away with a lot after losses, especially at Richmond ::)
They play like duds until a coach gets the sack, then they miraculously start playing well for a new coach
A year or two down the track, the same cycle of lazy good for nothingness starts again.
As long as they get their mammoth salaries nothing will ever change.
thought Bowden played like he just didn't care tonight. His half-hearted efforts just drive me nuts.
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C'mon - Bowden looks and plays the same way whether he's BOG or having a dog day - same as Mark Waugh.
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Players seem to get away with a lot after losses, especially at Richmond ::)
They play like duds until a coach gets the sack, then they miraculously start playing well for a new coach
A year or two down the track, the same cycle of lazy good for nothingness starts again.
As long as they get their mammoth salaries nothing will ever change.
thought Bowden played like he just didn't care tonight. His half-hearted efforts just drive me nuts.
Have always said he is a fraud and a performance such as tonight only enhances my view of him. I know ppl on this forum won't agree with me as he is seen as an untouchable but he has the gift of the gab and hence he knows what to say to the media but his hardness to the ball and getting the hard ball leaves alot to be desired and his intensity lairising and hunger to boost up his stats has done more harm than good to the team overall. He has been a cancer to the playing list for years. For me he is the most frustrating footballer on our list as he does not let his actions speak louder than words and all this community stuff as honourable as that may be is a guise to deflect attention from his laziness and lack of hardness on field from certain journos and commentators in the media who always have us in their sights .Remember pre being dropped in 04 and doing all this community stuff he was the number 1 target of angry fans and blood thirsty media ppl. 2 b/f in a side that has struggled may be something but in the overall scheme of things he fraudulently got to them.
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Wallace can coach. But he only started to the day he sacked Gaspar. He wasted the first 2 1/2 years and its catching up with him now.
Hopefully he'll drop Pettifer and Tuck. Not for a week, but make them earn another senior gig.
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didnt coach well yesterday. should have dealt with the King situation but didnt, King was being isolated and exposed, Wallace needed to respond. that didnt happen. We had way to many passengers today, happy with Deledio after half time, Tambling is getting into the action a bit, Newman ok... but to many passengers.
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Wallace can coach. But he only started to the day he sacked Gaspar. He wasted the first 2 1/2 years and its catching up with him now.
Hopefully he'll drop Pettifer and Tuck. Not for a week, but make them earn another senior gig.
Please explain how he can coach ?
I am real interested to here your reply.
First hand, he cant. Panics too much and makes knee jerk reactions at times.
Players still cant and dont understand there team roles.
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maybe the players are just too frikken stupid
i believe we should only draft players who have more than just potential talent but players with a healthy iq
how many yrs has richo played , and many times he had opportunities to lead to the "fat" side but lead up then back then up then back to a 2/3/4 on 1 contest . he is a fool and it took jay schulz to go to FF to show richo how one leads to the fat side!
richo grow a brain u bimbo
and the rfc should grow a BRAIN and stop kicking the ball to richo when he demands it in the wrong spot
tambling played a very smart game and many times set up plays for us and picked the right option, and many times he was the option to go to and was avoided by our uneducated stupid players
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That was Terry Wallace's worst coaching performance since he has been at the club.
Laidley had him playing catch up all day.
Didn't have a gameplan to win.
Poor match ups. Poor positional moves.
Couldn't get the players state of mind right on the back of Sugar's indescretion last week.
In fact it had me wondering if we had improved at all from last season.
The heat is back on Terry again and he'll have to oversee this team having a vastly improved performance against the Pies.
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That was Terry Wallace's worst coaching performance since he has been at the club.
Laidley had him playing catch up all day.
Didn't have a gameplan to win.
Poor match ups. Poor positional moves.
Couldn't get the players state of mind right on the back of Sugar's indescretion last week.
In fact it had me wondering if we had improved at all from last season.
The heat is back on Terry again and he'll have to oversee this team having a vastly improved performance against the Pies.
The major problem is that we havent improved from last year- on face value
We beat no body last week
Heat is on Terry ? Not when you have the Demons and Carlton perfoming worse, heat might be off him for few weeks.
Pies this week, be prepared for a flogging
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Heat is on Terry ? Not when you have the Demons and Carlton perfoming worse, heat might be off him for few weeks.
Pies this week, be prepared for a flogging
Ratten & Bailey are new to the caper and are escaping scrutiny. It's their players that will feel the pinch moreso than the coach. Wallace does not have the same luxury.
As for the Collingwood game? Well I saw them on Friday night and despite the loss they are at another level to us despite our win against them late last year.
I am prepared for a flogging. :help
PS: I wonder what Dean Laidley is getting paid compared with Terry Wallace?
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Heat is on Terry ? Not when you have the Demons and Carlton perfoming worse, heat might be off him for few weeks.
Pies this week, be prepared for a flogging
Ratten & Bailey are new to the caper and are escaping scrutiny. It's their players that will feel the pinch moreso than the coach. Wallace does not have the same luxury.
As for the Collingwood game? Well I saw them on Friday night and despite the loss they are at another level to us despite our win against them late last year.
I am prepared for a flogging. :help
PS: I wonder what Dean Laidley is getting paid compared with Terry Wallace?
About $245,000 ;)
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Wallace can coach. But he only started to the day he sacked Gaspar. He wasted the first 2 1/2 years and its catching up with him now.
Hopefully he'll drop Pettifer and Tuck. Not for a week, but make them earn another senior gig.
Please explain how he can coach ?
I am real interested to here your reply.
First hand, he cant. Panics too much and makes knee jerk reactions at times.
Players still cant and dont understand there team roles.
Go ask Neil Craig if he's ever been as embarrassed by anyone as much as Wallace.
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Laidley is a better coach than his given credit for
seems to know how to combat preasure well with good moves & matchups
something that Wallace & his coaching staff are failing to acheive
maybe we should refrain from having ex Kangaroo players in our camp would be a good start
a new forward coach too why may well pee Royal off as well :lol
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was flabbagasted went I training a few years ago and seen a group of players pushing a car/combi van around the oval.
Its no secret I watch all clubs train, never ever seen this before. ::)
I watch other clubs put up cricket stumps some 45 metres way and the players arent allowed to come off the ground until they have hit it down five times, fact.
I then watch young Patto yesterday ""try "' and deliver a pass to richo 35 metres away and misses him by 10metres ::)
Maybe just Maybe Patto was trying to hit the ""car"" ::)
I then watch the North guys pass to Corey Jones, if he doesnt mark ,its more likely he will have a broken nose as it would hit him in the face, now its that simple enough for some posters on this website to realise whats actually wrong at Punt Road or not ?
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now its that simple enough for some posters on this website to realise whats actually wrong at Punt Road or not ?
Why is this so important to you?
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Pushing a car/combi around the oval thats unheard off :rollin
no wonder skills are bad we got no wheels :rollin
l never heard about it before l have to mention it to a few when l see them :lol :lol :thumbsup
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now its that simple enough for some posters on this website to realise whats actually wrong at Punt Road or not ?
Why is this so important to you?
As people think we are travelling ok and on the improve :o
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now its that simple enough for some posters on this website to realise whats actually wrong at Punt Road or not ?
Why is this so important to you?
As people think we are travelling ok and on the improve :o
No, that's not what I am asking. Why do you care what other people think? So some people have a less negative view of the team and its progress. So what? Its not hurting anyone.
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now its that simple enough for some posters on this website to realise whats actually wrong at Punt Road or not ?
Why is this so important to you?
As people think we are travelling ok and on the improve :o
No, that's not what I am asking. Why do you care what other people think? So some people have a less negative view of the team and its progress. So what? Its not hurting anyone.
Good point actually, it isnt hurting anyone :thumbsup
This thread is named Terry a Tiger forever, you can only hope not.
My opinion is that we havent improved and wont improve under Terry Wallace.!
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now its that simple enough for some posters on this website to realise whats actually wrong at Punt Road or not ?
Why is this so important to you?
As people think we are travelling ok and on the improve :o
No, that's not what I am asking. Why do you care what other people think? So some people have a less negative view of the team and its progress. So what? Its not hurting anyone.
Good point actually, it isnt hurting anyone :thumbsup
This thread is named Terry a Tiger forever, you can only hope not.
My opinion is that we havent improved and wont improve under Terry Wallace.!
Most people involved with the game will tell you he can coach.
He's just not getting the best out of the currrent list like he did with the dogs. You may recall he exceeded expectations with the bullies with a very average list. Player recruitment when he was there wasnt too bad either.
He thought he could do the same with us but he underestimated our players. He's been let down badly by the likes of Tuck and Prettifer who played well in his first season and then went back to being all that they are; average players.
He started to get ruthless with the senior players way too late to justify his 5 year contract. So I'm sure we'll see a lot more urgency from him in the next couple of monts, because Miller's no longer in a position to protect him.
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now its that simple enough for some posters on this website to realise whats actually wrong at Punt Road or not ?
Why is this so important to you?
As people think we are travelling ok and on the improve :o
No, that's not what I am asking. Why do you care what other people think? So some people have a less negative view of the team and its progress. So what? Its not hurting anyone.
Good point actually, it isnt hurting anyone :thumbsup
This thread is named Terry a Tiger forever, you can only hope not.
My opinion is that we havent improved and wont improve under Terry Wallace.!
Most people involved with the game will tell you he can coach.
He's just not getting the best out of the currrent list like he did with the dogs. You may recall he exceeded expectations with the bullies with a very average list. Player recruitment when he was there wasnt too bad either.
He thought he could do the same with us but he underestimated our players. He's been let down badly by the likes of Tuck and Prettifer who played well in his first season and then went back to being all that they are; average players.
He started to get ruthless with the senior players way too late to justify his 5 year contract. So I'm sure we'll see a lot more urgency from him in the next couple of monts, because Miller's no longer in a position to protect him.
Most people I know who are involved with other clubs say he cant coach.
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l dont know why Sunbaked Terry Wallet dont have his side man up there opponant inside the forward 50
The forward line dont know that defending the forward 50 is just as important as defending the goal 50
when we score a point the opposing team smacks the ball out of their backline quickly, where RFC we hold up the game so the opposition can race back maning us up, block us inside & we take 20 posessions to just get it to the centre before apple turnover or Raines has a brain freeze with McMahon :lol or lately Bowden ??? l dont know wtf his doing ??? like his fatigued when kicking his gone back to chip kicking which deserves the sack
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Oh great! This topic that was a bit of fireball last year is back again!
Jackstar is right about the discussions and meetings that have taken place behind the scenes regarding financial injections into the club that have stringent conditions behind them regarding the key personel at the club at all levels.
Whether it happens mid season or the end or even next year remains in the hands of these people.
I feel that we should all focus on the club on field performances each week and not get into more of the silly feuding that took place in this forum last year. :)
i would have thought it remains in the hands of the board?
not some behind the scene power brokers.
when there is supposedly money involved they always have strings attached which untimately causes angst and friction with in a club like the RFC with its volitile history.
lets hope they have a reputable CEO lined up. :shh
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That was Terry Wallace's worst coaching performance since he has been at the club.
Laidley had him playing catch up all day.
Didn't have a gameplan to win.
Poor match ups. Poor positional moves.
Couldn't get the players state of mind right on the back of Sugar's indescretion last week.
In fact it had me wondering if we had improved at all from last season.
The heat is back on Terry again and he'll have to oversee this team having a vastly improved performance against the Pies.
Exactly. Coaches are just like players and umpires - they all have good days and bad. Wallace beat Ratten hands down in R1, Knights beat Laidley hands down in R1, Laidley beat Wallace hands down in R2. Sometimes they have minimal impact, sometimes they win or lose the game, and yesterday Wallace got absolutely thumped in the coaching stakes. Doesn't mean he can't or won't outcoach Malthouse in R3 and win the game.