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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 02, 2008, 04:09:44 AM
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This is a huge game coming up for the Tiges after the poor one against North.
Big crowd and up against the Maggies where we have been their bogey side for over a decade. Will the ownership continue?!
Discuss :gotigers
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bloody oath, we will beat them.
the pies were not that impressive v the lions, and we all know now how crap the shocker dockers are
brownie always has a field day v the pies and i just feel we will fight back hard and strong and be to fast for the serial chokers and pretenders
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To be honest i don't go with ownerhips of them. We have a good recored in this decade but each game stands on its own merits.
We are at home. Hopefully the Tiger Army will respond to our biggest home game of the season and turn out in force. We really should have 40,000 there if we are serious about being a powerhouse. They will bring 30,000 to an away against us and neutrals should hopefully push the crowd up towards 75,000. It'll probablty be the only game they play in Victoria this year in which they are outbarracked. They are not used to that and don't respond well to it - they never have - as our record V them shows. I really believe the fans can play a part so everyone BE THERE.
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To be honest i don't go with ownerhips of them. We have a good recored in this decade but each game stands on its own merits.
We are at home. Hopefully the Tiger Army will respond to our biggest home game of the season and turn out in force. We really should have 40,000 there if we are serious about being a powerhouse. They will bring 30,000 to an away against us and neutrals should hopefully push the crowd up towards 75,000. It'll probablty be the only game they play in Victoria this year in which they are outbarracked. They are not used to that and don't respond well to it - they never have - as our record V them shows. I really believe the fans can play a part so everyone BE THERE.
Thats a good post & spot on :clapping
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Now we get to see just how Thomas
whos gunna stop him ;D
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For some divine reason perhaps even God himself will take time out from his day of rest to "rest with a tinny in hand" and watch us. After all Collingwood epitomise all that is evil in this world but God has promised Lucifer his day in the sun at some point in time so on this coming Sunday knowing that he can't promise Lucifer and the Pies their day in the Sun he will sit back relax and watch the Tigers beat the living daylights of the Pies at the Colosseum, and just like in Byzantine Times in Rome when the Big Cats slaughtered the Christians pay back will be ensured when the Infidels and Hellish ones will be slaughtered by the Big Stripy Cats in that Colosseum in East Melbourne this time round. The underdog will have their day and maybe the sleeping giant may fall asleep again come Round 4 but for one week at least it will rub its eyes in that dawning glow knowing that this is a day of monumental proprortions and will seek to write the wrongs of 26 years of failure and underachievement against an opponent who if it was not for people who are more stupid than those who actually support it and blow their trumpet still talk of failures and mediocrity long gone as if they were reunited with a long lost love from primary school (because that's when they start to interbreed) are in a calming and soothing sort of way worse than us.
Seriously all would have loved it to be a wet weekend a very wet weekend. Who on this forum still has fond memories of the 2006 game when we led by 10 goals at half time in the wet. Alas it aint and it will be relatively dry but who here does not remember the rd 19 game in 2007 in dry conditions.
Anyway two key dules will win this game
Richo vs Wakelin
Thursfield vs Rocca
Sure the usual midfield battles will take place and the Pies will come down to our level or we will rise above their level or whatever but we seem to always match up well on them have more pace more grunt more fierceness and more persistence in these games at the Colosseum against the Skunks. Hence our success against them even in an era when our pickings have been so very slim.
I personally think the 2nd/ 3rd tier players will ultimately decide it. Will the accountability and performance of blokes like Jacko Newman Simmo Pettifer Tucky Hughes Polo Johnno be worth more than those of Thomas Medhurst Goldsack Cloke and Shaw Pendlebury Davis. I think it will be only just on the mere logic that the Tigers just seem to rise to the occassion whenever we play these Smelly Skunks. If only we played them 22 times in a season then life could be much much sweeter. See you all at the G and a victory adorned in Yellow and Black.
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Now we get to see just how Thomas
whos gunna stop him ;D
To see how Thomas... What TMonk.
Does his hair :rollin :rollin
:thumbsup
:gotigers
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15 wins to 7 since 1994 is a lop-sided ledger.
Based on past games between us and the Pies the team that wins the stoppages and clearances will win. If we allow the Collingwood mids to feed easy ball like we allowed North last week then the Pies small mid-size forwards will cut us to shreds. If we get enough of the footy out of the midfield (we smashed them last time) then our forwards should get on top to kick a winning score.
No Presti means Richo will have either Wakelin, Maxwell or Brown on him. He should be too mobile, strong and unpredictable for either of them (but not all of them if our dumb mids bomb it ::) ). Browny has always posed probs for the Pies so interesting who they go for this time. As much as commentators would love it I can't see our Nathan Brown (182cm) on their Nathan Brown (195cm).
Hopefully this week we have plan B if the Pies try to isolate Kingy like North did although he'll probably be on Leon Davis this week who's about the same height.
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MT :lol Richo too big too strong for them :rollin :rollin the useless prick cant kick straight. :lol they dont care how much ball he gets cause he hardly causes any damage to teams seriously when Richo gets the ball & shoots for goal its more like a turnover they get control the other sides & blast past our forward to there attack :lol Richmond will never be a powerful side with him at the helm. get real we had over 14 years of his crap l sick of hearing how good his not he constantly breaks down in front of goal it costs us so many games its beyond the joke. he be more service away from goals.
Richmond willnot be a good side till the rot is gone of the chip kickers & missed easy shots are gone & the pricks who play slow backwards football
l hope Richmond beat the pies cause l hate them, but seriously l cant see it happening this weekend. l going there not confident & only to honor my arrangments & bets otherwise l stay at home. If you hear or see anyone banging hard on the window when Richo misses a easy goal its me
WP, Thomas loves wet weather football & if the weather is bad he will cherish it & cause us problems.
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WP, Thomas loves wet weather football & if the weather is bad he will cherish it & cause us problems.
You mean TM like when Thomas choked in front of goal last week as did Rocca and Didak that would have won them the game :lol.
Sure Richo is hit and miss but he has plenty of mates in the AFL. Goalkicking is one skill of the game that hasn't improved in the modern era. Peter Hudson still puts nearly all of these professionals ::) to shame.
Hudson 70+%
Richo 750 513 = 59%
Rocca 407 277 = 59%
Riewoldt 259 168 = 60%
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After watching both teams play last weekend I fear the worst.
Pies will do us easily. :help
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they are a very well coached side.
we have the wood on them but thats history i think they have our measure.
if we continue to reward players like petts with games week in week out we deserve to lose.
he should be made to pay after we dished out last week. a b-loody disgrace he was last week
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You always grasp your stats MT but the fact is they prove nothing at all. the stats dont show when the goals are missed in the crucial point of the game. Richo always misses the important goals when the game is in the balance.
stats dont show nothing of when the game is there to be won or taken control, so l dont know why you put them up, you cant denie Richo cost us many games at critical times
l reckon Richo needs anxiety tablets, cause when his close to goal 5 - 40 metres out he is overwhelmed by the oppostion supporters heckling him, he turns to pooh, :( but can kick great goals on the run or beyond 55m because his brain is racing & his switched on & cant hear the heckling ;D
If after all these years he cant grasp the task of slotting the ball through under preasure & direct in front 5 - 40m out then he should not be played in that position cause the whole team is counting on him & when he misses the players lose confidence & l been told this by several players that its costing the team dearly & there has been some flak caused by it. Also Richo is against his own players comming into his zone just look on his face his even stared down Robin the boy blunder recently :help
Yes many big blokes do kick badly we all know that, its been the case for the generation of football, l could name 100 players. some players are picked for there ruck skills & strong marking overhead but cant kick well. FF's are picked cause they kick well & thats there job, but its time we blooded a new permanent FF to win games, not to play someone because there been at the club 14 years whatever it is & can take strong marks & then kick the ball on the full or score points, which as l said is turning the ball over & as l stated many times before our forwards cant defend the forward 50 properly
l love Richo but his a better player for Richmond down the ground, he still runs like a 25 year old & is one of the best strong marks in the league over his career & he should be used that way. Richo has great recovery when going for his own ball after a attempted mark & when he gathers the ball in he often sets someone up. You can get your stats out every week but l see the same thing happen every week & its wearing very thin with supporters & players.
Some supporters like you say yeah the Saints & Skunks do the same & l agree they do but they also kick alot more goals than us, get your stats out & look at our percentages for the last 25 years + there always been pooh & thats why teams like the Saints & Skunks win & have good percentages come years end. When Kozsy for the Saints is missing someone else is kicking them & Kozsy is worse than Richo by a mile. Rewoldt fixed his problem so why cant Richo & Rewodlt for your stats is not the Saints FF so l dont know why you put them up for comparrison with Richo, why not put big Fraser G up or does he have better stats. l sure you will put them up cause they mean nothing to me FG has won many games for the Saints & kicks them when the game is in the balance. Richo has won us a hand full cause we have not won many games at all over the years
Dont take this personal either this is a discussion about a great player who l think is costing us game & l think change should have been made some years ago. Richo deserves his B&F cause his earned it not for kicking goals but his committment to winning the contested ball
l dont like stats cause they dont show how a game is really played. If you go off any Richmond stats & Jackstar can back this up, we over use the ball every game. Handballs, Marks, Kicks, going backwards, sideways, inside 50,s then out again then back in then out again & inside 50 again then bang there that big important turnover & bang goal to other team :lol someone once said to me we had the most inside 50's :lol l wonder how we got the most when our shots on goals are very low, its because we get it inside 50 then dont have confidence to have a shot & go backwards then come back in again & again gmae after game of leather burns
Hughes, Shultzs, & Rewoldt are our future so we should be playing them in there positions now. Take a look at Roughhead the new kid on the block his cemented that position at FF & is very dangerous, that lad aint even played to his full ability yet. he will destroy us like the days of Dinstall & Ablett but wait we have Thursfield yes can he become a great fullback, Franklin has cememted his position yet Deledio, Tambling, are still being thrown around & a few others are still scratching Polo, Polak, Shultzs, Hughes, Raines, McGuane, Rewoldt, Pettifer still get chucked around that shows me the coach is not confident in his players ability & cant coach this squad with his current assistant coaches there is a problem that lays underneath ;D
anyway time to do some work but my point is we should be cementing the youngsters into thier positions & let them learn the hardway
Carlton are doing it with Gibbs & Murphy so why cant Richmond
& if Collingwood beat us be prepared for me cause l wont be taking it great
PS :lol Daniel161 :thumbsup we do have the wood on them we have the wooden spoon from last year. l bet Wallet spanked the players with it after the bad effort against the Kangaroos
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WP, Thomas loves wet weather football & if the weather is bad he will cherish it & cause us problems.
You mean TM like when Thomas choked in front of goal last week as did Rocca and Didak that would have won them the game :lol.
l prefer to have Thomas with the ball under preasure than Richo anyday :lol cause we know 100% Richo is the leagues biggest choker
Dont you listen to the commentators when you watch your replays :rollin
Dont forget the great goals Thomas kicked under preasure last week when the game was in the balance & the umps made critical mistakes in the dying minutes of that game just like some critical ones against the tigers but hey lets not blame the greatly coached umpires & thier stupid rules from Stupid Geishein
anyway eff Collingwood its war in this household this week :banghead my money is on Richmond & l wont be happy without a win so l hope King will lay Thomas out cold :pray :pray :pray
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No comment apart from 3rd biggest game of the year for us and I will be there as per usual.
NB: The 2nd biggest game is the return match against Carltank.
:gotigers
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You always grasp your stats MT but the fact is they prove nothing at all. the stats dont show when the goals are missed in the crucial point of the game. Richo always misses the important goals when the game is in the balance.
I would have thought this was more of an indictment on the rest of the team. Richo's accuracy is as good as any champion forward. Unfortunately for him his kicks are so much more important in the scheme of things than these other forwards since nobody else will step up and kick the necessary score. There have been plenty of times Richo has single handedly won games for us, and yes there have been times when his inaccuracy has cost us matches. But I would say that these other forwards have been let off the hook since when they have a bad day there have been others to take the load and win the matches. Browney could do this for Richo but unfortunately we all know what has happened there. No one else ever kicks more than four goals in a game. When was the last time one of our forwards kicked a bag of 6 or 7 whose name is not Matthew or Nathan.
Richo, when he has a bad day, is just ridiculous. A complete laughing stock. He'll miss a goal by 20 meters from 20 meters. The others may miss by a couple of centimetres if they are having an off day. Still a miss but more excusable because they look far less stupid.
Richo is not our problem. Expecting him to win matches by himself over and over again is unfair.
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No comment apart from 3rd biggest game of the year for us and I will be there as per usual.
NB: The 2nd biggest game is the return match against Carltank.
:gotigers
talking of Carltank l seen somewhere a paper or internet where the Richmond supporters showed the Scum a bedsheet with cheating tankers on it :rollin what a classic
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talking of Carltank l seen somewhere a paper or internet where the Richmond supporters showed the Scum a bedsheet with cheating tankers on it :rollin what a classic
lol. Yes. "Tankers are Wankers" is what it said if I remember correctly.
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You always grasp your stats MT but the fact is they prove nothing at all. the stats dont show when the goals are missed in the crucial point of the game. Richo always misses the important goals when the game is in the balance.
I would have thought this was more of an indictment on the rest of the team. Richo's accuracy is as good as any champion forward. Unfortunately for him his kicks are so much more important in the scheme of things than these other forwards since nobody else will step up and kick the necessary score. There have been plenty of times Richo has single handedly won games for us, and yes there have been times when his inaccuracy has cost us matches. But I would say that these other forwards have been let off the hook since when they have a bad day there have been others to take the load and win the matches. Browney could do this for Richo but unfortunately we all know what has happened there. No one else ever kicks more than four goals in a game. When was the last time one of our forwards kicked a bag of 6 or 7 whose name is not Matthew or Nathan.
Richo, when he has a bad day, is just ridiculous. A complete laughing stock. He'll miss a goal by 20 meters from 20 meters. The others may miss by a couple of centimetres if they are having an off day. Still a miss but more excusable because they look far less stupid.
Richo is not our problem. Expecting him to win matches by himself over and over again is unfair.
l'm sure you didnot read my post or dinot grasp it :lol
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talking of Carltank l seen somewhere a paper or internet where the Richmond supporters showed the Scum a bedsheet with cheating tankers on it :rollin what a classic
lol. Yes. "Tankers are Wankers" is what it said if I remember correctly.
Thats the one l seen a white sheet saying tankers are Wankers :rollin
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Magpies focus on shutting down Foley
April 3, 2008 - 3:44PM
Shutting down Richmond clearance star Nathan Foley will be a big emphasis for Collingwood in Sunday's round three AFL game at the MCG.
Foley's bursts from the centre set the Tigers up for quick goals in the opening minutes of the last clash between these sides and paved the way for an upset win in round 19 last season.
Having been part of the Collingwood side which was overrun by the Brisbane Lions last week, midfielder Dane Swan said on Thursday the Magpies were aware of Foley's ability to win the ball from stoppages and dash clear at breakneck speed.
"He's very good at his stoppages and that's where he gets all his ball, and he's lightning quick out of them," Swan said.
"So if we can nullify his getting the ball at stoppages and if he gets it, he has to try to run through us instead of breaking out.
"So hopefully we can get him going the other way so he has to kick the ball, because if he gets a little bit in front of you you're not going to catch him because of how explosive he is."
Swan, who is likely to spend some time on Foley given the high number of interchange rotations Collingwood employ, said Foley was one of Richmond's key players.
"He's a very good footballer, he's very quick and he's very good at stoppages, so if we can stop him at the stoppages that's half the battle because they do look for him a bit," he said.
http://news.smh.com.au/magpies-focus-on-shutting-down-foley/20080403-23fw.html
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MT :lol Richo too big too strong for them :rollin :rollin the useless prick cant kick straight. :lol they dont care how much ball he gets cause he hardly causes any damage to teams seriously when Richo gets the ball & shoots for goal its more like a turnover they get control the other sides & blast past our forward to there attack :lol Richmond will never be a powerful side with him at the helm. get real we had over 14 years of his crap l sick of hearing how good his not he constantly breaks down in front of goal it costs us so many games its beyond the joke. he be more service away from goals.
Richmond willnot be a good side till the rot is gone of the chip kickers & missed easy shots are gone & the pricks who play slow backwards football
l hope Richmond beat the pies cause l hate them, but seriously l cant see it happening this weekend. l going there not confident & only to honor my arrangments & bets otherwise l stay at home. If you hear or see anyone banging hard on the window when Richo misses a easy goal its me
WP, Thomas loves wet weather football & if the weather is bad he will cherish it & cause us problems.
Great post, i have had this view about Richo for a long time. Look you cant deny the guys passion for the game and if effort alone was the measure of success then he is one of the best. Unfortunately reality is that he is a forward and a forward is there to kick goals. When will the tiges finally recruit some forwards who you can depend upon to kick that oval thing between the two big sticks? Its that simple however at vital times Richo fails to do it. Commentators keep saying that one week he will come out and kick 15 goals, well with his accuracy record he would have to have about 60 shots at goal, not likely. I dont think since Michael Roach have we had someone that can thread the eye of a needle from 50 metres. Until we get a potent forward i think we will always struggle to compete with the stronger teams.
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Great post, i have had this view about Richo for a long time. Look you cant deny the guys passion for the game and if effort alone was the measure of success then he is one of the best. Unfortunately reality is that he is a forward and a forward is there to kick goals. When will the tiges finally recruit some forwards who you can depend upon to kick that oval thing between the two big sticks? Its that simple however at vital times Richo fails to do it. Commentators keep saying that one week he will come out and kick 15 goals, well with his accuracy record he would have to have about 60 shots at goal, not likely. I dont think since Michael Roach have we had someone that can thread the eye of a needle from 50 metres. Until we get a potent forward i think we will always struggle to compete with the stronger teams.
na sorry dont agree. look at the pies always there abouts come finals time and who is their forward. anthony rocca.
the eagles won the flag with no specialized ff.
if the coach and players are good enough they can make do.
we dont have the cattle or coach to do this.
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TAB Sportsbet Odds
Head to Head
Richmond $ 3.30
Collingwood $ 1.30
Line
Richmond +20.5 Pts $ 1.90
Collingwood -20.5 Pts $ 1.90
Margin
Richmond Under 39.5 Pts $ 4.00
Richmond Over 39.5 Pts $15.00
Collingwood Under 39.5 Pts $ 2.25
Collingwood Over 39.5 Pts $ 2.75
Draw 51.00
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$3.30. I'll take those odds in a two horse race.
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TAB Sportsbet Odds
Head to Head
Richmond $ 3.30
Collingwood $ 1.30
Line
Richmond +20.5 Pts $ 1.90
Collingwood -20.5 Pts $ 1.90
Margin
Richmond Under 39.5 Pts $ 4.00
Richmond Over 39.5 Pts $15.00
Collingwood Under 39.5 Pts $ 2.25
Collingwood Over 39.5 Pts $ 2.75
Draw 51.00
This game is a punters dream :thumbsup ;D ;D ;D ;D :gotigers
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WP, Thomas loves wet weather football & if the weather is bad he will cherish it & cause us problems.
You mean TM like when Thomas choked in front of goal last week as did Rocca and Didak that would have won them the game :lol.
l prefer to have Thomas with the ball under preasure than Richo anyday :lol cause we know 100% Richo is the leagues biggest choker
Dont you listen to the commentators when you watch your replays :rollin
Dont forget the great goals Thomas kicked under preasure last week when the game was in the balance & the umps made critical mistakes in the dying minutes of that game just like some critical ones against the tigers but hey lets not blame the greatly coached umpires & thier stupid rules from Stupid Geishein
anyway eff Collingwood its war in this household this week :banghead my money is on Richmond & l wont be happy without a win so l hope King will lay Thomas out cold :pray :pray :pray
The Pies had the run of the umps in the first 3 quarters yet all we hear is whinge whinge about the last quarter. How many times did Magpie players throw the ball and it wasn't called ::). If you think they got screwed by the umps wait till Sunday and watch them get everything because they had a whinge to Geisch ::).
As for Thomas, you knock Richo for missing crucial goals (which might surprise you I agree he does) but Thomas missed the crunch goal last week which cost them the game. I mean sheesh he was gifted the chance by the ump too who missed O'Bree's rugby throw. Choked big time. Anyway comparing apples and oranges comparing a small with a tall.
Riewoldt and Richo play similar roles so the comparison is fair. Both play high and low in the forward line and their athleticism is their main weapon. Riewoldt is still relatively young so his spring is still there whereas Richo, while he can still take a speckie, the jumping jack of his younger days is gone. I would put my house on neither when shooting for goal and the stats back that up whatever you think of them ;D. As for Rocca well we all know about his record when it comes to kicking crucial goals :lol. His average number of goals is almost half that of Richo's too. One great game from puff puff and then you won't see him for 5 weeks.
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Tigers AFL trio must lift against 'Pies
SMH
April 5, 2008 - 11:36AM
Richmond have challenged key trio Brett Deledio, Nathan Foley and Nathan Brown to produce their best football more often before Sunday's AFL game against Collingwood at the MCG.
The three Tigers can be match-winners on their day but their starts to the season have been sporadic after patchy performances in the opening win over Carlton and the seven-goal defeat to North Melbourne.
Brown booted three goals against the Blues but gathered only 24 disposals in the first two games, Deledio was quiet against Carlton but gained a career-high 27 touches last week and Foley began well but was subdued against the Kangaroos.
Ahead of a game against an old rival, Richmond assistant coach David King said the Tigers needed more output from the skilful threesome.
"You just feel if we can get Nathan Brown, we can get Nathan Foley and Brett Deledio to fire or to go somewhere near their best - and they don't have to be best on ground but if they can just lift at parts of the game - it gives us an opportunity to win," King said.
"Without those guys firing it probably leaves too much to too few and unfortunately where we are at the moment, we can't go with that."
Foley's work clearing the ball from stoppages was instrumental in the Tigers' win over Collingwood last season and King said Richmond wanted more of the same from the young onballer.
"If he can produce something like that, you're not going to ask for that every week, but if he can hold his own and be the normal Nathan Foley we know at stoppages then we're on our way," he said.
Similarly, Deledio also starred in the win over the Pies last time with five goals, but has been unable to match that form positioned in the forward line at the start of 2008.
"At the end of last year he had a fantastic patch, being able to (have an) impact (on) games as a full-forward," King said.
"We've probably targeted that role for him this season but he probably hasn't started the way we wanted, he's probably had more impact when he's been released into midfield.
"Our challenge is to get him into the game and his challenge is to fire in all areas no matter where we put him.
"If he's going to become a top-line player in this competition he needs to be able to stand up and play a number of different roles for us because that's what good players do."
King nominated the evenness of Collingwood's midfield as the major area Richmond had to focus on, but conceded small Magpie forwards Alan Didak, Leon Davis and Paul Medhurst could be damaging if left unchecked.
http://news.smh.com.au/tigers-afl-trio-must-lift-against-pies/20080405-23w6.html
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This is a huge game coming up for the Tiges after the poor one against North.
Big crowd and up against the Maggies where we have been their bogey side for over a decade. Will the ownership continue?!
Discuss :gotigers
Just concerned that we may be half expected to beat them. I live in the bush and if there is anywhere where there is an over representation of toolhead collingwood supporters it`s up here. I`ll be hiding ,listening and hopefully coming out paying those stuff wits out. Good luck to all the supporters heading to the G, i`d love to be a part of the army and not surrounded by the toolheads
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This is a huge game coming up for the Tiges after the poor one against North.
Big crowd and up against the Maggies where we have been their bogey side for over a decade. Will the ownership continue?!
Discuss :gotigers
Just concerned that we may be half expected to beat them. I live in the bush and if there is anywhere where there is an over representation of toolhead collingwood supporters it`s up here. I`ll be hiding ,listening and hopefully coming out paying those eff wits out. Good luck to all the supporters heading to the G, i`d love to be a part of the army and not surrounded by the toolheads
You may not be there go Richo but you are still part of the Tiger Army and you won't be hiding from little magpies. Win lose or Draw you'll be swaggering about like you should do. You are a Tiger.
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Just concerned that we may be half expected to beat them. I live in the bush and if there is anywhere where there is an over representation of toolhead collingwood supporters it`s up here. I`ll be hiding ,listening and hopefully coming out paying those eff wits out. Good luck to all the supporters heading to the G, i`d love to be a part of the army and not surrounded by the toolheads
We'll be sitting in the outer tomorrow so I'll still be surrounded by the toolheads :D. Anyway everyone has tipped the Pies and the bookies have them overwhelming favourites. A perfect opportunity to stick it up 'em :gotigers.
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Tiges by 19 points
Richo will kick 6 goals
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GO TIGERS!!
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Laffing at this thread.
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I thought Collingwood would beat us, the wheel nuts are well and truly loosened, i expect the wheels to fall of well and truly inside the next 2 weeks.
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What about our Captain, when he was too scared to have a shot and handball off from 45, thats insparational stuff , that will lift the team :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Laffing at this thread.
Wheres diggler and laff they havent been on here in a fair while, they should come in here and provide some light entertainment for the darkside element of the forums lol.
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What about our Captain, when he was too scared to have a shot and handball off from 45, thats insparational stuff , that will lift the team :lol :lol :lol :lol
Right now the team could not lift if they had a crane under them let alone Jonno.
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We have so far to go :'( But I'm sticking by them! :gotigers
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What was interesting was the long kicking with the pies in F 50.
Hittting up targets repeatedly. If Richo played at Collingwood, he would of kicked 100 goals every year
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What about our Captain, when he was too scared to have a shot and handball off from 45, thats insparational stuff , that will lift the team :lol :lol :lol :lol
Getting enjoyment off tigers, you are a wanker mate.
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What about our Captain, when he was too scared to have a shot and handball off from 45, thats insparational stuff , that will lift the team :lol :lol :lol :lol
Getting enjoyment off tigers, you are a wanker mate.
Me wanker ? Its a good form of safe sex, lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
As for RFC, the reason we are NO GOOD, it because of players like Kane, like it or not,
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What a shocking performance by the Tigers.
I'm not a big one on naming names but there's a few this week.
Pettifer- No second efforts, the first efforts aren't good enough, drops easy marks, has a soft approach to contests. Hopefully the tribunal does us a favour this week and rubs him out, give Mitch Morton the job, Morton is good enough. And once again, Pettifer, too busy arguing with umpires and not helping out at the bloody contest! Pathetic. Makes me feel sorry for the other forwards working their behinds off to try and trap the ball in. He is an embarrassment!
Bowden- Body language was deplorable. Skills not much better. Is this guy in our leadership group? :wallywink
Kane Johnson- Bad kicking. Got a lot of it but certainly can't remember him doing anything creative or inspirational with it. Not captain material, far from it.
Simmonds- Sadly has not recaptured his early form for the Tiges. Seems slow. He might be a useful 2nd ruckman for us one day, if we can get someone good enough to take his spot.
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Whats interesting that we got Simmonds on a 5 year contract for $1,000,000 and we signed Jordon McMahon for 3 years for approx $1,000,000. ummmmmmmmmm
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What about our Captain, when he was too scared to have a shot and handball off from 45, thats insparational stuff , that will lift the team :lol :lol :lol :lol
Getting enjoyment off tigers, you are a wanker mate.
Me wanker ? Its a good form of safe sex, lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
As for RFC, the reason we are NO GOOD, it because of players like Kane, like it or not,
Your posts when we lose games seem joyous. I think that makes you a wanker. You don't seem to feel any pain when we lose. Wanker. Your attitude to our football club when we are down and out is to rub our noses in it. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKER.
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Look here you clown.
I am sick of tired of you imbeciles taking pot shots at me.
I love the RFC but as I have said time and time again, we are going NO WHERE with Wallet and his basketball game plans,if you think we are progressing, you are on drugs.
We are going backwards at a rate of knots. Ourv recuiting is terrible,( anybody seen JON ,lol)
I hurt more than anyone, lets fix the problems with the RFC and stop backslapping players for one good performance, I was in fits of laughter listening to David King say on radio tonite that Schulz has improved, oh dear.
Mate, you are the wanker as you put up with this crap!!
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They jumped us and we never recovered. Probably saw how North did it to us last week.
They work too hard. Our workrate sucks compared to them.
We are carrying too many boys that dont think they need to bust a gut and run hard.
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Pettifer- No second efforts, the first efforts aren't good enough, drops easy marks, has a soft approach to contests. Hopefully the tribunal does us a favour this week and rubs him out, give Mitch Morton the job, Morton is good enough. And once again, Pettifer, too busy arguing with umpires and not helping out at the bloody contest! Pathetic. Makes me feel sorry for the other forwards working their behinds off to try and trap the ball in. He is an embarrassment!
Agree terrible
Bowden- Body language was deplorable. Skills not much better. Is this guy in our leadership group? :wallywink
Who was he there?
Without doubt the biggest disappointment for me over the last 2 weeks.
He seems totally disinterested.
Over the last few years he has slowly won me over but the last 2 weeks :banghead :banghead :banghead
Simmonds- Sadly has not recaptured his early form for the Tiges. Seems slow.
Another one of our leaders who isn't showing too much. That free kick in the final quarter :banghead :banghead To borrow one of Jack's favourite saying outside FACT .... Oh Dear... ;D
i reckon we get more out of the ruck stoppages at the moment when young Patto is in there
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Actually kept my eye on Simmo after that free. Runner came straight over to him and dragged him, wasnt real keen to get off to quick either, ummmmmm
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all our senior group, and i mean all of them are no good fullstop
they should all be gaspared
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Actually kept my eye on Simmo after that free. Runner came straight over to him and dragged him, wasnt real keen to get off to quick either, ummmmmm
Deserved it as a senior player to give away that free was a shameful effort
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wtf do we do at training
learn how to correlle(spelling?)
learn how to not help ur team mate
learn to handpass to a hot person
learn how not to use ur body in a contest
learn to avoid shephearding
the only thing we can do is win a clearance but then have no fricken idea what to do with it!
terry lift ur game at training
U PLAY HOW U TRAIN!!!!
GET RID OF OUR SENIOR GROUP B4 TEH CANCER SPREADS TO TEH KIDS
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its time to clear the decks and put them all up for whatever we can get otherwise delist as many as possible.
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Actually kept my eye on Simmo after that free. Runner came straight over to him and dragged him, wasnt real keen to get off to quick either, ummmmmm
Deserved it as a senior player to give away that free was a shameful effort
He did deserve it, couldnt out mark R. Shaw, had to give the free away.
Its that he didnt want to come off and gave the runner a spray, not good
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Well that was a crap game wasn't it!!!
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i reckon we get more out of the ruck stoppages at the moment when young Patto is in there
Ruck is a big problem for us at the moment and probably for the next couple of years at least.
Simmonds, as much as I love his work ethic and his efforts, just doesn't win enough of the ruck. He can beat bigger opponents occasionally, but just not enough. We need a tap ruckman with the midfield that we are naming- Foley and Tambling are good inside players, they can squeeze it out of very tight situations, we just need a ruckman that can palm it to their advantage. Yes Simmo is a warrior around the ground but he is not hurting the opposition like he used to.
I agree WP, we looked a bit better from the ruck with Pattison in. He is not as good around the ground as Simmonds at his best, IMO. He's always improving but will always get beaten by the taller and more mobile ruckmen in this comp.
Problem is, we've got two ruckman who would both be good 2nd ruckman, or old fashioned ruck rovers. In modern footy I think you have still got room for ONE of those players per team, having said that the Kangas still somehow keep naming Petrie and Brown in the same side and get wins! :banghead
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We are going nowhere. Simple as that. I'll continue to be interested in games this year but the season is over as a run for the 8. We are not well enough led, well enough coached, well enough trained or want it enough to be a factor against real footy teams. We will make up the numbers, win the odd game and finish 13th. It'd be nice to win the Dreamtime game and beat Carlton again but beyond that the season is a no hoper as usual.
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i reckon we get more out of the ruck stoppages at the moment when young Patto is in there
Ruck is a big problem for us at the moment and probably for the next couple of years at least.
Simmonds, as much as I love his work ethic and his efforts, just doesn't win enough of the ruck. He can beat bigger opponents occasionally, but just not enough. We need a tap ruckman with the midfield that we are naming- Foley and Tambling are good inside players, they can squeeze it out of very tight situations, we just need a ruckman that can palm it to their advantage. Yes Simmo is a warrior around the ground but he is not hurting the opposition like he used to.
I agree WP, we looked a bit better from the ruck with Pattison in. He is not as good around the ground as Simmonds at his best, IMO. He's always improving but will always get beaten by the taller and more mobile ruckmen in this comp.
Problem is, we've got two ruckman who would both be good 2nd ruckman, or old fashioned ruck rovers. In modern footy I think you have still got room for ONE of those players per team, having said that the Kangas still somehow keep naming Petrie and Brown in the same side and get wins! :banghead
i cant believe what i witnessed yesterday. what a disgrace
no run. no chase. no skill. nothing.
we are the worst football team going around and that will be proven in the next few weeks when we take over our customary wooden spoon role.
what a mess.
david king post match on 3aw. is the bigger dic.khead going around and really if i wa him i would be ashamed to call myself a assistant coach..
refused to admit skill level was a problem. refused to admit we have move bowden in the centre or even forward. refused to admit just about everything.
i knew this guy has serious issues when pre season, a week b4 season proper he said and i quote "beware JON, he has been the best over pre season and would be good to see what his got" i mean he and whoever else thinks this list going somewhere must be blind, or maybe i need help.
i am not a disgruntled ex employee so you cant label me that as u do jack.
i am a realist and this list is crap.
from what i saw today i would keep- king, foley, moore, thursfield, lids, brown maybe, polak, morton and white.
the rest are not fit for afl football. petts, patto, sugar WILL NOT WIN YOU AN AFL FLAG SO WTF ARE THEY DOING ON OUR LIST
tuck. geez is this guy for real, what 3 kicks 20 handballs.
sugar now this guy what he did on the 50m arc was comical. our captain as some of u like biasee like to call him, handballs to petts instead of kicking a captain's goal when we needed it the most.
the rfc are going nowhere and thats a fact. the only person who can hold their head up high off field is steve wright.
We are a heartless group of footballers who dont play for their jumper, they play for their pay packet.
and any one of u think i wouldn't say it to their faces well UR WRONG.
at approximately 11pm last night i was with friends drinking at vineyard at stkilda and guess who walks in. RICHO!!
i said mate that was a disgrace, absolutely to which he said i dont want to talk about it.
i said well i do mate and there are too many passengers in this team who dont play for the jumper. its a joke mate.
he wasnt impressed and walked off.
well you know what richo u do play for the jumper unlike all your other so called teamates
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Daniel is 100% right. The players are just not good enough. Not interested enough. Not Richmond quality players.
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wtf do we do at training
learn how to correlle(spelling?)
learn how to not help ur team mate
learn to handpass to a hot person
learn how not to use ur body in a contest
learn to avoid shephearding
the only thing we can do is win a clearance but then have no fricken idea what to do with it!
terry lift ur game at training
U PLAY HOW U TRAIN!!!!
Agree. Not to mention tackling.
What was the purpose of playing Morton, who kicked 7 goals the previous week, in the backline? Polak should have remained on the bench for the rest of the game after being concussed. What about that disallowed goal of Richo's when the umpire called it "holding the ball" - replay clearly shows Richo getting foot to ball!!! Thought Schultz actually did quite well in defence. Browny picked up in the second half. Johnson's handball instead of going for goal was a major faux pas. McMahon ran around a lot and seemed to be in a lot of action but how much of it was really effective. Thought Kingy and Foley were pretty good. A week or two off should do Pettifer some good.
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What a laughing stock, embarrassed totally at the game, money thrown away, a day l wanted to bury myself in the sand
Richmond the leather burnt football team who creates disaster for themselves on field
They overuse the football that much they work themselves into thier own trouble.
they flood back so far that so many of them are down the back 50, they got so many to pass to by handball & the last bloke got no-one upfield to kick too so they start over again but still standing in the same places not gaining any territory & the turnover from hot play & 1 kick bang a goal against us is laughable
STATS Dont ever mention stats to me again.
a useless term in football that shows nothing on the real game after the fact
most of the stats Richmond players get are overused football stats :lol pass it to me, stand here, pass it back start walking, l got rid of the ball done my job OMFG seen this so many times
could there be a term put on the stat sheet for Hot passes, we would need 2 sheets alone for that
Richmond stats sheet would have the words LEATHER BURN STATS :rollin
Terry Wallace game plan ???
kicking too 2 on 1 contests WTF is that all about
Dropping Hughes was the biggest mistake cause we needed a CHF
Dale Thomas killed us :lol his far better than Deledio, Tambling, put together
Anyone here telling me this lad is not going to be a superstar is a moron & knows nothing about football, his got the whole package
Mark of the Day, Goal of the day, Play of the day even had a cheeky bounce doing it & set up another goal
was in the set up of many of there goals including kicking l think 3 himself & missed 2 easy ones lucky for us
Dont ever any of you losers tell me Thomas is a nothing cause he gave a far better display than most of our list yeaterday & he plays his best football in the wet
Kingy another solid game. sure a couple of mistakes but his the only hardball player who puts his small body on the line. he backs himself in a never give up attitude something many should learn from him to play 120 minutes instead of walking after disposing off the ball. his helps on the scoreboard as well & l backed him to take this years B&F & if this turns out to be correct we are in a hole of hell for many years to come
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dont worry Tigermonk, reality will set in soon to a few on this site.
And as for the game, my advice to Wallace would of been this.
place defensive tags on both Shaws, this would restrict there run and carry out of defense.
Secondly.play a spare man back and leave in the corridor., sitting on D 50 arc. this would force them (forwards)to go wide and play abit further up the ground. You dont wont Thomas, Didak and Davis getting possesions inside F 50, as we seen yesterday, pretty simple game plan but effective.
Why you wouldnt put a defensive tag on either one of them is extremely poor coaching, but Terry cant be told anything and is always right, Good luck at Centrelink Plough
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reality does not have to set in on us here , it has to set in at the rfc and most of ficken all
TERRY WALLAVE!
many tiger delusional fans just keep on living on hope and just waiting for thisng to happen
until terry understands reality. nothing will change
terry has to throw away game plans, game plans are overrated
he has to play the kids and just tell them, play football and have a go!
game plans are full of poo
all u need is structures, a strong spine and 22 solid contributors who are accountable
full stop, no fancy game plan, no basketball tactics
just 22 players having a go at playing what is called football
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he has to play the kids and just tell them, play football and have a go!
all u need is structures, a strong spine and 22 solid contributors who are accountable
just 22 players having a go at playing what is called football
for where we are at right now, X is spot on.
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he has to play the kids and just tell them, play football and have a go!
It's too late for that now, he's in job saving mode, he'll keep playing the older players to try scratch up a few wins to keep the wolves at bay.
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he has to play the kids and just tell them, play football and have a go!
Now that's what i call tactical genius.
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Richmond dont run hard into space to except the longer handballs or kicks to open it up or run hard to except the ball
Richmond dont force other teams to run hard giving teams plenty of energy in reserve for second efforts hence thier short handball & chipkicks & backwards play while they just coral us in a wide pattern
what l seen yesterday was one of the worst football running sides, other sides make us run always chasing leaving us out of breathe for second efforts
still no game plan comming out of defence cause we dont run & dont move the ball fast we wait which gains other teams time to think
we just simply dont improve week to week
Our percentage is getting smacked again & if we ever start winning games other teams will have better percentage & we finish 9th then back to wooden spoon & same old story
WE ARE PATHETIC
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Richmond dont run hard into space to except the longer handballs or kicks to open it up or run hard to except the ball
Richmond dont force other teams to run hard giving teams plenty of energy in reserve for second efforts hence thier short handball & chipkicks & backwards play while they just coral us in a wide pattern
what l seen yesterday was one of the worst football running sides, other sides make us run always chasing leaving us out of breathe for second efforts
still no game plan comming out of defence cause we dont run & dont move the ball fast we wait which gains other teams time to think
we just simply dont improve week to week
Our percentage is getting smacked again & if we ever start winning games other teams will have better percentage & we finish 9th then back to wooden spoon & same old story
WE ARE PATHETIC
i put that effoirt against the pies as as about as weak and pathetic as the game against the cats.
forget about the kids for a minute just think about our senior core players.
they are so poo. tuck, pettifer, sugar. crap. i once got blasted on here for comparing leon davis to petts. OMG are you serious petts although not our worst senior will never win u a flag. yeah a goal here or there. BIG DEAL. davis always gets his 20 possessions and also kicks goals.
if they cant win you a flag or be a part of it then WTF are they still in the starting 22. eff THEM OFF!! Wallet is in career saving form right now, hence why petts wasn't dropped and it wuldnt surprise me if no senior players gets dropped this week
picture this your a young player and u see ur captain handballs whilst kicking inside 50, cause he is has no confidence at all and is really a pathetic footballer who squeezes every cent out of the rfc and gives the supporters sweet nothing. the kids must be thinking geez if we have him doing that then what hope have we got!!
sugar, wallace and miller have brought this club to the train wreck they have been doing about.
expect the dockers to smash us this week!!
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What about that disallowed goal of Richo's when the umpire called it "holding the ball" - replay clearly shows Richo getting foot to ball!!!
Sorry Julz but the umpires call was 100% correct.
Yes Richo did get his foot to the ball after he dropped it and it hit the ground. He tried to break a tackle dropped the ball - gawn he was for mine. As I said ump was 100% right
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No comment from you WP on Dale Thomas ;D figures
l did tell you this lad will produce against us, he made some of our top listed players look stupid 2nd grade footballers that they are
Thomas would fit into my side any day before a over rated Deledio & Tambling, :rollin
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No comment from you WP on Dale Thomas ;D figures
l did tell you this lad will produce against us, he made some of our top listed players look stupid 2nd grade footballers that they are
Thomas would fit into my side any day before a over rated Deledio & Tambling, :rollin
I think I must be a bit of a moron Tigermonk because I would have Lids over Thomas. Thomas is allowed to shine with the Collingwood senior players giving him the space, delivery and support that Lids just doesn't recieve.
How good would Lids be if he had space and support that Thomas has?! Its hard to imagine but if you dought my reasoning then all you have to do is compare them when they were in a similar situation with a similiar standard of player around them - pre-draft- and you can see that Lids is by far the superior player.
Sorry Tigermonk, just my take.
Stripes
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that goes with tambling also, noy lids nor blingers fault they ended up at the poohole called tigerland
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im not 100% sure but i think cam wood was a tiger fan , why didnt we chase him to help patto. simmonds is finished, heavy lumbering slow turd and weak to boot
whats with the bs about his sprint and endurance power training. the dumb poo runs on the spot and a fat old grandma can run faster than him
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im not 100% sure but i think cam wood was a tiger fan , why didnt we chase him to help patto. simmonds is finished, heavy lumbering slow turd and weak to boot
whats with the bs about his sprint and endurance power training. the dumb pooh runs on the spot and a fat old grandma can run faster than him
rumour has it we sent people to see him play at Queensland state level and according to us he couldnt play lol ... thats the story around the traps but its just a rumour and could be wrong
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so i assume miller saw him play!
millerfluked a wayne carey deal and has lived off that all his life
has no idea and should foq
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dale thomas over any of our recruits anyday.
funny thing is tambling, lids are made to look even more poo in our team because there are no class around.
just had a thought about buddy, roughead, griffen and whoever else.
we have such a pathetic losing culture at punt road that say we did pick up buddy, who knows we might be saying right now why didnt we get lids and tambling.
i think whoever walks through the doors at punt road inherits a losing culture. What chance do we have with a spin shi..tting coach and a captain who makes richi vandenberg seem like a brownlow medalist compared to him.
anyone hear wallace press conference when he danced around so many questions eventually confusing everyone with his alan didak possession game vrs the whole rfc.
he is soft and the players play like that. he says its not a weak thing. well i must be at the wrong game because what i saw is a bunch of soft c grade footballers who dont play for each other
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:rollin you dont watch much football if your happy with Deledio
There is no comparison Thomas poos over Deledio, his proven this with his solid on field performances
His exciting to watch & makes the crowd & commentators stand up & take notice
His a creator of the play & sets up goals & breaks his tags & breaks tackles as well as laying heavy tackles
Deledio cant even break a tag & struggles when the chips are down
where was he yesterday :lol he was receiving the ball most of the time & messing around with it leatherburns about 20+ worthless possies & red fingers why he would have had to scrub his hands from over use
Kingy even thought he was gunna get away & Thomas nailed him on his ass. Kingy gives a bigger effort every week than Deledio & his off the rookie list & in his second year & he never shy away from a contest or a fight
Deledio is damaged goods by the TW coaching. you will find he will leave Tigerland in a few seasons he wont like the culture
One year player deserving of the Rising star but done nothing since. Your saying he aint got the reins, thats rubbish if Kingy can get around the ground so can Deledio its just he does not want to put the effort in.
Deledio has become a passenger & needs to use his footy smart brain more often & take on the game instead of helping with useless stats & needs to kick goals. He has the speed & the ability to make a change but goes missing all to often
TW needs to be sacked before Deledio moves onto another club cause thats what will happen come contract time someone will offer him something he wont get at Tigerland like playing in a premiership like Ottens
Dont use the senior players as Deledio or Tambling being passengers if Jake King can perform every week there is no reason for anyone to use that excuse its poor effort from all concerned l aint even started yet on Browny, McMahon, Newman, Pettifer, & a few others
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im not 100% sure but i think cam wood was a tiger fan , why didnt we chase him to help patto. simmonds is finished, heavy lumbering slow turd and weak to boot
whats with the bs about his sprint and endurance power training. the dumb pooh runs on the spot and a fat old grandma can run faster than him
Glad you mention Patto there X
Patto can hold his tail in his hand with Kingy & Thursfield while the rest can hold their tales between thier legs
Remember l said the Hawks were sniffing Patto out of the Tiger den cause they held big raps for him well now you know why
Patto is a hawks supporter dont be surprised is he aint sniffed out of the camp
His one player who for his size stands out & he kicks goals when most needed & battles in the ruck & makes space to receive the ball
Simmonds should be destroying some of these Ruckmen but its Patto who is the best performer & l liked his game yesterday
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tigermonk seriously if u were deledio or patto wouldn't u leave punt road.
with wallace there and no future with this list, these players will win flags with other clubs and thats a FACT!!
they will look at otto and rodan as inspirations and think well thats what i can look forward to if i leave this mess.
u can blame no one other than wallace when this happens.
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There is so much anger on this forum directed at TW and most of it is just emotive and reactive. I find it disappointing that people can't see that the senior players are as much, if not more, to blame with our insipit performances as the coach and that the predicament we find ourselves is a direct result of poor recruiting and trade decisions made by the last coach and administration.
I can understand people frustrations and I also understand some peoples beliefs due to their previous professional working relationships they held with the club but I want I can't understand is how everything that goes wrong is directed at the one sourse. This is exactly the reason we have never gone anywhere as a club in the last 25 years because we continually lay all the blame on the coach, sack him, bring in a new coach and when things go wong again we sack them and the cycle continues.
We need to look at the whole club not just the coach and we need to take in all the circumstances and facts before we lay emotive and reactive judgements. The fact is that we find ourselves in this situation because of poor recruiting, poor trading, poor administration and poor decisions by past and present Tigers people.
At the moment it as much to do with where we are at as a club as what we are doing. If we need to point the finger and find where to direct our blame then it is at the senior players. They have been underperforming for over a decade.
Yes TW has made errors and plenty of them but to say that we have no chance of success why he is at the helm is just short sighted and unfair.
It is time to stop blaming the coach for everything and start looking at the players, the administration and even the supporters for we all have had and still do, an impact on our current plight.
Its time to learn from our errors, look beyond the moment and take in all the facts before we react. If TW goes after all of that then at least we know it is because of the right reasons and not just because we are looking for a quick fix and a scape goat.
I don't want to make the same 25 year old mistake again. I'm sick of losing.
Stripes
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As Kevin Sheedy once stated Terry Wallace can stick his Basketball gameplan, he won't win many games with it & will destroy football & the supporters will not tolerate it :thumbsup how true
a very alert old lady said to me yesterday where do l think we going wrong. l said probably the same reason as you think not giving in easily to her. Her reply was the aweful game plan l think we got to get rid of him, l said who we got to get rid off, she replied Wallace & his other sidekicks. she was about 80 years old & makes sence to me
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Good point Tigermonk with Kingy. He does continue to work hard and fight for the ball and his teammates at every opportunity but he usually plays in a part of the ground where he doesn't have to rely upon his team mates to the same extent as Lids does.
In the backline you are more reactive and Kingy is tremendous at picking up the crumbs and working the ball out of the defensive arch. Unfortunately when he goes into the middle on the odd occasion he suffers the same problems (to a lesser degree of corse because he is not tagged) as Lids does and needs to win his own footy or wait for others to deliver it to him.
In the positions Lids plays he needs to fight alone to win the football ususally against multiple opponents, one hanging onto him all the time, where Thomas has others to support him. The delivery to Thomas in the forwardline is typically beautiful and regardless he is the 4th or 5th best option in the midfield or forwardline whereas Lids is usually first or second.
Kingy is not the player Lids is, despite his tenacity and the opposition knows it. This why he is unmercilessly tagged and why he recieves one of the best opposition defenders every week. in another team he wouldn't have to.
Kingy often wins more because he does not have to rely upon anyone...at this stage of his career Lids has too :(
Stripes
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As Kevin Sheedy once stated Terry Wallace can stick his Basketball gameplan, he won't win many games with it & will destroy football & the supporters will not tolerate it :thumbsup how true
a very alert old lady said to me yesterday where do l think we going wrong. l said probably the same reason as you think not giving in easily to her. Her reply was the aweful game plan l think we got to get rid of him, l said who we got to get rid off, she replied Wallace & his other sidekicks. she was about 80 years old & makes sence to me
TW game plan is but one slice of the pie Tigermonk, the other parts are equally to blame but like our senior players, it would be unwise to throw away the whole cake before we create a new one.
I agree that we need to play a style of football where we shepherd/block more to create space for the ball carrier and forward to run or lead into rather than always looking to recieve the ball. I agree that we need to restructure our forward structure so our forwards work together more to get goals and I agree that we need to play more to our strengths and not fall into the strengths of others but...
I do understand that we have a young, inexperienced and 'light' list that would struggle to execute such a physically demanding game plan. I inderstand that we often lose the one on ones across the ground not because of our skill level but because of our players sizes. I understand that when we are pressured that we do turn it over because we do not have the experience or confidence to risk making a mistake and try and break the lines.
Our players are learning, they are developing, they strengthening so not every game plan will work for us right now and you will see us getting beaten by the more experinced teams not because of our talent but because of the game plan they have to play at the moment.
Could TW have made better changes during the game - yes, could he have tried to have the players break through the flooded F50 arch - possibly but could he have made them able to develop 5 years worth of game time into one game - no.
Its about what he has to work with as much as what he does with them.
Stripes
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There is so much anger on this forum directed at TW and most of it is just emotive and reactive. I find it disappointing that people can't see that the senior players are as much, if not more, to blame with our insipit performances as the coach and that the predicament we find ourselves is a direct result of poor recruiting and trade decisions made by the last coach and administration.
I can understand people frustrations and I also understand some peoples beliefs due to their previous professional working relationships they held with the club but I want I can't understand is how everything that goes wrong is directed at the one sourse. This is exactly the reason we have never gone anywhere as a club in the last 25 years because we continually lay all the blame on the coach, sack him, bring in a new coach and when things go wong again we sack them and the cycle continues.
We need to look at the whole club not just the coach and we need to take in all the circumstances and facts before we lay emotive and reactive judgements. The fact is that we find ourselves in this situation because of poor recruiting, poor trading, poor administration and poor decisions by past and present Tigers people.
At the moment it as much to do with where we are at as a club as what we are doing. If we need to point the finger and find where to direct our blame then it is at the senior players. They have been underperforming for over a decade.
Yes TW has made errors and plenty of them but to say that we have no chance of success why he is at the helm is just short sighted and unfair.
It is time to stop blaming the coach for everything and start looking at the players, the administration and even the supporters for we all have had and still do, an impact on our current plight.
Its time to learn from our errors, look beyond the moment and take in all the facts before we react. If TW goes after all of that then at least we know it is because of the right reasons and not just because we are looking for a quick fix and a scape goat.
I don't want to make the same 25 year old mistake again. I'm sick of losing.
Stripes
yes it is the fault of wallace as much as it was spud. he is weak like the rest of the senior team.
i blame the players, assistant coaches, tw miller and anyone else involved in recruiting.
i am not angry because i used to work for the club as u so put it, i am angry because i believe TW game plan is rubbish. the senior players are rubbish. why i blame him is because he refuses to dump players instead he keeps picking them to save his own career.
He is a disgraceful coach who is weak and has brought the club to as low as it has been.
He rivals spud, giesh bartlett as the worst coach i have seen walk through punt road.
your wrong we will go nowhere with him as coach. Ive said it all along we need a malthouse type at our club not this pathetic man who might as well speak mandarin when talking to his players.
he employs his own mates instead of exploring others. i can go on but i wont
cant wait to see the back of him. 4 years and we have not improved one bit. thats sad.
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As Kevin Sheedy once stated Terry Wallace can stick his Basketball gameplan, he won't win many games with it & will destroy football & the supporters will not tolerate it :thumbsup how true
a very alert old lady said to me yesterday where do l think we going wrong. l said probably the same reason as you think not giving in easily to her. Her reply was the aweful game plan l think we got to get rid of him, l said who we got to get rid off, she replied Wallace & his other sidekicks. she was about 80 years old & makes sence to me
TW game plan is but one slice of the pie Tigermonk, the other parts are equally to blame but like our senior players, it would be unwise to throw away the whole cake before we create a new one.
I agree that we need to play a style of football where we shepherd/block more to create space for the ball carrier and forward to run or lead into rather than always looking to recieve the ball. I agree that we need to restructure our forward structure so our forwards work together more to get goals and I agree that we need to play more to our strengths and not fall into the strengths of others but...
I do understand that we have a young, inexperienced and 'light' list that would struggle to execute such a physically demanding game plan. I inderstand that we often lose the one on ones across the ground not because of our skill level but because of our players sizes. I understand that when we are pressured that we do turn it over because we do not have the experience or confidence to risk making a mistake and try and break the lines.
Our players are learning, they are developing, they strengthening so not every game plan will work for us right now and you will see us getting beaten by the more experinced teams not because of our talent but because of the game plan they have to play at the moment.
Could TW have made better changes during the game - yes, could he have tried to have the players break through the flooded F50 arch - possibly but could he have made them able to develop 5 years worth of game time into one game - no.
Its about what he has to work with as much as what he does with them.
Stripes
rubbish Lids has got plenty around him to help in Foley Tuck & others there is no excuse
Kingy l dont think you been watching who he is playing on has taken some big name players other the weeks
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As Kevin Sheedy once stated Terry Wallace can stick his Basketball gameplan, he won't win many games with it & will destroy football & the supporters will not tolerate it :thumbsup how true
a very alert old lady said to me yesterday where do l think we going wrong. l said probably the same reason as you think not giving in easily to her. Her reply was the aweful game plan l think we got to get rid of him, l said who we got to get rid off, she replied Wallace & his other sidekicks. she was about 80 years old & makes sence to me
TW game plan is but one slice of the pie Tigermonk, the other parts are equally to blame but like our senior players, it would be unwise to throw away the whole cake before we create a new one.
I agree that we need to play a style of football where we shepherd/block more to create space for the ball carrier and forward to run or lead into rather than always looking to recieve the ball. I agree that we need to restructure our forward structure so our forwards work together more to get goals and I agree that we need to play more to our strengths and not fall into the strengths of others but...
I do understand that we have a young, inexperienced and 'light' list that would struggle to execute such a physically demanding game plan. I inderstand that we often lose the one on ones across the ground not because of our skill level but because of our players sizes. I understand that when we are pressured that we do turn it over because we do not have the experience or confidence to risk making a mistake and try and break the lines.
Our players are learning, they are developing, they strengthening so not every game plan will work for us right now and you will see us getting beaten by the more experinced teams not because of our talent but because of the game plan they have to play at the moment.
Could TW have made better changes during the game - yes, could he have tried to have the players break through the flooded F50 arch - possibly but could he have made them able to develop 5 years worth of game time into one game - no.
Its about what he has to work with as much as what he does with them.
Stripes
As stated by the club there will be no more excuses. The club had a good preseason & have a complete fit unjury free list to choose from
most of the players have been with the club for several season & need to stand up & play for the jumper
stop protecting the players & the gameplan there both poo we beat the skunks last year with the same list there are no excuses from that performance
only player missing was Raines & his a bozo that no-one would miss
Problem lays with the coach & his players
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There is so much anger on this forum directed at TW and most of it is just emotive and reactive. I find it disappointing that people can't see that the senior players are as much, if not more, to blame with our insipit performances as the coach and that the predicament we find ourselves is a direct result of poor recruiting and trade decisions made by the last coach and administration.
I can understand people frustrations and I also understand some peoples beliefs due to their previous professional working relationships they held with the club but I want I can't understand is how everything that goes wrong is directed at the one sourse. This is exactly the reason we have never gone anywhere as a club in the last 25 years because we continually lay all the blame on the coach, sack him, bring in a new coach and when things go wong again we sack them and the cycle continues.
We need to look at the whole club not just the coach and we need to take in all the circumstances and facts before we lay emotive and reactive judgements. The fact is that we find ourselves in this situation because of poor recruiting, poor trading, poor administration and poor decisions by past and present Tigers people.
At the moment it as much to do with where we are at as a club as what we are doing. If we need to point the finger and find where to direct our blame then it is at the senior players. They have been underperforming for over a decade.
Yes TW has made errors and plenty of them but to say that we have no chance of success why he is at the helm is just short sighted and unfair.
It is time to stop blaming the coach for everything and start looking at the players, the administration and even the supporters for we all have had and still do, an impact on our current plight.
Its time to learn from our errors, look beyond the moment and take in all the facts before we react. If TW goes after all of that then at least we know it is because of the right reasons and not just because we are looking for a quick fix and a scape goat.
I don't want to make the same 25 year old mistake again. I'm sick of losing.
Stripes
yes it is the fault of wallace as much as it was spud. he is weak like the rest of the senior team.
i blame the players, assistant coaches, tw miller and anyone else involved in recruiting.
i am not angry because i used to work for the club as u so put it, i am angry because i believe TW game plan is rubbish. the senior players are rubbish. why i blame him is because he refuses to dump players instead he keeps picking them to save his own career.
He is a disgraceful coach who is weak and has brought the club to as low as it has been.
He rivals spud, giesh bartlett as the worst coach i have seen walk through punt road.
your wrong we will go nowhere with him as coach. Ive said it all along we need a malthouse type at our club not this pathetic man who might as well speak mandarin when talking to his players.
he employs his own mates instead of exploring others. i can go on but i wont
cant wait to see the back of him. 4 years and we have not improved one bit. thats sad.
Which available quality coach would you replace him with then?
Are we suddenly going get a group of quality players at permiership age thrown in with the new coach?
Are we going to pump 5 years worth of experience and size into our youth as soon as TW is given the arse?
Getting rid of a coach, whoever it is, who is 3 and a bit years into a five year plan reeks of reactive, emotive disaster too me. I have no great love or hate for TW but I'm tired of cutting off our own nose to spite our face!
Stripes
P.S. By the way I didn't realize you used to work for the Tigers. My comment was directed elsewhere and was not a negative :-X.
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rubbish Lids has got plenty around him to help in Foley Tuck & others there is no excuse
Kingy l dont think you been watching who he is playing on has taken some big name players other the weeks
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Foley is the same age as Lids and Tucky is only there for his size. Who would you tag or put your best defenders on out of Foley/Lids or Tuck/Johnson? Who would you be more worried about at the moment in the forwardline after Richo - Browny has lost his mojo, Petts is ordinary and the rest are developing players themselves?
I am not trying to defend the indefendable (though it feels like it at the moment ;)) but I just want to put things into perspective. Thomas is a great player but he is given more opportunities to shine than Lids does - that is my whole point adn thats it.
Ask yourself this, do you think Thomas would be as good at Tigerland?
Stripes
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i know where u r coming from, and im not asking for terrys head yet.
i have maintained all along all our senior group must be sacked.
i would be more than happy to see terry play th ekids and watch us lose by 7 goals (or more) rather than watc h us lose by the same margins with our senior group.
if terry wants me to support him, he must make big changes with our team as of yesterday and send all our senior duds to finish the yr of at the coburg 2s
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tigermonk seriously if u were deledio or patto wouldn't u leave punt road.
with wallace there and no future with this list, these players will win flags with other clubs and thats a FACT!!
they will look at otto and rodan as inspirations and think well thats what i can look forward to if i leave this mess.
u can blame no one other than wallace when this happens.
offers will come to them you wait & see. maybe Sheeds will come savor us soon :lol ;D
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stripes he is a terrible coach mate. yes the senior players are for me the main cause of my disgust at our performance but geez mate bowden on medhurst and the way he dances around the real reason why we are average.
TW is not a good coach because he rewards failure. pathetic pettifer, bowden, tivendale should all be dropped.
i would rather get pumped with kids than see these players get us to within 50 points every week.
by the way anyone see john anthony yesterday? 2005 draft what a great size he has on him.
compare that to players we have on our list. our development issues falls straight on TW, king, and that idiot royal.
no other team in the afl would keep a coach for 4 or 5 years with no finals expierience.
Tw knew what he was doing when he came to punt road. unlike clarkson he chose to keep players like tivers and hyde on our list instead of a complete overhaul. that reeks of someone out of touch
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until every senior player at the club goes, we will go nowhere, Richmond should trade or delist every player over the age of 25 currently at Punt Rd.
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rubbish Lids has got plenty around him to help in Foley Tuck & others there is no excuse
Kingy l dont think you been watching who he is playing on has taken some big name players other the weeks
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Foley is the same age as Lids and Tucky is only there for his size. Who would you tag or put your best defenders on out of Foley/Lids or Tuck/Johnson? Who would you be more worried about at the moment in the forwardline after Richo - Browny has lost his mojo, Petts is ordinary and the rest are developing players themselves?
I am not trying to defend the indefendable (though it feels like it at the moment ;)) but I just want to put things into perspective. Thomas is a great player but he is given more opportunities to shine than Lids does - that is my whole point adn thats it.
Ask yourself this, do you think Thomas would be as good at Tigerland?
Stripes
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Teams dont need to tag us we destruct ourselves :lol & we get smashed most of the time & dont control the play so why would they tag us when they have control of the ball most of the day. everyone says Foley gets tagged alot when its his player that is taking the ball from the contest aint that funny :lol & its always there players running in packs out of the centre with the ball hence the roos game. l dont call that tagging l call it player match up & l'm yet to watch the replay of yesterday game cause its really not worth it
We use Jackson to tag players, l think he does a good job when not half beaten to death & cloth hanging off
you tag players who are dominating the game like Thomas but seriously Richmond dont have any player capable of damaging a side over 4 quarters to worry about being tagged, we just dont have a damaging player who stands out all day.
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stripes
i know where u r coming from, and im not asking for terrys head yet.
i have maintained all along all our senior group must be sacked.
i would be more than happy to see terry play th ekids and watch us lose by 7 goals (or more) rather than watc h us lose by the same margins with our senior group.
if terry wants me to support him, he must make big changes with our team as of yesterday and send all our senior duds to finish the yr of at the coburg 2s
{X} (Great name though but I prefer you previous avatar :))
I am glad you can see where I'm coming from and I agree completely with what you are saying. The only reason the senior players should ever get a game from here on end is to help the kids full stop. If they are not either offers leadership, delivery, support or a 'buffer' then move them on permanently.
Tiv, Petts, Bowden and unfortunately Browny offer us nothing that a young player doesn't already so they should be moved on...
Johnson gives us experience and some talent in the middle so he can stay temporarily while Richo should move on for the opportunity for your young forwards to create a new Forward Team as I've harped on about earlier.
I not trying to say with all these posts that TW should not share in some of the blame for our current predicament (sp?) but just that there are other people that are more responsible at the moment than him. I think TW is perfect for the club at the moment to get us through this rebuilding stage. If he wasn't good with the media and good at spreading the message the Tigers suporters would have derailed the process long a go.
If TW proves to be inept by the end of his contract then at least we have the satisfaction of knowing he allowed us to build up a large group of potentially good players who will hold us in good stead for the future.
At the moment though, if we have to point the finger at players, start at the top because they are not doing there job.
Stripes
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rubbish Lids has got plenty around him to help in Foley Tuck & others there is no excuse
Kingy l dont think you been watching who he is playing on has taken some big name players other the weeks
Foley is the same age as Lids and Tucky is only there for his size. Who would you tag or put your best defenders on out of Foley/Lids or Tuck/Johnson? Who would you be more worried about at the moment in the forwardline after Richo - Browny has lost his mojo, Petts is ordinary and the rest are developing players themselves?
I am not trying to defend the indefendable (though it feels like it at the moment ;)) but I just want to put things into perspective. Thomas is a great player but he is given more opportunities to shine than Lids does - that is my whole point adn thats it.
Ask yourself this, do you think Thomas would be as good at Tigerland?
Stripes
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Teams dont need to tag us we destruct ourselves :lol & we get smashed most of the time & dont control the play so why would they tag us when they have control of the ball most of the day. everyone says Foley gets tagged alot when its his player that is taking the ball from the contest aint that funny :lol & its always there players running in packs out of the centre with the ball hence the roos game. l dont call that tagging l call it player match up & l'm yet to watch the replay of yesterday game cause its really not worth it
We use Jackson to tag players, l think he does a good job when not half beaten to death & cloth hanging off
you tag players who are dominating the game like Thomas but seriously Richmond dont have any player capable of damaging a side over 4 quarters to worry about being tagged, we just dont have a damaging player who stands out all day.
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Lets hope we have more players tagged then in future ;)
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All the Dale Thomas knockers have gone to ground :thumbsup ;D :lol :rollin :rollin
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All the Dale Thomas knockers have gone to ground :thumbsup ;D :lol :rollin :rollin
was thinking the same thing.
and what about the guys that knocked me when i said last year that i would rather leon davis than pettifer.
cant find those people anymore either.
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Neon Leon is getting better every year
but yeah looks like they really peeed off about young Dale Thomas
he took them on & won compared to Tambling freightened football, walking behind play & skill errors
Deledio was not sighted much at all for being damaging as l said these 2 are overated & need to start performing like other club cubs
was poor Kingy, Moore, Thursfield, Patto shining doing the work
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All the Dale Thomas knockers have gone to ground :thumbsup ;D :lol :rollin :rollin
Not me - still don't rate him that highly ;D Missed a couple of opportunities to really put some defensvie pressure on in the F50 but again didn't chase but people don't worry about these things because the Pies were miles in front ;D
And can I just add I nearly choked on my porridge the other morning when it said in the HUN that 7 or 8 (cant' remember which) of his possessions were contested :gobdrop As JP McEnroe would say "You cant be serious" :rollin
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well your wrong he did get the contested ball many times he freakin swamped us & spend alot of time on the bench also
there is no perfect footballer in the AFL even Judd & Harvey make mistakes during the game, what you want to curse him for a few mistakes :rollin what about the good stuff he did to maul us :lol just wait till the end of year he will poll more brownlow votes then any gutless Richmond player
if you dont rate him highly you never played football in your life :lol :lol & dont know what your talking about :rollin
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All the Dale Thomas knockers have gone to ground :thumbsup ;D :lol :rollin :rollin
Not me - still don't rate him that highly ;D Missed a couple of opportunities to really put some defensvie pressure on in the F50 but again didn't chase but people don't worry about these things because the Pies were miles in front ;D
And can I just add I nearly choked on my porridge the other morning when it said in the HUN that 7 or 8 (cant' remember which) of his possessions were contested :gobdrop As JP McEnroe would say "You cant be serious" :rollin
u poor man powell. u are living in a bubble if u believe that.
he ran rings around mcmahon, not one many times.
on the wing, he won the 50/50 ball and ran right away from ur mate jordy.
he will be a gun if he isn't already. 200 game player no mistake.
how many of those types have we got. none!!
open ur eyes pal instead of being so biased.
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there is no perfect footballer in the AFL even Judd & Harvey make mistakes during the game, what you want to curse him for a few mistakes :rollin what about the good stuff he did to maul us :lol just wait till the end of year he will poll more brownlow votes then any gutless Richmond player
if you dont rate him highly you never played football in your life :lol :lol & dont know what your talking about :rollin
GOTCHA 1
A lot of people reckon I don't know what i am talking about :lol :rollin :thumbsup I did play footy when I was kid until I got suspended for whacking my brother ;D
u poor man powell. u are living in a bubble if u believe that.
he ran rings around mcmahon, not one many times.
on the wing, he won the 50/50 ball and ran right away from ur mate jordy.
he will be a gun if he isn't already. 200 game player no mistake.
how many of those types have we got. none!!
open ur eyes pal instead of being so biased.
:rollin :rollin GOTCHA 2
Firstly Jordy aint no mate of mine
Secondly my eyes are wide open.
Biased me .... never just like having some fun. :rollin
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;D :thumbsup
anyway time to lock this Skunk thread ;D