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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 25, 2008, 04:55:46 PM
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Bookies odds are huge for what will be a wet weather game....
TAB Sportsbet Odds
Head to Head
Hawthorn $1.16
Richmond $4.65
Line
Hawthorn -28.5 Pts $1.97
Richmond +28.5 Pts $1.83
Margin
Hawthorn Under 39.5 Pts $2.20
Hawthorn Over 39.5 Pts $2.25
Richmond Under 39.5 Pts $ 5.50
Richmond Over 39.5 Pts $21.00
Draw 51.00
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Clarkson wary of Tiger upset
West Australian
26th April 2008, 10:45 WST
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson’s belief that AFL ladder positions are irrelevant was reinforced by last night’s Geelong-Fremantle clash.
And when the Hawks tackle the Richmond at the MCG tomorrow he will be highly conscious of the fact that the Tigers pulled off something that unbeaten reigning premiers Geelong couldn’t.
They demolished Fremantle at their Subiaco home base.
The ladder-leading Cats escaped with a one-point win over the Dockers last night while in round four Richmond, who were recently elevated to the top eight, romped to victory.
“Richmond have been in really good form, they actually beat Fremantle by 10 goals over in the West and the reigning premier could only just sneak over the line,” Clarkson said today.
“Everyone looks at ladder positions but we know every game’s extremely tough and we’ve got a fair amount of regard for the way Richmond are going about it at the present time.”
But he is at least confident that Hawthorn’s busy midfield should be able to dominate, the key to any game, he said.
“It’s always the same with every game that you play, it’s midfield supply and Richmond have got a very dangerous forward line, if the ball gets in their quickly.
“Similarly our forward line’s damaging too if we can get the ball in there frequently.
“The midfield battle’s going to be crucial and we like to think we stack up pretty well in there with (Luke) Hodge, (Sam) Mitchell, (Brad) Sewell, (Chance) Bateman and (Jordan) Lewis through the middle of the ground."
"But we also recognise Richmond is quite strong in that area of the ground - (Nathan) Foley is a tremendous young player and Kane Johnson's been in terrific form for them. So it'll be a real tough contest for us tomorrow."
The forecast is for rain, a rarity in matches these days, but Clarkson said slow conditions would not hamper the side’s star big men, including the athletic goalkicker Lance Franklin.
“We don’t play in wet conditions that much over the whole AFL competition so apart from actually changing your mindset in terms of the way you approach the ball we won’t change the structure of our side or the way that we play too much,” Clarkson said.
“All sides like to be hard at the footy and whether it’s wet or dry conditions the same principles apply.”
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=12&ContentID=69921
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Bookies odds are huge for what will be a wet weather game....
TAB Sportsbet Odds
Head to Head
Hawthorn $1.16
Richmond $4.65
Line
Hawthorn -28.5 Pts $1.97
Richmond +28.5 Pts $1.83
Margin
Hawthorn Under 39.5 Pts $2.20
Hawthorn Over 39.5 Pts $2.25
Richmond Under 39.5 Pts $ 5.50
Richmond Over 39.5 Pts $21.00
Draw 51.00
I`m sorry but i`ve got a bit of a bad feeling about this. If they had no Buddy and we hung last week i`d rate us but i think they have the talent to touch us up. Sorry for being negative :'(
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If we win we go to 6th but yep this is going to tough. Even when the Hawks were crap and we were okay they were still a bit of a bogey side. The only weakness in their armour is lack of height in their defence but with their midfield and forward line so potent they can get away with it. Their ruck isn't top notch either but Campbell and Taylor are decent enough for that midfield. We've just got to keep playing the way we've played in the past 2 weeks and try to match them in the midfield clearances and get it forward quickly to try and expose their defence. In the wet weather keep it simple and direct, put our head over the ball and be first to it. That's really all we can do. We need to put in at least a competitive performance. In the wet the scores should be low.
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We need to be aggressive and not go into our shells if the Hawks come out fighting. Could be a spiteful match but some how I feel more comfortable about handling the agro with our younger players than our senior guys. Pity Connors isn't playing. Campbell Brown isn't nearly as impressive as Barry Hall. lol.
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we will win today, would not surprise me if today is our "crunchball" game
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Just a personal opinion but the Hawks arent that good !!!!!! Over rated IMO.
I reckon thay are a tad on the slow side compared to us. Of course this doesnt mean that we are better or will win but if we can get our running game going past their zone defence we are a chance.
You will noticed that Hawthorn always have 2 players zoned of at CHB then when they get the ball they sprint forward. If we bomb it down there we are gone but if we think through it and run we can score heavily. It will help that Richo isnt down there demanding the ball. I expect Morton, Brown and Deledio to kick quite a few goals.
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yep, totally agree
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What is the weather doing in Melbourne today?, raining up here(Corowa). If it rains today do you think that alters our chances? Hawks bigger bodies may be suited but our pace may stand out. Will buddy be bought down a peg by a slippery ball and surface?
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Cold and grey. Not a lot of rain ATM but everything is still wet from rain last night. Wouldn't be surprised if there is more rain.
lol. Sun just broke through the clouds and cam through the skylight in my lounge as I typed this. Don't expect to see much of it though. There gone before I finished this sentence.
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Cold and grey. Not a lot of rain ATM but everything is still wet from rain last night. Wouldn't be surprised if there is more rain.
lol. Sun just broke through the clouds and cam through the skylight in my lounge as I typed this. Don't expect to see much of it though. There gone before I finished this sentence.
Gold :thumbsupRunning commentary on weather!
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blue skies and sunshine here in geelong, but hey that could change in 5 minutes.
if we have no rain by 4.30, lets start a rain dance
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I just went to the AFL site and had a look at game day live. According to that Bowden is on the interchange instead of McGuane. What's with that? Is it true or is it just the typical AFL site carelessness.
Looks like they are talking about something similar on PRE but they don't mention the player involved.
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Strating to get gloomy in Warrnambool after a beautiful morning !!! It will be raining here by 2pm.
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According to the AFL Game Day Live Morton is out too, replaced by Jackson.
I seriously hope they are full of poo.
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They have the 3 emergencies from the Hawks in their stats too. I wouldnt be too worrie.d
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They have the 3 emergencies from the Hawks in their stats too. I wouldnt be too worrie.d
lol. AFL/Telstra crap.
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The AFL site oftens lists only 22 even when there's a Sunday squad of 25. So they have just left off the last 3 names on the extended interchange bench that was named Thursday night.
In any case Collins played for Coburg ressies today so we should be unchanged.
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whats the go with coverage? :cheers
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whats the go with coverage? :cheers
SEN and ABC 774 are doing the radio coverage.
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fox sports1 live and active
pooh im getting really peeed off with all this buddy and hawks hype, i hope we smash these mutha f'ers
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We'll keep score updates here too :thumbsup.
SEN link: http://sen1116.conexim.com.au/sen1116_16.asx
Odds:
Hawthorn $1.23
Richmond $4.40
24.5 point start to us.
Brereton asked how much for Buddy to kick double figures ::) and Hudson said the Buddy show isn't far away going into the break ::).
Brereton has Hawks as a 6-7 goal better side. Too much class in the midfield. Only Lids and Foley are our class midfielders. Hawks more potent in the forward line too.
Eddie said Wallace has to outcoach Clarkson by 5 goals in the coaching box.
Thomas said we need to play with the same attitude of the past 2 weeks.
Fine night but cool and crisp. A bit of dew on the ground. 14 degrees.
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Foley to Browny to Richo. Point.
Moore on Franklin. Thursty on Williams.
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Roughead missed from the goalsquare running into goal :lol. Then missed again.
McGuane on Roughead
We're stuffing around with it in the defensive 50. Turnover. Hodge misses.
1 - 3
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Another turnover on the wing from a poor kick. Ends up with Franklin.
1 - 9
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Getting numbers behind the ball so we're outnumbered up forward kicking to 2 on 1's and turnining it over.
Richo loose man in defence.
1 - 10
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How is that holding the ball :banghead ::)
1 - 16
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Terry's got the defence match-ups wrong. Roughead is too big for McGuane. Thursty should be on him.
1 - 22
This could be 100 points the way it's going. Don't look like scoring.
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great..........
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We finally get it inside 50. Morton goals :gotigers
7 - 23
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Browny goals
13 - 23
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Justice. Buddy misses. Hands in the back rule is a joke :banghead.
13 - 24
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Richo turns it over straight to Campbell Brown :P. Goal to Hawthorn.
13 - 30
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how good has the umpiring been.................not
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Back to happy handball :scream
Johnson goals anyway :gotigers.
19 - 30
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Patto to Schulz to Morton to Tuck on the boundary. Goal :gotigers
25 - 30
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Another soft free to Hawthorn up forward :banghead
LOL Buddy the tool :lol
25 - 31
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What happened to White? Got cleaned up? Is he okay?
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If they didn't pay that pathetic free against Jake we would be in front.
The Hawk player would have to be reported on White.
White looks okay
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Richo is having one of those days :P
Quarter time
Rich 4.1-25
Haw 4.7-31
Goals: Morton, Tuck, Sugar, Browny
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Possies:
Foley 11
McMahon 10
Richo 8 3 clangers
Tuck 8
Brown 7
King 6
Lids 5
Hyde 5
Sugar 5
McGuane 5
Schulz 5
Foley, Richo and Tuck have 50% effectiveness or less
Polak disappointing according to Thomas
Still fine but slippery
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Geez we can't get a free inside 50 yet they get the soft ones ::).
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Jack injured? and off.
Turnover from the kick-in :banghead. Hodge didn't make us pay.
25 - 33
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lids need to step it up
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Another turnover but Buddy misses. They're keeping us in it.
25 - 34
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wtf is eddie on sen.
As for grant thomas - what a stuffhead
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Buddy ran too far you idiots so it's a free ::)
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dermie says we r tiring - i see it the other way
must keep the intensity and we can snip 'em.
but these stuffen frees are killing us
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The Hawks are getting all their frees insdie 50 ::). Roughead misses.
25 - 35
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McGuane gonna have a nice shiner
Blood coming from his head
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Another free inside 50 to Hawthorn.
25 - 41
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Hawks getting on top again. We don't look like scoring. Polak just 1 handball.
25 - 47
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Riewoldt taken out of a marking contest - no free :banghead
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Blingers one-handed mark and goal. He's kicked as many as Buddy ;D
31 - 47
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Brownyyyy :gotigers
37 - 47
How we are still in this gods knows lol
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Browny goal s-p-e-c-i-a-l :bow
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Buddy misses again :lol
37 - 48
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Half-time
Rich 4.1 6.1-37
Haw 4.7 6.12-48
Goals: Browny 2, Tambo, Morton, Sugar, Tuck.
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The 11 extra shots isn't an indication of how good the Hawks are.
The Tiges have played pretty good I reckon
Hawks are a class above, but on any given day anyone can win.
We're not out of this.
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Our pressure and intensity is very good but our disposal is crap and we have gone back to being too handball happy. All our goals have come from smalls.
Possies:
McMahon 18
Sugar 16
Tuck 16
Lids 15
Foley 15
King 15
Browny 14
Richo 14
Hyde 10
82 kicks and a whopping 126 handballs. We've had more of the ball but done bugger all with it.
Clerances and clangers are even.
Inside 50s: 16 - 27 :help
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Lids at FF :-\. Polak has been useless today.
Schulz to a hot Richo. Turnover.
37 - 49
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Polak finally holds it up. Lids misses. Hawks run it up other end and Roughead goals.
38 - 55
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Buddy hogs it again and misses. Polak to the wing and Richo to FF.
Handballing stupidity and we get caught holding the ball again. Turnover. Then 50 + more from the ump.
38 - 57
They should be 10 goals up.
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King to Lids. Rushed through.
39 - 57
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Morton free to Richo :gotigers
45 - 58
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Lids off with maybe an ankle? :(
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Jack runs in and goals :gotigers
51 - 58
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Rioli pulls one out of his backside.
51 - 64
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Richo goal. Well done right from defnece. McGuane, Tambling, Edwards, Foley to Richo
57 - 64
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Jack marks at CHF to Browny 45m out. Goallllllllllllllllllllllll! :gotigers
63 - 64
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Buddy misses being a hog again.
Lids back on. Richo off having a rest.
We run it up and Schulzzzzzzzzz marks :gotigers.
69 - 65
Wohhooooooooooooooooo!
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oh god! we're in front????
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Will played on when he had to hold it up. Turnover but the Hawks miss again.
Mcmahon turns it over from the kick-in.
69 - 72
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Another no free to Richo ::)
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2 goals in time on because we didn't shut it down :banghead.
69 - 78
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Jack didn't see Browny open and we get only a point.
3/4 time
Rich 4.1 6.1 11.4-70
Haw 4.7 6.12 10.18-78
Goals: Browny 3, Richo 2, Morton, Tuck, Tambling, Riewoldt, Sugar
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Possies:
McMahon 24
Sugar 23
King 23
Tuck 23
Lids 20
Foley 20
Richo 18
Browny 17
Simmo 15
Tambling 14
Kicks: 125
Hballs: 175
Richmond supporter has thrown a haymaker
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Richo goals :gotigers
76 - 78
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Buddy shins it again lol.
76 - 79
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Another target missed. Turnover.
76 - 85
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you are doing a top job MT....how sweet it would be if Richo kicks the winning goal....hawks supporters would love that! :gotigers
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Browny into the midfield.
Hawk miss again.
White kicks it across goal and out on the full.
76 - 86
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We're getting enough of the footy but stuffing it or kicking it to out numbered contests.
Another free to the Hawks inside 50 ::). Miss.
76 - 87
Richo can't kick short so it bombing it and we lose possession across the wing.
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Eddie going off because the bad thrown-in was recalled :lol.
Richo free. 15m out and goals :gotigers.
82 - 87
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Blingers taken high no free because ump blind sided. There's 3 of you ::)
From the bounce Hawks clear and Rioli goals.
82 - 93
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Hodge then receives a free for the same exact thing :banghead
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Tambling to McGuance long to Jack to Morton goal :gotigers
88 - 93
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Moore has done a great job on Buddy. Holding the ball :clapping. We cough it up down the line. McGlynn misses.
88 - 94
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Two holding the balls not paid to us. Whistle thrown away.
We had it forward but Hawks clear and get it to Roughead. Goal.
88 - 100
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Eddie says White has done his knee? ???
Roughead gets his 5th. We're gone now.
88 - 106
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Buddy may have hurt his shoulder.
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Richo to Morton to Lids. Goal.
94 - 106
1.40 to go.
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Final Score:
Rich 4.1 6.1 11.4 15.4-94
Haw 4.7 6.12 10.18 14.22-106
Goals: Richo 4, Browny 3, Morton 2, Tambling, Schulz, Deledio, Tuck, Johnson, Riewoldt
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I'm happy with that, if nothing else our kicking for goal has improved, Richo seems to be loving his new role....thanks for the reports MT it is much appreciated :gotigers
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A reasonable effort - best part was Richmond coming back over and over even though outclassed. Worst part was listening to those Fox commentators - sickening.
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if you staying at home watching it on fox why not put the audio on umpires l beleive it would have been a Live (red button) game
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Final Score:
Rich 4.1 6.1 11.4 15.4-94
Haw 4.7 6.12 10.18 14.22-106
Goals: Richo 4, Browny 3, Morton 2, Tambling, Schulz, Deledio, Tuck, Johnson, Riewoldt
MT why were you not at the game >:(
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I only rarely go to away games. Sunday twilight is also a crap time.
A reasonable effort - best part was Richmond coming back over and over even though outclassed. Worst part was listening to those Fox commentators - sickening.
SEN were just as bad. Almost wetting themselves everytime the ball went near Franklin. Brereton was going on straight afterwards that Hawthorn aren't near Geelong because we pushed them and he doesn't rate us at all. Only Thomas gave us a side compliment by saying next week is the first time in years he is concerned about St Kilda playing us.
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Who played on Roughead and got 5 kicked?
McGaune or Schultz?
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Who played on Roughead and got 5 kicked?
McGaune or Schultz?
Mcguane, but the delivery was exceptional and some crucial stupid turnovers at the end made it 5 goals instead of 3. Every ball that McGuane could have got to, he did except 1 where Roughy just out positioned him which is going to happen.
He wasnt that bad.
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It was a solid performance but the hawks are better than us at this stage, we are 2 inside/outside mids, 1 kpp and a 200cm+ ruckman short of being able to go to the next level.
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It was a solid performance but the hawks are better than us at this stage, we are 2 inside/outside mids, 1 kpp and a 200cm+ ruckman short of being able to go to the next level.
im with rampsopolous
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I only rarely go to away games. Sunday twilight is also a crap time.
A reasonable effort - best part was Richmond coming back over and over even though outclassed. Worst part was listening to those Fox commentators - sickening.
SEN were just as bad. Almost wetting themselves everytime the ball went near Franklin. Brereton was going on straight afterwards that Hawthorn aren't near Geelong because we pushed them and he doesn't rate us at all. Only Thomas gave us a side compliment by saying next week is the first time in years he is concerned about St Kilda playing us.
dermie and thomas, one doesnt pay their bills :shh and the other is always trying to screw some one else for more money. :lol
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Healy on us and how we handled Hawthorn's cluster zone
Last week, Terry Wallace started the game by trying to handball through the cluster up the corridor.
It was a disaster and the Tigers only found themselves in the match through persistence and moving the ball quickly around the cluster's perimeter before it had a chance to realign itself.
The worrying signs for the general is that over the past two weeks there have been a couple of deep cracks opening up behind the cluster; the Hawks have conceded a competition-high 40 per cent of forward 50 entries turning into goals, which makes it paramount that it holds firm.
Against Brisbane in Round 5, the Lions scored 17.16 from 48 entries, and last week the Tigers kicked 15 goals from 33 entries.
This suggests they formed a weak spot in high-scoring areas in front of goals, despite getting it there on very few occasions.
Full article at:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23631669-19742,00.html
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buddy has just nailed 6 goals 4 behinds on nathan brown from the pies.
u gotta take ur hat off to moore for his game on him. he is the only player to hold him to one goal this year
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You've got to laugh at how the media work. After bagging Blingers since we drafted him they are now getting stuck into Buddy over his goalkicking yips.
Against Richmond, whether by design or coincidence, it became clear that when Franklin was shooting at goal he was doing so with Tiger players along his left-hand line. The result was that he had to run straighter in his kicking action and he converted poorly (1.7 that day). Certainly not all that inaccuracy would be ascribed to this theory but it would appear it did not hurt.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/buddy-lineto-the-left-two-three/2008/05/14/1210764953314.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1