One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Stripes on June 14, 2008, 12:51:34 PM
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This used to be my forum of choice for conversing about the Tigers. I could always count on MT to provide excellent insights into training and the list in general, One-Eyed to be the first to post up breaking news and details and WP to give insider knowledge and balanced opinions.
The posters here all seemed passionate and knowledgable. I was amazed that some even had worked for the club in the past.
But lately every ounce of information and interesting conversation has been swamped by TW hate talk. In fact every single thread ends up being turned into another series of negative comments all aimed at out coach, players and previous decisions as a club.
I am sick of it! :banghead
WP and OE and beg you to do something about it. :pray We can not have every single thread destroyed by this black bitterness. It is a disease that threatens to destroy this site and is why there seems to be less and less posters frequenting this forum.
I propose that this thread is used for any future TW discussion and only this thread until some balance is reached. If it is not then I ask that you as administrators ban these posters until they get the message.
I don't agree with everything TW does or every decision the club has made but we need to put things into perspective and bring some balance back to these threads. We need some positivity to mix with the hate talk and some solutions to go with all the problems.
I call for an end to hyjacking every thread with this talk and ask for some balance and some intelligent discussion to return to this forum once again.
Keep your loathing to a minimum and discuss each topic on its own merits.
Now lets see if this forum is still alive or just filled with TW haters and general malcontents!
Stripes
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what is a malcontent, or is mal content a persons name. is it the same as the word delinquent or deliquency.
some people take things to seriously, its a forum.
people should chill.
and whilst yes i agree that it is getting out of hand, unless it turns into 1 on 1 assassination of peoples character then people should just take things as a grain of salt.
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I hear you Stripes.
I'm sick of defending Wallace, because when you get mad and defend him, it sounds just as bad as those who hate him.
Doesn't make it a pleasant place to be, and I'm just as bad in my defence of Terry as the other mob are.
It would be nice to find some kind of peace between the two sides for the sake of the board, but I don't see that happening.
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Ive found my new OER Gimmick
Im gonna be the
Boutros Boutros Ghali of OER
Anyone wanting the innitiation of peace talks, I will be the independent mediator :lol
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If they appoint Sheeds as coach, you might have a bit on your hands, Ramps ;D
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Is it time for Jackstar to go on a voluntary holiday (again)?
Maybe he could take Daniel with him.
:pray
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I am sure I have read some of this somewhere before.
I think there is still hope because even though we all see things differently, we all have the Tigers at heart and dont want out favorite forum wrecked. I also see that some posters take note of the requests to put threads back on topic so that gives me hope too.
I will keep reading, keep posting and keep all the guys eyes popping. Maybe might even win a competetion or two if I am lucky.
Not going anywhere yet
Fluffy :gotigers
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I am sure I have read some of this somewhere before.
I think there is still hope because even though we all see things differently, we all have the Tigers at heart and dont want out favorite forum wrecked. I also see that some posters take note of the requests to put threads back on topic so that gives me hope too.
I will keep reading, keep posting and keep all the guys eyes popping. Maybe might even win a competetion or two if I am lucky.
Not going anywhere yet
Fluffy :gotigers
Mr Fluff, I dont intend to give up my lead just yet in one of these comps. I have my eyes on one of those memorabilia cups they have for $350 and the $100 Ill get from winning the comp will mean I will pay less. I will not surrender my lead. ;D
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In 3 weeks time, this thread will have more posts than any other thread.
And at least Sheeds would bring some quality people to the club, not like Wallace. The Dominator, Monkhurst, Royal, David King ,, Gordon Casey etc etc. And dont forget Paul Armstrong either, lol
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there is also the matter of the people that wallet let go.
Like you.
Gotta give him a pat on the back for that one
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I agree with you too Stripes, Most of the threads end up down the same road and its damn boring. We know peoples opinion and dont need it to be rammed down our throats in every thread, nearly as tedious are the "I told you so's" . People will give credit where and when its due, no need to beat ones own chest. :gotigers
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there is also the matter of the people that wallet let go.
Like you.
Gotta give him a pat on the back for that one
I left and seeked employment elsewhere you clown. Had something to do with $$$$$$$$$, lol
What do you do in AFL Blaisee and what are your skills, I would love to know, you seem like the type of person that could be Terrys PA. yes, wipe his arse.
And furthermore whats even more amazing that even up to 4 weeks ago, he rang a former retired bulldogs player pleading with him to join the tiges as his runner, FACT. The person in question declined the offer.
Whats even more funnier that the people who he ""let go"" have gone to better things at other clubs.
Example. Paul Hudson, assistant coach at Brisbane.
Steve Alessio. General Manager of AFL Sports Ready.
Dave Wheedon, Asssistant and Devlopment coach at Geelong.
Tony Walsh. Asssistant to Ross Lyon.
As for 2JD comments about ramming things down peoples throats. if you want the tiges to remain totally unsuccessfull, give Wallace an extension of his contract now. He simply cant coach
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But thats the thing Jack, its not up to me, or you, so we dont need the ramming ;D
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As for 2JD comments about ramming things down peoples throats. if you want the tiges to remain totally unsuccessfull, give Wallace an extension of his contract now. He simply cant coach
Jack - you just don't get it do you ???
But guess what everyone else here gets it..... put simply we ALL get it
Everyone knows how you feel - we've had 18 months of it so anyone who doesn't know has either been living in a vacuum or on an island somewhere ;D
Personally I don't need to read the same thing bitter anti Wallace crap everyday, day after day, week after week.
I've just read on another thread where you told someone to "get a life sunshine". Might I suggest you either do the same or get something new to talk about because your bitterness towards the RFC wore thin quite some time ago.
Sorry I forgot you're not bitter, you're just telling it like it is because the rest of us have no idea and you love the RFC.
Newsflash for you every person who posts here has a passion for the RFC
I was also interested to read on another thread that you reckon if we lose the next 3 games then Wallace is gone.
Is this another one of your "get out of jail statements" ?
What happens if he wins 1 out of 3, 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3.
When is the next "d-day". What round?
You said at the start of the season he'd be gone by what was it round 6, then it was 8 after that I am not sure but he is still there...
You want to know what I think is really sad - we win tomorrow and people will be complaining because some want the tank, lose tomorrow and the fan works overtime again anyway, with more sack the coach dribble :banghead
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Does anyone have a picture of Boutros Boutros Ghali :D
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They say Terry is a BS Artist.
The way i see it,it's one more quality than any of our last 5 coaches had.
:scream
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Is it time for Jackstar to go on a voluntary holiday (again)?
Maybe he could take Daniel with him.
:pray
what a hero you are.
ive read back over most of your posts and they are as boring as watching paint dry.
get a life
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As for 2JD comments about ramming things down peoples throats. if you want the tiges to remain totally unsuccessfull, give Wallace an extension of his contract now. He simply cant coach
Jack - you just don't get it do you ???
But guess what everyone else here gets it..... put simply we ALL get it
Everyone knows how you feel - we've had 18 months of it so anyone who doesn't know has either been living in a vacuum or on an island somewhere ;D
Personally I don't need to read the same thing bitter anti Wallace crap everyday, day after day, week after week.
I've just read on another thread where you told someone to "get a life sunshine". Might I suggest you either do the same or get something new to talk about because your bitterness towards the RFC wore thin quite some time ago.
Sorry I forgot you're not bitter, you're just telling it like it is because the rest of us have no idea and you love the RFC.
Newsflash for you every person who posts here has a passion for the RFC
I was also interested to read on another thread that you reckon if we lose the next 3 games then Wallace is gone.
Is this another one of your "get out of jail statements" ?
What happens if he wins 1 out of 3, 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3.
When is the next "d-day". What round?
You said at the start of the season he'd be gone by what was it round 6, then it was 8 after that I am not sure but he is still there...
You want to know what I think is really sad - we win tomorrow and people will be complaining because some want the tank, lose tomorrow and the fan works overtime again anyway, with more sack the coach dribble :banghead
Whats funny WP, YOU dont get it.
He cant coach!
Thats why we are what we are.
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As for 2JD comments about ramming things down peoples throats. if you want the tiges to remain totally unsuccessfull, give Wallace an extension of his contract now. He simply cant coach
Jack - you just don't get it do you ???
But guess what everyone else here gets it..... put simply we ALL get it
Everyone knows how you feel - we've had 18 months of it so anyone who doesn't know has either been living in a vacuum or on an island somewhere ;D
Personally I don't need to read the same thing bitter anti Wallace crap everyday, day after day, week after week.
I've just read on another thread where you told someone to "get a life sunshine". Might I suggest you either do the same or get something new to talk about because your bitterness towards the RFC wore thin quite some time ago.
Sorry I forgot you're not bitter, you're just telling it like it is because the rest of us have no idea and you love the RFC.
Newsflash for you every person who posts here has a passion for the RFC
I was also interested to read on another thread that you reckon if we lose the next 3 games then Wallace is gone.
Is this another one of your "get out of jail statements" ?
What happens if he wins 1 out of 3, 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3.
When is the next "d-day". What round?
You said at the start of the season he'd be gone by what was it round 6, then it was 8 after that I am not sure but he is still there...
You want to know what I think is really sad - we win tomorrow and people will be complaining because some want the tank, lose tomorrow and the fan works overtime again anyway, with more sack the coach dribble :banghead
thats nice WP but i dont have any agenda at all, have never worked for the club and i agree 100% with what jack says about this man.
Maybe i go a bit too far but such is my dislike of this man and what he has brought to this great club of ours.
He is as bad as any coach that we have had in the past 15 years.
let the record speak for itself
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I'm happy that he's layed a foundation to build a decent side, but I don't have any faith that he's the guy that can develop it from here. Time for a new coach at the end of this year.
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Whats funny WP, YOU dont get it.
He cant coach!
Thats why we are what we are.
No Jack trust me I do get it ;). You say I dont get it because I dont agree with you and that is the issue.
If I turned around right now and said I agree with you, you'd tell me that I now get it :rollin
They say Terry is a BS Artist.
The way i see it,it's one more quality than any of our last 5 coaches had. :scream
:clapping :clapping :thatsgold
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Is it time for Jackstar to go on a voluntary holiday (again)?
Maybe he could take Daniel with him.
:pray
what a hero you are.
ive read back over most of your posts and they are as boring as watching paint dry.
get a life
Daniel
All I (we/some/most) want is for you and Jack to stop hijacking every thread with the same meaningless diatribe.
Have your opinion but keep it to the relevant threads.
cheers
'65
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Ask Smorgon, Brad Johson, Chris Grant, Luke Darcy what they think of Wallet.
The doogies gave McMahon to the tiges "" gift wrapped"".
He is just a spin doctor.
Like his best mate Mark Stevens writing in the paper today, lol.
Whats funny, I can see through people like Terry Wallace, pity other people cant.
Bulldogs woke up to him, isnt just a matter of time till he is out the door.
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Is it time for Jackstar to go on a voluntary holiday (again)?
Maybe he could take Daniel with him.
:pray
what a hero you are.
ive read back over most of your posts and they are as boring as watching paint dry.
get a life
Daniel
All I (we/some/most) want is for you and Jack to stop hijacking every thread with the same meaningless diatribe.
Have your opinion but keep it to the relevant threads.
cheers
'65
Thought this was the right thread to make comments on the "'Solarium Man "" lol
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Whats funny WP, YOU dont get it.
He cant coach!
Thats why we are what we are.
Neither can Jewell, Bartlett, Jeans, Northy, Walls, Geishen and Frawley. I've seen too many coaches bite the dust at Richmond for it to be TW's fault. Lucky Lee Harvey Oswald got nabbed for the shooting of JFK or Terry Wallace might be gone. Our club needs loyalty. :)
Edited to correct quote
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:rollin
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Still hope stripes.
I just typed out a ripper post and then lost it :banghead
In summary.
Not sure on Wallace but beleive what we have done over the last 3 1/2 years, is in the majority the right stuff for the future.
I have friends that do not like Miller or wallace, their opinion and they are entitled to it.
Jack you are a nasty spiteful person, if you are nasty or spiteful to one that is you by nature and not someone I would like to see in a postion at richmond.
I know it is hard believe me I feel it as much as anyone.
Dan, you tried to shoot me down in flames when I ? kingys nouse - and nothing else by the way.
Just an example of how over the top and irrational u are - you perform as much acrobatics as X
This is all sort of like when the horses hoof doctor who and his minions tried to rock the boat. In the end it was the noisy minority that had the most to say but as was proved weren't as smart or as supported as they expected.
Destabilisation just for the sake of it, I don't get it ? what does it acheive ? What are the alternatives at present and what are they going to do different.
I would give Wallace to the end of the year at the very least, we have had 3 bad games and a bad half - not a total disaster in the scheme of things. Very important how we finish the year whether we see it out 5 years imo
:gotigers
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Still hope stripes.
I just typed out a ripper post and then lost it :banghead
In summary.
Not sure on Wallace but beleive what we have done over the last 3 1/2 years, is in the majority the right stuff for the future.
I have friends that do not like Miller or wallace, their opinion and they are entitled to it.
Jack you are a nasty spiteful person, if you are nasty or spiteful to one that is you by nature and not someone I would like to see in a postion at richmond.
I know it is hard believe me I feel it as much as anyone.
Dan, you tried to shoot me down in flames when I ? kingys nouse - and nothing else by the way.
Just an example of how over the top and irrational u are - you perform as much acrobatics as X
This is all sort of like when the horses hoof doctor who and his minions tried to rock the boat. In the end it was the noisy minority that had the most to say but as was proved weren't as smart or as supported as they expected.
Destabilisation just for the sake of it, I don't get it ? what does it acheive ? What are the alternatives at present and what are they going to do different.
I would give Wallace to the end of the year at the very least, we have had 3 bad games and a bad half - not a total disaster in the scheme of things. Very important how we finish the year whether we see it out 5 years imo
:gotigers
what would any other coach do u ask??
maybe NOT trade our fcu.kin picks away?
how is that for a start
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:rollin
(http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/50/MPW-25048)
Jack is just the Mrs Mangle of our board...gossip queen :scream
(http://www.yeltzland.net/news/images/mangle.jpg)
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1 draft pick for Mcmahon.
Personally I would have taken the pick, but I wouldn't give up on Mcmahon yet.
Yes he is a softck, but he also could be a valueable link player when we are playing better 'direct' football.
As I stated before all clubs have their outside so called sftck players. Just that Mcmahon plays for us and is about the softest ...
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FWIW Stripes...people 'round here won't be happy no matter what path the club takes. One minute they want us to tank, the next they complain that the duds get picked...It seems the minority is always the loudest just like in real life. Over 500 members here...well maybe 11 with numerous aliases at least :rollin but only the loud minority that keep going on and on and on...Gary Lyon's Richmond cloggers reside right here :wallywink
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thats nice WP but i dont have any agenda at all, have never worked for the club and i agree 100% with what jack says about this man.
Maybe i go a bit too far but such is my dislike of this man and what he has brought to this great club of ours.
He is as bad as any coach that we have had in the past 15 years.
let the record speak for itself
Short memory...you've got a....shooooort memory :banghead
(http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/peter-garrett.jpg)
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It's kind of funny. I was a bit like the person who started this thread where I've started to view this forum as some kind of haven for the most vocal anti-wallace fans. (many of whose comments I generally don't mind reading)
It's only a tiny proportion of all site members (let alone richmond fans) but out of the 15 people who voted 11 think wallace is doing ok even if a couple don't particularly like him as a person. 1 isn't sure and 3 are dead against him as a person and coach.
Talk about dogs being wagged by tails. :D
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As the Bhoutros Bhoutros Ghali of OER, I am pleased to announce that I am the only poster who has shown independence.
I am the only one who has voted that he is unsure of Wallace as Coach and unsure as to the success of his plan.
That means that I have taken the middle ground lol. You can all trust Ramps to fix the problems of the RFC ;D
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Does anyone have a picture of Boutros Boutros Ghali :D
You don't have to be Boutros Boutros Ghali
You can be U Thant or Kofi Anan if you like :lol
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Craig, Clarkson, Eade and Roos top 2008 class.
Rohan Connolly | June 15, 2008
TERRY WALLACE (Richmond) C-
A month-long period of genuine hope for the Tigers seems to have evaporated all too quickly. Richardson's move to a wing was inspired, and kids such as White, Riewoldt and Edwards have been encouraging, but Richmond hasn't turned good signs into enough material rewards. Wallace will feel the heat if the second half of season doesn't deliver more.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/craig-clarkson-eade-and-roos-top-2008-class/2008/06/14/1213321695696.html
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The poll probably reveals more than the posts on this thread. Over half the people who voted believe in Wallace and believe in his plan.
I agree that it does appear to be the minority that seems to be the loadest on this forum which is unfortunate.
I just hope that we can actually start to discuss the club, players and games without always decending into the same old retric. Fingers posters keep to topic and keep the negative bantor to a mininum fro here on end :pray .....well I can dream can't I? :sleep ;)
Stripes
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Hello I asked a question are you going to answer it :whistle
I was also interested to read on another thread that you reckon if we lose the next 3 games then Wallace is gone.
Is this another one of your "get out of jail statements" ?
What happens if he wins 1 out of 3, 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3.
When is the next "d-day". What round?
You said at the start of the season he'd be gone by what was it round 6, then it was 8 after that I am not sure but he is still there...
Jack are you going to answer my questions? Again you avoid answering them ::)
To me at least that speaks volumes - I thought what I asked was reasonable based on what you have said constantly over the last 6 months in particular
And what did you reply with?
This:
Whats funny WP, YOU dont get it.
He cant coach!
Thats why we are what we are.
That aint no answer to the question it is just another rant
FWIW Stripes...people 'round here won't be happy no matter what path the club takes. One minute they want us to tank, the next they complain that the duds get picked...
Exactly FWOY - it seems the RFC are in a no win situation here to a minority. We win and it's "why ??? we should be tanking". We lose and the very same people who want the tank say "sack the coach we should be winning"
IMO you can't have it both ways.
For the first time in good knows how long this Club actually has a plan. Take out Richo, Bowden, Brown and Johnson and we have the youngest list in the comp - that's a fact. Then look at how many have been turned over in the last 3 season and you don't need a science degree to know another cut will be made at the end of this season. We will draft more kids. It was never going to happen over night.
Some people may not like the person who introduced the plan and he may or may not be the right person to see the plan through but at least he came to the place with a bloody plan which is more than we can say for some of the nuff nuffs that went before
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WP i would have a lot more respect for TW if he started to rebuild when he first came to punt road, that he did not.
bowden, kinglsey, mcmahon, hyde, tivendale. these r not names you would assign to a coach who was wanting to as you all say REBUILD.
thats it, thats my main issue.
dont any of you ever say to me that TW was all for he rebuild from day 1 cause thats rubbish.
If he turned over the list with the rubbish names i mentioned above then we would sitting in a much better position than where we are now.
Our recruiting is still out of sorts, surely you must agree with me there or do you still think patto, tambling, meyer will be worth their high draft picks.
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Hello I asked a question are you going to answer it :whistle
I was also interested to read on another thread that you reckon if we lose the next 3 games then Wallace is gone.
Is this another one of your "get out of jail statements" ?
What happens if he wins 1 out of 3, 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3.
When is the next "d-day". What round?
You said at the start of the season he'd be gone by what was it round 6, then it was 8 after that I am not sure but he is still there...
Jack are you going to answer my questions? Again you avoid answering them ::)
To me at least that speaks volumes - I thought what I asked was reasonable based on what you have said constantly over the last 6 months in particular
And what did you reply with?
This:
Whats funny WP, YOU dont get it.
He cant coach!
Thats why we are what we are.
That aint no answer to the question it is just another rant
FWIW Stripes...people 'round here won't be happy no matter what path the club takes. One minute they want us to tank, the next they complain that the duds get picked...
Exactly FWOY - it seems the RFC are in a no win situation here to a minority. We win and it's "why ??? we should be tanking". We lose and the very same people who want the tank say "sack the coach we should be winning"
IMO you can't have it both ways.
For the first time in good knows how long this Club actually has a plan. Take out Richo, Bowden, Brown and Johnson and we have the youngest list in the comp - that's a fact. Then look at how many have been turned over in the last 3 season and you don't need a science degree to know another cut will be made at the end of this season. We will draft more kids. It was never going to happen over night.
Some people may not like the person who introduced the plan and he may or may not be the right person to see the plan through but at least he came to the place with a bloody plan which is more than we can say for some of the nuff nuffs that went before
Terrys coaching record isnt flash at Punt Road, none of us can chnage that.
I beleive there are moves "" behind the scenes"" to change the coach after the Centenary game, this I have been told be "" officals at AFL clubs.
And no, I wont mention who or what club, but the rumour is strong.
This has also been backed up by our president at the start of the year by saying that we will let our football do the talking.
Might also add the game plan that has been seen this year is a disgrace.
Short kicking of 10-15 metres , laterally. The last half last week and the entire Swans was a disgrace.
Interesting, lose today see what happens, we should win by 12 goals if we are any good or have improved at all, lets just let the football do the talking
Thank you.
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Does anyone have a picture of Boutros Boutros Ghali :D
Yes, it is next to Gareth Gareth Evans website
I understand it is currently residing around Cheryl's place on the Gold Coast
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dont any of you ever say to me that TW was all for he rebuild from day 1 cause thats rubbish.
If he turned over the list with the rubbish names i mentioned above then we would sitting in a much better position than where we are now.
What about the rubbish names and other names he has cut Daniel?
Fleming, Weller, Ben Marsh, Fletcher, Archibald, Tom Roach, Morrison, my mate Bill Nicholls, Alex Gilmour, Hilton, Andy Krakouer, Knobel, Limbach to name a few....
And then you look at the list now and the number of kids under the age of 22 and yeah I think it is fair to say we are and have been rebuiding
Our recruiting is still out of sorts, surely you must agree with me there or do you still think patto, tambling, meyer will be worth their high draft picks.
Tambling and Pattison - yeap IMV worth their high draft picks. Jury out on Meyer because of the injuries etc
Using that argument were the Hawks right in using high draft picks on Dowler & Muston? No one worries about that because they are winning. What about the Bombers with Keppler Bradley?
Drafting can be and is hit and miss - just last night during the final minutes of the Swans -v- Saints game they were talking about Hayes and saying the Swans could have had Lenny Hayes at pick 5. The Swans used pick 5 on Ryan Fitzgerald - you know that twit from Big Brother and star of the Subway commercials ;). The Saints took Hayes at pick 11. No guesses who made the right call?
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Terrys coaching record isnt flash at Punt Road, none of us can chnage that.
I beleive there are moves "" behind the scenes"" to change the coach after the Centenary game, this I have been told be "" officals at AFL clubs.
And no, I wont mention who or what club, but the rumour is strong.
This has also been backed up by our president at the start of the year by saying that we will let our football do the talking.
Might also add the game plan that has been seen this year is a disgrace.
Short kicking of 10-15 metres , laterally. The last half last week and the entire Swans was a disgrace.
Interesting, lose today see what happens, we should win by 12 goals if we are any good or have improved at all, lets just let the football do the talking
Thank you.
:clapping :clapping no thank you Jack for actually answering the question.
Disappointing you had to throw in one of your standard moans about the game plan but I guess we cant have everything ;D
So what you are saying or implying is that yet again, is that we are dealing in rumours and speculation and it appears it is coming from other CLubs no less :-\
Terrific
Thank you
:gotigers
And I do agree we should win today ;)
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WP i would have a lot more respect for TW if he started to rebuild when he first came to punt road, that he did not.
bowden, kinglsey, mcmahon, hyde, tivendale. these r not names you would assign to a coach who was wanting to as you all say REBUILD.
thats it, thats my main issue.
dont any of you ever say to me that TW was all for he rebuild from day 1 cause thats rubbish.
If he turned over the list with the rubbish names i mentioned above then we would sitting in a much better position than where we are now.
Our recruiting is still out of sorts, surely you must agree with me there or do you still think patto, tambling, meyer will be worth their high draft picks.
We had so many players that were poor to average when TW first arrived we couldn't get rid of all of them at once and replace them with all young fellows. In the first two years we turned over a huge amount of dead wood and recruited as many players through the draft that we could. Players such as Bowden, Tiv, Petts etc are the quality or top end of those average players that need to be removed but for the last four years they have been servicable.
It is a sad indictment on the club that players such as Tiv and Petts are still at the club not because of TW list management but because they are not the worst that have been on our list but infact that they were once some of the best.
We you look at it that way TW has done an amazing rebuild to date but it is far from over....
Stripes
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Nail on head stripes.
I was with the wallace and miller haters tonight and said the same thing.
He has had 3 1/2 years and we have acheived a hell of a lot in that time. Only thing, that the proof will not be in the pudding for 2 - 3 years.
You cannot turn everyone over at once and play all the kids all the time.
One thing in TW's article about riewoldt going back to coburg and getting his bearings was spot on, do people see and understand these things or are they just to blind. I think Riewoldt will now see out the year.
I said to the guys 'If we get rid of wallace, what are the options ?' as usual no real answer, so I say what is the point.
Side note: mate asked Mccrae about Rance, he was really close last week and will get his go soon. See the future people and have just a little more patience and most of all at least try and be supportive. :gotigers
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Nail on head stripes.
I was with the wallace and miller haters tonight and said the same thing.
He has had 3 1/2 years and we have acheived a hell of a lot in that time. Only thing, that the proof will not be in the pudding for 2 - 3 years.
You cannot turn everyone over at once and play all the kids all the time.
One thing in TW's article about riewoldt going back to coburg and getting his bearings was spot on, do people see and understand these things or are they just to blind. I think Riewoldt will now see out the year.
I said to the guys 'If we get rid of wallace, what are the options ?' as usual no real answer, so I say what is the point.
Side note: mate asked Mccrae about Rance, he was really close last week and will get his go soon. See the future people and have just a little more patience and most of all at least try and be supportive. :gotigers
CUB,
Good post.
However even ine here we have some revisionist history.
A couple of facts (take note J'ster and D'161). Terry came to a club that had lost $2 million and was between $3 million and $ 4 million in debt when he arrived. The difference in debt views stems from which accounting view you use to look at the debt. When Terry was announced as the coach (and no I can't be bothered finding the press clipping) he was announced as:
a) A coach with a plan
b) That he would get 5 years to deliver on his plan and vision, and
c) That he would help sell the club.
Given the finances at the time, the attempted Board putsch/coup, I can bet that he was asked/told/instructed that he had to show hope in year 1 (2005) so that memberships and finances could be rebuilt. Point C may well have been the most important point in 2005.
I reckon TW was as gutsy as can be that year in cutting as deep as he did and trusting lots to a bunch of 17 and 18 year olds. (And D'161 your rubbishing of the Graham drafting shows total ignorance of the facts presented above.)
In 2005 we broke even. In 2006 and 2007 we finally made healthy profits. Only in 2007 did TW get the support staff he needed/wanted. A development coach (Craig McRae). David King full time.
Note: The clubs many compare us to, Collingwood and Hawthorn, have not had these finacial constraints.
All in all I believe TW has navigated the 3.5 years as well as possible. I have never heard him bitch about lack of resources or finances though he would be entitled to. Whilst I too question some of the statements and game planning. More often that not he has got it right.
And finally with a bit of depth he is forcing players to earn their spot in the firsts. Not something that has been the case for preceding 7 or so years.
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i just want him to play the young players like:
Polo, Connors, Hughes, Rance etc ...
Hyde, Bowden, Jackson, Shultz have had there chances.
pleased to see McGuane, Thursfield, Cotchin, Riewoldt, White get a match.
just play the young players.
last nights match was just ok.
need to finish off teams. but that 8 goal blitz was great. then 6 behinds in a row :( ... needed just 1 or 2 to go through and would of crushed them.
Richardson is still our best player which in a way is not good. but i hope he wins the brownlow medal and continues his form. he was great.
Brown got that "05" form back a little last night.
Deledio can kill teams when he runs with the football. i hope he can just do that all the time.
Port Adelaide (Away)
Carlton (Home)
West Coast (Away)
Essendon (Home)
the next 4 matches will tell me and all Richmond supporters where we are at.
i truly believe that we can have those matches won.
they are all tough matches but very winnable.
Come On Richmond!
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Nail on head stripes.
I was with the wallace and miller haters tonight and said the same thing.
He has had 3 1/2 years and we have acheived a hell of a lot in that time. Only thing, that the proof will not be in the pudding for 2 - 3 years.
You cannot turn everyone over at once and play all the kids all the time.
One thing in TW's article about riewoldt going back to coburg and getting his bearings was spot on, do people see and understand these things or are they just to blind. I think Riewoldt will now see out the year.
I said to the guys 'If we get rid of wallace, what are the options ?' as usual no real answer, so I say what is the point.
Side note: mate asked Mccrae about Rance, he was really close last week and will get his go soon. See the future people and have just a little more patience and most of all at least try and be supportive. :gotigers
CUB,
Good post.
However even ine here we have some revisionist history.
A couple of facts (take note J'ster and D'161). Terry came to a club that had lost $2 million and was between $3 million and $ 4 million in debt when he arrived. The difference in debt views stems from which accounting view you use to look at the debt. When Terry was announced as the coach (and no I can't be bothered finding the press clipping) he was announced as:
a) A coach with a plan
b) That he would get 5 years to deliver on his plan and vision, and
c) That he would help sell the club.
Given the finances at the time, the attempted Board putsch/coup, I can bet that he was asked/told/instructed that he had to show hope in year 1 (2005) so that memberships and finances could be rebuilt. Point C may well have been the most important point in 2005.
I reckon TW was as gutsy as can be that year in cutting as deep as he did and trusting lots to a bunch of 17 and 18 year olds. (And D'161 your rubbishing of the Graham drafting shows total ignorance of the facts presented above.)
In 2005 we broke even. In 2006 and 2007 we finally made healthy profits. Only in 2007 did TW get the support staff he needed/wanted. A development coach (Craig McRae). David King full time.
Note: The clubs many compare us to, Collingwood and Hawthorn, have not had these finacial constraints.
All in all I believe TW has navigated the 3.5 years as well as possible. I have never heard him bitch about lack of resources or finances though he would be entitled to. Whilst I too question some of the statements and game planning. More often that not he has got it right.
And finally with a bit of depth he is forcing players to earn their spot in the firsts. Not something that has been the case for preceding 7 or so years.
After going to to last nights game, if you think we have improved, your dreaming, we aint.
Thank God for Richo and Brown, and Lids
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WOW
cannot believe after beating melbourne some people think Terry is ok.
Terry proved one thing last night, He Cannot Coach. If he could we would have and should have won by 12 goals, instead, once again in the second half he had no counter punch, was outcoached in the second half by a mile. worst win in our recent history, lucky we played melbourne, and we have richo,deledio and brown, otherwise we would have been creamed
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Let me explain this to you in simple terms Jack.
As a bottom line, 'have we improved' ? answer at the moment would be no.
Are we playing to the same level as before but with a lot of kids instead of re-cycled hacks and hangers on. Yes
So I would say we are in a better position, there are still a few to go petts tivs etc and that is nigh ....
Like I said the proof wont be in the pddiing for another 2- 3 years
On the Demons - Dissapointed we didn't put them away ? Yep - Happy we one ? Damn straight.
It wasn't the greatest game but hey a wins a win and in this day and age of footy there is no real gimmes anymore.
You are right on one thing, gunna be a big shock when we lose the cho and would like to see some bigger bodies in the next few drafts, thats for sure. Rance looks OK tho ......
How bout we make a deal Jack, if we beat port you are only allowed to focus on the positives for a change.
so anyway apart from all the slagging, are we all happy we won or not ???
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so anyway apart from all the slagging, are we all happy we won or not ???
Happy to win
We needed to win and we did.
Really enjoyed that 2nd qtr - nothing wrong with that 16 minutes ;D
Some good signs from a couple of kids who are sometimes whipping boys ;)
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Yep me too. Very happy with the win! Remember in 2001 when we made the finals. Most of our games were like yesterday. And we struggled all of the 2001 season to score over 100 points. This year we have already scored over 100 points on 6 occasions and came close on two others. For me thats improvement. I'm not expecting miracles this year but that second quarter effort proved that our young guys do have ability, we just need to increase our concentration and consistency.
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Enjoyed the win. We have in 12 games bettered what we did in 22 last season. Look at our percentage, it is in the 90s. It wasnt that high last season. As pointed out, we regularly kick over 100pts and that is with Richo playing everywhere and not just in the fwd line.
Great posts from WP, CUB, HKTiger and Tiga.
Even Wallace stated in 04/05, you can't delist everyone in one hit.
In the 04 draft we picked up: Lids, Bling, Meyer, Patto, Polo, McGuane, Limbach, plus Graham Knobel and Thursty. That is 10 new players in one year of which 8 were kids. see: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2004 ... all bar Meyer with only 17 and Limbach with 0 have played 20 or more games.
In the 05 draft we picked up: JON, Hughes, Casserley, White, Angus Graham, Humm and Howat. Another 7 players and all young (even Humm was only 22). http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2005
In the 06 draft we picked up: Riewodlt, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan and King. Again 8 new faces and 7 of them young kids. 3 of whom now see regular gametime. see: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-richmond-tigers?year=2006
In the 07 draft another 7 kids (excluding Howat).
I have not included players we have traded for like Polak, Bowden, McMahon, but none of them were 'old'. All under 25.
So why did someone say we did not start the rebuilding in 04? We did start it there, just started much further behind than anyone could have imagined...The kids need experienced bodies around them...it is much easier to become integrated in an older established side...look at Brisbane with its kids and last year Selwood with Geelong.
The future looks bright at Tigerland...we are slowly becoming competitive...we need to do that before becoming dominant ...
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Great post Con65!
I have not included players we have traded for like Polak, Bowden, McMahon, but none of them were 'old'. All under 25.
Not sure about Bowden though :) This is obviously an mistake but did you mean Morton?
Excellent factual evidence too to back up your arguments rather than the normal one lined meaningless statements many of the malcontents use around the forum when attempting to snipe TW.
:thumbsup
Stripes
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Not sure about Bowden though :) This is obviously an mistake but did you mean Morton?
Paddy. ;)
No mistake, he was 24 when traded for.
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Not sure about Bowden though :) This is obviously an mistake but did you mean Morton?
Paddy. ;)
No mistake, he was 24 when traded for.
Oh.......that Bowden :-[
You know I completely forgot about Patty and he was only delisted recently. I think once Polak came on the radar, Pattys (who played very similiar role) days were numbered.
I will be interested in the longevity of players such as Polak and McMahon if they do not begin to out preform the young fellows. We saw what happened to Patty...Tigerland is no place for under performing recuits. :-\
Sorry about the error in names
Stripes
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Not sure about Bowden though :) This is obviously an mistake but did you mean Morton?
Paddy. ;)
No mistake, he was 24 when traded for.
Oh.......that Bowden :-[
You know I completely forgot about Patty and he was only delisted recently. I think once Polak came on the radar, Pattys (who played very similiar role) days were numbered.
I will be interested in the longevity of players such as Polak and McMahon if they do not begin to out preform the young fellows. We saw what happened to Patty...Tigerland is no place for under performing recuits. :-\
Sorry about the error in names
Stripes
come on stripes i thought u were smarter than that.
TW will not drop mcmahon even if he gets less than 10 possessions for the rest of the year.
he hates looking like a fool
polak if he doesn't get better could be offloaded especially if rance comes good.
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Just on Polak - quite funny that he (probably the worst set shot for goal we have) scored one yesterday easily :rollin
Unlike Simmo who could hit the side of a barn :rollin
:cheers
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come on stripes i thought u were smarter than that.
Had you fooled then! :D
McMahon will be in the side for at least another two years regardless as will Polak. Beyond that though I think TW will have given them enough time to move them on without loosing too much face... :help
WP - Polak looked like a seasoned forward the way he threaded that goal through but Simmo....the only goal he scored was when he karate kicked the ball through at point blank range and the goal was disallowed. Maybe that he what Simmo should revert to when he is getting the yips - roundhouse the ball! :P
Stripes
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WOW
cannot believe after beating melbourne some people think Terry is ok.
Terry proved one thing last night, He Cannot Coach. If he could we would have and should have won by 12 goals, instead, once again in the second half he had no counter punch, was outcoached in the second half by a mile. worst win in our recent history, lucky we played melbourne, and we have richo,deledio and brown, otherwise we would have been creamed
Thank you Shannon
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This week is a test for TW and the team.
A mini elimination final. Loser is mothballs for 2008 and our challenge against a team that has ridiculed us so many times and wants to prove their GF appearance last year was no fluke. The onus is on Terry to find a way stop Motlop as they will be seething losing their last home game to the Carlscumtank. Let's see how he prepares us and how we combat them.
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This week is a test for TW and the team.
A mini elimination final. Loser is mothballs for 2008 and our challenge against a team that has ridiculed us so many times and wants to prove their GF appearance last year was no fluke. The onus is on Terry to find a way stop Motlop as they will be seething losing their last home game to the Carlscumtank. Let's see how he prepares us and how we combat them.
i have zero confidence HT.
we have proved ourselves time and time again we have no ticker in games that can help shape our season.
crunch game my ar-se hole this is our most important game of the year so far
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This week is a test for TW and the team.
A mini elimination final. Loser is mothballs for 2008 and our challenge against a team that has ridiculed us so many times and wants to prove their GF appearance last year was no fluke. The onus is on Terry to find a way stop Motlop as they will be seething losing their last home game to the Carlscumtank. Let's see how he prepares us and how we combat them.
i have zero confidence HT.
we have proved ourselves time and time again we have no ticker in games that can help shape our season.
crunch game my ar-se hole this is our most important game of the year so far
Daniel every game should be treated with the same significance. Why is it that this week we have not had our game with Port mentioned by TW as a crunch game as he did with the Melbourne one. Is it b/c we staved them off last minute and the wolves aren't banging as hard on our door as they were after our capitulation against the Crows. Terry should stop thinking about Terry and start thinking about the team. Is it the perception from TW that we have only won once in Adel v Port so a loss this week is an expectant result so long as we don't lose by a century is allright? Whereas the following week we need to win as its our centenary and we want to show the footy world how important we see this game. Hence no dramatisation of this upcoming fixture by TW in his post match press conference and any other media outlets?That's b/s. All game should take the same precedence as at this stage of our season and so called development they have the same significance. Every game should be a crunch game regardless of opposition and circumstance b/c if TW wants to single out games as crunch ones for the players only when they have capitulated or failed disappointingly ,I am sure the board and the fans see it differently and see each game as a crunch one for him and will act accordingly when the time is right.
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This week is a test for TW and the team.
A mini elimination final. Loser is mothballs for 2008 and our challenge against a team that has ridiculed us so many times and wants to prove their GF appearance last year was no fluke. The onus is on Terry to find a way stop Motlop as they will be seething losing their last home game to the Carlscumtank. Let's see how he prepares us and how we combat them.
i have zero confidence HT.
we have proved ourselves time and time again we have no ticker in games that can help shape our season.
crunch game my ar-se hole this is our most important game of the year so far
Daniel every game should be treated with the same significance. Why is it that this week we have not had our game with Port mentioned by TW as a crunch game as he did with the Melbourne one. Is it b/c we staved them off last minute and the wolves aren't banging as hard on our door as they were after our capitulation against the Crows. Terry should stop thinking about Terry and start thinking about the team. Is it the perception from TW that we have only won once in Adel v Port so a loss this week is an expectant result so long as we don't lose by a century is allright? Whereas the following week we need to win as its our centenary and we want to show the footy world how important we see this game. Hence no dramatisation of this upcoming fixture by TW in his post match press conference and any other media outlets?That's b/s. All game should take the same precedence as at this stage of our season and so called development they have the same significance. Every game should be a crunch game regardless of opposition and circumstance b/c if TW wants to single out games as crunch ones for the players only when they have capitulated or failed disappointingly ,I am sure the board and the fans see it differently and see each game as a crunch one for him and will act accordingly when the time is right.
crunch games belong in my behind. they r comical at the very least..
the thing is i can picture the little voices in his head yelling "im in trouble here, the wolves are barking, you know what its time for Terry tools time, lets call it a crunch game"
ever friggen game is a crunch game. when i heard the players sign the ball, well that was the icing on the cake, i couldn't look at TW the tool no longer
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Wolves howl - Dogs Bark.
Give it a rest D-Mag your obsession is repetitious without innovation nor insight
More like a malbrowncontent but without the Sandover.
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Yes i meant patrick bowden who was 24 and 2 or 3 months when we got him. Bday is August 1981.
Thanks to those who already answered.
The issue of not starting rebuilding till later may stem from something Browny may have said on the Footy show last week, but when you look at the turnover of players...it started on day 1.
We really havent gone for top ups...eg could have gone for pickett welsh hudson johnson over the past couple of years...the 'older' players we got were in effect: graham who Thursty has said has to this day helped him with the position of full back...and kingsley which didnt work and arguably Knobel...and we all agree we need ruckmen until our kids developed.
Keep it going TW some of the silent majority are not so silent and with you ....we dont sit behind the fence (computer) and snipe at you.
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Yes i meant patrick bowden who was 24 and 2 or 3 months when we got him. Bday is August 1981.
Thanks to those who already answered.
The issue of not starting rebuilding till later may stem from something Browny may have said on the Footy show last week, but when you look at the turnover of players...it started on day 1.
We really havent gone for top ups...eg could have gone for pickett welsh hudson johnson over the past couple of years...the 'older' players we got were in effect: graham who Thursty has said has to this day helped him with the position of full back...and kingsley which didnt work and arguably Knobel...and we all agree we need ruckmen until our kids developed.
Keep it going TW some of the silent majority are not so silent and with you ....we dont sit behind the fence (computer) and snipe at you.
by the sound of things your in bed with the man
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Yes i meant patrick bowden who was 24 and 2 or 3 months when we got him. Bday is August 1981.
Thanks to those who already answered.
The issue of not starting rebuilding till later may stem from something Browny may have said on the Footy show last week, but when you look at the turnover of players...it started on day 1.
We really havent gone for top ups...eg could have gone for pickett welsh hudson johnson over the past couple of years...the 'older' players we got were in effect: graham who Thursty has said has to this day helped him with the position of full back...and kingsley which didnt work and arguably Knobel...and we all agree we need ruckmen until our kids developed.
Keep it going TW some of the silent majority are not so silent and with you ....we dont sit behind the fence (computer) and snipe at you.
What would you call Mark Graham?
I call him a waste of a pick and a top up. Could have put a kid in his place from day 1 but a pick like Graham added with Kellaway and Gaspar proved he felt our backline was sound and thus of the notion that we could stem the tide and possibly make the 8. Hence appease the fans who have been starved of siccess and increase his mystique and aura that indeed yes he was the Messiah being ablr to turn things around so quickly.
After a 7-2 start many believed him. Fooled us once. Injuries such as Brownys and some other to less notable players as well as us playing above ourselves and trying to impact and impress the new regime saw us fall 1.5 games out side the 8.
How about in 2006 many floggings from top 8 sides Dogs Saints Swans by over 100 pts. Eagles by 88. Still we finished 9th with a record of 11-11 and a percentage of 88% yet many thought the inveitable and we were to take the following step. Fooled us twice.
Rebuild came 2 years too late and yes some of our youngsters are okay and coming along nicely we still need to draw from the well of draft picks for a few more players. Don't let Terry fool you again that is all I am saying. Many psychologically call politicians liars and scumbags and find any conspiracy for any policy they come up with yet for some reason those same people remain loyal to footy coaches and recruiters merely because of peoples loyalties to a footy club and that they would never do anything to compromise it due to some misconception they have. Come on guys the man is selling us snake oil and when this partnership between club and coach end watch the vitriol come out of the car salesman mouth to undermine the club and its direction something he was not willing to reveal whilst he was getting a pay cheque. If he was a man he'd have stood up to it and done all this finger pointing earlier.
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exactly
kingsley also occupied a spot on the list which a younger guy would have had.
yeah we r rebuilding lets go after kingsley and graham
my theory is TW misjudged our list and hence recruited K.Kingsley as the missing link he hoped would get us into the top 8.
well that didn't turn out now well did it TW.
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by the sound of things your in bed with the man[/quote]
Daniel161, that is pretty intellectual. Well said, i hope that helped you feel better about yourself. When you dont have anything constructive to say, play the man not the bal. :clapping
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What would you call Mark Graham?
I call him a waste of a pick and a top up. Could have put a kid in his place from day 1 but a pick like Graham added with Kellaway and Gaspar proved he felt our backline was sound and thus of the notion that we could stem the tide and possibly make the 8. Hence appease the fans who have been starved of siccess and increase his mystique and aura that indeed yes he was the Messiah being ablr to turn things around so quickly.
After a 7-2 start many believed him. Fooled us once. Injuries such as Brownys and some other to less notable players as well as us playing above ourselves and trying to impact and impress the new regime saw us fall 1.5 games out side the 8.
How about in 2006 many floggings from top 8 sides Dogs Saints Swans by over 100 pts. Eagles by 88. Still we finished 9th with a record of 11-11 and a percentage of 88% yet many thought the inveitable and we were to take the following step. Fooled us twice.
Rebuild came 2 years too late and yes some of our youngsters are okay and coming along nicely we still need to draw from the well of draft picks for a few more players. Don't let Terry fool you again that is all I am saying. Many psychologically call politicians liars and scumbags and find any conspiracy for any policy they come up with yet for some reason those same people remain loyal to footy coaches and recruiters merely because of peoples loyalties to a footy club and that they would never do anything to compromise it due to some misconception they have. Come on guys the man is selling us snake oil and when this partnership between club and coach end watch the vitriol come out of the car salesman mouth to undermine the club and its direction something he was not willing to reveal whilst he was getting a pay cheque. If he was a man he'd have stood up to it and done all this finger pointing earlier.
1 As for Graham, i think i already called him an older recruit. But we lacked a bigger bodied defender in 05. We had already recruited a whole bunch of kids. See my earlier post. Graham's influence is still being felt at the club: see Thursty's article earlier this year where he credits Gas and Graham for helping him learn the FB role. He said he still speaks to them regularly. Tell me which kid he kept out of the team in the 05 season? Answer = no one, as no one was ready to play senior footy.
2 How did drafting so many new players in 04 and 05 and playing them i might add...consitute not rebuilding. Maybe you would have been happy drafting 38 new kids...had us lose every week then call for TW's head cos we lost each week.
3 Not loyal to the coach cos i am loyal to the footy club. I just see the plain facts: our recruiting was poor in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and we are paying the price now. It is now that we dont have the 28, 27, 26, 25 and 24 yos to build a team around. Last night on Footy Classifieds, Peter Jackson said that essendon are now paying the price for poor recruiting in 1999 to 2001. Well our recruiting was worse over a longer period.
exactly
kingsley also occupied a spot on the list which a younger guy would have had.
yeah we r rebuilding lets go after kingsley and graham
my theory is TW misjudged our list and hence recruited K.Kingsley as the missing link he hoped would get us into the top 8.
well that didn't turn out now well did it TW.
Kingsley is a guy that could kick up to 8 goals in a game of AFL footy. Guys like that dont grow on trees. It didnt work out, no biggie. Who was drafted after him that is a gun that we missed out on? Back up your comments with facts...who? The best player drafted after him was Cameron Cloke...wow...world beater that he is.
Take off your anti-Wallace glasses ..face facts..our list was in a deplorable state and until we have a number of players reaching 24 to 28 yos of age...we will not be dominant...Wallace was right, our window will be 2011 by then you would have a number of players with over 100 games to their names like Lids Bling Foley Thursty Moore...then cometh the hour of the tiger.
As for snake skin oil...i heard it tastes great in baclava
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Poll is interesting
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Take off your anti-Wallace glasses ..face facts..our list was in a deplorable state and until we have a number of players reaching 24 to 28 yos of age...we will not be dominant...Wallace was right, our window will be 2011 by then you would have a number of players with over 100 games to their names like Lids Bling Foley Thursty Moore...then cometh the hour of the tiger.
As for snake skin oil...i heard it tastes great in baclava
You are killing them Con65! Cold hard facts are hard to argue against....well with any credibility in any event. :)
I'm enjoying the debate
Stripes
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Not convinced on the back of the other night that we have improved at all. We beat lowly Melbourne more convincingly LAST season.
Wallace and his coaching staff need to be fully reviewed at seasons end.
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Poll is interesting
I'm surprized too Jack. I didn't think TW had some much support on this site. TW seems to polarize the posters here - supporter or hater.
Stripes
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Kingsley kicked 8 goals in a game once against Essendon in 2004. By the time we recruited him he was on the AFL scrapheap. Terry then on the eve of the season made his famous 2011 comment and that we needed to virtually start from scratch yet proceeded to pick up Kingsley in the pre season draft who was garbage. No biggie I suppose McMahon is no biggie either considering the bloke gets 20 touches and almost half hit a target so that won't affect his % on Champion data but the fact the bloke he disposes to gets tackled cause he's flat footed or has a man on him is of no concern to you. 2 Biggies by this regime.
Sure you cannot get rid of all the deadwood initially but when you have blokes like Riewoldt Edwards Polo Rance Connors Graham Hughes waiting to get a game but are continually kept out of the side by reactive coaching and the continual promotion of blokes like Bowden Pettifer Hyde Tivendale and co players who have been there but won't ever lead us to glory then what is that. If the media didn't crucify Tivs and Petts last week after the Adelaide game then I am sure TW would have kept them in some capacity. Remember he did the same thing after the Collingwood game when the media turned the screw on him and reacted by dropping Bowden and Pettifer then.
TW and GM have continually lied and re assessed their expectations for the worse as TW tenure has progressed. Any one here remember GM assessment in 2003 that our list would be right in 2007. Yeah lies and more lies and we can't keeping using Spud as the excuse and get out of gaol clause cause I don't hear the Schwab or Rohde clause being used at the Hawks or the Dogs.
As a club we persist and keep blokes for far too long who have shown little or nothing both on and off the field. If people think that Terry should stay as we don't need the issue of paying him out well that's fine from that point of you but this time next year when we will be struggling still with issues in terms of game plan skill playing the right players in the right spots as well as having a Plan B and C and a mental intencity that won't be exposed as it was in the second half against the Crows will the same people be wanting a contract extension.
In 3.5 years we have been horribly exposed by the better clubs with on field discipline and direction. Its not only about winning a certain number of games its about how you win and how you shape up the next time you meet the opposition as well as what you do differently or the same when you play the better teams. In Terry's tenure we have been flogged 4 times by over 100 point including our worst defeats to Dogs Saints Swans and Eagles and worst ever defeat to the Cats. Don't use the kids as the excuse.
Skill application are still a problem and will continue to do so. Coaching leaves alot to be desired and the fact that he is still spindoctoring and people are still buying it leaves alot to be desired. A couple of losses over the next few weeks and the season is shot and again a result indicative of the type of coaching recruiting and player selection that has taken place and perhaps tanking against the Dees would have been the more beneficial path long term to take.
Alot of the players we have individually are talented and will be an asset so long as they are coached nurtured and played in the right way but alas again this seems to be a problem and you will find that boys like Connors Hughes don't get regular footy but blokes like Schulz do and if Howat was not suspended in rd 1 he'd be in the team too. Coached in the right way I think we have boys who can challenge and with a couple more inclusions our team can be a real threat but Terry is not the man to take us forward as his agenda is self preserving and self motivated as what guys like him and Miller are good at doing is preying on the soul of the success starved frustrated Richmond supporters and as long those two can fool the board use the excuses and fool the majority of fans whilst getting their pay cheque they will hold all those ppls blood which includes yours and mine for ransom for as long as he can possibly do it. Remember TW is on 600K a yr and God knows what Miller is on. For that reason alone these blokes will do anything to preserve their jobs in the eyes of the general public regardless of what the general consensus may be. 600K and 600K plus a year jobs don't grow on trees and if we were on a pay roll like that we would b/poo our way through that to justify our pay also.
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What would you call Mark Graham?
I call him a waste of a pick and a top up. Could have put a kid in his place from day 1 but a pick like Graham added with Kellaway and Gaspar proved he felt our backline was sound and thus of the notion that we could stem the tide and possibly make the 8. Hence appease the fans who have been starved of siccess and increase his mystique and aura that indeed yes he was the Messiah being ablr to turn things around so quickly.
After a 7-2 start many believed him. Fooled us once. Injuries such as Brownys and some other to less notable players as well as us playing above ourselves and trying to impact and impress the new regime saw us fall 1.5 games out side the 8.
How about in 2006 many floggings from top 8 sides Dogs Saints Swans by over 100 pts. Eagles by 88. Still we finished 9th with a record of 11-11 and a percentage of 88% yet many thought the inveitable and we were to take the following step. Fooled us twice.
Rebuild came 2 years too late and yes some of our youngsters are okay and coming along nicely we still need to draw from the well of draft picks for a few more players. Don't let Terry fool you again that is all I am saying. Many psychologically call politicians liars and scumbags and find any conspiracy for any policy they come up with yet for some reason those same people remain loyal to footy coaches and recruiters merely because of peoples loyalties to a footy club and that they would never do anything to compromise it due to some misconception they have. Come on guys the man is selling us snake oil and when this partnership between club and coach end watch the vitriol come out of the car salesman mouth to undermine the club and its direction something he was not willing to reveal whilst he was getting a pay cheque. If he was a man he'd have stood up to it and done all this finger pointing earlier.
1 As for Graham, i think i already called him an older recruit. But we lacked a bigger bodied defender in 05. We had already recruited a whole bunch of kids. See my earlier post. Graham's influence is still being felt at the club: see Thursty's article earlier this year where he credits Gas and Graham for helping him learn the FB role. He said he still speaks to them regularly. Tell me which kid he kept out of the team in the 05 season? Answer = no one, as no one was ready to play senior footy.
2 How did drafting so many new players in 04 and 05 and playing them i might add...consitute not rebuilding. Maybe you would have been happy drafting 38 new kids...had us lose every week then call for TW's head cos we lost each week.
3 Not loyal to the coach cos i am loyal to the footy club. I just see the plain facts: our recruiting was poor in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and we are paying the price now. It is now that we dont have the 28, 27, 26, 25 and 24 yos to build a team around. Last night on Footy Classifieds, Peter Jackson said that essendon are now paying the price for poor recruiting in 1999 to 2001. Well our recruiting was worse over a longer period.
exactly
cameron cloke...what the hell is wrong with him...
he is playing great for carlton thr last few years and any day of the week i would have him over a pathetic kingsley.
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What would you call Mark Graham?
I call him a waste of a pick and a top up. Could have put a kid in his place from day 1 but a pick like Graham added with Kellaway and Gaspar proved he felt our backline was sound and thus of the notion that we could stem the tide and possibly make the 8. Hence appease the fans who have been starved of siccess and increase his mystique and aura that indeed yes he was the Messiah being ablr to turn things around so quickly.
After a 7-2 start many believed him. Fooled us once. Injuries such as Brownys and some other to less notable players as well as us playing above ourselves and trying to impact and impress the new regime saw us fall 1.5 games out side the 8.
How about in 2006 many floggings from top 8 sides Dogs Saints Swans by over 100 pts. Eagles by 88. Still we finished 9th with a record of 11-11 and a percentage of 88% yet many thought the inveitable and we were to take the following step. Fooled us twice.
Rebuild came 2 years too late and yes some of our youngsters are okay and coming along nicely we still need to draw from the well of draft picks for a few more players. Don't let Terry fool you again that is all I am saying. Many psychologically call politicians liars and scumbags and find any conspiracy for any policy they come up with yet for some reason those same people remain loyal to footy coaches and recruiters merely because of peoples loyalties to a footy club and that they would never do anything to compromise it due to some misconception they have. Come on guys the man is selling us snake oil and when this partnership between club and coach end watch the vitriol come out of the car salesman mouth to undermine the club and its direction something he was not willing to reveal whilst he was getting a pay cheque. If he was a man he'd have stood up to it and done all this finger pointing earlier.
1 As for Graham, i think i already called him an older recruit. But we lacked a bigger bodied defender in 05. We had already recruited a whole bunch of kids. See my earlier post. Graham's influence is still being felt at the club: see Thursty's article earlier this year where he credits Gas and Graham for helping him learn the FB role. He said he still speaks to them regularly. Tell me which kid he kept out of the team in the 05 season? Answer = no one, as no one was ready to play senior footy.
2 How did drafting so many new players in 04 and 05 and playing them i might add...consitute not rebuilding. Maybe you would have been happy drafting 38 new kids...had us lose every week then call for TW's head cos we lost each week.
3 Not loyal to the coach cos i am loyal to the footy club. I just see the plain facts: our recruiting was poor in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and we are paying the price now. It is now that we dont have the 28, 27, 26, 25 and 24 yos to build a team around. Last night on Footy Classifieds, Peter Jackson said that essendon are now paying the price for poor recruiting in 1999 to 2001. Well our recruiting was worse over a longer period.
exactly
cameron cloke...what the hell is wrong with him...
he is playing great for carlton thr last few years and any day of the week i would have him over a pathetic kingsley.
snipped (I didn't make sense myself)
can't hang it on daniel unless my fingers do what I tell them
:-[
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What would you call Mark Graham?
I call him a waste of a pick and a top up. Could have put a kid in his place from day 1 but a pick like Graham added with Kellaway and Gaspar proved he felt our backline was sound and thus of the notion that we could stem the tide and possibly make the 8. Hence appease the fans who have been starved of siccess and increase his mystique and aura that indeed yes he was the Messiah being ablr to turn things around so quickly.
After a 7-2 start many believed him. Fooled us once. Injuries such as Brownys and some other to less notable players as well as us playing above ourselves and trying to impact and impress the new regime saw us fall 1.5 games out side the 8.
How about in 2006 many floggings from top 8 sides Dogs Saints Swans by over 100 pts. Eagles by 88. Still we finished 9th with a record of 11-11 and a percentage of 88% yet many thought the inveitable and we were to take the following step. Fooled us twice.
Rebuild came 2 years too late and yes some of our youngsters are okay and coming along nicely we still need to draw from the well of draft picks for a few more players. Don't let Terry fool you again that is all I am saying. Many psychologically call politicians liars and scumbags and find any conspiracy for any policy they come up with yet for some reason those same people remain loyal to footy coaches and recruiters merely because of peoples loyalties to a footy club and that they would never do anything to compromise it due to some misconception they have. Come on guys the man is selling us snake oil and when this partnership between club and coach end watch the vitriol come out of the car salesman mouth to undermine the club and its direction something he was not willing to reveal whilst he was getting a pay cheque. If he was a man he'd have stood up to it and done all this finger pointing earlier.
1 As for Graham, i think i already called him an older recruit. But we lacked a bigger bodied defender in 05. We had already recruited a whole bunch of kids. See my earlier post. Graham's influence is still being felt at the club: see Thursty's article earlier this year where he credits Gas and Graham for helping him learn the FB role. He said he still speaks to them regularly. Tell me which kid he kept out of the team in the 05 season? Answer = no one, as no one was ready to play senior footy.
2 How did drafting so many new players in 04 and 05 and playing them i might add...consitute not rebuilding. Maybe you would have been happy drafting 38 new kids...had us lose every week then call for TW's head cos we lost each week.
3 Not loyal to the coach cos i am loyal to the footy club. I just see the plain facts: our recruiting was poor in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and we are paying the price now. It is now that we dont have the 28, 27, 26, 25 and 24 yos to build a team around. Last night on Footy Classifieds, Peter Jackson said that essendon are now paying the price for poor recruiting in 1999 to 2001. Well our recruiting was worse over a longer period.
exactly
cameron cloke...what the hell is wrong with him...
he is playing great for carlton thr last few years and any day of the week i would have him over a pathetic kingsley.
snipped (I didn't make sense myself)
can't hang it on daniel unless my fingers do what I tell them
:-[
to do
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Hellenic your post would have had a lot more merit if your first line was correct. Kingsley kicked 8 in 2006 not 2004. Further it was against North Melbourne not Essendon. Btw, 2006 was the season we drafted him. see: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--kent-kingsley
Further, the rest of your post pretty much had the usual anti-Wallace emotional dribble. Very little substance at all. Very emotional language especially with gratuitous words like "lied".
Daniel, yeah you are right Cameron Cloke is the answer.....I think NOT. We already have a Cloke type player in Patto. Prior to this year Cloke's stats were about half of what they are this year. Even with double his output he is only comparable to Patto. Note that every club other than Carlton with the last pick in the pre-season draft passed on Cloke.
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you know what makes me laugh about you MCMLXV and a few others on here, you make yourselves out to be some intellectual ambassadors for the english language or something and whoever on here spells a word wrong on this forum, well their stupid and dumb.
how about we do a meet up at the B&F and you can give me some hints on how to spell and get a job and make some real money because from what it seems you know everything.
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Hellenic your post would have had a lot more merit if your first line was correct. Kingsley kicked 8 in 2006 not 2004. Further it was against North Melbourne not Essendon. Btw, 2006 was the season we drafted him. see: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--kent-kingsley
Further, the rest of your post pretty much had the usual anti-Wallace emotional dribble. Very little substance at all. Very emotional language especially with gratuitous words like "lied".
Daniel, yeah you are right Cameron Cloke is the answer.....I think NOT. We already have a Cloke type player in Patto. Prior to this year Cloke's stats were about half of what they are this year. Even with double his output he is only comparable to Patto. Note that every club other than Carlton with the last pick in the pre-season draft passed on Cloke.
You're right Kostandino he kicked 8 in rd 2 against Nth in 2006 he kicked 6 or 7 in rd 9 2004 against the Bombers. I stand corrected on that but not on what you call emotional dribble. We just have differing opinions on the matter regarding Terry plain and simple.
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Poll is interesting
Yep.
Only a small cross section but is indicative of a noisy minority.
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Hellenic your post would have had a lot more merit if your first line was correct. Kingsley kicked 8 in 2006 not 2004. Further it was against North Melbourne not Essendon. Btw, 2006 was the season we drafted him. see: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--kent-kingsley
Further, the rest of your post pretty much had the usual anti-Wallace emotional dribble. Very little substance at all. Very emotional language especially with gratuitous words like "lied".
Daniel, yeah you are right Cameron Cloke is the answer.....I think NOT. We already have a Cloke type player in Patto. Prior to this year Cloke's stats were about half of what they are this year. Even with double his output he is only comparable to Patto. Note that every club other than Carlton with the last pick in the pre-season draft passed on Cloke.
listen up malaka busti pasta fogoli
what do you think i hope patto doesn't work?
do you think i get enjoyment seeing us lose. i just think patto needs a break and i dont think he will make it. Its my opinion and that is that.
what unlike some on here, i am happy to admit i am wrong if he comes out and bags 5 next week
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you know what makes me laugh about you MCMLXV and a few others on here, you make yourselves out to be some intellectual ambassadors for the english language or something and whoever on here spells a word wrong on this forum, well their stupid and dumb.
how about we do a meet up at the B&F and you can give me some hints on how to spell and get a job and make some real money because from what it seems you know everything.
That would be "they're stupid and dumb" not "their stupid and dumb".
They're is a contraction of "they are" which is what you were trying to say/type.
Their means belonging to them/him/her.
And yes I do think you are what you say you are.
:thumbsup
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i dont sit here trying to get every word right like u my friend. its a forum not a spelling contest.
"ooh i said their and not there" ooh my god were you serious or are you perhaps a homosexual, not that there's anything wrong with that.
you need to get a life pal.
as i said ill be at the b&f this year so ill be more than happy to have a beer with you and then you can count the pimples on my face
this is all fun for me. if i agreed with you and ur mates stripes and smokey dawson all day long it will be very boring
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Poll is interesting
Yep.
Only a small cross section but is indicative of a noisy minority.
I would suggest you have another look at the poll at read the questions, instead of having cheap shots at me
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listen up malaka busti pasta fogoli
And you expect to be taken seriously?
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And you expect to be taken seriously?
Dawson listen to me carefully.
when it concerns the Richmond FC i am very passionate and have been since i was born but when some of you start correcting spelling and grammar errors, i mean come on mate, give me a break.
who cares i have fun and if you take me seriously or don't, do you actually think i care??
i am here to say what i think about the RFC not to ensure i spell correctly at all times.
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Poll is interesting
Yep.
Only a small cross section but is indicative of a noisy minority.
I would suggest you have another look at the poll at read the questions, instead of having cheap shots at me
It was a general assessment of the poll. :) I read the questions and can't see how it could be seen otherwise, unless you'd rather call it a silent majority.
Cheap shots? ???
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listen up malaka busti pasta fogoli
what do you think i hope patto doesn't work?
do you think i get enjoyment seeing us lose. i just think patto needs a break and i dont think he will make it. Its my opinion and that is that.
what unlike some on here, i am happy to admit i am wrong if he comes out and bags 5 next week
Where did i say that i thought you wanted Patto not to work? I said we already have a Cameron Cloke type player in Patto.
Are you ok?
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in this case its best to agree to disagree when it comes to patto
you seem to think he is in the same league as c/cloke and i dont.
move on. back to the topic.
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Is there a prize for the best line on OER for the year?
If so, I would like to nominate the following gem - it had me laughing out loud:
"ooh i said their and not there" ooh my god were you serious or are you perhaps a homosexual, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Pure Gold :bow
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And you expect to be taken seriously?
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Dawson listen to me carefully.
when it concerns the Richmond FC i am very passionate and have been since i was born but when some of you start correcting spelling and grammar errors, i mean come on mate, give me a break.
who cares i have fun and if you take me seriously or don't, do you actually think i care??
i am here to say what i think about the RFC not to ensure i spell correctly at all times.
You'll probably get a break when you give up your incessant ranting on the same things over and over and over. Tell me why you come here to say what you think if you really don't care - very contradictory to me. And my comment about being taken seriously had nothing to do with your spelling - it was about your journey back to the cradle of immaturity over the past few weeks, topped off nicely by a line in Greek or Italian maybe? The only translation I could get from the web was the first word "Malaka" in Greek - sums you up about right I would have thought.
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And you expect to be taken seriously?
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ill let that one go straight through to gilly
time to get back to the topic don't you agree
as i said ill happily have a beer with you at the b&f later this year you sound like a charming fellow
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i dont sit here trying to get every word right like u my friend. its a forum not a spelling contest.
"ooh i said their and not there" ooh my god were you serious or are you perhaps a homosexual, not that there's anything wrong with that.
you need to get a life pal.
as i said ill be at the b&f this year so ill be more than happy to have a beer with you and then you can count the pimples on my face
this is all fun for me. if i agreed with you and ur mates stripes and smokey dawson all day long it will be very boring
As opposed to three or four who post dozens of times a day in virtually every thread, yet really only say the same thing over and fcuking over? I know who is boring...
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listen up malaka busti pasta fogoli
what do you think i hope patto doesn't work?
do you think i get enjoyment seeing us lose. i just think patto needs a break and i dont think he will make it. Its my opinion and that is that.
what unlike some on here, i am happy to admit i am wrong if he comes out and bags 5 next week
Where did i say that i thought you wanted Patto not to work? I said we already have a Cameron Cloke type player in Patto.
Are you ok?
WTF R U ?
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"ooh i said their and not there" ooh my god were you serious or are you perhaps a homosexual, not that there's anything wrong with that.
...and you still got it wrong.
:wallywink
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(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:MSAYwPr6LPj-4M:http://humor.plein.nl/files/images/thanksgiving_dog_gets_bone.jpg)
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it was about your journey back to the cradle of immaturity over the past few weeks,
No! You just can't say that smokey. It's not right! I won't have that!
It's not weeks, it's months!
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As opposed to three or four who post dozens of times a day in virtually every thread, yet really only say the same thing over and effing over? I know who is boring...
Not a truer word was spoken
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As opposed to three or four who post dozens of times a day in virtually every thread, yet really only say the same thing over and effing over? I know who is boring...
Not a truer word was spoken
:whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle ::) ::) ::)
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arent you the picture of innocence jack lol ;D