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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: torch on August 24, 2008, 08:44:36 PM
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"Who Will Not Be At Richmond After 2008 ???"
who are we Delisting, Trading and Not Retaining ???
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theres a couple that i would get rid of, this is just my opinion though:
oakleight-nicholls, meyer, casserly, hyde and howat
some of them are probley tradeable as well
im still not sure about schulz though :-\
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I think Tiv and Hyde will be delisted.
Petts and King will be used as trade bait and maybe even Schulz and JON.
Howart, Silvester and Cartledge will be moved off the Rookie list with Collard kept.
I think it will be extremely unlikely that Casserly and Meyer will be moved on but both have had injury clouds hanging over their careers for quite some time.
What I really hope is that we do not keep an older player with only a couple of years left at best over a younger player who could still have a huge amount to offer. :pray
Stripes
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Mine is almost the same as Stripes. Follow a criteria that anyone who has been in the system longer than 5 years and isn't in our best 22 goes.
Gone:
Tivs (ret.)
Hyde (delisted)
Petts (delist - knee has wiped out any trade value)
Howat (rookie delist)
Silvester (rookie delist)
Cartledge (rookie delist)
Trade bait:
Schulz, King, JON.
I would also ask the AFL about moving Polak onto our rookie list as Essendon did with Rama.
That would give us at least 4 picks combined in the National and PS drafts plus 2 new rookies. I'd be tempted to pass in the PSD with pick 8 unless there's a rookie we really want.
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Would the throw Cogs in as he has been injuried riden for a long time now. I know it sound a little like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But we haven'
tt seen him on the feild for a long time.
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In my opinion
Gone.
Coughlan JON Hyde Tivendale Howat Silvester Carteledge Casserley and possibly Meyer
Trade bait
Newman (possibly) Schulz King
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I really hope that Newman isn't in it I think he has plenty to offer us in the coming years. The rest is fine by me not that my opinion will make any difference to what is going on in trade.
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I don't wish for Newy to be traded either but perhaps a very good B grade player like Newy with good leadership skills may be on the radar of a side that may want to upgrade and complement their list and on the flip side we may need to trade someone like him for a first round or early second round pick.
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Newman wont be going anywhere FFS!
Ridiculum.
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Ridiculum.
I love the smell of Latin in the morning, it smells like victory.
:cheers
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Hellenic, do you honestly and seriously think that Newman could possibly be traded????
He is 26 y and 3 months old - of which we do not have many in that age bracket.
He has played 132 games including every game last year and this year.
He is averaging 20 disposals a game this year - a career high from last year's previous career high of 18.2. See: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--chris-newman
He is a vice-captain and leader of the club.
Need I say anymore. Why would we get rid of a mid-aged player for another young kid? Do you want the club to go backwards? We already had 11 players last week (according to Wallace on SEN) that had played less than 50 games...Why would you trade someone with 132 games experience when they are playing their best footy for a punt on a young kid??
I am with the Latin on this one: ridiculum.
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Hellenic, do you honestly and seriously think that Newman could possibly be traded????
He is 26 y and 3 months old - of which we do not have many in that age bracket.
He has played 132 games including every game last year and this year.
He is averaging 20 disposals a game this year - a career high from last year's previous career high of 18.2. See: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--chris-newman
He is a vice-captain and leader of the club.
Need I say anymore. Why would we get rid of a mid-aged player for another young kid? Do you want the club to go backwards? We already had 11 players last week (according to Wallace on SEN) that had played less than 50 games...Why would you trade someone with 132 games experience when they are playing their best footy for a punt on a young kid??
I am with the Latin on this one: ridiculum.
Devil's advocate here Con ;D
If a trade meant we could get a higher 1st round draft pick, say in the top 3 - are you saying you wouldn't even consider it?
I would think you have to consider all options - doesn't mean you do the deal but it has to be worth at least thinking about it
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Honest question. Why is Hyde's name in the list. Before he broke his jaw I think it was. He was playing good football. Is it just that he hasn't regained his level from them to now or is it due to the lack of opitunity for him to be able to get into the A list?
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In my opinion
Gone.
Coughlan JON Hyde Tivendale Howat Silvester Carteledge Casserley and possibly Meyer
Trade bait
Newman (possibly) Schulz King
Tell 'im he's dreamin'
There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that we will have 9 delisted at the end of this year, not a snowflakes
Coughlan & Casserley are contracted for starters
Secondly, this years draft isn't that strong past Pick 25, similar to the 2005 draft the changing of the eligibility age for the new GC17 club has put a lot of this years talent into next years draft.
We will probably only draft 3-4 kids this year, plus rookies
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Ridiculum.
I love the smell of Latin in the morning, it smells like victory.
:cheers
ahhh...
Christos est in Atrium :rollin
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You'd have to be kidding yourself to think Casserly, Coughlan and Meyer will be de-listed.
We've put too much into them them 3 to just let them go, and now it's finally starting to pay divedends.
Anyone who saw Coburg on the weekend would say Meyer was fantastic and has a future as a small backmen/half back flanker.
Coughlan will be given every oppurtunity to get back. His Germany treatmeants worked so far and hes getting games under him.
Casserly has great upside but just has to get on the park. Just look at Moore.
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They should send Cass to Germany.
Honest question. Why is Hyde's name in the list. Before he broke his jaw I think it was. He was playing good football. Is it just that he hasn't regained his level from them to now or is it due to the lack of opitunity for him to be able to get into the A list?
Hyde has had 8 years in the AFL system and as a small he's never cemented himself in our best 22 and has always been a fringe player. We've also got 11 kids playing ahead of him now too. As a 26 year old WYSIWYG so IMO he'll be one of first to be delisted after the VFL finals.
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Bump.
Any further thoughts after coburg's season ended today?
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Angus "Mongo" Graham
Cartledge tried but not up to AFL.
Captain obvious I have no right side Howat.
There is no way they can offer Pettifile a contract.
That's 4
JON has to learn soon, he has something but just can't or wont back himself :banghead
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Cant see them staying
Hyde
Tivendale
Pettifer
Howat
Sylvestor
Cartledge
Under the Pump
Oakley Nicholls: Sadly I cant see him making it with us.
King: I think his maximum value is now, trade in a player player swap scenario is very possible imho.
Graham: Talls take time, but I think Angus could be under the pump. If we werent so short on ruckman hed be in real trouble.
Bigger name trade rumours that may appear during the next month
Newman: Carlton & Essendon still trawling I hear and have been doing so for a fair while.
Schulz: I didnt think he had a bad season, but he was put up 12 months ago ... so may again.
Pattison: I hear Hawthorn is showing interest. I believe they may have in the past. who knows?
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take newman off the list. ;)
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Angus "Mongo" Graham
Cartledge tried but not up to AFL.
Captain obvious I have no right side Howat.
There is no way they can offer Pettifile a contract.
That's 4
JON has to learn soon, he has something but just can't or wont back himself :banghead
you ae 100% correct, although Cartledge i cant comment. Only seen him play 2 games.
if we are to be serious then Howatt and JOn have played their last game
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JON is only 20 and isn't going anywhere, get that through your heads
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Jon is a poor mans krakouer
nobody else made an impression............
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Jon is a poor mans kraouer
nobody else made an impression............
That is the funniest post you have made.
:thumbsup
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Ridiculum.
I love the smell of Latin in the morning, it smells like victory.
:cheers
ahhh...
Christos est in Atrium :rollin
Ox est in Culina.
Ahh the days of Caecilius and the gang.
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JON is only 20 and isn't going anywhere, get that through your heads
Why????
why are you so protective of these list cloggers. he is crap. Look at him FFS.
He has not go no idea, runs himself into trouble, has no left foot, and thinks too much when he has the ball.
he may worth something for Freo.
Offload
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Because he's been injurred for his first two preseasons
He was looking really good earlier this year at intra-club training, they always knew he was going to take a while to develop because he was so skinny and injuries have held him back even further.
They won't just give up on him because he hasn't come on already, he was still a teenager at the start of the year for Geez sake.
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Maybe Clayton Collard. Apparently homesick.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=8845&page=17
Posts 168, 170 & 171.
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Maybe Clayton Collard. Apparently homesick.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=8845&page=17
Posts 168, 170 & 171.
If true he should realise he would kill off his AFL career if he left a second club after one year. He was delisted by Freo after just one year so homesickness can't be blamed for that.
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Cant see them staying
Hyde
Tivendale
Pettifer
Howat
Sylvestor
Cartledge
Under the Pump
Oakley Nicholls: Sadly I cant see him making it with us.
King: I think his maximum value is now, trade in a player player swap scenario is very possible imho.
Graham: Talls take time, but I think Angus could be under the pump. If we werent so short on ruckman hed be in real trouble.
Bigger name trade rumours that may appear during the next month
Newman: Carlton & Essendon still trawling I hear and have been doing so for a fair while.
Schulz: I didnt think he had a bad season, but he was put up 12 months ago ... so may again.
Pattison: I hear Hawthorn is showing interest. I believe they may have in the past. who knows?
IMO they won't get rid of Graham. He missed a chunk of the preseason due to that broken foot/ankle late last year which the club believes has affected his agility compared to last year and he needs a full preseason.
Apart from the rookies I can't see them trading away talls except for Schulz as he was almost gone last year. Even then with Polak going down the club may now hold onto Sarge.
Newy may become captain next year.
Agree with the rest Ramps.
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Because he's been injurred for his first two preseasons
He was looking really good earlier this year at intra-club training, they always knew he was going to take a while to develop because he was so skinny and injuries have held him back even further.
They won't just give up on him because he hasn't come on already, he was still a teenager at the start of the year for Geez sake.
I personally don't see JON making it and never have but I know Wallace said to us at training last year to wait until JON has 4 years under his belt so yep he's more likely staying at Punt Rd.
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I personally don't see JON making it and never have
I admit that he's given good reason for the doubters to call for his head, but there have been a few things I've seen which make me see why they will persist with him.
Firstly his intraclub match earlier this year at Gosch's Paddock, he was impossible to catch, weaving in and out of traffic and got a ton of the ball, good mark overhead too. Shame he hasn't carried that form through the year, but it's been his first real pre-season so if he's showing that form after one early in the year, hopefully another will see him bring that up to a higher level.
Secondly a few of his beautiful passes into the forward line. When he was playing for Richmond I think againt Melbourne he showed great vision to pick out Jack Riewoldt inside 50m from the other side of the ground and kicked an absolute bullet pass to hit him on the lead. A similar effort to pick out Cleve Hughes with a perfectly weighted pass in the final on Sunday.
People critisize his disposal but it's often that he's trying to do too much. I think once he's more settled at a higher level he'll start pulling off these things more frequently. He's 6'3", super fast, very strong mark and a fierce competitor, so the tools are all there, he just needs some confidence and experience and I can see him adapting to AFL level in time.
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Before trades, we have Petts, Hyde and Tivs to delist from our Senior list and then use our first 3 national draft picks and passing in the PSD.
It then makes 2009 an extremely big year for the following players to show they have a future in AFL or be delisted: Casserly, Collins (Harsh on a young kid but he was a very late pick and that's how they're treated), Jackson, JoN, Meyer and Graham.
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I personally don't see JON making it and never have
I admit that he's given good reason for the doubters to call for his head, but there have been a few things I've seen which make me see why they will persist with him.
Firstly his intraclub match earlier this year at Gosch's Paddock, he was impossible to catch, weaving in and out of traffic and got a ton of the ball, good mark overhead too. Shame he hasn't carried that form through the year, but it's been his first real pre-season so if he's showing that form after one early in the year, hopefully another will see him bring that up to a higher level.
Secondly a few of his beautiful passes into the forward line. When he was playing for Richmond I think againt Melbourne he showed great vision to pick out Jack Riewoldt inside 50m from the other side of the ground and kicked an absolute bullet pass to hit him on the lead. A similar effort to pick out Cleve Hughes with a perfectly weighted pass in the final on Sunday.
People critisize his disposal but it's often that he's trying to do too much. I think once he's more settled at a higher level he'll start pulling off these things more frequently. He's 6'3", super fast, very strong mark and a fierce competitor, so the tools are all there, he just needs some confidence and experience and I can see him adapting to AFL level in time.
I agree JON's got good hands and if given plenty of time, space and think music he can look all those things at times. But why I don't believe he will make it is because he won't be given that time and space regularly at AFL level especially when the pressure is turned up. He's a good athlete but not a natural footballer in terms of skills and decision making and his kicking action is suspect. He's also built more for the wide expanses of Subiaco which is probably why he attracted AFL recruiters' interest coming from WA. Not his fault he was considered a first round pick by many people before the 2005 draft but you don't draft skinny 188cm long-term project type players at pick 8. Modern footballers need speed and size to stand up in big games and finals.
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The big question marks for me are JON, Casserly (both taken in the same draft with Hughes coincidently), Gus, Meyer, Collins and Cogs. All of these players have huge doubts hovering over them in terms of sustained fitness and/or ability to play at the AFL level.
Cogs will be the hardest decision given how good he once was but unless he can get his pace back he may have missed the boat. Similiarly Meyer can be a quality player but he is yet to remain injury-free long enough to compete for a place in the line up. Casserly is in a similiar boat but has shown even less.
JON is just an ordinary player chosen rediculously high for his ability. It is not his fault but is the reason we are son disappointed and judge him so harshly. If he was going to be a player he would have shown something by now.
Stripes
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The big question marks for me are JON, Casserly (both taken in the same draft with Hughes coincidently), Gus, Meyer, Collins and Cogs. All of these players have huge doubts hovering over them in terms of sustained fitness and/or ability to play at the AFL level.
Cogs will be the hardest decision given how good he once was but unless he can get his pace back he may have missed the boat. Similiarly Meyer can be a quality player but he is yet to remain injury-free long enough to compete for a place in the line up. Casserly is in a similiar boat but has shown even less.
JON is just an ordinary player chosen rediculously high for his ability. It is not his fault but is the reason we are son disappointed and judge him so harshly. If he was going to be a player he would have shown something by now.
Stripes
100% correct.
dont know much about casserley and im willing to give cogs a go.
JON is for the dingley tip. he might as well start learning the Freo, Heavo song.
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Ridiculum.
I love the smell of Latin in the morning, it smells like victory.
:cheers
ahhh...
Christos est in Atrium :rollin
Ox est in Culina.
Ahh the days of Caecilius and the gang.
Farken ROLMFAFO @ Caecilius,Grumio and the gang and their charmed existence.
What was the wifes name ?
LMAOOO@ U knowing the clan.........
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Mark Robinson had his "Who should your club delist?" blog live chat today from 1.45 - 3.45 pm .....
[Comment From Steve]
From Richmond: Do you think its about time Richmond finally gave up on no. 8 pick Jarred Oakly Nicolls. He has been in the system for 3-4 years now and has only played a handful of games. Time to de-list?
I would reckon JON is in trouble... Garry Lyon wrote a column earlier this year about list cloggers. JON, in my opinion, is one of those. Hyde, Pettifer, Meyer, will also be in the gun
[Comment From Tigers of Old]
Richmond - Chris Hyde, Greg Tivendale, Angus Graham, Graham Polak
Polak is the interesting one.. the tigers might keep him. PR disaster to flick him after the accident. Hyde is in truble, and as with Graham, big guys take longer, we all know that, so I'd keep him. who are their big guys? Simmonds, Patto, Cartledge. So i think Graham will stay
[Comment From Jake]
Hey Robo, any news on whether Richmond will ask the AFL to put Polak on a rookie list, ala Rama? In your opinion would this be approved.
Great point. Essendon did it with Rama, special case that it was. Iti mght be Richmond's best decison. Good for both parties I'd say
[Comment From Beefer]
Robbo, Chris Hyde has already retired from Richmond. No send off game, no fan fare. You can strike him off your "list clogger" list.
didn't know that.. He gave his all when he played Hyde, but didn't quite have the skill level to match his determination
[Comment From gftarneit]
Media said a short while ago Kerr IS going to Richmond robbo?
which media
[Comment From Joel]
We have heard so much about Kerr going and staying, what is the feeling at the moment?
I reckon stay. the eagles have the power on this one because he is contracted.
[Comment From damien]
if you were the tiger coach would you go after a ben cousins??.. or is just a quick fix that the tigers have gone for before??
No Cousins for Tigers
[Comment From Robbo is a slow typer]
what is Freo doing with Warnock? if not stay at Freo, where will he end up?
stil negotiating. Money is on Melbourne to get him
[Comment From Tim]
Should Richmond delist Kayne Pettifer and Jake King?
Pettifer yes, King no
[Comment From wayne]
Is Meyer Richmond tradable
umm, think not...
[Comment From Garry]
Will the Tigers delist Casserley? He has a year to go on his contact but has been in the system 4-5 and can't get on the park
he must be concerned the young fella about his future.. don't know if it's been 4 or 5 years. OK, taken in 05 draft, pick 40, that's three years, fourth year next year so the pressure is on...
[Comment From Jordan]
Could the tiges use Tamlbling as trade bait?
I would....
[Comment From mark]
tambling had best year of his career, robbo you are an idiot
it was his best, but don't if his best will match it against the best midfielders from oppotiion clubs. Stll, he's young. 21 i think...
[Comment From miss awesome]
captain richo??? answer me damn it!!!
too late to be skipper Richo
[Comment From Cossy]
Robbo, What do you have against the Tigers????
nothing, like the Tigers
[Comment From Adam]
Robbo_ ARE THE TIGERS AFTER KERR OR WARNOCK?
i'd say both ... But I heard the club wants to ease its salary cap, not use every dollar in it, so Kerr chase might be over
[Comment From Mandrew]
hey Robbo, I've written countless questions on many of your blogs hence keeping you in a job. Any danger of answering maybe just one of my questions? Perhaps i need to write stupid questions like half the one's you have posted. here's one for you..... should tigers try to get something for Coughlin? He is a gun and i love him but his injuries are tough? Does he have trade value?
And what do you expect a club to give up for a bloke with two knees. I would say, two shakes of nothng. Coughlan has to prove himslef at Richmond first before any talk of trade. and if he plays well at Punt Rd, he's staying
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/afl/ourteam/index.php/heraldsun/comments/live_chat_who_should_your_club_delist
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Just a thought.
I have heard countless people state that JON has good hands and is quite speedy.
So my question is. Could he play as a mobile,agile,fast and unpredictable CHF. Dare i say. Could he be the X Factor ?
Sure, put another 10 - 13 Kgs on him and see what happens.
This is all considering he is still there in 09 of course
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Just a thought.
I have heard countless people state that JON has good hands and is quite speedy.
So my question is. Could he play as a mobile,agile,fast and unpredictable CHF. Dare i say. Could he be the X Factor ?
Sure, put another 10 - 13 Kgs on him and see what happens.
This is all considering he is still there in 09 of course
Interestingly that's the role i reckon he's been playing at Coburg for the last 4-5 weeks
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What was the wifes name ?
The memory is hazy, its over 25 years ago since I was doing the Cambridge Latin books, but I think her name was Metella, whose name means "little basket of stones".
Metella est in atrium.
Lets hope RFC does not implode like Vesuvius.
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Just a thought.
I have heard countless people state that JON has good hands and is quite speedy.
So my question is. Could he play as a mobile,agile,fast and unpredictable CHF. Dare i say. Could he be the X Factor ?
Sure, put another 10 - 13 Kgs on him and see what happens.
This is all considering he is still there in 09 of course
Interestingly that's the role i reckon he's been playing at Coburg for the last 4-5 weeks
Prease exprain Mister Roberts. Is there some more light you could shed on The Thin Man ?
Would it be Reckless for us to ship him off ?
Or would it be advisable that he doesn't become one of the Forgotten Faces this year ?
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Prease exprain Mister Roberts. Is there some more light you could shed on The Thin Man ?
Would it be Reckless for us to ship him off ?
Or would it be advisable that he doesn't become one of the Forgotten Faces this year ?
:clapping :clapping :thumbsup
Mister Roberts isn't available I think he is enjoying a kip
However, I just reckon it is only JON's 3rd year and he started from a long way back. 2007/08 was his first real pre-season. What I've noticed is that we he goes with the first option he is very good. He gets himself in trouble when he doesn't take that 1st option
I've been impressed with the way he has played the mobile CHF, however the key to that sort of role is also ensuring the structure around the CHF is right, that is plenty of blokes sweeping onto the ball when it's bought to ground. "Hit up target" I think is what I heard it called in one of the huddles the other week at Windy Hill.
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Just a thought.
I have heard countless people state that JON has good hands and is quite speedy.
So my question is. Could he play as a mobile,agile,fast and unpredictable CHF. Dare i say. Could he be the X Factor ?
Sure, put another 10 - 13 Kgs on him and see what happens.
This is all considering he is still there in 09 of course
:gobdrop
They're not allowed to eat those quadburgers at Hungry Jacks HMH lol :nope
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Bump ... trade week is over and there's only 20 days until the first list lodgement.
Currently we have .....
In: Thomson
Out: Tivs, Hyde
So that's 37 players on our senior list (Richo and Joel are outside vets). Meaning a minimum 2 more senior listed Tigers have to go by Oct 31 to satisfy the 35 player maximum and 3 draft pick minimum criteria.
Who will they be?
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Bump ... trade week is over and there's only 20 days until the first list lodgement.
Currently we have .....
In: Thomson
Out: Tivs, Hyde
So that's 37 players on our senior list (Richo and Joel are outside vets). Meaning a minimum 2 more senior listed Tigers have to go by Oct 31 to satisfy the 35 player maximum and 3 draft pick minimum criteria.
Who will they be?
Petts & .......
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I dont care as long as i never have to see Petts ever again.
He is the most selfish player i have ever seen grace our footy club.
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Surely Cogs is surplus to requirements now that we've signed a tough inside midfielder who can't kick ;)
Has he one year left to run?
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Cogs is contracted till the end of next year Jake.
From our OER contracts list Jackson, McGuane, Meyer, JON and Pettifer are listed as out of contract. The last 3 there were on the trade table. You would think we would've signed up Luke especially and Jacko ???.
So IMO Petts and one of JON, Meyer or Cass (if we pay him out). If Collard is to be promoted and Polak not put back on the rookie list then a 3rd Tiger will have to get the chop.
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Think it will be 3 Petts, JON & Casserly.
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From our OER contracts list Jackson, McGuane, Meyer, JON and Pettifer are listed as out of contract. The last 3 there were on the trade table. You would think we would've signed up Luke especially and Jacko ???.
Someone on y&b said that Jackson told them at the 2007 B&F that he had a 2 year deal to the end of 2009.
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My guess is Petts, JON and Casserly. I would be upset if Meyer was given the cut over JON.
Unlike previous years, besides Petts and possibly JON, there are few players who are dead weight left on the list.
Stripes
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The only thing that will save JON is Wallace and co were willing to give JON 4 years to "come good". Unless things have changed since Miller has gone and Cameron has come in that was what we were told at training last and earlier this year.
From our OER contracts list Jackson, McGuane, Meyer, JON and Pettifer are listed as out of contract. The last 3 there were on the trade table. You would think we would've signed up Luke especially and Jacko ???.
Someone on y&b said that Jackson told them at the 2007 B&F that he had a 2 year deal to the end of 2009.
Cheers FF :). It wouldn't surprise me that our contracts list is wrong about Lukey too as I can't imagine the club not having him signed up already.
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Cheers FF :). It wouldn't surprise me that our contracts list is wrong about Lukey too as I can't imagine the club not having him signed up already.
Pretty sure Luke is signed until the end of 2009
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Cheers FF :). It wouldn't surprise me that our contracts list is wrong about Lukey too as I can't imagine the club not having him signed up already.
Pretty sure Luke is signed until the end of 2009
Cheers WP :cheers
That narrows it down to the obvious few - Petts, JON and Meyer out of contract with Cass potentially paid out of his.
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Cheers FF :). It wouldn't surprise me that our contracts list is wrong about Lukey too as I can't imagine the club not having him signed up already.
Pretty sure Luke is signed until the end of 2009
Cheers WP :cheers
That narrows it down to the obvious few - Petts, JON and Meyer out of contract with Cass potentially paid out of his.
I do recall it being mentioned at a Club80 function by one GMiller earlier in the season, when he listed all the young players signed ...
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Carlton dumped Clint Benjamin (pick 51, 2006) today after just 2 injury-riddled years on their list. Seems we may be about to do the same with Cass after 3 injury-riddled years.
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so why keep Myer?
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so why keep Myer?
Because just like Kel Moore last year, towards the end of the year he had strung together an injury free string of games and looked a class above VFL level.
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Carlton dumped Clint Benjamin (pick 51, 2006) today after just 2 injury-riddled years on their list. Seems we may be about to do the same with Cass after 3 injury-riddled years.
lets hope so.
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when are we going to delist ?
i tip - Pettifer, Casserly and JON delisted
Howat, Silvester, Cardtledge - not retained (Collard - retained)
8 players - Tivendale (32), Hyde (31), Pettifer (15), Casserly (37), Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (29), Howat (43), Silverster (36), Cardtledge (38) - Out
4 Seniors spots available and 3 Rookie spots available.
i would have only 2 Rookies and draft four 17/18 years olds this draft.
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when are we going to delist ?
i tip - Pettifer, Casserly and JON delisted
Howat, Silvester, Cardtledge - not retained (Collard - retained)
8 players - Tivendale (32), Hyde (31), Pettifer (15), Casserly (37), Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (29), Howat (43), Silverster (36), Cardtledge (38) - Out
4 Seniors spots available and 3 Rookie spots available.
i would have only 2 Rookies and draft four 17/18 years olds this draft.
i agree except for Cartlidge. we dont want to go down a ruckman like last year
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when are we going to delist ?
i tip - Pettifer, Casserly and JON delisted
Howat, Silvester, Cardtledge - not retained (Collard - retained)
8 players - Tivendale (32), Hyde (31), Pettifer (15), Casserly (37), Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (29), Howat (43), Silverster (36), Cardtledge (38) - Out
4 Seniors spots available and 3 Rookie spots available.
i would have only 2 Rookies and draft four 17/18 years olds this draft.
i agree except for Cartlidge. we dont want to go down a ruckman like last year
If we keep Cartledge he will have to be elevated to the main list. He is too old for the Rookie list now.
I agree though he should be kept.
Stripes
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i agree except for Cartlidge. we dont want to go down a ruckman like last year
Agree there, with Simmo only 1/2 years off retirement we need another solid ruck option to come through for the future but also for 2009 to give Simmo a rest. Not that I wanted to but I thought we may have traded picks for a ruck (eg Seaby/Warnock).
We need Graham or Cartledge to step up to the mark real soon or otherwise look for an alternative.
Edit to correct quote
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"daniel161", "Stripes" and "Chuck17" ... what i do not understand is ... we have Simmonds, Pattison, Graham and Putt as "i believe" are Ruckmen.
we can debate if Pattison, Graham and Putt are Ruckmen, though why don't we play them?
i would rather have those three developing in the ruck then finding another ruckmen from another club.
i understand that we need a ruckmen to take over Simmonds, but we do not show faith in those three young players.
Graham
has been signed another contract. he has played two matches in i'm not sure how long, either 2 or 3 years.
if we are keeping him because he is a ruckmen then at least play him.
i am not sure if he was injured or anything.
i do understand that Ruckmen take a long time to develop but i am sure you all would like to see Graham to play.
Putt
only had one year so very early to call.
Pattison
a lot of Richmond supporters do not like Pattison which i can see why, lol.
but i believe his best position is in the Ruck.
i would much rather Richmond draft a "genuine" 17/18 year old Ruckmen, then a quick fix.
we have gone through some recycled Ruckmen since 2000 and only Simmonds has paid off.
if we keep Cartledge he has to be on the senior list.
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Torch,
I agree the ruckmen we do have must be given a chance first.
Graham was coming along well and then busted something which set him back a bit. To my mind Graham is a real chance to be the replacement, I believe Coburg were trying to push him forward a bit as well although I am not too sure how that went.
As you said with Putt he is too young to make a call on yet and must be given time to develop.
With Patto I dont think he is regarded as a permanent ruck type if he is in that position it is more a fill in position for him. I like Patto as he has a big motor and is a real tryer I am just not convinced if he is a ruck or not, more a CHF for mine.
Cartledge judging on his last few games of the season could be a possibility as well. He is definitely a good physical presence in there.
The issue is though that Simmo has been bearing the load of our ruck duties and probably has only 1 or 2 years left. When he was out of action in 2007 we really struggled in the middle and it was only the work of some of our mids eg Foley and Tuck that we didn't get a complete hiding in that area.
By all means give our kids ago first, but if they don't/cant perform it is an area that has to be addressed. Simmo is a very valuable player for us and I think of all the retirees he may be the hardest to replace given our current development
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Petts won't be delisted. Was re-signed early August.
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Petts won't be delisted. Was re-signed early August.
That was the word going around at the time based on a story in the paper about Petts but Craig Cameron has publicly stated since that Petts hadn't received a new contract. He may now get one though if we are holding onto him for another year despite being out of contract, turning 27 in January with an ACL injury and playing for Coburg anyway for most of 2008 :-\.