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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 31, 2008, 07:18:13 PM
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The season is done and dusted for us and our draft picks (pre-trade week) are 8, 26, 42, 58, ...
Up to Craig Cameron and Francis Jackson to do their stuff in Wallace's last draft of his current 5-year contract.
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Im hoping the club leaves the draft with a Ruckman, KPP and midfielder with the 3 picks. I wouldnt be selecting past 42 in this draft but thats just my non expert opinion.
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I aint a expert from far from it but they better not eff up again and throw draft picks away with duds like McMahon.
Keep the picks dammit and use them wisely.
No warnock who does he think he is 500k-give me a fcukin break, No Kerr(unless its a miracle and his cheap).
youth only in this draft but i think they will stuff it up again.
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Im hoping the club leaves the draft with a Ruckman, KPP and midfielder with the 3 picks. I wouldnt be selecting past 42 in this draft but thats just my non expert opinion.
Agree with the choices Ramps. The KPP would be more a big forward IMO as we have Rance as a young key defender waiting in the wings and Polak is apparently unlikely to play again according to Caro. I think we'll go with 3 picks too unless we are able to get another top 30 pick via a trade. The ruck issue is harder as we have Graham and Putt as young rucks but no one in that early-mid 20s bracket apart fron Cartledge (who looks like he'll be delisted).
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Any truth to the rumours of our supposed interest in the young ruckman from Adelaide?
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Havent got a great grasp on each draftee yet but if we got. . . .
8. Tyrone Vickery 200cm 86kg Sandringham Dragons - Ruck
26. Neville Jetta 178cm 75kg Swan Districts. - Mid/small forward.
42. Tom Lynch 191cm 84kg Sandringham Dragons - KP forward
58 (if used): Jay Shannon 180cm 82kg Port Magpies. - Inside Mid
I'd be absolutely stoked. Depending on how they perform at the draft camp Jetta and Lynch might need swapping on the wish list. ;D
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I would go for a genuine mid at 26 TA but would be very happy with Vickery if he slips to our pick 8. We got Cogs at pick 26 out of interest in 2000.
Any truth to the rumours of our supposed interest in the young ruckman from Adelaide?
Griffin would be a cheaper option to Warnock although he was recruited as a 202cm lanky key forward in 2005. Started this year well and had 2 games of 30+ hitouts then disappeared in the season half of the year. Someone on the trading/draft board of BF a week ago said Richmond was watching him in the SANFL because we think we'll miss out on Warnock.
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I would go for a genuine mid at 26 TA but would be very happy with Vickery if he slips to our pick 8. We got Cogs at pick 26 out of interest in 2000.
Almost, pick 25
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Tyrone Vickery has already been down to Punt Rd.
His father John played four games for Collingwood in the early 1970s and is now a fitness adviser at Richmond.
"I've been able to utilise that, especially when I had a knee reconstruction," Vickery said. "I was able to use (Richmond's) facilities and knowledge to get back fairly quickly.
"He's always the first person I ask for advice. He gets to see a lot of my matches so he's able to give me a lot of constructive criticism."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24302196-19895,00.html
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A teenage ruckman with a knee-reco... the word "due-diligence" springs to mind for some reason.
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He's played pretty well this year despite the reco, it's not like he's still hampered by the injury
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He's played pretty well this year despite the reco, it's not like he's still hampered by the injury
touch wood it doesn't happen but he is only 17 and his already had one.
another one and his career might be over. Isn't there a hawks player who may never play again as he has had 2.
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Max Bailey is a little different, he's had 2 recos in a row after the first one didn't work
Vickery has had one and had a successful recovery as a kid, Richo had one 10 years ago as a slightly older kid and turned out alright still, most players who have just one come back fine.
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Max Bailey is a little different, he's had 2 recos in a row after the first one didn't work
Vickery has had one and had a successful recovery as a kid, Richo had one 10 years ago as a slightly older kid and turned out alright still, most players who have just one come back fine.
Not true.
How many get back to their best football? Not many.
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Matthew Richardson, Will Thursfield, Anthony Koutoufides, Anthony Stevens, Robert Harvey, Robert Murphy, Lenny Hayes, Mitch Hahn, Alan Didak, David Rodan, Tarkyn Lockyer, David Wojcinski, Rhyce Shaw, Ben Hudson, Chris Grant, Nathan Burke, Dean Solomon, Darren Gaspar, Tony Liberatore, Brad Fisher, even Malceski is looking like making a full recovery after 2 recos
Some pretty handy players in that list, in fact I reckon you'd be a decent chance to make a premiership side out of that list
FB Fisher Gaspar Solomon
HB Wojcinski Thursfield Lockyer
C Koutoufides Hahn Stevens
HF Didak Richardson Harvey
FF Rodan Grant Murphy
RU Hudson Hayes Burke
Defence maybe the weak link but that midfield and forward line would be hard to beat, few decent players left over for the bench too
Not true you say? Well I've never paid much attention to your opinion anyway, I'm not exactly going to start any time soon
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Matthew Richardson, Will Thursfield, Anthony Koutoufides, Anthony Stevens, Robert Harvey, Robert Murphy, Lenny Hayes, Mitch Hahn, Alan Didak, David Rodan, Tarkyn Lockyer, David Wojcinski, Rhyce Shaw, Ben Hudson, Chris Grant, Nathan Burke, Dean Solomon, Darren Gaspar, Tony Liberatore, Brad Fisher, Chad Morrison, even Malceski is looking like making a full recovery after 2 recos
Some pretty handy players in that list, in fact I reckon you'd be a decent chance to make a premiership side out of that list
FB Fisher Gaspar Solomon
HB Wojcinski Thursfield Lockyer
C Koutoufides Hahn Stevens
HF Didak Richardson Harvey
FF Rodan Grant Murphy
RU Hudson Hayes Burke
I reckon Shaun Rehn would get a spot in the ruck before Hudson. ;)
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Yeah I agree, but I only found a list of ACLs in the past 6-7 years, i couldn't remember them all
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Matthew Richardson, Will Thursfield, Anthony Koutoufides, Anthony Stevens, Robert Harvey, Robert Murphy, Lenny Hayes, Mitch Hahn, Alan Didak, David Rodan, Tarkyn Lockyer, David Wojcinski, Rhyce Shaw, Ben Hudson, Chris Grant, Nathan Burke, Dean Solomon, Darren Gaspar, Tony Liberatore, Brad Fisher, Chad Morrison, even Malceski is looking like making a full recovery after 2 recos
Some pretty handy players in that list, in fact I reckon you'd be a decent chance to make a premiership side out of that list
FB Fisher Gaspar Solomon
HB Wojcinski Thursfield Lockyer
C Koutoufides Hahn Stevens
HF Didak Richardson Harvey
FF Rodan Grant Murphy
RU Hudson Hayes Burke
Defence maybe the weak link but that midfield and forward line would be hard to beat, few decent players left over for the bench too
Not true you say? Well I've never paid much attention to your opinion anyway, I'm not exactly going to start any time soon
kouta and Gas were never the same after their second.
bottom line its not ideal to have 2 knee reco's. more players than not will not be the same footballers they were.
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I don't remember Kouta or Gaspar having 2 recos. Kouta did a PCL, maybe you're confusing it with that.
Kouta still played good football after his reco, as did Gaspar, but they were both towards the end of their careers when they came back. Kouta was 29 when he came back from his full reco, but played well into his 30s.
Besides, this whole issue was simply brought up to say a player who has had 1 reco as a kid should still be able to play good football, especially as they're already playing good football in the past 12 months
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Matthew Richardson, Will Thursfield, Anthony Koutoufides, Anthony Stevens, Robert Harvey, Robert Murphy, Lenny Hayes, Mitch Hahn, Alan Didak, David Rodan, Tarkyn Lockyer, David Wojcinski, Rhyce Shaw, Ben Hudson, Chris Grant, Nathan Burke, Dean Solomon, Darren Gaspar, Tony Liberatore, Brad Fisher, Chad Morrison, even Malceski is looking like making a full recovery after 2 recos
Some pretty handy players in that list, in fact I reckon you'd be a decent chance to make a premiership side out of that list
FB Fisher Gaspar Solomon
HB Wojcinski Thursfield Lockyer
C Koutoufides Hahn Stevens
HF Didak Richardson Harvey
FF Rodan Grant Murphy
RU Hudson Hayes Burke
Defence maybe the weak link but that midfield and forward line would be hard to beat, few decent players left over for the bench too
Not true you say? Well I've never paid much attention to your opinion anyway, I'm not exactly going to start any time soon
kouta and Gas were never the same after their second.
bottom line its not ideal to have 2 knee reco's. more players than not will not be the same footballers they were.
So you pass on a ruckman who recovered very well from a knee re-co at a young age just in case? :-\
If you were talking about Swift who had a re-co and is now struggling to get it right with constant niggles then I'd agree but Vickery has made an excellent return after his knee.
There is also a difference between the recovery of a teen who does it at 16 years of ages and a 27 year old who is already battered and bruised and will find it tough to get back to peak condition again.
I see where you're coming from but I dont think it's a problem with Vickery.
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Any truth to the rumours of our supposed interest in the young ruckman from Adelaide?
yes they are true and at the moment it is possible but not probable
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Yeah I agree, but I only found a list of ACLs in the past 6-7 years, i couldn't remember them all
For sure. Rehn only stands out to me because I think he did a couple in quick succession before playing a significant role in 2 grand finals. I do remember him struggling on his return until he ditched the gangly knee brace - a bit of the "Forrest Gumps".
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Any truth to the rumours of our supposed interest in the young ruckman from Adelaide?
yes they are true and at the moment it is possible but not probable
Not surprising since i believe he is under contract?
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Maybe we can do a deal with Bombers and get pick 5....
There's gotta be someone we can off load for pick 5 :rollin
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Emma Quayle gave her top 5 draft picks on SEN this morning:
Watts
Rich
Naitanui
Hartlett
Vickery
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pick 17/18 year olds.
tall forwards.
ruckman.
tall players.
do not trade any picks.
gain draft picks by trading players.
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Steele Sidebottom has cemented a top 10 draft pick with 6 goals inside 3 quarters . Might even go top 5 now.
Rockliff and Ziebell haven't done their reputation any harm either.
Edit: make that 10 all up to Sidebottom :o.
Steele Sidebottems stats:
32 Disposals
14 marks
10.2 goals
11 inside 50s
Played up forward and through the midfield. Bottom age too at 17.
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Liam Pickering and Kevin Sheahan's top 10s during half time of the TAC Cup GF:
Pickering's
1. Jack Watts
2. Daniel Rich
3. Nick Naitanui
4. Tom Vickery
5. Michael Hurley
6. Chris Yarran
7. Jack Ziebell
8. Shaun McKernan
9. Sam Blease
10. Hamish Hartlett
Kevin Sheahan (in no particular order)
McKernan, Hurley, Naitanui, Rich, Yarran, Ziebell, Watts, Hartlett, Vickery and Trengove.
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The Bombers want Yarran btw
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Bombers take aim at lively Yarran
26th September 2008, 7:00 WST
Chris Yarran could still be selected as high as No. 5 at the AFL draft despite a quiet September campaign for Swan Districts that ended with the clever forward being beaten soundly in the grand final.
Essendon assistant coach Ashley Prescott revealed the Bombers were keen to recruit the exciting 17-year old and predicted he would be taken early in the first round of the draft.
Prescott compared Yarran’s physique and skills to Port Adelaide’s talented Shaun Burgoyne.
“We would love to get him. Chris is a super talent but I don’t think he will last until the second round,” Prescott said.
“It depends on what sort of player each club wants but he could become a valuable acquisition.”
Essendon will have pick No. 5 after coming 12th this season and will retain it unless they lose the selection as part of a trade deal.
Victorian teenager Jack Watts appears set to be drafted by Melbourne with the first pick while WA duo Nick Naitanui and Daniel Rich, who faced off in the WAFL grand final, are likely to go to local clubs West Coast and Fremantle, who have the next two selections.
Prescott coached Yarran at Clontarf Aboriginal College and said he and Paddy Ryder, who was drafted from East Fremantle to Essendon in 2005 and has played 43 of their past 44 matches, were the best two players to come through the college’s football academy.
Yarran burst into senior football this season with best-on-ground performances in his first two matches before he took part in the national 18s championships.
He was affected by hamstring injuries in the second half of the season but still managed a creditable 38 goals in his 14 games. Sandover medallist Hayden Ballantyne, rising star Ian Richardson and AFL veteran Troy Longmuir were the only small forwards to kick more goals this season.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=12&ContentID=99813
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Liam Pickering and Kevin Sheahan's top 10s during half time of the TAC Cup GF:
Pickering's
1. Jack Watts
2. Daniel Rich
3. Nick Naitanui
4. Tom Vickery
5. Michael Hurley
6. Chris Yarran
7. Jack Ziebell
8. Shaun McKernan
9. Sam Blease
10. Hamish Hartlett
Kevin Sheahan (in no particular order)
McKernan, Hurley, Naitanui, Rich, Yarran, Ziebell, Watts, Hartlett, Vickery and Trengove.
I can't see Hartlett slipping down to 10 and I'd have Sidebottom in there ahead of Blease. Trengove could still go top 10 if a club wants to take the risk despite the injury.
I'd be wrapt if the Bombers take Yarran. One less club to take a KPP or young mid before us.
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Demons eye four main draft hopefuls
Emma Quayle | October 1, 2008
FOUR players remain in the mix for Melbourne's No. 1 draft pick, with Sandringham ruckman Tyrone Vickery the late-season contender.
Vickery, who returned from a knee reconstruction this season, has pushed up alongside key forward Jack Watts and West Australians Nick Naitanui and Daniel Rich at the top of this year's pecking order.
Watts remains the favourite to be snared at No. 1, but midfielder Rich is also in strong contention and Melbourne recruiting manager Barry Prendergast said yesterday that the quartet of distinctly different players was difficult to split.
Chris Yarran and Stephen Hill, midfielders Hamish Hartlett, Steele Sidebottom and Jack Ziebell and talls Michael Hurley, Jackson Trengove and Shaun McKernan also considered among the top prospects.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/demons-eye-four-main-draft-hopefuls/2008/09/30/1222651083370.html
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Pick 8 :
1 - Vickery if available. Has the potential to be a ruckman foward in the Ottens template
2 - Ziebel if available. Good size midfielder who can play outside or inside
3 - Trengrove. We still need a big KP backman. At 196cm he could be our man. In the long term I see Thurstfield taking more the speedy medium sized fowards (Robertson, Fisher, O'Keefe, Jones), Rance the big but not overally fast CHF's (Riewoldt, Brown), McGuane the big bastards when playing deep and resting ruckman (Jolly, Pavlich) and Moore the Mr Fix it playing a variety of roles. With the run Rance, Moore and McGuane give, there is no reason why we can't have Rance, McGuane, Thurstfield, Moore and Trengrove in the same team. Ps i dont see Schultz being a long term defender
Pick 26:
1 - Robinson: A big 19 year old
2 - Rockliffe: Not really what we need at the moment, but a running small foward similar to Chapman could be an the foil for Morton over the next 10 years
Pick 42: Trade with a Schultz or a Polo for an upgraded late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder
Pick 35 odd: Best available ruckman
Pick 58: Pass
Then maybe take an uncontracted played in the PSD
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There's a 6-round mock draft on allfooty.com
http://www.allfooty.info/2008/09/2008-afl-mock-draft-6-rounds-with.html
Here's their RFC selections:
8 Richmond - Tyrone Vickery (200cm, 86kg, ruckman/tall forward)
Richardson and Simmonds are getting closer to the end of their playing days, and Vickery will be able to help up forward and in the ruck.
26 Richmond - Neville Jetta (178cm, 75kg, midfielder/small forward)
In this mock, and possibly in the real draft too, the Tigers went big in round 1 and can go small with later picks.
42 Richmond - Ashley Smith (185cm, 84kg, small defender)
The Tigers might want Newman or Raines in the middle more, and a small defensive role would then be available. Smith could be someone that Richmond thinks can play there.
58 Richmond - Zach Sengstock (191cm, 85kg, tall defender)
Not really a big draft need, as they still have Rance to debut while players like Thursfield and McGuane have been effective and can keep improving, but another tall defender could be useful with Bowden now old and Polak injured.
74 Richmond - Ryan McKenzie (175cm, 73kg, small defender/forward)
Maybe not a midfielder at AFL level, at least not initially, but could be useful in a pocket at either end of the field. As a defender, he could get a lot of the ball and be an important link in getting the ball going forward. He has also shown the ability to go on a streak up forward, kicking several goals in a short amount of time, and that is a good quality to have.
90 Richmond - Liam Jones (192cm, 84kg, tall forward)
Several years away but could become a useful centre half forward or even a centre half back.
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I am warming to the idea of Vickey, would not be too sad if he was to end up with us.
Pattison - Vickey - Putt would be 3 developing decent rucks. maybe rookie another one and our ruck stocks seem fairly healthy.
Compared to the Knobel, Ray Hall daysat least.
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Doubt he wil last now.
too many teams before us in the draft and too much media on Vickery of late.
I heard port are really keen also with a ageing brogen, lade and a rubbish Ruckman in Deluca
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Doubt he wil last now.
oh well.
Another gun midfeilder wouldnt hurt.
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Watts has basically let out of the bag today he's No 1.
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Rich
3. Freo - Naitanui
4. Port - Vickery
5. Ess - Yarran
6. Carl - Hurley
7. Bris - ?
8. Rich - ?
Looks like we'll have a few good kids to choose from - Hartlett, Ziebell or Sidebottom if we want a mid; Trengove or McKernan if we want a big KPP.
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Pick 8 :
1 - Vickery if available. Has the potential to be a ruckman foward in the Ottens template
2 - Ziebel if available. Good size midfielder who can play outside or inside
3 - Trengrove. We still need a big KP backman. At 196cm he could be our man. In the long term I see Thurstfield taking more the speedy medium sized fowards (Robertson, Fisher, O'Keefe, Jones), Rance the big but not overally fast CHF's (Riewoldt, Brown), McGuane the big bastards when playing deep and resting ruckman (Jolly, Pavlich) and Moore the Mr Fix it playing a variety of roles. With the run Rance, Moore and McGuane give, there is no reason why we can't have Rance, McGuane, Thurstfield, Moore and Trengrove in the same team. Ps i dont see Schultz being a long term defender
Pick 26:
1 - Robinson: A big 19 year old
2 - Rockliffe: Not really what we need at the moment, but a running small foward similar to Chapman could be an the foil for Morton over the next 10 years
Pick 42: Trade with a Schultz or a Polo for an upgraded late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder
Pick 35 odd: Best available ruckman
Pick 58: Pass
Then maybe take an uncontracted played in the PSD
Welcome to OER Ball! :)
I could live with all that :thumbsup. A Roughead could slip to the upgraded pick.
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Ch 10 news said the recruiters are claiming this year is the strongest draft since 2001 superdraft.
Mind you they say that every year so we shall see.
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Watts has basically let out of the bag today he's No 1.
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Rich
3. Freo - Naitanui
4. Port - Vickery
5. Ess - Yarran
6. Carl - Hurley
7. Bris - ?
8. Rich - Ziebell
Looks like we'll have a few good kids to choose from - Hartlett, Ziebell or Sidebottom if we want a mid; Trengove or McKernan if we want a big KPP.
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Ch 10 news said the recruiters are claiming this year is the strongest draft since 2001 superdraft.
Mind you they say that every year so we shall see.
I think they will be comparing last years draft with the 2001 crop with Kruezer, Cotchin, Morton, Rioli, Palmer and the like already performing.
As always time will tell on the strength of any draft year
Stripes
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2006 was sposed to be the best.
Media hype.
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Watts has basically let out of the bag today he's No 1.
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Rich
3. Freo - Naitanui
4. Port - Vickery
5. Ess - Yarran
6. Carl - Hurley
7. Bris - ?
8. Rich - ?
Looks like we'll have a few good kids to choose from - Hartlett, Ziebell or Sidebottom if we want a mid; Trengove or McKernan if we want a big KPP.
Brisbane will go Hartlett or Sidebottom or maybe pull a surprise and go Blease, meaning we could choose from all three of Hartlett, Sidebottom or Ziebell in that order of preference.
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Watts has basically let out of the bag today he's No 1.
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Rich
3. Freo - Naitanui
4. Port - Vickery
5. Ess - Yarran
6. Carl - Hurley
7. Bris - ?
8. Rich - ?
Looks like we'll have a few good kids to choose from - Hartlett, Ziebell or Sidebottom if we want a mid; Trengove or McKernan if we want a big KPP.
Brisbane will go Hartlett or Sidebottom or maybe pull a surprise and go Blease, meaning we could choose from all three of Hartlett, Sidebottom or Ziebell in that order of preference.
True TT. Ziebell is closer to the type we need but Hartlett is the classier of the 3 IMO.
Interesting to see if Sidebottom's slow 20m sprint takes some of the gloss from his GF blitz.
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Interesting to see if Sidebottom's slow 20m sprint takes some of the gloss from his GF blitz.
Do you know what time he ran MT?
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Interesting to see if Sidebottom's slow 20m sprint takes some of the gloss from his GF blitz.
Do you know what time he ran MT?
The Pieman didn't have Sidebottom's exact time but they were guessing it was 3.05+.
The best times were posted in the 2008 draft camp thread
1. #39 Ashley Smith, Dandenong, Defender - 2.80 secs
2. #65 Jack Watts, Sandringham, Tall Forward - 2.82 secs :o
3. #12 Stephen Hill, West perth, Midfielder - 2.83 secs
4. #75 Nic Naitanui, Swan Districts, Ruck - 2.86 secs
5. #34 Tom Swift, Claremont, Midfielder - 2.89 secs (not bad for someone who was coming back from injury)
6. #15 Ryan Schoenmakers, Norwood, Forward - 2.90 secs
7. #3 Sam Blease, Eastern, Midfielder - 2.91 secs
7. #17 Nick Heyne, Gippsland, Forward - 2.91 secs
9. #43 Taylor Hunt, Sandringham, Defender - 2.92 secs
9. #30 Luke Shuey, Oakleigh, Midfielder - 2.92 secs
9. #33 Matthew DeBoer, Claremont, Midfielder - 2.92 secs
12.#74 Tyrone Vickery, Sandringham, Ruck - 2.94 secs :o
12.#21 Bryce Carroll, Western Jets, Forward - 2.94 secs
Ziebell was 3.00 - 3.10
Sidebottom was 3.05+
Hurley 2.95 - 3.00
Hartlett, Rich and Beams didn't run
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=7895.msg116344#msg116344
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As someone on BF said the Top 30 is looking good (names mentioned by Melbourne recruiter McCartney) so this draft seems to have depth like 2006 did when we got Connors at 58.
Midfielders
Blease
Suban
Walters
S.Hill
Harteltt
Rich
Ziebell
Swift
Sidebottom
Forwards and Backs
Yarran
Heyne
Schoenmakers
L.Johnstone
J.Trengove
Watts
T.Lynch
Cornelius
L.Jones
McKernan
Hurley
Rockliff
Rucks
Roughead
Natunai
Vickery
Plus others..
Broadbent
O'Keffe
Cahill
Zaharakis
DeBoer
Pearce
A.Cordy (pick 14)
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AFL talent to satisfy needs of all
Sam Edmund | October 04, 2008
AFTER three days of testing the country's best young AFL talent, next month's draft is expected to resemble a smorgasbord with something for everyone.
The popular view at the Australian Institute of Sport is the game's newest inductees will provide solid value for clubs well into the second round of the draft.
"With the first 20-25 players you're going to really find something for everyone there," Collingwood recruiting manager Derek Hine said.
"There's some really good depth in the midfield and there's some taller boys that are just going to be really advantageous if you're looking for that type of player.
Western Bulldogs recruiting manager Scott Clayton said there were at least a dozen talls that would go on to forge long careers.
"Clearly there's a really good bunch of tall players and a greater number of ruckmen than a lot of years," he said.
"It's a good, tall draft."
Hawthorn recruiting manager Chris Pelchen said there was more to come further down the list.
"It's well documented that 2001 was an outstanding group at the top end," he said.
"I think this one runs a little deeper in terms of the depth of the talent, which is pleasing for all the clubs. I would expect the first two rounds will be good for everyone.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24443612-19742,00.html
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Doesn't sound like we're interested in Neville Jetta.
Neville Jetta, Swan Districts, WA
"It was good to chat to the clubs. They are basically all the same. They don't give much away and try to keep a straight face. Some of the clubs were pretty intense, but others were pretty laid back. I had Melbourne and Port Adelaide today. I spoke to Mark Williams and had a good chat. I've also spoken to Geelong, Essendon and the Western Bulldogs."
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68627
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Trading for an inside mid makes me think we may now go tall in the draft if we don't/can't trade for a ruckman. Perhaps a key forward at 8 (Vickey, McKernan) and then a ruckman at 26 (Roughead?).
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I would hope that we would still take best available at 8. For example if Hartlett is available at 8 I would still select him, and take a key forward in r2 and the ruck at 58. All clubs have to have 3 selections at the draft. We should always take the best available with a top 10 pick.
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Trading for an inside mid makes me think we may now go tall in the draft if we don't/can't trade for a ruckman. Perhaps a key forward at 8 (Vickey, McKernan) and then a ruckman at 26 (Roughead?).
Would hope we still get mid.
Ziebell pls.
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We should always take the best available with a top 10 pick.
Absolutely agree 150% oh wise one :thumbsup
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I would hope that we would still take best available at 8. For example if Hartlett is available at 8 I would still select him, and take a key forward in r2 and the ruck at 58. All clubs have to have 3 selections at the draft. We should always take the best available with a top 10 pick.
That's true Ramps. I just was meaning if the choice came down to a mid and KPP of around equal talent that the club likes at pick 8 then it wouldn't surprise me if we went for the tall. We haven't chosen a KPP with a top 10 pick since Otto 11 years ago. Either way I don't think we can lose with pick 8 this year (well we shouldn't unless we were to stupidly go speculative). Some very talented youngsters on offer. Outside Watts and Rich, the next group of 6-7 could be finish up being selected anywhere in the top 8. I also feel more confident about our drafting since Francis Jackson has fully taken over (since 2006).
You'd reckon Ziebell would be one we're interested in Bents. Perhaps not the class of a Hartlett but a midfield ballwinner with size and grunt and a pretty safe bet.
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Trade week fails to deliver talls and ruckmen
Sam Lienert | October 12, 2008
TALL forwards and ruckmen are likely to be at a premium in the upcoming AFL national and pre-season drafts, after several clubs failed in their attempts to trade for them during the week.
Richmond and Melbourne are seeking to boost their ruck stocks.
The Tigers failed to come to terms with West Coast over big man Mark Seaby, who was looking to leave the Eagles for greater opportunity.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/trade-week-fails-to-deliver-talls-and-ruckmen/2008/10/11/1223145704652.html
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SEN tonight had an hour of draft talk with Nigel Carmody from Elite Sports:
Expects Jack Ziebell to go at 8 so a strong chance Francis Jackson will be calling out his name on draft day. They compared him to a Nathan Buckley type. Mouthwatering prospect for the Tigers to have Ziebell and Cotchin in the same midfield brigade.
Tom Swift - around first 2 rounds.
Lewis Johnston - best of key forward out of SA. Still quite raw so the club that gets him will have something to work with. Great effort by him to play so well given he had to travel a long way to play.
Shaun McKernan - biggest hand span at the draft camp. Plays like his older brother Corey. Expects him to go on the fringes of first round or second round.
Hurley - to go around pick 5 or 6 (Ess or Carl).
A caller asked about a ruckman for Richmond? Naitanui will be long gone and we'll be unlikely to get Vickery at pick 8. So next looking at a Roughead (who may be around at our next pick) or McKernan (although not sure he'll be tall enough to be a ruckman at AFL level?). Expects there to be 6-8 talls around to choose from at pick 26.
Top 3 will be Watts, Naitanui and Rich so Melbourne and both WA sides will be able to get the best available youngster who just happens to come from the same state. No need to worry about go-home factor for them.
Expects first 4 Vics to be Watts, Vickery, Ziebell, Sidebottom. Hurley will be close behind. Victoria will supply 50% of the draft this year.
Kicking is back up to the top of the recruiters minds thanks to Hawthorn's 11 left footers cutting Geelong open in the Grand Final. Turnovers by foot hurt you so much now days if a kid can't kick well then he's going to struggle to get drafted.
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SEN tonight had an hour of draft talk with Nigel Carmody from Elite Sports:
Expects Jack Ziebell to go at 8 so a strong chance Francis Jackson will be calling out his name on draft day. They compared him to a Nathan Buckley type. Mouthwatering prospect for the Tigers to have Ziebell and Cotchin in the same midfield brigade.
Foley and Lids the old timers. :cheers
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Kevin Sheahan's list of his first rounders:
Nicholas Naitanui (Swan Districts)
Jack Watts (Sandringham Dragons)
Daniel Rich (Subiaco)
Sam Blease (Eastern Rangers)
Tyrone Vickery (Sandringham Dragons)
Steele Sidebottom (Murray Bushrangers)
Hamish Hartlett (West Adelaide)
Jamie Sheahan (Murray Bushrangers)
Dayne Beams (Southport)
Aaron Cornelius (Tassie Mariners)
Ayce Cordy (Geelong Falcons)
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68955
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Interesting. No Ziebell.
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Where hell did Sheahan pull Dayne Beams from? Will be lucky to be drafted before the 3rd round I'd guess. :-\
I also cant see Sheahan getting into the first round because he's undersized.
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Interesting. No Ziebell.
or tengrove, mckernan, swift
Sheeans lost the plot
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Interesting. No Ziebell.
or tengrove, mckernan, swift
Sheeans lost the plot
Not true. It just said "some" of the first round players. It was not a "here is my top 10 " list
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Sheahan has done this in two parts so far. So maybe there'll be a third part tomorrow which contains Ziebell.
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SEN tonight had an hour of draft talk with Nigel Carmody from Elite Sports:
Expects Jack Ziebell to go at 8 so a strong chance Francis Jackson will be calling out his name on draft day. They compared him to a Nathan Buckley type. Mouthwatering prospect for the Tigers to have Ziebell and Cotchin in the same midfield brigade.
hope the bloke is on to something. Would love to get ziebell into our midfield.
did the guy do a mock draft list of some sort?
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Kevin Sheahan's list of his first rounders:
Nicholas Naitanui (Swan Districts)
Jack Watts (Sandringham Dragons)
Daniel Rich (Subiaco)
Sam Blease (Eastern Rangers)
Tyrone Vickery (Sandringham Dragons)
Steele Sidebottom (Murray Bushrangers)
Hamish Hartlett (West Adelaide)
Jamie Sheahan (Murray Bushrangers)
Dayne Beams (Southport)
Aaron Cornelius (Tassie Mariners)
Ayce Cordy (Geelong Falcons)
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68955
Sheehan has added more names today:
Michael Hurley (Northern Knights)
Rory Sloane (Eastern Rangers)
Nick Suban (North Ballarat)
Shaun McKernan (Calder Cannons)
Tom Rockliff (Murray Bushrangers)
Jack Ziebell (Murray Bushrangers)
A young star, equally capable at half-back, in the centre or as a leading forward. Powerful kick, very competitive, great in the contest, he’s what the clubs want: blokes that can play anywhere and leadership potential to boot.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68956
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SEN tonight had an hour of draft talk with Nigel Carmody from Elite Sports:
Expects Jack Ziebell to go at 8 so a strong chance Francis Jackson will be calling out his name on draft day. They compared him to a Nathan Buckley type. Mouthwatering prospect for the Tigers to have Ziebell and Cotchin in the same midfield brigade.
hope the bloke is on to something. Would love to get ziebell into our midfield.
did the guy do a mock draft list of some sort?
I didn't hear it if he did peggles. I missed the first 20 minutes of the program. SEN had callers ringing up asking him about players and the draft in general. There were a couple of Tiger supporters which pricked up my ears. If a quality KPP like a Vickery is gone then Ziebell would be a good midfield choice for us with our first pick. Best available kid at our pick who just so happens to fill a need of ours (solid body midfield ballwinner and clearance winner).
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This is going to be a difficult choice. We have an increasingly talent midfield with Cotch, Lids, Foley and co. which someone like Ziebell would help form an elite engine for the future but...
..what we really need is quality talls and in particular a talented ruckman to first support and eventually replace Simmonds.
I am hoping we draft two talls with our first two choices.
Stripes
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We need a big key mobile forward as well but to take one at pick 8 we may be getting the 4th best tall who may or may not be as good as the top 3 whereas selecting a midfielder may score us a gun that in 2-3 year time completes a strong and deep midfield brigade that can be rotated without us losing drive. We do need more solid ball and clearance winner mids who can use the footy well too.
Cotch Foley Lids
Ziebell Tuck Tambling
Connors Edwards White Polo Jackson Thomson
I didn't include Cogs in case he's finished.
As you say Stripes it's not an easy decision.
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This is one of the best drafts for talls for a long time so I hope we get 2 with 8 & 26, a forward and a ruckman
Hoping for Vickery @ 8 and Johnston @ 26 but I'm sceptical of both getting through to us at these picks
We can focus on another midfielder with our first pick next year, we have spent most of our time with midfielders since Terry walked in the door so a couple of big blokes in a good year for big blokes is the way to go
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I would love us to grab two talls (big key forward and a ruckman) as well to balance up our list and fill two needs. However if Vickery is gone before pick 8, which is most likely with Port interested in him, do we go with either a McKernan, Trengove or Johnston to grab that tall despite them not being a Watts or Vickery class or in Trengove's case he's coming back from serious injury -OR- do we go best available midfielder who could be a Hartlett or Ziebell?
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Vickery will surely go to Port (assuming NicNat goes top 3) as they now have no young ruckmen with only Brogan and Lade to hold the postion.
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Wouldn't mind Tom Hill at pick 58 if still there. Is a bottom-age tall, I reckon would go in the top 20 next year.
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Vickery will surely go to Port (assuming NicNat goes top 3) as they now have no young ruckmen with only Brogan and Lade to hold the postion.
Port still have Brogan, Giles, Lade, Lobbe & 2 x Westhoff who are 198-200cm, Thurstans has also been known to ruck at 196cm
I still think they are a good chance to take the local boy in Hartlett and then look at the other local ruck of Redden with a later pick
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Neither Westhoffs are ruckmen though and the other two are still only 20 or under so no certs of making it either. Port also need a big tall forward to replace Tredrea so Vickery would kill two birds with one stone for them. The only risk is the go home factor.
Wouldn't mind Tom Hill at pick 58 if still there. Is a bottom-age tall, I reckon would go in the top 20 next year.
Is he still growing? I know he rucked for the Knights but at 198cm he's borderline height for a modern AFL ruckman when he's going to have to compete with 200cm (plus) opponents. Be handy for him if he can grow another couple of cms taller.
Butcher is the tall forward everyone will be chasing after in the 2009 draft. He'd most likely be a first rounder this year if he was eligible.
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We need a big key mobile forward as well but to take one at pick 8 we may be getting the 4th best tall who may or may not be as good as the top 3 whereas selecting a midfielder may score us a gun that in 2-3 year time completes a strong and deep midfield brigade that can be rotated without us losing drive. We do need more solid ball and clearance winner mids who can use the footy well too.
Cotch Foley Lids
Ziebell Tuck Tambling
Connors Edwards White Polo Jackson Thomson
I didn't include Cogs in case he's finished.
As you say Stripes it's not an easy decision.
love the look of the midfield depth there
I would love us to grab two talls (big key forward and a ruckman) as well to balance up our list and fill two needs. However if Vickery is gone before pick 8, which is most likely with Port interested in him, do we go with either a McKernan, Trengove or Johnston to grab that tall despite them not being a Watts or Vickery class or in Trengove's case he's coming back from serious injury -OR- do we go best available midfielder who could be a Hartlett or Ziebell?
i would go the midfielder in that case
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We need a big key mobile forward as well but to take one at pick 8 we may be getting the 4th best tall who may or may not be as good as the top 3 whereas selecting a midfielder may score us a gun that in 2-3 year time completes a strong and deep midfield brigade that can be rotated without us losing drive. We do need more solid ball and clearance winner mids who can use the footy well too.
Cotch Foley Lids
Ziebell Tuck Tambling
Connors Edwards White Polo Jackson Thomson
I didn't include Cogs in case he's finished.
As you say Stripes it's not an easy decision.
love the look of the midfield depth there
Not a bad base to start with is it especially if 4-5 of them can step up and become A-graders.
I would love us to grab two talls (big key forward and a ruckman) as well to balance up our list and fill two needs. However if Vickery is gone before pick 8, which is most likely with Port interested in him, do we go with either a McKernan, Trengove or Johnston to grab that tall despite them not being a Watts or Vickery class or in Trengove's case he's coming back from serious injury -OR- do we go best available midfielder who could be a Hartlett or Ziebell?
i would go the midfielder in that case
Trengove is the tricky one as far as tall. Before he got injured he would've been a top 5 pick but the risk is what is he going to be like once he returns to playing footy. He could be a gun or he could end up like Dowler and still playing VFL 3 years after he was drafted.
Hartlett will be a tricky one for us if he is still around at pick 8. Classy footballer but more outside than inside IMO.
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We need a big key mobile forward as well but to take one at pick 8 we may be getting the 4th best tall who may or may not be as good as the top 3 whereas selecting a midfielder may score us a gun that in 2-3 year time completes a strong and deep midfield brigade that can be rotated without us losing drive. We do need more solid ball and clearance winner mids who can use the footy well too.
Cotch Foley Lids
Ziebell Tuck Tambling
Connors Edwards White Polo Jackson Thomson
I didn't include Cogs in case he's finished.
As you say Stripes it's not an easy decision.
love the look of the midfield depth there
Not a bad base to start with is it especially if 4-5 of them can step up and become A-graders.
I would love us to grab two talls (big key forward and a ruckman) as well to balance up our list and fill two needs. However if Vickery is gone before pick 8, which is most likely with Port interested in him, do we go with either a McKernan, Trengove or Johnston to grab that tall despite them not being a Watts or Vickery class or in Trengove's case he's coming back from serious injury -OR- do we go best available midfielder who could be a Hartlett or Ziebell?
i would go the midfielder in that case
Trengove is the tricky one as far as tall. Before he got injured he would've been a top 5 pick but the risk is what is he going to be like once he returns to playing footy. He could be a gun or he could end up like Dowler and still playing VFL 3 years after he was drafted.
Hartlett will be a tricky one for us if he is still around at pick 8. Classy footballer but more outside than inside IMO.
you reckon ziebell would fit in more than hartlett? i do
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so who should we get ... if available ???
i believe we should get a ruckman, key tall forward, and an attacking midfielder !!!
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so who should we get ... if available ???
i believe we should get a ruckman, key tall forward, and an attacking midfielder !!!
8 = Best available
26 = Ruckman
58 = KPP
Rookie picks
Keep Collard
4 Rucks
Irish rookie?
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8 = Best available
26 = Ruckman
58 = KPP
Agree 100% with that.
Rookie picks
Keep Collard
4 Rucks
Irish rookie?
Wouldn't have 4 rucks - 1 ruckman max, Collard, Irish and 3 'best available' others.
Ruckman we have Simmonds, Pattison, Graham and Putt. 1 with pick 26 and 1 rookie would be enough at this point.
And I still haven't discounted the possibility that we will take Cartledge if we miss out substantially in the draft.
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Wouldn't have 4 rucks - 1 ruckman max, Collard, Irish and 3 'best available' others.
Ruckman we have Simmonds, Pattison, Graham and Putt. 1 with pick 26 and 1 rookie would be enough at this point.
And I still haven't discounted the possibility that we will take Cartledge if we miss out substantially in the draft.
:lol
Yeah probably too many rucks.
If we get one at pick 26, I think we try and rookie a VFL ruck (like Cartledge, but more skills) age 22-23 as that emergency option if Simmo goes down.
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A Bombers fan on BF has put together a good draft source thread with links to info, articles and vision of potential draftees:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=499369
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The same bloke on SEN who said last week Ziebell would be around at pick 8 said tonight to Billy from Heidelberg that Richmond will have a choice of 2nd/3rd best in each category of a midfielder, key forward or ruckman.
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Emma Quayle was on SEN before 7pm last night.
She like a lot of people believes the top 5 will....
1. Watts (Melb)
2. Rich (WC)
3. Naitanui (Freo)
4. Vickery (Port)
5. Yarran (Ess)
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SEN now from 9-10pm tonight have their draft talk hour with Nigel Carmody from Elite Sports and Mark Fine.
They are looking at Division 2 state kids tonight - NSW/ACT, TAS, QLD and NT.
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I'm worrying that we are heading down the Doggies path - a team of great mid-fielders with no quality talls anywhere! I know we have far more up and coming potential talls than the WB but we need to look beyond the middle and to our deficences. We are desperate for good ruckman to at first act as a second ruckman and then eventually take over the mantle. Our current ruck stocks are speculative at best and it is a far cry to expect two of them to come through and be able to compete with 200+ ruckrovers.
We need to get the best ruckman we can get and if Vickery is already gone we need to ensure we get the next best. Our list is developing nicely but I fear unless we ensure we have ruckmen to get it down to our midfielders we will never get anywhere - we all remember 2007 when Simmo and Knoble went down...
Stripes
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A bit of a summary.......
A caller asked who Richmond could get at Pick 8?
Carmody said again Jack Ziebell for the same mouthwatering reason of him, Cotch and Lids in the same midfield. Ziebell relocated to Caulfield Grammar this year and handled that well as well as playing good footy for Vic Country. Has real strong leadership qualities. Carmody doubts Sidebottom will be still around at our first pick.
Hurley - expects him to head to Carlton at 6.
Robinson - inside top 30.
Tom Swift - inside first couple of rounds.
Lisle - a key defender who needs a couple of years in the gym whereas Hurley is more solidly built already.
Post - Form in TAC Cup finals has boosted up his ranking. High as a 2nd round pick.
Blease or Stephen Hill would be handy at the Saints.
Pick 5 (Bombers) - Sidebottom or Ziebell. Vickery if he slips through.
Schoenmakers - similar to a Robert Murphy type but will blonde hair.
Beams - tough onballer/tagger from Qld who didn't take up the GC option. He has strength through loyalty tattooed across his chest plus flames and the Aussie flag down an arm. Collingwood apparently interested.
Xavier Gotch - onballer who went to the state screenings. Is more likely to end up a rookie.
Ex-Tiger Chris Naish is in charge of the scholarship program for NT kids at Scotch College.
Carmody admitted he's probably said 60 different kids could finish inside the top two rounds but that's how open this year is.
List of possible first picks for each club
Adelaide - Phil Davis (key def)
Brisbane - Stephen Hill could be a look at 7.
Carlton - Hurley (key def)
Coll'wood - Sam Blease with first pick (similar to Thomas)
Essendon - Sidebottom (tough inside mid to complement their outside runners)
Fremantle - Rich or Naitanui
Geelong - Mitch Brown (key forward)
Hawthorn - Redden (bolster ruck stocks)
Melbourne - Watts
North - Lewis Johnston (key forward)
Richmond - Ziebell
St Kilda - Mckernan (key forward)
Sydney - ? (add midfield pace)
WC - Rich or Naitanui
Bulldogs - Ayce Cordy (F/S ruck) at pick 14, Ryan Schoenmakers (HFF) at pick 31.
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I've never really been sold on Ziebell and after hearing some of his draft camp stats regarding stamina I hope we don't have him on our list at all
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I've never really been sold on Ziebell and after hearing some of his draft camp stats regarding stamina I hope we don't have him on our list at all
Can't say I am that close to the draft prospects but if stamina is his only downside then that would have to be one of the easiest things to work on wouldn't it? As long as his attitude is right and he has skill if he is the best mid available at our pick then I say go for it.
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I'm worrying that we are heading down the Doggies path - a team of great mid-fielders with no quality talls anywhere! I know we have far more up and coming potential talls than the WB but we need to look beyond the middle and to our deficences. We are desperate for good ruckman to at first act as a second ruckman and then eventually take over the mantle. Our current ruck stocks are speculative at best and it is a far cry to expect two of them to come through and be able to compete with 200+ ruckrovers.
We need to get the best ruckman we can get and if Vickery is already gone we need to ensure we get the next best. Our list is developing nicely but I fear unless we ensure we have ruckmen to get it down to our midfielders we will never get anywhere - we all remember 2007 when Simmo and Knoble went down...
Stripes
I think we are almost there with our midfield but I still think one more with our first pick is the way to go. Then it is time to work on KPP's, rucks and talls as you have said Stripes. We may still need a quality go to KPP in the forward line, come on Clever shine in 09.
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I'm worrying that we are heading down the Doggies path - a team of great mid-fielders with no quality talls anywhere! I know we have far more up and coming potential talls than the WB but we need to look beyond the middle and to our deficences. We are desperate for good ruckman to at first act as a second ruckman and then eventually take over the mantle. Our current ruck stocks are speculative at best and it is a far cry to expect two of them to come through and be able to compete with 200+ ruckrovers.
We need to get the best ruckman we can get and if Vickery is already gone we need to ensure we get the next best. Our list is developing nicely but I fear unless we ensure we have ruckmen to get it down to our midfielders we will never get anywhere - we all remember 2007 when Simmo and Knoble went down...
Stripes
I think we are almost there with our midfield but I still think one more with our first pick is the way to go. Then it is time to work on KPP's, rucks and talls as you have said Stripes. We may still need a quality go to KPP in the forward line, come on Clever shine in 09.
I worry, considering this is the last untampered with draft, that if we don't get a quality ruckman now we may miss the boat and have to settle with Gus, Patto and ilk. The only way we will get a good ruckman in the future is through trades which you can only ever hope to break even with but considering how desperate for a ruck we will be, will most likely lose out on. Picks are going to be even more valuable in the future so we really need to make sure we have all the crutial positions across the ground covered now.
Just my take
Stripes
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A key forward / ruckman for me with the first pick- Tregrove Hurley, Mckernan and Vickery would all fit the bill. Roughhead, Johnston or any other the bigger boys that slip through with our second and I will be excited.
The forth pick can be used for whoever slips through - happy if its the best mid left
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List of possible first picks for each club
Adelaide - Phil Davis (key def)
Brisbane - Stephen Hill could be a look at 7.
Carlton - Hurley (key def)
Coll'wood - Sam Blease with first pick (similar to Thomas)
Essendon - Sidebottom (tough inside mid to complement their outside runners)
Fremantle - Rich or Naitanui
Geelong - Mitch Brown (key forward)
Hawthorn - Redden (bolster ruck stocks)
Melbourne - Watts
North - Lewis Johnston (key forward)
Richmond - Ziebell
St Kilda - Mckernan (key forward)
Sydney - ? (add midfield pace)
WC - Rich or Naitanui
Bulldogs - Ayce Cordy (F/S ruck) at pick 14, Ryan Schoenmakers (HFF) at pick 31.
So according to this no Hartlett at least in the top 10 ???
1. Melb - Watts
2. WC - Nat
3. Freo - Rich
4. Port - ? Vickery?
5. Ess - Sidebottom
6. Carl - Hurley
7. Bris - Stephen Hill (that would be surprising)
8. Rich - Ziebell
9. North - Johnston
10. Adel - Davis
11. Coll - Blease
12. Syd - ? Hartlett?
13. St K - McKernan
14. Dogs - Cordy (F/S)
15. Geel - Brown
16. Haw - Redden
There's also a rumour on the radio tonight that the Eagles want Nat so Freo wanting a tall may not necessarily go after Rich next. I find that hard to believe as Rich would be close to my No.1.
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I've never really been sold on Ziebell and after hearing some of his draft camp stats regarding stamina I hope we don't have him on our list at all
Can't say I am that close to the draft prospects but if stamina is his only downside then that would have to be one of the easiest things to work on wouldn't it? As long as his attitude is right and he has skill if he is the best mid available at our pick then I say go for it.
I only saw Ziebell play for Vic Country in the U18 champs and there were no obvious signs of a lack of stamina from what I saw. If there was a knock on him it was he would bomb the ball deep forward out of the centre (a bit like our Tucky) rather than drill a low lace out pass. Mind you Tassie's defence was pretty useless that day so it wasn't a bad option and Country smashed them.
A key forward / ruckman for me with the first pick- Tregrove Hurley, Mckernan and Vickery would all fit the bill. Roughhead, Johnston or any other the bigger boys that slip through with our second and I will be excited.
The forth pick can be used for whoever slips through - happy if its the best mid left
The draft always doesn't go according to predictions but both Vickery and Hurley would be unlikely to be around at pick 8. Trengove's major query is how has he recovered after ripping his hammy off the bone :-X. I liked Mckernan's game in the Vic Metro vs WA match but other people question his kicking and whether he'll be a tweener at AFL level. At 196cm he could only play mainly as a key forward with spells in the ruck to give the No.1 ruck a rest.
I'd be happy with Roughead at 26.
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I've never really been sold on Ziebell and after hearing some of his draft camp stats regarding stamina I hope we don't have him on our list at all
Can't say I am that close to the draft prospects but if stamina is his only downside then that would have to be one of the easiest things to work on wouldn't it? As long as his attitude is right and he has skill if he is the best mid available at our pick then I say go for it.
According to Phantom on PRE who is doing some stats work for the club, Ziebell's results were
His 20m sprint was 3.11
His beep test was 12.83, and
His VO2Max was 56.6, almost in the lowest 25%.
So even if he wanted to develop an engine, he can't because he doesn't have the lungs.
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According to Phantom on PRE who is doing some stats work for the club, Ziebell's results were
His 20m sprint was 3.11
His beep test was 12.83, and
His VO2Max was 56.6, almost in the lowest 25%.
So even if he wanted to develop an engine, he can't because he doesn't have the lungs.
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Hmmm well that doesn't sound good Infamy, Oh well still say best mid and have to trust in our recruitment dept to pick the best one available whoever that is.
I think it was MT who said Roughead at 26 and would be happy with this choice as well to give us a tall KPP
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I think it's silly to say best mid at 8, we still have far too many deficiencies on our list, especially with taller players to keep focussing on the midfield. In fact I'd say it's ridiculous to ignore the fact we need some more classy talls, especially with the amount of talls available this year.
Not to say I wouldn't take Rich or consider Hartlett at 8, it simply needs to be best available with 8 and then focus more on needs with 26 and later.
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I think it's silly to say best mid at 8, we still have far too many deficiencies on our list, especially with taller players to keep focussing on the midfield. In fact I'd say it's ridiculous to ignore the fact we need some more classy talls, especially with the amount of talls available this year.
Not to say I wouldn't take Rich or consider Hartlett at 8, it simply needs to be best available with 8 and then focus more on needs with 26 and later.
You could be right Infamy, lucky I am not in the recruiting game ;D
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Was a little bored so decided to do a mock draft.
Pick 1 (Melbourne) JACK WATTS 195.8cm, 85kg : The monty pick of the draft. Watts, a supremely talented CHF who tested very well in the sprints, agility and vertical leap will head to the Dees. Has vice-like hands which probably comes from his basketball background.
Pick 2 (West Coast) NICHOLAS NAITANUI 200.9cm, 93.9kg : An athletic freak is Naita. Doing an apprentice under Cox would do him wonders and would prove a very scary ruck duo in the future. West Coast will look to bolster midfield stocks with later picks, but an opportunity like this doesn’t come around too often.
Pick 3 (Fremantle) DANIEL RICH 183cm, 83kg : Big bodied, highly skilled midfielder from W.A. All the talk recently is Stephen Hill, but I just can’t see the Dockers having enough guts to let this one slip through.
Pick 4 (Port Adelaide) TYRONE VICKERY 200cm, 88.8kg : Coming back from a knee reco last year, this lad has come on leaps and bounds and proven his worth as a top 5 draft pick. Excellent at the stoppages and capable of being dangerous up forward, it won’t be too long before he takes the #1 ruck mantle at Port.
Pick 5 (Essendon) MICHAEL HURLEY 192cm, 91kg : Bombers fans may want a mid here, but the talk I’m hearing is that this man is up there for the bombers prized pick. Big unit, ability to play both ends of the ground, this guy is too good to pass up. A backline of Hurley, Ryder and Pears looks formidable for the Dons in a few years.
Pick 6 (Carlton) CHRIS YARRAN 180cm, 84kg : Harshly under-rated on this board, this bloke has the potential to be the pick of the bunch. Clean hands, freakish disposal and has the ability to play midfield. This guy’s a ripper.
Pick 7 (Brisbane) JACK ZIEBELL 188cm, 84kg : Big bodied midfielder/flanker with outstanding disposal. I liken him to Hodge with the big, powerful presence. Brisbane have a winner and Jack is the type of player Vossy will love.
Pick 8 (Richmond) HAMISH HARTLETT 182cm, 74kg : I get the feeling the Tigers would’ve liked the big boy in McKernan at this pick, but Hartlett would be too good to pass up. Classy mid from S.A who could go as high as #3. Outstanding disposal by hand and foot, good in the clearances and an intelligent footballer all-round.
Pick 9 (Kangaroos) STEELE SIDEBOTTOM 182cm, 79kg : All class this bloke. Produced on of the greatest individual displays ever in the u/18’s grand final and that was just the icing on the cake of a fantastic year. I think Rusty would be one of Laidley’s favourites.
Pick 10 (Adelaide) SHAUN MCKERNAN 196cm, 95kg : Big boy this kid, tested very well in the sprints and vertical leap at draft camp. Don’t think the Crows will select him as ruckman, but more so as the big bodied CHF they’ve been crying out for to replace Burton. Also I’ve heard the Crows are very, very keen.
Pick 11 (Collingwood) JACKSON TRENGOVE 196.5cm, 85kg : Highly talented CHB/ruckmen that the Pies would be crying out for. Very mobile, freakish leap this pick could prove a bargain.
Pick 12 (Sydney) STEPHEN HILL 187cm, 72kg : Slightly built, dashing left-footed midfielder who will provide the run and enthusiasm the Swans really need. They probably had Trengrove or McKernan marked down for this pick.
Pick 13 (St Kilda) SAM BLEASE 183cm, 72kg : Quick outside midfielder with excellent disposal, he’ll be the injection the Saints really need in their midfield.
Pick 14 (Western Bulldogs) AYCE CORDY 201.7cm, 70kg : Father/Son pick. Have not seen him play.
Pick 15 (Geelong) LEWIS JOHNSTON 192cm, 87kg : More so a half forward flanker in my opinion, similar to an O’Keefe/Murphy mould. Would be a great 3rd foil for Lonergan, Hawkins and Simpson.
Pick 16 (Hawthorn) TOM SWIFT 190cm, 84kg : Can’t say I’ve seen him play all that much but from what I hear the Hawks could have another superstar on their hands.
Pick 17 (Melbourne) RHYS O’KEEFE 187cm, 80kg
Pick 18 (West Coast) MICHAEL WALTERS 177cm, 75kg
Pick 19 (Melbourne) JORDAN ROUGHEAD 199.7cm, 91.75kg
Pick 20 (West Coast) MITCH ROBINSON 188cm, 77kg
Pick 21 (Fremantle) NEVILLE JETTA 178cm, 75kg
Pick 22 (Port Adelaide) JORDAN LISLE 196cm, 93kg
Pick 23 (Essendon) NICHOLAS HEYNE 187cm, 79kg
Pick 24 (Carlton) AARON CORNELIUS 192cm, 84kg
Pick 25 (Brisbane) JAMES STRAUSS 185cm, 81kg
Pick 26 (Richmond) RYAN SCHOENMAKERS 194cm, 85kg
Pick 27 (Kangaroos) MICHAEL BROADBENT 189cm, 81kg
Pick 28 (Adelaide) ASHLEY SMITH 184cm, 83kg
Pick 29 (Collingwood) NICK SUBAN 179cm, 82kg
Pick 30 (Sydney) TOM LYNCH 191cm, 84kg
Pick 31 (Western Bulldogs) TOM ROCKLIFF 183cm, 83kg
Pick 32 (Western Bulldogs) MICHAEL STILL
Pick 33 (Geelong) CLANCEE PEARCE 183cm, 90kg
Pick 34 (Hawthorn) JAYDEN POST
Would love some constructive criticism.
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That's a good effort Cotch. A realistic mock draft. I've heard Yarran has been linked to the Bombers thanks to assistant coach Ash Prescott and the Cats are interested in Swift but that's nit picking.
Is Schoenmakers really now 194cm? Because that would mean he's grown 5cm in a year :o. He was listed at only 189cm tall earlier this year.
You're thoughts on Redden, Beams, DeBoer, Shuey, Sloane and Zaharakis who you don't have in your first 2 rounds?
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I've never really been sold on Ziebell and after hearing some of his draft camp stats regarding stamina I hope we don't have him on our list at all
Can't say I am that close to the draft prospects but if stamina is his only downside then that would have to be one of the easiest things to work on wouldn't it? As long as his attitude is right and he has skill if he is the best mid available at our pick then I say go for it.
According to Phantom on PRE who is doing some stats work for the club, Ziebell's results were
His 20m sprint was 3.11
His beep test was 12.83, and
His VO2Max was 56.6, almost in the lowest 25%.
So even if he wanted to develop an engine, he can't because he doesn't have the lungs.
How much do you take notice of draft camp athletic results and tests though? JON probably rated highly compared to his peers in all those categories but he's on the edge of being delisted. Football ability should be the main factor in judging a draftee IMHO. I think with Hawthorn and Geelong there's a trend back towards more natural footballers. Imagine Dew being judged by these draft camp tests ;D.
I remember people knocking Cotchin before the draft last year and saying we should take Cale Morton. While Morton will be a good footballer I think the Tiges decision in selecting Cotchin has already been vindicated.
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There's picking due to draft camp results and then there's picking due to draft camp results
Funnily enough, prior to the draft, JON was considered to be a good decision maker and had good disposal too
I still think he could turn out pretty good
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I still think he could turn out pretty good
How long do you think he has got to show he has something to offer, Infamy?
General consensus would suggest next year is his last chance.
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Was a little bored so decided to do a mock draft.
Pick 1 (Melbourne) JACK WATTS 195.8cm, 85kg : The monty pick of the draft. Watts, a supremely talented CHF who tested very well in the sprints, agility and vertical leap will head to the Dees. Has vice-like hands which probably comes from his basketball background.
Pick 2 (West Coast) NICHOLAS NAITANUI 200.9cm, 93.9kg : An athletic freak is Naita. Doing an apprentice under Cox would do him wonders and would prove a very scary ruck duo in the future. West Coast will look to bolster midfield stocks with later picks, but an opportunity like this doesn’t come around too often.
Pick 3 (Fremantle) DANIEL RICH 183cm, 83kg : Big bodied, highly skilled midfielder from W.A. All the talk recently is Stephen Hill, but I just can’t see the Dockers having enough guts to let this one slip through.
Pick 4 (Port Adelaide) TYRONE VICKERY 200cm, 88.8kg : Coming back from a knee reco last year, this lad has come on leaps and bounds and proven his worth as a top 5 draft pick. Excellent at the stoppages and capable of being dangerous up forward, it won’t be too long before he takes the #1 ruck mantle at Port.
Pick 5 (Essendon) MICHAEL HURLEY 192cm, 91kg : Bombers fans may want a mid here, but the talk I’m hearing is that this man is up there for the bombers prized pick. Big unit, ability to play both ends of the ground, this guy is too good to pass up. A backline of Hurley, Ryder and Pears looks formidable for the Dons in a few years.
Pick 6 (Carlton) CHRIS YARRAN 180cm, 84kg : Harshly under-rated on this board, this bloke has the potential to be the pick of the bunch. Clean hands, freakish disposal and has the ability to play midfield. This guy’s a ripper.
Pick 7 (Brisbane) JACK ZIEBELL 188cm, 84kg : Big bodied midfielder/flanker with outstanding disposal. I liken him to Hodge with the big, powerful presence. Brisbane have a winner and Jack is the type of player Vossy will love.
Pick 8 (Richmond) HAMISH HARTLETT 182cm, 74kg : I get the feeling the Tigers would’ve liked the big boy in McKernan at this pick, but Hartlett would be too good to pass up. Classy mid from S.A who could go as high as #3. Outstanding disposal by hand and foot, good in the clearances and an intelligent footballer all-round.
Pick 9 (Kangaroos) STEELE SIDEBOTTOM 182cm, 79kg : All class this bloke. Produced on of the greatest individual displays ever in the u/18’s grand final and that was just the icing on the cake of a fantastic year. I think Rusty would be one of Laidley’s favourites.
Pick 10 (Adelaide) SHAUN MCKERNAN 196cm, 95kg : Big boy this kid, tested very well in the sprints and vertical leap at draft camp. Don’t think the Crows will select him as ruckman, but more so as the big bodied CHF they’ve been crying out for to replace Burton. Also I’ve heard the Crows are very, very keen.
Pick 11 (Collingwood) JACKSON TRENGOVE 196.5cm, 85kg : Highly talented CHB/ruckmen that the Pies would be crying out for. Very mobile, freakish leap this pick could prove a bargain.
Pick 12 (Sydney) STEPHEN HILL 187cm, 72kg : Slightly built, dashing left-footed midfielder who will provide the run and enthusiasm the Swans really need. They probably had Trengrove or McKernan marked down for this pick.
Pick 13 (St Kilda) SAM BLEASE 183cm, 72kg : Quick outside midfielder with excellent disposal, he’ll be the injection the Saints really need in their midfield.
Pick 14 (Western Bulldogs) AYCE CORDY 201.7cm, 70kg : Father/Son pick. Have not seen him play.
Pick 15 (Geelong) LEWIS JOHNSTON 192cm, 87kg : More so a half forward flanker in my opinion, similar to an O’Keefe/Murphy mould. Would be a great 3rd foil for Lonergan, Hawkins and Simpson.
Pick 16 (Hawthorn) TOM SWIFT 190cm, 84kg : Can’t say I’ve seen him play all that much but from what I hear the Hawks could have another superstar on their hands.
Pick 17 (Melbourne) RHYS O’KEEFE 187cm, 80kg
Pick 18 (West Coast) MICHAEL WALTERS 177cm, 75kg
Pick 19 (Melbourne) JORDAN ROUGHEAD 199.7cm, 91.75kg
Pick 20 (West Coast) MITCH ROBINSON 188cm, 77kg
Pick 21 (Fremantle) NEVILLE JETTA 178cm, 75kg
Pick 22 (Port Adelaide) JORDAN LISLE 196cm, 93kg
Pick 23 (Essendon) NICHOLAS HEYNE 187cm, 79kg
Pick 24 (Carlton) AARON CORNELIUS 192cm, 84kg
Pick 25 (Brisbane) JAMES STRAUSS 185cm, 81kg
Pick 26 (Richmond) RYAN SCHOENMAKERS 194cm, 85kg
Pick 27 (Kangaroos) MICHAEL BROADBENT 189cm, 81kg
Pick 28 (Adelaide) ASHLEY SMITH 184cm, 83kg
Pick 29 (Collingwood) NICK SUBAN 179cm, 82kg
Pick 30 (Sydney) TOM LYNCH 191cm, 84kg
Pick 31 (Western Bulldogs) TOM ROCKLIFF 183cm, 83kg
Pick 32 (Western Bulldogs) MICHAEL STILL
Pick 33 (Geelong) CLANCEE PEARCE 183cm, 90kg
Pick 34 (Hawthorn) JAYDEN POST
Would love some constructive criticism.
good picks cotch. would be more than happy with hartlett and shoenmakers.
some talk around of port giving hurley a guarantee they'd pick him if he's still around at pick 4. If that's the case, i can see vickery falling to pick 8. in that case i'd swoop him up. Hope that's how it pans out.
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From BF:
"I was having a coffee down at Barwon Heads this morning when I noticed Wayne Campbell, David King, Jade Rawlings and Choco Royal sitting and chatting at the same cafe with a few young guys. One or two may have been U18 players while another could've already been on Richmond's list (was wearing a Tigers polo)."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12925769&postcount=11
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If true this would make things interesting...
Why Fremantle could overlook Rich
29th October 2008, 9:15 WST
WA could produce three of the first four players in the national draft with mounting speculation that Fremantle will choose West Perth’s Stephen Hill with their No. 3 draft pick ahead of Subiaco’s Daniel Rich.
With Melbourne tipped to pick key forward Jack Watts first and West Coast favouring Swan Districts ruckman Nick Naitanui second, the Dockers will choose between Rich and Hill and are understood to have the wiry Hill at least on even terms.
Port Adelaide would almost certainly then pounce on Rich with the fourth pick on November 29.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=12&ContentID=105110
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Lol, do it Freo, oh good please do it. :lol
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If this happens any chance that Vickery would slip through to us then :pray
Stripes
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I wouldn't mind Rich slipping to 8th to be honest if clubs are that stupid. Gun! He and Watts are clear top 2 IMHO. Freo's draft history is even worse that ours which is saying something but surely they are just bluffing. We did the same thing last year with Cotchin and Cale Morton even though we had Cotchin always locked in.
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There's picking due to draft camp results and then there's picking due to draft camp results
Funnily enough, prior to the draft, JON was considered to be a good decision maker and had good disposal too
I still think he could turn out pretty good
You'd be asking for the recruiters eyes to be tested lol. Miller wasn't the only one who rated JON highly as most mock drafts had him as a first rounder :-\. Perhaps playing on the bigger WA grounds, it being junior footy, and the freer more open style of WA footy, both those aspects of his footy weren't truly tested under pressure as they fall apart pretty easily when pressed in senior footy. Oh well this isn't a JON thread so moving along. I think the last couple of drafts has seen a switch away from the skinny athletic types and back to natural footballers. I guess Naitanui will be the test. Massive upside if his footy ability can be brought up to match his athletic traits but a huge risk that could go either way. He could turn out a freak like Buddy or bomb out like JON. I won't mind if Nat is gone early.
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The Tigers will enter the 2008 AFL National Draft with FOUR selections - 8, 26, 58 and 74.
http://www.afl.com.au/AFL2008/News/Article/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=69484
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The Tigers will enter the 2008 AFL National Draft with FOUR selections - 8, 26, 58 and 74.
http://www.afl.com.au/AFL2008/News/Article/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=69484
Despite being perplexed by some of the non-delistings I'm very pleased we will now have 4 picks in the National draft now although it wouldn't surprise me if we may use pick 74 on a recycled player. We could also save it and use it in the PSD instead but I'd rather use it on a new kid than pick up another dud like a Knobel or Kingsley :P.
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Because not everyone now has the same number of picks after the list lodgements, our last pick has moved up to 70 I believe. So we have now draft picks 8, 26, 58 and 70.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=7887.0
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allfooty.info has updated their mock draft..
Richmond
8 - Shaun McKernan (196cm, 94kg, tall forward/ruckman)
26 - Tom Rockliff (183cm, 83kg, small forward)
58 - Luke Shuey (185cm, 84kg, small forward)
70 - Adrian Bonaddio (190cm, 83kg, tall forward)
http://www.allfooty.info/2008/11/mock-draft-with-new-unofficial-draft.html
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70 - Adrian Bonaddio (190cm, 83kg, tall forward)
Is that the bloke from Port Melbourne ???
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70 - Adrian Bonaddio (190cm, 83kg, tall forward)
Is that the bloke from Port Melbourne ???
Yep WP. He was also picked up as a rookie by the Crows in 2005 but never played an AFL game.
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Fremantle has the third pick in the draft and with Jack Watts and Nicholas Naitanui expected to be the first two players taken by Melbourne and West Coast, Rich is the favourite to be taken next. But Stephen Hill is an exciting prospect.
Full story at:
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69522
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Fremantle has the third pick in the draft and with Jack Watts and Nicholas Naitanui expected to be the first two players taken by Melbourne and West Coast, Rich is the favourite to be taken next. But Stephen Hill is an exciting prospect.
Full story at:
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69522
sounds as if their interest in stephen hill is confirmed. perhaps that means if WCE take rich with their pick, freo is going to overlook naitanui and take hill instead. In that case, maybe naitanui will slip to port and leave vickery for us to take at 8.
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Fremantle has the third pick in the draft and with Jack Watts and Nicholas Naitanui expected to be the first two players taken by Melbourne and West Coast, Rich is the favourite to be taken next. But Stephen Hill is an exciting prospect.
Full story at:
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69522
sounds as if their interest in stephen hill is confirmed. perhaps that means if WCE take rich with their pick, freo is going to overlook naitanui and take hill instead. In that case, maybe naitanui will slip to port and leave vickery for us to take at 8.
Then again Naitanui could slip to 8 :-\
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I always thought that Rich would be WCE's pick, but now Natanui is 200cm and Seaby is looking like leaving at the end of the year, then I'm waivering. It could be Rich that then slips to 4th but either way, Port would be crazy to let him slip. That way Vickery is still a chance to fall to us, so it's all up to Freo.
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FREO the list management, drafting and trading recruitment kings.
What will they do?, hopefully something stupid again so we can continue laughing at them
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I always thought that Rich would be WCE's pick, but now Natanui is 200cm and Seaby is looking like leaving at the end of the year, then I'm waivering. It could be Rich that then slips to 4th but either way, Port would be crazy to let him slip. That way Vickery is still a chance to fall to us, so it's all up to Freo.
Same here. I'd take Rich at #2. Going to be a gun!
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Emma Quayle was on SEN this morning and reckons we'll get one of Vickery or Hartlett (whoever Port doesn't take) or Ziebell.
She has Hartlett at pick 8 in her top 10:
Melbourne: 1. Jack Watts
West Coast: 2. Nic Naitanui
Fremantle: 3. Daniel Rich (keen on Hill and Vickery)
PA: 4. Tyrone Vickery (Hartlett, Hill and Yarran also a chance)
Essendon: 5. Chris Yarran (if Rich or Hill fall they could come into play)
Scum: 6. Michael Hurley (Hartlett an option)
Brisbane: 7. Jack Ziebell (Hartlett or Sidebottom)
Richmond: 8. Hamish Hartlett (keen on Vickery or anyone else who drops such as Ziebell)
North: 9. L Johnston (Lisle is also keen, not too sure)
Adelaide: 10. Phil Davis (or Trengove)
Cordy - fair deal
Banner - late to rookie pick
Barolli - rookie pick
Just for the record here's her 2007 draft top 10 prediction from last year in the Age. She wasn't far off:
1. Carlton - Matthew Kreuzer
2. Richmond - Trent Cotchin
3. West Coast - Chris Masten
4. Melbourne - Cale Morton
5. Western Bulldogs - Jarrad Grant
6. Essendon - David Myers
(or Alex Rance, or Rhys Palmer)
7. Fremantle - Rhys Palmer
8. Brisbane Lions - Brad Ebert
(or Lachlan Henderson)
9. St Kilda - Lachlan Henderson
(or Ben McEvoy)
10. Adelaide - Alex Rance
(or Cyril Rioli)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12979622&postcount=1
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She was very close. Hope Rance lives up to his potential and earns a regular spot in the team next year. Just wondering if he does come in who would go out.
If her prediction is correct does anyone know much about Harlett?
Stripes
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She was very close. Hope Rance lives up to his potential and earns a regular spot in the team next year. Just wondering if he does come in who would go out.
He will keep the pressure on, thats for sure on our backline players.
I think whoever will go out is who is not performing unless he demands selection by his form and then it will be some unlucky bastard.
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3aw just had Adrian Caruso from the AFL prospectus on talking about the draft. He didn't mention Richmond but here is what he said.
* He orders his selections on talent in his opinion rather than what clubs will do. Last year he had Cotchin at #1 last based on his theory on ruckman that you can still find good ones later in the draft and having a great ruckman isn't necessary for success.
* His first few choices this year
1. Naitanui - gone against his rule as he is one out of the box. Based it on what he has done and that he has the most upside of anyone in the draft pool.
2. Watts
3. Vickery
4. Rich
5. Yarran
6. Hartlett - ready to play next year as he played senior SANFL footy this year. Healy has him as his rising star tip for 2009. Yarran is the other one ready to go next year.
* Expects Melbourne will go for Watts so the Eagles will pick up Naitanui.
* Expects Freo to go local with Rich or Hill.
* Expects Hurley to go to Carlton. If Vickery is still around at pick 6, the Blues might let him slip pass them given what they already have - Kreuzer, Warnock, Hampson.
* Sidebottom - should go top 10 but recruiters take notice of draft camp results and he struggled with speed at the camp. However if you base it on what they have done on the field he thinks quicker though than any other midsized midfielder. Compared him to a Bartel.
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It's good to have both types of opinion.
Emma Quayle obviously knows her stuff and who each club is after. Last year she only missed out on Adelaide with the surprise selection of Dangerfield. Seems she is more prepared for Adelaide's left-field drafting this year. My only issue with Hartlett is IMO he is more of an outside midfielder when we need more tough ballwinners. I guess that still can be okay if a change of club changes Thomson's career around for the better as an inside mid to balance up with. That would then probably point to a ruck or key forward at 26 and then a developing tall at 58 plus potentially a recycled player at 70/PSD.
It'll be a real surprise to me if Rich slips outside the top 3. That would really change things up and would probably mean Vickery would slip to our pick 8 which will then change what we do at 26.
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Essendon set to swoop on West Perth quick Stephen Hill
By Jay Clark
November 08, 2008 08:30pm
THE Essendon speed machine is poised to go up another gear next season with the likely addition of WA draft bolter Stephen Hill.
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Swan Districts livewire Chris Yarran seems bound for Brisbane, at pick seven, to play at the feet of imposing tall forward combination Jonathan Brown and Daniel Bradshaw.
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Tom Swift, the Claremont utility coming off consecutive knee injuries, won't slip past Geelong, with the 15th selection of the first round.
Full story here:
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24622660-5005401,00.html
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That's good news for us if true. Whoever Port don't take slips to us. A bonus if it's Vickery but most likely Hartlett or Ziebell.
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Reckon Hartlett will go to PA at 4 and Essendon to take Vickery at 5 leaving us either Yarran, Ziebell or Swift. Whichever of those Brisbane dont get 1st. Carlton will pick Hurley.
As a supprter of true star quality Hartlett is the one I would want as 1st preference so I hope the above doesnt occur.
26 must be a KPP or ruckman with Roughead a chance
Rockliff the slider at 58.
PS love how Freo have come out and mentioned Hills name so other clubs will put him on their radar.
Now Essendon may take him at 5???
If you have read "The Draft" Chris Pelchen said that clubs make up such things to make other clubs make mistakes on draft day or decide against picking certain players that they themselves may want. Oh the mind games.
Cant wait til draft day. Why do have it so late in the year now? Mongrels
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Brisbane would take Ziebell out of those 3 so we'd be left with a choice of either Yarran or Swift. Meh! :-\ I admit I've only seen Yarran play twice live but I wasn't impressed compared to other people on the net (BF) who rave about him. Not as a top 10 choice anyway.
I can see Port overlooking Hartlett even though he's a local boy. They need talls and Vickery is a top 5 choice as you say pmac21 so they would still be picking up best available at pick 4.
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If it came down to Ziebell, Yarran & Swift then I hope we take the chance on Swift
190cm midfielder who was equal or better than Rich as a junior... yes please
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Another updated allfooty.info mock draft....
http://www.allfooty.info/2008/11/phantom-draft-of-choices-2008-afl-draft.html
1 Melbourne
Jack Watts (196cm, 85kg, tall forward) or Nicholas Naitanui (201cm, 94kg, midfielder/ruckman)
2 West Coast
Nicholas Naitanui (201cm, 94kg, midfielder/ruckman) or Daniel Rich (183cm, 83kg, midfielder)
3 Fremantle
Daniel Rich (183cm, 83kg, midfielder) or Michael Hurley (192cm, 92kg, tall defender/forward)
4 Port Adelaide
Hamish Hartlett (182cm, 74kg, midfielder) or Tyrone Vickery (200cm, 89kg, ruckman/tall forward)
5 Essendon
Michael Hurley (192cm, 92kg, tall defender/forward) or Chris Yarran (180cm, 84kg, small forward/midfielder)
6 Carlton
Jack Ziebell (188cm, 84kg, midfielder/medium defender) or Jackson Trengove (197cm, 89kg, tall forward/defender)
7 Brisbane
Chris Yarran (180cm, 84kg, small forward/midfielder) or Tom Swift (190cm, 84kg, midfielder)
8 Richmond
Tyrone Vickery (200cm, 89kg, ruckman/tall forward) or Shaun McKernan (196cm, 94kg, tall forward/ruckman)
With Richardson and Simmonds not far from retirement, the Tigers need to think about bringing in some young ruckmen and tall forwards. Vickery, with his extra height and also a link to Richmond, is probably their preferred option, if he is still available in the real draft, but McKernan would be a solid pick for them too.
26 Richmond
Tom Rockliff (183cm, 83kg, small forward)
or Ryan Schoenmakers (189cm, 85kg, tall forward) or Neville Jetta (178cm, 75kg, midfielder/small forward)
Rockliff will bring the excitement up forward that Chris Naish used to for the yellow and black. He seems like the player that Coach Wallace would like, a small forward that is capable of kicking a lot of goals. Schoenmakers would be an extra tall target up forward while Jetta would be a speedier small option if they wanted that instead.
58 Richmond
Liam Jones (192cm, 84kg, tall forward)
or Eddie Sansbury (183cm, 86kg, small forward/midfielder) or Sam McGarry (186cm, 77kg, small defender/midfielder)
The Tigers have already added Thomson via a trade, and maybe Richmond would also pick a player in the draft with AFL experience and Sansbury may interest them. If they are still looking to the future, then Jones would be useful as a key position prospect, or they could go smaller with someone like McGarry.
70 Richmond
Taylor Gilchrist (189cm, 70kg, medium forward/defender)
or Adrian Bonaddio (190cm, 83kg, tall forward) or Garry Moss (181cm, 72kg, midfielder)
At this part of the draft, Richmond should have covered all their needs and can draft someone like Taylor Gilchrist who has the potential to develop into a very versatile player but could take a few years to get stronger for the AFL. Bonaddio could be useful for the Tigers as he could step in at full forward next season, allowing Richardson to roam around the ground. Teams will also look at Hawthorn's discards, and Richmond is one club that may have a spot for Moss.
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I like that mock draft! Obviously done by a tigers supporter :P
Stripes
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I reckon Tom Rockliff might be around for our 4th rounder, I wouldn't use a 2nd on him.
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I reckon Tom Rockliff might be around for our 4th rounder, I wouldn't use a 2nd on him.
I agree.
Is slow and lacks endurance.
Two things you really need today to succeed as a small forward footballer.
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I reckon Tom Rockliff might be around for our 4th rounder, I wouldn't use a 2nd on him.
I agree.
Is slow and lacks endurance.
Two things you really need today to succeed as a small forward footballer.
dun quite like the ruckliff pick.
tho i'd be stoked if we got liam jones at pick 58. I believe that website has some old info when it comes to height and weight. liam jones i believe is now at least 194, and this has been confirmed by jason mccartney's article on tall forwards on afl website. have been impressed with his athleticism and marking. under age too. there's a clip on bigpond and most likely youtube too
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Inside Football has their draft edition out today. Here's their first round thoughts:
Ben Casanella
1. Watts
2. Naitanui
3. Rich
4. Vickery
5. Ziebell
6. Hurley
7. Hartlett
8. McKernan - much the same sort of player as his older brother.
9. Stephen Hill
10. Trengove
TAC Cup specialist Ben Anderson predicts the first round
1. Melbourne - Watts: key forward you can build a side around.
2. West Coast - Naitanui: Rich is safer but Nat could be anything and is a boom or bust pick.
3. Fremantle - Stephen Hill: Wildcard pick. Argument is Rich is much like Palmer so Freo will go for outside runner with silky skills to complement Palmer.
4. Port Adel - Rich: dilemma b/w Rich and Vickery. Go for the mid with kicking penetration which they lack.
5. Essendon - Hartlett: Yarran was favourite prior to trade week but they couldn't offload Lovett so the Bombers have changed their mind. Hurley will be tempting but Hartlett is best available mid.
6. Carlton - Hurley: need a strong bodied key defender.
7. Brisbane - Ziebell: toss up b/w Ziebell and Swift. Voss to go with a playing style similar to him.
8. Richmond - Vickery: The Tigers will be rapt should Port overlook Vickery at pick four. Troy Simmonds will be 30 this year and Adam Pattison hasn't quite made the grade yet so Vickery, who is best natural ruckman in the draft, is the ideal pick for Terry Wallace's exciting young side.
9. North - Johnston: need a goalkicking mid like Sidebottom but talk is strong they will take Johnston and look to play him at CHB.
10. Adelaide - Trengove: toss up b/w Trengove and McKernan. Go for best available Trengove who is rated top 5 by some.
11. Coll'wood - Swift: go for a mid - choice out of Swift, Sidebottom or Beams.
12. Sydney - Suban
13. St Kilda - Yarran
14. Bulldogs - Cordy (F/S)
15. Geelong - McKernan
16. Hawthorn - Davis
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A happy Punt Rd if the drafts falls the way of that second one with Vickery still around at pick 8.
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Another BF rumour (from a Dons supporter)
I'm certainly not usually one to spread the latest gossip, but having chatted with a bunch of Ziebell's mates only a couple of days ago, the lad has had a huge amount of interest from Richmond, with Carlton also very keen too. Not exactly ground breaking stuff, but I was kinda suprised that he'd feature so prominently on the Tigers radar. Not sure he'll last to them anyway, but there ya go.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13037048&postcount=100
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Infamy, you must be praying that Carlton take him then.
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Emma Quayle was on SEN for their footy hour b/w 6-7pm.
This is her latest top 10 - 15/11/08
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Naitanui
3. Freo - Hill
4. Port - Hartlett (or Vickery but she believes they'll come back to Hartlett)
5. Ess - Yarran
6. Carl - Hurley (whoever Essendon don't take out of Hurley and Yarran)
7. Bris - Rich (could be the slider)
8. Rich - Vickery (or Hartlett if Port take Vickery)
9. North - Ziebell
10. Adel - McKernan
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Emma Quayle was on SEN for their footy hour b/w 6-7pm.
This is her latest top 10 - 15/11/08
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Naitanui
3. Freo - Hill
4. Port - Hartlett (or Vickery but she believes they'll come back to Hartlett)
5. Ess - Yarran
6. Carl - Hurley (whoever Essendon don't take out of Hurley and Yarran)
7. Bris - Rich (could be the slider)
8. Rich - Vickery (or Hartlett if Port take Vickery)
9. North - Ziebell
10. Adel - McKernan
man....michael voss would be doing backflips if they end up getting rich at pick 7.
i certainly hope emma has her sources right, she was pretty damn accurate with her mock draft last year. I would love to pick up either hartlett or vickery (tho i would prefer hartlett, just by a little bit)... good to see that she reckons we'd get either hartlett or vickery, depending on who port picks
Edit: Fixed quoting
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Tom Petroro from Strides Sports management on SEN tonight reckons this draft is up there with 2000/2001 for depth. Probably the top kids of 2006 were slightly better than this crop but the 2008 group is good and goes very deep.
He also believe Vickery will go top 5.
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Outgoing Vic Metro coach David Dickson has seen many of his players go on to become superstars of the AFL during a 12-year tenure, but he rates his final title-winning group among the very best he's led.
That's high praise from a guy who has coached the likes of Chris Judd, Luke Ball, Brendan Fevola and Luke Power, but Dickson is adamant the squad that swept all before it to take the 2008 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships will produce elite-level players of a similar calibre.
full story here:
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69805
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Emma Quayle was on SEN for their footy hour b/w 6-7pm.
This is her latest top 10 - 15/11/08
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Naitanui
3. Freo - Hill
4. Port - Hartlett (or Vickery but she believes they'll come back to Hartlett)
5. Ess - Yarran
6. Carl - Hurley (whoever Essendon don't take out of Hurley and Yarran)
7. Bris - Rich (could be the slider)
8. Rich - Vickery (or Hartlett if Port take Vickery)
9. North - Ziebell
10. Adel - McKernan
man....michael voss would be doing backflips if they end up getting rich at pick 7.
i certainly hope emma has her sources right, she was pretty damn accurate with her mock draft last year. I would love to pick up either hartlett or vickery (tho i would prefer hartlett, just by a little bit)... good to see that she reckons we'd get either hartlett or vickery, depending on who port picks
Edit: Fixed quoting
Emma Quayle has shown last year her info is usually on the money but even then I can't believe Rich would slip to pick 7 :o. If we knew that may happen back at around round 20 you would say tank the last few games to slip down the ladder a couple of places to grab him as Rich will be a gun. If Emma is right, Freo are idiots!
In any case Vickery heading to Tigerland would still make the club estatic :yep. Best available and needed type in the same package.
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Here's the latest mock draft from allfooty.info..
http://www.allfooty.info/2008/11/2008-afl-mock-draft-where-players-will.html
1 Melbourne - Jack Watts (196cm, 85kg, tall forward)
2 West Coast - Nicholas Naitanui (201cm, 94kg, midfielder/ruckman)
3 Fremantle - Daniel Rich (183cm, 83kg, midfielder)
4 Port Adelaide - Tyrone Vickery (200cm, 89kg, ruckman/tall forward)
5 Essendon - Michael Hurley (192cm, 92kg, tall defender/forward)
6 Carlton - Jack Ziebell (188cm, 84kg, midfielder/medium defender)
7 Brisbane - Tom Swift (190cm, 84kg, midfielder)
8 Richmond - Hamish Hartlett (182cm, 74kg, midfielder)
Richmond
8. Hamish Hartlett (182cm, 74kg, midfielder)
26. Tom Rockliff (183cm, 83kg, small forward)
58. Tom Hill (199cm, 79kg, tall forward/ruckman)
70. Liam Jones (192cm, 84kg, tall forward)
The Tigers need players that can kick the ball accurately, Hartlett would be a future leader in the midfield while Rockliff would be a dangerous player up forward. Richmond also need some more height and get a couple of project talls to work with too.
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I wonder whether Tregrove will be considered now that he has been given the all clear from the doctors? Before he was injuried he was considered a top 5 pick but teams cooled on him after his injury. If he is taken in the Top 10 it should mix things up for us at the very least.
Stripes
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Quigley on BF has done an extremely detailed mock draft on each draftee up to pick 60.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518477
Here's his picks for us. Click the link for the full detailed description on each player.
8. Tyrone Vickery (DOB – 31/5/90, Ht – 200, Wt – 89)
Richmond I think will be happy to sit back and pick up whoever drops. Their biggest need is probably in the ruck where they need to start planning for life after Simmonds. Similarly they could use a small forward with Deledio playing more in the midfield and Brown nearing the end. Some more class in the midfield would also be helpful although probably not an immediate need. Yarran I think would get a long look here assuming he is available but I have had them taking Vickery for some time and I am sure the Tigers would like to pick him up if they could.
26. Nick Heyne (DOB – 22/7/90, Ht – 187, Wt – 79)
If Richmond go tall in the first round I expect them to go small in the second. If it is the other way around I think Lisle might go off the board here if he is still available As it stands I think they might go looking for a longer term replacement for Nathan Brown. Jetta and Rockliff may be chances and Hall is another who could add some class to the forward flank options given time. In the end though I went with another guy who can play forward or through the midfield and has a little bit of that X factor that you have a lot in premiership teams. The Tigers are starting to build up their bank of classy players and I don’t think they would overlook their opportunity to build on that here.
58. Casey Sibosado (DOB – 13/10/90, Ht – 191, Wt – 85)
Richmond will take a key position or two in this draft and the best Div 2 prospect left out there is Sibosado who gets a fair bit of love on the draft board. He is an interesting prospect and one well worth looking at at this stage in the draft. He has quite a lot of talent and looks like he has the tools to develop into a nice player. The Tigers could use his athleticism especially with Richo coming to the end of his career.
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I'd doubt we'd take another flanker as 26 and if Freo are keen on Stephen Hill they won't bypass him twice. If all the better mids are gone at 26 then we'd be better to go with another tall like a Lisle or Roughead if they were still around as Quigley has. We need a replacement for Polly as well as fill out existing gap in KPPs and rucks.
I wonder whether Tregrove will be considered now that he has been given the all clear from the doctors? Before he was injuried he was considered a top 5 pick but teams cooled on him after his injury. If he is taken in the Top 10 it should mix things up for us at the very least.
Has Trengove been given the all clear?
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No flankers for me either please.
We will fill up the flanks with our superflous midfield stock that is (will be ;D) bursting to the brim with quality and quantity
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Has Trengove been given the all clear?
Yeah it is in todays HUN page 85 - and here it is off the web ;D
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24667181-19742,00.html
Report boost to Trengove's draft hopes
Jon Ralph | November 18, 2008 12:00am
STAR Vic Metro defender Jackson Trengove has roared back into top-10 calculations in the national draft after an excellent medical report on his troublesome knee. Clubs had grave fears about the athletic 196cm tall's playing future after complications with surgery in June to re-attach his hamstring tendon.
A nerve problem meant Trengove, 18, struggled with movement in his foot and required further surgery in July.
It meant his standing as one of the star talls of the first round was put in jeopardy despite his excellent junior credentials.
The Calder Cannon had been regarded as a certain top-10 selection after shining in attack and defence.
But clubs recently received his latest medical report, which indicates he is expected to make a full recovery.
The report circulated to the clubs from neurologist Richard Gerraty states he has had "marked improvement", which "indicates significant nerve recovery" since his last check-up.
Trengove is now expected to join what clubs are calling the best assortment of athletic talls in the draft's history.
Key position talls Nicholas Naitanui, Jack Watts, Tyrone Vickery, Michael Hurley and Shaun McKernan are all expected to join Western Bulldogs' father-son pick Ayce Cordy as first-round selections.
Trengove starred in the first game of this year's under-18 titles before ripping the hamstring in a training accident before the second game.
AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan said it would be a relief for Trengove, who is due to finish his VCE exams today.
"He is a 197cm super-talented key forward/key defender that everyone was talking about before it all went sour and now he's back.
"There was uncertainty about his recovery but the report says it is just about a full recovery. He looks like a first-round choice," he said.
One AFL recruiter said yesterday:
"He was widely considered a top-10 draft pick before the knee complications and he has certainly polarised various clubs.
"Now his medical report is through, I would anticipate he would be a first-round pick fore sure."
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Cheers WP :cheers.
Good news for us. Either we can select him ourselves or if he's gone before pick 8 someone else of quality will slip down to us. Win win :thumbsup.
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Draft primer: Richmond
RICHMOND
Picks: 8, 26, 58, 70
Departures:
Greg Tivendale, Chris Hyde, Danny Meyer, Travis Casserly, David Gourdis (rookie)
Where’s the club at?
The Tigers are in the exciting/uncomfortable position of being mid-table and on the rise, and thus having to deal with a strange feeling – expectation. Along with Carlton, they're expected to be 2009's big improvers, having risen from 16th to ninth this year. With a solid defence, quick midfield and developing forward line, the Tigers simply must make the finals this year. If they do, it will be for just the third time in a quarter of a century, although they have finished ninth four times in the last decade.
Needs:
The Tigers need experience – unlikely to be procured through the draft – and depth, so expect to see them take the best players available. They could do with a ruckman to back up the big-hearted Troy Simmonds, while the move of Matthew Richardson to a wing means they could use a key forward or two to work with Jack Riewoldt. The back six is pretty settled, but another key defender or two can never hurt. No different to a lot of clubs around the middle of the table, really.
Recent drafts:
Poor ladder position means good draft picks, and the Tigers have loaded up in recent times. Trent Cotchin and Alex Rance were taken in 2007, while 2006 produced Matt White, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards and Daniel Connors. The Tigers also traded to get Graham Polak, Mitch Morton and Jordan McMahon.
Chance of taking recycled players:
Unlikely. The Tigers showed faith in their young list in 2008 and it paid off. Expect them to build future depth rather than falling into the trap of topping up while outside the eight. Kent Kingsley in 2007, and Trent Knobel and Patrick Bowden in 2005 will be recent reminders of the dangers, although McMahon has been good since his arrival last year.
What coach Terry Wallace says:
"Best player or needs? I'm best player, but you have to have a strategy for both. You never let Ian Stewart go past to try to pick up Whale Roberts, no offence to Whale. Trying to get the ruckman and you let a champion go past, you have to be careful of that. All of us still have to have a calculation of where our list is at, and what we still need to get a better list."
We say:
Whoever the Tigers get with pick eight should be stellar. The smart money is pointing to under-18 All-Australian Hamish Hartlett from Port Adelaide, brother of Carlton's Adam. But if he's gone, the Tigers could go for Vic Metro ruckman Tyrone Vickery if he has not already been snapped up. The whisper is that Port Adelaide is also trying to decide between the same pair, with the Tigers keen to scoop up whoever the Power doesn't take.
http://afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=69906
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White was a PSD pick and Connors slipped to 58. Hardly early picks there. Gourdis wasn't a rookie either. Otherwise not a bad summary although nothing new.
Jordie's detractors must have missed "McMahon has been good since his arrival last year" ;D
Draft primer: Richmond
We say:
Whoever the Tigers get with pick eight should be stellar. The smart money is pointing to under-18 All-Australian Hamish Hartlett from Port Adelaide, brother of Carlton's Adam. But if he's gone, the Tigers could go for Vic Metro ruckman Tyrone Vickery if he has not already been snapped up. The whisper is that Port Adelaide is also trying to decide between the same pair, with the Tigers keen to scoop up whoever the Power doesn't take.
Cameron and Jackson will need to bring a coin to the draft and we can sit on Port's table and toss for Vickery lol.
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Emma Quayle's latest top order on SEN this arvo:
1. Melbourne - Watts
2. WCE - Naitanui
3. Freo - split between Rich or Hill (EQ said it's very up in the air from this point on)
4. Port - Hartlett, maybe Rich if he's there (could change as Williams apparently has a big influence on who they normally pick, but hasn't met with recruiters yet)
5. Essendon - Yarran (may have gone off?), Hurley or Sidebottom are other chances
6. Carlton - Rich, Yarran, Hurley (EQ guess in order ... dependent on which one slips through)
7. Brisbane - Ziebell
8. Richmond - Vickery (hoping for Hartlett)
9. North - Hurley (if he gets through), very keen on Johnston too
10. Adelaide - Trengove (I think she said undergoing some medical testing today, which will impact)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13084633&postcount=157
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If it came down to Vickery or Hartlett, I would've thought Vickery as a ruckman/key forward would be at the top of our list out of the players likely to be available at pick 8 but either way we'd still end up with a quality kid. The more surprising early picks like Hill and Yarran before our pick #8 the better for Richmond.
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agree the more early picks like hill and yarran the better for us.
i'm undecided whether i want hartlett or vickery more. but she seems to imply we're bound to get one or the other, which is good news
but as she said, we're more keen on hartlett than vickery. in that case, hope freo takes hill and port takes rich. which will likely give us a choice of the 2
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Relating to us Emma Quayle said Mark Williams is overseas and he hasn't sat down with Port's recruiters yet (happens next week) so she doesn't know for sure what they will do but she believes they'll go for Hartlett unless Rich is available. She hence has us taking Vickery as Hartlett most likely won't be around at pick 8.
Just on Trengove she said he is having tests on his knee today - still having some nerve issues.
She thinks there could be a dozen different scenarios and this year is a nightmare to try to predict. Freo will set the tone. Hill or Rich will ripple down through the first round. Hill may go at 3 or not even make the top 10.
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Ch 10 news interviewed and showed young ruckman Jarred Redden playing for Woodville-West Torrens last night. Not sure if he'll be around at pick 58 but he looked a good size and models himself on Dean Cox.
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Here's Emma Quayle's top 25 kids (not a mock draft).
Judgement Day
Emma Quayle | November 23, 2008
FIRST, some apologies. I am a big fan of Tom Lynch’s bustle, and think he may well end up a first-round draft choice on Saturday. James Strauss has a lovely kick, David Zaharakis has speed and I like Luke Shuey’s ability to involve the players around him. Not to mentionTom Rockliff’s simple knack for getting the ball and kicking goals.
Those five players have all held a place in my top 25 in the past weeks and months, with Jordan Roughead, Rhys O’Keefe, Michael Gugliotta, Dan Hannebery, Rhys Stanley and Mitch Robinson also, in my opinion, chances to play good AFL football. I found it really hard to separate the players from about Michael Walters onwards.
OK, now that I’ve covered my butt . . .
This is not a mock draft, more my personal rankings of this year’s draft crop, after seeing the boys play live, watching a stack of tapes, interviewing many of the players, speaking to people who know them well and running my thoughts past some trusted advisers.
Looking back at last year’s list, I am reasonably happy. I should have had the nerve to put Pat Veszpremi up higher. “Junior” Rioli looked after me, and I was satisfied with the small glimpses we saw of Patrick Dangerfield this season. I’d probably nudge Callan Ward up a few spots based on what I saw this year, and Rhys Palmer at No. 12? Hmm . . . that maybe my slip-up, but I still believe others may pass him as their careers unfold from here. Let’s wait and see.
1. Jack Watts
(Sandringham Dragons, 196 centimetres, 82 kilograms)
Watts is the most complete prospect in this year’s draft. He has all the athletic qualities you could want in a key forward — he’s quick, agile, he’s a good kick and he can mark. Most importantly, it’s not all potential as he has put all those things on show already. Watts loves a big stage — witness his last-minute pack mark and match-winning goal in the first game of this year’s national under-18s championships — and seems a really happy, assured and at-ease person. He has major ambition and I think he’ll lap up the challenge of being at the wooden spoon club.
2. Chris Yarran
(Swan Districts, 180cm, 83kg)
For the past few days I’ve been thinking: can you really have Chris at No. 2? But I’m backing him in. He is just an exceptionally gifted player. People are going to love watching him. He has beautiful skills and an ability to either involve those around him or just do it himself and kick goals. He hasn’t proved himself as a midfielder, but as he develops his fitness — and I think he’ll thrive in an AFL environment — he’ll spend increasing time in there. Eighteen months ago, Chris was incredibly shy, he almost didn’t even want people to notice him. Now, he seems so much more content and confident in himself. I think he’ll be a great player.
3. Nick Naitanui
(Swan Districts, 201cm, 94kg)
Nick “Nat” has some work to do, but which draftee doesn’t have skills to hone? He offers far too much and can do too many things to drop him any lower than here. We’ve all been told how high he can jump and how fast he can run, but what I love is how, if the ball is anywhere near him, he will fight to the death to win it, tackling anyone in his way. He is determined to learn and improve, and I think his progress will speed up enormously once he starts working with AFL coaches every day.
4. Jackson Trengove
(Calder Cannons, 197cm, 89kg)
Need someone to play on “Buddy”? Jackson’s your man. He has the height, the pace and the athleticism and although he’s played a lot as a ruckman, he looks natural in defence. Some have queried his kick, but it looks OK to me. What I like most is that he’s a real ruffian — he loves getting stuck into opponents and roughing them up, getting into their heads. I saw him unsettle the normally unfl appable Ben McEvoy playing for the Calder Cannons against Murray last year, and hear he did the same thing to Jack Watts in a scratch match during the AIS Academy’s South African trip this year. He’d be a great, strong-minded person to have around a club. Pending another positive final medial report — he tore his hamstring from behind his knee this year — I’d happily pick him.
5. Tyrone Vickery
(Sandringham Dragons, 200cm, 89kg)
Vickery is intriguing. Every time I got it into my head that I like him better as a key forward, he didn’t attack his marks with the vigour I’d remembered, but played with really nice touch in the ruck. Then, when I watched him as a ruckman, he’d be hurling himself around in the forward line and looking much better there. At the end of it all, I really like him. Sometimes, it worries me when you can’t decide which position a player best fits, but I think Vickery legitimately does both well.
6. Hamish Hartlett
(West Adelaide, 184cm, 77kg)
Hartlett is a class act: he’s not a speed machine, but he can pick where the ball’s going to go and gets there first. His ability to get his arms and hands free while being tackled is impressive. His skills are top notch, he can do good things in tight spaces, and he knows how to kick goals. He’s had a year out of school working and I think he’s itching to get to an AFL team and get this thing started.
7. Tom Swift
(Claremont, 191cm, 85kg)
Swift is a big call here, given he has barely played in two years. But all I’ve ever seen of him, I’ve loved — he wins heaps of the ball and I really like how he ducks into packs and emerges out the other side with the ball. He’s grown, and he has speed. It’s a worry that neither of his two knee injuries has involved contact, but all I’ve heard on his progress has been encouraging. Tom seems a smart, sensible kid and you can expect to see his name in a leadership group before too long.
8. Ayce Cordy (Geelong Falcons, 202cm, 78kg)
I haven’t seen a heap of Ayce — he had a shoulder reconstruction this
year — but on what I saw at the end of 2007 and in an AIS game this year, I’m happy to rank him here. He is one of the skinniest people I have ever laid eyes on, but his height — combined with his running ability, make him quite a scary proposition. I don’t think that there’s a player like him around, so if he makes it, I’m not sure who you put on him. He’s a really clean mark and the way he can scoop up balls at his feet is quite incredible.
9. Daniel Rich
(Subiaco, 184cm, 83kg)
Rich is as tough as they come. Lock him in to play a lot of games at a high level. He wins his own ball and has one of the longest, loveliest leftfoot kicks you’ll see. The question is how much — in his second senior WAFL season — he has developed this year, and I know he is keen to start improving his work-rate so he can bust past the taggers. But like Hartlett, he’s been out of school for a year and was ready to be drafted last year. He’d be desperate to get into it and like any 18-year-old, has plenty of improvement in him.
10. Steele Sidebottom
(Murray Bushrangers, 184cm, 81kg)
Sidebottom reminds me a bit of a little Jack Russell terrier — always seems to be hanging around, always on the move, looking for something to do. I think this, in combination with his great instincts — he knows where to get to, just before he needs to be there — make up for his lack of leg speed. He’s a great overhead mark for his size and it will be interesting to see if this can translate to AFL level, where everyone will be bigger again. He plays with poise, dare and inventiveness.
11. Jack Ziebell
(Murray Bushrangers, 188cm, 86kg)
Supporters will love Ziebell. He has a knack for winning up-for-grabs balls, and is brave and strong-willed (with a classy kick, on both sides, to match). The question is where his spot will be — forward, midfield or back? Or could he end up doing all, whenever required, well? He won’t die wondering, will really inspire his teammates to come with him and will wind up a leader.
12. Stephen Hill
(184cm, 69kg)
Don’t be fooled by this skinny little whippet — he’s as tough as they come. He’s got great skills and as his confidence grows (I think he’ll take a little while to adjust to AFL footy) he’ll start breaking away on some dashing runs and kicking long goals. He’s busy, diligent, and will be highly exciting to watch.
13. Michael Hurley
(Northern Knights, 193cm, 92kg)
Hurley is big and mean — but there’s more to him than that. A key defender, he controls the space around him really well, never seems to get rattled, has excellent anticipation and can hit teammates on the chest from 50 metres away. The question is positioning — Hurley looks a natural full-back, but he might get caught out for pace off-the mark against the sort of full-forwards he’d have to play on. That said, I’d call his name knowing he could play centre half-back or as a forward.
14. Sam Blease
(Eastern Ranges, 184cm, 70kg)
Blease is another dasher. He’ll get the ball, run, give it, get it back and run again. Of the line breakers in this draft, he and Hill are the best. He’s still skinny, but his height is fi ne and he has great balance. I think he could become a bigger possession winner at AFL level — the way the game is played will suit him.
15. Nick Suban
(North Ballarat Rebels, 180cm, 83kg)
Suban is a natural — he gets the ball, can take a mark, and has a thumping kick on him. He can get through traffic with a shake of his hips and has notched some good handball receive numbers this year too. The skinfolds need attention, but I’m sure that will happen once he himself gets into a club.
16. Michael Walters
(Swan Districts, 177cm, 73kg)
If Walters slips out of the top 20, someone’s getting a bargain. I’d consider him a midfi elder, but perhaps he’ll start out in the forward line. He’s not zippy, but has a knack for winning contested footy and finding space. A nice, smart, nifty little player with lovely skills.
17. Phil Davis
(North Adelaide, 196cm, 85kg)
I wish I could have seen more of Davis, who injured his shoulder midyear, but everything I’ve seen, I’ve liked, so I feel comfortable including him. He’s an athletic backman who likes to bound away when he can. You won’t hear anyone say a bad word about his nature and leadership potential.
18. Lewis Johnston
(North Adelaide, 193cm, 84kg)
Johnstone has tricks — I can’t see him becoming a real power forward, but he’ll grab crafty marks when he doesn’t seem in the contest and kick goals from the boundary line. Might kick six one week and then none the next, but come up with the match winner after the siren. I see him as a full forward — he’s smart, with speed off the mark and anticipation. A “could be anything” type.
19. Mitch Brown
(Sandringham Dragons, 195cm, 82kg)
Brown is this year’s bolter — he could be a surprise fi rst-rounder having missed the Dragons squad at the start of the year. I like how hard he works — a key forward, he pushes really hard both up and across the ground. He’s a really honest player, no mucking around. He gets himself into space to mark and has also grabbed some good ones under pressure.
20. Shaun McKernan
(Calder Cannons, 196cm, 94kg)
McKernan will become a very big man. The query’s on where he’ll play — is he big enough to play in the ruck (he has a great leap) or will he become a better forward? I like him as a forward — his strength is his long arms, and he instinctively goes for the ball with them stretched up high. His marks tend to stick. He’s not as boisterous as Trengove, he’s a quieter kid, but seems to have some real resolve about him.
21. Dayne Beams
(Southport, 186cm, 77kg)
Beams is a neat and tidy midfielder. He brings teammates into the game with his handpassing and is willing to push back hard and link things up — often getting two or three possessions as his team takes the ball through the midfield.
22. Jordan Lisle
(Oakleigh Chargers, 195cm, 93kg)
I can see Lisle turning into a monster centre half-back (although he’s also played forward a lot). Like Hurley, he hasn’t got a burst of speed, but seems really sure of himself and in control of the space around him.
23. Ashley Smith
(Dandenong Stingrays, 186cm, 85kg)
Ash, I think, is a midfi eld prospect, although he’s played forward and looks good at half back — really diffi cult to get past. Great speed, great balance and a beautiful kick. I’m sure as he develops he’ll learn to run with the ball even more. There’s not much fuss about him either, he has an “all business” look about him.
24. Ryan Schoenmakers
(Norwood, 194cm, 84kg)
On first look, Schoenmakers seems a “third tall” type, although at 194- centimetres he may become more than that. He’s been compared to Ryan O’Keefe and that’s fair — he works pretty hard up the ground, and has clean hands. Once in a game, he also seems capable of kicking multiple goals.
25. Casey Sibosado
(Xavier College/ Oakleigh Chargers, 192cm, 72kg)
Here’s my smokey. I can’t see anyone picking Sibosado this high, but once he turns out to be a star I want to be able to say “I told you so”. (note: If he doesn’t work out let’s pretend this article never happened!). Casey has talent, pure and simple — he gets the ball when he shouldn’t, has a knack for nudging players in the back with his chest and getting his arms up to mark, he times his leaps really well and can play down back and go for a run, although I like him as a forward most. The trick for him is forcing his own involvement in a game. But once he’s in it, he can do anything. If he makes it, he’ll be hugely exciting to watch.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/general/judgement-day/2008/11/23/1226770818997.html
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Per all the experts, who would have thought the we would be disapointed if we get Vickery because we missed out on Harlett.
Mate ,I sure will be celebrating - hey Brother, will still be wrapped if we get JT.
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Ill be happy with any of Hartlett Vickery Swift or Trengove. Outside of this group for pick 8 and Id be disappointed with the selection.
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Well if the draft went in the order Emma has the kids listed then it's Rich to Richmond. Yes please!
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Well if the draft went in the order Emma has the kids listed then it's Rich to Richmond. Yes please!
Yeah saw that, we couldnt be that lucky could we??
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Hamish Hartlett :) - hope he slips down to us!
i think Port Adelaide will take Vickery
i think Brisbane might take Ziebell
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Kevin Sheehan's top 5 in no particular order are (on KB's show):
Watts
Naitanui
Vickery
Rich
Hartlett
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Here my new top 16:
1. Melb - Watts No surprise there
2. WC - Natanui No surprise either
3. Freo - Rich Are they really so stupid they wouldnt take him ????
4. P.A - Hartlett Wont go past the local product
5. Ess - Hurley Cant see them going past a ready made FB
6. Carltank - Trengove Gun footballer and if he doesnt go here I believe Richmond will take him at 8.
7. Brisbane - Tom Swift Gun will be better than Rich & Hartlett
8. Rich - Vickery Must take the ruckman and will be a good solid player for us for many years barring injury
9. NM - Shaun McKernan Big bodied player who will play in 09
10. Adel - Jack Ziebell Wont be able to resist the next best available
11. Pies - Steele Sidebottom They have been into him for a while and will take him here
12. Stk - Chris Yarren Bugger me dead how does he slip so far down ???
13. Sydney - Lewis Johnson - Under aged player that I would love to slip to 26 but wont happen.
14. WB Ayce Cordy
15. Geelong - Stephen Hill Bolter will suit there midfield structure
16. Hawks - Phil Davis Solid FB should go here but so could 10 others i.e Strauss, Lisle, Shoenmakers
At 26 hoping one of Suban, Lisle or Blease drops to us. Vickery and Blease would be good as they both barrack for the Tigers !!!!!
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Here my new top 16:
1. Melb - Watts No surprise there
2. WC - Natanui No surprise either
3. Freo - Rich Are they really so stupid they wouldnt take him ????
4. P.A - Hartlett Wont go past the local product
5. Ess - Hurley Cant see them going past a ready made FB
6. Carltank - Trengove Gun footballer and if he doesnt go here I believe Richmond will take him at 8.
7. Brisbane - Tom Swift Gun will be better than Rich & Hartlett
8. Rich - Vickery Must take the ruckman and will be a good solid player for us for many years barring injury
9. NM - Shaun McKernan Big bodied player who will play in 09
10. Adel - Jack Ziebell Wont be able to resist the next best available
11. Pies - Steele Sidebottom They have been into him for a while and will take him here
12. Stk - Chris Yarren Bugger me dead how does he slip so far down ???
13. Sydney - Lewis Johnson - Under aged player that I would love to slip to 26 but wont happen.
14. WB Ayce Cordy
15. Geelong - Stephen Hill Bolter will suit there midfield structure
16. Hawks - Phil Davis Solid FB should go here but so could 10 others i.e Strauss, Lisle, Shoenmakers
At 26 hoping one of Suban, Lisle or Blease drops to us. Vickery and Blease would be good as they both barrack for the Tigers !!!!!
Hope you are right with Vickery or Trengrove - both exactly what we are lacking!
Stripes
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( 1 ) Melbourne Watts (Vic)
( 2 ) West Coast Natanui (WA)
( 3 ) Fremantle Rich (WA)
( 4 ) Port Adelaide Vickery (Vic)
( 5 ) Essendon Trengove (Vic)
( 6 ) Carlton Hurley (Vic)
( 7 ) Brisbane Ziebell (Vic)
( 8 ) Richmond Hartlett (SA)
( 9 ) North Melbourne Swift (WA)
what happened to Mitch Banner ?
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A Tigers fan asked Emma Quayle about pick 8.....
Hi Emma,
Great job... a quick question with your thoughts on the Tigers, it is well talked about that they are keen on Hartlett and Vickery, however do you know who else they have an interest in should these 2 be gone by pick 8? cheers.
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Thanks Dizzy, I can't see the Tigers going without both Hartlett AND Vickery. I think one will definitely be there, possibly even both which would make things interesting. On the off chance they're gone it will mean someone - Jack Ziebell most likely - will have pushed down the order a bit, and will be the one they go for. - Emma Quayle
http://blogs.theage.com.au/realfooty/archives/2008/11/emma_quayles_to.html?page=fullpage#comments
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what happened to Mitch Banner ?
In what way? He'll still be there when we take our pick 58 imo.
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Here my new top 16:
1. Melb - Watts No surprise there
2. WC - Natanui No surprise either
3. Freo - Rich Are they really so stupid they wouldnt take him ????
4. P.A - Hartlett Wont go past the local product
5. Ess - Hurley Cant see them going past a ready made FB
6. Carltank - Trengove Gun footballer and if he doesnt go here I believe Richmond will take him at 8.
7. Brisbane - Tom Swift Gun will be better than Rich & Hartlett
8. Rich - Vickery Must take the ruckman and will be a good solid player for us for many years barring injury
9. NM - Shaun McKernan Big bodied player who will play in 09
10. Adel - Jack Ziebell Wont be able to resist the next best available
11. Pies - Steele Sidebottom They have been into him for a while and will take him here
12. Stk - Chris Yarren Bugger me dead how does he slip so far down ???
13. Sydney - Lewis Johnson - Under aged player that I would love to slip to 26 but wont happen.
14. WB Ayce Cordy
15. Geelong - Stephen Hill Bolter will suit there midfield structure
16. Hawks - Phil Davis Solid FB should go here but so could 10 others i.e Strauss, Lisle, Shoenmakers
At 26 hoping one of Suban, Lisle or Blease drops to us. Vickery and Blease would be good as they both barrack for the Tigers !!!!!
We would be rapt if the draft went like that. Freo's history would say they are stupid enough to bypass Rich lol.
Blease did his AIS scholarship week at Punt Rd this year just as Cotch did his in 2007. So the club would know Blease and what he is capable of well.
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I actually like Blease as a player. He has a 2nd gear and alot of pace. Ive seen him break away from opponents on the run - easily.
Others however criticise Blease as being to skinny and being a hff, wing type. Nevertheless if he was there at our 2nd round pick, youd have to have a look at him.
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A Tigers fan asked Emma Quayle about pick 8.....
Hi Emma,
Great job... a quick question with your thoughts on the Tigers, it is well talked about that they are keen on Hartlett and Vickery, however do you know who else they have an interest in should these 2 be gone by pick 8? cheers.
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Thanks Dizzy, I can't see the Tigers going without both Hartlett AND Vickery. I think one will definitely be there, possibly even both which would make things interesting. On the off chance they're gone it will mean someone - Jack Ziebell most likely - will have pushed down the order a bit, and will be the one they go for. - Emma Quayle
http://blogs.theage.com.au/realfooty/archives/2008/11/emma_quayles_to.html?page=fullpage#comments
that's good to hear. can't see us not picking one of these 2 players. i'd certainly hope one if not both are around when pick 8 comes. not too interested in ziebell
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Freo is the wildcard. If they are only bluffing and actually play it safe by selecting Rich then there's a chance Hartlett and Vickery could be gone by our turn :-\. However if Freo are nuts and go for a Hill over Rich then the flow on effect is good for us as at least one of kids we want will slip through to us. The same thing goes if Essendon or Carlton go for Yarran. We want clubs above us to risk going for kids with X-factor. A conservative draft reduces our options at pick 8.
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More from Emma Quayle...
As for Richmond - I think if Tyrone Vickery is there he would be a great pick for them, he plays ruck but will also give them a young, strong-bodied key foward proposition, someone with a bit more bulk to him than Riewoldt, Hughes etc. - EQ
http://blogs.theage.com.au/realfooty/archives/2008/11/emma_quayles_to.html
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I'm now hoping for Vickery @ 8 and Mitch Brown @ 26
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I'm now hoping for Vickery @ 8 and Mitch Brown @ 26
I'm interested in the reasoning for Mitch Brown @ 26. Suban, Lynch, Heyne and He can take marks and kick goals in school footy but has shown bugger all more at the higher level. Looks very raw in the Gourdis way. Will be a slider imo.
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It seems Mitch Brown's stocks have gone up big time as he's grown 7cm in the past year :o and he's now 195cm. He's probably got a fair bit of development left in him too getting use to playing in key positions at his now taller height.
Our chances of getting Vickery look good now if the Age report today is right that Port want Hartlett.
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The latest Mock Draft from allfooty.info
1 Melbourne - Jack Watts (196cm, 85kg, tall forward)
2 West Coast - Nicholas Naitanui (201cm, 94kg, midfielder/ruckman)
3 Fremantle - Daniel Rich (183cm, 83kg, midfielder)
4 Port Adelaide - Hamish Hartlett (182cm, 74kg, midfielder)
5 Essendon - Stephen Hill (182cm, 72kg, midfielder/small forward)
6 Carlton - Michael Hurley (192cm, 92kg, tall defender/forward)
7 Brisbane - Jack Ziebell (188cm, 84kg, midfielder/medium defender)
8 Richmond - Tyrone Vickery (200cm, 89kg, ruckman/tall forward)
26 Richmond - Nick Heyne (187cm, 79kg, medium forward/midfielder)
58 Richmond - Casey Sibosado (191cm, 85kg, medium forward)
70 Richmond - Tom Hill (199cm, 79kg, tall forward/ruckman)
http://www.allfooty.info/2008/11/2008-afl-draft-ultimate-mock-draft.html
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I wish
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6 Carlton - Michael Hurley (192cm, 92kg, tall defender/forward)
I reckon this guy will be a slider.
Everyone will want to grab the best mids they can before the quality thins out.
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In peoples opinions - Could Hurley hold down CHF?
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I know a kid called Patrick Hayes who has trained with Richmond last season...I saw Ramps mention him somewhere here...he reckons he is a chance to be rookie listed by us, or possible pick 70...(or a 70+ pick in the draft)
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i just hope Richmond uses all four draft picks for 17/18 year olds. if we draft a recylced player, that is a disgrace! Richmond's problem has been drafting recylced players "hoping" to re-start their careers! never works!
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i just hope Richmond uses all four draft picks for 17/18 year olds. if we draft a recylced player, that is a disgrace! Richmond's problem has been drafting recylced players "hoping" to re-start their careers! never works!
What about Shane Tuck? Delisted by hawks,then playing in the SANFL.
Brent Guerra? Stewart Dew? Premiership team.
Never works ??? ??? ??? ???
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Richmond expecting the unexpected on draft day
NICK Naitanui the slider on Saturday? Not going in the top three?
No, it's not likely, that's true, but it's an indication of the apparently bizarre scenarios that AFL clubs play with in the week leading up to the draft.
The Tigers were surprised when Alex Rance slipped through to No.18 last year, and the club is getting ready for more unexpected players slipping through this year.
Richmond recruiting manager Francis Jackson is living by the motto "expect the unexpected", and true to that, he's suggesting that while the club is preparing its "what-if" scenarios, there's already information suggesting an upset brewing.
"That's what we try and talk about this week, and that's what we're doing today," he said on Wednesday.
"There's something else that you wouldn't think possible, that mightn't be beyond the realms of possibility for Saturday.
"And that's why we like to be prepared and have everything down pat, because if you do deviate from your philosophy, sometimes you get pushed into decisions that you haven't given the correct amount of time to and you find yourself in trouble, so we try to cover all those bases.
"So there could be a possible upset in the wind, but I'm not even sure myself exactly what it is. But it could be."
The Tigers get to call their first number with the eighth pick, and Jackson said they were ready for anything after they got Rance at 18 last year.
"We've done our list and our priority order, but sometimes the unexpected might crop up – a player might slide dramatically that you hadn't really considered, and you would find it hard to believe someone might be there at, for instance, our pick eight, when they might be one of the top couple, or the same thing could happen in the second round.
"This is my third draft, and it's taught me to expect the unexpected.
"We play 'what happens if?' What happens if Naitanui falls to us?
"That's what happened to us last year with Alex Rance – we took him at pick 18 and clearly thought he'd be gone by then.
"That's part of the excitement of draft day – years of planning, and the unexpected can still jump up."
http://afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=70204
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Sam Blease believes we'll go tall ...
Although his supporter heart lives at Punt Rd – Blease spent a week with the Tigers as part of the AIS/AFL Academy earlier this year – the schoolboy Richmond fan admitted he is unlikely to end up at the club.
“Yeah, [I’m a] pretty keen Richmond supporter. I’ve been a member for 10 years, so I think that could be over this year!” he said.
“They’ve got pick 8, so I think that’s a bit early [for me].
“And I think they’re after a ruckman and tall blokes, so if I grow 10 inches in the next couple of days then I might be a look in!” said the 184cm onballer.
http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=70210
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Kevin Sheehan's top 5 (he was just on SEN before)
1. Watts
2. Naitanui
3. Rich
4. Hartlett
5. Vickery
Let's hope he's wrong.
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why hope he's wrong.
i'm sure sheehan isn't doing a mock draft, just his top 5 players in terms of ability, and since we're expected to get either vickery or hartlett, it's a great thing i would have thought
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National Draft
8 - Nick Nat ( Just one of those feelings i have ) / Vickery
26 - Shaun McKernan
58 - Adam Cockie
70 - B. Cousins
Rookie Draft
3 Mids
1 KPP
1 Ruck
The main reason i believe that we traded for Thompson is that RFC did not rate the midfield depth to be much chop around pick 42.
Cockie would be considered a bit of a project type.
Thus if we rookie 3 mids in the rookie draft they can slowly filter through if good enough when the more senior of the group start to depart.
Again with the KPP and Ruck in the rookie draft they could also be treated as projects that may or may not make it.
So in summary,
We load up with Ruck/KPP + KPP + Gun Mid + Project mid/forward loaded with potential.
3 mids to develop at VFL level and to prove their worth.
1 KPP Project.
1 Ruck Project.
Thoughts, Criticisms, Positives ( Be Gentle :) )
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why hope he's wrong.
i'm sure sheehan isn't doing a mock draft, just his top 5 players in terms of ability, and since we're expected to get either vickery or hartlett, it's a great thing i would have thought
I meant I hope he's wrong in terms of the order and in terms of what other clubs are thinking. If most clubs above us think the same then we won't be getting either Vickery or Hartlett. If either one ends up at Tigerland by midday Saturday then I hope he's right in terms of quality as you say peggles.
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National Draft
8 - Nick Nat ( Just one of those feelings i have ) / Vickery
26 - Shaun McKernan
58 - Adam Cockie
70 - B. Cousins
Rookie Draft
3 Mids
1 KPP
1 Ruck
The main reason i believe that we traded for Thompson is that RFC did not rate the midfield depth to be much chop around pick 42.
Cockie would be considered a bit of a project type.
Thus if we rookie 3 mids in the rookie draft they can slowly filter through if good enough when the more senior of the group start to depart.
Again with the KPP and Ruck in the rookie draft they could also be treated as projects that may or may not make it.
So in summary,
We load up with Ruck/KPP + KPP + Gun Mid + Project mid/forward loaded with potential.
3 mids to develop at VFL level and to prove their worth.
1 KPP Project.
1 Ruck Project.
Thoughts, Criticisms, Positives ( Be Gentle :) )
I'd be very nervous if Nat fell to pick 8 :-\. Sure he could be anything but he's very raw. Hopefully Vickery will be around and the Tiger stars align.
I wouldn't be too disappointed with the next two. McKernan will have to play as a key forward though at AFL level as he's too short for a ruckman.
We won't be selecting Cousins. The club has ruled it out.
Very happy with your rookie plan. An underage Luke Thompson as Ramps wants would be a good rookie to go after if he's still around at our first pick in the rookie draft. Interesting to see who we invite down to Punt Rd on Sunday from the kids who miss out on getting drafted.
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Emma Quayle was on Sport 927 yesterday discussing the draft. Here's the audio link:
http://www.sport927.com.au/gateway/Daily_Audio/Sound%20Grabs/EQ_261108.asx (http://www.sport927.com.au/gateway/Daily_Audio/Sound%20Grabs/EQ_261108.asx)
Her latest top 10 discussion. No mention of pick 8 but she believes Port will take Hartlett.
1. Melb - Watts
2. WCE - Naitanui
3. Freo - She still thinks it will be Stephen Hill but she has 4 versions of the draft. Freo may play it safe and go for Rich.
4. Port - Hartlett. Believes this will happen.
5. Ess - Make their mind up the day before. Out of 3 (Yarran, Sidebottom, Hurley). Believes they will go outside Rich or Hill.
6. Carl - Rich if he falls. Hurley if Rich is gone. Gut feel is Hurley will end up at Carlton.
9. Roos - Hurley if he's still around after Carlton.
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Rumour on bomberblitz that with Freo selecting Hill, if Hartlett goes to Port they will take Rich but if Port choose Rich then they'll grab Vickery.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?s=d4a0f69546560cb51f5143cdd8baa00b&showtopic=46068
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Rumour on bomberblitz that with Freo selecting Hill, if Hartlett goes to Port they will take Rich but if Port choose Rich then they'll grab Vickery.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?s=d4a0f69546560cb51f5143cdd8baa00b&showtopic=46068
hope not
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Yes we would love Vickery wouldn't we, fingers crossed. I will have to wait as the draft is on fox at 3pm WST. I will record it while swimming with the kids, come back, have a shower, sit with a beer and watch Vickery join the Tiges. I don't want to watch it on the net.
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The Blues won't be selecting Vickery. They've narrowed their choice down to four - Hartlett, Hurley, Rich and Yarran.
http://www.afl.com.au/AFL2008/News/Article/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=70303
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The West Australian's predicted top 10:
1. Watts
2. Natanui
3. Hill
4. Hartlett
5. Hurley
6. Yarran
7. Rich/Ziebell
8. Vickery
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Looks like Hartlett is almost definitely going to be picked up by Port.
... it seems less likely the club will use its highest-ever draft pick to secure gun Victoria Metro tall Tyrone Vickery.
Vickery, who recovered from a knee reconstruction to earn All-Australian honours this year, has been linked to the Power since October’s NAB AFL Draft Camp, but now appears to have slipped behind local talent Hamish Hartlett in calculations.
The Power took 200cm running machine Matthew Lobbe with their first pick (16) in 2007 and Hartley was confident that he and developing big man Jon Giles could provide enough back-up for Lade and Brogan next year.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=70324
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Just spoke to very passionate Bomber supporter and the word from Bomberland is that they have decided on Michael Hurley no matter who else is available barring Jack Watts.
That being said if PA take Hartlett, Carlton will most likely take Trengrove or Yarran. Brisbane are keen on Ziebell but may find Rich too hard to resist.
I believe we will still take Vickery if Rich slid that far !!!
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who will Brisbane take?
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As pmac said Brissy will mostly go for a Voss-like midfielder - Rich or Ziebell. They have Brown and Bradshaw up forward and Leuenberger as a promising young ruck so with Lappin retiring they need mids you would think. Maybe Hartlett could be a chance to go up North if he's still around but it looks like he's heading to Port.
It looking more and more that Vickery will be a Tiger in 24 hours time. I'd take Rich ahead of him though if he was to slip down to us as you go for best available but that's unlikely to happen so Vickery looks to be our pick.
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As much as Vickery is the player I'm hoping us to get at 8, if Rich is still available, we need to pick him
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Jon Ralph in the Herald-Sun has his top 9 from what he's heard:
1. Watts (Melb)
2. Naitanui (WCE)
3. Hill (Freo)
4. Hartlett (Port)
5. Hurley (Ess)
6. Yarran (Carl)
7. Rich (Bris)
8. Vickery (Rich)
9. Ziebell (North)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24722936-19742,00.html
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Couldn't find this on the Net so I typed it out. It has us picking Vickery and Post.
HIT PICKS AND DRAFT DISASTERS
PHANTOM DRAFT - LATE MAIL
Herald-Sun, Sat 29 Nov 2008, Page 75
The Phantom has kept his ear to the ground and, based on form, inside knowledge and whispers, here are his latest predictions for today's first two rounds:
1 Melbourne - Jack Watts (Sandringham Dragons)
2 West Coast - Nicholas Naitanui (Swan Districts)
3 Fremantle - Stephen Hill (West Perth)
4 Port Adelaide - Hamish Hartlett (West Adelaide)
5 Essendon - Michael Hurley (Northern Knights)
6 Carlton - Chris Yarran (Swan Districts)
7 Brisbane - Daniel Rich (Subiaco)
8 Richmond - Tyrone Vickery (Sandringham Dragons)
9 North Melbourne - Jack Ziebell (Murray Bushrangers)
10 Adelaide - Jackson Trengove (Calder Cannons)
11 Collingwood - Tom Swift (Claremont)
12 Sydney - Lewis Johnston (North Adelaide)
13 St Kilda - Sam Blease (Eastern Ranges)
14 W Bulldogs - Ayce Cordy (Geelong Falcons)
15 Geelong - Steele Sidebottom (Murray Bushrangers)
16 Hawthorn - Phil Davis (North Adelaide)
17 Melbourne - Tom Lynch (Sandringham Dragons)
18 West Coast - Michael Walters (Swan Districts)
19 Melbourne - James Strauss (Oakleigh Chargers)
20 West Coast - David Zaharakis (Northern Knights)
21 Fremantle - Hayden Ballantyne (Peel Thunder)
22 Port Adelaide - Luke Shuey (Oakleigh Chargers)
23 Essendon - Ashley Smith (Dandenong Stingrays)
24 Fremantle - Shaun McKernan (Calder Cannons)
25 Brisbane - Dayne Beams (Southport)
26 Richmond - Jayden Post (Western Jets)
27 Nth Melbourne - Mitch Brown (Sandringham Dragons)
28 Adelaide - Mitch Robinson (Tassie Mariners)
29 Collingwood - Jordan Lisle (Oakleigh Chargers)
30 Sydney - Nick Suban (North Ballarat)
31 W Bulldogs - Ryan Schoenmakers (Norwood)
32 W Bulldogs - Liam Jones (Tassie Mariners)
33 Geelong - Nathan O'Keefe (Eastern Ranges)
34 Hawthorn - Sam Wright (Murray Bushrangers)
LAST YEAR'S TOP 10
1 Matthew Kreuzer - Carlton 20 games
2 Trent Cotchin - Richmond 15 games
3 Chris Masten - West Coast 9 games
4 Cale Morton - Melbourne 19 games
5 Jarrad Grant - W Bulldogs 0 games
6 David Myers - Essendon 8 games
7 Rhys Palmer - Fremantle 20 games
8 Lachie Henderson - Brisbane 8 games
9 Ben McEvoy - St Kilda 1 game
10 Patrick Dangerfield - Adelaide 2 games
PAY SCALES FOR TODAY'S DRAFTEES
First-round pick $55,000
Second-round pick $50,400
Third round or later $47,800
Match payments $27,000
Match Bonuses
1-5: $2600
6-10: $2600
11+ : $2600
Maximum bonus $7800
* A first-round selection who plays 22 games could be paid $122,200 next year.
VIEWERS GUIDE
Where: Telstra Dome
When: Today, 10am.
General public are not permitted entry.
How to follow it:
- Herald Sun footy website superfooty.com.au will have live pick-by-pick coverage, plus video
interviews and club reaction, starting at 9.30am.
- SEN radio will broadcast live from Telstra Dome from 9am.
- Fox Sports 1 will package a one-hour wrap of the draft from 5-6pm.
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The whispers and mock drafts have converged the last few days for the top 9 or so. Everyone now seems to have us picking up Vickery and Post. You've just got to wonder if anyone before us will stick a surprise spanner in the works as far as Hartlett, Vickery and Rich go and they are all gone before #8 :-\. The Bombers pick at #5 becomes the key now.
Best case scenario:
1. Watts
2. Nat
3. Hill
4. Hartlett
5. Hurley
6. Yarran
7. Ziebell
8. Vickery/Rich - tough decision but not a bad one to have as far as the two choices available :pray.
Worst case scenario:
1. Watts
2. Nat
3. Hill
4. Hartlett
5. Vickery
6. Hurley
7. Rich
8. ?? :-\
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Worst case scenario:
1. Watts
2. Nat
3. Hill
4. Hartlett
5. Vickery
6. Hurley
7. Rich
8. ?? :-\
Would hope we take Swift if that's the case
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* A first-round selection who plays 22 games could be paid $122,200 next year.
I know that not many do this and the likelihood of a draftee who plays all 22 in the 1st season running off the rails is probably much reduced BUT.......
with this sort of money available to 17/18 year olds it's not hard to see how some get carried away with the hype and perceived self-importance of it all, and never fulfill their real potential.
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Emma Quayle did well with her predictions. 12 of the first 16 including the first 9 she got spot on.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/emma-quayle-predicts-your-first-round-pick/2008/11/29/1227491840994.html
1 MELBOURNE - JACK WATTS
2 WEST COAST - NICK NAITANUI
3 FREMANTLE - STEPHEN HILL
4 PORT ADELAIDE - HAMISH HARTLETT
5 ESSENDON - MICHAEL HURLEY
6 CARLTON - CHRIS YARRAN
7 BRISBANE LIONS - DANIEL RICH
8 RICHMOND - TYRONE VICKERY
9 NORTH MELBOURNE - JACK ZIEBELL
10 ADELAIDE - JACKSON TRENGOVE
11 COLLINGWOOD - STEELE SIDEBOTTOM
12 SYDNEY - LEWIS JOHNSTON
13 ST KILDA - TOM LYNCH
14 WESTERN BULLDOGS - AYCE CORDY
15 GEELONG - TOM SWIFT
16 HAWTHORN - PHIL DAVIS
Compared to Matt Burgan who got 8 out of 20.
1. Jack Watts (Melbourne)
2. Nick Naitanui (West Coast)
3. Stephen Hill (Fremantle)
4. Hamish Hartlett (Port Adelaide)
5. Daniel Rich (Essendon)
6. Michael Hurley (Carlton)
7. Chris Yarran (Brisbane Lions)
8. Tyrone Vickery (Richmond)
9. Jack Ziebell (North Melbourne)
10. Jackson Trengove (Adelaide)
11. Steele Sidebottom (Collingwood)
12. Lewis Johnston (Sydney Swans)
13. Tom Lynch (St Kilda)
14. Ayce Cordy (Western Bulldogs)
15. Ashley Smith (Geelong)
16. Sam Blease (Hawthorn)
17. Ryan Schoenmakers (Melbourne)
18. Tom Swift (West Coast)
19. Dayne Beams (Melbourne)
20. Phil Davis (West Coast)
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Good day, we can't whinge about that can we, welcome to all the new players and I can't wait to seethem next year. Don't let us down Hissy.
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Man, I tell you what this is the first footage I have seen of Post, shiiiiiiiiit, can't wait for this guy.
http://afl.com.au/draft/index.htm