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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 30, 2008, 04:00:12 AM
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Friday, October 31 (2pm) -- Club List Lodgement List 1 - maximum 35 players, rookie promotion, retained rookies, scholarship player transfer and international scholarship.
The club must be close to making their final delistings public.
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Guessing Howat, Silvester and Cartledge are gone and it's whether Collard remains a rookie. Unless more go from the senior list we'll have 9-10 new Tigers by the start of next year (4 senior listed players and 5-6 rookies).
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Guessing Howat, Silvester and Cartledge are gone and it's whether Collard remains a rookie. Unless more go from the senior list we'll have 9-10 new Tigers by the start of next year (4 senior listed players and 5-6 rookies).
How come Cartledge MT?
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We would need to delist another senior to keep him since he is too old for the rookie list this year.
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We would need to delist another senior to keep him since he is too old for the rookie list this year.
I understand that RROFO my query was more on why MT thinks Cartledge would be the one to be delisted.
Given our ruck problem just a curiosity question on why not promote him and delist someone else, eg Pettifer
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I will be interested to see if the either of the Petts or Collards rumours prove true. We should know by tomorrow.
I think Cartledge will stay unless we believe we have a good chance of securing a quality ruckman in this draft.
Stripes
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Guessing Howat, Silvester and Cartledge are gone and it's whether Collard remains a rookie. Unless more go from the senior list we'll have 9-10 new Tigers by the start of next year (4 senior listed players and 5-6 rookies).
How come Cartledge MT?
Just a feeling. We have young ruckman Fabian Deluca training with us who is still young enough to be a rookie option whereas as mentioned Cartledge would have to be promoted to the senior list and in place of another delisting. From a financial point of view in regard to our TPP it would be cheaper to delist Cartledge than a Pettifer who we would still need to pay as far as his rehab goes (so you might as well keep him on the list).
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Guessing Howat, Silvester and Cartledge are gone and it's whether Collard remains a rookie. Unless more go from the senior list we'll have 9-10 new Tigers by the start of next year (4 senior listed players and 5-6 rookies).
How come Cartledge MT?
Just a feeling. We have young ruckman Fabian Deluca training with us who is still young enough to be a rookie option whereas as mentioned Cartledge would have to be promoted to the senior list and in place of another delisting. From a financial point of view in regard to our TPP it would be cheaper to delist Cartledge than a Pettifer who we would still need to pay as far as his rehab goes (so you might as well keep him on the list).
That's a good call assuming no other clubs pick Deluca up before us. If they do and we have already delisted Cartledge and have not been able to draft a quality ruckman we will be up that proverbial creek which no paddle is going to help us out of!
I hope we pick up Deluca, elevate Cartledge and delist Petts.
Stripes
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The number of list changes so far for each club. Tiges have the equal fewest but rookie changes will boost it higher.
Port 12
Fremantle 11
Brisbane 9
Essendon 9
St Kilda 9
Adelaide 7
Coll'wood 7
North 7
Carlton 6
Melbourne 6
Sydney 6
Geelong 5
Hawthorn 5
Eagles 5
Richmond 4
Bulldogs 4
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Guessing Howat, Silvester and Cartledge are gone and it's whether Collard remains a rookie. Unless more go from the senior list we'll have 9-10 new Tigers by the start of next year (4 senior listed players and 5-6 rookies).
How come Cartledge MT?
Just a feeling. We have young ruckman Fabian Deluca training with us who is still young enough to be a rookie option whereas as mentioned Cartledge would have to be promoted to the senior list and in place of another delisting. From a financial point of view in regard to our TPP it would be cheaper to delist Cartledge than a Pettifer who we would still need to pay as far as his rehab goes (so you might as well keep him on the list).
That's a good call assuming no other clubs pick Deluca up before us. If they do and we have already delisted Cartledge and have not been able to draft a quality ruckman we will be up that proverbial creek which no paddle is going to help us out of!
I hope we pick up Deluca, elevate Cartledge and delist Petts.
Stripes
True it's a risk but do we want two fringe ruckmen on our senior list though who most likely would be delisted at the end of next year so we'd be back to square one anyway?
I know Patto and Gus are still a long way from being up to where we need them to be (Putt has only had one year) but Cartledge and Deluca haven't set the world on fire either in their footy careers to date at AFL level.
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Rance emerged as the winner of the beach challenge, followed by Cameron Howat, Andrew Collins, Cotchin and White.
WTF? WHAT? HUH? :help
Just doing one last drill before the chop?
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Rance emerged as the winner of the beach challenge, followed by Cameron Howat, Andrew Collins, Cotchin and White.
WTF? WHAT? HUH? :help
Just doing one last drill before the chop?
Surely we are not seriously considering promoting Cam to the senior list ??? :help
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Rance emerged as the winner of the beach challenge, followed by Cameron Howat, Andrew Collins, Cotchin and White.
WTF? WHAT? HUH? :help
Just doing one last drill before the chop?
Surely we are not seriously considering promoting Cam to the senior list ??? :help
You wouldn't think so but we will see soon, I'm surprised St Kilda didn't want him to go with their other SOFA's.
To trade him dont we have to promote him to the senior list, maybe it is all part of the strategy to offload him to the Ainters
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I hope we havent forgot about this. :lol ;D
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I hope we havent forgot about this. :lol ;D
The dog ate it lol
As Blackboard would say "hurry up!" :yep
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I hope we havent forgot about this. :lol ;D
The dog ate it lol
As Blackboard would say "hurry up!" :yep
Haha I loved Mr Squiggle as a young tacker. ;D :thumbsup
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it would appear that gourdis may be in trouble.
club may look at rookie listing him
a birdie told me sylvester will be retained
collard is gone
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it would appear that gourdis may be in trouble.
club may look at rookie listing him
a birdie told me sylvester will be retained
collard is gone
Silvester is too old to be retained as a rookie so he would need to be promoted to the senior list to remain on our list. Gobsmacked if that happened.
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Silvester is too old to be retained as a rookie so he would need to be promoted to the senior list to remain on our list. Gobsmacked if that happened.
No so going by the rules MT - Sylvestor is still eligble to be a rookie (mature age) because he has never been placed on a primary list... or something like that.... :-\ ;D
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Silvester is too old to be retained as a rookie so he would need to be promoted to the senior list to remain on our list. Gobsmacked if that happened.
No so going by the rules MT - Sylvestor is still eligble to be a rookie (mature age) because he has never been placed on a primary list... or something like that.... :-\ ;D
Yup, I think WP is right on this one.
Sylvester can be our mature rookie because he has never been on a senior list.
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Cheers guys. I need to check the rookie criteria again. I've obviously forgotten the finer points :-\.
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Can have been on a senior list but cannot have played a senior game.
(Silvester is eligible to be mature age rookied)
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Gourdis has been delisted
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Gourdis has been delisted
Confirmation anywhere?
EDIT:
Richmond has made the final changes to its playing list ahead of the 2008 National Draft.
David Gourdis has been delisted, while rookies Tristan Cartledge, Clayton Collard and Cameron Howat have not been retained on the Club’s rookie list.
The Tigers have made a total of five changes to their primary list after the 2008 season, with Greg Tivendale, Chris Hyde, Danny Meyer and Travis Casserly also departing Punt Road.
Jarrod Silvester has been retained as a second-year rookie for season 2009.
Gourdis was selected with Richmond’s number one pick in the 2008 pre season draft, but failed to play a senior game for the Club.
Howat was recruited on the rookie list in 2005 and broke through for five senior games at the end of the 2006 season. He played 15 games and averaged 14 possessions in 2007 while Mark Coughlan recovered from a knee injury, and filled in for one game in 2008 while Trent Cotchin was on the long-term injury list. He played a total of 21 games for the Club.
Cartledge, picked by the Tigers in the 2007 pre season draft, was also promoted to the senior list for two games during the 2008 season after playing seven games previously for Essendon.
In other news from Tigerland, the Club added two new staff members to the football department in the strength and conditioning area this week.
Terry Condon is the Club’s new Conditioning and Rehabilitation Coach, replacing Warren Kofoed. For the past 12 months Condon has worked on a part time basis with Richmond, in addition to working with Coburg Football Club.
Brendan Farhner has also joined the Tigers as Sports Science Assistant, after completing a 12-month honours research project with Geelong Football Club.
New Richmond assistant coach Wayne Campbell also started work this week following two years as an assistant at the Western Bulldogs.
The Tigers will enter the 2008 AFL National Draft with selections 8, 26, 58 and 74.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=69484
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Tigers finalise playing list
richmondfc.com.au
4:18 PM Fri 31 October, 2008
Richmond has made the final changes to its playing list ahead of the 2008 National Draft.
David Gourdis has been delisted, while rookies Tristan Cartledge, Clayton Collard and Cameron Howat have not been retained on the Club’s rookie list.
The Tigers have made a total of five changes to their primary list after the 2008 season, with Greg Tivendale, Chris Hyde, Danny Meyer and Travis Casserly also departing Punt Road.
Jarrod Silvester has been retained as a second-year rookie for season 2009.
Gourdis was selected with Richmond’s number one pick in the 2008 pre season draft, but failed to play a senior game for the Club.
Howat was recruited on the rookie list in 2005 and broke through for five senior games at the end of the 2006 season. He played 15 games and averaged 14 possessions in 2007 while Mark Coughlan recovered from a knee injury, and filled in for one game in 2008 while Trent Cotchin was on the long-term injury list. He played a total of 21 games for the Club.
Cartledge, picked by the Tigers in the 2007 pre season draft, was also promoted to the senior list for two games during the 2008 season after playing seven games previously for Essendon.
The Tigers will enter the 2008 AFL National Draft with selections 8, 26, 58 and 74.
http://www.afl.com.au/AFL2008/News/Article/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=69484
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Good pick on Cartledge MT :clapping
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Seems as though birdies were right
Collard howat cartelage all gone sylvester stays as a mature rookie
This means we have 4 picks in ND and 3 + 2 = 5 rookie picks
9 new faces at punt road next year.
Believe Gourdis will be re-drafted as a rookie, if he lasts to our later rookie list picks.
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LOL
What more can you say. The sacking of Gourdis was unnecessary as was that of Danny Meyer but anyway what can you do. Its good to see those champions of the game like Pettifer & co. retained on the list, finals here we come :lol
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Just shows how wrong some Phantom Drafts are. Some had Gourdis going as high as pick 5.
I am also shocked that Silvester stays on. He seems too slow for AFL level.
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Unfortunate for the players (in this case Gourdis)
But I am glad we have 4 picks in the Nat Draft
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Unbelievable, why on earth would you give up on a kid like Gourdis so soon yet keep Pettifer?
He'd shown pretty good promise at Coburg and earnt his was into the Coburg Seniors, Putt only barely did more than him
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I'm gobsmacked by Silvester but don't be surprised to see Collard be re-rookied and Cartledge be drafted with our last pick (or in the PSD). I still have a feeling he will be our fallback if we don't get what we want from the draft.
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Ditto smokey on Silvester. Absolutely gobsmacked given we have 4 younger key defenders ahead of him. Are we just keeping him for Coburg's sake ???.
It seems the rumour that Collard came back to preseason training unfit must be true. A waste of natural footy talent sadly.
The other Petts rumour must be garbage though. The only explanation he is still around at 27 and with a ACL injury must be financial :-\.
Seems as though birdies were right
Collard howat cartelage all gone sylvester stays as a mature rookie
This means we have 4 picks in ND and 3 + 2 = 5 rookie picks
9 new faces at punt road next year.
Believe Gourdis will be re-drafted as a rookie, if he lasts to our later rookie list picks.
Well done blaisee. Good get :clapping.
For those shocked about Gourdis being delisted - unfortunately he was nowhere near the level some on the net claimed he was this time last year. As wayne said some people had Gourdis going even as high as around our pick 18 in the 2008 draft which gave a false impression to those who hadn't seen him play. Dave attracted recruiters attention because of his size and athleticism for his size but as a footballer he is a project player at best and it makes sense to put him on the rookie list if he's still around late in the rookie draft and we don't find anyone else better than him.
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Id rather we have kept players like Meyer and Gourdis and flung Pettifer & King and afew others. Anyway they made there decisions so theres nothing we can do.
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Meyer is, or rather was, a list clogger. As it was the club held him to long. Kudos to the club for having the guts to put a bullet in him.
Pettifer was never going to be delisted, it isn't considered "good form" to offload players in his type of injury situation. You only needed to look at the way Rory Hilton was handled to understand that pettifer was going nowhere. Same with Polak.
Silvester must be insurance for something.
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:banghead :banghead :banghead
Not sure what i am more angry about , Gourdis going or Sylvester staying...
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Id rather we have kept players like Meyer and Gourdis and flung Pettifer & King and afew others. Anyway they made there decisions so theres nothing we can do.
Both Petts (knee reco) and King (ankle reco) have long-term injuries. Perhaps that explains it. Other clubs could afford to offload them and pay for their rehab but it's financially cheaper for us to keep them :-\.
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Id rather we have kept players like Meyer and Gourdis and flung Pettifer & King and afew others. Anyway they made there decisions so theres nothing we can do.
Both Petts (knee reco) and King (ankle reco) have long-term injuries. Perhaps that explains it. Other clubs could afford to offload them and pay for their rehab but it's financially cheaper for us to keep them :-\.
Baffling decision we'd go in with basically two less players of quality on our list.
On the down side if we get a swag of injuries at the start of next year would King and Petts be ready to play and if not would we be able to promote a rookie to the senior list?
Why would you delist an 18 yo for the sake of keeping an injured 27 yo on the list. ::)
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Why would you delist an 18 yo for the sake of keeping an injured 27 yo on the list. ::)
id say it prob sizes up the opinion on Goo, unforunatley it's not a good sign for a player to spend the season locked into the thirds where he still didnt feature in the best often enough...i would have reasonably thought a likely type would be killing it at that level, similar to what collard did...that is the perplexing one
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I share all the confusion that most of you have expressed with these decisions.
Gourdis was always going to be a project player and we knew he would take time to develop the appropriate skills to match his extrordinary athletism and size. So why would you get rid of him after just one season??? We picked the kid up with our No 1 PSD pick so do we put this down to another wasted draft choice then?!
I just can't understand the decision especially with Silvester retained. I saw his efforts in the first 2008 pre-season game against the Saints and he was woeful. Too slow, not enough awareness and miles from even looking like he could compete at AFL level. With players like McGuane, Thursty, Moore, Schulz and Rance well ahead of him I think the decision is rediculous. Why would you keep him as insurance when we have so many ahead of him but delist Cartledge when we have so few ruck options?
With Petts and King unlikely to every see game time again the decision to keep them are equally perplexing.
Stripes
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Pettifer was never going to be delisted, it isn't considered "good form" to offload players in his type of injury situation. You only needed to look at the way Rory Hilton was handled to understand that pettifer was going nowhere. Same with Polak.
We couldn't afford to delist Hilton as we were broke, we have made million dollar profits for the last three years so money shouldn't be dictating our delistings any more. We need to retain youth to let them prove themselves, not get rid of them cause they were forced to play a position that they never did as a junior and then didn't adapt in one year, even if they earned a spot at a higher level before his first 12 months was up.
Ridiculous and really upsetting that the club is making such short term decisions. We are looking at a mass exodus of players next year. It's beginning to look like list management by Fraudley Mk II.
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Id rather we have kept players like Meyer and Gourdis and flung Pettifer & King and afew others. Anyway they made there decisions so theres nothing we can do.
Both Petts (knee reco) and King (ankle reco) have long-term injuries. Perhaps that explains it. Other clubs could afford to offload them and pay for their rehab but it's financially cheaper for us to keep them :-\.
Baffling decision we'd go in with basically two less players of quality on our list.
On the down side if we get a swag of injuries at the start of next year would King and Petts be ready to play and if not would we be able to promote a rookie to the senior list?
Why would you delist an 18 yo for the sake of keeping an injured 27 yo on the list. ::)
To me it's the RFC still being concerned about its finances or lack of which then affects list decisions :P. If Petts hadn't done his knee he would've been a good chance of being gone/traded as he was out of contract. Doing a knee is like any workplace injury so as his employer when the injury occurred the RFC pay the money towards his rehab (I think it's under the AFLPA CBA). So we might as well keep him on our list as we would be paying him anyway.
As for being 2 down on our list there's Polak as well so that's effectively 3 down although Kingy with an ankle may be okay to play by round 1. ACL's take around 12 months to get over so as Petts did his with a month of the season to go his 2009 will be effectively written off. The new rookie rules will mean we can designate one rookie who can be promoted to the senior list halfway through the year without needing someone to go onto the LTIL. Polak's situation will allow him to go onto the LTIL immediately so that's 2 free rookies. It still doesn't make sense to keep Silvester (a full back) even if was to fill in for Polak or Petts both forwards ???.
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Pettifer was never going to be delisted, it isn't considered "good form" to offload players in his type of injury situation. You only needed to look at the way Rory Hilton was handled to understand that pettifer was going nowhere. Same with Polak.
We couldn't afford to delist Hilton as we were broke, we have made million dollar profits for the last three years so money shouldn't be dictating our delistings any more. We need to retain youth to let them prove themselves, not get rid of them cause they were forced to play a position that they never did as a junior and then didn't adapt in one year, even if they earned a spot at a higher level before his first 12 months was up.
Ridiculous and really upsetting that the club is making such short term decisions. We are looking at a mass exodus of players next year. It's beginning to look like list management by Fraudley Mk II.
With 6 rookie spots Gourdis may still end up on our rookie list (we grabbed him in the PSD so no other club got him) but I agree we are shooting ourselves in the foot if list management decisions are being based and dictated by finances. It's the non-delistings that are more perplexing for me than the delistings :-\.
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what are Richmond doing?
Why Gourdis?
Why Collard?
i do not understand why Richmond are soft in not delisting players like Kayne Pettifer, yet delist Gourdis who has only been at Richmond for 1 year?
Collard i would of kept and the other three got rid of!
Gourdis is a TALL FORWARD RICHMOND! something we "buddy" need!
and i too agree that Danny Meyer should of been kept!
i sometimes ask myself if the Richmond coaching commitee actually watch the same matches Richmond play?
Kayne Pettifer was good in 2005 and 2006, but after that, got a massive big head, never runs, never tackles, never chases, no team 1 percenters, makes silly decisions! Kayne is a list clogger! Kayne playing 109 matches for Richmond just tells me how bad Richmond are! sorry Kayne fans! i hope he proves me wrong, yet i do not think so!
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Delistings based on output:
Tivs (ret.) 188 games in 11 years
Hyde 93 games in 8 years
Howat# 21 games in 3 years
Meyer 17 games in 4 years
Cartledge# 3 games in 1 year
Casserly 0 games in 3 years
Collard# 0 games in 1 year
Gourdis 0 games in 1 year
Only Tivs at 17 games per year averaged over half a season per year.
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With 6 rookie spots Gourdis may still end up on our rookie list (we grabbed him in the PSD so no other club got him) but I agree we are shooting ourselves in the foot if list management decisions are being based and dictated by finances. It's the non-delistings that are more perplexing for me than the delistings :-\.
I'm with you MT. I still think any of Collard, Gourdis and Cartledge are a chance to end up on our list (2 maybe as rookies). We have done it a few times in the past - Howat for one - so it wouldn't surprise to see any of these. And yes, the non-delistings are much more mystifying - Silvester - WHAT THE????
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Collard came back fat.
Gourdis had alleged mild depression problems so that might be a factor of the delisting, that he wanted to return to Perth . . .
And Cartledge is not an AFL Ruckman.
I'm fine with all 3 being delisted and Silvester was the best performed out of the 4 for Coburg this year imo.
I hope Collard (no committment) and Cartledge (Just a VFL ruckman) are gone for good.
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Collard came back fat.
Gourdis had alleged mild depression problems so that might be a factor of the delisting, that he wanted to return to Perth . . .
And Cartledge is not an AFL Ruckman.
I'm fine with all 3 being delisted and Silvester was the best performed out of the 4 for Coburg this year imo.
I hope Collard (no committment) and Cartledge (Just a VFL ruckman) are gone for good.
Yeah, I'm not disgareeing with any of that TA - it just wouldn't surprise me to see any of those 3 taken again. Silvester on the other hand, could have won the Liston for all it mattered but he will never, ever, ever be competitive on the AFL stage. The VFL is littered with champions at that level who wouldn't be capable of getting a kick in the AFL and Silvester is one of those. Cartledge could at least compete and has some 'insurance' value - Silvester has none.
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Collard came back fat.
Gourdis had alleged mild depression problems so that might be a factor of the delisting, that he wanted to return to Perth . . .
And Cartledge is not an AFL Ruckman.
I'm fine with all 3 being delisted and Silvester was the best performed out of the 4 for Coburg this year imo.
I hope Collard (no committment) and Cartledge (Just a VFL ruckman) are gone for good.
Yeah, I'm not disgareeing with any of that TA - it just wouldn't surprise me to see any of those 3 taken again. Silvester on the other hand, could have won the Liston for all it mattered but he will never, ever, ever be competitive on the AFL stage. The VFL is littered with champions at that level who wouldn't be capable of getting a kick in the AFL and Silvester is one of those. Cartledge could at least compete and has some 'insurance' value - Silvester has none.
Cartledge is only a good rookie, but now we cant even have him as that, I cant see him being of any value on the senior list being 23. I'd rather have a 19-20 year old with a chance developing on our list than a 23 year old who we know isnt going to make it. I'd rather continue the insurance at a rookie level with a Deluca than clog a senior list spot for a ruckman that will only play if there are injuries.
Interesting you completely write off Silvester's capacity to compete at AFL level. Why is that? Lack of pace? Lack of skill? I havent watched him much so I'm unaware.
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After the example of Moore and Whitey I don't think I am going to write off any kid again that is retained on our list
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Cartledge is only a good rookie, but now we cant even have him as that, I cant see him being of any value on the senior list being 23. I'd rather have a 19-20 year old with a chance developing on our list than a 23 year old who we know isnt going to make it. I'd rather continue the insurance at a rookie level with a Deluca than clog a senior list spot for a ruckman that will only play if there are injuries.
Interesting you completely write off Silvester's capacity to compete at AFL level. Why is that? Lack of pace? Lack of skill? I havent watched him much so I'm unaware.
Yep, DeLuca might be good insurance as a rookie, but we know what we will get with Cartledge and depending on the relative costs the club will need to do a risk assessment on potential vs known. The insurance only comes in to play in a 'now' sense - we shouldn't/won't need it in a couple of years time when our 'potential' ruckman have stepped up so taking DeLuca as insurance would be no different to having Graham or Putt now as insurance - it's all based on potential and the insurance value will probably amount to zero if you need it this year. And that's if we get to take DeLuca - wouldn't be the first time a club has jumped in and trumped another club's plans. I haven't got much of an opinion on which of these 2 would be the better options, just saying that it wouldn't surprise me to see Cartledge drafted.
Re: Silvester, I've seen him in a few Coburg games and he stands out (to me) as someone playing at the top level of his capacity. His one 'crack' at the title exposed him horribly as too slow in mind and body for the top level and that was only in the pre-season comp. Heaven help him in the real thing. Some players don't produce anything spectacular in the VFL level but when you watch them play you just 'know' they will cope with the step up. IMHO Silvester doesn't. As always, happy to be proven wrong but this decision just jumped out at me as hard to believe.
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Word out of South Fremantle is they are in talks with Collard to return to his old WAFL club.
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Word out of South Fremantle is they are in talks with Collard to return to his old WAFL club.
Not surprised there was always talk he badly wanted to go back to WA
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A caller on SEN just rang and said he was staggered that we kept JON and delisted Dean Polo!!
KB and Patrick just jabbered on about how JON is contracted and Polo didn't take his chances?!?! :lol
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A caller on SEN just rang and said he was staggered that we kept JON and delisted Dean Polo!!
KB and Patrick just jabbered on about how JON is contracted and Polo didn't take his chances?!?! :lol
LOL Doh
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Lol, oh dear. :sleep
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A caller on SEN just rang and said he was staggered that we kept JON and delisted Dean Polo!!
KB and Patrick just jabbered on about how JON is contracted and Polo didn't take his chances?!?! :lol
:lol
Smith and Denham - what a pair :stupid.
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Here's the rule that allowed Silvester to become a mature rookie.
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Players who have not yet made their AFL debut, but may previously have been on a senior or rookie list, will now be eligible to be listed as mature-age rookies. This will apply immediately for the 2008 NAB AFL Draft.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=7030.0
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I find it amazing that:-
1. We have delisted 3 players that were on our list for 12 months - Rookie or no rookie, to me that is like missing a goal from 10 metres out. With the sophistication available to our recruiters and coaching staff, this smacks of incompetence.
2. We are keeping Pettifer for financial reasons? What is going on down there? If you think about it, keeping a player who is injured on th list because it financially helps us - makes a joke of the system. Where is the sanctity of wearing a Tiger jumper cause you earnt it? FOr people who say it is "frowned upon" to de-list a player because he is injured. What about the morality of delisting a player in contract like Casserly. What about the morality of horse trading week? The only thing morally right is doing the right thing by the club to help it win flags (Ask Dick Pratt).
3. While I was initially a bit surprised about Meyer being flicked, I now agree with some of the posters on this thread. 4 years is enough. Silvester I know little about, I really hope it is not a bad as some posters are making out.
Coach is walking a fine line, hope he's across all of this.....
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1. We have delisted 3 players that were on our list for 12 months - Rookie or no rookie, to me that is like missing a goal from 10 metres out. With the sophistication available to our recruiters and coaching staff, this smacks of incompetence.
Gourdis could still end up on our rookie list so it's wait and see for another 6 weeks on his future. Carlton also dumped Pfeiffer after just one year and he was picked up with the next PSD pick after ours. Collard is the most disappointing one - heaps of skill but after two clubs have given him the flick after just one year he seemingly didn't have the workrate and fitness to make it. We used the rookie list poorly this year a well having too many "back-up" types. Still don't know why Howat got a 3rd year.
2. We are keeping Pettifer for financial reasons? What is going on down there? If you think about it, keeping a player who is injured on th list because it financially helps us - makes a joke of the system. Where is the sanctity of wearing a Tiger jumper cause you earnt it? FOr people who say it is "frowned upon" to de-list a player because he is injured. What about the morality of delisting a player in contract like Casserly. What about the morality of horse trading week? The only thing morally right is doing the right thing by the club to help it win flags (Ask Dick Pratt).
We don't know the full details of Cass' contract. For all we know he may have had a performance based clause in it for him get another year. I agree though that making list decisions based on conserving finances is something that has hampered us in the past and is only shooting ourselves in the foot. Essendon still flicked out of contract Courtney Johns despite his ACL injury. When you add Petts, Polly and possibly Kingy with his ankle we are effectively 2-3 players down already on our senior list (mind you we can elevate rookies if they are placed on the long-term injury list).
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It could be garbage but a Blues fan on BF is claiming Gourdis has been invited to train with Carlton.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12984249&postcount=3
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With their defence they would probably take any cheap defender they can get.
They are probably sounding out Lance to come out of retirement.
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My dead grandmothers budgie has been invited to train with Carlton. :lol
Will be interesting to see if Carlton comes good with all these club discards, malcontents and high priced poachings on their list.
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My dead grandmothers budgie has been invited to train with Carlton. :lol
If the budgies dead it will be stiff and we all know that isn't a requirement of the Carlton defence
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If it's true, so much for him being depressed and wanting to go back to WA
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Playing defence for Carlton, now that would be depressing
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Yep, DeLuca might be good insurance as a rookie, but we know what we will get with Cartledge and depending on the relative costs the club will need to do a risk assessment on potential vs known. The insurance only comes in to play in a 'now' sense - we shouldn't/won't need it in a couple of years time when our 'potential' ruckman have stepped up so taking DeLuca as insurance would be no different to having Graham or Putt now as insurance - it's all based on potential and the insurance value will probably amount to zero if you need it this year. And that's if we get to take DeLuca - wouldn't be the first time a club has jumped in and trumped another club's plans. I haven't got much of an opinion on which of these 2 would be the better options, just saying that it wouldn't surprise me to see Cartledge drafted.
Im a little confused here (I know nothing new there), Havent people been saying for months we need an over 200cm ruckman. Deluca meets that requirement and has AFL experience with not bad stats averaging just 2.5 less hit outs less than Simmonds for limitted game time, from what i hear from friends in Adelaide he is a good ruckman but that is one of Ports strong areas and he had trouble breaking into the team full time. Cartledge was handy in the few games he played but is under 200 and (I could be wrong here) not mobile enough around the ground. So taking all that into consideration IMHO Deluca will be a better option also allowing Simmonds to rest more up forward during the game.
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Im a little confused here (I know nothing new there), Havent people been saying for months we need an over 200cm ruckman. Deluca meets that requirement and has AFL experience with not bad stats averaging just 2.5 less hit outs less than Simmonds for limitted game time, from what i hear from friends in Adelaide he is a good ruckman but that is one of Ports strong areas and he had trouble breaking into the team full time. Cartledge was handy in the few games he played but is under 200 and (I could be wrong here) not mobile enough around the ground. So taking all that into consideration IMHO Deluca will be a better option also allowing Simmonds to rest more up forward during the game.
I think people have been saying we need to be more competitive in the second string ruck. Regardless of 4cm extra height, DeLuca's stats are no more effective in real terms - yep, averages a few more hitouts, averages less kicks, marks, handballs and tackles than an older player (who has less senior experience). Remember our Knobel days - hitouts for hitout's sake are useless unless they go your way at least near 50/50. Nothing in DeLuca's stats suggest to me he will be any improvement on Cartledge and you have to question how 'mobile' he is when he averages very few possessions. Cartledge has already bonded with the players and appeared very comfortable in their presence in his couple of games at the end of last season. Upgrading to a different version of the same model carries some risk with little apparent likelihood of significant improvement. I just don't see the point in taking DeLuca when we already have Cartledge. Justin Westhoff started with Port 12 months later and has gone past him easily, he can't push Troy Chaplin (196cm) and Toby Thurstans (195cm) out as the 3rd string ruckman so I just can't see much upside to him frankly.
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The current playing list has been updated on the RFC site.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Players/tabid/7689/default.aspx
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The current playing list has been updated on the RFC site.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Players/tabid/7689/default.aspx
And AFL website reports that Gourdis is training with Richmond.
Richmond: Adam Cockshell (Port Adelaide), Fabian Deluca (Port Adelaide), David Gourdis (Richmond), Matt Davis (Coburg), Nick Liddle (Coburg), Jon Morris (Coburg), Fortunato Caruso (Coburg), Connor Meredith (County Laois, Ireland), Niall McKeever (County Antrim, Ireland), Tristan Cartledge (Richmond)
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Old news for some but I had it confirmed today that Collard came back from the break to our first preseason training session 10kgs overweight and looking like a blimp according to a friend who was watching. Clayton was apparently cut then and then as he wasn't at our next training session. Allegedly he was also homesick.
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I heard from a reliable source that he was very homesick at the end of the season.
At least he wasn't starving himself over it.
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I heard from a reliable source that he was very homesick at the end of the season.
At least he wasn't starving himself over it.
:ROTFL
U bad person
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At least he wasn't starving himself over it.
;D
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It may have been an oversight but Gourdis' name has been left off the list of departures in the Annual Report that arrived in the mail today. Mind you Collard is not on the list either so they must have included only those who played a senior game.
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Trav Casserly didn't play a senior game and gets a mention. :-\
Must be an oversight.
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Trav Casserly didn't play a senior game and gets a mention. :-\
Must be an oversight.
You're right FF. Oh well they clearly left a memorable impression on the club :-\ ???.
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Perhaps because Collard was a rookie and never played a game he doesn't get a mention
Casserly was on the senior list so he gets a mention
Gourdis doesn't get one because he's not leaving
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Gourdis doesn't get one because he's not leaving
They've kept his old #33 guernsey free if that's true. It also depends on another club not jumping in and grabbing him first in the rookie draft.
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Gourdis has nominated for the PSD.
Surely we won't pick him up back onto the senior list after having delisted him ???.
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Gourdis has nominated for the PSD.
Surely we won't pick him up back onto the senior list after having delisted him ???.
Haha...would be the only player in history to be picked up in consecutive PSDs I would expect.
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Wouldn't surprise me if we picked Gourdis back up, it would depend on the talent left over and how bad we want to ensure we get the first one on our list. Would also depend on if Gourdis is considered better than any of the kids we have training with us.
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Wouldn't surprise me if we picked Gourdis back up, it would depend on the talent left over and how bad we want to ensure we get the first one on our list. Would also depend on if Gourdis is considered better than any of the kids we have training with us.
Seems to me 'a hell of a way to make a wake-up call'
:santa
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I thought that Gourdis was the shoe in out of the names mentioned.
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Work is Freo are going to take him with pick 3 in the Rookie Draft so we have asked him to nominate for the PSD to re draft him. Reckon he's a better player than Klemke from what Ive seen and we need his height on the list. Hopefully we can get Klemke with pick 8 in the rookie draft if we want him. Would rather Rockliff however ???
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Wouldn't surprise me if we picked Gourdis back up, it would depend on the talent left over and how bad we want to ensure we get the first one on our list. Would also depend on if Gourdis is considered better than any of the kids we have training with us.
Seems to me 'a hell of a way to make a wake-up call'
:santa
Don't think it was a wake up call, merely a way to move a senior player onto the rookie list and selecting a player clubs would overlook
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I think we wanted to pick up Gourdis last year as a rookie but we thought another club might grab him in the PSD so we took him at pick 1. Seems history is about to repeat of we think Freo will grab at pick 3 of the rookie draft. He really is a long-term project player and should be a rookie instead of on our senior list. His kicking is a long way off AFL standard. If we bypass Klemke in the PSD then we clearly don't rate him as there's no way we'll get Kade in the rookie draft with the Swans' concessions giving them first dibs at NSW kids.
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Cartledge has gone back to North Ballarat.
Source: VFL site (http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0&sID=60264&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=7836855§ionID=60264)