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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: froars on September 12, 2004, 01:05:24 AM
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Watching the American remembrance ceremonies and all they're talking about is money, capitalism, markets etc.
They can't even remember such an outrageous event without talking about bloody money ::)
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A mate of mine who now just moved to LA from Chicago visited New York about a month ago on holidays. He sent a pic of "ground zero" as it is now. Just a bloody big square area/hole of nothing. It was also interesting that a nearby building was still being repaired.
I remember quite well where I was on 9/11 because I had to fly back home from Germany only 2 weeks after it happened. I actually like flying but I must admit I was glad when the plane touched the ground at Tullamarine.
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I haven't flown since - don't know what that tells you. Hated flying anyway, so now i've got an excuse lol.
The debate over there is whether it should be redeveloped or leave it as a memorial - leave it as it is i reckon.
The first i knew about it was when i woke up the following morning - glad i didn't hear about it earlier as i would have been up all night, such was the horror of it all. And working in the media, we have televisions everywhere - so the following day couldn't escape it even though i wanted to.
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It was mid-afternoon in Munich and I was passing through the main railway station which had a huge tv screen when I first noticed a unusually large crowd watching it. They had the CNN coverage on but had the english turned down and German over the top of it and the scrolling news underneath so I didn't know at first what was happening as all I could see was one tower on fire (which was shocking enough). A bit of english flashed on the screen that wasn't covered over and it said a plane had crashed into one of twin towers. Still I thought it was a terrible accident although I wondered why a jumbo would be doing anywhere near the Manhattan skyline when the second plane hit. You then knew it wasn't an accident. It then became all surreal watching it unfold live in disbelief.
I remember ringing my girlfriend at that time back in Melbourne later that evening and talking about how she had visited the WTC a year earlier on Sept 11 when she went on a holiday to NY.
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Speaking of flying and not so much 9/11, recently I had to fly down to Melbourne and for the first time felt a stab of unease as I first sat in the plane as it was the first time I had flown since a very good friend of mine died early this year in a plane crash. The feeling went but returned when we were just about to touch down in Melbourne only to suddenly soar back in the air again. I didn't want to become a newspaper headline.
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WTF bents?
sifting through old threads like rat in a skip bin
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:lol
no issue, just a bit bewildered.
are you ripped or just incredibly bored?
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LMFAO
I saw this thread and thought here we go someone is bringing up the illumanati again
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In order to accept the official version of events of 9/11, there a number of anomalies you would have to accept as mere "coincidence."
From: http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html
"That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.
That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.
That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.
That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.
The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.
That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.
That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.
That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.
That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.
That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.
That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.
That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.
That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.
That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.
That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.
That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.
That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.
That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.
That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.
The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.
That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.
That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.
It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.
That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.
Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.
That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.
That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.
That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.
That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. The fact that Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly approach.
Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.
That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.
That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.
That the fact that none of the in total 4, bright orange, incredibly conspicuous flight data recorders from Flight 11 and United 175 that hit the WTC were recovered, even though everything from tiny bone fragments from victims and a hijacker's passport in perfect condition were, and the ones from Flight 77 and Flight 93 that were recovered have not been made available to the public, just demostrates that there's a first for everything.
That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.
That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.
That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.
That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.
That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.
That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.
That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.
To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.
Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.
That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.
That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.
That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.
Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.
That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.
That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.
That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.
That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.
That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.
That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her."
See? There are no conspiracies
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My hats off to whoever reads that post
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My hats off to whoever reads that post
In summary, if it was not an inside job. Its a quite remarkable sequence of coincidence
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Lee gained national attention in 2001 as the only member of congress to vote "No" on the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), stating that she voted no not because she opposed military action but because she believed the AUMF, as written, granted overly-broad powers to wage war to the president at a time when the facts regarding the situation were not yet clear. She "warned her colleagues to be 'careful not to embark on an open-ended war with neither an exit strategy nor a focused target.'"[10] Lee explained, "It was a blank check to the president to attack anyone involved in the September 11 events—anywhere, in any country, without regard to our nation's long-term foreign policy, economic and national security interests, and without time limit. In granting these overly broad powers, the Congress failed its responsibility to understand the dimensions of its declaration.... The president has the constitutional authority to protect the nation from further attack, and he has mobilized the armed forces to do just that. The Congress should have waited for the facts to be presented and then acted with fuller knowledge of the consequences of our action."
:bow
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee?id=1#Political_career
(http://barbaraleeforcongress.org/sites/default/files/images/photo-accomplishments-2.jpg)
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http://mrconservative.com/2014/05/41412-putin-planning-to-release-evidence-exposing-911-as-an-inside-job/
http://tellmenow.com/2014/05/putin-planning-to-release-evidence-exposing-911-as-an-inside-job/
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War never has an exit strategy. They usually just wing it based on the state of play at the point where they lose interest.
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It surely was The Crime of The Century....
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/conspiracy_1979_supertramp_album_cover_reveals_freemasons_pre-knew_about_9_
:shh
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The Crime of The Century = bankers buying off the fed reserve in 1913
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War never has an exit strategy. They usually just wing it based on the state of play at the point where they lose interest.
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/05/22/saudi-press-u-s-blew-up-world-trade-center-to-create-war-on-terror/
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Seen the viral video yet tin man?
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Watching the American remembrance ceremonies and all they're talking about is money, capitalism, markets etc.
They can't even remember such an outrageous event without talking about bloody money ::)
In the immediate aftermath of the event, George Bush's directive to his country was to implore his citizens too....
Keep consuming. Yep, that was the MOST important thing for Americans to do.
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Seen the viral video yet tin man?
Na comrade
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http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/declasspart4.pdf
So it was the Saudis.... But there's some good reality TV tonight
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However, Russian political website Pravda reported Putin is on the verge of releasing “authoritative evidence” which proves “beyond any doubt” that the White House was directly involved.
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Where are the tin foil hat comments?
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Where are the tin foil hat comments?
http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf
the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition.”
:shh
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Where are the tin foil hat comments?
http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf
the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition.”
:shh
Before the article even starts, they had to put a note from the editors
"This feature is somewhat different from our usual purely scientific articles, in that it contains some speculation. "
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Coincidence theory.
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Two peer reviewed papers published in the Challenge Journal of Structural Mechanics - Canadian Civil Engineering Researchers Disprove Official Explanation of WTC 7’s Destruction
Two peer reviewed published papers, published in the Challenge Journal of Structural Mechanics the first one in July 2015, the second in February 2016.
Paper one Performance-based fire protection of office buildings: A case study based on the collapse of WTC 7
http://www.challengejournal.com/index.php/cjsmec/article/view/36/19
Paper Two The collapse of WTC 7: A re-examination of the “simple analysis” approach
http://www.challengejournal.com/index.php/cjsmec/article/view/50/41
Canadian Civil Engineering Researchers Disprove Official Explanation of WTC 7’s Destruction
Noting the many shortcomings in Bažant's analysis, which have been studied and criticized extensively since 2001, Korol and his colleagues set out to apply a much more rigorous methodology for analyzing WTC 7, which, according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), collapsed from normal office fires.
Korol and his colleagues set out to apply a much more rigorous methodology for analyzing WTC 7.
Dr. Robert Korol, professor emeritus of civil engineering at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, and a fellow of the Canadian Society for Civil Engineering, has led a team of academic researchers in preparing two peer-reviewed scientific papers on the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7. Both papers were published in the Challenge Journal of Structural Mechanics — the first one in July 2015, the second in February 2016.
Prior to publishing these papers, the team of researchers carefully reviewed the work of Zdeněk Bažant, a professor of Civil Engineering and Materials Science at Northwestern University, who had published a paper shortly after 9/11 focusing on the collapses of WTC 1 and 2. Entitled “Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis,” Bažant’s paper presented “a simplified approximate analysis of the overall collapse of the towers of World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001.”
Noting the many shortcomings in Bažant's analysis, which have been studied and criticized extensively since 2001, Korol and his colleagues set out to apply a much more rigorous methodology for analyzing WTC 7, which, according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), collapsed from normal office fires. As Korol explains, “WTC 7 is a particularly useful example, because there isn't the concern about trying to predict the amount of heat generated by spewing jet fuel and having it ignited within a building. It's the materials within the building that generate the heat release.”
The greater certainty about the material properties involved would allow the team to evaluate whether WTC 7 could have collapsed as a result of burning materials being ejected from WTC 1 and igniting fires on the 12th and 13th floors. The team’s analysis eventually led them to conclude that even with very high estimates for the amount of combustible materials present in office buildings — using the maximum amounts allowed in the building codes — and making many other generous assumptions, such as having two floors “totally ablaze with raging inferno fires,” WTC 7 still would not collapse.
NIST could not have been correct in claiming that such a failure mechanism could have resulted in the collapse.
Korol’s July 2015 paper, “Performance-based fire protection of office buildings: A case study based on the collapse of WTC 7,” used accepted equations associated with thermodynamics and heat transfer to determine how much heat could be generated from office fires. Studying the type of fire that would occur in a typical office arrangement with cubicle partitions, he and his fellow researchers derived the temperature that would have been reached based on the heat release rate of combustible materials identified by NIST and others.
Given that high burn rates do not generally last longer than about 30 minutes and that fires in office buildings do not occur over entire floors simultaneously, Korol says that the assumption of having the entire area of the 12th and 13th floors ablaze was “a ridiculously conservative estimate for the purposes of determining the consequences to the building.” Even then, the researchers showed the temperatures to be insufficient to push a girder off its seat near Column 79, thus disproving NIST’s claim that such a failure mechanism initiated the collapse of the building.
In the subsequent February 2016 paper, “The collapse of WTC 7: A re-examination of the “simple analysis” approach,” Korol considered the “virtually impossible circumstance” that the building experienced an inferno on two adjacent stories simultaneously. Noting that collapses do not occur instantaneously, Korol explains that even if two-thirds of the columns in a building are somehow “wiped out by virtue of the high heat, then the remaining one-third would still be sufficient to prevent collapse.”
According to Korol, Bažant assumed that any possible collapse would only be localized in the form of a plastic hinge; however, Korol’s team went further in terms of assessing the capacity of the columns. “Whereas Bažant assumed that there was only bending energy, we say these columns were resisting load axially — and Bažant ignored that.”
Robert Korol 2Dr. Korol has done extensive research on the axial loading properties of steel columns and beams. He appeared in the documentary “9/11 in the Academic Community,” and is seen here in his laboratory in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Korol’s team painstakingly analyzed what would happen if WTC 7 experienced fire-induced failures of more than two-thirds of the columns on both floors 12 and 13. The researchers performed lab tests to determine the amount of resistance for the upper block of WTC 7 to come down to the floor level of story 13. Assuming that the floor slabs of floors 12 and 13 were so hot that the concrete was pulverized without any applied load (an unrealistically generous assumption), the only energy associated with the structure in those two stories would have been that of the 26 columns that had not yet failed. Accounting for the remaining amount of resistance in the building, Korol et al. found that while the 11th story would collapse, there was still enough remaining energy in the building that the structure would not fail below that point.
Korol and his colleagues also undertook tests at McMaster University with regard to pulverization of concrete that is typically specified for floors incorporating ductile steel to restrain lateral motion. He explains, “Crushing is not an effective way of transforming brittle material into pulverized material. When you combine that with the 82 columns, there is no way the building is going to come down.”
Dr. Korol and his team are not yet done with their work. They are now conducting a study of the potential for fire-induced collapse of steel-framed office buildings in general, using a 50-story building as an example. The study will examine eight different fire scenarios, four of which will consider 4 adjacent stories experiencing raging fires as might be conceived from airplane strikes at various height locations. This work builds on the research described in the two papers discussed here — and none of the scenarios being studied has resulted in a complete building collapse.
The question that remains to be answered is whether Korol’s peers in their engineering community will begin to pay attention — or if they will, instead, continue to accept on blind faith NIST’s fantastical explanation for the destruction of WTC 7. - by Mike Bondi, P.Eng.
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Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
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Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
Yes and no.
A bit of skepticism is a healthy thing. Doesnt make you some bat-sh1tt crazy, faaaaaar left keyboard loser.
False flags. Google this term and youll find scores of acts of violence undertaken which have been since admitted to as being manufactured by senior governments officials and the like.
As an example, its generally accepted as a fact these days that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured to get the US into the Vietnam war. How many people died?
What do people believe as part of the children overboard fiasco?
False flags are a real possibility in our world.
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Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
Yes and no.
A bit of skepticism is a healthy thing. Doesnt make you some bat-poot crazy, faaaaaar left keyboard loser.
False flags. Google this term and youll find scores of acts of violence undertaken which have been since admitted to as being manufactured by senior governments officials and the like.
As an example, its generally accepted as a fact these days that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured to get the US into the Vietnam war. How many people died?
What do people believe as part of the children overboard fiasco?
False flags are a real possibility in our world.
Re Ho Chi min
Dan Elsberg, Dooks.
Seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34Wu2zDfcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34Wu2zDfcY)
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Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
Yes and no.
A bit of skepticism is a healthy thing. Doesnt make you some bat-poot crazy, faaaaaar left keyboard loser.
False flags. Google this term and youll find scores of acts of violence undertaken which have been since admitted to as being manufactured by senior governments officials and the like.
As an example, its generally accepted as a fact these days that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured to get the US into the Vietnam war. How many people died?
What do people believe as part of the children overboard fiasco?
False flags are a real possibility in our world.
Re Ho Chi min
Dan Elsberg, Dooks.
Seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34Wu2zDfcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34Wu2zDfcY)
Aye
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Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
Yes and no.
A bit of skepticism is a healthy thing. Doesnt make you some bat-poot crazy, faaaaaar left keyboard loser.
False flags. Google this term and youll find scores of acts of violence undertaken which have been since admitted to as being manufactured by senior governments officials and the like.
As an example, its generally accepted as a fact these days that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured to get the US into the Vietnam war. How many people died?
What do people believe as part of the children overboard fiasco?
False flags are a real possibility in our world.
You suggesting the US have staged attacks to go to war or invade other countries to take over oil fields or gain something else? Preposterous. Bush and Cheney liberated the Iraqis.
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anyone remember that show "Rescue 911" hosted by William Shatner? Always thought it was funny how they had a reminder at the end of the show telling Australian viewers not to dial 911 and that the emergency number here is 000....
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anyone remember that show "Rescue 911" hosted by William Shatner? Always thought it was funny how they had a reminder at the end of the show telling Australian viewers not to dial 911 and that the emergency number here is 000....
:lol
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Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
:lol
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Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
Yes and no.
A bit of skepticism is a healthy thing. Doesnt make you some bat-poot crazy, faaaaaar left keyboard loser.
False flags. Google this term and youll find scores of acts of violence undertaken which have been since admitted to as being manufactured by senior governments officials and the like.
As an example, its generally accepted as a fact these days that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured to get the US into the Vietnam war. How many people died?
What do people believe as part of the children overboard fiasco?
False flags are a real possibility in our world.
You suggesting the US have staged attacks to go to war or invade other countries to take over oil fields or gain something else? Preposterous. Bush and Cheney liberated the Iraqis.
Pull your socks up dooks. Unaustralian comment that
We were also nice enough to liberate te afgan poppy fields from te terrible mujaheddin
(http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/US-troops-opium-field-Afghanistan.jpg)
Fancy having te gaul to not sell herion cause it's apparently unislamic ... Well I never
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan
I expect us to win these wars on drugs and terror any day now
Why can't these crackpots understand and accept that it's very possible for buildings to collapse like a deck of cards. It happens all the time around the world.
Even ones which plane don't fly into - like Giuliani's emergency command bunker / wtc7
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Very un Australian by dooks to suggest these things. Poppy fields all over afganistan are rejoicing as we speak.
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Herion addicts in melbourne London New York too :cheers
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Lol
So now we went into Afghanistan so we can make Heroin LOL. Are you the bloke they based Mel Gibson's character on?
Jerry "Stalin" Fletcher
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Lol
So now we went into Afghanistan so we can make Heroin LOL. Are you the bloke they based Mel Gibson's character on?
Jerry "Stalin" Fletcher
God makes it. 90% smack comes from there (fact). Lots of herion on te streets. Drought, when the Taliban where in charge. Just another conicidence.
Chances are it was due to Lithium rescources however. Then again people wouldn't fight over resources would they?
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anyone remember that show "Rescue 911" hosted by William Shatner? Always thought it was funny how they had a reminder at the end of the show telling Australian viewers not to dial 911 and that the emergency number here is 000....
911 gets you through to emergency in australia :shh
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anyone remember that show "Rescue 911" hosted by William Shatner? Always thought it was funny how they had a reminder at the end of the show telling Australian viewers not to dial 911 and that the emergency number here is 000....
911 gets you through to emergency in australia :shh
Also that its 11 9 over here 😊
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Lol
So now we went into Afghanistan so we can make Heroin LOL. Are you the bloke they based Mel Gibson's character on?
Jerry "Stalin" Fletcher
God makes it. 90% smack comes from there (fact). Lots of herion on te streets. Drought, when the Taliban where in charge. Just another conicidence.
Chances are it was due to Lithium rescources however. Then again people wouldn't fight over resources would they?
They might produce 90% of illicit opium. Would be just as much coming out of Tasmania that is used to make half of the worlds legal opiates.
But I don't see people declaring war on Tassie.
Funny that.
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Lol
So now we went into Afghanistan so we can make Heroin LOL. Are you the bloke they based Mel Gibson's character on?
Jerry "Stalin" Fletcher
God makes it. 90% smack comes from there (fact). Lots of herion on te streets. Drought, when the Taliban where in charge. Just another conicidence.
Chances are it was due to Lithium rescources however. Then again people wouldn't fight over resources would they?
They might produce 90% of illicit opium. Would be just as much coming out of Tasmania that is used to make half of the worlds legal opiates.
But I don't see people declaring war on Tassie.
Funny that.
Tasmanian contain very little morphine, the good Shyte has us army personal guarding it.
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Cause Tasmanian poppy fields specifically bred that way. For the legal drug industry but that another kettle of fish
Sort of like how Paris girl on handbag dog is not really a wolf
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There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.
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The Crime of The Century = bankers buying off the fed reserve in 1913
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TRump:
“I think the Fed is being totally controlled,” Trump said in response to a question about interest rates. “They’re not raising rates. And they’re being controlled politically.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/15/donald-trump-the-federal-reserve-is-rigged.html
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For you Bents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZUL0LCQFhQ
Disclaimer: RT news is a propaganda machine for the Putin lead Kremlin party of Russia