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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on October 21, 2004, 02:17:17 AM
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As posted on Big Footy link1 (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139480) and link2 (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139494) apparently it was mentioned at the Club 80 meeting last night that Weller and Fleming have been let go and Moore has been promoted. Plus we're supposedly going to use our second PSD pick to pick up a ruckman (I hope not McKee :scream). However I can't find any mention of it on the online papers.
Did anyone from here go last night and can confirm/correct this?
There's also mention of Ty entering the PSD but why would we want pay out his contract if we're trying to save money ???.
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Is it possible for the player to forgo payment and in effect quit?
Looks like the news (as I've seen 2nd hand) includes:
*Weller and Flemming delisted (Weller has the desire and commitment but not the talent according to Wallace). I guess the same can be said about Flemming.
*Zantuck's contract will be terminated and he will enter the PSD. He has lost the respect of the senior list and is simply not wanted there
*Moore is to be elevated to the senior list
*Krakouer is not fit enough for the midfield and will play forward
*Chaffey will play as a tagger next year
*Pat Bowden is one of three players the Tigers are looking at in the PSD
*We will draft a developing ruckman and a recycled ruckman in the National draft
*Mark Graham is a possibility to be picked up (for experience) :banghead
*Terry Wallace said our players looked more like tennis players than footballers in his initial training sessions
*Apparently our conditioning staff have been labelled as poor and may be replaced
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Weller was too slow for AFL footy. This was glaringly obvious the first step I saw him take on the field. Don't know why we bothered picking him up.
Would have let go of the likes of Morrison and Hilton before Fleming, but he didn't have the skill for AFL and whether it was this year or the next his fate was sealed.
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Devastated for Timmy :'(
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Did anyone from here go last night and can confirm/correct this?
What a surprise .... but yes I was there.
It finished very late and by the time I got home ....
Was going to post this morning...
Can confirm Fleming & Weller have been de-listed
Is it possible for the player to forgo payment and in effect quit?
A great topic of discussion last night Fwoy. You would think that if both parties agree and reach some sort of agreement that's allowed unde the AFL CBA then yes it would be OK.
Looks like the news (as I've seen 2nd hand) includes:
*Weller and Flemming delisted (Weller has the desire and commitment but not the talent according to Wallace). I guess the same can be said about Flemming.
*Zantuck's contract will be terminated and he will enter the PSD. He has lost the respect of the senior list and is simply not wanted there
*Moore is to be elevated to the senior list
*Krakouer is not fit enough for the midfield and will play forward
*Chaffey will play as a tagger next year
*Pat Bowden is one of three players the Tigers are looking at in the PSD
*We will draft a developing ruckman and a recycled ruckman in the National draft
*Mark Graham is a possibility to be picked up (for experience) :banghead
*Terry Wallace said our players looked more like tennis players than footballers in his initial training sessions
*Apparently our conditioning staff have been labelled as poor and may be replaced
Pretty accrurate summary there Fwoy.
The only one I disagree with is your comments on Weller. When Tezza was speaking to all of us he said all the things you have said about Fleming not Weller. He didn't mention Weller at all. I have to say when he explained the reasoning it makes sense. Kudos for the man for making the tough decisions :thumbsup
Also, up on stage Tezza didn't speak about Hilton nor did he mention Mark Graham. What he said was we needed an experienced person for down back to fill hole for 12-18 months and that he would be targetting one in the draft. I must say when I heard this the first person I thought of was Mark Graham.
He also lumped Nathan Brown in with Krakouer regarding the mid-field. He said that neither of them "gut run" so they cannot sustain being inthe mid-field.
It was funny when he mentioned about the players legs - he said they have no thighs - legs like tennis players.
The first group of players are due back to training today - players with 0-4 years experience
Also said we will be doing alot of skilled based training as well as what he termed "power training"
That's it for now - until I think of anything else.
:thumbsup
PS: Listening to Tezza you can't help but hopeful and excited about the future :bow :cheers
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Oh yeah.......
Greg Miller and Steven Wright spoke as well.
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Shame about Fleming. I liked his determination and guts. I guess though, he is too old to be taught new tricks.
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Finally we have a coach with some idea and the balls to do whats required. Delisting Fleming and Weller was a no brainer but someone like Frawley would have held onto them.
Zantuck will be a loss but on the bright side we can use an extra pick. Apparently we will definately use picks 1,4,12,16,20 and 36 on juniors and pick 52 on a recycled player possibly a ruckman. We will also use picks 1 and possibly 2 in the PSD.
Chaffey as a tagger is an interesting one. At least his turnovers won't be costly.
Agree regarding Brown and Kraks lack fitness for the midfield. Forward line will be good for them both.
But the best thing said IMO was the physical appearence of our players. We look like cat walk models compared to the Brisbanes and Ports of this world. Hopefully Terry will get new development coaches into the place and we get some muscle into the boys.
Terry's making all the right noises so far.
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Tough on Fleming as he gave his all but the reality was he would be always on borrowed time due to his poor skills. Not surprised Weller is gone. Congrats to Terry on calling the tough decision. If Ty leaves as well and with Moore promoted that will leave us with 29 players giving us 9 picks -1,4,12,16,20,36,52,(68) + 1(2) PSD picks. I'm happy we won't be passing on our valuable picks 36 and 52 :).
Please not Graham, McKee or Ackland. All are not up to it. Graham is too old and can't kick. McKee was ordinary in any case but has been nobbled by the current ruck rules that were introduced 2 years ago. Ackland struggled at SANFL level with Port Magpies. I hope we don't pass on a kid in the National draft to waste a spot on our senior list picking up one of these guys with a second PSD pick :help.
What a surprise .... but yes I was there.
:thumbsup :cheers
Is it possible for the player to forgo payment and in effect quit?
A great topic of discussion last night Fwoy. You would think that if both parties agree and reach some sort of agreement that's allowed unde the AFL CBA then yes it would be OK.
Although I have no qualms with Ty leaving, it's disappointing he'll walk and we won't receive anything in return apart from saving some dough in regards to our TPP. Sheeds was a cunning bugger trying to use the situation to score Zantuck cheaply at the last minute of trade week.
Also said we will be doing alot of skilled based training as well as what he termed "power training"
PS: Listening to Tezza you can't help but hopeful and excited about the future :bow :cheers
Agree WP. Good to hear Terry realising our fitness, conditioning as well as our skills have not been up to AFL standard. Hopefully we will no longer be playing our blokes while injured (like we did with Cogs) either.
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about time !!!!
one cant help start getting excited that it seems Terry is cracking the whip where it needed it the most !
I'd happily help Terry out in his new conditioning staff, after 20 years of frustration, I'd be glad to take it all out on the players.
:lol
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I'd happily help Terry out in his new conditioning staff, after 20 years of frustration, I'd be glad to take it all out on the players.
:lol
Happy to have you on board the conditioning staff PRR. :thumbsup Just remember that we need to field a team in a few months time though. So you might need to take it one year of frustration at a time. ;D
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Mate you should see the size of me when I heard this........No bird could ever get me this riled up!!!!!
TW............... :bow :bow :bow :bow
People talk about having a shocking season next year....we have already improved enough that I will be satisfied wherever we finish!
Im absolutely stoked......Unfortunately in this game, if your useless, your useless you cant make up for it by trying hard...you need some talent and when you got none....pack up and go and play for Danny!
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Cheers for the clear up WP. I just summarised what I had read last night. :thumbsup :cheers
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LMAOOOO@hOW MUCH more stupid Frwley will look was TW's regime kicks in.
LMAOOO2@Kraks in the mid field.
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Oh yeah.....
Greg Miller was asked about Nathan Foley - what are we going to do - promote or keep as a rookie?
GM said a decision had not been made but the Club was very pleased with his improvement during the years - especially the 2nd half of the season (I agree with that).
GM also spoke very very highly of Troy Simmonds.
Tezza, GM and Paul Armstrong flew over to Perth (unlike another club who only emailed their interest ::) ;)) the Saturday before Trade week and spent alot of time with Simmonds putting forward the Tiger case. When they flew back Simmonds had committed to the Tigers, then Freo changed their offer (term & $$) but Troy stayed true to his word and committed to the Club.
Good start for the bloke I reckon :thumbsup
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Tigers cut Weller, Fleming
3:15:57 PM Thu 21 October, 2004
Sportal
The Tigers have cut utilities Tim Fleming and Luke Weller from the club's senior list.
The pair have been informed that their contracts will not be renewed as part of the revision of Richmond's playing list for 2005.
In a prepared statement, the club thanked Fleming and Weller for the contribution they made during their time at Tigerland and wished them the very best for the future.
Picked up as a mature-age recruit, Fleming made his debut in round three 2003 at 25 and managed 17 straight games before a three week suspension ended his season prematurely.
Fleming, who developed a reputation for his hard-at-it approach, played a further 17 matches in 2004.
Weller played seven matches for the Tigers in 2004 after being picked up as the Tigers' second selection at the 2003 pre-season draft.
The Tigers have now delisted a total of eight players from the 2004 list - Justin Blumfield, Simon Fletcher, Adam Houlihan, Ben Marsh, Bill Nicholls and rookie Marc Dragicevic are the others.
Brad Ottens and Aaron Fiora were traded while Matthew Rogers and Duncan Kellaway have retired.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=175732
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Oh yeah.....
Greg Miller was asked about Nathan Foley - what are we going to do - promote or keep as a rookie?
GM said a decision had not been made but the Club was very pleased with his improvement during the years - especially the 2nd half of the season (I agree with that).
GM also spoke very very highly of Troy Simmonds.
Tezza, GM and Paul Armstrong flew over to Perth (unlike another club who only emailed their interest ::) ;)) the Saturday before Trade week and spent alot of time with Simmonds putting forward the Tiger case. When they flew back Simmonds had committed to the Tigers, then Freo changed their offer (term & $$) but Troy stayed true to his word and committed to the Club.
Good start for the bloke I reckon :thumbsup
Great to hear that the club is pleased with Foley's progression. Re promoting him, this is a hard one. If we promote him then we will have to use one less draft pick. At this stage, even though I am a fan of Foley's, I would leave him on the rookie list and utilise an extra pick in the national draft seeing that we have decent picks. I'd rather utilise pick 52 and 68 and keep Foley on the rookie list. Hilton's long term injury will give him an opportunity if he impresses early.
Very professional regarding the Simmonds approach. Well done.
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Great to hear that the club is pleased with Foley's progression. Re promoting him, this is a hard one. If we promote him then we will have to use one less draft pick. At this stage, even though I am a fan of Foley's, I would leave him on the rookie list and utilise an extra pick in the national draft seeing that we have decent picks. I'd rather utilise pick 52 and 68 and keep Foley on the rookie list. Hilton's long term injury will give him an opportunity if he impresses early.
I agree HarryH - my preference is to keep him as rookie and develop him further and if an opportunity presents promote him during the season - just like we did in 2004 with Kel Moore. Moore got his opportunity and took it and is being rewarded for it.
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Quick one WP is Simmonds on $320K for five years?
This seems like way too much money. I think he is a good player and Terry must want him but......
Is it performance based?
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It was funny when he mentioned about the players legs - he said they have no thighs - legs like tennis players.
LMAOOOOOOO
I'm serious when i say we should get Hafey involved on the physical conditioning side but we need to move now
so he can have them over pre-season.
Another guy is a Greek bloke who trains Buckley and Tarrant.
Just look at their bods to see what he can do.
I'll find out his name.
Anyway,he's available for private hire.
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Quick one WP is Simmonds on $320K for five years?
This seems like way too much money. I think he is a good player and Terry must want him but......
Is it performance based?
I don't and I doubt the media would know the exact figure any player is on HT but to answer your question...
What was said was that money that was going to be for Ottens is being used for Simmonds.
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I'm serious when i say we should get Hafey involved on the physical conditioning side but we need to move now
so he can have them over pre-season.
Another guy is a Greek bloke who trains Buckley and Tarrant.
Just look at their bods to see what he can do.
I'll find out his name.
Anyway,he's available for private hire.
I didn't know this but Tezza was saying last night he has a degree in Physical Education - so I think he knows eaxctly what we need and how to get it done. Thats why he was talking about this "power training" and why it is so important :thumbsup
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The Tigers have now delisted a total of eight players from the 2004 list - Justin Blumfield, Simon Fletcher, Adam Houlihan, Ben Marsh, Bill Nicholls and rookie Marc Dragicevic are the others.
Brad Ottens and Aaron Fiora were traded while Matthew Rogers and Duncan Kellaway have retired.
12 changes to our list (possibly 13 if Ty goes) after 10 last year. Finally we've brought out the big broom and let it loose. 22-23 changes in 2 years is an excellent effort. The remaining "lucky to still be here" ones will be mostly gone by the end of next year and by the end of 2006 we should have turned over our whole list.
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Danny......he is the man we need and I have a sneaking suspician that he could get a call-up soon.
*For those that dont know he was Wallace head-fitness man at the Dogs....he was part-time though. I also do a bit of training with him and word has it he is looking for a full-time job......
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It was funny when he mentioned about the players legs - he said they have no thighs - legs like tennis players.
LMAOOOOOOO
I'm serious when i say we should get Hafey involved on the physical conditioning side but we need to move now
so he can have them over pre-season.
Another guy is a Greek bloke who trains Buckley and Tarrant.
Just look at their bods to see what he can do.
I'll find out his name.
Anyway,he's available for private hire.
Mate of mine who's now a gym owner was telling me that he was actually considering a job as part of the Richmond fitness staff a little while ago. He thought the Richmond training facilities were a joke in comparison to what he had seen about the place.
Our players' bodies don't lie. Either we have incompetant people training the players or our facilities are schithouse and we need to update. The first thing we should do is try and get our players into tip-top physical condition.
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Mate of mine who's now a gym owner was telling me that he was actually considering a job as part of the Richmond fitness staff a little while ago. He thought the Richmond training facilities were a joke in comparison to what he had seen about the place.
Our players' bodies don't lie. Either we have incompetant people training the players or our facilities are schithouse and we need to update. The first thing we should do is try and get our players into tip-top physical condition.
I don't think we can blame the facilities anymore JohnF - since they've built (through the JDF) the pool, indoor training room next door the pool and re-fiited the gym it is said that our facilities are excellent - not as great as the Lexus centre but equal to Essendon which is supposed to be the best of the Victorian clubs. I have had tour through them and they are very good.
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I haven't had a look inside the rooms WP, but i was just wondering, is the place filled with treadmills, swiss balls and room for aerobecising or is there some real heavy duty gym equipment in there like 10 bench presses, leg press machines and squat machines?
Having a good looking gymnasium is something totally different to having an effective one.
I can't see how our players could end up with such pisweak bodies if we had the adequate training facilities so that they could all do core strengthening sessions together.
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LMAO at the greek guy available for private sessions.
LMAO at the RFC boxercising to the tune of "eye of the tiger"
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lmfaoooooo@Buckley and Tarrant getting tight abs and loose rings
lmfaooooooo@the Richmond gym equipment
1 Tae-Bo tapes
2 The Tony Robbins package
3 The ab-doer and the ab-dominator
4 The Chuck Norris Machine
5 Swiss balls
6 Pilates machines
7 Aerobics Greek Style video
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lmfaoooooo@Buckley and Tarrant getting tight abs and loose rings
lmfaooooooo@the Richmond gym equipment
1 Tae-Bo tapes
2 The Tony Robbins package
3 The ab-doer and the ab-dominator
4 The Chuck Norris Machine
5 Swiss balls
6 Pilates machines
7 Aerobics Greek Style video
Farken rollin at Aerobics greek style. That would explain how pro-efficient we've been at touching our toes every week.
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Cut Tigers – Terry tells
4:34:52 PM Thu 21 October, 2004
Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace has outlined the reasons behind the latest player departures at the Club.
Tim Fleming, 26, and Luke Weller, 22, have been advised by the Tigers that their contracts would not be renewed, as part of the revising of the playing list for 2005.
“I’ve seen a lot of emails around the place over the last 12 months wondering why the kids aren’t getting an opportunity at Richmond. Well, we’ve made decisions recently to open up opportunities for our younger players to be able to be developed,” Wallace said.
“Tim Fleming’s an example of that. At his age, he probably wasn’t going to be a part of what will be a successful Tiger era, and we need to give that chance to get 50 games into young players like Hartigan, Jackson, Raines and Roach.
“It’s important to fast-track their development while we’ve still got our quality senior players around the Club.”
Weller’s delisting was tied in with Richmond’s trade exchange with Geelong for Brad Ottens.
“Luke got squeezed because of the fact that when we made our initial cuts, we then had to wait for the trade period to go through,” Wallace said.
“What happened was that we got an extra draft selection for Brad Ottens, so we had a one player out, two players in scenario.
“Also, what we identified at the end of the trade period, was that we probably needed to go out and look for a couple of bigger, senior-bodied players, to be able to assist our younger group coming through next year.
“The names that come in as late picks in the draft will be chosen for specific purposes. I’ve been across every game played for the last two years and I’ve been identifying blokes that I think can actually give us some sort of assistance in the short term.
“They will probably be delistings from other clubs, but I see a specific role for them within our structure. Whereas, when you looked at a Weller and a Fleming, I probably saw them holding back the progress of the younger players within our group of similar size and playing style.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=175772
CUT CUT CUT
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lmfaoooooo@Buckley and Tarrant getting tight abs and loose rings
lmfaooooooo@the Richmond gym equipment
1 Tae-Bo tapes
2 The Tony Robbins package
3 The ab-doer and the ab-dominator
4 The Chuck Norris Machine
5 Swiss balls
6 Pilates machines
7 Aerobics Greek Style video
Farken rollin at Aerobics greek style. That would explain how pro-efficient we've been at touching our toes every week.
LOL, our players have very flexible glutes.
“Also, what we identified at the end of the trade period, was that we probably needed to go out and look for a couple of bigger, senior-bodied players, to be able to assist our younger group coming through next year.
“The names that come in as late picks in the draft will be chosen for specific purposes. I’ve been across every game played for the last two years and I’ve been identifying blokes that I think can actually give us some sort of assistance in the short term."
I wonder if Wallace will go after someone like Croft from the Bulldogs?
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LMAOOOO@The Tiges hiring a Greek to turn our chickens into Adonis's.
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I haven't had a look inside the rooms WP, but i was just wondering, is the place filled with treadmills, swiss balls and room for aerobecising or is there some real heavy duty gym equipment in there like 10 bench presses, leg press machines and squat machines?
Being the fitness fanatic that I am and considering I wouldn't know the difference between a bar bell, dumb bell or a door bell ;D ..... :-\ :-[
The room next to the pool - is area they would use for areobecising I reckon - it is used for indoor training. Although it is pretty small and I do know that part of the next stage of the JDF is for the Social Club to be redeveloped and part of that includes building an even bigger indoor training room.
In the gym they have bikes, boxing bag, bench presses and leg press machines - I will have to plead ignorance and admit that I wouldn't know a squat machine if I fell over one :help. I am pretty sure I saw a treadmill machine. I must add that I have only been in the main gym and I haven't seen the area out the back near the change rooms.
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We can't have all this fitness stuff, there'll be a player revolt.
They've had it so easy for so long, won't know what's happened to them lol
WP, you ruined the boys fun here - i'm sure we were getting very close to bottom jokes again :rollin
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Weller, Fleming join Richmond exodus
By Lyall Johnson
realfooty.theage.com.au
October 22, 2004
Richmond has continued a purge under coach Terry Wallace, yesterday shedding Tim Fleming and Luke Weller to take the number of delisted players since the end of the season to eight.
Tigers football director Greg Miller said the delistings were required to open up the list for the pre-season and national drafts, where the club is aiming to pick a number of taller players.
"It's probably a necessity to look at a couple of taller players. Tim's done an outstanding job for the two years that he's played for us but with a new coach and a five-year tenure, we are looking to the future," Miller said.
". . . In Tim's case, he had two very good years with us, and Luke certainly didn't do anything wrong last year."
Fleming had been somewhat of a minor cult figure at Punt Road, playing his first game at the relatively advanced age of 24 and seemingly enjoying throwing his weight around the field.
Miller recognised Fleming's onfield aggression would be missed but felt that the other players had to "stand up and fill that void now".
Miller said younger players such as Brent Hartigan, Andrew Raines, Thomas Roach and Daniel Jackson would "all have to stand up and be counted".
Miller also indicated the club had not decided on the future of disgruntled utility Ty Zantuck.
http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/10/21/1098316786763.html?oneclick=true
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Well I've never confessed to be a brain when it comes to the finer things about football but boy am I impressed with what TW is doing. No bandaid approach for him - just amputate!!
As for the fitness thing - bring it on. Any help needed, I'm just a phone call away ;) Mr. Julz is approaching his late 30's and doesn't have an ounce of fat on him. Lifting 40kg blocks daily helps though (and no, he's not in jail - lol). WP - I've never heard of a "swat" machine - do you mean squat or swiss machine? A swiss machine is what you use for doing squats or lunges with weights on the bar.
:cheers
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WP - I've never heard of a "swat" machine - do you mean squat or swiss machine? A swiss machine is what you use for doing squats or lunges with weights on the bar.
:cheers
Sorry Julz - typo should've been squat :help :cheers
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lmfaoooooo@Buckley and Tarrant getting tight abs and loose rings
lmfaooooooo@the Richmond gym equipment
1 Tae-Bo tapes
2 The Tony Robbins package
3 The ab-doer and the ab-dominator
4 The Chuck Norris Machine
5 Swiss balls
6 Pilates machines
7 Aerobics Greek Style video
LMFAO at all the late night TV u been watching Jon F
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Hey John F and Harry H
Koutifdies and his old mate Ang Christou wouldnt happen to be the stars of this Aerobics Greek Style video would they? ;D
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LMFAO at all the late night TV u been watching Jon F
lmfaooo Cain, where all good quality products are advertised.
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Hey John F and Harry H
Koutifdies and his old mate Ang Christou wouldnt happen to be the stars of this Aerobics Greek Style video would they? ;D
LROFLAMO spot on T-tailz. Guest starring Peter Andre and Alex Dimitriades