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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Tiger Spirit on October 22, 2004, 03:22:41 PM
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Tigers back on the track
22 October, 2004
Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
New Richmond coach Terry Wallace cast a discerning eye over the Tigers’ first pre-season training session, at Punt Road yesterday (Thursday, October 21).
Overall, he was pleased with what he saw from the 0-4 year players who kicked off Richmond’s pre-season campaign. But he was also quick to point out there were some key areas that needed to be addressed from the outset.
“The first thing that happened was that they had their skinfolds taken, to find out where they were at, and everyone’s come back in good nick,” he said.
“With respect to on the ground, although it was only a skill-based session, I was probably a little disappointed with the skill level of the group. But I suppose that’s what you could expect first-up after a decent break.
“The concentration levels of the group is also something that really needs to improve.
“When we’re training as professional sports people, we just need to be right on our concentration levels.
“Brian Royal (new Richmond assistant coach) spoke to them about Tiger Woods and how many times he would hit a golf ball each week. Obviously, it would be thousands, but every one is hit in a professional manner.
“He’s not lackadaisical in his preparation at any stage – and we’ve got to get to that stage. Our players can’t afford to get bored with what they’re doing with repetition work because that repetition is going to get them better at their trade.
“So, it’s going to take a little bit of adjustment for them to get used to how much work – and how much repetition work – they’re going to do. But they’ll get the results at the end of the day.”
Wallace was particularly impressed with the enthusiasm and energy levels within the young playing group.
“The energy was fantastic,” he said.
“They stepped back inside after the skill development part of the program and went through their boxing, weights program and physical testing, and they were terrific in that. The atmosphere in the rooms was great and really good to be a part of.
“Our young players at this footy club are certainly setting a very, very high standard in the way that they want to go about their footy and they’re super-enthusiastic, which you would expect from young players.
“I’m just hoping that the next two waves of players that come in go about it exactly the same way.”
The 5-7 year players start their pre-season campaign next week, with the 8-plus years’ group the following week.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=175844
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“With respect to on the ground, although it was only a skill-based session, I was probably a little disappointed with the skill level of the group. But I suppose that’s what you could expect first-up after a decent break.
“The concentration levels of the group is also something that really needs to improve.
“When we’re training as professional sports people, we just need to be right on our concentration levels.
“Brian Royal (new Richmond assistant coach) spoke to them about Tiger Woods and how many times he would hit a golf ball each week. Obviously, it would be thousands, but every one is hit in a professional manner.
“He’s not lackadaisical in his preparation at any stage – and we’ve got to get to that stage. Our players can’t afford to get bored with what they’re doing with repetition work because that repetition is going to get them better at their trade.
Hell-lay-loo-ya
Concentration,skills, enthusiasm
Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:bow :bow
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“The first thing that happened was that they had their skinfolds taken, to find out where they were at, and everyone’s come back in good nick,” he said.
Good to hear from our youngsters. No fatty Pies at Tigerland ;). The enthusiasm comment doesn't surprise me either. Our kids seem to know more about leadership in their little fingers than our senior players.
“With respect to on the ground, although it was only a skill-based session, I was probably a little disappointed with the skill level of the group. But I suppose that’s what you could expect first-up after a decent break.
Some of our 5+ year players are in for a shock. Terry might be in for shock as well when he sees certain senior individuals kicking actions in the flesh trying to hit a target.
“The concentration levels of the group is also something that really needs to improve.
“When we’re training as professional sports people, we just need to be right on our concentration levels.
“Brian Royal (new Richmond assistant coach) spoke to them about Tiger Woods and how many times he would hit a golf ball each week. Obviously, it would be thousands, but every one is hit in a professional manner.
“He’s not lackadaisical in his preparation at any stage – and we’ve got to get to that stage. Our players can’t afford to get bored with what they’re doing with repetition work because that repetition is going to get them better at their trade.
“So, it’s going to take a little bit of adjustment for them to get used to how much work – and how much repetition work – they’re going to do. But they’ll get the results at the end of the day.”
Don't tell me we're actually going to do at Tigerland drill work after drill work at training until we get it right! Nah this is too good to be true ;D. Talk about almost daily indirect backhanders towards Spud and Co.
:bow :bow :bow @ TW. He's already in the space of a few weeks in the job outlined our deficencies and implemented plans to target them. He's obviously been doing his homework well before he got the gig at Punt Road :thumbsup. Compare that to his predecessors who had NFI after spending years in the job.
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Good to hear from our youngsters. No fatty Pies at Tigerland ;). The enthusiasm comment doesn't surprise me either. Our kids seem to know more about leadership in their little fingers than our senior players.
How true MT - great for the kids and makes them all the more impressive. An indictment on the senior group and our previous coaching regime.
I am serious but I cannot help but get excited about the future - we seem to have a plan for the short & long term. Finally after 20+ years of chopping and changing plans or just not having one we have one - and looking at it seems so..................................er....................................................
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I think I need a drink because of the shock of it all :cheers
He's obviously been doing his homework well before he got the gig at Punt Road :thumbsup.
Spot on MT - Tezza said on Wednesday night that he had watched ever AFL game of the last 2 years.
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The 5+ years players will get a pounding once they return. Hope they bring their lube.
Poor spud, he's getting a kaning even after he's long gone. LMAO at Terry thinking WTF have these people been doing for the past 5 years.
Terry did a great job at the dogs with mid aged average players and with the lack of good draft picks. Imagine what he can do with our current bunch of impressionable kids, and the cream of the crop kids we pick up this and next year.
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I am serious but I cannot help but get excited about the future - we seem to have a plan for the short & long term. Finally after 20+ years of chopping and changing plans or just not having one we have one - and looking at it seems so..................................er....................................................
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How true WP. We actually are following a well thought out plan :gobdrop.
I think I need a drink because of the shock of it all :cheers
55% alcohol Chateusse :lol
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You cant help but get excited when you hear some of these comments.
Its good to know that our boys are finally in good hands, i am sure in a couple of weeks time some of those players will be wondering what has hit them and thats what we need.
It is time for our players to earn their money.
LMAO@ Tiger Woods being our number 1 member.
Maybe his mrs can rub our boys down!! what the hell she can even rub me down ;D
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LMAO at Terry thinking WTF have these people been doing for the past 5 years.
:rollin
Reckon we've been saying the same thing for the past 20 :scream
Terry did a great job at the dogs with mid aged average players and with the lack of good draft picks. Imagine what he can do with our current bunch of impressionable kids, and the cream of the crop kids we pick up this and next year.
Although this is still fantasy and a long way off but if we draft smartly and our youngsters continue to develop at the rate they have been then about 3/4 of our side in 3 years time will be first and second round draftees. Add to that the likes of Brown, Johnson, Krakouer and Newman and we potentially could have a bloody awesome side full of quality across all lines.
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Bottom line is Terry Wallace wants to win. He is a winner - he played in Preimerships and as HarryH said he took a very average Bulldogs team to 2 premlim finals.
The only chance we have of winning consistently long term is to develop our own young players and make them winners. Playing aggressive, fast attacking footy can and will do that.
For the first time in such a long long time we have that chance.
PS: I forgot to mention that Tezza did speak of assistant coaches and that he is still looking for another assistant - one straight out of the game and a ruck coach (probably part time) We can only hope :cheers
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The only chance we have of winning consistently long term is to develop our own young players and make them winners.
Exactly WP.
PS: I forgot to mention that Tezza did speak of assistant coaches and that he is still looking for another assistant - one straight out of the game and a ruck coach (probably part time) We can only hope :cheers
Good to hear that Wallace wants to do that :thumbsup.
Have no problems with a part time ruck coach. Just need someone to come in now and then to critique and offer advice. The main thing is we get one especially as we're drafting one or two young ruckman. We are a unprofessional Club without one.
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It's been reported that Ashley Prescott was approached to see if he was interested in an AFL assistant coach's job (not sure if that means us) but turned it down for the meantime to stay at Claremont in the WAFL.
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Prescott commits to Claremont
Posted Oct 23, 2004 - 18:09 PM
By Russell Dower
Claremont coach Ashley Prescott has played down the speculation he may be looking at accepting an assistant's role with an AFL club.
Prescott has had several AFL clubs inquire if he was interested in moving into the AFL coaching ranks but no offers were made.
With Richmond still to appoint their full coaching staff to assist Terry Wallace, there was speculation that Prescott, a former Richmond midfielder may be lured back to Punt Road.
"There was some interest shown a while back sounding me out but I hadnt heard much more" Prescott said.
"I was not interested and while it was nice to be contacted I am committed to Claremont.
Prescott remains under contract to Claremont and believes it is more beneficial to remain with the club.
" I want to spend time learning the caper and coaching my own team.
http://www.footygoss.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=15093&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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When you're posting about Ashley Gorgeous, could you pls supply a picture in the future, MT so i don't have to get my own :rollin
http://www.shirtlessafl.com/fremantle/prescott.html
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wasnt anyone at training?
i could read greenbergs report on the RFC site :banghead
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It's been reported that Ashley Prescott was approached to see if he was interested in an AFL assistant coach's job (not sure if that means us) but turned it down for the meantime to stay at Claremont in the WAFL.
I think it was us MT - Scot Palmer said in his "Punchlines" in today's (24/10/04) Sunday Herald Sun the following (refer page 42)
"Richmond Coach Terry Wallace has yet to decided the final memeber of his coaching team with former Tiger-Docker Ashley Prescott still in the mix. Prescott coached Claremont in the WAFL last year. Retired Roo David King is another on Wallace's books"
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When you're posting about Ashley Gorgeous, could you pls supply a picture in the future, MT so i don't have to get my own :rollin
http://www.shirtlessafl.com/fremantle/prescott.html
Doesn't do anything for me froars :P ;D
Suring up your vice-presidential credentials for the Tiger perverts society I see ;)
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Julz just ain't in my league MT - who made her president anyway lol.
i was at the footy once, and saw what i thought was Ash sitting in the stands when he was supposed to be playing.
So i asked him why wasn't he playing - and it wasn't him - was his twin brother lol
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It's been reported that Ashley Prescott was approached to see if he was interested in an AFL assistant coach's job (not sure if that means us) but turned it down for the meantime to stay at Claremont in the WAFL.
I think it was us MT - Scot Palmer said in his "Punchlines" in today's (24/10/04) Sunday Herald Sun the following (refer page 42)
"Richmond Coach Terry Wallace has yet to decided the final memeber of his coaching team with former Tiger-Docker Ashley Prescott still in the mix. Prescott coached Claremont in the WAFL last year. Retired Roo David King is another on Wallace's books"
David King would fit the criteria of a recently retired player from a successful club but as we saw with Crocker that's no guarantee. Not sure if he wants to coach but Shaun Hart was another one I was thinking of.
In an ideal world a captain from a successful club would be the best bet.
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Julz just ain't in my league MT - who made her president anyway lol.
Julz posts Richo pics at every opportunity :lol
i was at the footy once, and saw what i thought was Ash sitting in the stands when he was supposed to be playing.
So i asked him why wasn't he playing - and it wasn't him - was his twin brother lol
It must have been confusing without his shirt off lol ;)
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Julz, Froars...can I join this society??? lol I appreciate fine art as much as the next hot blooded female tiger supporter lol :bow
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Geez go away for the weekend and everyone takes your name in vain!
As for Ashley Prescott - nice body but he has a head like a robber's dog!
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Just a reminder that the second group 5-7 years are due back today tostart training.
:help :help Bring it one Tezza - shock them as well
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Just a reminder that the second group 5-7 years are due back today tostart training.
:help :help Bring it one Tezza - shock them as well
Damn I missed Wallace's shock and awe training session ;)
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Ok, here’s my attempt at a training report. Only saw a few minutes, so it’s not much to go on.
Anyway, from what I saw, Johnson, Hall, Hilton and Archibald ran laps.
Hartigan and one other, who I couldn’t place, did sprints.
The main training group was split up into two groups.
The smaller group of ten did competitive type drills with Brian Royal and David King. McKee was in this group (seemed to me like he felt a bit out of place or something, but did ok), along with Campbell, Brown, Newman, Tivendale, Hyde and Schulz, that I can remember.
The main group did skills work, split into two teams (shirts vs no shirts), with all players running towards goal. A player scored by handballing through a hoop.
I believe Mark Graham was there as well, but didn’t pick him out.
There were some others who I either couldn't spot or just weren't there. Notably, no Cogs.
Dangerous moments: a low flying pigeon near decapitated a couple of onlookers. Both were unshaken and unharmed by the near incident, including the pigeon. :thumbsup
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Cogs may have been in the pool or doing weights - I HOPE
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The main group did skills work, split into two teams (shirts vs no shirts), with all players running towards goal. A player scored by handballing through a hoop.
And dare we ask which team you were supporting TS :rollin
Cogs may have been in the pool or doing weights - I HOPE
We would hope he's working at getting is groin injury right Ox.
But we are talking about Tezza and his team here - so you've got to feel more confident that they know what they are doing :thumbsup
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The main group did skills work, split into two teams (shirts vs no shirts), with all players running towards goal. A player scored by handballing through a hoop.
I like this drill and I can see where Terry is coming from as it seems that at most training sessions he is implementing this drill where they score by handpassing through a hoop. I beleive he is trying to drill into his players a running, attacking and supportive style of play whereby they are running forward in numbers and sharing the pill by hand. IMO he is trying to get them out of the bad habit of being too static and relying too much on a kick to a mark situation in order to gain and hold possession.
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I wouldabeen barracking for the Tiges at all times WP. :cheers
As it’s very early on in the pre season, it’s a bit hard to read anything into who is and who isn’t there and who is doing what sessions.
I agree with your points HarryH and it does seem that way. Even though it’s very early days yet and the results will come somewhere down the track, the players seemed a lot more on their toes. As you’d expect with new coaching staff on board. But I think it also had to do with the drills they are doing, because you would need to be alert at all times and this seemed to creat a lot more urgency in their training.
The competitive side of things is being brought into it as well, as scores were being called out, after each point.
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Julz, Froars...can I join this society??? lol I appreciate fine art as much as the next hot blooded female tiger supporter lol :bow
Seeing Froars is taking a break, I need an extra pair of eyes 2JD, especially as my vision doesn't extend 1500km 8)
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TW was on SEN this morning. Someone rang in and asked about Cogs. He said that he was surprised at his fitness and that he’s in really good shape. He still has the ongoing groin problem, so they will be taking it very slowly with him. Nothing was mentioned as to the type of sessions he’s doing.
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TW was on SEN this morning. Someone rang in and asked about Cogs. He said that he was surprised at his fitness and that he’s in really good shape. He still has the ongoing groin problem, so they will be taking it very slowly with him. Nothing was mentioned as to the type of sessions he’s doing.
What the hell does suprised at his fitness mean?
He is lookin very buff (terminator voice) but will never run again :banghead
OR He will be running around soon and now has a body like M Voss :thumbsup
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I was a bit the same way H Tiger. Not really sure what it means, but I suppose with the amount of footy Cogs played last year and the type of injury, TW probably didn’t think he would be at the level of fitness has now. He didn’t really say too much else, other than they’re taking it slowly with him.
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Cogs shouldn't play until he's 100%. He must get this OP right. I can't understand why he was played at all last year when he had such a condition. (Actually I can understand - it's frawley and his merry band of assistants we are talking about here).
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It's worrying that Cogs' groin problem has now lingered on this long. Good to hear his fitness is at a good level but like HT and TS said that doesn't mean much. If Terry says they need to take things slowly with Cogs then it sounds like Cogs' situation hasn't changed for the better :(. If we can't get a full pre-season into him then he'll struggle to reach his full potential (2003 form).
As for Spud and co playing Cogs this year :banghead. We were told his groin condition needed game time to improve :banghead.
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MT, Clearly this -> :banghead was the best investment for OER this year. It sums up our collective thoughts on the Frawley regime so well.
Hopefully, in the years to come, we will use this -> :cheers a lot more, and even throw in the occasional :bow when discussing the Wallace era. :rollin
As far as Cogs is concerned, let's just hope that the new coaching team can get him right... reports I've heard seem to suggest he will be good. :thumbsup
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MT, Clearly this -> :banghead was the best investment for OER this year. It sums up our collective thoughts on the Frawley regime so well.
Hopefully, in the years to come, we will use this -> :cheers a lot more, and even throw in the occasional :bow when discussing the Wallace era. :rollin
;D :lol :rollin :thumbsup :cheers @ fwoy
I'd reckon :banghead will still come in handy next year as contractual agreements "saved" some of our duds from the axe.
Hope your "sauces" ;D are right about Cogs fwoy.
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If we can't get a full pre-season into him then he'll struggle to reach his full potential (2003 form).
I think he is a potencial superstar.
Meaning I think he could be better than 2003 form. I saw as leading us out of the mire that we have been in toward the holy-land (which admittedly for me is only competition respectibility).
I hope I am just a worrier, but I am not happy about the current situation. A year out already (and not training currently) is a real problem :-\ hope I'm wrong tiger fans.
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I think he is a potencial superstar.
Meaning I think he could be better than 2003 form. I saw as leading us out of the mire that we have been in toward the holy-land (which admittedly for me is only competition respectibility).
I see Cogs as someone who can be consistently good and reliable each week like a Ratten. Nothing flashy but does his job better than most in the comp. Right now I'd be more than happy to see him on the park in 2005 playing like he was in 2003 (B&F form) rather than shadow of himself we saw in 2004 when playing carrying this groin/pelvic complaint :banghead. I'm with you HT - it's a worry :-\.
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Short training report from today. The session had been going a while when I arrived . Two groups of players again. With Johnson still just doing running work.
One group, which seems to be on reduced workloads, worked on reflexes and reaction times. With the footy being directed at players, in no particular order. Notable was a “Schweppes classic catch”, as one of them called it, taken by Gas. :thumbsup This group consisted of Stafford, Hartigan, Hilton, Gaspar, Kellayway, plus a few others. McKee was also in this group.
The main group did some rebounding out of defence work. Judging by a couple of Daniel Jackson’s straight runs and kicks out of defence, he could prove a real find and play a defensive role well. Simmonds took a nice mark and looks an imposing figure.
Players like Roach, Raines, Rodan and Pettifer seemed to feature regularly. Rodan seems to be regaining some confidence.
The emphasis seems to be on improving and developing skills and getting it right, by repetition, as well as building players’ confidence levels.
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Thanks for that Tiger Spirit.
Agree on Simmonds, he is one big unit and can move also. Unlike Ottens who would just plod along.
Simmonds has really developed since leaving Melbourne and we tend to not take as much notice of players who play over in the west. I think many Tiger supporters will be very pleasantly surprised by his output.
Jackson is also going to be a very handy player next season.
Once again their is an air of optimism at Punt Road.
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thanks for that.
has anyone got a list of upcoming training sessions
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Will have to make the most of things now, because the centre is roped off, so the whole of the ground obviously cannot be used. Once the cricket season rolls around, I doubt it will be long before there won't be any, or much, footy training there.
Harry, the Richmond website has been posting the training times, but they're only posted a week at a time. There is another session at Vic Park, 10.30am this Friday.
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Thanks for the training report TS :cheers. Good to hear the young blokes are again prominent. Any sign of Cogs TS?
Isn't it a relief to finally have a coach who knows what he is doing :thumbsup. The more skill sessions enhanced via repetitive drills the better :).
With the Punt Rd Oval square roped off I'd presume that's why we are also training at Vic Park. Harry as TS said the training times are posted on the RFC site -> club activities -> training times. The past few weeks training has been on a Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
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No sign of Cogs MT. I know how keen people are to know how he is going, so any sign of him would be one of the first things mentioned. :thumbsup Whether he was out there before or after I left I don't know, but I doubt it. :(
Would be good to be there for longer than a few minutes, to see some of the other training drills, but that's about as much as I can get to see, at that time of the day.
Having the middle of the ground roped off wouldn't help with some of the training drills. So, as they've done in other years, at this time of the year, they usually train all over the place, except Punt Road Oval, most of the time. Which is good for others who can then get to see them train too.
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No sign of Cogs MT. I know how keen people are to know how he is going, so any sign of him would be one of the first things mentioned. :thumbsup
Just asking in case like some other of our female posters a shirtless Richo was distracting ;D.
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Terry was on SEN in the morning a couple of days ago and i someone rang up and asked about Cogs.
Terry said that Cogs was one person who has really impressed him. Terry was very surprised at the shape that Cogs was in and said it was a real credit to him that he has been able to keep himself in such good shape while having the injury.
In regards to him training, Terry said that he would be taking it easy until after X-mas and then let him jump into it. His groin injury will still have to be monitored though.
Lets hope he can make a full return next season.
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If we lose Cogs to OP then I'll be convinced we are cursed.
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No sign of Cogs MT. I know how keen people are to know how he is going, so any sign of him would be one of the first things mentioned. :thumbsup
Just asking in case like some other of our female posters a shirtless Richo was distracting ;D.
LOL - you're not referring to me are you MT? ;)