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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #180 on: November 21, 2017, 12:18:06 AM »
Gary Buckenara's Top 50: Picks 26-50

26. Ryley Stoddart
27. Nathan Murphy
28. Ed Richards
29. Charlie Ballard
30. James Worpel
31. Jordan Houlahan
32. Jackson Edwards
33. Dylan Moore
34. Zac Baley
35. Liam Ryan
36. Jack Petruccelle
37. Sam Taylor
38. Jackson Ross
39. Charlie Spargo
40. Ben Paton
41. Brent Daniels
42. Callum Coleman-Jones
43. Tom De Koning
44. Tim Kelly
45. Oscar Clavarino
46. Will Walker
47. Brayden Ainsworth
48. Hayden Schloithe
49. Andrew McPherson
50. Toby Wooller

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2017-top-50-picks-by-gary-buckenara/news-story/ac71e83c9b107d83fc354745b724a49c

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #181 on: November 21, 2017, 03:58:36 PM »
Charlie Constable's AFL website profile and draft preview:

Draft range: Looks likely to be taken later in the first round or in the early stages of the second round.



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-21/tomorrows-heroes-clearance-king-with-scope-to-grow

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #182 on: November 21, 2017, 04:41:15 PM »
If our targets a gone wouldn't be against getting him looks class.

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #183 on: November 21, 2017, 05:44:03 PM »
Hopefully has a bit of const....able in him.... :shh

At the very least, he should provide the grog squad with a goldmine of humourous chants...especially if we also get Bonar.... :clapping
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #184 on: November 21, 2017, 10:01:07 PM »
some clubs rated him a top 5 prospect all year and have cooled slightly bc his combine running results were poor.

If hes available, Id be happy for us to take him with one of our first 3 picks

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #185 on: November 22, 2017, 01:10:29 AM »
Gary Buckenara's full draft Top 50:

He has Naish at 14 and the likes Naughton, Brayshaw & Allen amongst others still available at our first pick at 17.


1. Cameron Rayner
2. Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Adam Cerra
4. Paddy Dow
5. Darcy Fogarty
6. Sam Hayes
7. Nick Coffield
8. Jaidyn Stephenson
9. Jack Higgins
10. Jarrod Brander

11. Charlie Constable
12. Hunter Clark
13. Lochie O'Brien

14. Patrick Naish
Midfielder, 183cm, 73kg, Northern Knights/Vic Metro

Buckenara says: I would be very surprised if a bid doesn’t come for Richmond father-son prospect Naish (his dad Chris Naish played 143 games for the Tigers) in the first round of this draft. Naish gives the top end of the draft some genuine pace and he loves to tuck the ball under his arm and take them on and with his penetrating right-foot kicking, which is a combination that will be attractive to all clubs. He also makes good decisions with the ball. I have no doubt Richmond will match any bid that comes. He’s a nice player and will fit in well at the Tigers.

Plays like: Jordan De Goey

15. Noah Balta
16. Lachlan Fogarty
17. Aaron Naughton
18. Andrew Brayshaw
19. Gryan Miers
20. Matthew Ling

21. Aiden Bonar
22. Harrison Petty
23. Oscar Allen
24. Joel Garner
25. Connor Ballenden
26. Ryley Stoddart
27. Nathan Murphy
28. Ed Richards
29. Charlie Ballard
30. James Worpel

31. Jordan Houlahan
32. Jackson Edwards
33. Dylan Moore
34. Zac Baley
35. Liam Ryan
36. Jack Petruccelle
37. Sam Taylor
38. Jackson Ross
39. Charlie Spargo
40. Ben Paton

41. Brent Daniels
42. Callum Coleman-Jones
43. Tom De Koning
44. Tim Kelly
45. Oscar Clavarino
46. Will Walker
47. Brayden Ainsworth
48. Hayden Schloithe
49. Andrew McPherson
50. Toby Wooller

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2017-top-50-picks-by-gary-buckenara/news-story/ac71e83c9b107d83fc354745b724a49c

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #186 on: November 22, 2017, 03:43:54 PM »
Either clubs are holding their cards a lot closer to their chest this year and able to control leaks or this draft is the widest open one ever and no one truly has a clue who will go where. Usually two days before the draft, the likes of Twomey, Anderson and Landsberger (Emma Quayle is no longer in the media) have a fair idea of the order of top half-dozen at least.

Ramps, Landsberger reckons Stephenson will either go to the Pies at 6 or drop down a fair way. I wouldn't mind Allen too but I think he'll be gone before pick 17.

Hopefully, all this uncertainty works in our favour and it's a good year for the reigning premiers to have 3 picks b/w 17-25 to grab those that unexpectedly fall through.
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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #187 on: November 22, 2017, 04:48:04 PM »
Kevin Sheehan’s top 40 draft prospects (in alphabetical order) and draft preditions:

Oscar Allen, Zac Bailey, Connor Ballenden (Brisbane Lions academy), Noah Balta, Aiden Bonar, Jarrod Brander, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra, Hunter Clark, Oscar Clavarino, Nick Coffield, Callum Coleman-Jones, Charlie Constable, Brayden Crossley (Gold Coast Suns academy), Luke Davies-Uniacke, Hugh Dixon, Paddy Dow, Darcy Fogarty, Lachlan Fogarty, Joel Garner, Sam Hayes, Jack Higgins, Jordan Houlahan, Matthew Ling, Gryan Miers, Dylan Moore, Nathan Murphy, Patrick Naish (Richmond father-son), Aaron Naughton, Lochie O’Brien, Ben Paton, Harrison Petty, Cameron Rayner, Ed Richards, Nick Shipley, Charlie Spargo, Jaidyn Stephenson, Sam Taylor, Toby Wooller, James Worpel.


The bolters: Ed Richards and Aiden Bonar

Richards, the grandson of Ron Richards and the great nephew of Lou Richards, is an exciting half-back with a beautiful left-foot kick that has soared into first-round calculations after an exciting end to the 2017 TAC Cup season. As the name suggests, he’s a mad Collingwood fan, but he definitely won’t be available still at Pick 38 (the Magpies’ second pick) as he’s been linked closely with the GWS Giants at Pick 11. Bonar has overcome great injury adversity — he’s already undergone two knee reconstructions as a teenager — to push into top 10 contention, thanks to a stunning draft combine campaign. A mobile forward at 190cm, Bonar could go anywhere between Picks 8 and 14.

The sliders: Jarrod Brander and Charlie Constable

At the start of the season, Brander loomed as potential Pick 1. Now he could slide as far into the second round, despite being the definition of a football swingman. Brander declared last month he’d love to go to a “big club”, so Richmond — which could do with more talls — at Pick 17 or 20 might be a perfect fit. Constable soared into top 10 calculations after a dominant carnival for Vic Metro, but some clubs have concerns over his aerobic capacity. A big-bodied midfielder blessed with goalkicking ability and a knack for accumulating the ball, Constable could go as early as Pick 15 with the Swans or deep into the second round.

The smokies: Zac Bailey and Charlie Ballard


As the Northern Territory’s best prospect, Bailey could sneak into the first round. He impressed with his line-breaking and accumulating skills, especially in contested situations, for the Allies at the national champs. Another champs bolter was Ballard — a tall wingman at 195cm from South Australia that has genuinely caught the eyes of club recruiters as the season has progressed. He played in both of Sturt’s Under 18 and Reserves premiership teams in the SANFL, but played different roles — one on the wing and the other up forward — in both games.

Mature-age recruits: Liam Ryan and Tim Kelly

The best mature-age prospects this year are from the WAFL — and whoever picks up Kelly and Ryan will have two gun prospects. Kelly, 23, is a goalkicking midfielder that wins ample contested ball and admits he’s better prepared for an AFL career now than what he was five years ago when he was draft eligible. Ryan, 21, has the most exciting highlights reel of any draft prospect this year, with his speed, high-marking ability and goalkicking stunning WAFL onlookers. An excitement machine in every sense of the term, Ryan won the Bernie Naylor medal for most WAFL goals in a season with 71 — the most since 2010.

HOW WILL THE FIRST ROUND PAN OUT?

THAT all depends on which player the Brisbane Lions select with Pick 1.

The race for Pick 1 is still wide open, with up to four players in line to be selected by the Lions. Western Jets gun Cameron Rayner, who has drawn comparisons to Dustin Martin and Christian Petracca, is a strong chance to be taken first, but Sandringham’s Andrew Brayshaw has bolted into contention thanks to a strong back-end to the year. Bendigo’s Paddy Dow and Dandenong’s Luke Davies-Uniacke are the other two players in the mix.

Foxfooty.com.au is predicting that the Lions will take Rayner with Pick 1, but Fremantle is unlikely to take Brayshaw at Pick 2. Instead, the Dockers will probably opt for Davies-Uniacke, with Carlton then picking Dow at the third selection.

North Melbourne had been linked heavily to Jaidyn Stephenson at Pick 4, but Eastern Ranges teammate Adam Cerra might leapfrog him here after Stephenson’s heart condition came to light. The Dockers’ fifth selection will be fascinating. They may opt for Brayshaw second-time round or Stephenson, but WA local Aaron Naughton might also be a chance.

From Pick 6 onwards, it gets a little murky. Collingwood has shown interest in Naughton, but SA’s Darcy Fogarty is also a chance. St Kilda has Picks 7 and 8 and will take the best available players, so don’t expect Brayshaw and Stephenson to be left hanging by Pick 8.

Northern Knights gun Nick Coffieldis a mad Western Bulldogs fan and could well get through to their selection at Pick 9, while Carlton is set to pick Darcy Fogarty at Pick 10 should he still be available.

Players who could make up the rest of the first round include Oakleigh duo Jack Higgins and Ed Richards — the grandson of Collingwood great Ron Richards — Dandenong pair Hunter Clark and Aiden Bonar, Bendigo’s Lochie O’Brien, Western Jets’ Lachie Fogarty, Sandringham’s Charlie Constable. Should he be available at Pick 13, WA local Oscar Allen is likely to be taken by the West Coast Eagles.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-times-predictions-and-picks-in-your-ultimate-guide-to-the-national-afl-draft/news-story/76c4676dd8855e2dd90983ad5c168d90

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #188 on: November 22, 2017, 04:59:34 PM »
How Richmond's premiership win has put a new breed of player in vogue

November 22, 2017
Riley Beveridge
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ROSS Lyon coined the phrase: “Trends are your friends.”

And, indeed, AFL recruiters are appearing to catch on.

Just months after a game plan crafted around unrelenting forward pressure helped Richmond to a flag, clubs around the country are buying into draft prospects who will cause endless nightmares for opposition defenders.

Gone are the days where teams with early draft picks will search — and often reach — for the country’s best junior key-position talent, replaced by an urgency for youngsters who will chase and harass opponents inside 50.

With it goes the potential of so-called ‘undersized’ players slipping down the order, as was the case just three years ago when the 167cm Caleb Daniel fell to Pick 46 in the national draft.

That was despite Daniel being Champion Data’s highest-ranked player at that season’s Under 18s National Championships.

Instead, in Friday’s national draft, as many as six players 179cm or under could be recruited inside the top 25 selections — an unprecedented occurrence, but a sign of the changing times within the AFL.

Last year, there were only two players in that height bracket chosen within the top 25 picks. The year prior? Three. The year before that, in Daniel’s draft year? Just one.

Mosquito fleets — like the one featuring Daniel Rioli, Dan Butler and Jason Castagna at Richmond this season — are in vogue. And recruiters are understandably keen to replicate such a style at their own club.

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With such high demand for those players, taller and less mobile prospects are slipping down the order — almost a reverse scenario to what has been the case at almost every draft over the last decade.

Sam Hayes (203cm), Connor Ballenden (199cm) and Jarrod Brander (194cm) were once touted as top 10 picks. But Brander now looks more likely to be considered late in the first round, while Hayes and Ballenden are a chance of slipping outside the top 30 altogether.

It’s an indication of exactly where the game is going — and perhaps what it takes to win premierships.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-how-richmonds-premiership-win-has-put-a-new-breed-of-player-in-vogue/news-story/8ef4e978533b3c2edda1e9db1fef2fcf

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #189 on: November 22, 2017, 09:16:46 PM »
Toomey has us taking Stephenson, Brander, Hayes, Naish plus one other. 
That would be a terrific result for us. 

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #190 on: November 22, 2017, 09:43:30 PM »
Toomey has us taking Stephenson, Brander, Hayes, Naish plus one other. 
That would be a terrific result for us.


Would be sensational! Brander is a must and Stephenson is pure excitement. Naish will also be a Tiger :clapping

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« Reply #191 on: November 22, 2017, 10:58:48 PM »
Toomey has us taking Stephenson, Brander, Hayes, Naish plus one other. 
That would be a terrific result for us.

With Stephenson, Brander and Naish I would be happy to also take the risk on Hayes, even though I expect him to end up like Vickery

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #192 on: November 23, 2017, 04:02:16 AM »
Callum Twomey's 2017 Phantom Draft

afl.com.au
23 November 2017


WELL, this has been a hard one.

The time has come for AFL.com.au's Phantom Draft top 30, but it has not been easy at all this year. The players at the top end are so even that clubs are still spending the last 48 hours leading up to draft night deciding on their plans.

Piecing things together, particularly without a lock at No.1, has made the 2017 crop a unique one.

With things still in flux, we will have the Late Mail Phantom Draft through on Thursday night with all the latest whispers ahead of the NAB AFL Draft in Sydney on Friday night.

1. Bris - Cameron Rayner
2. Freo - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carl - Paddy Dow
4. North - Darcy Fogarty
5. Freo - Andrew Brayshaw
6. Coll - Adam Cerra
7. St.K - Hunter Clark
8. St.K - Nick Coffield
9. Dogs - Aaron Naughton
10. Carl - Ed Richards
11. GWS - Jack Higgins
12. Adel - Aiden Bonar
13. WCE - Oscar Allen
14. Syd - Lochie O'Brien
15. Bris - Lachie Fogarty
16. Dogs - Nathan Murphy




JAIDYN STEPHENSON


POS: Half-forward
Ht 189cm Wt 76kg DOB 15/1/1999
From Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro

Stephenson's heart condition that was uncovered at the recent NAB AFL Draft Combine has concerned some clubs enough that he could be available to the premiers when nobody could have imagined that two months ago. The Tigers still have to make a call at that point, but Stephenson is a unique prospect, with a different set of skills and if cleared by Richmond medicos would be a draft bonus for the premiers. He is quick and sharp and nimble, he has a good leap, and he loves to dash away with the ball. He'll start his career in the forward line and is capable of kicking bags when given some space.

If not him? The Tigers have three picks within nine selections so have a few in their mix, but could jump for Charlie Ballard here, or go with Jarrod Brander. There's a chance Jack Higgins is also still on the board.


18. Bris - Zac Bailey
19. GC - Charlie Ballard





JARROD BRANDER

POS: Key defender/key forward
Ht 194cm Wt 89kg DOB 11/2/1999
From Bendigo Pioneers/Allies

Richmond has put more work into Brander since it became clear the key swingman might be available at their pick. The Tigers won the premiership without too much support for Jack Riewoldt in attack from the talls department, but Brander could play a marking role there as well as in defence. He started the season tipped as a possible No.1 pick but inconsistency has seen him drop a bit further back down the order. At this spot he would be difficult to pass up.

If not him?
Could the Tigers look for another small forward after their premiership success? Brent Daniels might appeal in this range. As may Gryan Miers. If Charlie Ballard is here the Tigers would have a think, while West Australian key defender Sam Taylor would offer some back-up if they don't go with Brander. 


21. WCE - Ryley Stoddart
22. Geel - Sam Taylor
23. North - Matthew Ling
24. Geel - Brent Daniels





SAM HAYES


POS: Ruckman/key forward
Ht 203cm Wt 93kg DOB 9/6/1999
From Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro

The back-to-back All Australian has been sliding down the draft order since an underwhelming run at the Draft Combine, which made some clubs believe he would take a long time to be ready to ruck at AFL level. That means some are now viewing him as a tall forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck rather than the other way around. The Tigers, at their third pick and fresh from a flag, could grab him and give him time to develop because he certainly has some excellent traits to his game and plenty to work with.

If not him? Callum Coleman-Jones is another tall prospect who could be selected in this draft range for clubs searching to add to their big man stocks.


26. WCE - Callum Coleman-Jones





(Matching Greater Western Sydney's bid)

PATRICK NAISH

POS: Midfielder
Ht 183cm Wt 73kg DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro

It was a magnificent season for Naish, with the developing outside midfielder playing great footy for the Northern Knights at TAC Cup level and also for Vic Metro at the under-18 championships where he was named an All Australian. Naish is a runner and a kicker: he will give a team great mileage because he likes to take things on and then use his quality right-foot disposal to size up targets. He also kicks goals, and has shown a capacity to do that on a regular basis. The son of former Tigers forward Chris Naish, the 18-year-old has spent time at Punt Road as part of the club's father-son academy program and is bright, bubbly and entertaining company.

If not him? This would be the perfect scenario for the Tigers, to get Naish after they have already use their first three picks. The main dangers for a bid before this stage are North at No.23 and Geelong at 22 or 24. If a bid comes here, Richmond will match it as fast as possible and bring in their first father-son since 2003.

28. GWS - Harrison Petty
29. GWS - Jack Pettrucelle
30. Melb - Oscar Baker



Who will your club target later in the draft?


A number of players have been linked to clubs after the first 30 selections. AFL.com.au has found some of the possible options available for picks after the early stages of the draft.

We have listed every draft choice assigned by the AFL, and also predicted how many each club is expected to use with a total of approximately 77 selections.

Unlike the Phantom Draft top 30, where the draft order has changed according to a possible father-son bid, for the below selections we have kept the order as it will start according to the AFL.

It will change across the night as bids come and are matched.




Draft picks:
17, 20, 25, 53, 55 (likely to use five selections)

The perfect result for the Tigers would be for them to secure three players, and then have to match a bid for Patrick Naish by using points from their fourth and fifth selections. In that case their fifth and final pick could be slightly pushed back a bit further until later in the draft. Depending on what they grab with their earlier picks, they could look for a smaller type in the mould of Dylan Moore, who had a very consistent season, or they could try to pick a tall like Hayden McLean, who finished the year in better form and works hard in attack. The Tigers have access to Derek Smith Jr, who played in their VFL side at stages this season, as a Next Generation Academy prospect but a rookie consideration seems more likely than the national draft.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-22/callum-twomeys-2017-phantom-draft

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #193 on: November 23, 2017, 04:09:22 AM »
Q. Stevenson to the Tigers at 17? I wasn't sure who you barracked for before now Cam.. but I think I do now!

Twomey: Haha I don’t barrack for them and even they might not take him.

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Roksman:
All year people telling him that Naish is nowhere near Top 15, calls people out for it.... Now follows what everyone has been saying. Classic Cal. I'd be shocked if he attended 5 junior games all year.

Twomey: No, you’ve mistaken it. All year I’ve rated him there and still do. What is with Richmond supporters getting angry about someone rating their father son player highly? How can an opinion on a player’s talent be wrong? It’s so bizarre.

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Re: 2017 AFL Draft thread
« Reply #194 on: November 23, 2017, 03:56:50 PM »