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Tigers confirm 2014 leadership group
richmondfc.com.au
February 11, 2014 10:59 AM
Richmond has announced its playing leadership structure for the 2014, with Trent Cotchin to continue in the role of captain.
The Tigers have decided on a smaller leadership group than in previous years, with Brett Deledio reinstated as vice-captain.
Defender Troy Chaplin has been voted into the group, alongside Daniel Jackson and Ivan Maric.
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-02-11/tigers-confirm-2014-leadership-group
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Grimes and Riewoldt have dropped out from last year's leadership group.
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Grimes is in the rehab leadership group with Griffiths.
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From the AFL website:
"Given the improved maturity of the team, we believe a five-player leadership group is a sufficient representation of the playing list," coach Damien Hardwick told the club's website.
"We are proud of the way Trent embraced the captaincy in his first year, and we're confident he will continue to be a strong leader on and off the field, along with Brett as vice-captain.
"Troy Chaplin's inclusion in the leadership group highlights the impact he has had on the group in a short period of time, and is a reflection of his strong character, and qualities as a person, which were things we identified when we recruited him to the club.
"We want to develop a culture that encourages every player on the list to be a leader in some way, and our challenge as a football club is to help them do that."
Riewoldt is set for a role slightly higher up the field this season, while Grimes is hoping for his first uninterrupted season since he was drafted.
The 22-year-old has played 26 games in four years, with persistent hamstring injuries derailing him early on and a fractured foot hampering him in 2013.
He missed last week's Australia Post Community Camp in Warnambool because of hamstring tightness, but had put together a decent pre-season before that.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-11/riewoldt-out-as-leader
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This looks like one of the most competent, simplistic and experienced leadership groups we have had for a very long time.
:clapping
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This looks like one of the most competent, simplistic and experienced leadership groups we have had for a very long time.
:clapping
I was about to say almost the same thing. All of them are mature leaders who will give strong direction on and off the field. Newy is the only omission that I have noted but he probably was more than happy to drop off and given that he may not play every game it was likely to be a good choice.
Amazing how quickly chappy has endeared himself to the group :clapping
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Newy is the only omission that I have noted but he probably was more than happy to drop off and given that he may not play every game it was likely to be a good choice.
Newman wasn't in the leadership group last year Stripes, stepped away from it when he gave up the captaincy
Last year's leadership group was:
Cotchin (C)
Deledio (VC)
Maric
Reiwoldt
Grimes
Jackson
This year's:
Cotchin (C)
Deledio (VC)
Maric
Chaplin
Jackson
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This year's:
Cotchin (C)
Deledio (VC)
Maric
Chapin
Jackson
I've heard he does an excellent version of 'cats in the cradle' ;D
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Newy is the only omission that I have noted but he probably was more than happy to drop off and given that he may not play every game it was likely to be a good choice.
Newman wasn't in the leadership group last year Stripes, stepped away from it when he gave up the captaincy
Last year's leadership group was:
Cotchin (C)
Deledio (VC)
Maric
Reiwoldt
Grimes
Jackson
This year's:
Cotchin (C)
Deledio (VC)
Maric
Chapin
Jackson
Sorry didn't mean from the existing group but more from our general leaders. Newt remains one of our best leaders at the club unofficially but obviously has gas enough of the work that comes with the official role within the group
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Wonder how Jack has taken all this. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would take demotion all that well.
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Wonder how Jack has taken all this. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would take demotion all that well.
Probably sulking like a little boy. Let's face it, this guy is no leader and they've done well to exclude him from the group imo
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VIDEO: Cotchin on 2014 leadership group
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-02-11/cotchin-on-2014-leadership-group
* It’s a great reward and it says a lot about the character he [Chaplin] is. To be voted in by your peers after only being at a football club for a year just shows the type of person he is and how much the players respect him. He’s obviously that little bit older; a similar age to Lids. It’s exciting. It shows that our list management and recruiters are bringing the right people into our football club.
* I’m very happy. It’s another responsibility that is part of my day-to-day job and the great thing is I’ve got a good group around me that are going to show a lot of support and make really good decisions for our club going forward. Last year was a massive learning year for me and this year’s going to be exactly the same. I am still young and I don’t think you can ever stop learning. Whether you’re the best leader in the competition or the worst leader, there are always areas you can improve on and that’s what I’m looking forward to doing.
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Dan Richardson was just interviewed on 3aw by Caro, Healy and Russell.
* If Jack has a good year onfield then we won't be talking about leadership groups.
* Don't believe we have an onfield leadership issue [Caro asked if the Elim final loss was due to a lack of enough onfield leaders]. A lot work done under Dimma regarding leadership, gameplans, etc. We still to improve in leadership as in other areas of our footy but that's no reflection on the large amount of work done so far.
* Shouldn't need the title to be a leader and he expects that to be the case with Jack. Richardson personally is old school and would just have a captain and vice-captain but the way footy is going the leadership group has become more formal.
* Believes the club and playing group are maturing. The exact number of leaders may change from one year to the next.
* Chaplin's form and his character since arriving at the Club makes him a good choice.
Caro said simply the Richmond playing group and coaches saw Chaplin as a better leader than Jack.
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Was flicking through the channels and saw channel 7 news made massive deal about this lol
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This year's:
Cotchin (C)
Deledio (VC)
Maric
Chapin
Jackson
I've heard he does an excellent version of 'cats in the cradle' ;D
:lol
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Wonder how Jack has taken all this. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would take demotion all that well.
You want bet practice leadership, not some talented (but) sooky poor example setter. The epitome of 'the gen y' mentality of 'the world owes me if I cant acomplish something myself'.
Probably caught it orf Troy Taylor
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FFS, really, why the stuffing witch hunt for Jack. Whoopy do, he is not in the leadership group. It won't stop him from being a leader!!!!
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FFS, really, why the stuffing witch hunt for Jack. Whoopy do, he is not in the leadership group. It won't stop him from being a leader!!!!
:facepalm
Look, Lady, just try to understand.
The guy is a sea cucumber
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Leadership group?
How about a leader..... One captain that's the leadership group...... The one who tells you to pull your head in etc.....
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FFS, really, why the stuffing witch hunt for Jack. Whoopy do, he is not in the leadership group. It won't stop him from being a leader!!!!
:facepalm
Look, Lady, just try to understand.
The guy is a sea cucumber
Oh well you two have something in common then, woman! :wallywink
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Jack's done nothing wrong: Tigers
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
February 11, 2014 7:34 PM
RICHMOND insists key forward Jack Riewoldt wasn't left out of the club's leadership group because of anything he did wrong and he will remain a respected on-field leader in 2014.
The Tigers announced a trimmed five-man leadership group on Tuesday, with young defender Dylan Grimes also omitted and former Port Adelaide backman Troy Chaplin the new inclusion.
Football manager Dan Richardson said the changes were made because the club felt a smaller leadership group was more appropriate under captain Trent Cotchin and vice-captain Brett Deledio.
"It certainly doesn't mean that Jack's done anything wrong, and it doesn't mean we don't respect what Jack's about," Richardson told radio station SEN on Tuesday night.
"He will continue to be a leader of this football club, albeit at this point in time without an official title.
"The most important thing for us – and for Jack – is that he continues to be the absolute best footballer he can be.
"That's where he can – and has done in the past – contribute to the team."
Richardson said the Tigers felt larger leadership groups could lead to "more discussion than what's needed and more debate".
He said the club didn't want its leadership program to be seen by players as an onerous task and they would meet on average once a fortnight.
"We'll have people facilitate that leadership program, some external and some internal, but we want it to be largely player and coach-driven," Richardson said.
"We'll let them drive the number of meetings and the amount of time they need to put into it."
Reigning club champion Dan Jackson and ruckman Ivan Maric will round out the Tigers' leadership group for the new season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-11/jacks-done-nothing-wrong-tigers
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Why has Jack Riewoldt not made the cut in Richmond’s leadership group?
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
February 11, 2014 8:44PM
BOIL it, cook it, spin it and even explain it, the fact is Jack Riewoldt is out of Richmond’s leadership group.
It is either a minor slap in the face for the eccentric Tiger forward or appropriate recognition for Troy Chaplin, the veteran backman from Port Adelaide who finished third in Richmond’s best-and-fairest in his first season at the club.
Maybe both. Certainly the latter.
Chaplin, who will be 28 on February 23, was elevated to the leadership group, voted in by his peers and coaches for what has been described as a stellar first season on and off the ground for the 27-year-old (he’s 28 on Feb 23).
The club also decided to reduce the leadership group from six to five, meaning Chaplin joined skipper Trent Cotchin, vice-captain Brett Deledio, ruckman Ivan Maric and 2013 best-and-fairest winner Dan Jackson.
Riewoldt may have been No. 6 in the voting, but was squeezed out by the change in the club’s constitution on leadership. Much will be made of Riewoldt’shis apparent demotion, especially if leadership groups are your cup of tea.
I like that the Tigers have a traditional captain and vice-captain, and believe leadership groups are more of internal than an external discussion.
So, it just might mean exactly nothing that Riewoldt is not officially one of the leaders.
But Jack is not your everyday character. He’s won two of the past four Coleman Medals amid claims he is the most selfish player in the competition.
Last year commentator Mark Maclure savaged Riewoldt for his body language on the field.
“Jack Riewoldt. Fair dinkum, what a prima donna. It’s about time he actually stood up himself and did something,” Maclure said.
“It has to be fixed by his peers. That’s his biggest problem. Are they strong enough to control him? He is totally in control of that club. (Brett) Deledio and (Trent) Cotchin have to handle this bloke. They have to change this guy and they have to make him one of them, because at the moment he’s not.’’
Did the Tigers listen to Maclure? They’d say not. In fact, in the face of such criticism, the Tigers supported Riewoldt. They always have.
Despite Maclure’s comments, coach Damien Hardwick numerous times last year said Riewoldt was having his best season.
Still, when Riewoldt is called selfish he tends to go overboard to prove he’s not selfish, by attempting ridiculous passing inside 50m, and even kicking backwards to teammates.
The fact is he is talented, good-humoured, passionate, obsessive and has a dose of class clown in him.
As for being selfish, in the past three years he has had 91 score assists, which ranks him equal 12th in competition, and equal No. 1 with Lance Franklin among key forwards.
It will be interesting to hear from Riewoldt about being ousted from the leadership group.
If he’s grown into the man and player Richmond wanted him to be, Riewolt should have been the first to congratulate Troy Chaplin.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/why-has-jack-riewoldt-not-made-the-cut-in-richmonds-leadership-group/story-fndv8t7m-1226824010373
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Maclure is a dead set poo for brains. Goes on these 'tough guy' rants that are quite often laughably inaccurate. This is one of those times.
Jack can be a dick but he also took a pay cut to stay at the club and is more than happy to set up goals for others.
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yeah but take away the two colemans and the goal assists and the leadership group badge and what's left Willy?
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yeah but take away the two colemans and the goal assists and the leadership group badge and what's left Willy?
Jarrad Waite
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(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/135/d/9/oh_gif_kid_by_magnasicparvis-d4zugsk.jpg)
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:lol
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First it was Robbo
Now for Caro's take ;D
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Richmond has leading questions after Jack Riewoldt loses role
Date February 12, 2014 5
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
Those football fans who witnessed first-hand Richmond's devastating capitulation in the club's first finals appearance in 12 years, and there were plenty at the MCG that day, would have plenty of theories about what went so horribly wrong for the Tigers - again - against Carlton - again.
Standing out among the lack of finals experience, class, composure and unforeseen injuries was the fact that Richmond's on-field leadership remains a work in progress. For whatever reason, the club's more senior players by and large could not stem the bleeding.
Further cracks then emerged despite what was a successful year at Tigerland. The troubled Dustin Martin followed up from his handcuff salute by walking out on the club for a brief period - which proved more embarrassing for the talented Martin than the club - which, in turn, demonstrated a new maturity in standing up to the best-and-fairest runner-up.
Jake King, who turns 30 next month, was seen again in public with high-profile bikie Toby Mitchell, having previously invited Mitchell into the Richmond rooms in August in an uncomfortable incident during which no off-field leader felt confident enough to intervene.
King feels a loyalty and gratitude to Mitchell for guidance that began when King was a teenager, but it is a pity that a man of his experience continued to seek to socialise in public with Mitchell after conversations with Brendon Gale and Daniel Richardson and - notably - after taking part in a club-sanctioned journey involving leadership to Brazil with consulting psychologist Pippa Grange.
There was even a leadership stoush at board level that finished with the stunning result that the Tigers, of all clubs, installed the AFL's first woman president, Peggy O'Neal. The outgoing Gary March had ultimately championed O'Neal, but departed a little disenchanted. Industry observers were surprised when it emerged that March had spoken to St Kilda about the chief executive's position - a suggestion March has played down.
The term ''leadership group'' carries inflated expectations and implications at several AFL clubs, but when a big-name star such as Jack Riewoldt is dropped from the group, then questions follow. Particularly in Riewoldt's case when his coach Damien Hardwick's commentary in 2013 was punctuated by praise for Riewoldt's growing maturity, lack of selfishness, growing team awareness and so forth.
Clearly Hardwick was reinforcing in Riewoldt's mind and everyone else's that there was more to life than kicking goals. The dominant Riewoldt could not make an impact during his final half of football for 2013 - neither could Martin nor King although they had plenty of yellow-and-black company.
The club emphatically denied on Tuesday that Riewoldt's removal - and that of Dylan Grimes - from the leadership group carried any more sinister implications than the fact players and coaches voted for five ahead of them and that they wanted to reduce numbers.
The forthright and hard-working Troy Chaplin was deemed more suitable for the role. So, to be positive, it is a credit to recruiter Blair Hartley that two of the club's five playing leaders have joined the club in the past two seasons - Ivan Maric is the other. To be negative, it is a little disappointing that a player of Riewoldt's charisma and talent is out.
Wayne Campbell, who facilitated the group, has replaced Jeff Gieschen at the AFL and the club has not yet decided what form the role will take, although it appears unlikely a consultant like Leading Teams will be recruited, nor has Grange's role been finalised.
The view of the club is Trent Cotchin is captain, Brett Deledio his deputy and that Daniel Jackson, Chaplin and Maric make up a large enough leadership group to represent the interests of a team.
So much was made of Richmond's exciting journey to September - albeit brief - and the brilliant off-field performance rained membership, sponsorship and ultimately an eliminated debt.
On-field the weight of expectation will prove even greater. The size and make-up of the Tigers' leadership group is of no consequence and the manner in which every player at Richmond deals with that expectation - and their own responsibility as AFL players - will truly define 2014
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-has-leading-questions-after-jack-riewoldt-loses-role-20140211-32g33.html#ixzz2t3rIdawv
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:sleep
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Rumors jacks cracked it as gone to Thailand
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Jack not playing Friday night, has walked out on the club.
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all over twitter now
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all over twitter now
Robbo reporting that he's been traded to West Coast for 3 future first round picks.
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all over twitter now
Robbo reporting that he's been traded to West Coast for 3 future first round picks.
GWS for Cameron and Coniglio.
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Coniglio quit to study hairdressing at TAFE
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lol
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Coniglio quit to study hairdressing at TAFE
Is that a roundabout way of saying he's been traded to the Swans?
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Go West
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Jack of the media, Riewoldt calls it quits
Matt Thompson
February 13, 2014 10:47 AM
RICHMOND forward Jack Riewoldt has announced a self-imposed media ban, just days after being dropped from the club's leadership group.
Riewoldt, 25, missed out on a spot in the Tigers' reduced five-man group of senior players.
He broke the news on what will be his final appearance on Gold FM radio.
"I won't be doing any media at all, I'm sacking The Footy Show, I'm not doing Gold," Riewoldt declared.
"This is off my own bat.
"I thought about it at the end of the season, and the club's going in a pretty strong direction and starting to come into some pretty big years."
Riewoldt said he was struggling with the way he was being depicted in the media.
"If I can't be portrayed the way I want to be portrayed then I'll give it a bit of a miss."
Riewoldt said he "found it hard" that the focus was on his omission from the leadership group and not the elevation of teammate Troy Chaplin.
"He didn't get the recognition he deserved from the media and from the outside world, so that was the thing that sort of cut me a little bit deep," he said.
"We've got five very, very capable blokes there and they are going to lead this club to some really big success this year."
Dylan Grimes, who had an injury riddled 2013, was also left out of the group.
Trent Cotchin remains captain, with Brett Deledio his vice-captain.
Ruckman Ivan Maric, 2013 Jack Dyer medallist Dan Jackson and former Port Adelaide defender Chaplin make up the rest of the group.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-13/jack-of-the-media
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More players and clubs need to start doing this and standing up the media imo. They have had free reign to do as they will for too long and set agendas on the most inane things. Funny thing is, most of my circle of friends/family couldnt give a toss about most of the stuff they continually shove down our throats, but they keep at it until it saturates the news and then tell us thats what the public want. ::)
If more players and clubs grew some, maybe that would send a msg to the media, start reporting on the game and not on crap such as if jake King had a coffee with a bikie mate, or that Jack was demoted from ldrship group
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Or that drug cheats are allowed to continue to participate cause money would be lost overwise. What's a little cover up compared to losing the dollars
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Well done Jack :clapping
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Good move Jack...third Coleman coming up.
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All the players should not talk to the media
Nothing worse than winning to games in a row and some idiot going on the footy show
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Good move Jack...third Coleman coming up.
Haven't you heard? He's playing up the ground this year
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Jack Carey
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Good move Jack...third Coleman coming up.
Haven't you heard? He's playing up the ground this year
Double bluff...will be playing out of the goal square. Mark my words.
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Best decision the club ever made was dropping Rewoldt from the leadership group.
cant have players like him leading the club ;D
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He has [guts] and he's not afraid to use it unlike Deledio
What a leader that bloke isn't
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not everyone is a successful leader. maybe you think Dusty could do better than lids. His good at getting lead stray ;D
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Deledio
What a leader that bloke isn't
Agree. Deledio couldn't lead.
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Snip! Keep the discussion above the belt ppl and leave out the crudity.
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I've been misrepresented
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Lids gets the weak as water tag too
:facepalm
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Well we were talking about his leadership, not his general play, but having said that - if you're going to object to Deledio being unfairly regarded as "weak as water" try to avoid using the word "tag".
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How many games has Deledio been tagged out of now?
10? 20? out of 195 games
Got to be every other week surely? I'm thinking at least 100
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Garry Lyon and MMM go to town on our leadership group. He also repeated a lot of this on Footy Classified.
AUDIO: https://soundcloud.com/triple-m-footy/wolf-richmond-leaders-failed (https://soundcloud.com/triple-m-footy/wolf-richmond-leaders-failed)
Summary
* It as an ‘unbelievable fall from grace’ for the Tigers and Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Ivan Maric and Troy Chaplin failed in their duties as the club’s leaders.
* Was that first half an artificial generation or was it real? Based on this year the answer is it was artificial and the second half was a return to real Richmond.
* Cotchin has a leadership group around him but they don't lead. Instead they look up to him and, if Cotch is held, they fail to show any responsibility, fail to show leadership and fail to rise up. Include Riewoldt and Martin in there too. The advantage of multiple leaders is infectious as we saw from Andrew Swallow, Jack Ziebell, Drew Petrie and Brent Harvey. The rest then follow the example of the leaders. Richmond don't have that.
* When North were charging in that 3rd qtr, Deledio went to the wing rather than going in the guts and just walked into the centre square at a centre bounce while Cotchin had no presence when the game was on the line.
* Lyon said Cotchin was not a great leader right now and it was a fact that was reflected in the way Richmond play.
* Eight points down in the last qtr - Maric mouths off to an umpire and concedes a 50-metre penalty which turned a tough shot on goal for Ziebell from 20 metres out into a certainty at a crucial time of the game.
* Chaplin panicked. Defenders are beholden to the whim of what is going on in the midfield but, especially as a designated leader, that doesn't mean you tug the jumper and just push opponents under the ball; you still need to contest on your merits.
* Talk is cheap and artificial motivation doesn't work. After the Essendon game, the team gathered in the middle of the ground and Trent spoke to them with Chaplin and Jack. They speak during the week about doing this and that. Post-North game, they again gather in the middle of the ground and Trent again speeks to the team. Lyon would love to attend Tuesday training this week to see how the leaders act during the week.
* Speaking of false motivations - Choco Williams jumper punched Griffiths before the game. Now Griffiths never plays that way - bumping Hansen over when they were winning. He ended up with just two kicks so it was all false.
* Hardwick can't make the players do things. He can coach them and educate them to play a certain way. It's the playing group that can only turn it around. They need to drive the change and that comes from the leaders. It's what we do during the week that gives us confidence to do what we need to do when we're 35 pts up at half-time.
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Why was young Grimesput in the leadership? Given his body and tender age?
Why was jacked dropped ffs. Should have been captiab. Only one that seems to care and not be a robot
Why Chaplin? Like a really bad joke
Something is rotten in denmark