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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 17, 2022, 10:50:06 PM
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Prestia a forced out with that hammy.
Edit: Add Riewoldt out too (fractured thumb).
Not sure about anyone else.
Fire away with your changes? :help
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Aarts gone. Dont want to see him play again unless something catastrophic happens to the club to force his selection.
Perhaps any half decent tall defender to come in to allow Balta to play forward and pinch hit in the ruck. Could do that by dropping Soldo but they won't.
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Soldo appeared to be off from 3rd Q also?
Out:
Prestia
Aarts seen enough
In:
RCD
Dow
Prepared to play guys like Ross and Ralph still because we need to know if we persist or ditch them.
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Add Riewoldt out too (fractured thumb).
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Out: Prestia, Riewoldt, Aarts
In: Cumberland, Stack, RCD
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Out = Blair Hartley
Arrogant stupidity...
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Soldo appeared to be off from 3rd Q also?
Out:
Prestia
Aarts seen enough
In:
RCD
Dow
Prepared to play guys like Ross and Ralph still because we need to know if we persist or ditch them.
Ross? You must be joking? Ralph sure I see upside but Ross isn’t a footballers hole
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OUT: Ross...simply cannot kick...can barely handball, Prestia, Soldo, Jack, Aarts
IN: Dow... i think will make it
Cumberland
Stacky
Caddy for center bounce
RCD
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INS: KMac, RCD, Caddy
OUTS: Prestia, Aarts, Riewoldt (inj)
Lucky to hang on Ross - his kicking is terrible at times.
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Out: Half of Nankoldo, Aarts, Prestia, Riewoldt
In: Cumberland, Ralphsmith, RCD, McIntosh
Brown sub
Balta fwd/second ruck :shh
Pickett & Ross on ball, Ralphsmith, McIntosh on the wings :shh
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Get Dow and RCD in that side let's see if there the inside grunt for the future ,even Sonsie we need some fresh blood these guys offer more then Aarts and Ross.
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Agree. Bring in Ralphsmith as well to play on wing.
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Soldo appeared to be off from 3rd Q also?
Out:
Prestia
Aarts seen enough
In:
RCD
Dow
Prepared to play guys like Ross and Ralph still because we need to know if we persist or ditch them.
Ross? You must be joking? Ralph sure I see upside but Ross isn’t a footballers hole
I still think he's been playing too outside. I'm not impressed with him but also want to be sure he's for delisting. If you're at that point that's fine, I probably need another few games for a full write off.
Should be handballing more than kicking at least 2:1.
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Bring in Caddy and Parker both experienced and can play forward and on ball. If they are list cloggers get them sorted out early, Caddy is a mystery don't know what he has done but can't get a game
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Hmm in the gun Cotchin, Aarts, Baker, Castagna how often does this bloke have to butcher the ball for people to realise he is not up to standard,
Edwards was invisible Graham gave us nothing Lynch did sweet stuff all along with Riewoldt, Rioli is putrid when any pressure is applied Ross on a wing is laughable and of course Prestia injured.oh and Soldo was putrid as well.
All in the gun imo not good signs with so many so poor.
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OUT: softness, one-armed-body-slaps, 50 metre penalties
IN: Pressure, bone-crunching-tackling, Footy smarts
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In: Rebuild
Out: Dynasty
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wtf couldn't they grab one hard midfielder in that draft, we got murdered in the guts it was ugly
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wtf couldn't they grab one hard midfielder in that draft, we got murdered in the guts it was ugly
Yep staring em in the face but hey cotch edwards martin prestia have 10 years left in em.
The worry is whats coming thru has to date been underwhelming. We keep screaming for em to be played but in fairness have they really demanded a spot.
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I know they wouldnt pick this type of team but I want to see some youngsters given a go.
Grimes Tarrant Gibcus
Stack Miller Mansell
McIntosh Martin Short
Baker Balta Bolton
Sonsie Lynch M.Rioli Jnr.
Nankervis Pickett Edwards
Dow Broad Brown Ralphsmith
Balta and Lynch as keys. Baker, Bolton and Rioli applying the pressure.
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Out: Prestia, Riewoldt, Soldo, Aarts
In: Dow, RCD, Mcintosh, Stack
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Perhaps Picket should be given a go in the guts?
Is there a reason not to?
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Perhaps Picket should be given a go in the guts?
Is there a reason not to?
I agree. A big body in the centre bounces. Along with Martin and Edwards or Bolton we get it first out of the middle.
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Dusty doesn't look right to me still. Just not himself right now.
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Out Graham, Aarts, Reiwoldt,Prestia, Soldo, Castagna
In Stack, Dow, Caddy, Mansell, McIntosh, RCD
Rioli & Ross very lucky.
Had enough of George, Caddy in for the season at least you know he can kick goals when he gets it.
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Out: Prestia (inj), Riewoldt (inj), Aarts.
In: McIntosh, Sonsie, Dow.
Don't think Dimma will make major changes aside from forced ones after one round. Not usually his way. It's probably even wishful thinking on my part that Aarts gets dropped given he's a Dimma favourite. Underdone players will keep their spots IMV (Graham). Kmac obviously returns to a wing if he's right to go. Hugo backed in and given another chance from the start to keep his spot. Ross only stays in because Prestia and Lambert are injured and there's no one at VFL level pushing him out. He must play inside mid though otherwise drop him. The wing/outside experiment failed last year Dimma. Dumb to try it again in round 1.
My 'Spy' tells me Sonsie was our only real shining light in the ressies. He can run from contest to contest and win the ball which is what we need so bring him in for Prestia. RCD sadly struggled (still hampered by that rib injury?), Stack and Cumberland kicked junk time goals in the last, while Caddy was too busy arguing. Dow as the sub because he apparently was okay in the ressies and so is ahead of what's left :P. Our lack of midfield depth on full show :-\.
B: Gibcus Grimes Broad
HB: Short Tarrant D.Rioli
C: McIntosh Cotchin Pickett
HF: Edwards Balta Baker
F: Castagna Lynch Martin
R: Nankervis Bolton Graham
Int: Soldo, Sonsie, Ralphsmith, Ross
sub: Dow
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No chance Dimma's love child Aarts gets dropped. He will torment us for at least another 3 games because he will have one half decent/mediocre game soon. Until someone on the match committee is strong enough to tap Dimma on the shoulder and says enough is enough your mate has to go...
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After seeing gws push swans I am now concerned about this game.
With no obvious players to come in or
push up via the afl and our record being 2 from the past 9, our season could be over if we lose this
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I am not as down in the mouth due to the evenness of the competition and also the fact we were actually in front of the match longer than the Blues.
The brain fade 50’s and the inability to stop opposition momentum are the keys.
In some ways, perhaps Jack Graham did us a favour handing them momentum on a platter to wake us up in round 1 rather than escaping with a cheap win and papering over the cracks.
We need energy in that midfield set up. Can’t continue with that rotation in the last q.
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The momentum thing is huge. I remember back in 2017 around mid season, in one of the post match pressers Hardwick praised the team in stopping opposition run ons. He said the team developed a playing style which stopped oppositions from kicking more than 2 consecutive goals and it was actually rare for oppositions to pile on 3 or more straight goals.
That has all about deserted us. I think the mids are the main culprit but true f50 pressure isn’t helping either. Turning it over in D50 more often or not has allowed teams to use the wings and completely burn us on the rebound.
I don’t know how first year players are going to help With that but after Thursday’s performance I am thinking maybe the club were being too cute not picking up
Hobbs
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Sheesh its time to swing the axe. We cannot tolerate such performances from players who lets face it are the usual culprits but rarely get dropped.
Team for me should go
FB: Stack 178/?? - Miller 198/98 - Grimes 193/92
HB: Broad 192/89 - Tarrant - 196/96 - Short 177/??
C: McIntosh 192/89 - Pickett 184/84 - Ralphsmith 188/??
R: Nankervis - 199/104 - Martin 187/90 - Bolton 175/??
HF: Sonsie 181/78 - Balta 194/100 - Cumberland 183/??
FF: Caddy 186/86 - Lynch 199/99 - Edwards 182/82
Int from : Rc-d 191/?? - Baker 176?? - Graham 181/83 - Cotchin 185/85 - Dow 182/?? - Gibcus 196/87
Not sure how many changes that is but you could sure make a case on 4 or 5 others as well.
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Problem though Claw is bringing in so many players who performed poorly at VFL level (including poor onfield attitude in one case) isn't the answer either. The VFL side was flogged by 100 pts before some last quarter junk time goals got the margin under three figures. I'm told, aside from Sonsie, none of the others deserve promotion. If we're going to start gifting games and play the list for playing the list sake then that's a sign we've raised the white flag after only one round and it's full rebuild time. That's something you do in the second half of the season when finals are out of the question.
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Agree MT. Excellent points. I wouldn’t be giving easy games to underperforming VFL players unless they are working back from injury and need some competitive game time
If you can’t excel at vfl level your not going to make it in the AFL
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Is it worth rotating Caddy as an inside mid through the middle. Before you jump on the suggestion please list the players who can step up to at least compete in the middle .
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Sheesh its time to swing the axe. We cannot tolerate such performances from players who lets face it are the usual culprits but rarely get dropped.
Team for me should go
FB: Stack 178/?? - Miller 198/98 - Grimes 193/92
HB: Broad 192/89 - Tarrant - 196/96 - Short 177/??
C: McIntosh 192/89 - Pickett 184/84 - Ralphsmith 188/??
R: Nankervis - 199/104 - Martin 187/90 - Bolton 175/??
HF: Sonsie 181/78 - Balta 194/100 - Cumberland 183/??
FF: Caddy 186/86 - Lynch 199/99 - Edwards 182/82
Int from : Rc-d 191/?? - Baker 176?? - Graham 181/83 - Cotchin 185/85 - Dow 182/?? - Gibcus 196/87
Not sure how many changes that is but you could sure make a case on 4 or 5 others as well.
That’s 7 changes with an additional 4 or 5 more to a team that lost by 4 goals from a team that lost by 100 in the 2’s.
Interesting.
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Agree MT. Excellent points. I wouldn’t be giving easy games to underperforming VFL players unless they are working back from injury and need some competitive game time
If you can’t excel at vfl level your not going to make it in the AFL
And i hate it when they give games to horrid performances in the seniors. It seems they are all out of form not just in the two,s.but ffs at least try to address the areas of concern with players who are right for the role.
Not playing Aarts and Castagna is not about one game its been going on for ages and the same is true for others as well.
Ya never know with enough decent mature players around them some of the vfl players may surprise.
The other thing our vfl team will get belted most games this year imo. Its just too young we dont have any mature types to help them out and have a dearth of players for key roles.
Do the exercise there would only be three players or a handful at most older than 24 including vfl listed players. if we take the attitude that they have to tear it up at vfl this year for weeks on end then very few will get games.
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We also got games into the likes of Stack Dow rcd . Just because they were not picked rnd 1 should it mean they are not considered rnd 2.
Fair dinkum Stack doesnt fold under pressure like Rioli why do we tolerate this sort of crap. No Riewoldt no young tall fwd to play but Caddy can play and may also help in the middle.
It is literally a no brainer Sonsie over both Aarts and Castagna. He had good preseason games why ignore him when just about everyone in the club was off.
The talk by many was to Give Cumberland a game first up well bugger me nothings changed Castagna is putrid.
Prestia out i reckon the best player we have with the best chance of impacting clearances is RCD.
McIntosh no one has a problem bringing him straight back in. pee rioli off.
Miller is purely structural i just like the idea of a KPD who is KPD SIZE to partner Tarrant.
Every year it seems posters are scared of change even after putrid performances by the incumbents, why are we so against giving kids a go after such horrible games.
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We also got games into the likes of Stack Dow rcd . Just because they were not picked rnd 1 should it mean they are not considered rnd 2.
Fair dinkum Stack doesnt fold under pressure like Rioli why do we tolerate this sort of crap. No Riewoldt no young tall fwd to play but Caddy can play and may also help in the middle.
It is literally a no brainer Sonsie over both Aarts and Castagna. He had good preseason games why ignore him when just about everyone in the club was off.
The talk by many was to Give Cumberland a game first up well bugger me nothings changed Castagna is putrid.
Prestia out i reckon the best player we have with the best chance of impacting clearances is RCD.
McIntosh no one has a problem bringing him straight back in. pee rioli off.
Miller is purely structural i just like the idea of a KPD who is KPD SIZE to partner Tarrant.
Every year it seems posters are scared of change even after putrid performances by the incumbents, why are we so against giving kids a go after such horrible games.
not against giving kids a go but what sort of culture is being fostered if the kids you want to promote may be softer than the players your complaining about.
Think about it. If a player is struggling to impact or underperforming at VFL level why would you think he will suddenly be an excellent inclusion at AFL level.
If a player is solid and doing everything the coaches ask then fair enough but he’s stinking it up in the VFL there’s no way he should play AFL.
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Not sure what his tank is like but I'd almost play Balta as a big mid for periods. Not in the ruck, just get him around stoppages and a few centre bounces. We are seriously lacking big bodies around clearances.
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Remember back in 2020 when we played Edwards off the HBF while Houli was injured and he killed it? Probably the last time he played at a consistently high level....two years older now of course -which is ten in football years after 30- but perhaps worth revisiting.... :shh
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Problem though Claw is bringing in so many players who performed poorly at VFL level (including poor onfield attitude in one case) isn't the answer either. The VFL side was flogged by 100 pts before some last quarter junk time goals got the margin under three figures. I'm told, aside from Sonsie, none of the others deserve promotion. If we're going to start gifting games and play the list for playing the list sake then that's a sign we've raised the white flag after only one round and it's full rebuild time. That's something you do in the second half of the season when finals are out of the question.
I maybe wrong but the reports about Dow, Miller and Rioli Jnr were positive and it appears that Stack showed something in the second half. Rioli would address the lack of pressure in the forwardline and bringing in Miller would allow Balta to play up forward. Bringing in Dow may assist with winning clearances. The enormous problem we have is the gulf in experience between our ageing midfield and those who are meant to replace them. As great a player as Dustin is we cannot expect him to carry the team.
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McIntosh will train this week and aim to put his hand up to return for the game at the MCG, while Vlastuin is understood to still be a fortnight away from being available for selection.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/724557/gun-tiger-grounded-by-another-soft-tissue-injury)
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ROUND 2 TEAM:
IN: Miller, Dow, Collier-Dawkins, Sonsie, Caddy
OUT: Riewoldt (Injured), Prestia (Injured), Aarts, Castagna, Ralphsmith (Sub)
B: Gibcus Tarrant Grimes
HB: Short Miller Broad
C: Pickett Dow Graham
HF: Bolton Balta Rioli
F: Sonsie Lynch Baker
R: Nankervis Collier-Dawkins Martin
I: Soldo Cotchin Ross Edwards
Sub: Caddy
:gotigers
Midfield Rotation: 2 - 80% midfield time, 1 - 50%, 1 - 25%
Ross, Collier-Dawkins, Graham, Dow - 80%
Bolton, Baker - 50%
Martin, Edwards, Pickett, Cotchin - 25%
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Team Tips:
Damien Hardwick will be forced to make at least one change to his line up, potentially two, depending on how quickly Jack Riewoldt recovers from thumb surgery. With a 10-day turnaround between games, Riewoldt is in a race to prove his fitness. Dion Prestia is a definite out after scans confirmed his hamstring injury.
Kamdyn McIntosh (calf) should be fit to replace Prestia, although Nick Vlastuin (hamstring) is unlikely to be ready just yet. Matt Parker could be the man to provide some forward line support if Riewoldt doesn’t get up, while Thomson Dow — who had an excellent pre-season —and Riley Collier-Dawkins will also be pushing for selection if the Tigers opt to make any further changes.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-teams-round-2-2022-team-tips-predicted-squads-lineups-injuries-changes-ins-and-outs-supercoach-news-analysis/news-story/1156a9ffda75f553ad571c6e23a6947a
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Remember back in 2020 when we played Edwards off the HBF while Houli was injured and he killed it? Probably the last time he played at a consistently high level....two years older now of course -which is ten in football years after 30- but perhaps worth revisiting.... :shh
Why we have Stack played his best footy there imo, Mansell Banks, Brown with talk of Ralphsmith for the role as well.
Playing Edwards in the back half would just make the problem bigger of getting games into kids in the rightful roles. Fmd Rioli is coasting a kid along with short.
Maybe its as simple as saying Edwards at 33 is past it and its time to play a kid in his place despite the possibilty of a real good game here or there.
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Remember back in 2020 when we played Edwards off the HBF while Houli was injured and he killed it? Probably the last time he played at a consistently high level....two years older now of course -which is ten in football years after 30- but perhaps worth revisiting.... :shh
Why we have Stack played his best footy there imo, Mansell Banks, Brown with talk of Ralphsmith for the role as well.
Playing Edwards in the back half would just make the problem bigger of getting games into kids in the rightful roles. Fmd Rioli is coasting a kid along with short.
Maybe its as simple as saying Edwards at 33 is past it and its time to play a kid in his place despite the possibilty of a real good game here or there.
:cheers
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Was just a suggestion.. more than happy to give any of those kids a go but Banks isn't even fit, I had Brown as sub in my changes but have since heard from several sources that he was quite underwhelming in the VFL, Stack will blow up after half-time this early in the year (maybe he could be the sub -but he needs match time), Mansell's solid enough and can at least defend but lacks creativity IMO and Ralphsmith is a winger/high hff... :shh
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In the Mix: Round 2
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
23 March 2022
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
It might take some rearranging for the Tigers this week with Jack Riewoldt (thumb) set to miss and Dion Prestia out with his hamstring injury. Hugo Ralphsmith was the Tigers' substitute last week and should hold his place, but Thomson Dow, Rhyan Mansell and Matt Parker will be in the mix to play, as will Kamdyn McIntosh coming back from a calf injury that kept him out of round one.
R1 medical substitute: Hugo Ralphsmith (replaced Dion Prestia)
Verdict: Prestia and Riewoldt out for McIntosh and Ralphsmith into the starting 22.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/724554/in-the-mix-r2-who-s-pushing-for-selection-who-s-under-the-pump-
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Team Whispers: Round 2
RICHMOND will almost certainly be without two premiership stars in Jack Riewoldt (thumb) and Dion Prestia (hamstring) for its clash with the Giants.
Kamdyn McIntosh (calf) should be fit to return. Matt Parker could be the man to provide some forward line support, while Thomson Dow and Hugo Ralphsmith are options to come into the 22.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-teams-news-round-2-2022-afl-team-whispers-selection-updates-sam-walsh-adam-cerra-covid/news-story/d6ebeb1904a3d1af072dd7a5659d0db8
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Don't want to see Parker play the kids.
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Yeah bringing in Parker will surely get the supporters up & about...... :sleep
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Yeah bringing in Parker will surely get the supporters up & about...... :sleep
I'm sure Aarts would be happy
Replacement whipping boy
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Yeah I'd still prefer him to Aarts....hell at this point I'd prefer bringing back the likes of Taylor Hunt & Nathan "Flash" Gordon to Aarts... :shh
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Parker is ordinary. Lets see the kids get an extended run. RCD, Miller, Dow, Ralphsmith, Gibcus, Brown for starters.
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Apparently, Dusty is taking a few days off and is in doubt for Sunday? Mitch Cleary twitter ...
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Parker is ordinary. Lets see the kids get an extended run. RCD, Miller, Dow, Ralphsmith, Gibcus, Brown for starters.
I don't want to see us lose with our best 22.
Time to blood the young cubs!
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Don't shoot the messenger but hearing Caddy may be one of the ins :-\. I hope the person (knows a couple of recent ex-Tiger players) who told us is wrong.
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if that happens dimma has lost the plot
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Dan Rioli is a watch and see too. I think he will still play as he completed training today but a couple of times during the session Dan left the main group and visited trainers at the rehab group.
Agree HB and I don't see Caddy coming in myself. Just passing on what I heard.
Rather we go with youth. At least then win or lose there's some long term benefit.
In: Kmac, Dow, Stack, Sonsie.
Out: Riewoldt (inj.), Prestia (inj.), Dusty (personal), Aarts (never again).
B: Gibcus Grimes Broad
HB: Short Tarrant D.Rioli
C: McIntosh Bolton Pickett
HF: Edwards Balta Graham
F: Castagna Lynch Baker
R: Nankervis Cotchin Dow
Int: Soldo, Ross, Stack, Ralphsmith
sub: Sonsie
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Going by Dimma's presser we won't be making any changes beyond those forced.
Dimma said Kmac will come in and Balta to play forward in Jack's role.
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Kamdyn McIntosh (calf) should be fit to return. Matt Parker could be the man to provide some forward line support, while Thomson Dow and Hugo Ralphsmith are options to come into the 22.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-takes-personal-leave-dad-shane-martin-death-lacerated-kidney-injury-richmond-vs-gws-giants/news-story/235a716d31e6d6fc9856f40844c126e5
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Going by Dimma's presser we won't be making any changes beyond those forced.
Dimma said Kmac will come in and Balta to play forward in Jack's role.
...and the other two will be Caddy & Parker..... :biglaugh
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Parker really :banghead get a kid in there.
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Don't shoot the messenger but hearing Caddy may be one of the ins :-\. I hope the person (knows a couple of recent ex-Tiger players) who told us is wrong.
Thankfully it was wrong info :phew.
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FMD you blokes are a bit hard on Caddy I reckon. Has his flaws but the man can play the game. Depending how Riewoldt goes this year I think revisiting Caddy as a KPF for a few weeks is worth a look at some stage
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*could :shh
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FMD you blokes are a bit hard on Caddy I reckon. Has his flaws but the man can play the game. Depending how Riewoldt goes this year I think revisiting Caddy as a KPF for a few weeks is worth a look at some stage
If as a 29 y.o. big-bodied senior player Caddy can't get a game with Jack, Prestia, Floss and likely Dusty missing then he's on the outer. He's a two time Tiger premiership player which no one can take away from him but sadly it looks like his papers are stamped.
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*could :shh
What happened to him... :shh
FMD you blokes are a bit hard on Caddy I reckon. Has his flaws but the man can play the game. Depending how Riewoldt goes this year I think revisiting Caddy as a KPF for a few weeks is worth a look at some stage
If as a 29 y.o. big-bodied senior player Caddy can't get a game with Jack, Prestia, Floss and likely Dusty missing then he's on the outer. He's a two time Tiger premiership player which no one can take away from him but sadly it looks like his papers are stamped.
It certainly looks that way. Looked that way last season when we had a million injuries and blokes spudding it up and they still didn't consider picking him
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We're slow enough, miss enough tackles and give away enough dumb frees and 50's as it is without adding Caddy to the mix... :shh
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Riewoldt aint exactly a 100 metre runner and if fit would play so whats the difference if Caddy plays in his place as far as pace goes.
46 goals in a season imo would be worth revisiting with no Riewoldt. Trouble is they won't pick him we all know it. for whatever reasons it seems he is well and truly on the outer
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They forget we won in 2017 with Jack and Townsend who just competed so the small blokes could swoop, no reason Caddy couldn’t play a similar role especially if Balta is needed down back