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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: wayne on May 09, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
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This is disgusting.
I don't even want to watch these guys play anymore.
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Unfortunately (or fortunately as it turned out) I'm at work and missed today's game. They've even done me the favour of blocking all the internet radio options. It doesn't look pretty though. Its gonna be another long winter.
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Unfortunately (or fortunately as it turned out) I'm at work and missed today's game. They've even done me the favour of blocking all the internet radio options. It doesn't look pretty though. Its gonna be another long winter.
If you see a replay, watch until a few minutes into the second.
Once we kick our 7th goal, switch it off.
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I was going to fly over to see this game.....Thank god I didn't.The only thing we have to look forward to this winter is the Ashes.
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You can't even go along to a game and at least see them have a red hot go.
I'm not wasting my time with a four hour round trip to watch that crap.
I had a choice of Golf Clubs of a DVD recorder for my birthday, I chose the DVD recorder so I could tape the Tigers and watch them over and over.
The only thing I use it for now is to tape Yo Gabba Gabba for my 1 year old daughter.
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If you see a replay, watch until a few minutes into the second.
Once we kick our 7th goal, switch it off.
I'm not sure I will bother at all to be honest.
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Same here Wayne...I fought my wife tooth and nail to get Foxtel IQ so I could really enjoy the Tigers season.What a waste of money!!
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I watched the game on the idiot box and I felt like the idiot watching our team perform badly as per ususal.
If as this post read in the heading we should add Bowden, JON and Tambling in that list to walk away.
More so Bowden as a player with the ammount of game under his belt and making error's like he is, I had to turn off or wreck the tv.
We are the weakest team now in the AFL and again the jokes of it to. And now we have to swing the axe.
As we have too many that are not performing to the level that is needed. And Bowden is the main one.
I thought when Sugar got the captains job it should have got to Bowden but I'm now glad it didn't.
Next week I'm off to Adelaide and I will be going to the Port V us, but I'm thinking an afternoon in the pub might pay more dividens.
But I will go, well the tickets my son got are free. Spos this is a way to get us to game now.
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l'm done watching & supporting the club when they play that type of football
all other clubs have been down & risen
Essendon last night was so pleasing to watch they done it well against a good hawks side
l have never in my life seen any level football played the way Richmond do
stuff Richmond football club they are a disgrace
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l'm done watching & supporting the club when they play that type of football
all other clubs have been down & risen
Essendon last night was so pleasing to watch they done it well against a good hawks side
l have never in my life seen any level football played the way Richmond do
eff Richmond football club they are a disgrace
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matty knights can coach, terry cannot. plain and simple
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if terry wallace had 1 ounce of decency in his over tanned body he would walk and walk now. But he is a thief and has roobed the rfc and its fans for the past 4.5 years.
after half time, the game was disgusting and it amazes me that a 1st year coach could out couch terry wallace who mant believe can coach
terry has no counter punch moves, this game ws just like the bulldogs game, at quarter time looked fantastic, buit then the opposition coach mixes it up a bit, changes tactic and terry poos himself
im sorry to all terry fans, but th ebuck stop swith him, there is no point in him being here right now cos he wont be here next year.
another stuffing wasted season at tigerland
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Typical stuffwit names in this thread......... :help :banghead
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Typical effwit names in this thread......... :help :banghead
are u looking in the mirror? if you are happy with terry and what he has achieved then you are the no1 effwit!!!
stay in WA
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Typical effwit names in this thread......... :help :banghead
are u looking in the mirror? if you are happy with terry and what he has achieved then you are the no1 effwit!!!
stay in WA
Like I said same stuff wits.
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Typical effwit names in this thread......... :help :banghead
are u looking in the mirror? if you are happy with terry and what he has achieved then you are the no1 effwit!!!
stay in WA
Like I said same stuff wits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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back at ya ,
you must be related to terry or were/are is lover
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This is my last post in this thread so go and play with your dolls little girl.... :whistle
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ouch that hurts
while i play with my dolls, you watch replays of every games that terry has coached for us and admire his greatness and success at rebuilding this club :thumbsup you go do that
playing with dolls will be more fun!
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l'm done watching & supporting the club when they play that type of football
all other clubs have been down & risen
Essendon last night was so pleasing to watch they done it well against a good hawks side
l have never in my life seen any level football played the way Richmond do
eff Richmond football club they are a disgrace
totally agree.
I dont ever want to see SPASTICS like Schulz and JON EVER AGAIN
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i am disgusted in what i am reading at the moment, yes we can be disappointed and if you are like me and had ever sang the tiger song at the end of of a game you would know the words 'Through THICK And THIN we will fight" and i will go by those word for as long as i live its the richmond code
all the people saying i am not going to support them!
Geelong would be happy to have you
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i am disgusted in what i am reading at the moment, yes we can be disappointed and if you are like me and had ever sang the tiger song at the end of of a game you would know the words 'Through THICK And THIN we will fight" and i will go by those word for as long as i live its the richmond code
all the people saying i am not going to support them!
Geelong would be happy to have you
Well, you wont be singing it to often this year,
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i am disgusted in what i am reading at the moment, yes we can be disappointed and if you are like me and had ever sang the tiger song at the end of of a game you would know the words 'Through THICK And THIN we will fight" and i will go by those word for as long as i live its the richmond code
all the people saying i am not going to support them!
Geelong would be happy to have you
listen you fool, we support thr rfc , but we dont support terry anymore, he had his chance and he stuffed it
so pee off
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So why is today's game a tipping point for you guys?? Hell I've endured worse during the 80's going to every home game and seeing us lose the majority of them. I think many of you were banking on this year being a good one and yes it cuts you to the core but is it worth giving up?? If I was going to give up it would have been 20 years ago but no I'm in for the long haul regardless of results. Yes losing is hard to take but tomorrow is another day and like every week, next week I hope for a victory.
We have been trying to lay blame on every poor sucker over the last 30 years that has put themselves up to try and achieve success with the club so why should Terry be any different? Its a legacy of our club, its people who say I'm tearing up my membership, sack the coach, sack the coach who are the ones we should be blaming. This culture of eating our own has been happening since our last premiership and until we pull our heads out of our preverbials and start at least being constructive and supportive, we as a club are going nowhere fast and we will continue to be the laughing stock of the AFL
Jackstar is full of crap. He and others like him are a classic example of the type of supporters that are a cancer in our club and until they either change their ways or leave, I fear the losses will continue. Never once have I heard anything constructive come out of their mouths, they just continue to take the easy out and say sack the coach, sack the coach. Well....we have been regularly sacking coaches for the past 30 years and where has it gotten us??? This club has been pandering to our more militant supporters for far too long and it has to stop. The culture of losing in our club is not due to people who have stepped up and had a crack at trying to gain success for us, its the people in the shadows with their knives waiting for them to fall.
The times may change but the song remains the same.....for some.
Go Tigers...Now and forever, regardless of results! :gotigers
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Tiga
Great post.
Yep , i am crap. :lol :clapping :cheers :birthday :birthday :birthday :santa :santa :santa :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
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So why is today's game a tipping point for you guys?? Hell I've endured worse during the 80's going to every home game and seeing us lose the majority of them. I think many of you were banking on this year being a good one and yes it cuts you to the core but is it worth giving up?? If I was going to give up it would have been 20 years ago but no I'm in for the long haul regardless of results. Yes losing is hard to take but tomorrow is another day and like every week, next week I hope for a victory.
We have been trying to lay blame on every poor sucker over the last 30 years that has put themselves up to try and achieve success with the club so why should Terry be any different? Its a legacy of our club, its people who say I'm tearing up my membership, sack the coach, sack the coach who are the ones we should be blaming. This culture of eating our own has been happening since our last premiership and until we pull our heads out of our preverbials and start at least being constructive and supportive, we as a club are going nowhere fast and we will continue to be the laughing stock of the AFL
Jackstar is full of crap. He and others like him are a classic example of the type of supporters that are a cancer in our club and until they either change their ways or leave, I fear the losses will continue. Never once have I heard anything constructive come out of their mouths, they just continue to take the easy out and say sack the coach, sack the coach. Well....we have been regularly sacking coaches for the past 30 years and where has it gotten us??? This club has been pandering to our more militant supporters for far too long and it has to stop. The culture of losing in our club is not due to people who have stepped up and had a crack at trying to gain success for us, its the people in the shadows with their knives waiting for them to fall.
The times may change but the song remains the same.....for some.
Go Tigers...Now and forever, regardless of results! :gotigers
mate you couldn't be any more right :cheers
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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It didn't say you were crap, I said you were full of it. A good dose of epsom salts should see you through and who knows, it may change your whole outlook on life. Oh BTW, your sarcasm is bordering on tedious. Start putting forward positive solutions that are achievable and I will listen, otherwise your rotunda of rhetoric to me is nothing more than white noise.
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So why is today's game a tipping point for you guys?? .......
It's because you watch Friday night and see the Bombers, full of kids and depleted by injury come out and play there guts out, and because they did, things go their way and they get a win over the reigning premiers.
We didn't even turn up for round 1!! The first game of the season and we weren't interested!!
They don't offer any hope, the gameplan is ugly and they really look as though they don't try.
You're right though, i'll be watching the game next week on TV hoping for a win, but probably jumping on here at half-time and asking for Richmond to sack Wallace again. :lol
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So why is today's game a tipping point for you guys?? Hell I've endured worse during the 80's going to every home game and seeing us lose the majority of them. I think many of you were banking on this year being a good one and yes it cuts you to the core but is it worth giving up?? If I was going to give up it would have been 20 years ago but no I'm in for the long haul regardless of results. Yes losing is hard to take but tomorrow is another day and like every week, next week I hope for a victory.
We have been trying to lay blame on every poor sucker over the last 30 years that has put themselves up to try and achieve success with the club so why should Terry be any different? Its a legacy of our club, its people who say I'm tearing up my membership, sack the coach, sack the coach who are the ones we should be blaming. This culture of eating our own has been happening since our last premiership and until we pull our heads out of our preverbials and start at least being constructive and supportive, we as a club are going nowhere fast and we will continue to be the laughing stock of the AFL
Jackstar is full of crap. He and others like him are a classic example of the type of supporters that are a cancer in our club and until they either change their ways or leave, I fear the losses will continue. Never once have I heard anything constructive come out of their mouths, they just continue to take the easy out and say sack the coach, sack the coach. Well....we have been regularly sacking coaches for the past 30 years and where has it gotten us??? This club has been pandering to our more militant supporters for far too long and it has to stop. The culture of losing in our club is not due to people who have stepped up and had a crack at trying to gain success for us, its the people in the shadows with their knives waiting for them to fall.
The times may change but the song remains the same.....for some.
Go Tigers...Now and forever, regardless of results! :gotigers
Listen up tiprat i have never said once i woukld shred my membership because the truth is i Never will.
Footy means everything to me and i hate it when it doesn't work and in Wallet tenure it has not worked.
He is a failure.
To say that its because of certain supporters, that this club has failed is laughable.
IT IS BECAUSE OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US THAT THIS CLUB IS NOT RATTLING THE SAVE OUR SKINS TINNY'S.
We have got nothing back from the support we have given this club and change must happen.
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Teri deserves all he cops after todays coaching effort.
I have personally supported him but the match today was the worst i have seen,
equal to, or possibly worse than the worst of the 1980s.
The coaching staff is abominable and sadly this is a factual reminder of the entire
department being so wrong,so clueless in the arena of modern day football.
Ben Cousins looks a class above the entire team,who by comparison look like a collection of spasticated try not so hards.
Joel Bowden is STILL as fcuked as ever,it's just that today he was unable to statistically justify his ineptness and turnover rate.
The fact that such a seasoned,supposed leader of the club produces a soul ripping,weekly standard of football is testament to the fact,we ARE the worst team in the comp.
Thankfully i dont really give as much of a fahq as i once did and as such,am actually now able to snicker at the embarassing quality of football these guys produce.
Riewoldt is so over rated by you guys it's a joke but scarily this is the way the club feels also.
Mitch Morton was dropped and JON was left in.
I'm sorry but that screams of NFI!
Sparky could have kicked 5 today.
This time last year i would have been severely depressed but this year I'm actually laughing at it.
They have it all wrong from nearly every perspective and are too arrogant to see it.....
LMAO@ The Basket Case known as the RFC.
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So why is today's game a tipping point for you guys?? Hell I've endured worse during the 80's going to every home game and seeing us lose the majority of them. I think many of you were banking on this year being a good one and yes it cuts you to the core but is it worth giving up?? If I was going to give up it would have been 20 years ago but no I'm in for the long haul regardless of results. Yes losing is hard to take but tomorrow is another day and like every week, next week I hope for a victory.
We have been trying to lay blame on every poor sucker over the last 30 years that has put themselves up to try and achieve success with the club so why should Terry be any different? Its a legacy of our club, its people who say I'm tearing up my membership, sack the coach, sack the coach who are the ones we should be blaming. This culture of eating our own has been happening since our last premiership and until we pull our heads out of our preverbials and start at least being constructive and supportive, we as a club are going nowhere fast and we will continue to be the laughing stock of the AFL
Jackstar is full of crap. He and others like him are a classic example of the type of supporters that are a cancer in our club and until they either change their ways or leave, I fear the losses will continue. Never once have I heard anything constructive come out of their mouths, they just continue to take the easy out and say sack the coach, sack the coach. Well....we have been regularly sacking coaches for the past 30 years and where has it gotten us??? This club has been pandering to our more militant supporters for far too long and it has to stop. The culture of losing in our club is not due to people who have stepped up and had a crack at trying to gain success for us, its the people in the shadows with their knives waiting for them to fall.
The times may change but the song remains the same.....for some.
Go Tigers...Now and forever, regardless of results! :gotigers
Great post
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Listen up tiprat i have never said once i woukld shred my membership because the truth is i Never will.
Footy means everything to me and i hate it when it doesn't work and in Wallet tenure it has not worked.
He is a failure.
To say that its because of certain supporters, that this club has failed is laughable.
IT IS BECAUSE OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US THAT THIS CLUB IS NOT RATTLING THE SAVE OUR SKINS TINNY'S.
We have got nothing back from the support we have given this club and change must happen.
Tiprat??? Nice opening...You must be proud of that one! You will have to lend me your book of insults as I am obviously fighting well below my weight and need all the help I can get! I see you are suffering the pangs of guilt by association. But that's okay if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. We all need a place to wallow I guess.
So...Daniel, or should I say X, x-cited or xXx or whatever you have called yourself previously, I can see you are passionate for the club, something I have never doubted and yes, I'm sure the losses do cut you to the core just like me, but lets be honest here, you don't offer much when it comes to constructive solutions and you never have. You go and be the angry red faced man in the corner with the veins bursting out of your head with nothing better to do than contradict yourself on a regular basis and spout anti-coach drivel ad nauseam. If you find it theraputic, then who am I to stop you but don't expect me accept anything you write as being credible. If you feel that contributing financially to the club somehow absolves you of these sins then you are sadly mistaken.
Regarding your financial support of the club, why have you for all these years apparently been putting Premium fuel into a Lada Samara expecting high performance and only just now wondering why you didn't buy a ferrari in the first place?? You have been supporting the club long enough to know what you have signed on for. For better or worse you of all people should know that coach sacking has done nothing for us in the past and it won't do anything for our future. You and the other Veruca Salt's in our club and the culture you create are the very reason why we are where we are. "I want a premiership Daddy!!! I want it and I want it now!!!" Sorry Pal, but if you haven't realised by now, there ain't no golden ticket waiting for you at punt road no matter how much you contribute financially to the club. And if that is all you are after then maybe your money and support might be better directed towards Crown Casino.
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your right about one thing tiprat sacking coaches hasn't done anything for our coub and the reason being is they are all poo.
Now if you had an IQ of more than 5 you would be able to see that 2.
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sacking wallace now wont hurt the club, it will allow us to get a head start for next yr. wallace coaching ti th eend is a total waste of time and the players know it to and play like they dont care. the only game they really cared about was cogs comeback and they won.
im with Brackets, last year ws depressing, now i just sit back and laugh , it is pure comedy how poo we are
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walking out of the ground yesterday was like walking out of a funeral
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walking out of the ground yesterday was like walking out of a funeral
worse than that
it was like walking away from something you dearly love but is dying a real slow painful death due to a disease that is so painful and crippling with no cure
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walking out of the ground yesterday was like walking out of a funeral
worse than that
it was like walking away from something you dearly love but is dying a real slow painful death due to a disease that is so painful and crippling with no cure
You are correct
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
Moi im going to be try to be very civil in my reply to your comments.
cant you see that he didn't set out what he said he would do. Okay he let a few blokes go but gee how about these names.
Mcmahon
Kingsley
Thompson
Hislop
Graham
Bowden
a complete and utter waste of time which suggests he in year 3, he saw this list as a top up rather than a re build.
Now any person who has half a brain knew Schulz was not a good fit so why did we keep him???
Our new coach needs to stand up and make some hard calls to get max draft picks so goodbye
Foley- Pick 10-20
Raines-Pick 20-30
Schulz-Pick 300-600
JON- Ditto
Edwards-Little league
Polak-Sorry but see ya later
Simmo
Brown
Bowden
Sugar
The reason we are a farce right now is your right, development, recruitment and the coaching staff.
I have banged on about how skinny our players are and its a farce really.
We get brushed aside by most teams in the comp and i just cant see why they are not drilled off season in the weights room.
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
Moi im going to be try to be very civil in my reply to your comments.
cant you see that he didn't set out what he said he would do. Okay he let a few blokes go but gee how about these names.
Mcmahon
Kingsley
Thompson
Hislop
Graham
Bowden
a complete and utter waste of time which suggests he in year 3, he saw this list as a top up rather than a re build.
Now any person who has half a brain knew Schulz was not a good fit so why did we keep him???
Our new coach needs to stand up and make some hard calls to get max draft picks so goodbye
Foley- Pick 10-20
Raines-Pick 20-30
Schulz-Pick 300-600
JON- Ditto
Edwards-Little league
Polak-Sorry but see ya later
Simmo
Brown
Bowden
Sugar
The reason we are a farce right now is your right, development, recruitment and the coaching staff.
I have banged on about how skinny our players are and its a farce really.
We get brushed aside by most teams in the comp and i just cant see why they are not drilled off season in the weights room.
Since when was he responsible for Hislop and Thompson? Weren't recruiting matters taken out of his hands? Be fair for once, Daniel. He may be responsible for onfield, but those brainiacs like Tony Free took recruiting out of his hands.
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I have banged on about how skinny our players are and its a farce really.
We get brushed aside by most teams in the comp and i just cant see why they are not drilled off season in the weights room.
This is a blight on the club. In fact, it's an area where Wallace has my sympathy.
It's an absolute disgrace that it got to year five and still we're the same as when he started in his first year.
March should stuff off as well IMO for letting this go so far.
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I have banged on about how skinny our players are and its a farce really.
We get brushed aside by most teams in the comp and i just cant see why they are not drilled off season in the weights room.
This is a blight on the club. In fact, it's an area where Wallace has my sympathy.
It's an absolute disgrace that it got to year five and still we're the same as when he started in his first year.
March should eff off as well IMO for letting this go so far.
Yes your right it wasn't Wallace fault for last years draft picks which is why we need a total clean out.
If we have recruiters who still persist with the hope rejects might come good then we have problems.
stuff paying rejects from other clubs how about we spend that money on development.
Collingwood prime example. Have a look at Dane Swan, Leon Davis, John Anthony, Nathan Brown.
Actually have a look at their whole list bar Dale Thomas.
One of the top tackling teams in the league, because they are built to play football.
Our team is made to play little league with oranges coming at half time.
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moi, you are correct, its not just terrys fault, thats why we need a clean sweep
new pres, new board and 15 new players
need to start fresh and really strip the club back to the bone
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What a stupid comment, what club turns over 15 players, you have not got any smarter over night have you TT!!!! New pres... new board.... go and take your meds. If and again I say IF a new coach comes in it will take him 2-3 yeary to turn over the list. WAKE UP boy.
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it is Wallace fault
you dont play a player like Edwards who is not AFL standard. his a weakling
a half done Cotchin would have proved better, even Pettifier.
please get rid of Rewoldt
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Gee stop press TT I actually agree with you regarding Edwards......... and thats where it stops mate.... :thumbsup
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish. I know these names have been brought up before but it is totally clear to me that TW was looking after himself when drafting/trading these players-
Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Mark Graham- 30 odd year old for the there and then. (Disgracful selection)
Trent Knoble- another discard with the thought of instant output.
Now thats just in his first few months at the club. Sure he drafted some kids as well but when rebuilding you draft ALL kids not top-up players.
Patrick Bowden- picked to play asap. Had a good year but blind Fredy could see he was not drafted to be in our next premiership.
Jeremy Humm- discard from West Coast.
Graham Polak- played some good games for us but was traded for an early draft pick and possibly a good kid who could have been playing yesterday.
Kent Kinsley- Total disgrace of a pick. You can not tell me this was for the future of the club.
Jordan McMahon- again traded for an early draft pick for a quick fix. Weak, skinny and overated. Horrible selection and cannot even cement his spot in our very ordinary side.
Mitch Morton- another discard that has been ok BUT was dropped for yesterdays game and is a selfish player and who knows what will come of him. Quick fix in TW thoughts again.
Tristian Cartledge- Bomber discard that Terry thought he could make something of. Fail!
Adam Thomson- another mid draft selection traded away for another discard. (Cocko does not give away good players that easily) Cannot even get a game in a side with one win on the board, time will tell but am not holding my breath.
Tom Hislop- another Bomber discard that has shown not a great deal. Still early days but will bet he will be a waste of a draft pick.
Now if i have missed anybody i apoligise, but i think this clearly shows that TW had other things on his mind other than a rebuild. To say he has had "balls" is an utter joke and it only shows that he has "balls things up"
I also hope like you that the next coach has the RFC sustainable future in mind and sticks to it after they get appointed! It is pretty easy to say it but even harder to stick to it. I also hope the next coach has a game plan that lets us as supporters enjoy the game even if we get beat, a game plan that is exciting with run and carry and long kicking and goal scoring and none of this kicking sideways CRAP!!!
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish. I know these names have been brought up before but it is totally clear to me that TW was looking after himself when drafting/trading these players-
Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Mark Graham- 30 odd year old for the there and then. (Disgracful selection)
Trent Knoble- another discard with the thought of instant output.
Now thats just in his first few months at the club. Sure he drafted some kids as well but when rebuilding you draft ALL kids not top-up players.
Patrick Bowden- picked to play asap. Had a good year but blind Fredy could see he was not drafted to be in our next premiership.
Jeremy Humm- discard from West Coast.
Graham Polak- played some good games for us but was traded for an early draft pick and possibly a good kid who could have been playing yesterday.
Kent Kinsley- Total disgrace of a pick. You can not tell me this was for the future of the club.
Jordan McMahon- again traded for an early draft pick for a quick fix. Weak, skinny and overated. Horrible selection and cannot even cement his spot in our very ordinary side.
Mitch Morton- another discard that has been ok BUT was dropped for yesterdays game and is a selfish player and who knows what will come of him. Quick fix in TW thoughts again.
Tristian Cartledge- Bomber discard that Terry thought he could make something of. Fail!
Adam Thomson- another mid draft selection traded away for another discard. (Cocko does not give away good players that easily) Cannot even get a game in a side with one win on the board, time will tell but am not holding my breath.
Tom Hislop- another Bomber discard that has shown not a great deal. Still early days but will bet he will be a waste of a draft pick.
Now if i have missed anybody i apoligise, but i think this clearly shows that TW had other things on his mind other than a rebuild. To say he has had "balls" is an utter joke and it only shows that he has "balls things up"
I also hope like you that the next coach has the RFC sustainable future in mind and sticks to it after they get appointed! It is pretty easy to say it but even harder to stick to it. I also hope the next coach has a game plan that lets us as supporters enjoy the game even if we get beat, a game plan that is exciting with run and carry and long kicking and goal scoring and none of this kicking sideways CRAP!!!
excellent post. we drafted poo again & l'm having more nightmares for years to come
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Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish.
What's with everyone being civil business, never stopped none of you before from saying what you thought ::)
He may have topped up with a few, but his primary aim was to turn over the list with a new group of kids coming through. He achieved that, but were they the right kids. Have they been given every opportunity to develop? They're the questions that should be asked, but everyone wants to pigeonhole one bloke and not look at the bigger picture.
Recruiting
Development
Coaching
Administration
Mentoring
I'm sure there's more than just Terry Wallace.
I agree with everyone who says he should go. It hasn't worked, but stop this crap about him recruiting Bowden and McMahon and look at other things. Not only is it boring, you're missing the greater picture and what we really need to do. You don't like it, don't just sit there and bag unmercifully or bring up the same garbage every time, offer some suggestions about how we can do things better would be a better way to go methinks.
Now the players coming through, if all of them played like Alex Rance did yesterday, head over the ball and going hard, take no prisoners, we will be a better club :thumbsup
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish. I know these names have been brought up before but it is totally clear to me that TW was looking after himself when drafting/trading these players-
Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Mark Graham- 30 odd year old for the there and then. (Disgracful selection)
Trent Knoble- another discard with the thought of instant output.
Now thats just in his first few months at the club. Sure he drafted some kids as well but when rebuilding you draft ALL kids not top-up players.
Patrick Bowden- picked to play asap. Had a good year but blind Fredy could see he was not drafted to be in our next premiership.
Jeremy Humm- discard from West Coast.
Graham Polak- played some good games for us but was traded for an early draft pick and possibly a good kid who could have been playing yesterday.
Kent Kinsley- Total disgrace of a pick. You can not tell me this was for the future of the club.
Jordan McMahon- again traded for an early draft pick for a quick fix. Weak, skinny and overated. Horrible selection and cannot even cement his spot in our very ordinary side.
Mitch Morton- another discard that has been ok BUT was dropped for yesterdays game and is a selfish player and who knows what will come of him. Quick fix in TW thoughts again.
Tristian Cartledge- Bomber discard that Terry thought he could make something of. Fail!
Adam Thomson- another mid draft selection traded away for another discard. (Cocko does not give away good players that easily) Cannot even get a game in a side with one win on the board, time will tell but am not holding my breath.
Tom Hislop- another Bomber discard that has shown not a great deal. Still early days but will bet he will be a waste of a draft pick.
Now if i have missed anybody i apoligise, but i think this clearly shows that TW had other things on his mind other than a rebuild. To say he has had "balls" is an utter joke and it only shows that he has "balls things up"
I also hope like you that the next coach has the RFC sustainable future in mind and sticks to it after they get appointed! It is pretty easy to say it but even harder to stick to it. I also hope the next coach has a game plan that lets us as supporters enjoy the game even if we get beat, a game plan that is exciting with run and carry and long kicking and goal scoring and none of this kicking sideways CRAP!!!
Big Tone.
Great post.
And then add the ratshit game plan of 10 metres sideways backwards kicks. :banghead
Tell you this, coaches can ruin players, as this is the case as Punt Road. Foley running around in circles yesterday WTF.
Terry must go now.
Why ?
As players such as Nahas who actually ran straight through the corridor and kicked long to the top of the square will catch the current "" cancer "" that the other players have.
Had enough of Reiedwoldt too, OVERATED.
I never want to see Schulz and JON EVER again.
Better off playing players such as Putt etc. and giving guys there first game, give everyone on the list a game and see what we have
Look at Matty Knights people ;)
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Now remember jack we were rubbished about Matty Knights
They played excellent football friday night.
He learnt dont play injured players
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Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish.
What's with everyone being civil business, never stopped none of you before from saying what you thought ::)
He may have topped up with a few, but his primary aim was to turn over the list with a new group of kids coming through. He achieved that, but were they the right kids. Have they been given every opportunity to develop? They're the questions that should be asked, but everyone wants to pigeonhole one bloke and not look at the bigger picture.
Recruiting
Development
Coaching
Administration
Mentoring
I'm sure there's more than just Terry Wallace.
I agree with everyone who says he should go. It hasn't worked, but stop this crap about him recruiting Bowden and McMahon and look at other things. Not only is it boring, you're missing the greater picture and what we really need to do. You don't like it, don't just sit there and bag unmercifully or bring up the same garbage every time, offer some suggestions about how we can do things better would be a better way to go methinks.
Now the players coming through, if all of them played like Alex Rance did yesterday, head over the ball and going hard, take no prisoners, we will be a better club :thumbsup
What we can do is HOLD ON TO OUR stuffin PICKS FFS.
its not rocket science is it???
Put our players under 60kgs through the gym and if they cant put on weight then off you go. Sick to death of seeing David Bourke lookalikes running in circles.
Another thing no more articles about how we are flying, how training the house down Tambling is flying, no more about how good the young kids are playing. NO MORE. JUST PLAY FOOTY FFS.
This game plan though is the worst i have seen since the 80's. Its all Wallrt and his mates who are steering the players to play this sidewats rubbish.
Its not March's game plan its Wallace.
What amazes me is how you did not see this coming from a years back MOI. We still cant beat top 8 sides. FACT.
Last year everyone was pumped because we beat Hawks but there was a reason we could beat no one else and thats because this list aint good enough.
That win against them turned out to be a farce because guess who won the flag, THEY DID.
This list is worse than when he took over. Worst because he has more young players in there that CANT play. The young players are VFL players at best.
He held onto rejects and recruited more top ups. Now if thats rebuilding then your kidding yourself.
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish. I know these names have been brought up before but it is totally clear to me that TW was looking after himself when drafting/trading these players-
Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Mark Graham- 30 odd year old for the there and then. (Disgracful selection)
Trent Knoble- another discard with the thought of instant output.
Now thats just in his first few months at the club. Sure he drafted some kids as well but when rebuilding you draft ALL kids not top-up players.
Patrick Bowden- picked to play asap. Had a good year but blind Fredy could see he was not drafted to be in our next premiership.
Jeremy Humm- discard from West Coast.
Graham Polak- played some good games for us but was traded for an early draft pick and possibly a good kid who could have been playing yesterday.
Kent Kinsley- Total disgrace of a pick. You can not tell me this was for the future of the club.
Jordan McMahon- again traded for an early draft pick for a quick fix. Weak, skinny and overated. Horrible selection and cannot even cement his spot in our very ordinary side.
Mitch Morton- another discard that has been ok BUT was dropped for yesterdays game and is a selfish player and who knows what will come of him. Quick fix in TW thoughts again.
Tristian Cartledge- Bomber discard that Terry thought he could make something of. Fail!
Adam Thomson- another mid draft selection traded away for another discard. (Cocko does not give away good players that easily) Cannot even get a game in a side with one win on the board, time will tell but am not holding my breath.
Tom Hislop- another Bomber discard that has shown not a great deal. Still early days but will bet he will be a waste of a draft pick.
Now if i have missed anybody i apoligise, but i think this clearly shows that TW had other things on his mind other than a rebuild. To say he has had "balls" is an utter joke and it only shows that he has "balls things up"
I also hope like you that the next coach has the RFC sustainable future in mind and sticks to it after they get appointed! It is pretty easy to say it but even harder to stick to it. I also hope the next coach has a game plan that lets us as supporters enjoy the game even if we get beat, a game plan that is exciting with run and carry and long kicking and goal scoring and none of this kicking sideways CRAP!!!
Big Tone.
Great post.
And then add the ratpoo game plan of 10 metres sideways backwards kicks. :banghead
Tell you this, coaches can ruin players, as this is the case as Punt Road. Foley running around in circles yesterday WTF.
Terry must go now.
Why ?
As players such as Nahas who actually ran straight through the corridor and kicked long to the top of the square will catch the current "" cancer "" that the other players have.
Had enough of Reiedwoldt too, OVERATED.
I never want to see Schulz and JON EVER again.
Better off playing players such as Putt etc. and giving guys there first game, give everyone on the list a game and see what we have
Look at Matty Knights people ;)
Agreed, where is PUTT? Third season on our list and have not seen hide nor hair of him. He is tall and put on some size this year, he moves really well for a big bloke so why not throw him into the mix. We can bag the over 30's but we also need these kids to start pushing them out. Rance has been great and so has Colins, play these kids and maybe they might surprise!
Aso the other thing about us is the way we bring the ball into the forward line. No wonder the likes of Jack and Jay and even JON cannot get a kick, we stuff around with the ball so much in the back half the opositon must just rub their hands together and think 'how easy is this'
All we want to see is our players running forward, taking them on and having ago, i can live with the turnovers as long as we try and kick a winning score. Just like the Bombers!
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Now remember jack we were rubbished about Matty Knights
They played excellent football friday night.
He learnt dont play injured players
Hey Monk,
You should see the Private Messages I received in regards to my thoughts on Matty Knights and Essendon.
people saying I had no idea and that we were miles ahead of Essendon and my views were purely personal,
They also said that Essendon would be on the bottom for years and I had no idea.
GUESS WHAT . Monk .
Matty Knights has a plan and its working.
The same applies for Wayne Campbell
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Now remember jack we were rubbished about Matty Knights
They played excellent football friday night.
He learnt dont play injured players
Hey Monk,
You should see the Private Messages I received in regards to my thoughts on Matty Knights and Essendon.
people saying I had no idea and that we were miles ahead of Essendon and my views were purely personal,
They also said that Essendon would be on the bottom for years and I had no idea.
GUESS WHAT . Monk .
Matty Knights has a plan and its working.
The same applies for Wayne Campbell
Based on the fact you could get your job back that Campbell's a good coach? :rollin
Has he coached at any level?
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Did Clarkson.?
Wouldnt matter.
Cambo thoughts on coaching will see a dramatic improvement when he takes over.
At least we will play on at all costs and have players isloated inside F 50.
At least we will kick goals in a game of footy and not play the game in our D50 each week.
Essendon were fantastic on friday night.
All they want to do is keep it simple
Run and carry and take the opposition in the corridor.
Thats what we should do.
Footy is a simple game.
Clowns like Wallace need to justify there $500,000 a year. :banghead
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If we didn't keep having injuries we might be able to field a team comparable to the Bombers.
They are just as crap as us, Jack
You get on board every time they win a game but nowhere to be seen when they lose
Same with when we win, you're nowhere to be found :rollin
We were rudderless yesterday. We have no-one down forward presenting leads, hence us going in circles.
Don't know why they dropped Morton, he was no worse than anyone else and he at least has a go.
Does Terry pick the team or was that taken out of his hands too?
I really don't know what's going on down there, but I don't think it's all Wallace's doing.
Players play great and direct in the first quarter, the rest of the game they don't
Don't think Wallace told them to play like that.
But I agree he has to go now, just so we can salvage something for the year
But if you put Cambo in as coach, there's no way his mate Free is going to not appoint him at the end of the year as permanent coach.
If you really cared about Richmond, Jack, you'd want the best available,
And is that Cambo?
I doubt it
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Terry picks the team which is picked on a Monday arvo( give or take injuried players)
Terry does have different styles of play, although he likes to defend games rather than attack ( noticable by the constant chipping around )
Moi, as soon as Brisbane got 2 goals in arow, the team went defensive, he sends players back behind the ball thus the chip chip chip style comes into play- the rest is history -150 possesions to get the next goal, IT AINT THE PLAYERS FAULT.
The game is then played IN OUR D50. as you seen yesterday, when we did go forward , there was no one to kick too
I dont know if Cambo is long term, have to suck it and see I think.
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Whoever coaches RFC needs to put the broom through the player list IMMEDIATELY. This is one of the reasons why Wallace will lose his job, the first 3 years he didnt get rid of enough players. Whoever coaches Richmond should be looking at atleast 4 senior players getting the arse (only Richo and Cousins) have something to offer, they should try for some player for player trades, guys like Houlihan who is on WCEs list is playing good footy at the WAFL level, Djekurra wont see any major game time at Geelong, we need 2 or 3 of these trades- player for player, anyone who survives that process who cant kick like King should be delisted. 10 Changes is the Minimum.
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I dont know if Cambo is long term, have to suck it and see I think.
We've all agreed we probably need a change of coach
Let's all try and work out the best one, not someone who is your mate.
If Cambo wants to coach, let him go and do an apprenticeship.
And then if he was doing well, I'd be more than happy to give him a go
He's no Buckley, Voss or Hird who would automatically get a gig if they chose to
Well, he shouldn't be, but he is being considered which is baffliing to me
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This is one of the reasons why Wallace will lose his job, the first 3 years he didnt get rid of enough players.
He did get rid of them, Ramps
Such a lame argument which gets churned out.
Oh yes, I know he recruited McMahon and Bowden
Please don't tell me again.
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must say this.
The beginning of the end was the way he handled both Gaspar and Kellaway.
Internally it was poor.
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Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish.
What's with everyone being civil business, never stopped none of you before from saying what you thought ::)
He may have topped up with a few, but his primary aim was to turn over the list with a new group of kids coming through. He achieved that, but were they the right kids. Have they been given every opportunity to develop? They're the questions that should be asked, but everyone wants to pigeonhole one bloke and not look at the bigger picture.
Recruiting
Development
Coaching
Administration
Mentoring
I'm sure there's more than just Terry Wallace.
I agree with everyone who says he should go. It hasn't worked, but stop this crap about him recruiting Bowden and McMahon and look at other things. Not only is it boring, you're missing the greater picture and what we really need to do. You don't like it, don't just sit there and bag unmercifully or bring up the same garbage every time, offer some suggestions about how we can do things better would be a better way to go methinks.
Now the players coming through, if all of them played like Alex Rance did yesterday, head over the ball and going hard, take no prisoners, we will be a better club :thumbsup
Your right it is boring letting you know names to back up a debate. Maybe it's time for you to read your original post about TW going down the rebuild path shyt and doing things for the RFC not himself crap, sorry to bring facts into it.
And also about the "greater picture" i'm pretty sure the drafting and trading of players is a pretty f@#king big picture in the endevours to try and improve!
I hope that is not civil enough for you.
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must say this.
The beginning of the end was the way he handled both Gaspar and Kellaway.
Internally it was poor.
If he kept them you'd be whinging we didn't play the kids.
Can't have it both ways
Their time was up.
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Your right it is boring letting you know names to back up a debate. Maybe it's time for you to read your original post about TW going down the rebuild path shyt and doing things for the RFC not himself crap, sorry to bring facts into it.
And also about the "greater picture" i'm pretty sure the drafting and trading of players is a pretty f@#king big picture in the endevours to try and improve!
I hope that is not civil enough for you.
You're not worth giving an argument back.
Just read my past posts
I don't shy away from them
I still support Wallace having a go and what he did
Only your type would still want big fat Billy Nicholls running around
I was glad to see the end of the players Wallace inherited.
But through no support from the club - ie development, recruiting, backstabbing behind the scenes, it is no surprise it didn't work.
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Paul Hudson :thumbsup
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must say this.
The beginning of the end was the way he handled both Gaspar and Kellaway.
Internally it was poor.
If he kept them you'd be whinging we didn't play the kids.
Can't have it both ways
Their time was up.
Their time wasnt up, although the recuiting of Kingsley ,Graham, Knobell didnt help the situation.
You have to realise a few things.
Wallet used Gaspar as a mentor for the younger players.
The young players looked up to Gas and Chubba.
They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.
We dont play younger players now do we ?
have had enough of schulz etc etc.
We should play Putt, Browne( what happened to him after round 1 )
Where is Thursfield ??
And blood all players that havent played, at least you know what you have ready or not ready.
Essendon as an example dont have any trouble giving young players a game who arent ready.
They usually get sucked along with the Hype and they play okay.
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get over Gasper. he got shafted by Richmond when he was most needed around the club to teach the youngsters the game
l will send you a picture of him in my backyard playing footy with my kids if that helps. his enjoying life away from the Tigers
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Monk, thats right
We chopped players who bled yellow and black for one of terrys friend PAUL HUDSON. WTF
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Monk, thats right
We chopped players who bled yellow and black for one of terrys friend PAUL HUDSON. WTF
Everyone on here was praising Paul Hudson the other day
Hard to keep up with you guys lol :rollin
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get over Gasper. he got shafted by Richmond when he was most needed around the club to teach the youngsters the game
l will send you a picture of him in my backyard playing footy with my kids if that helps. his enjoying life away from the Tigers
Your right .
Gas was there to teach the younger players.
I remember talking to Will and Dave Rodan one day that the player they respected alot and learnt alot from was Gas.
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Monk, thats right
We chopped players who bled yellow and black for one of terrys friend PAUL HUDSON. WTF
Everyone on here was praising Paul Hudson the other day
Hard to keep up with you guys lol :rollin
Moi, as a player he was finished when he got to us. Was thankfull for a years salary
As a coach, he is at Collingwood as an assistant
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Monk, thats right
We chopped players who bled yellow and black for one of terrys friend PAUL HUDSON. WTF
Everyone on here was praising Paul Hudson the other day
Hard to keep up with you guys lol :rollin
Moi, as a player he was finished when he got to us. Was thankfull for a years salary
As a coach, he is at Collingwood as an assistant
So you're blaming Wallace for Frawley picking him up?
I've heard it all :banghead
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They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.
For memory he was going to drop Gaspar back to Coburg. He didn't chop him - Gaspar walked away rather than sticking it out, Gaspar made the choice.
And big tone... it is Putts 2nd season not third
Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...
One of the saddest things is we will have a new coach in 2010 and he will no doubt get us either into the 8 or close to it in 2010 and so many people will say he is a genius and our saviour. But pounds to peanuts within 3 years we will be where are now and the same people lauding him will baying for his blood when the baying should be for some our players the senior ones in particular who show no leadership and I question whether they really give a stuff
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Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...
Exactly he is gone anyway, no finals 2009 no TW it is/was plain and simple. It seems like people just want revenge or to have humiliation visited upon TW.
He is not winning us games at the moment and if we miss finals that is probably exactly what we want, ie better draft picks.
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He and others like him are a classic example of the type of supporters that are a cancer in our club and until they either change their ways or leave, I fear the losses will continue. Never once have I heard anything constructive come out of their mouths, they just continue to take the easy out and say sack the coach, sack the coach. Well....we have been regularly sacking coaches for the past 30 years and where has it gotten us??? This club has been pandering to our more militant supporters for far too long and it has to stop. The culture of losing in our club is not due to people who have stepped up and had a crack at trying to gain success for us, its the people in the shadows with their knives waiting for them to fall.
The times may change but the song remains the same.....for some.
Go Tigers...Now and forever, regardless of results! :gotigers
Great post tiga
And for the bit I've highlighted never has a truer word been spoken
The faceless cowards who see this CLub as their own personal possession with their knives stabbing away will always hold this Club back
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They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.
For memory he was going to drop Gaspar back to Coburg. He didn't chop him - Gaspar walked away rather than sticking it out, Gaspar made the choice.
And big tone... it is Putts 2nd season not third
Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...
One of the saddest things is we will have a new coach in 2010 and he will no doubt get us either into the 8 or close to it in 2010 and so many people will say he is a genius and our saviour. But pounds to peanuts within 3 years we will be where are now and the same people lauding him will baying for his blood when the baying should be for some our players the senior ones in particular who show no leadership and I question whether they really give a stuff
GREAT post WP, some of you eat your own idiot's need to read this post over and over and over again!!!!
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He and others like him are a classic example of the type of supporters that are a cancer in our club and until they either change their ways or leave, I fear the losses will continue. Never once have I heard anything constructive come out of their mouths, they just continue to take the easy out and say sack the coach, sack the coach. Well....we have been regularly sacking coaches for the past 30 years and where has it gotten us??? This club has been pandering to our more militant supporters for far too long and it has to stop. The culture of losing in our club is not due to people who have stepped up and had a crack at trying to gain success for us, its the people in the shadows with their knives waiting for them to fall.
The times may change but the song remains the same.....for some.
Go Tigers...Now and forever, regardless of results! :gotigers
Great post tiga
And for the bit I've highlighted never has a truer word been spoken
The faceless cowards who see this CLub as their own personal possession with their knives stabbing away will always hold this Club back
So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)
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So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)
Jack - I have been incredibly clear on this whole issue all the way through.
I believe the contract should be honoured. My view on this has not and will not change.
Can I make it any clearer?
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So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)
Jack - I have been incredibly clear on this whole issue all the way through.
I believe the contract should be honoured. My view on this has not and will not change.
Can I make it any clearer?
If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.
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So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)
Jack - I have been incredibly clear on this whole issue all the way through.
I believe the contract should be honoured. My view on this has not and will not change.
Can I make it any clearer?
If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.
Time to appoint one of our own.
Give Cambo the caretaker job (round 12 onwards).
Make a decision at the end of the season; Cambo or Malthouse.
:outtahere
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They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.
For memory he was going to drop Gaspar back to Coburg. He didn't chop him - Gaspar walked away rather than sticking it out, Gaspar made the choice.
And big tone... it is Putts 2nd season not third
Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...
One of the saddest things is we will have a new coach in 2010 and he will no doubt get us either into the 8 or close to it in 2010 and so many people will say he is a genius and our saviour. But pounds to peanuts within 3 years we will be where are now and the same people lauding him will baying for his blood when the baying should be for some our players the senior ones in particular who show no leadership and I question whether they really give a stuff
In 1997 Melbourne sacked Neil Balme after round 9. They got Neale Daniher good candidate.
In 1998 Brisbane sacked John Northey after 12 games. Roger Merrett took over for the rest of the year and Leigh Matthews was appointed.
In 2000 St Kilda sacked Tim Watson but although he saw out the year Blight was appointed.
In 2001 Drum was sa cked mid season at Freo with Ben Allan taking over. Connolly was appointed at the end of the year. Has taken them to their only two finals series.
In 2002 Rodney Eade got the sack mid year. Roos got the gig and won 6 from 10 games and alot more in the next few years.
In 2004 Ayres got the flick from the Crows mid season. Craig is still there coaching.
In 2007 Pagan got the chop late in the year. They tanked and although they still have problems with their list they are a 14 goal better team than us.
Sheeds got the flick after round 16 he stayed on till the end of the year and Knighters took over but gee I hope we don't spend another generation trying to lure an ex Tiger to Punt Rd from Essendon.
If done correctly now we can be seen as humane. Humanely tell Wallace you won't get another contract but stay till the end of the year. This will at least reflect well when we interview prospective candidates for the full time gig next year. If he really "loves the club, and the job he has undertaken in the last 5 years and its players" he'll stick it out with dignity and at least bow out with humility and respect, if not he can walk out and tell all to a clambering media about how bad we are and he did not have the support and RFC is an unprofessional organisation blah blah blah and he was the one who was wronged.
Having him around at the same time with nothing being said is more detrimental than good. If people want to honour his contract for the sake of 15 games then so be it. It has not affected the chances of other clubs in the past when they have had to part ways with a coach. I think we have become too sensitive in fearing that we don't offend anyone such as the coach, however losing the way we did in rd 1 ot rd 3 or yesterday for that matter aint healthy either, and the lossess will only get worse and worse psych sapping and heavier than before and we will sink to new lows. Unfortunantely March has to come out and be bullish and aggresive for the sake of the club as you know what its the club and the supporters like us that remain well after a coaches and pres tenure begins and end and we are the ones that are asked to keep on supporting. Wallace needs to go and needs to go soon.
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Great post Tuckerbag.
My concern is this.
That the losses have been extremely bad.
Players get disallusioned,
Sponsors become harder to keep on board or attract new ones.
And a losing culture is let to keep festering away with Wallace staying on.
I dont like the way we have been losing and its real damaging to the brand , Club and players.
He has to go soon.
We need "'upside"' and quick.
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terry wallace and the rfc are like a married couple who dont love each other anymore but still are together. it is pointless. one or both have to make a move. terry knows they dont want him , and terry is just going through the motions in a loveless marriage
it is an all round stuffed up situation where neither party has the balls to make the 1st move
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Psyche of players gets worse. Losing culture continues.
We got Luxbet for a year will they stay on? Look how close to the seasons start Melbourne had to wait for sponsors.
Look just thank Wallace for the last five years give him his dignity and let him walk away. Losses will become more galling and more painful. Destructive to player psyche and to sponsors and members. Look back to 2004 rd 2 -5 to Melb n a Fri Nite Saints on Easter Monday Geelong on a Sat night after they monstered us in the first half especially Ben Graham and that Adelaide loss.
Shocking losses also rd 9 at Port and that awful loss against the Roos in rd 11 when we were a couple of goals up early in the 3rd and we lost by 74 points. Freo in rd 12 kept them scoreless in the first quarter and led by 27 at half time and still lost by 10. These losses will become more and more common until Terry is either sacked from coaching or told coach till the end of the year and no contract extention.
The last thing we need as a club right now is to not say anything publically on this matter and allow emotions to fester in the supporters as was the case in 2004 in rd 4 when that supporter went on the footy show on the Sunday after the game and the spitting incident in round 5 and then we have to be in the news for more wrong reasons with the eats our own headline.Which in reality is wrong didn't Essendon do that in 2007 with Sheeds sacking or St Kilda doing that for 110 years or other clubs. Another media saying to sell newspapers and belittle us and project a negative impression.
To again draw parallell lines with Spuds departure in 2004 he lost every game after the decision to let him go was made public but the losses although bad were not of the extent pain gall and hinderance to the club as earlier in the season. Wallace the Messiah was coming :lol
At least this time we won't make the same mistake. Substance people not cheap words that have not been backed up by actions.
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If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.
It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...
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They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.
For memory he was going to drop Gaspar back to Coburg. He didn't chop him - Gaspar walked away rather than sticking it out, Gaspar made the choice.
And big tone... it is Putts 2nd season not third
Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...
One of the saddest things is we will have a new coach in 2010 and he will no doubt get us either into the 8 or close to it in 2010 and so many people will say he is a genius and our saviour. But pounds to peanuts within 3 years we will be where are now and the same people lauding him will baying for his blood when the baying should be for some our players the senior ones in particular who show no leadership and I question whether they really give a stuff
spot on.
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I'll tell you why we need sack Terry- Yesturday was the first time in a long time i decided to work instead of going to watch my Tigers play. I work for myself and week in week out work i organise work around the Tigers games. For a long time we have been pretty ordinary and even after a lose i would be able to come away with some possitives from our games.
Even under TW we have played some pretty exciting footy, the ball used to ping around from end to end, it would be a shoot out between us and whoever we were playing. Mostly we would run out of puff towards the end and get run over but at least it was exciting win or loose. But at the moment the type of footy we are playing is not inticing people including myself back to games. A few on here will be thinking "no big lose" but if we the supporters and members don't show up, where will we be? This alone is not good for the Richmond Football Club and inturn is hurting our brand.
Sure it is the right thing to do to honour Terry's contract but to what extent, we will loose sponsers and members and even just simple supporters signing on next year if we keep going the way we are. It's all well and good to be high and mighty and say 'support your club no matter' what but it is extremely hard to stand by and watch this once great club the way it is.
It is easy for some to sit on your hands and just wish things to get better but it takes the stoing to do something about it. I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue.
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If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.
It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...
That nice of him to say when he has a secure job, however it would be interesting to see if he changes his mind when he's looking at unemployment
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It is easy for some to sit on your hands and just wish things to get better but it takes the stoing to do something about it. I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue.
big tone - I know and appreciate that we will never agree on this topic and that's fine
But I have to say again and I posted the same thing 3 weeks ago the easiest thing in the world for the RFC to do is sack the coach.
The toughest thing in the world for them to do is honour that contract and more importantly honour what they (the Club) have been saying they are going to do for the last 6 months.
We have supporters baying for blood and looking for a scapegoat, the media just waiting for the club to implode and the entire footy world watching waiting for us to screw up
Sacking the coach is not going to fix the inherent problems at the RFC, it will patch over the cracks make us look like an absolute basket case.
I have no doubt it make some people feel really good for a short period of time until it all goes pear shaped again and then we will go through same thing again.
I suppose when it's all said and done it is a question of what you see as being strong.
You say "I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue" and that's your right and I understand your view
To me sacking the coach isn't necessarily strong it (in some cases) simply becomes a buckling to the pressure being exerted by a variety of groups some of which have no right to have any say in the situation
For mine being strong is sometimes by its very nature making the unpopular decisions
As I said we will just have to agree to disagree as I know you wont change your view and I am not going to change mine :thumbsup
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I dont believe that Terry is the mercenary that many posters make him out to be.However I have not ruled out the possibility that he may walk after round 12.
There is going to come a point where Terry is going to be in a "No Win" situation.He will still get criticised for any loss...... and get blamed that any win could cost us a high draft pick.
I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to work under those circumstances.
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I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there. No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year. That's a blight on the whole club :banghead
My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had. Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success. We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it. The only person is Matthews in my book. I can't see anyone else who could get that.
I just pray the club picks the right person :pray
Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish. I know these names have been brought up before but it is totally clear to me that TW was looking after himself when drafting/trading these players-
Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Mark Graham- 30 odd year old for the there and then. (Disgracful selection)
Trent Knoble- another discard with the thought of instant output.
Now thats just in his first few months at the club. Sure he drafted some kids as well but when rebuilding you draft ALL kids not top-up players.
Patrick Bowden- picked to play asap. Had a good year but blind Fredy could see he was not drafted to be in our next premiership.
Jeremy Humm- discard from West Coast.
Graham Polak- played some good games for us but was traded for an early draft pick and possibly a good kid who could have been playing yesterday.
Kent Kinsley- Total disgrace of a pick. You can not tell me this was for the future of the club.
Jordan McMahon- again traded for an early draft pick for a quick fix. Weak, skinny and overated. Horrible selection and cannot even cement his spot in our very ordinary side.
Mitch Morton- another discard that has been ok BUT was dropped for yesterdays game and is a selfish player and who knows what will come of him. Quick fix in TW thoughts again.
Tristian Cartledge- Bomber discard that Terry thought he could make something of. Fail!
Adam Thomson- another mid draft selection traded away for another discard. (Cocko does not give away good players that easily) Cannot even get a game in a side with one win on the board, time will tell but am not holding my breath.
Tom Hislop- another Bomber discard that has shown not a great deal. Still early days but will bet he will be a waste of a draft pick.
Now if i have missed anybody i apoligise, but i think this clearly shows that TW had other things on his mind other than a rebuild. To say he has had "balls" is an utter joke and it only shows that he has "balls things up"
I also hope like you that the next coach has the RFC sustainable future in mind and sticks to it after they get appointed! It is pretty easy to say it but even harder to stick to it. I also hope the next coach has a game plan that lets us as supporters enjoy the game even if we get beat, a game plan that is exciting with run and carry and long kicking and goal scoring and none of this kicking sideways CRAP!!!
Brilliant post Tone and THIS is the real reason why we are a shambles on the field. I've thought these exact same things over the last few years and argue with others about these same facts. Terry went back on his word of "we'll use the draft and create our own champions" blah blah blah. He panicked and, as usual thought of himself rather than the betterment and future of the RFC. Like you said, he compromised and has done the quick-fix too many times. If only he took the early pain of less wins at the start of his coaching tenure, stuck to just using the draft to get as many good kids through maximising good draft picks, NOT TRADING THEM AWAY, or downgrading them and recruiting other teams hacks. HE HAS BEEN A DISGRACE TO OUR GREAT CLUB. He has robbed us. In my mind it's almost criminal the decisions Terry has made regarding our list & the negligent way he has treated the National Draft. Terry has only thought about Terry, wanting instant success/wins with stupid quick-fix solutions. Damn you Wallace.
GO TIGES!!!
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It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...
While it might cost us MM, I'm sure he'd understand if we did it.
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It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...
While it might cost us MM, I'm sure he'd understand if we did it.
Agreed wayne.
9.5 years. One finals appearance. Two wooden spoons and in the running for a third. Two coaches. I don't really care if Malthouse wants to be obstinate and stick to his point of principle. We've been honourable to our coaches and if he cannot respect than I don't think we should bother with him.
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Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Not sure why you'd put Simmonds on your list because getting him was a list management masterstroke.
He was effectively a straight swap for Fiora. Simmonds in, Fiora out. No draft picks involved so a good young kid couldn't have been drafted instead.
His reported salary was very reasonable.
He was signed for 5 years, so he was filling a need there and then and the future.
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Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Not sure why you'd put Simmonds on your list because getting him was a list management masterstroke.
He was effectively a straight swap for Fiora. Simmonds in, Fiora out. No draft picks involved so a good young kid couldn't have been drafted instead.
His reported salary was very reasonable.
He was signed for 5 years, so he was filling a need there and then and the future.
And so far we got 2 good years out of 5 from him
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I like how March and the board are playing this.
Only way Wallet leaves this year is if he walks.
After the review, the club simply has to announce that we are on the lookout for a new coach for next season.
Can't see any value whatsoever in punting him before his time is up. Just further taints the club and scares off potential candidates with the possibility of scrounging an extra win or two under a caretaker. :P
Wallet made the bed, if he wants to lie in it that's his problem.
In the meantime the hunt for his replacement is on.
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Monk, thats right
We chopped players who bled yellow and black for one of terrys friend PAUL HUDSON. WTF
Everyone on here was praising Paul Hudson the other day
Hard to keep up with you guys lol :rollin
Moi, as a player he was finished when he got to us. Was thankfull for a years salary
As a coach, he is at Collingwood as an assistant
let me tell you a few truths
Gasper had done enough for Richmond by taking pay cuts while at the club, Not like some others like Ottens & among some other things he sacrificed, he could have taken the offers from other clubs but wanted to stay at Richmond till unexpectedly being shafted. Richmond thinking Thursfield was better, ;D where is Thursfield playing now l might add how good he really is. ;D My son thinks his crap & wants his place in a few years ;D
Gas had seen what RFC had done to some other loyal sons of the club & walked to freedom
Paul Hudson l can personaly say he is a great coach having played along side him at senior level
Great coach with youngsters in the TAC comp with success. On his day off from TAC he was the Richmond runner now thats commitment in itself.
Assistant coach under Leigh Matthews at Brisbane & now assistant coach under Malthouse today at Collingwood & look at thier young players thrive. He gets a kick out of it because some of them youngsters are ones he blooded into the AFL.
Is great with young footballers & his success rate is very high just look at the group coached under him who are forcing thier names in AFL as top players
His football knowledge & backing would make him a great choice of senior coach in todays football. He is held in very high regard & has always had nice women ;D dont get jealous Jamie
l would love to see Paul Hudson the coach of Richmond because l know he can coach & l know he could place a gameplan to attack todays current game which Wallace & his assistants have no idea
His has coached at several levels & been successful. He will become a top AFL coach & Richmond would be a great chance for him & it would not cost us a huge salary
He has more options than Wayne Campbell who needs to take responsiblitiy of coaching a side by himself at a quality level of football. A good start would be at TAC
Royal needs to go coach Bainsdale, Mcrae needs to go back to Brisbane to be with his mate, King he may well just go play with Laidley & the rest can just plain FO
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oh & l nearly forgot Monkhorst, you mate need to get back to the building trade & work some of that fat off cause our Ruckmen aint learning nothing beating a old fatcat like you around. What sort of example is that when you got unfit people around the club. l'm suprised whats going on down there
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I like how March and the board are playing this.
Only way Wallet leaves this year is if he walks.
After the review, the club simply has to announce that we are on the lookout for a new coach for next season.
Can't see any value whatsoever in punting him before his time is up. Just further taints the club and scares off potential candidates with the possibility of scrounging an extra win or two under a caretaker. :P
Wallet made the bed, if he wants to lie in it that's his problem.
In the meantime the hunt for his replacement is on.
so do i???
im not sure if i want a new coach till at least round 20 now, unless its a handshake agreement like Ratts and the Blues??
Play the kids, honourable losses type arrangement but im not convinced thats going to happen.
we need to finish bottom 2, our season is over
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Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Not sure why you'd put Simmonds on your list because getting him was a list management masterstroke.
He was effectively a straight swap for Fiora. Simmonds in, Fiora out. No draft picks involved so a good young kid couldn't have been drafted instead.
His reported salary was very reasonable.
He was signed for 5 years, so he was filling a need there and then and the future.
Don't get me wrong FF, i think he has been really good for us BUT it did state in my post 'draft or trade'. Troy is in his last, maybe second last year with us so if what TW says is what he means he expected us to be playing finals this year and beyond. And where will Troy be then i ask you?
A swap for a kid or a draft choice for Fiora may see us with a ruckmen having done his learning with us and playing good footy NOW and for years to come.
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It is easy for some to sit on your hands and just wish things to get better but it takes the stoing to do something about it. I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue.
big tone - I know and appreciate that we will never agree on this topic and that's fine
But I have to say again and I posted the same thing 3 weeks ago the easiest thing in the world for the RFC to do is sack the coach.
The toughest thing in the world for them to do is honour that contract and more importantly honour what they (the Club) have been saying they are going to do for the last 6 months.
We have supporters baying for blood and looking for a scapegoat, the media just waiting for the club to implode and the entire footy world watching waiting for us to screw up
Sacking the coach is not going to fix the inherent problems at the RFC, it will patch over the cracks make us look like an absolute basket case.
I have no doubt it make some people feel really good for a short period of time until it all goes pear shaped again and then we will go through same thing again.
I suppose when it's all said and done it is a question of what you see as being strong.
You say "I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue" and that's your right and I understand your view
To me sacking the coach isn't necessarily strong it (in some cases) simply becomes a buckling to the pressure being exerted by a variety of groups some of which have no right to have any say in the situation
For mine being strong is sometimes by its very nature making the unpopular decisions
As I said we will just have to agree to disagree as I know you wont change your view and I am not going to change mine :thumbsup
I respect what you say WP but you are wrong!!!!
Forget about the scapegoat, media, club imploding, baying for blood cliche' CRAP!!!!!
The RFC should do what is best for the RFC and that is not to stand by and let what is happening happen.
You say the entire footy world are watching and waiting for us to screw up, i hate to break it to you WP but to late!
Take away the fact it is footy for a minute and picture it as your own business, would you honour a contract of a manager who has clearly failed and will not be with you next year? I hope not- that is why people get walked out the door when they discide to leave a company or get SACKED!!!
So i will say it again, i hope the Tigers are strong enough to make the RIGHT call.
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I respect what you say WP but you are wrong!!!!
He's not wrong, we're not dealing in fact here
Merely a difference of opinion
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I respect what you say WP but you are wrong!!!!
He's not wrong, we're not dealing in fact here
Merely a difference of opinion
What have i said that's not fact?
Terry has failed???
What is happening is ruining our brand???
The RFC should do what is best for the RFC???
Enlighten me Infamy!!!...
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would you sack your employee if there was no-one currently available who was any better to replace him with?
you'd just damage the brand further if you drove potential candidates away.
if a better option appears then sure, take it. but where is it? who is this mysterious supercoach waiting in the shadows to take over?
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would you sack your employee if there was no-one currently available who was any better to replace him with?
you'd just damage the brand further if you drove potential candidates away.
if a better option appears then sure, take it. but where is it? who is this mysterious supercoach waiting in the shadows to take over?
It almost seems that the club has stigmatised itself for what has occurred over the last 25 years and the only candidate we will lure to coach will either be one of 3 candidates. Anyway we know Terry's fate we just don't know when so here is our future coach, one of these 4 candidates.
Candidate a) The new young coach who is left after all candidates have been snapped up and other candidates both experienced and inexperienced have made their plans clear that they want nothing to do with us. This one will come from left field. Furthermore this candidate will come with few credentialls and will be seen with misapprehension from the supporters.Will be catastrophic for the club. Result Wayne Campbell.
Candidate b) The expreienced coach who has been there and done that. Was a legend in his last job and has been at the top. Sees it as his last chance to ride the gravy train to success and will use his legendary name to get himself by. May or may not be good for the club based on their age and whether they actually have the passion for coaching. Being out of coaching for a while and being in the media may make it difficult for them to re adjust to the professionalism that comes with coaching. Ala the Malcolm Blight type of scenario.At the end of his tenure results may go either way. Result Kevin Sheedy or Leigh Matthews
Candidate c) The well travelled and eloquent coach who has plenty of experience and will hopefully relish the challenge that coaching the RFC will pose. Will take his job seriously. Knows how to get the most out of his team and keep it competitive.
Success may follow but universal respect through hard work and competitveness will be attained first. Result Mick Malthouse.
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If we took on Wayne Campbell we might get the great results the the Lions are getting now.
So I'm all for this one. :thumbsup
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Lions are 4-3
W West Coast G
L Carlton ES
W Sydney G
L Collingwood G
L Geelong SS 93 points
W Essendon G
W Richmond MCG
Brissies record does not exact fill me with confidence. Only played 1 elite side in first 7 and got flogged.Wins have been to teams around them on ladder and some losses to teams a little bit above them. Results seem no different to Matthews over the last few years. Post 2004. Based on your theory Bushy we ultimately would be no better off with Campbell as we are with Wallace.
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would you sack your employee if there was no-one currently available who was any better to replace him with?
you'd just damage the brand further if you drove potential candidates away.
if a better option appears then sure, take it. but where is it? who is this mysterious supercoach waiting in the shadows to take over?
You must be kidding!
Yes i would get rid of my employee. Full stop.
Answer me this gtig, what's wrong with giving one of our assistants the reigns till the end of the season while looking for the best replacement?
At least the pressure would be off a bit and the caretaker coach could play all of these young kids to see who we keep next year and who we don't.
I'm pretty sure our brand could cope with that.
Also this hoohar about driving away potential coaches is a copout imo.
What i think is needed is a young coach with new ideas. No to Malthouse and no to Sheedy.
Lets get some new none Richmond hard-nut to take over that's not scared to make some tough calls and close the curtains on a few of our older players careers.
Delist some of our younger guys that are not up to it without having to admit that somebody made a mistake in drafting them.
Trade some others that are still worth something that don't seem to work at our club. Try and get as many earlish draft picks for this years national draft.
Also a new coaching panel is needed to be employed with the same no nonsense approach as our coach.
A comprehensive drafting department all on the same page in the drafting of future players and an even more comprehensive development department teaching our kids and fast tracking their developement.
Now to find this person the RFC need to put together a panel and go through all possible applicants, they would have the whole second half of the season to do this. The beauty of going after a young, untried coach is that they will do just about anything to get a coaching gig at AFL level, so the worries of us scaring away potential coaches is very, very limited.
What do you think?
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big tone it's all music to my ears, i agree with almost all of what you say... no sheeds & new ideas absolutely... and i have to applaud your disection of our draft performance too. the only part i'm not so sure about is handing the coaching role over to two (king + campbell i assume) guys who no-one is really backing? honestly i think the order just has to come down from the top - manage the list, play the young guys, see who's worth keeping/trading, etc.
i'm sure Terry would be able to do that if they were his instructions, and it might even make for a graceful (and useful) exit. Even better if March and co would announce such an intention to the public.
if you were a potential coach and you looked at all the options available at the end of this year, of which there could be a few, you'd want rfc to be seen somewhat as an employer of choice, to push the analogy, rather than the proverbial albatross around the neck.
that said, it really has got me baffled why terry is sticking it out.
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I sacked one of my employees 3 months ago, no one to replace him, business has boomed, funny about that :thumbsup
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I sacked one of my employees 3 months ago, no one to replace him, business has boomed, funny about that :thumbsup
Well a milk bar relies on good customer service so that is no wonder!
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So who thinks we are going to make the finals? - if not , lets list manage for next year and whats the point of a new coach as they will try their best as they should to get the job next year and not do what is in our best long term future. heaven help us if we dont help ourselves this year.
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So who thinks we are going to make the finals? - if not , lets list manage for next year and whats the point of a new coach as they will try their best as they should to get the job next year and not do what is in our best long term future. heaven help us if we dont help ourselves this year.
I think we should just model the Tigers on "Wacko Jackos" milk bar business and just sack players, staff etc. Business will boom.
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Result Mick Malthouse.
He just got a step closer tonight if we want to head in that direction.
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Malthouse is not the solution, everyone knows his gameplan & we aint got the players he needs at the club to get the job done
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I've said it earlier but this is such a precarious situation we find ourselves in at the moment. We really have to be careful how we handle this situation because it can make or break us in the future. We need draft picks and we need a quality coach.
If we make a mess of the TW contract then other coaches are going to not risk coming to the club. Conversely, if the playing group look so bad and lose continuously then this would also be extremely unappealing to a new coach.
If we bring in a caretaker coach they would want to win games to give themselves a good chance of picking up a senior coaching job at the club or elsewhere in the future. If they lose every game then they will be forever seen as a poor coach. This is not good for our draft prospects.
I listened to Buckley and Matthews last night and over the past few days and they do not see the job as an enticing prospect. Buckley said things like it would be a 'thankless job' and Matthews make a joke about how bad our list and future prospects are. Even Pagan stated that we would be unlikely to come out of the doldrums until 5 years time!
We are very unlikely to get any coach of worth based on these types of comments. If we can claim Malthouse it would be a positive, just on player development alone. Otherwise we will need to look to assistant coaches.
We have to be careful
Stripes
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I've said it earlier but this is such a precarious situation we find ourselves in at the moment. We really have to be careful how we handle this situation because it can make or break us in the future. We need draft picks and we need a quality coach.
If we make a mess of the TW contract then other coaches are going to not risk coming to the club. Conversely, if the playing group look so bad and lose continuously then this would also be extremely unappealing to a new coach.
If we bring in a caretaker coach they would want to win games to give themselves a good chance of picking up a senior coaching job at the club or elsewhere in the future. If they lose every game then they will be forever seen as a poor coach. This is not good for our draft prospects.
I listened to Buckley and Matthews last night and over the past few days and they do not see the job as an enticing prospect. Buckley said things like it would be a 'thankless job' and Matthews make a joke about how bad our list and future prospects are. Even Pagan stated that we would be unlikely to come out of the doldrums until 5 years time!
We are very unlikely to get any coach of worth based on these types of comments. If we can claim Malthouse it would be a positive, just on player development alone. Otherwise we will need to look to assistant coaches.
We have to be careful
Stripes
What's wrong with giving a young, untried, not long out of the game assistant with a direction ago? That's the whole point of assistants! Give him a two year contract and see how he goes. It worked for Hawthorn and it seems to be working with our very own Matty Knights at the Bombers.
We are due for something to go our way soon.
Fingers crossed!
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What's wrong with giving a young, untried, not long out of the game assistant with a direction ago? That's the whole point of assistants! Give him a two year contract and see how he goes.
Apart from that he will probably make mistakes being young and untried and as a result get torn to shreds by our supporters and media, nothing except a possible 3 years or so until we start again with another coach. Anyway you seem like a forgiving bloke so I am sure you wont be a problem it will just be the other more excitable fans.
As Julius Ceaser said when the one legged gladiator was put in the colesseum "bring on the lions" (or hyena's in our case).
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What's wrong with giving a young, untried, not long out of the game assistant with a direction ago? That's the whole point of assistants! Give him a two year contract and see how he goes.
Apart from that he will probably make mistakes being young and untried and as a result get torn to shreds by our supporters and media, nothing except a possible 3 years or so until we start again with another coach. Anyway you seem like a forgiving bloke so I am sure you wont be a problem it will just be the other more excitable fans.
As Julius Ceaser said when the one legged gladiator was put in the colesseum "bring on the lions" (or hyena's in our case).
And the Vultures :lol
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So who thinks we are going to make the finals? - if not , lets list manage for next year and whats the point of a new coach as they will try their best as they should to get the job next year and not do what is in our best long term future. heaven help us if we dont help ourselves this year.
I think we should just model the Tigers on "Wacko Jackos" milk bar business and just sack players, staff etc. Business will boom.
Only if you knew ;)
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You know what the problem is? It is when we start to back ourselves and with an "easier" draw the last half of the year, we are gunna win anywhere between 7-10 games all up.
If we bring in a new coach the so called "New messiah" phase will start all over again.
Another false dawn if you may.
We are a fair way off a flag, lets be honest with the ageing list and all.
At the same time have some good youngsters coming through. We can become a competitive side quickly once we learn to back ourselves.
We have seen it against the cats and the start of the Brissy game it looked how far until we wnet into out shells.
The Worst 'WORST' case scenario is getting a caretaker coach, whoever that may be, we finish off the season ala last year and we may just jump into something with the blinkers on.
Whoever is coach has to be told to get games into all the players and we can sort it out from there.
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You know what the problem is? It is when we start to back ourselves and with an "easier" draw the last half of the year, we are gunna win anywhere between 7-10 games all up.
If we bring in a new coach the so called "New messiah" phase will start all over again.
Another false dawn if you may.
We are a fair way off a flag, lets be honest with the ageing list and all.
At the same time have some good youngsters coming through. We can become a competitive side quickly once we learn to back ourselves.
We have seen it against the cats and the start of the Brissy game it looked how far until we wnet into out shells.
The Worst 'WORST' case scenario is getting a caretaker coach, whoever that may be, we finish off the season ala last year and we may just jump into something with the blinkers on.
Whoever is coach has to be told to get games into all the players and we can sort it out from there.
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