One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: rufio_1991 on August 30, 2009, 09:30:00 PM
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I've noticed over the years that richmond always have a pretty bad percentage, even when we make the finals its not that good. Once again Richmond have the wrost percentage this year.
Is this something we can work on? Can we beat teams more often by 5-6 Goals instead of under 10 points?
91.1 – 1999
93.1 – 2000
107.8 – 2001
82.9 – 2002
88.8 – 2003
69.2 – 2004
92.3 – 2005
86.1 – 2006
77.2 – 2007
97.4 – 2008
74.3 – 2009
87.3 - avg
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Just a sign we haven't been good in all that time. Even in 2001 we got flogged a few times by the other top sides that year. We were just good enough to get the job done regularly against the mediocre and poor sides that year. We had 5 wins this year and 3 were by less than a kick. The only comfortable win we had was against North after quarter time. When the opposition as going inside forward 50 twice as much as we are and doing so more efficiently and under so little pressure then it's no surprise our percentage is the worst in the AFL.
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Our best pecentage in the last 27 years of doom & gloom was 117% back in 1996.
We had the 5th best % in the comp that year...yet still finished 9th. :help
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A legacy of poor supply and too dominant Richo.
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Our percentage in the last 4 weeks was 49%. Meaning the opposition doubled our score over that time.
Next worst was Port with 72% who lost all 4 games as well and Freo 77%. No one else was below 90%.
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Our percentage in the last 4 weeks was 49%. Meaning the opposition doubled our score over that time.
Next worst was Port with 72% who lost all 4 games as well and Freo 77%. No one else was below 90%.
49% was what Fitzroy ended up with at the conclusion of their final season. >:(
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Bump!!!
Honestly we need to start burying sides. Brisbane should've been buried when Clarke went down. They are crap.
We effectively sit 1 games and massive win out of the 8. In the last 10 years i dont remember our % being anything descent.
This will be our downfall again with Bummers and the boys from Mt Hotham having superior %%
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Bump!!!
Honestly we need to start burying sides. Brisbane should've been buried when Clarke went down. They are crap.
We effectively sit 1 games and massive win out of the 8. In the last 10 years i dont remember our % being anything descent.
This will be our downfall again with Bummers and the boys from Mt Hotham having superior %%
It is slowly improving, if we can manage a clinic like Essendon and Melbourne did against GC then we will improve significantly. Mind you that game isnt a given to win. Percentage wont matter if we keep winning the 4 points in the end.
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A legacy of poor supply and too dominant Richo.
This is so true Ol Smokey :thumbsup
We have another Richo down there by the name of Jack Rewoldt.
Dimma needs to jump on Rewoldt now. he is rushing things up there & getting a bit too cocky. Team play make percentage.
Oh forgot to add he is berating his players just like Richo did
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A legacy of poor supply and too dominant Richo.
This is so true Ol Smokey :thumbsup
We have another Richo down there by the name of Jack Rewoldt.
Dimma needs to jump on Rewoldt now. he is rushing things up there & getting a bit too cocky. Team play make percentage.
Oh forgot to add he is berating his players just like Richo did
Lets trade him for John Butcher.
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Our best pecentage in the last 27 years of doom & gloom was 117% back in 1996.
We had the 5th best % in the comp that year...yet still finished 9th. :help
If memory serves correctly, we spanked poor old fitzroy shocking that year.
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We effectively sit 1 games and massive win out of the 8. In the last 10 years i dont remember our % being anything descent.
Got it in one daniel
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Our best pecentage in the last 27 years of doom & gloom was 117% back in 1996.
We had the 5th best % in the comp that year...yet still finished 9th. :help
If memory serves correctly, we spanked poor old fitzroy shocking that year.
Have to look it up in some archive, l remember being at that game & we did spank them but cant if we needed another club to lose
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Final AFL Ladder Standings for 1996:
Last updated: End of Round 22, 1 September 1996. End of Home and away series.
Team W L D % Pts
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Sydney 16 5 1 123.8 66
Nth Melb 16 6 - 127.4 64
Brisbane 15 6 1 125.6 62
West Coast 15 7 - 125.3 60
Carlton 15 7 - 110.8 60
Essendon 14 7 1 109.2 58
Geelong 13 8 1 114.9 54
Hawthorn 11 10 1 98.5 46
Richmond 11 11 - 117.4 44
St. Kilda 10 12 - 101.0 40
Collingwood 9 13 - 102.8 36
Adelaide 8 14 - 96.0 32
Fremantle 7 15 - 92.3 28
Melbourne 7 15 - 70.8 28
Footscray 5 16 1 77.3 22
Fitzroy 1 21 - 49.5 4
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the way i see it is we are one of the heavier scoring sides in the comp which is a bonus for a team so young and still some way off. Our whole defensive setup needs to drastically improve. This means the whole 22 not just the back 6. We must stop those cheap unforced error goals, if we ever get that right our percentage will shoot up and we'll tear sides apart
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Round 21
Date Home Away Ground Details:
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23-Aug-96 Nth Melb Geelong MCG Night
14.12 (96) 16.13 (109)
24-Aug-96 Carlton Footscray OO
13.18 (96) 9.12 (66)
Essendon Sydney MCG
14.16(100) 12.10 (82)
St. Kilda Hawthorn P
9.9. (63) 12.8 (80)
Brisbane Fremantle GABBA Night
10.11 (71) 10.10 (70)
25-Aug-96 Adelaide Collingwood FP
14.12 (96) 24.9 (153)
West Coast Melbourne S
24.7 (151) 11.12 (78)
Richmond Fitzroy MCG
28.19 (187) 5.6 (36)
Round 22
Date Home Away Ground Details:
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30-Aug-96 Essendon Footscray MCG Night
11.13 (79) 11.10 (76)
31-Aug-96 Geelong Carlton KP
9.11 (65) 16.11 (107)
Collingwood Brisbane VP
15.10 (100) 6.15 (51)
St. Kilda Adelaide P
20.24 (144) 11.9 (75)
Melbourne Hawthorn MCG Night
15.11 (101) 15.12 (102)
Sydney West Coast SCG Night
12.13 (85) 6.14 (50)
1-Sep-96 Fremantle Fitzroy S
24.13 (157) 10.11 (71)
Richmond Nth Melb MCG
16.13 (109) 21.15 (141)
Ok it was us that lost to North that keep us out & Hawks won by 1 $^$&&&&&& point :'( :scream
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Have to look it up in some archive, l remember being at that game & we did spank them but cant if we needed another club to lose
We had to beat Nort Melbourne in round 22 to make finals.
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the way i see it is we are one of the heavier scoring sides in the comp which is a bonus for a team so young and still some way off. Our whole defensive setup needs to drastically improve. This means the whole 22 not just the back 6. We must stop those cheap unforced error goals, if we ever get that right our percentage will shoot up and we'll tear sides apart
:thumbsup
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Have to look it up in some archive, l remember being at that game & we did spank them but cant if we needed another club to lose
We had to beat Nort Melbourne in round 22 to make finals.
Melbourne could have looked after thier co-tenants, 1 point we missed the finals :banghead
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Our best pecentage in the last 27 years of doom & gloom was 117% back in 1996.
We had the 5th best % in the comp that year...yet still finished 9th. :help
If memory serves correctly, we spanked poor old fitzroy shocking that year.
Twice the first time by 92 the second time by 151.
We also lost 7 games by less than 3 goals.
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Round 21
Date Home Away Ground Details:
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23-Aug-96 Nth Melb Geelong MCG Night
14.12 (96) 16.13 (109)
24-Aug-96 Carlton Footscray OO
13.18 (96) 9.12 (66)
Essendon Sydney MCG
14.16(100) 12.10 (82)
St. Kilda Hawthorn P
9.9. (63) 12.8 (80)
Brisbane Fremantle GABBA Night
10.11 (71) 10.10 (70)
25-Aug-96 Adelaide Collingwood FP
14.12 (96) 24.9 (153)
West Coast Melbourne S
24.7 (151) 11.12 (78)
Richmond Fitzroy MCG
28.19 (187) 5.6 (36)
Round 22
Date Home Away Ground Details:
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30-Aug-96 Essendon Footscray MCG Night
11.13 (79) 11.10 (76)
31-Aug-96 Geelong Carlton KP
9.11 (65) 16.11 (107)
Collingwood Brisbane VP
15.10 (100) 6.15 (51)
St. Kilda Adelaide P
20.24 (144) 11.9 (75)
Melbourne Hawthorn MCG Night
15.11 (101) 15.12 (102)
Sydney West Coast SCG Night
12.13 (85) 6.14 (50)
1-Sep-96 Fremantle Fitzroy S
24.13 (157) 10.11 (71)
Richmond Nth Melb MCG
16.13 (109) 21.15 (141)
Ok it was us that lost to North that keep us out & Hawks won by 1 $^$&&&&&& point :'( :scream
The damage was done earlier in that season and we only had ourselves to blame to being in that position. We lost to the Swans thanks to the ump pinging Richo for shepharding on the goal-line and denying us the winning goal and then the next week Naish missed kicking the winning the goal after the siren. Then from memory we lost home games to the Eagles and Bears at Princes Park. Hawthorn also had a far easier draw than we did that year and came home like a train to pinch 8th spot. That last game they played against Melbourne was the infamous merger game.
Anyway our percentage is poor because we simply are nowhere good enough yet. All our wins barring the Freo game where we ran riot in the last quarter were tough scraps. As daniel said a good side would've put Brisbane to the sword. In both games we've struggled to get on top of them until midwat through the last quarter. It doesn't help we have poor first quarters so we are often playing catch up footy and we have lapses when we get 3-4 goals in front and switch off rather than murdering a side. As RR said in the first quarter thread we are still too reactive waiting to see what the opposition are doing rather than being proactive and hitting a game from the first minute to impose ourselves on the game and apply scoreboard especially against bottom sides.
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The numbers game
By Terry Wallace
Wed 13 Jul, 2011
This year we have often heard supporters questioning whether teams such as Melbourne, North Melbourne and Richmond have improved from last year. It is easy to get a line on this by comparing a team's 2010 and 2011 percentages.
It is obviously easier when percentage is judged from year to year for poorly performed teams to rise, and at the same time more difficult for top teams to keep their percentage graph improving.
If you have a lowly team from 2010 dropping percentage, clearly there are alarm bells, while a top team in 2010 which has increased percentage is doing a great job.
So let's take a look at who has improved this season and who has gone backwards.
Improvement ladder (percentage change from end of 2010 to round 16 2011)
West Coast +46.88%
Collingwood +38.41%
Essendon +29.59%
Carlton +27.69%
Hawthorn +20.86%
Richmond +12.02%
North Melb. +8.21%
Melbourne +4.48%
Sydney -0.31%
Brisbane -4.26%
Fremantle -6.04%
Geelong -12.21%
Port Adelaide -13.52%
Adelaide -16.66%
St Kilda -23.52%
W.Bulldogs -27.41%
Gold Coast N/A
The progress of the next three teams is regularly questioned, yet all are still making ground.
The Tigers may be marginally misleading as their 0-9 start to the 2010 season saw them with the poorest percentage for some time, yet they are still on the rise.
Both North Melbourne and Melbourne have young squads who in recent weeks have been under the microscope, but however you want to read their seasons, the 'improvement ladder' doesn't lie.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118400/default.aspx
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Bump.
The most disappointing thing about Thursday night is that from just kick in it during the last quarter we once again allowed a loss to blow out in the last 10-15 minutes and our percentage starts the season at just 65% with us in 15th spot. It just shows we still need to get mentally tougher as well as physically stronger before we can start moving up the ladder and matching it with the top sides.
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i long for 1980 where we kicked huge scores and pummelled
teams into submission.
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I'm a teapot.I'm a teapot.
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Bump.
The most disappointing thing about Thursday night is that from just kick in it during the last quarter we once again allowed a loss to blow out in the last 10-15 minutes and our percentage starts the season at just 65% with us in 15th spot. It just shows we still need to get mentally tougher as well as physically stronger before we can start moving up the ladder and matching it with the top sides.
The positive way of looking at the percentage, is to think that over the course of the game we saved 20.8% on the scores that were made in the previous outing against the Blues.
Rich 12.9.81 to Carl 28.16.184 = first round percentage of 44.0%
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It just shows we still need to get mentally tougher
Thursday night proved that we still get totally overwhelmed mentally with big occassion footy. It's the next BIG hurdle for us.
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A measure of how far we come is also how much we punish the weaker sides to make up that % drop we inevitably seem to experience when we play the big boys.
A win is a win I understand but at some point in time but we need to start turning just wins into good size comfortable wins.
That will help restore the % and get us into the 95% plus which would be a barest minimum when you think we have a comp with GWS and GC who are not yet competitive enough.
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Heres what ive come up with using the bailey ladder predictor completing round 6...
Its only my thoughts on the tips ;)
loss to pies 60 pts
beat melbourne 12 pts
loss to geelong 60 pts
beat west coast 1 pt
beat pt adelaide 3 pts
we end up with 3 of 6 wins and a percentage of 79.2% in 11th place.
Im not so sure bout winning that west coast game either ::)
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Our percentage is back up to 98% so yesterday basically made up for any percentage loss to Carl and Coll. We are now 11th on the ladder above Collingwood ;D.
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1 more goal and we would've been 100% :(
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Our percentage is back up to 98% so yesterday basically made up for any percentage loss to Carl and Coll. We are now 11th on the ladder above Collingwood ;D.
The proof will be in next weeks results :o
1 more goal and we would've been 100% :(
Agree ::)
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WE ARE ABOVE COLLINGWOOD!!!!! :clapping :bow
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First time in a long time kicked over 130 points. Good spread of goal kickers too
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Our percentage is back up to 98% so yesterday basically made up for any percentage loss to Carl and Coll. We are now 11th on the ladder above Collingwood ;D.
Next week we have to protect this, bare minimum!
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Now above Geelong
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Now above Geelong
Yep and in 10th spot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_AFL_season#Ladder
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Round 3 = a great feeling with only 1 win but our percentage is where it needs to be. l can feel a good year ahead & whats not better than having 2k on Richmond to finish above the Skunks at years end after they played in a Grand Final. Buckley & Eddie please continue to take them to the bottom. :thumbsup ;D :clapping
:gotigers
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Here are some outcomes courtesy of baileys ladders predictor:
Cats win by 30 pts- cats in 10th we are 13th on 90.8%
Cats win by 60 pts - cats in 9th we are 13th on 83.8%
Cats win by 100 pts - cats in 8th we are 14th on 75.5%
But if we win.....
by 12 pts in 10th spot on 101.6
by 30 pts in 9th sot on 106.5
by 60 pts in 9th spot on 115.4
Two scenarios and no bias.. :shh just sayin
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One positive from today is our percentage wasn't damaged. Still around 96% (aggregate -16 pts) although we've dropped to 13th on the ladder still a game and percentage (North in 8th on 128%) out of the Eight.
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That's been a positive. Have not been blown away.
In other season our % would have been sitting in the 70's at this stage of the season.
Last year at this time we had lost to Hawthorn and Collingwood by 63 and 71 points.
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Despite being 2-4, our percentage is in the black now. Up to 102.1% after today's win.
We sit 12th still two games behind Collingwood in 8th but with a better percentage than them.
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Our 4 losses have totalled 85 points.
Our two wins have totalled 96 points. :thumbsup
If only we could win the close ones.
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Unfortunatly due to the AFL gifting 2 games of each GWS and GCG to both North and Adel then our percentage might not be important. Two of the teams we wil be fighting for positions 6-10 have a big leg up. I backed us (yes real money) to make top 8 and even with todays win I dont think we will. I want to believe as much as anybody but with those two and half games gifted to those two clubs I am not sure we can now.
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Whatever happens as far as finals or not, our percentage is a clear sign of our improvement this year. We've been clearly competitive in every game so far no matter quality of the opponent unlike like year. We just need to eliminate those bad periods still in our game where we go to sleep and the opposition scores 3-4 goals on end. Today it wasn't costly as we had built up a 6 goal plus lead to half-time before we went to sleep.
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Whatever happens as far as finals or not, our percentage is a clear sign of our improvement this year. We've been clearly competitive in every game so far no matter quality of the opponent unlike like year. We just need to eliminate those bad periods still in our game where we go to sleep and the opposition scores 3-4 goals on end. Today it wasn't costly as we had built up a 6 goal plus lead to half-time before we went to sleep.
And just to rehash something I posted last week, our improvement 'stat' continues to hold up:
59 points better against Carlton
50 points better against Collingwood
52 points better against Melbourne
52 points better against Geelong
47 points better against West Coast
52 points better against Port Adelaide
Of course, that means we should beat Sydney by something in vicinity of 93 points this coming weekend. :o I think I'll just settle for a win. :pray
And to tidy up loose ends, this stat was posted initially at tiger-talk. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/96627 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/96627)
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Still 12th but we're only a game outside the top 8 now with a percentage of 106.9.
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we lost good percentage in the last 8 minutes of the game today playing that crappy possession time wasting crap,,,
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Our percentage is still above par - 103%. Another narrow loss has us 13th two games outside the Top Eight.
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8 games in & l'm very happy with our percentage due to the hardwork of our midfield. The backline was a fair bit sloppy tonight
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What I am proud of is that despite our defensive frailties tonight we fought back and despite our loss it was narrow and the Dons didn't get to 20 goals when it looked at one stage they might get well past that mark. Hardwick has instilled some wonderful characteristics into these boys. :thumbsup
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Thought when Grimes went down and we were already 35 points down my thoughts were % will be mid 90's after this and season is goneski.
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Up to 11th and a percentage of 110.6 after today's big win. Only a game out of the Eight now.
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Up to 9th :P for now with a percentage of 110. The Saints are on 115% just ahead of us.
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Down to 11th with a percentage of 108. So we're now a game and 16% behind 8th spot (St Kilda) as well letting Freo jump a game ahead of us. A costly 8-point game to lose :scream.
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Up to 10th yet our percentage stays roughly the same at 108.7%. Every side above us has a higher percentage while every side below us has a lower percentage so it's a good guide as to where we are at.
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Should have had a massive booster today.
If I was Dimma I'd go off at them.
Training on monday even though they are meant to be on a small break.
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Up to 10th yet our percentage stays roughly the same at 108.7%. Every side above us has a higher percentage while every side below us has a lower percentage so it's a good guide as to where we are at.
not forgetting we have played nearly all the top 8 sides l think Adelaide next will complete that so IMV we are crusing along fairly well & need to belt a few sides to get our percentage up. We judge again at years end
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Should have had a massive booster today.
If I was Dimma I'd go off at them.
Training on monday even though they are meant to be on a small break.
There wast much chance at a % booster in those conditions..
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If our % given who we have played at this stage of the year hasn't shown we have improved then nothing will.
Unfortunantely the weather in the last two weeks have hindered our ability to make up an extra win and possibly another 5-10% on top of what we already have.
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I'll take the percentage we have any day of the week.. When was the last time we had over 100% after round 12
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I'll take the percentage we have any day of the week.. When was the last time we had over 100% after round 12
I'd say 2001. Possibly 2005, would've been two weeks after Browny broke his leg.
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With a percentage now of 112, we are on track for our highest percentage since 1996 and second highest since 1982.
138.4 - 1980
105.3 - 1981
126.2 - 1982
88.8 - 1983
90.9 - 1984
91.2 - 1985
78.4 - 1986
82.5 - 1997
85.1 - 1988
70.9 - 1989
78.6 - 1990
87.4 - 1991
73.5 - 1992
70.7 - 1993
93.8 - 1994
107.9 - 1995
117.4 - 1996
83.6 - 1997
104.8 - 1998
91.1 – 1999
93.1 – 2000
107.8 – 2001
82.9 – 2002
88.8 – 2003
69.2 – 2004
92.3 – 2005
86.1 – 2006
77.2 – 2007
97.4 – 2008
74.3 – 2009
73.0 - 2010
86.4 - 2011
112.0 - 2012
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/richmond/season.html
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This is excellent and if I were to say we had improved in any area this would be it. I suppose it goes to show that we haven't been belted this year.
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Our current percentage of 121.4 is our highest since 1982.
138.4 - 1980
105.3 - 1981
126.2 - 1982
88.8 - 1983
90.9 - 1984
91.2 - 1985
78.4 - 1986
82.5 - 1997
85.1 - 1988
70.9 - 1989
78.6 - 1990
87.4 - 1991
73.5 - 1992
70.7 - 1993
93.8 - 1994
107.9 - 1995
117.4 - 1996
83.6 - 1997
104.8 - 1998
91.1 – 1999
93.1 – 2000
107.8 – 2001
82.9 – 2002
88.8 – 2003
69.2 – 2004
92.3 – 2005
86.1 – 2006
77.2 – 2007
97.4 – 2008
74.3 – 2009
73.0 - 2010
86.4 - 2011
111.6 - 2012
121.4 - 2013
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/richmond/season.html
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-27/tigers-key-percentage-boost
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wow, some horrible memories there :)
Still our lowest is still heaps better than Melbourne this year !!
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Even '95 and '01 aren't great.
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With the highest percentage for yonks does that mean overall we deserve it even though some weeks we didn't deserve it?
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Some weaks bro ::)