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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on September 01, 2009, 12:19:15 AM
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Tarrant keen to return to Victoria
Jake Niall | September 1, 2009
HAVING revitalised his career this season with a move to defence, Fremantle stuff Chris Tarrant is now eyeing a possible return to Victoria for family reasons.
Tarrant's management is understood to have told the Dockers that the stuff is open to the possibility of returning to his home state, if the right club and trade deal can be struck.
Sources have confirmed that Tarrant has been happy with Fremantle and the club environment, but that he would prefer to be in Melbourne, where he would like to settle after he is married in October.
It is understood that Tarrant's fiance is particularly keen for the couple to be back in Victoria and that this is a major factor in him exploring a move back.
Tarrant is contracted to the Dockers for 2010 and so he could only find a Melbourne club via a trade. The Dockers take the view that he is a required player, under contract and they do not wish to release him.
Tarrant would hold appeal to a Victorian club that is in need of a tall defender with closing speed and a capacity to play on both talls and smalls.
Tarrant will be well-paid by Fremantle in 2010 - he secured a four-year contract when he was traded to the Dockers by Collingwood at the end of 2006 - but sources suggest he would be willing to re-negotiate his contract if he was able to come back to Victoria.
Traded by the Magpies in the wake of an off-field indiscretion late in the 2006 season, Tarrant has matured over the past couple of years and, like many forwards who struggle with conversion, has performed better in defence, where his closing speed and one-on-one strength has enabled him to curtail the likes of Brendan Fevola, Lance Franklin, Brad Johnson and Mark LeCras. At one point, he was even touted as a potential all-Australian, having improved significantly since Fremantle coach Mark Harvey made the decision to play him as defender.
While the Dockers are not keen to trade him, having seen Tarrant hold down stuff and release Luke McPharlin for other roles, Tarrant would be able to leave via the draft at the end of 2010.
Tarrant's manager, Paul Connors, declined to comment on the prospect of his client seeking a trade last night.
■Richmond yesterday delisted its first choice from the 2005 national draft, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, bringing the number of delistings at Tigerland to five. Retirees Joel Bowden and Kane Johnson, Mark Coughlan and Nathan Brown have already been culled from the senior list.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/tarrant-keen-to-return-to-victoria/2009/08/31/1251570665559.html
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I really can't believe he was our first pick and he has been in the system for 5 years and has been worthless. If this is how we are going to re-build again then God help us. If the tallent pool is that shallow this year then we might as well take Lake and Tarrent as they would be worth more than investing 5 years in a dud......... again!!!!!
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I really can't believe he was our first pick and he has been in the system for 5 years and has been worthless. If this is how we are going to re-build again then God help us. If the tallent pool is that shallow this year then we might as well take Lake and Tarrent as they would be worth more than investing 5 years in a dud......... again!!!!!
That post is incredibly narrow minded about re-building via the draft. It's beyond comprehension how ridiculous it is unless I'm missing something.
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I really can't believe he was our first pick and he has been in the system for 5 years and has been worthless. If this is how we are going to re-build again then God help us. If the tallent pool is that shallow this year then we might as well take Lake and Tarrent as they would be worth more than investing 5 years in a dud......... again!!!!!
That post is incredibly narrow minded about re-building via the draft. It's beyond comprehension how ridiculous it is unless I'm missing something.
Narow minded is thinking every player we pick will develop into a star and that has been the thought process of bafoons at this club in the past. That is more ridiculous.
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I don't think anyone believes every kid will make it, however we need to increase our chances of drafting future stars by taking as many kids as possible. Every pick is a chance to be a dud or a gun, however the more we take, the more chance we have of getting some stars.
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Yep no doubt about it bring on the kids, but choose wisely that is all I am saying and we still need to mix the youth with experience. Stuart Due seemed to go alright in that GF win did he not and just about everyone condemed the Hawks to finish last when they selected him!!
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It's mentioned in the Australian as well...
Richmond has told bit player Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls he will be delisted next month.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26009322-2722,00.html
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Dont blame the players, blame those who failed to have the knowledge to take them that next level ;D Thier coaches
Oh Chris Tarrent :chuck
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still do not know why we did no get Hurn ..
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Dont blame the players, blame those who failed to have the knowledge to take them that next level ;D Thier coaches
Oh Chris Tarrent :chuck
Exactly
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Staggered as to why this is being done before trade week.
Or at least been made public. Now opposition clubs know we have no need to keep him and his currency if he ever had any is now none.
I woulda have taken a pick 70 for JON. A Fremantle even Melbourne could have thought they could turn his career around with a pick 70 or even 80 previous top 10 draft pick has some currency regardless of there development.
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Don't be ridiculous. JON's currency is zero.
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Jon -= Minus 15 ::)
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We have a lot of players who aint worth anything on the trade market thats right ... worth absolutely Zippo.
Anyway has Hardwick sacked anyone else today? We need to see more get the arse from Punt Rd including Players, Assistant Coaches and the fitness division.
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still do not know why we did no get Hurn ..
Clarke or Higgins were by far the bigger misses
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still do not know why we did no get Hurn ..
Clarke or Higgins were by far the bigger misses
Yep. 2005 was a decent first round in hindsight. More depth than 2004 when you look at it even though at the time 2004 was rated a strong draft.
Not JON's fault he was chosen at pick 8 either.
Some dumb recruiters as seen in this Age article at the time......
Some clubs, including Essendon, rated Patrick Ryder as this year's No. 1, while others were dubious he should be in the top 10. Carlton took Josh Kennedy at pick four and a couple of clubs thought him unworthy of the top 20.
If Marc Murphy (Carlton), Ellis and, to some extent Dale Thomas, were almost consensus top-10 picks, they were not considered stand-outs or laid-down misere superstars. Not every club placed each of them in the top half-dozen.
One club believed Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls was numero uno. He went at pick eight. Shaun Higgins (11) and Mitchell Clarke (9) were rated anywhere and everywhere, from top three to late first rounders. Collingwood was rapturous about Danny Stanley at pick 21, yet one of its rivals would not have drafted him at all.
The upshot is that reputations and careers — coaches, recruiters and maybe entire administrations — rest on the calls made on Saturday. Hawthorn dealt itself the best hand; in three or four years, we'll know if it played its cards right.
http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news/jake-niall/after-draftees-nervous-wait-its-a-clubs-turn/2005/11/28/1133026406150.html
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:P
Colin Wisbey profile
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (East Perth)
188/75 bottom-age right foot (has other foot if necessary) outsidish mid / flanker
*STYLE LIKE: Rob Murphy
*MY RANKING (not meant to reflect appropriate draft pick to use): 5
*PROBABILITY OF AFL CAREER: Definite. Ready year 2.
- Within an AFL team list, could prove capable of SUSTAINING a ranking of 5-10.
*HURT FACTORS (Offensive/Defensive/Negative): M-H / M / L
*TRADEMARK:
- Casually pluck the ball out of the air or cleanly off the turf, then an even more effortless (no, make that "cocky") sell-the-dummy, then skim the turf for 30m then accurate fluent kick to a well spotted target.
*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:
- Oakley-Nicholls is not a top 5 pick, or even top 10, in a typical year's draft. This year is as light on for obvious top 10 quality as 2000 but at least 2000 had Riewoldt, Didak and Kos who looked to be the clear top 3. I can't see Oakley-Nicholls going top 5 even this year but I rank him at 5 on the basis that:-
1. He has indicated an X-factor upside comparable with Ryder, Varcoe, etc but has the advantage that we have seen O-N's form this year offer greater concrete evidence. Any concerns re any disappointment with O-N not having been more consistent (eg not having played many genuine 4-quarter games) can also be levelled at those others with supposed X-factor upside who follow him in my rankings.
2. He has the tricks to turn a game in one quarter. He is genuinely classy. Clean, silky with a bit of magic.
3. No one after him in my rankings would appear to represent a better all-round package of attributes. Jarrad is a great height for a wing/stuff, among other possibilities down the track. He also appears to have a reach advantage (unconfirmed). Reliable kick with high hurt factor. Lightning quick. Can take a huge grab. Excellent evasion. Happy to get his own ball. "Never" flustered. Plays in a manner that suggests he will thrive on AFL centre stage once he has settled in.
4. Only about 3 of the next 15 players in my rankings are similarly reliable all round kicks and probably none of those 3 are quite as good.
5. Despite his speed and silkiness, he wins much more than his share of his own ball - in one-in-one physical tussle contests or inside traffic etc. He is no downhill-skier or stranger to hardball gets or to displays of determination/desperation.
- From rural WA but, on-field, always looks self-assured and never seems flustered. One of those players, regardless of age, who just "moves" like an AFL player of class. I first liked him from the '04 U16 Champs. Back then, he was trying to manage problems with his left knee but he really looked "AFL".
If you had pick 5 and your next pick was beyond about pick 10, I think O-N is worth pick 5 thaer than taking the risk of him slipping through, even though that is shorter than his market value. I'm very confident of his AFL future.
*DISPOSAL:
(see above)
- U18 Champs stats were not representative of his kicking's usual accuracy or hurt factor. I would describe him as an "almost routinely excellent" kick - accuracy, hurt, power. Even on the run (as he often is). Economical kicking style.
- Can kick a big goal but is not in the "reliable around goals" class.
- His handballing is good but, in relative terms, possibly not quite as reliable as his kicking.
- Mix of kicks to feeds varies a lot, game by game.
*DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:
(see above)
- Generally a good decision-maker. Generally displays poise and looks for options, even on the run.
- Good vision but not always good awareness.
- Uses his body well.
- His average stats are quite healthy and he has had some big games. However it bothers me, just a little, that he doesn't ROUTINELY get more of the pill. He gets his share when at the play but I suspect he needs coaching in where and when to run in order to be in the action more often. Providing a kid is coachable (can listen, understand and implement) I never get overly concerned about kids who tend to be in the wrong places around the ground at 17-18yo. Oakley-Nicholls seems to read the play well enough, especially when he finds himself fairly handy to it. Most kids should be able to improve their positioning if they get the appropriate "match scenario simulation and decision-making dry runs" at their AFL club.
- Importantly, he needs to demand the ball much more often and with more purpose. With his leg-speed he should much more often be running past to offer himself as a potential 80-90m option. Ditto for being more verbally demanding when in good position to have the ball delivered to him.
- Outstanding evasion. Routinely effective, excellent sidestep on the run.
*HANDS:
(see above)
- Routinely clean - ground or waist, on the run or static, under pressure or not.
*OVERHEAD MARKING:
- Very capable and reliable overhead, regardless of pressure. Usually clean hands, usually good judgement, holds his ground. Wins much more than his share of 50/50 contests. I saw him drop a sitter in one WAFL game but that's the only terrible result I can recall.
- He can take the big grab over the back of the pack but he arguably takes more from in front or mid-pack.
*ATHLETICISM:
(see above)
- Terrific athletic package.
- Lightning quick. He would be as quick as anyone in this draft. That's how he looks on-field. His DC times reflect that. 5m time among the top 3% ever and the further they go (over a sprint distance) the more elite his times (top 1% of all times over 20m).
- Offensive agility is excellent. Recovery agility disappointing at times.
- I'm still not sure what to make of Jarrad's leap. There are times when he takes some big grabs yet at other times he seems to struggle for leap. I just haven't been able to identify a pattern. Perhaps in certain body on body situations he waits a bit long to jump and finds the opponent(s) has already taken his vertical pathway, or something like that (?), or the cause may even just be injury at the time.
- Very skinny but looks to have a frame that will fill out OK. His game is such that it is not vital to add more than about 7kg. (Would be desirable though).
- Endurance query at the moment. Died in the bum late in various games this year and somewhat below average beep would either support this (no cause for long-term concern) or suggest he doesn't push himself out fully at this stage..
*INTENSITY, ETHIC:
(see above)
- Intensity is generally good except that he often seems unaccountable to his own opponent.. That bothers me in itself but O-N is no less accountable than many/most other similar-role contenders for 1st or 2nd (or even 3rd) round picks this year.
- For his "flashy" type, his "at the scene" intensity is surprisingly quite consistently good - Attack on ball, attack on man, ratio of 50/50 contests won, genuine desperation (including smothers etc).
- Tackling effectiveness needs improvement.
*CONSISTENCY:
- Not that consistent statistically. He had at least one 30+ disposals game this year and a couple high 20s but he is usually around the low-mid teens.
- I would say his effort level is pretty consistent. He is though, one of those players who, when hot, can be very hot. He can have a quiet quarter but then have (say) 15 minutes where he is on-fire.
*AFL VERSATILITY:
(see above)
- Outside mid ("wing") suits ideally but there are other roles at AFL where he could inflict serious damage.
- If he can adopt a more accountable mentality, he could be dynamite running off/through half-back. (That is the role I would like ti see him strat out in).
- He also shows some talent inside traffic so perhaps an onball role down the track (but he is a long way off that, endurance-wise).
- There is probably no reason why he couldn't handle AFL HFF or FP. However, I prefer him in a role in which he can see the play unfold essentially in his flight path and exploit his superior pace, especially direct, so that his main value is as a regularly 80-90m play-breaker.
*CSI (COMPARATIVE SCOPE for IMPROVEMENT):
- Probably normal.
*QUERY:
- Endurance.
*SOME STATS:
- '05 WAFL Colts:
Avg approx 17disposals (incl 3 marks) in his 15 Colts games. Also played 2 Seniors games.
- Stats summary '05 U18 Champs:
Averaged 7 disposals and 2.3 marks in his 3 games. (Best TD 12).
Kicks per 20 disp: 15.
Kicks long vs short: 3-9 (3 long per 10 kicks).
Ineffective kicks: 4/17 (2.4 per 10 kicks), incl 2 clangers (1.2 per 10 kicks).
Ineffective handballs: 3/5 (6.0 per 10 handballs), incl 1 clangers (2.0 per 10 handballs).
Ineffective disposals: 7/22 (6.4 per 20 disp), incl 3 clangers (2.7 per 20 disp).
HandBall Receives: 2/22 (2 per 20 disp).
Hardball gets: 2/22 (2 per 20 disp).
S.P. clearances: 2/22 (2 per 20 disp), incl 0 BU (0 per 20 disp), incl 2 CBC (2 per 20 disp).
Tackles: 4 (Avg 1.3 per game).
Marks: 7 (6 per 20 disp), incl 2 contested (2.9 per 10 marks).
*OTHER STUFF:
- Added to '05 U18 trial squad. DOB orig listed as 2/9/88 but should be 9/2/88.
http://www.voy.com/51976/44535.html
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Just goes to show there are people employed and working in the football industry who have little idea.
What about in his summary, item 2, can turn game in one quarter. :banghead
JON cant turn his toast let along turn a game in a quarter
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:rollin :rollin dont know how he ever got a game a league level.
LMAO AFL ready second year :lol l expected to see something considering his background & origins.
l seen some hacks & he was surely one of them ;D cya JON thanks for nothing lame racehorse. NEXT
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Just goes to show there are people employed and working in the football industry who have little idea.
What about in his summary, item 2, can turn game in one quarter. :banghead
JON cant turn his toast let along turn a game in a quarter
He could turn a game, in favour of the opposition!! :lol
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Just goes to show there are people employed and working in the football industry who have little idea.
What about in his summary, item 2, can turn game in one quarter. :banghead
JON cant turn his toast let along turn a game in a quarter
Wiseby has been very accurate in most of his junior assessments and is one of the few who opened up their detailed notes to the public. If someone got every junior ranking and assessment right then they'd be the highest paid person in football. The RFC and Wiseby weren't the only ones who rated JON highly as a junior, so perhaps he showed something at U18 level that just didn't develop properly, wouldn't be the first at RFC to do that, we are a black hole of talent.
Perhaps you care to share your notes on all the U18 juniors this year so we can judge your ability or lack thereof.
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Just goes to show there are people employed and working in the football industry who have little idea.
What about in his summary, item 2, can turn game in one quarter. :banghead
JON cant turn his toast let along turn a game in a quarter
Wiseby has been very accurate in most of his junior assessments and is one of the few who opened up their detailed notes to the public. If someone got every junior ranking and assessment right then they'd be the highest paid person in football. The RFC and Wiseby weren't the only ones who rated JON highly as a junior, so perhaps he showed something at U18 level that just didn't develop properly, wouldn't be the first at RFC to do that, we are a black hole of talent.
Perhaps you care to share your notes on all the U18 juniors this year so we can judge your ability or lack thereof.
Mate, I dont pretend to have any knowledge of the current TAC players, unlike some..
I havent seen any tapes/games TAC for 2 years.
I have been too busy looking after my family and taking my daughter to see the Tiges lose on most weeks ;) :banghead.
Ask me about 2003 to 2006 and I will be able to answer.
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Just goes to show there are people employed and working in the football industry who have little idea.
What about in his summary, item 2, can turn game in one quarter. :banghead
JON cant turn his toast let along turn a game in a quarter
He could turn a game, in favour of the opposition!! :lol
:clapping
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Who rated him as numero uno??
Do they still want him!! :pray
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Greg Miller
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Just goes to show there are people employed and working in the football industry who have little idea.
What about in his summary, item 2, can turn game in one quarter. :banghead
JON cant turn his toast let along turn a game in a quarter
Wiseby has been very accurate in most of his junior assessments and is one of the few who opened up their detailed notes to the public. If someone got every junior ranking and assessment right then they'd be the highest paid person in football. The RFC and Wiseby weren't the only ones who rated JON highly as a junior, so perhaps he showed something at U18 level that just didn't develop properly, wouldn't be the first at RFC to do that, we are a black hole of talent.
Perhaps you care to share your notes on all the U18 juniors this year so we can judge your ability or lack thereof.
Mate, I dont pretend to have any knowledge of the current TAC players, unlike some..
I havent seen any tapes/games TAC for 2 years.
I have been too busy looking after my family and taking my daughter to see the Tiges lose on most weeks ;) :banghead.
Ask me about 2003 to 2006 and I will be able to answer.
You don't have any knowledge of current juniors, yet you're more than happy to berate those that put their opinion out there and get one wrong every now and then. I'd like to know what fantasy land you live in where every pick made is a certified gun.
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:rollin :rollin JON never played TAC ;D he came from East Perth & was not rated by many apart from the odd display which is hardly worth recruiting anyone on :lol
Hope this helps get over him cause you know nothing
Immediately after Richmond took Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, from East Perth.
Another East Fremantle veteran said: "He was inclined to be a little bit of a sooky, sooky la la, with us, but he's won me over.
"He could do some pretty freakish things, but he always seemed to have an excuse, 'the world's against me' sort of thing.
"He didn't have a great year in his last year here and ended up back in the Colts.
That was his last year at East Perth which he was drafted on :rollin :gotigers
cya JON he can sooky sooky back to the reservation ;D