One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 06, 2009, 07:45:57 PM
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According to 3aw
:pray
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yay
Raines, Schultz, next McMahon pls
:cheers
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Wonder if it will be for a pick or for Mitch
Thorp oops Farmer?
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Thorp isn't at Port. ???
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Thorp isn't at Port. ???
oops a typo - I meant Mitch Farmer
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Would rather a 4th round draft pick :-\
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Would rather a 4th round draft pick :-\
Why? Port's 4th round pick is 56. That's a bit late imo. Port's 3rd rounder (40) and Farmer for Schulz and our 5th rounder (67) sounds more reasonable, given that Farmer has next to no currency and isn't contracted like Schulz.
Would leave us with 3, 19, 35, 40, 44, 51
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Would rather a 4th round draft pick :-\
Why?
Cause i dont even know who this Farmer dude is. Would rather give a Gilligan or Connors type a go.
Ports 2nd rounder for our 4th rounder + Schultz would be a dream
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Would rather a 4th round draft pick :-\
Why?
Cause i dont even know who this Farmer dude is. Would rather give a Gilligan or Connors type a go.
Ports 2nd rounder for our 4th rounder + Schultz would be a dream
So you make judgement based on that. This is exactly how JON got recruited.
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Can tell you all,get the champagne out.
DEAL CONFIRMED ! :cheers
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Can tell you all,get the champagne out.
DEAL CONFIRMED ! :cheers
Good news but for what? 4th rounder?
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Can tell you all,get the champagne out.
DEAL CONFIRMED ! :cheers
Good news but for what? 4th rounder?
I will find out
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Mitch Farmer swap
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Depends what the deal is. Lets hope its for a pick under 50. Lets hope we havent downgraded pick 19. There are rumours we may have downgraded our 2nd rounder.
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Mitch Farmer swap
seems a bit lite on for me, dont we get a pick in the 60s as well. Farmer is a needs type player for us, but lets be honest he hasnt done much in footy, irrespective of the potential he showed a couple years back.
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Can tell you all,get the champagne out.
DEAL CONFIRMED ! :cheers
Jack you better not be kidding pal im about to pop open a bottle of Moet.
This is fantastic news for the club and i couldnt care less about the pick, thats just a bonus.
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Mate, only tell you what I have been told, been confirmed by Port not by Richmond ;)
Straight swap.
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We should look to upgrade pick 67 to 56, or 44 to 40.
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perfect. not happy on this farmer swap, probably another dud but if it means i dont have to see Schulz again then im happy.
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good riddance to schulz.
does harwick know farmer from his time at port or is this a case of anyone is better than schulz??
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perfect. not happy on this farmer swap, probably another dud but if it means i dont have to see Schulz again then im happy.
Maybe we got a pick upgrade?
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Schulz + 35 for Farmer + 24 is what somebody is saying on Bigfooty. That would be amazing.
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Schulz + 35 for Farmer + 24 is what somebody is saying on Bigfooty. That would be amazing.
That would be an outstanding result. The 11 pick upgrade would be fantastic if true.
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Why must trade week happen during the week I have a major economics assignment due? 4pm tomorrow. :-\
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Schulz + 35 for Farmer + 24 is what somebody is saying on Bigfooty. That would be amazing.
That would be very nice indeed
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im happy to get mitch farmer and lose schulz.
hoping we get to upgrade our picks to through it all.
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20 Yr old still unknown for a 24 Yr old proven failure :thumbsup
To upgrade the pick aswell, I may buy a tatts ticket.
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20 Yr old still unknown for a 24 Yr old proven failure :thumbsup
To upgrade the pick aswell, I may buy a tatts ticket.
Fantastic result if true. Please don't let this be a mirage in the desert. :pray
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take a draft pick.
mates who played with Farmer said he hasn't got the right attitude, to small, fact!
however, i think if it is a straight swap or Jay Schulz, it isn't that bad getting a small back/forward pocket player aged 20-21 years old.
but ... we don't need another small player!
:)
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take a draft pick.
mates who played with Farmer said he hasn't got the right attitude, to small, fact!
however, i think if it is a straight swap or Jay Schulz, it isn't that bad getting a small back/forward pocket player aged 20-21 years old.
but ... we don't need another small player!
:)
a couple of our current smaller players arent up to it and none of them can control opposition small forwards. farmer has to be given a chance.
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take a draft pick.
mates who played with Farmer said he hasn't got the right attitude, to small, fact!
however, i think if it is a straight swap or Jay Schulz, it isn't that bad getting a small back/forward pocket player aged 20-21 years old.
but ... we don't need another small player!
:)
a couple of our current smaller players arent up to it and none of them can control opposition small forwards. farmer has to be given a chance.
fully agree ;)
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Right decision to move Jay on. Shame he never lived up to early hopes.
Be interesting to see how he goes at Port.
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Can tell you all,get the champagne out.
DEAL CONFIRMED ! :cheers
Jack you better not be kidding pal im about to pop open a bottle of Moet.
This is fantastic news for the club and i couldnt care less about the pick, thats just a bonus.
So now you are happy to take crappy recycled players from other teams instead of draft picks to "re-build" UNREAL!!
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20 Yr old still unknown for a 24 Yr old proven failure :thumbsup
To upgrade the pick aswell, I may buy a tatts ticket.
Fantastic result if true. Please don't let this be a mirage in the desert. :pray
So now you are happy to take crappy recycled players from other teams instead of draft picks to "re-build" UNREAL!! Don't bank on the pick being upgraded. Better off with Schulz.
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So now you are happy to take crappy recycled players from other teams instead of draft picks to "re-build" UNREAL!!
Fair point.
Schulz has been a failure at Richmond but Farmer's done nothing for Port either.
I would have preferred a pick for Jay if it was possible.
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So now you are happy to take crappy recycled players from other teams instead of draft picks to "re-build" UNREAL!!
Fair point.
Schulz has been a failure at Richmond but Farmer's done nothing for Port either.
I would have preferred a pick for Jay if it was possible.
I just wish some people would stick to their guns regarding swapping players for players or picks for players or what the hell ever, not meaning you MM. :thumbsup
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I couldn't find this on the net so I scanned it in.....
Port deal now up to Schulz
By Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun | Wed 07 Oct 2009, Page 76
MUCH-maligned Richmond tall Jay Schulz is set to find a new home at Port Adelaide, two years after a deal for the first-round pick fell through.
Schulz, 24, has struggled with form and consistency in seven years at Richmond.
Should he agree to a deal, the Tigers will receive Mitch Farmer, a pacy half-back flanker-midfielder from the Calder Cannons, who has struggled with injury.
At 20, he has played three senior games.
Schulz, contracted for next year, was to be traded to Port Adelaide two seasons ago for a second-round selection but the deal fell through.
The former No. 12 pick has played 71 games.
There has been no interest in Shane Tuck, and with the son of AFL legend Michael contracted, the club might have to keep him next year.
Richmond has already received a third-round pick for Andrew Raines.
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Can tell you all,get the champagne out.
DEAL CONFIRMED ! :cheers
Jack you better not be kidding pal im about to pop open a bottle of Moet.
This is fantastic news for the club and i couldnt care less about the pick, thats just a bonus.
Daniel, I dont am not into kidding
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Can't believe he's still only 24 - been around for decades it seems
Sounds like the deal is a lose-lose for both parties
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Another stupid trade
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Can tell you all,get the champagne out.
DEAL CONFIRMED ! :cheers
Jack you better not be kidding pal im about to pop open a bottle of Moet.
This is fantastic news for the club and i couldnt care less about the pick, thats just a bonus.
So now you are happy to take crappy recycled players from other teams instead of draft picks to "re-build" UNREAL!!
your 100% right!!
just because im happy to see Schulz go doesn't mean im happy we may have this bloke Farmer at our club
Mitch farmer what do we know about him.
We know he is really skinny, hardly tall, we know he hardly played a game and we know Choco doesn't rate him.
what does that mean??
probably another list clogger but if it means Schulz is delisted and we upgrade a pick then i can live with it i guess
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fair dinkum :lol swapped Shulzs for another undersized player :banghead is this club for real
It just keeps getting bad for the supporters.
Now we got a complete match for Nahas & Kingy :rollin
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Mitch Farmer >>>> Pick 80+ Port would offer for Schulz>>>>Jay Schulz
Simple as that.
Mitch is also more of a footballers size. 180cms and 82 kgs, compared to Jake (174, 74) and Nahas (176, 67).
Probably our best chance to be a back pocket player that doesn't get rag dolled by small forwards. :help
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Mitch Farmer >>>> Pick 80+ Port would offer for Schulz>>>>Jay Schulz
Simple as that.
Mitch is also more of a footballers size. 180cms and 82 kgs, compared to Jake (174, 74) and Nahas (176, 67).
Probably our best chance to be a back pocket player that doesn't get rag dolled by small forwards. :help
I agree with this
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Mitch Farmer >>>> Pick 80+ Port would offer for Schulz>>>>Jay Schulz
Simple as that.
Mitch is also more of a footballers size. 180cms and 82 kgs, compared to Jake (174, 74) and Nahas (176, 67).
Probably our best chance to be a back pocket player that doesn't get rag dolled by small forwards. :help
has Port been using anabolic steroids on thier players cause the Mitch l know was not near 82kg
infact he was around 76-77 kg & his played 3 games for memory
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Mitch Farmer >>>> Pick 80+ Port would offer for Schulz>>>>Jay Schulz
Simple as that.
Mitch is also more of a footballers size. 180cms and 82 kgs, compared to Jake (174, 74) and Nahas (176, 67).
Probably our best chance to be a back pocket player that doesn't get rag dolled by small forwards. :help
has Port been using anabolic steroids on thier players cause the Mitch l know was not near 82kg
infact he was around 76-77 kg & his played 3 games for memory
77kgs was his draft weight 2 years ago, TM. :cheers
5kg gain isn't an amazing gain. He doesn't have our Matt Hornsby training him remember. :shh :rollin
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haha 5 kgs in 2 year :lol l can put on in a month
well l hope he wants to play for Richmond & not like Shulzs tellin everyone his not interested to perform for the Tigers the season gone
should have been made to go into the draft
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Richmonds membership slogan this year should be
Meals on Wheels ;D
do they eat down there cause since David Bourke nothing has changed
Time to work, Richmond dont make me money, they are pathetic :banghead
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haha 5 kgs in 2 year :lol l can put on in a month
well l hope he wants to play for Richmond & not like Shulzs tellin everyone his not interested to perform for the Tigers the season gone
should have been made to go into the draft
Exactly. So steroids it ain't. :thumbsup
Well we can only hope, and trust, he puts in more than Schulz. It wouldn't be hard.
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I hope we get a pick upgrade for this swap.
Schulz can play a third defender/sweeper role (game against Hawks in 2008). He's a neat kick and can take a grab.
Farmer might not be any good at all.
We need to get rid of Schulz. Raines came out and said that he is not getting a go and wants another opportunity somewhere else.
Schulz seems happy plodding along in the VFL, kicking a few bags here and there, and doesn't kick up a fuss about not getting a senior game!
I think he has the 'cancer'.
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I hope we get a pick upgrade for this swap.
Schulz can play a third defender/sweeper role (game against Hawks in 2008). He's a neat kick and can take a grab.
Farmer might not be any good at all.
We need to get rid of Schulz. Raines came out and said that he is not getting a go and wants another opportunity somewhere else.
Schulz seems happy plodding along in the VFL, kicking a few bags here and there, and doesn't kick up a fuss about not getting a senior game!
I think he has the 'cancer'.
What, for Coburg? And in one AFL game, that was in his 5th year of the big time?
Don't overrate our players.
Just because we see Schulz do a couple of things at Coburg doesn't mean he's better than what Farmer is doing in the SANFL that we do not take any notice of. Port supporters do not seem keen to lose him after only 2 years, which is better than them wanting him out the door.
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What, for Coburg? And in one AFL game, that was in his 5th year of the big time?
Don't overrate our players.
Late picks, not Schulz and 51 for Farmer and 8.
More like Schulz and 51 for Farmer and 40.
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Michaelangelo Rucci was just on SEN.
Confirmed the Schulz/Farmer swap was happening, then added....
Port Adelaide are starting to get on top of this trading game....
:lol :lol :lol
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Straight Swap, disappointing.
Questions have to be asked? Has Richmond researched Farmer at all? Or are we going in off just media releases and some Portadelaide.com write ups?
Maybe Schultz was going to be delisted anyway..
Just frustrating we keep feeding ourselves the same medicine, but Mitch may go alright.
Mark Williams is as ruthless as they come and he would certainly not let someone go that has potential. I would have liked Ports pick 40.
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Yeah, really feeding ourselves the same medicine by getting rid of a list clogger that was threatening to make it 7 years of clogging. :banghead :banghead
Yeah we've done no other research popelord, I'm sure Brendon Lade knows nothing about him for a start. ::) ::)
I for one, applaud this trade. Schulz is no good, and Farmer is an unknown quantity but has far more chance of coming right than Schulz. It's a win for us.
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I'm disappointed with this trade. Even though Schulz showed nothing this year he was a good defender for us last year and has showed glimpses of ability in the forwardline when he has been given a chance. Talls don't grow on trees and I was hoping with added motivation and opportunity he may finally realize his potential as a key forward.
I agree completely with WA Tiger here. Surely we have learnt our lesson with trades haven't we?! Thomson cost us a third round pick last year, to the same club we are initiating this trade as well. Port does not give away good players - we do.
Farmer is small, injury prone and has achieved nothing to date. Small players are a dime a dozen, KPP are as rare as hens teeth. A swap for Hughes would have been a better move as he is of similar age and has done as little as Farmer. Schulz is reaching peak size and experience so he has a lot more upside than Farmer does.
If Farmer comes on it will be a minor win for the Tigers but if Schulz steps up for Port it would be a masterstroke. We should get more out of the deal than just a straight Swap.
Stripes
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Not sure about this trade as talls are hard to find but at least the Kid is comming home and should feel comfy
From Port Website
Junior Clubs: Craigieburn
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One less lazy footballer at our club is a bonus IMO. :thumbsup Farmer could be anything for us so here's hoping. :pray
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Yeah, really feeding ourselves the same medicine by getting rid of a list clogger that was threatening to make it 7 years of clogging. :banghead :banghead
Yeah we've done no other research popelord, I'm sure Brendon Lade knows nothing about him for a start. ::) ::)
I for one, applaud this trade. Schulz is no good, and Farmer is an unknown quantity but has far more chance of coming right than Schulz. It's a win for us.
Seems a bit rushed TA. W haven't sort after Farmer he's been given to us for wanting to offload Schultz. We offload a player for an offloaded player. You don't get many of these right.
As for research I forgot about Lade's knowledge but I reckon the fact Williams doesn't want him speaks louder than Lade thinking he goes ok.
The chances are higher I suppose but if we recieved a pick instead at least we have control on who we get instead of accepting Mitch Farmer, which is what it seems like.
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Look I think Schultz has been given plenty of chances, he obviously isn't settleing in after 6-7 odd years and 70 games, he's been tried everywhere and otehr than the Brisbane game of 7 goals has never played 4 quarters.
The decision to trade Schultz is correct you can't keep giving the same chickens the food.
I just think we're not benefiting out of the deal. Farmer was a pick 49, and has not shown glimpses of eliteness at all. I think we'd be better off getting a pick 40-50 and rolling the dice on the likes of Tom Harms, Matt Scott or an Alex Calder.
I could be wrong I just prefer the gamble of an unknown kid then someone whose been in the system for 2 years and has failed to impress a club. With ful knowledge Farmer wasn't getting a game at at SANFL level so he switched clubs to get in a senior side, credit to himself he played well when he did but questions have to be asked: Surely Schultz is worth more than a avg SANFL player?
I want pick 40 for Schultz.
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Yeah, really feeding ourselves the same medicine by getting rid of a list clogger that was threatening to make it 7 years of clogging. :banghead :banghead
Yeah we've done no other research popelord, I'm sure Brendon Lade knows nothing about him for a start. ::) ::)
I for one, applaud this trade. Schulz is no good, and Farmer is an unknown quantity but has far more chance of coming right than Schulz. It's a win for us.
Seems a bit rushed TA. W haven't sort after Farmer he's been given to us for wanting to offload Schultz. We offload a player for an offloaded player. You don't get many of these right.
As for research I forgot about Lade's knowledge but I reckon the fact Williams doesn't want him speaks louder than Lade thinking he goes ok.
The chances are higher I suppose but if we recieved a pick instead at least we have control on who we get instead of accepting Mitch Farmer, which is what it seems like.
How do you know we didn't seek Farmer? I've been led to believe we and Hawthorn showed interest Farmer who wants to return to Victoria. Have you heard differently???
Mark Williams also wanted Danny Meyer. What a masterstroke. :shh
I reckon Farmer is a better punt than a 5th (72) or 6th (88) round pick, maybe 4th round if you got real lucky, which is all a sane recruiter would offer, not pick 40. And by trading for him we do have control of the player we request and agree on. We aren't being held to ransom here.
An average 20 year old SANFL player for an average 24 year old VFL player. Sounds like they hold the same trade currency to me, or if anything, we win.
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heres a report on Mitch from the Port site written by Tredrea and another
Hardly injury prone ,missed 3 games and they may have been byes
reminds me of Andy Collins progress
Rd 1 -Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v Glenelg reserves @ the Bay) – Mitch played half back and wing and had 17 possessions in a solid game. He had a good influence whenever he was around the ball – going very hard at the contest – but we’d just like him to make a few more contests.
Rd 2-Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v Norwood reserves @ Unley) – Didn’t have a big influence in the first half but worked his way into the game in the second half when he started to win his own ball and link up well through the midfield. If he plays four quarters like that he’ll be pushing for league selection, which is where he’s capable of playing.
Rd 3 -Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v West reserves @ Unley) – Mitch played a bit on the back flank and also on ball. It was a clear improvement on last week and he’s now improving each week. He started to win a bit more of his own ball and also used the ball efficiently. If he can play four quarters of that football, he’ll be pushing for a league spot. Finished with 12 kicks, 6 marks and 5 handballs.
Rd 5- Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v North reserves @ Unley) – Mitch handled the ball very well in some shocking conditions. Had limited opportunities to impact the game from the half back line, but did his best to rebound from defence finishing with 13 possessions and 3 tackles.
Rd 6- Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v Port reserves @ Alberton) – Mitch’s best game for the year and it really started to look like the Farmer that we saw last year. Played in the middle and up forward, he ran hard, chased hard and looked lively. He finished with 14 kicks, 7 marks, 5 handballs and 2 goals. That’s the standard we expect of him and we’ve done a bit of extra work with him in showing him how he played last year and the things he needed to change to turn his form around. It’s pleasing to see him implement those things and if he can keep up that sort of form he’ll be back in the league side sooner rather than later.
Rd 7-Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v Eagles reserves @ Woodville) – A 17 touch game from Mitch, and although he started slowly, he worked his way into the game and played some tough footy with some good, hard tackling. He played on the ball and at half back and had a good impact at the stoppages. Will be looking for league selection soon.
Rd8-Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v South reserves @ Unley) – Another good game from Mitch this week, playing a bit more up forward and finishing with 3 goals to go with 16 touches and 5 marks. He was intense at the contest and if he can play another few weeks like that, he’ll be up playing league, which is where we think he should be playing considering his talent.
Rd 9- Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v Norwood reserves @ the Parade) – Mitch’s best game for the year by a fair way. He played in the midfield and across the half forward flank, collecting 14 kicks, 6 handballs and taking 12 marks, to go with a very impressive 4.1. We were really impressed with his work ethic and if he can perform like that for a couple of weeks in a row, he’ll be up playing league.
Rd 10 - Mitch Farmer (for Sturt reserves v Central reserves @ Unley) – A reasonable game from Mitch with 16 disposals and a couple of goals playing on the ball and down back. He used his penetrating kick nicely and won a bit of his own ball with some hard ball gets.
Rd 12 - Mitch Farmer (for South reserves v Eagles reserves @ Noarlunga) – Mitch moved from Sturt to South to give himself a better opportunity to play league football and develop as a player. He played his first game for the Panthers on the weekend and impressed with 18 kicks, 6 handballs, 9 marks and 1.3 playing in the midfield and half forward. He showed some good intensity at the contest and could have topped his game off had he kicked a bit straighter.
Rd 13 Mitch Farmer (for South v Central @ Noarlunga) – Mitch played his first league game for his new club, playing half forward and on the ball. His pressure all over the ground was good, chasing hard and applying 8 tackles. He’s still learning the structures of his new team but he regularly got to the right spots. He wasn’t always used but it was good to see he kept presenting. Finished with 1.1 and he’ll be looking to have a real impact for South for the remainder of the season.
Rd 14 - Mitch Farmer (for South v Glenelg @ the Bay) – Played half back and in the midfield and had an impact straight away when he came on. He tackled and chased hard but he needs to work on his endurance and also winning more of his own ball. Finished with 6 kicks, 5 handballs and an impressive 8 tackles.
Rd 15 Mitch Farmer (for South v Port @ Alberton) – A good game for Mitch after a slow start. He had 21 possessions, 5 tackles and a goal playing half back and a bit in the middle. He had some good in and under clearance work and looked very controlled down back for the Panthers.
Rd 16 Mitch Farmer (for South v Sturt @ Noarlunga) – Probably Mitch’s best game for the year. He played down back and attacked the footy and the man hard, showing some good speed, something we haven’t really seen since lasty year. He beat his man all day, played some desperate footy – smothering and tackling – and was back closer to the level we expect of Mitch. Finished with 10 kicks, 4 marks, 4 handballs and a goal.
Rd 17 Mitch Farmer (for South v Norwood @ the Parade) – Mitch played on ex-Sydney player Simon Phillips and held him to just one goal. He worked hard on him and probably won his position in the end. He’s starting to get back to the level he was at towards the end of 2008.
Rd 18 Mitch Farmer (for South v West @ Richmond) – Mitch worked hard in a side that was getting beaten pretty convincingly, with some good spoils in the backline. He provided some good run at times before moving to full back in the second half on a bigger opponent and did a good job. Finished with 12 possessions and 7 tackles
Rd 20 Cibo Glenelg SANFL Player of the Week
Mitch Farmer (for South v Eagles @ Thebarton) – An impressive game from Mitch, showing some of the speed we saw from him last year, rebounding from defence. He had 13 kicks, 6 handballs, 2 marks and 5 tackles. He worked up the ground to go inside 50 and give his teammates some scoring opportunities. He’s starting to find a nice mixture of defence and attack in his game and he’s slowly improving each week since moving to South.
Rd 21 Mitch Farmer (for South v Central @ Elizabeth) – Another good effort from Mitch, who has steadily improved since making the switch to South. Starting to win a bit more of the ball at the stoppages and providing some good rebound from defence. He finished with 20 possessions and 4 tackles.
Rd 22 Mitch Farmer (for South v Port @ Noarlunga) – Mitch was again good playing half back and on the ball. He had 8 kicks, 5 marks, 10 handballs and a goal. He linked well moving out of defence and used the ball well. He pushed forward late in the game to kick a goal that helped the Panthers get across the line.
Rd 23Mitch Farmer (for South v North @ Prospect) – Mitch played half back and on the ball, showing some real drive at the ball, but not consistently enough. He needs to get more of the ball to have a greater impact. He used the ball well with 7 kicks and 6 handballs.
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It has nothing to do with Farmer not being wanted, he has been offered a new contract and has turned it down, he wants to come home.
He's a well skilled back pocket, we need one of those, he was also a leader at junior level, we could do with more of that too
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Yeah, really feeding ourselves the same medicine by getting rid of a list clogger that was threatening to make it 7 years of clogging. :banghead :banghead
Yeah we've done no other research popelord, I'm sure Brendon Lade knows nothing about him for a start. ::) ::)
I for one, applaud this trade. Schulz is no good, and Farmer is an unknown quantity but has far more chance of coming right than Schulz. It's a win for us.
Seems a bit rushed TA. W haven't sort after Farmer he's been given to us for wanting to offload Schultz. We offload a player for an offloaded player. You don't get many of these right.
As for research I forgot about Lade's knowledge but I reckon the fact Williams doesn't want him speaks louder than Lade thinking he goes ok.
The chances are higher I suppose but if we recieved a pick instead at least we have control on who we get instead of accepting Mitch Farmer, which is what it seems like.
How do you know we didn't seek Farmer? I've been led to believe we and Hawthorn showed interest Farmer who wants to return to Victoria. Have you heard differently???
Mark Williams also wanted Danny Meyer. What a masterstroke. :shh
I reckon Farmer is a better punt than a 5th (72) or 6th (88) round pick, maybe 4th round if you got real lucky, which is all a sane recruiter would offer, not pick 40. And by trading for him we do have control of the player we request and agree on. We aren't being held to ransom here.
An average 20 year old SANFL player for an average 24 year old VFL player. Sounds like they hold the same trade currency to me, or if anything, we win.
TA i have no idea if we've researched him or not? "Questions have to be asked? Has Richmond researched Farmer at all?" I'm asking if anyone else knows?
Danny Meyer was a rookie at pick 40 odd, it's a bit different when your trading a 24 yr old tall of 71 AFL games.
I'm certainly not overrating Schultz just think we are going round in circles swapping a player whose is a fringe player for another fringe player. I'd rather start again and see if we can find another Andy Collins or McGuane in the 50's and 60s.
72 and 88 are to high for Schultz, I'd just love to see us play a bit harder that's all.
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It has nothing to do with Farmer not being wanted, he has been offered a new contract and has turned it down, he wants to come home.
He's a well skilled back pocket, we need one of those, he was also a leader at junior level, we could do with more of that too
Thanks Infamy that's good information to hear.
In terms of wanting to come home, that certainly makes things alot better.
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Yeah, really feeding ourselves the same medicine by getting rid of a list clogger that was threatening to make it 7 years of clogging. :banghead :banghead
Yeah we've done no other research popelord, I'm sure Brendon Lade knows nothing about him for a start. ::) ::)
I for one, applaud this trade. Schulz is no good, and Farmer is an unknown quantity but has far more chance of coming right than Schulz. It's a win for us.
Seems a bit rushed TA. W haven't sort after Farmer he's been given to us for wanting to offload Schultz. We offload a player for an offloaded player. You don't get many of these right.
As for research I forgot about Lade's knowledge but I reckon the fact Williams doesn't want him speaks louder than Lade thinking he goes ok.
The chances are higher I suppose but if we recieved a pick instead at least we have control on who we get instead of accepting Mitch Farmer, which is what it seems like.
How do you know we didn't seek Farmer? I've been led to believe we and Hawthorn showed interest Farmer who wants to return to Victoria. Have you heard differently???
Mark Williams also wanted Danny Meyer. What a masterstroke. :shh
I reckon Farmer is a better punt than a 5th (72) or 6th (88) round pick, maybe 4th round if you got real lucky, which is all a sane recruiter would offer, not pick 40. And by trading for him we do have control of the player we request and agree on. We aren't being held to ransom here.
An average 20 year old SANFL player for an average 24 year old VFL player. Sounds like they hold the same trade currency to me, or if anything, we win.
TA i have no idea if we've researched him or not? "Questions have to be asked? Has Richmond researched Farmer at all?" I'm asking if anyone else knows?
Danny Meyer was a rookie at pick 40 odd, it's a bit different when your trading a 24 yr old tall of 71 AFL games.
I'm certainly not overrating Schultz just think we are going round in circles swapping a player whose is a fringe player for another fringe player. I'd rather start again and see if we can find another Andy Collins or McGuane in the 50's and 60s.
72 and 88 are to high for Schultz, I'd just love to see us play a bit harder that's all.
I don't think 72 and 88 are too high for Schulz, that's how bad I reckon he is.
So sorry, nup. Schulz has played more games because we needed a big man and had blind hope. He hasn't played many good games in those 71.
Considering our difference in opinion on Mitch Farmer and Jay Schulz's currency as players we'll keep going round in circles but this trade has brightened my day.
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TA I don't rate Schultz at all, I had him delisted until I found out he was contracted.
Farmer > Schultz more than likely. I'm just heavily against picking up players clubs don't want. In any business you don't let decent assets go. And it just looked as if we're ripping off old sticky tape and putting new sticky tape down.
But the news that Farmer wants out anyway is music to my ears.
I'd take anything for Schultz, but until I heard that Farmer wanted to come home it seemed we were replacing a 24 year old Schultz with a 20 year old Schultz.
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I am happy for the trade as well.
While we need KPF's badly and I held out hope for Schulz as a player, the time has come to get rid of the cloggers.
Thank God for Port who like taking duds off our hands. Can we send them Jordie as a thank you. ;D
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But the news that Farmer wants out anyway is music to my ears.
I'd take anything for Schultz, but until I heard that Farmer wanted to come home it seemed we were replacing a 24 year old Schultz with a 20 year old Schultz.
Surely I didn't fail to mention that somewhere? :banghead(at myself)
(Apparently)Port offered him a one year contract, he said no, and Hawthorn and Richmond showed interest.
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But the news that Farmer wants out anyway is music to my ears.
I'd take anything for Schultz, but until I heard that Farmer wanted to come home it seemed we were replacing a 24 year old Schultz with a 20 year old Schultz.
Surely I didn't fail to mention that somewhere? :banghead(at myself)
(Apparently)Port offered him a one year contract, he said no, and Hawthorn and Richmond showed interest.
Yeah that's great news, I wouldn't want to be at Port either. The addition Hawthorn showing interest is superb. It now obvious we're winning out of the deal with Farmer going and Port wanting something for him and taking Schultz off our hands, Thank you.
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It has nothing to do with Farmer not being wanted, he has been offered a new contract and has turned it down, he wants to come home.
He's a well skilled back pocket, we need one of those, he was also a leader at junior level, we could do with more of that too
That does sound better but I am 'bitten' at the moment by recent trades so will be 'twice shy' :-X. Until he performs on the big stage I will take this trade deal as a mistake and another missed chance. I think I'm getting jaded :(
Stripes
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It has nothing to do with Farmer not being wanted, he has been offered a new contract and has turned it down, he wants to come home.
He's a well skilled back pocket, we need one of those, he was also a leader at junior level, we could do with more of that too
That does sound better but I am 'bitten' at the moment by recent trades so will be 'twice shy' :-X. Until he performs on the big stage I will take this trade deal as a mistake and another missed chance. I think I'm getting jaded :(
Stripes
But I don't understand when we aren't losing a draft pick and we aren't losing a decent player, how it could end up a mistake?
It's one of most low-risk trades you could make and if he is a bust, it barely matters because thats what we expected from Schulz anyway.
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If Farmer comes on it will be a minor win for the Tigers but if Schulz steps up for Port it would be a masterstroke. We should get more out of the deal than just a straight Swap.
Totally agree with this. At the very least I'd want an upgraded later pick.
This straight swap business has Port laughing IMO.
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This straight swap business has Port laughing IMO.
Port has Meyer, Rodan and now Schulz. I know who should be laughing.
Port = Richmond Reject Shop
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Great now we will have 2 bumbble bees fumbling around in the backline giving away free kicks and turnovers, him and King!!!
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Great now we will have 2 bumbble bees fumbling around in the backline giving away free kicks and turnovers, him and King!!!
You have fair dinkum become the biggest flog on this board in the space of a few weeks. ::)
Congratulations.
Btw, have you EVER actually seen any vision of him?
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This straight swap business has Port laughing IMO.
Port has Meyer, Rodan and now Schulz. I know who should be laughing.
Port = Richmond Reject Shop
Yet they still finish ahead of us nearly every year. :banghead We need to worry about out own bag of sh!te.
When will this deal be finalised anyway?
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This is a better than nothing out come for Richmond, with some upside potential.
Shultz was marking time with us and was never going to make it as an AFL footballer at Richmond. He would have seen out his contract next year, been delisted and walked off into obscurity and nobody would have cared less and that includes 98% of the posters on this board.
I can't see that there would be any club that would trade a pick for shultz anywhere under pick 60, so we are not "missing out" so to speak, for heaven's sake, shultz is worth nothing.
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This is a better than nothing out come for Richmond, with some upside potential.
Shultz was marking time with us and was never going to make it as an AFL footballer at Richmond. He would have seen out his contract next year, been delisted and walked off into obscurity and nobody would have cared less and that includes 98% of the posters on this board.
I can't see that there would be any club that would trade a pick for shultz anywhere under pick 60, so we are not "missing out" so to speak, for heaven's sake, shultz is worth nothing.
:clapping :thumbsup
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Would have rathered a draft pick
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SEN twitter asked about Schulz and Farmer swap:
Yes that appears to be right, waiting on paperwork, but it sounds like both parties agree,unsure of picks as yet.
http://twitter.com/SENNEWS
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It has nothing to do with Farmer not being wanted, he has been offered a new contract and has turned it down, he wants to come home.
He's a well skilled back pocket, we need one of those, he was also a leader at junior level, we could do with more of that too
That does sound better but I am 'bitten' at the moment by recent trades so will be 'twice shy' :-X. Until he performs on the big stage I will take this trade deal as a mistake and another missed chance. I think I'm getting jaded :(
Stripes
But I don't understand when we aren't losing a draft pick and we aren't losing a decent player, how it could end up a mistake?
It's one of most low-risk trades you could make and if he is a bust, it barely matters because thats what we expected from Schulz anyway.
Farmer is a discard for Port, Schulz a discard for us. The difference is the potential upside of each player. Port was offering a second round pick for Schulz last year and the only difference between this year and last has been the Tigers selectors. Schulz wasn't given the same opportunities this year compared to last because our selectors were looking to play more of our developing players in the backline rather than a mid-aged player. Schulz himself did not play any worse than he was the previous year.
Now I'm not expecting a 2nd round pick this year but I do believe that Schulz has a huge upside compared to Farmer. He would probably never realize it at Tigerland but he is a genuine tall who has proved he can play at either end of the field. Farmer on the other hand has been struggling all year in the 2nds trying to break into the Port team. Now I'm not sure how competitive positions are in the Port side for small forwards/defenders but, other than his age, he does not have the same value as Schulz.
This is why I can see this this as a potential error. I think we definitely should move him on for something but considering Port wanted him for a 2nd rounder last year, he is a tall defender/forward and still relatively young - is worth an additional pick or upgrade at the least in my book.
That's why I see the trade as a possible mistake
Stripes
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is this official?
:)
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Farmer is a discard for Port, Schulz a discard for us. The difference is the potential upside of each player.
Farmer isn't a discard if he was offered a contract and he knocked it back because he wanted to come back to Victoria. And the difference in potential upside of a 2 year, 20 year old versus a 7 year, 25 year old that has never been able to cement a place in a poor team is quite large I would have thought.
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Farmer is a discard for Port, Schulz a discard for us. The difference is the potential upside of each player.
Farmer isn't a discard if he was offered a contract and he knocked it back because he wanted to come back to Victoria. And the difference in potential upside of a 2 year, 20 year old versus a 7 year, 25 year old that has never been able to cement a place in a poor team is quite large I would have thought.
you know this how??
did he say this and if so on what website?
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Rohde was just on 5AA.
Is busy with the Burgoyne trade but is "very confident the Schulz deal will get done in the next 24 hours or so in a swap for Farmer. Minor details to be sorted." Also said they offered Farmer a new contract but he declined.
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Rohde was just on 5AA.
Is busy with the Burgoyne trade but is "very confident the Schulz deal will get done in the next 24 hours or so in a swap for Farmer. Minor details to be sorted." Also said they offered Farmer a new contract but he declined.
Thanks TA. :thumbsup My FW Filter prevented me from responding. ;)
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Rohde was just on 5AA.
Is busy with the Burgoyne trade but is "very confident the Schulz deal will get done in the next 24 hours or so in a swap for Farmer. Minor details to be sorted." Also said they offered Farmer a new contract but he declined.
Thanks TA. :thumbsup My FW Filter prevented me from responding. ;)
more like you cant find the quote cause it never happened :thumbsup
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Rohde was just on 5AA.
Is busy with the Burgoyne trade but is "very confident the Schulz deal will get done in the next 24 hours or so in a swap for Farmer. Minor details to be sorted." Also said they offered Farmer a new contract but he declined.
Thanks TA. :thumbsup My FW Filter prevented me from responding. ;)
more like you cant find the quote cause it never happened :thumbsup
Can be as specific to say the live Peter Rohde interview did happen on 5aa Adelaide at 4:35pm AEDST this afternoon, daniel.
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Why why why???
Prefer a pick, untried kid with "P" as opposed to kid in the system with 3 games...then again..he could be the next Morton in the backline....
I personally would much rather pick up a kid who cant get a game at geelong or stkilda (ala Prismall - though he had just broken into the seniors for a dozen matches then did his knee)...just my humble opinion.
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Rohde was just on 5AA.
Is busy with the Burgoyne trade but is "very confident the Schulz deal will get done in the next 24 hours or so in a swap for Farmer. Minor details to be sorted." Also said they offered Farmer a new contract but he declined.
Thanks TA. :thumbsup My FW Filter prevented me from responding. ;)
more like you cant find the quote cause it never happened :thumbsup
Can be as specific to say the live Peter Rohde interview did happen on 5aa Adelaide at 4:35pm AEDST this afternoon, daniel.
i believe it like i believe Fev will go to the Pies.
Rhode can say what he likes, what did you think he was going to say. "Farmer is rubbish we are glad to see him go"
It never happened till i hear it come from Farmer's mouth.
Its clear they dont think highly of him so in comes Richmond to pick up another hack
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Rhode can say what he likes, what did you think he was going to say. "Farmer is rubbish we are glad to see him go"
It never happened till i hear it come from Farmer's mouth.
Its clear they dont think highly of him so in comes Richmond to pick up another hack
So a podcast of the interview wouldn't be enough for you daniel ???
Podcust should be up later this evening ;D
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So now you are happy to take crappy recycled players from other teams instead of draft picks to "re-build" UNREAL!!
Fair point.
Schulz has been a failure at Richmond but Farmer's done nothing for Port either.
I would have preferred a pick for Jay if it was possible.
I just wish some people would stick to their guns regarding swapping players for players or picks for players or what the hell ever, not meaning you MM. :thumbsup
No the kid fits a need. He plays back pocket and that has been an area we have strugggled in. Remember Corey Jones and Steven Milne in 2008. Furthermore the kid is 20 and has an upside of wanting to return back to Victoria. All it costs us is a player who has clogged the list for 7 years without any improvement. If we get a draft pick for Schulz rather than Farmer that is great too. Farmer is 20 and fits in developmental terms the age group that we are looking for to recruit a player at a very low cost to us. I think we are better off. You wouldn't delist a player who has been in the system for two years opposed to someone who has been there for seven and shown no improvement.
You .... were proposing players such as Seaby Nicoski and Hooper merely because they were available which would cost us alot more. Some of those players have been riddled with injuries and couldn't kick over a jam tin. Furthermore those players are mid 20's and are not the type of age group we are looking for. Those players are top up players for teams that believe their premiership window is open. Ours isn't so why would we want them?
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Ch 7 news just said the deal is "on the verge" of being done. So not done yet.
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OMFG 7 years Shulzs was at the club :rollin
and the deal aint done yet oh please who the dick doing our talking
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;D :rollin
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Just read most of the garbage posts on here.
Will say this.
Schulz has been tried and failed, will fail at Port. He is worth NOTHING!
Farmer I have seen as a youngest and seems to have lost his way over at Port.
Would think he has more potential than Adam Thomson. who we wasted a pick on.
Lets wait and see,
this kid is worth a chance
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Enough with the personal insults and toe-to-toe sniping or snip! ::) :banghead
Anyway back to the topic!
Rohde ... also confirmed Port Adelaide was on the verge of securing Richmond forward Jay Schulz.
Youngster Mitch Farmer could form the other end of that deal, with the defender offered a two-year contract by the Tigers.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85837/default.aspx
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wow, i cant believe a player like Shultz can invoke such emotion. 20 year old home sick kids are worth a shot. I'm really sick of small forwards tearing us up, if he can fill that role then he will be a good aquisition.
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Rohde just said on 3aw that there's a lot of goodwill between Port and Richmond and the deal should be done tomorrow.
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Well like I said a million times, I don't agrre with the trade but if the RFC believes it is in the best interest of the club to take us to a flag then I will support the move. I will also support Farmer next year and wish him all the best at the club like I did when Schulz joined us... :lol
Really though good luck to him. :thumbsup
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wow, i cant believe a player like Shultz can invoke such emotion. 20 year old home sick kids are worth a shot. I'm really sick of small forwards tearing us up, if he can fill that role then he will be a good aquisition.
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wow, i cant believe a player like Shultz can invoke such emotion. 20 year old home sick kids are worth a shot. I'm really sick of small forwards tearing us up, if he can fill that role then he will be a good aquisition.
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Isn't that what King, Newman and a couple of others have failed at? Shouldn't we be trying to stop the ball getting down there. I am just worried that we are going small again.
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Schultz is worth hardly anything and is one of the most frustrating players to watch run around.
However, I think everyone would agree that it's about time we win out of a trade for once.
Johnson trade = Fail
Brown trade = Fail (although the picks we gave up were in a horrible draft)
Ottens trade = Huge Fail.
Thompson = At this stage fail
the list goes on.
Would love to see a club overrate one of our players for once and over compensate us rather than the other way round every year.
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Would love to see a club overrate one of our players for once and over compensate us rather than the other way round every year.
Fiora - Black - Simmonds?
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Farmer is a discard for Port, Schulz a discard for us. The difference is the potential upside of each player.
Farmer isn't a discard if he was offered a contract and he knocked it back because he wanted to come back to Victoria. And the difference in potential upside of a 2 year, 20 year old versus a 7 year, 25 year old that has never been able to cement a place in a poor team is quite large I would have thought.
If Port was going to offer a 2nd round pick only last year and the only difference is the opportunities Schulz was awarded this year as opposed to last then wouldn't that suggest perhaps he is worth more to them than a 3 game player who has struggled to break into their side. Couple that with a player who is a KPP at either end of the ground compared to a small pocket player and I would suggest the upside is potentially greater for Port in the trade.
After 7 years at Richmond we have run out of patience for Schulz but given new opportunities and a new start he may yet become a good player for Port :whistle
I'm hoping Farmer will become a star for us but looking purely at the trade and the players credentials as it stands at the moment - I would hope that we would get more than just a straight player swap out of the trade.
But please don't think I would be unhappy to get Farmer at Tigerland, in fact I think he could be a great find for the team. It's just that I think we should get more from the trade based on the players experience, potential upside and role importance.
Just me
Stripes
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We were offerred the 2nd round pick 2 years ago.
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Could the reason that the deal hasn't been finalised be due to the fact that it isn't just a straight player swap and will involve swapping draft picks as well. I couldn't see why it would take so long to finalise a straight player swap considering it appears that both parties are happy with it.
I met Schulz a few times at the members cocktail parties over the years and all he could ever talk about was SA and his hometown. It always felt like he wasn't happy here.
I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Farmer is a back pocket, when most of the time he played as a half back flanker/midfielder in the SANFL. He also kicked a few goals as well (including 4 in one game).
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To be honest I am still in a state of shock that Port are going to take him.......Life is never that kind to Richmond supporters.
What a massive disappointment Schulz was this year.24 years of age.....7 years in the AFL system and could only contribute 4 games (3 goals).Blows the mind that he could not cement a spot in a "Richoless" forward line.
Compare him to Jack Riewoldt who was also dropped this year.Jack immediately looked a class above the VFL and demanded selection the following week.
Hard to believe he kicked 6 goals against the rampaging Lions as a 19 year old in just his 16th AFL game.If that seems like a long time ago -it was (Frawley was still coach).Since then his best efforts have been 3 bags of 3 goals.
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rhe real; question that has to be asked is why was he given a two yr contract by cameron. make no mistake if port did not take him he was for the sceap heap next yr we just got rid of a contracted list clogger who has had 7 yrs to show something anything. 7 yrs of what exactly did we get from this bloke one word mediocrity we should be jumping for joy even if the trade was for donald duck.
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I think Port are waiting for the Burgoyne trade to go through to see what picks they end up with. That is far more important to them than a minor fringe trade such as Schulz for Farmer. Our best bet is the Hawks trade Williams to Essendon for a first round pick and then offload two picks to Port. Port may be more likely to throw in a swap of midrange picks with us if they have a bunch of early picks. I'd prefer if we could gain a late-ish pick or move up the draft with a swap of midrange picks but with Sarge we can hardly be choosey and it's lucky for us Port still want him two years later.
rhe real; question that has to be asked is why was he given a two yr contract by cameron.
As well as King for 2 years :P.
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Port is WAITING to announce the trade of luckless half-back Mitch Farmer for Richmond key forward Jay Schulz. "It is looking favourable," Rohde said of the pending deal with the Tigers.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26181006-12428,00.html
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I think the stumbling block is Shultz, I'm not to sure he wants to go to port. Might be hanging for the Gold Coast. Just a thought.
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I think the stumbling block is Shultz, I'm not to sure he wants to go to port. Might be hanging for the Gold Coast. Just a thought.
I thought he'd want to go back home?
If not, give em Cleve or McLovin.
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Give 'em the lot - buy one, get 2 free!
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Richmond has traded tall utility Jay Schulz to Port Adelaide in exchange for small rebounding defender Mitch Farmer.
The details of the trade will be finalised on Friday, the last day of the 2009 AFL Exchange Period. Schulz, originally from SA club Woodville/West Torrens, played 71 games and kicked 58 goals for the Tigers in seven seasons of AFL football after being selected by the Club at pick No. 12 overall in the 2002 National Draft.
The 24-year-old managed just four senior games in the ’09 season.
Farmer was taken by Port Adelaide at pick No. 49 overall in the 2007 National Draft.
The 20-year-old, originally from Craigieburn Football Club, captained the Calder Cannons in their 2007 TAC Cup grand final victory, represented Vic Metro in the AFL under-18 Championships the same year, and was named in the back pocket in the ’07 TAC Cup Team of the Year.
He made a promising debut late in the 2008 season for the Power, playing three games (Rounds 18-20), but did not manage a senior AFL appearance in ’09, spending the year in the SANFL, initially with Sturt, before transferring to South Adelaide, where he caught the eye of the Tiger talent scouts with a series of impressive performances.
The 2009 AFL media guide described the 180cm, 82kg Farmer as a “tough and feisty half-back in the Michael Wilson mould”. He also is renowned for his kicking skills, pace and football ‘smarts’.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/85861/default.aspx
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Deal all done tomorrow.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/85861/default.aspx
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Seems it's not just a direct swap of Farmer for Schulz. SEN saying there's more involved to it linked to the Burgoyne trade.
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Seems it's not just a direct swap of Farmer for Schulz. SEN saying there's more involved to it linked to the Burgoyne trade.
Maybe that's where Tucky fits in?
I am sure his (Tuck) wife is from Adelaide
Tucky to Port for pick 24 and then we on trade that to the bombers for their 2nd round pick (26 wasn't it)
Or have the bombers traded pick 26 already :P
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Seems it's not just a direct swap of Farmer for Schulz. SEN saying there's more involved to it linked to the Burgoyne trade.
Maybe that's where Tucky fits in?
I am sure his (Tuck) wife is from Adelaide
Tucky to Port for pick 24 and then we on trade that to the bombers for their 2nd round pick (26 wasn't it)
Or have the bombers traded pick 26 already :P
LOL I've lost track as well with so many trades this week. Yeah I think the Bombers still have pick 26. They apparently will also receive pick 24 from Port. Hawks have pick 25. We'd prefer pick 24 obviously. Is Tucky going back to Hawthorn to join his brother or to the Bombers to help out Watson inside at the stoppages?
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Who knows what part we've played as long we haven't give up pick 19, unless of course giving up pick 19 gives a a pick between 10 and 18 ;D
Cannot see Tuck S, joining Hawthorn though
But can see him at Port Adelaide
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If weve involved ourselves and gotten rid of tuck for a decent pick ie. under 35 then I think its been an outstanding success. Of course if we have given up 19 and got ourselves an much earlier pick then that to would be an outstanding result. I like the current speculation. Lets hope we are not disappointed tomorrow.
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Posters on BF are suggesting that we've thrown in a pick in the 40's and 50's
Which they are saying SEN is sprouting
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=642697&page=4
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Posters on BF are suggesting that we've thrown in a pick in the 40's and 50's
Which they are saying SEN is sprouting
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=642697&page=4
so what did we get for giving up the extra pick/s?
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Gain pick 40 + Farmer for pick 51 + Schulz according to SEN.
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How many trades does that give us inside 50?
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Club has to do whatever it can tonight to move Shane Tuck out. Has to be the no 1 priority IMHO.
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Club has to do whatever it can tonight to move Shane Tuck out. Has to be the no 1 priority IMHO.
Ramps - he has been the priority to move but there aren't any takers at the moment offering anything reasonable
Surely you wouldn't to get rid of him for say a pick in the late 40' to 50's
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How many trades does that give us inside 50?
5 draft picks inside 50
3, 19, 35, 40, 44.
If we can offload Tucky inside the top 30 it'll be done IMO.
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Gain pick 40 + Farmer for pick 51 + Schulz according to SEN.
The Club has done very well upgrading a pick as well as offloading Schulz.
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What source is there for confirmation of the pick exchange?
My reason for asking:
PORT Adelaide onballer Shaun Burgoyne will join Hawthorn next season as part of a four-club trade.
The deal also sees Hawk forward Mark Williams move to Essendon, and Bomber Jay Nash move to Port Adelaide.
The Power also receive two first-round draft picks: No.9 (from Hawthorn) and 16 (from Essendon, on-traded by Hawthorn to the Power).
Geelong, the fourth club involved the trade, has parted with pick 33 in exchange for three third-round picks. The Cats took draft selections 40 and 56 from Port Adelaide, and 56 to Essendon.
Relations between the Power and Hawthorn appeared strained on Wednesday after Hawks president Jeff Kennett stymied a potential deal involving defender Campbell Brown.
But on Thursday night, Power football operations manager Peter Rohde confirmed an agreement had been reached.
The complicated arrangement leaves Port Adelaide with three picks in the first round of November’s NAB AFL Draft.
Rohde said he was hopeful the paperwork would be lodged with the AFL on Thursday night.
“There are quite a number of other things tied into the deal but that (picks No.9 and 16 to Port Adelaide] is the basic scenario of it all,” Rohde told Adelaide radio station 5AA.
“We’re in the middle of a mediation, so I’m bound by confidentiality and can’t give any details until the paperwork is all finished.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85877/default.aspx (http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85877/default.aspx)
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Gain pick 40 + Farmer for pick 51 + Schulz according to SEN.
The Club has done very well upgrading a pick as well as offloading Schulz.
Now if we could just offload McMahon as well....
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I'm happy with this trade if the news about the pick upgrade is correct. Do we have to wait until tomorrow afternoon to have this confirmed?
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Geelong now has pick 40 so SEN must have got the pick upgrade to us wrong ::).
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Bugger! :scream
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SEN still saying it might not be just a straight swap and picks may be involved but they are confused and aren't sure. Well that helps Finey :wallywink.
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19 + Schulz for Farmer + 16?
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SEN apeears to have NO IDEA
and going by what is on the AFL site we aren't the 4th club
Geelong is ;D
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Geelong is ;D
Like I said in the completed trades thread if they've managed to been the 4th party in this and get 40, 42 and 56 for 33 it just shows why they are the best run team in the country right now.
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this thread title should be changed!
:)
Schulz Traded To Port Adelaide
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Jay Schulz's move to Port Adelaide is confirmed. Richmond receives Mitch Farmer and also pick 72. That's official
http://twitter.com/whitey927
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Jay Schulz's move to Port Adelaide is confirmed. Richmond receives Mitch Farmer and also pick 72. That's official
http://twitter.com/whitey927
Not terrific but a fair deal none the less. Hope Farmer can produce the form he showed in those clips consistently. Will be a very good player for us if he can.
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Taking pick 72 is a pee take. No point in it and just a complete waste of time.
Result- Fair trade but if Schulz fires at Port then we have lost out.
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Josh Free at Pick 72 Ramps?
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Taking pick 72 is a pee take. No point in it and just a complete waste of time.
Result- Fair trade but if Schulz fires at Port then we have lost out.
No, it's just a fair trade as if Farmer fires at Richmond then they have lost out.
The future is up to us.
Right now this is an entirely fair trade.
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We'll be using 72 so it's not a waste, plus it will end up being an earlier pick than that after rookies are elevated and clubs pass for the PSD.
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We'll be using 72 so it's not a waste, plus it will end up being an earlier pick than that after rookies are elevated and clubs pass for the PSD.
You should do some reaserch Inf and see what players have been picked up at 72 over the last 10 years, it would be interesting to see what is back there or what has been back there. :thumbsup
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Well Hird was 79, Chris Grant 105, not to mention all the players taken in the PSD and rookie draft
Regardless, Pick 72 as it stands now will still end up being earlier than 72
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Well Hird was 79, Chris Grant 105, not to mention all the players taken in the PSD and rookie draft
Regardless, Pick 72 as it stands now will still end up being earlier than 72
So it's really pot luck down there, imagine if we unearthed one of the above mentioned...... :pray
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We'll be using 72 so it's not a waste, plus it will end up being an earlier pick than that after rookies are elevated and clubs pass for the PSD.
You should do some reaserch Inf and see what players have been picked up at 72 over the last 10 years, it would be interesting to see what is back there or what has been back there. :thumbsup
Number of picks each year and players of some ability (not necessarily top level) from those picks. (R) means recycled (I may have missed some of these).
2008 - 9 picks - Leigh Brown (R), Jason Davenport.
2007 - 2 picks - Taylor Walker (NSW Scholarship).
2006 - 10 picks - Andrew Collins, Jesse White, Aaron Edwards (R), David Rodan (R).
2005 - Nil.
2004 - 3 picks - Daniel Pratt.
2003 - 6 picks - Andrew Raines, Shane Tuck.
2002- 3 picks - Brad Fisher.
2001 - 8 picks - Jared Poulton, David Johnson, (Brian Lake went at 71).
2000 - 6 picks - no one of note.
1999 - 17 picks - Ryan Houlihan, Matthew Burton, Ty Zantuck, Trent Hotton.
1998 - 13 picks - Ken McGregor, Ray Hall, Kris Barlow, Rupert Betheras, Shane Clayton, Shannon Motlop.
1997 - 12 picks - Beau McDonald, Guy Rigoni, Richie Vandenburg, Nathan Thompson.
1996 - 19 picks - Anthony Francina, Brad Scott, Josh Mahoney.
1995 - 5 picks - Clint Bizzell.
1994 - 20 picks - Troy Luff, Ben Dixon, Aaron Hammil, Doug Hawkins (R), Simon Arnett, Jade Rawlings.
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Quite a few PSD & rookie selections with a fair bit of talent also, they were all taken after Pick 72 also
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No idea about this Farmer kid but Schulz had to go.
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“It [joining Port Adelaide] was probably the best decision for both Richmond and myself,” Schulz said.
“This year was a rough one for everyone [at Richmond]. I wasn’t performing [and the club didn’t pick me], which was fair enough, but I still think I’ve got a lot to give.
“I don’t think I’ve achieved what my potential could allow me to achieve. Consistency has always been a thing for me. Hopefully, coming here, meeting the guys and having a set role will help me do that.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86092/default.aspx
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having a set role will help me do that.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86092/default.aspx
IMO that was part of his problem.
Ok i can hear you all typing response to me already and i did say PART of his problem, and he admited himself that he wasnt perfoming therefore didnt get a call up.
But even in his first few years he was thrown around the ground a lot to try and fill holes.
That would have certainly contributed to his lack of progress.
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having a set role will help me do that.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86092/default.aspx
IMO that was part of his problem.
Ok i can hear you all typing response to me already and i did say PART of his problem, and he admited himself that he wasnt perfoming therefore didnt get a call up.
But even in his first few years he was thrown around the ground a lot to try and fill holes.
That would have certainly contributed to his lack of progress.
I agree Jocosh, infact it has been the problem for many of our players including Lids, Bling, Edwards, Polo, etc. It is very hard to gain confidence in yourself and your ability if you are continuously learning a new role/position/task. The whole team needs time to settle into a fixed position particularly our structural players.
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David Neitz, Wayne Carey, Alastair Lynch are just three names who played some early football in the backline and in the forward line and it did not help their consitency.
71 games out of 154 with very few injury worries in 7 years is less than half games played in a side that has screamed for a KPP that has failed to make finals in any of his years at the club. Man has struggled. Enough of the excuses.
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“It [joining Port Adelaide] was probably the best decision for both Richmond and myself,” Schulz said.
“This year was a rough one for everyone [at Richmond]. I wasn’t performing [and the club didn’t pick me], which was fair enough, but I still think I’ve got a lot to give.
“I don’t think I’ve achieved what my potential could allow me to achieve. Consistency has always been a thing for me. Hopefully, coming here, meeting the guys and having a set role will help me do that.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86092/default.aspx
Loved the part where he says he really looks forward to learning off Tredrea..“I want to learn as much as I can from him [Tredrea]. He’s obviously been an excellent forward over the years,”
Well Schulz me old boy you spent how many years at Richmond with Richo and you learn't stuff all, good luck with Tredrea because Richo was and is 10x the forward he is and about 100000000000x the forward you will ever be. :thumbsup
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“It [joining Port Adelaide] was probably the best decision for both Richmond and myself,” Schulz said.
“This year was a rough one for everyone [at Richmond]. I wasn’t performing [and the club didn’t pick me], which was fair enough, but I still think I’ve got a lot to give.
“I don’t think I’ve achieved what my potential could allow me to achieve. Consistency has always been a thing for me. Hopefully, coming here, meeting the guys and having a set role will help me do that.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86092/default.aspx
Loved the part where he says he really looks forward to learning off Tredrea..“I want to learn as much as I can from him [Tredrea]. He’s obviously been an excellent forward over the years,”
Well Schulz me old boy you spent how many years at Richmond with Richo and you learn't stuff all, good luck with Tredrea because Richo was and is 10x the forward he is and about 100000000000x the forward you will ever be. :thumbsup
That is one of Richo's bad points. It is "HIS" forward line (Like the old T shirt) he doesnt play well with others. There has been more than one occasion from memory when Sarge was young and was leading for a mark that Richo has either taken him out or come across the front of him to take the mark.
While i agree he will never be as good as Richo i think he will learn from Tredrea.
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“It [joining Port Adelaide] was probably the best decision for both Richmond and myself,” Schulz said.
“This year was a rough one for everyone [at Richmond]. I wasn’t performing [and the club didn’t pick me], which was fair enough, but I still think I’ve got a lot to give.
“I don’t think I’ve achieved what my potential could allow me to achieve. Consistency has always been a thing for me. Hopefully, coming here, meeting the guys and having a set role will help me do that.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86092/default.aspx
Loved the part where he says he really looks forward to learning off Tredrea..“I want to learn as much as I can from him [Tredrea]. He’s obviously been an excellent forward over the years,”
Well Schulz me old boy you spent how many years at Richmond with Richo and you learn't stuff all, good luck with Tredrea because Richo was and is 10x the forward he is and about 100000000000x the forward you will ever be. :thumbsup
That is one of Richo's bad points. It is "HIS" forward line (Like the old T shirt) he doesnt play well with others. There has been more than one occasion from memory when Sarge was young and was leading for a mark that Richo has either taken him out or come across the front of him to take the mark.
While i agree he will never be as good as Richo i think he will learn from Tredrea.
Meh.
Richo missed 3/4 of the season and Schultz could still not hold down a key forward position.
Should have peeed off back to South Australia 2 years ago
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2005 till Brown broke his leg in round 10 Richo and Brown were tearing it apart.
Schulz thanks and see ya later. Should have been goodbye two years ago with pick 28 for us. Thanks Terry.
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“It [joining Port Adelaide] was probably the best decision for both Richmond and myself,” Schulz said.
“This year was a rough one for everyone [at Richmond]. I wasn’t performing [and the club didn’t pick me], which was fair enough, but I still think I’ve got a lot to give.
“I don’t think I’ve achieved what my potential could allow me to achieve. Consistency has always been a thing for me. Hopefully, coming here, meeting the guys and having a set role will help me do that.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86092/default.aspx
Loved the part where he says he really looks forward to learning off Tredrea..“I want to learn as much as I can from him [Tredrea]. He’s obviously been an excellent forward over the years,”
Well Schulz me old boy you spent how many years at Richmond with Richo and you learn't stuff all, good luck with Tredrea because Richo was and is 10x the forward he is and about 100000000000x the forward you will ever be. :thumbsup
That is one of Richo's bad points. It is "HIS" forward line (Like the old T shirt) he doesnt play well with others. There has been more than one occasion from memory when Sarge was young and was leading for a mark that Richo has either taken him out or come across the front of him to take the mark.
While i agree he will never be as good as Richo i think he will learn from Tredrea.
Meh.
Richo missed 3/4 of the season and Schultz could still not hold down a key forward position.
Should have peeed off back to South Australia 2 years ago
My post wasnt about Schulz being able to learn from Rhico. It was about Richo being able to teach people, as stated it is his forward line and he doesnt like sharing it with anyone.
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i seem to recall him going alright with otto and earlier on benny gale...Id urge you to direct the spotlight elsewhere my friend
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Schulz will be in Port's forward line next Saturday against the Crows
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89284/default.aspx
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2005 till Brown broke his leg in round 10 Richo and Brown were tearing it apart.
Schulz thanks and see ya later. Should have been goodbye two years ago with pick 28 for us. Thanks Terry.
no that was thanks greg. the deal was as good as done but manic miller got greedy.
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2005 till Brown broke his leg in round 10 Richo and Brown were tearing it apart.
Schulz thanks and see ya later. Should have been goodbye two years ago with pick 28 for us. Thanks Terry.
no that was thanks greg. the deal was as good as done but manic miller got greedy.
Yep the decisions in that whole 2007 draft were based on us misjudging who would be around at pick 18 and 19 and thinking the draft was thin after the first round. If we knew beforehand that Rance and Scott Selwood amongst others would be around at pick 18 and 19 I'm sure we would've done things completely different. No trading pick 19 for Jordie :scream and no demanding a swap of Port's first pick (16 from memory) with our second pick to send Schulz to the Power :P. Oh well nothing we can do about it now.
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The more we look back at the decisions made in that period the more I shake my head and realize TW and Miller screwed our future. I realize Miller was under resourced and TW was making judgments based on where he felt the game was heading but continued to trade away picks and make ill-informed decisions which has and will cost us.
Jackstar - I should have listened! :banghead
Stripes
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And to think Schulz still had a year left on his contract when we traded him! :o
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The more we look back at the decisions made in that period the more I shake my head and realize TW and Miller screwed our future. I realize Miller was under resourced and TW was making judgments based on where he felt the game was heading but continued to trade away picks and make ill-informed decisions which has and will cost us.
Jackstar - I should have listened! :banghead
Stripes
Mate , trying to explain strategies to Jay was like talking to a brick wall., he had no idea. man was a dill.
He also cost as the sponsorship deal as well.
No many people would know this but nearly coast us another sponsorship deal. Motorola had give the players a free mobile in which they had to use, he gave his way and continued to use his Nokia, Motorola were filthy at the tme
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Cant be that big of a dill, Giving away a Motorola and keeping a Nokia is a smart move. ;D I'd have done the same.
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Schulz always did shine at training so no wonder Port are getting excited.... but Port please hold that excitement until he is on the field...lol, because that is where he will let you down.
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The more we look back at the decisions made in that period the more I shake my head and realize TW and Miller screwed our future. I realize Miller was under resourced and TW was making judgments based on where he felt the game was heading but continued to trade away picks and make ill-informed decisions which has and will cost us.
Jackstar - I should have listened! :banghead
Stripes
Mate , trying to explain strategies to Jay was like talking to a brick wall., he had no idea. man was a dill.
He also cost as the sponsorship deal as well.
No many people would know this but nearly coast us another sponsorship deal. Motorola had give the players a free mobile in which they had to use, he gave his way and continued to use his Nokia, Motorola were filthy at the tme
We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
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The more we look back at the decisions made in that period the more I shake my head and realize TW and Miller screwed our future. I realize Miller was under resourced and TW was making judgments based on where he felt the game was heading but continued to trade away picks and make ill-informed decisions which has and will cost us.
Jackstar - I should have listened! :banghead
Stripes
Mate , trying to explain strategies to Jay was like talking to a brick wall., he had no idea. man was a dill.
He also cost as the sponsorship deal as well.
No many people would know this but nearly coast us another sponsorship deal. Motorola had give the players a free mobile in which they had to use, he gave his way and continued to use his Nokia, Motorola were filthy at the tme
We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven what a complete and utter goose you really are.
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The more we look back at the decisions made in that period the more I shake my head and realize TW and Miller screwed our future. I realize Miller was under resourced and TW was making judgments based on where he felt the game was heading but continued to trade away picks and make ill-informed decisions which has and will cost us.
Jackstar - I should have listened! :banghead
Stripes
Mate , trying to explain strategies to Jay was like talking to a brick wall., he had no idea. man was a dill.
He also cost as the sponsorship deal as well.
No many people would know this but nearly coast us another sponsorship deal. Motorola had give the players a free mobile in which they had to use, he gave his way and continued to use his Nokia, Motorola were filthy at the tme
We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
Your last sentence makes no sense, you hitting the booze too hard again? :cheers
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We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
You might have misread Infamy's post Jack. He was referring to the money we 'made' from losing the TAC sponsorship. AFG's deal was worth a significant amount more to the club, so even if we are paying some of his 2010 salary (which I hadn't heard or read by the way) we will still be a long long way in front. How much of it are we paying?
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We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
You might have misread Infamy's post Jack. He was referring to the money we 'made' from losing the TAC sponsorship. AFG's deal was worth a significant amount more to the club, so even if we are paying some of his 2010 salary (which I hadn't heard or read by the way) we will still be a long long way in front. How much of it are we paying?
He didn't misread it, he just lashes out at me to avoid admitting that I'm right
That or he's just an idiot
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We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
You might have misread Infamy's post Jack. He was referring to the money we 'made' from losing the TAC sponsorship. AFG's deal was worth a significant amount more to the club, so even if we are paying some of his 2010 salary (which I hadn't heard or read by the way) we will still be a long long way in front. How much of it are we paying?
He didn't misread it, he just lashes out at me to avoid admitting that I'm right
That or he's just an idiot
My last sentence should of read .***** You have proven WHAT a complete and utter goose you really are, and you are actually.
For us to be paying a large percentage of a complete duds salary is extremely BAD MANAGEMENT, considering he has played the majority of his games at Coburg over the past 2 years. ::)
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We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
You might have misread Infamy's post Jack. He was referring to the money we 'made' from losing the TAC sponsorship. AFG's deal was worth a significant amount more to the club, so even if we are paying some of his 2010 salary (which I hadn't heard or read by the way) we will still be a long long way in front. How much of it are we paying?
Paying an extremely large percentage :shh ::)
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We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
You might have misread Infamy's post Jack. He was referring to the money we 'made' from losing the TAC sponsorship. AFG's deal was worth a significant amount more to the club, so even if we are paying some of his 2010 salary (which I hadn't heard or read by the way) we will still be a long long way in front. How much of it are we paying?
Paying an extremely large percentage :shh ::)
Stop changing the subject you twit. You are the one who mentioned that he cost us money losing us the TAC sponsorship when he actually made us money for doing that. End of story, nothing to do with his contract at Port.
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How much of it are we paying?
Paying an extremely large percentage :shh ::)
My guess is that he would have been on around the $250k mark? That would mean that even if we are paying somewhere near 100% then it is still not even close to the increase in sponsorship we got per year, every year, by upsizing to AFG. Thank you Jay Schulz.
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We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
You might have misread Infamy's post Jack. He was referring to the money we 'made' from losing the TAC sponsorship. AFG's deal was worth a significant amount more to the club, so even if we are paying some of his 2010 salary (which I hadn't heard or read by the way) we will still be a long long way in front. How much of it are we paying?
Paying an extremely large percentage :shh ::)
Stop changing the subject you twit. You are the one who mentioned that he cost us money losing us the TAC sponsorship when he actually made us money for doing that. End of story, nothing to do with his contract at Port.
Its amazing the positive spin the club puts on things to calm you Ferrals ::)
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We ended up making money on losing the TAC sponsorship. He did us a favour!
You would have to be the most idiotic poster on here,
We are paying a large percentage of his salary in 2010, how on earth can he be doing us a favor, Hey hold on, its not 1st of April is it, :lol
You have proven would a complete and utter goose you really are.
You might have misread Infamy's post Jack. He was referring to the money we 'made' from losing the TAC sponsorship. AFG's deal was worth a significant amount more to the club, so even if we are paying some of his 2010 salary (which I hadn't heard or read by the way) we will still be a long long way in front. How much of it are we paying?
Paying an extremely large percentage :shh ::)
Stop changing the subject you twit. You are the one who mentioned that he cost us money losing us the TAC sponsorship when he actually made us money for doing that. End of story, nothing to do with his contract at Port.
Its amazing the positive spin the club puts on things to calm you Ferrals ::)
That wasn't spin, it was fact. We knew what the TAC sponsorship was worth when it was cancelled and the announcement of the AFG sponsorship also mentioned the value of the deal. Simple maths works out the answer here, not spin.
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Won't be at all surprised to see Schulz do well if Chocco persists with him up forward.
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Won't be at all surprised to see Schulz do well if Chocco persists with him up forward.
agree
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Won't be at all surprised to see Schulz do well if Chocco persists with him up forward.
agree!
:)
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Won't be at all surprised to see Schulz do well if Chocco persists with him up forward.
I would be surprised if he didn't! I think he just needed a change of environment and some confidence. For years he always played second fiddle with a power forward who didn't know how to work with other forwards or pull out of a contest when Schulz was in a better position.
I believe he will be another 'Rodan' this year...
Stripes
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Comedy hour?
The man is dud.
I'm just glad we got something for him.
Enjoy Chocco. :rollin
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Comedy hour?
The man is dud.
I'm just glad we got something for him.
Enjoy Chocco. :rollin
We'll see TA. I think he may surprise but then again I thought Myer may too but hey no one is perfect now are they :whistle
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Comedy hour?
The man is dud.
I'm just glad we got something for him.
Enjoy Chocco. :rollin
We'll see TA. I think he may surprise but then again I thought Myer may too but hey no one is perfect now are they :whistle
True that, but we've seen Schulz for years and given him a million chances and he could never deliver anything near consistancy at the top level.
He'll sparkle in the SANFL but then let Port down just as he did us.
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Comedy hour?
The man is dud.
I'm just glad we got something for him.
Enjoy Chocco. :rollin
CORRECT ! :clapping :clapping :clapping :thumbsup
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Sarge has taken 10 marks, had 13 possies and kicked 1.2. I'm sure some in the media will claim another Port gain from Richmond based on one NAB Cup game ::).
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Sarge has taken 10 marks, had 13 possies and kicked 1.2. I'm sure some in the media will claim another Port gain from Richmond based on one NAB Cup game ::).
Mate ,I watched the entire game.
He is lasy, didnt want to chase, etc etc
He is a dud.
If he was any good, should of kicked 8 with the opportunites Port has up forward ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Sarge has taken 10 marks, had 13 possies and kicked 1.2. I'm sure some in the media will claim another Port gain from Richmond based on one NAB Cup game ::).
Mate ,I watched the entire game.
He is lasy, didnt want to chase, etc etc
He is a dud.
If he was any good, should of kicked 8 with the opportunites Port has up forward ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Did you see his 2nd effort in 4th when he went back with the flight and then got up and chased some Crows player? It helped force a turnover. I thought he was alright. Definitely presented for Port.
If he should have kicked 8, then why did no one on their team kick more than 3?
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Sarge has taken 10 marks, had 13 possies and kicked 1.2. I'm sure some in the media will claim another Port gain from Richmond based on one NAB Cup game ::).
Mate ,I watched the entire game.
He is lasy, didnt want to chase, etc etc
He is a dud.
If he was any good, should of kicked 8 with the opportunites Port has up forward ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Did you see his 2nd effort in 4th when he went back with the flight and then got up and chased some Crows player? It helped force a turnover. I thought he was alright. Definitely presented for Port.
If he should have kicked 8, then why did no one on their team kick more than 3?
Well he should of if he had any abilty ,instead of standing around like a stale bottle of pee ::)
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Schulzy has always been a February champion.
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Schultz was given way to many oppurtunities he was never going to do well in yellow and black. He may or may not perform for the Power.
Farmer goes well and is odds on to do better things than Schultz will.
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The guy is a dud!!!!!!! End of story.
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Schulz is another one who has gone to a psychologist.......
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PORT ADELAIDE forward Jay Schulz believes weekly visits to a psychologist will help him overcome the mental barriers that prevented him from having an impact at Richmond.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/100120/default.aspx
"That's what I really wanted to pride myself on when I first got here," Schulz said of his defensive efforts and one-percenters.
"I worked hard to make sure my fitness was up on what it was last year, so that I'd be able to do those hard things, like the chases, the tackles and the second efforts. I just wanted to play as a bigger-bodied player, who could bring the ball to ground and make a contest for the other boys.
The decision for Schulz to leave Richmond was a mutual one and the trade could prove to be win-win for both clubs, with young defender Mitch Farmer - a direct swap for Schulz - also finding his feet in the AFL.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6038/newsid/100105/default.aspx
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Schulz is another one who has gone to a psychologist.......
What on earth did Terry Wallace do to our guys!!
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Schulz is another one who has gone to a psychologist.......
What on earth did Terry Wallace do to our guys!!
It wasn't Wallace, it was a whole of club effort after his traffic offense "cost" the club a TAC sponsorship.
From the Football Director, who said that he kept Jay on the list because his parents had "begged" Miller to keep him on the list, down to the ordinary members who continually reminded Jay how much he had and was costing the club.
That sort of abuse would require a psychologist for any athlete. Just a pity the poor kid only got that help at Port.
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Schulz is another one who has gone to a psychologist.......
What on earth did Terry Wallace do to our guys!!
It wasn't Wallace, it was a whole of club effort after his traffic offense "cost" the club a TAC sponsorship.
From the Football Director, who said that he kept Jay on the list because his parents had "begged" Miller to keep him on the list, down to the ordinary members who continually reminded Jay how much he had and was costing the club.
That sort of abuse would require a psychologist for any athlete. Just a pity the poor kid only got that help at Port.
Given our lack of tall forwards to support Jack, I'd prefer to still have Schulz than Farmer but understand why he was moved/moved on.
Nason has made that trade a little more palatable.
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Schulz is another one who has gone to a psychologist.......
What on earth did Terry Wallace do to our guys!!
It wasn't Wallace, it was a whole of club effort after his traffic offense "cost" the club a TAC sponsorship.
From the Football Director, who said that he kept Jay on the list because his parents had "begged" Miller to keep him on the list, down to the ordinary members who continually reminded Jay how much he had and was costing the club.
That sort of abuse would require a psychologist for any athlete. Just a pity the poor kid only got that help at Port.
Given our lack of tall forwards to support Jack, I'd prefer to still have Schulz than Farmer but understand why he was moved/moved on.
Nason has made that trade a little more palatable.
Jay never worked hard enough when playing. Drop his output by 50% if he had stayed at Tigerland, he needed the trade as a kick up the bunghole.
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..... down to the ordinary members who continually reminded Jay how much he had and was costing the club.
If any members were doing that to Jay then they were definitely ordinary members. Very ordinary.
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Sarge has been promoted to Port's leadership group :gobdrop
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He's done alright for himself
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good on jay
always concsidered him a blue chip prospect, well on the way to making it as an afl footballer.
He and Rodan and a heap of others are testament to the fact that Wallace unfortunately really had no idea
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He's done alright for himself
He was a wacko for us and still is for them, we should have drafted Jeremy Howe last year with the spot Sarge freed up, Howe is a gun :bow
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He's done alright for himself
He was a wacko for us and still is for them, we should have drafted Jeremy Howe last year with the spot Sarge freed up, Howe is a gun :bow
Jem happens to be from my local club (Dodges). He makes Sarge's run at Richmond look consistent....schulzy is a lot better than Jem has ever been
Howey is a super talent though and good luck to him. He had the chance to train with Coburg last year but didnt want to...his season at Hobart was fairly good but he went missing at times. He's got a poo load of work to do if he wants to be a regular at AFL level. I am surprised he went at pick 33 :-\
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He's done alright for himself
Sure has. Meanwhile we're missing support for Riewoldt.
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He's done alright for himself
Sure has. Meanwhile we're missing support for Riewoldt.
Don't worry, we're drafting Miller :lol
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He's done alright for himself
Sure has. Meanwhile we're missing support for Riewoldt.
Yeah, Riewoldt has taken a big step backwards this season without his mate Schulz there to back him up!
I'm not sure where Riewoldt can go from here? He will really need to get over it and step up this season or he is gone.........
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Pickering and Wallace having a laugh about trading Schulz to Port for pick 28 and Greg Miller effing it up at the last minute by demanding Port also swap first round picks :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Liam Pickering was just on Trade Week Radio and he spoke about the failed Schulz trade. Pickering claimed Plough was happy with pick 28 but Greg Miller at the last minute also wanted an exchange of first round picks so the deal fell over leaving Pickering furious and he offered a few choice words towards Miller.
Edit: beat me too it gerks.
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Miller ;D
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Wish he'd taken pick 28. He's certainly worth more than what we ended up giving him away for.
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Sarge and Jackson Trengove have had a punch-on at Port training :wallywink
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/punch-up-at-port-training/story-e6frf9jf-1226216081596
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Sarge and Jackson Trengove have had a punch-on at Port training :wallywink
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/punch-up-at-port-training/story-e6frf9jf-1226216081596
Schulz is one bad egg......Glad we turfed him from the nest :wallywink
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we didn't you freak.
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we didn't you freak.
Yes we did, cut him dry and sent him to hell...........
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Sarge and Jackson Trengove have had a punch-on at Port training :wallywink
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/punch-up-at-port-training/story-e6frf9jf-1226216081596
Schulz is one bad egg......Glad we turfed him from the nest :wallywink
Glad we didn't draft Trengove. Wasn't Schulz who threw the punches. :wallywink
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we didn't you freak.
Yes we did, cut him dry and sent him to hell...........
seriously you're a dippoo. get a clue
trengove is a nutter
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Glad we didn't draft Trengove. Wasn't Schulz who threw the punches. :wallywink
There was more talent in both those punches from Trengove than Schulz ever showed.
Will be the washed up hacks last season........watch this space ;)
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Sarge and Jackson Trengove have had a punch-on at Port training :wallywink
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/punch-up-at-port-training/story-e6frf9jf-1226216081596
Schulz is one bad egg......Glad we turfed him from the nest :wallywink
Agreed. And hes soft too. Could have at least landed a couple.
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we didn't you freak.
You have no idea guy
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sarge could have been anything had he learnt to kick, must have spent too much time studying richo...he was a woeful kick, makes butcher look like a rolls royce :lol
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sarge could have been anything had he learnt to kick, must have spent too much time studying richo...he was a woeful kick, makes butcher look like a rolls royce :lol
how can you be anything if you can't kick? Schulz is a very good kick :huh consistency and fitness was his problem here.
we didn't you freak.
You have no idea guy
don't try to pull off Ronnie. LMAO @ Schulz being soft :lol
Never PMing you freaks again. eff off
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sarge could have been anything had he learnt to kick, must have spent too much time studying richo...he was a woeful kick, makes butcher look like a rolls royce :lol
how can you be anything if you can't kick? Schulz is a very good kick :huh consistency and fitness was his problem here.
we didn't you freak.
You have no idea guy
don't try to pull off Ronnie. LMAO @ Schulz being soft :lol
Never PMing you freaks again. eff off
Reported.
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sarge could have been anything had he learnt to kick, must have spent too much time studying richo...he was a woeful kick, makes butcher look like a rolls royce :lol
how can you be anything if you can't kick? Schulz is a very good kick :huh consistency and fitness was his problem here.
we didn't you freak.
You have no idea guy
don't try to pull off Ronnie. LMAO @ Schulz being soft :lol
Never PMing you freaks again. eff off
he was an excellant mark and lead...shothouse kick...err, ummm, stuff me if this sounds kinda crazy but for a FF, kicking is pretty important :shh
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He was a prodigious kick as a junior. Gun-barrel straight and kicked them a mile.
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sarge could have been anything had he learnt to kick, must have spent too much time studying richo...he was a woeful kick, makes butcher look like a rolls royce :lol
how can you be anything if you can't kick? Schulz is a very good kick :huh consistency and fitness was his problem here.
we didn't you freak.
You have no idea guy
don't try to pull off Ronnie. LMAO @ Schulz being soft :lol
Never PMing you freaks again. eff off
he was an excellant mark and lead...shothouse kick...err, ummm, stuff me if this sounds kinda crazy but for a FF, kicking is pretty important :shh
his kicking for goal was brilliant until one day against Wet Toast in 2007. been close to the best kick for goal in the league since going to Port
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sarge could have been anything had he learnt to kick, must have spent too much time studying richo...he was a woeful kick, makes butcher look like a rolls royce :lol
how can you be anything if you can't kick? Schulz is a very good kick :huh consistency and fitness was his problem here.
we didn't you freak.
You have no idea guy
don't try to pull off Ronnie. LMAO @ Schulz being soft :lol
Never PMing you freaks again. eff off
he was an excellant mark and lead...shothouse kick...err, ummm, stuff me if this sounds kinda crazy but for a FF, kicking is pretty important :shh
his kicking for goal was brilliant until one day against Wet Toast in 2007. been close to the best kick for goal in the league since going to Port
Hogwash.
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stats don't lie, fatty.
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stats don't lie, fatty.
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It's glandular you toss bag.
Reported. >:(
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In my opinion Schulz has single handedly set back the entire standard of AFL back by a decade.
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are blokes actually capable of posting seriously? go to the darwin thread if you want to mess around.
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To whom do you refer there, flapjack?
I am deadly serious.
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In my opinion Schulz has single handedly set back the entire standard of AFL back by a decade.
Good call, and a measured one.
I think it would be fair to say that there is consensus on this considered viewpoint.
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He was a prodigious kick as a junior. Gun-barrel straight and kicked them a mile.
little suprise then after being put through the TW development academy :lol
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are blokes actually capable of posting seriously? go to the darwin thread if you want to mess around.
That is an excellent idea
That's why it's there ....... practically ....untouched (aka unedited) ;) :thumbsup
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are blokes actually capable of posting seriously? go to the darwin thread if you want to mess around.
That is an excellent idea
That's why it's there ....... practically ....untouched (aka unedited) ;) :thumbsup
Told you I should be a mod. :thumbsup
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*mong
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Told you I should be a mod. :thumbsup
You can be a "mod" on the Darwin thread ONLY - how's that ;D :santa :birthday
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awww yes please :cheers :thumbsup :shh :rollin :birthday
Davey is here boys :police:
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a mod?
i'm so proud of you bubby.
:congrats
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thanks dad :)
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Can I be a mod on WP's Pm thread?
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Davey, The Chocolate Mod
*mong
I think Schulz will win the Magarey Medal this season
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Told you I should be a mod. :thumbsup
You can be a "mod" on the Darwin thread ONLY - how's that ;D :santa :birthday
Good god man. :o
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Schulz is a crap kick?
Has some other issues but he's an excellent kick of the ball. Always has been. :huh
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Schulz is a crap kick?
Has some other issues but he's an excellent kick of the ball. Always has been. :huh
excellent kick my eye, what's with the waving the ball around on his run up like a kid in a pram does with a balloon. He's a shocking kick and his results said as much :shh
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JS last 30 games = 64 goals, 25 points. Career goals 122, 65 points. mmmmm shocking kick
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His kicking was pretty good that night up in Brissie when kicked ...what was it 6 or 7 goals ;D
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you were a big fan once, WP. ;) ;D
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JS last 30 games = 64 goals, 25 points. Career goals 122, 65 points. mmmmm shocking kick
And about 97 on the fulls.
Shocker of a player.
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ok.
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Won the Barassi Medal as a child prodigy.
Believe he was the player Hardwick wanted to keep when he came to the club but Sugar Top Cameron had already stamped his papers.
Now we have Miller.
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excellent kick my eye, what's with the waving the ball around on his run up like a kid in a pram does with a balloon. He's a shocking kick and his results said as much :shh
JS last 30 games = 64 goals, 25 points. Career goals 122, 65 points. mmmmm shocking kick
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I liked Jay.
Would have been a legend if he played in the 70s
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Would have been a legend if he played in the 70s
Might be right there Ox
I always though if him as "an old fashioned footballer" ;D
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Do you have a poo eating grin on your face at all times, WP? ;D
Tough as old boots is Schulzy
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Do you have a poo eating grin on your face at all times, WP? ;D
No
I get told I do this :banghead :banghead far too often
;D :santa :angel:
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Us mods need to stick together.
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:ROTFL
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Couldn't handle his pee.
End of story.
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Neither can you madge milko
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Neither can you madge milko
You dance with the devil and you better wait until the music stops.
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How could Jay be in there leadership group is beyond belief.
::)
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Sarge is a fill in until Butcher is reading to take their No.1 forward role. At Richmond he'd just go missing after quarter time and his goalkicking fell away badly by the end. He still sprays them at Port as well.
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no he doesn't :huh he's on a 3 year deal anyway and has been good for them. Will play along side butcher for a long time to come. think you will find westhoff will be forced out of the side unless he can grow some balls and pinch hit in the ruck
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Schulz .ordinary bloke
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Something spooky is going on in here, posts disappearing without a trace.
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Something spooky is going on in here, posts disappearing without a trace.
Snipped! :police: ;D
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Something spooky is going on in here, posts disappearing without a trace.
And last night....I found.....my guitar....on the fire. ;D
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Nason & Farmer.
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Schulz .ordinary bloke
you've never liked him for some reason, Jack? is it personal? ;D all i have heard about him as a bloke is that he's a good guy.
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Something spooky is going on in here, posts disappearing without a trace.
And last night....I found.....my guitar....on the fire. ;D
Was it gassy?
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Schulz .ordinary bloke
you've never liked him for some reason, Jack? is it personal? ;D all i have heard about him as a bloke is that he's a good guy.
I sat next to the bloke yrs ago in a poker tournament at the riversdale pub, only time i met him but came across as a good fella
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Something spooky is going on in here, posts disappearing without a trace.
And last night....I found.....my guitar....on the fire. ;D
Was it gassy?
And that made you Horney??
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Good guy but a dumbarse
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Nut butter than jay streaming out of the goal square!
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Good thread this one. Jay Port career - 42 games, 96 goals.
I miss Ben Nason.
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Hope he is okay after ending up in hospital with internal bleeding.
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Luckily they didn't have to open him up. I wish him a smooth recovery.
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It was a typical Jay Schulz marking attempt, trying to kill himself and his teammate.
Maybe Richo wasn't getting in his way...
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was the right thing to do at the time. he was totally inconsistent with us and he was going nowhere. we had given him 7 yrs for a lot of grief and not a big return. he needed out we needed to trade him.
always had some talent but we had to make a call.
i have to laugh though schulzy wanted out the yr before. port offered up pick 28 for him and we basically stuffed it up by asking for more. mckernan, beams, hanneberry, roughhead jones gillies, smith clarke and a few others all went from pick 28 thru about 38. ah cameron and miller.
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was the right thing to do at the time. he was totally inconsistent with us and he was going nowhere. we had given him 7 yrs for a lot of grief and not a big return. he needed out we needed to trade him.
always had some talent but we had to make a call.
i have to laugh though schulzy wanted out the yr before. port offered up pick 28 for him and we basically stuffed it up by asking for more. mckernan, beams, hanneberry, roughhead jones gillies, smith clarke and a few others all went from pick 28 thru about 38. ah cameron and miller.
Dont Panic, we'll get McKernan at the end of the year for SFA......
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was the right thing to do at the time. he was totally inconsistent with us and he was going nowhere. we had given him 7 yrs for a lot of grief and not a big return. he needed out we needed to trade him.
always had some talent but we had to make a call.
i have to laugh though schulzy wanted out the yr before. port offered up pick 28 for him and we basically stuffed it up by asking for more. mckernan, beams, hanneberry, roughhead jones gillies, smith clarke and a few others all went from pick 28 thru about 38. ah cameron and miller.
that deal fell through because of Greg Miller, FACT
and it wasn't the year before it was two years before
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Miller wanted a swap of first round picks as well as Port's pick 28. Port said no and the deal fell through.
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Miller wanted a swap of first round picks as well as Port's pick 28. Port said no and the deal fell through.
Yep. That was at the 11th hour though, after the deal for just pick 28 had pretty much been signed off, Miller went back for one more screw of the pooch.
Poochy didn't roll over.
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It was a typical Jay Schulz marking attempt, trying to kill himself and his teammate.
Maybe Richo wasn't getting in his way...
Are you for real? It looked bloody brave to me.
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i have to laugh though schulzy wanted out the yr before. port offered up pick 28 for him and we basically stuffed it up by asking for more.
Yep big mistake. 2nd big mistake was selling him off for a song.
Mitch Farmer? Port are laughing.
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Miller wanted a swap of first round picks as well as Port's pick 28. Port said no and the deal fell through.
Yep. That was at the 11th hour though, after the deal for just pick 28 had pretty much been signed off, Miller went back for one more screw of the pooch.
Poochy didn't roll over.
:lol Yeah, but let's not allow that to stand in the way of some getting another chance to sink the boots into Cameron. :lol
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Lazy jay was never going to perform at RFC... FACT
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Miller wanted a swap of first round picks as well as Port's pick 28. Port said no and the deal fell through.
Yep. That was at the 11th hour though, after the deal for just pick 28 had pretty much been signed off, Miller went back for one more screw of the pooch.
Poochy didn't roll over.
:lol Yeah, but let's not allow that to stand in the way of some getting another chance to sink the boots into Cameron. :lol
Plenty of opportunities to sink the boot into Helmut without making up poo ;D
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Lazy jay was never going to perform at RFC... FACT
Fact? Lolz.
How do you know that under Hardwick?
Better option than fatty Farmer and skinny Nason surely. That's a fact.
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was the right thing to do at the time. he was totally inconsistent with us and he was going nowhere. we had given him 7 yrs for a lot of grief and not a big return. he needed out we needed to trade him.
always had some talent but we had to make a call.
i have to laugh though schulzy wanted out the yr before. port offered up pick 28 for him and we basically stuffed it up by asking for more. mckernan, beams, hanneberry, roughhead jones gillies, smith clarke and a few others all went from pick 28 thru about 38. ah cameron and miller.
that deal fell through because of Greg Miller, FACT
and it wasn't the year before it was two years before
fair enough was pretty sure it was the yr before otherwise would not have said so.
let me also say i dont but into the argument of gm making important calls on his lonesome. cameron was bought in to look after these kind of things at the end of 07 just as jackson was bought in to have input into recruiting during 05. the buck may stop with miller but the blame should be shared.
anyway this old chestnut has been done to death dont think there is a need to rehash it. only thing thing that needs remembering is we as a club stuffed up an opportunity to get something decent for schulz two yrs before we gave him away for a song.
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It was a typical Jay Schulz marking attempt, trying to kill himself and his teammate.
Maybe Richo wasn't getting in his way...
Are you for real? It looked bloody brave to me.
I didn't say he wasn't brave, but he had a knack of coming off second best in a marking contest.
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Miller wanted a swap of first round picks as well as Port's pick 28. Port said no and the deal fell through.
Yep. That was at the 11th hour though, after the deal for just pick 28 had pretty much been signed off, Miller went back for one more screw of the pooch.
Poochy didn't roll over.
:lol Yeah, but let's not allow that to stand in the way of some getting another chance to sink the boots into Cameron. :lol
Plenty of opportunities to sink the boot into Helmut without making up poo ;D
Mail is Hardwick was dead set on keeping Schulz at Tigerland but Cameron had already made a decision. Said he didn't have enough talent and moved him on. Another Helmut special.
Just saw an Uncle Toby ad
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Mail is Hardwick was dead set on keeping Schulz at Tigerland but Cameron had already made a decision. Said he didn't have enough talent and moved him on. Another Helmut special.
No doubt Cameron moved him on for Farmer. Was adamant that Schulz wouldn't make it.. :P
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After seven years less one game of crap performances I wonder why he thought that
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I love Chuck but sadly he is stuffed in the head. I forgive him though.
:)
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I love Chuck but sadly he is stuffed in the head. I forgive him though.
:)
Thanks Coach
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:lol
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Yeah, really feeding ourselves the same medicine by getting rid of a list clogger that was threatening to make it 7 years of clogging. :banghead :banghead
Yeah we've done no other research popelord, I'm sure Brendon Lade knows nothing about him for a start. ::) ::)
I for one, applaud this trade. Schulz is no good, and Farmer is an unknown quantity but has far more chance of coming right than Schulz. It's a win for us.
I miss this guy
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I for one don't and am ashamed that the club had such a policy when they drafted Schulz.
I'm talking about the Aryan drafting policy of the early to late 2000s.
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Lol saw this thread up the top and thought bookies would give pretty poor odds on it being Coach who bumped it. $1.01 I got. Loaded up the life savings and the house on it. ;D
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Gotta let the sarge thing go, i was a big fan, thought he had talent to burn but lets face it, he came across as pretty lazy. I wasnt hugely dissapointed we ended up letting him go, had run his race at our club... bit like jacko, connors, mcguane and white. Come to think of it, WHY DID WE LET HIM GO and keep these duds on? :banghead
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Cuz we have morons at our club? And it should ring a bell for those morons when no one comes knocking for blokes like Jackson & McGuane.
I will keep bumping this thread for as long as I want. I am a stuffing guru and will dine off this until I can no longer be arsed doing so. Schulz is a gun
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if i remember correctly francis jackson really rated both hislop and thompson no surprise when they became available we ended up with them. getting thompson meant we got little in return for schulzy.
schulzy is probably the one that got away from us. in saying this if we went thru a similar 7 yrs as we did with him i would want to see him traded.
he was stagnating big time wanted out his heart was no longer in the place and we were getting little out of him.
i dont believe this is one we got wrong it should have been a parting that was beneficial to both parties but wasnt.
lots of twists and turns in this. port offered us pick 28 in either 07 or 08 for him we got greedy and demanded pick upgrades as well. then along comes 09 schulzy coming off another poor season and port sniff again. because jackson is into thompson we agree to the trade of thompson and pick 71 o that we waste on nason that is if you can truly waste pick 71.
i think also when we cut schulz richo was going around for another season but then retired i wonder if would not have hung onto jay for another season if richo had retired at the end of 09 season.
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Cuz we have morons at our club? And it should ring a bell for those morons when no one comes knocking for blokes like Jackson & McGuane.
I will keep bumping this thread for as long as I want. I am a stuffing guru and will dine off this until I can no longer be arsed doing so. Schulz is a gun
:shh :bow
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if i remember correctly francis jackson really rated both hislop and thompson no surprise when they became available we ended up with them. getting thompson meant we got little in return for schulzy.
schulzy is probably the one that got away from us. in saying this if we went thru a similar 7 yrs as we did with him i would want to see him traded.
he was stagnating big time wanted out his heart was no longer in the place and we were getting little out of him.
i dont believe this is one we got wrong it should have been a parting that was beneficial to both parties but wasnt.
lots of twists and turns in this. port offered us pick 28 in either 07 or 08 for him we got greedy and demanded pick upgrades as well. then along comes 09 schulzy coming off another poor season and port sniff again. because jackson is into thompson we agree to the trade of thompson and pick 71 o that we waste on nason that is if you can truly waste pick 71.
i think also when we cut schulz richo was going around for another season but then retired i wonder if would not have hung onto jay for another season if richo had retired at the end of 09 season.
Thomson was already here. You're forgetting the real gun we got for Sarge.....Mitch Farmer. Not sure who was keen on him but whoever it was should get sacked ;D But you are right. I don't think Jay's heart was in it anymore. He was very handy as a defender in 2008 but 2009 was rough. Think he was sick of getting moved in every game. Funny how Port played him forward and kept him there even when he didn't have a good game...he kept working hard and in the 2nd half of his first year there, he was one of the best forwards in the comp and has been ever since.
Cuz we have morons at our club? And it should ring a bell for those morons when no one comes knocking for blokes like Jackson & McGuane.
I will keep bumping this thread for as long as I want. I am a stuffing guru and will dine off this until I can no longer be arsed doing so. Schulz is a gun
:shh :bow
:shh
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I Think you might be disappointed coach that this thread will soon become redundant as the word on the street is he has quit AFL and has decided to take up Womens Beach Volleyball.
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God CD, this old chestnut is becoming worse than my NO EXCUSES thread.... :o
Which I might add will be dragged up again come round one... ;D
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Just poor development.
Richo on the verge of retirement and you get rid of his replacement the very same year, for peanuts no less.
Nice work Cameron. :wallywink
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Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
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Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
Agree, the honourable Coach Davey has memory issues but given his advanced age that is OK
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Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
He played one game after Cho's hamstring injury. 10 touches, some good marks & assists + a goal. Not to mention being moved more times than any other bloke on the field. He then got dropped and never played for Richmond again and has since gone onto become one of the best forwards in the game.
Schulzy was probably the worst developed player I can remember. Sat on the bench 90% of the time under Frawley and never got a proper run as a forward under Wallet because Terry was too scared to play Richo away from the forward line because it would have hurt his job security ;D
Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
Agree, the honourable Coach Davey has memory issues but given his advanced age that is OK
Care to take back that post now or does 1 game where he played 40 minutes as a forward = plenty of chances? Cue sarcastic response.
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if i remember correctly francis jackson really rated both hislop and thompson no surprise when they became available we ended up with them. getting thompson meant we got little in return for schulzy.
schulzy is probably the one that got away from us. in saying this if we went thru a similar 7 yrs as we did with him i would want to see him traded.
he was stagnating big time wanted out his heart was no longer in the place and we were getting little out of him.
i dont believe this is one we got wrong it should have been a parting that was beneficial to both parties but wasnt.
lots of twists and turns in this. port offered us pick 28 in either 07 or 08 for him we got greedy and demanded pick upgrades as well. then along comes 09 schulzy coming off another poor season and port sniff again. because jackson is into thompson we agree to the trade of thompson and pick 71 o that we waste on nason that is if you can truly waste pick 71.
i think also when we cut schulz richo was going around for another season but then retired i wonder if would not have hung onto jay for another season if richo had retired at the end of 09 season.
Thomson was already here. You're forgetting the real gun we got for Sarge.....Mitch Farmer. Not sure who was keen on him but whoever it was should get sacked ;D But you are right. I don't think Jay's heart was in it anymore. He was very handy as a defender in 2008 but 2009 was rough. Think he was sick of getting moved in every game. Funny how Port played him forward and kept him there even when he didn't have a good game...he kept working hard and in the 2nd half of his first year there, he was one of the best forwards in the comp and has been ever since.
Cuz we have morons at our club? And it should ring a bell for those morons when no one comes knocking for blokes like Jackson & McGuane.
I will keep bumping this thread for as long as I want. I am a stuffing guru and will dine off this until I can no longer be arsed doing so. Schulz is a gun
:shh :bow
:shh
sorry your right it was farmer the hacks just blurr together after awhile and get jumbled up.
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:lol
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lazy footballer, only mistake we made was
what year we traded him, one year too late. :thumbsup
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Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
He played one game after Cho's hamstring injury. 10 touches, some good marks & assists + a goal. Not to mention being moved more times than any other bloke on the field. He then got dropped and never played for Richmond again and has since gone onto become one of the best forwards in the game.
Schulzy was probably the worst developed player I can remember. Sat on the bench 90% of the time under Frawley and never got a proper run as a forward under Wallet because Terry was too scared to play Richo away from the forward line because it would have hurt his job security ;D
Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
Agree, the honourable Coach Davey has memory issues but given his advanced age that is OK
Care to take back that post now or does 1 game where he played 40 minutes as a forward = plenty of chances? Cue sarcastic response.
I used to watch big Jay and he basically didn't try to get to nearly enough contests.
Adults take some responsibility for their own development - even footballers
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lazy footballer, only mistake we made was
what year we traded him, one year too late. :thumbsup
What a load of rubbish.You would
be talking him up if
he were still in our team
Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
He played one game after Cho's hamstring injury. 10 touches, some good marks & assists + a goal. Not to mention being moved more times than any other bloke on the field. He then got dropped and never played for Richmond again and has since gone onto become one of the best forwards in the game.
Schulzy was probably the worst developed player I can remember. Sat on the bench 90% of the time under Frawley and never got a proper run as a forward under Wallet because Terry was too scared to play Richo away from the forward line because it would have hurt his job security ;D
Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
Agree, the honourable Coach Davey has memory issues but given his advanced age that is OK
Care to take back that post now or does 1 game where he played 40 minutes as a forward = plenty of chances? Cue sarcastic response.
I used to watch big Jay and he basically didn't try to get to nearly enough contests.
Adults take some responsibility for their own development - even footballers
Disagree. Worked his arse off but had no fitness until 2008. 2009 was a whole other story ;D And Jay did take responsibility. Basically said it was all on him and he blamed himself. Had to see a shrink because of what he was going through at Richmond. There is a lot people don't know about Jay. I'm sad that he isn't a gun forward for us but at the same time I'm happy he got to a great club that treats him well.
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I liked Jay too.
It was sad to see him either not be interested or perhaps he was spent mentally by 2009.
He had to go, good luck to him and Port
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but at the same time I'm happy he got to a great club that treats him well.
Did he get traded from Port?
You SURELY couldnt be calling that broke rabble shambles of a club "a great club".
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lazy footballer, only mistake we made was
what year we traded him, one year too late. :thumbsup
What a load of rubbish.You would
be talking him up if
he were still in our team
Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
He played one game after Cho's hamstring injury. 10 touches, some good marks & assists + a goal. Not to mention being moved more times than any other bloke on the field. He then got dropped and never played for Richmond again and has since gone onto become one of the best forwards in the game.
Schulzy was probably the worst developed player I can remember. Sat on the bench 90% of the time under Frawley and never got a proper run as a forward under Wallet because Terry was too scared to play Richo away from the forward line because it would have hurt his job security ;D
Maybe it was poor development but l recall Schultz getting plenty of chances back in 2009 .
That was after Richo went down....Schultz just looked like a massive spud no different to Cleve Hughes.
Agree, the honourable Coach Davey has memory issues but given his advanced age that is OK
Care to take back that post now or does 1 game where he played 40 minutes as a forward = plenty of chances? Cue sarcastic response.
I used to watch big Jay and he basically didn't try to get to nearly enough contests.
Adults take some responsibility for their own development - even footballers
Disagree. Worked his arse off but had no fitness until 2008. 2009 was a whole other story ;D And Jay did take responsibility. Basically said it was all on him and he blamed himself. Had to see a shrink because of what he was going through at Richmond. There is a lot people don't know about Jay. I'm sad that he isn't a gun forward for us but at the same time I'm happy he got to a great club that treats him well.
and who says. you. :lol
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but at the same time I'm happy he got to a great club that treats him well.
Did he get traded from Port?
You SURELY couldnt be calling that broke rabble shambles of a club "a great club".
No, he is still there as far as I know. They are a fantastic organisation that have lost their way a bit.
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No, he is still there as far as I know. They are a fantastic organisation that have lost their way a bit.
They make Melbourne, Nought and the Aints look like financial powerhouses
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#BringTheGermanHome
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#ReclaimSarge