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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 15, 2010, 07:24:12 PM
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Healy just now on 3aw.
He reckons we're now getting better despite the fact we'll go backwards on the ladder this year. We're better off because we've made the decision to clean the decks and start again. While you don't bottom out you're going nowhere. But as far as our next premiership he says all you can predict is what year before they win their next premiership and that year is 2018. So at least another 8 year wait according to Healy.
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Every time I hear the name Healy I cant help but think of Barrassi "..Healy! Weak as pee! Get him off"
Yeah, it was his brother, but.....
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8 years is lifetime in footy. Lids will be 30 by then and most of our current cubs will be 27+. If we aren't challenging in 5 years time then we've done something seriously wrong again as a Club and it'd be same old same old.
Every time I hear the name Healy I cant help but think of Barrassi "..Healy! Weak as pee! Get him off"
Yeah, it was his brother, but.....
I thought that was directed at Gerard not his brother Greg.
Barrassi: "You give me possessions and I'll shut up!"
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Picked that number out of his anus.
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8 years is lifetime in footy. Lids will be 30 by then and most of our current cubs will be 27+. If we aren't challenging in 5 years time then we've done something seriously wrong again as a Club and it'd be same old same old.
Every time I hear the name Healy I cant help but think of Barrassi "..Healy! Weak as pee! Get him off"
Yeah, it was his brother, but.....
I thought that was directed at Gerard not his brother Greg.
Barrassi: "You give me possessions and I'll shut up!"
Could have been MT, I thought it was Greg but I never would have bet on it.
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I think 2018 is when Healy gets his first root 8)
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my moneys on healy being closer to right than gale predicting 3 in how many yrs.
sheesh most supporters think we have bottomed out i disagree.
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i wonder when Healy thinks Melbourne will win a Premiership? before 2014?
:)
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well hes more optomistic than i am :whistle
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Can't agree with Healy, 3 years IMHO.
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If we use free agency properly and develop our list properly in the meantime it should be much earlier than 2018, if we dont then 2018 may not be long enough!
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my moneys on healy being closer to right than gale predicting 3 in how many yrs.
sheesh most supporters think we have bottomed out i disagree.
we will bottom out by years end after we get rid of the remaining list cloggers on our list
we are in better shape this year without the likes of hacks like Brown, Sugar, Schulz, Petrified and JON on our list.
i cant remember a pre-season where first year players are playing better than the experienced ones.
Thats gotta be a good thing for us.
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my moneys on healy being closer to right than gale predicting 3 in how many yrs.
sheesh most supporters think we have bottomed out i disagree.
well you're 3 years in the negative, I may be 1 year in the positive. So we'll win it in 2014 8)
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If we have a good couple of drafts in the next 2 years 2013-18 is a reasonable window to strive for finals football.
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2012 - 2018 will be our window if there is one :pray - You "I" would hope we will be around the mark from 2013 onwards ...
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my moneys on healy being closer to right than gale predicting 3 in how many yrs.
3 finals appearances in 5 years. Gale didn't say premierships. ;)
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my moneys on healy being closer to right than gale predicting 3 in how many yrs.
3 finals appearances in 5 years. Gale didn't say premierships. ;)
Yes he did. He said we should be aiming for our 13th Premiership in 2020 so that is 2 by he end of 2019 and contending for another one in 2020.
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So he did. :o I was up with the 3-0-75 but not the 2020 bit.
Seems Healy is pretty much in his corner with first of 3. :P
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Healy's original comment shows a year is a long time in footy. We were still the next Fitzroy this time last year to most in the media.
We'll have new draftees and possibly at least one trade onto our list so there should be 2-3 newbies at least you'd reckon by round 1, 2012 along with the current core.
B: Rance Grimes
HB: Newman Batchelor
C: Deledio Cotchin Houli
HF: Griffiths
F: Riewoldt Vickery
R: Martin Foley
Int: Grigg, Conca
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Healys comment showed what a idiot he is. By 2018 he will be a geriatric idiot but the way he is tracking that may happen by 2016 :pray
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Healy's original comment shows a year is a long time in footy. We were still the next Fitzroy this time last year to most in the media.
We'll have new draftees and possibly at least one trade onto our list so there should be 2-3 newbies at least you'd reckon by round 1, 2012 along with the current core.
B: Rance Grimes
HB: Newman Batchelor
C: Deledio Cotchin Houli
HF: Griffiths
F: Riewoldt Vickery
R: Martin Foley
Int: Grigg, Conca
conca on the bench , ya kidding, he will be in the midfeild or wing as a starter, not on the pine
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Healy's original comment shows a year is a long time in footy. We were still the next Fitzroy this time last year to most in the media.
We'll have new draftees and possibly at least one trade onto our list so there should be 2-3 newbies at least you'd reckon by round 1, 2012 along with the current core.
B: Rance Grimes
HB: Newman Batchelor
C: Deledio Cotchin Houli
HF: Griffiths
F: Riewoldt Vickery
R: Martin Foley
Int: Grigg, Conca
No Nahas and King in that side MT?
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As much as we all wish it to be, Griffiths is no certainity at the moment either. Sure, lock in your Cotchins/Martins, Riewoldt etc but Griffiths still has to earn his place in the team much the same as Astbury does. In fact Astbury showed more in his time in the side than Griffiths did in those few short stints last year. I actually believe he will but nothing a certainity especially when a young player has a major injury history and is starting a long way back in terms of form and fitness.
As always time will tell but I just think we may have to curb our enthusiasm somewhat and hold off on the definite lock ins for players such as young Ben.
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Healy's original comment shows a year is a long time in footy. We were still the next Fitzroy this time last year to most in the media.
We'll have new draftees and possibly at least one trade onto our list so there should be 2-3 newbies at least you'd reckon by round 1, 2012 along with the current core.
B: Rance Grimes
HB: Newman Batchelor
C: Deledio Cotchin Houli
HF: Griffiths
F: Riewoldt Vickery
R: Martin Foley
Int: Grigg, Conca
conca on the bench , ya kidding, he will be in the midfeild or wing as a starter, not on the pine
It wasn't meant to be a knock on Reece. I see him in the midfield as well next year (that's why I didn't put Conca on a HFF) but we have some top quality young mids now that you can't fit them in there all at once so you keep one on the bench and then rotate them through the midfield.
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Healy's original comment shows a year is a long time in footy. We were still the next Fitzroy this time last year to most in the media.
We'll have new draftees and possibly at least one trade onto our list so there should be 2-3 newbies at least you'd reckon by round 1, 2012 along with the current core.
B: Rance Grimes
HB: Newman Batchelor
C: Deledio Cotchin Houli
HF: Griffiths
F: Riewoldt Vickery
R: Martin Foley
Int: Grigg, Conca
No Nahas and King in that side MT?
They've both had a good season RR but still not convinced based on their size and quality looking ahead towards playing finals (Nahas ahead of Kingy in natural talent btw IMO). It wouldn't surprise me if we traded one while their trade value is high. This time last year they were both heading for the scrap-heap.
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By 2018 Healy will have a bigger comb-over than Donald Trump .....
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No Nahas and King in that side MT?
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They've both had a good season RR but still not convinced based on their size and quality looking ahead towards playing finals (Nahas ahead of Kingy in natural talent btw IMO). It wouldn't surprise me if we traded one while their trade value is high. This time last year they were both heading for the scrap-heap.
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Disagree. They're both playing that small forward role really well, locking the ball in, giving us lots of run and more importantly kicking lots of goals. Last year is last year. And as for their small stature, they're no smaller than Betts and Garland, and every bit as effective
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Astbury. Oreilly. Nahas. King. Browne. Helbig. Even Moore vital.
Healy's original comment shows a year is a long time in footy. We were still the next Fitzroy this time last year to most in the media.
We'll have new draftees and possibly at least one trade onto our list so there should be 2-3 newbies at least you'd reckon by round 1, 2012 along with the current core.
B: Rance Grimes
HB: Newman Batchelor
C: Deledio Cotchin Houli
HF: Griffiths
F: Riewoldt Vickery
R: Martin Foley
Int: Grigg, Conca
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2013 earliest 2015latest depending on how the kids in Dimma's first two drafts come through.
If most kids become regulars from this draft and next whilst filling a few holes in the list then with what we have already then we should be a top 4 side by 2015 perhaps higher if things within a season fall our way.
It's a fine fine line.
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Astbury. Oreilly. Nahas. King. Browne. Helbig. Even Moore vital.
Moore seems like a good chance to never play again judging by the whispers.
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2018 :lol l will be dead by then, so stiff ;D
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Anyone as old as me knows that Richmond have never forgiven Healy for his unabashed bias against us. He was despised at our club for years after his front page article in the Herald Sun in the early nineties stating ' Melbourne Tigers '
stuff Gerard Healy !
Edit: avoiding swear filter
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prick might be on the money with the way we are going. What kills me is have a look at the stuffing Eagles... they are already up and about in the top four... They were a joke last year. Time and time again rebuilding sides cruise past us and it blows my mind.
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prick might be on the money with the way we are going. What kills me is have a look at the effing Eagles... they are already up and about in the top four... They were a joke last year. Time and time again rebuilding sides cruise past us and it blows my mind.
Its our development with Coburg that is our problem. Until we are a standalone club, we will not be buying any finals tickets anytime in the future. If Richmond had their own VFL standalone side, then the duds would be sorted out & found out.
Richmond are out of excuses & its very clear to me where the problem lays. Coburg :banghead
AFL needs to return the Reserves to the league so that all clubs are equal. :thumbsup
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I thought we were doing ok with development last year, what has gone wrong this year? Did we lose someone? Has something changed?
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Time and time again rebuilding sides cruise past us and it blows my mind.
Because none of them have come from such a position of 'list management hopelessness' as we have post-Frawley/Wallace. 10 years of the most inept bungling of recruiting/drafting/developing imaginable. Even Carlton's list in their darkest hour wasn't as bad as what ours was 2 years ago.
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prick might be on the money with the way we are going. What kills me is have a look at the effing Eagles... they are already up and about in the top four... They were a joke last year. Time and time again rebuilding sides cruise past us and it blows my mind.
A lot easier to rebuild a side when you still have premiership players in good form like Glass, Cox, Kerr, Embley running around and a giant KPF like Lynch.
Compare to our senior players...
*crickets*
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I thought we were doing ok with development last year, what has gone wrong this year? Did we lose someone? Has something changed?
Nothing has gone wrong Owl. We are developing and improving steadily but that doesn't mean we will see tangible results by way of victory each week just yet. Trouble is we have raised the bar sufficiently to stir up the expectations of the impatient among us and for that we must now suffer the knee-jerk ranting we are hearing. Pre-season almost everyone was happy to admit to caring more about our improvement in areas such as scoring, defensive pressure, competitiveness etc without regard to results and ladder position and despite improvement in all these areas to the extent finals are being talked about, as soon as we don't keep winning every game then the 'Glass Half Empty' brigade go feral. We were never going to be consistent or hugely successful or predictable this year but that got forgotten very very quickly as soon as the "F" word got mentioned. :lol Take a Bex, have a good lie down and enjoy the ride - we are still doing ok.
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prick might be on the money with the way we are going. What kills me is have a look at the effing Eagles... they are already up and about in the top four... They were a joke last year. Time and time again rebuilding sides cruise past us and it blows my mind.
A lot easier to rebuild a side when you still have premiership players in good form like Glass, Cox, Kerr, Embley running around and a giant KPF like Lynch.
Compare to our senior players...
Exactly Gerks.
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prick might be on the money with the way we are going. What kills me is have a look at the effing Eagles... they are already up and about in the top four... They were a joke last year. Time and time again rebuilding sides cruise past us and it blows my mind.
we don't have kerr. Coughlan injury fcked us
we don't have cox/nic. Simmonds retire. We spent our high draft pick on mids we needed browne us best option. Baby.
Glass was rubbish we glass age
we had no Judd yo trade for a gun key forward. In Kennedy
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Exactly Gerks.
Don't agree with him, it only encourages him.
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still think healy is closer to the money than gale.
sheesh i can confidently say we have 3 drafts in front of us where we will delist up to 8 players for each draft.
people keep on saying we have improved greatly under hardwick well im sorry there isnt much to back that up.
we may if we get very lucky scrape into the 8 in 2013 if we recruit well over the next 2 trade nd periods.. but with so many young players still to come, so many to turn over still, development of those players and a decent finals apprenticeship, not to mention other young sides improving people forget there will be 18 sides striving for one thing and they too will improve. 2017 2018 is the more likely yr for us to make a gf and win one if we get things right..
let me ask how many truly established players of consistency and quality do we have. well depending on how and who you rate them the answer is still very few.
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No flag before 2018, i'd just like to see some finals action for a start.
We haven't even challenged in 30 years, in future we could have a St. Kilda or Bulldogs type run, consistent finals and nothing to show for it.
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Yeah Coggers was a solid player, damn shame we lost him, it seems we lost a lot of solid blokes to injury and the rest were just not up to it at all. Browny was cruel too. We really are building from the ground up. I just got over excited. Melbourne has a more established base, much as I hate to admit it. It showed with blokes like Jones carving us up and Green etc.
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No Nahas and King in that side MT?
They've both had a good season RR but still not convinced based on their size and quality looking ahead towards playing finals (Nahas ahead of Kingy in natural talent btw IMO). It wouldn't surprise me if we traded one while their trade value is high. This time last year they were both heading for the scrap-heap.
Disagree. They're both playing that small forward role really well, locking the ball in, giving us lots of run and more importantly kicking lots of goals. Last year is last year. And as for their small stature, they're no smaller than Betts and Garland, and every bit as effective
Disagree with the last sentence RR. While Betts can be suspect against top 4 opposition, Garlett is daylight ahead of Nahas and Kingy as far as footy smarts and skill level IMO.