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Class cost Tigers, says Hardwick
richmondfc.com.au
By Pat Devery
5:51 PM Sun 16 May, 2010
A LACK of what Damien Hardwick called "polish" prevented the Tigers from registering their first win of the year, according to the Richmond coach.
The Tigers led on several key indicators but when the final siren went, they were behind on the most important statistic: the scoreline.
Hardwick believed the three-point loss was an opportunity let slip.
"We looked at our numbers and thought we should have really won the game," he said after the match.
"We thought we were the better side on the day."
The Tigers kicked five goals to four in the final term to almost steal the game but it was the missed chances Hardwick was to rue.
"I don't want to say we were unlucky. We had our chances to win the game, as probably did Hawthorn, but we just needed to be more composed at a couple of stages during the game," he said.
"But there's no doubt it was a step forward for our footy club today".
Much of that momentum was provided by Richmond's younger brigade. Matt White was prominent in the final quarter, while Hardwick singled out Ben Nason, Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt as key contributors.
"Trent Cotchin was simply outstanding for us as well," he added.
The 20-year-old finished the match with 27 disposals, including 14 contested possessions to prove that courage resides alongside class in his developing frame.
The match was the first time, Hardwick felt, that his team had not lost the contest through a fatal drop-off during a single quarter. The consistency of effort seemed to please the coach most.
"I said to the players at the end of the game: Listen, we set a standard ... forget the first eight games, it's 0-0 so our season will really start now", he said.
"We want to build on what we took out of today's game and go forward from there."
One player who is in danger of missing at least some of that journey is Daniel Jackson, who appeared to head butt Hawks' hardman Campbell Brown.
The incident followed another clash - this time in dispute for the ball - when both players lowered their head in their attack on the footy. Jackson, who appeared to be collected high, came of second-best in the collision but Hardwick believed it would go no further.
"I just thought it was two guys going head-first into the ball - both terrific players, both ball players - one of those contests you love to see in AFL footy."
It wasn't the day's only clash. A week after the umpires wore pink strips that melded with the special strip being worn by Melbourne, the officials donned yellowish uniforms that made distinguishing them from Hawthorn players difficult.
"I did notice they were very similar, they were yellow were they not?" asked Hardwick.
"They did clash a little bit. It's probably something the AFL may look at again."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/94406/default.aspx
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
The younger players stood up today but what the hell were they thinking handing Hawks 2 goals like that. Pathetic!!!
White needs to play out the season and ill say it again. Jack R will be a gun. Groom another forward to stand next to him and watch him shine.
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daniel i think you're being very harsh on chris today.he led by example, applied some fierce tackles which almost made me jump the fence and barrel buddy.mc gaune well you get a bit more sympathy from me there
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Class cost Tigers, says Hardwick
richmondfc.com.au
By Pat Devery
5:51 PM Sun 16 May, 2010
It wasn't the day's only clash. A week after the umpires wore pink strips that melded with the special strip being worn by Melbourne, the officials donned yellowish uniforms that made distinguishing them from Hawthorn players difficult.
"I did notice they were very similar, they were yellow were they not?" asked Hardwick.
"They did clash a little bit. It's probably something the AFL may look at again."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/94406/default.aspx
:o :banghead
As soon as I saw the umpires run out today in yellow I thought what a ridiculous decision in a game featuring two teams with yellow making up a significant proportion of their jumpers. Of all the colours, yellow would have to be the worst choice particularly considering all the runners wore the same colour too! :help
Can't agree with you daniel regarding Newman and Jackson. Every other game this season I would but this game Newman in particular was our general and inspired the younger players by word and deed. I was impressed. :clapping
Stripes
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these umpires are beginning to really get on my nerves..first they come out in a kaleidoscope of colors and then theres this insane re taking of the bounce which they constantly get wrong
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daniel i think you're being very harsh on chris today.he led by example, applied some fierce tackles which almost made me jump the fence and barrel buddy.mc gaune well you get a bit more sympathy from me there
Sorry mate he is the captain and has years of experience and that was disgraceful what he did.
Rance, Mcguane and Newman handed the Hawks 3 gimme goals in the second half. That my friend is the ball game.
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speaking of class hasnt anyone told polak you're allowed to kick the ball without picking it up...
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
The younger players stood up today but what the hell were they thinking handing Hawks 2 goals like that. Pathetic!!!
White needs to play out the season and ill say it again. Jack R will be a gun. Groom another forward to stand next to him and watch him shine.
Newman was outstanding today, wrong person in your sights and remember I'm a massive advocate for trading Newman
McGuane made some massive mistakes that cost us goals and he has to fix that part of his game, however he did pretty well keeping Buddy quiet. He only kicked 2 goals and one of those was a coast to coast where McGuane had no chance.
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
The younger players stood up today but what the hell were they thinking handing Hawks 2 goals like that. Pathetic!!!
White needs to play out the season and ill say it again. Jack R will be a gun. Groom another forward to stand next to him and watch him shine.
Newman was outstanding today, wrong person in your sights and remember I'm a massive advocate for trading Newman
McGuane made some massive mistakes that cost us goals and he has to fix that part of his game, however he did pretty well keeping Buddy quiet. He only kicked 2 goals and one of those was a coast to coast where McGuane had no chance.
when Newman kicked that goal i think in the 3rd i was rapt for him but again he let us down by handing that goal back to the Hawks.
Those 3 goals cost us the game.
As for his job on Buddy although he only kicked 2 goals i would safely say he had a big say in 2 or 3 other goals. Mcguane has too many flaws and lets too many goals come from mistakes.
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No one else on the list could have done the job on Buddy that McGuane did
You're just going to have to suck it up a little while longer
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Newman was outstanding today, wrong person in your sights and remember I'm a massive advocate for trading Newman
Totally agree
That goal in the final qtr right on the 50m line was a true captains goal. Then grabbing his jumper as to say "we're playing for this guys" was probably the most outstanding piece of leadership I've seen from him
As most people know I am one of his harshest critics but today he was sensational and a true captain :bow :bow
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Mcguane played above his level
Wait till rnd 12 and then you will see Gourdis take over mcguanes position, gourdis will get a good blooding this year in the second half of the season
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Mcguane played above his level
Wait till rnd 12 and then you will see Gourdis take over mcguanes position, gourdis will get a good blooding this year in the second half of the season
i saw both these blokes play this weekend. gourdis was diabolical. mcgaune was monumentally bad.
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Mcguane played above his level
Wait till rnd 12 and then you will see Gourdis take over mcguanes position, gourdis will get a good blooding this year in the second half of the season
i saw both these blokes play this weekend. gourdis was diabolical. mcgaune was monumentally bad.
Gourdis has a cieling to the moon. He will get a serious blooding this year
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Newman was outstanding today, wrong person in your sights and remember I'm a massive advocate for trading Newman
That goal in the final qtr right on the 50m line was a true captains goal. Then grabbing his jumper as to say "we're playing for this guys" was probably the most outstanding piece of leadership I've seen from
That piece of play and gesture has been the single most inspiring thing he has done as captain in his tenure.
In fact it is the best and most inspiring thing I have seen from a captain of the RFC since Knights kicked 3 goals in a final to keep us in the game back in 1995 and that says alot about us as a club.
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Polak dropped a mark in the last round in 2007 on the lead in front of goal and many thought he was tanking.
Today late in the first quarter he dropped a mark as easy as that one if not easier and the hawks took it up the other end and got a goal. Right now I was thinking of that and thinking possibly a goal we had and a goal Hawthorn would not have got and the final score may have been 14 8 92 to 12 11 83.
Definentely should have taken that mark and proves to me that lightning does strike twice rather than Polak tanking. :shh
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i saw both these blokes play this weekend. gourdis was diabolical. mcgaune was monumentally bad.
Yep he was poor on Saturday
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Polak dropped a mark in the last round in 2007 on the lead in front of goal and many thought he was tanking.
Today late in the first quarter he dropped a mark as easy as that one if not easier and the hawks took it up the other end and got a goal. Right now I was thinking of that and thinking possibly a goal we had and a goal Hawthorn would not have got and the final score may have been 14 8 92 to 12 11 83.
Definentely should have taken that mark and proves to me that lightning does strike twice rather than Polak tanking. :shh
that was rance that dropped the mark Im pretty sure you were referring too, a chest mark huh?
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From my vantage point in the Olympic Stand it looked like the mark was marginally out in front of him or a chest mark late in the first when we were 3.1 to 1.4 up Bojangles. :thumbsup
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A little bit more from Dimma in the Age
Hardwick thought his side performed better than its opponent, but lacked Hawthorn's polish.
''We looked at numbers and thought we really should have won the game, we thought we were the better side on the day. We're really disappointed we didn't, but there's no doubt it was a step forward for our footy club,'' he said. ''I said to the players at the end of the game we set a standard for our season from here on in. Forget the first eight games, it's zero-zero. So our season will really start now - we want to build on what we took out of today's game and go forward.
''Benny Nason stepped up again, Dustin Martin was really good. I thought Jack Riewoldt played well and Trent Cotchin was simply outstanding. We found some players and they've set a standard now, so they've just to maintain that for the remainder of the year.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hawk-brown-unconcerned-at-fair-bump-on-jackson-20100516-v6br.html
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Against a good midfield Cotchin was oustanding. Experience and the younger players developing will bring the required polish but we are going to have to wait a fair while for this to occur.
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
Probably the most insipid/stupid/weak coment ever posted on OER. Wake up, Newman was excellent, the best game he has played and lead. Give credit where its due or go away.
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
Probably the most insipid/stupid/weak coment ever posted on OER. Wake up, Newman was excellent, the best game he has played and lead. Give credit where its due or go away.
Newy was pretty good. You cant pin the loss on him. McGaune on the other hand :banghead
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Newy was pretty good. You cant pin the loss on him. McGuane on the other hand :banghead
For 98% of the game McGuane was very good. The other 2% was very costly - dumb mistakes that you would not want to see repeated on a regular basis. When you lose by 3 points you get the full impact of every mistake that costs a goal and it hurts that much more. And Newman had 1 in that category as well.
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
The younger players stood up today but what the hell were they thinking handing Hawks 2 goals like that. Pathetic!!!
White needs to play out the season and ill say it again. Jack R will be a gun. Groom another forward to stand next to him and watch him shine.
Agree with you Daniel
it was a few dull decision made by those players.
Rewoldt shined because he had some big players in Graham & Polak to block for him so to make the contest, funny l been saying to put the ruckmen resting in the forwardline for years. Graham really surprised me yesterday
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Oh the game was lost when we starting going backwards when we needed to push forward in the dying minutes
we our own worst enermy going across ground & backwards. take that out of our game it was a possible win but l seen huge improvement & a step forward to seeing more good football win or lose till we get it going to plan :gotigers
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
The younger players stood up today but what the hell were they thinking handing Hawks 2 goals like that. Pathetic!!!
White needs to play out the season and ill say it again. Jack R will be a gun. Groom another forward to stand next to him and watch him shine.
Agree with you Daniel
it was a few dull decision made by those players.
Rewoldt shined because he had some big players in Graham & Polak to block for him so to make the contest, funny l been saying to put the ruckmen resting in the forwardline for years. Graham really surprised me yesterday
Agree with everything you said here Monky. While players such as Astbury and Griffiths are developing we should utilize our ruckmen more and Gus has proved he is a good contested mark. Bring in Browne and rotate the ruck and forwardline duties between the 3 young rucks on our list.
It annoys me how some people pile into individual players even after they have had a good game. Their bias blinds them it appears. Newman bleed yellow and black on the weekend and played like an inspirational captain. After Peterson kissed his jumper once he kicked a goal to stick it up us and was rapted when Newman did likewise after his great goal. He has gone up in my estimations.
Similarly McGuane wiped the floor with Franklin and was tremendous in defense. When you make an error in the backline it become more noticable because the impact is more heavily felt. This is what I believe people are pointing too at present. Both Newman and McGuane were instrumental in getting us to the point of defeating the Hawks on the weekend. Highlighting the small parts of the game where they could have done better is counter productive given the sheer amount of positive aspects they had. The balance is significantly tilted towards the positives than negatives so give them a break is all I'm asking.
I for one was very pleased with how we preformed now I just want the team to build from this!
Stripes
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l been critical of Chris Newman for the past 2 seasons. The showing of the jumper inspires everyone on & off field.
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That game was lost because we lacked leadship from Newman and Mcguane.
The younger players stood up today but what the hell were they thinking handing Hawks 2 goals like that. Pathetic!!!
White needs to play out the season and ill say it again. Jack R will be a gun. Groom another forward to stand next to him and watch him shine.
Agree with you Daniel
it was a few dull decision made by those players.
Rewoldt shined because he had some big players in Graham & Polak to block for him so to make the contest, funny l been saying to put the ruckmen resting in the forwardline for years. Graham really surprised me yesterday
Agree with everything you said here Monky. While players such as Astbury and Griffiths are developing we should utilize our ruckmen more and Gus has proved he is a good contested mark. Bring in Browne and rotate the ruck and forwardline duties between the 3 young rucks on our list.
It annoys me how some people pile into individual players even after they have had a good game. Their bias blinds them it appears. Newman bleed yellow and black on the weekend and played like an inspirational captain. After Peterson kissed his jumper once he kicked a goal to stick it up us and was rapted when Newman did likewise after his great goal. He has gone up in my estimations.
Similarly McGuane wiped the floor with Franklin and was tremendous in defense. When you make an error in the backline it become more noticable because the impact is more heavily felt. This is what I believe people are pointing too at present. Both Newman and McGuane were instrumental in getting us to the point of defeating the Hawks on the weekend. Highlighting the small parts of the game where they could have done better is counter productive given the sheer amount of positive aspects they had. The balance is significantly tilted towards the positives than negatives so give them a break is all I'm asking.
I for one was very pleased with how we preformed now I just want the team to build from this!
Stripes
ill admit right now i had no idea he did that. Newman showing the jumper that is
I was on a Virgin flight from Cairns watching it on those small tv's. If thats true then i will take what i said all back because that is something else. Unbelievable actually!! Stuff like that from a captain is priceless IMO, worth more than giving away a cheap goal, a lot more.
Anyone know what quarter it was ill watch the replay
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Last quarter about 3 min in.
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Buddy was underdone and mcguane still couldnt keep up with him. Mcguane was terrible and those last line of defence errors cost us. He is hopeless and only was retained due to our lack of big blokes. Thursty was good, moore was OK but mcguane was embarrassing
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Given Moore was on Rioli, I wouldn't say he was that great
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Only highlights the problem we have with 3 talls who aren't especially tall or agile. We will struggle with a power forward on their day and struggle with an agile small-mid sized forward on their day.
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We need a centre half back. We have a full back in Will. Until we have a centre half back we will struggle down back. Hopefully Post will develop into a centre half back. McGuane should be the third option not the first option for that position.
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l would have rested Moore & brought in Kingy to tag Rioli, Rough him up & biff him a few times, Even if he got a week or 2 suspension his done his job. All they using him for is Coburg & wasting another good player for another club to pick him up to come back & bite us.
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Essendon assistant coach said on SEN that the last two weeks Richmond have been the most effective team by foot. :o
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Essendon assistant coach said on SEN that the last two weeks Richmond have been the most effective team by foot. :o
Just a public build up for his own team for the game on Saturday.
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i agree with hardwick we lacked class and polish. the thing is we will never have enough of either with the likes of graham rance mcguane nahas jackson tuck polak white edwards all in the one team.
imo we were competetive because we went into the game with enough height and size. big bodies enable you to compete but it wont help you win if you have too many who lack that polish.
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i agree with hardwick we lacked class and polish. the thing is we will never have enough of either with the likes of graham rance mcguane nahas jackson tuck polak white edwards all in the one team.
imo we were competetive because we went into the game with enough height and size. big bodies enable you to compete but it wont help you win if you have too many who lack that polish.
agree with all the above but not edwards santa
reckon he is coming along quite well, still have hopes of him making the grade
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i agree with hardwick we lacked class and polish. the thing is we will never have enough of either with the likes of graham rance mcguane nahas jackson tuck polak white edwards all in the one team.
imo we were competetive because we went into the game with enough height and size. big bodies enable you to compete but it wont help you win if you have too many who lack that polish.
agree with all the above but not edwards santa
reckon he is coming along quite well, still have hopes of him making the grade
From where he was standing at the start of the year Edwards is currently the clubs most improved player. :thumbsup
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i agree with hardwick we lacked class and polish. the thing is we will never have enough of either with the likes of graham rance mcguane nahas jackson tuck polak white edwards all in the one team.
imo we were competetive because we went into the game with enough height and size. big bodies enable you to compete but it wont help you win if you have too many who lack that polish.
agree with all the above but not edwards santa
reckon he is coming along quite well, still have hopes of him making the grade
From where he was standing at the start of the year Edwards is currently the clubs most improved player. :thumbsup
He has certainly improved over the last 4-5 weeks, it's a pitty Connors stuffed up off field as he was looking good too and they both could have been the surprise packets of the year to date. Lets just hope Edwards can maintain the form.
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i agree with hardwick we lacked class and polish. the thing is we will never have enough of either with the likes of graham rance mcguane nahas jackson tuck polak white edwards all in the one team.
imo we were competetive because we went into the game with enough height and size. big bodies enable you to compete but it wont help you win if you have too many who lack that polish.
agree with all the above but not edwards santa
reckon he is coming along quite well, still have hopes of him making the grade
hmm i reckon the last few games last yr saved his bacon. and i reckon hes been servicable in games this yr.
my trouble is when it comes to players like edwards for wont of a better analogy you rarely see a leopard change its spots, not for long anyway.
the jury is out thats something.