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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on May 31, 2010, 02:31:52 PM
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Someone has to say it.
He doesn't deserve one.
Why should any player be dropped after the effort of last week?
For mine doesn't deserve a farewell anyway. Played what 80 games? No B&F? Hasn't achieved anything. Bring back Richo for a farewell game if we're going to give charity spots in our side away. He's isn't in our best 22 and should earn his retirement game in the 2s or at training.
I'm sorry, may seem harsh but don't agree with farewell stuff unless you are an icon of the club.
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Pope we have to think about the bigger picture here,one of building a club culture that encourages people to want to come and play with us,and tells them that we do care about our past players and stars.isnt that what dimma and benny G have been on about all year.
Dont get me wrong i can understand your frustrations and i hear them loud and clear..but we are trying to build the taj mahal here not the merry creek bridge
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Both sides of the argument are valid.
In the end the process', 'onfield, offield, culture' put in place dictate that Simmo gets his send off, no way out of it! Good or Bad ....
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My first reaction was the same as Popes but I think Gigantor is 100% correct.
Simmonds has been a real jekyll and hyde for Richmond.(unfortunatly more hyde in the last 18 months).
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Someone such as Astbury or Polak will make way for Simmonds. I think he will be played as a tall option up forward and maybe act as the 2nd ruck when Gus needs a rest. If he has to replace someone for the game then my overwealming preference is Polak as he isn't part of our future either.
I think we should give him farewell game based on his 2006 but certainly not for his recent years form
Stripes
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don't forget that, from the article the other day, it seems as if he is going to stay at the club for the rest of the year to help out the young ruckmen.
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Someone has to say it.
He doesn't deserve one.
Why should any player be dropped after the effort of last week?
For mine doesn't deserve a farewell anyway. Played what 80 games? No B&F? Hasn't achieved anything. Bring back Richo for a farewell game if we're going to give charity spots in our side away. He's isn't in our best 22 and should earn his retirement game in the 2s or at training.
I'm sorry, may seem harsh but don't agree with farewell stuff unless you are an icon of the club.
He does deserve one.
Some people have short memories.
Disgraceful post.
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As fair as creating a happy culture I can see benefits. But there are as many benefits for rewarding the effort of last week and showing the group that the team picks the best 22 every week.
Beren he does deserve one? Explain how? H'es played 90 games for Richmond? 90..
Thats embarrassing. IMO only 150+ games service deserves a specific fair well game.
If Troy deserves a send off game then does Jordan McMahon whose only played 40 odd games less than Troy?
Fairwell games are a special occasion and when the club and the AFL start throwing farewell games to players that have played under 100 games for the club then it starts to lose its value.
If he was playing all year and retired, its a different story. He's not in the best 22, not willing to work back into it and has just put his hand up and said thats it give us a send off.
Just don't agree with it.
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Troy's record speaks for itself. I suggest you check it & perhaps read what the experts say about him.
As for your statment that he's not willing to work back into the team etc....suggests to me that you don't read much about the team you purport to follow & have no idea of Troy's work ethic or situation.
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Someone has to say it.
He doesn't deserve one.
Why should any player be dropped after the effort of last week?
For mine doesn't deserve a farewell anyway. Played what 80 games? No B&F? Hasn't achieved anything. Bring back Richo for a farewell game if we're going to give charity spots in our side away. He's isn't in our best 22 and should earn his retirement game in the 2s or at training.
I'm sorry, may seem harsh but don't agree with farewell stuff unless you are an icon of the club.
I have read some absolute garbage on OER but your post takes the cake.
Not even worth explaining to imbeciles.
Thats why we have been so bad in the past, attitudes like yours
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Agree with Popelord. I don't have a problem with recognizing his contribution, but maybe the home game against Freo (Rnd 15) and just a lap of the ground.
We've just got our structure in place around the stoppages, Simmo's been average and now it looks like we'll be going back to two rucks neither of whom are particularly mobile.
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Someone has to say it.
He doesn't deserve one.
Why should any player be dropped after the effort of last week?
For mine doesn't deserve a farewell anyway. Played what 80 games? No B&F? Hasn't achieved anything. Bring back Richo for a farewell game if we're going to give charity spots in our side away. He's isn't in our best 22 and should earn his retirement game in the 2s or at training.
I'm sorry, may seem harsh but don't agree with farewell stuff unless you are an icon of the club.
Someone doesnt have to say anything...not a good post.
Simmo gave good service to us...go back 18 months ago and he was a State Rep...
No harm in giving him a farewell game...
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If he was playing all year and retired, its a different story. He's not in the best 22, not willing to work back into it and has just put his hand up and said thats it give us a send off.
Who said he wasn't offered a send off? ::) ::)
The fact the players voted him into the leadership group this year shows how well he is respected by the playing group and how much intangible value has as a leader for the young kids we have. He has acknowledged he is no longer up to it because of his knee, stated it's time to get more games into our younger ruckmen and offered to mentor our ruckmen for the the rest of the year. What else could we ask from from him???
I suggest you pull your head in or at the very least take a look at both sides of the story.
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Now I don't know simmo from a bar of soap but I'm lead to believe he is an excellant clubman who has served our club with distinction. Nevermind recent weeks where his body has began to fail him. Footy clubs aren't put together with jigsaw peices, it's heart, it's soul, it's talent it's direction its leadership. If a footy club that has WON ONE damn game can't find within itself to thank a loyal servant with a lousy game of footy then indeed they are on an aimless trip to NOWHERE
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The fact the players voted him into the leadership group this year shows how well he is respected by the playing group and how much intangible value has as a leader for the young kids we have. He has acknowledged he is no longer up to it because of his knee, stated it's time to get more games into our younger ruckmen and offered to mentor our ruckmen for the the rest of the year. What else could we ask from from him???
Got it in one :clapping :clapping
He highly regarded by his team mates - that's a good enough reason IMHO
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Troy's record speaks for itself. I suggest you check it & perhaps read what the experts say about him.
As for your statment that he's not willing to work back into the team etc....suggests to me that you don't read much about the team you purport to follow & have no idea of Troy's work ethic or situation.
Troys record? Please. Under 90 games. No finals appearances, 3rd highest in B&F in 2006 only top 5 finish.
How is it any different to the last 50 players that have played 90 games for the club? Krakour didn't get a farewell game? Clinton King? Tim Fleming? Come on..
Were Tim Fleming or Clinton Kings work ethic not worthy of a farewell game.
I'm sorry it's a joke. I love sentiment in football but Troy is no different to any other player at Richmond whose played under 100 games. I'm all up for sending him off but I wouldn't be changing the team just so Troy can get up on the players shoulder and show his arm pits to the cameras.
I understand I'm the minority but surely some agree it's embarrassing. Work back into the side and then walk up to the cheer squad and wave. Don't need a media spin with a build up of in 2 weeks I'll be playing my last game in front of my home ground. How bout warranting a spot by playing in the 2's like the rest of the group does.
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Troy has played the last 3 years with severe lung damage
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Now I don't know simmo from a bar of soap but I'm lead to believe he is an excellant clubman who has served our club with distinction. Nevermind recent weeks where his body has began to fail him. Footy clubs aren't put together with jigsaw peices, it's heart, it's soul, it's talent it's direction its leadership. If a footy club that has WON ONE damn game can't find within itself to thank a loyal servant with a lousy game of footy then indeed they are on an aimless trip to NOWHERE
He actually spends his spare time down at the gym where I go to.
Is a really down to earth bloke :thumbsup
Puts in a lot more than most footballers
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Don't agree with it.
Send off games are for for players that give a decade of service with distinction. In Troys case sounds awful like I can't get back into the side so I'll just throw the towel in and lucky me I get a charity game. I don't like it.
If we're giving servants of the club of 90 games, no finals appearances, only top 3 B&F finish in a 6 year span farewell games, it's a precedence for a circus.
We're all getting a bit to defensive here. Got no problem with earning your way back into the side and retire with a bit of class. Not at the expense of dropping someone who was apart of our first success structure in 9 months. It's not fair on them and the greats that genuinely deserved a send off ie Knights, Richardson etc.
Would anyone agree that Kane Johnson have come back into the side last year and limped around the MCG for a farewell game? No so why are we happy for Troy to do it? Whats the point anyway? You can't argue it's completely selfish on Troys behave? Decided to retire last week after Round 8 only to play 1 more game in Round 10 as a last hurrah? Hurrah for what?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Instead of bashing the opinion please explain what the point of this farewell is actually for? A celebration is the best I come up with. But if you celebrate Troys career you'd celebrate 90% of the AFL lists career and that's farcical. Most were happy to see Brown, Coughlan, Richardson etc left off this years list to further development, yet pushing out a player that will be playing for his career is counter intuitive to that?
Make no sense to me. Feel free to explain it.
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Two words. Gaspar and Kellaway
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Don't agree with it.
Send off games are for for players that give a decade of service with distinction. In Troys case sounds awful like I can't get back into the side so I'll just throw the towel in and lucky me I get a charity game. I don't like it.
If we're giving servants of the club of 90 games, no finals appearances, only top 3 B&F finish in a 6 year span farewell games, it's a precedence for a circus.
We're all getting a bit to defensive here. Got no problem with earning your way back into the side and retire with a bit of class. Not at the expense of dropping someone who was apart of our first success structure in 9 months. It's not fair on them and the greats that genuinely deserved a send off ie Knights, Richardson etc.
Would anyone agree that Kane Johnson have come back into the side last year and limped around the MCG for a farewell game? No so why are we happy for Troy to do it? Whats the point anyway? You can't argue it's completely selfish on Troys behave? Decided to retire last week after Round 8 only to play 1 more game in Round 10 as a last hurrah? Hurrah for what?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Instead of bashing the opinion please explain what the point of this farewell is actually for? A celebration is the best I come up with. But if you celebrate Troys career you'd celebrate 90% of the AFL lists career and that's farcical. Most were happy to see Brown, Coughlan, Richardson etc left off this years list to further development, yet pushing out a player that will be playing for his career is counter intuitive to that?
Make no sense to me. Feel free to explain it.
I think you've made your point
It's still wrong, but we get it seriously
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Don't agree with it.
Send off games are for for players that give a decade of service with distinction. In Troys case sounds awful like I can't get back into the side so I'll just throw the towel in and lucky me I get a charity game. I don't like it.
If we're giving servants of the club of 90 games, no finals appearances, only top 3 B&F finish in a 6 year span farewell games, it's a precedence for a circus.
We're all getting a bit to defensive here. Got no problem with earning your way back into the side and retire with a bit of class. Not at the expense of dropping someone who was apart of our first success structure in 9 months. It's not fair on them and the greats that genuinely deserved a send off ie Knights, Richardson etc.
Would anyone agree that Kane Johnson have come back into the side last year and limped around the MCG for a farewell game? No so why are we happy for Troy to do it? Whats the point anyway? You can't argue it's completely selfish on Troys behave? Decided to retire last week after Round 8 only to play 1 more game in Round 10 as a last hurrah? Hurrah for what?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Instead of bashing the opinion please explain what the point of this farewell is actually for? A celebration is the best I come up with. But if you celebrate Troys career you'd celebrate 90% of the AFL lists career and that's farcical. Most were happy to see Brown, Coughlan, Richardson etc left off this years list to further development, yet pushing out a player that will be playing for his career is counter intuitive to that?
Make no sense to me. Feel free to explain it.
You see things from a supporters view and not what happens behind the scences.
He is highly regarded person in our football club and deserves a send off game.
There is lots people dont know what happens behind the closed doors, leave it at that
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jack wasnt he one of the leaders last year in the players push to get rid of the "suntanned one'?
One would think if that was the case he is well respected within the playing group
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I don't think it's embarrassing at all but he doesn't need a farewell game. The last year and a half have been a disaster for his career but I do accept before that he was important in a mediocre side. As a leader of the side - picked by his peers as a leader - he deserves the choice of a final game. The fact he chose a farewell game makes a statement about the leaders we pick, if he wants more opportunity for younger players why deny them even one game? So he had the choice to play out the season - another 12 games but wanted to give more opportunity to the younger players but:-
a. He didn't think of that at the end of last season robbing Gus Graham of 8 senior games
b. Someone goes out of the team this weekend and gets robbed of a game
I just think a farewell game is a bit indulgent and while giving him the choice is a fair call it smacks a little of a double standard that on the one hand he is retiring but on the other hand he is playing despite his reason for finishing up.
Do we expect him to have the same impact as a James Hird in his final game?
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Simmo will play Polak's role this week. Plonked up forward so Jack can still do his thing then help out Gus as 2nd ruck. Gus has earnt the first ruck role since his comeback into the side. So structurally it won't be too much different. One game in a write-off of a season isn't going to kill us.
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You see things from a supporters view and not what happens behind the scences.
He is highly regarded person in our football club and deserves a send off game.
Agree
There is lots people dont know what happens behind the closed doors, leave it at that
So true but there are so many who think they know when they actually don't know .... wouldn't you agree :rollin
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Don't agree with it.
Send off games are for for players that give a decade of service with distinction. In Troys case sounds awful like I can't get back into the side so I'll just throw the towel in and lucky me I get a charity game. I don't like it.
If we're giving servants of the club of 90 games, no finals appearances, only top 3 B&F finish in a 6 year span farewell games, it's a precedence for a circus.
We're all getting a bit to defensive here. Got no problem with earning your way back into the side and retire with a bit of class. Not at the expense of dropping someone who was apart of our first success structure in 9 months. It's not fair on them and the greats that genuinely deserved a send off ie Knights, Richardson etc.
Would anyone agree that Kane Johnson have come back into the side last year and limped around the MCG for a farewell game? No so why are we happy for Troy to do it? Whats the point anyway? You can't argue it's completely selfish on Troys behave? Decided to retire last week after Round 8 only to play 1 more game in Round 10 as a last hurrah? Hurrah for what?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Instead of bashing the opinion please explain what the point of this farewell is actually for? A celebration is the best I come up with. But if you celebrate Troys career you'd celebrate 90% of the AFL lists career and that's farcical. Most were happy to see Brown, Coughlan, Richardson etc left off this years list to further development, yet pushing out a player that will be playing for his career is counter intuitive to that?
Make no sense to me. Feel free to explain it.
I think you've made your point
It's still wrong, but we get it seriously
What is wrong? My point or the farewell game?
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So in 5 years at the club Troy Simmonds has done more behind the doors than Kane Johnson, Darren Gasper, Andrew Kellaway, Rory Hilton and Matthew Richardson have done in their careers? Did Greg Tivendale even have a farewell match? I fact I think he might have, and rightly so.
I'm not against Troy being fare welled. Everyone deserves to say goodbye, its the way its been allowed. Unless you've played 150+ games for the club, with form struggling and the game beyond you, you can't put your hand up and ask for a charity goodbye game. IE Tyson Edwards, and even that doesn't look good.
If we lost against Port last week it wouldn't have been an issue. The 22 that won last week 100% deserve there spot unless a player warrants their selection back ie a Foley, Jackson even Post after his 4 goal haul. Not a player that's post 30, in horrible form and struggling with fitness that wants 1 last hurrah match.
Troy isn't in the best 22 as it stands, why are we moving away from our vision of uncompromisable competitiveness. Picking a player that is probably only just fits in our best 30 at the moment is counter-intuitive to our development which is what this year is all about.
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You're just being silly now.
Answer these questions, please.
Who told you Simmonds asked for a farewell match as you continue to state like he is the enemy holding the club to ransom rather than the possibility of him being offered by the club and graciously accepting to play one last time as a leader for our football club?
Who are you to judge what Troy Simmonds means to our players as to what he has contributed, particularly as a clubman behind closed doors given he was voted by the playing group into the leadership group at the start of the season despite us knowing then he was only a player filling gaps in the ruck for a year at Damien Hardwick's request?
Your point about Kane Johnson, Matthew Richardson and Darren Gaspar is utter poo since two played in round 22 or the last game they were able to and Gaspar walked after being dropped, and Rory Hilton and Andrew Kellaway were delisted. None of those players had anything comparable to Troy Simmonds' situation and it's just you trying to search for some kind of valid reason for your incoherent ramblings, yes?
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Hardwick said last night he had no issue with a farewell game :thumbsup
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You see things from a supporters view and not what happens behind the scences.
He is highly regarded person in our football club and deserves a send off game.
Agree
There is lots people dont know what happens behind the closed doors, leave it at that
So true but there are so many who think they know when they actually don't know .... wouldn't you agree :rollin
I agree actually :thumbsup :rollin :rollin ;)
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Just got back from the gym and found this in the newsletter.
""Footballer Troy Simmonds had a 93% chance of dying from a Cardiovascular event in 2007. He recovered to be part of the 2008 AFL state of Orgin in team for Victoria.
The article goes on in regards to him donating his time in regards to "' Healthy Hearts and Strokes campaign.""
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You're just being silly now.
Answer these questions, please.
Who told you Simmonds asked for a farewell match as you continue to state like he is the enemy holding the club to ransom rather than the possibility of him being offered by the club and graciously accepting to play one last time as a leader for our football club?
Who are you to judge what Troy Simmonds means to our players as to what he has contributed, particularly as a clubman behind closed doors given he was voted by the playing group into the leadership group at the start of the season despite us knowing then he was only a player filling gaps in the ruck for a year at Damien Hardwick's request?
Your point about Kane Johnson, Matthew Richardson and Darren Gaspar is utter poo since two played in round 22 or the last game they were able to and Gaspar walked after being dropped, and Rory Hilton and Andrew Kellaway were delisted. None of those players had anything comparable to Troy Simmonds' situation and it's just you trying to search for some kind of valid reason for your incoherent ramblings, yes?
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I have an issue with a guy that's played 90 games for the club getting a farewell game, who is not in our best 22.
If Tuck and McMahon played out the year in the VFL and wanted to retire would we be happy for them to come in and take spots from deserved players?
Get past the fact were all stoked for Troy. Think about every player that actually played 100 games for the club that weren't given one.
Let's not get to emotional and defensive Deledio and Bling has been at the club just as long if he retired do we give Brett and Bling a send off?
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You're just being silly now.
Answer these questions, please.
Who told you Simmonds asked for a farewell match as you continue to state like he is the enemy holding the club to ransom rather than the possibility of him being offered by the club and graciously accepting to play one last time as a leader for our football club?
Who are you to judge what Troy Simmonds means to our players as to what he has contributed, particularly as a clubman behind closed doors given he was voted by the playing group into the leadership group at the start of the season despite us knowing then he was only a player filling gaps in the ruck for a year at Damien Hardwick's request?
Your point about Kane Johnson, Matthew Richardson and Darren Gaspar is utter poo since two played in round 22 or the last game they were able to and Gaspar walked after being dropped, and Rory Hilton and Andrew Kellaway were delisted. None of those players had anything comparable to Troy Simmonds' situation and it's just you trying to search for some kind of valid reason for your incoherent ramblings, yes?
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I have an issue with a guy that's played 90 games for the club getting a farewell game, who is not in our best 22.
If Tuck and McMahon played out the year in the VFL and wanted to retire would we be happy for them to come in and take spots from deserved players?
Get past the fact were all stoked for Troy. Think about every player that actually played 100 games for the club that weren't given one.
Let's not get to emotional and defensive Deledio and Bling has been at the club just as long if he retired do we give Brett and Bling a send off?
Yeah I know you have told us a million times but there you go again avoiding any questions that have been asked of you and creating unrealistic scenarios to try and suit your argument. Who is "stoked for Troy?" I'm not, this is not about us, this is about the playing group sending off a bloke who has been a great leader for this club, survived and played on after a 10% chance of living (which may be an inspiration from his team mates far more than we will ever know), and a player who decided to give his knee one more go at the request of our football department, not because of his own selfishness but to help out a club in need.
This shouldn't about isolating the amount of games he has played as some kind of be-and-end-all measure, get some kind of perspective there just might be more to it that your blinkers are failing to see. If the players and Hardwick want to give him a send off game I don't think it's up to an outsider to rubbish their call when they have no idea about what intangibles Simmonds has bought to the team or to judge without knowing the respect Simmonds has as a player and a person to his team mates. Who are you to rubbish the call when we are sitting on the outside with no idea what Troy Simmonds means to the club?
Now for gods sake answer these simple questions. If you avoid them again it's pretty clear you have some kind of agenda.
Who told you Simmonds asked for a farewell match as you continue to state like he is the enemy holding the club to ransom rather than the possibility of him being offered by the club and graciously accepting to play one last time as a leader for our football club?
Who are you to judge what Troy Simmonds means to our players as to what he has contributed, particularly as a clubman behind closed doors given he was voted by the playing group into the leadership group at the start of the season despite us knowing then he was only a player filling gaps in the ruck for a year at Damien Hardwick's request?
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TA its a dumb question that's why I didn't answer it.
Nobody told me Simmonds asked for it, we all know he agreed to it. The decision to have a farewell match is the problem, regardless if it was Troy, the club, the playing group or Zeus calling for it to happen.
TA, lets not get all high and mighty, who gives me the right to judge Troy? Well if we're getting all emotional about it the Australian Government does, with free opinionated speech.
Every player gives for there club, every player gives time outside of football to others. Andrew Raines was a big one giving countless hours to the homeless and disabled. Troy is no different to any other player.
I've said enough, I don't agree with it and feel very very sorry for a David Astbury or Graham Polak who'll make way for this circus.
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im not a big fan of troy the fake snake simmonds, but according to dimma, snake is an awsome bloke and been really great at the club and totally loved and respected by all the boys at the club. so i guess one can measure a bloke by what the closest ppl around him think of him, not us on the outside.
so imo , he deserves a send off
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TA its a dumb question that's why I didn't answer it.
Well if that's the case, a dumb thread deserves a dumb question. :-*
Nobody told me Simmonds asked for it, we all know he agreed to it. The decision to have a farewell match is the problem, regardless if it was Troy, the club, the playing group or Zeus calling for it to happen.
You were the one saying he asked for a farewell game, so I'm glad to see you have backtracked to the reality of the situation.
Every player gives for there club, every player gives time outside of football to others. Andrew Raines was a big one giving countless hours to the homeless and disabled. Troy is no different to any other player.
I've said enough, I don't agree with it and feel very very sorry for a David Astbury or Graham Polak who'll make way for this circus.
It's not outside of football that's any relevance, it's to the club itself. Being if not the most then near the highest regarded person at the Richmond Football Club means Simmo has contributed more to our sporting club than I know and you know and I suggest that if the players see him as a leader worthy of being sent off with a farewell game then we respect their call and get over the fact it's one game, which Polak should make way for as he was just average last week.
The only circus is the one made by you in this thread.
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I for one I remember when he was in form and playing some terrific football for us. He never shirked putting his body on the line. He has gone through his fair share of nasty injuries and the near death embulism which would explain his deterioration over time, he still came back and tried to buy the younger rucks some time. Troy is a good team and club man and deserves a send off, it is obvious the younger fellas look up to the old warhorse, I hope people can give the man a bit of respect. He is going to help out in a coaching role beyond this game which must speak volumes for his dedication to the club.
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Don't agree with it.
Send off games are for for players that give a decade of service with distinction. In Troys case sounds awful like I can't get back into the side so I'll just throw the towel in and lucky me I get a charity game. I don't like it.
If we're giving servants of the club of 90 games, no finals appearances, only top 3 B&F finish in a 6 year span farewell games, it's a precedence for a circus.
We're all getting a bit to defensive here. Got no problem with earning your way back into the side and retire with a bit of class. Not at the expense of dropping someone who was apart of our first success structure in 9 months. It's not fair on them and the greats that genuinely deserved a send off ie Knights, Richardson etc.
Would anyone agree that Kane Johnson have come back into the side last year and limped around the MCG for a farewell game? No so why are we happy for Troy to do it? Whats the point anyway? You can't argue it's completely selfish on Troys behave? Decided to retire last week after Round 8 only to play 1 more game in Round 10 as a last hurrah? Hurrah for what?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Instead of bashing the opinion please explain what the point of this farewell is actually for? A celebration is the best I come up with. But if you celebrate Troys career you'd celebrate 90% of the AFL lists career and that's farcical. Most were happy to see Brown, Coughlan, Richardson etc left off this years list to further development, yet pushing out a player that will be playing for his career is counter intuitive to that?
Make no sense to me. Feel free to explain it.
I think you've made your point
It's still wrong, but we get it seriously
What is wrong? My point or the farewell game?
Your point is wrong, he absolutely deserves a farewell game
He's one of the longest serving players at the club and is in the leadership group. He's represented Victoria while playing for us and was a contender for AA selection the previous season. He also almost died while on our list and it is amazing that he was able to come back to play AFL for us after that.
Probably the only issue I have with the farewell game is the timing, I don't think anyone deserves to get dropped this week. However he'll only replace Polak who didn't do that much on the weekend so at the end of the day it's not a massive issue.
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TA its a dumb question that's why I didn't answer it.
Well if that's the case, a dumb thread deserves a dumb question. :-*
Nobody told me Simmonds asked for it, we all know he agreed to it. The decision to have a farewell match is the problem, regardless if it was Troy, the club, the playing group or Zeus calling for it to happen.
You were the one saying he asked for a farewell game, so I'm glad to see you have backtracked to the reality of the situation.
Every player gives for there club, every player gives time outside of football to others. Andrew Raines was a big one giving countless hours to the homeless and disabled. Troy is no different to any other player.
I've said enough, I don't agree with it and feel very very sorry for a David Astbury or Graham Polak who'll make way for this circus.
It's not outside of football that's any relevance, it's to the club itself. Being if not the most then near the highest regarded person at the Richmond Football Club means Simmo has contributed more to our sporting club than I know and you know and I suggest that if the players see him as a leader worthy of being sent off with a farewell game then we respect their call and get over the fact it's one game, which Polak should make way for as he was just average last week.
The only circus is the one made by you in this thread.
Troy Simmonds the highest regarded person at RFC? You can't be serious?..
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Infamy fair enough our opinions are different. I've said enough of it.
My main point was the timing of it, maybe I didn't get it across properly. I'm all for a farewell game when there are holes in the side where Simmonds can take without someone deservedly or in development is forced to play at Coburg. This is the worst week to have it.
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TA its a dumb question that's why I didn't answer it.
Well if that's the case, a dumb thread deserves a dumb question. :-*
Nobody told me Simmonds asked for it, we all know he agreed to it. The decision to have a farewell match is the problem, regardless if it was Troy, the club, the playing group or Zeus calling for it to happen.
You were the one saying he asked for a farewell game, so I'm glad to see you have backtracked to the reality of the situation.
Every player gives for there club, every player gives time outside of football to others. Andrew Raines was a big one giving countless hours to the homeless and disabled. Troy is no different to any other player.
I've said enough, I don't agree with it and feel very very sorry for a David Astbury or Graham Polak who'll make way for this circus.
It's not outside of football that's any relevance, it's to the club itself. Being if not the most then near the highest regarded person at the Richmond Football Club means Simmo has contributed more to our sporting club than I know and you know and I suggest that if the players see him as a leader worthy of being sent off with a farewell game then we respect their call and get over the fact it's one game, which Polak should make way for as he was just average last week.
The only circus is the one made by you in this thread.
Troy Simmonds the highest regarded person at RFC? You can't be serious?..
My mistake, should have read "near the highest regarded player at the Richmond football club."
And yes, I am absolutely serious about that.
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So in 5 years at the club Troy Simmonds has done more behind the doors than Kane Johnson, Darren Gasper, Andrew Kellaway, Rory Hilton and Matthew Richardson have done in their careers? Did Greg Tivendale even have a farewell match? I fact I think he might have, and rightly so.
I'm not against Troy being fare welled. Everyone deserves to say goodbye, its the way its been allowed. Unless you've played 150+ games for the club, with form struggling and the game beyond you, you can't put your hand up and ask for a charity goodbye game. IE Tyson Edwards, and even that doesn't look good.
If we lost against Port last week it wouldn't have been an issue. The 22 that won last week 100% deserve there spot unless a player warrants their selection back ie a Foley, Jackson even Post after his 4 goal haul. Not a player that's post 30, in horrible form and struggling with fitness that wants 1 last hurrah match.
Troy isn't in the best 22 as it stands, why are we moving away from our vision of uncompromisable competitiveness. Picking a player that is probably only just fits in our best 30 at the moment is counter-intuitive to our development which is what this year is all about.
Yes Greg Tivendale did get a farewell game.
any player deserves a farewell game no matter how long he served the club. It's to celebrate a players career.
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My main point was the timing of it, maybe I didn't get it across properly. I'm all for a farewell game when there are holes in the side where Simmonds can take without someone deservedly or in development is forced to play at Coburg. This is the worst week to have it.
I understand the timing, you would think that the West Coast match would be a better farewell match
Not only is it a better chance at a win, but it also is at the G and right before the break week
Perhaps they know that Round 12 will mean a lot more Ins from Jackson, Connors and perhaps Gourdis so didn't want to add one more change.
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So in 5 years at the club Troy Simmonds has done more behind the doors than Kane Johnson, Darren Gasper, Andrew Kellaway, Rory Hilton and Matthew Richardson have done in their careers? Did Greg Tivendale even have a farewell match? I fact I think he might have, and rightly so.
I'm not against Troy being fare welled. Everyone deserves to say goodbye, its the way its been allowed. Unless you've played 150+ games for the club, with form struggling and the game beyond you, you can't put your hand up and ask for a charity goodbye game. IE Tyson Edwards, and even that doesn't look good.
If we lost against Port last week it wouldn't have been an issue. The 22 that won last week 100% deserve there spot unless a player warrants their selection back ie a Foley, Jackson even Post after his 4 goal haul. Not a player that's post 30, in horrible form and struggling with fitness that wants 1 last hurrah match.
Troy isn't in the best 22 as it stands, why are we moving away from our vision of uncompromisable competitiveness. Picking a player that is probably only just fits in our best 30 at the moment is counter-intuitive to our development which is what this year is all about.
Yes Greg Tivendale did get a farewell game.
any player deserves a farewell game no matter how long he served the club. It's to celebrate a players career.
Thats a great idea Monk.
With around a 7,200 players going around when 18 teams are in the competition. Lets eventually give all of them farewell games. That makes sense.
Tiver deserved it, was 1 season shy of 200 games, I'm glad he got one.
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My main point was the timing of it, maybe I didn't get it across properly. I'm all for a farewell game when there are holes in the side where Simmonds can take without someone deservedly or in development is forced to play at Coburg. This is the worst week to have it.
I understand the timing, you would think that the West Coast match would be a better farewell match
Not only is it a better chance at a win, but it also is at the G and right before the break week
Perhaps they know that Round 12 will mean a lot more Ins from Jackson, Connors and perhaps Gourdis so didn't want to add one more change.
Yep agree.
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So in 5 years at the club Troy Simmonds has done more behind the doors than Kane Johnson, Darren Gasper, Andrew Kellaway, Rory Hilton and Matthew Richardson have done in their careers? Did Greg Tivendale even have a farewell match? I fact I think he might have, and rightly so.
I'm not against Troy being fare welled. Everyone deserves to say goodbye, its the way its been allowed. Unless you've played 150+ games for the club, with form struggling and the game beyond you, you can't put your hand up and ask for a charity goodbye game. IE Tyson Edwards, and even that doesn't look good.
If we lost against Port last week it wouldn't have been an issue. The 22 that won last week 100% deserve there spot unless a player warrants their selection back ie a Foley, Jackson even Post after his 4 goal haul. Not a player that's post 30, in horrible form and struggling with fitness that wants 1 last hurrah match.
Troy isn't in the best 22 as it stands, why are we moving away from our vision of uncompromisable competitiveness. Picking a player that is probably only just fits in our best 30 at the moment is counter-intuitive to our development which is what this year is all about.
Yes Greg Tivendale did get a farewell game.
any player deserves a farewell game no matter how long he served the club. It's to celebrate a players career.
Thats a great idea Monk.
With around a 7,200 players going around when 18 teams are in the competition. Lets eventually give all of them farewell games. That makes sense.
Tiver deserved it, was 1 season shy of 200 games, I'm glad he got one.
You know it dont happen like that so stop being a Preacher :shh
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So in 5 years at the club Troy Simmonds has done more behind the doors than Kane Johnson, Darren Gasper, Andrew Kellaway, Rory Hilton and Matthew Richardson have done in their careers? Did Greg Tivendale even have a farewell match? I fact I think he might have, and rightly so.
I'm not against Troy being fare welled. Everyone deserves to say goodbye, its the way its been allowed. Unless you've played 150+ games for the club, with form struggling and the game beyond you, you can't put your hand up and ask for a charity goodbye game. IE Tyson Edwards, and even that doesn't look good.
If we lost against Port last week it wouldn't have been an issue. The 22 that won last week 100% deserve there spot unless a player warrants their selection back ie a Foley, Jackson even Post after his 4 goal haul. Not a player that's post 30, in horrible form and struggling with fitness that wants 1 last hurrah match.
Troy isn't in the best 22 as it stands, why are we moving away from our vision of uncompromisable competitiveness. Picking a player that is probably only just fits in our best 30 at the moment is counter-intuitive to our development which is what this year is all about.
Yes Greg Tivendale did get a farewell game.
any player deserves a farewell game no matter how long he served the club. It's to celebrate a players career.
Thats a great idea Monk.
With around a 7,200 players going around when 18 teams are in the competition. Lets eventually give all of them farewell games. That makes sense.
Tiver deserved it, was 1 season shy of 200 games, I'm glad he got one.
720 AFL players. There's only around 46 players per list ;).
Simmo has had a lengthy career and has been at Punt Rd longer than just 5 minutes. 6 years of which he'll seem like part of the furniture to most of our young list. Only Newy, Jacko, Tucky, Kel and Axel have been at Richmond longer and most of those only a year or so longer.
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Reading between the lines I think there is a little bit more to it than just Troy Simmonds farewell. Hardwick mentioned on Monday night that it was more about what we wanted to stand for as a football club - acknowledging a player's effort and input into the game over their whole career and it didn't particularly matter that this was not all at our club. Culture change and dynasty building happens in a thousand different ways, not all of them significant or necessarily noticeable. I think this might be one of those 'little' things that collectively do make for a quantum shift in atmosphere around, and culture at, a club. After all, we are all discussing the reasons that Dustin Martin might want to stay at our club rather than go to GWS for more money - here is one of the little things that make our club more attractive to stay at. Even in this modern corporate football world, do not underestimate the power and value of esprit de corp.
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Reading between the lines I think there is a little bit more to it than just Troy Simmonds farewell. Hardwick mentioned on Monday night that it was more about what we wanted to stand for as a football club - acknowledging a player's effort and input into the game over their whole career and it didn't particularly matter that this was not all at our club. Culture change and dynasty building happens in a thousand different ways, not all of them significant or necessarily noticeable. I think this might be one of those 'little' things that collectively do make for a quantum shift in atmosphere around, and culture at, a club. After all, we are all discussing the reasons that Dustin Martin might want to stay at our club rather than go to GWS for more money - here is one of the little things that make our club more attractive to stay at. Even in this modern corporate football world, do not underestimate the power and value of esprit de corp.
Agree there Smokey :thumbsup
Can tell you first hand the sacking of Gaspar and Kellaway was a badly handled
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Reading between the lines I think there is a little bit more to it than just Troy Simmonds farewell. Hardwick mentioned on Monday night that it was more about what we wanted to stand for as a football club - acknowledging a player's effort and input into the game over their whole career and it didn't particularly matter that this was not all at our club. Culture change and dynasty building happens in a thousand different ways, not all of them significant or necessarily noticeable. I think this might be one of those 'little' things that collectively do make for a quantum shift in atmosphere around, and culture at, a club. After all, we are all discussing the reasons that Dustin Martin might want to stay at our club rather than go to GWS for more money - here is one of the little things that make our club more attractive to stay at. Even in this modern corporate football world, do not underestimate the power and value of esprit de corp.
Agree there Smokey :thumbsup
Can tell you first hand the sacking of Gaspar and Kellaway was a badly handled
Given they both wanted to play on and Simmonds didn't, the situation is a little different
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Reading between the lines I think there is a little bit more to it than just Troy Simmonds farewell. Hardwick mentioned on Monday night that it was more about what we wanted to stand for as a football club - acknowledging a player's effort and input into the game over their whole career and it didn't particularly matter that this was not all at our club. Culture change and dynasty building happens in a thousand different ways, not all of them significant or necessarily noticeable. I think this might be one of those 'little' things that collectively do make for a quantum shift in atmosphere around, and culture at, a club. After all, we are all discussing the reasons that Dustin Martin might want to stay at our club rather than go to GWS for more money - here is one of the little things that make our club more attractive to stay at. Even in this modern corporate football world, do not underestimate the power and value of esprit de corp.
Good call, esprit de corp, sounds a bit French Foreign Legion, (I hope they didn't use their punishment regimen though.....like licking the skiddies out of ya undies lol .... :P )
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So in 5 years at the club Troy Simmonds has done more behind the doors than Kane Johnson, Darren Gasper, Andrew Kellaway, Rory Hilton and Matthew Richardson have done in their careers? Did Greg Tivendale even have a farewell match? I fact I think he might have, and rightly so.
I'm not against Troy being fare welled. Everyone deserves to say goodbye, its the way its been allowed. Unless you've played 150+ games for the club, with form struggling and the game beyond you, you can't put your hand up and ask for a charity goodbye game. IE Tyson Edwards, and even that doesn't look good.
If we lost against Port last week it wouldn't have been an issue. The 22 that won last week 100% deserve there spot unless a player warrants their selection back ie a Foley, Jackson even Post after his 4 goal haul. Not a player that's post 30, in horrible form and struggling with fitness that wants 1 last hurrah match.
Troy isn't in the best 22 as it stands, why are we moving away from our vision of uncompromisable competitiveness. Picking a player that is probably only just fits in our best 30 at the moment is counter-intuitive to our development which is what this year is all about.
Yes Greg Tivendale did get a farewell game.
any player deserves a farewell game no matter how long he served the club. It's to celebrate a players career.
Thats a great idea Monk.
With around a 7,200 players going around when 18 teams are in the competition. Lets eventually give all of them farewell games. That makes sense.
Tiver deserved it, was 1 season shy of 200 games, I'm glad he got one.
720 AFL players. There's only around 46 players per list ;).
Simmo has had a lengthy career and has been at Punt Rd longer than just 5 minutes. 6 years of which he'll seem like part of the furniture to most of our young list. Only Newy, Jacko, Tucky, Kel and Axel have been at Richmond longer and most of those only a year or so longer.
Lol 1 to many 0's.
I can understand the meaning of the game, have no problems with Troy having a farewell game, and our mistakes in the past with players being handled badly are hopefully behind us. This is evident of that. I just would have liked to have seen the farewell game happen when it suited the list most.
We've just had our first win and the whole group deserve to keep pushing to keep there spot and the players in the VFL performing well keep pushing for selection and take precedence. It is just 1 game but I would have rathered it in a week after an Essendon like performance where Troys inclusion would be warranted with some players dropping in form.
We say now that Polak will make way. What if he can't get back into the side? His career will be over at the expense of making way for a charity event. Where as if he stayed who knows how different his year would be. Someone like Post has been struggling for a long time lacking confidence and has a day out and rightly should be first picked to get back into the side. But now that wont be the case. Morton played well and would feel a bit cheated that he's performance now means nothing cause of Troys inclusion precedence.
My argument was that I find it hard for a 90 game player like Troy is taken precedence over our future albeit for one game. It would make sense to me if the guy had played 150+ games for the club.
Regardless hope we have a good game. :gotigers
At the end of the day it's not a huge issue. It could have been done better that's all.
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Reading between the lines I think there is a little bit more to it than just Troy Simmonds farewell. Hardwick mentioned on Monday night that it was more about what we wanted to stand for as a football club - acknowledging a player's effort and input into the game over their whole career and it didn't particularly matter that this was not all at our club. Culture change and dynasty building happens in a thousand different ways, not all of them significant or necessarily noticeable. I think this might be one of those 'little' things that collectively do make for a quantum shift in atmosphere around, and culture at, a club. After all, we are all discussing the reasons that Dustin Martin might want to stay at our club rather than go to GWS for more money - here is one of the little things that make our club more attractive to stay at. Even in this modern corporate football world, do not underestimate the power and value of esprit de corp.
100% understand that I'm just slightly concerned its taken precedence to our direction thats all.
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Reading between the lines I think there is a little bit more to it than just Troy Simmonds farewell. Hardwick mentioned on Monday night that it was more about what we wanted to stand for as a football club - acknowledging a player's effort and input into the game over their whole career and it didn't particularly matter that this was not all at our club. Culture change and dynasty building happens in a thousand different ways, not all of them significant or necessarily noticeable. I think this might be one of those 'little' things that collectively do make for a quantum shift in atmosphere around, and culture at, a club. After all, we are all discussing the reasons that Dustin Martin might want to stay at our club rather than go to GWS for more money - here is one of the little things that make our club more attractive to stay at. Even in this modern corporate football world, do not underestimate the power and value of esprit de corp.
100% understand that I'm just slightly concerned its taken precedence to our direction thats all.
I think you are being told that it is at the core of the direction we want to take as a club.
:thumbsup
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I think Smokey's position is very well put
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So in 5 years at the club Troy Simmonds has done more behind the doors than Kane Johnson, Darren Gasper, Andrew Kellaway, Rory Hilton and Matthew Richardson have done in their careers? Did Greg Tivendale even have a farewell match? I fact I think he might have, and rightly so.
I'm not against Troy being fare welled. Everyone deserves to say goodbye, its the way its been allowed. Unless you've played 150+ games for the club, with form struggling and the game beyond you, you can't put your hand up and ask for a charity goodbye game. IE Tyson Edwards, and even that doesn't look good.
If we lost against Port last week it wouldn't have been an issue. The 22 that won last week 100% deserve there spot unless a player warrants their selection back ie a Foley, Jackson even Post after his 4 goal haul. Not a player that's post 30, in horrible form and struggling with fitness that wants 1 last hurrah match.
Troy isn't in the best 22 as it stands, why are we moving away from our vision of uncompromisable competitiveness. Picking a player that is probably only just fits in our best 30 at the moment is counter-intuitive to our development which is what this year is all about.
Yes Greg Tivendale did get a farewell game.
any player deserves a farewell game no matter how long he served the club. It's to celebrate a players career.
Thats a great idea Monk.
With around a 7,200 players going around when 18 teams are in the competition. Lets eventually give all of them farewell games. That makes sense.
Tiver deserved it, was 1 season shy of 200 games, I'm glad he got one.
720 AFL players. There's only around 46 players per list ;).
Simmo has had a lengthy career and has been at Punt Rd longer than just 5 minutes. 6 years of which he'll seem like part of the furniture to most of our young list. Only Newy, Jacko, Tucky, Kel and Axel have been at Richmond longer and most of those only a year or so longer.
Lol 1 to many 0's.
I can understand the meaning of the game, have no problems with Troy having a farewell game, and our mistakes in the past with players being handled badly are hopefully behind us. This is evident of that. I just would have liked to have seen the farewell game happen when it suited the list most.
We've just had our first win and the whole group deserve to keep pushing to keep there spot and the players in the VFL performing well keep pushing for selection and take precedence. It is just 1 game but I would have rathered it in a week after an Essendon like performance where Troys inclusion would be warranted with some players dropping in form.
We say now that Polak will make way. What if he can't get back into the side? His career will be over at the expense of making way for a charity event. Where as if he stayed who knows how different his year would be. Someone like Post has been struggling for a long time lacking confidence and has a day out and rightly should be first picked to get back into the side. But now that wont be the case. Morton played well and would feel a bit cheated that he's performance now means nothing cause of Troys inclusion precedence.
My argument was that I find it hard for a 90 game player like Troy is taken precedence over our future albeit for one game. It would make sense to me if the guy had played 150+ games for the club.
Regardless hope we have a good game. :gotigers
At the end of the day it's not a huge issue. It could have been done better that's all.
Morts will have to show more than one good game at Coburg to get back into the Richmond side. He's gone back to the VFL to work on the defensive side of his game. So the 4 goals will mean little if his defensive efforts were ordinary. Hopefully the defensive side of his game is improving as Hardwick said Morts is still part of his plans.
As for Polly, I don't believe he'll survive the chop this year whether he plays for Richmond or Coburg. Once Griffiths and another young KPP take a more permanent role then Polly won't be required.
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Reading between the lines I think there is a little bit more to it than just Troy Simmonds farewell. Hardwick mentioned on Monday night that it was more about what we wanted to stand for as a football club - acknowledging a player's effort and input into the game over their whole career and it didn't particularly matter that this was not all at our club. Culture change and dynasty building happens in a thousand different ways, not all of them significant or necessarily noticeable. I think this might be one of those 'little' things that collectively do make for a quantum shift in atmosphere around, and culture at, a club. After all, we are all discussing the reasons that Dustin Martin might want to stay at our club rather than go to GWS for more money - here is one of the little things that make our club more attractive to stay at. Even in this modern corporate football world, do not underestimate the power and value of esprit de corp.
100% understand that I'm just slightly concerned its taken precedence to our direction thats all.
I think you are being told that it is at the core of the direction we want to take as a club.
:thumbsup
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That makes no sense. Core of what?
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I think you are being told that it is at the core of the direction we want to take as a club.
:thumbsup
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That makes no sense. Core of what?
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Simmonds' send-off to lift Tigers
SAM LIENERT
June 3, 2010 - 12:14PM
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says Friday night's match against St Kilda will mark an emotional AFL farewell for veteran ruckman Troy Simmonds.
The 31-year-old is retiring after what will be 197 matches with Melbourne, Fremantle and Richmond and Hardwick said the players were keen to send him off with victory.
"It's always an emotional occasion when a guy finishes up after close to 200 games," Hardwick said.
"Troy's very well regarded, very well respected in our footy club so hopefully he can go off with a win.
"He's in our leadership group, he's been terrific in my short time here, but he's very popular amongst our playing group, so we hope we give him the right result." Hardwick said the Tigers would enter the match with confidence, after last weekend's big win over Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium, their first of the season.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/simmonds-sendoff-to-lift-tigers-20100603-x1j6.html
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Can tell you that he is extremely nervous.
His knee is completely had it.
Wants to go out having a good game :gotigers
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Can tell you that he is extremely nervous.
His knee is completely had it.
Wants to go out having a good game :gotigers
then stick him a FF I reckon with the odd go in the ruck. That would be better than watching him struggle around the ground
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I think giving Simmonds a send off game is rubbish!
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What an effin useless exercise that was.!!!
He could of atleast stretchered Milne and then it would of been worth it.
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never been one to throw his considerable weight around, too nice a guy to finish anywhere but...
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Has signed with Montrose in the EFL 2nd Div for unconfirmed 3K a game - big pickup @ that level. Glad I don't have to play against him ;D