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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 10 FLAGS on March 25, 2011, 12:02:10 AM
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Blair Hartley supposedly spent months investigating other club lists and in the end we had 3 target, Houli Grigg and Sherman. My question is why did we recruit Houli or Grigg? What purpose does it serve? Cant see any real benefits in it although I know that people will say that Houli came for free.
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Yes, must go back and check all those posts about Houli's elite kicking skills.
Twice in a row (think early in the last) he had two passes under no pressure and turned over both with shocking kicks into the forward line.
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Why did we recruit them?
Well it was either Houli or some kid that wasn't picked up in the best 80 kids in the country.
Grigg is ten times better than Collins.
Pretty common sense I would have thought.
You can't just sit back and hope draft picks will eventually turn you list over and win you a flag. Ask St.Kilda and Carlton how their trophy cabinets are going.
I rate both of these guys, Grigg made a few mistakes but was loads better than Deledio tonight.
Houli was one of our best in the 3rd qtr when we came back.
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The Grigg trade was a sideways one - we replace a light bodied yet skillful player who would find the ball spasmodically with a solid-bodied ballwinner with a dodgy kick. Nothing I saw tonight was unexpected. I guess the criticism will be why did we recruit Grigg when one of our mantras is you've got to be a good kick.
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I actually really liked Griggs game. 2 turnovers hurt, mind you Cotchin turned the ball over twice, Grigg was under the microscope being a new player and rightly so.
Also remember it's his first game apart of our game plan and also Round 1 of the year and also against his old mob. Can't be too critical of the trade after 1 game.
Grigg was one of the Blues better players and a fit Collins couldn't get into a Carlton side that was missing a few players. The trade is a small win but a win none the less.
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grigg and houli are not our problem
having no decent ruckman was
having no decent big defender was
playing that hack foley was, i dont buy the bs he was sick, if he was that sick he shouldnt have played
foley cost us
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grigg and houli are not our problem
having no decent ruckman was
having no decent big defender was
playing that hack foley was, i dont buy the bs he was sick, if he was that sick he shouldnt have played
foley cost us
You make a good point about if he was too sick he shouldn't have played.
He didn't seem to be limping though
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we need more soldiers - was a sound list management decision for mine. They'll both get better than tonight
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playing that hack foley was, i dont buy the bs he was sick, if he was that sick he shouldnt have played
foley cost us
You may not buy that he was sick, but Hardwick just admitted in the press conference that he made a mistake pushing him to play as it turned out the gastro got the better of him and he had to be subbed out. He never planned on subbing off Foley but had to.
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Sorry Ramps but this is a dumb, premature thread.
I would think it is just common sense that new recruits would need more than one game to gel with their new team.
Lets see how they are going mid season.
Grigg and Houli not our worst tonight by any stretch.
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Houli played okay, showed abit against Carlton Jury still out on Grigg but in Grigg's defence he did get a bit of the ball. With Grigg his possessions need to be more damaging. Having said agree too early to judge these players. They certainly weren't the worst players out there against Carlton.
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grigg and houli are not our problem
having no decent ruckman was
having no decent big defender was
playing that hack foley was, i dont buy the bs he was sick, if he was that sick he shouldnt have played
foley cost us
Gus was the Gus we've come to expect - very poor in places (head dropped a few too many times IMHO), a few good patches but still unable to read the play and get back to cover the hole deep in the oppositions F50 ;D
Foley was sick and Dimma has admitted he shouldn't have played and that he (DImma) made the mistake in playing him
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Agree this might be a bit premature, a bit like that poster, can't remember his name, that wanted to trade Jack Riewoldt... ;D
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Grigg (23 touches) and Houli (18 touches) were both good in what they offered. Why recruit Grigg, simple answer is Tuck can not play until he is 40. Grigg offers everything Tucky does, and adds more speed and better kicking. Houli found some nice space and set up a few goals in that 3rd term. I can definitely see why they were both picked up.
For the record, as much as I liked Collins, he had his flaws. Grigg is an upgrade.
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I thought Grigg was good bar his kicking and Houli was good in the 2nd half
I like the way Houli plays doesn't shirk a contect. Grigg is quicker than I thought, decision making appeared sound, execution was the problem
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Bump. ;)
Most disposals in 2011
1) Deledio 306
2) Cotchin 290
3) Martin 287
4) Grigg 278
5) Houli 261
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both players have made a contribution Grigg early and Houli just lately. Possessions is not what should count at this stage in making conclusions, its the impact of possessions Houli's possessions are starting to hurt opposition teams whilst at the moment Grigg is a little of the boil in terms of impacting the opposition IMHO
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We needed skillfull left-footers. Simple as that. They're both great addition IMO
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We needed skillfull left-footers. Simple as that. They're both great addition IMO
Would argue that Grigg's kicking isn't his greatest asset.
Certainly wouldn't call him a "skillful left footer"
His disposal the last 4 or games has been terrible
Last night was an improvement but he still butchers too many for my liking
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Both are doing their job, Houli in particular has impressed the hell out of me.
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Yeah agree with Owl.
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Bump. ;)
Most disposals in 2011
1) Deledio 306
2) Cotchin 290
3) Martin 287
4) Grigg 278
5) Houli 261
And they said the bump was dead :thumbsup
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We needed skillfull left-footers. Simple as that. They're both great addition IMO
Would argue that Grigg's kicking isn't his greatest asset.
Certainly wouldn't call him a "skillful left footer"
His disposal the last 4 or games has been terrible
Last night was an improvement but he still butchers too many for my liking
Grigg's disposal efficiency is 73.02%.
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We needed skillfull left-footers. Simple as that. They're both great addition IMO
Would argue that Grigg's kicking isn't his greatest asset.
Certainly wouldn't call him a "skillful left footer"
His disposal the last 4 or games has been terrible
Last night was an improvement but he still butchers too many for my liking
Grigg's disposal efficiency is 73.02%.
Thats because most of griggs kicks are 'safe' short kicks unless he is roosting them deep into the forward line. He is not a good kick but the good thing is he appears to know his limitations.
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We recruited Houli and Grigg to improve our side AND THEY HAVE DONE EXACTLY THAT.
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We recruited Houli and Grigg to improve our side AND THEY HAVE DONE EXACTLY THAT.
Yep, one a bit more than the other but both are good young players that have done exactly as you say.
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agree with owl
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Bump!
This isnt necessarily about the players in question but if Richmond is to get better we need to recruit better. Houli and Grigg are in the words of the late great Jack Dyer 'Good Ordinary Players' and thats it. Houli has become ineffective since clubs worked out that if you put someone on him you can decimate his output, whilst Grigg hasnt fired a shot for a fair while now.
Its not about the players in question, its about the type of player we are recruiting. I think Blair Hartley needs to do better, much better and if the rumours about Jackson Trengove from Port coming to RFC are true then its not gonna get much better IMHO.
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Bump!
This isnt necessarily about the players in question but if Richmond is to get better we need to recruit better. Houli and Grigg are in the words of the late great Jack Dyer 'Good Ordinary Players' and thats it. Houli has become ineffective since clubs worked out that if you put someone on him you can decimate his output, whilst Grigg hasnt fired a shot for a fair while now.
Its not about the players in question, its about the type of player we are recruiting. I think Blair Hartley needs to do better, much better and if the rumours about Jackson Trengove from Port coming to RFC are true then its not gonna get much better IMHO.
I'm happy with Bacher and Griggs - at first I was unsure but have now seen enough to say that they can be part of our 22.
However, we can't build a side around them which means that they are going to struggle from time to time.
Yesterday was a good example.
Griggs needs a spell, he has ben struggling but if he cops it on the chin, works hard in the 2s and comes back - it's actually a positive.
It's when they get played no matter what when promised a regular spot that would concern me.
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Bump!
This isnt necessarily about the players in question but if Richmond is to get better we need to recruit better. Houli and Grigg are in the words of the late great Jack Dyer 'Good Ordinary Players' and thats it. Houli has become ineffective since clubs worked out that if you put someone on him you can decimate his output, whilst Grigg hasnt fired a shot for a fair while now.
Its not about the players in question, its about the type of player we are recruiting. I think Blair Hartley needs to do better, much better and if the rumours about Jackson Trengove from Port coming to RFC are true then its not gonna get much better IMHO.
I have have disagree here, Houli and Grigg are both in our best 22 and they cost us next to nothing. While Grigg is going through a form slump atm he has shown his best is good better than Collins by a mile, Houli on the other hand has been solid all year he has provided good run off half back and his kicking would be top 5 at the club.
If we were to recruit Jackson Trengove he would instantly become our best tall defender something we are crying out for!! He is a kid who has only been in the system for 2 seasons he has a cool head, show's composure, is a good kick and is already in Ports leadership group. I'm not sure what other type of player you want us to recruit??
We are basically re building the list from scratch we still have a way to go but in a period of compromised drafts we havn't done a bad job.....
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i reckon grigg has just been going since a high point earlier on in the seaon...I liked MM midifeld form of 2010 a whole lot more but thats another story. Houli played his first ordinary one for a while, Grigg needs a rocket