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Tigers want bit of Jonny magic
29 January 2005
Herald Sun
By Jon Pierik
A CRASH course in the art of kicking from legendary England rugby mentor Dave Alred and the return of Coleman medallist Brian Taylor will leave Richmond with little excuse for wayward shots at goal this year.
Alred, the goalkicking mentor of England's World Cup hero Jonny Wilkinson, spoke to the Tigers before training yesterday as part of a four-day trip to Australia which also included an AFL coaches conference last night.
While there are obvious differences between the sports, Alred, a good friend of Tigers assistant coach David Wheadon, says there was much both codes could learn from each other.
And the new-look Tigers are keen for any help, having been only 10th best (57.3 per cent) in the AFL for accuracy when shooting at goal last season.
"Some of the things I have learnt can be carried through to Aussie rules in terms of the kicking for goal, albeit rugby goalkicking is off the floor and Aussie rules is obviously from the hand," Alred said. "There are some things that are very similar, in terms of aiming and performing in a pressurised environment."
Wilkinson's dead-eye kicking in the last World Cup in Australia was a major reason England returned home victorious.
Alred, who has also worked with former Wallabies David Campese and Matt Burke, feels their AFL counterparts could learn something from Wilkinson when lining up for the big sticks.
"The first thing I think is to pick the smallest possible target, to take dead-aim and really try and look for the middle of the middle," he said.
"If you try and hit a barn door a thousand times out of a thousand, always aim for the keyhole.
"The other area is the tempo and rhythm in which you kick. You don't go charging at it with a goal kick.
"It might be a reasonably long shot but you need to have rhythm, control and balance – there are similarities there.
"That's probably as far as we have got, although we have looked at posture together."
Taylor, the former Tigers forward between 1980-84 who later kicked 100 goals for Collingwood in 1986, will attend one training session a week in his new role under Terry Wallace's command.
The Tigers slogged it out in extreme heat at Punt Rd yesterday as Wallace put his men through repeated spells of end-to-end work.
Richmond will hold its pre-season camp in Mildura from Tuesday.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,12079402%255E20322,00.html
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Richo to bring back the place-kick :o ;)
Was BT a specialist coach at the doggies when Wallace was there?
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B.T. was there when Rhode coached, dont know about when Wallace was there
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Was BT a specialist coach at the doggies when Wallace was there?
I am pretty sure BT did some work at the doggies in Tezza final year there and also with Wallace.
Smart move by Tezza
While there are obvious differences between the sports, Alred, a good friend of Tigers assistant coach David Wheadon, says there was much both codes could learn from each other.
And hasn't Dave Wheadon got some good connections ;)
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Brian barges back to Tigerland
11:19:14 AM Tue 1 February, 2005
Tony Greenberg
Two decades after leaving Richmond as a player, Brian Taylor has returned to Tigerland as a specialist coach.
Taylor, who kicked 527 goals in 140 games during an illustrious career with the Tigers from 1980-84, and then Collingwood from 1985-90, is back at Punt Road helping senior coach Terry Wallace formulate a potent forward set-up.
“We needed someone to develop a structure in our forward line and to show our forwards the best way to lead and use their bodies, etc., and Brian fitted the bill ideally . . .” Wallace said.
“BT had a fine career as a full-forward in league football, he has a really sound knowledge of the game, and he’s stayed involved over the years with his media work. He’s certainly a valuable acquisition to our coaching team.”
Wallace used Taylor in a similar capacity during his coaching stint with the Western Bulldogs and was most impressed with the former spearhead star’s output.
“He first came to my attention when he was coaching at Carey Grammar and the raps on him there were pretty big,” Wallace said.
“I got him to come along and help out with the Bulldogs’ forward, and I thought he did a very good job there.
“So, with his Tiger connection we thought it’d be terrific to get him back here . . . We’re always looking for Richmond people to get involved with us if they’re suited to a particular role, as with Brian and Merv Keane, who recently returned to the Club as a member of our football sub-committee.”
Taylor, who kicked 156 goals in 43 senior games for Richmond and still holds the Club record of 15 goals (out of 22), scored in a reserves match against North Melbourne in 1981, was particularly keen to renew his association wit the Tigers.
“He’s giving up his time for us on a voluntary basis with one training session per week to help out with our forward structure, which is great,” Wallace said.
“We feel we’ve got the goalkicking area covered off with Dave Wheadon and Brian Royal, our skills coaches. But BT adds another important dimension to our coaching panel with his all-round forward-line expertise.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=183804
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Great to have BT as well as Merv Keane back involved at Tigerland. Good luck with Richo's goalkicking BT ;D.
This voluntary thing in footy is becoming trendy.
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Good luck with Richo's goalkicking BT ;D.
Richo's problem is that he does not keep his shoulders and hips square with the target. He starts off OK! and after a few steps takes a swerve to the right and as a consequence he is kicking across his body at the time of impact making for a poor follow throughl
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Agree Mopsy that's why he hooks his kicks. He also drops instead of guides the footy onto his boot.
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If BT tries to help Richo with his kicking then good luck. ;D
Many have tried including Peter Hudson and Michael Roach.
Maybe he would have been better left to kick his way. Hudson and Doug Wade had ordinary kicking styles with great accuracy.
Richo was an ordinary kick for goal from day 1 but at least he probably would have felt comfortable with his style. I think he looks uncomfortable now taking set shots.
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At 29 years of age it's too late you would reckon for Richo to change.
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At 29 years of age it's too late you would reckon for Richo to change.
If indications are correct and Richo is to play further up field and not in the goalsquare as Frawley had him, playing set shots are not going to be at the premium that they were so long as he is prepared to deliver the ball further into the Goalsquare for the likes of Simmonds or Stafford to handle.
It has long been my personal opinion that Richo should have been been playing at C.H.B. for with his natural pace he would be the ideal springboard into attack.
While on the subject of forwards I could never fathom out why last season when Richo was out and Shultz played full forward and starred against Brisbane the very next week Richo goes back into the goalsquare and Shultz goes out to C.H.F. with negative result. (dumb coaching I guess)
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Yeah I've always liked the idea of Richo playing further upfield too even spurts in the midfield a la like Hird. His field kicking is pretty good IMO. The only question mark on Richo playing CHB IMO is not sure how accountable he would've been. Hard to tell as he has always played up forward or on a HFF. At times through his career he hasn't been big on second efforts although last year he was pretty good in that area.
While on the subject of forwards I could never fathom out why last season when Richo was out and Shultz played full forward and starred against Brisbane the very next week Richo goes back into the goalsquare and Shultz goes out to C.H.F. with negative result. (dumb coaching I guess)
When Richo is out the guys upfield were forced to look for other options to pass to and the substitute forward know they have to present because the big fella ain't there. We weren't predictable so Sarge was able to get one out on Michael or Leppitsch. We actually played direct modern footy that night against Brissy even under Spud :o. When Richo came back the following we went back to bombing it aimlessly towards him even if he has six opponents around him as happened one time last year :scream :banghead. Sarge might as well taken a cut lunch and a cuppa onto the ground with him. A marking CHF didn't exist under Spud :help.
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A snippet fromthe Age article about Riewoldt. I don't think Richo gets the yips as it's mainly a technique problem but he is a confidence player with his goalkicking. His first shot often dictates how he goes for the rest of the game :-\.
Kicking for goal is a closed skill, says associate Professor Stephanie Hanrahan, director of the sports psychology program at the University of Queensland. You perform it on your own. And your mind takes over, often with detrimental effects.
The yips is a powerful and debilitating force.
"Feelings affect behaviour and behaviour affects feelings," said Hanrahan. "You are thinking of the end result. In golf you tell yourself, 'Don't hook', which actually puts hooking into your mind. You see a hook. You can also develop a routine for performing an action poorly."
Open skills are very different. They are performed at the pace of the game, as it unfolds before you. They are so practised as to appear innate. You don't think about them.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/03/15/1142098529551.html
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richo kicks best from far out as he uses a natural arc when he kicks, similar to a left footer. he just has to refine thatto kicking when closer in
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how timely.
me and a mate were joking the other day that Richo should try drop or place kicking when taking a set shot for goal.
and before you start cacking yourselves, hey nothing else has ever worked has it?
I think a place kick would would be ok for richo as he doesnt have to worry about the drop of the ball, just the point of the ball to connect with, then boom off it goes.
The only trouble is i wouldnt bother, cause its too late in Richos case but it could be something to look at down the track say if someone else (esp rievwolt cause its his drop to the foot which is affecting his kick) needs to TRY something different.
Won't happen but sheesh would'nt it be great to see it once from todays game, just once will do. Probobly get a spray from the coach but hey, it'll be front page news next day.
I can see it now, Richo marks 10mtres out dead in front, goes back and drop kicks one through :o ;D
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how timely.
me and a mate were joking the other day that Richo should try drop or place kicking when taking a set shot for goal.
and before you start cacking yourselves, hey nothing else has ever worked has it?
I think a place kick would would be ok for richo as he doesnt have to worry about the drop of the ball, just the point of the ball to connect with, then boom off it goes.
The only trouble is i wouldnt bother, cause its too late in Richos case but it could be something to look at down the track say if someone else (esp rievwolt cause its his drop to the foot which is affecting his kick) needs to TRY something different.
Won't happen but sheesh would'nt it be great to see it once from todays game, just once will do. Probobly get a spray from the coach but hey, it'll be front page news next day.
I can see it now, Richo marks 10mtres out dead in front, goes back and drop kicks one through :o ;D
What about the time clock.
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The last person I saw using the place kick was Jack Graham (South Melbourne).
When he took a mark within kicking distance the crowd would yell 'stick it on the carpet Jack"
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The last person I saw using the place kick was Jack Graham (South Melbourne).
When he took a mark within kicking distance the crowd would yell 'stick it on the carpet Jack"
Think Tony Ongarello (Fitz) would have been the last one - can't confirm for sure, but i think I've heard people say he was the last one to use the place kick.
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A place kick is no good for Richo as the big fella always has the urge to play on after a mark inside 50 no matter how many times Terry tells him not to ;).
What about the time clock.
Thanks to Lloyd we now have this stupid rule ::).
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Salmon too
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Salmon too
What a shocker he was - putting the bloody ball between his legs, pulling up his socks and tucking himself in :chuck
I can only remember one time when the umpires actaully blew the whistle for the clock to stop while this bloke went through his routine
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and fev!
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The last person I saw using the place kick was Jack Graham (South Melbourne).
When he took a mark within kicking distance the crowd would yell 'stick it on the carpet Jack"
Think Tony Ongarello (Fitz) would have been the last one - can't confirm for sure, but i think I've heard people say he was the last one to use the place kick.
Yuo are probably right moi I am talking 1946
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Thought i'd look up and see if there was any info to see if he was the last person in my footy encyclopaedia, but doesn't say he was. But here's a couple of excerpts:
On Ongarello: "A talented forward who had a rough initiation to league football when he faced up to Richmond's Mopsy Fraser".
Who didn't - must have been a real crazy man, our Mopsy :rollin
And: "Ongarello wasn't a reliable kick and even sought relief in the form of using place kicks in an attempt to improve his accuracy".
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Thought i'd look up and see if there was any info to see if he was the last person in my footy encyclopaedia, but doesn't say he was. But here's a couple of excerpts:
On Ongarello: "A talented forward who had a rough initiation to league football when he faced up to Richmond's Mopsy Fraser".
Who didn't - must have been a real crazy man, our Mopsy :rollin
And: "Ongarello wasn't a reliable kick and even sought relief in the form of using place kicks in an attempt to improve his accuracy".
No Mopsy was not crazy it was just that he got the poos when sledged and the other sides knew this and played on the fact.
Jonathan Brown and Barry Hall are modern day Mopsys but todays coaches are more versed in anger management.
Jack Dyer was Mopsy's coach and he did not mind letting the opposition know he was around either.
They were both 'Tigers'.
Oh! by the way Moi, Mopsy was a real gentleman when women were around and would stand no nonsence towards them.