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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 23, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
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Richmond
B: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
HB: Brett Deledio, Luke McGuane, Shaun Grigg
C: Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Reece Conca
HF: Robin Nahas, Tyrone Vickery, Shane Edwards
F: Mitchell Farmer, Jack Riewoldt, Brad Miller
Foll: Andrew Browne, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley
I/C: Tom Hislop, David Gourdis, Jeromey Webberley, Jake Batchelor
Emg: Shane Tuck, Jayden Post, Bradley Helbig
In: David Gourdis, Jake Batchelor
Out: Jake King (Suspension), Jayden Post
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Farmer and Miller in the forward pockets.... :help
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I'd say Tuck and Post are unlucky
Webberley and Hislop are lucky
As for McGuane... :nope
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Agree with suffered. Glad to see Gourdis being given a chance
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Im happy with the changes. If Miller is doing the job his ment to do then you can't just drop him.
good to see Gourdis getting a game from what I read on BF he played well on the weekend in the 2nds.
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Hardwick has no idea.
Hislop, Farmer, Miller still in the team is a joke!
Post plays one match and then is omitted? Hislop has had no impact, can't kick, can't mark, can't run!
We are heading backwards when Miller and Hislop are in the team!
Hardwick said that he will play good skillful players and has gone back on his word!
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Torch by name torch by nature :lol
Have to disagree with you at this stage mate.
But i'm glad we're finally going Greek on the Dees
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Would be good to see
Helbig -> Farmer
post -> miller.
O"rielly -> Hislop.
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I know its lazyness not to just look it up but whats demons line up OER?
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Here you go tiger101. The Dees are going in with two ruckmen.
B: James Strauss, James Frawley, Daniel Nicholson
HB: Colin Garland, Jared Rivers, Jack Trengove
C: Tom Scully, Colin Sylvia, Jeremy Howe
HF: Nathan Jones, Jack Watts, Ricky Petterd
F: Jamie Bennell, Mark Jamar, Brad Green
Foll: Stefan Martin, Brent Moloney, Jordie McKenzie
I/C: Cale Morton, Liam Jurrah, Jordan Gysberts, Joel Macdonald
Emg: Matthew Bate, Sam Blease, Max Gawn
In: Mark Jamar, Jordan Gysberts
Out: Clint Bartram, Max Gawn
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Hardwick has no idea.
We are heading backwards when Miller and Hislop are in the team!
lol....They really killed us last week :wallywink
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B: James Strauss, James Frawley, Daniel Nicholson
HB: Colin Garland, Jared Rivers, Jack Trengove
C: Tom Scully, Colin Sylvia, Jeremy Howe
HF: Nathan Jones, Jack Watts, Ricky Petterd
F: Jamie Bennell, Mark Jamar, Brad Green
Foll: Stefan Martin, Brent Moloney, Jordie McKenzie
I/C: Cale Morton, Liam Jurrah, Jordan Gysberts, Joel Macdonald
That actually looks a strong side on paper :-\. Only main weak spot is at FF with them needing to play a resting ruckman there rather than a genuine FF. Jurrah's had an ordinary year so far.
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Richmond
B: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
HB: Brett Deledio, Luke McGuane, Shaun Grigg
C: Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Reece Conca
HF: Robin Nahas, Tyrone Vickery, Shane Edwards
F: Mitchell Farmer, Jack Riewoldt, Brad Miller
Foll: Andrew Browne, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley
I/C: Tom Hislop, David Gourdis, Jeromey Webberley, Jake Batchelor
Emg: Shane Tuck, Jayden Post, Bradley Helbig
In: David Gourdis, Jake Batchelor
Out: Jake King (Suspension), Jayden Post
Miller must have only survived as we're playing against his old side :P. Post a bit unlucky as he had to be subbed off for team balance with Mitch Clark going off injured for Brisbane.
As for our forward pockets named :help. I don't think I've seen Farmer play in a forward pocket :-\.
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B: James Strauss, James Frawley, Daniel Nicholson
HB: Colin Garland, Jared Rivers, Jack Trengove
C: Tom Scully, Colin Sylvia, Jeremy Howe
HF: Nathan Jones, Jack Watts, Ricky Petterd
F: Jamie Bennell, Mark Jamar, Brad Green
Foll: Stefan Martin, Brent Moloney, Jordie McKenzie
I/C: Cale Morton, Liam Jurrah, Jordan Gysberts, Joel Macdonald
That actually looks a strong side on paper :-\. Only main weak spot is at FF with them needing to play a resting ruckman there rather than a genuine FF. Jurrah's had an ordinary year so far.
Therefore you can bank on us playing Jurrah into some form then :lol we're masters at that :-[
Its does look pretty strong on paper. Need to get in and under these softies early, if we give them a start and they get their fairy tails up early, it could get ugly.
Farmer incredibly lucky to survive another week. has played 1 decent quarter since he returned. Not good enough
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i am worried about mcgAUNE
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MT I disagree with you that Post is unlucky.
I dont think Post is in very good form atm.
Also, where do you see Post playing...imho he is not quick enough as a defender, not a ruckman and doesnt seem to really set the world on fire when played as a fwd
I dont know where his best position is...perhaps the third fwd but Miller seems to have that sown up at the moment...
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B: James Strauss, James Frawley, Daniel Nicholson
HB: Colin Garland, Jared Rivers, Jack Trengove
C: Tom Scully, Colin Sylvia, Jeremy Howe
HF: Nathan Jones, Jack Watts, Ricky Petterd
F: Jamie Bennell, Mark Jamar, Brad Green
Foll: Stefan Martin, Brent Moloney, Jordie McKenzie
I/C: Cale Morton, Liam Jurrah, Jordan Gysberts, Joel Macdonald
That actually looks a strong side on paper :-\. Only main weak spot is at FF with them needing to play a resting ruckman there rather than a genuine FF. Jurrah's had an ordinary year so far.
Therefore you can bank on us playing Jurrah into some form then :lol we're masters at that :-[
Its does look pretty strong on paper. Need to get in and under these softies early, if we give them a start and they get their fairy tails up early, it could get ugly.
Farmer incredibly lucky to survive another week. has played 1 decent quarter since he returned. Not good enough
Yep I agree. Need to play some bruising football straight from the start can't let them get there skis on and roll us from the get go.
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I dont think Post is in very good form atm.
Um....Con, sorry but when was Post in good form in the RFC team???
Good to see Gourdis get a go, good luck mate.
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:lol
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MT I disagree with you that Post is unlucky.
I dont think Post is in very good form atm.
Also, where do you see Post playing...imho he is not quick enough as a defender, not a ruckman and doesnt seem to really set the world on fire when played as a fwd
I dont know where his best position is...perhaps the third fwd but Miller seems to have that sown up at the moment...
Yep I'd have Postie 3rd forward instead of Miller for the time being while we wait on Big Ben's return. Miller is definitely not part of our future and has the turning circle of the Queen Mary so I'd rather give Postie more than 2.5 quarters before dropping him.
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i think it's pretty obvious that there something that post does, or doesn't do, that does not please the coaching staff.
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B: James Strauss, James Frawley, Daniel Nicholson
HB: Colin Garland, Jared Rivers, Jack Trengove
C: Tom Scully, Colin Sylvia, Jeremy Howe
HF: Nathan Jones, Jack Watts, Ricky Petterd
F: Jamie Bennell, Mark Jamar, Brad Green
Foll: Stefan Martin, Brent Moloney, Jordie McKenzie
I/C: Cale Morton, Liam Jurrah, Jordan Gysberts, Joel Macdonald
That actually looks a strong side on paper :-\. Only main weak spot is at FF with them needing to play a resting ruckman there rather than a genuine FF. Jurrah's had an ordinary year so far.
jurrah and howe while not monsters are still a decent height at 188 and 190 and both can jump. you can bet these two spend plenty of time forward, we dont have matchups for them.
personally i think it a mistake to take in just two tall defenders and i also think we should have made 5 or so changes.
people will say your kidding 5 changes but we won last week. for me we may as well have lost the standard was terrible and because of that i reckon if it takes 5 changes to lift the standard so be it.
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we must stop sylvia and petterd, they always kill us
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Richmond
B: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
HB: Brett Deledio, Luke McGuane, Shaun Grigg
C: Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Reece Conca
HF: Robin Nahas, Tyrone Vickery, Shane Edwards
F: Mitchell Farmer, Jack Riewoldt, Brad Miller
Foll: Andrew Browne, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley
I/C: Tom Hislop, David Gourdis, Jeromey Webberley, Jake Batchelor
Emg: Shane Tuck, Jayden Post, Bradley Helbig
In: David Gourdis, Jake Batchelor
Out: Jake King (Suspension), Jayden Post
Miller must have only survived as we're playing against his old side :P. Post a bit unlucky as he had to be subbed off for team balance with Mitch Clark going off injured for Brisbane.
As for our forward pockets named :help. I don't think I've seen Farmer play in a forward pocket :-\.
Not that it will happen but I would like to see Farmer play out of the forward pocket. He could really open the forward line up for our midfielders to kick more goals. He only has to lead out to the 50 and beyond, if he gets the ball around 55+ he will kick them. Could prove a good foil for Riewoldt and Miller.
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personally i think it a mistake to take in just two tall defenders
So does the match committee which is why they named three, big fella ;)
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Hardwick has no idea.
Hislop, Farmer, Miller still in the team is a joke!
Post plays one match and then is omitted? Hislop has had no impact, can't kick, can't mark, can't run!
We are heading backwards when Miller and Hislop are in the team!
Hardwick said that he will play good skillful players and has gone back on his word!
:lol :lol
"Hardwick has no idea"
This may come as a shock to you torch but have you ever considered for a milli second that perhaps the reason the the likes of Miller, Hislop & Farmer are in the team is because they are playing the roles assigned to them by the bloke who has "no idea". ;)
Now perhaps we have been watching different games but from the games I was at the last 2 weeks Farmer was good in the 2nd half against Sydney and reasonable against Bris. He was nvere going to be dropped.
Miller didn't have a great game against Sydney as defender but seeing the bloke with "no idea" has him in the team as a forward, well that wasn't exactly a great surprise. Against Bris Miller played the role he was given as a forward and pinch hitter in the ruck
As for Hislop - I don't know what his role is outside of being a defensive forward ala Kingy but obviously he is doing what the bloke with "no idea" wants because he remains. Also, with Kingy out we need someone to fill that role and I would think that is going to be Hislop. Will it work, well we will know around 4.50pm Saturday arvo
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MT I disagree with you that Post is unlucky.
I dont think Post is in very good form atm.
Also, where do you see Post playing...imho he is not quick enough as a defender, not a ruckman and doesnt seem to really set the world on fire when played as a fwd
I dont know where his best position is...perhaps the third fwd but Miller seems to have that sown up at the moment...
Yep I'd have Postie 3rd forward instead of Miller for the time being while we wait on Big Ben's return. Miller is definitely not part of our future and has the turning circle of the Queen Mary so I'd rather give Postie more than 2.5 quarters before dropping him.
:thumbsup agree 100%
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Miller must have only survived as we're playing against his old side :P. Post a bit unlucky as he had to be subbed off for team balance with Mitch Clark going off injured for Brisbane.
As for our forward pockets named :help. I don't think I've seen Farmer play in a forward pocket :-\.
MT see my response to torch ;D
But Miller survived because I reckon he played and is playing the role the coaches want him to play. I tihnk it was in one of Dimma's (aka the bloke with "no idea") recent press conferences spoke very highly of Miller and that he was indeed doing exactly what they wanted & needed him to do for the team, while he is doing that he is going to keep getting games whether the masses like it or not :thumbsup
As for Post - I agree I think he is unlucky but I watched him closely last week and I really think one of his biggest problems is his slow decision making, just seems to take that fraction of a second too long to kick the thing or handball it and it results in added pressure on the person he is giving it to
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The bloke with "no idea" should have given Greekman a run a long time ago.
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Hislop useless at essendon, useless since joining us only to get delisted by a bottom team. Now he's getting another chance to show something. I don't understand. :banghead
There's a perception he's tough. But I don't see anything from a guy who gets chance after chance to prove himself but has failed time & time again. He's fragile in spirit and body.
I don't know what anyone including hardwick sees in him. Send him back to Windy hill or the VFA.
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Where's your Christian spirit? Give him a chance to roll the rock away from his tomb before you lash yourself in despair mate.
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:ROTFL
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Good to see the Greek is in the house. Good luck to him.
Glad Webberley stayed in the side for another crack.
One thing about Dimma is for the most part blokes will at least get a few matches to prove themselves in the seniors to see if they are worthy of retaining their place unless of course you are Post.
I think the kid from where I sit may start getting a little disgruntled after being dropped after one match yet some teammates get a few weeks.With Melbourne trying to expose our height and going tall I would have thought he would have been handy to have in the 22.
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MT see my response to torch ;D
I disagree with torch about Dimma having no idea btw lol.
But Miller survived because I reckon he played and is playing the role the coaches want him to play. I tihnk it was in one of Dimma's (aka the bloke with "no idea") recent press conferences spoke very highly of Miller and that he was indeed doing exactly what they wanted & needed him to do for the team, while he is doing that he is going to keep getting games whether the masses like it or not :thumbsup
As for Post - I agree I think he is unlucky but I watched him closely last week and I really think one of his biggest problems is his slow decision making, just seems to take that fraction of a second too long to kick the thing or handball it and it results in added pressure on the person he is giving it to
And this is exactly the reason why I believe Post should be in the side ahead of Miller. This year should still be about development of our younger players and we shouldn't yet be caring about our win/loss record. I'd rather risk losing a game this year playing younger players who are part of our future ahead of fill-in older recycled players who aren't. I'm not sure how Post is expected to improve (speed up) his decision making by bringing him in to play just 2/3s of a game at AFL level and then dropping him straight back to the slower VFL. It's a rare case where Dimma hasn't given a player 2-3 games in a row which is odd as well. Miller may be ahead of Post right now (not by much I might add) but at 27 y.o. with his experience he should be daylight ahead of a young tall but he's not. Miller's output is hardly something to boast about as just a 3rd tall, his goalkicking is dodgy at best :scream, he's not agile nor is he versatile. The Club said when Miller was drafted that he was insurance just in case one of our key forwards (mainly Jack) went down with a serious injury. Well Jack as well as a much improved Vickery have kicked 60 goals between them in just 12 matches yet Miller is still playing every game in a lesser role (3rd tall) ahead of a younger player who given games in that same specific 3rd tall role could at least match Miller's output. Sorry WP but I believe Dimma is wrong on this one.
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MT, do you really think miller is being played because he is more likely to help us win games than post? I thought you didnt rate him as a player? :P
But for us, it's all about getting our process right.
Hardwick said the ongoing refinement of the Tigers' game plan remains his priority rather than the more immediate goal of winning on Saturday which could elevate the club into the top eight
post is not getting a go for one of two reasons that i can think of.
Dimma and the rest of the coaching staff simply do not like him personally?
or he is not doing the things that "get the processes right"?
I doubt too many people would argue against post having more ability than miller, but miller can follow instructions and provide structure.
It seems that post cant. to gift him games for the sake of it, while this is the case, is not development, its counter development.
To me the constant calls to drop miller, for whomever, are short sighted. as long as he plays how the coaches want, following instructions and work rate, then it is up to the more talented youngsters to follow his lead and they will naturally push him out of the side. When they do they will have earned their spot and to me that is development for the longer term.
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Yeah, Post is an odd one.
Anyone know what his reputation is like as a trainer?
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Yeah, Post is an odd one.
Anyone know what his reputation is like as a trainer?
From what I've heard, and how can I put this nicely, he's not the hardest trainer on the list.
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Helbig not an emergency anymore, he's been replaced with Nason.
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Helbig not an emergency anymore, he's been replaced with Nason.
B: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
HB: Brett Deledio, Luke McGuane, Shaun Grigg
C: Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Reece Conca
HF: Robin Nahas, Tyrone Vickery, Shane Edwards
F: Mitchell Farmer, Jack Riewoldt, Brad Miller
Foll: Andrew Browne, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley
I/C: Tom Hislop, David Gourdis, Jeromey Webberley, Jake Batchelor
Emg: Shane Tuck, Jayden Post, Ben Nason
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i think it's pretty obvious that there something that post does, or doesn't do, that does not please the coaching staff.
Get a kick maybe ?
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i think it's pretty obvious that there something that post does, or doesn't do, that does not please the coaching staff.
Get a kick maybe ?
so how did mcguane keep his spot then. easily worse than post.
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personally i think it a mistake to take in just two tall defenders
So does the match committee which is why they named three, big fella ;)
lol goo on the bench my bad.
heres one we should have dropped mcguane kept post and bought in gourdis. we dropped the wrong bloke.
once again muscles escapes scrutiny.
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so how did mcguane keep his spot then. easily worse than post.
Simply because McGuane has a hardened body and at least has a crack. Post reminds me of Geoff Hayward from that poxy Collingwood movie 'The Club ' Smokes a bunga and stares at the f***ing pigeons all day.
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so how did mcguane keep his spot then. easily worse than post.
Simply because McGuane has a hardened body and at least has a crack. Post reminds me of Geoff Hayward from that poxy Collingwood movie 'The Club ' Smokes a bunga and stares at the stuffing pigeons all day.
So Postie is going to get his act together after fighting with Dimma in the changerooms and be B.O.G. in a premiership ;)
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MT, do you really think miller is being played because he is more likely to help us win games than post? I thought you didnt rate him as a player? :P
But for us, it's all about getting our process right.
Hardwick said the ongoing refinement of the Tigers' game plan remains his priority rather than the more immediate goal of winning on Saturday which could elevate the club into the top eight
post is not getting a go for one of two reasons that i can think of.
Dimma and the rest of the coaching staff simply do not like him personally?
or he is not doing the things that "get the processes right"?
I doubt too many people would argue against post having more ability than miller, but miller can follow instructions and provide structure.
It seems that post cant. to gift him games for the sake of it, while this is the case, is not development, its counter development.
To me the constant calls to drop miller, for whomever, are short sighted. as long as he plays how the coaches want, following instructions and work rate, then it is up to the more talented youngsters to follow his lead and they will naturally push him out of the side. When they do they will have earned their spot and to me that is development for the longer term.
But al Miller was recruited onto the rookie list as insurance (in case Jack say went down with injury) yet he's now playing game after game ahead of young talls such as Post who were already on our senior list even though there is no need to play that 'insurance' card given Jack and Vickery have kicked 60 goals between them. There's an inconsistent message there to now expect the youngsters to push out an older player who was only drafted as insurance in the first place and isn't part of our future. I know Post has his deficiencies (low number of tackles being one of them) but even if Miller follows instructions his own many deficiencies and age don't have him ahead of our youngsters for mine with the future in mind. He's just a list clogger. We went down this path in the past with Mark Graham who had a good final year in 2005 playing in our defence but it did sweet stuff all for the team going forward as after the older player leaves you then need to play a younger player in that same position playing to the same structures in any case but a year later and with a year less development at AFL level. IMO players who aren't part of our future should not be in the side.
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Helbig not an emergency anymore, he's been replaced with Nason.
Perhaps a late change with Kingy missing at ground level up forward or is Helbig injured?
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Well 20 points down at qtr time.......c'mon boys..where is the heart!!!!!!!!!
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Martin and Cotchin must start getting involved in these games earlier!!
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MT, do you really think miller is being played because he is more likely to help us win games than post? I thought you didnt rate him as a player? :P
But for us, it's all about getting our process right.
Hardwick said the ongoing refinement of the Tigers' game plan remains his priority rather than the more immediate goal of winning on Saturday which could elevate the club into the top eight
post is not getting a go for one of two reasons that i can think of.
Dimma and the rest of the coaching staff simply do not like him personally?
or he is not doing the things that "get the processes right"?
I doubt too many people would argue against post having more ability than miller, but miller can follow instructions and provide structure.
It seems that post cant. to gift him games for the sake of it, while this is the case, is not development, its counter development.
To me the constant calls to drop miller, for whomever, are short sighted. as long as he plays how the coaches want, following instructions and work rate, then it is up to the more talented youngsters to follow his lead and they will naturally push him out of the side. When they do they will have earned their spot and to me that is development for the longer term.
But al Miller was recruited onto the rookie list as insurance (in case Jack say went down with injury) yet he's now playing game after game ahead of young talls such as Post who were already on our senior list even though there is no need to play that 'insurance' card given Jack and Vickery have kicked 60 goals between them. There's an inconsistent message there to now expect the youngsters to push out an older player who was only drafted as insurance in the first place and isn't part of our future. I know Post has his deficiencies (low number of tackles being one of them) but even if Miller follows instructions his own many deficiencies and age don't have him ahead of our youngsters for mine with the future in mind. He's just a list clogger. We went down this path in the past with Mark Graham who had a good final year in 2005 playing in our defence but it did sweet stuff all for the team going forward as after the older player leaves you then need to play a younger player in that same position playing to the same structures in any case but a year later and with a year less development at AFL level. IMO players who aren't part of our future should not be in the side.
The only tall miller is keeping out is post and my guess is post is keeping himself out of the team.
Miller sets the example of work rate following instructions etc, it is up to post to follow that example. develop[pment is not all about just getting a run in the seniors it's about following team rules and structures. Imagine what sort of player rich would have been had he had some disiplin installed in him at a younger age.
As i've said before, there is no denying that post is more talented than miller, but talent will only get you so far. Obviously post is not in favour with the coaching staff so to just gift him games is counter productive for the long term and the short term. It is up to post to rectify what ever it is keeping him out of favour it really as simple as that.
As for "not being part of the future" a hawthorn poster on big foot yput it nicely when he said how hardwick will be giving games to those that he thinks will be part of a succesful team as well as thos that will play a part in getting the team to where it needs to be. There will always be players who are not part of the long term future who play an important role in developing the team how the coaches want and obviously they see miller in the later role.
I suppose it comes down to whether you think development is just throwing players into the seniors, even if they do not earn it, or a multi faceted approach based on individual assessment of players and acting accordingly. There is so much we will never have privy to in relation this.
It really doesnt do anyone any harm to serve an apprenticeship at the lower level. If anything it strengthens their resolve and sorts out those who have what it takes and those that don't. Only those of a strong character will take the club to success and perhaps post doesnt have this, which means that he will not be part of the future?
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development is not all about just getting a run in the seniors it's about following team rules and structures.
.... It is up to post to rectify what ever it is keeping him out of favour it really as simple as that.
Well said, Al. :thumbsup
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development is not all about just getting a run in the seniors it's about following team rules and structures.
.... It is up to post to rectify what ever it is keeping him out of favour it really as simple as that.
Well said, Al. :thumbsup
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development is not all about just getting a run in the seniors it's about following team rules and structures.
.... It is up to post to rectify what ever it is keeping him out of favour it really as simple as that.
Well said, Al. :thumbsup
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development is not all about just getting a run in the seniors it's about following team rules and structures.
.... It is up to post to rectify what ever it is keeping him out of favour it really as simple as that.
Well said, Al. :thumbsup
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Hogwash!!! IF that's the case get rid of him because he obviously isn't following instruction.
IMO put him in the seniors and give him 5 or more games straight better he than Miller waste of time. If he's no good then get rid of him. The ONLY way to find out for sure is to throw him in the deep end.
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"I suppose it comes down to whether you think development is just throwing players into the seniors, even if they do not earn it, or a multi faceted approach based on individual assessment of players and acting accordingly. There is so much we will never have privy to in relation this."
That was a good post al (pardon the pun). My issue with Miller is that he is currently being gifted games for listening to instructions that he isn't capable of executing properly. So he has the intent but not the capability. Post has the capabilities but not the intent. I'm not sure why one deserves position in the side over the other.
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Y + B ,one deserves a game over the other because intent is something that a person can change, whereas talent you have to take what you are given.
Miller will get the best out himself, even if his best is not that great. If post can get the best out himself then he will be a much better player and at the end of the day all you can ask is for a player to be the best he can. That is the culture we want to develop and a culture that will see the cream rise to the top and a real chance of success, even though mr Tigra would much prefer to see talented players just cruising around and contributing to continued underperformance
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Y + B ,one deserves a game over the other because intent is something that a person can change, whereas talent you have to take what you are given.
Miller will get the best out himself, even if his best is not that great. If post can get the best out himself then he will be a much better player and at the end of the day all you can ask is for a player to be the best he can. That is the culture we want to develop and a culture that will see the cream rise to the top and a real chance of success, even though mr Tigra would much prefer to see talented players just cruising around and contributing to continued underperformance
IF we had a stand alone reserves team as Geelong and Collingwood currently do and IF you have decent depth in your list as Geelong and Collingwood do then you HAVE the luxury of spending valuable time developing players through the reserves to your teams structures and teach them exactly what you want them to do as if they were in the senior squad. A senior player goes down and these teams have a ready made replacement. Yes perfect world.
At Richmond we have coburg where we have players played out of postion to a different style, game plan and substandard league and players. Now Post has been on our list since 2009 and I think he will develop alot quicker in the deep end at senior level. Melbourne was in a similar situation as us with Watts. There was alot of critisism of the club playing him when he was supposedly not ready or not up to it or lack of confidence etc. But now that he has improved those same people are applauding his improvement and Melbourne for playing him.
Until this club gets a stand alone reserves team and depth to our list we need to see who from these youngsters can play otherwise like Miller, it is a complete waste of time.
Bring in Post and Griffiths if they're not injured and teach them in the seniors whilst we still can afford to lose due to our "development phase".