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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on July 17, 2011, 08:35:53 PM
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Than right now?
I only started walking in the late 80s so 90s were my first experiences as a Tiger supporter.
Early 90s were tough and as a kid was shattered to see Hogg leave. But brought some guns that I idolised ie Brodrick.
Things go better with a peak in 1995 with some good success.
Late 90s started to get ugly but the emergence of Richo we had some great wins and weren't an easy beat without being a great side.
00s saw us start well with Spud took us close in 2001 and weren't good enough to go one with it.
Introduction of Nathan Brown with his brilliance before his leg break was exciting and showed endless promise, until the tragedy.
Since then its never really been that exciting except for some optimism of future success.
So for the last 20 years its never been rosey, but maybe its because I'm older and as a kid I look beyond the embarressment of losing, hidden by my love and awe of a game that I am growing up with.
I missed the 80s so can't comment but if this the most disappointed and angry you've ever been?
- Club has begged for the supporters to chip in $ to help the club.
- Club then sells home games which has ruined our season (Port) and embarrassed an already finished campaign (Gold Coast).
- Club has claimed to be picking players that use the ball well, fail to do so with Edwards and Jackson, yet to be dropped.
- Club claims to playing the kids, yet have had Brad Miller play half the season with Jayden Post in and out of the side.
- Club pump up games and players don't rock up (Carlton FTF)
I heard the late 80s were really tough, I can't imagine it was worse than this.
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I find I tend to block out most of it.
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Also add the fact the club has preached about a stand alone VFL side and then signed a 3 year deal with Coburg.
I hate to say it but I find myself with less trust of the club as I ever had. Club is lucky we have Gale otherwise I don't know what I'd say on here about it.
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first went to the footy in 1966.
Seen Grand Finals in 67/69 73/74 and 80
From 1983 its been all downhill
poor period for the club late 80,s save our skins etc
Some hope in 1995.
Some hope in 2001.
the club has been going around in circles since 2002/2003.
I dont think it can get worse with the draft conditions we have to contend with.
I am currently real angry with the current state of play.
we have made some really bad decisions in regards to recruits which the club just sweep under the table eg Relton Roberts , Troy Taylor , Robbie Hicks etc etc
We continue to recruit smaller type players etc etc Farmer, Nahas, Webberley, Conca, etc.
we refuse to play bigger bodied players such as Tuck
am over the Club emails ,telephone messages and all the spin, am over it.
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Round 1, 2009 was 5h1tful
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all of 2009 was atrocious. half way through the season if the club had folded i would have viewed it as a mercy killing.
as bad as this seems now, it aint like that.
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we've been through some dark times, im having to detatch myself in order not to curl into a foetal position and begin sucking my thumb. I'm confident we have what it takes to make progress and I am hopeful that when it's all said and done in 2011 that we will imrpove on our current position :gotigers
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- Club has begged for the supporters to chip in $ to help the club.
- Club then sells home games which has ruined our season (Port) and embarrassed an already finished campaign (Gold Coast).
- Club has claimed to be picking players that use the ball well, fail to do so with Edwards and Jackson, yet to be dropped.
- Club claims to playing the kids, yet have had Brad Miller play half the season with Jayden Post in and out of the side.
Some good points there Pope. You can throw Grigg into the mix of only picking players who use the ball well. Edwards is comical
I heard the late 80s were really tough, I can't imagine it was worse than this.
I lived it mate and the difference is the club had brownie points back then. We were only 10 years removed from our dynasty and played in a GF in 82
We supported the club through some bad years coz we'd had so many good ones. I felt like I owed the club to turn up when we were struggling. NOW THE CLUB OWES US.
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Also add the fact the club has preached about a stand alone VFL side and then signed a 3 year deal with Coburg.
I hate to say it but I find myself with less trust of the club as I ever had. Club is lucky we have Gale otherwise I don't know what I'd say on here about it.
With all due respect Pope you seem to be (like everyone else I might add) have only paid attention to part of the Club's speil regarding a stand alone VFL side. Yes they want one but they have been very clear in what was needed re the FTF for this to happen
Firstly the FTF target is $6mil (they currently have $2.6 mil). They clearly gave a list of what the $$$ would go to as it was raised. First principle was without hesitation that half the funds raised would go to retire debt. First non debt item was the reconfiguration of Punt Road Oval to Etihad stadium dimensions. The next non debt area was money for recruitment .. end of story that hasn't changed form day one
Secondly and most importantly the Club made it very clear at the FTF dinner and it was posted on this site by those who attended that for the Club to field its own stand alone VFL team it would need to raise at least $4 to 4.5mil of the $6mil. Unless that happened the club would not be a position to do it...
As it stands right now whether we like it or not they don't have the money to field a own stand alone VFL side - so what do you suggest they do? Go further into debt or not pay off the debt just appease fans who want a VFL side - not very smart I wouldn't have thought and I can just see the outcry on here if they did....
And finally are you seriously that naive to think that any AFL Club who is in aligmment with a VFL club doesn't have an out clause in case circumstances change...
And BTW I find your comment abount Benny gale quite funny - you whack the Club for selling home games which was a Benny decision but then in the next sentence say thank god for Benny ::) ::) which is it exactly a whack or a good decision by the great man Benny :rollin I think Benny is doing a very good job but please give the man whack for the selling of ga :thumbsupmes
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the walls era was the hardest. :banghead :banghead
we couldve made finals but we didnt.
Walls was an arch enemy from Carlscum. he didnt even want to coach anymore. Bad decision getting him.
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For me and the turning point was Rd 1 2009. That day onwards i decided to still as i always do go to every game, but importantly get over a loss pretty quickly and not take it home with me and out on the mrs. I would be dark for days prior to this game.
I now try go to every game not expecting to win and when it happens i feel good, e.g the essendon game. Yesterday i had a feeling we would lose, hence dropped coin on GC in the 3rd quarter. I know this team like the back of my hand.
We are a mentally weak organisation and all 17 clubs know it.
The club is fighting more than dud players and lack of $$ its fighting a losing culture. Its the same one that denies Stkilda a flag.
Like i said if Gale cant fix it then shut the doors we are doomed.
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I have been angry many times.
2009 was probably the worst. That first half of the year just left me hollow and empty without even having the strength to muster a meaningful response. By the the time Jade took over the season was meaningless and the emptiness hollowness bitterness pain as well as my care factor just dwindled away further and I guess my attitude didn't change until the season was over. For me the whole of 2009 was that lowest ebb I have ever felt and that includes some thumpings since I started to go to the footy as a 7 year old in 1982. That's why losses like yesterday hurt but they may be for the greater good as it means we have to invest in no quick fixes and band aid repairs draft kids to address our needs and build a sise that one day 2, 3 ,4 years from now will threaten to take this competition by force.
I guess as a fan since 1979 and only ever going to 5 finals in 30 years whilst mates who support the Pies, Blues, Bombers, Hawks I am envious and I kind of want to see a Baby Bombers sort of rise up the ladder and see some success quickly as the more I think about the more I feel the rebuild will take longer to take shape rather than sooner and its not so much my patience but I have waited for so long for something with substance, class, aggression, passion with some longevity of course. I know its a few more years but I have seen the club waste opportunity after opportunity and stagnate and Millers words in 2003 still ring in my ears when we were on our one win run in the last 14 games that we were planning on success around 2007.
I actually and honestly feel we may have the people in place ie Brendan and Damien who can make us successful so long as blokes like Craig Cameron and Gary March are out of the picture and I feel the void in our list from years of mismanagement during the previous two admins will make the rebuild all the more important as I feel fans have had enough and I don't want to see us turn into Fitzroy as we all saw how demoralising their demise was b/c we couldn't get it right as once many of us who grew up and saw success or had the Tiggers thrust on us by a relo or friend during the 60's 70's and 80's stop going their won't be many young kids supporting us as we are not successful.
The club owes some success to its fans it has helped the club rebuild from scratch in 1990 and now is digging deep to wipe out a 6 million dollar debt. I just don't want to see us and our support dwindle away into oblivion .
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I cup my own boobs at night. It's the only thing soothing and reassuring that reinforces my self worth
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I cup my own boobs at night. It's the thing soothing and reassuring that reinforces my self worth
God I hope you are a woman..... :lol
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plenty of times
the 150 point thumping against adelaide in the 90's, i actually tried to ring the club and leave an abusive msg but msg bank was full :lol
and the other times were the 157pt thumping against the cats in 2007, we didnt try that day and the ben cousins rnd 1 game vs the blues, possible finals tak and 10 mins in our season was shot.
lol we are a skato club
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The first game the Eagles played was against us......they won.....I was there.... :scream
Every game we are supposed to win we lose...we have always been the same.
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The first game the Eagles played was against us......they won.....I was there.... :scream
Every game we are supposed to win we lose...we have always been the same.
You started the rot WAT. You said we should beat Port by 80 points a few weeks ago and we have never looked back. :lol :rollin :lol
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The first game the Eagles played was against us......they won.....I was there.... :scream
Every game we are supposed to win we lose...we have always been the same.
You started the rot WAT. You said we should beat Port by 80 points a few weeks ago and we have never looked back. :lol :rollin :lol
I was gonna blame David King who said we were dead set certs for the 8
But now I'm with ya Tucker - let's blame WAT :rollin
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Also add the fact the club has preached about a stand alone VFL side and then signed a 3 year deal with Coburg.
I hate to say it but I find myself with less trust of the club as I ever had. Club is lucky we have Gale otherwise I don't know what I'd say on here about it.
With all due respect Pope you seem to be (like everyone else I might add) have only paid attention to part of the Club's speil regarding a stand alone VFL side. Yes they want one but they have been very clear in what was needed re the FTF for this to happen
Firstly the FTF target is $6mil (they currently have $2.6 mil). They clearly gave a list of what the $$$ would go to as it was raised. First principle was without hesitation that half the funds raised would go to retire debt. First non debt item was the reconfiguration of Punt Road Oval to Etihad stadium dimensions. The next non debt area was money for recruitment .. end of story that hasn't changed form day one
Secondly and most importantly the Club made it very clear at the FTF dinner and it was posted on this site by those who attended that for the Club to field its own stand alone VFL team it would need to raise at least $4 to 4.5mil of the $6mil. Unless that happened the club would not be a position to do it...
As it stands right now whether we like it or not they don't have the money to field a own stand alone VFL side - so what do you suggest they do? Go further into debt or not pay off the debt just appease fans who want a VFL side - not very smart I wouldn't have thought and I can just see the outcry on here if they did....
And finally are you seriously that naive to think that any AFL Club who is in aligmment with a VFL club doesn't have an out clause in case circumstances change...
And BTW I find your comment abount Benny gale quite funny - you whack the Club for selling home games which was a Benny decision but then in the next sentence say thank god for Benny ::) ::) which is it exactly a whack or a good decision by the great man Benny :rollin I think Benny is doing a very good job but please give the man whack for the selling of ga :thumbsupmes
WP, to shed some light, the club wants money for a VFL side, for Free Agency, higher allowance for football department spending. All been highlighted at major areas that need to be invested in for the club to succeed.
An estimated 6m figure of the FTF was meant to fund all of this?
Failure to reach that 6mil figure throws it out the window?
If its so important to go out to the clubs members and rattle tins for this investment, surely its still important that maybe some restructuring of the clubs finances can make it possible.
There is no over night solution, but I find it disappointing that the club preached the importance of these things to be invested in, yet when the FTF doesn't reach the expected heights, the importance is suddenly irrelevant. Surely if its so important than a plan B is set in place, instead of a 'oh well at least we tried'? - At least thats what it looks like to me, I could be missing something.
The decision to sell the home games is a double edged sword. Benny/The Club deserves a whack for it but also praise. It could have been done better.
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As a kid i remember watching the 80 GF with my old man.
He's gone now.
Would have been great to watch ONE more with my best mate.
Thanks for nothing you insipid fools.
When Frawley was coaching and after one of our many pumpings,i sent an email to the club with my real name and mobile number.
In the email I told the club i was going to burn the joint to the ground unless they got rid of spud.
Next day i get a call from the CIB........He must have been a Richmond supporter as he said,
"Mate i know how u feel but u just cant say that!"
lol
Fast Forward today and unfortunately what anger once coursed thru my veins is now a subtle flow in comparison.
I'm a defeated man.
I truly dont appreciate the modern game and ofetn wonder why i still follow it.
It's netball with light body contact
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its two lifetimes away from going to night games at VFL park with Roy Wright and Dad....now that was the culture.
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WP, to shed some light, the club wants money for a VFL side, for Free Agency, higher allowance for football department spending. All been highlighted at major areas that need to be invested in for the club to succeed.
An estimated 6m figure of the FTF was meant to fund all of this?
Failure to reach that 6mil figure throws it out the window?
If its so important to go out to the clubs members and rattle tins for this investment, surely its still important that maybe some restructuring of the clubs finances can make it possible.
Sorry Pope which part of my post didn't you understand?
Yes the FTF target of $6mil if reached was to cover all these things
But they have made it clear that if the TOTAL target is not reached what will be financed and in what order. That is their plan B
They have said if they get to $4-4.5 mil then half of goes to paying off the debt (which means we will still have a $2mil debt but an interest bill cut in half) and they will use the remainder to fund things like a VFL team.
Are you now saying you don't want them to pay of ANY debt and rather them use the money only in the footy dept.... if you are then you a wanting the club to go further into debt which isn't going to help us long term
As a kid i remember watching the 80 GF with my old man.
He's gone now.
Would have been great to watch ONE more with my best mate.
I know what you mean Ox.
I never got to go to one game with my Dad. I would love to have gone to ONE tiger -v- Pies game with my Dad that would have been special.
gotta say I wouldn't mind one more day at the footy with Ma Powell either
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As a kid i remember watching the 80 GF with my old man.
He's gone now.
Would have been great to watch ONE more with my best mate.
Thanks for nothing you insipid fools.
When Frawley was coaching and after one of our many pumpings,i sent an email to the club with my real name and mobile number.
In the email I told the club i was going to burn the joint to the ground unless they got rid of spud.
Next day i get a call from the CIB........He must have been a Richmond supporter as he said,
"Mate i know how u feel but u just cant say that!"
lol
Fast Forward today and unfortunately what anger once coursed thru my veins is now a subtle flow in comparison.
I'm a defeated man.
I truly dont appreciate the modern game and ofetn wonder why i still follow it.
It's netball with light body contact
Thats too funny
i thought you were going to say the CIB guy said "I know how you feel lets do it"
It seems most of us at some point have sent an email to the club. I once sent one to Greg Miller after the geelong mauling asking for his sacking.
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WP, to shed some light, the club wants money for a VFL side, for Free Agency, higher allowance for football department spending. All been highlighted at major areas that need to be invested in for the club to succeed.
An estimated 6m figure of the FTF was meant to fund all of this?
Failure to reach that 6mil figure throws it out the window?
If its so important to go out to the clubs members and rattle tins for this investment, surely its still important that maybe some restructuring of the clubs finances can make it possible.
Sorry Pope which part of my post didn't you understand?
Yes the FTF target of $6mil if reached was to cover all these things
But they have made it clear that if the TOTAL target is not reached what will be financed and in what order. That is their plan B
They have said if they get to $4-4.5 mil then half of goes to paying off the debt (which means we will still have a $2mil debt but an interest bill cut in half) and they will use the remainder to fund things like a VFL team.
Are you now saying you don't want them to pay of ANY debt and rather them use the money only in the footy dept.... if you are then you a wanting the club to go further into debt which isn't going to help us long term
As a kid i remember watching the 80 GF with my old man.
He's gone now.
Would have been great to watch ONE more with my best mate.
I know what you mean Ox.
I never got to go to one game with my Dad. I would love to have gone to ONE tiger -v- Pies game with my Dad that would have been special.
gotta say I wouldn't mind one more day at the footy with Ma Powell either
Yeah I understand all of that, I just have a concern with how important these things are yet the club is relying on the supporters to fund it instead of having a back up plan (refinancing departments, reducing expenditure etc.) if the members didn't reach "x" numbers of donations.
I understand how important all those things are and the club has them in the correct order but if the members are to believe that these things that need investment are truly as important as the club says they are will they restructure other departments to fund them now the supporters didn't reach the 6mil figure?
No.
So that to me suggests either:
a) They aren't that important.
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b) The club was naive and expected this money to come in and failed to have a plan b to achieve these investments if the members didn't reach 6 mil.
I'm leaning towards B.
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As a kid i remember watching the 80 GF with my old man.
He's gone now.
Would have been great to watch ONE more with my best mate.
Thanks for nothing you insipid fools.
When Frawley was coaching and after one of our many pumpings,i sent an email to the club with my real name and mobile number.
In the email I told the club i was going to burn the joint to the ground unless they got rid of spud.
Next day i get a call from the CIB........He must have been a Richmond supporter as he said,
"Mate i know how u feel but u just cant say that!"
lol
Fast Forward today and unfortunately what anger once coursed thru my veins is now a subtle flow in comparison.
I'm a defeated man.
I truly dont appreciate the modern game and ofetn wonder why i still follow it.
It's netball with light body contact
Thats too funny
i thought you were going to say the CIB guy said "I know how you feel lets do it"
It seems most of us at some point have sent an email to the club. I once sent one to Greg Miller after the geelong mauling asking for his sacking.
I'm thinking of drafting my first email to the club.
I'll be gunning for Craig Cameron and his decisions and the selection committee.
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The first game the Eagles played was against us......they won.....I was there.... :scream
Every game we are supposed to win we lose...we have always been the same.
You started the rot WAT. You said we should beat Port by 80 points a few weeks ago and we have never looked back. :lol :rollin :lol
I was gonna blame David King who said we were dead set certs for the 8
But now I'm with ya Tucker - let's blame WAT :rollin
:cheers..yep I should of just kept it zipped.... ;D
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Yeah I understand all of that, I just have a concern with how important these things are yet the club is relying on the supporters to fund it instead of having a back up plan (refinancing departments, reducing expenditure etc.) if the members didn't reach "x" numbers of donations.
I understand how important all those things are and the club has them in the correct order but if the members are to believe that these things that need investment are truly as important as the club says they are will they restructure other departments to fund them now the supporters didn't reach the 6mil figure?
No.
So that to me suggests either:
a) They aren't that important.
or
b) The club was naive and expected this money to come in and failed to have a plan b to achieve these investments if the members didn't reach 6 mil.
I'm leaning towards B.
Pope - I don't think you do understand because as I have said twice now they clearly have a plan B if they don't reach the target. They have a plans in place based on a varity of scenarios if they don't reach the $6 mil target how much simpler do you want them to be?
Your suggestion that they should look at "refinancing departments, reducing expenditure etc" is to be blunt farcical because that's what they've been doing for the last 10 years and that's why sit in the bottom four in the Comp for footy department spend. Remember we haven't invested in recruiting, development etc like other clubs for years
That's why the launched the FTF in the first place to 1/ get rid of the debt and the 500K interest bill that goes with the debt and to have funds in place to invest heavily in the footy side of things
But what the hell let's go with your theory of restructuring departments for a minute.
Which ones should be re-structure exactly? The Marketing & Sponsorship department perhaps? Yeah we don't need all those people out there getting sponsors? Membership department? No we really should go back to having the most understaffed membeship department in the AFL. the admin side of the footy department perhaps?
Finally, outside of what i have said already the club has made it abundantly clear that if they don't reach the target the will continue work to getting rid of the debt and increase the footy department investment incrementally based on their yearly operations (read profit) because there isn't any other way it can be achieve .. so don't say their isn't a plan b - you may not like it but it is there for all to see
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Anger is a very negative, unproductive emotion. Ranks right up there with jealousy, spite, envy and greed. A lot of people waste a lot of time on anger.
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Unfortunately I had this horrible feeling we would lose and we did. It wasn't a surprise to lose and that for me is the saddest thing of all.
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Anger is a very negative, unproductive emotion. Ranks right up there with jealousy, spite, envy and greed. A lot of people waste a lot of time on anger.
You're right. We should all spend more time sitting in the lotus position listening to whale music, and chanting "serenity now" ;D
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Looking at Heppell at Essendon and Conca with us it looks like we missed out again. Conca will be a good player. Looks like a B grade player not an A, sadly Heppell looks like hes going to develop into an A grade player. It these types of mistakes that kill Richmond. Every year this happens.
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I said this from day 1 Ramps. He is too short to be a modern day midfielder. Yeah yeah Harvey some will say.
Good average player yes i have no doubt, but IMO this was a massive risk, one which should never have been taken.
We have now another small/mid size player to add to the 8 or so we already have on our list.
Francis Jackson is an absolute disgrace and should be sacked. He has had 5 years in the job had enough
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Looking at Heppell at Essendon and Conca with us it looks like we missed out again. Conca will be a good player. Looks like a B grade player not an A, sadly Heppell looks like hes going to develop into an A grade player. It these types of mistakes that kill Richmond. Every year this happens.
This is a long bow Ramps.. Heppell is very outside Conca looks more inside. We could have done far worse than Conca.
If the draft was picked again I'd assume it would go something like this
1. Swallow
2. Heppell
3. Day
4. Gaff
5. Conca
6. Bennell
7. Polec
8. Caddy/Lynch/Prestia
Conca is still a pick 6 quality, no point crying over spilt milk cause a kid drifted and we didn't grab him over our decent picked player.
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Anger is a very negative, unproductive emotion. Ranks right up there with jealousy, spite, envy and greed. A lot of people waste a lot of time on anger.
You're right. We should all spend more time sitting in the lotus position listening to whale music, and chanting "serenity now" ;D
Reading this forum I think we should. :yep
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Why I am peeed!
Firstly I know footy ebbs and flows and 6 weeks ago Essendon were in our boat and we were over the moon about the development at the club, even having a sly snigger at Melbourne and Norf and even the Doggies and Aints in the process.
Well good old footy has thrown the curve ball and once again it is us in the poo boat.
What poos me the most and I will use the Cairns game as the example as I was there and those that go know how much more you see being there.
Dustin Martin - I blame the coaching staff when someone like Dustin gets the ball and first instinct is to look sideways. That is not the way he plays or should be forced to play. When we won some games early on it was because guys and in particular Martin taking it on and clearing the ball stuff EN LOOOOONNNGGGG.
We had a chance to get back into it in the 3rd with no Major damage done in the 2nd and what do we do, the exact opposite of gold coast and play ring-a-freakin-rosie with the pill and have our shots on goal from the pockets.
There was one stage in the backline when we wer'e trying to clear and no poo the was a 50 metre circle in the middle of the ground and no one not one single simple nuffy or a player even thought about running into it. Once again Coaching or are they all that freakin stupid.
We had Griff Riewoldt and Vickers and with that Breeze you just had to plonk them staggered between the square and the goal and all it would take was ONE kick and a fair chance one would get it BUT NO we go around in circles trying to create when that was not what was called for in the conditions and the position of the game.
JAck WTF is going on there he is leading to the pockets with Players trying to hit him on the chest from 40 metres in those conditions. And JAck needs a good rockets lit under his rs, a few times he could of ATTACKED the freakin thing BUT NO I'll hang back let it bounce and try and be clever and get around the man who is right on my tail and if that doesn't work go for the soccer fn goal off the ground from 30 out in the pocket. It is football Jack attack the Fukin thing dont Make love to it.
Just getting a really bad feeling HArdwick is letting his game plan take too much priority over winning games of footy, which does sound strange but think about it.
Man I am really upset about where we are going right now and 3 more years of this crap and we may be ever too far up the proverbial Sh|t creek to ever get back.
We have to bite the Bullet and get a Ruck and a Back at pretty much whatever cost we necessary.
We are the laughing stock and have no right to belittle any other club in the AFL the way we have been the past 30 years.
Makes me sick ..... End
Spose I will see what they come up with against the cats, but if it is the same I will be on the early train home cause I cant support the poo they are dishing up at the moment.
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Anger is a very negative, unproductive emotion. Ranks right up there with jealousy, spite, envy and greed. A lot of people waste a lot of time on anger.
You're right. We should all spend more time sitting in the lotus position listening to whale music, and chanting "serenity now" ;D
Reading this forum I think we should. :yep
I just have this image of us all thirty years into the future, sitting in a nursing home being spoon fed pudding. And we'll be saying it's been 60 years since we won a flag, and the latest 5 year plan is starting to go a bit pear-shaped, and the umpteenth coach to take on the poisoned chalice is looking a bit shakey. But show patience and faith, we're on the right track, and we'll be celebrating a drought-breaking premiership soon, as the alarms of the Richmond supporter in the bed beside us start going off, and his life-support machine starts flatlining. Still, as long as we don't get angry about it, and get our blood pressure up, eh?
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Firstly the FTF target is $6mil (they currently have $2.6 mil). They clearly gave a list of what the $$$ would go to as it was raised. First principle was without hesitation that half the funds raised would go to retire debt. First non debt item was the reconfiguration of Punt Road Oval to Etihad stadium dimensions. The next non debt area was money for recruitment .. end of story that hasn't changed form day one
I think you've mislead some people with this comment.
The non-debt items were (according to Benny's letter) http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=42677.345
1) Redevelopment of the PRO
2) Pre-payment of TPP
3) RFC Reserves
4) High Performance
Item 2 only refers to the use of the TPP to get players via Free Agency.
It is notable however that most of the presentation reported at the FTF dinner seems to have been about recruitment problems.
It is also notable that the coach makes specific mention of Recruiting and List Analysis in his part of the initial appeal.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/FTFCoach/tabid/17129/Default.aspx
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Firstly the FTF target is $6mil (they currently have $2.6 mil). They clearly gave a list of what the $$$ would go to as it was raised. First principle was without hesitation that half the funds raised would go to retire debt. First non debt item was the reconfiguration of Punt Road Oval to Etihad stadium dimensions. The next non debt area was money for recruitment .. end of story that hasn't changed form day one
If we are to reconfigre PR Oval to Etihad dimensions then why did we build the Cragieburn facilty?
Have we wasted money there?
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Firstly the FTF target is $6mil (they currently have $2.6 mil). They clearly gave a list of what the $$$ would go to as it was raised. First principle was without hesitation that half the funds raised would go to retire debt. First non debt item was the reconfiguration of Punt Road Oval to Etihad stadium dimensions. The next non debt area was money for recruitment .. end of story that hasn't changed form day one
If we are to reconfigre PR Oval to Etihad dimensions then why did we build the Cragieburn facilty?
Have we wasted money there?
Firstly, we didn't build the Craigienurn facility, the RFC didnt contribute $0.01. It has not cost them anything
The Hume Council, the AFL & the Stockland developed and paid for the entire Craigienurn facility. The RFC have an agreement with the council to use the facility as a summer training venue
The dimensions of Craigienburn are the same as the MCG not Etihad, hence why it was appealing to the RFC as a alternate training venue
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Firstly the FTF target is $6mil (they currently have $2.6 mil). They clearly gave a list of what the $$$ would go to as it was raised. First principle was without hesitation that half the funds raised would go to retire debt. First non debt item was the reconfiguration of Punt Road Oval to Etihad stadium dimensions. The next non debt area was money for recruitment .. end of story that hasn't changed form day one
I think you've mislead some people with this comment.
I dont think I mislead anyone as I have only posted what was said and shown to us at the FTF dinner back in March.
They presented a range of different scenarios of what they intended to do with the money based on how much the FTF raised
They started at $3mil and went all the way to the $6mil
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Looking at Heppell at Essendon and Conca with us it looks like we missed out again. Conca will be a good player. Looks like a B grade player not an A, sadly Heppell looks like hes going to develop into an A grade player. It these types of mistakes that kill Richmond. Every year this happens.
yep, Conca spent alot of time playing twos last years as well.
Mate at the draft last years said Heppell was a stand out
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Dustin Martin - I blame the coaching staff when someone like Dustin gets the ball and first instinct is to look sideways.
Fair point and being a tiger mid can't be easy when there are VFL teams with a far better ruck division
Just getting a really bad feeling HArdwick is letting his game plan take too much priority over winning games of footy, which does sound strange but think about it.
Good point again CUB. I'm all for buying into the players belief in the gameplan but surely it needs to change pending on the state of the game ? For example if we'd shut GC down defensively in the 2nd qtr we win the game
We have to bite the Bullet and get a Ruck and a Back at pretty much whatever cost we necessary.
We sure do
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yep, Conca spent alot of time playing twos last years as well.
Mate at the draft last years said Heppell was a stand out
Twos for who? His WAFL club? Well that's true. Concs was playing senior WAFL footy against men and WAFL reserves whilst Heppell was playing TAC.
Plus he was captaining his school side and vice captaining his state side, and of course Colts level footy.
FJ rated Heppell extremely highly FWIW, club went for an inside mid over another half back flanker.
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Twos for who? His WAFL club? Well that's true. Concs was playing senior WAFL footy against men and WAFL reserves whilst Heppell was playing TAC.
Plus he was captaining his school side and vice captaining his state side, and of course Colts level footy.
FJ rated Heppell extremely highly FWIW, club went for an inside mid over another half back flanker.
Spot on mate , Conca has done as much you could hope for an 18yr old first year player. He'll be a ten year tiger I reckon
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I'm not going to judge Conca v Heppell yet but I am concerned that we keep drafting red heads.
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Ive been far more angry.
Losing 133-57 R22 against Melbourne in 1998 summed us up as a club extremely well.
Needing only a competitive effort to make the finals we were embarrassed.
The match was built up enormously and we manage to have Jeff Farmer destroy the game as a contest within 5 minutes of the 1st bounce.
We miss finals by a measly 4%. We didnt even have to win the match, just get close.
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I'm not going to judge Conca v Heppell yet but I am concerned that we keep drafting red heads.
Yeh well I got treated for Heppell at the local GP yesterday.
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Firstly the FTF target is $6mil (they currently have $2.6 mil). They clearly gave a list of what the $$$ would go to as it was raised. First principle was without hesitation that half the funds raised would go to retire debt. First non debt item was the reconfiguration of Punt Road Oval to Etihad stadium dimensions. The next non debt area was money for recruitment .. end of story that hasn't changed form day one
If we are to reconfigre PR Oval to Etihad dimensions then why did we build the Cragieburn facilty?
Have we wasted money there?
Firstly, we didn't build the Craigienurn facility, the RFC didnt contribute $0.01. It has not cost them anything
The Hume Council, the AFL & the Stockland developed and paid for the entire Craigienurn facility. The RFC have an agreement with the council to use the facility as a summer training venue
The dimensions of Craigienburn are the same as the MCG not Etihad, hence why it was appealing to the RFC as a alternate training venue
Thanks WP!
That was a genuine question btw not a rebuttal!
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im not angry at all cos i dont care anymore
why should i care? the players dont care! the club dosnt care! the coaches dont care !!
so why should i care anymore
now ... we can pumped by carlton and the coaches bin the game , they dont review it, they didnt even want to talk about it
and look what happens
scott at the kangaroos after the pies pumped them, analysed their game, frame by frame , inch by inch.....why ,,,,, cos he cares and he wants to be a coach
dimsim, comes out and says we have lost our mojo, thats what a coach says when he has lost his mojo and no longer has the ansers
its a shame malthouse has already signed a deal at carlton from what my sources say, seems like we missed the stuffing boat again
we are back to where we started, we r no better than rnd one last yr, well done dimma, you have done sweet stuff all
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so what? it doesnt matter if you dont care.
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its a shame malthouse has already signed a deal at carlton from what my sources say,
have they been on the sauce?
Mick will stay at C'wood ;D ;)
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Take a look at my avatar pic. I was pretty angry then! ;D
Seriously though, the only times I've been more annoyed than now was after the embarrassing loss against Carlton in the "100K at the G" centenary celebration game of 2008, and then again in Round 1 2009 (both losses to Carlscum), given the way the game (and season) was pumped up by the club. Both times made me furious because of the way the club had promoted them as huge games and told everyone to get out in force, WHICH WE DID, only to go home bitterly disappointed.
I've been a member and have gone to most home games since I was 7 years old (2001), and over that time there's been countless times I've made the long trip home disgusted with the way the Tigers had played. I'm sure, if I bothered to look over our scores from the last 10 years, there'd be a number of times where I'd remember being particularly annoyed. I know that supporters who have been around a lot longer than me would say exactly the same thing, and fortunately for me I'm not old enough to remember the '80s and '90s. But what makes the last 4 weeks the worst is that in the first half of the season, the players did show some really promising signs, they were playing some good footy, and they were showing what appeared to be some genuine fight and passion for the club! All of that has just gone by the wayside over the last 4 weeks, and the worst part is, the majority of the 22 out on the park don't even look like they give a damn! I feel sorry for the small group of players who are still giving it their all, because their half-hearted team-mates are letting them down.
After I left the Carlton game at 3 quarter time to catch the early train, an old man walked past me and said "I've been a Tigers supporter for 80 years, and that was the worst I've ever seen the Tigers play". He was absolutely spot on. We've gone nowhere from the Wallace era of kicking backwards and making basic skill errors, despite any progress that might have been made towards the end of last season and the first half of this season.
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Take a look at my avatar pic. I was pretty angry then! ;D
Seriously though, the only times I've been more annoyed than now was after the embarrassing loss against Carlton in the "100K at the G" centenary celebration game of 2008, and then again in Round 1 2009 (both losses to Carlscum), given the way the game (and season) was pumped up by the club. Both times made me furious because of the way the club had promoted them as huge games and told everyone to get out in force, WHICH WE DID, only to go home bitterly disappointed.
I've been a member and have gone to most home games since I was 7 years old (2001), and over that time there's been countless times I've made the long trip home disgusted with the way the Tigers had played. I'm sure, if I bothered to look over our scores from the last 10 years, there'd be a number of times where I'd remember being particularly annoyed. I know that supporters who have been around a lot longer than me would say exactly the same thing, and fortunately for me I'm not old enough to remember the '80s and '90s. But what makes the last 4 weeks the worst is that in the first half of the season, the players did show some really promising signs, they were playing some good footy, and they were showing what appeared to be some genuine fight and passion for the club! All of that has just gone by the wayside over the last 4 weeks, and the worst part is, the majority of the 22 out on the park don't even look like they give a damn! I feel sorry for the small group of players who are still giving it their all, because their half-hearted team-mates are letting them down.
After I left the Carlton game at 3 quarter time to catch the early train, an old man walked past me and said "I've been a Tigers supporter for 80 years, and that was the worst I've ever seen the Tigers play". He was absolutely spot on. We've gone nowhere from the Wallace era of kicking backwards and making basic skill errors, despite any progress that might have been made towards the end of last season and the first half of this season.
totally agree with you
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I'm not going to judge Conca v Heppell yet but I am concerned that we keep drafting red heads.
We need more wogs.
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I am indifferent to the losses now
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My emotions at the moment are turning more towards disillusionment rather than anger.
We (Richmond supporters) are not stupid.We can do simple math....2 finals campaigns in 29 years is completely illogical.
We have seen every other AFL team go through the usual peaks and troughs....but not us -we are permanently in the "trough"
We have seen Carlton , a team that was severely crippled for salary cap breaches (cheating) go roaring past us.
Over the past month we have witnessed a Richmond team devoid of any real leadership playing with minimal spirit...a classic example of a team of "down hill skiers"
When will the embarrassment end ?
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My emotions at the moment are turning more towards disillusionment rather than anger.
Fair call. Very much a case of "here we go again..."
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In some respects it is like Groundhog day but unfortunately Richmond has always found a new way to embarass itself. The loss to Gold Coast is just another example
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Well, in answer to the title of this thread, YES. The day so called Tiger supporters spat on Danny Frawly. Most of our misery is driven by our own supporters demands in the past and the club panicking to to fix it up quickly. The club has rid itself of a myopic view forward and so should we.
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Wallet era wins easily.
Hardwick is still picking up the pieces so if I am angry now, it's still with Waller/Miller.
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Wallet era wins easily.
Hardwick is still picking up the pieces so if I am angry now, it's still with Waller/Miller.
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Snip! :banghead
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Heard some gutless ball-wart on SEN this arvo call in to discuss how he he'd ripped up his RFC membership and joined the suns.
Good riddance you soft piece of poo. Enjoy going for a plastic, soulless club from the most plastic, soulless place in Australia.
:wallywink
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Well, in answer to the title of this thread, YES. The day so called Tiger supporters spat on Danny Frawly. Most of our misery is driven by our own supporters demands in the past and the club panicking to to fix it up quickly. The club has rid itself of a myopic view forward and so should we.
My fondest Frawley memory came the week after he announced he was quitting, we played Brisbane at the Gabba and I was in the aisle Frawley had to travel up after the game.
We ran Brisbane who were a powerhouse at that stage to about 10 points and as he came up the aisle I said 'Bad Luck Danny' and gave a thumbs up.
Our eyes met and he gave a little nod and a half smile at which point I channelled Daryl Kerrigan and said 'You idiot'.
Good times.
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Heard some gutless ball-wart on SEN this arvo call in to discuss how he he'd ripped up his RFC membership and joined the suns.
Good riddance you soft piece of poo. Enjoy going for a plastic, soulless club from the most plastic, soulless place in Australia.
:wallywink
Some real losers around hey!
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Our eyes met
Frawley is cock eyed, it was probably his bad eye looking at you