One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 12, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
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I know you're all hanging out for this ;D :outtahere
"Plough to have a look at Rich and WCE lists on Trade Week Radio". Sometime between 3-5pm.
Click here to listen: http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/2010/offseason/trw/twr2012.html
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I wonder if he'll say we're locked and loaded for finals?
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Lack of JON
Pick 9 a JON type
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Has he analysed it yet?
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Has he analysed it yet?
Nup.
He's doing West Coast first after the break.
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TWR terry wallace doing a list analysis on richmond coming up
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Has he analysed it yet?
Nup.
He's doing West Coast first after the break.
Of course
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TWR terry wallace doing a list analysis on richmond coming up
"When we were building a list when I was at Richmond......"
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Follow Terry on Twitter..
https://twitter.com/Listdestroyer
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They've got Brett Moloney on next so the list analysis of Richmond won't be until sometime b/w 4-5pm.
I've got to pop out so if anyone is listening to TWR and can summarise what is said about us it will be much appreciated :).
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They've got Brett Moloney on next so the list analysis of Richmond won't be until sometime b/w 4-5pm.
I've got to pop out so if anyone is listening to TWR and can summarise what is said about us it will be much appreciated :).
All he said was "When I was at Richmond we were so poor that I had to paint the change rooms myself"
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Follow Terry on Twitter..
https://twitter.com/Listdestroyer
:clapping :lol
https://twitter.com/TheListMangler
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They've got Brett Moloney on next so the list analysis of Richmond won't be until sometime b/w 4-5pm.
I've got to pop out so if anyone is listening to TWR and can summarise what is said about us it will be much appreciated :).
All he said was "When I was at Richmond we were so poor that I had to paint the change rooms myself"
:rollin
It's not like the Doggies would have been rolling in money when he coached there. Yet he blames our lack of money for him failing.
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They've got Brett Moloney on next so the list analysis of Richmond won't be until sometime b/w 4-5pm.
I've got to pop out so if anyone is listening to TWR and can summarise what is said about us it will be much appreciated :).
All he said was "When I was at Richmond we were so poor that I had to paint the change rooms myself"
Funny that Plough. You made us poor while we made you rich.
Do you wonder why we call you Wallet?
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Here he goes.... :bow
Need more depth he says.
Foley super important.
He says we're ready to take the next step. All the numbers point towards us taking the next step. We're lacking poise.
Martin and Vickery need to step up.
Says we are finally ready for finals. Barrett is laughing.
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Beat me to it wayne :thumbsup
* Biggest change - getting the right top up players. Ethos change when he arrived at Punt Rd we decided to not trade first round picks. Now they have a specialist in Hartley to search for experienced players. The issue wasn't the up-talent as we know the kids like Cotch would develop into top players but the lack of depth and experience due to the misses at the draft years ago.
* Need Foley up and running. With Cotch, Lids as stars and Tucky it allows Foley to get out of the tag loop. Need him to play finals.
* Need Martin and Vickery to step up. Haven't done so in past 12 months.
* Depth still an issue. Griffiths, Astbury & Post - need two of those to come on. Likewise with smalls Conca, Ellis, Bathelor and White.
* Backline can be chopped up once it gets through their zone defence. Chaplin and Grimes important as genuine defenders.
* KPIs all in the top 6. However didn't have poise, experience and know-how to get the job done. Lost the unlosable games not just once but as we saw 3 weeks in a row.
* Ready for finals if Chaplin, Grimes, Vickery, Martin etc can become the players they can be.
* Barrett said we've heard that all before. Wallace said he never believed/mentioned finals before. This is the first time he genuinely beliefs Richmond can make it.
* Plough expects us to finish in the bottom-half of the top 8 (ie. 5th-8th).
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Eat a D.. Barrett
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* Barrett said we've heard that all before. Wallace said he never believed/mentioned finals before. This is the first time he genuinely beliefs Richmond can make it.
Locked and loaded. (well someone had to)
Cheers for the summary O-E.
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Barrett was laughing..
What's he laughing at doesn't he follow Norfz
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Barrett should take a big mouthfull of dirt so he knows what the rest of his life is going to taste like watching us stomp his pooful team.
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Barrett is a flog.
When people of his ilk start spewing the we've heard it all before line you know that's the last bastion of the manipulating turd- desperation.
Scenario we win our first half dozen or so and he will be swimming in his vomit hoping we still fail to make the 8.
Desperate Damo and the Footy Show Fornicators.
Tomorrow on OER we analyse the first three years of Wallet's tenure vs Dimma's tenure. :thumbsup
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Wallet was more successful in his first 3 years. :lol
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Wallet was more successful in his first 3 years. :lol
Statistically yes. Dimma hasn't won a wooden spoon nor coached any 157 point losses.
Nor will he.
Wallet the Wankee Warrior.
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Give Wallet a break, it was all apart of the plan.
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Wallet was more successful in his first 3 years. :lol
Statistically yes. Dimma hasn't won a wooden spoon nor coached any 157 point losses.
Nor will he.
Wallet the Wankee Warrior.
Yes but Dimma has coached a 103 point loss to the cheaters. :shh
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Give Wallet a break, it was all apart of the plan.
The plan to nowhere. :lol :rollin :lol
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Wallet was more successful in his first 3 years. :lol
Statistically yes. Dimma hasn't won a wooden spoon nor coached any 157 point losses.
Nor will he.
Wallet the Wankee Warrior.
Yes but Dimma has coached a 103 point loss to the cheaters. :shh
And a 108 point loss to the Cats in 2010. Your point Johnny?
Dimma is well ahead of Wallet at this stage and the sad indictment is this is had Nayf not broken his leg in 2005 and he continued his form and we made token finals in that era Wallet would not have left in 2009 and right now we would be where the Dees were and are. Nowhere.
Keep the Wallet appreciation going lads. :thumbsup
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You're blind if you don't acknowledge Terry is the reason we're on the right track. Best coach in our history after Tommy
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Snip! Okay back to the topic ppl. Leave the personal chit-chat for PMs.
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Here's the link to the audio of Wallace's list analysis on Richmond for those that missed it:
http://www.crocmedia.com.au/2012/10/12/terry-wallace-list-analysis-on-richmond/
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Desperate Damo and the Footy Show Fornicators.
;D
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Give Wallet a break, it was all apart of the plan.
Delivered us Cotchin and Martin on a silver platter. :shh
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Looking at our list and what it will look like starting round 1 next year, I would say for the first time in a long long time (over a decade) our list is starting to return to a good balance. There's a couple of oldies, a thickish senior core that has gained close to 100 games experience each (although still some obvious names need to go) and a decent splattering of youth still come through the ranks (more to come on draft day). The one noticeable con. is our thin ruck division if Maric goes down :help.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2013 (start of the season)
31: Tuck (162)
30: Newman (214)
29: King (87)
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28: -
27: Foley (120), Jackson (123), I.Maric (98 ), Chaplin (140)
26: Deledio (172), Graham (48 ), McGuane (93), White (89), Knights (96)
25: Derickx (2), Grigg (86), Nahas (77)
24: Edwards (109), Houli (70 ), Morris (21), Riewoldt (112)
23: Cotchin (86), Rance (66), Post (30)
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22: Astbury (24), Vickery (54)
21: Batchelor (30), Dea (21), Griffiths (18 ), Grimes (17), Helbig (15), Martin (63)
20: Conca (35), Elton (1)
19: Arnot (-), Ellis (21), O'Hanlon (8 ), Darrou# (-), Verrier# (-)
18: new draftees
Oldies: 3
Prime: 19
Youth: 15 + new draftees
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 5
50-99: 12
25-49: 4
1-25: 10
Yet to debut: 3 + new draftees
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 4 - Derickx (201), Graham (201), I.Maric (200), Vickery (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 6 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Post (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 4 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McGuane (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 9 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), O'Hanlon (189), Tuck (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Martin (187), Verrier# (187), Dea (186)
Mids (181-185): 8 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), Knights (184), Newman (183), Edwards (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), White (180), Foley (178 ), King (178 ), Nahas (176)
Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Graham (106), I.Maric (102), Derickx (100), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 8 - Astbury (93), Post (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), Elton (92), McGuane (92), Tuck (92), Grimes (91)
85-89: 9 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), Dea (85), Grigg (85)
80-84: 11 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), King (82), White (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), Edwards (80)
sub80: 2 - Verrier# (76), Nahas (72)
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Big kpps is a weak area, thus Chaplins recruitment, still we are weak there though.
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We have none a few years back
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I've heard Terry Wallace had to paint his own nails when he first came to the club. These duties were later attended to by Greg Miller.
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Thank's for putting this together MT. :thumbsup
As much about player size as it is about experience I think. The weight analysis is the area I'm always keen to look at along with the experience/games played. I think this is the true indicators to where you are at as a team. Generally, players don't get to play 100+ games unless they are capable so the more of these players we have the more successful our team will be as a rule.
Additionally, player weight indicates to me player strength and ability to compete one out against opponents. Players like Vickery and Grimes are still a little under weight and therefore are able to compete on a level playing field against opposition players. The fact that they are able to often beat their opponents already gives me some real hope going forward. Conca and Ellis are another two in a similar vein though Eliis is heavier than I thought he would be.
I'm glad we have added two more experienced and solid units to the list. :cheers
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We have none a few years back
True very true, we are getting better but gee we could still get better with KPPs
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Geez Darrou is a big lump of a lad. To be 190cm and 97kg at 19 is pretty impressive. Can anyone shed some light on his Burger Form and if he has the ability to step up this year?
Luke McGuane at 92 kg's????? :o Was this measured during a piggy back?
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Geez Darrou is a big lump of a lad. To be 190cm and 97kg at 19 is pretty impressive. Can anyone shed some light on his Burger Form and if he has the ability to step up this year?
He's just fat man
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Geez Darrou is a big lump of a lad. To be 190cm and 97kg at 19 is pretty impressive. Can anyone shed some light on his Burger Form and if he has the ability to step up this year?
Luke McGuane at 92 kg's????? :o Was this measured during a piggy back?
Yes, Darrou loves a burger. HJs, Meccas, Greasy Joes the list is endless.
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Geez Darrou is a big lump of a lad. To be 190cm and 97kg at 19 is pretty impressive. Can anyone shed some light on his Burger Form and if he has the ability to step up this year?
Luke McGuane at 92 kg's????? :o Was this measured during a piggy back?
Yes, Darrou loves a burger. HJs, Meccas, Greasy Joes the list is endless.
Apparently Krispy Kremes too
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Thank's for putting this together MT. :thumbsup
As much about player size as it is about experience I think. The weight analysis is the area I'm always keen to look at along with the experience/games played. I think this is the true indicators to where you are at as a team. Generally, players don't get to play 100+ games unless they are capable so the more of these players we have the more successful our team will be as a rule.
Additionally, player weight indicates to me player strength and ability to compete one out against opponents. Players like Vickery and Grimes are still a little under weight and therefore are able to compete on a level playing field against opposition players. The fact that they are able to often beat their opponents already gives me some real hope going forward. Conca and Ellis are another two in a similar vein though Eliis is heavier than I thought he would be.
I'm glad we have added two more experienced and solid units to the list. :cheers
I agree being heavy is important, that's why when bomber Thompson went back to the dons they tried to bulk up. Its a collision game and Hardwick is doing the right thing recruiting heavier players. I was so sick of us being a bunch of little titch's and getting pushed off the ball.
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Exactly we are no longer a team of skinny flankers with a sprinkling of ageing KPP.
We are now a much heavier side with a lot more skill and some depth too. :thumbsup
No quick fixes.
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Geez Darrou is a big lump of a lad. To be 190cm and 97kg at 19 is pretty impressive. Can anyone shed some light on his Burger Form and if he has the ability to step up this year?
Luke McGuane at 92 kg's????? :o Was this measured during a piggy back?
Yes, Darrou loves a burger. HJs, Meccas, Greasy Joes the list is endless.
He might be on the heavierside but its easier to turn someone like Darrou into Jono Brown than someone like Fiona.
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Geez Darrou is a big lump of a lad. To be 190cm and 97kg at 19 is pretty impressive. Can anyone shed some light on his Burger Form and if he has the ability to step up this year?
Luke McGuane at 92 kg's????? :o Was this measured during a piggy back?
Yes, Darrou loves a burger. HJs, Meccas, Greasy Joes the list is endless.
He might be on the heavierside but its easier to turn someone like Darrou into Jono Brown than someone like Fiona.
He's going to need to skip like the bitch in your avatar to turn into jono brown
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:)
Update
Looking at our list and what it will look like starting round 1 next year, I would say for the first time in a long long time (over a decade) our list is starting to return to a good balance. There's a couple of oldies, a thickish senior core that has gained close to 100 games experience each (although still some obvious names need to go) and a decent splattering of youth still come through the ranks (more to come on draft day). The one noticeable con. is our thin ruck division if Maric goes down :help.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2013 (start of the season)
31: Tuck (162)
30: Newman (214)
29: King (87)
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28: -
27: Foley (120), Jackson (123), I.Maric (98 ), Chaplin (140)
26: Deledio (172), Graham (48 ), McGuane (93), White (89), Knights (96)
25: Derickx (2), Grigg (86), Nahas (77)
24: Edwards (109), Houli (70 ), Morris (21), Riewoldt (112)
23: Cotchin (86), Rance (66), Post (30)
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22: Astbury (24), Vickery (54)
21: Batchelor (30), Dea (21), Griffiths (18 ), Grimes (17), Helbig (15), Martin (63)
20: Conca (35), Elton (1)
19: Arnot (-), Ellis (21), O'Hanlon (8 ), Darrou# (-), Verrier# (-)
18: new draftees
Oldies: 3
Prime: 19
Youth: 15 + new draftees
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 5
50-99: 12
25-49: 4
1-25: 10
Yet to debut: 3 + new draftees
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 4 - Derickx (201), Graham (201), I.Maric (200), Vickery (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 6 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Post (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 4 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McGuane (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 9 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), O'Hanlon (189), Tuck (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Martin (187), Verrier# (187), Dea (186)
Mids (181-185): 8 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), Knights (184), Newman (183), Edwards (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), White (180), Foley (178 ), King (178 ), Nahas (176)
Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Graham (106), I.Maric (102), Derickx (100), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 8 - Astbury (93), Post (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), Elton (92), McGuane (92), Tuck (92), Grimes (91)
85-89: 9 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), Dea (85), Grigg (85)
80-84: 11 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), King (82), White (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), Edwards (80)
sub80: 2 - Verrier# (76), Nahas (72)
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:)
Update
Only change is Gus gone. So we have one less 'ruckman' :nope on our list, one less player in his 'prime' :whistle and one less player over 100kgs. In other words the list needs remain the same. We need to find another ready-made ruckman who could step in if Maric were to go down; our KPPs are inexperienced although recruiting Chaplin helps one end of the ground as far as tall defenders; tall forwards are still unknowns and we rely heavily on Jack; our small forwards aren't classy enough to mesmerize opposition defenders nor have enough scoreboard impact to give oppostion coaches headaches; and we need to add a couple of more A-grade or at least consistent B to B+ grade midfielders to our midfield rotation especially if the AFL is about to bring in 2 subs and/or cap bench rotations in 2014.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2013 (start of the season)
31: Tuck (162)
30: Newman (214)
29: King (87)
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28: -
27: Foley (120), Jackson (123), Maric (98 ), Chaplin (140)
26: Deledio (172), McGuane (93), White (89), Knights (96)
25: Derickx (2), Grigg (86), Nahas (77)
24: Edwards (109), Houli (70 ), Morris (21), Riewoldt (112)
23: Cotchin (86), Rance (66), Post (30)
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22: Astbury (24), Vickery (54)
21: Batchelor (30), Dea (21), Griffiths (18 ), Grimes (17), Helbig (15), Martin (63)
20: Conca (35), Elton (1)
19: Arnot (-), Ellis (21), O'Hanlon (8 ), Darrou# (-), Verrier# (-)
18: new draftees
Oldies: 3
Prime: 18
Youth: 15 + new draftees
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 5
50-99: 11
25-49: 4
1-25: 10
Yet to debut: 3 + new draftees
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 3 - Derickx (201), Maric (200), Vickery (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 6 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Post (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 4 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McGuane (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 9 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), O'Hanlon (189), Tuck (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Martin (187), Verrier# (187), Dea (186)
Mids (181-185): 8 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), Knights (184), Newman (183), Edwards (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), White (180), Foley (178 ), King (178 ), Nahas (176)
Weight (kg)
100+: 4 - Maric (102), Derickx (100), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 8 - Astbury (93), Post (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), Elton (92), McGuane (92), Tuck (92), Grimes (91)
85-89: 9 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), Dea (85), Grigg (85)
80-84: 11 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), King (82), White (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), Edwards (80)
sub80: 2 - Verrier# (76), Nahas (72)
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Update post-trade period .....
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2013 (start of the season)
31: Tuck (162)
30: Newman (214)
29: King (87), A.Edwards (82)
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28: -
27: Foley (120), Jackson (123), Maric (98 ), Chaplin (140)
26: Deledio (172), McGuane (93), White (89), Knights (96)
25: Derickx (2), Grigg (86), Nahas (77)
24: S.Edwards (109), Houli (70 ), Morris (21), Riewoldt (112)
23: Cotchin (86), Rance (66), Post (30)
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22: Astbury (24), Vickery (54)
21: Batchelor (30), Dea (21), Griffiths (18 ), Grimes (17), Helbig (15), Martin (63)
20: Conca (35), Elton (1)
19: Arnot (-), Ellis (21), O'Hanlon (8 ), Darrou# (-), Verrier# (-)
18: new draftees
Oldies: 4
Prime: 18
Youth: 15 + new draftees
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 5
50-99: 12
25-49: 4
1-25: 10
Yet to debut: 3 + new draftees
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 3 - Derickx (201), Maric (200), Vickery (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 6 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Post (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 4 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McGuane (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 9 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), O'Hanlon (189), Tuck (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Martin (187), Verrier# (187), Dea (186)
Mids (181-185): 9 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), A.Edwards* (184), Knights (184), Newman (183), S.Edwards (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), White (180), Foley (178 ), King (178 ), Nahas (176)
* - not really a mid.
Weight (kg)
100+: 4 - Maric (102), Derickx (100), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 9 - Astbury (93), Post (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), McGuane (92), Tuck (92), Grimes (91)
85-89: 9 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), Dea (85), Grigg (85)
80-84: 11 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), King (82), White (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)
sub80: 2 - Verrier# (76), Nahas (72)
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Update post-National draft.....
The draft seems to have been used to boost the number of teens at the bottom of our list so we'll continue to have a significant number of kids coming through in the coming years with no more age brackets. We also seem to have targetted needs (at least on paper) - another mid (Vlastuin) who'll most likely be Tucky's successor; a developing ruck who'll probably be sight unseen over the next 3-4 years (playing more senior footy as Maric gets older; another tall (although FJ says we want him to become a mid who plays back); and a small goalkicking forward in McDonough.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2013 (start of the season)
31: Tuck (162)
30: Newman (214)
29: King (87), A.Edwards (82)
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28: -
27: Foley (120), Jackson (123), Maric (98 ), Chaplin (140)
26: Deledio (172), McGuane (93), White (89), Knights (96)
25: Derickx (2), Grigg (86), Nahas (77)
24: S.Edwards (109), Houli (70 ), Morris (21), Riewoldt (112)
23: Cotchin (86), Rance (66), Post (30)
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22: Astbury (24), Vickery (54)
21: Batchelor (30), Dea (21), Griffiths (18 ), Grimes (17), Helbig (15), Martin (63)
20: Conca (35), Elton (1)
19: Arnot (-), Ellis (21), O'Hanlon (8 ), Vlastuin (-), McIntosh (-), McDonough (-), Darrou# (-), Verrier# (-)
18: McBean (-)
Oldies: 4
Prime: 18
Youth: 19
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 5
50-99: 12
25-49: 4
1-25: 10
Yet to debut: 7
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 4 - McBean (203), Derickx (201), Maric (200), Vickery (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 6 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Post (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 5 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McGuane (192), McIntosh* (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 10 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), O'Hanlon (189), Tuck (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Martin (187), Verrier# (187), Dea (186), Vlastuin (186)
Mids (181-185): 9 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), A.Edwards** (184), Knights (184), Newman (183), S.Edwards (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 7 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), White (180), McDonough (179), Foley (178 ), King (178 ), Nahas (176)
* - to be played as a tall mid
** - not really a mid
Weight (kg)
100+: 4 - Maric (102), Derickx (100), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 9 - Astbury (93), Post (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), McGuane (92), Tuck (92), Grimes (91)
85-89: 12 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85)
80-84: 12 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), White (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)
sub80: 2 - Verrier# (76), Nahas (72)
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Updated post all drafts .....
Looks like we went for a spread of players with the rookie draft to try and cover a number of bases. Added a 30 y.o. ruck, 26 y.o defensive mid, 24 y.o. midsized-forward and a 18 y.o. mid.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2013 (start of the season)
31: Tuck (162)
30: Newman (214), Stephenson# (8 )
29: King (87), A.Edwards (82)
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28: -
27: Foley (120), Jackson (123), Maric (98 ), Chaplin (140)
26: Deledio (172), McGuane (93), White (89), Knights (96), Lonergan# (79)
25: Derickx (2), Grigg (86), Nahas (77)
24: S.Edwards (109), Houli (70 ), Morris (21), Riewoldt (112), Petterd# (54)
23: Cotchin (86), Rance (66)
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22: Astbury (24), Vickery (54)
21: Batchelor (30), Dea (21), Griffiths (18 ), Grimes (17), Helbig (15), Martin (63)
20: Conca (35), Elton (1)
19: Arnot (-), Ellis (21), O'Hanlon (8 ), Vlastuin (-), McIntosh (-), McDonough (-), Darrou# (-), Verrier# (-)
18: McBean (-), Williams# (-), Simon# (-)
Oldies: 5
Prime: 19
Youth: 21
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 5
50-99: 14
25-49: 3
1-25: 11
Yet to debut: 9
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 5 - McBean (203), Derickx (201), Maric (200), Vickery (200), Stephenson# (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 5 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 5 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McGuane (192), McIntosh* (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 10 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), O'Hanlon (189), Tuck (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Martin (187), Verrier# (187), Dea (186), Vlastuin (186)
Mids (181-185): 12 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), Petterd# (185), Williams# (185), A.Edwards** (184), Knights (184), Newman (183), S.Edwards (182), Lonergan# (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 8 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), White (180), McDonough (179), Foley (178 ), King (178 ), Nahas (176), Simon# (172)
* - to be played as a tall mid
** - not really a mid
Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Stephenson# (104), Maric (102), Derickx (100), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 8 - Astbury (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), McGuane (92), Tuck (92), Grimes (91)
85-89: 14 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Williams# (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85), Petterd# (85)
80-84: 13 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), White (82), Foley (81), Lonergan# (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)
sub80: 3 - Verrier# (76), Nahas (72), Simon# (71)
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Well done, best delete Posty from it though
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Thank u
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Well done, best delete Posty from it though
Ta taz. Fixed.
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No Gideon Simon. No party.
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;D
G-Sim is going to make D-Rod look like a half-eaten chocolate cobber
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No Gideon Simon. No party.
Fixed. He's there now :cheers.
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No Gideon Simon. No party.
Fixed. He's there now :cheers.
good work
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Update post-trade/FA period 2013:
- Cleared out some fringe players from the core age bracket while adding Hampson.
- Core age bracket is now an experienced group. Only Astbury and Morris (late starter to AFL level) have played less than 50 games.
- Number of 100+ gamers has increased from 8 to 12 (9 between 100-150).
- Further improvement dependent on 20-23 age bracket which we have been getting games into while still reaching the finals this year.
- Gideon Simon is now our only player under 80kg.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2014 (start of the season)
31: Newman (233), Stephenson# (14)
30: King (105), A.Edwards (91)
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28: Foley (136), Jackson (146), Maric (118 ), Chaplin (162)
27: Deledio (195), Knights (101)
26: Grigg (109), Hampson (63)
25: S.Edwards (129), Houli (91), Morris (43), Riewoldt (134), Petterd (66)
24: Cotchin (108 ), Rance (89)
23: Astbury (29), Vickery (75)
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22: Batchelor (39), Dea (24), Griffiths (19), Grimes (26), Helbig (16), Martin (86)
21: Conca (52), Elton (1)
20: Arnot (4), Ellis (42), O'Hanlon (8 ), Vlastuin (18 ), McIntosh (-), McDonough (1), Darrou# (-)
19: McBean (-), Williams# (-), Simon# (-)
18: 2014 draftees
Oldies: 4
Prime: 17
Youth: 18 + new draftees
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 9
50-99: 8
25-49: 5
1-25: 9
Yet to debut: 5 + new draftees
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 5 - McBean (203), Hampson (201), Maric (200), Vickery (200), Stephenson# (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 5 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 4 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McIntosh* (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 8 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), O'Hanlon (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Martin (187), Dea (186), Vlastuin (186)
Mids (181-185): 11 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), Petterd (185), Williams# (185), A.Edwards** (184), Knights (184), Newman (183), S.Edwards (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), McDonough (179), Foley (178 ), King (178 ), Simon# (172)
* - to be played as a tall mid
** - not really a mid
Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Stephenson# (104), Hampson (102), Maric (102), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 6 - Astbury (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), Grimes (91)
85-89: 14 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Williams# (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85), Petterd (85)
80-84: 11 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)
sub80: 1 - Simon# (71)
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:bluesbros :clapping
Mt
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locked and loaded
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Its all up to the development coaches now. If we really are going to be a good side the growth will come from the Youth and they've had a couple of years in them so we will see pretty soon.
This lot below get to 40+ games this year and ought to influence games by the end of the year or earlier, Martin, Vlastun, Conca and Ellis already do really.
Astbury (29), Batchelor (39), Dea (24), Griffiths (19), Grimes (26), Helbig (16), Conca (52), Ellis (42),Vlastuin (18 )
Interesting thought what if out of those 17 Youth only 4 make it by 2 years, say Martin, Vlastun, Ellis and Conca.
What would this prove?
Would this prove we have bad development coaches or bad recruiters. Would we implode like we used to, sack everyone, decimate the ranks of the playing list and generally have a hissy fit. Total Tank time to get another Cotchin?
OR
Would we be calmer this time around. Continue with recruiting from other clubs to keep ourselves competitive, adjust our internal structure . Replace some of our dev coaches, invest more in recruitment, probably replacing a few recruiters. etc.
I suppose I'm asking how mature do people think we are as a club now? Would Benny Gale stay?
Eh this is just musings, idle chit chat nothing more.
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nice work mt. for me i break it down just a little different as far as the actual list structure goes.
imo we need
1 junior genuine ruckman. should have 4.
2 tall forwards should have 6 as a minimum we have numbers but lack a certain type, quality, and what you would call genuine key forward.
3 genuine mids . two hard running quick and polished more outside and 1 inside. should have as a minimum 16 genuine mids first and foremost.
positionally i break the list down thus
rucks- stephenson 31 and needs to be replaced, maric 28, hampson 26, imo they are ruckmen first and foremost. just 3 and ones a battling 31yo.
for/ruck - vickery 23, mcbean 19. to my way of thinking they are more kpps than ruckmen. i cant see either ever being a combative #1 ruck. so thats 2 for/rucks 3 if you include hampson more than enough.
tall forwards - riewoldt 25, astbury 23, griffiths 22, elton 21. really need a tall quick agile good marking good kicking tall forward jonathon marsh would suit us to a tee. we could also do with a real big dominant kpf with astbury,griffiths, and elton all struggling to date. if none manage to step up it will leave a huge hole.
tall defenders - chaplain 28, rance 24, grimes 22, mcintosh 20, darrou 20. i make that 5 we need at least 1 more gorilla if you like.
tall/med/sml mids - mids first and formost. - foley 28, jackson 28, deledio 27, knights 27, grigg 26, cotchin 24, helbig 22, martin 22, conca 21, arnot 20, ellis 20, vlastuin 20, williams 19.
these are genuine mids whose primary role is to play midfield a lot can play on the flanks. for me we need at least 3 more.
specialist flankers forwards - king 30, a edwards 30, possibly knights 27, s edwards 25, petterd 25, ohanlon 20, mc donough 20, simon 19. mcdonough and knights may become regular mids.
even if thjey do we have too many in this area we only need 4 at the most.
specialist flankers defenders - newman 31, houli 25, morris 25, batchelor 22, dea 22, peeterd again too many only need 3 or 4.
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good work in advance cyclops / mt
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good work in advance cyclops / mt
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:lol
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good work in advance cyclops / mt
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LOL.
Patience grasshopper! ;)
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theres only one line to describe what we have done.
They think we are contenders and we are LOCKED and LOADED. :o
it gf or bust time at richmond.
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theres only one line to describe what we have done.
They think we are contenders and we are LOCKED and LOADED. :o
it gf or bust time at richmond.
Let's just win a final first ok pal
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theres only one line to describe what we have done.
They think we are contenders and we are LOCKED and LOADED. :o
it gf or bust time at richmond.
Claw, you are incredible.
Over the last few years we have drafted more kids than most. Last year we went for senior rookies. This year in a shallow draft we took a couple of 23 year olds and some more mature rookies.
We also have had to recruit for our VFL side. If you only recruit 18 year olds the VFL side will be pulverised. No development can occur if you are losing by over 100 points each week. We have youngsters Lennon, McDonough, MacBean, O'Hanlon, etc etc etc. We already have enough youngsters to develop. Our recruiting hasn't been that bad considering we were a basket case not that long ago and have improved even in the times of compromised drafts to the point of not only making finals but now expecting to make finals regularly.
Just wait a little before you go over the top in your criticism of the clubs recruiting. Maybe they'll surprise you again.
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Over the last few years we have drafted more kids than most. Last year we went for senior rookies. This year in a shallow draft we took a couple of 23 year olds and some more mature rookies.
We also have had to recruit for our VFL side. If you only recruit 18 year olds the VFL side will be pulverised. No development can occur if you are losing by over 100 points each week. We have youngsters Lennon, McDonough, MacBean, O'Hanlon, etc etc etc. We already have enough youngsters to develop. Our recruiting hasn't been that bad considering we were a basket case not that long ago and have improved even in the times of compromised drafts to the point of not only making finals but now expecting to make finals regularly.
Just wait a little before you go over the top in your criticism of the clubs recruiting. Maybe they'll surprise you again.
Over the last four years we've taken 18 juniors and 21 older players (Gordon, Lloyd, Banfield, Miles, Thomas, Knights, Chaplin, A Edwards, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson, I Maric, Morris, A Maric, Derickx, Gourdis, Grigg, Houli, Jakobi, Miller and Hislop).
We have recruited 21 players for the VFL team already. If they are only needed for the VFL recruit them to the VFL list.
According to the VFL rules there is a limit of 12 AFL players per team so they will not be only 18 year olds.
Your excuse for picking delisted players onto an AFL list is that they'll be good for the VFL team. :banghead
BTW we have played ONE final in over TEN years.
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Over the last few years we have drafted more kids than most. Last year we went for senior rookies. This year in a shallow draft we took a couple of 23 year olds and some more mature rookies.
We also have had to recruit for our VFL side. If you only recruit 18 year olds the VFL side will be pulverised. No development can occur if you are losing by over 100 points each week. We have youngsters Lennon, McDonough, MacBean, O'Hanlon, etc etc etc. We already have enough youngsters to develop. Our recruiting hasn't been that bad considering we were a basket case not that long ago and have improved even in the times of compromised drafts to the point of not only making finals but now expecting to make finals regularly.
Just wait a little before you go over the top in your criticism of the clubs recruiting. Maybe they'll surprise you again.
Over the last four years we've taken 18 juniors and 21 older players (Gordon, Lloyd, Banfield, Miles, Thomas, Knights, Chaplin, A Edwards, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson, I Maric, Morris, A Maric, Derickx, Gourdis, Grigg, Houli, Jakobi, Miller and Hislop).
We have recruited 21 players for the VFL team already. If they are only needed for the VFL recruit them to the VFL list.
According to the VFL rules there is a limit of 12 AFL players per team so they will not be only 18 year olds.
Your excuse for picking delisted players onto an AFL list is that they'll be good for the VFL team. :banghead
BTW we have played ONE final in over TEN years.
What we did 10 years ago has no bearing on what we did this year do why include it?
Many of the mature recruits have either been rookies or swaps for 3rd round picks. This year was the first time we used a second rounder to swap.
I think that is shrewd trading.
As I have said, we were a basket case 4 years ago. The current team of recruiters can only be judged on what they are doing not what Wallace etc did.
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theres only one line to describe what we have done.
They think we are contenders and we are LOCKED and LOADED. :o
it gf or bust time at richmond.
Claw, you are incredible.
Over the last few years we have drafted more kids than most. Last year we went for senior rookies. This year in a shallow draft we took a couple of 23 year olds and some more mature rookies.
We also have had to recruit for our VFL side. If you only recruit 18 year olds the VFL side will be pulverised. No development can occur if you are losing by over 100 points each week. We have youngsters Lennon, McDonough, MacBean, O'Hanlon, etc etc etc. We already have enough youngsters to develop. Our recruiting hasn't been that bad considering we were a basket case not that long ago and have improved even in the times of compromised drafts to the point of not only making finals but now expecting to make finals regularly.
Just wait a little before you go over the top in your criticism of the clubs recruiting. Maybe they'll surprise you again.
whats incredible is ben lennon aside they have ignored every other kid in the country.
no we have not drafted more kids than most we would be going at about 3 . 5 kids per draft since hardwick came to the club. that includes rookies.
mate no one has pushed the mature barrow around here harder than me especially the state league barrow. thing is its not just about juniors and its not just about mature players. what its about is finding every yr the right balance between the two and being smart where you take players.
it most certainly is not about building a vfl side. which by the way before this trade/draft period had plenty of experience. quality well thats another matter all together.
for yrs now ive mnentioned till im blue in the face on here you take kids with your 1st 2nd 3rd rounders and target your mature players after that unless of course its a high quality mature player your going for.
can anyone name just one high quality mature player we have taken since hardwick took over. we have targeted in the main battlers and strugglers. players finding it hard to get a game luckily for us some like big ivan has worked out. chapman who is exactly the same player with us that he was at port has worked out. hes nothing special hes just better than anything we had.morris has filled a real need.
as for the number of kids and the quality of them id say in the main we probably have less kids than most other sides. our list is not young. how many juniors do we have? what is a junior anyway? for me 21 and under and i count 12 including lennon.
to redans list of mature players you can add cousins, farmer, nason, webberley, plus rookies nahas, browne, roberts, gilligan?, polak.
while i disagree with a lot that have been taken, as i said if taken in the right place with little cost i dont have a problem with any of them. what i think is madness though is ignoring the nd with what id call decent picks its not a process any club can afford to go thru.
locked and loaded and they bring this on by their own actions. they had damn well want to at the very least finish top 4 because i for one will not be forgiving them if they dont.
imo we just had the worst trade/draft period of any club and we have done just about nothing to look after the long term. they had want to hope ben lennon is something special.
finally francis jackson has been there since 05 and i would argue strongly his record is poor.he can certainly be judged on his nine yr overall record.
his strike rate with any nd pick outside of the first round is nothing short of abysmal. the strike rate with mature players is somewhat better but would be going at less than 50% and thats with mature blokes who you really should not be getting wrong when you consider the exposure they have had. its not as if you are taking unknowns.
the question i constantly ask is how much better could and should our recruitment of players have been. significantly better imo.
we have had 9 yrs of jackson and we are still bickering about weather we are a genuinr top 8 side or not.
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When I see the thread title "List analysis" with "last post by Claw" I get a tingle in the loins......
Claw puts the "anal" in analysis.
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Pretty sure it's all copy-paste because I reckon it's the same post every time. Buzz Killington is always who comes to mind
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When I see the thread title "List analysis" with "last post by Claw" I get a tingle in the loins......
One one life's unadulterated joys.
Claw puts the "anal" in analysis.
Nothing wrong with this, IMO.
In regards to football, list managment is the most important of lifes things. Even the greatest of teams and coaches wont win without the cattle.
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Update post-all drafts:
* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.
List Analysis
Age - as of April 2014 (start of the season)
31: Newman (233), Stephenson# (14)
30: King (105), A.Edwards (91)
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28: Foley (136), Jackson (146), Maric (118 ), Chaplin (162)
27: Deledio (195), Knights (101), Thomas# (87)
26: Grigg (109), Hampson (63)
25: S.Edwards (129), Houli (91), Morris (43), Riewoldt (134), Petterd (66)
24: Cotchin (108 ), Rance (89), Gordon (2), Lloyd (-)
23: Astbury (29), Vickery (75), Banfield# (53)
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22: Batchelor (39), Dea (24), Griffiths (19), Grimes (26), Helbig (16), Martin (86), Miles# (10)
21: Conca (52), Elton (1)
20: Arnot (4), Ellis (42), O'Hanlon (8 ), Vlastuin (18 ), McIntosh (-), McDonough (1), Darrou# (-)
19: McBean (-), Williams# (-)
18: Lennon (-)
Oldies: 4
Prime: 21
Youth: 19
Experience
200+ games: 1
150-199: 2
100-149: 9
50-99: 10
25-49: 5
1-25: 11
Yet to debut: 6
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 5 - McBean (203), Hampson (201), Maric (200), Vickery (200), Stephenson# (200)
Big KPPs (195-200): 5 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (190-194): 4 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McIntosh* (192), Darrou# (190)
Tall Mids (186-190): 11 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), Lennon (189), O'Hanlon (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Gordon (188 ), Martin (187), Dea (186), Thomas# (186), Vlastuin (186)
Mids (181-185): 13 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), Petterd (185), Williams# (185), A.Edwards** (184), Knights (184), Banfield# (183), Newman (183), S.Edwards (182), Ellis (181), Lloyd (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), McDonough (179), Miles# (179), Foley (178 ), King (178 )
* - to be played as a tall mid
** - not really a mid
Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Stephenson# (104), Hampson (102), Maric (102), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 7 - Astbury (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), Grimes (91), Lennon (90)
85-89: 17 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Gordon (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Thomas# (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Williams# (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85), Lloyd (85), Petterd (85)
80-84: 12 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Banfield# (83), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)
sub80: 1 - Miles# (77)
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:clapping
should sticky
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:clapping
should sticky
+1
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Update post-all drafts:
* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.
Excellent analysis MT :congrats
Really highlights why we made the 8 this year and why why should make it next. Based on age alone, the percentage of our squad sits in the 'prime' or under age so we should expect to see some fruitful times over the next few years.
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Update post-all drafts:
* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.
Excellent analysis MT :congrats
Really highlights why we made the 8 this year and why why should make it next. Based on age alone, the percentage of our squad sits in the 'prime' or under age so we should expect to see some fruitful times over the next few years.
what real need was there to bolster the 23 to 24 age bracket. i would have thought as long as you have enough players in the 23 thr 28 age bracket you have enough mature players. we dont have any 29 yr olds do we need to go and get a couple.
what tall mids ben lennon and then who. even lennon has some questions about his ability to become a permanent mid.
lloyd gordon are most certainly forwards who ccan hopefully rotate thru the middle.
as for the rookies banfield is more a forward as well. only thomas who comes with his knockers and miles who is a small can be classified as genuine mids to date.it may change but lets at least call a spade a spade and not gloss over things.
bloody hell since when did batchelor, petterd, ohanlon, dea, lloyd houli morris newman king, s edwards, gordon , a edwards , and mcdonough become first and foremost mids. you could possibly add knights there as well.
as for weight bloody hell the entire list averaged 188cm/89kg in 2013 id bet the height has shrunk and the weight a much of a much. taking nothing but mature players you would haope these areas dont go backwards.
finally of course we will target talls next draft. having ignored em this time around id say we have little choice. yet the need for genuine mids remains high.
about the only area we addressed was sml/med forwards we took them by the truck load.
as for ruckmen we cut a dead weight in derickx and replaced him with a bloke who has been nothing more than a battler to date thru his career. we sure as hell want to hope that changes.
we have atm jusrt 3 effective ruckmen maric hampson and stephenson. its pretty clear vickery is not a ruckman and will not anylonger be played as such. mcbean bloody hell if and i say if hes a ruckman hes 3 yrs away from the role. im happy to atm classify both as tall forwards thats the role they perform and until this changes or they show they can become good ruckmen its where i will logically place em.
to finish i say again as ive been saying for yrs the tall situation is dire the ruck situation almost as bad and we lack a minimum of 3 genuine mids if not more.
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Just plonked myself in a beanbag in front if the tele, remote in one hand and the claws analysis of our list in the other. Tossed the remote away
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Just plonked myself in a beanbag in front if the tele, remote in one hand and the claws analysis of our list in the other. Tossed the remote away
Sir claw
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Gordon was drafted as a midfielder. :cheers
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Gordon was drafted as a midfielder. :cheers
you know i may even concede that point,,, but only when he shows at afl level he can perform the role. from what i can gather ATM hes more forward than mid.
its another thing most ignore when we draft someone when will we be able to say yep we took so and so because he does this role and he does it bloody well. hedge bets yep thats us.
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Update post-all drafts:
* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.
Excellent analysis MT :congrats
Really highlights why we made the 8 this year and why why should make it next. Based on age alone, the percentage of our squad sits in the 'prime' or under age so we should expect to see some fruitful times over the next few years.
what real need was there to bolster the 23 to 24 age bracket. i would have thought as long as you have enough players in the 23 thr 28 age bracket you have enough mature players. we dont have any 29 yr olds do we need to go and get a couple.
All fringe players but we delisted 5 from our "prime" bracket and have since brought in 5 to replace them. So it could argued the club is trying to maintain the same quota with our 23-28 year olds.
what tall mids ben lennon and then who. even lennon has some questions about his ability to become a permanent mid.
lloyd gordon are most certainly forwards who ccan hopefully rotate thru the middle.
as for the rookies banfield is more a forward as well. only thomas who comes with his knockers and miles who is a small can be classified as genuine mids to date.it may change but lets at least call a spade a spade and not gloss over things.
bloody hell since when did batchelor, petterd, ohanlon, dea, lloyd houli morris newman king, s edwards, gordon , a edwards , and mcdonough become first and foremost mids. you could possibly add knights there as well.
My 'Mids' definition relates as much to mid-sized players which includes onballers, flankers, wingmen, utilities, etc ...
as for weight bloody hell the entire list averaged 188cm/89kg in 2013 id bet the height has shrunk and the weight a much of a much. taking nothing but mature players you would haope these areas dont go backwards.
It's probably not noticeable over the past year but there has been a definite shift towards bigger bodied mids since Dimma's first season in 2010.
finally of course we will target talls next draft. having ignored em this time around id say we have little choice. yet the need for genuine mids remains high.
about the only area we addressed was sml/med forwards we took them by the truck load.
Our small and mid-sized forwards let us down regularly so I understand the Club targeting them over the offseason. You only have to revisit the Elim. Final to see the crop we had this year had no idea where to position themselves in relation to our tall forwards. Being dront and square is a foreign concept to them :banghead. It can be argued that the Club has recruited so many in the quest to find a couple of decent small/mid-sized forwards out of the whole recruiting batch.
A Tiger-supporter caller to SEN on the weekend actually asked Rohan Connolly about this. Rohan reckons Dimma may be wanting to copy a Sydney-like forward line structure with two talls surrounded by marking mid-sized forwards with good footskills who know where the goals are (hence the drafting of Lennon).
as for ruckmen we cut a dead weight in derickx and replaced him with a bloke who has been nothing more than a battler to date thru his career. we sure as hell want to hope that changes.
Carlton arguably did worse. They've effectively swapped Hampson with Cam Wood :huh3.
we have atm jusrt 3 effective ruckmen maric hampson and stephenson. its pretty clear vickery is not a ruckman and will not anylonger be played as such. mcbean bloody hell if and i say if hes a ruckman hes 3 yrs away from the role. im happy to atm classify both as tall forwards thats the role they perform and until this changes or they show they can become good ruckmen its where i will logically place em.
to finish i say again as ive been saying for yrs the tall situation is dire the ruck situation almost as bad and we lack a minimum of 3 genuine mids if not more.
I agree that if Maric goes down for a lengthy period then our rucks stocks will be severely tested. None of the others have carried the majority of the ruckwork load for any significant length of time.
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If any side's premier ruckman goes down their other rucks will be severely tested.
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Gordon was drafted as a midfielder. :cheers
you know i may even concede that point,,, but only when he shows at afl level he can perform the role. from what i can gather ATM hes more forward than mid.
its another thing most ignore when we draft someone when will we be able to say yep we took so and so because he does this role and he does it bloody well. hedge bets yep thats us.
How many players are drafted as purely midfielders these days? There's a reason we don't draft many. Unless they are absolute top notch quality then they are basically useless at AFL level. You need to be able to do more than 1 thing at the top level.
As for Gordon he started the year as a mid and racked up possessions then played forward and kicked goals through the middle of the season.
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If any side's premier ruckman goes down their other rucks will be severely tested.
Who would have thought :lol
WC and Freo probably the 2 that would survive.
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Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Stephenson# (104), Hampson (102), Maric (102), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 7 - Astbury (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), Grimes (91), Lennon (90)
85-89: 17 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Gordon (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Thomas# (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Williams# (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85), Lloyd (85), Petterd (85)
80-84: 12 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Banfield# (83), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)
sub80: 1 - Miles# (77)
Where are you getting the data for these weights from ?
The HS had Lennon as being 79kgs when we drafted him. Doubt he's put on 11kgs in two weeks ? Not even Gerks after Xmas lunch can put on 11 kegs that quickly. RFC website has Lennon listed at 80kg
RFC website has Foley listed at 79kgs not 81 , Ellis at 81kg not 83 , Gordon at 83kg not 87 , Knights at 84kgs not 87.....and they're the only ones I checked.
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Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Stephenson# (104), Hampson (102), Maric (102), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)
95-99: 2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)
90-94: 7 - Astbury (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), Grimes (91), Lennon (90)
85-89: 17 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Gordon (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Thomas# (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Williams# (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85), Lloyd (85), Petterd (85)
80-84: 12 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Banfield# (83), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)
sub80: 1 - Miles# (77)
Where are you getting the data for these weights from ?
The HS had Lennon as being 79kgs when we drafted him. Doubt he's put on 11kgs in two weeks ? Not even Gerks after Xmas lunch can put on 11 kegs that quickly. RFC website has Lennon listed at 80kg
RFC website has Foley listed at 79kgs not 81 , Ellis at 81kg not 83 , Gordon at 83kg not 87 , Knights at 84kgs not 87.....and they're the only ones I checked.
The newbies' figures came from the AFL draft tracker on draft day but I see they've been changed since :-\. Most of the rest come from the stats.rleague/afl website. When I get a chance, I'll update the figures using the RFC website ones as they are most likely the up-to-date figures.
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lappin [deledio] - black [cotchin] - hart [conca] - voss [vlastuin] - aka [martin] - brown [riewoldt]
johnson [ellis] - c scott [morris] - caracella [lennon] - ashcroft [jackson] - pike [tuck] [arnot] - white [mcbean] - power [knights] - b scott [dea] - bradshaw [vickery] - leppitsch [rance] - lynch [griffiths] - keating [maric] - michael [chaplin] - charman [hampson]
- notting [grigg] - headland [s edwards] - mcrae [foley] - mcdonald [orren] - copland [mcintosh] - mcgrath [gordon] - hadley [helbig] - shattock (??) [houli]
:shh
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Geez some of that Brisbane team is disgustingly bad. 7 of the last 8 are poo but had 1 or 2 good years at the right time for them to win it. Macrae was pretty good.
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who the stuff is shattock :huh
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who the stuff is shattock :huh
A spud. Did he actually play in a flag?
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just goes to show, you don't need a team full of a and b graders, its impossible to attain. Every team has a handful of role players
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Champion Data rates our list the 4th best for 2014 ....
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-list-analysis-has-reigning-afl-premiers-hawthorn-ahead-of-the-pack/story-fndv8os9-1226777876749#mm-breached
1. Hawthorn
2. Sydney
3. West Coast
4. Richmond
5. Adelaide
6. Fremantle
7. North Melb.
8. Essendon
10. Collingwood
16. St Kilda
17. Melbourne
18. GWS
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Id like to see us bring in 6 kids via the National Draft next season including 2 kpp 1 ruck and 3 mids. We are looking pretty thin now in the 17/18/19 yo bracket.
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Id like to see us bring in 6 kids via the National Draft next season including 2 kpp 1 ruck and 3 mids. We are looking pretty thin now in the 17/18/19 yo bracket.
at least 2/3 are quality
but i agree
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Id like to see us bring in 6 kids via the National Draft next season including 2 kpp 1 ruck and 3 mids. We are looking pretty thin now in the 17/18/19 yo bracket.
Considering you need to be 18 in your draft year I'd imagine most clubs are thin on 17 year olds. :lol
But agreed. Drafting some 23yo's covers the poo of 2008 and gives us a chance to clear out some 2009/10 draftees.
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OUr list is stuffed, we are finishing below Melbourne this year
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Update post-all drafts:
* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.
Excellent analysis MT :congrats
Really highlights why we made the 8 this year and why why should make it next. Based on age alone, the percentage of our squad sits in the 'prime' or under age so we should expect to see some fruitful times over the next few years.
what real need was there to bolster the 23 to 24 age bracket. i would have thought as long as you have enough players in the 23 thr 28 age bracket you have enough mature players. we dont have any 29 yr olds do we need to go and get a couple.
All fringe players but we delisted 5 from our "prime" bracket and have since brought in 5 to replace them. So it could argued the club is trying to maintain the same quota with our 23-28 year olds.
what tall mids ben lennon and then who. even lennon has some questions about his ability to become a permanent mid.
lloyd gordon are most certainly forwards who ccan hopefully rotate thru the middle.
as for the rookies banfield is more a forward as well. only thomas who comes with his knockers and miles who is a small can be classified as genuine mids to date.it may change but lets at least call a spade a spade and not gloss over things.
bloody hell since when did batchelor, petterd, ohanlon, dea, lloyd houli morris newman king, s edwards, gordon , a edwards , and mcdonough become first and foremost mids. you could possibly add knights there as well.
My 'Mids' definition relates as much to mid-sized players which includes onballers, flankers, wingmen, utilities, etc ...
as for weight bloody hell the entire list averaged 188cm/89kg in 2013 id bet the height has shrunk and the weight a much of a much. taking nothing but mature players you would haope these areas dont go backwards.
It's probably not noticeable over the past year but there has been a definite shift towards bigger bodied mids since Dimma's first season in 2010.
finally of course we will target talls next draft. having ignored em this time around id say we have little choice. yet the need for genuine mids remains high.
about the only area we addressed was sml/med forwards we took them by the truck load.
Our small and mid-sized forwards let us down regularly so I understand the Club targeting them over the offseason. You only have to revisit the Elim. Final to see the crop we had this year had no idea where to position themselves in relation to our tall forwards. Being dront and square is a foreign concept to them :banghead. It can be argued that the Club has recruited so many in the quest to find a couple of decent small/mid-sized forwards out of the whole recruiting batch.
A Tiger-supporter caller to SEN on the weekend actually asked Rohan Connolly about this. Rohan reckons Dimma may be wanting to copy a Sydney-like forward line structure with two talls surrounded by marking mid-sized forwards with good footskills who know where the goals are (hence the drafting of Lennon).
as for ruckmen we cut a dead weight in derickx and replaced him with a bloke who has been nothing more than a battler to date thru his career. we sure as hell want to hope that changes.
Carlton arguably did worse. They've effectively swapped Hampson with Cam Wood :huh3.
we have atm jusrt 3 effective ruckmen maric hampson and stephenson. its pretty clear vickery is not a ruckman and will not anylonger be played as such. mcbean bloody hell if and i say if hes a ruckman hes 3 yrs away from the role. im happy to atm classify both as tall forwards thats the role they perform and until this changes or they show they can become good ruckmen its where i will logically place em.
to finish i say again as ive been saying for yrs the tall situation is dire the ruck situation almost as bad and we lack a minimum of 3 genuine mids if not more.
I agree that if Maric goes down for a lengthy period then our rucks stocks will be severely tested. None of the others have carried the majority of the ruckwork load for any significant length of time.
1/delisted fringe players or not, where was the great need to add 23 and 24 yr olds sto the list. with delistings and before the trade nd periods we still had 19 players aged 23 or more.
we also had another 5 who would turn 23 after the start of next season. was there really a need to target this age group with so many as you put it fringe players.imo no there wasnt.
2/ so in effect your mid definition is not specific and does include a shedload of players who are nothing more than flankers and players who spend little time in the midfield. my whole point is we do not have enough mids but too many flankers and part time mids.
3/ theres been a big shift toward bigger bodied mids and flankers for many yrs now by most clubs. we a barely catching up.
4/ agree our sml mids let us down in a big way. they have for yrs. why take so many though is a very legit question. sml forwards dont win you games of footy.
if the need was so great i ask again why not chapman and further develop the likes of mcdonough and take lloyd as a rookie. i dont believe you take limited sml/med forwards to the detrimnent of all other areas. do you.
5/ carlton have taken wood as nothing more than backup.yet one could say they rate wood better.i think with their ruck stocks now getting a bit low their situation is a bit like how we have orren.
thing is they have both warnock and kruezer hence why they could let hampson go. both are infinately better players to date than hampson.and both are only 24 and 26 yrs of age.
sydneys forward set up is very tall they use 4 talls with just two sml medium type forwards. im not quite sure what model of theirs we are supposed to be following.
6/we have just 3 ruckmen and we agree about where those capable of playing ruck are at.
i still firmly believe we need a young big bodied ruckman of marics ilk in our system right now and he should only be 22 23 at the most .i would also like a rookie ruckman as well.
stephenson 31 yr old and its not unfair to say hes a vfl ruckman. he has what just one more yr and thats being fair.
maric 28yo a bloke who has chronic groin problems whos career is likely to be on the short side rather than long. he could be gone in two yrs time and we do need to plan for this scenario now.not next yr or when he actually retires.
hampson 26yo who lets be totally honest has struggled to establish himself in 7 yrs at carlton. exactly what do we have here. the way our ruck stocks are we really cant afford to have him fail or the cupboard will be bare before you can blink. itslike we are putting all our ruck eggs in one very risky basket.
its funny we can take lots of sml/med forwards but we cant properly address ruck needs and kpp needs yet alone genuine mid needs.
it really is yep we sure can do with a decent mid or three but lets only take forwards who may or may not become mids at the level.
we sure could do with some more kpps with the way those we have are developing but no lets get some more sml forwards its laughable.
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I dunno where to start after your latest tirade of posts :santa
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Champion Data rates our list the 4th best for 2014 ....
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-list-analysis-has-reigning-afl-premiers-hawthorn-ahead-of-the-pack/story-fndv8os9-1226777876749#mm-breached
1. Hawthorn
2. Sydney
3. West Coast
4. Richmond
5. Adelaide
6. Fremantle
7. North Melb.
8. Essendon
10. Collingwood
16. St Kilda
17. Melbourne
18. GWS
shhhh be vewy vewy quiet and dont tell the claw.. he pop a foofa valve
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Lol @ WC 3rd. :lol
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I dunno where to start after your latest tirade of posts :santa
tirade, what freakin tirade. ah this time of yr i go stir crazy usually gets me in strife as well. ffs bring back the footy.
trouble is between now and about 12 weeks time it gets worse.
in all honesty its just a bit of fun im always looking at ways to make people look at both sides of the coin. this time of yr optimism reigns and im at my worst/best.
yes im telling the lot of ya. open ya freakin eyes, dont swallow all that codswallop they feed ya. use your minds i say, and think for yourselves if its at all possible. ya snivelling bunch of tragics.
:lol
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Now that's a tirade to be proud of. :clapping :cheers
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Analysis of Richmond's list from Inside Football:
Small/medium defenders: Newman, Morris, Vlastuin, Batchelor, McIntosh, Dea
Tall defenders: Rance, Grimes, Chaplin, Astbury, Darrou#
Midfielders: Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Ellis, Conca, Jackson, Arnot, Grigg, S.Edwards, Foley, Helbig, Gordon, Williams#, Miles#, Thomas#
Small/medium forwards: King, Knights, O'Hanlon, McDonough, Lennon, Lloyd, A.Edwards, Banfield#
Tall forwards: Riewoldt, Vickery, McBean
Rucks: Maric, Hampson, Stephenson#
Swingmen: Elton, Griffiths, Petterd, Houli
... what Robert Shaw says
Had to wait patiently while a star-studded list of onballers was read out on draft night. Don't underestimate Ben Lennon at pick 12, though; he's good enough to play forward but has the running capacity for the midfield. I don't reckon they wanted to lose Matt White, but Nahas was superfluous to needs. I can see value in Shaun Hampson from Carlton. He gets his arms higher than anyone in the comp so the Tigers just have to make him a better mark. He sends Ty Vickery forward and eases the load on Ivan Maric. Internal development is the key; a reality check for some players in their first final.
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OUr list is stuffed, we are finishing below Melbourne this year
I was just drinking a can of coke when I read this and its just come through my nose. Thanx ;D
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Lol @ WC 3rd. :lol
Id be very happy to play the WCE in a Grand Final on the last day of September next year :gotigers
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The full list of average AFL games per club in 2014 is:
1. Fremantle 71
2. Sydney 69
2. Carlton 69
4. North Melb. 67
5. Collingwood 65
5. Hawthorn 65
7. West Coast 64
8. Richmond 62
9. Essendon 61
10. Geelong 60
11. St Kilda 58
12. Brisbane 57
13. W.Bulldogs 56
14. Adelaide 55
15. Port Adel. 54
16. Melbourne 47
17. Gold Coast 45
18. GWS Giants 34
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-02-28/tigers-gameaverage-growth
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That's a good sign :thumbsup
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who the stuff is shattock :huh
A spud. Did he actually play in a flag?
Yes
He had a good game too
Player K HB D M G B T HO FF FA
Nigel Lappin 17 11 28 4 0 1 3 0 1 1
Michael Voss 22 4 26 6 1 2 6 0 1 2
Simon Black 8 14 22 1 1 0 5 0 0 2
Shaun Hart 16 3 19 5 1 1 4 0 0 1
Chris Scott 12 5 17 5 0 0 0 0 3 0
Jason Akermanis 9 6 15 3 1 2 1 0 1 0
Marcus Ashcroft 10 4 14 10 0 0 1 0 0 0
Brad Scott 13 1 14 5 0 0 4 0 0 3
Jonathan Brown 8 6 14 5 1 0 1 1 2 2
Tim Notting 7 7 14 5 0 0 2 0 0 0
Des Headland 11 2 13 5 0 0 4 0 1 2
Chris Johnson 9 4 13 6 0 0 2 0 0 0
Luke Power 10 3 13 3 0 0 1 0 0 1
Martin Pike 8 4 12 3 0 0 2 0 0 2
Alastair Lynch 9 0 9 6 4 2 0 1 1 2
Mal Michael 7 2 9 3 0 0 1 2 1 2
Darryl White 7 2 9 5 0 0 2 5 2 1
Craig McRae 6 1 7 2 1 3 2 0 1 0
Clark Keating 4 3 7 2 0 0 1 39 2 0
Justin Leppitsch 5 1 6 3 0 0 2 0 0 3
Aaron Shattock 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Beau McDonald 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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who the stuff is shattock :huh
A spud. Did he actually play in a flag?
Yes
He had a good game too
Player K HB D M G B T HO FF FA
Nigel Lappin 17 11 28 4 0 1 3 0 1 1
Michael Voss 22 4 26 6 1 2 6 0 1 2
Simon Black 8 14 22 1 1 0 5 0 0 2
Shaun Hart 16 3 19 5 1 1 4 0 0 1
Chris Scott 12 5 17 5 0 0 0 0 3 0
Jason Akermanis 9 6 15 3 1 2 1 0 1 0
Marcus Ashcroft 10 4 14 10 0 0 1 0 0 0
Brad Scott 13 1 14 5 0 0 4 0 0 3
Jonathan Brown 8 6 14 5 1 0 1 1 2 2
Tim Notting 7 7 14 5 0 0 2 0 0 0
Des Headland 11 2 13 5 0 0 4 0 1 2
Chris Johnson 9 4 13 6 0 0 2 0 0 0
Luke Power 10 3 13 3 0 0 1 0 0 1
Martin Pike 8 4 12 3 0 0 2 0 0 2
Alastair Lynch 9 0 9 6 4 2 0 1 1 2
Mal Michael 7 2 9 3 0 0 1 2 1 2
Darryl White 7 2 9 5 0 0 2 5 2 1
Craig McRae 6 1 7 2 1 3 2 0 1 0
Clark Keating 4 3 7 2 0 0 1 39 2 0
Justin Leppitsch 5 1 6 3 0 0 2 0 0 3
Aaron Shattock 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Beau McDonald 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
And I always used to think his name ended in "on". :lol
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And I always used to think his name ended in "on". :lol
It does. Aaron. :whistle
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And I always used to think his name ended in "on". :lol
It does. Aaron. :whistle
:lol :clapping
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And I always used to think his name ended in "on". :lol
It does. Aaron. :whistle
:lol :clapping
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List is stuffed, Ramps start up the rebuild is a failure thread please
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The full list of average AFL games per club in 2014 is:
1. Fremantle 71
2. Sydney 69
2. Carlton 69
4. North Melb. 67
5. Collingwood 65
5. Hawthorn 65
7. West Coast 64
8. Richmond 62
9. Essendon 61
10. Geelong 60
11. St Kilda 58
12. Brisbane 57
13. W.Bulldogs 56
14. Adelaide 55
15. Port Adel. 54
16. Melbourne 47
17. Gold Coast 45
18. GWS Giants 34
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-02-28/tigers-gameaverage-growth
whats the average number of players used. all clubs have at least 44 players but depending on injury some may only play 30 - 35 players.
me i tend to look at the average games of your best 22 or even 25 players those players who are most likely to play more than half the games.
we played 36 players only 23 played half the games or more. those 23 or best 23 significantly boost our ave each week. for example we averaged 104 games in our elimination final.
in some clubs this disparity can be huge look at hawthorn in the g/f their list ave is 65 but their g/f side averaged 142 games.
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List is stuffed, Ramps start up the rebuild is a failure thread please
Itll be coming back shortly if we lose to Carlton ;D
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List is stuffed, Ramps start up the rebuild is a failure thread please
Itll be coming back shortly if we lose to Carlton ;D
Good stuff it should really get interesting around here if we lose round 2
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we currently have 12 players whose contract ends this yr. imo all are expendable if need be. i hope like hell we are not re-signing any of these blokes until the end of the season. imo we will need to cut all up about 10 players come season end.
imo we will need to find the following after we cull the dead wood.most likely we wont be able to address all needs.
2 ruckmen. id cut big o and look to find a 24yo and a rookie.
2 tall forwards. desperately need a gunston type and a big power forward.
2 tall defenders. desperatly need a big powerful fb who can play 1v1. would also be looking for a good junior to play chb in a few yrs.
3 mids. 1 big inside mid, two quick running mids who have good size and who have real good footskills and can find a bit of ball if need be.we need blokes who can run the lines and hurt with ball in hand
1 specialist flanker. still chasing a real clever fwd and skilled hard at it rebounding defender.
those out of contract are
dea, hes injured and unless he can get on the park and stake a claim id say hes gone.
batchelor, to many weaknesses and is superfluous to needs imo. to small to play on the big blokes and too slow to play on the smls. just not clean and continually fumbles.
a edwards, with lennon and hopefully ohanlon around the place at 31 id be hoping we are at least looking to retire him depending on how things go.
s edwards, imo would have trade value hes had long enough. no polish and too many mediocre performances.
helbig, if he cant crack a game and show something at the level hes in big trouble in yr 4.
king, retire him hes what 30 31 and not good enough.
newman 32yo who doesnt really have an effective role to play anymore. too slow to play on sml for isnt a mid and i reckon he is just taking games away from developing forwards like lennon lloyd even banfield.
petterd, delist just so ordinary why we even rookied him yet alone promoted him is way beyond me.
ohanlon , young and had injury would like to keep but the fact hes done so little and is out of contract could see him in strife.
arnot , would like to keep but i do have issues with him we have too many who lack polish as it is.
rookies
stephenson, delist/retire cant see the logic in keeping him this yr with hampson on board. we should really be developing a young rookie ruckman here.
darrou 3 yrs on the rookie list has to stake a claim at least for promotion or face the cut. because of the state of our tall stocks im loath to cut any tall atm.
williams another i like and he missed last yr basically. but hes going to have to show something or be in trouble.
two others id be shopping around if things dont improve are grigg and foley. unlike some around here ive had a bit of time for foley but he no longer performs an inside role. hes just not skilled enough for a running role imo again it comes bach to that polish issue. grigg yep his run is great but ffs you need more than that in todays game.to be so poor in almost every other area of the game is laughable. give ellis his job and just pee the weak prick off and find players who are prepared to everything thats needed at the level.
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Agree with most of that Santa....except Bach was German, not Polish.
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Would love to hear from Blair on how his recruits are travelling.
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List Analysis - 19/10/2014
Age - as of April 2015 (start of the season)
32: Newman (251)
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29: Foley (154), Maric (132), Chaplin (185)
28: Deledio (214), Knights (101), Thomas# (100)
27: Grigg (124), Hampson (74)
26: S.Edwards (152), Houli (114), Morris (64), Petterd (83), Riewoldt (157)
25: Cotchin (131), Gordon (14), Lloyd (8 ), Rance (107)
24: Astbury (37), Vickery (87)
23: Batchelor (52), Dea (31), Griffiths (35), Grimes (45), Martin (108 ), Miles (23)
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22: Conca (71), Elton (1)
21: Arnot (8 ), Ellis (65), McDonough (8 ), McIntosh (-), Vlastuin (38 )
20: McBean (-)
19: Lennon (7), Soldo# (-)
18: new draftees ....
Oldies: 1 (-3 from 2014)
Prime: 25 (+4)
Youth: 10 + new draftees (-9) .... we have 4 draft picks to come.
Experience
200+ games: 2 (+1 from 2014)
150-199: 4 (+2)
100-149: 8 (-1)
50-99: 7 (-3)
25-49: 5
1-25: 7 (-4)
Yet to debut: 3 + new draftees (-3) ....... 4 draft picks to come.
Height (cm)
Rucks (200+): 6 - Soldo# (204), McBean (202), Hampson (201), Griffiths (200), Maric (200), Vickery (200)
Big KPPs (195-199): 4 - Elton (197), Astbury (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)
KPPs (191-194): 3 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McIntosh* (192)
Tall Mids (186-190): 9 - Grigg (190), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Lennon (188 ), Martin (187), Vlastuin (187), Dea (186), Gordon (186), Thomas# (186)
Mids (181-185): 8 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Morris (185), Petterd (185), Knights (184), Newman (183), S.Edwards (182), Ellis (181)
Smalls (sub 180): 6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), Lloyd (180), McDonough (180), Miles (179), Foley (178 )
* more a utility type player.
Weight (kg)
100+: 5 - Hampson (106), Soldo# (104), Maric (102), Griffiths (102), Elton (100)
95-99: 4 - Vickery (98 ), Chaplin (97), Rance (96), Astbury (95)
90-94: 3 - McBean (93), Riewoldt (92), Martin (90)
85-89: 11 - Deledio (89), Grimes (89), McIntosh (89), Batchelor (88 ), Thomas# (87), Arnot (86), Dea (86), Gordon (86), Grigg (86), Vlastuin (86), Petterd (85)
80-84: 11 - Cotchin (85), Houli (84), Ellis (84), Knights (84), Conca (83), Lloyd (83), Morris (83), McDonough (82), S.Edwards (81), Newman (81), Miles (80)
sub80: 2 - Foley (79), Lennon (77)
Positions
Small/medium defenders: Houli, Newman, Morris, Vlastuin, Batchelor, Dea
Tall defenders: Rance, Grimes, Chaplin, Astbury
Midfielders: Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Miles, Ellis, Conca, S.Edwards, Foley, Grigg, Arnot, Thomas#
Small/medium forwards: Knights, McDonough, Lennon, Lloyd, Gordon
Tall forwards: Riewoldt, Vickery, Griffiths, McBean
Rucks: Maric, Hampson, Soldo#
Swingmen: Elton, Petterd, McIntosh
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Summary
* The bulk of our list will be in the "prime" zone in 2015. We now have a mature list with a large core group between the ages of 23-29. This list should be playing finals again based on quantity. Any failure to do so will demonstrate a lack of quality and expose the holes within the list structure.
* I can see why the Club is focusing on this draft and it's nothing to do with what we did. or rather didn't, do in the trade/FA period. The number of youngsters that made up a significant chunk of our list from 2010 until now, has thinned out. By round 1, 2015, we will only have 10 Tigers (from this year) under 23 years of age. Time to re-stock with youth to prevent any future age bracket gaps.
* Midfield depth and speed required. Club says this will be remedied via the upcoming National draft.
* Ruck depth required. Still dependent on Maric staying fit on the park. Need to target another ruckman in the drafts as well.
* Forward line issues still yet unresolved. Outside of Jack, KPPs unproven/unreliable and no proven quality & reliable small forwards. Club has said previously it wants to back in those 'youngsters' coming through.
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Interesting talk back on SEN this morning, a lot of people calling in listing their bottom 4, Richmond has come up a few times and people are saying we have a talentless list. Talk back show hosts are saying we are not bottom 4 but we don't have a top 8 list either. They were also very surprised at why we were inactive in the trade period...Wow, seems there are more people saying the same things instead of looking at this club and list through rose coloured glasses.
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Interesting talk back on SEN this morning, a lot of people calling in listing their bottom 4, Richmond has come up a few times and people are saying we have a talentless list. Talk back show hosts are saying we are not bottom 4 but we don't have a top 8 list either. They were also very surprised at why we were inactive in the trade period...Wow, seems there are more people saying the same things instead of looking at this club and list through rose coloured glasses.
LMAO that you even take talk back radio half serious :lol
Not many had us in the top right at the beginning of last season either and 6 games in talkback radio had us starting a full rebuild!
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I suppose some sort of hat is in order then...
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Don't think anyone is looking at the club through rose coloured glasses.
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I suppose some sort of hat is in order then...
Yes, preferably not the same style as Francis Jackson and Dan Richardson are wearing ;)
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Interesting talk back on SEN this morning, a lot of people calling in listing their bottom 4, Richmond has come up a few times and people are saying we have a talentless list. Talk back show hosts are saying we are not bottom 4 but we don't have a top 8 list either. They were also very surprised at why we were inactive in the trade period...Wow, seems there are more people saying the same things instead of looking at this club and list through rose coloured glasses.
LMAO that you even take talk back radio half serious :lol
Not many had us in the top right at the beginning of last season either and 6 games in talkback radio had us starting a full rebuild!
Should we only listen to talk back or the radio or others opinions when they say nice fluffy things about our club???????
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I'd certainly take more notice of what the club says as opposed to talk back radio yes.
If we listend and heeded to the opinion of talk back radio Wind Hill would have been burnt to the ground 18months ago. (Not that that's a bad thing)
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Summary
* The bulk of our list will be in the "prime" zone in 2015. We now have a mature list with a large core group between the ages of 23-29. This list should be playing finals again based on quantity. Any failure to do so will demonstrate a lack of quality and expose the holes within the list structure.
* I can see why the Club is focusing on this draft and it's nothing to do with what we did. or rather didn't, do in the trade/FA period. The number of youngsters that made up a significant chunk of our list from 2010 until now, has thinned out. By round 1, 2015, we will only have 10 Tigers (from this year) under 23 years of age. Time to re-stock with youth to prevent any future age bracket gaps.
* Midfield depth and speed required. Club says this will be remedied via the upcoming National draft.
* Ruck depth required. Still dependent on Maric staying fit on the park. Need to target another ruckman in the drafts as well.
* Forward line issues still yet unresolved. Outside of Jack, KPPs unproven/unreliable and no proven quality & reliable small forwards. Club has said previously it wants to back in those 'youngsters' coming through.
* the bulk of our list has been in a prime age zone since the start of 2012.
* the club is focusing on the draft because it has neglected juniors over the past 3 yrs. our junior stocks have been relatively low right thru. and taking just 1 junior last yr did not help matters.juniors to me are aged 18 - 21.
juniors who get to this stage become development players 22 - 24. they then become mature players at or very close to their prime 25 - 28. they then become vets 29plus if their bodies have held up.
just the way i break it down. and there has been no balance the last few yrs in how we go about the list.they are now forced to take some kids its not by planning.
* midfield depth has been an issue for yrs yet we draft flankers.and we take few mids.
our trouble is there are other key areas that have to also be addressed. areas that take much longer to actually develop and get players up to standard and probably should be addressed first. it makes you wonder what blair francis and the footy dept have been doing for yrs on end.
* our ruck stocks are shizen, reality is there is just ivan, hampson is a liability and theres a kid who has to learn the game and hopefully develop. to be sure we need two ruckmen. one mature so we can pee hamspud off and a junior.
* agree fwd line issues remain. there is just riewoldt if we are honest about the roles of vickery and griffiths. we desperately need two quality tall fwds. we need a quality sml fwd as well if not two.
to top this of we also need tall defenders. athletic chb and a big fb. there is only elton and i seriously have to ask is he a kpd or will he even make it.
at least mt you acknowledge a shortage of talls most won even mention it.
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our mids genuine mids not flankers we hope can become quality mids.
grigg - we all say it and see it. we must find a more rounded and better skilled player.
arnot - some like him but reality is there are questions about him making it.
conca - no comment lets just say hes okay to save the arguments.
cotchin - tick
deledio - tick
ellis - tick i have issues with parts of his game thats as far as i will take it. we could play him and not play grigg.
foley - tick
martin - tick
miles - tick
thomas - as a rookie tick. we all want more rounded players.
to my way of thinking that is the list of genuine mids.
flankers who are capable of becoming mids
vlastuin - tick
edwards - like conca wont go there for arguments sake.
gordon - dont see it
lennon - junior fwd who may become a decent mid.
mcdonough - fwd who may be able to rotate thru the middle. ??????
even with the flankers we are about 4 short both inside and outside mids.
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Well claw if you wont go there re Conca I will.
There are players who they say can win you a premiership.Reece for mine is the opposite of that,one who quite possibly could cost you a grand final purely because of his lack of awareness and awful decision making,,,,
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Yep. His fierce at times but a very dumb footballer
Should have offloaded when we were given a chance
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Yep. His fierce at times but a very dumb footballer
Should have offloaded when we were given a chance
Hopefully both he & Vickery will be put on the table for next year's treasure hunt.
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games inside mid - outside mid - kpf - tall fwd - med fwd - sml fwd - kpd - tall def - med def - sml def - ruck - utility
0 -19 arnot 21 - ##### - ##### - #### - gordon 25 - lloyd 25
miles 23 lennon 19 mcdon 21 - elton 21 - mcintosh 20 - ##### - ##### - #### - mcbean 20 -
20 - 49 ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - astbury 24 - grimes 23 - vlasyuin 20 - ##### - #### - griffiths 23
dea 23
50 - 99 conca 22 - ellis 21 - ##### - ##### - petterd 26 - ##### - ##### - ##### - morris 26 - #### - hmpson 27 - vickery 24
batch 23 -
100 - 149 cotchin 24 - martin 23 - ##### - ##### - knights 28 - ##### - rance 25 - ##### - ##### - houli 26 - maric 29 - #####
thomas 28 - grigg 26
150 - 199 foley 29 - ##### - rwoldt 26 - ##### - ##### - edwards 26 - chaplin 29 - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
200 - 249 ##### - deledio 27 - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
250+ ##### - ###### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
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games inside mid - outside mid - kpf - tall fwd - med fwd - sml fwd - kpd - tall def - med def - sml def - ruck - utility
0 -19 arnot 21 - ##### - ##### - #### - gordon 25 - lloyd 25
miles 23 lennon 19 mcdon 21 - elton 21 - mcintosh 20 - ##### - ##### - #### - mcbean 20 -
20 - 49 ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - astbury 24 - grimes 23 - vlasyuin 20 - ##### - #### - griffiths 23
dea 23
50 - 99 conca 22 - ellis 21 - ##### - ##### - petterd 26 - ##### - ##### - ##### - morris 26 - #### - hmpson 27 - vickery 24
batch 23 -
100 - 149 cotchin 24 - martin 23 - ##### - ##### - knights 28 - ##### - rance 25 - ##### - ##### - houli 26 - maric 29 - #####
thomas 28 - grigg 26
150 - 199 foley 29 - ##### - rwoldt 26 - ##### - ##### - edwards 26 - chaplin 29 - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
200 - 249 ##### - deledio 27 - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
250+ ##### - ###### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/4OVLKQc.gif)
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(http://media.giphy.com/media/11LWFP3gzyzKxy/giphy.gif)
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WTF and LMAO
:Lol Big Willys Pic
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games inside mid - outside mid - kpf - tall fwd - med fwd - sml fwd - kpd - tall def - med def - sml def - ruck - utility
0 -19 arnot 21 - ##### - ##### - #### - gordon 25 - lloyd 25
miles 23 lennon 19 mcdon 21 - elton 21 - mcintosh 20 - ##### - ##### - #### - mcbean 20 -
20 - 49 ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - astbury 24 - grimes 23 - vlasyuin 20 - ##### - #### - griffiths 23
dea 23
50 - 99 conca 22 - ellis 21 - ##### - ##### - petterd 26 - ##### - ##### - ##### - morris 26 - #### - hmpson 27 - vickery 24
batch 23 -
100 - 149 cotchin 24 - martin 23 - ##### - ##### - knights 28 - ##### - rance 25 - ##### - ##### - houli 26 - maric 29 - #####
thomas 28 - grigg 26
150 - 199 foley 29 - ##### - rwoldt 26 - ##### - ##### - edwards 26 - chaplin 29 - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
200 - 249 ##### - deledio 27 - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
250+ ##### - ###### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
Soooooooo, did I win or....?
(http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_slideshow_large/photos/2013-May/lotto_ticket_illinois_cookie_jar.jpg)
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Well there's proof if ever I saw it that Claw looks at our list in a whole different way to the rest of us!! :huh :o :huh :o :huh :o
And thanks for the early morning laugh Willy - that pic sums it up perfectly. :lol :lol :lol
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games inside mid - outside mid - kpf - tall fwd - med fwd - sml fwd - kpd - tall def - med def - sml def - ruck - utility
0 -19 arnot 21 - ##### - ##### - #### - gordon 25 - lloyd 25
miles 23 lennon 19 mcdon 21 - elton 21 - mcintosh 20 - ##### - ##### - #### - mcbean 20 -
20 - 49 ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - astbury 24 - grimes 23 - vlasyuin 20 - ##### - #### - griffiths 23
dea 23
50 - 99 conca 22 - ellis 21 - ##### - ##### - petterd 26 - ##### - ##### - ##### - morris 26 - #### - hmpson 27 - vickery 24
batch 23 -
100 - 149 cotchin 24 - martin 23 - ##### - ##### - knights 28 - ##### - rance 25 - ##### - ##### - houli 26 - maric 29 - #####
thomas 28 - grigg 26
150 - 199 foley 29 - ##### - rwoldt 26 - ##### - ##### - edwards 26 - chaplin 29 - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
200 - 249 ##### - deledio 27 - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
250+ ##### - ###### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535)
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Can I nominate both claws post and willies as posts of the year. :clapping
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games inside mid - outside mid - kpf - tall fwd - med fwd - sml fwd - kpd - tall def - med def - sml def - ruck - utility
0 -19 arnot 21 - ##### - ##### - #### - gordon 25 - lloyd 25
miles 23 lennon 19 mcdon 21 - elton 21 - mcintosh 20 - ##### - ##### - #### - mcbean 20 -
20 - 49 ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - astbury 24 - grimes 23 - vlasyuin 20 - ##### - #### - griffiths 23
dea 23
50 - 99 conca 22 - ellis 21 - ##### - ##### - petterd 26 - ##### - ##### - ##### - morris 26 - #### - hmpson 27 - vickery 24
batch 23 -
100 - 149 cotchin 24 - martin 23 - ##### - ##### - knights 28 - ##### - rance 25 - ##### - ##### - houli 26 - maric 29 - #####
thomas 28 - grigg 26
150 - 199 foley 29 - ##### - rwoldt 26 - ##### - ##### - edwards 26 - chaplin 29 - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
200 - 249 ##### - deledio 27 - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
250+ ##### - ###### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - ##### - #### - #####
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535)
Claw, what the hell were you thinking?
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Yes i can see the humour.
i have no idea on how to do a table or grid . it was supposed to be a spread sheet. should have checked before i posted it.
any way enjoy and if if you can stop laughing for long enough and make sense of it have a look as well.
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Yes i can see the humour.
i have no idea on how to do a table or grid . it was supposed to be a spread sheet. should have checked before i posted it.
any way enjoy and if if you can stop laughing for long enough and make sense of it have a look as well.
At the end of the day Claw, you did your best.....There's no denying that ;D
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Agree, at least you have a go claw.
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this is what we have done or taken the last two seasons to date .and no, there will be no graphs to show what i mean ;D
last yr
lennon 12 should be a very good player at that pick
gordon 50. mature depth player
lloyd 66. mature depth player.
hampson traded 28. in all likelyhood a failure.
banfield r delisted.
miles r thank god for small mercies.
thomas r. mature depth player
petterd promoted rookie. another mature depth player. make no mistake over the next few yrs we will be looking to upgrade all of em bar one possibly two.
this yr
miles promoted rookie. again thank god eh.
hunt df/a. mature role player. foot soldier only imo.
nd 12. we again have to hope we get this one right.
nd 33. should be able to pick up at least a decent player. but hey we are talking jackson and his record here.
nd 52. what odds on finding a decent player here 40 50% maybe.
5 rookie picks. if we get real lucky we may find 1 good player thats just the way it is. most likely 3 spots will go to topping up depth with mature types again.
now take lennon out and miles who is a bonus and ask yourself where is the quality
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I expect / hope:
* miles to continue to be a star
* Lennon to go good, hbf would be nice to use his kicking if not too slow.
* hunt to play on a wing / tagger. If he can stop someone that is real quality enough, more so for next to free
x3 new starting 18 players , upgrade on two years ago. Granted, hampson Thomas pettard bannfield not looking too healthy.
However you expect 12 to be handy. If we can get some luck elsewhere in the draft, plus its not impossible either/both Lloyd or Gordon can come good over preseason and hold a spot down. Both pretty much in the hunt age bracket, i reckon each has shown enough they may make it. Lloyd over king/Newman, Gordon over grigg is an upgrade
Potential quarter of the senior side turn over...
We have moves on king and Jackson who were poor IMO. Ditto edwards.
Helbig and Ohanlon, have been upgraded with Gordon llyod...
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this is what we have done or taken the last two seasons to date .and no, there will be no graphs to show what i mean ;D
last yr
lennon 12 should be a very good player at that pick
gordon 50. mature depth player
lloyd 66. mature depth player.
hampson traded 28. in all likelyhood a failure.
banfield r delisted.
miles r thank god for small mercies.
thomas r. mature depth player
petterd promoted rookie. another mature depth player. make no mistake over the next few yrs we will be looking to upgrade all of em bar one possibly two.
this yr
miles promoted rookie. again thank god eh.
hunt df/a. mature role player. foot soldier only imo.
nd 12. we again have to hope we get this one right.
nd 33. should be able to pick up at least a decent player. but hey we are talking jackson and his record here.
nd 52. what odds on finding a decent player here 40 50% maybe.
5 rookie picks. if we get real lucky we may find 1 good player thats just the way it is. most likely 3 spots will go to topping up depth with mature types again.
now take lennon out and miles who is a bonus and ask yourself where is the quality
Can I ask you claw what percentage of draft picks from all clubs are quality? Im sure if you take 30% of the new faces for most clubs out (2 of the 7 new faces) then you would have little quality. Im not saying our reciting last year was good (it wasn't) but you just cant take 2 out and look at the others in isolation.
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* hunt to play on a wing / tagger. If he can stop someone that is real quality enough, more so for next to free
I actually think they will try Hunt as a defensive forward in the Jake King mould. Hunt can find he goals, is very quick and tackles to hurt. Good replacement IMO
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Was suprised to see Hunt's only kicked 19 goals in 63 games. Perhaps one aspect of his game we may be expecting a little too much from.
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this is what we have done or taken the last two seasons to date .and no, there will be no graphs to show what i mean ;D
last yr
lennon 12 should be a very good player at that pick
gordon 50. mature depth player
lloyd 66. mature depth player.
hampson traded 28. in all likelyhood a failure.
banfield r delisted.
miles r thank god for small mercies.
thomas r. mature depth player
petterd promoted rookie. another mature depth player. make no mistake over the next few yrs we will be looking to upgrade all of em bar one possibly two.
this yr
miles promoted rookie. again thank god eh.
hunt df/a. mature role player. foot soldier only imo.
nd 12. we again have to hope we get this one right.
nd 33. should be able to pick up at least a decent player. but hey we are talking jackson and his record here.
nd 52. what odds on finding a decent player here 40 50% maybe.
5 rookie picks. if we get real lucky we may find 1 good player thats just the way it is. most likely 3 spots will go to topping up depth with mature types again.
now take lennon out and miles who is a bonus and ask yourself where is the quality
Can I ask you claw what percentage of draft picks from all clubs are quality? Im sure if you take 30% of the new faces for most clubs out (2 of the 7 new faces) then you would have little quality. Im not saying our reciting last year was good (it wasn't) but you just cant take 2 out and look at the others in isolation.
hmm we have done this before and it has degenerated... . lets just say first rounders you must be looking for a very good player long term if not elite.
second round id be hoping for a good to v/good player. if im looking at mature players and have a long history to judge by im looking for nothing less than a good player otherwise why chase em.
then you have role players. sometimes the role player is invaluable. as a stopper lets hope hunt is one.
mate i have done the whole poo and caboodle on here, ive advocated state leaguers especially those that meet criteria that i have regularly set out, ive advocated mature players like chappy, martin, goddard even bradshaw, and those that are still juniors like hallahan, and at every turn there have been those who argue to the death how wrong it is.
ive continually argued we stay in the nd especially first second and even third rounds and take kids thus giving us the best chance of getting quality kids, but when the club only takes one junior in the nd that process is poo poohed by many on here.
mate its not about one yr going down a certain path and the next going down another its all about a continuous and balanced process that must be gone thru every yr.
yes your right not all picks can be high quality but im not just going on about high quality how nice would it be to just get our hands on 4 or 5 players every yr who range thru just plain decent thru verygood or even elite if we are lucky.
imo as a club we need to find every yr at least 4 good to elite players just to tread water.
so i apologise it is wrong to phrase things as just finding quality.
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4 new, elite players on the list pet year, is dreaming.
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4 new, elite players on the list pet year, is dreaming.
can i just suggest you have a little re read.
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4 new, good to elite players on the list pet year, is dreaming.
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General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson's comments on the state of our current list:
"A lot of people forget, if you go through and analyse our list, particularly our key players, it’s still quite young and it’s still developing. Even if you project forward to 2017 and beyond, particularly two or three years away, there are not too many players that you would say won’t be around due to age. So our list is young, and we still think there’s scope for improvement. We’ve got to keep improving, we know that. We think improvement can come from within. We’re confident that what we’ve seen over the summer will highlight that this year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-25/tigers-have-an-eye-to-the-future
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I think we are still the 9th youngest list
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4 new, elite players on the list pet year, is dreaming.
is it. fail to do it and the very best you can hope for is to tread water. we turned over 9 players this yr id be bitterly disappointed if i was replacing them and i couldnt find 4 good to very good players.
i would like us to use 4 or 5 picks in the nd as a minimum every yr unless we trade for a good player.i would expect at least two of those 4 or 5 picks to be good or better. i certainly expect any traded player to be at least good and the same applies to f/as. throw in the fact that every two yrs you will turn over somewhere between 6 to 10 rookies if you cant find at least two decent players you should not be in the job.
if cory ellis and menadue turn out to be good players hunt and lambert as mature recruits go alright then we have another what 5 nd and rookie picks to find just one player to take us above 4 good to very good players. it isnt hard imo especially when this yr the average number of players cut from every side was nearly 9 per club 8.67 in fact.with f/a, trades, mature picks from state leagues, and the nd and rookie draft every club will be aiming for better than 50% success rate.most will achieve it.under francis jackson we have rarely achieved it.
ive said this before. if the average for an afl player is 10 yrs then just to tread water over that time frame you need to find 4 players every yr just to break even.if its less than 10 yrs then you have to find more than 4 players.
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General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson's comments on the state of our current list:
"A lot of people forget, if you go through and analyse our list, particularly our key players, it’s still quite young and it’s still developing. Even if you project forward to 2017 and beyond, particularly two or three years away, there are not too many players that you would say won’t be around due to age. So our list is young, and we still think there’s scope for improvement. We’ve got to keep improving, we know that. We think improvement can come from within. We’re confident that what we’ve seen over the summer will highlight that this year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-25/tigers-have-an-eye-to-the-future
reading that article makes me cringe.i can pick holes in it everywhere but cant be bothered atm. why are we kidding ourselves. geez the first club i looked at was adelaide they had 34 players aged 25 and under and richardson is crowing about how many again. not one mention of the quality and likelihood of players making it. not one mention of the holes that will have to be filled in two yrs time and beyond.
theres real spin here and things are made to look rosy when the opposite is true.
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im still shocked hes playing his comments in regards to key forwards and Lloyd
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General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson's comments on the state of our current list:
"A lot of people forget, if you go through and analyse our list, particularly our key players, it’s still quite young and it’s still developing. Even if you project forward to 2017 and beyond, particularly two or three years away, there are not too many players that you would say won’t be around due to age. So our list is young, and we still think there’s scope for improvement. We’ve got to keep improving, we know that. We think improvement can come from within. We’re confident that what we’ve seen over the summer will highlight that this year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-25/tigers-have-an-eye-to-the-future
reading that article makes me cringe.i can pick holes in it everywhere but cant be bothered atm. why are we kidding ourselves. geez the first club i looked at was adelaide they had 34 players aged 25 and under and richardson is crowing about how many again. not one mention of the quality and likelihood of players making it. not one mention of the holes that will have to be filled in two yrs time and beyond.
theres real spin here and things are made to look rosy when the opposite is true.
pettard hampson grigg newman thomas gordon chaplin foley knights etc.
the list is not that young
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General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson's comments on the state of our current list:
"A lot of people forget, if you go through and analyse our list, particularly our key players, it’s still quite young and it’s still developing. Even if you project forward to 2017 and beyond, particularly two or three years away, there are not too many players that you would say won’t be around due to age. So our list is young, and we still think there’s scope for improvement. We’ve got to keep improving, we know that. We think improvement can come from within. We’re confident that what we’ve seen over the summer will highlight that this year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-25/tigers-have-an-eye-to-the-future
reading that article makes me cringe.i can pick holes in it everywhere but cant be bothered atm. why are we kidding ourselves. geez the first club i looked at was adelaide they had 34 players aged 25 and under and richardson is crowing about how many again. not one mention of the quality and likelihood of players making it. not one mention of the holes that will have to be filled in two yrs time and beyond.
theres real spin here and things are made to look rosy when the opposite is true.
pettard hampson grigg newman thomas gordon chaplin foley knights etc.
the list is not that young
Looking older an older
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUzE351UwAAWbY3.jpg)
i dont know what year it is
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"i cant believe these idiots are funding my retirement account for pretending to know what i am doing"
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:lol
"I saw a great video highlights package sent by a young fellow from the Chadstone Amateur football club, really good production quality, graphics too and the whole thing set to a fantastic modern sound track.....
Now where's the play button?"
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From SEN:
Wallace said Richmond was paying the price for poor recruiting decisions “over a long period of time”.
“You look at their top-end draft selection since Dustin Martin (in 2009), you go through that group of guys — there’s about eight of them — and they really haven’t come on anywhere near the degree that you need, and that’s your top-end selections let alone your gems in the rough that you want to get.”
Richmond has held on to its first-round picks and selected players including Reece Conca (pick 6, 2010), Brandon Ellis (pick 15, 2011) and Ben Lennon (pick 12, 2013).
Brisbane champion Jonathan Brown said today Richmond had “real problems” and he couldn’t see the Tigers staging a recovery this season as they have the past two years after poor starts.
“They are 1-5, I doubt they will rebound,” he said on Nova 100.
“Trent Cotchin on the weekend broke his cheekbone, no Alex Rance at the moment as well, no Chris Yarran, the Tiges are lacking leg speed. They’ve got some real problems out there.
“They will not be playing in September this year. The will have to look closely at their list, it is not up to AFL finals standard.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/travis-cloke-talks-rumours-are-incorrect-says-richmond-football-boss/news-story/79eaff305c8e1ad4d249605db1bd30b4
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“They will not be playing in September this year. The will have to look closely at their list, it is not up to AFL finals standard.”
It's not up tp AFL standard full stop.
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From SEN:
Wallace said Richmond was paying the price for poor recruiting decisions “over a long period of time”.
“You look at their top-end draft selection since Dustin Martin (in 2009), you go through that group of guys — there’s about eight of them — and they really haven’t come on anywhere near the degree that you need, and that’s your top-end selections let alone your gems in the rough that you want to get.”
Richmond has held on to its first-round picks and selected players including Reece Conca (pick 6, 2010), Brandon Ellis (pick 15, 2011) and Ben Lennon (pick 12, 2013).
Brisbane champion Jonathan Brown said today Richmond had “real problems” and he couldn’t see the Tigers staging a recovery this season as they have the past two years after poor starts.
“They are 1-5, I doubt they will rebound,” he said on Nova 100.
“Trent Cotchin on the weekend broke his cheekbone, no Alex Rance at the moment as well, no Chris Yarran, the Tiges are lacking leg speed. They’ve got some real problems out there.
“They will not be playing in September this year. The will have to look closely at their list, it is not up to AFL finals standard.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/travis-cloke-talks-rumours-are-incorrect-says-richmond-football-boss/news-story/79eaff305c8e1ad4d249605db1bd30b4
Wallace also said that Houli had been great this year.....enough said.
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St kilda are playing paddy Pick one in reserves
Richmond are playing troy Chaplin forward
Wtf
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for some time Richmond has made decisions based on making finals
Not winning flags
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Unpopular opinion puffin: The list is pretty good
(https://memecrunch.com/image/523b35861605fb34d2000026.jpg?w=400)
Forward: Cotchin. Deledio. Rioli. Edwards. Lennon. Jack.
Mids: martin. Vlastuin. Miles. C Ellis. Mcintosh. Menadue. Lambert. Maric.
Back: rance. Grimes. Yarren. Castagna.
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It's hard watching all the recently traded ruckman running around having effective games.
Sinclair, Currie, Smith, Leuenberger just to name a few...
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It's like every club in Australia has a gun ruckman ... (Or 3 )
And then tere is Richmond with a broken Maric. An embarrassing Hampson
And a bunch of people that are not really ruckman. Griffiths. Vickery soldo. McBean
Wtf