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Title: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 23, 2012, 04:35:07 PM
McGuane to pounce on deal
By Paul Daffey
3:51 PM Tue 23 Oct, 2012


 
RICHMOND utility Luke McGuane is confident of continuing his career at Punt Rd despite the fact that he remains unsigned, according to his management.
 
McGuane's manager, Robbie D'Orazio of RCM Sports Management, told AFL.com.au he was confident his client would remain at Tigerland next season.
 
"He is a required player at Richmond and he will be there next year," he said.
 
The 25-year-old's future has been in limbo while Richmond sorts through its list requirements.
 
Ruckman Tom Derickx and key position player Jayden Post are also coming out of contract.
 
McGuane's future at Punt Rd looked grim when he was unable to break into the Tigers' line-up in the first half of 2012 despite consistent form with Coburg in the VFL.
 
He finally broke into the team in round 15 against Melbourne, after which his stocks improved.
 
He played every match for the rest of the season, mostly as a third marking option in attack, with the occasional move back to defence.


He managed a respectable 15 goals during the final nine games, shoring up his value as a depth player.



D'Orazio last month told AFL.com.au that McGuane was close to signing with the Tigers.
 
"We're expecting to reach an agreement," he said. 


Richmond was unavailable for comment on Tuesday.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150125/default.aspx
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on October 23, 2012, 04:52:31 PM
McGun

Thanks for agreeing Lukey!
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: eliminator on October 23, 2012, 04:54:08 PM
"Richmond was unavailable for comment on Tuesday" Have we fled interstate.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 23, 2012, 08:44:23 PM
i have to ask is matt white contracted or uncontracted.
i ask because surely with just 13 talls including chaplin darrou a rookie and mcguane we just cant afford to chop a tall.

we also cant afford to carry 4 limited sml forwards in white, king, nahas, and edwards.  and now with knights on board that makes 5. common sense says we have absolutely no need for at least 2 of them maybe three. talk about the lack of list management at the club. king edwards and knights should be it no need for any more. thats depth enough.

there are gaping holes in the list a total lack of depth with talls ruckmen mids and medium sized flankers.   you can bet your bottom dollar again if just a few injuries happen to the wrong players the season will derailed.
unfortunately luke mcguane is a required player for no other reason than list management  cant say that about white he has to go and we need to address one of the holes with his exit.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Chuck17 on October 23, 2012, 09:00:55 PM
i have to ask is matt white contracted or uncontracted.
i ask because surely with just 13 talls including chaplin darrou a rookie and mcguane we just cant afford to chop a tall.

we also cant afford to carry 4 limited sml forwards in white, king, nahas, and edwards.  and now with knights on board that makes 5. common sense says we have absolutely no need for at least 2 of them maybe three. talk about the lack of list management at the club. king edwards and knights should be it no need for any more. thats depth enough.

there are gaping holes in the list a total lack of depth with talls ruckmen mids and medium sized flankers.   you can bet your bottom dollar again if just a few injuries happen to the wrong players the season will derailed.
unfortunately luke mcguane is a required player for no other reason than list management  cant say that about white he has to go and we need to address one of the holes with his exit.

Is Knights a limited small forward?
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 23, 2012, 09:24:15 PM
i have to ask is matt white contracted or uncontracted.
i ask because surely with just 13 talls including chaplin darrou a rookie and mcguane we just cant afford to chop a tall.

we also cant afford to carry 4 limited sml forwards in white, king, nahas, and edwards.  and now with knights on board that makes 5. common sense says we have absolutely no need for at least 2 of them maybe three. talk about the lack of list management at the club. king edwards and knights should be it no need for any more. thats depth enough.

there are gaping holes in the list a total lack of depth with talls ruckmen mids and medium sized flankers.   you can bet your bottom dollar again if just a few injuries happen to the wrong players the season will derailed.
unfortunately luke mcguane is a required player for no other reason than list management  cant say that about white he has to go and we need to address one of the holes with his exit.

Is Knights a limited small forward?
i hope not. we obviously got him to play as a forward who can rotate thru the midfield.  obviously hes going to spend significant time in our forward line. didnt mean to lump him in with the lmited ones but he will spend significant time forward and as such he makes one of the other 4 redundant.
if he can repeat his 07 08 or 09 he will easily leap frog the other 4 mentioned.
i still believe a kid like max duffy would give us more than the others in a short period of time.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on October 23, 2012, 09:28:04 PM
Again thanks for choosing us Luke.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Danog on October 23, 2012, 09:28:55 PM
i have to ask is matt white contracted or uncontracted.
i ask because surely with just 13 talls including chaplin darrou a rookie and mcguane we just cant afford to chop a tall.

we also cant afford to carry 4 limited sml forwards in white, king, nahas, and edwards.  and now with knights on board that makes 5. common sense says we have absolutely no need for at least 2 of them maybe three. talk about the lack of list management at the club. king edwards and knights should be it no need for any more. thats depth enough.

there are gaping holes in the list a total lack of depth with talls ruckmen mids and medium sized flankers.   you can bet your bottom dollar again if just a few injuries happen to the wrong players the season will derailed.
unfortunately luke mcguane is a required player for no other reason than list management  cant say that about white he has to go and we need to address one of the holes with his exit.

Is Knights a limited small forward?
i hope not. we obviously got him to play as a forward who can rotate thru the midfield.  obviously hes going to spend significant time in our forward line. didnt mean to lump him in with the lmited ones but he will spend significant time forward and as such he makes one of the other 4 redundant.
if he can repeat his 07 08 or 09 he will easily leap frog the other 4 mentioned.
i still believe a kid like max duffy would give us more than the others in a short period of time.
Edwards isn't a limited small forward.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 23, 2012, 09:36:22 PM
i have to ask is matt white contracted or uncontracted.
i ask because surely with just 13 talls including chaplin darrou a rookie and mcguane we just cant afford to chop a tall.

we also cant afford to carry 4 limited sml forwards in white, king, nahas, and edwards.  and now with knights on board that makes 5. common sense says we have absolutely no need for at least 2 of them maybe three. talk about the lack of list management at the club. king edwards and knights should be it no need for any more. thats depth enough.

there are gaping holes in the list a total lack of depth with talls ruckmen mids and medium sized flankers.   you can bet your bottom dollar again if just a few injuries happen to the wrong players the season will derailed.
unfortunately luke mcguane is a required player for no other reason than list management  cant say that about white he has to go and we need to address one of the holes with his exit.

Is Knights a limited small forward?
i hope not. we obviously got him to play as a forward who can rotate thru the midfield.  obviously hes going to spend significant time in our forward line. didnt mean to lump him in with the lmited ones but he will spend significant time forward and as such he makes one of the other 4 redundant.
if he can repeat his 07 08 or 09 he will easily leap frog the other 4 mentioned.
i still believe a kid like max duffy would give us more than the others in a short period of time.
Edwards isn't a limited small forward.
he certainly isnt a mid. total liability in there. that makes him limited imo.
nahas provides run but nothing else as a mid very ordinary. king well hes been tried as a defender and a mid and failed abysmally at both. imo hes ordinary as a forward as well.
white well he does none of them well hack in the midfielsd  cant play back and does sweet f/a as a forward.
ya know what give me duffy every day of the week even if he didnt play a game. he at least has the tools to work with.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Mr Magic on October 24, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
I bet he is. Lucky Luke.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: HKTiger on October 24, 2012, 07:32:17 AM
actually claw, Edwards has one of the highest effective center clearance rate percentages in the league for players present for over 50 centre bounces.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an opinion.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Petrov on October 24, 2012, 07:46:34 AM
I have feeling that this guy will bring much power and success to great richmond
Also many lady here in Russia are impress with his virility
I look foward to see him take field in bright glory next year  :bow
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: tiga on October 24, 2012, 09:53:22 AM
I have feeling that this guy will bring much power and success to great richmond
Also many lady here in Russia are impress with his virility
I look foward to see him take field in bright glory next year  :bow

Petrov, I have to congratulate you on your grasp of the English language. Your extensive vocabulary mixed with broken sentence construction I have not seen since "Viktor the very unattractive man."

(http://i47.tinypic.com/24dqyx3.jpg)
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Coach on October 24, 2012, 10:04:44 AM
How many accounts does Dookie want?
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on October 24, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
I have feeling that this guy will bring much power and success to great richmond
Also many lady here in Russia are impress with his virility
I look foward to see him take field in bright glory next year  :bow

Hello brother
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: JVT on October 24, 2012, 11:15:04 AM
Hello brother comrade
Edited for accuaracy.  ;)
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on October 24, 2012, 11:37:22 AM
Hello brother comrade
Edited for accuaracy.  ;)

:clapping

Is it you?
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: JVT on October 24, 2012, 01:24:53 PM
Hello brother comrade
Edited for accuaracy.  ;)

:clapping

Is it you?
Petrov? Nyet lol. I'm thinking I should change my username now though to get in with this latest fad  :thumbsup :cheers
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on October 24, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
Hello brother comrade
Edited for accuaracy.  ;)

:clapping

Is it you?
Petrov? Nyet lol. I'm thinking I should change my username now though to get in with this latest fad  :thumbsup :cheers

You do that :clapping
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: gerkin greg on October 24, 2012, 10:33:41 PM
 :chuck
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: tony_montana on October 24, 2012, 10:42:17 PM
fwd line consisting of mcguane and edwards woah its a dynasty  :shh
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 24, 2012, 11:04:37 PM
actually claw, Edwards has one of the highest effective center clearance rate percentages in the league for players present for over 50 centre bounces.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an opinion.
6 yrs of watching this bloke try and play as a mid tells me your stats arent worth jack poo.
he was as good as gone until around round 8 when we played him primarily as a forward. 
ive done this bloke to death im not going to repeat myself but as far as im concerned hes failed abysmally as a mid for reasons ive repeated ad nauseum.
keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Coach on October 24, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
HK probably has a stat that says McGuane is a good player.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: dwaino on October 24, 2012, 11:19:57 PM
Only stat that matters to claw 151/98 is size. Must work for Jenny Craig.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 24, 2012, 11:27:03 PM
fwd line consisting of mcguane and edwards woah its a dynasty  :shh
hmm forward line of

hf/ s edwards - griffiths - knights.
f/  vickery - riewoldt - a edwards

b/ grimes - chaplin - morris
hb/ batchelor  - rance/post  - conca/rance

c/  deledio - martin - grigg
r/ maric - tuck - cotchin

int/  foley - ellis - helbig - pick 9 im praying its jake stringer.

all of a sudden the likes of jackson houli, nahas, newman, king, nomally first 22 become the depth. its got to become this way if we want to move forward.

if there continues to be a place for such ordinary players like white king nahas mcguane jackson etc as starting 22   then you can bet your bottom dollar we will finish about 12th again.  we actually have to change things to get better.
we all know the 22 from this yr is not good enough.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: dwaino on October 24, 2012, 11:39:47 PM
Who sets up play from defense, and who plays defensive forward or takes the opposition quarterback in your team there claw? It's why Newman, Houli, and King will be walk up starts. Stop thinking positional play of the previous era and start thinking American Football line running, set pieces and match ups and you'll start to understand why some things are like they are.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Coach on October 24, 2012, 11:52:05 PM
Quarter back ;D Is Houli our quarter back? Chris Everett
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: dwaino on October 24, 2012, 11:59:10 PM
Quarter back ;D Is Houli our quarter back? Chris Everett

 :laugh: was waiting for you

Newy for sure. Sets up good passing plays and knows when to play a run instead. Houli is more a wide receiver and QB-relief. And while we're on the analogy, King plays DT... Except about 70-80kegs smaller  :lol
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 25, 2012, 12:01:06 AM
Who sets up play from defense, and who plays defensive forward or takes the opposition quarterback in your team there claw? It's why Newman, Houli, and King will be walk up starts. Stop thinking positional play of the previous era and start thinking American Football line running, set pieces and match ups and you'll start to understand why some things are like they are.
pppfffttt had a look at how geelong set up or collingwood or wce theres no runts lots of height and lots of big bodies every bloody succesful side structres up this way.

why are you people so lazy why dont you learn from what SUCCESFUL sides have done. sydney had 3 193+ defenders, they had another at 188 they had a gritty medium in smith and shaw at 183 provided rebound.

the yr before geelong had scarlett lonergan taylor all ranging from 192 to 195.  mackie normally plays alongside these blokes at 192. enright and hunt are what 1888 and 185 and bloody big bodied to go with it. they used just wojiinski for run.
collingwood had maxwell brown reid all around 195, obrien at 188 and toovey at 191, shaw the main rebounder.
i can go on and on.

grimes as a third tall quick tall agile and a good user. rance as a kpd or even as a rebounder his best assett is his rebound and run. batchelor at 188 is a good user is not slow and can do a mattner.
chaplin is actually criticised for not being defensive enough and provides too much run and not enough accountability.
morris is quick accountable and has shown he can rebound. conca well i dont have to say a thing do i most want him in the midfield me i reckon hes a top noth flanker.

size height strength and run in the back line we have it in just as much quantities  as most premiership sides its just a matter of gettin good systems in place now thats a coaching thing.
lets learn from those who have done well before us.

Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: dwaino on October 25, 2012, 12:09:08 AM
All of those sides had good back flankers (QBs) able to set up, penetrate and break lines. Batchelor is too slow (not a knock, I like him in a stopping role) and Rance's disposal isn't deadly enough - nor is his pace. Your back line was all negating and zero offense. Just like your forward line is too one directional and contains nobody to pressure opposition play makers. Yarran and co would poke holes in that team like Swiss cheese.

This is a two way game now and you need at least half the team to be able to play reverse.
Title: matt dea, not sea
Post by: Judge Roughneck on October 25, 2012, 12:47:52 AM
Quarter back ;D Is Houli our quarter back? Chris Everett

Quarter back = Hodge in gf 08. I know people say AFL doesn't have qb but its outdated view

Or deledio when he was hbf.

Deledio should be fwd/mid.

The back 6 should be
Big -rancee grimes Chaplin/astbury.
Small - grimes. Bachelor. X

Morris too..
I like sea but I reckon helbig has all the tools...
.
Newman will be in the team off the bench but the last spot is still up for.grabs. houli is far.from 100% sure of a game
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: HKTiger on October 25, 2012, 01:18:10 AM
actually claw, Edwards has one of the highest effective center clearance rate percentages in the league for players present for over 50 centre bounces.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an opinion.
6 yrs of watching this bloke try and play as a mid tells me your stats arent worth jack poo.
he was as good as gone until around round 8 when we played him primarily as a forward. 
ive done this bloke to death im not going to repeat myself but as far as im concerned hes failed abysmally as a mid for reasons ive repeated ad nauseum.
keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.

They're not my stats.  They're available by subscription.  Apparently KPI's that Lade and Dimma work by.  But your opinion is fine.

It's always the same with you.  Only your opinion is valid and counter points are abused.  Continue as before.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Coach on October 25, 2012, 02:38:57 AM
Who sets up play from defense, and who plays defensive forward or takes the opposition quarterback in your team there claw? It's why Newman, Houli, and King will be walk up starts. Stop thinking positional play of the previous era and start thinking American Football line running, set pieces and match ups and you'll start to understand why some things are like they are.
pppfffttt had a look at how geelong set up or collingwood or wce theres no runts lots of height and lots of big bodies every bloody succesful side structres up this way.

why are you people so lazy why dont you learn from what SUCCESFUL sides have done. sydney had 3 193+ defenders, they had another at 188 they had a gritty medium in smith and shaw at 183 provided rebound.

the yr before geelong had scarlett lonergan taylor all ranging from 192 to 195.  mackie normally plays alongside these blokes at 192. enright and hunt are what 1888 and 185 and bloody big bodied to go with it. they used just wojiinski for run.
collingwood had maxwell brown reid all around 195, obrien at 188 and toovey at 191, shaw the main rebounder.
i can go on and on.

grimes as a third tall quick tall agile and a good user. rance as a kpd or even as a rebounder his best assett is his rebound and run. batchelor at 188 is a good user is not slow and can do a mattner.
chaplin is actually criticised for not being defensive enough and provides too much run and not enough accountability.
morris is quick accountable and has shown he can rebound. conca well i dont have to say a thing do i most want him in the midfield me i reckon hes a top noth flanker.

size height strength and run in the back line we have it in just as much quantities  as most premiership sides its just a matter of gettin good systems in place now thats a coaching thing.
lets learn from those who have done well before us.



:thumbsup

Disagree with Dwaino's call of Batchelor being too slow. Has good pace. Am also not sure how you can disagree with Claw since he has just showed 3 examples of a premiership teams backline?
Or do we listen to the Richmond way of success. Yes, let's sit down and learn something there.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Coach on October 25, 2012, 02:46:10 AM
actually claw, Edwards has one of the highest effective center clearance rate percentages in the league for players present for over 50 centre bounces.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an opinion.
6 yrs of watching this bloke try and play as a mid tells me your stats arent worth jack poo.
he was as good as gone until around round 8 when we played him primarily as a forward. 
ive done this bloke to death im not going to repeat myself but as far as im concerned hes failed abysmally as a mid for reasons ive repeated ad nauseum.
keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.

They're not my stats.  They're available by subscription.  Apparently KPI's that Lade and Dimma work by.  But your opinion is fine.

It's always the same with you.  Only your opinion is valid and counter points are abused.  Continue as before.

Wouldn't Edwards spend more time in the guts if he was such a gun clearance player?
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: HKTiger on October 25, 2012, 04:53:11 AM
actually claw, Edwards has one of the highest effective center clearance rate percentages in the league for players present for over 50 centre bounces.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an opinion.
6 yrs of watching this bloke try and play as a mid tells me your stats arent worth jack poo.
he was as good as gone until around round 8 when we played him primarily as a forward. 
ive done this bloke to death im not going to repeat myself but as far as im concerned hes failed abysmally as a mid for reasons ive repeated ad nauseum.
keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.

They're not my stats.  They're available by subscription.  Apparently KPI's that Lade and Dimma work by.  But your opinion is fine.

It's always the same with you.  Only your opinion is valid and counter points are abused.  Continue as before.

Wouldn't Edwards spend more time in the guts if he was such a gun clearance player?

Good question.  He actually spent more time there than I think some people realise.  But there is a "center square rotation" of Maric, Edwards, Jackson and one other that had something like 11 effective clearances from 17 center bounces.  Given that Cotchin, Martin, Tuck, Lids and Foley would be ahead of Edwards and Jackson I'm assuming that "rotation" gets limited center square opportunities, but it is effective.

It's fact based and supports my view of Edwards effectiveness in close and the effectiveness that Dan can provide in a limited role.  But that view does not agree with claw's opinion and I must be wrong or so he so forcefully wants to remind me.

I don't care for many of his opinions but when I offer a counter point it's met with derision and/or abuse.  Interesting discussion style.  "Agree with me or else".
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Coach on October 25, 2012, 05:07:26 AM
Yeah that's fair enough. I can see Claw's argument but at the same time Edwards does do good things in close. He's got very quick hands and good vision. He's bigger these days too which would allow him to spend more time in the guts. In the past he just wasn't big enough. I thought his consistency as a midfielder wasn't good enough but he was good when they played him forward & had him pinch hit in the midfield. That suits him
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: tony_montana on October 25, 2012, 07:18:45 AM
Agree Dwaine, that team is way too slow, would get slaughtered on the rebound
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Penelope on October 25, 2012, 08:56:09 AM
Yeah that's fair enough. I can see Claw's argument but at the same time Edwards does do good things in close. He's got very quick hands and good vision. He's bigger these days too which would allow him to spend more time in the guts. In the past he just wasn't big enough. I thought his consistency as a midfielder wasn't good enough but he was good when they played him forward & had him pinch hit in the midfield. That suits him
:yep
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: WA Tiger on October 25, 2012, 09:27:44 AM
Good idea to sign McGuane up again, think it will be his last year though, unless he kicks 50-60 goals... :thumbsup
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on October 25, 2012, 10:16:10 AM
Thanks again for choosing us Lukey.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: dwaino on October 25, 2012, 10:41:44 AM
Who sets up play from defense, and who plays defensive forward or takes the opposition quarterback in your team there claw? It's why Newman, Houli, and King will be walk up starts. Stop thinking positional play of the previous era and start thinking American Football line running, set pieces and match ups and you'll start to understand why some things are like they are.
pppfffttt had a look at how geelong set up or collingwood or wce theres no runts lots of height and lots of big bodies every bloody succesful side structres up this way.

why are you people so lazy why dont you learn from what SUCCESFUL sides have done. sydney had 3 193+ defenders, they had another at 188 they had a gritty medium in smith and shaw at 183 provided rebound.

the yr before geelong had scarlett lonergan taylor all ranging from 192 to 195.  mackie normally plays alongside these blokes at 192. enright and hunt are what 1888 and 185 and bloody big bodied to go with it. they used just wojiinski for run.
collingwood had maxwell brown reid all around 195, obrien at 188 and toovey at 191, shaw the main rebounder.
i can go on and on.

grimes as a third tall quick tall agile and a good user. rance as a kpd or even as a rebounder his best assett is his rebound and run. batchelor at 188 is a good user is not slow and can do a mattner.
chaplin is actually criticised for not being defensive enough and provides too much run and not enough accountability.
morris is quick accountable and has shown he can rebound. conca well i dont have to say a thing do i most want him in the midfield me i reckon hes a top noth flanker.

size height strength and run in the back line we have it in just as much quantities  as most premiership sides its just a matter of gettin good systems in place now thats a coaching thing.
lets learn from those who have done well before us.



:thumbsup

Disagree with Dwaino's call of Batchelor being too slow. Has good pace. Am also not sure how you can disagree with Claw since he has just showed 3 examples of a premiership teams backline?
Or do we listen to the Richmond way of success. Yes, let's sit down and learn something there.

Batchelor has closing speed to spoil and play as a stop, but he's hardly up there with speed, line breaking and damaging kicks like Hodge, Deledio (when he played there) the Shaws etc. He listed these kind of blokes but covered them with Rance and Batchelor which I disagree with. I find it odd too that he wants to put Rance in this role when he's spent the better part of the last 2-3 years bagging his kicking which should be the first attribute of a HBF in modern footy.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Willy on October 25, 2012, 11:04:30 AM

keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.

75% of people know that.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: tigs2011 on October 25, 2012, 11:06:44 AM
Yeah that's fair enough. I can see Claw's argument but at the same time Edwards does do good things in close. He's got very quick hands and good vision. He's bigger these days too which would allow him to spend more time in the guts. In the past he just wasn't big enough. I thought his consistency as a midfielder wasn't good enough but he was good when they played him forward & had him pinch hit in the midfield. That suits him

 :clapping
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Yeahright on October 25, 2012, 01:31:24 PM
The main problem with Claws point is Collingwood, Geelong and Swans all had players of that height good enough to do that role. For us we either have players good enough but not great size, or right size and not good enough.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: tiga on October 25, 2012, 01:39:33 PM

keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.

75% of people know that.

 :lol An I can verify that Willy's comment is 100% accurate.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: yellowandback on October 25, 2012, 07:02:19 PM

keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.

75% of people know that.

 :lol An I can verify that Willy's comment is 100% accurate.

41% of all statistics are inaccurate. Fact.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: yellowandback on October 25, 2012, 07:03:25 PM
Thanks again for choosing us Lukey.

There is a rumour he has an out clause at the end of his contract to be traded to GC.  :shh
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: gerkin greg on October 25, 2012, 07:07:20 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Phil Mrakov on October 25, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
Thanks again for choosing us Lukey.

There is a rumour he has an out clause at the end of his contract to be traded to GC.  :shh

Thanks again Lukey.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 26, 2012, 12:28:49 AM
actually claw, Edwards has one of the highest effective center clearance rate percentages in the league for players present for over 50 centre bounces.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of an opinion.
6 yrs of watching this bloke try and play as a mid tells me your stats arent worth jack poo.
he was as good as gone until around round 8 when we played him primarily as a forward. 
ive done this bloke to death im not going to repeat myself but as far as im concerned hes failed abysmally as a mid for reasons ive repeated ad nauseum.
keep your stats they dont mean much. most stats are like that.

They're not my stats.  They're available by subscription.  Apparently KPI's that Lade and Dimma work by.  But your opinion is fine.

It's always the same with you.  Only your opinion is valid and counter points are abused.  Continue as before.

Wouldn't Edwards spend more time in the guts if he was such a gun clearance player?

Good question.  He actually spent more time there than I think some people realise.  But there is a "center square rotation" of Maric, Edwards, Jackson and one other that had something like 11 effective clearances from 17 center bounces.  Given that Cotchin, Martin, Tuck, Lids and Foley would be ahead of Edwards and Jackson I'm assuming that "rotation" gets limited center square opportunities, but it is effective.

It's fact based and supports my view of Edwards effectiveness in close and the effectiveness that Dan can provide in a limited role.  But that view does not agree with claw's opinion and I must be wrong or so he so forcefully wants to remind me.

I don't care for many of his opinions but when I offer a counter point it's met with derision and/or abuse.  Interesting discussion style.  "Agree with me or else".
first up i dont care for most peoples opinions. tit for tat hey. where was my post either derisive or abusive. i told you i dont care for your stats or who ever they belong to.having watched him mainly  struggle for the last 6 yrs  im inclined to believe what i actually see.

i have actually defended edwards role this yr.  in particular after the first 6 or 7 weeks of the yr. he was normal for the first 7, normal being primarily played as a mid and being deplorable.

hes 78 kg and a runt. hes gets pushed around and taken out of contests in the midfield far too easily. his kicking is poor and hes slow.finally hes never ever found enough ball to warrant him playing as a permanent mid. the biggest criticism is hes supposed to be elite endurance wise and hes never ever shown he can gut run.

his attributes are his hands and his very good evasiveness which buys him time. when he can buy time hes damaging but when he cant hes a total liability. stats may something different but this has not changed
he had a very good consistent run from about rnd 7 or 8 right thru playing primarily as a small forward rotating thru the midfield at times. as a small forward i cant fault his last 14 or so games.

finally im may blunt and abrupt but in no way do i mean to come across as derisive or abusive.
finally is edwards good inside, at times yes hes even effective sometimes. he is but he needs more than just good hands and  bit of evasiveness to be a really good mid. just my opinion.

edwards isnt even truly established imo. i reckon we can all ask will he revert back to mediocrity or will he at last find just a bit of consistency. we will know in 12 months time.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: HKTiger on October 26, 2012, 04:45:13 AM
Now you argue your point without deriding mine.  Not too hard is it.

I disagree with you to a fair degree on Shed and agree with some points.  Stats support part of my view.

If you don't think calling a view "jack poo" is derisory then i have different standards.

And yes I've been condescending.  But I wont deny it either.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: eliminator on October 26, 2012, 06:46:42 AM
If we sign up Edwards will McGuane get a game. Are they not fighting for the same position(the third tall in the forward line)
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Coach on October 26, 2012, 06:48:55 AM
I don't think McGuane would get a game if he was here or not. If we go with three talls then I'd say Griffo or Astbury would be ahead of McGuane. If Edwards comes and has a good pre-season then he may play deep alongside Jack. Either way, McG will probably play at Coburg unless we get injuries. poo, he might still get the arse.
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: Penelope on October 26, 2012, 08:47:05 AM
If we sign up Edwards will McGuane get a game. Are they not fighting for the same position(the third tall in the forward line)
edwards is 184 cm. only a couple of centimeters of being from fantasy island according to some
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: JVT on October 26, 2012, 09:00:20 AM
I don't think McGuane would get a game if he was here or not. If we go with three talls then I'd say Griffo or Astbury would be ahead of McGuane. If Edwards comes and has a good pre-season then he may play deep alongside Jack. Either way, McG will probably play at Coburg unless we get injuries. poo, he might still get the arse.
:bow :clapping
Title: Re: McGuane to pounce on deal .....(afl site)
Post by: the claw on October 26, 2012, 11:06:04 AM
If we sign up Edwards will McGuane get a game. Are they not fighting for the same position(the third tall in the forward line)
at 184cm edwards is not a third tall. hes a medium sized player who can play tall and take a good mark.
this  yr he kicked how many goals 17 was it?  extrapolate that to a full season and he kicks over 40. he hits packs he tackles averaging over 3 a game.hes quick on the lead and good at ground level.
we moaned and groaned about a dysfunctional forward line this yr with no ability to go to plan b or c well edwards allows this.we are doing something about it.
we will play 3 genuine talls,  or  we should.
if we play vickery as a forward and expect him to be the back up ruckman then they havent learnt a thing. vickery should play in a pocket and riewoldt and one other hopefully griffiths play kpp.
edwards knights and a small complementing them.