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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 07, 2012, 12:45:33 PM
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According to the AFL website we have pick 5 in the PSD. Whether we use it is another matter.
2012 NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft
Round One
1 – GWS Giants
2 – Western Bulldogs
3 – Port Adelaide
4 – Brisbane Lions
5 – Richmond
6 – Essendon
7 – Carlton
8 – Fremantle
9 – Collingwood
10 – Adelaide Crows
11 – Sydney Swans
Round Two
12 – GWS Giants
13 – Carlton
14 – Fremantle
15 – Collingwood
16 – Sydney Swans
Round Three
17 – Sydney Swans
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-07/nervous-wait-for-swans
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Get Garlett to pee off Essendon and delist him after the drafts
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Yeah and waste a spot on our playing list just to pee off another club?? ::) With Garlett's known issues wouldn't we be better off letting them have him and after round 6 watch him slowly deconstruct them from the inside?
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Yeah and waste a spot on our playing list just to pee off another club?? ::) With Garlett's known issues wouldn't we be better off letting them have him and after round 6 watch him slowly deconstruct them from the inside?
Won't happen. The bloke has pulled his head in
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Get Garlett to pee off Essendon and delist him after the drafts
:lol I like your thinking.
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Get Garlett to pee off Essendon and delist him after the drafts
:lol I like your thinking.
:D
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do we use it on Toy ?
or shaft sydney and get tippet?
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do we use it on Toy ?
or shaft sydney and get tippet?
Story of the year :shh
We would be the ruthless tigers no longer the toothless...
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I reckon use it on this guy had a fantastic season in the SANFL and is 22 Central District ruckman Jack Hannath.
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with the lkes of cotch riewoldt and co. coing out of contract can we afford Tippet?
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think it will be toy or the big o... if toy is right he had huge wraps on him when drafted just didn't settle into the gold coast so he could be the go... or do we take o incase ivan gets hurt to help out vickery????? questions questions questions
GO U TIGERS
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do we use it on Toy ?
or shaft sydney and get tippet?
:bow
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Would be 'over-the-moon' if we grabbed Garlett (provided we are sure he is reformed) or Toy (if he is over his heart issues). Would spew if we wasted a PSD pick on Oren, he can wait for the rookie draft.
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Would be 'over-the-moon' if we grabbed Garlett (provided we are sure he is reformed) or Toy (if he is over his heart issues). Would spew if we wasted a PSD pick on Oren, he can wait for the rookie draft.
Toy's condition is for life he can't get over it
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Possible PSD scenario based on media reports:
Round 1
1. GWS - Jason Laycock
2. W.Bulldogs - Brent Prismall or Brett Goodes
3. Port Adelaide - Sam Colquhoun
4. Brisbane - ? ............. interested in Jordan Bourke or Nicholas Hayes
5. Richmond - Pass
6. Essendon - ? ............ interested in Dayle Garlett, Chris De Luca, Will Hams or Steve Boldasso
7. Carlton - Pass
8. Fremantle - Jesse Crichton
9. Collingwood - Pass
10. Adelaide - Nick Joyce
11. Sydney - Kurt Tippett
Round 2
12. GWS - Dean Brogan or Pass
13. Carlton - Pass
14. Fremantle - Pass or take one of Nick Rodda, Alex Hewson or Matthew Taberner
15. Collingwood - Pass
16. Sydney - ? .............. interested in Brandon Jack or Xavier Richards
Round 3
17. Sydney - Pass
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Why are we passing?
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I've got a feeling it's Orren
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Why are we passing?
Why not? If you don't rate what's available then you don't pick for the sake of it
Reckon we want to take 4 rookies
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I reckon use it on this guy had a fantastic season in the SANFL and is 22 Central District ruckman Jack Hannath.
yes please you can bet your bottom dollar melbourne will take him with their first rookie pick. take hannath in the psd he will give just as much atm than wood or stephenson and he has a pretty good upside imo.
i still think looking at all the ruckmen available this yr that hannath is the second best one available outside of grundy.
the list is screaming at us to take a ruckman why not one with genuine promise who is readyb to play. use the rookie draft for 3 mids. two mature and sam lowrie hopefully.
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Why are we passing?
Why not? If you don't rate what's available then you don't pick for the sake of it
Reckon we want to take 4 rookies
Yet we draft Aaron Edwards in the N.D and then pass with Kurt Tippett available?
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Why are we passing?
Why not? If you don't rate what's available then you don't pick for the sake of it
Reckon we want to take 4 rookies
Yet we draft Aaron Edwards in the N.D and then pass with Kurt Tippett available?
For the sake of not spending an extra ~$600k per year on a dubious talent improvement I get it.
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A Edwards not n draft
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Why are we passing?
Why not? If you don't rate what's available then you don't pick for the sake of it
Reckon we want to take 4 rookies
Yet we draft Aaron Edwards in the N.D and then pass with Kurt Tippett available?
A edwards was traded for, on a one year contract.
Anyone drafted onto the list proper must be given a two year contract
Rookies can be given a one year contract.
I would doubt we can afford to pay what tippet is asking, and any club that drafts him has to meet his demands, nor did he nomitate for the ND
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Why are we passing?
Why not? If you don't rate what's available then you don't pick for the sake of it
Reckon we want to take 4 rookies
Yet we draft Aaron Edwards in the N.D and then pass with Kurt Tippett available?
A edwards was traded for, on a one year contract.
Anyone drafted onto the list proper must be given a two year contract
Rookies can be given a one year contract.
I would doubt we can afford to pay what tippet is asking, and any club that drafts him has to meet his demands, nor did he nomitate for the ND
Yes fair call. I am dubious on the selection of Edwards, thats all. I think we are deviating too far away from youth.
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I reckon use it on this guy had a fantastic season in the SANFL and is 22 Central District ruckman Jack Hannath.
yes please you can bet your bottom dollar melbourne will take him with their first rookie pick. take hannath in the psd he will give just as much atm than wood or stephenson and he has a pretty good upside imo.
i still think looking at all the ruckmen available this yr that hannath is the second best one available outside of grundy.
the list is screaming at us to take a ruckman why not one with genuine promise who is readyb to play. use the rookie draft for 3 mids. two mature and sam lowrie hopefully.
These are the ruckmen types we should be churning through, players who come good around this age due to "growing into their bodies" etc. I wanted Giles, he was tearing it up and anybody could tell he would make the grade 2nd time around simply bc he had matured in mind and body. Sure, we went Xman and it hasnt worked out but i think we are better off going down this track as they are pretty much physically ready to step up immediately if required.
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I reckon use it on this guy had a fantastic season in the SANFL and is 22 Central District ruckman Jack Hannath.
yes please you can bet your bottom dollar melbourne will take him with their first rookie pick. take hannath in the psd he will give just as much atm than wood or stephenson and he has a pretty good upside imo.
i still think looking at all the ruckmen available this yr that hannath is the second best one available outside of grundy.
the list is screaming at us to take a ruckman why not one with genuine promise who is readyb to play. use the rookie draft for 3 mids. two mature and sam lowrie hopefully.
Claw that's my viewt to.This guy can play rd 1 and has so much upside.What do you like about his game.Do you rate Shane Nelson another one who is ready for rd 1 and had a great year in the wafl.
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Why are we passing?
Why not? If you don't rate what's available then you don't pick for the sake of it
Reckon we want to take 4 rookies
Yet we draft Aaron Edwards in the N.D and then pass with Kurt Tippett available?
For the sake of not spending an extra ~$600k per year on a dubious talent improvement I get it.
X 2
Despite what Tippett & his father and his dopey manager think; he isn't worth $3.mil or whatever it is over 4 years. He shows glimpses but has no consistency of performance
On top of that he's proven with how treated his former team mates when he announced he was leaving he isn't a team player, he is a selfish individual
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Richmond is believed to be prepared to use its fifth selection on discarded Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/fremantle-wont-take-kurt-tippett-in-afl-pre-season-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226532096957
Ch 7 news said Jason Laycock failed his medical so GWS will now draft Bret Thorton with their first pick in the PSD.
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As I said on the other thread I would rookie Garlett and the basis of a no stuff up policy.
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Richmond is believed to be prepared to use its fifth selection on discarded Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/fremantle-wont-take-kurt-tippett-in-afl-pre-season-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226532096957
Ch 7 news said Jason Laycock failed his medical so GWS will now draft Bret Thorton with their first pick in the PSD.
joke of a decision to nab this hack, may as well have kept pear or Gus
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WP...i sometimes wonder whether clubs actually give a toss a bag about players past records for they consistantly recruits players other clubs have labelled "too hard"..brendon fevola,ben cousins,wayne Carey,martin pyke,phil carmen..the list is endless.And yet all clubs are so fervent when it comes to nurturing and maintaining club culture.Do clubs only pay lip service to so called culture and when it comes to getting the four points they would sell their mother for a bag of magic beans
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I think the difference is that existing players have already proven they can play at the level required, despite their character flaws, and some of those players you mentioned were top shelf, in terms of football ability.
So i can see why a club may take a risk, with the belief that they can turn around or at least keep in check whatever baggage they came with.
Sometimes it is the kick in the arse of being discarded by their club that they need, or at least thats probably what their new club is hoping.
When you talk about draftees, you still have question marks over whether they can actually make the step up and combine that with a questionable character, which decreases their chance of making the transition, and clubs are starting to see it as too risky.
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Al yep i agree with what you say re draftees.but if you think back to the 2004 draft we took the safe option in richard tambling and the hawks took the risky option of Buddy Franklin(and all the apparent question marks re character that he supposedly had) and well the rest is history.I can never follow the logic of football clubs they are so incosistant with their actions,so typically human ;D
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that old chestnut? ;D
I wonder if we would pick Tabling with the current regime?
His problem is between the ears, but for him to have escaped from the dysfunctional community he grew up in and make something of his life (even though he has failed as an AFL footballer, he still is doing much better than those he left behind) shows some sort of mental strength. I also remember reading before he was drafted how he wanted to move to Melbourne (or wherever) and was looking forward to getting away from Darwin.
I wonder if our character testing would have picked up on whatever mental frailty he has, or if he would still have been one that slipped under the radar?
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Richmond is believed to be prepared to use its fifth selection on discarded Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/fremantle-wont-take-kurt-tippett-in-afl-pre-season-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226532096957
Ch 7 news said Jason Laycock failed his medical so GWS will now draft Bret Thorton with their first pick in the PSD.
joke of a decision to nab this hack, may as well have kept pear or Gus
I wouldnt pick Stephenson either but if you want to give Ivan Maric a couple of games off during a very long season then having Stephenson around is probably not a bad option. You can stick him in against GWS or GCS or Melbourne and he can take some some games and big Ivan can have a break and prepare for the finals :lol
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Don't know if this is true but I remember hearing somewhere a few months back that due to Stephenson having a family and all, he was after a senior list spot if he was to keep playing in the AFL rather than being rookie listed with its much lower salary. I'd guess we'll find out on Tuesday morning.
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I wonder if our character testing would have picked up on whatever mental frailty he has, or if he would still have been one that slipped under the radar?
Who the stuff do we have doing these tests? Craig Cameron? LMAO. Tambo is one of many Richmond players who ended up going to shrinks. Character tests what a waste of time
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Richmond is believed to be prepared to use its fifth selection on discarded Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/fremantle-wont-take-kurt-tippett-in-afl-pre-season-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226532096957
Ch 7 news said Jason Laycock failed his medical so GWS will now draft Bret Thorton with their first pick in the PSD.
joke of a decision to nab this hack, may as well have kept pear or Gus
I wouldnt pick Stephenson either but if you want to give Ivan Maric a couple of games off during a very long season then having Stephenson around is probably not a bad option. You can stick him in against GWS or GCS or Melbourne and he can take some some games and big Ivan can have a break and prepare for the finals :lol
But why do we need to grab a dead end hack as insurance, one that is a proven hack. Why not churn through players at 22-24 years of age who are physically ready and have shown form in respective state leagues?
they probably wont make it either, but I'd rather give it a go and give ourselves some sort of chance to land a medium term player rather than go for someone like big O who you can categorically say will never develop into an afl standard ruckman and will be gone in a year. Sometimes I am just gobsmacked at the sheer stupidity
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Richmond is believed to be prepared to use its fifth selection on discarded Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/fremantle-wont-take-kurt-tippett-in-afl-pre-season-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226532096957
Ch 7 news said Jason Laycock failed his medical so GWS will now draft Bret Thorton with their first pick in the PSD.
joke of a decision to nab this hack, may as well have kept pear or Gus
I wouldnt pick Stephenson either but if you want to give Ivan Maric a couple of games off during a very long season then having Stephenson around is probably not a bad option. You can stick him in against GWS or GCS or Melbourne and he can take some some games and big Ivan can have a break and prepare for the finals :lol
But why do we need to grab a dead end hack as insurance, one that is a proven hack. Why not churn through players at 22-24 years of age who are physically ready and have shown form in respective state leagues?
they probably wont make it either, but I'd rather give it a go and give ourselves some sort of chance to land a medium term player rather than go for someone like big O who you can categorically say will never develop into an afl standard ruckman and will be gone in a year. Sometimes I am just gobsmacked at the sheer stupidity
could not agree more.
it is stupidity or just shows a lack of faith in their own ability to go thru good sound processes.
anyway as i asked on the other thread how do we have a psd pick. we have 38 on the list proper and ive been told the vets has been abolished. this would mean to use a psd pick we have to cut a contracted player probably one we just signed up.
can anyone tell me how many we are now allowed on the list proper.
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Sheesh, a simple google search will show you that in 2013 you can have a combination of:
senior/cat. A rookie
38/6
39/5
40/4
Vets are included in the 38-40 but now allowed more than two and with different salary cap perks, and cat. B, internationals etc are excluded.
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sheesh ::)
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Dr Sheesh :whistle
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Fo' sheeshy
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lol, i just had a dig at craw for this in other thread, but i was just kicking the carcass as it turns out.
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:lol
good stuff guys :clapping
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lol, i just had a dig at craw for this in other thread, but i was just kicking the carcass as it turns out.
:lol That was a ripper al. It was like watching one of those Stalin statues being pulled down during perestroika/glasnost festivities
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A handful of Melbourne clubs are expected to pass on pre-season picks today and instead secure players on expanded rookie lists.
Richmond (pick 5), Carlton (pick 7) and Collingwood (picks 11, 16) will instead take rookie selections.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/port-adelaide-decides-not-to-draft-liam-jurrah/story-e6frf9jf-1226533945286
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http://psrdrafttracker.afl.com.au/
1 GWS Giants Bret Thornton
2 Western Bulldogs Pass
3 Port Adelaide Sam Colquhoun
4 Brisbane Lions Awaiting selection
5 Richmond Awaiting selection
6 Essendon William Hams
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We passed.
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his a good player :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
pretty slow on the afl tracker
GO U TIGERS
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Bombers overlooked Garlett.
1. GWS Giants - Bret Thornton
2. Western Bulldogs - Pass
3. Port Adelaide - Sam Colquhoun
4. Brisbane - pass
5. Richmond - pass
6. Essendon - William Hams
7. Carlton - Pass
8. Freo - Jack Hannath (Central District)
9. Coll - pass.
10. Adelaide - Nick Joyce
11. Sydney - Kurt Tippett
12. GWS - Dean Brogan
13. Carlton - pass
14. Fremantle - Jesse Crichton
15. Coll - pass.
16. Syd - pass.
17. Syd - pass
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Off to a flyer today. :thumbsup
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Ruckmantle
Sandi, Griffen, Clarke and now Hannath
+ the great Kepler
inb4clawrant ;D
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We should have had a crack at Hannath imo, 2 years min wage big deal
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We should have had a crack at Hannath imo, 2 years min wage big deal
Agree, still no Maric backup ....FFS.
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We should have had a crack at Hannath imo, 2 years min wage big deal
Agree, still no Maric backup ....FFS.
we've got backup, they rated big O the 31 yo dud delisted from Geelong ahead of any other ruckman
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Orren Stephenson won the VFL 3 times so he would be close to the best VFL ruckman. Derickx was the best in the WAFL.
We have some back up options for Maric.
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Hannath was the best in the SANFL. Could have had the set
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Hannath was the best in the SANFL. Could have had the set
Wrong, Currie was the best in the SANFL ;) Close but no cigar........
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dont let the truth get in the way of a good sook
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dont let the truth get in the way of a good sook
I see what your trying to do :bee
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We should have had a crack at Hannath imo, 2 years min wage big deal
Agree, still no Maric backup ....FFS.
we've got backup, they rated big O the 31 yo dud delisted from Geelong ahead of any other ruckman
sort of says a lot about our recruiters doesnt it.
if anyone wants me to im more than happy to put up who i wanted against what the freaks jackson and cameron actually did. no wonder we are being laughed at.
wanted moloney at the start of trade alas we had no interest at all. alas that doyen of players sam lonergan was taken instead lol. hmm what happened to all those pretty criteris we supposedly put in place. this bloke cant kick is as slow as, for a so called ball winning mid doesnt get enough ball and he doesnt kick goals please what a joke.
wanted hannath with late nd pick but no we need that star and long term aquistion orrel stephenson. we must be aiming for a flag with such a short term propisition. whats that i hear you all say? were are not aiming for a flag!!!! so why take a one yr battler at best. this is not 2010 or last yr where experience was totally devoid. yes we can do with some experience but bloody hell 31 yr old battlers give me a break. we actually had some choices here. stefan martin anyone mbrisbane got him for what pick 10000 or something.
ricky petterd last yr i wanted max duffy and nuffers on here laughed. a kid we could have had as a rookie who went what second rnd this yr a bit like tom lee id say but hey im clueless. has anyone gone out of their way to actually look at this 7 yr players performances.
for the life of me why another forward anyway, when the cuckoos in charge have been telling us we need midfield depth didnt we take edwards who by the way has seriously outperfromed petterd. didnt we take chris knights another medium sized mature forward. well lets elaborate hes a mid but hes played a lot forward because of injury. i see kyle martin went to collingwood and so did sam dwyer ah well im clueless according to some imbeciles. seems we dont need any more mids.
williams a kid and i tell ya what he shows promise if we take kids in the rookie draft id say hess of a type we should be looking at. we continue to misuse the rookie draft and the psd for that matter.
i see hartigan went to adelaide. what a dud he must be going there to adelaide they have no idea when it comes to defenders not. look at their record with kpds. they take this bloke and we continue to insist on playing quality forwards like astbury and griffiths in the backline because we dont have the numbers if we dont.
i see alex howson went to freo but hey we have elton jack and vickery we have enough key forwards.
i can go on but whats the point the blinkered crowd will remain just that blinkered and defend em at all costs.
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We should have had a crack at Hannath imo, 2 years min wage big deal
Agree, still no Maric backup ....FFS.
we've got backup, they rated big O the 31 yo dud delisted from Geelong ahead of any other ruckman
sort of says a lot about our recruiters doesnt it.
if anyone wants me to im more than happy to put up who i wanted against what the freaks jackson and cameron actually did. no wonder we are being laughed at.
wanted moloney at the start of trade alas we had no interest at all. alas that doyen of players sam lonergan was taken instead lol. hmm what happened to all those pretty criteris we supposedly put in place. this bloke cant kick is as slow as, for a so called ball winning mid doesnt get enough ball and he doesnt kick goals please what a joke.
wanted hannath with late nd pick but no we need that star and long term aquistion orrel stephenson. we must be aiming for a flag with such a short term propisition. whats that i hear you all say? were are not aiming for a flag!!!! so why take a one yr battler at best. this is not 2010 or last yr where experience was totally devoid. yes we can do with some experience but bloody hell 31 yr old battlers give me a break. we actually had some choices here. stefan martin anyone mbrisbane got him for what pick 10000 or something.
ricky petterd last yr i wanted max duffy and nuffers on here laughed. a kid we could have had as a rookie who went what second rnd this yr a bit like tom lee id say but hey im clueless. has anyone gone out of their way to actually look at this 7 yr players performances.
for the life of me why another forward anyway, when the cuckoos in charge have been telling us we need midfield depth didnt we take edwards who by the way has seriously outperfromed petterd. didnt we take chris knights another medium sized mature forward. well lets elaborate hes a mid but hes played a lot forward because of injury. i see kyle martin went to collingwood and so did sam dwyer ah well im clueless according to some imbeciles. seems we dont need any more mids.
williams a kid and i tell ya what he shows promise if we take kids in the rookie draft id say hess of a type we should be looking at. we continue to misuse the rookie draft and the psd for that matter.
i see hartigan went to adelaide. what a dud he must be going there to adelaide they have no idea when it comes to defenders not. look at their record with kpds. they take this bloke and we continue to insist on playing quality forwards like astbury and griffiths in the backline because we dont have the numbers if we dont.
i see alex howson went to freo but hey we have elton jack and vickery we have enough key forwards.
i can go on but whats the point the blinkered crowd will remain just that blinkered and defend em at all costs.
How can you compare Molony to Lonergan? One went as a free agent the other is a Rookie! It's not as if it was our pick and we had to decide between the two :lol
Hartigan went to Adelaide big deal St Kilda will be rubbing there hands together considering Tom Lee kicked 9 against him in the Foxtel cup final!
You go ape poo because We Rookie 30yo Stephenson yet you prais Collinwoods recruitment of Martin and Dwyer but fail to mention they also recruited 37yo Hudson. Was this a master stroke on there behalf? Did we miss a Golden opertunity secure the best ruckman available in the rookie draft? Surley if Collingwood see him fit for there list must mean he's a Gun! Oh and just on Hannath, do you honestly see him getting a game with Freo?
And last of all what has become of the other 10 or a Dozen kids you wanted that didn't even get picked up by anyone? You fail to bring those guys back up for some reason? Or was it that the 18 clubs out there just didn't see the same potential you did :lol Come back to us in 5 years time and tell me we got it wrong! Unless you can predict he future you have as much idea as anyone else, let's just see how it plays out first ;)