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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Rampstar on December 11, 2012, 11:31:52 AM
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Just wanted to officially welcome back a long lost friend of the RFC over the last 3 years - so its a big welcome back to Short Cut City.
Great player is short cut problem is he has never worked out in the past and doubt anything will change this time.
So for Hardwick and Cameron this is it. The big play ... no finals gentlemen and you should both be at CENTRELINK at the end of 2013. Finals or the unemployment queue. What a shame the club has gotten this desperate. Anyway good luck to all the players.
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Over reacting, they are all rookie picks. You wanna call up unknown kids to play if we have injuries like we had to this year with O'Hanlon etc.
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Dont mind Lonergan and Petterd, reckon Petterd is talented and could be a 3rd tall foil. Not happy about big O though but its done now
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Dont mind Lonergan and Petterd, reckon Petterd is talented and could be a 3rd tall foil. Not happy about big O though but its done now
Was either Wood or the Big O.
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Just wanted to officially welcome back a long lost friend of the RFC over the last 3 years - so its a big welcome back to Short Cut City.
Great player is short cut problem is he has never worked out in the past and doubt anything will change this time.
So for Hardwick and Cameron this is it. The big play ... no finals gentlemen and you should both be at CENTRELINK at the end of 2013. Finals or the unemployment queue. What a shame the club has gotten this desperate. Anyway good luck to all the players.
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LoL.Talk about over reaction to a rookie draft..What superstars would you have taken? :lol :lol
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Over reacting, they are all rookie picks.
This. once they would have been for our first rounders!
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Dont mind Lonergan and Petterd, reckon Petterd is talented and could be a 3rd tall foil. Not happy about big O though but its done now
Big O is really the only disappointment, and could have gone a less injury prone player that can at least rotate through the middle instead of Pettard but he can play when he turns up.
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some people just need a reality check , not matter what happens its winge winge winge , reality is just what superstars where you expecting to gain out of a rookie draft , at least now we have insurance when Vickery get injured , Jake King and Jackson get suspended and as always Foley breaks down
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This thread is ridiculous and should be closed. Ramps give yourself an uppercut.
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I would give my left nut to play finals and if these players assist in doing that it has worked.
Good use of the Rookie Draft I believe and if players go down we will still be able to win games of footy.
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We are a young side on the cusp of making the finals so the addition of more experienced and stronger bodies at this time is prudent.
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The major difference between now and then is our core is young and talented. We're filling the fringes with mature talent.
This is polar opposite to the wallet era when our core group was Dad's army and we were topping up with youth.
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Over reacting, they are all rookie picks. You wanna call up unknown kids to play if we have injuries like we had to this year with O'Hanlon etc.
Should have gone with untried players IMHO. Anyway if we miss the finals I will be expecting the resignations of Hardwick and Cameron. No finals in 2013 is a complete and utter failure. No Excuses Now. This is their big play, they have deviated away from youth and gone down this road, its a road we have seen before and one which for 30 years has always ended in failure. I hope for us and for them that its different this time around.
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Good choices for rookies I reckon. Reckon we don't plan or want to play these players but if we get an essendon type year, do we really want 4 18 year old boys being our back up to take us into finals? With the older guys we should not lose all that much if injuries were to happen and atleast be competitive
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Over reacting, they are all rookie picks. You wanna call up unknown kids to play if we have injuries like we had to this year with O'Hanlon etc.
Should have gone the youth route again IMHO. Anyway if we miss the finals I will be expecting the resignations of Hardwick and Cameron. No finals in 2013 is a complete and utter failure. No Excuses Now. This is their big play, they have deviated away from youth and gone down this road, its a road we have seen before and one which for 30 years has always ended in failure. I hope for us and for them that its different this time around.
Its hard to take youth when the youth just isn't available :huh I believe it was a smart move taking depth with our rookie picks, at least we know what were getting!
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Dont know what happened with my quote but I wrote untried players instead of youth anyway. I think Clawsie may have been right about Martin and Dwyer both untried but experienced players who can play straight away. Stephenson was not going to be selected by anyone else and could have been left for the last pick.
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I think we have done remarkably well this trade period. Have really bolstered the quality of the list.
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Stephenson was not going to be selected by anyone else and could have been left for the last pick.
So we take Cadeyn Williams with 3rd and Orren Stephenson with 4th. Who gives a flying stuff?
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
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I should add I'd imagine we'll be looking for one next year if one bobs up. Stephenson buys us a year maybe 2.
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Dont know what happened with my quote but I wrote untried players instead of youth anyway. I think Clawsie may have been right about Martin and Dwyer both untried but experienced players who can play straight away. Stephenson was not going to be selected by anyone else and could have been left for the last pick.
I didn't touch your quote, you mast have changed your post after quoted it :wallywink
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6 / 11 of out picks ups this window have been mature
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Pettard
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
Yeah paying Hannath min wage for an extra season would have squeezed out some of our big guns hey? Should have gone for him and at the same time put some substance into our ruck stocks. Big O for a year what a joke
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
Yeah paying Hannath min wage for an extra season would have squeezed out some of our big guns hey? Should have gone for him and at the same time put some substance into our ruck stocks. Big O for a year what a joke
Hannath has no tank and no ticker, a very one dimensional player.......Would have been better off keeping Gus or Browne than clogging the list with Hannath for two seasons.
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
Orren was the best state-leaguer going around. Better than Hannath. Hannath is young though so therefore better?
Yeah paying Hannath min wage for an extra season would have squeezed out some of our big guns hey? Should have gone for him and at the same time put some substance into our ruck stocks. Big O for a year what a joke
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some people just need a reality check , not matter what happens its winge winge winge , reality is just what superstars where you expecting to gain out of a rookie draft , at least now we have insurance when Vickery get injured , Jake King and Jackson get suspended and as always Foley breaks down
I like this
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
Yeah paying Hannath min wage for an extra season would have squeezed out some of our big guns hey? Should have gone for him and at the same time put some substance into our ruck stocks. Big O for a year what a joke
Hannath has no tank and no ticker, a very one dimensional player.......Would have been better off keeping Gus or Browne than clogging the list with Hannath for two seasons.
Xman had no tank until he started applying himself halfway through the season we ended up drafting him, prior to that he made beefcake look like a conditioned athlete.
Players can change their stripes especially ruckmen from what they were at 18-20 to 22-25.
Giles was a dud at port, didnt apply himself, was given another go at 22-23 and slays it now, with rucks you just dont know good they can be till 22-25 - look at Ivan. Hannath may very well be a dud like Xman but I'd rather take the long shot with a player in the age bracket that has upside rather than no upside with big O. I'd have also looked at Currie who North took at pick 60ish. Those are the types we should be churning through to find a player not stuffing 31 y/o never will be's
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
Orren was the best state-leaguer going around. Better than Hannath. Hannath is young though so therefore better?
Yeah paying Hannath min wage for an extra season would have squeezed out some of our big guns hey? Should have gone for him and at the same time put some substance into our ruck stocks. Big O for a year what a joke
See my post above, if you still dont get it then I wont bother with you any more
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
Yeah paying Hannath min wage for an extra season would have squeezed out some of our big guns hey? Should have gone for him and at the same time put some substance into our ruck stocks. Big O for a year what a joke
Hannath has no tank and no ticker, a very one dimensional player.......Would have been better off keeping Gus or Browne than clogging the list with Hannath for two seasons.
Xman had no tank until he started applying himself halfway through the season we ended up drafting him, prior to that he made beefcake look like a conditioned athlete.
Players can change their stripes especially ruckmen from what they were at 18-20 to 22-25.
Giles was a dud at port, didnt apply himself, was given another go at 22-23 and slays it now, with rucks you just dont know good they can be till 22-25 - look at Ivan. Hannath may very well be a dud like Xman but I'd rather take the long shot with a player in the age bracket that has upside rather than no upside with big O. I'd have also looked at Currie who North took at pick 60ish. Those are the types we should be churning through to find a player not stuffing 31 y/o never will be's
And look where Xman has got us! Currie would have been the mature age ruck to go for, he had been on a list before but was cut down with injury. He was by far the best preformed Ruck in the SANFL last year and deserved to be drafted. Obviously we seen more long term upside in McBean and chose not to go down the Currie path. Hannath on the other hand is a plodder not up to AFL standard IMO and there's not a snowflakes chance in hell he will get a game at Freo ;) AT least with Stephenson you know he can come in and fill a roll, he was far from disregardful in his 8 games at Geelong and at the end of the day he is only back up, he may never even play a game in anger for the club!
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Where did Hannath come from and how do you know he's soft and has no tank, TFT? You study him?
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Where did Hannath come from and how do you know he's soft and has no tank, TFT? You study him?
From Centrals you nuffer and as a keen Roosters supporter I seen my fair share of both Hannath and Currie this season! Anything else??
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To be honest I think we should have tried a ruckman from a state league who was say 22 to 25yo instead of a guy who is 30. Nevertheless Im sure Stephenson will make some contribution in the event that Maric cant play all games.
Outside Hannath who we would have had to take PSD which we wanted to save the salary space to pay our good players there wasn't any.
Yeah paying Hannath min wage for an extra season would have squeezed out some of our big guns hey? Should have gone for him and at the same time put some substance into our ruck stocks. Big O for a year what a joke
Hannath has no tank and no ticker, a very one dimensional player.......Would have been better off keeping Gus or Browne than clogging the list with Hannath for two seasons.
Xman had no tank until he started applying himself halfway through the season we ended up drafting him, prior to that he made beefcake look like a conditioned athlete.
Players can change their stripes especially ruckmen from what they were at 18-20 to 22-25.
Giles was a dud at port, didnt apply himself, was given another go at 22-23 and slays it now, with rucks you just dont know good they can be till 22-25 - look at Ivan. Hannath may very well be a dud like Xman but I'd rather take the long shot with a player in the age bracket that has upside rather than no upside with big O. I'd have also looked at Currie who North took at pick 60ish. Those are the types we should be churning through to find a player not stuffing 31 y/o never will be's
And look where Xman has got us! Currie would have been the mature age ruck to go for, he had been on a list before but was cut down with injury. He was by far the best preformed Ruck in the SANFL last year and deserved to be drafted. Obviously we seen more long term upside in McBean and chose not to go down the Currie path. Hannath on the other hand is a plodder not up to AFL standard IMO and there's not a snowflakes chance in hell he will get a game at Freo ;) AT least with Stephenson you know he can come in and fill a roll, he was far from disregardful in his 8 games at Geelong and at the end of the day he is only back up, he may never even play a game in anger for the club!
Hannath wont get as game at Freo bc they are loaded with quality rucks, but they still saw fit to take him over big O. why is that? maybe bc they see some upside in him for when sandilands retires in a few years? obviously they reckon he can be a long term backup for their current number 2 and 3 rucks who will be 1 and 2 in a year or 2
Yeah Xman was a stuff up wo what? you have to churn through them, its a numbers game especially with rucks. If you dont take the chance you will never uncover a hidden gem. Stephenson will never improve and become a medium term player, Hannath may not either, but he has upside and has improved. Whether big O plays a few games or not will not be the difference between finals or bust imo and he certainly wouldnt carry us to finals if Ivan went down, so may as well go with a younger bloke with upside and see what happens.
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Where did Hannath come from and how do you know he's soft and has no tank, TFT? You study him?
From Centrals you nuffer and as a keen Roosters supporter I seen my fair share of both Hannath and Currie this season! Anything else??
You live in Adelaide? I think not. Why spread lies about a young kid?
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But Stephenson was only recruited as depth! nothing more nothing less Just depth. We wont be trying to develope him, there is o chance he will be the next Dean Cox but If Ivan goes down he will fill the role as good as anyone else who was available.
If we loose Maric 6 or 7 games out of the the finals and were still tettering on the edge I know who I would rather have comming in to try and get us over the line :whistle :whistle
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Gold avatar tony_montana :lol :lol
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Where did Hannath come from and how do you know he's soft and has no tank, TFT? You study him?
From Centrals you nuffer and as a keen Roosters supporter I seen my fair share of both Hannath and Currie this season! Anything else??
You live in Adelaide? I think not. Why spread lies about a young kid?
What?? You know I don't live there but spend most weekends in the City of Churches. I have seen more live SANFL games last year than you have in a lifetime!
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"In Internet slang, a troll ( /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."
And no one does it better than Ramps.
***Cue indignant retort***
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yeah i liked it too, it bumped ol scarface and his say hello to my little friend scene ;D
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It is too early (IMO) to be putting the line thou Derickx.
Still young for a ruckman and came late to the game.
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Where did Hannath come from and how do you know he's soft and has no tank, TFT? You study him?
From Centrals you nuffer and as a keen Roosters supporter I seen my fair share of both Hannath and Currie this season! Anything else??
You live in Adelaide? I think not. Why spread lies about a young kid?
What?? You know I don't live there but spend most weekends in the City of Churches. I have seen more live SANFL games last year than you have in a lifetime!
Have you played in any, mate? Give it a rest.
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But Stephenson was only recruited as depth! nothing more nothing less Just depth.
waste of a list spot, we arent gunning for flags here - not yet anyway
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Where did Hannath come from and how do you know he's soft and has no tank, TFT? You study him?
From Centrals you nuffer and as a keen Roosters supporter I seen my fair share of both Hannath and Currie this season! Anything else??
You live in Adelaide? I think not. Why spread lies about a young kid?
What?? You know I don't live there but spend most weekends in the City of Churches. I have seen more live SANFL games last year than you have in a lifetime!
Have you played in any, mate? Give it a rest.
No but I did train with Westy's as a zone player the year before Cooney was drafted from there! I ended up playing the season out with him Flagstaff hill and winning there B&F. I was head hunted the following year by Happy Valley where I did my knee and never played again, Happy Valley won the flag that year and it still tear's at my gut to this day >:(
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But Stephenson was only recruited as depth! nothing more nothing less Just depth.
waste of a list spot, we arent gunning for flags here - not yet anyway
Tony Just cleaned up your Avatar for you and got rid of the end few frames which made no sense :thumbsup
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Oh and I also gave it a little Bruce Lee touch.
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"In Internet slang, a troll ( /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."
And no one does it better than Ramps.
***Cue indignant retort***
next time include a thesauras or a dictionary so I can work out what you're saying. I am not a troll as Billy Joel once sang ... I am an Innocent Man! ;D
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Emma Quayle's thoughts in today's Age:
Similarly, Richmond's decision to take Ricky Petterd, Sam Lonergan and Orren Stephenson with three of its four rookie picks. The selections raised eyebrows, particularly given the club had already recruited Chris Knights and Aaron Edwards. But the Tigers' decisions are understandable.
The club took five kids at last month's national draft, which is more than most. It's retained two young rookies and drafted another one on Tuesday - onballer Cadeyn Williams. It's invested in some youth. For the Tigers, improving might mean hanging tough when next year gets hard or they lose players to injury, and mature bodies are more capable of weathering storms than those of untried teenagers.
Given where their list is at, the Tigers don't need to pour games into a bunch of high draft picks. Like Goodes at the Bulldogs, Lonergan, Petterd and Stephenson aren't clogging up the senior list.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubs-give-boot-to-punts-on-teenagers-20121211-2b7tj.html#ixzz2EktQ8qZ4
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Actually if you read the entire article it appears the whole competition is heading into short cut city. :wallywink
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Actually if you read the entire article it appears the whole competition is heading into short cut city. :wallywink
Yep :thumbsup
Actually it's an interesting read, quality journo is Emma :thumbsup
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Actually if you read the entire article it appears the whole competition is heading into short cut city. :wallywink
:lol
Noooo! We couldn't have actually thought through what we did - had any sort of clue about what we needed in the way of list structure, surely not. There couldn't have been any sort of plan to add some versatility, depth and hardened experience while filling in some structural blanks, yet still adding more new youth than most other teams, to a team of kids that now needs to play competitive finals football in order to continue it's development towards success. No, that's not how it works. Because after all, all the paid professional fulltime employees in our football department are clueless compared to us. ::)
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Stephenson a master stroke by Richmond.
Maric is our number one ruckman but we now have a mature ready made ruckman that can slot straight in.
The other players chosen are ready made insurance.
They all can play next year.
And a young bloke with loads of potential.
Depth? We have it now!
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I can understand why they drafted the way they did.
Just hope it works out.
:cheers
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Depth? We have it now!
On the face of it we have addressed a need. So long as the players injected work out..
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TL:DR but has anyone mentioned there were only 2 clubs to take 5 18 years in this years draft/PSD process? We were one of them.
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TL:DR but has anyone mentioned there were only 2 clubs to take 5 18 years in this years draft/PSD process? We were one of them.
We've added 6 18yo's. CC is underselling it. :thumbsup
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TL:DR but has anyone mentioned there were only 2 clubs to take 5 18 years in this years draft/PSD process? We were one of them.
Won't stop some on here complaining that we took a short cut to success though. Didn't you know that we had abandoned our youth policy for the sake of instant gratification?
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Actually if you read the entire article it appears the whole competition is heading into short cut city. :wallywink
:lol
Noooo! We couldn't have actually thought through what we did - had any sort of clue about what we needed in the way of list structure, surely not. There couldn't have been any sort of plan to add some versatility, depth and hardened experience while filling in some structural blanks, yet still adding more new youth than most other teams, to a team of kids that now needs to play competitive finals football in order to continue it's development towards success. No, that's not how it works. Because after all, all the paid professional fulltime employees in our football department are clueless compared to us. ::)
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I should know ;D
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:lol
Burnt my toast this morning so had the grumps on! :whistle
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;D
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Actually if you read the entire article it appears the whole competition is heading into short cut city. :wallywink
:lol
Noooo! We couldn't have actually thought through what we did - had any sort of clue about what we needed in the way of list structure, surely not. There couldn't have been any sort of plan to add some versatility, depth and hardened experience while filling in some structural blanks, yet still adding more new youth than most other teams, to a team of kids that now needs to play competitive finals football in order to continue it's development towards success. No, that's not how it works. Because after all, all the paid professional fulltime employees in our football department are clueless compared to us. ::)
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I should know ;D
Actually is a form of intelligence . . . idiots can't comprehend sarcasm :shh
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Actually if you read the entire article it appears the whole competition is heading into short cut city. :wallywink
:lol
Noooo! We couldn't have actually thought through what we did - had any sort of clue about what we needed in the way of list structure, surely not. There couldn't have been any sort of plan to add some versatility, depth and hardened experience while filling in some structural blanks, yet still adding more new youth than most other teams, to a team of kids that now needs to play competitive finals football in order to continue it's development towards success. No, that's not how it works. Because after all, all the paid professional fulltime employees in our football department are clueless compared to us. ::)
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I should know ;D
Actually is a form of intelligence . . . idiots can't comprehend sarcasm :shh
I know. That's why some people on here take issue with what I write even when I'm taking the pee.
Regards
Coach
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Just wanted to officially welcome back a long lost friend of the RFC over the last 3 years - so its a big welcome back to Short Cut City.
Great player is short cut problem is he has never worked out in the past and doubt anything will change this time.
So for Hardwick and Cameron this is it. The big play ... no finals gentlemen and you should both be at CENTRELINK at the end of 2013. Finals or the unemployment queue. What a shame the club has gotten this desperate. Anyway good luck to all the players.
Bearing in mind that GWS and Gold Coast have received so many priority picks etc, what would you suggest we did? We needed to delist a lot of our players and picking these ones up for very little $ would seem to be necessary to field a team, or is there something I am missing here?
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Dont mind Lonergan and Petterd, reckon Petterd is talented and could be a 3rd tall foil. Not happy about big O though but its done now
Im not overly either, that said , the ruck insurance absolutely needs to ready to go. We have developing options in vick and mcbean ..stepho is the insurance policy, he may very well barely pay a game
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O doesn't have to contribute to add value.
His presence on the list alone
A) allows vickery to play the forward role
b) forces Derickx/StephO genuine competition for the coburg/back up ruck role. Hopefully a season long battle for the #2 spot.
C) allows us to play mcbean in whatever position we prefer for him in the 2s, don't have to rush him when not ready
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Short Cut City.
Is it like Car City except with acres of shortcuts?
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The more i think about it the more i like the selection of the big O. At his age he could only possibly clog our list for two years before his retirement, not the standard 5 or 6 years our other list cloggers have used up in the past.
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Disagree with most people here.
No short cuts taken. Three of the "short cut" players taken are rookies. They are not on the senior list. They can be dismissed after one year and are on minimal coin.
The club has cleverly utilised changes in the rookie draft rules to get back up players. I think that is excellent lateral thinking and I am sure other clubs will follow suit in coming years.
The question to all the smarties here is that if they just went for youth with the rookies how many of them will make it. History says not many at all. Sure you can pick out the odd success here and there but in general there is a reason why these players have not been picked up in the ND by all 18 clubs. You now must back your recruiters who are far more well resourced than in the past not to miss too many hidden gems.
Well done guys. It's good to take the lead in new techniques and strategies and be a pace setter rather than a copy cat. With this rookie draft and the heat training rather than altitude training it shows we are constantly looking outside the square for new solutions.
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b) forces Derickx/StephO genuine competition for the coburg/back up ruck role. Hopefully a season long battle for the #2 spot.
Derickx had that last season with Graham and Browne and couldn't get near either of them, despite getting senior games ahead of Browne mid-season. He didn't deserve those games and he needs to improve a hell of a lot if he is to 'compete' with Stephenson for a spot.