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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 12, 2012, 01:57:03 AM
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Richmond Tigers primed for top four, says David King
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
December 12, 2012
RICHMOND should be aiming for a top-four finish after yesterday's dramatic influx of recycled players, former assistant coach David King says.
"They need a slice of luck and they need some midfield players to come along with Trent Cotchin, but they are certainly in very good shape to attack the top four," he said.
"If (Reece) Conca and (Dustin) Martin spike up and become good players the world is their oyster."
Richmond, which has not made the eight since 1991, yesterday rookie-listed former Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson, ex-Essendon midfielder Sam Lonergan and delisted Melbourne forward Ricky Petterd.
The Tigers also picked up Adelaide half-forward Chris Knights and key defender Troy Chaplin as free agents and swapped pick 74 for North Melbourne forward Aaron Edwards in the trade period.
The club last night warned against outlandish expectations, however.
Head of football Craig Cameron said the Tigers were simply adding experience to a team that was at times close to the youngest in the competition last year.
"Apart from the expansion sides last year we were either the youngest or second-youngest list, depending on which side we played," he said.
"In the last four years we have been keen to improve our average games of experience and bringing some more mature players in helps.
"We have brought a whole heap of younger players in over the last four years, including four 18-year-olds at the national draft, and one more 18-year-old as a rookie yesterday.
"So we have looked after our future in terms of the national draft and we have taken (experienced players) as rookies."
King believes the club should dare to dream big, given the new acquisitions and Richmond's recent recruiting successes.
"The number one thing is their list has improved and that brings a level of expectation," he said.
"The list rebuild has been done very wisely but with the guys they have got in, if they can get similar output from the fresh faces as they did last year they are every chance to shoot for the top four."
Richmond, which has set as its goal a finals berth next year after 11 consecutive barren Septembers, also took Murray Bushrangers midfielder Cadeyn Williams.
Stephenson has been taken as back-up for first-choice ruckman Ivan Maric but Petterd has been a dangerous forward when injury-free and Lonergan will add midfield depth.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-tigers-primed-for-top-four-says-david-king/story-e6frf9jf-1226534828174
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Richmond, which has not made the eight since 1991
Presume they mean 2001.
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Richmond, which has not made the eight since 1991
Presume they mean 2001.
Would hope so ;D
It has started, wonder how many people will get sucked in by it ;D
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they just love putting us up on a pedestal and waiting for the fall. :sleep
In saying that, we were only two goals a week from a top 4 this year, but the reality is is doesn't quite work that easily.
In many games last year it was our ability to convert forward entries into goals and they have attempted to rectify that problem. Time will tell how successfully they have done so.
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Richmond, which has not made the eight since 1991
Presume they mean 2001.
Would hope so ;D
It has started, wonder how many people will get sucked in by it ;D
I'm in.
To borrow a famous quote "GO U TIGERS" :lol
To King's credit at least he didn't say flag like that other article. :bow
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Richmond, which has not made the eight since 1991
Presume they mean 2001.
Ralphy strikes again
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Lets Just focus on beating the Tankers in round 1 and then Gold Coast in Cairns. We have to break these ridiculous hoodoo's if we are going to play final footy in 2013.
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I reckon we're not far away at all if things go right.
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Top 4 might be a bit rich, but still pretty possible. Reckon we're a top 6 shoe in.
Though what makes me laugh is no one is saying these things about Melbourne and their recycled retards :lol
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Top 4 might be a bit rich, but still pretty possible. Reckon we're a top 6 shoe in.
Though what makes me laugh is no one is saying these things about Melbourne and their recycled fools :lol
Because they overpaid for duds. We value added higher level players. :lol
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It's poo like this that will help us miss finals once again. It gets to the players
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Top 4 might be a bit rich, but still pretty possible. Reckon we're a top 6 shoe in.
Though what makes me laugh is no one is saying these things about Melbourne and their recycled fools :lol
Because they overpaid for duds. We value added higher level players. :lol
Truly a master stroke buying players nobody else wanted. What the hell were we thinking? :banghead
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It's poo like this that will help us miss finals once again. It gets to the players
Very true in the past, I remember when I used to go to training back in the 90's and early 00's during the preseasons where we were talked up, the club had a culture where the players just expected it to happen and didnt have that fire in the belly to strive to get better on the park, it was almost a mentality of "weve arrived" - inevitably we'd fall flat on our faces pretty quick the next season.
Pretty sure this group has a lot more substance to them. But this talk of top 4 is pure garbage, there are some very very good sides in the comp that are more advanced than us, i'll take 7th or 8th to start with and build from there
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Can,t see any reason why we couldn,t make the top 8 next year,Top 4 might be a bit of a stretch,But you never know.
2 final sides who i think we can "overtake" next year are:
Geelong-Retirement of Scarlett will hurt bigtime,While their other stars are getting on.
North-Soft draw last year meant they were a monty for finals.This year alot tougher.
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It's poo like this that will help us miss finals once again. It gets to the players
Very true in the past, I remember when I used to go to training back in the 90's and early 00's during the preseasons where we were talked up, the club had a culture where the players just expected it to happen and didnt have that fire in the belly to strive to get better on the park, it was almost a mentality of "weve arrived" - inevitably we'd fall flat on our faces pretty quick the next season.
Pretty sure this group has a lot more substance to them. But this talk of top 4 is pure garbage, there are some very very good sides in the comp that are more advanced than us, i'll take 7th or 8th to start with and build from there
exactly, let's just focus on embarrassing Essendong in week 1 of the finals and take it from there ;D
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So long as no-one at the club is saying it IDGAF.
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where's gary march when you need him?
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It's poo like this that will help us miss finals once again. It gets to the players
Very true in the past, I remember when I used to go to training back in the 90's and early 00's during the preseasons where we were talked up, the club had a culture where the players just expected it to happen and didnt have that fire in the belly to strive to get better on the park, it was almost a mentality of "weve arrived" - inevitably we'd fall flat on our faces pretty quick the next season.
Pretty sure this group has a lot more substance to them. But this talk of top 4 is pure garbage, there are some very very good sides in the comp that are more advanced than us, i'll take 7th or 8th to start with and build from there
exactly, let's just focus on embarrassing Essendong in week 1 of the finals and take it from there ;D
Will be a bit hard when they're already on end of season trips :shh
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It's poo like this that will help us miss finals once again. It gets to the players
Very true in the past, I remember when I used to go to training back in the 90's and early 00's during the preseasons where we were talked up, the club had a culture where the players just expected it to happen and didnt have that fire in the belly to strive to get better on the park, it was almost a mentality of "weve arrived" - inevitably we'd fall flat on our faces pretty quick the next season.
Pretty sure this group has a lot more substance to them. But this talk of top 4 is pure garbage, there are some very very good sides in the comp that are more advanced than us, i'll take 7th or 8th to start with and build from there
exactly, let's just focus on embarrassing Essendong in week 1 of the finals and take it from there ;D
Will be a bit hard when they're already on end of season trips :shh
:lol
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Yesssss :clapping
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At least Ralphy got the right year (2001) in this article.
Finals or bust for Richmond Tigers in 2013
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
December 12, 2012
RICHMOND hasn't become the Visy Tigers because it is ready to win a premiership.
It has topped up with enough recycled players to make Jeanne Pratt proud because it can't even beat Gold Coast.
Kurt Tippett might have finally arrived at Sydney yesterday, but the headline act of the pre-season and rookie drafts was still Damien Hardwick's Tigers.
You can't recruit Sam Lonergan, Ricky Petterd and Orren Stephenson without immediately heaping expectation upon the AFL's most persistent underachiever of the past 30 seasons.
Richmond knows it and those Twitter wags yesterday suggesting a Visy sponsorship know it.
In all, Richmond has added six recycled players in the space of one off-season hit, with Aaron Edwards lured in the trade period and Troy Chaplin and Chris Knights added through free agency.
Not even the reality the six players were effectively taken for the swapped No.74 pick it took to get Edwards will stop some from believing Richmond is getting ahead of itself.
But inside Punt Road this off-season, the reality is very different.
Hardwick was totally aware that as injuries finally hit Richmond in the last half of the 2012 season, they had no one left to turn to.
No back-up for Ivan Maric when his groins started screaming, no second-forward option when Jack Riewoldt got sore and Tyrone Vickery busted up his shoulders.
And no midfield depth when Dustin Martin was suspended and Nathan Foley's troublesome achilles flared up again.
It saw the Tigers win just three of the last eight games, unable to beat Gold Coast for a second successive year and only drawing the Round 23 clash against easybeats Port Adelaide.
Petterd and Edwards won't tear a game apart, but they might draw enough attention from Riewoldt to let him explode.
Ditto for Sam Lonergan and Knights in the midfield rotation, who will allow Brett Deledio, Martin and Trent Cotchin to spend more time forward of centre.
So while the recruiting spree will add heat to the Carlton-Richmond Round 1 clash, it is really about ensuring that first finals campaign since 2001, not the Tigers setting their sights on a flag.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/finals-or-bust-for-richmond-tigers-in-2013/story-fn7shx05-1226534825190
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Same David King who predicted we would make the eight deep into last season.
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Same David King who predicted we would make the eight deep into last season.
"Lock for top 6" :wallywink
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Same David King who predicted we would make the eight deep into last season.
"Lock for top 6" :wallywink
Would've been if not for injuries :rollin
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Kingy :bow
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Same David King who predicted we would make the eight deep into last season.
Still can figure out how we didnt play finals last year ,
Oh wait yes we couldn't beat GC, Carlton, North, Port when we had them all on toast.
Maybe we lacked the depth to cover injuries
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Big Jay 13 marks and 4 goals on Alex Rance :clapping Yesssss big mann
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Jon Ralph reminds me of posters on that other site.
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David King, likes to embelish things.
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David King, likes to embelish things.
:thumbsup
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At least Ralphy got the right year (2001) in this article.
Finals or bust for Richmond Tigers in 2013
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
December 12, 2012
RICHMOND hasn't become the Visy Tigers because it is ready to win a premiership.
It has topped up with enough recycled players to make Jeanne Pratt proud because it can't even beat Gold Coast.
Kurt Tippett might have finally arrived at Sydney yesterday, but the headline act of the pre-season and rookie drafts was still Damien Hardwick's Tigers.
You can't recruit Sam Lonergan, Ricky Petterd and Orren Stephenson without immediately heaping expectation upon the AFL's most persistent underachiever of the past 30 seasons.
Richmond knows it and those Twitter wags yesterday suggesting a Visy sponsorship know it.
In all, Richmond has added six recycled players in the space of one off-season hit, with Aaron Edwards lured in the trade period and Troy Chaplin and Chris Knights added through free agency.
Not even the reality the six players were effectively taken for the swapped No.74 pick it took to get Edwards will stop some from believing Richmond is getting ahead of itself.
But inside Punt Road this off-season, the reality is very different.
Hardwick was totally aware that as injuries finally hit Richmond in the last half of the 2012 season, they had no one left to turn to.
No back-up for Ivan Maric when his groins started screaming, no second-forward option when Jack Riewoldt got sore and Tyrone Vickery busted up his shoulders.
And no midfield depth when Dustin Martin was suspended and Nathan Foley's troublesome achilles flared up again.
It saw the Tigers win just three of the last eight games, unable to beat Gold Coast for a second successive year and only drawing the Round 23 clash against easybeats Port Adelaide.
Petterd and Edwards won't tear a game apart, but they might draw enough attention from Riewoldt to let him explode.
Ditto for Sam Lonergan and Knights in the midfield rotation, who will allow Brett Deledio, Martin and Trent Cotchin to spend more time forward of centre.
So while the recruiting spree will add heat to the Carlton-Richmond Round 1 clash, it is really about ensuring that first finals campaign since 2001, not the Tigers setting their sights on a flag.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/finals-or-bust-for-richmond-tigers-in-2013/story-fn7shx05-1226534825190
He has more than one groin? Has he got four legs? Interweb pernster?
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He has more than one groin? Has he got four legs? Interweb pernster?
Actually everyone has two groin muscles
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He has more than one groin? Has he got four legs? Interweb pernster?
Actually everyone has two groin muscles
Owl only has two clams.
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He has more than one groin? Has he got four legs? Interweb pernster?
Actually everyone has two groin muscles
Owl only has two clams.
No back up for owl when his clams started screaming
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LMFAO :lol
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When the guys on the morning show called david king the other morning to discuss, he said "look and if they don't make it we all get to laugh at them AGAIN" he is a complete knob and setting us up...*gain
Can jack off leatherface and any other ex employee of the club who has bad blood
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David King said we'd finish 6th this year after we beat Hawthorn and Sydney IIRC :wallywink.
We'll still need a bit of good fortune to make the finals next year. It would only take a mid-to-long term injury or two to our top liners such as big Ivan, Cotch, Lids or Jack to severely test our depth again and upset our season aims. Carlton found that out this year. Top 4 is actually possible if we can sustain and improve on the form and standard of play we showed in the first half of the season this year for the whole of next year. Turn those narrow losses into wins on top of the comfortable wins and we'll get off to a flyer. Conversely we won't make the finals if we dish up anything close to the rubbish standard we displayed during the second half of this year. That's why our younger blokes entering their 3rd-4th years need to step up in 2013 and add some badly needed quality depth on top of the mature newbies we've recruited as best 22ers as well as rookie back-ups.
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Why bag Kingy for having faith in his old side? It's not his fault we choked last season
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for list balance we had to take some older players.
we have as of march 26 2013
22 yolds and under or junior players, 22 players.
23 yo - 27 yo or mature and developing players , 18 players.
28 plus or veterans, 4 players.
i still believe we could have 3 or 4 more players aged 22 plus. lets not forget we actually cut 4 or 5 players aged 23 plus. connors 24, moore 28 miller 29 graham 25 and webberley 24.
one thing for sure with the older types taken it helps to really balance out the list with younger blokes now a yr older.
its when you break it down further into player types, games played, and quality that the real problems start to appear.
the way i look at it we have effectively after retirements and delistings gained one mature player on what we had last yr.
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for list balance we had to take some older players.
we have as of march 26 2013
22 yolds and under or junior players, 22 players.
23 yo - 27 yo or mature and developing players , 18 players.
28 plus or veterans, 4 players.
i still believe we could have 3 or 4 more players aged 22 plus. lets not forget we actually cut 4 or 5 players aged 23 plus. connors 24, moore 28 miller 29 graham 25 and webberley 24.
one thing for sure with the older types taken it helps to really balance out the list with younger blokes now a yr older.
its when you break it down further into player types, games played, and quality that the real problems start to appear.
the way i look at it we have effectively after retirements and delistings gained one mature player on what we had last yr.
i would think that because the under 22yos that we have recruited recently, have more mature heads and mostly more mature bodies it will enhance what you are trying to balance..
Is this the Pelchan brief you are trying to have Richmond follow
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for list balance we had to take some older players.
we have as of march 26 2013
22 yolds and under or junior players, 22 players.
23 yo - 27 yo or mature and developing players , 18 players.
28 plus or veterans, 4 players.
i still believe we could have 3 or 4 more players aged 22 plus. lets not forget we actually cut 4 or 5 players aged 23 plus. connors 24, moore 28 miller 29 graham 25 and webberley 24.
one thing for sure with the older types taken it helps to really balance out the list with younger blokes now a yr older.
its when you break it down further into player types, games played, and quality that the real problems start to appear.
the way i look at it we have effectively after retirements and delistings gained one mature player on what we had last yr.
i would think that because the under 22yos that we have recruited recently, have more mature heads and mostly more mature bodies it will enhance what you are trying to balance..
Is this the Pelchan brief you are trying to have Richmond follow
nothing to do with pelchen though i lke a lot of what he does.
just plain old common sense and learning from other clubs things that have worked.
all clubs have age brackets that go hand in hand with games played brackets. you could theoretically have an older list than most other sides but be less experienced in the games played category. is steven morris an experienced player in age ? yes he is. but as far as time in the afl system and games played goes no.
age brackets are important to adequately insure you have enough players for depth, development, and game day. . eg for me the ideal number of tall forwards on your list is 6. preferably 2 juniors 18 to 22. 2 development 23 to 25 and 2 mature /vets. then you need to look at type and roles they perform and work out what you are lacking. ie the club recognised the need for a 195/100 kg kpd and went and got chaplin. no problems here. the only debate or difference of opinion is how people rate him and what role he should perform. to me he must play fb as a shut down player on the bigger key forwards in the comp. should we be looking for a junior player of his size possibly.
seems to me the closer you get to finals the more players you need to fall into the 23 24 25 plus age brackets with 80 or 100 games behind them. i dont believe any club can build a premiership side without taking its share of mature types as well as kids. i also recognise that your top picks like cotchin dont fall into these categories but their quality elevates them.
our aim is clearly finals taking mature types was a must we should have taken a few more imo. i have no gripe with us taking mature players but i do gripe on type and weather they are good enough and where we get em from.
me i would have been real happy to take
moloney mid f/a
stefan martin back up ruckman trade.
jack hannath 21 yr old junior ruckman capable of playing straight away. psd
kyle martin mid 22 yr old state league player. nd
sam dwyer mid 26 yr old mid state league capable of playing straight away rookie.
these to go with
chaplin kpd
knights mid
edwards medium forward.
howson kpf 18yr old kpf.
colqhuon mid 18yo nd
thats 7 seniors. 2 juniors of an age that says they can play straight away and two 18 yr olds, kpf who meets a list shortfall and a mid.
these are without the 4 nd picks that we used, thats 15 all up we cut 12 it wasnt hard to cut a few more.
new mids
moloney short term a player to take us to finals.
dwyer short med term better prospect than lonergan. this bloke can play. at the least he can run and has good skills.
martin long term prospect and has shown he can play.
knights short med term mid who should help get us to finals if he can stay injury free and find form.
colquhoun. long term prospect. would happily have given him a go at 33 or 42 nd.
new ruckmen
martin 26 yr old cant understand why melb let him go was just starting to get it together when injuries hit this yr.
hannath 21 yr old long term ruckman looks more likely than any ruckman we have other than ivan atm.
both have to be infinately better prospects than stephenson. if we were after a one yr player why not hudson.
kpd
chaplin short to medium term fix. we probably need another 195/100 kg or future 195/100 kg player in our system to take his place in 4 5 yrs time.
kpf
howson. 195cm goal kicker keep on saying if the club insists griffiths and astbury are defenders then a kpf or two is a must. young or mature.
medium forward
edwards. just needed a player of his type for lots of good reasons. we now also have petterd and knights to go with ohanlon.
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You can't have 2 mature key forwards
And 2 23-25 yoa key forwards.
This middle group would be upset at not playing senior football and asked to be traded in this hypothetical situation