One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 01, 2013, 01:19:07 PM
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2013 Premiership
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1. Hawthorn 3.50
2. Sydney 7.00
2. West Coast 7.00
4. Carlton 9.00
4. Collingwood 9.00
6. Geelong 11.00
7. Adelaide 13.00
8. Fremantle 15.00
9. Essendon 17.00
10. Richmond 21.00
11. St Kilda 26.00
12. North Melb. 34.00
13. Brisbane 101.00
14. Melbourne 251.00
14. Port Adel. 251.00
14. W.Bulldogs 251.00
17. Gold Coast 501.00
18. GWS 1001.00
Top 8
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1. Hawthorn 1.10
2. Sydney 1.15
2. West Coast 1.15
4. Adelaide 1.30
5. Carlton 1.35
5. Geelong 1.35
7. Collingwood 1.45
8. Fremantle 1.50
9. Richmond 1.90 :P
9. St Kilda 1.90
11. Essendon 2.25
12. North Melb. 2.50
13. Brisbane 3.50
14. Melbourne 9.00
14. Port Adel. 9.00
16. W.Bulldogs 13.00
17. Gold Coast 26.00
18. GWS 51.00
https://www.tab.com.au/#!/vic/sports/betting/standard/AFL/AFL-Futures
For the first time in many a year, Richmond ($21/$26) will start the season at a shorter price to win the cup than St Kilda ($26/$34).
The Tigers are also shorter than North Melbourne ($31/$34), despite the Roos playing finals last season and the Tigers ending the year in twelfth spot with just 10 wins.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-31/punters-say-cats-not-done
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Nice troll TAB
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Chuck a tenner or bombres and brisbane, both looking good value. :shh imo anyway
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Chuck a tenner or bombres and brisbane, both looking good value. :shh imo anyway
Nah, Melbourne. Have you seen their forward line? :shh
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Chuck a tenner or bombres and brisbane, both looking good value. :shh imo anyway
Nah, Melbourne. Have you seen their forward line? :shh
I like your thinkin, maybe should back nought melbourne into minor premiers and make some real dough :shh
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It's the supporter base! Will make us almost impossible to bet on in a couple of years! Not really fair on the tragics, but hey waddya do?
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Chuck a tenner or bombres and brisbane, both looking good value. :shh imo anyway
To do what ::)
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Chuck a tenner or bombres and brisbane, both looking good value. :shh imo anyway
To do what ::)
Well the bummers are a monty to shoot out of the blocks early and look finals bound.
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Chuck a tenner or bombres and brisbane, both looking good value. :shh imo anyway
To do what ::)
To make the eight bojo ::) sheesh :shh
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Connolly saying we won't have it easy squeezing into the Eight...
What's next?
Rohan Connolly
The Age
January 2, 2013
Season 2013 is already shaping as one of the most competitive we have seen, with precious little gap between the top few teams and a bigger than usual cluster of outsiders attempting to break into the top eight.
Hawthorn has been stung by its failure to win a premiership that seemed there for the taking, and will hit back hard. Sydney won't be going anywhere, while Collingwood and Geelong remain determined to prove their eras of success are an ongoing concern, not history.
The Western Australian bloc of West Coast and Fremantle will continue to push hard, and there will be even greater expectations than usual on an improving Richmond, with the Tiger army as impatient as ever for long-promised returns.
The Tigers won't have it easy squeezing into the eight, though. Carlton, under the guidance of Mick Malthouse, will be watched closely. On talent, the Blues are good enough to mix it with the top few.
There will be plenty of eyes on James Hird's Essendon, too. Last season the Bombers crashed spectacularly to injury and lapsed confidence, but their best is still imposing.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afls-year-of-triumph-and-ignominy-20130101-2c3rb.html#ixzz2GkHEyHAx
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Not sure if I'm missing something, but what's the deal with the Blues? They still lack a key forward, and have the same lack of depth issues as last year under Ratten. They haven't upgraded their list in any way whatsoever or done anything to cover their deficiencies, yet a new coach means they'll stroll into finals?
If they make it ill apologise, but I'm sorry I think it's a crock of poo.
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Not sure if I'm missing something, but what's the deal with the Blues?
One Player Really-Andrew Collins!!!!!!!!
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Not sure if I'm missing something, but what's the deal with the Blues? They still lack a key forward, and have the same lack of depth issues as last year under Ratten. They haven't upgraded their list in any way whatsoever or done anything to cover their deficiencies, yet a new coach means they'll stroll into finals?
If they make it ill apologise, but I'm sorry I think it's a crock of poo.
:clapping
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For mine, Adelaide are rated too highly. No way would I have them top 4 after what has happened with losing Tippett and the salary cap circus around it. Just from a structural point of view it has to imbalance their forward line with Walker now the sole main tall forward target. They also had a soft draw last year and were shown up in the finals as a result. North are the other ones who IMO will drop out for the same reason as the Crows (harder draw/exposed as pretenders in that elimination final). So that's at least two spots open. There's usually also a club that falls out that everyone preseason reckons are certs to make the finals (like Carlton last year). All you need is a bad run with injuries to key players, a couple of unexpected losses and a drop in team confidence and it can totally derail your season. So I'm predicting 2-3 changes to the top 8 this year. Hopefully we develop and mature further as a side this year and are one of the ins :pray.
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Chuck a tenner or bombres and brisbane, both looking good value. :shh imo anyway
Essendon no chance
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Eight it great?
Rohan Connolly
The Age
January 6, 2013
NO NEWS is generally good news this time of year for AFL fans, the Christmas-New Year window perhaps the only period these days supporters can switch off from the never-ending sporting news cycle and dream a little football dream.
The new recruits are on board and, of course, training the house down. The players have already broken the back of the physical pre-season load. The holes in the game plan are being addressed and there's been no practice matches to puncture the balloon of optimism.
Everyone can feel like a winner heading into a new football year. The funny thing, though, in 2013, is that the surfeit of optimism may this time have more basis in reality than delusion.
I've never approached the task of compiling a predicted ladder for the season ahead with anything less than caution, but this year it's shaping more as an exercise in terror such is the scope to make an ass of one's self.
There's no reason the top teams won't stay up, of likely improvers we have more than a handful, and even a couple of the popular also-rans have compelling cases for something more than mediocrity. So how do you put 12 or 13 teams into a top eight?
Richmond has already built a big enough bandwagon about its 2013 prospects that it can hardly be called a potential bolter. We've seen it before with the Tigers, of course, hence the accompanying cynicism, but this time all the signs really are there.
Foremost is the scope for incremental improvement through further experience. Of which, bearing in mind in 2012 they lost six games by just 12 points or less, they don't need a lot to be aiming seriously at the top four, let alone the eight.
Logically, then, the three sides that finished above Richmond on the ladder yet still shy of the eight should have claims as sound. And they do.
Particularly Carlton, which clearly offended some or other football god given the range of injuries it copped to key players in every part of the ground last season. You wouldn't expect a repeat of that, but you would of the traditional ''new coach bounce'', particularly when that coach has an aura as intimidating as does Mick Malthouse.
Don't forget, the Blues were 5-1 and second on the ladder a quarter of the way through the season.
Essendon was 8-1 and equal top close to halfway, before crashing and burning, or more appropriately limping home, even more spectacularly.
The soft tissue shambles has been sorted out, claims the club, which, in Brendon Goddard, has also landed its biggest fish, in a recruiting sense, since Graham Moss 40 years ago. While there will be increasing pressure on the coaching of James Hird this year, the Bombers' best in 2012 spoke plenty.
St Kilda, too, should be factored into serious finals talk despite having lost Goddard. The Saints under Scott Watters have spruced up their game style with a more attacking bent, but also, importantly, expanded their repertoire of key contributors, reducing some of the load on Nick Riewoldt, Lenny Hayes and co.
The Saints' 12 wins and very healthy percentage would have been good enough to get them into the eight in any of the five previous seasons to 2012. It may well be again this year, too.
If historical perspectives are your guide, here's another genuine roughie you might want to ponder. The Brisbane Lions finished 13th with 10 wins last year. Only one other side has ever matched that, Richmond in 1997, and the Tigers would miss the eight the following year by percentage only.
Every potential riser up the ladder needs an accompanying slider to make room. But unlike some, I can't see any obvious teams headed for the scrap heap.
Anyone forecasting Adelaide's demise in a whirlwind of fines and draft sanctions overestimates both the distance between the scandal come next March, and the extent of the influence the departed Kurt Tippett had on the Crows' fortunes last season.
Fremantle has perennial sceptics, but the foundations laid by coach Ross Lyon in his first season were as solid as the Dockers have known. The scope for further improvement - evidenced in a more fluid style and greater potency the longer last year went - was ominous indeed.
A recruit in Danyle Pearce and a virtual one in Anthony Morabito certainly won't hurt, either.
Geelong, too, knows plenty about serial doubters. As abrupt as their exit from last September was, the Cats have prepared themselves for generational change better than most.
Their roll call of debutants in 2012 was as long as any reigning premier for 40 years and the post-season acquisition of Hamish McIntosh, Jared Rivers and highly regarded Josh Caddy indicates a side that still has its eye firmly on the here and now.
The rest? I can't see a lot to get hugely excited about with the Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide. I wouldn't be nearly as surprised to see Melbourne improve substantially on its measly four wins, the additions of Chris Dawes, Shannon Byrnes and David Rodan having the potential to make as pronounced a cultural impact as purely one on results.
Logic suggests, too, that the young turks at Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney should be thrashed less often and competitive more often. All of which would lend itself to a top-eight traffic jam the likes of which even Melbourne's CBD at peak hour has seldom seen.
To adapt George Orwell, some football years are more equal than others, and, in this brief little period of unabashed optimism, AFL 2013 right now certainly looks like being one of them.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/eight-it-great-20130105-2ca7h.html#ixzz2H88PydzP