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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WilliamPowell on May 23, 2005, 07:58:50 PM
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Terry Wallace is one of the scheduled guests for tonight's (23/5/05) "On the Couch"
:gobdrop :gobdrop Struth that'll be the 3 rd Tiger guest in 9 rounds ;D
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Wallace swipe at Spud
24 May 2005
Herald Sun
Rebecca Williams
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace last night took a veiled swipe at his predecessor Danny Frawley, describing the Tigers as a "mess" and in "disarray" when he took over the job.
Wallace told Fox Footy's On the Couch he was surprised at the state the team was in when he stepped in to replace Frawley, who was sacked after five years at the helm.
When asked what he identified as needing to change in the weeks after he first arrived at Punt Rd, Wallace said: "I identified a mess for a start. I was just really surprised at the disarray the place was in.
"Just from a presence and an outlook, it was very, very poor. There was a lot of things that needed to be done.
"I thought the fitness component needed to lift and certainly the skill level of the playing group."
Richmond has been the success story of the competition this year, sitting in third position with seven wins and just two losses.
After a season of off-field turmoil last year, Wallace said he was pleased the focus was back on football.
"The footy is doing to the talking for the club at the moment and let's hope it can stay that way," he said.
"We set ourselves to make the eight and that's where we're going."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15387149%255E19742,00.html
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Another backhander at Spud ;D although Wallace has said the exact same thing about the place being a mess before - ripping out the bar in players' dirty meeting room, quadrupling our skill sessions because our skill level was pathetic and commenting on our blokes having legs like tennis players or something similar - so hardly earth-shattering news. The media have just woken up that Terry wasn't kidding.
And guess who will be doing the "special comments" about us on Friday night for channel 9 ::).
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And guess who will be doing the "special comments" about us on Friday night for channel 9 ::).
Um Er - Spud - and would they be special comments or "special" comments if u now what I mean :rollin
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Spud's only brought it on himself. If he's got any sense he'll not say a word in reply.
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Without Anita he would be in a home....a mobile one.
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RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace last night took a veiled swipe at his predecessor Danny Frawley, describing the Tigers as a "mess" and in "disarray" when he took over the job.
Wallace told Fox Footy's On the Couch he was surprised at the state the team was in when he stepped in to replace Frawley, who was sacked after five years at the helm.
Rubbish, Rebecca. ???
Wallace was commenting on how the place looked. He also made no mention of stepping in to replace Frawley.
Could it be that things are going too well at Tigerland so it's time to stir up some manufactured poo?
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Rubbish, Rebecca. ???
Wallace was commenting on how the place looked. He also made no mention of stepping in to replace Frawley.
Could it be that things are going too well at Tigerland so it's time to stir up some manufactured pooh?
Exactly right FishFinger. Let’s not let the truth get in the way of some drama. ::) TW has said before that if they wanted things to be ‘cleaned up’ that the coaches had to get in there and help, or just do it themselves, due to a lack of resources.
Without knowing how long things were in a mess, how can anyone say it’s DF’s fault. If it were me, I’d be taking a swipe at RFC, because it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if things were in such a state before DF ever got there.
Good to see someone's got the motivation to clean up our act.
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Rubbish, Rebecca. ???
Wallace was commenting on how the place looked. He also made no mention of stepping in to replace Frawley.
Could it be that things are going too well at Tigerland so it's time to stir up some manufactured pooh?
Exactly right FF - I watched the interview and he was speaking about the state of the place - didn't mention the team.
Another backhander at Spud ;D although Wallace has said the exact same thing about the place being a mess before - ripping out the bar in players' dirty meeting room,
Just on this bar in the meeting room - it was a "bar" in the Graeme Richmond room and I doubt very much anyone was allowed to do anything to it before.
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He may not have taken a swipe at spud
but if he had of,it would have been deserved.
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Can you believe it? Now they’re even asking DF to comment.
Here’s the link, for anyone interested:
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=204833
Do some of these people do any research, or become a little bit familiar with what they’re writing about? Some of them seriously come across like absolute amateurs.
There was a story printed some months ago where TW made similar comments. Somewhere, he also talked about the lack of resources, which forced them to do the work themselves. How is that taking a swipe at DF?
:rollin @ this only being a story to the people writing it and not the ones reading it. :help
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There was a story printed some months ago where TW made similar comments. Somewhere, he also talked about the lack of resources, which forced them to do the work themselves.
Caro wrote an article about Terry's initial impressions in October last year. The one where she mentioned the bar being ripped out etc..
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"I haven’t got a response to be perfectly honest, because you've got to give the current coach the humility and the respect they deserve, and I'm not going to comment on those issues," Frawley said on Tuesday.
"Basically, one - I haven't seen it, and two - I've got a message to ring Terry that I haven't been able to get back to because I'm working at Linfox during the week
LMAO
Like he'd actually be busy at his charity,Linfox gig. :shh
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lmfaoo@Frawley needing half a day to summons the balls to call Wallace.
"Should I call him Anita? What do you think he'll say to me?"
"You idiot Danny. Don't forget to bring back some donuts for the kids."
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Wallace denies Frawley dig
5:02:04 PM Tue 24 May, 2005
Paul Gough
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace has strongly denied criticising former coach Danny Frawley in a television interview saying his comments about "the place being disarray" when he took over from Frawley were to do with the club's run down facilities rather than the state of the team.
The Tigers finished with their first wooden spoon since 1989 in Frawley's final year in charge last year, losing their last 14 games, but under Wallace are sitting in third place after nine rounds of 2005 with seven wins.
Speaking on Fox Footy on Monday night, Wallace, when asked what needed to change at Tigerland when he took over, replied: "I identified a mess for a start, I was just really surprised at the disarray the place was in."
Wallace went on to say: "Just from a presence and an outlook it was very, very poor and there were a lot of things that needed to be done.'
A newspaper article suggested on Tuesday these comments were on attack on the state of the team when Wallace took over from Frawley, but a disappointed Wallace said in his regular weekly media conference on Tuesday they were nothing of the sort.
"I woke up this morning to my alarm going of with the radio news and hearing I had taken a swipe at the ex-coach of this club - Danny Frawley," he said.
"But I wasn't having a swipe at Danny Frawley - what I meant was the place was in a mess and that is why I used the word place."
Wallace said he was shocked at the condition of the players' gymnasium and recreation area as well as the offices of the football staff which were rundown compared to the Tigers' brand new administration area and swimming pool which had just been built next door.
"The windows hadn't been cleaned for two years, the carpets hadn’t been steam cleaned at all, the whole building had possum excretions all over it - the place stunk."
"I wouldn’t accept that I could work in that environment let alone the players being able to come in and have respect for the club when the place did not have any respect for itself."
Wallace pointed out he had written an article for Richmond's "Fighting Tiger" newsletter to club members back in December highlighting the same issue.
In fact the Tigers' coach helped clean the place up himself, along with the players and staff, prior to assuming control of the club back in October.
"We had no meeting room of any sorts and the place hadn't been cleaned for a long time, and how that could be turned into a situation where I am having a go at Danny Frawley, well, I don't know."
Frawley was asked about Wallace's comments on Tuesday, while attending the launch of the E J Whitten Legends match, and said he did not mind Wallace speaking his mind but would check with him to see what he meant by his comments.
But Wallace said he would explain to Frawley that in no way were his comments critical of him.
"Danny was not the janitor here and how those comments were taken that I was having a go at the ex coach is unbelievable," he said.
"It's so disappointing. I was involved in a coach v coach situation only a week and a half ago (with Fremantle's Chris Connolly over the use by players of caffeine tablets) and the last thing I would be doing is having is having a swipe at another coach."
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=204913
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I don't know, i reckon Wallace meant it for Spud ;)
I saw too, and i think (and anyone else who didn't have devious thoughts) would think he was talking about the orderliness of the place, but would be good to think he meant Spud lol
Maybe a Freudian slip :rollin
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Well if it wasn't Danny's responsibility whose was it?
Doesn't reflect too well on the board imho.
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Doesn't reflect too well on the board imho.
MJS, this has been a slackness throughout the club for a long time, not just this board.
Terry was talking about the cleanliness and the mess of the place - not having a go at Danny, although he had a go at the fitness level of the players.
I remember a few times going down and cleaning and painting the rooms because they were so run down. If they didn't have volunteers to do it it wouldn't get done. It is a disgrace and Terry is right to mention it. You can't have players coming into a mess like that and wondering, "gee, is this the AFL, the top echelon of footy" ::). We have to be more professional. You've seen the state of the social club rooms - they haven't been renovated (or cleaned i reckon) in years. Doors that have been hanging off their hinges for years will remain so for another 20 until they fix it or get some volunteer to do it.
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As you say MT, this has already been done before. So we’re going over it again because why?
Another backhander at Spud ;D although Wallace has said the exact same thing about the place being a mess before - ripping out the bar in players' dirty meeting room, quadrupling our skill sessions because our skill level was pathetic and commenting on our blokes having legs like tennis players or something similar - so hardly earth-shattering news. The media have just woken up that Terry wasn't kidding.
Here’s the link to the story from October 2004. Hardly new.
Clean-up begins at Wallace's Tigerland
Caroline Wilson
The Age
October 28, 2004
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=1004.0
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It's disgraceful that the Club room should have been allowed to get into this mess. Hardly an encouraging atmosphere - no wonder we stank! And to have to rely on volunteers to clean it up. I was told that there was an area near the pool that just remained dormant until TW came in and put weights there. I was also told TW himself had the can of paint and painted the rooms. Wonder what state the St. Kilda rooms are in?
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It's disgraceful that the Club room should have been allowed to get into this mess. Hardly an encouraging atmosphere - no wonder we stank! And to have to rely on volunteers to clean it up. I was told that there was an area near the pool that just remained dormant until TW came in and put weights there. I was also told TW himself had the can of paint and painted the rooms. Wonder what state the St. Kilda rooms are in?
Hey Jewlza,
Is that your Pussy draped in a Richmond scarf ???? :shh
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It's disgraceful that the Club room should have been allowed to get into this mess. Hardly an encouraging atmosphere - no wonder we stank!
If there was any story in the whole thing it was how the club had allowed things to get in such a state and how they’re different now. But no they have to try and create a hoohaa about nothing.
In the same interview, TW was also asked whether he thought he was a better coach because he had two years out of coaching. They could have made something about that, but I suppose that would be positive and we couldn’t have that. :banghead
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Well if it wasn't Danny's responsibility whose was it?
Doesn't reflect too well on the board imho.
MJS,
I don't quite understand how the state of the rooms reflects on the board. I don't think it is the boards job to head down to the rooms and tell the boys to clean up - we are not talking about 6 y.olds here and asking them to clean their rooms. Let's be honest if look back at 2004 I think the board had a few more pressing issues :help ;D
I would think it reflects on a wide variety of people-
All people should take responsibility here instead of pointing the finger.
I would also add that perhaps previously others simply may not have given a stuff - clearly Tezza does and he did something about it.
The most importnat thing is make sure it doesn't decay like that again and somehow I don't think it will :thumbsup
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Well it's pretty simple to me - the fish rots from the head down - and if the state of the facilities was as bad as being indicated (not just a clean up required) then those in charge have to accept responsibility.
It reflects a lack of self respect. Surely board members can observe it if the facilities are so bad, and make sure that it gets "sorted" ?
It's really surprising to me to hear about this - and disappointing. We are talking about a business that turns over $20m.
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There were rumours going around that if Friday night is sold out the match would be shown live. I can't see that happening now that Ch 9 will be paying an hour tribute to Graham Kennedy that night.
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I tend to agree with most of your comments MJS, but don’t think it’s really a great surprise. I get a bit tired that every new head kicker that comes into the place, regardless of who they are, says and promises this that and the other.
Every now and then you see certain things that you think could be done better and you just know there are other things, that you don’t get to see, that will be just as neglected. It’s always after the fact that the truth about things comes out.
It says a lot that people are prepared to accept and work in such conditions. Who knows how long they've been like that.
If people want to think that TW’s self-promoting, good on him I say. If nothing else, he might embarrass us into being a bit professional about things.
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It's really surprising to me to hear about this - and disappointing. We are talking about a business that turns over $20m.
Problem was that business thanks to wishful thinking overbudgeted on the footy department and lost $3m in 2 years :(. Before that we spent a decade scrimping on costs and never ever going anywhere. All just systematic of a rudderless Club that had been in the wilderness for 20 years. Problems weren't dealt with because no one could or wanted to identify them in the first place. Agree MJS that it reflects a lack of self-respect and pride in the Club.
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Well it's pretty simple to me - the fish rots from the head down - and if the state of the facilities was as bad as being indicated (not just a clean up required) then those in charge have to accept responsibility.
Exactly my point MJS - as I said a variety of people need to take repsponsibility but first and foremost it should footy dept staff, players, coaches, admin etc. The board should be at the bottom of the tree IMO on this one. Their job IMO was not what the state of the rooms were but fixing the financial mess we were in.
I don't think this issue should be about pointing fingers. The media has managed to get everyone fired up in their quest for something negative about the RFC when the problem has been addressed. We should be applauding Tezza rather than looking for someone to blame - it's done, it's seems to have been fixed - isn't that more important :-\ ;D
I agree it shows a lack of pride in the Club but the point should now be that someone has fixed it - rather than who's fault it was because it is something that has been going on for 20 years not the last 5
Just on the facilities - what Tezza was and has been talking about is predominantly about the cleanliness of the place. He's actually said a number of times that the state of the facilities (eg the new pool, equipment etc) was in alot better shape than we he was last at Punt Road as a player
Problem was that business thanks to wishful thinking overbudgeted on the footy department and lost $3m in 2 years :(. Before that we spent a decade scrimping on costs and never ever going anywhere. All just systematic of a rudderless Club that had been in the wilderness for 20 years. Problems weren't dealt with because no one could or wanted to identify them in the first place. Agree MJS that it reflects a lack of self-respect and pride in the Club.
Spot on MT :thumbsup
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Hey Jewlza,
Is that your Pussy draped in a Richmond scarf ???? :shh
My cat - yes. Name = Gizmo. Age: 12.5 years (equivalent to over 70 human years)
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Place was a mess - not a new story.
The state DF left the team in - not a new story.
RFC sells papers - not a new story.
HELLLLLOOOO PEOPLE - this thread aint worth the RSI its gonna cause.
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HELLLLLOOOO PEOPLE - this thread aint worth the RSI its gonna cause.
Exactly Cain.