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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on August 18, 2013, 08:54:18 AM
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So, back in the day, full of ourselves as per usual, went into the semi or pre lim, got smashed by the Cats I think, absolutely thumped...... Can feel it coming again. We just cant seem to lift...
DO WE WAN'T IT......???? :-\
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At the start of the year everybody would have been happy to finish 8th. People shouldnt forget where we are coming from. Also there is a chance that the players are currently in a higher training load phase before the finals before training tapers off and players are refreshed. The players look stuffed.
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So, back in the day, full of ourselves as per usual, went into the semi or pre lim, got smashed by the Cats I think, absolutely thumped...... Can feel it coming again. We just cant seem to lift...
DO WE WAN'T IT......???? :-\
Your probably right WAT.
They'll maybe win one and probably lose one. Many a Richmond supporter thinking this year was a maybe finals year but next year was a certainty.
So we get smashed in a final, well so be it. The facts are that we made it & we tasted finals and lets build on that. We can start a legacy.
But I will guarantee you that if it does happen & we get smashed like Geelong did to us in '95, I won't be as filthy as I am today.
I could hardly sleep last night. I woke up this morning and the first thing I remember is we got done by that dirty rotten cheating scum tanking club. Why? Because my phone buzzes me & vibrates to wake me up to another of the many foul arrogant stuff you messages by the behindholes that know me & support that scum.
Some of these people are acquaintances but most are from my family & close friends and its from them its where I get the greatest vitriol and abuse.
stuff you Richmond and your stuffing ten point loss!
Couldn't you have done that poo next week? It just not fair!!!
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Back in 1995 we lost to Brisbane in round 20 by a massive 77 pts
The Bears were 10th on the ladder at the time.
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feel a geelong coming on?
probably better than a fourex, i suppose.....
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Every premiership team since 2008 (haven't looked further) has lost at least one game in the final 4 rounds of the season. There is absolute no reason to worry about yesterday's game. The increased training load will pay off when we smash the bummers r23 and win r1 of the finals...
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feel a geelong coming on?
probably better than a fourex, i suppose.....
:lol
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Every premiership team since 2008 (haven't looked further) has lost at least one game in the final 4 rounds of the season. There is absolute no reason to worry about yesterday's game. The increased training load will pay off when we smash the bummers r23 and win r1 of the finals...
Sorry such positiveness doesn't sit well with our negative nellies
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Every premiership team since 2008 (haven't looked further) has lost at least one game in the final 4 rounds of the season. There is absolute no reason to worry about yesterday's game. The increased training load will pay off when we smash the bummers r23 and win r1 of the finals...
You obviously don't hate the cheating scum as much as I do. And you aren't receiving the texts I'm getting & you won't cop it at work all week as I will.
Any other game would've been ok but not that game. :banghead
Why? Why? Why?
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So, back in the day, full of ourselves as per usual, went into the semi or pre lim, got smashed by the Cats I think, absolutely thumped...... Can feel it coming again. We just cant seem to lift...
DO WE WAN'T IT......???? :-\
I'm almost certain the reason we lose games is simply because we don't want it enough. Great pick up Tom Hafey
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Every premiership team since 2008 (haven't looked further) has lost at least one game in the final 4 rounds of the season. There is absolute no reason to worry about yesterday's game. The increased training load will pay off when we smash the bummers r23 and win r1 of the finals...
You obviously don't hate the cheating scum as much as I do. And you aren't receiving the texts I'm getting & you won't cop it at work all week as I will.
Any other game would've been ok but not that game. :banghead
Why? Why? Why?
Just use the Carlton "we kicked badly" excuse. :clapping
Or text them a list of September holiday destinations. :whistle
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Every premiership team since 2008 (haven't looked further) has lost at least one game in the final 4 rounds of the season. There is absolute no reason to worry about yesterday's game. The increased training load will pay off when we smash the bummers r23 and win r1 of the finals...
Sorry such positiveness doesn't sit well with our negative nellies
Don't like the truth do you Chuck.....why have a forum if we can't discuss the issues?? Do you really think we can take that lack of intensity into the finals, wake up for a change.
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Every premiership team since 2008 (haven't looked further) has lost at least one game in the final 4 rounds of the season. There is absolute no reason to worry about yesterday's game. The increased training load will pay off when we smash the bummers r23 and win r1 of the finals...
Sorry such positiveness doesn't sit well with our negative nellies
Don't like the truth do you Chuck.....why have a forum if we can't discuss the issues?? Do you really think we can take that lack of intensity into the finals, wake up for a change.
Newy has said the boys went through a tough training session in the morning. Would explain a fair bit. First year we've been the team doing the heavy training loads and dropping a game we shouldn't because we have bigger fish to fry rather than games like in '08 vs the Hawks when the Hawks are too knackered to beat us.
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Moronic thread, how did we go against them in 1980 semi final ::)...ooh myyyy how's about 1967 GF :shh...teeth in brain in gear and reload
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I didnt reslise yesterday was a final? Wait Wot!! Did someone say the sky was falling :lol :rollin
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Every premiership team since 2008 (haven't looked further) has lost at least one game in the final 4 rounds of the season. There is absolute no reason to worry about yesterday's game. The increased training load will pay off when we smash the bummers r23 and win r1 of the finals...
Geelong lost to port ( at home) late in 2007.....we all know what happened in the GF
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It's only August!!!!!!
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Cats have had some shockers this year themselves losing to the Lions.
Pies against Gold Coast.
Every team puts a shocker in.
We are still 5th.
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A loss at Richmond is seen as a tragedy especially to Carlton.
Our season is derailed.
In fact don't worry about waiting for the AFL to annul Essendrugs points, by losing to Carlton we have simply wasted the year and its not even worth playing the last two home and away games either.
Who on here remembers the 1982 2nd Semi?
Who on here remembers the 1982 GF?
By no means the end of the world.
Chill pill lads. Ask Hirdy for one. :thumbsup
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:lol
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A Geelong coming on?
Hmmm
3 flags in 5 years.....
Yeah I hope there's a Geelong coming on :thumbsup
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hmm a geelong coming on. more like a nm in the 8 one yr out the next. :whistle
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Some can only hope
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Don't care about the past, just wanna beat the pussies at their own game and beat em hard.
So bring it on geepong!!!!!!!!
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A Geelong coming on?
Hmmm
3 flags in 5 years.....
Yeah I hope there's a Geelong coming on :thumbsup
Thats what I thought this thread was about at first...... :huh3
Then I scrolled down and saw the flashing red light, the panic button had been pressed....
The red cordial spilt on the middle of the floor and the limp and lifeless bodies of those that followed the leader....
Season over, we dont deserve it, sack dimma blah blah :lol
We were cocky, and reacted too late to malthouses tactics, better luck next time
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A Geelong coming on?
Hmmm
3 flags in 5 years.....
Yeah I hope there's a Geelong coming on :thumbsup
Thats what I thought this thread was about at first...... :huh3
Then I scrolled down and saw the flashing red light, the panic button had been pressed....
The red cordial spilt on the middle of the floor and the limp and lifeless bodies of those that followed the leader....
Season over, we dont deserve it, sack dimma blah blah :lol
We were cocky, and reacted too late to malthouses tactics, better luck next time
:clapping
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Don't care about the past, just wanna beat the pussies at their own game and beat em hard.
So bring it on geepong!!!!!!!!
Had curry tonight, gee I can feel pong coming on too!
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A Geelong coming on?
Hmmm
3 flags in 5 years.....
Yeah I hope there's a Geelong coming on :thumbsup
Thats what I thought this thread was about at first...... :huh3
Then I scrolled down and saw the flashing red light, the panic
So it isn't about that :o
I thought it was but will confess I didn't bother reading it ;D
Still like my answer though :rollin
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A Geelong coming on?
Hmmm
3 flags in 5 years.....
Yeah I hope there's a Geelong coming on :thumbsup
Thats what I thought this thread was about at first...... :huh3
Then I scrolled down and saw the flashing red light, the panic button had been pressed....
The red cordial spilt on the middle of the floor and the limp and lifeless bodies of those that followed the leader....
Season over, we dont deserve it, sack dimma blah blah :lol
We were cocky, and reacted too late to malthouses tactics, better luck next time
what a deluded post. some of us have always been critical win lose or draw. in fact id say those of us with this minset have been the realistic composed and level headed ones amongst us.
after all we have no expectations of grandeur for the simple reason we have maintained we are not good enough.
i will go so far as to say anyone who thinks we have built something sustainable are greatly deluded .
a middling team is about right. every yr middling teams make finals. thing is you remain a middling team if you sit back and think you have made it.
we have had 30 yrs of this just once lets do it right and continue to grow even if it means making some tough decisions on half the list over the next 2 or three yrs. we are nowhere near being a top side and if we sit on our hands we will be bottom 4 quicker than you can wink.
when i say we can turn over half the list i mean half the list.
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Some can only hope
indeed chuck :lol
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I have reread EEA's post several times and for the life of me cannot see where he's being deluded? :huh3
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I thought it was but will confess I didn't bother reading it ;D
BUT YOUR A MOD!
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i have $100.00 that says we dont mnake the 8 next season. im prepared to donate it to the jdf or ftf anyone else want to put up.
i will say again. while we have improved the lis, t we have not built anything that is sustainable. we are a long way of top 4 and are in a log jam to make finals with about 12 14 other teams.
there is plenty wrong with our list and if we fail to vigorously recruit and develop thinking the work has been done, we will fail abysmally.
we are in a national competition that has basically turned professional with just 18 teams all aiming for the same thing. i reckon most massively overlook the competition and what has to constantly happen just to improve.
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i have $100.00 that says we dont mnake the 8 next season. im prepared to donate it to the jdf or ftf anyone else want to put up.
i will say again. while we have improved the lis, t we have not built anything that is sustainable. we are a long way of top 4 and are in a log jam to make finals with about 12 14 other teams.
there is plenty wrong with our list and if we fail to vigorously recruit and develop thinking the work has been done, we will fail abysmally.
we are in a national competition that has basically turned professional with just 18 teams all aiming for the same thing. i reckon most massively overlook the competition and what has to constantly happen just to improve.
Deal, I'm in claw. I'll put up $100 against that.
I sometimes get puzzled at these types of posts. It's like it's a what if scenario, what if they don't keep improving the list? What if they dont delist list cloggers? What makes you think we will just stop what we've been doing for the past 3-4 years? The consistent msg I keep hearing both internally and externally is we must get better. This is not the bad old days where we will trade out of the draft to top up bc we're 'locked and loaded'. We are building and will continue to build and strive to become a legitimate top side. Yes, I agree if we stopped doing what we've done to get to here then yes, this would not be sustainable and we'd get passed by several clubs pretty quickly, but I see nothing to suggest we will just go off track and stagnate. We are a vastly different nd more resourced club these days and that is only going to continue to grow.
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I thought it was but will confess I didn't bother reading it ;D
BUT YOUR A MOD!
:fishing :fishing
;D
Read it after I posted it ;)
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i have $100.00 that says we dont mnake the 8 next season. im prepared to donate it to the jdf or ftf anyone else want to put up.
i will say again. while we have improved the lis, t we have not built anything that is sustainable. we are a long way of top 4 and are in a log jam to make finals with about 12 14 other teams.
there is plenty wrong with our list and if we fail to vigorously recruit and develop thinking the work has been done, we will fail abysmally.
we are in a national competition that has basically turned professional with just 18 teams all aiming for the same thing. i reckon most massively overlook the competition and what has to constantly happen just to improve.
Yep and I'm sure the-powers that be at the club know exactly where we sit.
Yes we have made the finals that I would say at least is a step in the right direction for a club that was as worse or worse than the Fitzroy in DHs first year.
I think you sometimes sell short the people running club especially people of the calibre of BG and etc.
They know there is still much too improve on, just like the other 12 to 14 teams that you proclaim sit in the same stage that we do.
I would hazard a guess some of those 12 to 14 teams that you lumped us in haven't come as far back as us in the last 4 years.
I'm enjoying the ride this year and I expect an even better one next year because for the first time the club has got their act together off field.
Like your posts Claw but sometimes you can be such a Debbie Downer mate.
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when i say we can turn over half the list i mean half the list.
Heres the squad. Now tell us which 23 you cut over the next 2 years and bare in mind your not miraculously going to delist Tom Derickx and Stephenson and pick up the next Dean Cox & Nic Nat combo in next years draft. If its to hard, what about the 11 you delist this year?
1. Chris Newman (veteran)
2. Dylan Grimes
3. Brett Deledio
4. Dustin Martin
5. Brandon Ellis
6. Shaun Grigg
7. Matt Dea
8. Jack Riewoldt
9. Trent Cotchin
10. Shane Edwards
11. Jake Batchelor
12. David Astbury
14. Bachar Houli
15. Chris Knights
16. Luke McGuane
18. Alex Rance
20. Ivan Maric
21. Shane Tuck
23. Daniel Jackson
24. Ben Griffiths
25. Troy Chaplin
26. Robin Nahas
27. Aaron Edwards
28. Jake King
29. Tyrone Vickery
30. Reece Conca
31. Nick Vlastuin
32. Brad Helbig
33. Kamdyn McIntosh
34. Liam McBean
35. Matthew White
36. Matthew McDonough
38. Steven Morris
39. Tom Derickx
41. Nathan Foley
43. Todd Elton
44. Matthew Arnot
45. Brett O'Hanlon
13. Ricky Petterd
22. Sam Lonergan
37. Orren Stephenson
40. Cadeyn Williams
48. Ben Darrou
49. Steven Verrier
50. Gideon Simon
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I thought it was but will confess I didn't bother reading it ;D
BUT YOUR A MOD!
:fishing :fishing
;D
Read it after I posted it ;)
;D. I actually got myself caught on a hook today picking up a rod :banghead
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;D. I actually got myself caught on a hook today picking up a rod :banghead
OUCH
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when i say we can turn over half the list i mean half the list.
Heres the squad. Now tell us which 23 you cut over the next 2 years and bare in mind your not miraculously going to delist Tom Derickx and Stephenson and pick up the next Dean Cox & Nic Nat combo in next years draft. If its to hard, what about the 11 you delist this year?
1. Chris Newman (veteran) RET
2. Dylan Grimes
3. Brett Deledio
4. Dustin Martin
5. Brandon Ellis
6. Shaun GrigG HAS LIMITATIONS.
7. Matt Dea I LIKE HIM BUT HAS TO BE IN THE GUN.
8. Jack Riewoldt
9. Trent Cotchin
10. Shane Edwards. WOULD NOT TAKE MUCH OF A DROP OFF TO HAVE HIM IN THE GUN
11. Jake Batchelor JUST NOT CLEAN SLOW AND HAS NO REAL POSITION.
12. David Astbury. AGAIN HAS STRUGGLED AND HAS TO BE IN THE GUN.
14. Bachar Houli IMO WE CAN DO BETTER
15. Chris Knights KEEPS ON GETTING INJURED QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ASKED ABOUT DURABILITY.
16. Luke McGuane DUD.
18. Alex Rance. WONT GO HERE IM SICK OF THE ARGUMENTS.
20. Ivan Maric IN TWO OR THREE YRS HES LIKELY TO BE GONE. WE MANAGE HIS GROIN AND LEGS NOW.
21. Shane Tuck. RET
23. Daniel Jackson HAVE TO CONCEDE HES IMPROVED THIS YR BUT HES AS DUMB AS THEY COME.
24. Ben Griffiths ???? THE GREAT WHITE HOPE IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE THE GREAT WHITE DOPE. :o
25. Troy Chaplin HAS LEG PROBS NOW IF HE GETS ANY SLOWER HE WILL BE STUFFED.
26. Robin Nahas DUD.
27. Aaron Edwards WAS ALWAYS A STOP GAP 2 OR 3 YRS WILL BE GONE FOR SURE.HES WHAT 30.
28. Jake King AH THE FAVORITE ORDINARY PLAYER AND 29 IF HES THERE IN 2 OR 3 YRS WE WILL BE MEDIOCRE STILL.
29. Tyrone Vickery ID TRADE HIM WHILE WE CAN.
30. Reece Conca
31. Nick Vlastuin
32. Brad Helbig. I LIKE HIM BUT HES GOING TO HAVE TO IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY AND QUICKLY WE CANT WAIT FOREVER.
33. Kamdyn McIntosh
34. Liam McBean
35. Matthew White HES A FREAKIN DDD AVERAGE HACK.
36. Matthew McDonough
38. Steven Morris
39. Tom Derickx GONE
41. Nathan Foley
43. Todd Elton
44. Matthew Arnot
45. Brett O'Hanlon PACE AND AGILITY STARTING TO ASK QUESTIONS.
13. Ricky Petterd FFS UNSKILLED HACK
22. Sam Lonergan CANT KICK CANT RUN CANT FIND THE BALL
37. Orren Stephenson LOL
40. Cadeyn Williams
48. Ben Darrou 2ND YR ROOKIE LIKELY GONE
49. Steven Verrier 2ND YR ROOKIE LIKELY GONE
50. Gideon Simon GIDEON WHO.
JUST MY THOUGHTS AND IVE LEFT A FEW OTHERS ALONE. SOME OF EM MAY MAKE IT SOME OF EM WONT. IVE LEFT A LOT OF THE UNPROVEN KIDS OUT OF IT. SEEMS TO ME THERES AN AWFUL LOT THAT NEEDS TO IMPROVE NO WONDERE WE HAVE NO DEPTH. I SURE HOPE OUR DEVELOPMENT RECORD CAN IMPROVE.
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:shh all great and ever knowing Craw
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when i say we can turn over half the list i mean half the list.
Heres the squad. Now tell us which 23 you cut over the next 2 years and bare in mind your not miraculously going to delist Tom Derickx and Stephenson and pick up the next Dean Cox & Nic Nat combo in next years draft. If its to hard, what about the 11 you delist this year?
1. Chris Newman (veteran)
2. Dylan Grimes
3. Brett Deledio
4. Dustin Martin
5. Brandon Ellis
6. Shaun Grigg
7. Matt Dea
8. Jack Riewoldt
9. Trent Cotchin
10. Shane Edwards
11. Jake Batchelor
12. David Astbury
14. Bachar Houli
15. Chris Knights
16. Luke McGuane
18. Alex Rance
20. Ivan Maric
21. Shane Tuck
23. Daniel Jackson
24. Ben Griffiths
25. Troy Chaplin
26. Robin Nahas
27. Aaron Edwards
28. Jake King
29. Tyrone Vickery
30. Reece Conca
31. Nick Vlastuin
32. Brad Helbig
33. Kamdyn McIntosh
34. Liam McBean
35. Matthew White
36. Matthew McDonough
38. Steven Morris
39. Tom Derickx
41. Nathan Foley
43. Todd Elton
44. Matthew Arnot
45. Brett O'Hanlon
13. Ricky Petterd
22. Sam Lonergan
37. Orren Stephenson
40. Cadeyn Williams
48. Ben Darrou
49. Steven Verrier
50. Gideon Simon
Id be more interested in knowing how we replace 22 players in two years with quality.
The talent pool for the next two drafts much run pretty deep!
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It was an insipid loss.
Insipid losses inevitably result in a WAT thread about the sky falling in or us being a non deserving weak club, or something like that.
I waited, and bingo, here it is.
Next week, we will beat GWS, who cares.
Week after we will beat Essendon, they are gone and it will prove nothing.
If we happen to win a final the week after potentially in a rematch against Essendon or Carlton, he will inevitably start some sort of positive "i told you all" thread regarding some player that performed well.
Or post 17 "i told you all" posts in already existing threads.
LOL, WAT
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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It was an insipid loss.
Insipid losses inevitably result in a WAT thread about the sky falling in or us being a non deserving weak club, or something like that.
I waited, and bingo, here it is.
Next week, we will beat GWS, who cares.
Week after we will beat Essendon, they are gone and it will prove nothing.
If we happen to win a final the week after potentially in a rematch against Essendon or Carlton, he will inevitably start some sort of positive "i told you all" thread regarding some player that performed well.
Or post 17 "i told you all" posts in already existing threads.
LOL, WAT
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Love the people that still accept mediocracy!!
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you cracy bro cracy
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:lol
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If Richmond would just hire Claw Al, it would happen :bow
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I feel a grog bog coming on. Benders are bad mm'kay and so is this thread
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i have $100.00 that says we dont mnake the 8 next season. im prepared to donate it to the jdf or ftf anyone else want to put up.
i will say again. while we have improved the lis, t we have not built anything that is sustainable. we are a long way of top 4 and are in a log jam to make finals with about 12 14 other teams.
there is plenty wrong with our list and if we fail to vigorously recruit and develop thinking the work has been done, we will fail abysmally.
we are in a national competition that has basically turned professional with just 18 teams all aiming for the same thing. i reckon most massively overlook the competition and what has to constantly happen just to improve.
Are you related to Robert Walls ? (apparently he is negative and lives in his own misery)
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Some can only hope
lol if i associated hope to richmond i would have cut both wrists yrs ago.i dont hope we fail im just realistic about where we sit in the scheme of things.
the REALITY is we are miles off being a top side and we are in a constant dog fight with plenty of other sides just to make finals.
it is not unrealistic to think we could miss finals next yr with the current list.
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the REALITY is we are miles off being a top side and we are in a constant dog fight with plenty of other sides just to make finals.
it is not unrealistic to think we could miss finals next yr with the current list.
Personally have certainly not considered us a 'top side" this year, think we are still a couple years off that.
Because IMHO you need to be playing finals consistently to judge because that's what the top sides (Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney, C'wood) do they play finals consistently. This season we have taken the first step by making finals and it is a bloody important step. Next step is to back it up in 2014 and that is a massive challenge
However, I'd rather be where we are right now compared to where we were 3 years ago. We are builiding towards being a good side. It is clear that the Club's planning has been maticulous in the building of the list. Not everyone (me inlcuded) agree with the decision, choices they've made but it cannot be ignored that those decision have resulted in us being in the position of playing finals for the first time in over a decade
Do we still have gaps in the list? Absolutely that isn't in dispute. And I've got no doubt those gaps will be addressed this FA period, trade period and draft.
But the gaps are not as glaring as they were 3 seasons ago or even 12 months ago and that I don't believe can be disputed
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the REALITY is we are miles off being a top side and we are in a constant dog fight with plenty of other sides just to make finals.
it is not unrealistic to think we could miss finals next yr with the current list.
Personally have certainly not considered us a 'top side" this year, think we are still a couple years off that.
Because IMHO you need to be playing finals consistently to judge because that's what the top sides (Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney, C'wood) do they play finals consistently. This season we have taken the first step by making finals and it is a bloody important step.
yet most ridicule me when i suggest over the next 2 or 3 drafts we will turn over half the list. i even go as far to name those most likely in the gun atm.
geelong hawthorn collingwood and sydney all regular finalists have done just that cut close to half their lists in the 2010 2011 2012 trade draft periods. and they are regular finals sides. they dont stand still and they dont rest on their laurels.
we have plenty who have had 3 4 and more yrs and we have to make a decision on them. some dont perform to a decent standard consistently not even at coburg. some dont have good skillsets and some dont even have the right physical attributes to play at the level. some have all 3 failings yet we hang on.
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......... some have all 3 failings yet we hang on.
Says you and you alone. Don't see the club doing that at all. See the club using all facets well. Recruited as many 18 year olds last year as any other club. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of entertaining us.
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It seems Claw thinks we are supposed to go from bottom 4 to genuine contenders with the best list in the history of the game without scraping into the finals at least once maybe even a few times. It's a long process and we are bound to fall into finals a couple of times and not make an impact.
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......... some have all 3 failings yet we hang on.
Says you and you alone. Don't see the club doing that at all. See the club using all facets well. Recruited as many 18 year olds last year as any other club. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of entertaining us.
what has that got to do with expecting the club to assess and cut players from the list.
i for one congratulated them on the way they went about recruiting last yr i just didnt agree on many of the players taken. ive argued pretty hard for a long time that recruiting is about keeping your early picks and targeting good mature players who meet good criteria with later picks . but hey lets paint old claw in a different light shall we.
id like nothing more than to see us use 5nd picks this yr and take another 3 or 4 f/a mature afl and state league types this coming draft/trade/rookie period. i wanted similar last yr
but of course to do that you have to cut players and we just cant have that now can we. after all we have a premiership list. ::)
jack hannath has done well in his first yr at afl. sam dwyer says high along with brent moloney aaron black and kyle martin. they are just some of the players i thought we should target last yr.
i believe i said while happy with vlastuin who i defended on this site as a bloody good player i thought brodie grundy a worthy pick 9 and a greater list need.
ah well it seems i know nothing.
i believe i supported us taking a edwards for no other reason than we only had ohanlon on the list who you could classify as a medium sized forward.
i have advocated we try hard for scott lycett or billy longer for obvious reasons. theres a few wafl players i think we should have a look at . imo it would not be hard to improve our list and fill holes but that means we turn over players.and we cant have that.
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got a challenge for you claude.
at this years draft, rather than rattle of a dozen or so names and then over time keep harping on about the few that look like they will urn out OK, give us ONE name for each selection, of players that are available at that pick, and then we see how you stack up.
you see thats what the recruiters have to do. they don't have the luxury of numerous options and whittling it down over time to the ones showing something.
One selection - One name
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got a challenge for you claude.
at this years draft, rather than rattle of a dozen or so names and then over time keep harping on about the few that look like they will urn out OK, give us ONE name for each selection, of players that are available at that pick, and then we see how you stack up.
you see thats what the recruiters have to do. they don't have the luxury of numerous options and whittling it down over time to the ones showing something.
One selection - One name
geez and here i was thinking i pretty much do that every yr.
an example being i wanted jake stringer and said if hes gone vlaustin. i also argued that if the talk was right and grundy was goint to slip we should take grundy over both as he met a more pressing list need.i didnt think for a minute he would slip.
i nominate mature players before their drafts and i nominate in order before the draft who i think we should take and its damn right insulting of you to imply otherwise.
some of us have the guts to put it out there only to opened up to ridicule from the likes of you.
for what its worth and i will only do the first rounders
2012 grundy but as stated i really liked vlaustin defended him on this site and was not upset we got him.
2011 kavanagh was hoping adams would get to our pick.
2010 heppell was ropeable we did not take this kid. i thought him a top 3 selection. i continue to argue the conca selection an over reach.just like i thought the batchelor selection an over reach.
2009 morabito it was a toss up between him and martin. there was 4 standouts and these two were two of em.i went morabito because i had seen more of him being a wa lad.again was pleased we got martin.
2008 ziebell wanted rich if he was there. but he went one pick before our pick so went ziebll.
2007 cotchin he and kruezer were standouts.
2006 was always a riewoldt fan, didnt think he would last and liked james sellar and jacks fellow tassie in mitch thorpe. lucky for me eh jack got to our pick.
2005 hurn i always considered him a top 5 pick. i was gobsmacked that miller trotted out jon on the rookie draft night and as such i caused a huge ruckus.
2004 deledio he and griffen were the standouts for me.
2003 we traded out of pick 6, beau waters was a favorite of mine despite his lack of kicking skills. i also liked ryley dunn. our first pick was at 19 and i fell over laughing when alex gilmores name was read out. i went for a lad called mathew moody from kelmscott.
every single one i nominated before the draft or immediately after the draft was done. theres 10 yrs worth there pick away.
first rounders are easy i can do the second rounders as well if you like.
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no you dont normally do that.you will list multiple choices and as time goes by you just dont mention the ones looking like flops.
Im asking for one name for each pick that we have draft night, no more.
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no you dont normally do that.you will list multiple choices and as time goes by you just dont mention the ones looking like flops.
Im asking for one name for each pick that we have draft night, no more.
what rubbish it has been as i explained. very small minded when you cant even acknowledge when a person gets things right.
as i said every player named was named just before the draft or immediately after it. ive always come on straight after the draft thast same day and usually complained by saying no we should have taken so and so at that pick. ie hurn heppell most drafts i havent even seen as im at work.
i will be making comment again this yr straight after the draft that day and tell you exactly who we should have taken and where imo of course.thats as much as i can guarantee .as theres no guarantee i will even see the draft.
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......... some have all 3 failings yet we hang on.
Says you and you alone. Don't see the club doing that at all. See the club using all facets well. Recruited as many 18 year olds last year as any other club. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of entertaining us.
what has that got to do with expecting the club to assess and cut players from the list.
i for one congratulated them on the way they went about recruiting last yr i just didnt agree on many of the players taken. ive argued pretty hard for a long time that recruiting is about keeping your early picks and targeting good mature players who meet good criteria with later picks . but hey lets paint old claw in a different light shall we.
id like nothing more than to see us use 5nd picks this yr and take another 3 or 4 f/a mature afl and state league types this coming draft/trade/rookie period. i wanted similar last yr
but of course to do that you have to cut players and we just cant have that now can we. after all we have a premiership list. ::)
jack hannath has done well in his first yr at afl. sam dwyer says high along with brent moloney aaron black and kyle martin. they are just some of the players i thought we should target last yr.
i believe i said while happy with vlastuin who i defended on this site as a bloody good player i thought brodie grundy a worthy pick 9 and a greater list need.
ah well it seems i know nothing.
i believe i supported us taking a edwards for no other reason than we only had ohanlon on the list who you could classify as a medium sized forward.
i have advocated we try hard for scott lycett or billy longer for obvious reasons. theres a few wafl players i think we should have a look at . imo it would not be hard to improve our list and fill holes but that means we turn over players.and we cant have that.
what garbage is that? who is talking about us having a premiership squad? Serious question, Are you a troll? nobody could possibly seriously sit there and say Richmond supporters or the club are talking premierships with the list we currently have? You are so black and white and deluded, footy clubs simply don't work the way you boast, actually only one does and that's Melbourne.
Its called a gradual list improvement we've turned over 35+ players in 4 years and yet you sit there spruiking we are resting on our laurels and going to wallow in mediocrity bc of it. Get a grip on reality mate and do something about those voices bc you are deadest making a mountain out of a molehill.
We all understand how far we yet have to go but we're enjoying a small reward along the way, don't need know it alls like yourself telling us how deluded and stupid we are. We know where we're at! FFS just give it a rest
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We could win the flag by 20 goals one day and some would be lamenting it could have been 25.
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......... some have all 3 failings yet we hang on.
Says you and you alone. Don't see the club doing that at all. See the club using all facets well. Recruited as many 18 year olds last year as any other club. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of entertaining us.
what has that got to do with expecting the club to assess and cut players from the list.
i for one congratulated them on the way they went about recruiting last yr i just didnt agree on many of the players taken. ive argued pretty hard for a long time that recruiting is about keeping your early picks and targeting good mature players who meet good criteria with later picks . but hey lets paint old claw in a different light shall we.
id like nothing more than to see us use 5nd picks this yr and take another 3 or 4 f/a mature afl and state league types this coming draft/trade/rookie period. i wanted similar last yr
but of course to do that you have to cut players and we just cant have that now can we. after all we have a premiership list. ::)
jack hannath has done well in his first yr at afl. sam dwyer says high along with brent moloney aaron black and kyle martin. they are just some of the players i thought we should target last yr.
i believe i said while happy with vlastuin who i defended on this site as a bloody good player i thought brodie grundy a worthy pick 9 and a greater list need.
ah well it seems i know nothing.
i believe i supported us taking a edwards for no other reason than we only had ohanlon on the list who you could classify as a medium sized forward.
i have advocated we try hard for scott lycett or billy longer for obvious reasons. theres a few wafl players i think we should have a look at . imo it would not be hard to improve our list and fill holes but that means we turn over players.and we cant have that.
what garbage is that? who is talking about us having a premiership squad? Serious question, Are you a troll? nobody could possibly seriously sit there and say Richmond supporters or the club are talking premierships with the list we currently have? You are so black and white and deluded, footy clubs simply don't work the way you boast, actually only one does and that's Melbourne.
Its called a gradual list improvement we've turned over 35+ players in 4 years and yet you sit there spruiking we are resting on our laurels and going to wallow in mediocrity bc of it. Get a grip on reality mate and do something about those voices bc you are deadest making a mountain out of a molehill.
We all understand how far we yet have to go but we're enjoying a small reward along the way, don't need know it alls like yourself telling us how deluded and stupid we are. We know where we're at! FFS just give it a rest
Good post and accurate summary of where the RFC is at
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Don't care about the past
Explain your username then ? ;D
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ah well it seems i know nothing.
It's taken over 2000 posts but you've finally said something I agree with
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Hot Dice
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Snake Eyes
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ah well it seems i know nothing.
It's taken over 2000 posts but you've finally said something I agree with
Don't care about the past
Explain your username then ? ;D
Double rubble :clapping
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Snake Eyes
Yessss :clapping
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......... some have all 3 failings yet we hang on.
Says you and you alone. Don't see the club doing that at all. See the club using all facets well. Recruited as many 18 year olds last year as any other club. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of entertaining us.
what has that got to do with expecting the club to assess and cut players from the list.
i for one congratulated them on the way they went about recruiting last yr i just didnt agree on many of the players taken. ive argued pretty hard for a long time that recruiting is about keeping your early picks and targeting good mature players who meet good criteria with later picks . but hey lets paint old claw in a different light shall we.
id like nothing more than to see us use 5nd picks this yr and take another 3 or 4 f/a mature afl and state league types this coming draft/trade/rookie period. i wanted similar last yr
but of course to do that you have to cut players and we just cant have that now can we. after all we have a premiership list. ::)
jack hannath has done well in his first yr at afl. sam dwyer says high along with brent moloney aaron black and kyle martin. they are just some of the players i thought we should target last yr.
i believe i said while happy with vlastuin who i defended on this site as a bloody good player i thought brodie grundy a worthy pick 9 and a greater list need.
ah well it seems i know nothing.
i believe i supported us taking a edwards for no other reason than we only had ohanlon on the list who you could classify as a medium sized forward.
i have advocated we try hard for scott lycett or billy longer for obvious reasons. theres a few wafl players i think we should have a look at . imo it would not be hard to improve our list and fill holes but that means we turn over players.and we cant have that.
what garbage is that? who is talking about us having a premiership squad? Serious question, Are you a troll? nobody could possibly seriously sit there and say Richmond supporters or the club are talking premierships with the list we currently have? You are so black and white and deluded, footy clubs simply don't work the way you boast, actually only one does and that's Melbourne.
it was a piece of sarcasm aimed at one poster and it was warranted.
seems to me theres a few who disagree we could and probablky should turn over 20 23 players over the next 3 yrs.
all i see is people sooking at any suggestion that some of our players are no good havent made it or are struggling. none offer up an opinion on who we nshould cut they just whine like girls at anyone who does.
we sure as hell dont have a premiership list but you dont see many actually say it.and even fewer are prepared to state who should go.
the list is ordinary we re among a lot of other teams in a similar boat and if we fail to manage the list properly we will do a nm and not make the 8 next yr.
it is no0nly stating the obvious and i will continue to say it until we actually build something thats worth getting excited about.
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We probably could cut 20 players over the next 3 years but you never know, they might all get better :shh
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So, back in the day, full of ourselves as per usual, went into the semi or pre lim, got smashed by the Cats I think, absolutely thumped...... Can feel it coming again. We just cant seem to lift...
DO WE WAN'T IT......???? :-\
This year has been totally different to '95 and 2001. By the midseason break in '95 we had no Richo, our captain Freezer and Whitey who killed Carey in that Monday night flogging of North had done his ankle. We lost our best forward, best defender that year and midfield leader in the space of a month. We won only 4 games in the second half of that season and crawled into the finals more on fight than class. In 2001, we got flogged by everyone of the top 4 sides. Compare this to this year where we've beaten Hawthorn and Freo late in the season. So we can beat some of the top sides. I don't believe we'll win the flag but we have a top side in the making. It's more what we do in October and November that will determine whether we take the next step into the top 4 in 2014. The problem in '95 and 2001 is we kidded ourselves that we were already a top side, signed up our big names to $$$ contracts at the expense of list management and expected it would all just happen. Compare that to now where we know we are not yet there and the club (Hardwick) has admitted that and that the hard work has only just begun.
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WAT doesn't care for reason, his an emotional guy
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WAT doesn't care for reason, his an emotional guy
Gee glad you know me so well.. :whistle ::)
You have a dear with no eyes..
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So, back in the day, full of ourselves as per usual, went into the semi or pre lim, got smashed by the Cats I think, absolutely thumped...... Can feel it coming again. We just cant seem to lift...
DO WE WAN'T IT......???? :-\
This year has been totally different to '95 and 2001. By the midseason break in '95 we had no Richo, our captain Freezer and Whitey who killed Carey in that Monday night flogging of North had done his ankle. We lost our best forward, best defender that year and midfield leader in the space of a month. We won only 4 games in the second half of that season and crawled into the finals more on fight than class. In 2001, we got flogged by everyone of the top 4 sides. Compare this to this year where we've beaten Hawthorn and Freo late in the season. So we can beat some of the top sides. I don't believe we'll win the flag but we have a top side in the making. It's more what we do in October and November that will determine whether we take the next step into the top 4 in 2014. The problem in '95 and 2001 is we kidded ourselves that we were already a top side, signed up our big names to $$$ contracts at the expense of list management and expected it would all just happen. Compare that to now where we know we are not yet there and the club (Hardwick) has admitted that and that the hard work has only just begun.
Out of the three teams '95, 01 & '13, which team would win if they played each other?
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'13 because all the other blokes would be well and truly past it by now.
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'13 because all the other blokes would be well and truly past it by now.
:lol
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'13 because all the other blokes would be well and truly past it by now.
C'mon. You know what I mean.