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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on June 12, 2005, 02:27:08 PM
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15 mins in
North 3.1.19
Tiges 0.0.3
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Pettifer goals :thumbsup
Richo way off target with another point
But seem to be getting back into the game at least. Sounds like Tivvas hit a target for once lol
On the radio they say Raines is on Archer - :help
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What r u guys doing at home ? :o
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Still got the flu, Ox
Worst long weekend of my life - haven't left the house :'(
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We were asleep again in the first 15 minutes ::).
Bloody set-shot goalkicking or should I say pointkicking :banghead - Richo x2, Johnson and Tivs not making the distance twice when he's a long kick.
We're too one-dimensional (Richo conscioius) going forward and getting killed on the rebound. Every goal they've got has come out our forward line without a Tiger touching the ball.
Geez how many decision making mistakes can we make :help.
Hooraaaaaaaaaaay we actually put the footy between the TWO BIG STICKS ::).
QTR time
Rich 2.6-18
Roos 4.1-25
Goals: Pettifer, Krakouer
8 scoring shots to 5 and 15-10 inside 50s and we're behind :scream.
ps. away game Ox
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ps. away game Ox
Aren't memberships got 18 entry games?
Get Raines off Archer please :banghead
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Nathan Thomson charity day. He also plays well against us :help
Goal to Tivs, point to Pettifer.
3.7 to 6.1
ps. I only have 11-game home membership Moi.
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Well done Chrissy Newman
Richo finally got hs first.
Scores level
5.8 - 6.2
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Must be the worse game our defence has played this year in terms of skills. Fumble, fumble, fumble!
Gift to the Roos from the kick in :banghead
5.8 - 7.3
LOL @ pathetic umpiring - for both sides. They say things come in 3's ::).
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Meyer goal
Scores level in 3rd 46 pts each
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Krak another goal for his 2nd
He's having a good game
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Ironically Krakouer and Pettifer look far more like kicking goals while our talls don't.
Another dumb bloody turnover that gifts the Roos a goal :banghead. We're playing all over them yet we've keeping them in the game :banghead.
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Poor Tivvas - might be the last straw this week
Another stuff up
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We're getting creamed :banghead
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creamed
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We had all the momentum with the Roos not looking like kicking a goal. So what do we do we turn it over twice through dumb decision making and gift them goals and now our heads have dropped and the Roos are running all over us.
DUMB STUPID TURNOVERS kill us; not the opposition :banghead :banghead :banghead.
Wallace must be pulling his hair out that experienced players short pass and handball short to contests :banghead.
7.11 - 13.6
It's over Rex. 31 points. We are the dumbest team in the league. Most of our guys have no footy smarts whatsoever.
Another turnover via a handball then another. This is a joke!
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Richo goal :thumbsup
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Wallace must be pulling his hair out that experienced players short pass and handball short to contests :banghead.
7.11 - 13.6
It's over Rex. 31 points. We are the dumbest team in the league. Most of our guys have no footy smarts whatsoever.
Another turnover via a handball then another. This is a joke!
Where did they learn to play like this ? :banghead
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Spud is partly to blame but they've had Wallace now for 9 months and you've got to be responsible for your own performance. Many of our guys Ox are thick as when it comes to understanding how footy is played or just don't have the skills.
Knobel and Tivs have cost us 4 goals alone in the last 30 minutes :banghead
Terry is blasting the @#$% out of each player individually at 3/4 time asking "What is your job?".
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Kangas must think we're the softest of all and just relish the thought of playing us.
And who could argue :banghead
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Wallace interviewed on 3aw:
We went back to very very old habits.
Inside 50 62 times (most ever this year), 30 scoring shots. Forwards unable to get the job done. Complete disappointment as despite diabolical 30 scoring shots normally wins you games.
Turnovers destroy confidence and build up the opposition's confidence as it gives away shot goals when you have all the momentum.
Undisciplined. Guys doing their own thing and we lost our match-ups in the 3rd quarter. Boys on the ground not doing the job they were told to do.
Asked about Tivs. Wallace said senior guys either learn to get better or make way. That's the reality. Said Tivs did ok on Wells but mistakes arode confidence of the rest of the side. Not the only there he haded.
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3aw rankings:
Gas - Hudghton of the Saints has taken over as AA. (not sure how they claim that after one poor game ::) )
Deledio 4
Raines 5
Simmonds 4
Chaffey 5
Cambo 5
Stafford 2
Bowden 4
Richo 6
Knobel 5
Pettifer 4
Johnson 8
Hall 4
Tuck 7
Meyer 3
Jackson 3
Cogs 6
Krakouer 6
Tivs 5
Graham - stop gap. Last year.
Newman 4
Kellaway 4
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We are the worst skilled team in the competition. Easily!
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Errors cost Tigers in defeat
4:42:51 PM Sun 12 June, 2005
Paul Gough
Exclusive to afl.com.au
Richmond is in danger of blowing yet another promising start to a season after the Kangaroos maintained their dominance over the Tigers at Telstra Dome on Sunday.
The Roos, themselves under pressure to stay in the eight following five losses in their past six matches, downed the Tigers for the 21st time in 27 meetings going back to 1990 and for the fourth successive season at Telstra Dome.
Trailing by seven points early in the third term, the Roos were magnificent from that point on going to win 17.7 (109) to 10.20 (80) with Nathan Thompson starring with five goals.
The win lifts the Roos equal with the Tigers on seven wins but it is Richmond that is now struggling to keep its place in the eight particularly with last year's grand finalists Port Adelaide and Brisbane now breathing down their back just outside the top eight.
The Tigers have now lost their past three matches since round nine, echoing their previous fade-outs - which all began one round earlier - in the past three seasons particularly 2003 when they won six of their first eight games only to lose 13 of the last 14.
And on this form the Tigers will struggle to stay in the top eight for much longer.
While there is no doubt the season-ending leg injury suffered by Nathan Brown in round ten has halted the momentum built up under new coach Terry Wallace - when they won seven of the first nine games - it was not the absence of their star goalkicker that cost the Tigers on Sunday.
Rather it was their skill level and poor decision making as they had more than enough chances to take control of the game in the first two-and-a-half quarters against a Kangaroos side that was also lacking confidence.
The Tigers had 18 entries inside their forward 50 to just nine by the Kangaroos in the first term, yet trailed by seven points after kicking a wasteful 2.6 with spearhead Matthew Richardson missing two gettable set shots on the way to 2.5 for the day.
Yet at the ten-minute mark of the third term the Tigers were seven points in front and had the momentum when they self-destructed.
First ruckman Trent Knobel fired off a dreadful handball into open space resulting in a turnover and a goal to Leigh Brown and then Greg Tivendale caused another turnover with an errant handball leading to a goal to Thompson and suddenly the Roos were back in front, a lead they would not surrender again.
Tivendale, a long-time target for Richmond fans because of his poor decision-making, had a disappointing match.
And his effort to play on when lining up for goal from 60 metres only to run straight into three Kangaroos defenders in the second quarter must stand out as one of the most comical moments of the season.
Once the Roos were handed back the momentum through Richmond's errors in the third term they made the Tigers pay dearly as they slammed on six more goals to go into the last change with a five-goal lead.
While the Tigers constantly failed to hit targets when they went forward, the Roos used the ball superbly inside their attacking 50 with Thompson right back to his best while star goalsneak Daniel Motlop will also be better for the run in his first game back following a shoulder re-construction.
Key playmaker Brent Harvey also returned to form with 30 possessions while Glenn Archer and Leigh Colbert were inspirational in defence.
The Tigers' midfielders, led by Kane Johnson and Mark Coughlan, tried hard while Joel was effective in defence but the Tigers made just far too many mistakes and capped off a disappointing day with some dreadful kicking for goal, including 2.8 in the final term.
KANGAROOS: 4.1, 7.7, 14.6, 17.7 (109)
RICHMOND: 2.6, 5.10, 8.11, 10.20 (80)
GOALS – Kangaroos: Thompson 5, Harding 3, Harris 2, Grant 2, Wells, Archer, Brown, Jones, LeCras Richmond: Richardson 2, Krakouer 2, Newman 2, Pettifer, Tivendale, Tuck, Meyer
BEST – Kangaroos: Harvey, Harris, Grant, Brown, Archer, Harding, Colbert, Thompson Richmond: Johnson, Coughlan, Tuck, Bowden, Chaffey, Deledio
INJURIES – Kangaroos: Richmond:
CHANGES – Richmond: Hilton replaced in the selected side by Meyer
REPORTS - Nil
UMPIRES - Grun, Nicholls, Goldspink
CROWD - 40,444 at Telstra Dome
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=208903
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We wasted our time picking up Knobel, his skills other than his hitouts are terrible.
The turnovers that he made today were a joke.
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Knobel has never been a star lol. You get what you pay for in this world...thats about it really! We went to the PSD with peanuts instead of paying money and getting a star...it was a wasted opportunity!
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I couldnt beleive how bad Knobel was.
Saints were happy to see him leave.
Now I know why.
He can leave us as well.
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Terry is blasting the @#$% out of each player individually at 3/4 time asking "What is your job?".
Just listened to Terry's after-match interview on the RFC site.
Apparently 6 of our blokes when asked at 3/4 time who they were meant to be on weren't where and on who they were suppose to be. Wallace mentioned specificially we had 2 guys who were meant to be in the midfield ended up in a back pocket and 2 guys who were meant to be in defence ended up in the centre square ???. 6 guys not following basic instructions to do a job. That's 1/3 of the side! :help.
Wallace also said the turnovers turned the game but the poor simple set-shot goalkicking was the game.
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Wallace laments skill errors
7:25:09 PM Sun 12 June, 2005
Paul Gough
Exclusive to richmondfc.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace blamed skill errors for the Tigers' disappointing loss to the Kangaroos on Sunday saying they 'eroded the confidence of the group'.
The Tigers, coming off two losses in a row, looked in control of the game in the third quarter when they booted the first two goals of the second half to lead by seven points at the ten-minute mark.
But two crucial handball turnovers - one from ruckman Trent Knobel and one from Greg Tivendale - resulted in goals to the Kangaroos and once they regained the lead they never looked back in winning 17.7 (109) to 10.20 (80).
The Tigers actually ended the game with 31 more disposals than the Roos as well as six more scoring shots yet were beaten despite getting the ball inside its forward 50 on 62 occasions.
But Wallace said it was their inability to use the ball properly which decided the outcome.
"First-up our skill errors eroded the confidence of our group and that just kills you in games of footy," Wallace said.
"You have the momentum and you are working the ball your way and then you turn it over and instead of scoring, you have (opposition) blokes out (on their own) in the other direction and they score instead."
Wallace also admitted a few of his players got lost during the latter half of the third term when the Roos slammed on seven goals in a 14-minute period to take control of the game.
"I was disappointed in a few of our match-ups because blokes were set specific tasks and they stepped away from them.
"They knew they were meant to be on certain blokes but (in the third term) they weren't on those blokes."
Tivendale in particular endured a dirty day and at one stage chose to play on after marking within kicking distance of goal, only to run straight into three Kangaroos defenders.
Wallace admitted he spoke to Tivendale about his decision-making after the game and said it had to improve but would not respond to questions about whether it was time for the 137-game veteran to be dropped.
The Tigers have now lost their past three games and are battling to retain their place in the top eight in what is already starting to look a similar fade-out to each of the past three seasons when they have won a total of just four out of 42 matches after round eight.
However Wallace says he does not believe the Tigers will again suffer the same fate in 2005.
"I don't believe in history, I have no interest in history at all," Wallace said.
"We still had the ball inside our forward 50 on 62 occasions and had 30 scoring shots and that is enough to win most games of footy and if we got that many scoring shots and inside 50's for the rest of our games this year I would be happy."
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=208934
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Wallace slams Tigers' lack of discipline
13 June 2005
Herald Sun
Michael Horan
COACH Terry Wallace says a lack of discipline and accountability turned a hard-earned Richmond lead into a heavy defeat in the space of 10 minutes.
The Tigers' fall from grace continued with a third straight loss yesterday – by 29 points to the Kangaroos at Telstra Dome – leaving Richmond facing the fact it hasn't beaten a side in the top eight this season.
The Tigers saw an early third-term surge, when they kicked three goals to go seven points clear, evaporate in the heat of a Roos onslaught that produce six unanswered goals to all but put the game beyond reach.
"It fell apart for a few reasons. We'd set blokes up with certain tasks and they just stepped away from the responsibilities we'd set them," Wallace said. "I just asked them the question, who they were meant to be on. They know and understood who they were meant to be on, but they weren't on those blokes."
From the sidelines it appeared the Tiger coach had unleashed a tirade on his men at the three-quarter time huddle, but Wallace said he had simply sought answers.
"I just asked the question. I just said, `OK, who are you meant to be on and who did you finish on? Who are you meant to be on, who did you finish on?'.
"I just went through that fact and said, `You wonder why they kick six goals in 10 minutes when we've got six blokes who put their hand up and said they were meant to be on a certain opponent and they ended up on another opponent'.
"We ended up with two of our backmen in the centre square, two of our midfielders in the back pocket. When you get that sort of disruption, the flow of the game is lost because of the turnovers.
"The disruption was there because blokes just purely and simply didn't follow instructions. We won games early in the year because we were very, very disciplined in our instruction and in our roles and I thought part of the reason why this game was lost because we weren't as disciplined in following our instructions."
Dreadful kicking and a rash of turnovers proved fatal to Richmond, which has slumped to a 7-5 win-loss record and is again a target for teams just outside the eight.
Whether the Tigers have gone forward considerably since last year or will melt back into another year of disappointment – they haven't won a game in the month of June since 2001 – remains to be seen.
"We'll find that out, I suppose," Wallace said.
"We never made any bold or rash comments about where we are as a footy club.
"We knew one of the dangers coming into this game was the Kangaroos had virtually a complete squad to pick from. When you have a look at ours, we have four or five guys out of our line-up at the moment.
"That cuts you a little bit deeper and we knew this was always going to be a pretty dangerous game.
"But we still had the ball inside 50m 62 times and still had 30 scoring shots.
"Within all our own parameters that we work for, 30 scoring shots is enough to win most games of footy.
"We had easy set-shots, 35-40m out, that we kept turning into points. Skill errors killed us."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15592866%255E19771,00.html
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Wallace laments costly mistakes
13 June 2005
Herald Sun
Bruce Matthews
MOMENTUM is everything in football, and it was as if a horror wind shift hit Richmond at Telstra Dome yesterday.
No one saw it coming after two goals early in the third quarter shot the Tigers to the lead for the first time.
What followed was 12 minutes of mayhem from the Kangaroos, six unanswered goals in an extraordinary turnaround that burst open the tight contest.
The start of the scoring spree was unusual in itself, the first goal of the season by stuff Leigh Brown after a mark inside the forward 50.
Hey, wasn't Brown supposed to be stopping Matthew Richardson kicking goals rather than slotting them himself?
And by the time third-gamer Brent LeCras's long shot on the run cleared a flurry of arms and bounced over the goal line, the revived Roos had transposed a seven point deficit into a match-clinching 31-point lead.
To attribute the comeback to the Roos simply seizing midfield control would be a half-truth. What won't go unnoticed on Richmond's match review tape were a couple of critical skill errors by willing ruck worker Trent Knobel and rebounding defender Greg Tivendale.
Knobel's sideways handpass flew over a teammate's head and Roo Shannon Grant pounced to chip a pass to Brown, who had left Richardson behind as he drifted downfield.
And the Tigers were still clinging to a slender lead three minutes later when Tivendale sprinted clear through the centresquare and inexplicably handballed to the stationary Knobel. Again the reprieved Roos made them pay for the crucial turnover as Daniel Wells found key forward Nathan Thompson with a perfectly weighted kick for the fourth of the spearhead's five goals. As Richmond coach Terry Wallace later said: "Skill errors eroded the confidence of the group."
Basic stats tell a tale of an absolute mismatch from 11 minutes after halftime until deep in time-on of that third term. The Roos had 23 kicks, 11 marks and six goals compared to the Tigers' paltry six kicks, six marks and just one inside-50.
The importance of that six-goal salvo in the third quarter was underlined by what generally was an even contest, in which Richmond eventually had 31 more possessions and six more scoring shots.
But, as Wallace lamented, his Tigers went back to a few old habits, too often straying from the discipline that had delivered seven wins. They simply left too much to too few with tireless skipper Kane Johnson finding only Mark Coughlan and Shane Tuck prepared to fall in behind his lead.
Fittingly, Johnson was laying a tackle to carry Roo counterpart Simpson over the boundary line on the final siren.
The Tiger leader dropped hands on knees in utter exasperation, a stark symbol of the team's lost opportunity.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15593120%255E19771,00.html
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weve been a dumb side for a long time. anyway the pretenders are now being found out and for once theyve been found out at the start of a new coaches contract. a contract that runs for 5 years. Wallace can swing the axe, no one can touch him and he will do it.
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The Tigers, coming off two losses in a row, looked in control of the game in the third quarter when they booted the first two goals of the second half to lead by seven points at the ten-minute mark.
Maybe it was just me, but I never ever felt we were in control at any stage. Apart from a handful of players, I just don’t think we came to play yesterday.
It’s hard to work out how the efforts can be so good one week and so ordinary the next.
Games like yesterday really sort out the good players from the not so good. And, going on past performance, it always seems to be the same players who make the same poor decisions and drag the rest of the team with them. Other players should be better than that, and while some are, in a team that mostly lacks players who are totally confident in their ability, it’s just a recipe for disaster.
The thing is, right now, TW’s between a rock and a hard place. He’ll have to do the best he can with what’s available and sort them out, as much as possible, at the end of the season.
Apart from two or three really bad games though, most weeks have been either as expected or exceeded expectations. From that point of view we couldn’t be too critical really.
The most disappointing thing to come out of yesterday’s game was the lack of spark and run from players, which makes me think this was just a bad day at the office. Because most other weeks, regardless of whether we’ve won or lost, there has been a disciplined and committed team effort, but not yesterday. It was so unlike just about every other game so far this season. Some games we have been outclassed, fair and square, but yesterday was a real winnable game and we threw away a huge opportunity. Maybe it’s as TW thought during the week that some players were getting ahead of themselves, after a ‘good’ effort against WC. Who knows.
For now, I’m prepared to put yesterday’s game down to an ‘off’ day, otherwise we’ll have to concede we’re a one man team. I don’t think we’re world beaters, but we’re better than yesterday’s effort. Maybe the mid season ‘bye’ was two weeks too late for some. Even so, nothing can excuse some of the decision making that went on. Against any level of opposition, that will hurt any team.
Look at it this way; we’re only playing Adelaide this week. The same team that used us as witches hats last year. If they treat us with the contempt they have in the past, and play like we’re not even on the ground, I may have to change my mind about this week being an aberration. :help
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As Max Merritt sang in the 70's....
"And it's breaking me in two,
Watching you
Slipping away"
That's how I feel about our season after watching what was without doubt our worse effort of the season.
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Talk about dumb footy............ :banghead :banghead
COACH Terry Wallace says a lack of discipline and accountability turned a hard-earned Richmond lead into a heavy defeat in the space of 10 minutes.
Gotta say Tezza you're being generous - it started in the first quarter and went on all day :banghead
I made a point last week about the often spoken difference between footballers and athletes. Yesterday again highlighted to me at least that with some of our blokes you put them on a good footballer and they really really struggle, put them on an athlete they are a lot better. A perfect example of this was Jones in the third for the Roos against Hall on the 50 metre arc. Jones is a footballer and his deft touch to push the ball back towards the Roos goal was a brilliant bit of play that resulted in a goal. Jones was quick, agile and smart enough to be able to quickly turn recover the ball and score while Hall was still turning.
There were a couple of other instances that cost us dearly. :banghead
In the second when we had momentum Coughlan had a shot on the run from about 45 metres out again because he didn't kick through the ball it didn't make the distance and was touched on the line. This isn't the first time it's happened go back to the Port game and you'll see exactly the same thing - costly and dumb.
Wayne Campbell has the ball outside 50 in the second and he waits and waits. Richo leads not once, not twice but three times and is ignored on each occassion depsite having a 5 metre start on his opponent. Campbell then decides to play on, baulks and kicks it on his left foot no less to no one- costly and dumb.
Greg Tivendale is running through the centre Richo leads and is ignored again (I'm sure at this point Patrick Smith is dancing around saying I told ya I told ya"). Tivendale then handballs to a bloke standing still in Knobel. Even Gary Lyon says Tivendale should hang his head in shame - costly and dumb.
Then there's the turnovers especially the handballing straight the opposition - pick a player, Newman, Gaspar, Knobel - costly and dumb
Kane Johnson has the ball in the first quarter about 20 metres out from goal with a North player 7 metres in front of him - he trys to kick a flat punt kick through for a certain goal instead he kicks it low enough for the Kanga bloke to touch it - costly and dumb
Then to rub absolute salt into the my weeping wounds :banghead
The ball gets kicked long into the forward 50 in the third Stafford has 2 agaisnt him all he does is punches it to the ground and Meyer swoopps and scores a goal - smart footy
Jackson runs the wing and kicks the ball 45+ metres to Richo who is one on one with Brown - in the end it was a no contest because one on one Richo had Brown's measure everytime. Goal - smart footy.
But the smart stuff was few and far between yesterday the dumb stuff was there for everyone to see and it was bad >:( :banghead
I've tried all year to stay positive when we've lost because of our losses have been against better teams. But when you lose rather than get beaten because of terrible skill errors and dumb footy the pill is bloody hard to swallow
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There's always next week I suppose ;)
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Knobel has never been a star lol. You get what you pay for in this world...thats about it really! We went to the PSD with peanuts instead of paying money and getting a star...it was a wasted opportunity!
All we had was peanuts.
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Wallace laments costly mistakes
13 June 2005
Herald Sun
Bruce Matthews
MOMENTUM is everything in football, and it was as if a horror wind shift hit Richmond at Telstra Dome yesterday.
No one saw it coming after two goals early in the third quarter shot the Tigers to the lead for the first time.
What followed was 12 minutes of mayhem from the Kangaroos, six unanswered goals in an extraordinary turnaround that burst open the tight contest.
Tuck was off the ground and we lost the midfield advantage :banghead
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Started this post four times now, just dont know what to say( Half a bottle of muscat will do that to ya!)
Can the media now get off our backs and stop building us up beyond normal expectations and just let us rebuild and go about our business.
Last year we were a bottom team, THE bottom team, this year we were happy to see an improvement. Leap frogging to the toppish of the ladder has a lot of us thinking we are better than we are. We had a five year plan remember, we still have a lot of weeding and pruning and replanting to do before we are a top team...........can you tell I'm talking to myself???lol
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Tuck was off the ground and we lost the midfield advantage :banghead
Aint that the truth Mopsy. :banghead
The other thing is when we move him forward he gives us a viable option up there as well.
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"MOMENTUM is everything in football.."
I'm not convinced of that. We had the momentum near the end last week and the Eagles took it away. We had the momentum yesterday when we led by seven points and it was taken away again in an instant.
So...... momentum schmentum .
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Tigers seek answers
14 June 2005
Herald Sun
Bruce Matthews
A stuff meeting of Richmond players and coaching staff yesterday morning dissected reasons for Sunday's loss to the Kangaroos.
"It's important the players understand why we didn't win the game and certainly from a coaching staff, we'll tell them. But we want input from them on the reasons why," assistant coach Brian Royal said.
"Once they see the review of the game in video format, it's pretty obvious as to why we lost the game. And they totally understood that."
Coach Terry Wallace and assistants Royal, David Wheadon and David King arrived shortly after dawn.
The club's video expert had already assembled the relevant highlights and lowlights to be screened to the players.
The coaching staff wanted to know why the team could manage only 10 goals from 62 forays inside the forward 50.
And while Royal admitted the negatives outweighed the positives on the highlights reel against the Roos, he said the Tigers were now ready to move on to plan for their game against Adelaide at Telstra Dome on Saturday night.
"We've had a meeting with our guys this morning and we've explained to them that you can't give the ball back like we did at the weekend, and then our conversion rate being the way it was, and expect to win a game," Royal said.
"It's something we've put a lot of work in over thepre-season months and, yeah, there's no excuses. There were certain passages throughout the course of the game where our guys neglected to pick up their opponents and it really hurt us.
"And when we turned the football over the way we did, it certainly allows the opposition to get off the hook as well.
Royal said it was important that Richmond rebounded this week.
"Again, if we can get our structure right and continue to get the footy inside 50, we've just got to convert and finish off. We've now finished the review process and we'll get on to previewing Adelaide now and work out how we're going to win that game.
"We're still not in a bad position. Certainly we've got to be more competitive against the top-eight sides and if we want to make the finals this year, we've got to do that. We've got to come up with reasons how we can do that.
"We felt yesterday that obviously the Kangaroos played pretty hard football against us, but we certainly lost the game," Royal said.
"We can't expect to take the ball inside 50 62 times and not convert and win games.
"It's pretty simple from our point of view. If we convert the opportunities we had, we win the game."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15604799%255E19742,00.html
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All indications are that a lot of players just weren’t disciplined and ‘switched on’ for long enough of the game. For that many errors to occur and for our players to let the opposition capitalise on those mistakes could just say they had a bad day. Against better opposition you would probably just say we weren’t good enough. But against a team we could expect to beat it was close to our worst performance of the season, where anything that could go wrong did.
It’s easy to be critical of players when we lose, but the cold hard facts are that we don’t have the overall class and ability of other teams. And that’s hardly likely to change for now. When we have a day like Sunday, where we aren’t playing to our strengths and sticking to the game plan then players will get found out. TW’s designed the game style to suit our strengths and minimise the weaknesses. It’s all going to come unstuck when players don’t do what they’re asked to do.
Our season can go one of two ways from here. Put this game down to a learning curve and hopefully we can get things back on track from here.
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As Max Merritt sang in the 70's....
"And it's breaking me in two,
Watching you
Slipping away"
That's how I feel about our season after watching what was without doubt our worse effort of the season.
Well I am feeling better now and I am optimistic once more :thumbsup
But against a team we could expect to beat it was close to our worst performance of the season, where anything that could go wrong did.
I suppose that's the thing that angered me the most we were playing a team that I honestly believe we are better than.
It’s easy to be critical of players when we lose, but the cold hard facts are that we don’t have the overall class and ability of other teams. And that’s hardly likely to change for now. When we have a day like Sunday, where we aren’t playing to our strengths and sticking to the game plan then players will get found out. TW’s designed the game style to suit our strengths and minimise the weaknesses. It’s all going to come unstuck when players don’t do what they’re asked to do.
Our season can go one of two ways from here. Put this game down to a learning curve and hopefully we can get things back on track from here.
I hope so. The other thing from my point of view was that we had made some great inroads in our performances but Sunday (as Tezza said) we went back to bad habits and some of those habits we had not seen since 2004. But in reality that comes back to what you are saying TS about players getting found out.
I understand where we are coming from (wooden spoon) but to see basic skills get butchered especially when a bloke is under no pressure I found myself questioning how much we improved. :-\
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"MOMENTUM is everything in football.."
I'm not convinced of that. We had the momentum near the end last week and the Eagles took it away. We had the momentum yesterday when we led by seven points and it was taken away again in an instant.
So...... momentum schmentum .
The Eagles got the momentum going their way through winning the ball. Fair enough as they just had that extra bit of class. On Sunday we had all the momentum then gave it to an average Roos side on a platter. We had kicked the first 2 goals of the third quarter and were running forward again for what should have been our third but instead we gifted them 2 quick goals to put them back in front through stupid turnovers when they never looked like scoring. Ok one mistake can happen but two, three, ... in a row :banghead. Just soul destroying for the rest of the side.
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I hope so. The other thing from my point of view was that we had made some great inroads in our performances but Sunday (as Tezza said) we went back to bad habits and some of those habits we had not seen since 2004. But in reality that comes back to what you are saying TS about players getting found out.
I understand where we are coming from (wooden spoon) but to see basic skills get butchered especially when a bloke is under no pressure I found myself questioning how much we improved. :-\
I think that’s why I haven’t been getting carried away with our wins WP. Lots of things have changed and improved, otherwise we wouldn’t be 5th on the ladder. At the same though, and without wanting to sound like a grim reaper, how much improvement can you get out of a team such as ours?
Especially when you consider that, of the team that played last weekend, 13 of those players are aged 25 or over.
5 are aged between 22 and 24.
4 are 18 to 19 years of age.
How much improvement can be expected of players once they get to around 26/27? At that stage of their career you could expect that most players would either be at their best or have leveled out.
Given our list, I think the best we can hope for is that players stick to the game plan as much as possible, play as a team and make the most of the opportunity they have. If they can develop some confidence, and make better decisions because of that then all the better for them and we can hope to be competitive.
The key factor in all of this seems to be that we don’t have enough players aged between 21 and 24, because the biggest scope for improvement, of any team, generally comes from those players. We only had 5 in the team on the weekend and, apart from Chris Hyde, don’t have many others on our list that I can think of right now.
Nothing's impossible, but I think it’s a big ask to expect a team that is top heavy, in terms of players at the latter stages of their career, and which consists of almost as many 18/19 year olds as players aged between 21 and 24, to significantly improve.
No doubt, that’s partly why TW was given a five year contract, because it’s going to take that long to develop a balanced team/list.
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The key factor in all of this seems to be that we don’t have enough players aged between 21 and 24, because the biggest scope for improvement, of any team, generally comes from those players. We only had 5 in the team on the weekend and, apart from Chris Hyde, don’t have many others on our list that I can think of right now.
Nothing's impossible, but I think it’s a big ask to expect a team that is top heavy, in terms of players at the latter stages of their career, and which consists of almost as many 18/19 year olds as players aged between 21 and 24, to significantly improve.
We are now paying for the disasterous recruiting practices between the years 1997-2002 (excluding 2000) under Geischen and Frawley. Our list as you say TS has a big hole in the early-mid 20's range. I think I mentioned once before that from something like 35 draft selections and 7 rookie promotions from the 97, 98, 99, 01 and 02 drafts we only have 6 players still at Tigerland today. That's a disgrace. However incompetent these two were at coaching pales into insignificance compared to their recruiting records. At least when they got the stuff their poor coaching methods went with them. However we are still left with the mess they made out of our playing list >:(.
It's going to take Terry's 5 years just to get our list back into balance. [that last bit sounds like star wars lol]
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It's especially bad considered two of the players we have in that age group were mature-aged picks (Tuck and Morrison!) :gobdrop
I reckon we acquire some guys in this age group through the draft or trade!
I'd look at going after players like Kosi (stuff trying to spell his name), Brennan (Super athlete, Wallace must cream his pants at the thought of having him) and Polak, but we would probably have to give up something we don't want to to get any of them.
Maybe try and pluck some guy out of the VFL/SANFL/WAFL like we did with Tuck, with late picks of course!
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We are now paying for the disasterous recruiting practices between the years 1997-2002 (excluding 2000) under Geischen and Frawley. Our list as you say TS has a big hole in the early-mid 20's range. I think I mentioned once before that from something like 35 draft selections and 7 rookie promotions from the 97, 98, 99, 01 and 02 drafts we only have 6 players still at Tigerland today. That's a disgrace. However incompetent these two were at coaching pales into insignificance compared to their recruiting records. At least when they got the stuff their poor coaching methods went with them. However we are still left with the mess they made out of our playing list >:(.
As depressing as that all seems, I guess the exciting part is what’s happening now. :thumbsup
As much as I try to be patient though, it turns out that I still hate losing :P, especially the way did last weekend. :banghead
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We are now paying for the disasterous recruiting practices between the years 1997-2002 (excluding 2000) under Geischen and Frawley. Our list as you say TS has a big hole in the early-mid 20's range. I think I mentioned once before that from something like 35 draft selections and 7 rookie promotions from the 97, 98, 99, 01 and 02 drafts we only have 6 players still at Tigerland today. That's a disgrace. However incompetent these two were at coaching pales into insignificance compared to their recruiting records. At least when they got the stuff their poor coaching methods went with them. However we are still left with the mess they made out of our playing list >:(.
As depressing as that all seems, I guess the exciting part is what’s happening now. :thumbsup
As much as I try to be patient though, it turns out that I still hate losing :P, especially the way did last weekend. :banghead
LOL I hate losing too :thumbsup
That's true TS. There'll be a few more times along the journey that will cause us to do this :banghead but as Greg said if he stick to the long-term plan then we'll get there. I'd rather we find out now who's not up to it rather than in a few years time.