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Title: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Rampstar on April 27, 2014, 11:02:30 AM
Just getting in early after Hawthorn thump us today. I want this thread to be here so I can use it to troll some of the apologists on this site in afew hours time!  ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: TigerMonk on April 27, 2014, 11:54:19 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 27, 2014, 11:57:23 AM
Just getting in early after Hawthorn thump us today. I want this thread to be here so I can use it to troll some of the apologists on this site in afew hours time!  ;D
Name the apologists Rampstar.  Go on. Show us some kahunas.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: tigs2011 on April 27, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
 :lol inb4 we beat the Dawks again. You've gone a week too early Ramps. Next week will be ugly.  :shh
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: WA Tiger on April 27, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
IF we win this game and it's a big IF, the only apologists should be the RFC players for dishing up the crap they have dished up since last years finals loss to the Blues!!!!
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Penelope on April 27, 2014, 01:02:33 PM
Just getting in early after Hawthorn thump us today. I want this thread to be here so I can use it to troll some of the apologists on this site in afew hours time!  ;D
Name the apologists Rampstar.  Go on. Show us some kahunas.
to qualify as an apologist all you have to do is disagree with a small number of the countless rants from the whiney old moles.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 27, 2014, 01:03:46 PM
Its all mental Ramps. In Edwards, Newman and Grigg's case its effort and skill. The rest its all mental and if your coaches cant change that then they are not doing a job and are too soft in delivering the messager.
The current coaching message is try your best and if you have a bad day all good you will still keep your spot because we need you to finish somewhere around 8th spot to keep the supporters happy.

We still havent eroded the mental scars of years gone by and that was for all to see in last years elim final.

Hawks will do us over  today. Nothing can be more certain than that.

Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: dwaino on April 27, 2014, 01:45:47 PM
Just getting in early after Hawthorn thump us today. I want this thread to be here so I can use it to troll some of the apologists on this site in afew hours time!  ;D
Name the apologists Rampstar.  Go on. Show us some kahunas.
to qualify as an apologist all you have to do is disagree with a small number of the countless rants from the whiney old moles.

And it's getting rather excruciating to read.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Rampstar on April 27, 2014, 05:30:40 PM
HELLO
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 27, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
The cycle of Skata.  :banghead :banghead :banghead

Tigeritis is alive and well.
Mediocrity for everyone to see.

B.J, Al, and all apologists for mediocrity, this is the rubbish you think doesn't exist or you fail to acknowledge. Wonder what the excuses will be this week? Umpires, injuries, rubbish!!!

We will NEVER be anything until they fix culture full stop.
We are on the merry-go-round that is the Richmond footy club.
Too many that don't work hard enough and poo themselves too often and they think they are good enough when they've achieved nothing.

This club is a disgrace and Dimma is a phony and a liar.

FIX CULTURE FIRST!!!
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Rampstar on April 27, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
So who should we sack first?


the coach
the recruiters or
the fitness people or do we
SACK EM ALL AT ONCE!
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: 1965 on April 27, 2014, 06:28:46 PM

Some of the supporters should go first.

 :cheers
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Rampstar on April 27, 2014, 06:30:34 PM

Some of the supporters should go first.

 :cheers

Name Names big Fella?
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Jackstar is back!!! on April 27, 2014, 06:32:39 PM
Not me
I have been critical for past 30 years
It all the bandwagon critics jumping on board
Please I was here first
Please enter the bandwagon in a civilized manner
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Rampstar on April 27, 2014, 06:35:06 PM
Not me
I have been critical for past 30 years
It all the bandwagon critics jumping on board
Please I was here first
Please enter the bandwagon in a civilized manner

I was in on the act early as well Jacko. Dont forget that. I actually got kicked of the other site coz they couldnt handle my criticisms all those years ago about the club. Truth hurts Jacko and some supporters dont like to see the truth that is infront of them. We are on the road to nowhere. The rebuild has come up well short and we have to start again.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Chuck17 on April 27, 2014, 07:05:16 PM
Needed to happen last week, do it now Tiges
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 27, 2014, 07:43:40 PM
Not me
I have been critical for past 30 years
It all the bandwagon critics jumping on board
Please I was here first
Please enter the bandwagon in a civilized manner

I was in on the act early as well Jacko. Dont forget that. I actually got kicked of the other site coz they couldnt handle my criticisms all those years ago about the club. Truth hurts Jacko and some supporters dont like to see the truth that is infront of them. We are on the road to nowhere. The rebuild has come up well short and we have to start again.

Just shows you up as ordinary blokes. You enjoy our losses to peddle your trolling cause. Sad really. Poo blokes.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Rampstar on April 27, 2014, 07:46:32 PM
Not me
I have been critical for past 30 years
It all the bandwagon critics jumping on board
Please I was here first
Please enter the bandwagon in a civilized manner

I was in on the act early as well Jacko. Dont forget that. I actually got kicked of the other site coz they couldnt handle my criticisms all those years ago about the club. Truth hurts Jacko and some supporters dont like to see the truth that is infront of them. We are on the road to nowhere. The rebuild has come up well short and we have to start again.

Just shows you up as ordinary blokes. You enjoy our losses to peddle your trolling cause. Sad really. Poo blokes.

What you dont understand HRT is that we are not peddling anything. We just call it how we see it. Its not an agenda. We are simply pointing to the ongoing mismanagement and mistakes that occur at the football club. We have been on the same roundabout for 34 years and no one at that club knows how to get them to have success. The recruiting, the fitness and the coaching regimes all have to be looked at. Thats just the reality.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Jackstar is back!!! on April 27, 2014, 07:50:27 PM
Call as I see it
Will be there next week
I wonder if many internet Nuffers on here front next week ?
Already got my tixs
3121 members get access to AFL members next week
Sitting in M17
Come and have a chat and chew the fat
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Gigantor on April 27, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
jack I think I can see you from where I sit...you werent the bloke who ran out on the ground today?
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Jackstar is back!!! on April 27, 2014, 08:00:42 PM
Hard to run onto the ground from front row of level
2
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: dwaino on April 27, 2014, 08:01:57 PM

I wonder if many internet Nuffers on here front next week ?


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Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Gigantor on April 27, 2014, 08:03:06 PM
For a moment we were hoping there would be a mass invasion by supporters and the game would be called off
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: TigerMonk on April 27, 2014, 08:03:20 PM
Not me
I have been critical for past 30 years
It all the bandwagon critics jumping on board
Please I was here first
Please enter the bandwagon in a civilized manner

I was in on the act early as well Jacko. Dont forget that. I actually got kicked of the other site coz they couldnt handle my criticisms all those years ago about the club. Truth hurts Jacko and some supporters dont like to see the truth that is infront of them. We are on the road to nowhere. The rebuild has come up well short and we have to start again.

funny l got axe from a few myself  ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Chuck17 on April 27, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
For a moment we were hoping there would be a mass invasion by supporters and the game would be called off

G you have just hit on the Plan B for next week.

The club and players won't do it so it is up to us supporters.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Gigantor on April 27, 2014, 08:11:29 PM
Actually chuck you me and few others should offer to play.reckon we might show a bit more than what they are currently.As a mate of mine mentioned Richmond central in D Amos would have put up a better display
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Chuck17 on April 27, 2014, 08:12:48 PM
Actually chuck you me and few others should offer to play.reckon we might show a bit more than what they are currently.As a might of mine mentioned Richmond central in D Amos would have put up a better display

Only if the opposition could put on 20 kilos and 20 years
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 27, 2014, 08:13:49 PM
Actually chuck you me and few others should offer to play.reckon we might show a bit more than what they are currently.As a might of mine mentioned Richmond central in D Amos would have put up a better display

Only if the opposition could put on 20 kilos and 20 years
Need them to put on 40 years for me….. :(
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: harry bosch on April 27, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Hopefully Francis Jacksons days are numbered..
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 27, 2014, 08:15:25 PM
Hopefully Francis Jacksons days are numbered..
Is he sick?
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 27, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
Yeah real ordinary blokes cause we front up week after week and open our wallets year after year. Real ordinary

Facts are we are critical of the same old issues year after year, but unlike some I am yet to call for hardwick head. Think we are 12 months short of that.

I fear this is heading into a Spud type organisation and it's going to be hard to dig ourselves out of it

Few guns, few B graders. Rest D

We have royally screwed this lost up with monkey ball

Losing Maric and having to resort to Angus graham was the clubs fault, No one else's fault

Hearing his interview today suggested he was run into the ground

Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 27, 2014, 08:18:25 PM
Hopefully Francis Jacksons days are numbered..
Is he sick?

His only  illness is blindness having not found us any real talent from pick 20

He shouldn't been sacked with Wallett

Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 27, 2014, 08:19:48 PM
Hopefully Francis Jacksons days are numbered..
Is he sick?

His only  illness is blindness having not found us any real talent from pick 20

He shouldn't been sacked with Wallett
I think his days are numbered.  Didn't we bring in that guy from Geelong that then left Carlton?
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Diocletian on April 27, 2014, 08:42:58 PM
Get 'em back to the sand dunes!
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 27, 2014, 10:32:38 PM
First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 27, 2014, 11:08:44 PM

Some of the supporters should go first.

 :cheers
Apologist for mediocrity.  :clapping
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Judge Roughneck on April 27, 2014, 11:09:05 PM
Get Eva the chelsea doc

 https://www.google.com.au/search?q=eva+chelsea&client=safari&hl=en-gb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=dgFdU4LeJIqziQeHwYHoAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672&dpr=2
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 27, 2014, 11:11:16 PM
Get Eva the chelsea doc

 https://www.google.com.au/search?q=eva+chelsea&client=safari&hl=en-gb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=dgFdU4LeJIqziQeHwYHoAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672&dpr=2
At least she'd get the blood moving in the lower half of the body……..
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: mightytiges on April 27, 2014, 11:44:55 PM
Football dept. needs a Geelong 2006-type review from top to bottom. Not surprised by the final margin today but what has been dished up this year is unacceptable and inexcusable from what is meant to be a professional football team. Add to that kicking 3 goals to half-time, 4 to 3/4 time and 7 all up will turn people, sponsors and tv execs off us in a hurry. We've regressed back to the worst days on-field over the past three decades.

Fitness staff are first off the rank for mine. We just don't look fit and look underdone despite claims by the the fitness coach last year that we were ramping up his program to 100% this preseason from 80% last preseason.  Add to that questions need to be asked of whoever makes medical/injury assessments. Ivan might have been partly to blame but even so leaving a known injury to the start of this season to be operated on is the height of stupidity. 

VFL coach, assistant and development coaches are next. New voices and new ideas are needed especially forward of centre. New coaches (I'm not talking about Dimma) who demand the players' respect and are listened to. The right strong culture of what is and isn't tolerated should exist across both VFL and AFL levels.

Recruiting philosophy regarding experienced rookies has clearly not worked. The Club can't complain about injuries when they recruited "ready-made" rookies for the case when injuries strike. I'm not talking about today against a top side but it didn't work against the Bulldogs either which are the games these experienced rookies were meant to cover for until we get a better players back. So as WP said that's the responsibility of Blair Hartley.

Finally, the playing list badly needs a fresh injection of new/young elite end talent starting with Lennon and, if we can somehow get him off the rookie list, Miles. At least one positive being near the bottom is an early first pick (unless we start winning meaningless games towards the end of the year again  ::) ). Hopefully we can find a quality free agent as well to bring into the team next year. I'd expect Newy, Kingy, Foley, Big O to retire. If Titch as a free agent wants to leave then let him and hopefully this time we'll get a compo pick unlike we did for Matty White  ::). The likes of Batch, Dea, Helbig, O'Hanlon, Az.Edwards traded/delisted along with rookies Darrou, Banfield, Williams. I can think of more but that's a start.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: DCrane on April 28, 2014, 12:00:05 AM
Good post mt, agree 100%
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Diocletian on April 28, 2014, 02:21:09 AM
All the people who have been naming Darrou in their delistings can't possibly have watched him play for more than 5 minutes. 
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 28, 2014, 02:36:57 AM
Football dept. needs a Geelong 2006-type review from top to bottom. Not surprised by the final margin today but what has been dished up this year is unacceptable and inexcusable from what is meant to be a professional football team. Add to that kicking 3 goals to half-time, 4 to 3/4 time and 7 all up will turn people, sponsors and tv execs off us in a hurry. We've regressed back to the worst days on-field over the past three decades.

Fitness staff are first off the rank for mine. We just don't look fit and look underdone despite claims by the the fitness coach last year that we were ramping up his program to 100% this preseason from 80% last preseason.  Add to that questions need to be asked of whoever makes medical/injury assessments. Ivan might have been partly to blame but even so leaving a known injury to the start of this season to be operated on is the height of stupidity. 

VFL coach, assistant and development coaches are next. New voices and new ideas are needed especially forward of centre. New coaches (I'm not talking about Dimma) who demand the players' respect and are listened to. The right strong culture of what is and isn't tolerated should exist across both VFL and AFL levels.

Recruiting philosophy regarding experienced rookies has clearly not worked. The Club can't complain about injuries when they recruited "ready-made" rookies for the case when injuries strike. I'm not talking about today against a top side but it didn't work against the Bulldogs either which are the games these experienced rookies were meant to cover for until we get a better players back. So as WP said that's the responsibility of Blair Hartley.

Finally, the playing list badly needs a fresh injection of new/young elite end talent starting with Lennon and, if we can somehow get him off the rookie list, Miles. At least one positive being near the bottom is an early first pick (unless we starting winning meaningless games towards the end of the year again  ::) ). Hopefully we can find a quality free agent as well to bring into the team next year. I'd expect Newy, Kingy, Foley, Big O to retire. If Titch as a free agent wants to leave then let him and hopefully this time we'll get a compo pick unlike we did for Matty White  ::). The likes of Batch, Dea, Helbig, O'Hanlon, Az.Edwards traded/delisted along with rookies Darrou, Banfield, Williams. I can think of more but that's a start.
Great post M. T.

But don't you seriously think there is a culture issue.
We've all seen this cycle before, how can culture not be an issue at Richmond.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: tigs2011 on April 28, 2014, 02:43:18 AM
First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door
He's the one who was laughing at Hawthorn when he sold them a "washed up" Burgoyne.  :lol
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: tigs2011 on April 28, 2014, 02:44:03 AM
All the people who have been naming Darrou in their delistings can't possibly have watched him play for more than 5 minutes.
Neither has Dimma probably, hence he'll be delisted without a game.
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Diocletian on April 28, 2014, 03:31:54 AM
All the people who have been naming Darrou in their delistings can't possibly have watched him play for more than 5 minutes.
Neither has Dimma probably, hence he'll be delisted without a game.

Sad but probably true. No doubt we'll rookie another reject from a bottom 4 club in his place for "experienced depth in an important area" but who'll be immediately upgraded and become a first team regular after an "impressive" performance in the hit and giggle pre-season. Because an "experienced" player who played 20-odd games for Melbourne or Brisbane over 4 years is a much safer bet than some kid who gets named in the bests nearly every week in the VFL despite playing in a backline that sees the ball coming in every 90 seconds and is regularly on a hiding to nothing.

Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Jackstar is back!!! on April 28, 2014, 05:42:21 AM
First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door

Knew Blair when he was editing videos at Essendon back 12-15 years ago
Amazing he has got this far
AFL= boys club
Title: Re: Recruiting, Fitness and Coaching Changes Needed Now!
Post by: Rampstar on April 28, 2014, 11:52:04 AM
First bloke I'd get rid of os Blair Hartley, he is ultimately responsible for list management

He is the one who recommends which type of player we should draft.

He is the one who recommends who we should target in Free agency

He is the one who ranks and rates those on our list and recommends who we should keep

As I said he'd be the first one I'd be showing the door

You cant sack Hartley he is a list management messiah who gave us Grigg and Houli and co. lol. Have to say I agree with you, Hartley has failed to live up to expectations. Anyone can go and get rejects from other clubs, how about him and the recruiting team actually go earn there money by bringing in some A graders instead of the hacks they are bringing in to justify their positions of employment.